Door Bumper Clear - 154 - Chris Rice: Too Smart for the Roof

Episode Date: October 8, 2019

Kaulig Racing President Chris Rice joins the gang to discuss his racing career, Kaulig’s origins and the 2020 rule changes. Then after Dover, they breakdown Joey Logano racing multiple laps down, Denny Hamlin’s comments about Logano, the difficulty of passing on Sunday, and Kyle Larson breaking his winless streak. Now headed to Talladega, the two spotters on the outside of the playoff cutoff line discuss their nerves, the importance of teamwork and the need to execute on Sunday.  Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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app or go to anchor.fm. to get started. That's an C-H-O-R.fm.fm. to get started. Welcome to Doorbomper. clear, I'm Hannah Newhouse filling in for Casey Boat this week. We have Chris Rice from Colligan in the House, and he'll join to Brett and T.J. to discuss everything from Dover and before Talladega, including Denny Hamlin's comments about Joey

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Bring home. Three lights. Go ahead. Go ahead to the line. Door. Bumper. clear. Hey, everybody.

I'm TG Majors. It's part of the 22 cup car. And side kick here. Brett Griffin, Spotter for Clint Boyer. Last weekend, had a weekend off in Xfinity series. And we've got probably the most diverse guest we've ever had on our show today. We've had some drivers. We've had some media folks.

We've had some NASCAR industry people. But we've never had a guy that's been a mechanic, a shot guy, a spotter, a crew chief. And now president of Colleg Racing, Chris Rice is in the house. What would it be said, holla? Hallam. Well, thanks. I'm glad to be here. It's pretty awesome to walk into a place like this and actually be with someone famous like Hannah, sitting here beside us.

Wow, I appreciate that. Thank you. You don't get to sit beside many people that's famous like her. No. I saw her at Martinsville. I watched the broadcast. Saw you. The late model show.

Yeah. Yeah. That was a long evening. The funniest thing of the weekend for me on Twitter was when Rodney Chilbert. said he couldn't afford fast. He said he couldn't afford to Marsville late model race. It's free. Homeboy lives on the lake, got a freaking $200,000 a weightboard boat.

I know. But he's saying he can't afford a freaking web of nard or whatever hell you want to call it. That's free. Yeah. Come on, Rodney. I agree. Don't give me that. I'm too cheap crap.

Come on, man. I have a funny story about Hannah. We're sitting on the plane and I got it watching because, you know, my dad builds late models, which Josh Barry, I mean, just killed. everybody there. I did. And everybody's like, we're talking about the MRN deal, and then Hannah comes on. They go, hey, is that that girl from Bristol?

Is that the same, Hannah? Still has a job somehow. I guess so. Somehow. Speaking of your dad, your dad's been building late models my whole life. Your mom still works at South Boston Speedway. I mean, you literally were born into a racing family. Oh, absolutely.

I mean, everything I remember is racing, right? Everybody says, how long you've been in racing? I've been racing forever. You know, with Elliot Sadler, once we started getting. our name going, he put us on the map with A&E race cars. So he was the first guy to really come in and be successful in your dad's cars. Yeah, absolutely. Won so many races.

You know, we won in 94 with them, but really won a lot of races in 95. And he was the guy that kind of put myself A&E race cars, you know, everybody on the map like back in the day. So, I mean, just we raced against Dale Jr. And became friends with all of them. Mike Dillon, you know, we raced against a lot of people that year. And we beat them. So my dad's still doing it.

I would not be surprised if he doesn't retire in the next six months, but he's still doing it, still going strong. My mom's still the general manager South Boston Speedway now that Pocono owns, which, uh, but all we know is racing, right? Like, that's all we've, we've known all our entire life. So,

so Elliot was 19 driving. How old were you, crew chief? I was 20. You were one year older than that crew chief and beating all those guys. Yeah, we had no idea what he was doing. So you're, is it Kathy? Yeah, Kathy's my mom. I had no idea.

I remember we, we ran up there quite a bit. Um, that's cool. Yeah, I remember her well. I love going to South Boston now. It's one of my favorite racetracks to go to. She's always running the show up there. Yeah. I facetamed her as I got on the plane and she was actually sitting in a suite at Martinsville watching the late mile race. First time she's done that in ever, forever. She was like, I'm just getting too cold to sit outside and they got her in a suite. But now she, she's running for a long time. You know, Nick Adowski now kind of is the owner of that deal, even though it's Pocono and he loves her. Uh, she does a great job. even though she's my mom,

but everybody talks about how great they do, right? I remember seeing her at the track, and she's always super nice and everything. It's always loved going there. So you go through the late model deal. What's your first job in NASCAR at the touring series level? I was a shot guy. Well, no, I was a spotter for Hermie Sadler back in, shoot,

well, no. Ooh, I got back all the way up Jeff Burton in 1989. I wasn't even old enough to get in the garage. I was 14 years old. I was a gas guy and the tire guy. on Jeff Burton's Exfinity car then, well, it was Bush car back then. And my dad was the crew chief.

So we, you know, I was the gas guy, 14 years old, but I looked like I was 19. He was already a big boy. Yeah, he was supposed to be 16, but I was 14. They lied about my age. They didn't ask you for your Social Security number. Right. I just lied about it.

So my 15th birthday was so funny. My mom wanted to get me a Darrell Waltrip signed autograph card. And she had him put on it, you know, happy 15th birthday to Chris. and he's like, doesn't he like gas the car? And all the officials like, doesn't he gas the car? Yep, he's 15. She sold you out.

She sold me out, didn't even realize it. Oh, that's awesome. Yeah. So I got to tell this story. Chris and I later, the last time you spotted full-time and cut would have been buckshot. Yes. Yeah. So we're on the roof and Dover, T.J.

And he and I are standing up there. And I was like, hey, Chris, I don't you do something right quick. I don't you look around up here. He starts looking around. I was like, now I want you to look down there at Pitt Road. He looks down there at Pitt Road. I said, all the smart people are on pit road. What the hell are you doing up here?

You got to get your shit together and get off this roof and get down there where you belong. Then you went on really to blow up, not that you aren't already being successful. That was probably when you climbed the ladder to get up there too. It was. And I was way too fat to be climbing that ladder. You know, it's a struggle. That thing had like a cage in it. It was a struggle for me.

It was. Hold my bag. Yeah, that's what it was. After the race, we all trying to slide down and hurry up and get to the cars. But that's when I remember you literally, you were like done spotting that year. You went inside. You never came back out. And, I mean, you've obviously blown up.

The Collie thing, though, obviously I've been working with you there this year with it. Man, how does Matt Collie fall in love with racing? How did you get intertwined with him? Well, it goes all the way to back to Blake Cook, which is, you know, Dale Jr.'s part of Blake Cook stuff, you know, with filter time. But it goes back to him kind of doing something that Blake done. He would take somebody else's ride and just go drive it. And so J.J. Yale was driving. driving the 32 cup car, and it was a Coke 600, and JJ got the BK ride.

And he just left those guys the week of the race. So Blake fit in JJ's suit, and he went to race, Lee Filter. They had called him on the phone. He was sitting in his office, said, hey, man, it'd be $30,000. You want to be on our car? He's like, yeah, but we need uniforms, we need this. So they got uniforms. He brought about 12 people down, and they had a blast.

They ran dead last that entire race. Blake tells his story, great. And then he just fell in love with it. Then he was like, well, he was at TriStar, and he was thinking about buying into TriStar, because he's an entrepreneur. He was thinking about doing it, and he was like, you know what, I ain't going to buy into another team. I'll just start my own team. They met with me. I want to say it was like in May.

What were you doing at time? Kenny Wallace stuff? No, I was at NTS. Okay. I went to NTS, get closer to the home up at Kevin Harvick's old building. Is that Brennan? Brennan. Newberry.

The Newberry family, the Newberry family, you know, hated to see them leave the sport. But I was up there, and I knew they were leaving the sport. Brendan was getting out, you know, it was just Daniel Hemrick was driving. I knew it was in the era for NTS. And I just was honest with Matt. I went to him and said, hey, man, it's going to cost you this much. But my first question is, why do you want to get in racing? And from that day forward, he tells you that that's what I said to him.

I was like, why do you want to get in racing? He told me, you know, he basically said it's really cool to be in the NASCAR sport. So he was like, they called me back about three weeks later. That's too much money. I really don't want to do it. And I was like, okay, no problem. That's exactly way I was. he called me, I want to say it was the end of October.

And he said, hey, you still interested in starting a race team? This is 2015? This was 2015. And I said, well, it's October and you want to start a race team. He's like, yeah. I'm like, yeah, let's do it. So then you don't know if somebody like that is serious, right? So I weighed our options.

I went and talked to Gibbs. I talked to RCR, you know, and I looked around for alliances because I knew that was the only way we could even just contend, right? Like to contend with a big team. I knew that was what we had to do. So picked the RCR deal because they were on top of the world then. 2015, man, they won so many races. They were hauling the mail.

So, and they agreed to do an Xfinity alliance without ever doing it. And I was like, okay, they said, well, how many cars you want? I told them. And I said, okay, we need $100,000, you know, to put down on it. Yeah, start. So I called Matt and said, hey, man, I need $100,000. He said, okay, how you need it? I said, I needed it in a cashier's check and I need to take it to Homestead.

The next day was sitting on my doorstep. So he was serious. He was serious. And he showed that up front that he was serious to be able to go and let's go race because it costs a lot of money to race. Especially to start up. Oh, yeah. Startup's crazy cost. And, you know, we almost, if they were to call you illegal with Elliott Saddle at Phoenix like they should have with the loose lug nuts, don't get me started on that.

Blake Cook would have made it to the final four. Why you pointed me out? It was spot. Well, no, you left the lug nuts. loose. Blake Cookland made her final four. I was already

back in a hotel. So we had a great year and it's just blown up, you know, had Truex in a car last year, Ron Truex, and this year with Justin Haley. I mean, it's just,

we've continued to get better. Our average finish is like 9.5 with Justin Haley. You know, last year was 11.9. The year before that, it was like 15th. So we're just regular going up and now starting a second team. Why did you start the second team?

So I look at a guy. guy like Matt, and I go, man, he's coming in, he's spending his own money, he's got this company, it's successful. Why in the world would he want to spend more money to start a second team? Trophy hunt. It's right like that right there. Trophies. Trophy hunt, he wanted to win some trophies. And we were one of the fastest Xfinity teams, I think, along with Junior Motorsports, to win a trophy, right? Right. We're the fastest single car team without a cup affiliation.

We do have alliance, but we, without a cup affiliation. And it was just trophy hunt, man. You know, put good guys in the cars to make sure that the 11 has the best car that it can have, you know, kind of degrade ourselves. Like, if we can't go win with A.J. Omendinger in a car, like, something's wrong without race cars, right? Right. I know this, and our team knows this. So, AJ showed that this year. We went through a bunch of road course races where we sucked. I mean, even though we finished third, we sucked.

Like, winning is the only thing we can do. And, you know, then you put Ross Chastain in it when you go to a place like a mile and a half. And we run like six, we suck. You know what I mean? Like, so we got to, that's why we've done it, to win trophies and to grade our team. To help the 11. It's more info coming in, too. I mean, it's just, like you said, you get a lot more, you get a lot more knowledge every week, double the knowledge every week.

If I had looked at TJ on the first podcast a year and I said, hey, let's make a bet. Colleg Racing will have more wins in junior motorsports when we get to October. There's no way anybody would have took that bet. I mean, that's a huge, huge feather in your cap to be doing things that big organizations aren't doing right now. It's not easy to win these, right? I mean, Justin Algar, let's go ahead and lay it out there. Justin Algar is one of the best Xfinity drivers ever been. And it's tough for him to pass and beat somebody these days. You know, I mean, as soon as the double zero got the lead at Dover, like Justin couldn't get back

behind him. You know, and he was very, I was scanning Justin, very frustrated with the pit crew because the pit crew kind of got him behind. He led that whole race, got him behind. But to say we won, and not really just won, I felt like we dominated Daytona, and we dominated the third stage at the Roval. So to do that and to have more wins than somebody like Junior Motorsports, yes, it's huge. It's big deal. It's what that does for our race team is I can't even tell you what it does for a race team like us. So you got one team full-time.

The plan is for Haley to come back next year, right? Yep. He's already signed up for a second year. He'll be back next year to run for a championship. You know, we got kicked out this week. It is what it is. You had to go win. We didn't win, and that's –

Got close. Got close. We've done what we needed to do. Restar goes your way there at the end, man. you had a chance. Had a shot. So the second car next year, part-time, full-time, ideally, what would you want to do with that one? We'd love to have it full-time.

You know, I've been working really hard on a second deal to run it full-time. And obviously, that's up to Matt because Matt these days to find a full-time sponsor is really tough. Right. But a lot of it's up to Matt, and if we can do that, but that's what our goal is and to have a third car, to be able to put the A.J. Omendingers in, you know, somebody to come to the speedways. We want to have full race cars at all the speedways. Right. And it's feasible because Matt says more you put out there at a speedway,

the better chance you got. It's true. He's 100% right. My favorite part about Matt Collig is, man, and I'm not taking a shot at the ownership in the cup level. But with the exception of Chip Ganassi, Tony Stewart, Gene Haas, the majority of our cup owners are really, really, really getting on beyond their glory years. You know what I mean?

I mean, you're talking about owners in their 70s and 80s. You look at a guy like Matt, man, he's young, he's got a lot of enthusiasm. He's really investing in the sport. Like, he's the kind of guy that you want to keep excited, keep him around here. Yeah, absolutely. I sat down with Richard Chiris at Richmond, and you guys will like this story. And he says, yep, tomorrow's my birthday. I said, how old are you going to be Richard?

He says, I don't know when I was born. Can't you Google that? What? He said, if you don't know when you were born, you don't know how old you were. That's true story. Keep going. What age is that, do you start saying that? Yeah.

I don't know. Brent's age, 44. Yeah, 44 you just give up. I don't know when I was. I was born. Okay. All right. Awesome. Well, man, we appreciate you having you on. I mean, I think you bring a lot to the table from a guest perspective for us as far as the technical side of the sport because DJ and I certainly don't know all the ends and outs of these race cars like you do. So it'll be fun to see what you can bring to the table here. Don't hold anything back

and don't suck. Okay. We're definitely not going to suck and we probably will probably not going to be a doucheback. Thank you. But that's okay. Oh boy Dover I was not there But you guys were You definitely were partially There his car race So he was there

Yep yep yeah So how was Dover for you guys Hold on a second Dover you consider What Clint Boyer did the other day racing Well he took the green So he had to have a spotter on the roof So I'm not saying anything about Clint's racing

I'm talking about Brett had to be there I was there I worked for two hours on Friday I was off all day Saturday, and then I worked Sunday. I had top 10, and I rode around at a parade that was going 170 miles an hour. Fastest parade on earth. That's one way to put it, Jason.

That may be the smartest thing you ever said on this show. Fastest parade on earth. It's better than his football therapy. So I heard them before the race, Chris. They said, man, 1969, Richard Petty won a race here by seven laps. And I was like, well, that had to be real fun to watch. About 20 laps in, I was like, man, that whole seven lap thing sounds pretty exciting right now. It was, and I think this is somewhere in here, but man, it was...

That was 20 laps in? It was a battle. I mean, wherever you settled after the restart, man, it just seemed like you were literally stuck. That was four laps where I came back out. Yeah, I mean, yeah, did you even make it? No, you didn't even make. Did you make the green? No, man, we were just moving the playoff cars to their starting positions.

So with what broke, Chris, if you don't have an impound race, right? You go out and you qualify, and instead of just being able to make minor adjustments to get it race ready, if you hand that race car back to the team. Do they find what broke for TJ or no? No, no, no, no. What broke on his car, and I kind of went back and watched it last night when I realized we were going to talk about that stuff, we broke one with Justin Haley at Charlotte qualifying.

He made the whole qualifying lap. It's more axles have broken this year than I've known in a long time. And I don't know if it's a bad run of metal, because we all kind of run the same axles. Nobody, you don't make your own axles. No, nobody makes your own axles. and I mean, probably everybody in a garage runs too. Maybe it's the same people to build those truck motors for that last truck race.

Oh, yeah. Ooh. Yeah. Got you, Elmore. Yeah, I don't. But you said, though, you don't build your own. It's just a bad batch. It's very rare to have two cars have axles.

You know, I think Nyan had an axle problem too, right? Yes. No, no, no, they blew a motor. Yeah, but he flung his axle out. His axle was on the apron. Oh, okay. I didn't know that. Yeah, I'm guessing.

That's not to do with the axle. That's to do with the axle. That's to do with the motor. with the guy tightening the axle cap? That didn't happen. I thought it was your axle on apron. I just didn't see it. Yeah, that's what they were talking about

on the TV broadcast. They went back and they showed both sides of the nine car, and the nine car still had the cap on both sides, and they said that he was just having motor issues, and he had the 19 reported. I think it was a 77. It might have been a 77.

Yeah, it could have been a seven. It was Saranson. Okay. We didn't fling ours out. Yeah, we'll see, you're right, it's 77. Then when the nine blew up, they immediately threw the caution. Yeah.

What's fling? Fling? Just fling it? Fling it out? Fling it out? Flung it out. He flung it out. He flung it out.

Yeah. All right, Hannah, let's kick it. Oh, boy. All right. Spot on, spot off. Spot on, spot off. He said spot off on the foot. Not long you like it.

Spot off, you don't like it, and you say why either way. All right, first topic here. Denny Hamlin's comments on Joey Legano being in the way. Denny Hamlin said it has proven most of these guys would get out of the way and let those leaders race for the end of the stage at that time. I probably shouldn't call it. Joe an idiot. He's not an idiot. That's just a bad choice to say that he's fighting for something. He's not fighting for anything. He just needs to run around the racetrack, stay in one lane,

and maybe the high lane because nobody's running up there. Get the laps over with, get the race over with, go home and work on it at Talladega and try to win that race. Take up for your boy, TJ. I can't wait to hear this. Spot on, spot off. You know, I understand what Denny's saying, and nobody likes to be stuck in a track like that, but he's wrong with you're not racing for anything. You're racing for every point you can get at this point. You know where we're at in the points? We're tied with William Byron,

and he's got the position on us because he's got a better finish. You take, what would you do for a point right now? You know what I mean? You do a lot. Yeah, but I mean... The argument was made that you never made up a point. You never really had an opportunity to make up a point,

which you don't know, because you don't know who's going to fall out of race. No, we made up a lot of points. We got within two laps. So what happened in this stage thing that made him mad? Because I wasn't looking. I was further back. We were riding behind the 21, just trying to maintain, just trying to maintain, just trying to keep pace. We had a fast car.

Our car was fast. But we weren't trying to just blow by everybody. We were waiting for people to have serious handling issues and get real loose or something. And if we were better, we'd go by them and drive away, which we did the entire time. But it's different, you know, we didn't move around the racetrack, looking to block them. We're just riding every single lane and everyone else was driving. The 19 moves up and drives by. everybody, drives by us on the outside, drives by the 11 on the outside.

But at that point, we're trying, we're looking at cars that are going to finish, you know how many times we caught them cars, about 54 in them guys? How many times, when we caught them a lot, we got within, I think we got within two laps of that guy. And that's another 30 laughs. We were probably going to, that's point, you know what I mean? So we're fighting every lap. And I will say this, we didn't move around in front of somebody.

The guys were raised for Lucky Dog. We pulled up out of the way, let them guys go. Why is Denny mad at you? Because he didn't move up the racetrack, I guess, and pass us, and he wanted us to move out of the way. We were trying to, that's different. We weren't going to block him, but that's a lap to us,

and that's possibly a caution comes out. That puts us the hole a little bit bigger to the next car for us. On restarts, we were starting in the back a lot. And we don't, like, every time, I'm telling you, we let the 24, the 41, the 10. Well, there was one restart where I was 13th. and you were 24 laps down and you were on my outside

and you drove by me and you drove by another Lee lap car and I literally am thinking, what in the fuck is he doing? We went. So then you came down there and you're like, all right, we're not going to race and you moved out of the way. We drove right by and then you just chilled out behind us, which made sense. But I mean, literally, at that point in the race,

I was thinking what were you doing? So I can't imagine me at Denny going to win a state. Did Denny lose the stage? He got passed. He didn't move up. Well, I mean, I'll say this, though. We caught the 95. We caught the 95 at Vegas.

95 running the bottom. We're running the top. 95 runs the top, 95 runs the bottom the next time in three and four. And then he runs the middle. We get passed by the 19. 19 passes the 95. Let's him back go right before the start, finish line, wins the stage. And we didn't do anything like that.

We were just running the bottom. And we were riding the bottom. The only reason we went on the restart is because we were getting stuck behind all them cars. If you wave all them cars by, the leader's going to get to you a lot quicker. And we knew we could ride behind you guys and maintain right there. So you just go for a lap And then you go and race And you run your race

We let you in the one car go And I went down there and said We're not going past you You have at it But if you watch You go back and watch Every car that gets close to us Within five car lengths of us

We move over for But when you got a line of cars in front of you And we were within We were within what Five lapsed into the stage When the Denny got When he got passed What position were you running?

Maybe 37 But I mean that's a lap Chris what you're think? Well, he answered his own, he answered his own debate here, I think. He said he caught the 95. 95 was going to go one lap down, so he raced him hard to stay on the one lap down side, so he didn't have to take a lucky dog. The problem is, is, I've been on your side. I get what you're saying. You're trying to get every position. The whole problem is, is if you pull up and let one car go, you need to pull up and let everybody go, not just pick or choose. That's where they get

mad, right? Like, so when you see the other day the 20 car let, I don't know, he, he, in the Xfinity series, he was passing people left and right, showing everybody that he had a fast car. Everybody knows he has a fast car. Well, I think where people get upset is, is what you just said. You let the one and the 14 go eventually in the race where he didn't let everybody go. That's, and what I'm saying, the front part of the field, that's where they get, they get mad. I understand you're saying get off the bottom, but I'm telling you, you know yourself. Sometimes your car is so line sensitive, you can't get off the bottom. Oh, yeah, I agree. We let them guys go much later in the race, and it was a whole way different scenario, though, too, was a restart. And then we ran for one lap and then let you guys go. I just think you got to, if Joey is Denny, he's going to be just as mad. Absolutely. He's going to be just as mad, and I don't think it's no harm, no foul. I think what happens is when you're mad like that after a race, you're going to say stuff,

you're going to throw water in EMT's face and you're going to do all kinds of stuff. I would expect, guys, at this point, to race for every point they can get to. You know. Oh, 100%. Yeah. I know. When we come back out, I looked at the thing, and I'm like, okay, well, this car normally finishes. We get a few yellows and some wave-arounds.

We could probably catch three or four of these guys and get them. And to me, at this point, we're tied right now for the last spot. You've got to go for every point you can, you know? And like I said, if anybody goes back and watches it, we were the first, second, third, fourth, fifth, every guy that got to us, and only in the top three really got to us. as soon as you one of them get you, we let them all go. That was the only time we were trying to maintain

and just hung the bottom because there was only like five laps left than the stage too. So we were just trying to ride right there and make it and get a one lap closer. And we got within two laps, I think, of the 54, which would have been huge. In his defense, William Byron done it to Kyle Larson

and the 19 almost caught Kyle Larson right there. William Bauer was going to go two lapsed. Yeah, that was right in front of us. I was watching it. Yeah. Well, we let William, yeah, we let, yeah, I was watching that too. At the end of the race, he started letting people go. What was weird, though, is you literally would watch the leader have over a straightaway lead,

and then you would catch a guy like William Byron, who, if he goes two down, his day is over. I mean, you're dead in the water. It's hard. And because William, and listen to me, he was catching us running a half a second a lap faster than we were. And once he would catch us, he couldn't pass us in the second place guy who was over a straightaway back, over the course of the next 12 laps when all of a sudden run down the leader. And it's like, man, this is the hardest place to pass I've ever seen in my life. Is that the tire, Chris?

No. Well, yes and no, it is a lot of the tire. But when you're going to do high down force, you're going to blow a big hole in the air at a mile racetrack that you're in the gas a lot. You have to lift to be able to pass. I always remember any racetrack that we go to that you lift, you're going to better pass a lot. Yeah, we've said that for four years on here. Yeah, but when you're staying wide open, you can't pass. Our Xfinity cars couldn't pass.

and we have 400 pounds less down force than what they have. We couldn't pass. I talked to Jeff Burton after the race. He would never say it. But I'm sure it was way hard to call that race. All of them races, you know? One thing I like about Xfandy cars is if you do get close up to the guy, you can get him loose. You can.

And the cup cars, you can drive right up to the guy's bumper, and you're in trouble. Jimmy literally was almost touching the two for 10 straight laps. He could not get him to break loose. The only way he did, he drove it in the corner. deep enough and you can watch the front of the race car just bounce and he hit him. Hit him. That's right. And he hit him again and he hit him again.

Yeah. He had, you have to hit him or something. You have to get their car upset because the air doesn't do it anymore like that. Like the Xfini car, the Xfini car is kind of cool because when they do get close enough, you can see the guy just start chasing it up the racetrack because he's losing the air on the back end. So it's, um, you know, I like seeing that, but it's just a tough scenario, though. I promise you, if Denny was in our spot and he's trying to get every point, whoever's

that spot. You know you're going to, you've got to do everything you can right now. If we miss it by one point, we're going to look back and be like, man, maybe we should have tried a little harder to stay on that lap right there or something. I don't know. You always look back at what you could do. And so you've got to race every lap like you're going in these playoffs. Like you've got to get everything you can get right now. A hundred percent, but you got to remember he's a playoff guy trying to put that guy out also. So it's, that's why he's going to say that. So I don't know if, I mean, You want to eliminate the contenders. You want to eliminate him. Exactly. So, I mean, 22, look what he did at Marnesville last year.

And Martin Trex Jr. said he would not win a championship. I think he won the championship. I think he did too. Yeah. Well, that leads us to the next one there with Kyle Bush's statement from May that the rules package sucks and the falled-over race would play out exactly the same way as the spring. Pick somebody who's going first. Yeah.

Go for it then, Brett. I mean, look, the reality of it is his comments are spot on. And the problem is we get better as the year goes. on. So the package that was that the fans watched in the spring, the cup teams are only going to get better and faster and smarter with it between then and the fall, which they did.

So I think that's why you see the drop off. I mean, I truly believe that Dover is a fabulous racetrack. It's really wide. All the grooves typically come in, but for whatever reason with this package, man, it's right. And it was cool yesterday. You know, I've said from day one, I don't think this package, you know, I don't know, man.

It's just, I was frustrated as a spotter yesterday because there wasn't one single thing I could tell Clint to help him pick up positions and we would run down the one car literally 90 times and we didn't pass him once a I finished 10th yesterday I don't remember getting passed once other than when I got lapped and I don't remember passing a car once that's that's hard to believe for a 400 freaking mile race we let you pass one time yeah you don't count you're 25 laps down you know you just you said you said before that you liked cool cooler nighttime temperatures for this package but not of that racetrack. I like, I'll tell you what we didn't see at Dover that we normally see is any tire

issues at all. Dover's one of the, dover's one of the places that I know, and I was watching a few guys start pioneer the high line, and I'm like, oh, that's kind of risky this early, you know, it's pretty green still. I don't know if I'd be up there 25 laps into the race, because that usually leads to some tire trouble, and we didn't have anybody have any right front tire problems or nothing. to me that's we need to have somewhere we need to have some some more fall off i guess some more fall off where you can get in trouble if you run your tires too hard or something like that uh there just wasn't there was no there wasn't enough i mean there was fall off but not like everyone was equal like if i fell off a 10th you fell off a 10th pretty much and it didn't you know

you can't there wasn't enough fall off to pioneer like use them other lanes really effectively they were okay if there was a if there was three or four guys running the bottom right here. The fourth guy could swing up and get a run just because those two guys behind that guy can't get in the gas. They're because of the air. You couldn't move up to make speed. And that's what we need. We need to be able to move up to make speed. That way there's cars that are good on the bottom still, but then you've got the guys that get good up top. And that creates the good race, in my opinion. Yeah, absolutely. And you're right. You have to lift, like we were just talking about, off the gas to be able to pass. And to do that, you have to have

soft tires that are going to be either the right rear is going to be destroyed or the right front it's going to be destroyed because if you don't, you're not going to be able to pass. And we've seen it was not a great race because of that. And I think Kyle Bush was spot on when he said it was going to be another horrible race. That package fits somewhere like Kansas or fit somewhere like that. A mile and a half, it's better. We don't need to run it at Dover. And they're taking their notebook and they're figuring this out,

but we want them to figure it out faster, right? Like we don't want to. Well, I want them to figure it out for the fans that paid $100 to sit and stands yesterday. I want them to figure it out for the fans that invested four hours on their couch yesterday, watching on TV. We had drama playing out, but all the drama was the chase guys to have bad luck. It wasn't the race, and I want that race. That racetrack's too damn good for us to not put on a good race there. Yeah, absolutely. Y'all run full wide at one time and still didn't crash. That's what bothers me. You need to be able to crash when full of you. The cars are too easy to drive.

We said that too. As spotters, you know, five, six years ago, we knew when you got within about a couple car lengths, you were going to get tight. That window is now about five car lengths. You know, You know when your five car lengths back now, you're running out of air already. You used to be able to get within about two. And then if you broke that bubble, you could get the guy loose. You can't break that bubble now. That bubble's way back here. So you can't get even if you get here, like we said with Jimmy, Jimmy was driving all the way to the two, like hitting him, basically.

Yeah, the 41 and 17 off of two are doing everything they could to wreck one another. Still couldn't wreck one another. They were 40 degrees yawed out. Dover used to be a challenging racetrack. because drivers had their hands full. Not saying the guys that have handling issues, but the handling, man, there was so many guys that would wreck. I mean, good guys.

Our top tier guys. And your fast cars will blow right front tires. Your top tier guys were wrecking. They were getting loose. You used to go to turn one in qualifying it over and stand down there on the bottom and watch qualifying there because you knew somebody was probably going back it in there

because that's just Dover, man. It wasn't wide open then. It is now. But, I mean, even, you know, they're still. lifted into the corner but there's so much grit there's down force I mean it's uh uh yeah frustrated a little over there I mean I like good racing yeah no Dover's always one of those racetracks I always say people I like people need to go to yeah

Dover's one of my favorites it's like just a spectacle within itself and the racing yeah it's a challenging track yeah um speaking of that too also after Dover Lagano Chase Elliott and Blaney fall below that playoff cutoff line TJ you can start that one. I mean, spot off for that. I would have, you know, I'm spot off because mechanical issues, I want to race it out. I want to, I want to race against everybody and earn it that way, even though I know this is part of it. Um, you know, I hate it for Chase to have it as well, because that was going to be, we race, we raced, you know, all year in the first part of the playoffs to build the buffer. Luckily, you know, we did that. Now we're, we're, even with the last guy,

we have, you know, we built that buffer for something like this. So, now we have to go out there and our backs of the wall now and we have to go out there and perform now we don't have that buffer now so now you know you kind of got to be on the offensive more and you know talladega is a who knows what's going to happen there luckily there's two races left going if this was the final race man going into this one would be be nerve-wracking for sure see I think after the first round they need to take all the points away you need everybody needs to start at zero me too I Oh, yeah, that's why I agree. I don't think that buffer is fair because here's a deal. Here's a car that ran every single lap, and I'll use Clint Boyer as an example. I've been involved in the indie situation where they had to get in, you know, eight points, whatever it was, that ran every lap and they're still at a deficit because of the bonuses. The bonuses should get you through first round, but I don't think it should do anything I think. Yeah, I don't necessarily disagree with that.

I mean, some of these guys like the 19 and 18 were pretty much locked into homestead almost or locked into the final round just because of the bonus. All I do is got there to be average. It allows them to have whatever new style car they need to take the homestead to where you guys, the 14's got to take that. Not saying that they don't take their best every weekend. What I'm saying is they got to be on their game every single weekend. If they're not, they're going to miss it.

Yeah, I don't, I think I mean, it's a good idea. It's unfortunate when you look at Lugano. Chase Elliott because they fall out so early for mechanical reasons. You know, obviously that's not anything the driver did wrong. Blaney had break issues late in the race. You know, but I see guys like William Byron, some of them speed, man, like it comes down to who's going to execute. And if you can't execute as these rounds go on and on and on, it's going to be harder

and harder to advance. You cannot afford to screw up, especially at a place like Dover where you can't pass because you can't get your lap back. You're racing for the lucky dog. Long green flag runs means the leader's going to lap another car that's ahead of you on the racetrack. So the key now is executing, and when we get to Talladega, it's going to be more on us, the spotters, to execute as much as it ever has been. Obviously, the drivers have to do it too.

But here's the weird thing is, TJ and I both know our guys can go win at Talladega. They've done it before, and they've done it with us spotting for them. But the problem is we can't go back there and chill and be smart because we can't afford to defer all those points that are going to be available in stage one and the points that are available in stage two. we got to go out there and race our asses off for the end of those stages and then obviously the end of the race. Definitely. No, this is, it's going to be nerve wracking. When I've seen the points, this is honestly, when I've seen the points, I said, yes,

as a fan. Because now they're going to race for every stage point that they can race for. I did. As a fan, I was like, yes. And if they reset them to zero, like you said, we'd all be in a pile, not just five of us. Right. Yeah. With a round that Kyle Busch had in round one, there's no reason he.

He should be where he's at in round two. No. It ain't right. No. Yeah. No. And they need to look at that. They do.

If we can get Dale Jr. on that, would appreciate it. Send that right over for the pre-race show. Get that going. Kyle Larson wins first time, or in Richmond, since 2017. Advances to round of eight for the first time. And loved Caitlin Larson shotguning a tall boy in Victory Lane. Yeah.

I was like, did anyone else see that? And I was watching it. And then after the fact they caught it and they went back and included in it. I was like, You go, girl. I've shot gunned to beer with her before. Yeah. And a tall boy at that, I mean, she just let her rip.

She's fun, man. And this is off topic. But her and Laura Boy are two of my favorites because they're real. You don't see them on some fake TV show with fake meetings, with fake drivers. That's not fake? Okay. All right. Samantha Bush didn't even have an office at KBM.

They had to go and run the fan club girl out there to make her an office. She's an executive. Okay. So my point is this is Brad Sweet Sweet. sister. We all know who Brad Sweet is. She is fun, man. She's just a fun red net girl. And I love people like that. Chris Rice loves people like that. I love that. What I love more about it, she beat that guy so bad. J.P. I would be embarrassed. I would be totally embarrassed. He should be embarrassed. I'm spot off on this thing because we've hyped up Kyle Larson. We've hyped

up. I said he was the show on this show two years ago, how great he was. And for him to just now be advancing to the round of eight and just now be winning after 75 races. He's got to get it together, man. This guy is supposed to be one of the new guys to carry the sport into the next decade, into the next generation of fan, and he can't do that if he's not winning races. Chase Elliott has now got himself winning races. This is the other guy we need to win races. Well, it's back to grading your car.

You put, you know, you put the Bush kid in it, an older man in it, it still don't win. So I can't, I'm spot on. Like, because I think Kyle Larson was doing what his car would allow him to do. He was actually pushing over the limit. They wrecked 13 times this year. Ooh. Think about that.

They wrecked 13 times this year. Kyle Larson's not going to wreck a car. He's a dirt racer. So they're wrecking because they either, one, they're trying stuff that's making him wreck, right? Or two, Kyle's driving too hard. He's trying too hard. And you know yourself, when you have a great race car, it's easy to drive. But when you have a pretty bad race car, you're going to wreck.

Right. Yeah. I'm spot on. That's one of his tracks, man. That's one of the tracks you look at and say Kyle Larson's going to be fast there. So, you know, good for him. He got it done. Wish we could have contended with him, but we'll never know that. But can, you know, spot off for him. You did when you were blocking the 11. Well, we didn't, we didn't get near the 42. Stage two, you almost beat him. He actually did beat him. We may have. We did be in front of him. We did finish in front of him. I think he's getting mad. No, I don't get mad.

We're trying for every point we can, man. Gotta get it. Oh, boy. 2020 rules, or cup rules package and new rules announced, including 150 wind tunnel testing hours per organization, 10 road crew positions and three organization positions, which was cut from 12 and 4, no arrow package changes and 12 certified chassis at any one time per car number

and 10 unique chassis designs per organization. Chris, Chris, Chris, tell us all. about to say. Do you know what that means? Tell us what all that means. All right, so I'm going, I'm going to go through the list here. I'm not for this 150 hours wind tunnel test an hour. I mean, because it doesn't matter, because, listen, Stuart Haas has a complete wind tunnel that they built right beside the Concord Airport that is, I mean, now what are you going to do with all those hours, right? So you still are going to, you're still going to work on scale model stuff. You're going to go to Indy and work on your little cars. Like, we got a way around that, right? So that doesn't,

The only thing that does is the guy that's buying some wind tunnel time, he's like, oh, I'm not going to buy none. But to hurt Stuart Haas or to hurt Hendrick, I'm telling you right now, they're already figuring out how to build a scale model. And what I mean by that, they'll build a car that's just like this one's sitting in front of us, identical to what you're going to race and take it to a little small wind tunnel. I thought that, I thought they said that included that. How are they going to find out? Yeah, I don't know. If me and T.J. roll in with our toy car.

Yeah, so I was at Bill Davis when we were switching from Dodge. to Toyota and that that Toyota truck that we bought that come loose in the the wind tunnel. Like they didn't know about that. They had no idea that we took a Toyota truck. If it hadn't to come loose and completely destroyed the wind tunnel. One of the idiot. Because they forgot to strap it down, dodge, or nobody would have known that we took a car to that wind tunnel. Nobody.

So, wait a minute. What did it look like or sound like when that had? Were you there? Oh, yeah. What did that sound like? Oh, it was awful. It was awful. Like, I mean, it completely, if you remember when Andy Houston drove the Arrington, was it Arrington?

How did you say that? Yeah. Was it Arrington? It wasn't Arrington, but it was something like that. Yeah. We bought the truck straight from Homestead and went, took it to the wind tunnel to build trucks. That's what Bill Davison then was in, you know, and it was called Area 52. That's what we called the place.

And I was running the Xfinity program back in the Bush program, and that, they left it loose. Like, and it, it come loose, went into the fan to destroy it. It had motor in it, it still had to rubber on it from homestead. It completely destroyed. That's like some final destination stuff right there. Here's the thing. Like the 150-hour wind tunnel, it is what it is. If that's saving a company like Penske money, all they're going to do is take that money.

I mean, if you look at testing, they did away with testing. Well, what do we do? We dumped all our money into simulation. We're still going to spend, these big teams are still going to spend the money. And to me, some of these things just make the little teams get further and further behind. Oh, it definitely does. And we were talking about wind tunnel stuff like right. now from now to the end of the year they're going to buy up every bit that's available,

kick all the small teams out, whatever. But, you know, I would say that it was some votes from some higher-up teams that said, let's not do this. I mean, because NASCAR just doesn't come up with this stuff now, I've sit in some high-end meetings, you know, with different people. You know, we have a lot of meetings to be able to do what we think's right. All of it's not right. Do I think this is right? I just think we find a way around it. And then, you know, the 10 road crew positions. When you say you're cutting positions out, and I know I've talked to Kevin Hamlin a lot about this because spotters are going to be on the roster now. I think y'all got to run fuel, sit observation decks up. Y'all got to do tires and clean into it. Yeah, we're going to

ask you about that, I mean, and stuff like that. So when I see that, I don't think a spotter needs to be on a roster for one, okay? I just don't. But I think we can do it with less people. We have in the Xfinity series. We have been able to. Some cup teams do it. it with less people. Correct. We have been able to adapt. So I think this is fine. Does it need some shaking up?

Does a spotter need to be on it? No, absolutely not. Let me, and let's stop on that because we're a spotter podcast. Cup spotters, okay, it is a luxury, literally. I say this meaning it. He was off on Saturday. Listen to me. Can you replay that real quick?

It is a luxury for colleague racing to be able to hire someone of my status at the rate of which I'm paid to come. over and help your program. So if they take that spotter and say, you've got to do all those things, you got to run fuel, you got to run tires, you got to do X, Y, and Z. And it makes me not available to your organization. A, how does it hurt you from you filling that position from a performance standpoint? But then B, financially, what does it do to you? Well, I told you this the other day. You know, you were asking me about that. You were kind of talking about it. And I said, we can't afford it. It's not in our budget. It's $54,000 that it's going to hurt me if I got to take a spotter with

me. Not counting his salary. I'm just talking about our travel, you know, putting you on our because you ain't going to come down and wipe the cardam. You can't. You're on the roof. Yeah, so, I mean, like, it's going to hurt me along with it. And that's where we, teams will go fight for the spotters not to be on the roster. And it probably can be, whether they change or not, I don't know. Whether the Cup teams say, well, I don't really need our spotter on the roster, I don't know.

But, like, it's going to really hurt the lower divisions. And when I say lower divisions, the Xfinity, the trucks, even like when you're going to take the new K&N Arker series, it's going to hurt them. It's going to hurt anybody that's at the Cup racetrack because we lean on spotters. We lean on pick crews. We lean on a lot of things that is driven through the Cup series, and that's definitely going to hurt us. There's a small group of spotters, and almost all the spotters would do all the series. There's very few designated expediting spotters only. I don't think there is any.

Brandon Line was the last one I remember at RCR. And there's no real truck guys that are, hey, I got this guy all the time that he just does truck series. They rely on us. there's like there's a group of 40 45 people maybe that spot total and does all the series so you got the same group on the roof every week it helps NASCAR out as well that's the thing i get like to the NASCAR piece tj's saying tj if they bring up a k-n-spotter and he now is asked to do an exfinity series race because a cup spotter isn't available and they're barking out all these orders how long is it going to take to get that right well i'm just saying that and a lot of times you get a guy out there and that i'm giving him cables out of my bag because he doesn't have to have a cable hooking this radio up. They're asking you, what does that mean? Yeah, I think several spotters. What's that mean?

Good example. We had one at Watkins Glean that we couldn't hear him. I think it was on your channel, on the 10th channel. We couldn't hear him because he had his cord plugged into the scanner port. He's talking, but he had his cord plugged into scanner port. So that would be the people, like, I'm going to use like a truck driver, right? And that's not going to work. Right.

Because you've got a $100,000 race car out there and a guy that's never spotted. It would be just like asking Hannah to go up and spot. Her mic would be hot a lot I mean, because you know how she is about a mic. Close channels, though, right? One of the things, too, is we've been to these tracks a lot of times. We've seen a lot of wrecks. We know a lot about where cars are going to be.

And like you said, you've got an expensive race car going on the racetrack. You want to take care of it the best you can. Your guys work, all these crew guys work their tails off in the shops and on the road. And to tear a car up, man, I hate tearing cars up. Those guys put so many hours into these cars. That's why I don't like seeing guys go after each. other after the races and stuff either because these guys work on these cars. I've been on the crew. You work a lot of hours and for somebody just to get mad and go tear the side of the car off,

I mean, people have to fix that. You know what my rule is? If you're calling racing? You tear it off, you fix it? You wreck somebody after the checker flag? You're paying for it. That's a good role. Like that's just the way it is. You can get out. You can throw water on them. You can do whatever you want to do. Yeah. But you are not going to tear our race cars up. It's senseless work. Both of them. It's senseless work. Yeah. Do not. You know. tear those race cars up after the checkered flag it's over if y'all wreck coming to the checker okay oh you're racing you're racing yeah but afterwards yeah well i mean it just creates senseless work for the guys in the shop and money you're just throwing money away at that point so yeah i don't

there's a safety part of this too nascar expects a lot of their spotters when they give us lineups and they give us things like that and to work with the same group every week and almost every show just helps their show move more fluidly and more consistently in my opinion as well we and safer, you know, and everything. So I agree with them. What does this chassis thing mean? I realize what it says. 12 chassis is only 10 unique designs.

How, I mean, how big out of the box can you get with these chassis as far as design? Oh, man, huge, huge. And I always go back to race teams. We have a lot of chassis. We were sitting down talking about it today. How many chassis we need to buy? What do we need to do to gear up for maybe four speedway cars, maybe three at the road courses? And, you know, we have in our shop right now,

19 complete race cars, you know, with bodies on them that we can put suspension on and go race. That's the Xfinity team with, you know, basically two cars. You think about a cup car, you know, they just have a ton of chassis. And what they're doing is they're gearing up for 2021, right? So you look at this no arrow package change. And the reason they did that, even though to race this past weekend was horrible, awful. Can I say that on here? Yeah, you say it.

It was awful. that if you change something, then they've got to go to design it again. They've got to go to work again. You leave it alone. At least they have one year under their belt, and they can just improve on that with the 150 hours that they have. So all of that is okay. Do they need to adjust it?

Adjust the tires? Absolutely. That's the biggest thing. Twelve chassis is going to make it to where you're not going out racing against Stewart Hosses putting a brand new chassis on a racetrack every week. Yeah, I think I heard you had to run at least three times as a primary before you could basically retire it. That's right. And that's good.

That's like engines. They did that with engines, right? Like we run engines much longer than what we used to. Guess what? Knock on wood, you don't see many blown-up engines. Right. Not as many as you've seen at Vegas in the truck series. Right.

That was not a fun place to be on pit road. I'll just tell you that much. I think an important thing that you mentioned earlier too is we go back to the playoff point things as well. You know, the guys that get in early, their chassis are getting up. updates. They're going to unload at Homestead. They got more time to build this spectacular piece, Homestead-only car. That's right. To do that. So, and this will help that. I don't know how many, you know, I don't know what they're going to do with 21, how many you're going to get.

So, but yeah, this is definitely gearing up being towards that. I imagine what that 20-21 car is going like maybe I might have seen one, maybe. Yeah, rumor is there building one right beside your shop. That probably is true, but it might even been in my shop. Who knows? It is, you know what? I kind of like it. Believe it or not. I kind of like it.

It's going to be a change. It's going to be different. People are going to hate it. But I kind of like the direction that we're going. And they're calling it the next gen, not Gen 7, right? That's what I've heard. Yeah, I think you're right. I got a question for you.

I just thought about this. You know, how do you like in the position you're in how we vote for a ever we complained about how the rules were after the race. Like we didn't like waiting until Tuesday or something. I know you were a victim. Thanks. You were a victim of it, but how do you think that's progressed and how do you like it? You know what I mean?

Like knowing that night, you know, if you're first, second or third, you know where you're at. I 100% love it. Yeah. I voted for it. Even the hype deal that we got called for at Watkins Glens, 100% on us. We messed up. I like it. I love it.

I think it's great for the fans. We don't talk about it at all. anymore either. It's not an issue. You know. I think it's great for the owners. I think it's great for the team. Do you feel like an idiot? Absolutely you feel like an idiot. Just in our situation, it happened to AJ Ombandinger back-to-back times. One of them was a motor issue that was a complete fluke, and then we just didn't lock our jackbolts down, and that's on us. We never had to. Until then, we never did. But now they're locked down every week and knock on wood. Both our cars have passed tech ever since. Yeah. It's nice to know, though.

Yeah, 100% nice to know, and I believe everybody else the same way, because they held all of us playoff cars this past weekend, even though people got kicked out, to see if, okay, did somebody get, you know, fail tech and get disqualified? I love it. I think they've done a really good job. Like, you know, it's black or white right now. You either in or you're out. You either make it or you don't. There's no, well, okay, well, let's wait until two. I mean, it's like, I think it's good. They've done a really good job. A lot less stress in our life on Tuesday. I can tell you that. Yeah, for sure. All right, well, let's see what's coming up this week on the Dale Jr. Download. The Dale Jr. Down, Jr. Listen up. When you're done listening to Door Bumper Clear, go listen and subscribe to my podcast, the Dale Junior Download. This week, he's honest, emotional, and we're all on the track and off.

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had a fan tweet as this week. Carl said he used Offerpad to sell his house because he heard you and TJ talking about it. I saw that. It's awesome. Yeah. Offerpad.com. Let's go into Fastlane. Three racing questions. One off-the-wall question. 30 seconds to respond to each. Only 30 seconds. How are you going to start?

Some talking games. Good luck. Fast lane. All right. First question here. After Sunday's race, Jimmy Johnson tweeted, I remember a day when you could pass with a faster car and that was not today. While NASCAR tweeted the racing was the most hypnotizing thing we've ever seen. Have you ever seen it as hard to pass in a cup race than it was at Dover?

Bright You Start. Who is the social media person at NASCAR that tweeted that this is the most hypnotizing thing we have ever seen? I don't know if they know anything about marketing or being hypnotized, but there's no energy or enthusiasm around that. Y'all might want to, I don't know, Google that word or something for you. I'll send it. It was the hardest I've ever seen it to pass it over, and there's a seven-time champion speaking out on it. If you don't listen to him, I don't know who you're going to listen.

too. Yeah, it's, you know, Jimmy, Jimmy is maybe one of the best, maybe the best driver at Dover that we've had in the last 15 years, one of the best guys. And, you know, I mean, Jimmy's part right. First, let me get the 22 out of my way so I can start. It was definitely hypnotizing. Next. And we definitely need to work on the entire package, tires, air, air,

package and everything fully go back. I agree with Jimmy Johnson and what Clint Boya said. Might have been a worst race he's ever been in in NASCAR. What about Clint said? On the radio. Oh, on the radio when it was over. What about a really soft tire and just take the spoiler off the back. Let her rip. Let it rip. Her mic was hot, y'all. What a... Okay. Tyler Reddick was officially announced to the number eight cup ride full time in 2020. Which driver do you expect in a new ride will perform best next season? Reddick in the 8, de Benedetto in the 21.

Busher in the 17 or Bell in the 95. Well, I can't say Dedibetto's name, so... Same. I can't say it, but he will perform the best in the 21 car. He will win two races and make it to the playoffs and probably make it to the final 12. I'm going to go out and say that. I think RCR has a lot of work to do. Reddick will definitely help that.

Bell is going to have his hands full. So Debto, I have you say his name, will be the best. Yeah, I think... You want to go on a minute ago? I really started, so I think Matt's a really good race driver. What's his name? Di Benedetto? Yeah, he's a really solid race driver,

and I think mixing him in there with Joey and Brad's going to be a good combination and Blaney and stuff. It's going to be a good combination. Y'all are both wrong. Christopher Bell's going to be lights out in that gib stuff. Are y'all kidding me? You're going to have to see some improvement on the 21 car, and I think Matt brings that to the table.

I think, you know, Buster's going to get in the 17 and certainly finish more races than Ricky's done and give himself a chance potentially to make the playoff. I mean, if Newman made it, Buster may be able to make it. Redick in the 8, I'm with Chris there, man. RCR is in a big year, in my opinion, next year, and they're going to have to be on the way up in order to keep the ship going in the right direction.

I think Redick's scrappy, too, though. That's a good, like, he's going to have some good runs. He'll race you. He don't even know what we talk about. Oh, we guys got White Claw? Ain't no law and drinking a claw. See? Oh my gosh.

Chris knows. Oh, my. I got an 18-year-old daughter that ordered the shirt off of Amazon and told her mom. Oh, it was for my roommate at college. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Yeah. So my brother-in-law, Mark Hampton, he, uh...

Ain't no law. He was down seeing a good friend of his in South Carolina guy named Billy who listens to our show. and Mark came up to my house because I got my floors being ripped out. I moved out of my house last night to fix my first downstairs. So Mark don't drink no more because Mark had a little bit too much fun. Anybody that I find that doesn't drink, usually they probably went over the limit on the fun meter and they had to realize, okay, when I drink, I'm too fun. I got to quit drinking.

So Mark's on the quit drinking kick. Well, I have nothing in my garage refrigerator except beer. Well, you would think he'd be smart enough to know that. Well, he opens it up and he sees all these Trulias and White Claws because Freddie's Megan that I hang out with. Megan loves that stuff. So it's all in my refrigerator. The black cherry is all his favorite.

Well, he grabs one. He gets in his truck, starts going down the road. He cracks his thing open. He thinks he's getting ready to drink seltz away. Yeah, I've heard that from a lot of people. And chugs it. He had to pull over, spit it out, pour it out, because he's scared he's going to get an open container. Oh, my gosh.

So that's my Mark Hampton story for the week. But, yeah. So it is a law in drinking a claw. There is a law. I've never heard that saying, man. He goes, hey, no law drinking a claw. And he's like, dang right. Oh, headed to Talladego with both of your drivers outside of the playoff cutoff.

Thanks for bringing that up. Yeah, you're welcome. We just skip this question. It is Talladego. I don't think Brett or... Your game plan is to survive. I don't think Brett or me know what's going to go down there yet and who's going to be... I know we're going to have to work together at some point.

You're going to have to have help. You can't go there single car and dominate the race. She didn't even ask you to question yet. y'all are really nervous i mean y'all are freaking out freaking out to go to talladego next um be balking like hell what i don't understand is as a manufacturer last year we went down there dominated that race i mean we were awesome and to t jay's point we all got a lot of stage points we all did really well uh amarola won the race i think i finished second um but i don't know why we don't have a big master plan going into that weekend and maybe we will by the time sunday rolls around

but the way these, and I did an article this week on the athletic with all the playoff spotters. It's going to come out in the next day or two. T.J. was kind enough to send me a quote in. Only had one spotter that chose not participate. It just so happens he's lasting points. Anyway, I'm with T.J., man. We need to work together to not screw each other and not put ourselves in bad positions because without a dancing partner, you look like an idiot at Talladega.

Yeah, the spring race, we, that has. happened. We got trained at the end. We were lined up at a 17, and Kyle was back there, and they shuffled Kyle, and they shuffled the 17. When they shuffled those two out, we were sitting duck. We tried to hold them off as much as we could. I think we were able to hold chase off, but then we couldn't, can't block them all. Can't block them all. You know, and Kurt was able to, was Kurt right? Went to the bottom. Yeah, Kurt got inside, and, and yeah, it just wasn't a lot you could do. But I'm sure we'll have a very, you know, we'll have a good plan going there and we'll be looking for each other and trying to help each other as much as we can because we all need to maximize our points for that day.

You can't afford to be out there alone, wolf by yourself and hanging on. Spotters just want to see their car finish this race because that usually means you've had a good day. But for us, that's not going to be enough. We're going to have to have two good stages. So both of these guys are wrong. And what's going to happen is the manufacturers are going to get together and they're going to just keep pushing each other like Chevrolet dominate it. And they're going to try to get all the forwards in there. and they're going to try to get all the Toyota's in that, which Toyota's behind because they don't have a lot.

Five cars. But I'll guarantee you the Ford's getting a meeting. They'll probably bring you guys in when it gets close enough. I hope it ain't on Saturday because I'm going to South Carolina, Georgia game. And they're going to tell them this is what's going to happen. And drivers, you got to deal with it. I'm telling you, when we won Daytona with our Xfinity car, I told all three of our drivers and all three of our spotters. Here's a deal.

The 11 car means the most. Do not wreck the 11 car. He needs to get into playoffs. But I need you guys to work with each other no matter what. And that's what's going to happen when you get down there on Sunday. And I'm going to say a Ford will dominate this race just because they have been bringing to heat lately. And it's going to be tough to beat those guys.

Doug Gates is a horsepower machine at plate tracks. Yep. Ding. All right. Last question here. Off the wall question. A whiskey distillery in London is selling alcoholic tide pods, which are seaweed-wrapped whiskey pods that contain one of three cocktail flavors that you pop in your mouth and swallow.

Would you try one of these? I wonder who looked this up. This is on the Google News business page is one of the top stories. White Claw. White Claw. White Claw over here. Yeah. Ain't know law.

Brett, you're going to try one? Well, I want to know what the person looks like that's handing it to me. Because if they look really nasty. So one of them guys that was going to be on stage behind us in Dover, you wouldn't. If they hand me this pod, out of their hand and it looks disgusting. I'm not going to drink it. But if they're a clean-looking person,

or if they just give me a box, let me get it myself. You know what I'm saying? He's going to take it. We all know that. But it depends on how many shots I've had before. There we go. Now the truth comes out. He's going to take it.

I'm not taking it. I can tell you that right now. You're not taking it? I am not taking it. I don't have an issue of what's inside of it. I'm worried about the cleanliness of the seaweed wrap. Let me tell you, I am not going to take it. And the reason why, if they say pop it into your mouth, does not sound good, nor does swallow.

He took it there. Okay. All right. We did have some good times. Before cell phones, cell phone screwed this whole sport up, camera phones. I don't think it's just. Oh, wait a minute. We didn't finish that page yet.

Man, this is a good. I'm changing this subject. This is really nice, by the way. Cell phones didn't screw the sport of. I was so screwed a lot. Not just the sport. When you go find a sponsor or when you go talk to sponsors now, that's what they talk about, how many people are watching on their phone.

Not how many people in a grandstands. Yeah, how many people are watching on their phones? Exactly. You know, we talk about that a lot, and you could go on for hours, but how many people are watching on his cell phones? Yep. I watch Alex Bowman in-car camera because I want to hear his throttle trace yesterday for probably 20 minutes, you know, just sitting there watching it, like, hypnotized.

Brilliant word, by the way. Hello, I'm a PR person. I'll say this. Hibonized. sport it will hypnotize you. The NASCAR app is actually pretty good. It's actually really good. It's awesome. It's pretty good. Our fans have better access than any other sport. They do. Period. Because I want to listen to my Cleveland Browns. I want to listen to what the coaches got to say. You can't hear that, but you can go out in NASCAR. You've had a big game tonight. Big game. And I'm going to be at AJ Almondinger's wedding.

That's good. You'll be watching on your phone. She's hot. And fun. She's a lot of fun. She is really cool. And he's done well. So, yeah. Oh, AJ. I like AJ. He's a good dude. You want authentic and affordable memorabilia? Pristineauction.com has got it.

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See what we've been on next. All right, ask DVC. First question here. Larry L. 96 asks, T.J., what was your boy thinking pulling out in front of Larson at the end of stage two? As if we haven't, you know. I have no idea what he's even talking about.

We didn't pull out in front of Larson at all, I don't think. That's when you were hypnotized. Yeah. You don't remember it. Must have been on the NASCAR app. Watch us in men cars. I don't, we didn't, I don't ever remember pulling out in front of Larson. Every time Larson got to us, we were up out of the way, moving out of the way.

And, and, yeah. All right, next one. Point two pros asks, if NASCAR throws random cautions to improve the race, why were they sitting on their flags Sunday? Hashtag conspiracy theory debunked. NASCAR throws random cars. I don't think they're in the business of throwing BS cautions very much anymore. And listen to me, we're coming off the roe where there were a lot that were in question,

but we went through last week on why that was a different scenario. To start the race, when Chase Elliott blew up, Kurt Busch, Clint Boyer, all those guys behind him, they went nuts on the radio because I was standing with all their spotters because we didn't think that warranted a caution. That in my mind was the only caution of the day because when we have a stage break, it's a green-white checker, then the top ten cross, then we throw a yellow. In my mind, that shouldn't be called a caution because, it's not. It's a stage break. My mind, we had one caution yesterday. It was for a mechanical issue where the guy on the 77 didn't tighten up the axle or whatever that was. I actually

put a poll out this morning on Twitter. Should we call a stage break a caution? And 61% of the people said, no, 26% of the people said, I don't care. 13% of the people said yes. So I was one of the 13% that said yes. Because it's a yellow flag. It ain't a caution. But it's a yellow we shouldn't even throw it. We should finish under green white. Don't throw a yellow flag. That's what I'm saying. Finish under green white. Just finished the whole field under green white. So do you think you should win a trophy for winning a stage? A trophy in the sense of after the race, NASCAR awards you a trophy? No, just a trophy in general. Well, I mean, NASCAR is going to be, the track or NASCAR is going to have to award you the trophy.

No, we make stage win trophies. They're about that tall stage win. I've seen it. I hang the banner. Why wouldn't you? It's a, it's a checker flag. It's a green white checker flag. You made it to the end of that, that, what they call that part of the race. It's a stage win. Stage? What? When? So why wouldn't a yellow flag be a caution? Why do they throw the yellow flag as my point?

So just keep going? Just green white it. Green white and call it good? I don't care if they keep going or not, but there's no reason for a caution. There's no debris on the track. There's no wreck. So we could call it the first quarter. Call it the first stage.

First third, being as this three. Yeah, but you still take a break. Take a break. Take a break. Don't count the yellow left. So are you saying throw that like green checkered and just let them keep going and eliminate that like. No, we got to stop because the fans need to go to the bathroom and get their white claws.

We're stopping for TV. I mean, let's not be stupid here. That's why I'm just thinking about. But it should not be called a caution. It's not a caution. It's a stage break. I don't care what you call. If you want to call it, I'm glad they throw the caution there because number one, it creates

strategies. It puts, do you pit? Do you stay out? It swaps the field sometimes. It creates guys, it creates two different strategies a lot of times. The guys that stay out, okay, we're going to try to hold them off here and see where we can end up. Or, you know, you've got the guys that are obviously leading the race that come down, then they've got to pass some cars. I don't care what to do. I'm just saying it's not a caution.

Caution is for a wreck or debris. I wish at the end of the stage, green white checkers, I wish we, excuse me, at the end of the green. Shotgun beers with Larson's old lady. Well, that too, but like, I wish we had green white checkers at the end of them. I wish they wouldn't end under caution. Yeah. Caution. Dr. And T. J. being 24 laps down. Anyways, this one's for Chris here. Yeah. More of Hooligan asks, what are some of the challenges you face at calling as president to keep up with some of the bigger teams in the sport? That is a big challenge, but to do it, you just have to have good people surround you. It's all about your people, and you've got to maximize what you have in your race shop, not worry about what they have.

And if you do that, normally you can keep up with them. You know, the Gibbs, the Junior Motorsports, the RCRs are definitely, they have six times the people we have. so that is tough, but if we maximize what we have, then we normally can keep up with them. I got a question for you on the same note. You've won a plate race this year. You've won a road course. Those are specialty races.

I know you well enough to know that winning an oval has got to be big on your list. Like, how do you close that gap with those organizations you just referenced? Because I watched the race on TV at Dover, and I could see Justin Haley wasn't making the grip that those other guys were making. Now, you guys pulled out of a miraculous finish, third or fourth? Fourth. So with that said, like, how do you close that gap? Is that you and RCR closing it together?

Is that you closing on your own? Like, well, how do you fix that? We've got to close it on our own. You know, we put, Ross was in our car at Chicago and gave us some good direction. And I feel like when he gets back in it at Kansas, he'll let us know whether we went right or wrong. And not, you know, Justin Haley has gave us great direction, but he hasn't drove these cars. So he don't know which direction to go. Tala Redick has a different driving style than anybody else in the world.

So we can't, every time we put his stuff in, we're slower, so we have to find our own. So we've got to find a direction to be able to keep up with DeGives cars. And to do that, we have to do exactly what we deal with AJ. We've got to take what our drivers are telling us and approve on that, not think, oh, well, you know, we missed it here, we missed it there. You know, it's kind of like what we do with Elliott Sadler going to Las Vegas. we knew where we were going to be, and we manufactured the top 10, and that was what we needed to do. Right, right. We got to do that going to Kansas.

We have set our mind to it. At Colleg Racing, we're going with a different package the rest of the year at all these mile and a halfs. We've been doing traditional stuff. We're going on different packets, so either we're going to be way worse or we're going to be way good. I think the cool thing for me is the computer and the engineering side I realize is driving what you're taking to the racetrack, but you're listening to the driver. You're not looking at the driver going to do. You don't know what you're doing.

You don't know how to drive. Like, you know you can trust what Justin and what. roster of driving and what they're doing and what they're saying and you're feeding off of them because sometimes man crew chiefs engineers they get they go against the driver oh yeah oh no that's not what i see this is what i see and it's like hey bro like you only got one tool here and it's a driver these computers get when the computers start overriding the driver you got problems exactly and we we have great engineers we do have uh four engineers at our disposal and we you know so we have great engineers but we have to come up with something that we can beat these guys with at the oval and we haven't

Even Tala Redick has kind of fell into the mile and a half winds. Don't forget that. It wasn't like, you know, Vegas, he wanted on fuel mileage. So it's not like he just was dominant at those places like we were at the speedways and road courses. So, yeah, we got to go to work on that, and we know that. And Alex Akers, AZ asks with Talladega on the horizon, what's the craziest wreck you've ever had to spot your driver through? T.J., you can start this. Ah, man.

I think one time we got turned at Daytona, and that's when we got flipped, and Del Jr. slide on his roof down the backstretch, and I told him to hold the break. So I didn't realize that was probably not a good term to use at that point. I mean, all four wheels are in the air. That was one of the craziest wrecks. I don't know if I've ever driven through. I think I flipped Elliott down to backstretch 13 times one time. Now, actually, Del Jr. was on his outside, and Jr. kind of swerved like he was going to

come down and Elliot moved to the inside and I think Kurt Bush might have been on his inside and it clipped him in his left rear and it shot him just flipping down the freaking backstretch and just as you think they're going to stop flipping they hit just right boom they start flipping again it's like the barrel rolling's even faster I rushed to the infield met him at the infield care center he was in an argument with the doctor because the doctor wanted to give him an IV and Elliot hates needles and he goes and Chris knows Elliot as well as I do Elliot goes completely bat-crazy on this guy. So then the guy was like, oh, you must be

concussed. We're going to med flight you to Birmingham. So guess what they did? They loaded him on a freaking backboard on TV, put him on the helicopter, flew him to freaking Birmingham helicopter, so I'm on the phone with his mom and dad going, hey, he's fine. He's just mad because he's mad. They're sending him to be for a concussion protocol to have his

brain scan and all this stuff. So Will and I jump into Explorer. We fly to Birmingham and we sit there all freaking night for them to say, nothing's wrong with you. You can go home. I thought you would have picked at Pocono. That's what I thought. The Bocono backstretched wreck.

They started wrecking in front of us. I'll never forget it. I key up and I go, spin in front of you, this is what you need to do. And I look back because, as you guys know, as Spotters, you can't look at your car and the wreck. You got to pick one. So I picked the wreck. I looked back at my car. I can't find it.

Put my binoculars up. And I'm like, man, that's my car sitting there with the engine laying beside of it. And what had happened was, AJ Amadinger didn't get the information they were wrecking as quickly as I gave it. Elliot, he gets hit in the butt. Elliot gets sent to the infield. And where he hit was a guardrail with a mile of dirt. Well, let me tell you something. Dirt doesn't move.

So when he hit, it shot his car backwards. Pulled over 60 G's was the data. And it flung. It flung. It flung the engine out of the car. And I thought he was dead. When I saw the car, I literally thought he was. I literally thought he was dead.

And if he wasn't dead, I thought his eyeballs popped out his head because how in the world can you take that kind of impact? And if you go back and Google this or YouTube this wreck, you don't have a really good view of Elliott in the 19 car wrecking, but you'll barely see him coming to the screen and you'll see him go flying back out. It was a very, very scary accident. I think the craziest one I ever did it was Brad at Fontana when he rode the wall in that bush car. The 88 car. Yeah, that was probably, I saw him, AJ and somebody got into it. And I told Brad, I was like, get way away from, we were way down low, and they got together somehow.

It might have been AJ and Vickers or somebody like that. They come down and hooked us, and Brad went basically straight under the wall and just on fire, rolling down the wall. And that was a pretty frightening accident. I still, to this day, and I mean, I've unfortunately seen some guys lose their lives in accidents at these races. But the day that Michael McDowell hit in turn one in qualifying Texas, I knew he was dead. I mean, I almost vomited. I was standing on pit road. It sounded like a bomb went off, and my knees got weak.

I got nauseated because you were like, there's no way that guy lived through that. Holy cow. I mean, the safety stuff that we have in place, he popped right out. Yeah. Mine was Buckshot Jones at Charlotte in the open. Oh, shoot, the kid that passed away. Jason Leffler. Jason Leffler was driving the cell of your car, whatever cellia car was.

You were in a Georgia Pacific car. Yeah, he was in Georgia Pacific car. And Buckshot tried to wreck him and missed him. and hit the wall head on getting into one. Oh. And I mean, it put the motor in the passenger side. It broke Buckshot's Hans. I mean, we know Buckshot wrecked a lot, and I love him to death, but, yeah, it broke his Hans.

And I was standing on Pitt Road when Jeff Bodine wrecked that truck, flipped that truck. At Daytona. At Daytona, I was standing on Pitt Road for that. So, I mean, I didn't have to spot nothing but myself from getting hit by the motor. Austin Dillon's wrecked was pretty bad. Yeah. We were all right. That was right in front of us.

We were spotting from those bleachers. Thanks for bringing this up right before we go, Taladega, bud. You're not winning a t-shirt. Everybody this week wins a t-shirt. iTunes review comes from Glasshold Dad. He said, educational show in more ways than one might expect. Thanks are giving me the opportunity to explain motorboating to my 13-year-old son. He was thrilled.

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You're not. You're not kidding. No, he's not kidding. You got to pick first, dude. T.J., you need to win out. How many races are left? Six, right? So you've got to win out to win.

Or I think he can actually, now, since there's six left, he can tie you by Phoenix and then win at Homestead. Yeah. All right, good luck. Here we go. I'll take two. That's pretty good. I'll take the 22. I knew you were going to do that.

I don't feel right picking myself. Well, I was going to pick me or you, and I'd already pick me. I don't feel right. I don't feel right picking myself, so I'm glad you're doing it. Can I have the 88? Yeah, you can have the 88. Yeah, you can have the 88. Hey, loud, look.

You can have the 88. I'll block them. All right. All right, Claw. Yeah, I appreciate you coming on, man. Yeah, I enjoyed it. I love it. He has podcast.

I still can't believe your mom's Kathy, man. You tell her, she don't want to remember me, but tell her I said hi. I'm she's got a memory like an L. Well, that car I drove over there stood out. So TJ and I did door bumper clear live at Dover. And as we were doing it, and first of all, we had a great crowd show up, man. I was pretty, I was pretty shocked to see that many people come out there and support us. And so all the crew guys were going in the garage as we were doing it right there on that main Xfinity stage.

So we were giving some of them shout out. So I get in the 14 truck and all my guys listened to the podcast, right? Because I'd give me crap about it. Probably the only reason they listen. So it's meat. It's Russell. It's all these guys. and they're like, hey, ask T.J. about that time he ran this car at Bristol.

And Russell was like, he sucked. They were like, ask him about this late model stock car he ran, and J.D. got in it and ran faster than he did. So they're begging me, T.J., to bring all them on the show at one time to give you crap about your racing. I would love to have them on here at one time. Number one, J.D. drove the street stock. J.D. has no idea with that street stock.

He has been mad since y'all started with Denny Hamlin, him blocking Denny Hamlin and Kyle Larson. Now you talk about his racing? I just want him a chance to have a chance to have a rebuttal against my whole team. I got to get out of here. J.D. was not around. That was my thought when I walked in. When we took that street stop to Concord and the thing had like a late model motor in it and it had groove tires and it drove terrible. And he takes it. This other kid drives it and wrecks it. This is a couple years later, drives it and wrecks it. Well, JD goes and pulls out of the woods,

makes it a super good looking car. He does a really good job. He's a talented dude. Jay, he did, that's when they ran like them wickers on the roofs and stuff. He took it to Rockingham and I don't remember what happened there. But, yeah, JD didn't get a chance to drive that thing at Concord. Russell said it was Russell or meat. I can't remember which one. They said they really want to talk to you about when you drove the V8s in Australia. Do you ever notice?

Okay, that's a good argument there. I spun that V8 Supercar three times in one lap. Do you ever notice no matter what, no matter what, we always have an excuse why we didn't win? Yeah. Like, it doesn't matter. This dude had a left tire that was better than mine. No, I will say the VA Supercar, holy cow. thing was...

It had to be fun to drive, though, if it was like that. Well, yeah, for the half a lap that I got to drive it. It was fun, ma'am. Well, I mean, I'll tell you this, though, we went to a driving school, a V8 driving school, and we did a town child competition, and JD was slower with me then, so there was always that. Yeah. Okay. I got this.

I didn't see any of this. I'm just going off of their stories, and they want to come on here and tell you about it. So I had to give you the message so you could give them the rebuttal. I got this, so they have a Thanksgiving classic. Thanksgiving? Does I say that right? Thanksgiving classic? Better than Di Benedadetto.

Oh, whatever his name is. At Southern National Kenley, I'll get us three cars. Okay. I'll spot for you. You can drive to, get four cars. Yeah, let's all just drive. We'll get four cars. I'll get the guy to have like a match race, and we'll just go down and do a match race.

You think Dale Jr. would come with us? That's a lay model stock race, isn't it? Yeah, but we're going to drive like a mini stock. Oh, perfect. Oh, mini stock will be perfect. I've been trying to get breath to do with something like this already. We should. I'm in.

I got my suit. I had to get my Hans re-certified. Because, A, she's skinny. And two, she's skinny. And two, she's drove. some of the last 10 years. It's in the last 10 years. As long as it's not Concord. Concord's tricky, man. That's scary. Dude, I've ran Pikes Peak in a super

late model and Concord scared the crap out of me. I just do not like that place. My first race of Concord, I blew a right rear tire out of the dog leg in that street stock. That's what I'm telling you. That place is scary. Like, it's a super fun race. Yeah, I like Pikes Peak. Did Bristol scare you also? I never got to race Bristol. Yeah, I never got to race Bristol. What a shame. Oh, okay. Yes, it scared me on the front stretch. I thought I was jobless. Chris, thanks for coming on, dude.

A lot of insight. Long you a long time, man. Wanted you to come in here. We wanted to time it right, though. I know you've been trying to squeeze in here. I've been working it on Twitter. I got a question real quick for you. When your lights go out, what do you call it? What happens? Power goes out. Yeah, I lose my power.

Okay. He's not from up there where Elliot's from. Wow, you're trying to look. Yeah. We ain't got no current at our house, man. But what they say is they ain't got no current at a hearse. You know, wheel? House and moose and house.

Yeah, wheel? Will don't know where he's at now. He's lost. Will won Darlington. I got a real good one right before. I know this is tape, but I go to Emporia, and I live there for like six years, six, seven years, and I show up. And I'm like, holy cow, what has happened to this town? And it's like, Elliot's top hand is in the old pigly wiggly.

And it's like not a pigly wiggly wiggly no more. So they all still talk the same. They don't have any current. And their hers is right down the route. You know, it's water. Water. Most in the house. Yeah, it's because we're lazy.

It was the whole reason why, because we wouldn't learn. I moved to North Carolina, and I did, I don't know how to say Dedibetto. And I call Riley Hirschberger a hamburger, so I can't get that going. It's Riley Hurts. So I get it all messed up. Oh, man. Well, yeah, thanks for coming on. I love it.

Thank you all. Congrats on a good season, man. Yeah, the wins. You got a chance to make top ten with Justin. That's right. That average finish. That's what people don't realize, man, that, you know, the points, like I got the updated points this morning from Clint and the point, like you can make the round of eight and still finish out of the top

12 because they keep the points going. So if fans weren't confused already, there's still a lot to race for for the 10 car rest of year. 11 car. Yep. We can finish as high as fifth. And that's our goal. You know, we were seventh with Blake Cook.

Our first year, we need to be better than that. We haven't been in the past, so we want to be better than that. And Justin is definitely better than that. We just got to keep digging. Race our own race, do our own thing, and make sure that all them douchebags are gone. Hannah, thanks for coming and sitting in. Hey, I appreciate it. I've missed you.

Even though you were late. Yeah, okay. I was not late. Have fun moving. Yeah, have fun moving. Yeah, I know. I was going to ask if you guys are going to come home and we move today. You didn't go to Offerpad.

We're out. Yeah, not yet. Bye. See you. See you. Check out Dirty Mo Media on YouTube, Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram. Dirty Mo.