Door Bumper Clear - 155 - Talladega Aftermath

Episode Date: October 15, 2019

A wild Monday race at Talladega Superspeedway provided plenty for T.J. Majors, Brett Griffin, Casey Boat and Jason Schultz to cover. NASCAR’s controversial rulings on running below the yellow line on the final lap, the manufacturers drafting strategy and a return of tandem drafting are discussed. Also, TJ shares why Joey Logano and Alex Bowman’s contact triggered the first big crash of the race. Brett explains why Clint Bowyer lost two laps when his car became stuck on the banking. Ross Chastain announced his 2020 plans and the gang has the scoop. Plus, expectations heading to the second elimination race at Kansas, reaction to jumping into fire on Talladega Blvd and much more.  Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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app or go to anchor.fm. to get started. That's an C-H-O-R.fm. to get started. This is door bumper clear and on Jason Schultz. Brett and T.J. are back from a wild Monday at Talladega and ready to discuss. Drivers going below the yellow line. Contact between Logano and Bowman, triggering the first big one.

Manufacturer drafting strategies. Ross Chastain's 2020 news and plenty more. Ready, set, go. I'm T.J. Majors. This is Fred Rippman. Get ready. Be ready. Be ready.

Be ready. Be ready. New leader. Oh, watch down for this guy. White flag. Right. Hello. Clear.

Bring home. Three light. Coming to the line. George bumper. Clear. Woo! Hey, everybody. Am I kicking this off?

Yeah, go for it. I'm T.J. Majors. It's part of the 22 Cup car. A 99 truck this weekend. And almost full cast, I guess. Yeah, we're full. Man. Brett Griffin, Spotter for Clint Boyer.

Got Ross Chastain this weekend at Kansas in the. good old Xfinity series. I'm holding the football from the ass kicking chickens, the South Carolina Gamecocks who upset the Georgia Bulldogs for all you barkers out there. I got out of my car at the game

and some old punk hung his head out the window and he went, and I was like, man, I just got here and these people are already barking at me. So I had to listen to this barking until the game started. Once the game started, 95,000 people have never been that quiet. Well, the bill's

won too. Did they? We both celebrating. Well, they beat that bye over that guy. That's a tough team sometimes. And I lost, so I'm going to stop talking about that. You lost? Well, your second husband won.

You're my husband. I mean, he counts. I saw your husband at lunch today. You did. We went to. We went to, I did. I saw, guess who? I saw Christopher.

I saw Billy Boat and I saw Chad boat. So I saw. That's full boat. That's a full boat, dog. We were at Burrito Loco, which is a really small taco joint here in Moresville. And if you're ever here and go eat lunch there, everybody pretty much at lunch is in racing. A lot of Penske guys, a lot of Roushey's guys. Great place to go in and get a breeder.

Was motor with them? No. No. What's your dog's name? Jane or something? Susan. Susan wasn't there either. She's at home today.

You know, Hannah was on here last week. I didn't think to give her crap about it, but her dog's name's Janet. I know. Who the fuck names y'all's dogs? Those are like human names. I mean, they are cute. You have to admit. Like, Susan and Janet are great names.

That's awful names for dogs. It just makes me want them to play like video or something. That's like real, that's like real human names. Like, yeah, it's not a dog name. Yeah, like, hey, hey, Bill, come here. Bill, eat, eat your food, Bill. What's wrong with that? I mean, just animals.

I think my next dog, you know, I thought about this the other day, like, what am I going to do when cocky dies? Because cocky's my Cocker Spaniel. I've had her 14 years. She's blind. She's deaf. She's got tumors all over her back. She's losing her hair. Like, bless her heart, she ain't going to be here much longer.

I think, man, my next dog I might name it Edsel. What do you have to think about Edsel for a dog name? Etzel? Yeah. Is that bad or good? Is there a reason? That's really close to a jam. Well, obviously, I've made a very good living off of cars, and I've enjoyed racing,

being a part of racing cars. And, you know, I mean, I just thought Edsel be a cool name. I like it. What you think? Really close to Susan. It is. It's better. It's better because it's kind of, it's different.

That's what I want. But like Susan and that's like, hey, uh, mom can. They know who she is because no other dog is named Susan. Exactly. Because people name their dogs like after. Most Susan's have two legs. Everyone remembers their name. They're like named after like flowers or superheroes or something.

She's the cutest. Rosie, come here, Rose. It works. And of course, sorry, Jason, we totally forgot to introduce you. But hi, Jason. Hello. Thank you, Casey. Sorry, we start talking about the, yeah, Cox.

I get excited. Well, Jason and Jason's, unlike donor, Jason's allowed to talk in this one. Yes. What, Dillner can't talk another one anymore? I don't think so. He's not supposed to. What happened? I don't know.

He was taking over. That's what he comes when I show and does. He won't hush. It's like, shut up, Dillner. I know. This isn't the, yeah. The Dillner bumper clear. He likes to talk.

He does. He's going to hate this episode. Well, how was Taledega? I know you guys have probably a lot to share. Talk about anything? What do you want to talk about? everything. I saw one fan tweet that it was a WWE race because it was just crazy. And I'd agree with that. It was crazy. It was crazier than I thought it was going to be. I was watching all these people on the Twitter. You know, I guess Dale Jarrett and Del Jr. and some guys made some comments on the broadcast about these alliances and how these OEMs are working together. And, you know, the funny thing is a year ago going into this race, I think this was a race where, you know, TJ and I had meetings and we had plans and we had all that stuff. And we pretty much went down there and dominated the race. year later, I wasn't asked to come to one single meeting.

I got one text right before the race started, and it's a miracle the text came through because the cell service was so bad. And it just said, hey, you guys race smart together. And it was within our organization, which is obviously just through our host racing. So I wasn't privy to all of these meetings. Did you have any big meetings? No. I didn't have any.

I'm not sure. You know, I didn't have any myself. I know what we're supposed to do. I know, and it's all, this is no different. Like, our, we didn't have strict orders. Like, do not get behind this guy. Do not talk. If you're behind that guy, just pull out and go to the back.

Like, we didn't have anything like that. You always look for your help, though. I will say, and you always, you knew who you're, and it was established pretty early what the help was going to be. You know, you guys worked really well with us. I thought, I thought our organizations worked really good together. I don't think you looked for your help you knew who the more dependable you if you didn't you were going to get hung you had to the other line that formed if they had if they could if they could chew you up and spit you out they were going to because they knew if they did that they would separate you that's what they did the last race there so we kind of prevented that really well but it was it was really racy that race I mean it was very racy and the reason is is because of this package it's you can't you can try to control the race and you can for a little while but eventually one of the other lanes gets rolling and you can't shut it down completely so they end up getting there and you just hope you're kind of cycle back towards the front when it happens there's just enough tandem racing to be able to pull that second line to make it come back and be competitive like you said get back up there get beside the front row take the lead they get down i mean it certainly was a big package i think

me, you know, looking at Chevrolet, and that's what I know a lot of the fans were fussing about on Twitter, and they were like, man, you know, Chevrolet, this, Chevrolet, Chevrolet, was the last one to the party with a plan. You know, Toyota had a plan, Ford had a plan, then Toyota and Hendrick together had a plan, and that's when Chevrolet realized we got to get in the middle of this, and they did. Where I think they went wrong, though, within their own meeting is they said, hey, and look, we all need to have a strategy to pit, because you don't. You don't want to pit by yourself. You want to pit with guys that you're around, and you want to be able to come off pit road and not lose a lot of time, right? And the reality is, if I know when

T.J. is pitting or vice versa, there's a lot less likelihood that we see a wreck getting on pit road. When we see guys pitting and we're not aware at a plate track, we've seen some gigantic wrecks getting on pit road. So where I think these OEMs, the alliances that they're forming work, is for pit strategy and for ends of stages. Where I think they screwed up is they sit in one of their meetings, with their drivers and spotters. Hey, you guys, I'll do this, I'll stay single file, all get to the front. And whenever the stage is about the end,

let the 88, 24, 9, get up there and get all the points. Well, guess what? That's not really how it's going to happen because you can't literally do that. Like, it sounds like you can micromanage that process, but T.J. will tell you, there's a lot of factors and a lot of things going on. A lot of yellows can change the game.

One restart. Like, it's impossible to micromanage that part of racing. I thought this was a year ago. It was definitely easier. but the playing field's leveled out a lot more. Great. You know, when you start with a new package and, you know, it was newer. Like last year, y'all dominate.

Was it this race y'all dominated? Yeah. Yeah, and it was hard to get us. Well, it was hard to get a run on you. Now. We had probably the four fastest cars. But anybody could still, anybody could get run still. Like, you could get a run.

It wasn't like we were going to hold off the rest of the field, riding single file. wasn't going to happen. So the playing field is way more level, and I anticipate that to continue, so it's going to be hard. You can say, hey, you guys stay in line all day, but that ain't going to matter. No, the lane is still going to roll. It is. And the cream still rises at the top at that point, because it's so racy that the good guys can still make moves when it comes down to it. The good plate racers still found their way to the front of that field.

Yep. And that's how it was, and I thought the right. race was pretty exciting. I thought it was good. I thought it was insane. And I'll give you two reasons why I think it was insane. Casey, I don't know if you'll agree with me or not since you're ever there played on your phone. I'm looking at the email. I'm so excited. Here's the thing. Just because we're locked into the round of 12, it doesn't mean that we're guaranteed to finish top 12 in points. We can, you know, Ryan Newman, my point is Ryan Newman can still finish top 10 in cup points. So he's still

racing for a lot as far as his season goes, right? So there's those guys that have a lot on the line. Obviously, you know, TJ, myself, all of the guys in the top 12, we all have a lot on the line. So everybody still has, the days of riding around single-file at that place surely seem like they're almost over because everybody still has so much to gain. Now, yes, after stage two ends and before that last pit window, there's not a lot for anybody to gain. So you're going to see guys ride and be smart there, which we saw yesterday. But there are three big pay windows. You got the end of stage one, the end of stage two. And realistically, when that last fuel window happens, that is the end of stage three. That's when it's going to all

transpire to go out and win the race. So you got two really good things for fans there to keep it exciting and the drivers still have a lot in the line. Yeah, it's, there's, there's, everybody's racing for something still. T.J., what about Joey wearing glasses for the race this weekend? Was that first time they've ever done that? I believe so. I believe so. I don't know. I guess he didn't want contacts. It was something, I think, what, Kyle, his PR rep, he, like, tried on Kyle's glasses. It's like, I can see so much better. Yeah, and he's like, I'm going to wear this in Talladega because he'll be able to see further out than he normally can.

And in Talladega, it's probably needed, obviously. But that was what they said over the broadcast. Too bad. I can't see out the left side. Yeah. I'm not going to lie. I was dying laughing when I was listening to the broadcast, and you were, after Clint's fun and he was stuck and you were like no don't put him on the record just push him just push him and i was the whole time i'm thinking brett must be pacing up and down the top like i got to tell you

i was really really really really upset okay we have an official on the roof with us we wrecked going into turn three okay when we wrecked we go out of my sight i know that i've wrecked i know it was a single car spin i never heard a spotter and t j will tell you we hear nass car spotting They have a spotter in every corner. They key up and say, spin in turn three. Okay, then NASCAR addresses the spin and decide whether or not it warrants a yellow. I never heard them say that a car had spun. So I'm jumping up and down, screaming at the official that I'm wrecked and I'm in three and four.

Will he please call it in? I'm stuck on the apron. The official did not call it in. So now I'm watching him not call it in. Okay, I can see him press his button on his headset and talk when he calls it in. He never calls it in. So by now, the leaders are all the way off a turn. turn two. We're talking 30, 35 seconds. I've been around there stuck, wrecked. Nothing has happened.

They finally throw a caution. I lose a lap. Well, then I lose another lap because they can't figure out how to get my car unstuck. That's the point of the day where my day was over. I literally had to ride around two laps down the rest of the day. There wasn't enough cautions to fall to get a lucky dog to get back to one down to race for a lucky dog. You knew the leaders weren't going to pit again, no wave arounds. That was a really frustrating time for me as a spotter because I needed information relay to the tower, and I don't think it ever got relayed. That was hard. But yeah, when they show Clint on TV, you know, I was like, and he's spinning his wheels, I'm like, dude, stop, you're going to blow your motor up. Your wheels aren't touching. You're

physically stuck. So when the safety workers finally got there, they couldn't hear what he was saying. So he had to, they were standing around looking at him, and he had to turn the car off, and he's like, I'm stuck, push me. And they tried to push him. Obviously, it didn't work. and then the wrecker was smart enough to hook to the right front wheel and just pull them off the banking and then boom. But at that point, man, our fate for the day was sealed. We just had to ride it out and it certainly didn't go our way from there. Yeah, that was a unique way to get stuck.

And with the low bumpers on these things, I can see how it would happen. That's definitely just bad luck. Road courses, we run little hooks in the front of our cars. because once NASCAR raises the hood on the car and hooks to the frame of your car, your day is over. You're immediately out. I believe that's optional.

Well, even at player tracks too? I believe it's optional. I could be way wrong on it. At a road course, it would make sense because you could get stuck in the grass, stuck in a gravel trap. You get pulled out, right? We certainly, I mean, if you had said,

what are the odds you're going to get stuck today on the banking, I would say none, right? How can that happen? It probably would have saved you one lap. You would have been one lap down probably. And then had a chance to do what you did. They'd have came up there and hooked right up to that little eye in the front of it and pulled it out. So I almost, the way this package is, I wouldn't, if it's legal or if it's something you can do,

I wouldn't be ready to put one up there. On the broadcast, they did say, like, you, that it's optional. Or know that if you're on the record, then you're basically your day is done. If the hood goes up, it's over. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was not expected.

So I'd imagine at the time of your. I couldn't believe we got freaking stuff like that. It's actually pretty cool that they pulled you out like that. because that could have, if they put you on the hook, you're done. Yeah, you're way down. Yeah, yeah. So, I don't know. Like I said, I mean, crazy race, great weekend.

A lot of fans were there. Weather was phenomenal. Obviously, the rain sucked on Sunday, but yesterday was cool. So I don't know how anybody could watch that race live or on television and not be very entertained. Absolutely. Yeah. It was interesting. Somebody tweeted, you know, could you imagine if this was actually a cutoff race for?

I mean, it used to be. It used to be. It was. It used to be when I was on Miller course. It basically is, though. Yeah, Brad, I remember one year in Talladega, Brad needed to win. And he won, didn't he? Yeah, he ended up winning.

And, I mean, I can't imagine this, like, the tension would be so much higher. I mean, honestly, they're, we race it like it was a cutoff race. Yep. I mean, we did. There wasn't any laying back. There wasn't any. We tried to get maximum points all day long. So, all right.

It was cool. Brendan gone, man. How about that guy? Yeah. So I'm watching him go down. backstretch and I look and I said over channel one when we were half down the backstretch I was like Brendan gone's got a run right here he's probably going to go up there and take the lead he was getting a huge push I was like I was like oh here you go well I can tell you what was probably getting ready to

happen was he was getting ready to get push up there and then he was getting ready to go right to the back yeah yeah so but you know good for him to come back and I like watching brendan gone I like I like his interviews his interview I swear I read one maybe today that his quote was you know, I'm good. I'm okay, Mom. Sorry. And then he's like, they're like, you're going to run Daytona 500? He's like, yeah, I'm going to run Daytona 500.

Sorry, Mom. Like, he's just funny. He's just a... He's a personality you need to keep him. That's a guy that I... He's one of the guys, and I think I said it before, that I never got to work with or be around much. And I wish I did.

Yeah, when I watched him come out of trucks in the cup, he went to Penske to drive the Kodak car. And he was a guy I really wanted to do well because he had a fun personality. You always like to say. I mean, sport needs personalities, right? I mean, you got a guy that is born into a very wealthy family. Yeah, very colorful personality.

Very colorful. I mean, it's a Las Vegas guy. Dad owns casinos. They own all the slot machines in the airport out there. You know, goes to Georgetown play basketball, roommates with Alan Iverson or whatever he was there. I mean, he's got a good little fun story. So, like TJ said, he's a good personality. It's good to see him do well.

Yeah, from a sponsor to the same point, he's absolutely incredible. He will go above and beyond for anything you need. which is really cool. I know that's needed a lot in this sport. He's mad when he gets mad. His interviews are great, and when things are going good, and even when things go bad, like, when he gets caught up and that, he's still got a great perspective on things.

Always positive. Yeah, he's, I like Brennan. Cool. So, Jason, what are we going to bid on this week? So we've got some cool new items on the table from Pristine Auction. Casey's Ryan Dungey signed photos over there. She's probably excited about that. I'm very excited.

In front of TJ, we have a Mario Andretti signed diecast. that came last week. That's pretty cool. Oh, we won that? Yeah, that's pretty cool. Hey, that might go missing. I know I like it. Who's going to steal it? Just like that might, this might be cut out by somebody, this Clemson football. I get the, I get the Helmonds car. I get all these three cars. You can have the other one for your kids. I didn't spot that one. So today, TJ, this might be an interesting item for you. The Joey Logano, 2019 Las Vegas win sign die cast. The race version is only $35 right now in Bristinaw. Yeah, let's do it. I'm going to try a bit on that. see where we get. Okay. That'd be an awesome addition for the table. I'm in.

Spot on, spot off. You spot off. You don't like it. Spot off. You don't like it. And you say one either way. First topic, below the yellow line rule. Sauter penalized on Saturday and Blaney not penalized Monday. Spot on, spot off, Brett. I don't know. I wanted to go first on this one. So I went back this morning. Jason was kind enough to send me the video. And I watch the truck penalty, and it made all the sense in the world as to why Sauter was black-flagged. If the yellow line is out of bounds, it's out of bounds, and he clearly forced the guy below there. I don't care if it's one tire, two tires, three tires, or four tires. Out of bounds is out of bounds, okay?

Then I watched the replay of Ryan Blaney, which I got to see live, but nonetheless, it's hard to keep up with all that when you're working and trying to watch. and Ryan Blaney, without a doubt, went below the yellow line. And the way that I understand the rule is you can't go below the yellow line to advance your position. That's a penalty. Well, I think he took the lead. The other way the rule is interpreted is you can't force the guy below the yellow line. If you do that, you may be penalized.

Ryan Blaney went below the yellow line. Was he forced or was he not forced? Because to me, somebody was supposed to be penalized there. It's either Blaney. for going below it and improving, or it's Newman for running him down there. If the yellow line is out of bounds, in any of the sport, the out of bounds line is the out of bounds line. If I hit a ball, my little boy hits a ball tonight at baseball, we've got a game tonight. We're in a playoffs.

If he hits the ball on the right-hand side of the line that goes to first base, it's a foul. If he hits the ball on the left-hand side, it's fine. So that's really weird, man. Like you, this is where fans get upset because it's a discretionary call. It's not an easy call to make. You got a playoff guy that won the race. You got a non-playoff guy who, like we said, has a last. lot to gang could still finish top 10 in points.

But man, that thing's out of bounds. If it's out of bounds, it's out of bounds. With one to go, do away with the damn rule. You know what I mean? If they tear up 20 cars, they tear up 20 cars. But I can see why fans were upset. I mean, I do have a dog in the fight. Ryan Blaney winning the race yesterday hurt my chances of advancing into the round of eight.

But as a fan, I understand why people are upset. CJ, what do you think? I think the difference to me is, I think each one of them, when they started going low, there was a car inside of him or a truck inside of them. The 51 was passing, what's just a solder's number? 13. Okay, 51's passing a 13.

13 just keeps going left. Like, he's not, like, and the 51 ends up lifting. The 51 lifts, because he gets passed by another car. So he lifts. And the 13 just keeps on going down there. All four on the flat, I mean, all four, like we used to qualify, all four on the flat and then comes back up late like he's basically saying i'm all in on this you're not passing me and and keeps on going i watched um i watched the replay and i watched it live too

and i saw the six start to come down on blaney and blaney wasn't below the line yet um to me ryan ran blaney as low as he could and then blaney gave as much as he could without spinning him out and then they both went back up. But he went below the yellow line. He was a half a car. But, I mean, the reason... The reason I say he was forced there. Johnny wasn't forced there.

Johnny went down there by himself. Ryan was forced there. And if Ryan was forced there... So the difference is the cars are different. If Ryan was forced there, then Ryan Newman should be put out. He should not have finished where he finished. Well, yeah, I mean, that's a different story. But I mean, I think...

Something caused it. Meaning there should have been a panel. no matter, whether it be Ryan Newman or Ryan Blaney, right? Is that what you're saying? If out of bounds is out of bounds, and if that guy went below the yellow line, whether it was his accord or not his accord, there's a call to be made there. I don't think there's a call to be made. I think it stinks because it's not black or white because to me, these guys are racing

really hard. He tried to pinch him. This is where fans get upset, though, because it's a discretionary call. And they're going to get upset no matter what anyway. Whether they black flag one or the other, they're still going to be upset fans. I've noticed that no matter what. Of course they are. I mean, you're for your team against your team.

These two guys were racing back to the line, realized they ran out of room, corrected it, and race side by side across the line for the win. I mean, to me, when I watched Johnny, Johnny basically slammed the door and kept going. And was like, nobody's passing me. And Johnny didn't have anybody outside of him. Johnny had no reason to keep on going down there. No reason to it. Why?

Why did he keep going? I mean, who... Yeah, but I mean, why did he keep going? You know what I mean? The 51 are already lifted. why did he keep going down there? To me, Blaney went down until he realized, and then Ryan moved back up, and he moved right back up.

I mean, they were hooked with each other. So to me, two guys realized, and I don't want to see somebody get turned right there because I know where they end up. And I don't want to put the drivers in a situation where they put Brad in the one time. They took a win away from Regan because he got ran down there

and stayed there and crossed the line first, and they took the win away. Next time we had that scenario, the guy doesn't go down there, and a guy ends up almost in the stands. And I don't want anybody that goes to that racetrack to be in a situation like that because I saw two guys race for the win,

realize they were about to get in trouble, correct it, and race across the line side by side. So that's the way I saw. The other one I saw a guy go down there and just basically say, I don't care. I'm going here.

See, to me, I see it completely different. I see it as they both committed penalties. The other one was just more of a personal foul. like Johnny's was way over the top. The other one was still, if that is an invisible plane that is the yellow line rule, when you break it, that's an out of bounds call. Somebody has to make the call. Now, if you don't improve your position or whatever, it's a completely different deal.

But this guy won the race by doing that. But he also didn't flip somebody. And if Newman pushed him down there, then Newman's got to be kicked out. Well, then that's, I don't think you can blame the guy on the inside that it gets shoved down there because all he's doing is preventing a serious injury possibly. I don't want to see a wreck either. But to me, somebody's to blame for the picture that I saw. If you blame the guy in the bottom, we're going to start flipping cars again.

Of course you are. And I don't want to see that. I saw two guys adjust to it. Give it back. You know what I mean? You know what I mean? Can't give it back. Coming to the check.

Well, I mean. They're not a such thing. You know what I mean. They corrected it without one going way out of bounce. I mean, they're racing a 200 mile an hour here. And they came across the line. I think it's a no call. I agree with it.

I mean, it was a great race across. No matter which one of, wins. I mean, to me, it was two guys getting all they could get and, um, without being blatant about it. Without being blatant. Um, the other one they took away, the guy clearly went all four down there and didn't even need to. Right. Both of them didn't, the two times they took it away, the guy didn't need to go there. Who was the other kid? What's his name? Haley? Justin. They took it away. He didn't need to go down there. Johnny did not need to go down there. Yeah. Did Blaney? Absolutely. If he doesn't, he hooks Ryan, you know, but they didn't go, they didn't commit like, we're racing all the

grass here, you know, and I think it was a good race. It was a great race. It was a great ending. The fact that we're still talking about it makes a good one. Yeah. Next topic, TJ, this one is definitely for you. I didn't see it. Contact between... Joyce Neckleses must not have worked. He didn't see it either. I can't see this paper. Alex Bowman and Joey Logano triggers the first big one. Spot on, spot off, T.J. Spot off. I mean, you don't like to see it. You don't want to see the big one. Nobody wants to see it. I thought the racing was, man, it was intense at that point. It was coming out of the end of the stage. It was intense.

There was cars getting big runs. We were linked up with you. We had Brad behind you. And shoot, we were both going to be, and we were going to be racing at that stage too. For sure. I mean, we're going to be racing. That's what the fans are there to see.

But when three cars are lined up bumper to bumper in your mirror, and they're clear and there's nobody inside of them that disturbed their, you know, getting their quarter panels or their doors or anything and slow that line down, and pull you apart, you are flying. Like you are, you're hauling, you can't block that run. Like you can't block it. When that's happening, the best thing you can do is maybe stay up to the outside, let them get on the inside, or like what Ryan did it is in the race, stay on the bottom. And when they get beside you, try to pull them apart.

Get up there in their door. Try to pull them apart. That's the chest smash that goes on here. You can't be swerving. You can't swerve. And I've told Joey before when I've seen runs coming, I say, hey, there are three back. there's three of them that's not blockable. Like, we can't block this run.

Because if you do, two things are going to happen. You're either going to get, this is what, this goes back to like what Brad was saying. When you, if we run into the back of the 88, like if he blocks us good, you run into the back of us. The two runs into the back of him, and one of us is done.

If not all. If not all, we are all done. And the guy that's, the block drives off into the sunset, and he's like, oh, good block. You know what I mean? Like, you just can't, you can't block some of these runs.

And it was just a misjudge. I mean, they didn't, Alex, whoever, they don't want to cause that wreck. You know, they're racing for the, they're racing for the end of the stage as well. They're in a points battle. They're trying to maximize their points day. And that's just a product of this racing. There's a lot of moving parts at one time, and it only takes one little thing to disrupt all that and cause a big wreck. So.

I blame Chevrolet because Alex was by himself. Where was 13 buddies at? I'm being sarcastic, obviously. Clearly. Yeah, but I'm a spot off. because those, I mean... If he had his 13 friends in line, you wouldn't have been able to hit him.

When this happens, the fans lose. Yeah. So I don't like to see it, but it's part of it. And, you know, some of the fans go there because this happens. This is what they go to... I hate to say it, but this is...

They go for the big one. You go there because there's a possibility of a big wreck. You want to... I hate it, but people want to go there and see it and if it happens. When you listen to our audio, and I can't say every spotter,

but when you listen to guys that are used to leading these kind of races. You'll hear us saying, don't get out there too far. How are you getting out there too far? And that I think is what happened to the A-D. He was out there too far. The run was too big.

He made the block. I talked to Kevin Hamlin. He was assisting him and making the blocks. It's kind of our job as long as we think it's not going to get us wreck, right? And it just didn't work. It's part of the product that's plate racing. Yeah, and I hate the fact that Kevin's taken to blame for it because, look, there's so many moving things at one time.

You're going 200 whatever mile an hour. Yeah. I mean, things close up fast, and this is just part of- The runs yesterday were definitely happening quickly. It was made it fun. There's more unblockable runs now than there was a year and a half ago. I agree. When we won the spring race last year, we probably could,

I knew exactly where to put Joey to stop every run almost that came to us. I knew where to put them to stop all that. Now it's like, oh, there's one I'm clear. two of them. We're not going to be able to block these guys. Just be ready to slow them down. Be defensive if you can. Next one. Chevy teams meet during the rain delay to discuss the drafting strategy, and Jim Campbell reportedly wanted one single file line of Chevy's. Brett, spot on, spot off.

Spot on, man. That's a great PR move, right? I mean, he called a meeting, and I think he got a lot of press out of it. And, you know, I never really saw this plan prevail. I think this is a great plan for pit windows getting on and off pit road. At the end of the day, man, we've all got a lot on the line. And I don't care if it's a Chevy, Toyota, Ford, or who's with me, as long as somebody's with me. And here's the thing, man, here's the funnel, right? We don't race without OEMs.

You know, our OEMs are extremely important to us putting a product on the track. Chevrolet, Toyota, Ford, they bring a lot to the table for these race teams. but when you break it down, they're not all A teams. Chevrolet has Hendrick, they have Gannasi, they have RCR, and then these other Chevrolet teams are making all these demands out of. What are they really doing for them? Giving them sheet metal? Because they're not giving them one tonne of time.

They're not doing all the other things they're doing for these A-level teams. Same for Toyota, right? Toyota's got its big team, which is Gibbs. There's really isn't another Toyota team. You know, Ford has Stuart Haas, Penske, and then Rausch. You know, I mean, that's kind of the Penske, Stuart Haas is probably their A team. Rouse is B plus after that. But OEMs are extremely important.

Well, then you have the organization, Penske, Stuart Haas, Hendrick, whoever that is. Then within that, you have the team, the 14 team. Then within that, you have the driver, Clint Boyer. At the end of the day, when this thing is coming down to the end of stages and the end of the race, the only people that wants to win is every single driver. If you think Bubba Wallace is going to stay in line to push Alex Bowman to win a race, he's not going to. That's why he's made it to the Cup Series because he wants to win the race.

So you can't micromanage these races. That's what I feel like. I think that was the anti-PR feel for me. This guy can't. Jim Campbell can't tell us how this is going to play out. If he's so smart, he'd have told us who was going to win a race before the race started. Well, I think they probably, I mean, they were trying.

But, you know, like you said, you can't, like it looks good on paper. Looks really good on paper. Hey, you guys all line up, you know, nine, 88, 24, 48, then, you know, 3, 8, you guys all line up. Nobody, you guys all just stay right with each other. They'll never beat us like that. Well, the problem is, is you get lined up there and you're running the middle,

bottom, whatever. The other lane starts moving. Those cars pull you apart. Yeah. And then you start gap, getting gaps, and then that lane moves. And then everything gets shuffled. As soon as somebody puts somebody three wide, one of them cars is out of line. And this package has evolved enough now that I don't know if,

those cars obviously had the hinder cars were obviously the straight pure speed great by themselves um but man you the race started man it wasn't you couldn't you couldn't do what was happening before it's great to have team there and i think teamwork now is greater than it's ever been um but still man it's it's it's a battle man and it's it's evolved enough that it's it's super racy now and guys that don't have a lot on the line that are or a guy like stenthouse racing for a job more than likely somewhere. Right, no, for sure. And he showed it.

Yeah. He was proven it. He's out there like, look, I'm racing for a job. But he was also, I will say he was great help. He was very, he was a great help in that race, for us at least. I never once looked for Stuart Haas racing teammates in that race. And it's because I was never really around them. I literally looked at Penske as the guys that I wanted to have around me because they were the guys

that wanted to be up front that were racing aggressively. I was with the two and the 22 pretty much all day until I had the, the tire go down. I was calling Stuart Hoska's teammates. So that pull your teammates, pull, I was, I was using them as teammates.

Yeah. Like, it was like, there's a loyalty there, you know. Yeah. And it, but it goes back to Dale Jr.

Michael Walter. Those guys want a lot of races together because they stayed loyal to one another. Because what happens is you're going to get screwed in the draft. But if you have somebody that's willing to pick you up, it unscrews you really fast. Yeah. That's what's happening with these alliances.

Or when somebody makes a move on you to hang you, you know what I mean? Like you're a guy makes move on you. You got your guy right there. Here it comes. And that's what Dale Jr. Michael did. They were the first ones to really do this and perfect it, and they won a lot of plate races during the era,

being very loyal to one another, which was really being loyal to their team. Yep. They started it. Brett, you tweeted that all the Chevy spotters were standing next to each other on the roof? So I landed and had already heard, you know, comments that there were spotters that had been there

that taped their place off, right? So I was like, well, I guess we'll go, look. And typically this doesn't matter, Jason, because we already kind of know where we stand, but this is a plate race. It's extremely important. It's a new stand, too. Where we're going to go, right?

And because it's a brand new stand, nobody knows where they're going to stand out. I've stood beside Joey Meyer at plate races, Daytona, Talladega, for as long as I can remember. And he and I are no longer going to stand together because our stand is gone. It's a new stand. So I get there, and TJ had his little four spots taped off.

Rocky Ryan, who spots for... Who's he spot for? Front row. Reagan? David Reagan, who did a hell of a job yesterday. Rocky Ryan had taped off about 10 spots. And then Chevrolet had taped off 14 spots. So when I get to the racetrack, 27 or 28 spots out of 38 have already been reserved.

And I'm like, what the fuck is this? We're a bunch of grown men. Can't we get here and establish where we're going to be? Or why doesn't NASCAR step in and have a method which we used to? You would qualify. And then once you qualify, based on where you qualify, you got to pick where you stand. Well, as it all kind of got figured out, it was like, you know what? I'll just keep standing here.

and this was a long time ago. But when we get to a place like that, everybody's looking for a competitive advantage, but to have a motor coach driver and have whoever did it for Chevrolet, tape off all those spots, like, how childish is this? To me, I was just like, what the, what is this?

When you got to the rail, and as soon as you got to the walk, ducked a little walkway up to it, it was from there all the way to the right, just marked off, like. Chevrolet blocked half the roof. Yeah. And then Rocky had blocked half the Chevrolet.

relay drivers that he's buddies with, well, they didn't need his spots. It's just, to me, it's just a childish mess. And I just literally like, just what the, what is this? It's going to be like that anytime we have a new spotter stand, which we don't have any coming anytime soon. So life goes on. Anyway. T.J. I want to get your thought on one more tweet.

Todd Gordon told Sirius XM's Monday morning that the 22 team monitored some other teams radios and heard Larson and Johnson being advised to avoid working with Joey Lugano in the draft. Yeah, I mean, call him me. surprised. Is it like the Todd Gordon, the one monitoring the channels to hear that stuff? It's engineers. Yeah, engineers.

I mean, you're hurting yourself, though, man. I mean, if I'm a Chevrolet guy and I know that 22 is as fast as he is and he's going to help me, me not helping him is only hurting me. Yeah. You know what? This is not the first time that I've been asked about this. To me, this is a huge compliment. You know, thank you for not wanting to help somebody like that.

That's a huge compliment that I. I'll take it as a compliment. No sense getting mad at it. I mean, I didn't expect help from them anyway. But if they don't want you up there, there's a reason they don't want you up there. But you're right. There's two ways you can approach it.

Do you push that guy out there because he's going to be there and then maybe try to shuffle him or just don't help him on your way there because he's probably going to find his way there. He's probably going to find his way back up there. He's going to find his way there. So you might as well ride the train while you can. Joy is too good in the draft and his car is too fast to not find his way up there. Terrible approach.

Yeah. Thank you for the compliment. Ross Chastain announced full-time to the Collegg racing in 2020. Brett, I want to get your thoughts on that. We couldn't hear this a couple weeks, a week ago. I don't know, man. We've got to get better sources around here. Yeah, I mean, obviously a very exciting time for Ross and colleague.

Collegg wanted to field a full-time car there. Matt Collig made it known in Charlotte after he won the Roble that he expected to have Ross full-time in 2020. And for those guys to announce that today, I make it officials great. Neutriatic Solutions is staying on board with them. I saw for 23 races, races, which is wonderful for them to. Majority of the season. Majority of the season. And when you see new sponsors coming in, man, it's a big testament to how powerful

our platforms are. But this is a redemption for me for Ross. I mean, we saw him last year really get screwed at the 11th hour of the season, you know, literally going into 2019. So he's got a chance to come, coming to an organization where he's already won a race. like that's got to give him some confidence. He's in the car this weekend at Kansas. I think you'll see those guys. He's going to definitely run Kansas, Texas, potentially Homestead, if they can find some sponsorship there. Because as you well know, next year,

Homestead's very early in the season. And Atlanta's very early in the season. So running these mile and a halfs now kind of gets you jump started for next year. I mean, we can't test anymore. So these races now, because Ross is 20-20 full time, it's a real race test for this race team. You know, it's, I'm spot on for a colleague because this is going to be, this is their chance to get a guy with a lot of experience in their stuff every week and fine tune it. I kind of, I kind of hate it for Ross because he went from, you know, an A car, probably going to win a handful of races this year to no car to part time. Now he's kind of, he's taking another step back, but Ross is not, he's done this before. He's he, this is, you know, this has kind of been the Ross's path. He's kind of, he gets two steps forward or one step forward, then two sets back.

But this is, you know, I'm spot off for that he's got to step back again. But Ross is giving them a chance to grow with each other and maybe form something really good down the road. So I'm spot on for both these guys doing that. I just, you know, Ross is half and it's good for Ross and bad for Ross because Ross probably has other opportunities. I don't know what they are, but. I don't know. It's, to me, Ross is an overachiever. He's a guy, you know, it's going to give you 100% going to give you a chance to win.

I mean, he's the one guy running all three series. Yeah, he's nuts. He's crazy, right? He's harder to get a hold of than President Trump, I told him the other day when I was trying to text him about something. But when I look at Ross, he finished second and stage one at Daytona, the very first race he'd ever been with his team. He won stage two, the very first race he'd ever been with his team. He ended up finishing right outside the top ten because of the way things played out. But he contended to win the season open.

the season opener with a brand new race team that he'd never worked with. And then went back out and won the race in Daytona, led over half of it. So to me, he's a guy that's making a good move for his career. And colleague is on the way up. So it's a perfect time to marry one another. Let's take a break and see what's coming up this week on the Dale Jr. Download. The Dillner Download. Listen up.

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Three racing questions. One off the wall. question. 30 seconds to respond to each. Only 30 seconds. How are you going to start some talking? Good luck. Fast lane. First question. Clint Boyer and Joey Lugano were among the drivers to hook up in tandem draft on Monday. Do you think tandem drafting could make a comeback in the Cup series? T.J. Ah man. I definitely think guys took notice, but I know when we go back to Daytona, Daytona is more of a handling track than Talladega is, so I believe it'll be harder there. and I think it's also going to matter what type of car you're in

because it seems to be a little, it seems to be car sensitive with ridges and where the ridges are on the cars. So that could play into a factor as well. I'm just very thankful NASCAR hasn't interjected themselves into this process in the Cubs series and doesn't say locking bumpers is illegal. What I saw for us yesterday being the 14 car,

look, everybody can get tandem on restarts because you're all coming up to speed. But what I saw for us is we could be at full speed, get tandem with the car in front of us, really be able to make moves. What that does is it pulls the line behind us, it pushes the car in front of us, it makes the package more racy. So I hope NASCAR leaves this rule along. Do I see I'm making a comeback to the point that we used to have it?

Absolutely not. But I do see it as something that you could see happen for a couple three laps at the time in an ideal world. Yeah, for sure. It worked well. I mean, it worked well. You could get about five, seven car lengths in front of the group. the problem is when you come apart here they come

so I mean I think it's great the way it is right now I don't want to get back to half and tandem the whole time but I think it's cool that two cars can actually get locked up and get up to the lead but not drive all the way away because I like the fact that if something happens and it's a risk-first reward thing there you know if you do it

it's going to get iffy here in a little bit but I thought it was cool that it could happen Alex Bowman said because of what Dale Jr. called the giant ass spoilers, it's hard to even look through the clear Lexan because the cars shake so much. How much should drivers rely on their mirror versus listen to their spotter when making tight moves and blocking runs? Brett. Man, if you don't have a spotter you can trust, you're not going to be a good plate racer. And I hate to say that in a way that makes TJ and I sound more important than maybe what we are.

But, you know, Freddie said that Bubba said he couldn't even see anything behind him except for the color. of the roof of the car. So he had no idea who was behind him. So I think in that situation, you really need a spotter you can trust. You obviously need a spotter that knows what they're doing. You have to have that to get to the front, and you certainly have to have it once you get to the front to stay in the front. Yeah, I think, you know, it's still a huge part of what these drivers are looking for.

If you got somebody they can give a lot of info, Joey, we'll go through everything before the race. He tells me where exactly he can see out of the mirrors and where he wants more info. And even after we had some damage, he changed his visibility some. So I was having to give him gaps off the side of the car more because he couldn't see it as good. So

you definitely want to have somebody that can give you a lot of info, very accurate, very quick. I look at guys like Eddie DeHont Chase Elliott, Josh Williams, and Ryan Blaney. And they've now been working with their guys

for three or four years. And you've slowly seen. Look, anybody can win a restricted plate race if it's their day. I mean, we've seen that happen. Derek Cope, Trevor Bain, whoever that may be. But to watch these guys consistently run up front to consistently take the lead, contend to win stages and win races. It's because of that relationship.

Kurt Busch showed up with Tony Raines. They'd never worked together. They won the Daytona 500. I don't recall them having a lot of other success. But when you see these younger guys building on that, even William Byron yesterday, you know, you see him running in the front more with Tab Boyd, Like, that's something that you just have to have that relationship. T.J. I'll tell you, you may get one lucky race,

but if you're going to do it week in and week out at these plate tracks, you better have a damn good spotter. Yeah. Since we've seen Joey Lugano get into Matt Kenseth before in the playoffs at Kansas Speedway, which driver below the cutoff line you think would most likely get into the leader in order to win in advance? T.J. Oh, man.

I mean, I could really anybody if they're in that situation. I mean, your season's on the line. And I hope it doesn't come down to somebody, you know, needing to wreck somebody to win. You know, but if you know of a way to move the guy and get position on them to win the race, I fully expect somebody to do it. When I look at seventh and eighth and points, which is kind of realistically the two guys that are most in jeopardy to fall out,

if not realistically, the only two guys that are in jeopardy to fall out. They're not both going to fall out. But one of them could, and if he's going to fall out, it's going to be because he had a very early race problem, because those cars are too fast. They're going to run too well in both stages and at the end of the race to lose 20 points to a guy like Alex Pullman. So for me, looking at Bowman, Chase Elliott, Clint Boyle, William Byron,

man, I'm sorry. T. T.J. and I've talked about it before. You do what you've got to do to win these races, and I'm damn sure going to do what I've got to do to get in a round of eight. Off the wall question. The Philadelphia Flyer. opened a rage room at its stadium where fans can pay $35 for a five-minute rage session,

smashing things to take out their anger. Which pro-sports team fans do you think could benefit most from having this at their stadium? Brett. I think could have been Georgia on Saturday. I think they were pretty upset, man. You know, I mean, week in, week out, I would have to say in history, it would have been the Cleveland Browns or the Buffalo Bills. But, man, those two teams are, they got some hope. The Browns crapped the bed against Sunday.

Seahawks this week. They had a nice little league going and blew it, but, man, I don't know. Buffalo probably would have been a good contender till recently, right, T.J.? I don't think the... You know, they're crazy as hell in the pregame. Yeah, but they don't get mad like that and fight people and do things like that. I think the best team this is going to be for, and you may well, you need to just go ahead and build it and get it ready is the Patriots for when Tom Brady retires. Because when Tom Brady retires, welcome to the bottom of the AFC East.

Yeah. No. I think they'll build up. Dude, I don't think they can be that bad. The AFC East is, I think you and I could build a team that go compete in the AFC East. It's pretty weak. These people don't realize, including this bozo behind us here, he doesn't realize how good Tom Brady really is. Oh, I think we can build back up.

Okay. You know how many teams have been looking for franchise quarterbacks for 20 years? You don't just, this guy doesn't come along. He doesn't realize. We're going to get Trevor Lawrence. What? No, you're not. But the thing is, TJ, I think Tom Brady is 40, what is he, 43?

Yes, he's old. Look, I'm 44. I've got elements all over my body. I got places I hurt. I didn't even know I had on my body. I've had shoulder surgery, I broke my ass. But why I think Tom Brady is still so good at his age is because he's in a conference where they can't even hit him.

They can't get to him because the conference stinks. I will say this. The only, it's not that. He's just that good. I've watched a lot of Bill's games. Tom Brady has one of the quickest releases in the NFL. The ball was out of his hand. He only plays three hard games a year.

Well, probably. Yeah. Don't play many hard games. So he gets the ball out and like his internal clock when he needs to get rid of the ball and he knows where he's going. He knows his first three reasons. That ball's gone. And he don't sit there and wait like the rest of them do or make a bad decision.

Jason, I think TJ wants a Tom Brady T-shirt. Yeah, I'll find one on Christine Auction for you. We'll find some kerosene too and some matches. Well, all right. Speaking of kerosene and matches, did you guys see the video from the Tall Degger infield of the fire table and the guy jumping. on the table. Is that the guy that got off and was on fire? Barstool Sports tweeted that guy who jumped into the fire table and he was on fire. What an idiot.

Is that what Tal'Dagin Fields like? I've never been there. Yeah, it's not. That kind of stuff. It's called Talladega Boulevard within the infield. They don't drink White Claw in there, Jason. Oh, really? They drink Moonshine, brother. You're not going to drink White Claw. You've got to build up your game before that one. People, I mean, this is, don't do that. Look, I realize you're partying and having fun, but don't do that. Ever. Look, I mean, that's, that's, you know, that's, ever. Look, look, I mean, that's a lot of fire and you can hurt yourself. Don't have injuries at last past the weekend. Yeah.

Serious injuries. I mean, these racetracks are a great time to go and bring and hang out with your friends and get together with other race fans. You know, oh, you're a fan of Kyle White. You know, it's just, that's what it's about, man. It's because of that. And, and, uh, but don't, don't get dumb. Like, that's, don't. I think race fans are so honest. I mean, listen, I've been going to racists since I was four years old. And, we would set up our camp spot, man, with our food and our coolers and literally all your belongings, your standups, your flags. Not one thing was ever locked up.

You didn't lock your RV at night when you went to sleep. You didn't lock it up when you walked off to go see your buddies. Race fans are honest good people. That's my favorite part about it. One thing I like about race fans is too is every week somebody comes up to you and says, hey, man, I love listening to your podcast. Or they tweet us and say, hey, spot 30 cooking chicken wings. Oh, I got to tweet this last week, and some guy invited us,

out there to go have some of the best wings we could ever have. And I mean, to me, that's cool, man, to have people just, they're going and doing their own thing, but they all, you know, it's just cool to have that. We need to pick a weekend where we, we're not doing an Xfinity car and go out there. Go out there and, yeah, take a picture and eat chicken wings. But it's cool that people think to say, like, hey, we're going to cook at this time, come get some barbecue, come get some wings. I mean, race fans are awesome.

They are awesome. I mean, Martin's a weekend. I can come up for that one, too. Take advantage of the wings of people are giving you. You're trying to sell something free. You're in college and broke. I know how that is. All right.

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That if you get her on You have to do something with it Or you're dropping 12 spots TJ I mean you don't know what your loss is going to be Most of the time I mean this thing is so fluid And there's so many pieces moving

And it'd be almost impossible for me To sit here and tell you Whether I think it's a good run or not to take I'd have to see I'd have to see what build up to to create it, what's going on at the time, who's been helping who. There's so many things that build up to this on whether it's a good run. But I mean, a lot of times if you got a good run and you know it's going to get you 12 spots,

that's a big jump right there. You've got almost take that. But, I mean, that's not the way it was this last weekend, though. You know, if you got 12 spots, you got 12 spots, you got 12 spots too. It was more, okay, I'm not doing it unless I can take my buddies with me. Right. So, just different. I saw Matt in the 95 car.

a huge run on the leader going into three and four and he stayed right in line with him and I was really surprised because I felt like that was a pivotal moment in the race where he could have potentially took the lead and really had a chance to go win it. Then I saw the 10 car going down the backstretch getting into three on the very last lap as the 11 and 6 were catching them. I would have highly encouraged my driver to make that block and get that push because then you can blow by the leader which was Blaney and Blaney's not going to have a whole lot of help behind him and for whatever reason the 10 stayed in line there. So I mean look we I'm out of the race, it's easy for me to watch the race and tell you what I would and wouldn't do,

but the reality is if you make a move for the lead and you don't get help, you are screwed. Yeah, for sure. At NASCAR Shell asks, why were so many hood flaps getting stuck open and flying off in this race? I think there were at least three. Never seen that many in one race. Is it the spoiler arrow package this year? Brett?

So those roof flaps are intended to deploy when the car is turned around backwards and is in turbulent air and they're used to keep the car on the ground. And they do a good job. They do an amazing freaking job. Those things have been a tremendous success on the innovation side of safety and the sport. But what you're seeing there is just turbulent air, man. I mean, the air is skipping over the car and it's coming at it from a different angle

because we're all running so close. And that's just, I mean, there's not much, a whole lot you can do there. Yeah, and these cars have evolved. The ones on the hood are supposed to come up to let air out from underneath the car so it doesn't pick the car up. So those are supposed to flap up and be gone, really, if need be. You know, that's to keep air from trapping underneath the car. So then that's the reason why these things are so low in the back. That's why they're so low and like this, because when we used to spin out, air used to get under the back of the car and pick the back of the car up and flip them.

Now we get spun out. And the only time somebody really gets airborne is when they're sliding sideways and they get hit again. Yeah. It's almost like that jolt kind of jolt kind of jolts the car up enough for air to get underneath it, but otherwise NASCAR's done a really good job of keeping these things on the ground, barring, you know, circumstances that you just can't control, you know, I'm pretty confident if you spin out by yourself doing 200 any of these places right now, you're not going to flip over. Now, if you're spinning and wrecking and somebody hits you at an odd angle, they can't predict. Like Brendan gone yesterday. Yeah, you can't predict that. So I think they've done a really good job of making these cars very safe. And on the, we don't see many flips anymore. No. We don't see many. Every plate race we used to go to 15 years ago, you were ready. Somebody was going to flip. Somebody's going to flip. So that was just part of it. I've had three drives.

I've had three races where my guy flipped. Elliot twice, Clint once. I've had two, maybe. Maybe. They're a long time ago, though, nothing recent. Yeah, nothing recent. R. Weinstein asked, the damage clock was put to the test that Talladega overall. How do you guys feel like the rule has helped or hurt teams?

TJ's team was on the damage clock yesterday. Yeah, we used all of it, too. I think it's done good. You don't have those cars that come out there and can, you know, it saves the team's money because they don't go back there and rebuild the whole car for two points, if that. You know, everyone's on the same playing field with. If you can't fix it in five minutes, I mean,

it's probably, I like how it's went. I mean, I think it's done good. You don't have these huge crash carts, where you, you know, that everybody was restocking every week. If you tore the nose off, you know, I think it's, and if it's, if it's, what are they, mechanical problem, like it's something like that. Yeah, you can go fix it because it wasn't a wreck. That, that I think's fair.

You're not rebuilding the whole car. You're changing a gear like we had to or something like that or, you know, other than a motor, but I think this, I think it's been good. You don't have those cars beat all up out there. I mean, you have a few that, like, we were pretty beat up. We were actually okay still. the guys did a great job getting the car back to where it was good but we don't have those cars that are just all rebuilt way off the pace you know possibly in the way i think that's the key is

a they're not in the way but b they're also not a real high risk for a debris caution as you've got 10 to go and all of a sudden you've got a guy 40 laps down that something falls off his car yeah and now you're throwing a caution for that and you screw the whole end of the race up because of that So that's what I'm the most proud of with this particular rule is it keeps the beaters in the garage. If you can't get out here and make minimum speed and do so in the five minutes or six minutes, whatever it is. You probably don't need to be out there. It wasn't your day. All right.

Best question wins. Offer Pad DBC T-shirt. Who gets it this week? Why that last one? All right. He did a good job. I'll send him a message. Next week we'll get ready to buy a t-shirt.

I got a bunch of T-shirts in my garage. And then keep sending some reviews in an Apple podcast. When you do include your Twitter handle or your email or Instagram, and then we'll be able to contact you or you can tweet a screenshot of the review from Apple Podcasts to me at Hey, Jason Schultz. And I will see it and be able to read him some off on upcoming episodes. Hey, was that the guy that some guy came up and said he was mad because he's been trying to get a question in forever and you never pick him, Jason. I think he did. And then his question was something about whether Chris Rice was on the southern side or northern southern side.

of the Burton household or something random like that. But send in some creative fun questions and we'll pick them. Anything going to rant about? No, I don't have a rant, but I do have something I think is huge fire industry that's happening this week. You know, on Friday, NASCAR is expected to finish its acquisition with ISC. And I think when you look at that, man, that is a gigantic step for the sport, for the industry, for the sanctioning body, for them to have full control of all the properties

that ISC owned and a lot of those properties. I mean, they probably make up half of our schedules. So when you look at the culture of the tracks and the culture of the sanctioning body should now become one because you'll, hey, look, it's going to take some time. But when you've got a guy like Steve Phelps, who is at the top of the NASCAR pecking order,

and now he'll be at the top of the racetrack pecking order as well, I could see a lot of centralized efforts happening from a marketing perspective and a media perspective to really benefit these tracks, to see a lot of consistency across a lot of markets. I'm a marketer. I enjoy marketing. I think that this is going to be a great move for the sport, and I think the fact that NASCAR is taking this on is wonderful for us, and I think it's going to happen on Friday,

which means ISC will come off the stock exchange, and then next week they'll be a privately-owned company, 100%. DBC Picks has concluded for the fourth straight year. Brett has taken home the championship. Oh, I just gave you that championship, and I took the other one. I took the real one. That's four in a row, man. Every year.

We got to come up with a new game next year. Maybe a little bit, a little more competitive. You still want to pick guys for the last five or so races? I mean, I don't care. I'll take Larson. You think Larson wins Kansas? I think it's a track where he can excel at. Yeah, he's obviously already locked into the next round,

can take some chances, can be aggressive with, the setup with aggressive with pit strategy. I feel like he was caged up this last week a little bit. Now he was ready to go again. Yeah, yeah. Truex will be tough too. I think they're going to set the world on fire here. So we'll see.

Maybe Clint Boyer is a home track for him. In my opinion, we have to win. You know, if we don't win, we're screwed. Yeah. How many points you out? 20. Well, the problem is you've got to pass three people and your 20 plus points out. And again, you're too fast.

If you don't have a problem, nobody's catching you. You're 24 points back. Without an issue on Brad or us, then you're going to have to win. Did you see without Blaney winning, the points would have been minus four, minus six, minus seven? I had a real good chance, and it's even more fun to look up there. See, you guys talk about alliances. My teammate, Eric Amarola, is who pushed Ryan Blaney across the line. And if Ryan Blaney doesn't win, like you said, I've got a legitimate chance to be able to go in and take that last spot.

Yeah, Blaney would have been in a must-win situation then. I think, wouldn't he? If he finished second? He'd have been right there and would, you know, good points would have been tight. Yeah. Where would we have been? You would have been plus 22 and seventh.

Oh, yeah. Seventh. That'd be good. So that's crazy, man. I'd rather be there. Kansas is a great racetrack. It's a great area, great market. Downtown's fun.

You know, the racetrack has got tons of restaurants and hotels. And I love going there, man. We got to go. Leah looks really mad. Let's kick it. We're off Kansas. Go see Dorothy Toto, click our heels. and hopefully not see a tornado.

Is Clint's dad going to be there? Oh, sure. Pop's a mascot for that track. Lugnut. He comes flying up to me in the middle of the race. I don't know what sweet he was in or where he was. But he was telling me what we got to do, what we got to do. And I was like, Pops, take a deep breath.

Man, you're going to have a heart attack right now. I would have loved that. I said, I already had to tell your boy out to calm down. Now I've got to tell you calm down. Y'all get me all tore up. Where he gets it from. Yeah. Anyway, Kansas will be fun.

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