Door Bumper Clear - 157 - Racing Hard vs. Racing Stupid

Episode Date: October 28, 2019

The playoff intensity level increased Sunday at Martinsville Speedway and TJ Majors, Brett Griffin, Casey Boat and Jason Schultz have a lot to say after it all went down. TJ explains the on-track incident that led to the post-race altercation between Denny Hamlin and Joey Logano, he and Brett discuss the involvement of the pit crew in the scuffle and how these incidents should be handled moving forward. They cover Todd Gilliland telling Kyle Busch to stay in his motorhome after Gilliland’s first career truck series victory on Saturday, Aric Almirola saying he’ll make it hell for Busch in the final three races and Clint Bowyer’s team changing the wrong tire after pitting with a flat. It’s Holla-ween week and the gang shares their costumes and plans before looking ahead to this weekend’s races in Texas.  Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Derville for clear. I'm Casey Boat and Brett and T.J. are back after a wild week in at Martin'sville. They'll cover everything that went down, such as Denny Hamlin versus Joey Legano, Todd Gillilin's comments about Kyle Busch, only three lead changes in Sunday's race, plus much, much more. Let's kick it. Get ready. Be ready. Be ready. Play. I'll watch out for this guy. White flag. Recognize. Hello.

Clear. Bring home. And realize. Coming to the line. George. Buffer. Clear. Woo!

Hey. How's you going? What's up? As you both stare at your phone. I'm looking at a piece of paper. I'm looking at my notes. Well, who are you, TJ? My notes.

Stay off my notes. I'm T.J. Majors. It's part of the 22 Cup car, 99 pickup truck. And, uh, No Infinity car for a while still. Brett Griffin Spiter for Clint Boyer back in the Xfinity series this weekend with Ross Chastain's finale for 2019. He's racing the number 10 car. No truck for me the rest of the year, although they had a hell of a race in Martinsville.

Casey, thanks for coming back. Hey. It was a hell of a truck race. You guys keep being nice and I'll keep coming back. Oh. No guarantees. That's not really true because they're for the pictures thing for a while. Producer Jason's in the booth.

Hello. I was at the truck race. That was one of the best races I've seen in person in forever. You had some great pictures, too. Thank you, Casey. See, when Jason isn't working on the podcast on Monday or Tuesday, he goes and does all this other really cool stuff for his own podcast and kills my own podcast. Kills the content with that. Which podcast is your favorite? Door bumper clear. Yeah, okay. He's about to get fired if you said something. I know. I wore my t-shirt around Martinsville. So it's a lot of fans. I saw that. That was awesome. Actually, I'll say this about Martinsville. Of all the tracks that we go. to Martinsville is a place where more people say, hey to me and they love our podcast than anywhere else we go. Like, I mean, if you're under the grandstand, if you're walking from your car to the track, if you're in the garage, I guess, you know, Greensboro is like the number

one TV market across the country in terms of population versus ratings, right? So maybe it's because we're so close to Greensboro, but that place loves us. Martinsville has a lot of great race fans. Well, they're short trackers. There's a, so around that Virginia area, And, you know, Virginia, North Carolina, that is, like, short track central. It's a honeyhole. Man, there's so many great short tracks around them areas. South Boston, you know, Martinsville, Southern National, Langley, Richmond. There's so many around there.

There's just so many good places, and they love the short tracking. Even when you look at, like, Hickory and Concord, they're not that far from there. It's less than two hours. So if you're a racer and you have... South Hampton Speedway. Southampton, great race track. There's just so many options to go to. And guys in that area can race two nights a week a lot

because they can run one track on Friday and another track on Saturday. And it's just a great area for racing, man. And Martinsville, they do a really good job there. The fans can get really close. Like they let them out. You can get a track. I think you can get like a track front stretch pass maybe or something.

They have a lot of access there. Did you eat any hot dogs? No, I did not. I didn't either. Chris Lambert. He ate like four right before the race yesterday. I saw that. I saw him walk in there and he was just...

Did he do okay? I guess. He made it. Yeah, I guess. So we have a tab at the hot dog stand, right? So we go up and we say what car number we're on and we have to give them the password. And when we give them the password, they'll literally give us whatever we want, right? What's the password?

I'm not telling you guys what the password. Well, they'll probably change it for next time. I can beep it out. Not if it's the same truck driver. Yeah. Truck drivers, yes. The truck drivers make up the password, but then they go over at the end of the day and they close their account out, right?

So I think our hot dog count from Friday was like 60-something hot dogs. That's not bad. I mean, 10 guys, I guess, maybe. But you got to remember, and that's not, that's ridiculously low. I mean, Dillner ate like 60 in one day. It's $2 a hot dog. Yeah, which is impressive. I know.

The prices are so. These are so impressive there. That's how it should be. That's how Adora is, too. Like, they're all... What other track was like that this year that they... Talladega prices were amazing, but you had to buy the ticket to get into the area where it was amazing.

I think the Atlanta Falcons are pioneering prices. And look, here's the reality, T.J. What are they doing? I was talking to John Kraft about this, Freddie Craft's brother up in Martinsville. When NASCAR went out and they bought all these racetracks back, ISC. You know, ISC was a publicly traded company. They had to answer to shareholders.

They're trying to turn a profit. And it's almost a conflict of interest because they're trying to turn a profit, yet they're trying to take care of the fan. Now NASCAR can really get in here and worry about taking care of the fan. They can reduce some of these prices. They can centralize a lot of these things. They can control the fan experience. They don't have to charge $150 for a bad ticket anymore. They can charge $40 for the lower seats.

Well, Martinsville is a prime example of that for the concession stand prices and stuff. Like, that's so reasonable. I was going to the hot dog stand, taking your. Take your son up there. You know you're going to go into the hot dogs saying you're going to get a couple of hot dolls in a drink for less than $15. I mean, both of you. Right. Easily.

Right. And that's how it should be. I mean, sponsors too. I mean, hopefully, like, it'll allow the opportunity to bring in more sponsors at a more reasonable price. Package it up. Yes. You have more value. I mean, they can write a lot of wrongs.

They can, we got really greedy when it was really good times. And now we need to get ungritty and fix it. And NASCAR buying up all this stock and SMI, you know, becoming. coming on public, not a publicly traded company. That's where the big areas for room of approval are. It's not just food either, though. There's, there was across the board. And then now it needs to go back a little bit.

And help, you know, help the fan out, help the person that wants to go, but just can't justify it for them prices and stuff. So I think we're going to the right, yeah, I think we're going in the right direction. I think NASCAR is doing, um, I want to see big things happen quickly. And it's a big ship and hard to turn. They're listening to, like, I've noticed.

when Kip was on the show he was talking about how he looks to see what people are saying and he's taking in things to take time to do and it's a and I've noticed there's a lot of good trends now especially with what the tracks are doing you know and

I just think everything they're turning it the right direction we had an absent president in Brian France he was never at the racetrack now we have Jim France at the racetrack Steve Phelps at the racetrack and Steve Phelps will now have all these tracks reporting into him, just like he does a sanctioning body.

I'm really excited about what the next year could hold in terms of what they can do. And look, I mean, it also gives them an opportunity to do stuff with the schedule, do stuff with the length of the races. Like, they're in control. Competition has gotten a lot tighter. I think it's gotten a lot tighter. Is it hard to pass? Yeah, it's hard to pass.

But you still have the competition. Dude, I see cars that didn't run on the lead lap, run on the lead lap way more. I think the competition is getting tighter. I think the racing is good. And we're fine-tuning it, little by little now. We've got a lot of things solved that were big issues in the news every week. We fix a lot of them issues. We don't talk about that at all anymore.

The big issues, we don't talk about stuff like that at all anymore. Here's the thing to what you just said. What we're talking about now is things that are entertaining, right? It's a fight. It's a finish. It's a wreck. What's not entertaining is hearing that a car is too low on two. And not knowing who won yet.

Right. So the reality is that what we're talking about now during the week is stuff that's entertaining. It's meaningful content. Versus the technical aspect that I'm, look, I'm in this industry. And if a shock breaks and a car's too low, I don't want to wait a Tuesday to hear that crap. Yeah. And the guy keep the trophy. And we've fixed all that.

You notice when we went to this kind of format where we were teching after and stuff like that, a lot of cars got thrown out the first couple times we did it. Yeah. But now it's one or two. Yeah. Which is people, and that shows you that it's not really NASCAR that's doing it. We were, everyone were pushing the envelope. You know, teams were getting away with things and they weren't used to it. Now it's more of a, this is the line.

You're over here, you're over here. We looked like clowns when we were showing up for qualifying on Fridays, and half the cars weren't making it out there for the fans to see them qualify. If I'm a Jimmy Johnson fan and I paid $40 for qualifying, and my guy doesn't even come out of the garage. I'm super confused. I'm super upset, and I may get mad to the point that I don't come back, right? Now we're giving them a chance to qualify, and if they're not legal after qualifying, then we kick them out.

So the fan experience is still there, and it's good that they're listening to whoever they're listening to. I know we were bashing that whole process when it was happening, whether it was on the teams, on NASCAR, on both. It doesn't matter. Our fans are the priority, and they've fixed the problem. I feel like it was both, though, too, because we all push the envelope, and then NASCAR, tries to do the best for everything. And then finally they drew a line and we've all stuck with it. And now we don't even talk about anymore.

Like I said, the stuff we're talking about is meaningful and entertaining. It's not the BS we were dealing with. So good job for handling that and getting that right. Yeah. Casey, what you've been doing? Anything fun? Oh, no, not really. It's kind of working.

It's Halloween week. I'm excited about that. What are you going to do? How do you say it? Boo. Halloween. Halloween. Halloween.

You got current. You got current. It's Halloween. Hopefully you guys don't lose current. It's H-A. Hello. Close not. Halloween. Everybody knows what it is.

They get the point, right? We need a new shirt. Hala. Yeah. You like hot water? Water? No, I don't like saying that word. I think I say it.

Moist? Jason, make us a Halloween shirt. Halloween shirt. We'll do theme shirts next year. Yeah. No word to you. I'm wearing my shirt, hocus, focus, focus. If you could erase one word that just annoys you, what would it be?

moist probably but there was another word that somebody just said like last week and I think I hated it more well C word is the word I hate the most oh yeah like if I say that word it's mean something what's the word you heard I don't remember often think about it you must not hate it that much if you can't remember it what word do you hate to you yeah I don't I mean whatever whatever Patriots current current current Tom Brady yeah Tom Brady do you want to hear about New England Boston Tom and Brady all them.

Those are my favorite words. I'm sure. As far, right up there with Kyle. Nope. I'm surprised you didn't come in wearing your Kyle Bush costume. Do you play Call of Duty or anything, Jason?

I'm not a big video game guy. Jason, did you see where Kyle's motorhome was this weekend? No. Did not. Was it dark when you came out? I did see him walk into the stage after the truck race. Yeah. Greeted.

So that was a little interesting. Did you shoot a video? I feel like we can make die cast of his motorhome and sell it for some reason after Martinsville. Why? True. Do you think that that's possible? Do you think we could sell

Diacast of his motorhome? Oh, yeah. We probably could. That's a great idea. Yeah, we can monetize this whole situation. Deal. I think somebody should get a cardboard cut out of Kyle and Todd put in the front windows of the motorhome.

So it looks like they're driving together. Awesome. Let's roll into this thing, then. What about pristine auction? So we have the Joe Lagan Dicast, we're put out on the table. I'll bring it out in a sec. Also, we have a couple new items we could bid on this week.

We're almost to the end of the season, so maybe get a couple more diecast. There's a couple of cool ones on pristine auction right now. A signed David Pearson diecast or a sign Ned Jarrett diecast, both for $15 right now on there. And I feel like very attainable auction ends tonight so I can bid on it for the rest of the day. Yeah, I like those cars. That's hard to pick from, man. I wasn't listening. Ned Jarrett and David Pearson.

David Pearson. You'd 1,000% go after David Pearson. He's a South Carolina guy. All right. For sure. Casey Duff. One of my favorite all-time drivers. My favorite all-time drivers are David Pearson was my first driver.

And then it was kind of a tie when Neil Bonnet and Dale Earnhardt became my favorite drivers. And then Dale Earnhardt became my all-time favorite driver. And then he wrecked Elliott Sadler at Bristol in 2000. I think if we didn't sit on the pole, we definitely qualified really close to the front. Dale Jr. was on our outside. and Del Senior wrecked Elliot, and Elliot washed up and wrecked Del Jr. And took us both out of the race. We were stuck on the infield because there was no tunnel,

and we had to wait out the whole race. And then Elliot and Del Jr. were walking out of the tunnel. I'm sorry, walking across the track, and they were talking crap about Del Senior. And Del Senior walked up behind both of them and grabbed him by the neck and told him, out, boy. That's frowned upon. The funny thing was, Del Senior told Elliot right before the race, hey, look, man, you got a fast car, you qualified up front,

smart, be patient, and then does senior wrecks him in the first freaking corner. I'm sure you can go back in YouTube. I think it was 2000 in the sicko car. That's awesome. I want to look it up. Oh, you know who, just real quick, you know who I think's funny

and awesome that I'd love to hang out with? Rick Mast. Yeah. Dude, he sounds like he would be fun to hang out with. Yeah, for sure. I follow him on social media, and I never knew, I don't know Rick Mast. I didn't know if I ever been around him.

But he is hilarious. He is. And, yeah. It sounds like he'd be a fun time to hang out. He's got his on podcast. I've listened to it on something that he does with his son. And his son works for the Atlanta Braves. Oh, really?

Maybe we can get him on. Yeah. That's awesome. I like it. Spot on, spot off. Spot on spot off. He's spot off. He's spot off then.

And I'm bold. Spot on. You like it. Spot off. You don't like it. And you say why either way. First topic. And it is a good one.

Todd Gillillan wins his first career truck race. and then says Kyle Busch, you can stay in your effing motor home. Oh, man, spot on, spot off, Brett. He didn't say effing. He said, well, this was what was on the show sheet. So do you know what he meant by saying this, Casey? Go for it. Do you know what he meant?

Yes. What do you mean? It means if he's going to talk crap, then he cannot enjoy celebrating with them. He took and uninvited his car owner to Victory Lane. In my NASCAR career, I've never heard of anyone winning a race and not wanting their car owner there, right? but publicly we all know that Kyle's been overly critical of Harrison Burton, overly critical of Gilliland. And when you say things like,

if you don't win in my cars, a lot of times your career is over because I'm got the best trucks. And if you can't win in my trucks, you suck. That's what he essentially has been saying publicly. Privately, a lot of other things have been going on. So for Todd Gilliland to make this comment, it tells you how frustrated and how pissed off and how he really feels about Kyle Bush. And when I look at this thing, I mean, the only cool thing about it for me was we got Kevin

Hamlin that was spotting for him who got, you know, moved after the whole Natalie Decker thing, right? So he went from spotting for somebody at Rex every week to run a top five a lot and then went in a race. So good for Hamlin. This whole thing, other than Todd winning the race, is spot off because when you have an owner and a driver that can't get along, you have big organizational problems going on.

Yeah, I don't, I don't know if I would, I know he was just, he's young, he was frustrated, like you said, I'm not sure that was, this is the great part about our sport is people get to hear this stuff. We don't get to hear what NFL players are saying when they're walking off the sideline after a failed third down conversion or something. This is the access that everybody has to our sport

that makes it great. You hear this raw emotion a lot. You know, I really don't know if, you know, I know he was just frustrated, but I saw Kyle. I did see Kyle go to Victory Lane, which to me is the right thing to do, man. He went there and congratulate his guy. Sometimes, sometimes a little pressure, like, I'm not so sure Kyle didn't, it's not that he didn't believe in them, but maybe Kyle was like trying to put some pressure on. I'm like, look, man, you need to dig down, find, you know, push him a little further to try to, try to succeed. Maybe that helped Todd dig down and I've noticed improvement in Todd too here lately. You know, he's found he's got, he's picked up the pace a little bit and maybe that's what he needed.

So I don't know what goes on behind closed doors there, but as an owner, if your guys aren't performing, you know, maybe Kyle, that's the approach he took as an owner. And maybe that's what he believes in. He wanted to speak out a little bit and maybe get these kids to do a little bit extra effort and find, you know, dig down and make it happen. And so I hate that Todd at one of the brightest moments of his career had such a negative emotion running through him. To me, I want to win and I want to celebrate and I want, I don't do things in my life for the haters. I do things for the people who have loved me and supported me. Like when people go, oh, this is for all the haters. No, I don't live my life like that because I flip the haters off and I laugh at them, right?

I mean, that's just the way I feel. But I just hate that he's in one of the brightest moments of his life and had such a negative emotion. motion, but it tells us the story of how bad their relationship is right now. And I hope, I truly hope they can fix that. Well, I think he's also so young and he's probably not even realizing. Did you spot off it? I'm just spot off. The situation. I'm spot off on the negativity. I'm spot off on the breakdown and communication. And look, we know some things that the fans don't know, but we also know what the fans do know and that Kyle has been overly critical of these guys. Yeah. And look, when Harrison Burton gets in that Xfinity car,

He runs better than he runs in that truck, which tells me the kid can drive. Yeah. Well, I mean, they're young, man. They got to learn. I will say, you know, I'm spot off because to me, you're burning a bridge right here. Like, that's burning a bridge. And I don't know, you know, who knows what's happening. But maybe this is something that you go talk about later.

I mean, I don't know. That just tells you how bad it probably really is. It tells how bad is my. The one thing I was spot on about this situation. though is Todd sent out an apology and Dell Jr. retweeted it and said, I don't think you mean it. And I agree with Dale Jr. I don't think he meant it either. I think he was speaking

from the heart and it's just bad that his heart was filled with so much pain. He was winning the race and in pain emotionally. Yeah. I mean, Todd's still super excited that he won, but it's heck yeah he is. And honestly this probably this win might even feel a little bit better

now because now he's basically I would think that statement and going back and looking at yourself and listening to yourself, I would imagine he matured a lot between the time he made that comment and this morning. I know, I know, you know, other drivers that have come up and acted similar to that, so. There's a lot of drivers we don't ever see mature. I mean, Kyle Bush, quite frankly, is one of them.

I mean, he still acts the same as he did 10 years ago. This sounds like Kyle. This sounds like Kyle when he was 20 years old. And Kyle when he's 30. So, again, I just, it is what it is. Look, from a fan perspective, it's entertaining, it's part of the story, it gives TV, and all people like us, something to talk about. But again, we just said it.

Now we're talking about fun and entertaining stuff. It's all, I mean, I know it doesn't sound good for Kyle, but this is also just whoever's going to get in that truck next. I don't know what's going to happen, but the truck can win. Yeah. Yeah. Next topic. Clint Boyer cuts down the tire and the team changes the wrong tire before.

heading back out. I'm going to get this one to you, T.J. I didn't know they changed their own tire. I didn't know this happened. I saw you. I don't know how you spot on that. That's not good. We could screw up a two-car funeral right now.

I mean, we just, we can't get anything right. So Clint hit something at some point. And number one, I wasn't aware that he had hit anything in that particular run. It's a short track. Things happen like that quick, too. he starts getting real squarely and saying he's got a tire going down. The left rear to me looked like it was going flat because the left side looked like crap. The right side, honestly, didn't even look that bad in terms of looking like we had hit something.

So I said it was the left rear, which clearly I was wrong. We came down pit road. We changed the left sides only. And I made another mistake while he was on pit road. While he was on pit road, I was focused on calling out the lights that he's supposed to run. because there's four lights around the corner. It's two lights for three pit stalls. It's one light for a dozen pit stalls.

Then we're back to two lights getting into our pit stall. And I was so focused on him not speeding that I didn't take the time to look at the right side tires. So I made two errors. I said it was a left rear. And I didn't look at the right side tires when he's on pit road. But then as a team, we made the wrong decision. We should have put, and look, this is all in hindsight, right? That's the thing.

Admit your mistakes. Go back and figure out where you can get better. And even after 20 years of doing this, there are things that I can learn, such as I did yesterday. But when we pitted, we were 10 laps to go in the stage. We were under green. We should have put four tires on the car. Then we don't have to guess which tire it was for one.

And for two, it puts us wave around eligible. If we take two tires there and go back out and it stays green, the good news is it didn't stay green. We caused the caution when we went back out there because of debris that was flying off our car. But if it stays green, you take the wave around because you got four tires. If you don't only have two, you've got to come back down and put right side tires on. You're going to not get that lap back.

So as we executed that poorly. If Clint hit someone, he screwed up. If he did not hit someone, he did not screw up if they hit him, right? I screwed up saying left rear. I screwed up not looking at the right side tires. Then we screwed up making a wrong call once we got in a pit box. But you were in a similar situation. Even though the laps were a little bit different at Dover, you're trying to get a wave around.

You're trying to be, we're trying to stay out front because we knew if we got a lap there, that's just one more lap you got to make up. And you take everything you can get right now. I know you're still racing for. Which the race for top 10 and points. Yeah. We can get all the way to fifth. Well, we could before we screwed up.

But you have a goal that you're still trying to achieve, and you should. And your team deserves that. And Martinsville is just such a small track where you have so much to focus on in general. There was enough cautions that, you know, even if they did do four right there, they could have waived once, which they would have waived once right there, stayed out. And the tires didn't fall off a ton. You had enough speed where you probably could have hung on for a while and see where it played out. but you never know and you just got to get you got to try to do it get everything you can at the right and i'm not saying this being condescending toward joy legano when i say this but when joy lagano

cut his tire down he knew it and he wrecked his car he spun it out he didn't wreck it he spun it out and he spun it out and he brought out a caution like if i'm going back and looking at that film next year as a driver and as a spotter listen to me we can't say hey wreck your car right they'd probably kick us out of the sport right so looking at film though if i were a driver i would go in there and say, hmm, if I cut a tire, I'm not pitting

and losing two laps. I'm going to spin out and hope I bring out a caution because I think that's the safer play within the game. You know what I mean? So it's,

like you said, though, at Margeville, there's a hell of a lot going on and I certainly screwed up. But I mean, I think that's the fun part of our sport,

the human element, right? And obviously, knowing that you can do this forever and still learn things, learn from your screw ups. Absolutely. Next one. After crashing with Kyle Bush,

Eric Omerola says we've got three more weeks and I'm going to make it hell for him. Spot on, spot off Brett. I'm spot on if he can find him because Kyle's going to run very well at these next three tracks and I think it'll be, you know, Eric's one of those guys still racing for a lot as well. When I went back and looked at that replay, I guess there was an incident leading into Kyle Busch getting mad and when Kyle leaned on his door, it looked like their fenders almost got hooked. And when they got hooked, it ended up wrecking them. It's a weird wreck. It's unfortunate because Eric had a really fast car all weekend and

was going to probably have a really solid top five day. And Kyle took that away from him. Well, now guess who has more to lose? I think what TJ just said about we're still racing for a lot, you say, man, why would a playoff guy screw up a non-playoff guy? Well, it used to be you kind of didn't do that because the top 10 was the chase or the top 14 was a chase or whatever we did for NASCAR. And you remained in that chase the whole time.

And now that's not the case. You get eliminated and you still have a lot to race for. And that's why you see guys like Eric going for it. and if he does make it hell on him, I don't blame him. Yeah, this is the point where, you know, and you've got to pick and choose your battles, man. You can't, you know, they get into it or something at Texas, and, you know, Kyle ends up cutting a tire down on losing a couple laps,

and he finished 25th. That's going to hurt pretty bad. Heard him worse at Homestead. Yeah, or Phoenix, too. If you get there. Yeah. But, you know, minus the playoff guys, everybody still wants to win the race. and Eric had a good enough car that things work out just right.

He's going to have a legitimate shot at winning that race. You get the right laying on a restart. You know, Danny messed up the one couple restart early in a race, and you got away a second. Yeah. And me and you were racing for fifth, sixth, or fourth or fifth, something like that. And next thing you know, you're running second to the 19 of the time.

And it was like, you're on them pretty good. Yeah. If you keep that track position the rest of the day, you're going to have a shot of winning at some point. For sure. So, and these guys all, still deserve to win and want to win. If you don't want to win when you strap in that car,

then you shouldn't be out there. And all your guys want to win too, man. You know how much fun winning in Martinsville is or anywhere. Winning is awesome. And these guys all want to do it still. And they don't, you know, I'm not saying they don't need to lay over for the playoff guys. Yeah, you should maybe give them an extra couple feet here and there.

You don't want to ruin their championship hunt. But you're also racing for a win as well. And I expect that from everybody. Right. Last topic, Denny Hamlin and Joey Logano fight following Sunday's race. TJ, how about you start off by telling us what happened on track that kind of fueled this argument, so to speak? You know, it was a late race restart. We're running the outside, and, you know, the outside off of four was pretty good.

You could really maintain there well and sometimes beat the guy on the bottom off just because there's a patch there. you can it grips up um it wasn't as good off a two but you could really make up some ground off of four and we were doing that and we were starting to inch we we started getting to wear another lap or so i think another lap i think we were going to clear him um but we come off term four and just get denny's on the inside of us and we're just getting our momentum just starting to carry us back by him and we were probably going to go into one you know pretty three quarters of a car in front of him um but he just keeps coming up like we weren't there, you know, and just runs us in the wall. I don't know if he was driving. I don't know what

I'm sure he was trying to get all he could get as well. And I get that. You don't, you're trying, I mean, everything matters right now, but there's a line that you have to stay within, you have to stay within your lane still. You can't just run people into the fence, but he'd just come up and we made contact. He ran us all the way into the wall and, and we kind of got hooked. We come off a little bit and hit him in the door because you're just, when you hit the wall, it kind of hooks you in sometimes, and you're trying to get off of it. But that just flattened our tire,

and we eventually spun out and had to fix it, and we were probably going to finish top five, three to third to fifth, something like that. Where'd you end up? Eighth. Okay, so, wow, you came all the way back to eighth. Yeah, the... That's a solid recovery.

Well, we were... Fifteen cars probably on the lead lap of that time? We restarted of 14th and got to eighth on the last run. Okay. So, yeah, we're able to recover, but, I mean, I don't know, there's a big chance of losing a lot of points. If we, you know, if we don't get a caution, we're two laps down easily. You're probably two laps, one and a half. You're probably two laps down.

And that's probably, what, 15 points right there? For sure. 20 points? For sure. That would put us out. Yeah, yeah. You've got to finish better than 20 second, probably with two laps down. But to me, that's, that's, I mean, I don't know, man.

You just, you got to, you still have to give people room. You know, there's, there's a difference in hard racing and then crossing the line and putting somebody in the fence. But, you know, we just got to pick up and move on. And, you know, we salvage a good day out of it. We'll just go to Texas and Phoenix and worry about ourselves and go there and have enough speed. Hopefully win one of them or both of them and race at Homestead for a championship. There's nothing better than rivalries in NASCAR. It's what we built this whole sport on.

And these guys have a rivalry going on. I mean, you look at their comments back and forth at Dover. And now their comments back and forth. fourth after the race, which led to Joey kind of taking a little small shove at Denny and walking off as he did it. Denny obviously went back after him. I'm spot on for all that playing out. What I'm spot off for is the crew guy who, in my opinion, maliciously attacked Denny Hamlin

from behind, horse-collared him from behind, pulled him backwards at as hard of a pull as you can possibly do on a guy. And in doing so, could have slammed Denny's head into the asphalt. could have re-injured Denny's back and could have ended his season. And when we have a guy that's making $50,000 a year, we don't need him throwing around $10 million guys. Like TJ and I were talking earlier, Denny Hamlin is a franchise guy.

So is Joy Lagano. He's a franchise guy. This guy is not a franchise guy. And he's bringing himself into the conversation in a very poor way. And it was equivalent to me of a sucker punch. If I'm NASCAR, I have a big fine and I have a big suspension. And if I'm Penske, I call this guy in on the carpet and I really score his butt. I mean, Roger Penske just won some big medal from the White House, from the president himself.

So if you're going to like, and there's not a more clean and crisp culture in the NASCAR community than what we have with Penske. I mean, they are really, and TJ, I'll tell you this. I mean, the crew guys are held to a high standard on what they were on the plane, what they were at the racetrack, what their facial hair looks like. this this guy's actions are against everything that that Penske stands for in my mind having been around Roger himself and having seen how they all conduct themselves. I've been in business meetings with Bud Dempke. That's just not how they roll. So I can't see right now that they'd be real happy with how this whole thing played out. It's very unfortunate that we're two weeks in a row in a situation where a crew guy is involved with a driver's situation and we have got to stop this.

a fine line between breaking it up and defending your driver versus attacking the other driver. And when we see a driver get pulled down by his throat in the Xfinity series, that's not good either. And this is even worse than that week. So NASCAR has to correct this wrong. And these crew guys have to stop putting their hands. Look, it's all right if you go up and hold them back. It's all right if you try to break it up. This is creating another fight in my mind because now it's creating a fight between Denny and this crew guy. So more crew guys are going to get in. Like it was a bad situation. I'm thankful Denny's okay because, man, that looked bad on TV.

I don't ever want to see, you know, the drivers get hurt, you know, like that. That's not what we need at all. So I think it could have been handled better all across the board there. I mean, starting with the on-track stuff, you give, this never happens if you don't put somebody in the wall. And I'm not, I don't think Joey went over there looking for a fight to begin with. I think he was frustrated and he should be. You just got running to the fence. But there's, you know, we can handle stuff better.

And, but I don't, I mean, on the Texas, man, I don't. You got to look forward. I mean, you know, the best golf players in the world, they forget their last bad shot. You got to focus forward. And obviously, Joy's always been in the middle of these situations, you know, for whatever reason. It's because he races hard. He's an aggressive guy. And he doesn't put up with any crap on the track.

But there's also a difference between racing hard. And racing stupid. And getting put in the wall. Yeah. I mean, there's a difference between that, in my opinion. So, yeah, I'm just going to leave it to that. Once again, basically the playoffs. There's tons of emotion.

This doesn't happen nearly. It's really cool that these are the storylines that, like, everybody is just so, I mean, the tension is high for everyone. Yeah. If you're an anti-playoff fan in NASCAR, you're crazy. You need to be mentally evaluated. Yeah. I think Joey just wanted apology, too, and Denny wasn't willing to give it. And there's, you know, Danny's not.

perfect by any means either. He went up to Chase Elliott and told him he was getting hit from behind when he wasn't getting hit from behind. He drove in there and wrecked him. So, but these guys are racing hard, man. It's that Martinsville short track. And if we have more short tracks, you'll see a lot more of this too. So, um, crew guys aren't going to stay out of this because they're going to protect their guy. They're going to protect their guy. They're working day in and day out on these cars. And it's okay. Look, man, everything that we were told after the incident at Phoenix with Jeff Gordon was, hey, all you crew guys that were running toward a hauler, it's fine that y'all were fighting each other, but if y'all got your hands on Jeff Gordon, you'd have been in serious trouble.

Well, guess what? This guy got his hands on our version now of Jeff Gordon. They have, crew guys have a lot of time invested in. I don't really know if Jeff Gordon and Danny is Jeff Gordon. Well, he's there certainly not Jeff Gordon, but he is easy now. It's the idea of, yeah, I get you're saying. I know your buddies, but geez, dude. I was looking at, well, here, I just read an article from Steve O'Donnell and he said, I think in this case you had a crew member who I think honestly didn't realize the fourth of which he made that move.

Dude, you think guys were hitting home runs and not swinging hard? That guy knew the force in which he was coming in there with. I don't know how many fights Steve O'Donnell's been in. I have unfortunately been in several growing up where I grew up and then going to the Red Hat University of South Carolina. You know when a fight's going on what your intent is and it's either A to break it up or it's B to beat somebody's ass. This guy went in there to beat Denny's ass. I think he was trying to break it up. Was he a little too forceful with it?

He probably was. He definitely tried to break up. If he wanted to fight, Danny, he would have fought him, in my opinion. Danny was in there trying to throw punches, and he pulled him back. And was it probably a little too hard? He didn't pull him back. Well, was it too hard, probably? There's a big difference of pulling back and horse collar slamming some eye down.

But in spur of the moment things, you're just trying to, I mean, you're trying to separate it and get it back or whatever. You're either being aggressive or you're not, and this guy was being aggressive. That's the way fights happened. The guy he grabbed was being aggressive. Yeah, but you're, you can't worry about that guy. You've got to worry about yourself. Yeah. Well, I mean, regardless, I think it.

could have been handled better and better across the board. I think NASCAR sets a precedent for don't do this again with this guy. We'll see. That's a shame because the last guy should have. I don't disagree with that. Let's check out what's coming up this week on the Dale Jr. Download. Listen up. When you're done listening to Door Bumper Clear, go listen and subscribe to my podcast, the Dale Jr. Download.

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Only 30 seconds. How are you going to stop us in talking? Good luck. Fast lane. Oh, Casey's back. She had too many hot dogs with slaw. Actually, guys, I heard what you said, and I definitely had a very important call that I had to answer. I wasn't even in Martinsville, so.

Nature's call. Remember when you said that when I said that I'll keep coming back if you guys are being nice? Well, just remember. Well, you were on the call. I went to the bathroom, and I walked in on a dude changing. Did you hear Casey in the other one next door? If you've ever in a Junior Motorsports, the gift shop has two bathrooms, a men and a women, and the guy didn't lock the men's bathroom, and I just saw him naked.

Well, he's probably lost in the show. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Like all the way. No, not all the way, but. Okay, that's different. I mean, naked enough. Changing. All right.

Poor guy. Yeah. Okay, let's just start off with Fastling. Just tell him you broke your butt. No. First question. Each Martinsville race this season featured just three lead changes. the least amount on any race of the track since 1967.

Was this more the result of one dominant car or the current rules package? TJ? I think the last two races we've seen two dominant cars. We saw Brad dominate there in the spring, and the 19 was dominant. I don't think, I don't know if it's this package. Obviously, this is the first year we've ran that package there, right? We ran a last year, did we? We didn't run this low horsepower.

But, I mean, there are still two dominant cars. You don't see that very often, so I'm not ready to write the book on that yet. The package doesn't suck. The tire sucks. And when you got a tire, I was talking to my engineer Lee, and he's like, man, we can run this left-side tire for like 10,000 laps for something crazy. It's just not wearing. When you see Brad Keselowski lead 446 laps, and you see Martin come back and lead 464 laps, Yeah, they're dominant cars, but come on, man.

This track is awesome. It's one of the best places out there. We can't afford to see Kyle Larson stay out on 100-lap tires and almost win a stage and end up running second because the tire is so good. And that's the problem. The tire has to wear. When the lap times would fall off, they would fall off into the 20s, and then they would just stay in the 20s.

Like, they got to keep going. You've got to be able to manage that right rear, manage that right front. And these guys aren't having to do that. Yeah, I don't, there's definitely, there's fall off and there, I mean, when the pits opened, you pitted most of the time unless you only had about 15 laps on your tires, but you still had to manage your, we were managing brakes and tires a lot. We were still doing that, but there's just not, not nearly as much. Next topic, with 33 to go on Sunday, Brad Keselowski knocked teamate Ryan Blaney up the track while racing for third. A lap,

Later, Kislauski pulled down and let Blaney pass by. Should drivers be more focused on their own performance or their teammates' point situation late in the race? Brett? I think they got to worry about themselves. You know, you make errors when you start worrying about other things. You've got to really focus on getting in the corner, getting the car rotated there, trying to drive it nice and straight up off. And I think Brad made a mistake. I don't think Brad meant to hit Ryan in his left rear. I think Brad got in there a little too hot and realized, look, if this had been anybody else, Brad would have kept going. But if this had been anybody else, the next corner, that guy might erect him.

So I think this is two teammates who worked well together. Brad realized he made a mistake, gave it back, and only went. That's not the first time I've seen this happen either. I've seen guys that don't agree with how they, you know, made the pass or got around a guy. And if that's the way they feel like they don't want to race, you know, if Brad truly made a mistake and he felt bad about it and he didn't think he needed a pass him, that way. That's understandable, but like he said, sometimes you might, that's coming back. And the rewarding part is you let that guy go. You're hoping he races it from his memory. You know, because if it's not a teammate, you might get wrecked. So, probably a smart move on

Brad's part, no matter who it is. If you move somebody and you don't agree with it and you didn't mean to do it, giving it back, I don't see as being a big issue. Blaney's 15 points out. He's got to get all he can get. Brad's still racing for a lot himself. We've talked about that. This is where our sport gets really weird, though, because you're racing against each other. You're just operating as one organization. So it's not your team. Your team is your car number and those guys that work on it. That's a whole different team, but it's the same organization. So there is rules of etiquette. I mean, Daniel Sauras race Clint extremely hard yesterday. Clint was a little upset about it. But it's still racing. We're racing the 41 car.

I saw just like we're racing the 22 car or any other car. I saw Danny get into Kyle and move him up the racetrack. I don't think Kyle was happy about it, but we're, everybody's still racing. But, you know, I think it's cool that Brad actually made a mistake and owned, he basically owned his mistake right there. You know, he owned his mistake and said, go ahead and, you know, I'll pass you again if I can get to you or whatever, but, you know, that's just a choice Brad made there. This is going to be such a fun elimination race next year.

I mean, it's just going to be so freaking awesome. I can't wait. I mean, not only this race, but the next race is. that we have for this year. Daytona? Yeah. That's going to be cool. Wow.

Well, a lot to look forward to you. So great. Remember that video game? What? No. No. Daytona is so great. Never mind.

All right. Next one. Kevin Harvick has won the last two playoff Texas races to secure his spot in the championship four. What's more likely to happen? Harvick wins again on Sunday to go three for three. or he misses Homestead all together. And he's currently minus 14 points in fifth place.

Oh, man. I think it's more likely that he wins for three in a row there than it is for him to miss the playoffs all the way. I think he makes the playoffs, but I don't know that he wins. I mean, these are two really good tracks for him coming up, a place where he can get a lot of stage points. And look, we all know how good he is at Phoenix. So I just know these mile and a half right now.

The Toyota cars have been kicking our butts. Jason, I actually didn't know Kevin had won this race two years in a row. So good job on statistics. I think he makes homestead, but I don't – Dude, take Kevin Harvick or the field? I mean, that's what you're basically asking us. And I mean, I don't care what driver you give me. I'm going to take the field every time.

Yeah, and he didn't have a tremendous amount of speed in Kansas either. So – but I'm not doubt. outing them guys one bit. They, you know, early in this year, we're like, oh, what happened to Kevin? What happened to Kevin? Then he wins three out of four or something like, yeah. It's like, oh, there he is. Yeah, there's going.

Texas is probably, you know, when you look at the mile and a halfs, we're probably in the corner longer at Texas than anywhere else we go. Those are big, long sweeping banks. So handling is going to be an issue and speed the corners going to be an issue. The problem is, is you look at the people that are still alive in the playoffs and look at Texas and tell me any of them or guys are bad there. Right. You can't. You know, you can't look at Texas. Denny's good at Texas.

Kyle's good at Texas. Joey's good at Texas. Ryan's good at Texas. These guys are all really good at Texas. So it's going to be exciting. Off the wall question. A teenager in Germany broke into a prison to try to win back his ex-girlfriend. Did you go to any extreme lengths to win back a girlfriend? Why is she in prison? Yeah, I don't know if this is a good... The story did not elaborate. Oh, wow. Sounds like a keeper.

Yeah, literally, in the cell. In the cell. I don't think I ever went to any extreme links to win back a girlfriend. I think none of them wanted to be my girlfriend. Yeah. They all wanted to be my girlfriend. So why would I have to win them back? I never lost them.

Yeah, I mean, if I were to go with the hero or the zero. I mean, I've seen some guys and girls do some pretty psychotic things. It's, you know, when looking back at it now, I've seen some younger, younger people. Yeah, I guess it's even some older people too now that do some bizarre things when it comes down to, you know, who's dating who. What I know, Casey, you look crazy. I know you've done something crazy. I look crazy. What have you done?

I don't really know how to take that one. I'm not, okay, you do look like. You've got psychotic eyes right now just talking about it. Me? Look at her eyes right now. She's like. Honestly, I cannot. think of anything that I've done that's like out of line.

Did you and Chad ever, did you and Chad ever break up once I started dating? No. Nope. Did you ever break up with a guy? And they try it when you're back? No. Have you ever,

you ever split up with a guy and you were really mad at him? Not really. I mean, she looks like she has that switch. I don't know. I didn't, I didn't date a lot, though.

That was my problem is I worked too much. Like, I honestly worked too much that I never really, like, I never had a lot of girlfriends either. I mean, like, not like steady girlfriends. Like, I mean, we're talking probably four.

Pagelin didn't have that many women there. Well, look, we partied. We had fun. Just we didn't go steady. What was your graduating class again? 140. That's okay. Yeah, 140.

Not bad. It's fun. Fun place to live. Nothing to do. Is that why you moved? We made it fun on our own. Your mom's still there? My mom's still there.

My mom's still there. I go back and see my mom. You know, when I can, travel sucks. She always comes to see me, but she hasn't been feeling great, so it's been hard. But, yeah. man. It hadn't changed a lot. The queen of Pagelin. Jason, what about you? Nothing crazy now. Not going to prison and climbing up a wall to be...

That's what that guy did in Germany. It was crazy. Jason, do you have any girlfriends in high school? I had like those middle school and high school girlfriends that don't really count, but you dated them for like a couple months. Girls are just crazier than dudes. I remember somebody in like high school, ninth grade, I think it was, asked me out. And then said I loved... He asked me out on instant message, actually.

and then said I loved you, like, right after I said yes, and then the next day I said, I'm really sorry, I can't do this. What a jerk. Oh, I can't help it. That was just too far. Did I tell you about in fifth grade, I wrote on, I forgot that I did it. I wrote on Erin Alessi is her name. She actually lives in Charlotte now as a school teacher.

Wrote on her Valentine. Can I watch some teachers. Will you go out with me? I had somebody proposed with a paper, like, paper ring in fourth grade. Oh, that's nice. Well, her friend comes over to me and she's like, Aaron says yes. And I'm like, what you're talking about? I must have rode around like three or four years about that.

I don't know. But yeah, so I dated her for a couple weeks, I guess, in fifth grade. Whoever said yes, you just picked them. You just rode on yearbooks. Well, they all said yes. Yeah. Well. I don't know, Jason.

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Oh, Jason Felenbaum. If that's Jason, I don't know. I think so. I think it's Jason. Oh, nice. Why are there so many crew chiefs with no imagination or gambling in NASCAR? 50 laps to go, the 19 pits per four tires. He's kicked your ass all day.

No two tires stops by anyone. Jason, it just doesn't work, man. If you pit from third, there's going to be six to stay out, and you're not going to get, the risk is... So right now, the risk is too high for a playoff guy right there. It's too high. You're throwing away so much at that point to try to get back through. guys that are going to race you as hard as you can possibly get raced at Martinsville.

So, yeah, I know what you're saying, but the risk versus reward right now, the risk is too high to do it for points. Points people. If you're running third or fourth, yeah, well, if you're running a third or fourth or something like that, you know you're not going to beat them. There's a caution, 40 to go and everybody stays out on 50 lap tires. You might pit. You know what I mean? But, man, so many things have to happen after you pit. for you to make the make up the ground and be successful at it. Yep. Maybe we can all just get together.

Hey, we're all going to pit. Yeah. 19, you got to stay out, but we're all going to pit. Whatever the 19 does, we're all doing the opposite. If he pits, we stay out. If he stays out, we pit. Those guys are scanning everybody, too, and they're listening. And if they hear more than one, they hear a majority are coming.

They're going to come anyway. So you're not just going to outsmart. There's a lot of people to not to go off on a tangent. I don't disagree with what this guy's asking, but there's a lot of people. people at this point in the season, especially that have play calls. The drivers have pieces of tape on their dash or whatever that the word blue means two tires and the word Texas means four tires or whatever, right? So, you know, like TJ said, they're scanning, but strategies right now are all over the place. Also, if you take two tires and you're the only one takes two tires,

guess who comes out right behind you? The leader. No, the guys with four tires. And guess who's the first car to get past? You. And then guess who else passed you? The rest. the guys of four tires. Yeah. So it's just a tough call. A Roe Jody asks, should NASCAR adopt hockey's third man role? You're the third man in a fight or engagement you're rejected.

No. No. I mean, that's hockey and NASCAR are way different. When you fight in hockey, when you drop the gloves, you are, you know what I mean?

Like you're engaging in a one-on-one battle right there when you drop the gloves. This here is just raw emotion. Those guys talk about it before they drop the puck. Hey, Yeah, let's fight. You know, then they go and they fight. Plus, how many of people are on the ice? 12?

No, well, including the goalies. There's five versus five. Yeah, I mean, that's a whole different situation than when you look at us, man. We're hundreds of people on pit road, and it can turn into a melee. So in my opinion, the third guy coming in with driver on driver needs to try to de-escalate the situation and break it up. That's what he needs to do. He doesn't need to start a new situation. like we've seen the last couple weeks, and that's got to stop.

Look, I mean, everybody says on Twitter, these are two grown men, let them fight. That's never going to happen. Somebody's going to land a punch, maybe. Somebody's going to land a shove, maybe. People, including NASCAR officials, are going to get in there and break it up. If these guys truly want to fight, they're going to have to do it in a motorhome lot. They're going to have to do it at the airport. Or turn one at Gateway.

Or, yeah, or on the racetrack like Jeff Gordon and Jeff Burton did, like where nobody can get to you. And I'm not going to lie. The last thing you guys might want to watch is these guys. Remember when John West Townley body slammed himself trying to, trying to, you know, have you seen these NASCAR officials? I would be so scared of them. Why would you even want to go near them? I'm just saying. They're so nice, but still, like, scared.

Temper's run high and I don't, you know, I'm not sure there's a, and yeah, it's just raw emotion. That's what people, that's what's great about our sport. You guys get to see the raw, hear it and see it. And, you know, and if my crew guys. guys want to fight your crew guys, so be it. If my driver wants to fight your driver, so be it. Crew guys can't be aggressive and malicious toward drivers. It's stupid and it doesn't work. It's a bad ending. We don't need to tolerate this. Yeah, I'm not. I don't know if it's... If that crew guy wants to do it, go knock on his motorhome door and do it. Totally different

scenario. This is not the place for this. Last one. Addison's dad 76. Asks, after watching Denny's interview after the race, do either of you do an impersonation that is spot on? Please do it right now. I will say this. He can dance like Michael. All I saw was pictures and I saw video. I didn't hear audio. But I think that's pretty funny.

Do you have anything? No, I can't do impersonations. Why not? Will. We'll? I can't do impersonations. Kern? What about you, T.J.

I don't know. very good impersonations either. Sterling Martin. Couglas, Dodge. He used to do a Sterling one, didn't you? No one can do a sterling one. You can try, but, no, Steve Crisp. Steve Crisp can do, I don't know if you remember,

he can do some impersonations. He can do Sterling, he can do Richard Childress. It's so funny. Casey, you do any impersonations? No, I got nothing. It's a good question. I just, I'm not talented. Yeah.

You can dance. I can impersonate some dancing. I heard your son was out in the field Like moonwalking and stuff at the baseball or whatever Yeah he can't be still man He can't be still waiting for the pitch He's out there moonwalking Yeah

Literally the coach yells Boadie stop dancing I'm like hey he takes dance lessons too Like you don't just take baseball You have him well versed All right Best question ones at Offerpad Give them all t-shirts

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respect for responders after listening to this podcast. What you do is tough, but y'all are so much fun to listen to each week. With each episode, I learned something new about racing, and this show never, the show never fails to make me laugh. Sometimes I get funny looks when people see me laughing to myself at a red light, which, of course, only makes me laugh harder. Also, ain't no law when you're drinking a claw, something I say now. So thanks for that. Love the show, never change.

That's awesome. That is great. That is pretty funny. Well, I see a white claw. The first thing I think of is Jason and Chris Wright. That sounds about right. That was funny. What are we going to rant about?

Are you guys dressing up for Halloween? I told you my family is leaving for Florida. I know, but that doesn't mean you don't need to dress up. I dress up every day for Halloween. So, Boadie is being a piccich-pico. What the heck? Pikachu. You can't say that.

Pikachu. No, before. Pikachu. Pikachu. I didn't say yes. I said C. Pikachu. Pikachu.

So he's Pikachu, and he wants me to be Pikachu's boss or trainer. I thought Pikachu was the main guy. I do, too. No. Pikachu is the actual, like. So Bodie always gets to pick out what we're going to be. We're always something together. We were Batman and Robin.

Last year we were Mario and Luigi. So it's totally up to Bodie what I'm going to be. But I don't know what I'm going to be, but I'm going to be something to do with Pikachu. you. I think you should be. The costume was a double X, and it came, and it was way too small. And first of all, I weighed 220 pounds. I'm 5 foot 9, but I wear an XL, and I ordered a double X because the Mario pants were a little tight on my crotch last year. And the more we walked, the more uncomfortable I got. So I didn't want it. I wanted a baggy, chill. We have a huge Halloween party. We got walking trails. It's the best place ever for Halloween. But I don't know what I'm going to be, but it's something to do with Pikachu's boss.

The trainer. The trainer. Yeah, it must be the trainer. So what is Pikachu? It's a Pokemon. Yeah. Gotta catch them all. It's a Pokemon, man.

He's got all these Pokemon cards, so that's related. Yeah, that's what Malin's got a lot to you. So they're related to each other. It's actually a game. Yeah. But we don't play the game. Mell just likes the cards. They used to have the app where you can have, they were like, you catch them.

Yeah, and you can catch them at the racetrack. Like, they would actually put them on the app. People were getting run over walking out in the motor. I was on the run in wherever we were traveling to, and some guy was searching for a Pokemon and ran right into me, and I almost ran into the fence. Like, they are very serious about this. Okay, well, that's what I'm being.

What are you going to be, Casey? So every year, Chad's family has a theme. So we were Disney characters, and I was like Jasmine and Chad was Aladdin. Yeah, yeah. Decades last year, superheroes, I think, the year before. All right. Now this year is circus. So.

Circus. That's what we're all a part of. Yes. A traveling circus. You're going to be an animal? TBD, which what I will end up being. It's Thursday. I know.

I still have to figure it out. I found your costume, though. The trainer. Look, just something. He's a trainer. Oh, that's exactly what my outfit is. Yeah. But the shirt's way too small.

It won't close. He has the, this is Pikachu. Oh. He's a cool a guy. Yeah. Well, Bodies will be that little yellow thing? Yeah. Everybody loves Pikachu, man.

Pikachu's the best. Oh, awesome. Yeah. Too old to know what this stuff is. I love Halloween, though. I think I'm just going to sit on my front porch and scare kids. Okay, but I have to talk to you because you cannot put a limit on candy. You can't say take one.

That doesn't how this works. You know what sucks for Halloween is when you got dogs and people keep ringing your doorbell. Oh, my gosh. Yeah, mine's got a bark collar. It's going to be a bad night for him. No, I'm just kidding. The bark collars work? Don't do it.

It's sad. It's not sad. Why is it sad? It's not shock. It's vibrate. But you still can't do that. It vibrates. Oh my gosh.

Okay, fine. Talk about it. It's a dog. But I'm not, I won't shock him. Like, I get the one and it vibrates. It'll beep to, like, tell him to, like, stop. It beeps. And then if it keeps going, it just vibrates.

Okay. Well, you cannot give a limit on the amount of candy that you give kids. I agree with Casey. You shouldn't do that to your dog. It's like duct taping up a human's mouth. It's unfair to the dog. I mean, imagine. Brett.

That is not duct taping a human's mouth. Yeah, it is. You won't let them talk. That's how a dog talks. It barks. Well, then he yells too much. It's not yelling. It's talking.

No, that's not talking. He, uh, yeah. Anyway, I, limiting candy's fine. No, it's not. Because the older kids come through and take the whole thing. I had my actually, uh, I was out trick-or-treating, uh, about three, four years ago with my daughter. And I come back and my whole, I had this really nice porcelain and candy.

candy jar. And it was like a Halloween, like, I don't know, the eye sockets were hanging. It was really nice, though. It was fairly expensive. And it was gone. So they took your container. Yeah. So I won't use a nice. Rough neighborhood you live in. I know, man. Where do you live? Because you probably put a sign up that says take one only. Get out to trailer park, dog. Nowhere did it say take the whole damn thing. Well, if you put a limit, I would have taken everything. So just. I'm going to egg your house. Oh. Just so you know. that's what I'm going to do.

If you wake up Friday morning and there's toilet paper and... I'm like your trailer. Yeah, no kidding. That's all I can't afford candy doors. I live in a trailer as a kid. I can make fun of trailer parks. My sister made fun of me two weeks ago. We were out to eat and she started talking about,

I can't believe you and mama live in that trailer. I'm like, where the hell else will be going to live? We were broke. Yeah. I think... I need to tell that story sometime about my brother in the trailer. I lived in the very beginning when I was like... How long has this show been going on, Jason?

It's by the time. We better go. Next time. My brother and the trailer story is as good as any Will story you've ever heard. If he finds out, I'll tell it, though. He'd kill me. All right. Just tell him not to listen.

Well, next week. Yeah, next week. All right, well, thanks for joining him. Texas. Cowboy boots, cowboy hats. Everything's bigger in Texas. Don't forget to give us tons of compliments, talk about how great the show is, tweet us, follow us, like us. Where are you staying in Texas?

Me? Yeah. Near West Lake? I'm in grapevine, I think. Where are you at? I'm not traveling this weekend. Lucky you. Oh, I work at the office every day.

That Dallas area, Fort Worth, it's all awesome. It is so nice. I really like that track. I will admit, they do a great job. I can't wait to go to hard eight. Hard eight barbecue. So I ate at, last time I went there, my roommate, Josh, made me go to Babes. Babes is easy to overeat.

Oh, my gosh. Josh, the portions you get are... You can only order two things. Chicken fried chicken or chicken fried steak. But they're both delicious. Like family. It's like family style or whatever. So you get this mass...

I'm looking at like, Josh, what did we just do here? We'd have to go to the racetracking a little bit. It was one where the garage was open and late. I'm like, we got to go to the racetrack limit. Look at all this food, man. We didn't bring any Tupperware. How many... What did you eat more?

Are the mashed potatoes or the corn? Probably mashed potatoes. Not a corn. guy. I used to like, I used to eat a lot of corn, but I can't eat it now. Oh yeah, that's right. Yeah, I know why. Yeah. All right. Well, we'll see guys in Texas. I can't wait. Yeah. Exciting race track. Yeah. Should be good, man. Looking forward to getting there. This package there. How's a weather looked? I don't know. Fort Worth. Has anybody looked? I feel like you guys are just rambling. We are. This is. Okay. We can talk about the weather after. It should be great. The weather's important. It's

Texas. They did have a tornado. I know. All the weather's beautiful. It's 60 and sunny every day. Friday, 60 degrees, 35 in the morning. Man, that's deer hunting weather right there. You got the Xfinny race? Yes. You know that's a night race, right? Is it? Yeah, and it's 36 is the low.

You might want to bundle up, man. I'm not to go home and get some clothes. That's cold. That is cold. On that roof, it's always windy there, too. So on Saturday hourly, what time is it? Oh, yeah. What time will the Xen race be going about?

Six, seven? Seven probably. Oh, that's 51 degrees. It's 47 at 8. o'clock. That's getting to where that's almost of the point of not returning.

I'm so glad. I'm so sick of being hot. I'm ready for winter. Deer hunting, snow skiing. Yeah. All right. Thanks guys for listening. Have a good week.

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