Door Bumper Clear - 178 – Cole Pearn: We Did Things Our Own Way

Episode Date: June 16, 2020

A busy week of racing at Martinsville and Homestead-Miami is in the books and our spotting trio of T.J. Majors, Brett Griffin and Freddie Kraft are here to relive it all. Plus, Martin Truex Jr.’s former crew chief and everyone’s favorite Twitter follow Cole Pearn joins the show to discuss his success with Truex Jr., his thoughts on the current competition and his hilarious tweets. As Chase Elliott and Denny Hamlin battled for the win Sunday night at Homestead, Joey Logano found himself in the mix as a lapped car. The gang discusses what role Logano may have played in deciding the outcome and if it was payback from Bristol. Bubba Wallace wasn’t happy with Clint Bowyer during a restart at Martinsville and their two spotters debate who was right and who was wrong. July’s All-Star Race is changing tracks and the guys have the inside scoop on where it’s headed. NASCAR President Steve Phelps said 80 percent of fans enjoy the current intermediate Cup Series aero package. The gang does not agree and explains why skewed fan surveys may have created that statistic. Is it time to loosen some COVID-19 restrictions at the race track? The guys discuss why it’s time to let the teams celebrate in Victory Lane again.  Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Quest scaring up all the races. Hey. It's trying to make them exciting, son. This is Door Bumper Clear and I'm Jason Schultz. It has been a busy week of, of racing and T.J. Brett and Freddie are here to relive it all. Plus, former Joe Gibbs Racing crew chief Cole Pern joins the show. They'll cover Joe Lugano holding up leader Chase Elliott at Homestead, Clint Boyer versus Bugger Wallace at Martinsville, and Cole's hilarious tweets. DBC rolls

in three, two, one. I'm T.J. Majors. This is Fred Rittman. Hey, me too now. This is Freddie Kraft. Get ready. Be ready. Be ready. Be ready. out here. New leader. I'll watch out for this guy. White flag. Reconna. Hello.

Clear. Bring home. Three light. Coming to the line. George. Butterer. Clear. Woo.

Hey, everybody. I'm T.J. Majors. It's part of the 22 cup car, 99 truck. And I had an Xfinity car this weekend. So I had the eight Xfinity car. Full House as normal. How'd you pull that off, man?

I thought you couldn't spot for anything but Pitsky. That's what happened. whenever the head guy said it's okay. Oh, our good friend, Jesus, came back to race. So we got to do whatever he wanted to do. NASCAR, Jesus. Brett Griffin spotted, Clint Boyer. Outside of spotting for Clint Boyer,

all I did yesterday was right out, weighed out. Lightning delays for the thousand people that were in attendance. Thank y'all for coming, and I'm sorry that we were so delayed. Hopefully people still watched yesterday. It was, that place never disappoints, man. What a great racetrack. No, what's up guys? Freddie Kraft, spotter for Bubba Wallace. Another good run for us this weekend. Spotter for AJ Almonddinger, $100,000 richer on Sunday.

You're finally doing better at this whole spotting thing, Freddie. Yeah, it's amazing what happens when you spot for some fast cars. It's weird how that works out. But yeah, God, it was so frustrating sitting there yesterday. I mean, what were we there? Three hours? Three hour delay without a drop of rain. I mean, it was pretty damn frustrated. We were at the track for about, oh my gosh, I don't even know. I mean, 10 o'clock in the morning, whatever, for the same of the guys. Yep, that was a long, long, long day.

Hey, Case, how are you? Yeah, colorful Casey's here today. Are you being sarcastic or? No, I'm being friendly and polite. I wasn't sure if you said colorful because that wedding picture behind there's in black and white it looks like. I figured we had talked about it in a while and you guys were making fun of me for not having any decoration. So I couldn't think of anything better

than the wedding photo. I was glad you put it behind the steering wheel. He loves it. Well, the good news is you're having a baby soon. And once you have a baby, you're going to quit talking about the dog all the time. And you're going to forget the fact that you ever even got married. Got married. Yeah. Like, TJ, you literally forget you got married when you have a baby.

Yeah. And I will say that it's probably, you probably won't catch much flack for posting baby pictures because everyone's proud of their kids and post pictures of their kids and you might have overdid the wedding stuff, but it'll be replaced here soon. I did not. Because they're the worst.

I'm not going to resurface this conversation. You're not going to have to after the kid. Don't worry about it. I got friends. Their name is Joy and Holly. And, man, all they talked about all the time was their dog and all they put on Facebook all the time was their dog. Dude, I ain't seen their dog.

three years. Hey, I forgot the dog's name because all it is now is all about their kid, man, people are, my, my dog's my kid. And once you have a kid, it's like, now your kid, your dog is now officially a dog. Congratulations. Does Susie get a baby moon or, you know, I mean, that's probably what Susie talks about with their friends down the block, you know, just, you know, we got this baby coming soon. I'm going to be secondhand.

Susan, no. Chad tries to tell her, but I don't think it gets through there yet. So we'll get to her. Yes, she has no idea. Wait a while. So what kind of mother do you think? Do you think Casey's going to be, you know, are we going to see that every filter that, you know, Instagram has? Are we going to see the little face change and stuff or, you know.

Okay. For the record, I don't post that much. So don't post any of those bump picks that everybody posed. You don't have a kid yet. Yeah, so. Your whole world's getting ready to change. I know, I know. You literally remind me every week, and every week I'm in like...

I feel like I'm Chad talking to the Susan right here. Well, everybody says it so soon, but I honestly, I feel like it's really far away still. So I just haven't been a Wednesday again? August 30th. Yeah. You should be pretty miserable coming up here soon. That's when you know it's close. That's when everyone's like, I'm just ready for this kid to come.

come out. Are they not bred? The last like month of the pregnancy they're all like just get it out of me. I just want to picture of Casey barefoot and then a tank top standing in the middle of it on a dirt road like she's just just you know nine months pregnant with both hands having to hold her belly up and Chapman

drinking a 40-ounce Budweiser. Well I am going to Midgettee week this week so I will be pretty close. You got a dirt road and probably a tank top. That's what I want to see like I just want to see a really good just trailer park trash I'm pregnant photo

Where's midget week at? Where'd all these midgets hang out? Indiana Oh nice Yeah I don't think it's a midget hangout I don't know I'm not sure if that's a

I'm pretty sure it's a race I don't I mean We can just let you What you think Whatever you want It'll work for you Oh man

Well I will say I am so glad that you guys Were able to do the show today because there was a moment there where I thought lightning was going to continue the strike forever. And I also have to say that it rained every single day at like 3 o'clock in the afternoon in Miami. So I'm not really sure what the planning was there. But so glad you guys are here. So glad we were able to have a show and not have it delayed for five days.

Which time were you worried? The first second or third time we stopped for lightning? Oh, man. I don't know. I just remember like I'm from there. It rains literally every day at the same time. I swear about 15, 20 last four halfway, a boat of lightning went across the sky. And I looked at, as soon as it went across, I'm like, oh, my gosh, don't you even think about it.

And I don't know. Did you see it? The worst part about it, oh, yeah, because the worst part about it was it was right before the end of the second stage. Yes. And the leader was running us down, and I'm like, I'm going to call in lightning delay here. I'm trying to. I need a caution. Yeah.

It did not. It was... Here's the thing that drove me crazy about it. TJ will know what's going on. The night before, I felt like there was lightning everywhere for that truck race, and there was no caution, no delay. And then all day, Sunday was a lightning delay. Yeah, there was...

I mean, the first few times that happened on Friday, you're just kind of like, oh, lightning a little bit. And then you're like, you didn't... just got used to it and quit looking at it. I mean, it was just a part of your night. But definitely not ideal, but definitely something to check the deal. I mean, we saw a water spout.

I don't know if I've ever seen a water spout out in the, you know, visible ocean, you know, that you can, I don't know. It was kind of cool but kind of scary at the same time. Like, hey, if this thing is his land is turning a tornado, you know, what happens here? Welcome to Florida. Yeah. long night but uh well we got a lot of racing in it in two days man that's a that's a pretty um pretty big task to get that many races in that short of time uh for naskar to do so um good job on

their part and getting all the series down there and getting all the races in in florida especially that many races that short of time with a few delays but no stayovers and stuff like that did you guys see any i mean were there any hiccups any issues obviously a lot of us weren't there. So they moved the Xini race up. Obviously, it wouldn't. I don't think it mattered because, I mean, because of the lightning deal. But, you know, I think they did.

I mean, it was smooth. I mean, a lot of racing. I think that's great to have that much racing going on. I mean, we did a lot of racing just in the last week. You know, between all the races you ran at, you know, you ran three races at Atlanta. Then you ran Wednesday night at Martinsville. And you came here, back, ran four more races at Homestead. You know, it's obviously went off without a hitch.

I hate the fact, man, we cannot catch a break on weather. You know what I mean? I feel like we have taken a hit on weather delays or rain delays or postponements this year. Since we came back, it's just can't get the ball rolling, really. Yeah, the Cup Series has definitely been jinx, man. And, you know, you look at everything NASCAR did last week. And, I mean, on this show, we talk about everything. Excuse me.

NASCAR went through a major rebrand. last week. And we've never seen those guys take stances against and for some of the things that they took stances for and against. So I felt like Sunday at 3.30 was going to be a gut check for us either way. I felt like ratings were either going to be obviously up, flat or down. And because of what we experienced with the weather delay, you don't have a true gauge of knowing which way it was going to go. Because we all know that weather delays produce less ratings, because if I tune in to watch something at 3.30, and if it doesn't start until 7.30,

there is zero chance I'm going to stick around that long. I don't care what it is I'm trying to watch. So I felt like yesterday was going to be a good temperature check for us. No pun intended, because the three of us have been going through temperature checks nonstop at the gate. And probably the most disappointing thing as far as the weather for me personally was knowing where we stand as a sport in terms of ratings. Because we've seen other sports do this, and we've seen how it affects their brands. And I was curious to see.

what it meant to all of us yesterday. Freddie, I know you've been really outspoken on Twitter about some of this stuff. T.J, I'm really proud of you today for brushing your hair because seeing you yesterday, your hair was completely out of control. But that was my struggle yesterday. It was, man, just, all right, this is our gut check. Because we saw some things last week on Twitter, like ratings were up last Wednesday via this rebrand, 106%. Well, whatever clown tweeted that should have been fired because ratings weren't up. They were comparing it to a Dover Rain Delay, very misleading tweet to which is very disappointing. Again, Casey and I work on the marketing business side. These things have major implications to what we do and how we communicate things to sponsors.

And obviously, we're all pulling for the best. We're all pulling for people to be treated fairly in society. But at the end of the day, our sport has left politics out of it for a very long time. And we certainly didn't do that last week. So I curious to see how that plays out. I guess the good news, though, Freddie, is now our new gauge is going to be Talladega, which is always one of our most popular races, no matter if you're a big fan, a hardcore fan, or barely a fan. We know that race is going to be exciting. We got Ryan Newman getting back in a plate track after nearly losing his life a few months ago.

A lot of really possible. I feel like this is the week we get to start back talking about racing and put some of this other stuff behind us. Yeah. I mean, like you said, obviously, I've been outspoken if you want to see how I stand on it. It's not hard to find. But like you said, you know, like last week I got, you know, not think I wake up in the morning, whatever, get on Twitter. See that tweet? I get excited because me and Brett have been talking about it back and forth.

I see that tweet. I'm like, holy shit. Like, wow, look at this. I sent it to bread. Brett's like, wow, it's pretty good. And 10 minutes later, we're both like, wait a minute. That's not right. You know, I mean, it's right, but it's not a comparable stat.

So then you're like, oh, whatever. you know now it's a little more comparable to the Wednesday night races but all the Wednesday night races have had have had weather problems so you don't know exactly where you stand so you know I don't know you know it's just hopefully they hopefully we don't take a hit oh I think hopefully I mean as long as we stay as good or better I don't see any reason why not you know I mean we know my kind of stance is all right you know obviously you don't want you don't politics mixed with your sports you don't want any sport you know I don't you don't you don't want that but in the same time you know people feel like they're you

you know, outspoken on stuff. And if you don't like it, just don't watch the pre-race. I mean, it's not like it's throughout the entire event. When the green flag drops, it's still the same sport we've always had. It's still the same sport everybody loves. Nothing's changed once the green flag drops. So, I mean, if you can't, if you don't want to see stuff that, you know, a guy kneeling or whatever, you know, just don't watch that part of it. Or don't show it on TV, you know, whatever it is.

Just, just when that green flag drops is the same sport we've always had, there's no reason not to watch it because it's something you don't believe in. it's a free country and you know of all the rules that we've seen come out and all the things that we've seen come out I think probably the biggest was that we as a sport have decided to honor your your constitutional right of freedom of speech there's no more a demand to stand for the for the anthem and I know a lot of people in America have a problem with that because it's called the United States of America and I think during that time is when we all need to unite like I said on Twitter, me and my family will stand for the anthem for what it stands for the men and women that have served, are serving, and obviously the ones that have paid the ultimate sacrifice for serving. But at the end of the day, it's certainly you're right not to stand

if that's what you don't want to do. I'll go back to what I said on here. The first year we ever did this podcast, it was me, T.J. and Kristen Bauer and old producer, Josh. And I think the right thing to do that in that three minutes of your day is to stand because you have 23 hours and 57 other minutes that you can go out and do things to produce. protests and do things to bring attention to your calls. But hey, man, if that's what you want to do, that's part of being an American. That's your right. However, I think you need to stay in your ass up, but that's just me. I didn't, I haven't seen, since that first race with the official kneeling, I haven't seen anybody kneeling, including that official. I don't, I obviously can't

see everybody on pit road, but I know I watched that, I think it was Martinsville. I seen, they queue up the anthem and I seen an entire camera crew go running down above his car like they were getting ready to catch, you know, him dropping on one knee and he stood there like he always does. And I just, you know, I haven't seen it. Obviously, people are making statements, but, you know, is what it is. Like you said, it's here right if they want to, but I'll be, I'll be standing, hand over heart. I don't, just like everybody else up there on the roof, I think. Hey, on, where we go, man, Talladeg is coming up. Casey, let's kick this thing show off. Man, we got a special guest today coming on later.

Cole Perrin here in a hot minute. I'm excited about this guy coming on, T.J. Like this guy, like I feel like I give zero shit on Twitter and in real life pretty much about being unfiltered. Like I feel like Cole Perns, maybe my soulmate. What? Maybe like spirit animal or something. Might be a little better choice right there. Soulmate? Yeah, I don't know about a soulmate.

He's my bromance. He's going to be like Blamey and Bubba. He's going to be like Brett and Cole. This is going to be, um, Cole has a very, he's very opinionated. and yeah, he's I like a guy that's not afraid to share his opinion. Yeah, he never really has been. I like a guy that just wears a T-shirt.

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Not long you like it. Spot off, you don't like it, and you say why either way. First topic, Ryan Blaney flipped off Joey Lugano when Lugano lapped him at Martinsville. Spot on, spot off, Brett, since this is your favorite topic. T.J, why does your guy always make everybody mad? Is there anybody in this field who actually likes Joey Lugano? I'm curious, I see all these drivers parking.

They have their buddy system, right? Like they knew who they're going to park beside in the motorhome lot. and they knew who their kids are going to get to play with. Like, does Lugano even get to park on the infield with these guys? It seems like he is, man. He's even pissed off Blaney. Spot on for the big old fist in the windshield. I've seen a lot of middle fingers fly,

but it's very rare you see a guy flip a guy off at his front windshield. And who laps their own teammate to end the stage, man? I mean, it was right before a competition caution. How rude. TJ, what do you have to say about that one? You know, spot on. for the personality that you get to see a little bit. And but spot off because, you know,

there was still about 15 laps to go on the stage. And we did actually ride behind him for a few laps until we started getting our bumper beat off by cars trying to get to him and get around us to get our last back. And I don't know if anybody that's going to put, you're not going to put yourself in the way of, you know, cars want their last back. It's Martinsville, man. I can save your race. You know exactly, you know, exactly what I mean. If you go a lot down to Martinsville, it's tough to get back. And, you know, if we have a long run, leaders start getting to some more faster guys, and you know it's going to be harder to get to

them guys to unlapped yourself. Um, so we rode behind Blaney for three laps, four laps or something, and then the 38 just started wearing a bumper out. And you're not, I mean, you got a fast car. You got a win, you got a possibly winning race car at that point. I don't know, um, you know, Hopefully, hopefully the big picture lesson, you know, clicked in there. Look, it was early in the race. You had zero issues getting your car right and back, and you had a really good chance to win the race. You had another issue on pit road with 170 to go, and you still drive back to the front almost

and win the race. So, you know, there's a big picture in every race, and some guys lose sight of that pretty quick, but, you know, I don't know if anybody that would have rode behind somebody at that point. Yeah, so I went back and watched the race that night to see what happened, because I've seen a video on, I don't know, if it's Twitter or Reddit, and it was the video of Ryan flipping him off, and I was like, what led to that? So I watched, and it was, I think it was, you had rode behind it for like two or three laps, and I think there was seven or eight to go when you passed them, but it's just too many laps. You know what I mean? If it was two or three laps,

Joe, he would have stayed back there, I think. Yeah, I don't, I disagree. Yeah, I think, I think, you know, you could see it playing his day. Like, he's riding, ride, ride, riding in the 38, launches Joey into one and Joey's like all right I got to go and at that point I think you have to go like there's guys in front of Ryan that you want to get a lap down you know that was like the 18 and the 10 or in front of Ryan you know if you're if you're doing the best you can to win a race you want to put as many guys a lap down as you can it sucks and it's one of your teammates is one of them but but you want to get up there and you know there I think he probably lap four or five more guys in front of Ryan too and they probably didn't get a bunch of guys yeah yeah he actually got passed by four or five more guys before

even the end of the stage. So, or the caution or whatever, not the stage, that caution that came out. But, you know, when you got guys that are being aggressive behind you, you know, it's one thing to ride and, you know, okay, the guy's cool behind you. But when they start running into you, you can't jeopardize your own race at that point.

Yeah, spot on for the bird out the windshield, though. I felt like that was the highway move. You know, usually like you see these guys with a little hand out the window, finger that you can't really see. Ryan just full bore bird arm out of the windshield was. hits the wall too. Almost hits the wall when it happens. That's the one where if you're on the interstate

and you're looking in your rear rear mirror and you see a guy flipping you off like that, you break check him. Locked your brain. Lock the brakes up. That's how bad of a bird that was. That's the biggest bird in NASCAR right there, ladies and gentlemen. Yeah, the one out the window doesn't even really matter anymore.

Now, we got a whole new bird level, a bird scale. It's been recalibrated, thanks to Blaney. Yeah. Next topic. Bubba Wallace says there's no more chances for the 14. He never gives me a chance to turn when racing Boyer on a restart at Martinsville. Freddie, this one is definitely for you. Spot on, spot off. Wait a minute here. I didn't think Brett's guy race people hard, man. What's the deal here. What a d'I. I know. Now, you know, obviously, so it started, I think, at Bristol where Clinton was on new tires at the end of the race and we were having a good run.

Bristol? No, it was real Bristol. And yeah, yeah, it did start at high racing Bristol, actually. But, I mean, I mean, them guys, they go ride motorcycles together and stuff. So they've been pretty, you know, friendly here the last while. But Bristol, he caught us, and as soon as he caught us, just moved us up the racetrack and gone, which whatever it is what it is. He's on new tires. He's got to go almost one of the race. Then we had that restart where we stay out and the 32 stays out. And he just kind of shoots us into one, three wide. I was like, oh, man, here we go. And that's Bubba starts to, hell would he have no more break? I don't know when we ever gave my break to begin with. I was going to say, what did the brakes start? Because I never saw that part of this friendship.

Yeah, me neither. So yeah, I don't know. And then, of course, later in the race, he's dive bombs into three, takes us three wide again. So that didn't help matters. But I'm sure they'll be fine, whatever. I've lived through this with drivers that weren't up front a lot, Casey.

And I've lived through this with drivers that are up front a lot. And you start seeing guys that you don't typically see typically see up there. And the first thing that goes through your head is a race car driver. And TJ, I think we'll attest to this, is this guy's going to hold me up. This guy's only on two tires that I'm on four. The more time I waste with this guy, the more positions I'm going to lose. It's go time. It's the end of a stage. Or it's go time. You know, we all just pitted. We all got tires or we're in our middle of a green flag cycle or it's the end of the race or whatever. I don't know what went through Clint's brain, which is normal for about anything that

that I would speak to as far as Clint goes. But I think it's a situation of you got two guys on the front row that aren't ever up there. They certainly aren't up there together. Lejoy's on no tires, Bubba's on two tires. Lugano was actually right behind the 32 car on this restart. And I think both Joy and Clint had a mentality of whoever gets by these two firsts is going to win the stage. And, you know, it sucks for Bubba to get moved up. Bubba still finished fifth in the stage.

So it's not like Clint completely ruined his stage or ruined his day. But I think it's the matter of if there's a new guy up here. is he going to choke? Is he going to do good? Is he going to go? You know what? I got to go. And then you go. T.J.? It's a racetrack, man. It's coming to the end of the stage.

Those stage points add up at the end of the year, man. When we start the playoffs, those things matter. You know, I didn't, that's just the way that, you know, Clint obviously decided, like Brett said, he needed to go. And he did whatever he thought needed to be done. He didn't wreck Bubba. didn't take them out. That's, I mean, it's a racetrack.

And, but the repercussions of this are that, you know, next time Clint needs a break from Bubba, Bubba's probably going to make it pretty hard on him to get around him if he can, you know? So that's just, these things will work themselves out on the racetrack. These drivers know how to do that. And Clint made a decision there that he had to go. Like, that didn't ruin his race, but definitely might have cost Bubba's point or stage point or two, but this is a long season and at some point they're going to be around each other again

and that's when it works itself out. Lapt car of Joey Logano holds up leader Chase Elliott allowing Denny Hamlin to make the winning pass at Homestead. Spot on, spot off, TJ. I mean, we're just trying to stay a lap down. Try not to go two laps down. spot on how many laps are left i don't know 20 20 something maybe yeah it was yeah it was maybe just over 20 i was a good half of track behind the leaders all night so i didn't get to see this uh i saw there were some tweets about it people saying you your guy ruined the race once again you managed to make everybody happy uh the guy strapped into the cars and the people watching on tv so congrats of that so what played out t j like what's going on up there um just running

the wall like the 15 all night and that's where the nine needed to run. We were obviously off a little bit. We had a little damage from pit road from the double zero on the caution where they opened pit road up for everybody and then actually held the one to go where they could have hit the lap cars the next lap and pit road wouldn't have been nearly as big of a mess as it was. But I don't know. This is what we talked about.

you know after Bristol you make decisions in the race car that affect other people's races and at some point you know the other driver however he chooses whether he goes down there and confronts the guy on pit road whether he goes down there

or doesn't say a thing, just handles it on the track there's repercussions for things that you do on the racetrack and had things gone differently a few weeks ago of Bristol maybe I don't know maybe it makes it easier, but these are just decisions that drivers make to race people hard. It's still a racetrack.

You know, last I saw there was zero contact or anything like that. But, you know, there's consequences to stuff that you do. As a spotter, we have tendencies at times to calm our guys down. We have tendencies at times to cheer our guys up. We also have tendencies at time to egg them on a little bit. Like, were you telling Joey how big the gap was from the leader to second? Were you telling them where the leader was running? Like, well, what information were you giving?

What was your role in all this? No different than any other catching us. Just, hey, the leaders coming. You know, the leaders of 90s, 20 back, running the wall, both ends. 11's, you know, they're racing for the lead. 11's 5 off of him, running a lane lower than him through the corner. No different than any info that I would give when Blaney caught us, when the A caught us. No different.

did you did you tell him to pull to the bottom when the 11 got outside the 9 because i noticed he run the top until the 11 got outside the 9 and then he run the bottom of 3 and 4 in front of the 9 and the 11 had the top he came back up on the corner on the straightaway obviously but he still he didn't run the top that corner for some reason I think it just the tires were cool enough and they gripped up on the bottom. I mean, obviously, I think if this is not the nine, the 22 obviously cuts these guys a little more slack. So I can't say that he's just going to run lap cars

bad. He's going to run like a lap car's in the way. TJ's always been on the winning side of these arguments because he's always spotted for, or not always, but for the most part spotted for the most popular driver in NASCAR. Look, I mean, Dale Jr. could have, he could have

could have done whatever he wanted. He could have wrecked both them guys. People, hey, the whole, yeah, the people in stands would have been throwing stuff at them, blaming them for Wreckingdale Jr. Oh, yeah, whatever. But now, dude, you're messing with the most popular driver in NASCAR right now. You better look out. Chase from the same place.

I'm going to take this. The last thing, the last thing that I saw was Chase messing with another guy that passed you clean, you sent him off into one, you wrecked him in the next corner. You know, this is why I don't get on social media that much because people get on there and you do this. And this is an prime example. Last night I got on there a little bit just to look and I'm like, forget this. I start scrolling down and I look and, you know, oh, well, you should have done it when you're on the same lap. Oh, well, you should have done it this way.

I don't make these decisions, first of all. I'm just, I mean, I'm part of, you know, these are things the drivers handle. But when things go well, T.J. is in control. When things don't go well, he's got nothing. nothing to do with it. That goes for every spotter, right? Let me make the decisions. I'll do the thinking.

Yeah, we got another spotter in a truck series, Chris Monez, who spots for Angela Ruck, who I guess told her let him do the thinking from now on. Yeah. It's probably better off. Let me do the thinking. I'm going to tell you, if you got a spotter that has to do the thinking for you, there's a hundred percent chance you should stay at home and do something completely different in driver race car.

if you haven't heard this audio yet you got to look it up and find it it's on radio it's on youtube it's angela angela rucks truck audio from saturday night it's funny though but i scroll on twitter and i look at some of the people that are saying well you should have done it when you're under the same lap you should have done it here you should have done that and i go to there and you tap on them and they're either background picture or their profile picture as a big old nine it or something like that you know so everyone's going to be biased to their favorite driver but um thanks for reading my tweets man I didn't read any of your thing. I'm saying I was posing the Zip guys.

I was messing with you. Sorry, Casey. You had a Casey moment where you didn't get it. Oh, yeah, I got you. Even I got that one. I don't know. I don't know. Take a Drake.

Oh, boy. Spot on, spot off. NASCAR president Steve Phelps says 80% of fans approve of the current high, downforce, low horse. Power Arrow Package in the Cup series. Brett. T.J. Freddie and myself at the beginning of every year are required to go through a procedure that allows us to show up to work. And then randomly throughout the season, we have to go through this same procedure

where we have to pass a drug test. And if 80% of our fans have voted that way, there is a 100% chance that we need to drug test these people. There we go. I think that clearly outlines your thoughts. thought. Obviously, if you've seen what these fan survey questions look like, it is super misleading to what, you know, some of the, just sample questions are, would you, would you prefer less passing and more horsepower or more passing and less horsepower? What race car fan is going to say he

wants less passing? In the world. I mean, so obviously you say that. Now, here you go. Objective, Your Honor, leading the witness. People right here, they want less horsepower. You can tell right here by this question. No. Are you kidding me? I mean, geez. I mean, there's more. There's four or five questions on there. Do you want the leader to win by a little or a lot? A little, please. Okay, well, now we're to run this high down for the watch package so that

they can be bunched up more. I mean, it's 100% misleading questions. It's, you know, I say that whole fan surveys. Well, T.J., honestly, why would you let the tail wag the dog? I don't know. Just imagine Susan.

behind Casey right now. Her dog's doing this and the tail sits still. Like, that's how that looks. I don't, you see passing when guys have to really drive the race cars, when they have handling issues. Right now, we don't have, in my opinion, we don't have nearly as much handling issues as we should,

especially down to the corner looseness. We don't see guys. We got guys running in that are screaming loose and they're three inches off the fence. you know and there's these things like watching the nine and the 12 and them guys run the wall they didn't they look like slot cars like we would say before like the nine could run so fast against the wall into one it almost like before i like i had to reprogram myself what that looked like last night because he was going so fast into the corner against the wall did it not look odd to

you a couple of times i felt like he was turning right i thought he looked like he was turning right into the wall like when he was carrying he was carrying so much speed of the 20 percent mark of the corner, it's unreal. I don't, you can't, you can't disturb the air behind a guy like we need to be able to do still. These guys are not, I know they say loose, but they can, these race cars, you're going to be able to get them loose and tight no matter what, you know, there's going to be a handling issue, but not like you need to be able to escalate those handling issues to create

passing, in my opinion. So I still look at that back spoiler and that's a big, you know, this could be a question later in the show for Cole maybe too. when he comes on, but what would happen if we knocked most of that spoiler off? You know what I mean? How would these guys, will they just spend out on the straightaways? You know, I doubt it. But, yeah, I think we've talked about this,

but me with both of you guys. And you don't, I mean, obviously you'd want, ideally in a perfect world, you want as much horsepower as you can get and there's a little bit of downforce you can get, and that I think would be the best racing. But I don't think you need to give the big horsepower if you take the downforce away.

Like just take, make these things harder to drive, and you could probably make it work with the lower horsepower. But right now, the two opposites like that, the high down force and the low horsepower, it's just making it way too easy for these guys. Go back and look at an IROC race. They're not crazy horsepower cars. They just don't have any down force in them. And those guys could put on good races in those cars.

So I think there's a formula there that we could creep in on a little bit more. But I definitely think it would help the mile and a half stuff. What is Offerpad? Well, put simply, we're your online home buyer. Offerpad is the modern home selling solution with a personalized human touch that lets you skip all the traditional headaches. We buy your home from you so you can move forward the moment you're ready. We've had the pleasure of helping thousands of happy home sellers and we'd love to help you. Getting started is easy.

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Yo, yo. Yo. What's up? How much? How are you guys? Still got racing stuff behind you, man. We're good. I see that.

I know. I had to put that. I had to dig it out of storage to put it up. Thanks for coming on a show, dude. We see your tweets all the time, man. And I'm a pretty unfiltered guy. TJ is the exact opposite of that. Freddy's somewhere in the middle.

So I was like, hey, Dale Jr. and I were texting a few weeks ago. And he's like, you guys need a really dynamic guest on your show. And after seeing some of your tweets being critical of what's being said on the broadcast, I'm like, hey, Colpurn is our dynamic guy. He's the guy we're bringing on here. So thanks for jumping on, dude. No worries. I hadn't watched it from home in a long time.

And it's like, now you're like, what the fuck are they talking? Hey, well, we're there at the track going, what the fuck? So we get it. I just, I haven't watched the race on TV in long. time, you know? Yeah. So, so I got to ask you, man, you come out of Canada. You're a racer. I actually, I don't think a lot of people know that about you, a very accomplished carting racer. Like, do you get recruited to come to NASCAR or you decide, man, I'm moving south to try to make it in NASCAR? Like, how did that play out? Yeah, I just, I was running a late model at the time and working full time and was

like, this isn't sustainable. So I, yeah, quit racing and then just moved down and pound it on doors until I got got a job and then went from there. Yeah. Cool. Well, I got to ask you this because I've worked with Todd Barrier before at RCR. I know you were at RCR for a while. And you and Todd kind of got reconnected there, obviously, on the Colorado spin. Like, you were a guy that's known to push the envelope.

You and Chad Knaus, Rodney Childers. Like, there's just certain guys that seem to take it to the limit, get all you can out of tech. Todd is one of the more innovative guys in NASCAR. car. Like, was he your biggest mentor or, or if not, who was your biggest mentor through the through kind of coming up the ranks and teaching you the way to, to get all you can out of these cars? Hands down. I mean, Todd, Todd's still my biggest mentor. You know, we, we talk all the time. I wouldn't, it's just amazing. You get connected with people and, you know, who you end up,

you know, tying in together. And to get tied with Todd was just, you know, luckiest thing that ever happened to me. So he, yeah, I mean, It was huge even when went to Gibbs, you know, just having him there was was huge, you know, just always there for me, always, you know, sounding bored, just, you know, I don't know, he's one of my best friends for sure. Cool. Freddie, what's you got? Yeah, you know, I just, you know, obviously, like you said, I was surprised just doing a little

the background and just how much you raced before, you know, I never even heard of the race and you see your national champion, go car racer, some late models, you know, run the late models a bunch, you know, pinty series stars, stuff like that. How much do you think that plays into being a crew chief? You know, you see a guy like you, a guy like Rodney, that have driving experience. There's not a whole lot of guys like that. You know, how much do you think that plays into, you know, helping you become a better crew chief? I think it helps.

I think it's just racing on your own, too. Like, you know, you make mistakes. It's just like the perfect time to, you know, screw up. And, you know, you're like, well, that didn't work. And, you know what I mean? And, I mean, I was okay, but I wasn't, you know, the next Richard Petty or anything like that. So you understand when you have a good car and you have a bad car. you can usually do better.

So I think, you know, that definitely helps when, you know, the driver's telling you the thing drives like a bucket of crap and you believe them, you know? So it's, yeah, I don't know. I don't think it hurts. I think just growing up around, I mean, my dad raced, and that's just all I ever did and was all ever around. So I know it just comes back to that's what you know more than anything else. So it definitely, definitely helps you.

I think everything you do in life kind of prepares you for what you go into. So definitely a huge part of my life. yeah it's the same way i was growing up my dad same thing that's all i ever did was race yeah i don't know any different how do you um how would you feel you know a creed chief now there's no practice deal i mean would you be i mean looking forward to it would you would you be on the fence about it oh i hate it i like it as a race man you know what i mean it's a different perspective but no i don't know i always felt like our team's strength was like using practice to to get better and then

analyze it and work all night and then get better for the race. So I think, like, wouldn't play into our team strengths, you know, if anything. So I would be, I would be pretty nervous. But you don't, you can only be, you can't be that nervous about it because it's just what it is and then you're into it, right? It's just so little you can do on a pit stop, you know. You miss it, you miss it. Oh, I know.

Oh, I know. Right. I got a question for you, Cole. knowing these cars from last year, same package, basically, what's one thing you would change on the cars? Do you make it, put it back in the driver's hands a little bit? I'd for sure go back the lower down force route. I don't know.

I hated this racing. It was really difficult. I don't know. It's just, I mean, you guys see it all the time. You know, you're getting one bad spot and all this, you know, you could have worked for 20 laps to gain positions. You can get one bad spot. And then you lose every.

everything you gained, if not more, you know, or you get put in a bad spot on a restart and then you're done, you know? So it's, I think it's frustrating to work on. Obviously, it's the challenge and, you know, you got to take it on and get better at it. But for sure, I just, I miss having to slow down for the corners and outhandle a guy and that side of things, you know, I just think, you know, so there, some of the racetracks are, the majority of the racetracks, the corner, right? So I just don't know that you're ever going to, you know, get away from having dirty air. So I think, you know, having softer tires and lower down forces, I think, I don't know, I think that's better racing.

But who knows? I think it'd be interesting to try with the low horsepower, just go low downforce, low horsepower and see. When you look at the tire piece of it, we just went to a track where Clint was really upset and said they, quote, brought the worst tire they could have brought here. Does Goodyear consult with the crew chiefs and the drivers? Is there a committee? Like I hear that far too often as good year brought the worst tire. Like did you guys have, did you have a voice in that process?

I don't know. I went through a lot of tire tests over the years. I mean, that was one thing that sucked about the 78 was we didn't have a test team. So we at any time it was our turn, we had to go. So yeah, I don't know. I mean, a lot of times you get there and they kind of, unless, you know, they have a plan for what they're already thinking. It's just more like they want to confirm what they're already thinking, I guess. So, but it's super.

You guys know what it's like. You go test on a green racetrack versus going there and having, you know, 40 cars run around and rubber the groove in. I just, it's never the same. So I don't know. Yeah, that's a tough. I don't want to touch that one. I don't say nice things.

You being a guy that pushed that envelope so freaking hard all the time. And I can't remember how many times on Twitter I would read that the 78 failed tech or that the 19 failed tech. Like, you got to give us a race, man, that you got away with way more than they knew you had in that car. Give us one of them. Tell them. I don't know. I think you're always getting away with it.

I don't know. You used to sometimes go with the mindset. You throw 20 things on there and you might get caught with five, but that means you still got 15 through. Yeah, that's the name of the game. So obviously, I mean, going back and reading your tweets after these races is probably one of my favorite things to do on the plane. And obviously, nothing you say is wrong.

You're just calling out for a better term, you know. Like when you're crew chief in back, you know, whatever, you know, the last four or five years, whatever it was, was there a guy like you, that you could go back and read that was kind of armchair quarterback? And he'd go, I wish this guy would just shut the fuck up. You know, whatever, fuck that guy. But, you know what I mean?

Was there another guy like that that you, like, just drove you crazy? That's what Twitter is all about, race fans. Oh, that's it. They're the ones drive you crazy. Yeah, everyone's an expert at home, right? So now I'm just in that group. I don't know. But Jeff Gordon made the comment yesterday about side force,

and he was saying running up against the wall, and obviously I didn't hear it, we were working, but was he saying that running up against the wall helps you get more side force? Is that what you were arguing with him about there? Yeah, and then I was just, he was saying, like, if you're looser, you go run up the wall,

but I've never seen my life someone be like, oh, I'm sideways, I'm going to go run the high line. You know what I mean? Like, I mean, the same thing, like Chase was saying, like chase was super fast around the wall but he was plowing anywhere else and that's you know denny could move around you know that was it was obvious to watch like that was his his strength for sure so i don't know that was that was more the back it was more of the balance thing like i don't know if you're loose you're going to definitely you're going to turn more so you're

going to run the bottom so you guys know that yeah one of the questions we get a lot is you know we got it last week about you know just teams going with similar packages and stuff And then you've seen a race like Martinsville where, you know, all the Panty cars rose to the occasion. They were all pretty much the same. All the Hensler cars were the same. Then you had the 19 just seemingly way better than the other Gibbs cars. I mean, what kind of factors would play in or something like that? Yeah, I mean, obviously the cars are same, but set up for sure would be different.

I can't say that for sure, obviously. But, you know, obviously in years past, yeah, we'd all be a bit different. I don't know. I think, you know, definitely in the 19th is more the black sheep, if anything, out of that. group. So just, you know, I think we always had our own way of doing things, you know, kind of previously. So we just kept on that same path. So yeah, I would say if anyone was going to stand out from the group, I wouldn't be surprised if it was them. So I think, and I think you saw that. So I don't know those other guys, if they could have restarted the race with where they got

adjustment wise, they would be a lap down too, you know, like, yeah. I think like the 18 actually got okay. He just got screwed on that one run and, and then was stuck. you know, buried the rest of the time. I got a question for you. Martinsville, last week, you know, obviously Martin gets a little bit of damage in the right front. I've seen Dale Jr. take a car in the past, cut the whole right front fender off it

and haul the mail the rest of the race. Do you think there could be a possible advantage to, I mean, y'all had that saw. You guys are the ones that brought the saw out to begin with. is there um and it was well done i mean it was well done to where it was i don't think it was really hurting him aerodynamically wise but do you think keeping that tire a little bit cool can help you in the long run there uh i don't think it would hurt yeah i mean you run bead cooling and stuff like that to to cool the tires i think it would hurt the short run if anything you know i think

that's where you'd see the difference maybe when on the water it would overpower but you'd think you'd get hurt on the short run a bit more than he did which was i was surprising i was wondering to see how that would go, but he seemed to take off still okay. So I don't know. I just, you never think arrow matters in Martin'sville. And then I just remember last year we went there with that big ass spoiler and splitter. And it was like, holy cow, we were like flying at Martinsville. You know, like it was crazy how much faster it was.

So it's like to say the arrow part doesn't matter is, you know, you can't say that either for sure. Yeah. What, speaking of rules, man, obviously you're smart guy. Like what is the one rule that you would like to see change to? I'm not going to call it the dumbest rule in the cup series, but what is the one rule in the cup series you would completely do away with? It would have to do something with rear toe alignments. I just, I hate the one.

The one that kills me is the left rear toe. You can't have the left rear toe too towed out. So it's like everyone knows the right rear has got to be straight ahead or, you know, can't have skew in the car or whatever. But you always be like, oh, I want to make sure we pass. And then you move, you take too much. much skew out to be safe and then you fail the left for being too much the other way. That's, that's, whenever you see a car chief getting kicked out or team member kicked out,

I swear that's what happens, 80% of the time. So just that rule, I swear if you took that rule out, you would have way less people failing like second and third time attack. Yeah. Well, they, NASCAR listeners to our show. So the good news is they may take your advice because they've taken a lot of our advice, even though they won't give us credit. We'll say something on here.

All of a sudden. Restarts. I would have some sort of way for the third place car to not be at a disadvantage to the fourth place car. Yeah, we talked about that last week, man. Like, it's crazy you can come off for pit road second and fourth place being an advantage. That's just, it's arbitrary. I mean, the only way, the only reason it's lined up third and fourth is because he used to raise short tracks and the inside line was better. So now you're on 1.5 mile, you know, drafting cars essentially.

You know what I mean? So it's like, how is it relevant? I got two more question, man. You have said publicly that your lifestyle was kind of the reason you guys up and left and obviously went back to Canada. If the race operation stays open in Colorado where you have access to a lot of the same things that you're enjoying now on day-to-day basis, would you still be in NASCAR? Maybe. Maybe it wouldn't be on the road, though. You know, I think the road life just takes a toll on you for sure, especially. You know, maybe there would have been something in the shop.

You know, we loved it in Colorado for sure. the only reason we moved back to Canada is because they needed health care. So I don't, that's the truth, you know. I mean, if it wasn't going to work, I couldn't afford private health care. So, yeah, just, yeah, I don't know, I loved it. Yeah, we loved it out there. It was a great group of guys as like family, you know what I mean? So maybe it's so hypothetical, you know, I don't know.

Obviously, it was a hard, you know, transition to just up, you know, both our kids were born in Colorado, you know, it's just up and move and, you know, tear them out of their lives and stuff like that. So that never really sat, you know, sat well with us. But it was what it is. You got to have a job. So, I mean, can't complain about it is what it is. So, yeah, just, I don't know, maybe, maybe. What do the odds, cold partner ever comes back to NASCAR?

Beats me. I don't know. Never say never. I've learned that enough, you know, so I could be easily out of a job and need a paycheck. at some point, so I'm not going to say never. So I got two more questions. One was, you know, being his opinionated jar, and you could feel free to give him shit even though he's sitting right there.

What did you think about TJ screwing up the whole end of the race last night by keeping Joey in the way? Have you guys covered that yet? Oh, yeah, we ripped him about it. What was his answer? Oh, just, you know, he's just running his line, he said. Go ahead, TJ. I just don't know how he, how does Joey differentiate between who he's in a feud with? because like last year you're fighting with danny at martinsville and then because chase is more recent i guess

so like i thought that was that i'm like i was like isn't he a feud with hamlin too i mean i i remember the last race of martin'sville danny running us into the fence off of for and flattening our tire right um but you know i think when you're when you pass a guy in the end of the race like a like at bristol or something and he he's he runs you up the track and then he just destroys you. I think that kind of overshadows the brush into the wall last year at point. All right. So I got a question.

So if you were spotting for Chase of Bristol, would you have told him to leave the bottom and let you guys in there? No, I mean, I couldn't believe he went up to the top so early. We were really good on the short run. We were really fast in the short run. And we needed the bottom. So I would have taken the bottom, you know, until until, until they get position, you know, take their preferred line away.

That's what you can do. Like last year, last year at Dover, and, you know, once you go a lab down, especially a place like Dover, it's hard to get back. We were just stuck. Like, we were able to, you guys had a super fast car, but with this package, man, you were just stuck behind us. And there's nothing you can do. And it shouldn't be like that.

These guys should be able to move or get to the rear spoiler. You get to the rear spoiler. now it does nothing. You used to be able to get to the rear spoiler and move the car. Yeah. Yeah, at least had an option there before. Now you don't. Yeah.

So Joy only has a few guys mad at him. He's got Chase Elliott mad at him. He's got Denny Hamlin mad at him. He's got Kyle Busch mad at him. He's got Truex mad at him from when he moved. Truex, obviously with you guys. He's got the 12, his own teammate flipping them all. Joy is definitely winning Mr. Congeniality this year.

He's giving Kyle a run for his money. It's something to watch. That's for sure. Joy came on a show last year. and I was like, Joey, I've never seen a driver get swung at more than people have swung at you on pit, right? It's, I mean, Tony Stewart. I mean, Tony, yeah, Tony's been in a handful. Well, this never ends.

Things. But so in your, like, I don't have a say in what goes on. Like, I'll never encourage, you know, stuff on the track. The drivers will handle it themselves. And that's what I said, you know, that to me, that's the best thing that you can do is let the drivers handle it. And they're all going to handle it different ways. Um, you know, obviously Joey, you know, didn't want to make it easy for Chase. And Chase obviously didn't make it easy on him at Bristol.

Um, yeah. But that's everyone handles things in different ways. And that's what makes our sport great. You know, some of these guys, the way they handle it, we need, we need little things to happen like this to, oh, what's going to happen here? Oh, no, you know, um, we need stuff to go on like that. Like honestly, looking at, um, with 15 to go in 2018, I was like, this couldn't have been scripted any better, you know.

Martin's leading a race. Joey's catching him. I'm going to punt him out of the way. They just drove right around us. There wasn't no excitement. But I mean, you couldn't have laid it out any better for a year's worth of racing. And, you know, to what happened, you know, with four races to go. And honestly, if that doesn't happen at Martinsville, with what happened at Phoenix,

we're probably not running a homestead for the championship, you know. And, you know, obviously winning the championship's awesome. You know how that is. a lot of fun. It's way more fun than not winning it. Yes, it is. But it's good, you know. I mean, it's good for the sport

to have things like that go on. All right, so we are a spotter podcast, and you had one of the funniest probably spotters. So give us your best Clayton Hughes story. Oh, I don't know if I can say that on TV. He said the same thing about you. I'm like, give me a good cold story. He's like, I'm not talking.

Clay and I Clay and I had a lot of years together Yeah I mean Cuzz is awesome right He's uh I don't know I think I don't know It's all interesting with you guys right I just think you guys are

You know you guys talk a lot for spotters Not offensively you know what I mean But you give you guys a lot of info like Martin's One of the ones that doesn't eat a lot You know you need somebody You know Give them the basics and And then just be kind of that

cheerleader or keep a light kind of guy and clayton's perfect for that you know so good combo for martin i seemed like when i worked with worked with kurt you know he wanted nothing like carly's spot and it was like it was like a waste of carelli's talent you know because he just didn't want anything so yeah i don't know clayton's hilarious i i just can't imagine what he's like up on spotter stand so he's usually pacing up and down and walking he's all he's lost up there man it's it's so funny it's indian in him He's got a wild fog, for sure. He's a nervous fucking wreck up there, dude.

He is so nervous, man, all the time. Probably because he's usually got me in his other radio being like, what the fuck? Dude, he will literally tell you he's nervous. Oh, man, I'm so nervous. It's like, dude, take Xanax. Call the fucking down. I mean, talk about a great guy, though.

I mean, Clayton, if, you know, talk about you murdered somebody, you need somebody to help bury the body in the whole night, Clayton's that kind of friend, you know. He's a bearer the body fan for sure. We're seeing lead fall out of race cars, man. Like, when you see this on TV, does it drive you nuts? Like, what's the first thing that comes to mind?

I always was amazed that nothing fell off the car every week. I mean, I know what we would do with like five minutes before the garage closes. Like, all right, we're going to go to the ground and move nose weight. Or we're going to move nose weight on scales. And then we're going to, like, you're changing tires, you know, it's flying everywhere. And then you're, like, pushing the car to get out. for tech, you know, I was amazed that more stuff never fell off before that. And I know people,

like, rip it online, be like, oh, how could that happen and stuff? I'm like, it could easily happen. I mean, you move nose weight, you move nose weight in these cars, like, like, you change air pressure. Like, you just constantly changing it. And all of a sudden, the bolt doesn't get tight or something gets forgotten or, you know, you go to get a wrench and you get sidetracked. And I know that's a shitty excuse, but that's what happens, you know, it's still human error at end of the day. Yeah, I'm honestly surprised. Me too. If you're going to pick a week to get suspended, which week are you picking? Like, which race? Because I have got three kids and I've only missed two races in 20 plus years. And one of them I got to schedule. And they were like, we're going to have this

baby, you know, around this time in September. And I was like, we're going to have it September 4th. And the lady goes, why? And I was like, because I'm supposed to be in Fontana, California. And I don't want to go. That's what Fontana suck. It would be Tallega. I think I've got voluntarily get suspended for Taledaleigh. I hate Speedway racing. I mean, DJ, at least you can go and win. Whoever you spot for, you usually win, so you do a good job. Dale Jr. is cleared by five.

Just driving away, bud. We like Talladega here because we can make a difference. We feel like, you know, that's... Look at Martin's career stats on Speedways. It's pretty solid. Yeah, maybe that's why Clayton's so nervous. I was nervous at all. I knew we were going to rack.

We'd be like finishing the car. I'm like, I don't know why you guys are working on this thing so hard. It's just going to be like loaded on casters after the reason. Yeah, Martin, you know, he had a very good shot. He was pretty much going to win the 500. And then the door just opened for Denny in three and four. just lined up perfectly for him. You got to be on the outside coming to the line.

Oh, you got to. Yeah, or, yeah. Or you'd wreck them. Yeah, yeah. Everyone was mad we'd finish second that race. I couldn't believe we'd finish second in the Speedway race. I was super happy. Yeah, that, I don't know.

One thing about Martin is we were there in 2004 together when he was driving the chance to stuff. and me and him almost went out in the grass together. We were hanging. We were sitting there watching a race and dodging his pit box. And we almost went out in the grass when he won that race. And we tried to go to Victory Lane and we couldn't get to Victory Lane because there was too many people there. And Jeff Clark walks up, you know Jeff Clark, I'm sure, walks up behind both of us, grabs us both by the back of the necks and carries us both into Victory Lane.

I don't know if you ever knew that or not. Oh, that's cool. That was, yeah, one of the early day stories. Yeah, he had good stuff. He had good luck in the Xfinity cars, you know, or, bush cars back then but I don't know cups spent tough coal it's a tall fence between those garages though good deal man we're uh thanks thanks for uh dude thanks for coming on

please keep tweeting during the broadcast so we live for being tagged in some of those tweets after the race so I go I go every week trying not to and then I'll get irritated and put something you can't hope you so hey just see you know in in 2018 I didn't wear any goggles and when we celebrated the championship I hate that. Go back and look. Everyone's like, oh, they do that in other sports. I'm like, the one sport they never do that is hockey.

You'll never see a Stanley Cup celebration with a bunch of hockey players wearing ski. Yeah, hockey coming back, baby. Thank God. Who's your favorite hockey team? Oh, I'm a Leafs fan. I'm a perennial loser. Yeah, well, I'm a Sabers fan, so we have a good little rivalry. Oh, yeah, you got a worse.

That's like one of the few franchises. I feel like it's got it worse. It's pretty bad. Before we let you get out of here, we've got to ask you some questions for our sponsor. Sure. All right. It's time for Cole to answer our offer pad questions of the week in Rapid Firestyle. First question, Cole, when did you buy or build your house?

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Clean if I'm doing it, dirty if it's my wife doing it. That's the exact opposite of my husband. Do you make your bed in the morning? No. I feel good about myself. all of a sudden. There's this smart billionaire guy. He doesn't make us bad either.

I got a... I don't know anybody. Who does? I'm a teenager. Let's see. When you come home and just need to sit down, where's your go-to spot? I got one chair. Sit in.

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Yeah, have a good one. It's time to hit the gas and take our expinity speed from the track. to the studio. Let's jump into our weekly Xfinity Fast Lane segment where each person will have 10 seconds to answer six questions. Question number one. After Martin Truex Jr.'s Martinsville win, Sherry Pollux tweeted asking why the crew members can't go to Victory Lane with masks on since they sit in the hauler together. Should NASCAR change the Victory Lane policy? Brett, what do you think? Yes, they should change the policy.

We're flying on the same planes. We're riding in the same cars. We're staying in the same hotels. We are doing it as safely as we possibly can. Look, what's the point of wearing a mask? Why do I wear a mask if I can't be around you? I thought that was the point in the mask. Otherwise, if I can't be near you, let me take the mask off.

I think this isn't a NASCAR thing. I truly think it's a state government thing. I also think it's to some degree an optics thing because we can't look like we're not being safe. but no, I side with her 100%. Like, how can Freddie win his first Xfinity series race ever last week and not be able to go take a picture with the damn trophy? That's why we do this.

I also think just to add to this quickly, like the victory lane photos. That was way more than 10 seconds. I'm trying to find the dinger. But the victory lane photos where the driver is getting out of a car and like taking photos with the mask and the photographers, like even normal victory lane, very far away. If the driver is the only one standing, in there, why is he even wearing a mask?

That's, yeah. He's protecting himself from himself? I guess they're trying to be safe. Like, it is fair that they are taking all precautions, but I feel like that I've seen a lot of comments around that specific, those specific victory lien photos. Tim Feta was sat in my lap the whole way home last night essentially on an airplane. So that's awkward. Why can't me and him go take a picture together somewhere?

Come on, man. It's time to loosen up some of this stuff, Freddie. I'll expect a picture next week. Yeah, that's weird. TJ, what do you think? Uh, yeah, I think this stuff's all laid out beforehand. And until we get to a, you know, until we get to a more safe, secure spot, I don't think, um, it does think that you can't go there and because these races are hard to win.

And when you do win, you want to go down there and take a picture. Um, and it has something to remember it by, you know, see the guys that you won with. And, you know, it's a group effort, um, these races. It takes a whole team to win these races. Um, but yeah, it does think that you can't go down there and do that. But I understand the times. Do you not hear the dinger? I can't hear it.

That was the dinger? Yeah. Freddy, you're up. Obviously, they're trying to separate the driver from the cruise. So you're talking about the crews in the hauler. It's not really equivalent to the drive, because I don't think the driver's in the hauler. It's not supposed to be anyway.

But, yeah, we said this when they came out with these rules. I think you can figure out a way to do it and socially distance each other and have your masks on and figure out a right way to do it. Question number two. The Xfinity series has, two entertaining races at Homestead over the weekend. Is the Xfinity Series racing product currently better than the Cup Series?

Freddie. 1,000% next. Brett. We can hear the binger, Jason. Congratulations on not sucking anymore. When you talk about a guy named Ross Chastain that drives everything he can drive. He came on the show last year and he said the Xfinity Series package is the most fun package to drive out of all three series. There's your answer.

Your drivers even believe that. Yes, it's a better package in the Cup series. TJ? Yeah, there's more tools for the drivers to use. And these guys, the Cup guys, need these tools. These guys, you know, the aggressive Cup guys up front need these tools. You need to be able to follow somebody off into the corner and get them loose. You need to be able to move the air a little bit, you know, when you're faster than a guy.

You shouldn't be stuck behind them. Question number three, NASCAR announced that there will continue to not be any practice and qualifying for all races through. at least August 2nd. Do you agree with this decision, or do you wish to see some form of it returned sooner? T.J. I agree with the decision right now.

I think the way this format's working is great for the times. When you add practice and qualifying in there, you're adding a whole other element, another day possibly. I think NASCAR has done a great job with a condensed schedule right now and should keep how it is.

Yeah. I mean, I agree. The racing's been good. bigger teams are missing it more than I thought they would. You've seen guys at Martinsville that were way, way off, you know, just no practice. So I think it's giving these small teams a little bit of an advantage, maybe. Right. Man, I just look at guys like Ryan Blaney and Denny Hamlin and Kyle Busch

all getting a lap at Martinsville. If we go out there and practice for five minutes, that never happens. It's a brand new dynamic to the sport that we've never had. And, man, you're a crew chief and engineer, man. You better have your shit together. Within the eight races since NASCAR's return, grade the overall quality of racing you've witnessed. Brett. Oh, I haven't had very good results, Casey.

I've had some fast cars at places. Had a chance to win Darlington. I thought I'd had a chance to win at least a couple more, and we haven't. So my grade is a F. I ain't happy. I didn't ask what your grade was, by the way. I know, but I'm tired of being nice to everybody. I'm going to be like you, TJ, and be a selfish prick.

I'm giving it an F solely based on my personal experience. T.J. I think there's been really good moments. I think they did the right thing for the short track stuff. I think we've had some good races this year. But I still think we're missing it in a mile and a half stuff. So I got to go maybe a B. Yeah, I was going to say B.

I think the only, I mean, you've had great short track races. Darlington was pretty good. Charlotte really brought the grade down, I would say, you know, Without Charlotte on there, you know, that was terrible. I didn't, I thought Atlanta wasn't that bad. Obviously, the end kind of sucked, but the middle of the race is pretty good. Speaking of Charlotte, man, we could really, I got a good idea for the All-Star race. I think we should, I think we should move that thing to Bristol.

What are you guys think? Hey, I'm all for it as long as they let me race. T.J., you're going to say, I don't know, or are you going to comment on this one? I think a short track is a great place to have the All-Star race. especially a track that might have had some drama already this year. Yeah. I mean, obviously, I think, I mean, obviously we're kind of joking around here because we might have heard rumors about this already.

But I didn't hear a rumor. Yeah, I know. Another rumor I heard, though, was, you know, if we do move to Bristol, they're not going to have the All-Star Open, which I think would be a terrible idea because I feel like that All-Star Open is probably a better show than the All-Star Race at times when guys are just laying it all on the line to get in that all-star race. And I mean, we had three great finishes to stages last year, and the year before was even better.

So, you know, I think that would be a big mistake if they don't run the open. But I understand for expense-wise, it's tough for a team to go up there to run. With a great format, with a great format and a short track like Bristol, the all-star race, the sky is the limit. Here's the thing, man. Look, I was kidding with my answer back. rating the season as an F. Obviously, it's not an F. It's an A plus for NASCAR, simply getting us back on track in this difficult time. But when I leave the racetrack every Sunday, I get on a plane and I ask myself,

if I were a fan, would I pay to come back next year to watch that race? And I've never left a race at Bristol and said no. I've always said yes. And if you take and say, all right, we're going to have an all-star race with the 20 best guys in our sport. Wow. Like, there's not a better bullring. There's not a better racetrack. Obviously, it is a bullring in America for that event. So let's hope that a rumor that we've heard that is going to turn into a fact, possibly very soon comes true. Super Speedway races have been all about avoiding numerous big ones in the last few years. Switch rolls and become the driver. How do you stay clean and in contention until the finish? Freddie. Luck. I mean, obviously you can ride. There's two

options. You got to be in the top two or three riding or the last two or three riding. It's only, I mean, you're not safe back there either, but that's a safer place. I want the lead, man. That was one thing I really enjoyed about spotting for Elliot is he wanted to be in the front and he wanted to be up there trying to control the race, control the lanes. And look, I've been, I've been a wrecked running second, but I've also been run over running 35th by one of them guys that doesn't have a spot or not to pay attention. So give me to lead, T.J. Yeah, those races, much easier to control from the lead. Much safer, been wrecked from the lead before, though.

Yeah, I don't know if there's anything you can do. Definitely a little safer in the lead, but I don't know if there's much you can do, it's a lot. Off the wall question. A Virginia family found nearly $1 million in two bags lying on the road and contacted the police. If you came across that money on the road, what would be your move? What is it? Uh, what money? No money here.

Freddie. Much is not me. Who tells us? We had number one, rule number one, rule number two is the same as always been. Rule number three is never tell on yourself. God, I mean, what are you doing? Brett. I think I'll be a...

I think I'd be a... I think I'd be afraid somebody was watching me and it'd be drug money and I'd get shot. That'd be my only reservation about this situation. Brett's got a new Ferrari. Where'd that come from? You're doing it right. Paying cash for it, too. Bray got an 80-foot yacht on Blake Norman.

Hey, T.J. Have you ever seen the movie Office Space? I probably have, but I don't remember it. You should watch it. You talk. I was watching it this weekend. You talk just like the boss. You're like, um, yeah.

So, like it's so funny. That case. Get back to work. Just like that, we're almost at the end of the show. Wow, that went by way too fast, Xfinity fast. You know what else is blazing fast out there? It's got to be Xfinity Internet. You know it. Get reliably fast speeds for all your streaming needs.

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because the penalty and repercussions are severe With the accelerated tech process now, what are the teams trying to get away with that cause these issues with the 11 and 98? Freddie. I mean, it's been happening a couple times. We've seen it in practice, and it's probably not as publicized because it's on practice,

and a lot of people maybe not watching practice. Obviously, I still think 11 was, I don't know what they were doing, it was something shady for it to not come out during qualifying and come out as soon as he rolled off. I think this 98 deal was either they added some at the racetrack and forgot to put the cap back on and tighten it up or left a shop like that. I would tend to think it'd probably something they changed at the racetrack

and didn't get tightened up and buttoned up again. But, yeah, just, I mean, it's happened, and you see the same penalty again. But it's just a little more prominent now because it's in the race and not in practice. Right. Everybody's got a job to do, man. And, you know, Freddie is insinuating

that maybe the 11 was trying to gain some sort of an advantage. And if that's the case, the guy still had a job of doing it. Certainly what to let the lead fall out. So do your job and we don't have these issues. You know what happens in this situation is you're sitting there. And listen, these crew guys are sitting around. They can't see anything sitting on pit road.

And all of a sudden, you know, TV goes, oh, there's lead on the racetrack. And you know whoever did it. It goes, oh, I forgot to tighten down that lead. And then you're like, you're scared to look on TV because you know it was your car. There ain't no doubt in your mind that your dumb ass the left the lead loose. How many, how many, would you say, what is there, there 40 guys in the McFindy race, not 36? You think there was 36 guys in their pants when that,

hey, there's lead on a racetrack. And all 36 were like, did I, did I, uh, I don't remember. I think I tightened it. I'm not sure. I mean, Megan leaves here every morning and then text me an hour later and goes, can you double check, make sure I close the garage door? So I know exactly what all these people go through all the time. Hey, I got home last night and I reached in my pocket.

And I had my damn rental car keys. My rental car's in Miami and my keys in my pocket. And I'm like, what an idiot. Hey, you do, you let the lead loose. The minute they come out radio go, man, man, somebody's lead is laying on the racetrack. You know that guy's like, oh, man, that's our lid, but I ain't telling nobody. Maybe it's another car's lead. Somebody, I heard a rumor that there was no numbers on it.

And the only reason they knew who it was because Junior was talking about it said it had come out of 98. There was a picture. I think there was a picture that had that showed it and had a 98 on it. 98 on it. Yeah. I wouldn't put my numbers on my lead either. I put somebody else's number. I'd be like,

who here is Chase Elliott. He got some lead lead on the racetrack. Yeah, they had, they had pretty good video of it coming out on the front stretch. You couldn't miss it on the show. When the cars were swerving,

yeah, when all those guys were swerving back and forth and stuff. Yeah. What do you think the driver thinks about? Like he starts swerving, all of a sudden you hear like, Klein, client, Klein, client,

oh, oh, no. Uh-oh. I mean, you've hit some big bugs before with your car, truck and you've heard the sound it makes imagine a piece of lead or tungsten hitting your car it destroys it like yeah and not to mention the reason why this is such a big penalty is because it's highly dangerous if we get at speed and that comes out at speed and starts bouncing down the racetrack and get some air that's highly dangerous so there's a reason why um this is such a severe

penalty for crew chiefs and engineers and car chiefs and stuff and it's also one of the most moved pieces for adjustment during practice and stuff too moving nose weight and stuff like that that's why these guys are moving it all weekend and stuff a lot during practice and that that's why um there's some room for air there very unique situation here too a very very unique situation in which these three guys get suspended and they have to race the next day so they're in miami now they're three people short so now the stewart hoss racing team has to fly three additional people from North Carolina down to Miami to take their place, which is and can be a logistical nightmare. Just imagine this happening to a much smaller team. Like you'd be at the local McDonald's

being like, hey man, we need you guys come out here this weekend to help us because a small team that doesn't have access to private airplanes is going to have a really difficult time getting three guys there that fast. They might not even have three guys just to begin with. That brings us to our next question from Travis Parks 24. With Chase Briscoe rallying from six laps down to finish seventh on Saturday, what other individual NASCAR races stand out as the greatest comebacks ever? T.J. Man, trying to think of a race where somebody made up nearly that many amount of laps.

I can't remember anything anybody that's made up. Kyle Bush made up a ton of laps at Watkins won one time, taking lucky dogs and wave rounds and stuff. think he made up four or five laps something like that as well so um yeah i'm not sure i don't know shot first freddie um yeah i remember bill elli and i think unlapped himself at i think it was talladega just raw speed unlapped himself this is before the days of damn lucky dogs and wave rounds but i think the greatest comeback in naskar history not so much an individual race was i don't know if you got to sure remember alan kowicki coming back i mean i feel like

He was like almost 300 points down with like 500 races left and come back to win the championship. So I think that's overall the greatest comeback in history. It's not an individual race. But, I mean, that was super impressive. Brett. I had to Google NASCAR comeback because I've drawn a blank. But I'm going to own it. At least I owned it.

First thing that comes up is Kyle Busch. He broke his legs in the Xfinity Series race at Daytona. I obviously went out for an extended amount of time. Come back. had to get a waiver in the Cup Series to be championship eligible, became championship eligible, and that year won his first Cup Series championship. So shout out to TJ's favorite, Kyle Busch,

on his inaugural comeback Cup Series Championship, and I did not pull that out of my ass. I googled it. I'll tell you what's a good comeback is Jimmy Johnson, almost every other week a handful years ago, he would spend out almost every week and still come back and win. I have one more Asked DBC question for T.J.

I'm surprised. I was listening to your scanner audio with Dale on Saturday. He didn't yell at you once. Just one time. I mean, it didn't really yell, though. Hey, so the funny thing was,

I wasn't watching the Saturday race, but I talked to TJ when I got to the roof about it. You know, like we talked about last week, manipulating restarts, Dale is trying to come out forth. And I think, who are you racing down there?

Brandon Jones down the end of the pit road or something? Yeah. I think it was so, So, you know, I didn't see it, but the sound on the radio is like, oh, they're kind of jocky in the one, they don't want to be fourth. So no matter what happened, Dale would have been screwed because Brandon Jones got a penalty. You know what I mean? So just like we talked about last week, even if you let the guy go, you're going to be third

and you would have been all high-fiving and happy and something to be like, oh, man, really? Yeah. I will say there wasn't anybody near us. And if Pitt Road would have been about five carling shorter, he wouldn't have figured out because he started driving right by us. And then it took him a while to figure it out. So he had a little bit too much time right there. And there wasn't any, I will say, the only reason I brought it up

because there wasn't anybody right on us, like we pulled to the left and just got out of the way. Yeah, I didn't see it, but I just thought it was funny. Like, just what I talked about, like, even if you tried to, even if you let the guy go, it wasn't going to work out for you. Yeah, it's, I swear it's like a 50-50 shot. Like, it's, every time you do a good job. Every restart after the second stage last night, not that, I didn't count,

but we came out, you know, I think Bubba wanted to be on the time, top for you know i think everybody did and every restart i'm like all right we're 18th up never mind 17th penalty all right we're 16th never mind 15th penalty like yeah you're so far back there like if you're that far back you're it's almost yeah i won't i'll only count the top three rows or something like that because four rows because it gets pretty sketchy after that man like there's always a penalty chances to go up all right do we have anything to rant about today i don't have a rant I'm just hoping to God that I think they're releasing the Hall of Fame

this week. They did the voting last week. And I just, I'm still on my Mike's the Fanix Soapbox, man. I'm hoping to hear his name called on whatever day it is. I think Tuesday or Wednesday they're going to release him. So just hopefully, hopefully this guy finally gets in. Yeah, super impressive resume. I'll tell you this.

There was one car that rode the fence in everybody's way again other than us at the end. Did you see what was, Brett? 15. Who was driving yesterday? Same guy. Brennan pulls in it all year. The bull.

The bull. Yeah. How about? There's like... The bull is some... Oh, double zero. I don't know what happened to you on pit road, DJ. You can talk to that.

There's double zero. Double zero, damn. Twice he drove in the corner on the bottom and Bubba was running like the middle. And I twice had to tell him. He could end up in the middle. Because he would, he started on the bottom. bottom and end up in the third lane or second lane at least and then same thing. Yeah. One of them, one of them 27, 77 cars are the same thing to us a couple times.

So the double zero panicked on pit road in front of us. We were, it's when they opened pit road for everybody. And we come out of the stall. We're rolling down pit road. We're, you know, pretty close to double zero. And I'm not like, he's got turning up here. Well, the one car who was running, you know, a little ways behind us was finishing up the left size and they dropped the jack.

And the double zero was already turning in. like it was the one car's responsibility at that point because the double zero was already getting ready to turn to a stall well he hits the brakes and just stops like right in the middle of pit road like to me that's a good spot to stop there's not much going on in the middle of pit road you can stop there to me at that point you don't stop in the middle of period because that's how you cause an accident it's the it's the one cars that's the pit stall that he has and that's what he's got to deal with until he gets lapsed down or whatever you know it gets a that's just what you got to deal with um If you stop on pit road, you're going to cause an accident.

You're going to get hit. It's the crew chief's job to communicate on the boxes back and forth with the box. Next to him, like, hey, I'm going to be coming in late. If I'm already turning in, you got to wait. You know, that's kind of the general role. If the guy's already turning in, you kind of got to wait. Otherwise, you're going to hit. Yeah.

If you see a lot of these guys, a lot of guys with experience will almost pull in the pit stall behind the guy. If you want to be courteous and you want to get these guys a break, you can still pull right behind them and just sit there. You know, you don't stop in the middle of pit road. You can't be in the inside lane. You can't be in the preferred lane. Move over three quarters of a lane and then stop. Yeah.

How about that Chevrolet nose, man? Did you see the speed? If Austin Dillon doesn't get a penalty, I'm telling you, the three car was one of the best cars in the field. And obviously, Reddick was up front all day. Man, kid, can you believe, like, the switch that RCR flipped? I know it's helping, obviously, Freddie and Bubba. You know, they're running and more relevant than they've been in Bubba's Cup career.

Like, the three came by me yesterday, about 20 laps into a run. And I was like, dang, this guy started in the back and he's already passed me and I'm running 11th. Like flying. His car turned so much better than my car. Like, you can visually see us, you know, going into the corner. Our car fades up. You can tell I won't turn. The three cars just hook in the bottom.

Go on. Hooking the bottom, the top, everything. No matter where they go. There was somebody between us. I can't remember who it was. and I said, you know, right with you, and then five back to the three, and going out, was going on a backstretch, and then the three was in front of us off of four. Just hooked the bottom, drove by two cars.

I was like, huh, that's pretty impressive. Yeah. And I think, honestly, I think that was helping. I don't think the only car that I could actually see run the fence, like, I mean, the entire way in turn. Like, most guys have to chop the 25% mark a little bit, just because you don't want to hit the fence out early. even the 12, when he'd run up top, hit out the chop a little bit. The 11 couldn't run right against the fans. He could get up there a little bit, but not.

He always left a gap, it seemed like. Man, I'm telling you that they've got the downforce right now to make them decisions and stuff. I mean, it's just, you know, part of it. I mean, it's a big race. It's a big circle. It'll come back around, but that's where we're at right now. Yeah, it was, obviously, man, RCR really picked it up yesterday. I don't.

Speaking of RCR, did you see what Reddick did on the last lap? No. He stopped. He stopped. No, he stopped. Oh. He took, luckily he had like a 10-second gap, but he, uh, he and Derek Neeland did that before in a race. He was right at, uh, he was like right there.

You know what I mean? It was Danny, maybe five car links ahead of Chase and Ryan were racing hard. And then Tyler was like right there, five back of them guys. And he ended up like three or took the white. And you see him just crawling. and Derek's freaking out down there. Of course, he thinks he takes a checker. So now he keys up.

Hey, great job, guys. He's talking. Derek can't tell him to get going. I mean, they were probably panicked sitting in there for a little while, but he got going. Luckily, he had a pretty good gap that he didn't lose any spots. He ran the bottom to the three and four coming to the white flag. And when I saw him down there, looked back away.

And then I looked back and there's about half a laugh later. I'm like, oh, my gosh, I know the bottom wasn't that bad. And he was way back. Yeah, he stopped. I mean, he just basically thought the checker. He thought the white was a checker. Now, he had a race one last year in the Exfinity Series or two years ago, right? Did the same thing?

Lifted at the white flag? Oh, it was a stage, not the end of the race. End of a stage, which can cost you the race. Michigan, right? Michigan, maybe, right? I don't remember where it was. Wow. It was.

He needs to learn what a black and white flag looks like with checkers across. Especially, and the thing, funny thing, is you come from Dirt World, where you watch these dirt races, they have no radios. These guys always run another, like they run an extra lap all the time. Because, you know, you see the, the checker you just keep digging until everybody else starts slowing down. He's modern-day Mark Warren, man. Almost.

Wow. That's crazy, man. DBC picks. We have some big news. Freddie picked Bubba Wallace and won on Wednesday night at Barnesville. Chris Lipsch is still chapped. I'm curious to know what you knew that nobody else knew because there's no way Bobba Wallace is going to go down there to Marksville, Virginia, and beat the guys that he beat.

Like, were you privy to a special email or text thread or what? what went on here? What went on was I knew we ran top 10 there the whole time last year at the second race. So all I needed was a little bit of trouble out of you guys. And I would take a tie. If I could pick Bubba anywhere to finish in the top 10 and make a DBC pick, I'd risk that one.

And hope to God you guys had a little trouble. And both of you did. Denny, I don't know, he forgot. Dude, I had that one in the bag again. Brinny's running second. In Martin'sville, running right, I mean, I'm like, sweet, I'm good here. and then he throws out the anchor.

I mean, whoever I pick, it's going to have a problem. It's known. Who did you have last night? Oh, Jimmy, yeah, he was terrible. We say on the show all the time, don't suck. Let me tell you the definition of suck. Finish second and stage one.

And at the end of stage two, you're a lap down. That is the definition of sucking. I knew, I just, I knew Bubba always tends to rise to the occasion, and I knew that was going to be a big race for him. and, you know, it's probably his best track, too. It is his best track, by far. And, you know, I just knew, and, I mean,

our car was super fast. You know, I figured we've had speed this year. I didn't know how well it would translate to a short track, but it just seemed like an obvious place to pick us. And it worked out. Brett was kissing asses all night, and Martin's Beach had seen it. I was.

I was puckering up. I was watching Clint drive real hard and try to catch us a few times. Then after about 10 laughs, it's our fading. Yeah, yeah. Tyler the Ram Reddick brought. me the win at Charlotte. Super happy about that. That was not Charlotte.

I'm at, that was, uh, hey, I don't know if you guys are, but I'm sleep deprived today. I slept the total of about three and a half hours. Same. That was not Charlotte. That was Homestead. Dude, I would just soon not go back to that Charlotte Oval based on the, see, I'm still delirious over that Charlotte Oval there we ran, but my guy, the Ram Redick, he kicked their ass yesterday.

That was, so that was, I liked that pick. Only, I was, when I gave up my four drivers there at the beginning of the year, I gave up Reddick was one of them, and I was regretting it. Instantly, I was like, man, that would be a good guy to pick at Homestead. And it wouldn't matter because Brett picked them before me anyway, so luckily. But, yeah, that was a good pick. Bowman was hanging in there for a little while, but he faded. I got to go last this week.

So who gets to go first? Who finished last? Who cares about this place? Yeah, T.J. I'll go first. The current score is 7-4-1. When are you going to start, T. Are you starting to start? Do I want to have problems this week?

This is the question. I'll take Talladega. I'll take John Hunter Nemechek. I'll take Ricky Stenhouse. The lane changing machine, Ricky Stenhouse. He don't mind changing lanes. I'm picking Brian Patty. That's what I'm picking.

That thing's going to be a rocket. Yeah, I tell you, man, like you look at Stenhouse, he's either been hot or not. Like, I've seen him up there running in the top ten, or you don't see him at all the whole race. And then you look at his teammate Ryan Priest, who was rumored a year and a half ago to be the heir to the throne

to Kevin Harvick's ride. I mean, he signed with Kevin Harvick's management company. There was a lot of rumors that Kevin Harvick at the end of this season that we're in right now that he may potentially be going

into television full time and he has since signed a three-year contract which Freddie and I are around Ryan Priest a lot, friends with him. Like, I've got to say of all these drivers in the field right now, Ryan Priest probably had better

get it going. You know, teammates to Ricky Stenhouse. Ricky's been out running them a lot. But they're both Kevin Harvick guys. So, I mean, Freddie, what you say, right, all the guys out there, the young guys that hadn't been here long, wouldn't you say there's probably a lot of pressure building around Ryan Priest? Yeah, there's two guys I've got circled that really need to step it up, I think.

One is Ryan Priest. And I feel bad for him because he's had some good runs this year that, you know, he was running top 10 at Tarlington. The motor blew up. He's had some awful luck, caught a caution right when he needed it. it was going to be a really good shape at Vegas. Motor blows up. I mean, so he's had some great runs where some bad luck has bit him.

He's also had some runs where the 47 ran pretty good, and he was kind of that same normal, you know, 20th-ish place. So I think he's got to step it up. And the other guy I'm looking at is Cole Custer. I mean, I know he's a rookie, but, I mean, he's not performed well in that 41 car, not to where I thought he'd be anyway, at least. So he's another one I look at that I feel has got to step it up. All right, so I got to make a pick.

I actually was really considering Cole Custer, but man, I just feel like we got a feel-good story coming this week. I mean, I look at Ryan Newman, who had a great opportunity to win a Daytona 500. He does everything right. He makes the right block at the right time. Unfortunately, got turned. Survived one of the scariest crashes in NASCAR history. We're backplate racing.

He's a guy that's always around at the end. I got to go with Ryan Newman. I'm the only guy going big right here. that's not big that's big i could save newman for somewhere where for where are you going to pick him i won i won the daytona 500 pick with cori lojoy he's a guy that you know as a sleeper he finished eight all we're looking for right here is the guy that we think's going to survive and i think i'm i'm i'm on the limb here because my good chance my guy don't survive but i feel like if he does survive he's going to be fast and up front so i'm just hoping he gets through there

I'm trying to use names that might be an outside shot right now that I won't pick later. TJ, you have to score. Your total is one. TJ's just going to pick people that he likes because he doesn't want to ruin anybody else's day. I'm going to start picking people that I don't want to win. I'm going to pick the nine every week. Is that all right, guys? If that turns into a thing, if that turns into a thing, I've got him every week.

Yeah. Cool, man. We're off to Talladega. No practice, thank goodness. I know we cover that in the show. This is the kind of place that, man, patience can run out, tippers can flare. I think it's going to be interesting to see what everybody's mindset is going into this race. Because when we get there, we all always go practice in our groups and practice with our manufacturers.

And we have all these meetings. I don't know that there's time for all that. I don't know if we have Zoom calls this week to tell us what the plan is. but typically going down there, there's all this noise around these teams and OEMs. And I haven't heard a word. Have you guys? Give it time. Yeah, I'm sure I'll get something.

I mean, Chevrolet dominated the whole spotter stand last year. We basically, none of the rest of us had anywhere to stand because Chevrolet just took the whole spotter stand over. I pray that we're over at the old spotter stand and we're able to spread out on that big roof that's there by the concession stand for this race. If they don't put us there, the vantage points, if they bring us lower, we're going to have big problems. Yeah. Thanks, everybody for listening. Help us out by sharing the show on social media,

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