Door Bumper Clear - 187 - Hand In the Man Cards

Episode Date: August 17, 2020

Following the first-ever NASCAR race weekend on the Daytona International Speedway road course, T.J. Majors and Freddie Kraft are heated and ready to discuss the weekend’s action. Joey Logano and Bubba Wallace were involved in a last lap incident. Now their spotters debate exactly what happened. Four of the top Cup Series drivers agreed to take it easy into Turn 1 on Lap 1 and that didn’t sit well with our crew. Fans voiced their frustration with the weekend’s broadcasts and the guys react to the show ending early on Sunday. After Saturday’s Xfinity Series race, Justin Allgaier confronted A.J. Allmendinger. Find out who was in the right and who was in the wrong. Did NASCAR not approve sports car racing ace Jordan Taylor to compete in a stock car this weekend? Hear the rumor and the reaction. Chase Elliott is becoming a road racing ace. Does Hendrick Motorsports have a trick up their sleeve? Learn about the Hendrick Motorsprots Track Attack. Find out who did their homework over the weekend and takes the crown in Xfinity Fast Lane led by co-host Casey Boat. Lastly, hear what Freddie remembers from his birthday celebration last week and how someone ended up through a table. Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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app or go to anchor.fm. To get started. That's an C-H-O-R.fm. to get started. Welcome the door bumper clear, presented by OfferPad. I'm T.J. Majors, and today, Freddie Craft and I will break down everything from the inaugural Daytona Road Course weekend. We'll talk Joey Legano, sending it into turn one on the final lap, no caution for Kevin Harvick sitting backwards on the track, and Justin Algae, are confronting AJ Almanninger. Play the intro.

I'm T.J. Majors. This is Brent Griffin. Hey, me too now. This is Freddie Cratt. Get ready. Be ready. Be ready. Be ready. Be ready. Can be what you got here. New leader. Out for this guy.

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Clear. Woo! Hey, everybody. I'm T.J. Majors. I had the 22 cup car this weekend, the 99 truck. And, you know, you notice a pretty big piece of the puzzles missing today. Brett overheated yesterday. And he was pushing water.

So couldn't make it. We had to send him to the garage early today. Mechanical. He could. fix and come back next week. He wants. Yeah, what's up? Freddie Crafts, spotter for Bubble Wallace,

a 43 car. I had Derek Kraus in the truck race. I had A.J. Almondinger in the Xfinity race. And it was miserable all races. I mean, we finished fourth of AJ, but that was still felt like a miserable run for us. And our basketball star.

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I know. This table's only so big, guys. The donor tries to get on. We're done. But exciting race. Race is exciting races this weekend. Freddie, your races were you had fun in every single race. I did not have a good weekend. It starts with the Xfinity race and I don't know what. We just make perfect pit call and get on pit road right before pit road closes,

We're the only one that's able to pit with AJ. And we're going to come out with the lead. We can take as much time as we want. Everybody else is going to pit. We're going to come out with the lead. Being in great shape for the rest of the race. And we have some kind of miscommunication down there. And we end up a lap down for a penalty.

So now we've got to spend the rest of the race trying to get the lap back. Finally get the lap back. Get up in there. Get up front. Now we're third. We're probably, we weren't going to win the race, obviously. We're probably going to run third. and less than two guys out front got together.

Briscoe and Austin were really good. And we took one restart for whatever reason that idiot stayed out. I have no idea to this day. Nobody's going to ever explain to me what a good idea was for the Mike Harmon cars to stay out with seven laps to go. Go for the win, man. Yeah, that's fine. At a three-mile racetrack, they had negative 100% chance of winning that race.

I'm just saying it's you have a better shot there than you do at Homestead, though. Maybe. You go into one, a bunch of them pile in, not the radiator's out, or something, then you're down to three laps to go in the race. Yeah, but then they do it again. Then it's a one-lap shootout. Seven laps at Daytona is like 15 laps at Homestead. I'm not saying it's going to work, but their odds, the odds are probably higher for them to finish better and having wrecks.

If they don't wreck, they're in trouble. But what's the chances? When you line them two cars up, and you're Mike Harmon, and I'm sure they're racing on a budget, like this is something that, like you talk about knowing your place in the sport. This is something that Johnny Davis Motorsports would never do because Johnny Davis doesn't want his cars to get wrecked. And I'm sure if you look back, I bet that Johnny Davis cars, or at least some of them, finished better than wherever the hell the Harmon cars ended up,

because they got run over on the first corner by all the guys that have been fast for all day. I would not, as a driver, even if I was in that car, and I knew I would not want to restart there, knowing these guys are going to be beating my bumper off. In the turn one, out of turn one, everything. But, you know, I mean, so we get caught up in that one. Then we come back and had to pit, had it come from the back again, then we get down there. We're going to run probably second or three.

third again and we get in the corner too hot and dump Justin Allgaier. So now we go back a couple more spots, come back and I think finished fourth. So that was that race. Then the truck race is a whole other disaster. I can tell you the entertainment. When I saw those two cars in their front row, I was just grabbing popcorn, man, because it was entertaining. I think

everybody was. I think everybody, the same what you guys are doing at home watching that race going, wow, this is going to be great. All of us on the roof were just staring at their two spotters like are you doing? I will say, though, that I was kind of glad it happened because I saw a possibility for that happened at a road course at the possibility of a front row with cars that look at road

america same thing a possible the possibility of a front row of cars that probably aren't up there all day it's pretty hot as much higher to road course like that i think than an oval but i wanted to see what happened and i was uh yeah it was great yeah it was not great so we were i mean we were literally i think literally seven wide so the you know the restart happens and i told a j i'm like the last restart, somebody else stayed out that wasn't quite as bad as the 74, but it was guys on older tires. And Briscoe shot to the right and went around them and won and won and got the lead and got out front. And AJ and Cindrick had to kind of make their way back to the traffic. So I told AJ that was coming.

And we kind of tried to shoot the middle and I don't know, maybe push the 74 into the 98 or something. I don't know. But we were okay. And then I feel like the bottom five cars all missed the corner and just shot to the right and kind of pushed everybody that was in that second lane. AJ definitely made contact in the front of the car with whoever it was in front of him. But I mean, dude, he's... I mean, you're drunk. Like, AJ's there to win the race.

You had tires, right? Yeah, everybody had tires. You were trying to get through, and the person that gets through all that first is going to probably win the race. Yeah, whoever gets through that mess first, we've seen it, you know, everywhere, somewhere else, too. But, you know. But you don't know what's going to happen, right? If you say you get by five or six of them, caution comes out, stacks right back up, then you're right there again.

You're up a couple rows. Was that just, I mean, it just plays and, you know, it's just, you got to get what you can get. I have to give you guys credit because I honestly don't know how you can spot that first turn or that area. It's just talent. It's just really just pure talent. There were like five wide, pure talent. Clearly worked out for you. I don't, I give you props.

That was, I couldn't even watch it, let alone have to spot it. We weren't watching either, be honest with you. We just hoping they come out the other side. Just guessing. Yeah, it was, uh, are the regular ones were exciting. You know, the Archer race wasn't nearly as messy as I thought it was going to be. Yeah. I thought the Archer race was pretty entertaining.

Honestly, the races were pretty clean most of the weekend, honestly. I think most of the guys knew, you know, you don't want to, you got to be smart about. Obviously, we'll talk about the guys making the decision in the cup race later. But, you know, you got to be smart. You can't, you know, the Xfinity race was probably the messiest one, and it was just at the end when guys were, like, deal with the 74, or guys trying to get around, you know, seeing some guys make mistakes. But, you know, it is what it is. You're expected, but we talked about last week how it's not a super technical road course.

That first turn was probably the trickiest thing on a restart, getting to the first and third turns. And then you kind of got strung out, and it was not, I want to say easy, but it was, you know, it was not as difficult maybe as some of the other road courses we go to. Why don't we just move the cones for the last chicane? Because they all know where it's at. man why don't we just run the big track coming to the green so people aren't hustling through the chicane because the back half of the field is still going through the chicane i thought we do that at charlotte don't we don't we don't that's what we do with charlotte that's what i thought we were going to do here yeah i don't know why we did so i was curious about that

i mean i think if you want to help the racing there like i i mean obviously you're got to take it out take that chicanne out i mean i think that first turn would have been a hell of a lot more exciting if you don't have that chicane there but obviously you're running i saw zero break it i mean you're running as fast there as you would be, I mean, for the back chican. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it's just a corner. I mean, you just turn left instead of left, right, left, or whatever. I think it would have helped the racing.

I don't know how about, you know. Yeah, I don't. And there's surely, I mean, we don't want to slow them down too much, but if you, I don't, we don't know how fast they would have been going, obviously. You know, you're talking about Sims and not exactly sure. But I think it would have helped the racing if, you know, you don't have that. I think there would have been more passing. Yeah, I think so.

That's what I'm saying. That would have been a way bigger passing. They would have going to way bigger passing zone because you got more of a draft off a three and four into the front stretch. I will tell you this. They were, they had their hands full out of four a little bit whenever they were getting, you know what I mean? Like they didn't have the control. Like you could tell in the banking, like when they got side by side and stuff and they weren't comfortable, 100% comfortable. From what I could tell.

Yeah, it looked like it. But they're digging hard there, you know. So I don't know. I would like to see it without the chican. I think it would be great. Should they run the clash there still in February? I don't mind running the class. I don't know why you would run the clash there.

I think you want to, I would leave Speedweeks all on the Oval. I don't know why you would want to split it up. I know we were doing it for the car's purposes, but I don't even know why you would, I mean, what are you going to do for your clash next year? Like, I'm sure they're going to have one because it's a sponsor race and they've got TV times and stuff. But like, what are you going to do?

I mean, is it going to be playoff guys? That's what I asked last week. You know, what's the plan there? I just don't think you're going to have an exciting of a race. You're going to have a guy that gets out front. When you run the big track, you got the draft. Nobody runs away with it. Everyone, you got a shot and you got to play defense, man.

I'm still a proponent of make the clash what it used to be, a damn 20, 25 lap race where you're not riding around all day. It'll be over an hour. It needs to be when you drop the green, it's go time right now. Yeah, there's not single file to the top. I want to see, I want to see Bradson. Blaney. I want to see the good plate racers. I want to see

guys like Joey try to come from the back to the front and try to see what they can do. A short amount time. And you got guys, like I remember a couple years ago, Bubba's first Daytona 500, we went up there and watched it together. We watched the class just so we could try to learn stuff. And you didn't learn nothing because all they did literally was run

that. That was the year they ran the top the whole time and then like you guys all wrecked into one on the last lap. Was that 18? It was 18. 17. So, 18. I think we won the clash there. I think you want it. I want to say like Joey I mean, Danny was leading and

Brad got a run on him and Danny just like chopped the shit out of them and you guys got around them. They all, they wrecked and you guys got, but it was like the only move that was made the whole race. The 60 laps is just riding around single file. But yeah, I don't know. So I'm not against going to the road course.

I think we, I wouldn't mind having a road course race there again, but I don't think we need to, I don't think we need to lose an oval race to do that. I think it should be a regular race. Yeah. I mean, if that's fine, I just don't want to, I would rather have two Daytona Oval races and then add a road course race versus making one of the oval races of roadcourses. I'm not even against making it a multi-class race. Run the cuff race and truck race at the same time. I text my buddy Scott Tapley that. I said they should run them all just like the 24 hours.

Run all three races at the same time. I don't know if we should put. As long as they'll let us spot all for three cars. I don't want to, those are two paychecks. I don't really want to give up. I don't know. I mean, I'd be afraid. I don't know what the Xfinity of lap times were. I don't remember what they were compared to Cup. but I'd be afraid about the Exvenity car out running the cup car or something. Yeah, that'd be funny.

But, I mean, you could do, like, you could do trucks. Well, the truck had the big motor there, so that should have been. You could do trucks in cup or whatever. I don't know. I mean, they were actually really, they were within a second. Yeah. Could you imagine? All you do is just start them like they do with the, you know, start them spread out.

Class-wise, yeah. Start them by class and split the track in half or three-thirds, whatever it is. Holy cow, dude. There'd be so much action going on. Yeah. Run to 20. I don't know how the broadcast would be able to keep up. You know, the issue would be pit road.

Yeah. I mean, you'd have to share stalls with somebody. Are you pitting away? Are you pitting? Are you pitting? Are you pitting? I mean, you'd have to do like, okay. What do they do for the Rolex? I guess the teams. No, they do the member that opens first time pit road opens for the D.P cars.

First time be, you know, cup car. Second time would be trucks. And after that, it'd be chaos. So, but I like the road course. And I'm 100% fine if it stays on the schedule. I Man it's just Would you give up an oval race at Daytona

To air a road course? Yeah You would? Yeah probably I don't know if fans would I feel like if I don't know if I give a plate track I wouldn't give up I'm saying would you give up one of the Daytona races

To make it a road course race I wouldn't give up one of the plate races No but I would give up I would give up a mile and a half Yeah no I was saying if they wanted to do what Charlotte did And take away an oval race No because we need the Daytona 500 And we need to clash

but we also the two weeks is going to be nail biting for people on that bubble spot and the plate race gives man you want to talk about

an even playing field that evens it out and it's going to give guys there's no talent bubble Wallace could go into that into that race and win the race and lock himself in that race

now the chances are much higher that running at Daytona you know a big track rather than then the road course, but that just opens up the door, man, for what if Bubba goes out there and just super aggressive gets up front, they start racing behind him, he wins the race. You know, that's what could happen.

That's what, that's what, I mean, this, there's going to be. There's going to be. There's going to be. There's going to be. You want to see racing. You watch the end of them stages. Wait until the end of the race, man. I mean, end of the race, obviously, is going to be crazy.

It always is. All those guys on the cut line are going to be like, hey, if the guy in the bubble is going to be asking, hey, who's leading this race? like, you know, that we've had to happen before. Hey, if this guy's going to win, you got to get up there. You know, they have a Larson and Newman, right? Yeah, we did. Yeah, they rooted each other out of the way there.

No, that happened at, well, that happened at Richmond when Newman got out front. Yeah, yeah, they were panicking. Yeah. We did the same, similar thing. Was it last year? Yeah, last year we were running third at Indy, and they were freaking out around us, you know, like they're like one good restart and they flipped his pit. What if? What if first and second get into each other?

and you go up there and win the race. And you're knocking a big name out too. Yeah. So I'm excited about it. When you watch that race in a couple, obviously we were talking about then, but you watch these guys, Clint, Jimmy, Eric, William Byron, at the end of these stages, they're going to be having a race super aggressive because they can't afford to get any stage points, man, yeah.

Yeah, for sure. Well, I know one, I guess, hot topic that came out on this. You can't say hot. Don't say hot today, please. My God. It was 4,000. Cold topic. agrees yesterday.

That came out prior to the race was Austin Dillon testing positive for COVID. What do you guys think about, you know, how it was handled? I mean, obviously, Kaz did pretty well yesterday, but wanted to get your thoughts on overall news. I mean, it's going to happen here and there. I think NASCAR has all the right protocols in place. And obviously the teams are, I'm guessing, you know, RCR handled it swiftly and quickly and, you know, isolated him.

and, you know, anybody that might have had, you got to go back and trace it a little bit to make sure anybody that had contact with them just to be sure. I think we all have good policies in place to handle things like that. So, you know, it's big news, but, you know, I'm sure Austin can go and, you know, stay isolated, then go run two, you know, negative tests, and we'll move on. So I think everything's in place to handle things like this Because it's not When you hear it now, you're like, oh, okay, oh wow, kind of But then you're like, okay, well, move on.

Yeah, I mean, it's not. I think when the news came out about Jimmy, It kind of shocked the system and everybody's like, oh, my God. And now it's like, okay, we handle that, however we handle it. You know, he's gotten over it, he's passed his test, He can come back racing. We've seen other guys, Spencer Davis, another one. Speaking of Spencer Davis, you have it, you seen him lately?

I have not seen Spencer Davis, but I've seen someone who knows him. Up close and personal? Up close and personal. Contact. Contact. I don't want to talk about it. I don't want to talk about it. No.

I did get run over, though. He did get run over yesterday. Then he ran me over. I did not run you over. I think one of the interesting thing, though, is with this deal is this Jordan Taylor rumor that came out, courtesy of Jenna. Did you see this? Jenna Fryer? Yeah, he wasn't allowed.

So, I mean, I don't understand if it's true that NASCAR would not approve this guy to run a track that he's won the Rolex at. I don't, this is, we go back to this approval process being broken. Like, I understand that you don't want to just stick a guy right in a cup car. I mean, obviously you would like to have him see some,

you know, see some kind of resume. But when you have a guy like Jordan Taylor that has won the Rolex 24, probably multiple times, I don't have his stats in front of me. Yeah. But he is way more qualified to be on that racetrack than probably 75 to 80% of the guys out

there. You know what I mean? And if, you know, I don't understand if, I mean, I don't know for sure if this is what car he was getting in. I kind of, you know, you kind of assume that, I don't know what else he would have gotten in. Nothing else. It would have been competitive. But if this is a chance of, you know, this is a route they wanted to take. I mean, what, I mean, obviously, Cass turned into a great story finishing seventh. But, you know, what a great story this would have been. And, and you got a guy with a huge personality, huge around our sport. He's hilarious. Yeah. And, I mean, they should have just raised under a different name. they probably would have approved them. Rodney could have got to

a race. But, you know, it's just weird. You know, you got EMSA, this is one of the stars of the EMSA series, and EMSA is closely affiliated with NASCAR, and we will not approve this guy to come run our NASCAR race? I just don't get it. To me, he qualifies. I would feel better. I wouldn't even have been worried about him lining up, because he knows how to, obviously, running in a 24 race. You know how to pace yourself. You know how to take care of your equipment. I think he would have had a lot of respect from a lot of the top names right from the beginning.

Obviously, Kaz came in, and I kind of, I actually spotted for Kaz in a 24-hour race there. He drove the Lamborghini that I was spotting for. He did really well, and I was texting with Kaz before. I'm like, hey, man, congrats on the opportunity. If you just go and stay on the track, you play, you know, don't make any mistakes. You're probably going to come out of there with a top 10. He's like, he's like, no way. You know, you're not, no way that's ever going to happen.

And I'm, here he goes. What do you finish? Seventh, yeah. I mean, he had fresher rubber than a lot of guys, but he still had to take advantage of it. Before that, he was running, like, he was running just outside the top ten. Yeah, he ran, I mean, he was, he wasn't that good in the beginning because he was kind of running around me. No, I mean, but the second half of the race, he was working his way up there. He was around us in, which we were pretty decent. We were 15th, 18th, maybe. And he was, I mean, he was still, I mean, I said, he was doing a great job for a guy. I had him as an 11th to 13th place car there at the end, roughly. Oh, at the end, yeah. At the very end, he was, you know, he had great.

track position and he had a little bit fresher ties on everybody in front of him. But I mean, before that, he was still doing a great job and he took advantage at the end and capitalized, but it's still, you know, I don't know. I mean, to get into a cup car though and run and even just finish the race like that, that's a solid. I thought he did a great job. I just, you know, I just don't understand the, I mean, you got to, I mean, that's a pretty big name in our, in our, just the the racing world of Jordan Taylor. Spotting for him, though, I knew putting him in that car was not going to be a bad decision because I know he would take care of it. But as far as not putting Jordan Taylor in there, like not, obviously there's something that can be looked at with the approval

process. I know it's a road course, and he's got thousands of laps around that race track. I mean, thousands. I don't know how you don't approve a guy, you know, a guy like that. He's not trying to run the Daytona 500. He's not trying to run the big track in two weeks. You know what I mean? He's not drafting. I can understand, hey, we want you to have an arc of race or a, you know, exfini race under your belt before you run the cup cars there. Who would you rather had going and turn one behind you tomorrow yesterday? Jordan Taylor or Stanton Barrett? Oh, Jordan Taylor all day. I would take Jordan Taylor over a handful of guys already.

I'd probably want Jordan Taylor behind me. Yeah, I would definitely want Jordan Taylor behind me versus Joey Lagano. Plus the storyline with it, man. I mean, think about the storyline. Say he gets in there and stays around the top, you know, top 8 to 12, the first half of the race. Then he gets tires at the end. He stays out like Kaz didn't. Dude's got a legit shot.

So the storyline would have been great as well. I don't know. I personally would have approved Jordan and Rodney Sandstorm. Yeah, I would just, next time he just needs to sign up as Rodney because he's probably got a better shot of getting approved. Oh, all right. Well, before we get started, let's hear more about our presenting sponsor, OfferPad. Hi, we're OfferPad.

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Spot on, spot off. He said Spot off on the foot. You spot off. Spot on you like it. Spot off, you don't like it, and you say why either way. Spot on, spot off. First topic. Demi Hamlin said he, Harvick, and Kyle Busch agreed on a breaking point for turn 1 so they wouldn't look like dummies.

Spot on, spot off, Freddie. Spot off. I mean, geez, I thought we were racing. Like, this is, they look, maybe if you don't put this out there, you won't look like a dummy. But now I think you look like a dummy by telling everybody, hey, we all agreed to drive into turn 1. Nice and easy, so we don't race and we don't wreck each other. they're like, okay, what was the plan here? Like, okay, so they said it was the top, I'm assuming it was the top four.

Is that what it was? It was Harvick. It was the top. I've seen Truex's name was thrown in there also somewhere. So that's the top four. So who told the guy in fifth what was going on? That was fifth. We had no idea.

Yeah. So like, I mean, what if, you know, okay, we're going to back our entry up and you've got, Joey's got a good marker ready. Now he runs over the guy in third and launches him into the front row. Like this, it's a race. Go in there and race. Can you imagine, like, Richard Petty and David Pearson or Dale and who, Ricky Rudd or somebody at a road course like, hey, you know what?

We're going to drive in there nice and easy so we don't look stupid. You imagine how that conversation would have started if one of them went up to each other's like, hey, man, let's lift back here to make sure we make the corner. They'd look at each other like. You know what I would have done? If I was on the front row and whoever, you know, say Harvick went to Denny and he's like, hey, you know what we're going to do? We're going to lift right here.

I'd be like, yes, we are. We're absolutely going to lift right there. And I would drive that thing three cars further than him. Make it clear and be gone. If you didn't go back and look, if you noticed what happened, the guy in the poll, they had a point and then they started breaking and the guy in the outside just let off a little bit and kept on rolling and ended up getting a lead.

Really? I didn't even go back and look at it. I haven't watched the race yet. I was like, just when I saw this last night, I was like a joke. Almost at the same time, the 11 breaks a little bit later and then he starts breaking and the 4 kind of comes back a little bit, and then the 11 just lets off the break pedal and just rolls and beats them through the corners and gets the lead. Yeah, good for him. That's what I would have done. I mean,

what are we doing? I would have hit the old fingers across behind my back, you know. Yeah, I'll do whatever you want. if we're on the front row, this is where you do your homework, man. You watch the race is up to it. You go back and look. I was watching SMT data from the Xfinity race, so I was looking at points on the track.

Joey calls me, hey, what do you think we need, what's some good markers for turn one? We're talking about on the phone, what I saw. Like, do your homework, man. Like, this is a race. I want a competitive advantage over you. I don't want to, hey, man,

unless you lift here, I'll lift here, we'll race through there. Let's race, man. If you go off, I mean, I mean, at what point were they allowed to race, you think? Like, what was the rule then? Well, apparently they were racing once they made the corner because Danny took the lead. And as the pole sitter, I don't want to follow somebody out.

I'm the pole sitter, man. I'm on the front row. I earned that spot I want to lead. And then to get past, I'd like to know, really I'd like to know whose idea it was. I have an idea. But if you took a guess out of those four, you know it comes from somebody on the front row. I would have said it was Harvick 100%. I think it's the other.

I think it's... You think it's... I just saw Harvix quote last week where he said, I don't know what I'm doing. I feel bad for anybody following me in a turn one. Yeah, but I don't...

I feel like Harvick's pretty good and quiet about figuring stuff out. But, um... I don't know, man. I bet he won't do it again. Yeah. Just race. Spot off, man.

This is a race. I mean, do your homework. 100% spot off. Do your homework. Denny said Kevin came up to him on the grid before the anthem, and I think Kyle and Martin were talking at Martin's car and they saw me in Harvick's talking,

so they walked over and said, how are we going to do this? Well, yeah, go ahead and hand in the man cards as well. I mean, I wish you would, I don't, obviously, you don't want to see anybody get wrecked, but I wish, like, I wish they would have backed it up so much that you would have turned one of them because you were driving at a normal pace, you know?

But, I mean, you waited for the last lap to do that. You drive in off the guy, you lift up the guy in front of you, and everyone's going to be so timid on the starts there. The cup guys are good. Man, these guys are good. And it's no, yesterday showed a lot of them guys all, there weren't many wrecks yesterday, not that many guys sliding off,

just names that aren't there every week, recking. And even like the double zero didn't have many, you know what I mean? No. These cup guys are good. Even at road courses, they're really good. There's no, there's no, these guys are, 70% of these guys are now road course ringers, you know. Yeah.

Look at Chase Elliott. Comes in virtually no road course experience, one three in a row. You know, these guys are, are good, man, at road courses. There's something interesting about that Chase Elliott deal, and I really didn't know a whole lot about this until last night. Did you know that they basically have

their own, like, road course test team? Have you seen any of this? No, I didn't know that. So if you look up something... Chose. If you look up something called Hendrick Motorsports Track Attack, it is... And it's Ron, Malick, who, you know, used to be the... Well, he races road course stuff. Yeah, so he drives

this car. And, I mean... He's got an old muscle car that he races. No, he races a cup car. Oh. I mean, so these Hendrick Motorsports track, they'll, is they're selling what appears to me to be old cup cars. You know, older model cup cars,

and they're selling them to people with different engine options. One of them just happens to be the $750 engine package. Ron bought one. And, well, no, they're building them and selling them, and Ron's going and running these SECA races with them. Kind of like that guy got in a lot of trouble

for it last week. Yeah. Or he got, well, that guy taking a way back too but you know i mean this is great on them if they can get away with this and and have a basic test team you're going you know i think lance mcgrews involved he's you know former crew chief over there obviously rons he's a hell of a driver and he's pretty deep he's good a road and and was a car chief on the 48 for a thousand years yeah so i mean i mean you who knows what these guys are actually doing if they're just using this as a huge test session for these for

these cup cars or not but you know it's interesting to to see that car on the racetrack because, obviously, I'm no mechanic, but if that car looks a hell of a lot, just like what we're racing right now that they're out there testing and tuning with. I know that was probably one of Hendricks' strongest races as a company whole because you had the 48 was up there, the 9 was up there, 24. They were all inside the top 10 near the end there. You know, the 8-8 was right around 10th or whatever. Oh, yeah, he was actually 9th.

I know exactly where he was. But, I mean, he was running probably just outside the top 10 before that. of the day. He had to go to the back a bunch of times. He had a bunch of way around. But he was,

like he said, they were all pretty good. But I mean, as a whole, yeah, I mean, Jimmy was good. Jimmy was really good. I know William had to damage.

He was sixth or fifth or six or something. Yeah. So, I mean, for him to come back. Yeah, he was, because we ran in the back of him in the turn three and cost us a spot on two to go.

Yeah. So, I mean, it shows, hey. Yeah. Yeah. That's a good looking. That looks,

that looks similar. That's a cup car. That looks similar to your cup car that you ran yesterday. Go to your text. I saw it last night. I want to drive it. I mean, make it afford. Obviously, I mean, it's, you know, it's a, hey, if you can get away with it, it's smart.

You know what I mean? They limit testing as much as possible now. Obviously, really now, they have already limited it. Now they're even more limited with the corona. There's no testing. So, I mean, if you, if this is notes, you know, I mean, you're going out there and it's obviously not Chase or one of the other guys driving it, but Ron's an accomplished road racer.

He's going to give you just as good as feedback as anybody driving these things. What tracks do they go to? I mean, I don't know. I haven't seen where they've particularly, I think he just won a race at like Road Atlanta. They were retweeting about it, something like that. But I mean, just, you know, stuff that you can try. I don't know if they ran that Daytona or not with this stuff yet. I mean, they were there.

That SCCA had a test there not long ago. I don't know if they were there or not. So if Ron's winning and Chase's winning, it's obviously. It's not hurting. We're going to need to see that car. We're going to need to see it. Put that thing in the, in the barn there and tear it, but look at it, get all the measurements on it and stuff.

Yeah. Freddie trying to share all these secrets. Well, I'm not, you know, it's not, it's out there. Public information. I mean, you can go buy one right now if you want. Ron and his wife there. It's funny because she goes and does, like, works on the car with him and tuning the car and stuff. And Ashley.

Ashley, right? Yeah. So, I mean, he does have a muscle car that he used to race. And it's actually pretty cool. And he actually, he did run fairly well with it, too. and it was cool to see. No caution for Harbicks spinning and sitting backwards in front of the oncoming field. Spot on, spot off, TJ.

I'm spot on for it right there. Even if you throw the caution, we're still going to do the same exact thing. I think no matter what, you still got to go through there with a car sitting there. And it's such a slow corner. You don't like, you're already going slow, so everyone's still checking up for that corner. They're not going to slow down anymore for a caution right then. even if you throw the caution when he's going through the grass, the guys are still just going to make decisions for that corner before they get there.

And the smartest thing that Kevin did was when he came to a stop, just don't move. Everyone will probably miss you unless you move. When you move, everyone has to make different decisions. And, you know, if there's something sitting in the road when you're driving up on it, it's real easy to swerve around it, right? Well, what happens if it starts moving? the things get kind of chaotic at that point in time. So there was no other contact, and I've seen it plenty of times,

you know, until there is more contact, I think, if another car hits there and I start blocking the track. But still, at that point, you're just going for cleanup. I mean, you're not really doing anything. You know, if we're going to, we have the same question if Harvard spins and NASCAR did throw the caution. We're going to be like, well, why did NASCAR throw the caution? Nobody hit him.

we're going to be talking about the other way. Yeah. Like TJ said, spot on. It's a super slow corner. They're still probably in first. You're trying to get into that turn three there. So, I mean, you're not, you know, it's, like you said, it's super slow. You have plenty of time to react. That's just road course racing.

You know, that's a local caution. You know, most indie car race or Formula One race. That's a local caution. You know, they start waving a flag, let you know there's something going on ahead of you. That's why you have spotters. Yeah. And the only time that we need a full course caution on a road course is, you know, guy stopped on the racetrack.

Yeah. The track's blocked, you know, where there's a multi-car wreck, like we've seen it, at Watkins Glen a bunch of times, or, you know, there's debris everywhere, like when Kyle wrecked there was a bunch of stuff back there. Yeah. He wrecked. I mean, that was, yeah. So, yeah, and there's just no reason for a caution there.

What I don't understand is NASCAR specifically tell spotters, hey, there's turnoff and turn five, and there's one in the bus stop. If you need trouble and your car is not, you know, you need to get out of the way off the racetrack, use those exits because we can get you home through the infield and the race can continue on. Well, we had one car getting pushed and they specifically told him where to go off for about a minute and a half getting pushed over there and he just turns the opposite of their way before we get there and go somewhere else. Like, I don't know. You know what I'm talking about, right? 77. Yeah, they're pushing the guy. All right, they want you to turn off. There's an exit

and turn five on the left there. You can clearly see the runoff. There's an exit road into the infield turns off and the kink makes a right instead of a left just you know here's my issue with that and i was going to say it for my rant but i might as well get into it now since we're on top of i know this guess this is my ran this is going to be the 19 truck so i'm doing the 19 truck we are battling for the playoffs with todd gillan and um tyler anchrom so it's close you know what i mean so we're trying to get all the points we can well we have some kind of fuel pump issue on on the back on saturday so we slow down we come back around. We're rolling, roll and rolling, rolling. The thing comes to a stop and off a turn three.

So now they start pushing me. And we think maybe we got a pickup issue. It's just out of gas. We're going to fill the tank up and just try to get only like three or four laps to go. We're just trying to get to the end of the race here. Todd Gillen's out of the race, so we're just trying to gain as many points on him as we can. So they start pushing us and they're starting to tell Derek, you know, do the same thing. You get off over here. Go to the garage. I'm like, I don't want to go to the garage. I want to come around and finish this lap and cross the line. And so we go back out, it happens again.

So we turned out there was something wrong with fuel pump. It was blowing fuses or something. So what happens again, now they're pushing me. They tell me I have to go to the garage. And I don't understand why that's their option and not mine. Like if I would have came back around and finished that lap and went to the garage or went to my pit stall, I would have done 41 laps and finished ahead of two different guys. Right now, I am two points out of the playoffs because they made me go to the garage and I didn't cross the line.

So I don't understand why that's their option and not our option. Like we know what's going on with our car. They don't. Like, so why are you telling me I have to go to the garage right here? I understand it's going to hold up the race maybe. But you're going to have plenty of time. Push me on the apron. I'm going to get back before you go green.

They weren't on one to go. So, I mean, like it shouldn't be their option. Yeah, I think there's a right time for it. Like the 77 was multiple laps down, had a very exciting day. And we're getting ready to go green. And we've got three laps to go in this race. You've got guys with tires, guys. I mean, this is getting ready to be exciting.

I think that's a scenario for that. But if you're just having a mechanical issue and you know you could probably fix it on pit road or something Or at least try. You know what I mean? Like you should be able to complete the laps. I mean, obviously you get pushed back around. That one more lap could be the difference

to me making the playoffs and missing the playoffs now. Yeah. So I don't understand. I don't understand how they can tell you when you have to go to the garage. It should be up to you. And then like obviously if you go to the garage under damage or whatever, you're out of the race.

But the option should always be yours whether or not you want to go to the garage. Obviously if you're, if I was out there smoking and leaking and dropping it all over the race, check. I understand. Yes. Get me off the race track. I think if you once you use up your push the first time, then you get it going, then it happens again. They're like, okay, this guy

is just holding the right. I mean, I can see their frustration. I understand it too because it's a three-mile road course, but like, it's not, so if this happens to somebody else in an oval, they're going to push them back to pit road and not tell them to go to the garage. You know, they're not going to tell them turn in on the backstretch and go to the garage. So now I'm losing out because it just happened that I had a problem

at a road course. You should have went to pit road, but they told me I didn't have the option to. They said I had to turn in right here. And obviously, if they tell me that. I'm not going to do that because now all of a sudden they could start taking laps away or, you know, penalizing the laps. Yeah, you're going to listen to what they say, but you should be given the option to fix a truck. What if it's something you can fix right there? Yeah. But I don't know if they want. I don't know if they're going to let you. I got to apologize to old Mike Weddle because I was screaming out of my parents. Did you hear me? I was going nuts.

I heard you. Did not hear you. Did not hear you. Oh, boy. Spot on, spot off. Bubba Wallace tweets, Joey Lugano tried to win it from 10th into one on the last last. right I don't know I don't know what happened exactly we haven't seen a replay of it unfortunately

there is no replay on TV no replay I've seen some pictures that I thought I saw the videos I saw what I thought happened I got a text from Bowman after the race kind of echoing what I thought happened so maybe we go to TJ first and let him tell us what he thinks happened

well I can tell you what happened you know we pit it obviously from 7th or wherever we were running to get tires and, you know, we restarted, I don't know, man, 15, 16, something like that, and tires were... That bottom line hauled ass. The tires were pretty noticeable there. Like, you could make up some ground with tires.

Well, obviously, we probably weren't going to get back to the lead, but that's what we felt our best play was. We thought more would come in behind us, but obviously a few more stayed out. I would have really liked to start around 10th or so. But I think we could have got inside the top five. head of we restart around 10th. But, you know, we're coming back up through. Got a big run on Alex. We could actually get in.

We were really good into the, we could, we were having, one of our strong points was corner entries. We could really get in hard with the brakes and everything. And we get a big run on Alex and we get a bumper inside of Alex going into one. And Alex is falling above end of the corner. They're no, their, they're bump, their nose to tail. We're actually getting inside Alex and Alex squeezes it. I mean, we have a bumping.

bumper there. We're inside of them and you can only run so, but you can only run people so low. We can't, we're not going to drive through the grass. Um, you know, we're aimed to be our left side right on the grass. And obviously when you go into one, most guys drive their left side right to the grass, swing out a little bit and then go back left. Well, we have a bumper inside Alex. And Alex creeps down just a little bit. Alex had a good, a little bit of a run on Bubba as well. And I think Alex was trying to split the gap, like kind of get inside Bubba when they got into the corner. But when Alex clipped our bumper, it got him loose, and as soon as he did that, he let off the brake pedal as well, and it sent Bubba. So, I don't know what you saw.

So I saw. So here's what I don't understand. We didn't run into the back of the 88. Here's what I don't understand. And we didn't go to the right. If you were inside of the 88, you would have turned the 88, not propelled the 88 forward into me. But he let off the brake pedal. I can show you the data if you'd like to see it.

I don't need to see the data. I was watching the race. The pictures show you behind him on entry. Look at the pictures. You want to see pictures? I got them right here for you. I don't need the pictures. I can show you the data.

I don't need to see data. I'm looking at live pictures, live video. You are behind him in one. He propels forward into us. False information, Freddie. False information. Here we go. When Alex comes down on us, I've got all the data that can show him.

Turn him to the right. How about you show me the data of how much harder you drove in the corner of that lap than you did the previous lap? Did we make the corner? I'm asking you, yeah, because you used us as a break. We didn't use you for a break? Show me the data from the lap before. Did you have the same lift points? Did you have the same brake pressure?

I can show you the data from that too. I'm sure you could. Listen, it is what it is. I don't think. That is inside Alex Bone when he hits right there. Are you joking me? Are you watching the same thing I'm watching? That's already passed.

Where do you hit him? No, back here. Like you're already, we don't hit the back of him. He clips us right there. He's already loose. No, no, no, no, no. You're watching the video. of you driving the back of him and telling me it's inside of it.

We're not. Somebody come out here and verify this. We're going backwards right there. You've already hit. You've already hit. Where am I? What are you talking about? You've already hit at that point.

That's where Alex gets loose and lets off the break pedal and hits you. Okay. We can agree to disagree on that. Listen, I don't think Joey did it on purpose. We didn't hit the back of the 88. Okay. The 88 hit the back of you. Okay.

We don't, I mean. Listen, I know you're never wrong, so I'm not going to argue with you. I know, I can see. Oh, now you're like Brett. All I can tell you. I can show you where Alex left off the break and then you go forward. I'll show you a mile per hour. I'll show you the RPM or whatever.

Okay. Data does not lie. The video that you just showed me on that screen is you driving in the back of the 88. The pictures that I looked at are you driving in the back of the 88. No. The picture I saw is. Come here. Jason.

Come here. Please, Jason. Come here. Come here. I mean, anybody can take a picture of it. I'm watching a video over here. just said it's a video of it. We're going to need this to put in the show.

Jason, tell me where the 22 makes contact with the 88? I wish I could get that. In the side or the back? Right. Here's where we hit. That's where we hit. The 88's coming down. Jason, would you call at the back or the side? So when that's happening right here, corner of the back. See this orange? See that orange go down right there?

That's Alex catching the car because he's getting turned at that point because he's coming down on us. He's turning to the right. See that orange spike right there? That's Alex turning right, which is right now because he's catching it. And then at the same- Because you're up his ass. You're on him. You're behind him.

We're inside of him. Oh, my God. You call that inside? So if you're in the 88 and you're going to tell me that you're okay with that. If you're the 88 right there, you're going to tell me you're going to say- Are you going to call inside right there? Yes. Exactly.

Right there because I know you're going to bomb it in there. But what you make contact is the back corner of the rear bumper. Right there. Are you on the bumper or the quarter panel? Does that happen? Are you on the bumper or the quarter panel? What happens there in a plate race? Are you on the bumper or the quarter panel?

You're inside right there. You're not answering the question. Are you making contact with the corner, quarter panel or the bumper? It's the corner of the bumper. Is that clear? Is that clear? I didn't say it was clear. I didn't say that he should have, I mean, he could have gave you room.

But I'm telling you, you knocked him into us. Is that deniable? I don't understand what you're arguing here. The first contact was made from Alex coming down. Oh, my God. Listen. Like I said. Like I said.

And then we can look at the brakes where Alex gets off the break, and that's when you go forward. I'm sure, because he got shoved from behind. What's he going to do? He's probably trying to save his car. No, you pushed a brake harder at that point. Okay. Hey, you can... Inside's inside.

You got to call it, right? I would have called inside. I don't think he was called inside. That's the thing. Hey, maybe not. I don't know. And also, he might have... been called inside and realized it's the last lap and you're trying to race hard for position.

But the fact remains that you did not drive into his quarter. If you were inside of him, you would have turned him completely around and he would have probably not made contact with us. I feel like he might have got turned if it wasn't for you. You might have saved him. But my point is, listen, I don't care. It's over. It's done with it.

Twitter doesn't show that. I don't think Joey, what do you mean Twitter doesn't show that? Well, of all the responses about getting sent. I mean, you did get hit. I got sent. get sent. I got sent. Listen, no matter what, I didn't say who did it. I think you guys forgot what you are arguing about. So my point is, listen, I don't, listen, I don't care. It is what it is. I don't think by any means, Joey intentionally said, you know what I'm going to do, I'm going

driving here and run this guy into Bubba and hopefully knock him both out of the way so I can get a spot. I don't think he did that. You know, whether you want to say, well, Bubba tweeted, whatever, you know, tried to win it from Lappeda. It was just, that's just Bubba's personality trying to be funny. but the issue comes in here, and we've talked about this on this show before. Bubba is a hard guy to pass. He's always been a hard guy to pass, and he just got harder for Joey, and it's not going to change. Whatever you look at, he's got the same data you look at.

He can look at the day, and he'll have a different opinion, I hope. I guarantee he doesn't, because what I just saw is you knocking the 88 in us. You don't turn right when you're slowing down like that. When you get hit from square behind, you go straight. Okay. I'm telling you. I'm just telling you where you made contact with him, you would be mad. If the rolls reversed, you would be mad.

at the 88. You just got done saying you hit the square back of the guy in the Xfinney race with AJ and he went straight into the corner. If we hit the back of, if we hit the back of Bowman, how come he didn't go straight? Because he'd come down across the nose. If you were inside of him, you would have turned him sideways and he wouldn't have got, you were not.

We did. He turned right. He corrected it because you pushed on the back bumper into a corner that he's going left. I mean, you tell me, Weatherman doesn't have to correct his car then? Or whatever car was? No. No. You don't turn. You don't turn. you don't turn right

when you get shoved into a flat corner and you're turning left you don't turn right the only thing I can tell you from this whole mess is do not come down to talk to me when Bubba is racing you like for the rest of the year that's all there is to it

I mean I'm not overly worried about it I'm sure you're not but I guarantee it's going to happen I think the accident doesn't happen if the lane's given and we drive by him and probably race you into three probably I don't know what I thought what happened but we talked about it on here why would you give anything up you know

Why are you getting, it's not, I mean, you can call inside anticipating that you're going to drive it in there on the bottom. But, you know, it wasn't like he was at the guy's wheel. He wasn't even at his, he was barely inside of his bumper. And then you make contact with the back of the car on the quarter, you know, the back corner of the bumper. So barely still doesn't count as being there. I mean, I'm not, I'm not going to barely clear Joey and then get hooked into the wall and be like, sorry, man, you were barely clear, but not really. Okay, but you're wrecked. I mean, if the guy is there, I mean, I got to call that inside.

And if I'm Joey, if I'm Joey and I call inside and he comes down and we get hit like that, I'm probably putting that way more on Joey for crown the guy. I mean, you got a guy with tires trying to survive. And my issue is the problem like, okay, yeah, well, you know, we were going to finish top 10. I mean, were you really still going to finish top 10 at that point? I mean, you don't know that for fact, right? Who said that we were going to finish top 10? I said we were running.

What did Bubba's tweet say? Bubba said running 10th at the white flag. Running into top 10th at the white flag. We run that. Yeah. He said running in the top 10 of the white flag and got ran over. Yeah. But I mean, listen, when you stay out on old tires like that, you know guys are going to be coming. They're going to be super aggressive.

Then I'll be, oh, I'm going to follow this guy through this corner and hope he gets the top 10 and I don't or whatever. I mean. Like I said, I don't. I would expect if he had tires to be as aggressive as that, I would expect the same as that thing. I'm not saying. Like, listen, it is what it is. I'm just saying we got ran over running 10th, or running 8th, and possibly had a top 10.

Bub was terrible at road course racing. He'll be the first one to tell you that. It's pretty good at turn one at the glen. And, you know, we have the day where we stay out, we have a great restart. We start 11th. We got up to like 7th. And somebody got around us, Kaz, I think, got around us. And then you get run over from behind.

Obviously, you can be aggravated about it. Now, the problem is, we'll talk about this later. But, you know, you go to talk to the guy, over. He goes, hey, you know, we're just racing. Everybody's just racing hard. Instead of saying, yeah, you know, maybe I got in there a little hot, you know, my bad, sorry. So, you know, no, it's just like, you know, it is what it is. So now that's going to be the response he gets, when he gets mad if we do something to him back later. We're not going to wreck him. By any means, there's no way we're going to go out here and wreck Joey the gun on the playoffs. I'm not saying

that. That's the furthest thing from our mind. But I promise you, if we're racing for position, if he's lapping us, it's going to be a hell of a lot harder for him to get around us for the rest of the year. I mean, I don't, I don't think anybody has a problem with hard racing. Like I said I would expect a guy with tires be racing as hard as that. Me personally would probably give a guy a little more room that's going for it. I would. Knowing he's going to be. That's on them guys.

All I know is I was running 8th and got ran over. I'm not denying that. You got hit from behind, but it wasn't the same, wasn't the car that. I don't feel like you're blaming the wrong car. I disagree. Data shows otherwise, but. Yeah. Hey, we interrupt this very important conversation.

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I think that's a little disappointing Chase Elliott Most popular guy And you know most popular driver winner now You skip his interview Did they skip the interview? Yeah they burn out and everything missed it all

Went to the local news So like as soon as the checker flag fell Like cool down lap they cut off? Yep Was it over the time limit I'm sure it had to be closed It's lightning delayed Yeah

What did they go to? So NBC went to the local news And then NBCSN had a hockey game So they weren't going to show it, but it just was local news in Charlotte. Local news. Wow. You know what it would have been nice, speaking to this NBC coverage, is a freaking replay of me getting run over, or even a mention of it. People are like, what happened to you guys on the last lap?

Nothing did they say nothing. You went from 8th to 25th. Nobody said a word. Yeah. I went back and looked at TV, and I'm like, I went back to watch it like three times. Like, did I miss something? I mean, I was kind of skipping through, wait, and I'm like, uh, I don't. Yeah, that's.

I think this is a product of, so, you know, going back. Lightning delay? Yeah, but I mean, still, I mean, I understand if you're going to another live event, maybe, you know, I didn't know if it was good. They were going to a hockey game or whatever else could have been on. But, you know, if you're going to a live event, I get it. You know, we're on, you know, trying to get it here as fast as we can. But, I mean, to go to the news, like, you could surely push the news back 10 minutes or take a segment out and let us get the most popular driver. I mean, the one thing that kills me about this was, it was hot yesterday.

That was the hottest I have ever been spotting. I mean, I felt like I was in a tanning bed, the way the aluminum was reflecting the sun. I am fried right now. And these guys were war out. You know, Bubba was talking about it at the break there, you know? And I think JJ Yaley fell out like they had to take him to the care center. These guys are war out. And now we always make this argument about whether or not drivers or athletes, you know, whatever.

show these guys on TV after this race is over. They were war out. They drove their asses off. God only knows, I bet it was 150, 160 degrees in that car yesterday. I mean, they are burning up in there. And that's even with a 30, 40 minute break for the lightning there. But, I mean, show this on TV. Show how hard these guys are working and get some notoriety for their sponsors.

You've got the most popular driver winning the race. Doesn't even get an interview. I did, Jason, I saw an interview with him. Did that show up anywhere? I saw it on Twitter. Yeah, on social media. The only interviews I saw were on social media. So, I mean, I don't get it.

I don't understand. I think people would have more respect for what these guys are out there going through if you do get a look at them and see how we're out they are. But man, that's the first race at a track. We've never raced on it. It's been, that's just saying they've never raced on it, but it's been, what, since the 70s or whatever since they raced on that track? Yeah, I don't know.

Like they were showing old clips of like, modifies and stuff out there. But, I mean, how long ago was that? That was forever ago, man. Oh, that was in the 70s. This is kind of a historic event for our series, you know, to go to the Daytona Road course, which is, man, a well-known, they've got corner names, you know what I mean?

International Horseshoe, things like that. This place is up there. I mean, all the guys that race in Europe want to come over here and run the 24-hour race there. So, yeah, I think it'd be a big deal to show that on TV. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. You know, I've seen a lot. I mean, there was literally, I saw a thread on Reddit that was like 500 comments, and it was just different things that, you know, scoring issues, I guess,

like the, which is also tough because I think the scoring on TV usually goes off to start finish line. So the lap is so long that, you know, guys pit, and they cross the line on pit road, but so now the shows they're running 11th, but they're really running 25th. Yeah. So, you know, some of that stuff can be explained away, but I think a lot of this is just their setup. up. I don't understand, like, looking back at some of the pictures like Clint posted when he was doing the Xfinity races, he's in a studio, you know, a studio purpose built for this with what looks like he's looking out, he's got 20 monitors in front of him with different cameras and it looks like he's looking out at the racetrack. You know what I mean? It's the entire racetrack in front of him and he can look at every different monitor and see, oh, there's a guy over here in turn one. There's a guy over here coming to pit road. And I feel like they don't have that. I feel like they're working off the TV broadcast that where we're. watching. You know what I mean? And in a place like that, it's easy. It's very easy for these guys to miss stuff. And, you know, I think that sounds to me, like, I still haven't watched it. Did you watch,

you didn't watch the Xfinery Race replay? No. So I watched the Xfinery Race, and there were numerous times where I saw something start to happen. And the camera just kept on, like, you saw Hemrick. I saw Hemrick go off and I was like, oh, I know there's a wall over there. And then we're like, but we were following these two guys that are single file. I'm like, uh, then you come back and he's sitting there, the hood's all jacked up, and I'm like, ah, you know, I wanted to, even on the leaders, like, I saw, you saw Cindrick and, uh, Briscoe driving to one and they disappeared

off the bottom of the screen. You're like, I know that's not where the racetrack goes. Um, you know, they're, they disappear off. I know they're missing the corner. I want to see what's happening for the lead. Here we go. The whole field. I'm like, yeah, that's what Brett said, you know, Brett was why I was spotting for it. You need to be back up above kind of where we are so you can see the whole thing. Yeah. Brett said like that, you know, he said, Dale's doing a hell of a job talking about how exciting the first turn. You know, is right here and they don't even show it.

All we let up to this whole week was how exciting turn one's going to be for this first race. I think the broadcasters do a really good job. It's tough for them, man. I think Dale Jr. and them do. They got a good mix because Stevie does the – Stevie does a good job with the – well, I'm nervous as a crew chief right here because I don't know whether I made this call or that call, and you know why.

And then Dale Jr. and Burton's really good about, oh, this driver. You know, he's feeling like this right now. And then Del Jr.'s like, well, he wants to get this done right here. You're like, you got a really, you got a really diverse group. What is their setup? Like, are they all in the booth? I know it's four of them, right? They're all in their, I think they got their separate rooms.

But they're in different, but they're all, like, they're there in the same area. They're all there. Yeah. So, I mean, it's tough for them, man. And you're, and you're, and you're doing your best. You know, I've seen a lot of complaints about them, like, almost talking over each other. It's, you don't realize how hard it is when, when you're all trying to get, you know, you're all trying to get your point across and you're not standing there together or there's not, you know, I mean, it's just. It's just, I mean, that...

And this track, I mean, is not easy to watch, let alone. I think these guys are doing a good job for the handicap they've been handed with these screens and stuff. But I think... And you got to remember, what is this? Their second or third race? Yeah, and if we're all back, I mean, I don't know why they couldn't... You know, these guys could be... They could do their meetings all day and then go up to the booth where they're at

and probably call more informative, better race being at the track. I don't understand. Yes. I don't understand why they're not, especially if we have fans there now. You know, you're talking about, what, three or four extra guys, you know, maybe some production people. I mean, it'd be the same people you're going to be around. You're going to see the same people that you see now in the room. You know what I mean?

I get it. You've got to travel there. But everyone needs to be, obviously, got to be responsible with that. But I know these guys can be. Yeah. I know they can safely get to where they need to go. They could do their job a thousand percent better if they're there. Especially, I feel like you can get away with it.

at an oval. You know what I mean? You can kind of, and to remember, you know, Fox didn't have an oval. So you can't compare, you know, Fox was so much better than NBC. To my recollection, Fox didn't do any road courses, right? We didn't run any road courses. Got canceled. Before, you know, before, you know, you can't compare, that's apples and oranges because Fox

didn't, you don't know how Fox would have handled a road course versus that. What is a 24-hour race normally on? Actually, no, NBC. It's changed NBC the last few years. Okay, so they have experience with camera angles and stuff like that. And also, another thing to remember is, I don't know, how thin is this NBC crew? They're doing 24-hour hockey in two different locations right now.

You know, I don't know what they've got, you know, for people. I mean, it's definitely tough times, but, I mean, you just need to see more like that turn one in the senior race. They were zoomed in on turn one and once you, that was it. Like, you need to, I want to see, like, even on like eye racing, if I go on eye race and you just watch a race or they go on there and say your brother's racing or you're racing, I zoom out because I want to see what's happening, you know, throughout a whole bunch, a handful of cars like you got to kind of do it like a plate race a little bit you got to zoom out and get more cars in the picture at one time so um but yeah definitely some it could work on a little bit obviously give them a break you know they're they're working it ain't easy i mean it's it's imagine you know you're watching your tv at home and trying to figure out you're watching turn one and a guy

draws off on turn eight and how would you know i mean if that's what they're watching you they're i'll screen it man i put a camera on the leaders and i put a camera covering a wider view of the track at Like I don't know. Like I said, the deal that Clint looked like he had, he had cameras everywhere. Like, it was like he was looking out the window with the racetrack. So, you know, that's obviously what they would need. But, I mean, that's tough to spread them out there. Obviously, maybe you can pick five or six action spots and just so you know, like, where, you know, a local caution could be so you can have it.

But, I mean, you've got to give them a little bit of a break. It's, like I said, it's less than five races in for them. But, I mean, obviously, I think they need to be at the racetrack. Yeah. When it's safe for them, no, because obviously. There's some other circumstances as well. Spot on, spot off. Justin Allgaier confronts A.J. Almendinger after being spun late in the Xfinity series race.

Freddie. Yeah, I mean, I thought it was pretty funny. A.J. spot on for AJ's reaction. He was just kind of, he's like, hey, I made a mistake. What do you want me to do? Sorry. And then, of course, he has to be A.J. And say, I made a mistake.

I've seen you make lots of them. So, you know, and I think that kind of just, it is what it is. Like, that's all you're looking for. And in that situation, I don't mean, obviously just. I don't know. He was talking about Talladega. I don't know. We weren't even near him when he wrecked to Talladega,

so I'm not sure what he was talking about there. But, yeah, I don't know. So, you know, I think that's all you. If you're going down there and the guy says, hey, I screwed up. You know, I got a video at Talladega, though. And a guy, did you see that video? Did you, did you hit all the guy at Talladega? Okay, because I saw a video that, and AJ wasn't even near him.

He was on the other lane. Yeah, we were on the bottom. Like, he got the, somebody. I think Justin mixed the 10 and the 16 up. Maybe, yeah, because. Because the 10 is what checked Noah up, and Justin hit Noah or whatever. And AJ was just on the bottom. My brother made the video.

Did you see the video? Was it your brother? Yeah. The one AJ retweeted? Did he highlight AJ and stuff? Yeah, like circled AJ on the bottom. Yeah, okay. That's pretty good.

Good job. Good video work there. You busy at the next row course? Like we talked about, yeah, really. Can you film turn one for me by any chance? But I think that's what you're looking for. You go down there and the guy says, hey, man, I screwed up. Which is wall that happened.

We had just made a hell of a pass on Andy Lally around the outside of turn five. And he just tried to outbreak Andy Lally into turn six. And wheel hopped and got in the back of Justin, unfortunately. But, you know, obviously he wasn't malicious. And we didn't wreck him before. So, I mean, all you can do is apologize. And, of course, AJ had to put his little twist on it. But, you know, I think that's all you're looking for.

Yeah, I think it's just... Justin's had a really rough year, man. He's been caught up. If something, Justin's just had so much bad luck. And I think he's just, it wouldn't have mattered who it was, man. He's just at that point, you know what I mean? Like Justin broke the camel's back. Justin can have the, he's turned a couple of them days.

He's had, you know, laps down, lap 10 of the race, fights back. He's running inside the top five. Then somebody tries to get inside of him and wrecks him again. And he's just like, you fought back all day from that. Just to get. And it hurts a little more when it's a guy that doesn't run. the series full time right now and the guy that does, you know,

what is, AJ's there to win. And obviously, he wasn't, what position was like, fifth or six or something like that? Yeah, fourth or fifth, I think.

So obviously not really in a position to win a race. But AJ, you know, to me that's a rare AJ mistake. AJ doesn't normally, doesn't normally, you know,

he's not that type to go out there and wreck a guy that's racing for a championship like that, but that's just par for Justin's season. You know, AJ, I don't,

AJ, what can he say? I messed up. I mean, that's all he can say. I'm sorry, what do you want me to say? You're not going to, don't make excuses, don't, whatever. I feel bad to Justin's had so much bad luck, and he seems to be, he's just gotten pushed around a little bit. And, I mean, it all started. Where to start?

Like Bristol, or I started earlier in the year. Probably before that, but yeah. He got pushed around at Bristol. And he just, I mean, every race is like, who's going to hit Justin this week? You know what I mean? He just keeps getting hit. He's got a horrible season. Yeah, but, and, you know, I understand Justin's frustration.

But, AJ, I mean, AJ said, what can you say? I messed up. I'm sorry. It's all you can say. And I don't know if... I just, like, AJ's reaction to the whole thing was hysterical, I thought, like, what?

Yeah. I mean, I know Justin's going to be mad, but what can you say when a guy says it just messed up, man? And you could see he messed up. Yeah. So, I don't know, a rare AJ mistake. Just tried a little bit too hard, but, I mean, he's there to race, too,

and you can't fall to guy for racing. He's there. He's paid by Colliger, you know, to run them races. And I tell, you know, we've had people up there, obviously, and you do some part-time stuff, and it's a guy I'll come down to you. I remember it happened a lot in Modified Racing. The guy come down and be like, hey, take it easy. I'm running for a championship. I said, well, you should probably get the hell out of my way because I'm not. Like, I'm trying to get to the free, you know, front here.

Yeah. And it is what, obviously, if you're not going to turn the guy on purpose. But, you know, mistakes happen. And to use the fact that all, you know, he's a part-time guy. I can't believe he did it. He wasn't trying to do it. You know what I mean? So it's messed up, man. It's a accident. That's what happens in racing, man. guys make mistakes and accidents happen.

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