Door Bumper Clear - 188 - Play to Win the Game

Episode Date: August 24, 2020

A packed weekend of racing at Dover International Speedway and Indianapolis Motor Speedway is in the books. Brett Griffin, T.J. Majors and Freddie Kraft break it all down along with co-host Casey Boat and producer Jason Schultz. The gang covers a much improved racing quality at the Monster Mile, Joey Logano wrecking Ricky Stenhouse Jr. early in Sunday’s race and Jimmie Johnson’s team making a gutsy call to gain spots late. The Cup Series is off to Daytona International Speedway to conclude its regular season. With the playoff bubble tight, the guys discuss how drivers and teams should approach the race. Is the strategy to ride around in the back or race up front? They debate that and why drivers should carefully choose who they help in the draft. The Indianapolis 500 finished under caution on Sunday. Was that the right call? The crew weighs in. It’s rumored that a celebrity owner is considering investing into a Cup Series team. Find out who it is and which team he’s eyeing. Questions loom about the future of NASCAR at Eldora Speedway. Hear why the guys think the Truck Series may not return. As Kyle Larson continues to dominate the dirt racing circuit, questions on if he’ll return to NASCAR resurface. Hear about what his future may look like. Plus, how T.J. would fare as a jockey in the Kentucky Derby? That answer and many more in this episode.  Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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the playoff points bubble heading to Daytona, and the Indy 500 ending under caution. I'm ready to get it going this week. Let's get started. This is Brent Griffin. Hey, me too now. This is Freddie Crack. Be ready, be ready. Be ready. Oh, watch out for this guy. White flag. Rek a high.

Hello. Clear. Bring home. Three lights. Coming to the line. Door. Bumper. Clear.

Woo! Hey, everybody. I'm T.J. Majors. Spot of the 22-cup car, the 9-9 truck this week. And Full House, once again, well, no. Missing man is back. Who are you going to wreck this week? Maybe you.

You might wreck me yesterday. If you'd have wrecked me yesterday, I'll tell you right now I'd knock you out. There's zero chance we got close to wrecking here. If you had taken me out of that chase, I would have called Klan after race and said, you better wrecked this motherfucker every week between now and the end of the year. You wrecked Freddie the week before. You better get in line. You wrecked Freddie the week before, and you do everything you possibly could to wreck me right there.

No, we didn't do everything. I want to know what the data says about you hitting the 47. Obviously, we know how to do it. So if we wanted to wreck you, we would have. I want to know what your data said when you hit the 47. It said, got tight. Yeah. Are we talking about it now or later?

Oh, no, we're talking about it now. Or later, don't worry. No, we're definitely talking about it now. Well, we have a whole topic on it. Breast trying to talk about a topic. Brett Griffin's spot over Clint Boyer. It doesn't exist. Barely avoided the wreck, which T.J.

caused yet again. He's wrecked Freddie. He's wrecked Kevin Hamlin. He's wrecked. Who spots for the 47? That's not really true. We never touched Freddie. Frank Denny.

I thought you liked Frank Denny. I do like Frank Danny. I mean, I know you don't like the other two, but at least thought you like that guy. Yeah, I told him. I was sick of him. And that was it. What's up? Freddie Kraft.

I'm the previous week's guy that got turned. Spotter for the 43 Bubba Wallace. Spotter for Derek Krause in the 19. I don't know who the hell. I had Josh Williams in the Xfinity race this week. I thought he was a spotter. Yeah, we let him drive this week. Oh, that's cool.

There's actually two of them, believe it or not. Oh, there is? But, yeah, so full week of racing, I don't know, like a thousand laps. That was fun. A lot of races in three days. Yeah, five races in three days was busy. But now, hey, kudos talking about, you know, racing like that. We're back on schedule.

After all that mess, two months off, we are officially back on schedule. There's a couple added, you know, truck races here and there, a couple of exfini races. But besides that, the Cup Series is back on schedule. Well, they've added a couple good races, too, to, like the trucks and stuff. They're going to be good. That's where we, like, I think what they had, Richmond. They had Darlington and Richmond. Yeah, and Richmond, Richmond, they, Richmond's a make-up for the Richmond race that they were going to run because they were run this year.

I'd have been okay going to the roval with them, too. I think that had been a really exciting truck race. Yeah. Casey, how are you living? Oh, you know, just still here, still pregnant, so just living a life. Have you left the house yet? Are you still been locked up? I mean, we'll go out and, like, eat at a restaurant, maybe outside or just,

kind of take it easy, but honestly, with all the racing on every weekend, Chad just wants to, like, I watched six hours of IndyCar practice last weekend. Chad wasn't in Knoxville, was he? He was not, thankfully. That's a good thing. She looked like she was getting ready to say he was, and that look on her face. No, he was not, but that's crazy. That's a bucket list race for me.

I want to do the Knoxville Nationals. Yeah, I've never done Knoxville National. I'm glad I didn't do it this year, though. I know. I'm glad that. I don't think. They talked about doing it. it this year, but obviously

plans changed. I think you guys already did it. I got to be honest, Knoxville, I don't think was the issue. Knoxville, the racetrack wasn't the issue. I believe Dingus might have been the problem. That's the only reason I don't know. I feel like that's the hazard. That wasn't even the real Knoxville Nationals, though.

I mean, I think it was in place of, right? How do you cancel the Knoxville Nationals? I just do that event? What's the difference? Everyone treated it like it was the nationals. Yeah, I don't, I don't know. Do you know do you know I have any idea, Casey? I do not. I'm not aware. You cancel the nationals, but you still run a big sprint car races.

With fans. With fans that everyone treats as the national nationals. You might as well just call it the national nationals. Everybody that would have races was still there. Right? Yeah, I mean, it's true. I was not involved in that process. Not sure.

I'm not sure. You were. Sorry. And, of course, we can't forget our producer, Jason, way in the back over there. Thank you so much, Casey. You're still here, Jason? Yeah, I thought we replaced this. Has not been replaced yet.

It's been slow on the resume. How many shows is this for you? Is this like two years? Where are we at? This is the third year. Third? You been here that long? Yeah, he's destroyed job.

So my time as producer, my alcohol drinking have like simultaneously gone up at the same time. I'm like to blame bread. What are you up to now? Three white claws? I know, yeah. Guys getting doing a night. Jason, we're going to Oyster Pub this week. You want to come?

Not. Well, it was fun. I just didn't want to do that giant-ass shot you tried to give me. Rule number one, Jason, you broke it. I would have done anything else except this cupful of a shot. I'd be glad I wasn't there. And then he p-ed out on the end of the night. Yeah.

Well. Are you kidding? Are you kidding? Me? Look at him. How long did you stay there five minutes before it closed anyway? No, we were there for a little while. Doesn't matter. You still got to go. Last call.

You still got to go, Jason. Rule number one. he's never going to go out again with you. No. He's going to be busy and all sorts of stuff. It was entertaining. He's never going to enjoy the entertainment. No, yeah, he's just going to ignore it and stuff.

He'll text me back the next day. Oh, sorry, I didn't see this. Yeah, oh, yeah, I was sleeping. We should do a... Once I can do a... Once I can drink again, we should do a field trip. We're either taking him to big owls. I mean, we can just stay local.

Scores and big owls. Hopefully I'm still... I haven't been back to Big Al since my birthday, so I don't know if they got my picture on the wall or anything. I asked Doug every week if he's, replaced that table yet. You guys broke tables? That's allegedly.

I don't really recall much of it. Well, every time I ask Dougie says no, so something broke. My kid had baseball practice. I'd have been right in the middle of that. Hey, I didn't listen to the full show last week. I listened to bits and pieces of T.J. making up reasons why he didn't actually cause that wreck. But did you guys give Quinn Huff a shout out for finally passing Kyle Larson and points?

I don't remember. I know he said something nice about him. Good, good. I take it all back. Are you kidding me? 19 races later Did you not see him on Saturday? He went to hit pit road

And didn't lift till like he was way into turn three It was right in front of us And I was like I saw him go to the apron in three But I could tell that he was obviously going way too fast To make any sort of corner out of that And I was like, watch that one There's no way to go but up when you get there

And we're getting ready to go into the corner I'm like oh man this is watch the water fun anyway Oh my gosh Like I about closed my dad My eyes when that happened. Then he wrecked yesterday, right? He spun out. He was the last caution.

He did spin out, but I think he finished, didn't he? Yeah, I think he just spun off a two. Lejoy was the last caution, which was kind of a BS caution. Didn't he hit the wall, though, or he just spent? No, he just rode the wall for about a hot minute. Caution, put it out. Yeah. Reset.

Screwed me. I went from a top eight to their last. Talk about Pitt Road. Did you see Ryan Priest do his best? best Quinn Huff impression? Wow. Asked DBC. Is it?

Yep. Oh, yeah. Hung a left. Pitting. Pitting this time. Oh, from the third lane, from the top rope, priest. Oh, boy. Well, Wagell AX.

DBC to pile on there. I feel in Casey. Any contractions? Yeah, any contractions, water break in. Don't want to talk about it. And no, if we air the part of the beginning of the show, no, if my water breaks. I'm not staying on the show.

sorry. What do you got? Two more weeks? No. No, it's closer than that, isn't it? Yeah, my date's Sunday. Yeah, so you got two more weeks. So everybody else I know that's pregnant around this time,

I already had their babies, and then I'm just sitting here like, okay. It's good. We'll be home Saturday night, so if we get to the date, we'll be home for a week. We ought to be around. That's good. Yeah, if you have a Sunday, if you have it Sunday, you can do the show on Monday. That'd be perfect. I mean, what do you mean?

Moral support? I mean, help. They got good Wi-Fi. this place you're going to have this baby. Are you delivering this thing in a pool or anything fancy? No, that is not happening. No birthing center. It's a hospital. Hospital. Don't worry. Some people go crazy with having kids, man. They get creative. Yes. Living room is apparently popular. I'm down with just doing it the normal way. No, we don't want to know where it was created. Here's an idea. Let's use a doctor.

I got a crazy idea. So funny. Well, either way, hopefully this will be my last week here for a while. because if I'm still here on Monday, then we're going to have some issues. What are you talking about? That's mean. That's a, I mean, yeah, I mean.

Well, for a little, I mean, I would like to have her eventually. Yeah, I mean, Zoom works. From the hospital room? I say Zoom from the hospital. There's that table they can,

they bring your food over on and stuff that sits great front and you put your laptop on it and Zoom. You just have to do your hair and stuff. You'll be good. We'll consider it. We'll talk about it. Jason, we'll offline.

Don't worry. Definitely a priority for me. Can you believe we didn't rain out all this weekend? We had no rain delays in Dover, which is... I know. I started to sweat a little bit during that extended race. All of a sudden I'm like, where the hell's this rain coming from? It's big drops.

I'm like, oh, man, don't let it rain, please. Like we talked about, four o'clock start now. You soaked that place down at four o'clock. It drives pretty quick, but still, I mean, we were... It was pretty dark at the end of that race yesterday. When we left the racetrack yesterday, we had 30 minutes of day lay left. So one quick shower would have, well, no way we would have made that, or not halfway, depending on the shower hit.

So, yeah. Good race, good weekend to race now. A lot of race. And I thought the, I thought the Xfinity series on that tire put on a little bit of a better show than we did. That's odd. I mean, you look at Saturday, I thought our race was pretty good, the Cup race. But watching the Xfinity Series race before that, like, it was awesome.

and then you watch the Sunday race, the Cup race, and Harvick was really the only guy that could be a comer and goer. Like everybody else, I was awesome on Saturday and Sunday. I was just stuck. It was the same thing we've said. I mean, I think the package was way better than last year. Last year was awful. Way better.

Last year was terrible. The package this year was better, but we still have the same issue where the tire didn't wear out. You put Austin Dillon out there out front and at one stage, and he checks out. He's gone. And finally, Denny runs him down. But everybody else, you know, I think he finished. second in that stage.

Second or third. So, I mean, you still, I just, you know, obviously high speeds there, you know, we're just always worried about loads and you don't want to see guys blowing tires, but we still have to figure out a way to have these tires wear out. Yeah, they slow down, but they just don't, they don't produce that wear out. Everyone slows down the same pace, though. Yeah. You know, there's no, there's no saving your tire a little bit.

Yeah, there's no guy like somebody burned their stuff up. Such a great racetrack. It's a shame that it's not putting on a better show because of that tire, because it should be. And it's going to most likely one race next year. Yeah. Which sucks. A tire wear track anywhere. These racetracks can all be great racetracks with tire wear.

Yeah. So, but is what it is. We see, I see a lot of people always tweet this at us or in the XDBC. And I feel like we've talked about it before, and we've seen it a couple times in an all-star race. But do you think any kind of like option tire would make any difference? Like, do you think if the teams, I mean, obviously, if the teams, would that be more strategy into it where, if you had one set of super soft tires or something like that. But I feel like they would all just put them on the same time.

Well, you're going to hear what I'm going to say. Make them all super soft. Yeah. Make them if they can wear and they can last for an opportunity for people to be strategic about it, make the whole batch of tires that way. Right now we don't have to manage tires at all. No. We need to have to manage tires.

I mean, there's very few places. There's Atlanta, homestead, you know. I mean, it's been a handful of years since we've had to do that. But I'm telling you, like, Like, we need every race to be like Atlanta, where you got guys that can chill out a little bit, and then they can actually excel at the end of a run because they were smarter on tires. Now it's hammered down as hard as you can go the whole time, and that's it. There's no, you know, strategy in that at all.

So, you know, once you run a certain amount of laps, you know everybody's – honestly, most people pit by fuel windows. You know, it depends on what kind of fuel window you're near, and when you're setting yourself up for the next one. That's what you're pitting for, really. You're not pitting because my tires have wore out. I mean, it's ridiculous. You see a couple times,

especially somebody's mile and a halfs where, you know, a guy will short pit to try to get a little advantage and he'll come out right in front of the leaders and it'll be 30, 40 lap difference on tires, and the leader will go up there and pass them. Passing. You know, like it's like, well, that backfired. That's a major problem. Yeah.

I'd like to knock another few inches off the spoiler as well. Just take them off. I mean, you can see a slight difference, though. You can see a little bit of a difference this week. Obviously, I thought the package was better this year than it was last year. Oh, way better. It was a way better show. The cup race last year there was absolutely embarrassing.

It was not embarrassing. It needs more, though. To me, it needs a little bit more. I mean, you can see the guys, they're close to having to catch it. You can tell when somebody gets a little bit close, but they're not out of it. You know what I mean? It's not a tool yet to use. But you got to take this in consideration.

Saturday's cup race was better than Sundays. Why? Because Saturday night, everybody had an opportunity to work on a cars and make them better and make them faster had we gone in there and ran two practices or three practices like a normal weekend yeah there's a solid chance the race sucked just as bad as it did last year if those guys have an opportunity i mean it might have been bad on Saturday too but apparently the forest track bar kept bottoming itself out on the right side so that he he couldn't he couldn't kick everybody's ass yeah so that kind of you know handicapped him i guess a little bit yeah denny was

crazy fast on Saturday i texted him after race i was like well that was pretty much an ass kick in the you don't even like this place. He's like, no, I don't. I still don't. So you saw two guys dominate two different races. All right, well, let's hear more about our presenting sponsor Offerpad before we get started. Man, we're headed back to Daytona Beach, home of the world center of racing. Mine and Freddie's favorite hangout on the toy of the oyster pub. And it's close to two major housing markets for our presenting sponsor Offerpad.com. That's right, Brett. Who wouldn't want to live in Florida? Well, if you want to call Daytona your home track, you can look into moving to either the Jacksonville or Orlando areas with Offerpad.

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Spot off, you don't like it and you say why either way. First topic, Ricky Sinhouse Jr. says Joey Lugano's apology doesn't mean anything after lap seven Rick on Sunday. Spot on, spot off. TJ, this one is definitely for you.

I mean, spot off. You don't want to ever get into somebody that early in a race. Just, you know, racing hard just got into them. Joey said he messed up. There's, you know, there's a long list of, you know, Ricky's apologies or whatever when he's mounted people many times. I mean, you mess up sometimes. Ricky's done the same thing. Lap one at Darlington. You know, you make a mistake sometimes. And you hate to see it because those guys are there working hard and, you know, his crew guys didn't deserve that. And he didn't deserve that as well. but that's just racing at the track, you know, and not much else you can say about it. Spot on. I mean, at least he got an apology. I mean, I don't know what he's mad about.

I mean, you could have just got run over on the last lap and not even got an apology. Not only did you not give an apology, Freddie. I got told I was wrong, you know. You got Joy, Joy, Joe, yeah, Joey texts Bubba that basically said it was not his fault, right? Yeah. When you get pinched by a guy and he hits you after that,

that's not on a lot. Hey, you're the only guy in the country that thinks that's fine. That's not really true. There's two of it, actually. Spot on for it only being a single car wreck, man. On restarts at this place, lap seven. Well, it was two cars. It could, well, it was actually two or three cars.

Who the hell? How did those guys wreck in the back? How did the guy run a dead last wreck? So I don't know how the guy's in the back. I saw the nine get a little bit of damage from it, which. A little bit. He was a cut. A little bit.

But I don't even know what he hit. Like, maybe the 18 or something. checked up, I think, really hard and the nine got into the back. We were all running wide open and you turned a guy in front of the fields. It's pretty narrow.

That's what happened. Well, just lift. I think we all lifted and we all tried to miss it. No, that's not true because not everybody lifted. But fortunately, you see in the back.

Fortunately, the 14 missed. Like, I couldn't believe we were wrecking right there because I didn't see anything that was right behind you. I didn't see anything that was like, okay, Brett, be ready. These guys are about to wrecking.

All of a sudden, I was like, it caught me off guard, too, because we stay, we got underneath him in turn two and he kind of crowded us a little bit but you just got to hang us on someone's quarter panel you know what I mean you got to try to stay there so you can make the pass into the next corner and I didn't even think anything of it I thought we were going to race down the front stretch and then next thing I know we're sliding up a little bit he lost the nose and 47 spinning I mean like you said you don't really you don't that's a spot of the race where you don't really expect to see a wreck that earlier at that part of the field either I mean I know you don't want me to win dBC picks for the hundredth year in a row but that's going to an all time I'm low to completely take my guy out on lap seven. Had to do what you got to do. I mean, this guy, Joe, he just don't care. He don't care how many enemies he makes.

Hell of it. And the worst part about making enemies, it'd be one thing if you're going to race these guys. But Bub is pissed off at him. He ain't never going to see us in the playoffs. Stan House, he ain't afraid to wreck somebody. Now you get around this guy. I mean, I've seen him messing with you yesterday for five laps after he came out of the pits. Like, oh, Dillner.

Big Rick. so I mean gee I mean good luck I mean we thought we talked a lot about Noah Gregson on here making enemies in the beginning of the year and now and we kind of burned him to the ground and Joey's on that same path here the last couple weeks yeah I mean I you know the only thing I mean you see Joey going to apologize that's my fault I'm sorry I don't I see him apologize with one guy he didn't apologize to the other guy okay so he got the nine he got the 18 a little bit we didn't see the 18 all day yesterday so maybe he got more damage he had he had a bunch of guys he had a bunch of guys damage. It knows just killed. Right side was hurt. Somehow another, the guy running dead last, the 51 got in it. Destroyed. The seven was down there on the apron, stopped.

Look, if you're running dead last and you get in a wreck for guys that are racing for around 10, there's a solid chance. You have no idea what state you're even in. I don't even know. Who was the 51? Is that Charlie Gates yesterday? I don't know. I don't know who's driving in 50 cars.

Yeah. They swap around a lot. Actually, you don't know who they are. 51. sneak up right here. Those got like 77. Yeah. I know Gary was in the seven.

JJ's been in the 27 pretty consistently, I think. I just have no idea. It was in the 51 yesterday. Yeah, I'm not sure. But it was destroyed. Joey Gase. Yeah. I'm talking that thing needed front and rear clip,

and he was running somewhere in the last three cars. That wreck happened, what? Maybe 10th-ish? Yeah. Yeah. Exactly around there. I started 40th. They were 40th.

So you figure we're coming off of four. they're probably just going into three at that point, roughly probably. Yeah. Oh, yeah. But he still managed a wreck. Jeez. That's a long way to. It's a lot of ground to cover to get there.

Well, thanks to give us something talk about on the show, TJ. Yeah. You know? Can't wait for Daytona this week. Appreciate it. Oh, spot on, spot off. William Byron has a four-point advantage over Jimmy Johnson for the final playoff spot. Freddie.

There's a bunch here. Spot on one for Cliff Daniels. I mean, he was the only guy that kind of sacked up and made a hell of a call there at the end and got his guy out front. And I don't think he did it with the intentions of winning the race. I mean, obviously it crosses your mind where you think, you know, maybe you saw Austin Dillon yesterday,

get out front and check out. Obviously, the four was dominant yesterday. So he was going to be hard to beat. But what he did do was probably gain. Where was Jimmy running? Six to gain three points. Yeah. So he's gaining points here.

You know, you take, the risk versus reward is maybe I get out front, maybe they get bottled up behind me. I could check out for the last 15 laps and get gone. Obviously, Jimmy's unbelievably good at Dover. But if not, you know, this is what's going to happen probably. I'm going to fall back to second or third and gain three points now. He goes in, what, five? What does a say? Four back versus seven back, which is a big difference, you know, come Sunday.

I think two things here. Jimmy made a mistake and got caught speeding. toward the end of the race and really took himself out of having an opportunity to win the race. And the Freddie's point is his crew chief kind of bailed him out and put him back in a position. I mean, we saw how hard Jimmy was driving trying to make up for it. But I just look back at Kentucky and I say, man, if Jimmy Johnson doesn't miss that race, you know, he's obviously not in this position. You know, he's definitely going to be ahead of William Byron.

He's definitely going to be ahead of Matt Debe in the Detto. Wow. Wow. I get some of that. Appreciate that kid. We're working on that. but what if that was a false positive test? Like, I mean, you can't go back and redo history,

but if Jimmy Johnson just starts that race and runs 15th, he's going to have 25 more points on what he has right now. So it's hard for me to, like, I don't know, man. It's always easy to look back and go, man, we could or would have should have, but those two things definitely were going to bury Jimmy Johnson in this thing. And yesterday, he and his crew chief bailed himself out. And to Freddie's point, I mean, I think Matt Borland hung his hat on having balls to make big calls for a very long time in this sport put Ryan Newman in a lot of positions

to win races when he hadn't been the fastest car all day or all night and that's what Cliff Daniels did yesterday so a big time big big car only the only car in the field to do it and we only had you know a few laps to run and we saw guys take two and take none throughout the weekend and and at least kind of hang on to where they were yeah so it was a big time call where was Jimmy running before that caution six okay but he reached started in the back and he was you know trying like I said him he screwed up got speeding penalty but but was one of the fastest cars behind Harvick at that point so before the last caution we all put it where was he running sixth he was he got all the way back to six

so I was running eighth and he called us and and I literally knew that if we finished top 11 thanks to our friend Bob Pockris that if I finished top 11 in stage three that I was locked into the playoff going into Daytona and wouldn't have to worry about points and so you know Jimmy catches us one. Clint's mind, he's racing Jimmy to keep Jimmy from not getting another point. And obviously, you know, to get himself to get another point. And I was like, Clint, do not get in a piss and match with this guy. It's not worth it.

We're doing what we need to do to lock ourselves in. Clint let him go. We get back after it. Then the caution came out. We actually saw several guys had loose wheels over the weekend. The 10 car had a loose wheel. The 11 car had a loose wheel. We had a loose wheel.

Thank goodness it was under caution that we caught it. Because if it had been under green, it would have put us right back. in a hole trying to go to Daytona racing. So the left front, we had to come back in under caution and put more lug nuts on it, which made us, you know, go back there and restart, you know, 16th, 18th, and that's where we ran. Let me ask you a very important question. Why were you changing the left side tires? I don't know, though.

If you had to finish 11th, you can come out of the pits second or third for 15 laps. Surely you could hold on for a top of 11th. I am, you know, hindsight's everything. It's easy to be a Monday morning quarterback. But when you look at the 21, the 24, the 48, and us, like, what do you have to lose? Throw a hell, Mary. Try to get the track position because we see how much it means. But hey, it is what it is.

It's kind of weird because we're going to Daytona out of the playoffs. But I'm only a few points out of the playoffs. So if I go back there and ride in the back for the first stage and Jimmy doesn't get max points and William doesn't get max points, it'll lock me in. You know what I'm saying? So I have to make sure that I'm ahead of 15th in points because 16th in points right now could go away if we have a winner that's in Eric Jones. Yeah, you don't want to be on the bubble.

Right. And we all know that that can happen there more so than anywhere. So I have to be more worried about staying ahead of 15th in points or as worried about that as I am, you know, the guy that's the first car out. So definitely can't go down there and race, man, and be aggressive and screw up because if you're the first car out, you know, like Chase Elliott was yesterday. If you just said Chase Elliott would be the first car out of Dover, he just said no way. Well, Clint Boyer can't do that at Daytona.

If he does that, he could potentially miss his playoff. So we have to go down there, play defense, play smart, and let the first stage shake out. Then hopefully after that point, I mean, Clint, at dinner on Saturday night, me, him and Freddie, went to eat Italian place there in Dover, and his eyes were set on getting in the top ten in points, you know, which was an achievable goal. and now that's kind of out in the picture because you've got to go play defense. I'll tell you, another thing, the 24 made a hell of a rebound from one day to the next. Saturday, yeah.

He was awful. Well, 88 had damage early in that race Saturday. But the 24 was awful on Saturday. I mean, to the point where they were fighting with each other on the radio, they said, him and Chad, they were going at it. And then he was, you know, I think he got stage points, both stages, ran up top 10, all. race. And you see the importance of stage points here because I think Jimmy was what, three or four to the good going into that race. He outruns Byron on the rate at the end of the race, but still comes out four points behind him. So, you know, that's what you're going to be looking for as

Sunday night this week is those three guys around these stages because, I mean, that's going to make or break your season. Yeah. Yeah. I'm spot on for the, this was going to happen. This was going to come about when no matter who it was. I mean, There's going to be, this scenario is going to play out. You don't know the driver's names when we go into a playoff deal. Someone's not going to make it. And we didn't know what the names were going to be all year. And this is why you race, this is why you race for every single point you can get during the year.

This is where it matters. These guys are in this situation. They're wishing they had 10 points right now. They're wishing, you know, William Byron's wishing he, you know, didn't make this mistake at one track and cost him 10 spots. or maybe wishes he held these couple guys off here and there because those two, four, six, eight points are adding up right now. And at the end of the day, at the plate race, you could literally be within 100 yards of the guy, and you're losing 15 points to him right there. Yeah, I think the bigger storyline.

I mean, it's big. You know, the obvious storyline is the one we're talking about. But the real storyline for TV, in my opinion, is this is Bubba Wallace's, Ricky Stenhouse, is Eric Jones, Michael McDowell, Corey. of joy. This is their chance to get in the playoff. And it comes down to a race that at times, we've seen it won by cars and drivers that hadn't been competitive all night because everybody else got took out. Finish first, first you must finish. To me, that's the big storyline. It's which one of those guys has the best opportunity to go capitalize on this and win the race? Because it's going to come. Yeah, we're going to have the whole conversation about somebody is out here.

Either the 24, the 21 or 48 is going to get eliminated. I think personally the 14 is safe. But one of them threes out, but somebody else brand new may get in and put two of them out. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's, I don't understand. I don't see any reason for, now I don't know what our plan is. We, you know, sometimes we have to do kind of manufacturer's orders here. But I don't see any reason for us to race at all for a long time on Saturday.

Because there's going to be a lot of guys, you talk about one, Ricky Stenhouse is probably the most aggressive. him and Joey are the two most aggressive plate races we've got right now. And he's going to be, this is his race. You know, his chance to get in. He's going to have a fast car too. Yeah. I mean, he made a comment that he thought he was going to win the race yesterday. And that's why he was pissed that Joey took him out.

I don't know what race he was. I thought he was too. I had him in DBC picks. But so you see that, like it's going to be around the stage breaks. It's going to be ultra aggressive. The end of the race, obviously, guys trying to get in position to be ultra-aggressive. like this is going to play right we talked about cori the joy you know this is going to play right into their hands to where the guys that like to Ryan Newman was another one usually likes to ride around

back there you know I feel like them guys that like to ride this this is a race that could play right into their hands see I think it's the opposite because Daytona gets real narrow it's way way more narrow than Talladega and it's hard it's hard once you get in the back and ride it's hard to get through two by two traffic man it's hard to get your way back through so I think I look for a guy like Ricky to be super progressive in the beginning and try to get control of the race early. Oh, for sure. It's nighttime, one late caution, and everything you just said is out the window.

This is at the Daytona 500 where we run it at 2 o'clock and it's 90 degrees outside. It'll be 75 degrees. It'll be dark. Thank goodness. And if we see a late race caution, it is going to be a complete three-wide, four-wide crapshoot for high remain laps. But you can't, you're not going to be able to go from, you're not going to be able to go from back and just drive around through you.

You're going to get jammed up. As soon as somebody sees you come with a run. guess what they do. Yeah, oh yeah. The point being, though, you're banking on the fact that there's not many cars to go through at that point. You know what I mean? If you wipe out, like the one year, the year we finished second in the 500, I think there was like 12 cars running at the end of that. You know what I mean?

Yeah. I think that's what you're looking at here. Potentially, you know, if you've got guys being super aggressive trying to get in these playoffs, you're going to see multiple big wrecks. I don't think you're going to see a lot of guys being aggressive. I think you're going to see a lot of guys trying to help other guys. You know what I mean? Like, we're just going to stay in line here. But there's still six or seven.

guys that are that are fast enough that are they have no shot at the playoffs that that are going to you know yeah all you know reddick um look there's 42 car there's 12 guys that are locked in to the playoff those 12 guys are either going to be aggressive and go try to win the race and get more stage points because people don't realize a lot of times if you win regular season you get 15 playoff points if you finish second you get 10 playoff points so those guys that are tight in those points right there and it goes all the way back to 10th So if you're 11th in points right now, you want to get 10th and get that playoff point. If you're 10th in points, you want to try to get the ninth or eight to get those extra playoff points.

Those 12 guys have nothing to lose. So they're going to be aggressive. You think Joy Lugano is going to go out there and be a p-a-kis like you just insinuated the most of the field is? Absolutely not. Them 12 guys are going to race hard. Now, to Freddie's point, Bubba Wallace, if he goes out there and he's aggressive and he gets wrecked, he's stupid. Because you literally gave it all away for no chance to be there at the end. Ryan Newman, same thing.

I think you got half the field aggressive. I mean, the 21, the 24 and 14. 48 can't go out there, right? They have to get max points in order to beat each other. And it only takes one mistake to tear up 15 cars at that place. So I think it's huge. We couldn't have more drama going into a final race of regular season than what we're going to have this weekend. Matt DeVendetto lost 42 points in seven races and is nine points over the playoff bubble at Daytona. Spot on, spot off Brett. Spot on. I passed him. Thank you, Matt, for a I'm in bed, bud.

I hate it for you. I got a lot of friends over there, man. I'm, thanks to the Wood Brothers. I'm even where I'm at now. Wood Brothers and L.A. Satter gave me a lot of opportunity here in this sport. Pull in for those guys, man. Would love to see him make the chase.

Obviously, Doug, a friend of Biden and Freddy's, hey, and T.J. don't like each other so much. They used to be roommates. Now they broke up. They don't even room together anymore. They got such a big quarrel. But, you know, Billy Kerrwood's on that team. Greg Irwin's dad used to drive Clint Boyer's truck

with the Five-R-R-E energy days. Like, real, small garage in a lot of situations and and uh look man pressure's on players make place me and some buddies have always said that so uh you can't you can't choke again you got it you got a man up and do your job and that's what it comes down to yeah i mean spot off you can't you can't let this happen i you know it's almost the equivalent of uh like playing pre-evant defense you know i mean in a game where you've got a big lead and you're you're just trying to hang on and they they they just haven't been aggressive you know they they gave up the opportunity to get stage

at the Daytona Road course. The first stage, they stayed out, and, you know, I think he finished 50 or six in the stage, got some points. But the second stage, he pitt with everybody else there instead of staying out like you did and gaining max points. So now those five or six points could be a big deal. You know, and then just yesterday, like we talked about at the end of that race, you know, there's your opportunity to go get, you put two tires on there.

You're coming out. I don't know where he was running, probably, you know, just outside of top 10, 15th, maybe. He puts two on there. He's going to come out probably in the top five somewhere. where I would say. And then I don't think you're going to lose 10 spots in 15 laps or whatever we had to go there. So, I mean, that's just another five or 10 points. You know, five points you're giving up.

So now you would you're, I mean, you could be sitting there. If you give up, you know, those five states points, say, at the Roval, I mean, Daytona Roval, five points yesterday. Now you're 17 to the good versus seven or nine, whatever it was. It adds up, man. Yeah, I mean, just, you know, you can't just do what everybody else does because you're, it's going to burn you. You have to have, you play to win the game.

You know what I mean? Herm Edwards there. You know, you've got to be aggressive. You've got to stay hungry and you can't just keep doing the same thing over again and hope to get better results. Yeah, you need to, you got to stay aggressive with it. You know, spot off because that's not a comfortable position to be in going into this race like that. It would be nerve-wracking.

I think you've been in that position before. Were you in it last year? I usually tried to be a nerve-wracking situation. It's kind of where my life lives. Yeah, it's not, it's high-pressure situation and definitely not much fun to be in, but you got to stay aggressive and get everything you can. Like Freddie said, you go into the pre-vent. Don't change your game plan, man.

It's working so far. Don't change it because you're just giving them an opportunity. I think we thought that Matt would probably maybe have a win by now, and he doesn't. But, T.J., as an organization, what are you guys? Have you had any conversations yet about this weekend and helping that guy? No. I mean, I'm sure that it'll be, I'm interested in seeing what the alliances do. you know we know when we get you know before what the Chevy camp has done for their guys that

look you guys are lining up with them this is our guy we're pushing him and I don't know I don't know what's what's going to happen there we got this is a harder situation because you got it's not just like it's not almost like one car you know you got manufacturers have multiple cars trying to get in you know if you I'll put you on the spot if if the decision is made that your teammates are supposed to help Matt get stage points. You know, obviously into the race, I know you guys are going to try to win the race. But if the decision is made that you guys are to help him as much as you possibly can help him, who makes that call?

Roger Penske, Cendrick, your crew chiefs, who makes that call? I'd say it probably comes from the highest up that, you know, I'd say it probably comes from that. And we've been in situations like that before, but you just try to help as much as it can. But everything I've ever been involved in was, look, help as much as you can, but, you know, don't we want you to race but don't do it so early that everyone else gets around you know if you're going to race like if i'm going to you're going to race till off a turn forward and if you can get a run make a pass and go for the win you can't can't stop a guy from going for a win i mean everybody

yes i don't know you want to win these guys are paid to win races and they all want to win because hendricks in a weird situation they got to race against one another you're not in that situation you have three cars in and a fourth car that is on the fringe you know that's what i'm This is a little bit different because you got multiple cars going for it instead of just, okay, you guys are safe, this guy, we need this guy, and you three are pushing that guy. I mean, if they tell the 88 and the 24 to help the other two guys, well, the other two guys are trying not to help each other. Yeah. Like, it's going to be a lot of drama. I know.

Last year, you know, like we've had, you know, kind of Chevrolet team orders for a little while, you know, for these, not team orders, but, you know, hey, you guys are all in the water. You're going to work together. You know, you're not going to push an oval. You're going to push a bow tie. Or, you know, or if there's an oval in there, we're going to. going to do what we can to get out of us, get out from behind us one time. And then there was an emphasis last year put on the guys in the chase. You know, we went to Taldega in the chase and, you know, it's getting up to a cutoff

race or, you know, a race before cutoff race. But there was, there was an emphasis on, you know, whoever the, you know, the 9-1, 42, whoever they were, like, hey, you know, if we can get a position to, you know, get these guys stage points, that's something we need to consider, you know. So, you know, there's obviously no exact team orders. they kind of just, hey, you know, if we can all work together, it's beneficial for everybody. But that's kind of what we were told. We are, you know, look, if you can help, let's do our best to work together and maximize what we can.

But we also want, y'all go for the win if you can at the end. But don't do it so early. In the middle of the backstretch where the others can stay lined up and blow by everybody. I'm going to tell you right now, if I have an opportunity to help somebody, it's going to be Matt Debenetto. Because I think, Debenedetto. I'm not saying I'm going to get it right every time. But, I mean, you think about this, right? If I am, hell, I don't know, Kurt Busch, right?

So Kurt Busch is locked in this playoff. If he has a chance to help Matt D get in or help Jimmy Johnson get in, which one do you want to have to race against him a playoff? I don't want to have to race against Jimmy Johnson. He'd get hot and win a couple races, and then boom, all of a sudden you're the guy out because you helped him get in. Like, this is, there's a lot of brain methods. I'll take it one further.

Help me. You push me in there. and then we'll take all three of them guys out, and that'll be, that's even, you know. Solid plan. Yeah, that's a good plan. Don't you push me. I'm done with that.

You know the last plate race you led you got pushed by us, right? I know, because I pulled up in front of you had no choice. I'm just telling you guys, like, risky boo, Freddie. Mentally, these drivers are going to have a lot of scenarios playing out in their head. And if Clint Boyer is coming up on a three-wide scenario, and it's Jimmy Johnson, William Byron, and Matt D. if I'm Clint Boyer, I'm going to push Matt D because I don't want to have to race those other two guys.

Yeah, I mean, you definitely don't want to put a seven-time champion in a playoffs. I don't know. It'd be hard. I think the 21 has more speed than the 24. But, yeah, I'm doing everything I can to keep Jimmy Johnson out. It may look like Jimmy Johnson has the plague on Saturday night. I'm serious. None of these guys may want to help him because they don't want to have to race against him.

We'll see. Spot on, spot off. The Indy 500 ends under caution. TJ? Man, that's a tough one. I think that's tradition there, but I mean, I like to see a finish. So I would have loved to seen Scott Dixon and Sato duke it out, even though we were racing at the time. But I think that would have been, man, what an exciting finish.

That would have been those two guys going for the win in the Indy 500. So heck, even the top five at that point, you know, the restart seemed to be the only time people could really get, you know, good pay. passes in and stuff. So that, that, to me, probably would have been pretty exciting. Yeah. I'm glad the guy

the wrecked was okay, though, because that was a pretty bad wreck. Man, there was a cut. There was, I don't know if you saw it. Do you see it? Yeah, I'm glad. You're talking about the one

that hit the end of the pit wall? Yeah, what's his, Spencer Piggott. Yeah, I'm glad he's okay because that was a pretty big hit. I thought, so right before we went up for the cup race,

there was the one, who was it? Was it? Was it asking you? We were watching it in the street. Remember? Yeah. pounded that inside wall on a restart.

And so after the race is over there like, oh, my God, you see that guy hit the wall? And I'm like, yeah, that was bad. That asked you kid. And they're like, oh, no, that's not the one we're talking about. And then Megan sent me a video of that kid, and I sent it to you last night, hitting that ends. I was like, oh, my God. But I was glad to see he was all right. He was on the floor.

I mean, they could have called red if they really wanted to, honestly. So that was direct at the end of the race? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I guess they had track repair to make in order to get it back going green, and they elected to ride it out under yellow. versus going red. And I think when you go back and obviously we didn't get a chance to watch it live,

which is an epic freaking fail from a TV perspective. How do you schedule three races to where they're all overlapping within the same network family? I'm not going to go there. But anyway, I guess I kind of went there. But when you go back and look at the Twitter timeline, you have a lot of NASCAR guys that were obviously there covering the Indy 500 and gals like Jennifer Friar. And they were all saying, surely we see red here. And they're, you know, saying what, tweeting what Scott Dixon is saying.

and then obviously it just goes yellow. But if you're an indie purist, I think you probably support that finish. The problem is we've changed the culture of racing. Do I want to see a bunch of green white cheggers in Indy car with double-file restarts? Hell no, those guys are already crazy enough. But a single-file restarted indie, man, I think those fans weren't at least one green-white checker attempt. Yeah, I agree. I'm spot on just for the fact that we changed so much around a sport of racing.

like we have, and this is the biggest race in the world. Bar none, I think this is the biggest race in the world. So, I mean, it's not the Indy 501. It's not the Indy 508 or whatever would have ended up being, you know, if you drag it out and run along. So it's the Indy 500. It is what it is. It's been that way a million years.

I have no issues with ending under the caution, especially if you're going to, I mean, you're going to go red and then have to fix the track for a half hour, you know, I'm good with just throwing the checker there. That's good TV, Freddie. No, it's not. Building up the drama and the suspense, man. What's going to happen on this green-white checker? The leader's touch to this third win.

I will say that Dixon made a comment as if, you know, historically they've read flagged races before, like, in a similar situation so that they chose not to. I think he made a comment like that. I don't know if it makes a difference. Look, he's biased. He wants a chance to win $9,500. If it stays yellow, he's not going to have that chance.

If it goes red, he now has a chance. Did you know that if he's leading, he's, oh, we've got to stay yellow. You're never, I mean, especially TJ, but you're leaving. You want that. It's over. Man, it tracks terrible. You're never going to hear a driver or crew chief or spot or on the radio lobbying for something that's going to help another team. You're always on there worried about yourself.

And then you're in the world of emotion. Like, there are things I say over the radio that I don't mean. But in the moment and in the emotion of it, like, you know, it happens. And the next day, people are like, oh, I can't believe you said this. I didn't even remember saying that because I'm not trying to brain track everything I'm saying. But, you know, that guy, Casey, he knows they're listening to him. He's lobbying for them to throw the red to fix the racetrack. And again, I mean, as a purist, to Freddie's point, it's the Indy 500.

But the question is, to red or not to red, and they didn't read. Remind me about radioactive in the segment at the end here. Why? Because they played your audio about five seconds earlier than it actually did. Yeah, they actually moved it, moved it, so it fit better. They should have. And did you know that the guy that wrecked was Takumasado's teammate? Yeah.

Yeah, they were teammates too. So that probably, I mean, there is no guy that's going to wreck on purpose in Indian. There is nobody that's going to do that. You know, one cool thing about it was, I don't know if he saw this or not, but Brett Wince was spotting for Sato. Yeah. And that was actually, that was the car that, if you remember, Brad, Campbell passed away about a month to go now. That was supposed to be the car he was doing.

Brent was filling in for Brad last minute, so it's a really cool deal there. I had a bunch of guys, you know, a bunch of buddies short track spotters. Brent's been a race for a long time. Brent's awesome guy. Follow him on Twitter. He's got about 7,000 old t-shirts and hats you'll sell you. Yeah. But yeah, he's an awesome guy.

And it's an awesome story for the Campbell family there, you know, for their, Brad's car to win. It always seems like that kind of happens like that. Like, you know, we got a guy that comes to. back, what's the guy that GMS now that comes back in spots like three cup races a year. Barnel? Yeah, he comes back last year, does like two races year, wins Daytona from, you know what I mean? Just like the one-off thing. But yeah, I'm glad for Brent to get that win.

I mean, imagine going there in a one-off, like, I think he's doing two races for him. Yeah. Imagine going there and just working out. They just see that they let their guys go into victory lane take a picture with the winner? Yeah. What a great thought. What a great idea. They do that?

He wasn't wearing a mask either for a part of the time. Oh. What a great idea. Take his win away. There were more people in Victorillon at Dover with Harvick yesterday than there were his crew members. Who was there? Like, me or something? TV were like Cameron and then like six photographers.

But their crew, no, can't have the crew in there. Like the road crew, we fly in the same planes and stuff. Here's what I don't understand. I can go. I mean, we're freaking, I mean, I went to dinner. And there's people in there eating, but I can't go sit outside at a racetrack that holds 80,000 people. Like, I mean, the Gamecocks, they're getting ready to play football.

SEC, power, more power to you, go Cox. The place holds 88,000. We're going to sell 20,000 tickets. It's going to look empty. But there's room to spread out and watch a sporting event outside and to have the energy and synergy around it. And look, I know a lot of this is state-driven. I know if NASCAR had their choice and they wanted fans back,

we'd have fans back. But we look at Richmond and we look at Dover and we look at Michigan and this political agenda that they're driving. I'm telling you right now, there's no reason we should ever run a race with no fans in the stands. I'm sorry. I don't believe it.

Anyway, at least we're selling tickets again to Xfinity races and Cup races and fans are getting to come. Buy the tickets, people. We need you. We're slowly getting back to, you know, we're figuring things out, how to make things, you know,

within protocol, and we're slowly figuring things out. But if we can have 20,000 at Bristol, TJ, why are we having zero at Richmond? That's my point. Yeah, I mean, just, I mean, different states. It's state.

I realize that, but what is the point? I just seen they announce today, no fans for, they've changed no fans for the Kentucky Derby. They were supposed to have fans there, and they just changed that idea. Plug it. Yeah. Yeah. That's like a big fraternity party. That's another bucket list thing I want to do someday.

Racing. I didn't horse racing, but it would be. You're going to spot it or you're going to jockey. He's going to jockey. You can jockey it if you lose a little weight. I did. I did. I did.

I did. I did. I did. It'd be to blocking this horse ever. You and chat. That'd be Doug now. Doug's joined the club, by the way. We rode him so hard yesterday.

We lost seven horses to front ACL injuries as a result of T.J. Majors jockeying. I'd be a hell. I'd be better than you. Have you ever ridden a horse? One time, I didn't like it. I didn't have ridden a horse. I really don't. I see too many videos on YouTube of guys getting kicked off and stuff, so I'll pass.

Yeah. My brother's on horses. But I'm not. It makes your groin really sore because you're like clamping your knees toward the horse. Poor horse. Like I'm holding on as hard as I can't push it my knees together. The next day I woke up, I was like, I can't move. Knowing that that thing could just whip you off whenever it wanted to.

Yeah. Could you? Yeah. Horses are beautiful. I don't think I need to be on a horse. I'm just going to go ahead and say that. I'd like to see you on a horse walking the Grand Canyon right there at the edge. They got a double horse.

Can I get on? You've seen them Grand Canyon where people get them horses and they go down in the, like, that would be all. awesome to see your big ass on a horse going down to the Grand Canyon. Freddy got on a horse one time. That's how they made camels. That would be a hell of a saddle endorsement. Freddie would get a full-blown saddle endorsement.

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Yeah, I mean, obviously the teams want it. You know, spot on from the team side of it, spot off from the fan side of it. You know, teams obviously want to save money. Less travel, less practice. Maybe no practice, no backup car, less tires. A lot of different reasons where our teams can save money here. On the fan side of it, I mean, obviously it's cheaper for a fan if you don't have to go spend a weekend there.

But I think that's kind of the whole point of it. You know what I mean? Like you go camping near these races. You want to be there for three or four days, see a lot of racing. But don't you think we could do that, Freddie, if we do trucks on Friday, Xfinity on Saturday and Cup on Sunday and still accomplish everything? And even double up some of them. Yeah. I mean, I guess.

I just, you know, I don't know. We've got four series. ARCA, trucks. Barely. Exfini Well, I mean There's three series There's three series

You know what I mean Though you could You can schedule Enough races You can make a full weekend of racing out of this still Yeah

I guess if everybody Just has a one-day show I feel like They'll do They'll just do Saturday and Sunday And double up To me

I'm I'm spot on For parts of it I think it's a good idea Because I think The races are better That way But

I think This could be A great opportunity For tracks To be creative With what else You're going to, okay, we're going to have, you know, once things are obviously back, you know, say normal again and stuff. Hey, we're going to have a concert in the infield after the race.

We're going to run the race. So we're going to have a couple concerts down here. To me, this is where, you know, promoters can get creative. Oh, by the way, we got the, you know, carnival's going to be in town as well. You know, I think you can. Well, the new track president of Nashville said that the circus is coming to town. He's got the big top ready. Well, this is.

Yeah, so the circus is already in town, T.J., that's us. I guess. We've said for years where the circus is coming to town. This is an opportunity, though, to do other things, put on other events at the same time. If we're going to talk about Adam Stern tweets, you've got to talk about the one that he sent out on August 13th, where he said... What a great day. Andrew Mernstein said that they're looking at a lot of new investors to coming in, and one of them is a celebrity. Now, are we going to say who the celebrity is rumored to be, or are we not going to say it?

You have to say it now. It's up to you. Who's Andrew Mernstein? Andrew Merenstein bought Petty. He owns Petty. He's the taxi cab guy to New York. He's the guy that you don't hear as much about. He probably hates Uber drivers.

Medallion Bank. Medallion is the deal. But there was this rumor circulating that a current cup driver was buying into Petty and that he was bringing Michael Jordan with him. And this guy tweeted it, but he wouldn't say who the celebrity was. And typically Adam will go out on a limb. Adam's kind of like the modern-day Jay Ski. He doesn't mind going out of limb and stirring up crap.

But I wonder why he wouldn't say it was my. Michael Jordan rumor to be coming. I don't know. Scared. Why, he scared? Because Freddy, I'll play basketball against him. If you're scared, I think I could take him. That is the best documentary I think I've ever seen.

That last dance. It's pretty good. Yeah. It's awesome. I wish there wasn't quite as much cussing in it because I really want Bodey to watch it. Well, you can get a, there's a cleaner in front of Bodey. Well, I don't cuss in that. There's a TV version.

ESPN covers it. I don't talk about cocaine and strippers. My favorite part of that movie. It was when I asked them, you know, if I told you, say X again? Yeah, always. That's all I ever say. 39 years, the 38 years, whatever it is. But when he said something about, like, if I told you that if you had a headache

and I told you nine of these pills would fix it, but one of them would kill you, you know, would you take it? He said, well, it depends on how bad the headache is. Yeah, I just need a, I need a clean version to show, Bodie. There is a clean version. I mean, it's just, like, muted. Well, like, anytime Dennis Rodman comes on the screen, it's like, change the channel. Just change channel.

You can't let this guy talk. You know? No, but when it was on ESPN, originally, like, ESPN was, I think, the explicit version. Then, like, ESPN2 was a clean version at the same time. Right, right. There's got to be a film of it. Okay, well, I'm on that. What were we talking about here?

Well, we were talking about. Michael Jordan. I mean, spot on. Keep reporting. Yeah. One day shows are a good thing in certain situations. I don't know that they're the fix-all for everything, but condensed schedules to me means a lot of opportunity to put races on the racetrack.

And, man, if you're a fan and you had the opportunity to go to Dover, and I'm sorry, y'all couldn't, what more would you want for three days? Oh, God, I mean, that's what I'm saying. So if that's the way we're going to do it, yeah. Dover was a great weekend. If that's the way we're going to do it with double-headers and one-day shows, hey, let's do it. I think your perfect schedule is, you know, run Saturday, both Exfinding and truck,

and then Sunday Cup and this way you're not there Thursday on but you know you're getting a lot of racing for you know get their Friday Hank set up your camper you know and start we can do so much more this year than you know Jonathan Gibson is a guy that worked at Penske Racing

here Penske South I think is what they called it for years and when Roger went and bought Indy he moved he moved Jonathan and his family to Indianapolis and I text Jonathan over the weekend I watched these IndyCar drivers going up to people's houses and knocking on their front doors. And I literally got almost broke up about it because I was like, man, imagine being a ticket holder. Imagine living around the Indianapolis area.

And the day before the biggest race of their careers, the biggest race of the year, they got these guys knocking on doors and sitting on their front porches. What a freaking genius PR move. I text Jonathan about that. And I was like, man, I just want you to know this is freaking awesome. And when I look at us, Freddie, and I go, one day show, one day show, hey on Saturday, do what TJ said, have a concert, bring the drivers up there. Like, there are ways to make this entertaining and still save the team owner's money.

I think what we get sick and tired of hearing sometimes, talking to my good friend Mike Herman about it is save money, save money, save money. Because what these owners do is they save money over here and then they go spend it somewhere else because they're still going to try to make the cars go as fast as they can go. So if they're not spending it on hotel rooms, they're spending it on engineering. You know, the Rick Wairs of the world? Absolutely not. Those guys are budget racing.

They're business racing. They're not racing to win. But when you look at the spires of the world and the Rick Wares of the world, they want to save money. Don't listen to those guys. You've got to listen to the big players. And hopefully there's an answer here that makes everybody happy. But I think that we can do one-day shows all day long and still have a hell of a lot of racing to watch the racetrack.

I miss an event you probably went to as a kid. The preview. Oh, yeah. I missed that event, man. I had to work it. I wasn't always a kid. We'd have to go up there and it was awesome. That's what I'm saying.

I went, I went like twice. I went there with Dell Jr. just to see what it was like. Dude, what a cool event, man. Unreal. Yeah, and I think moving it from a local area here, I mean, I think it could have been, I think a Charlotte deal would have been awesome somewhere in Charlotte for it, you know. You got a barker.

Oh, careful. You're the baby. The thing is. though we talk about this all time here on 2 tj the preview wasn't an ascar thing now the preview was a winston thing once again their sponsor is taking their brand and their drivers to the marketplace and oh by the way they rented out lawrence joel veteran coliseum or whatever it's called this was a gigantic venue they filled it slam full freddie it was before your time but man every single cup driver had to go every single cup driver had a section it started at eight in the morning it

went to like six at night it was an all-day freaking badass uh fan event. So we have the ability, especially the place like Dover, if you're only going to go once, to make a really big splash when you go. The promoters have got to get off their butts, and we've got to do a good job to make it exciting. I will say that some tracks, I mean, at least a few years ago, it was completely different, but like Tal'Daga, if you think about what they do, I mean, they're... Similar to that. They put the drivers up there. The fans get to see their heroes, you know, their stars. These are the stars, man. As a kid, I went to Watkins Glen in 1990. And man, even standing on the fence, watching the driver, you can see the driver wall

from the car to the garage. You were 150 yards away, be like, holy cow, man. That's my, that's my favorite driver right there. Yeah. You know, these kids want to see their drivers and to do things like, you know, put them out there at Talladega, let him go out there and throw some t-shirts out or waved, you know, you know, Clint waving to him. Remember the speed stage? The speed stage, how crowded that would get? Yeah. Like, imagine some little Clint boy. for that, Casey. All the sponsors, all the sponsors were paying for it. So, yeah. I just think, you know, it'd mean a lot to be able to create some events like that where, you know, just people want to see these guys and wave to them. They just want to wave, man. I mean, we got greedy, man. The fans used to be

able to go to Speed Street. I had a booth that I set up for City Financial back then, and we would give out T-shirts in exchange for your information to get a lead on a loan. And that space was free, you know and now you now they want to charge you arm and a leg when they do those kind of events and it just takes away from it if you're a cup series primary sponsor you're spending a lot of money and you should have the ability to activate at the racetrack without having to go spend a lot of money again everybody's got their hand out we got to stop that crap we got to be true partners brad caslowski said it about a decade ago it's really hard because we all compete against each other the driver is competing with his own team a lot of times because the driver wants to

endorsement. Well, if he goes out, gets an endorsement, it blocks that category from the team being able to bring in a sponsor in that same category. You know, so when you look at it like that, and then NASCAR competes with us, TV compete, did you know TV competes with us? NASCAR competes with TV? Like, it is a complete, it's very convoluted. We need more partnership out here. Eldora Speedway has unfollowed all corporate NASCAR accounts on Twitter, spot on, spot off, Brett. Oh, you know, when you see this, you say what does that mean and I think it's foreshadowing I think it's it's clear that they're in a negotiation for the future of Eldora speedway and holding NASCAR races and it's obviously not going well you know we we've got three tracks T.J that are in jeopardy right now Iowa Chicago land and Jason found the statistic that Eldora is no longer following any NASCAR accounts. They follow some drivers just not any NASCAR accounts that's NASCAR drivers that's NASCAR driver accounts if they're not following the Xfinity series if they're

they're not following the truck series, if they're not following NASCAR, that tells us that maybe these negotiations aren't going very positive. And I look at Eldora as one of my favorite truck races of the year to watch. No matter where I'm at or what I'm doing on that Tuesday, Wednesday night, I'm going to watch practice. I'm going to watch them qualify. I'm going to watch them qualify. I'm going to watch them race. And I would hate to see that fall off the schedule. Yeah, I agree. I would love to see some more series go to Iowa as well. I'd love to see all the series go there. That's a great racetrack.

I'd love to watch a cup race there when it's nice and hot, and they can slide around and move to the top. But I would also, I'm going to be highly entertained. We go to Eldora and run there, whatever series it is. I'm glued to the TV. I would love to watch an Xfinny race there as well. I think that'd be highly entertaining. Yeah, I hope this isn't foreshadowing.

I hope things can get worked out because I've enjoyed. the truck race is there. I've enjoyed the dirt ringers getting in trucks and making names. You know, TV always has something to talk about because you got this dirt late model guy coming in there. You know, look at you won that race. Were you spotting for above of that race? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, but it's fun.

I mean, it's a prestigious race. I mean, it's a prestigious race. And that's what you want. That's what I was getting ready to say. Like, you know, we talk about Cupside Crown Jewel events. You know, you got Daytona, Southern 500, Coke 600, Brickyard. This is a crown jewel event, I feel like, for the truck series. You know what I mean?

And it's something different, you know what I mean? And the longer they did it, the better they got out of it. You know, we had the first couple of years where it was, you know, kind of locked down. Luckily for us, you know, we went in there. It was locked down the top. So we had a good truck. We blocked the top and we held off Kyle Larson. And but it was locked down as one lane.

The same thing with the first year. It's kind of one lane. But now you've seen this as we go. Tony and his group over there have gotten way better at getting the track. ready to where now you guys guys can run everywhere there was all kind of lanes there was comers and go or steward freezing could come in with a flat tire a couple years ago and charge back to the front um so you know the obviously the racing was getting better so you'd hate to see it you know you'd like to see that trend continue and then just keep getting better you know with the prep prayer

and the track and stuff but you know like you said this isn't obviously a good sign for when they when they just cut ties of naskar is there a bigger problem is a question for me because we look at a lot of these places without the Cup Series going, and it's like they can't afford to keep the other series coming there. And when we've seen it for years, man, I mean, you look at all the places where the Bush Series used to race right around here. They raced at Hickory, they raced at South Boston, they raced at Myrtle Beach,

and now they don't race in any of those places. The trucks used to grow. I mean, that was grassroots short track racing. And it's like if you don't have a, if you're a track and you don't have a cup date, you can't afford to put the event on. Yeah, I mean, you see that this year? I mean, just look at all the non-companions are gone this year. You know, the only ones that stayed on the schedule were ones that ended up having an indie companion also.

You know, Road America, the Xfinity cars went there because Indy was there. You know, trucks are going to gateway this week because Indy's there. You know, everything else got canceled. Mid-Ohio's gone. Iowa races are gone. You know, so obviously to back up your point there, they can't survive without fans, for one, obviously, and without these cup days just makes it that much harder. Time to hit the gas and take our expedite speed from the track to the studio.

Let's jump into our weekly fast lane segment where we'll ask 10 questions and time each person to see who can answer the fastest and how many they can get right. Did you see it last week? I beat TJ 2 to 1. That's ass kicking. Freddie, your first stuff this week. Greg, yeah. Where did Bubba Wallace start Saturday's cup race? 24th. True or false, all current playoff drivers placed ahead of Bubba Wallace on Sunday?

False. Which organization had all of its cars finished best on Sunday? Uh, Hendrick. Which position did Chase Briscoe start and finish Saturday's Xenget Series race? No idea. How many games did Sackwan Barclay gain 100 or more yards from scrimmage during his rookie season in 2018? Uh, 15. He had no idea anyway.

Julius Caesar was the emperor of which empire? Rome. I'm going to give it to you. Yeah, I'd say Rome, right? Whoa. A story conveying a moral lesson is called what? I don't know. What planet is nicknamed the Red Planet?

Mars. The largest number that can be pronounced with a single syllable is. Ten. Name one of two active cup drivers with the most of the most. wins at Zitono. Jimmy Johnson. Four out of ten. So Freddie, the team that had all of its cars placed best on Sunday with Team Penske.

Oh, I didn't understand. What do you mean, team placed best? Like they had all their cars finish highest, like every single car. Chase Briscoe finished and started 10th on Saturday. All right, Brett, ready? How many stage points did Clint earn on Saturday? Total. Oh, 16.

Did Clint finish better or worse than where he started Sunday's race? Worse. Which driver in the top five finished in the same spot in both races? Oh, I don't know. How many 20 series wins does Chase Briscoe now have in 2020? Which South Carolina quarterback holds the record for the most passing yards? Steve Taneyhill. It's Todd Ellis, I think.

What are the first 10 amendments to the Constitution? called. The what? Ten amendments. Ten amendments to the Constitution. It's the Constitution of the United States. Bill of Rights. Thank you. I'll take it. The person in a novel who tells the story from a third person perspective is called a what? Narrator.

Which continent is the largest desert in the world located on? I don't know. Wherever them people ride them camels at. Camel riding desert. The Sahara Desert. Earth is little. located in what galaxy? Mine.

What is the last year a cup, Daytona race finished in its scheduled distance? 2020. So Brett only got three right. That means Freddie's still the leader in the clubhouse. I get one free one because they give each other one. Each. I didn't get credit for that one.

Yeah, he did. Yeah. I'll take it. Yeah. So Freddie really has three, though. Nope, I got four. TJ. Ready?

Yep. Which stage did Joey Legano finish best in on Saturday? Two. How many laps did Joey Lugano lead on Sunday? 12. Which cup team had three drivers finished consecutively on Saturday? Hendrick. I'm way off.

Where did Justin Allgaier win last before his Xenny series victory at Dover? Yeah, Phoenix. Who was the first Buffalo bill elected into the first. an NFL Hall of Fame. Bruce Smith? The ancient Egyptian writing system was called what? Hieroglyphics.

What is the term for a word that has the opposite meaning of another word? Contrast? It's a deal. What species can live on both water and land? Mammals? How many consecutive different winners has the summer Daytona race

had? Five. All right, Freddie, you are the champion once again. T.J. Gods. Two out of ten. Freddie, what are you winning? O.J.? Yeah.

Congratulations, Freddie. Back-to-back victories. What are the answers, Jason? So, Lugano finished best in stage one on Saturday. Joey led 15 laps on Sunday. Three off. JGR had three consecutive finishers on Saturday. Hendrik had three on Sunday, but that was the trick part of that.

We already got O.J. Simpson. Amphibians can live on both water and lands. And then there's been 10 consecutive summer race winners at Daytona. No, 10 consecutive different race winners. Yeah. All right. Jeez. Okay.

That was fun. We're always thinking fast on door bumper clear. And so was Chase Elliott because he had this week's Xfinity fastest lap Saturday at Dover. You know something else is fast? X-FINITY X-Fi. Oh, man, it's more than speed, too. It's reliable. It's secure.

So you're safe and connected throughout your entire home. Speaking of Xfinity, follow Xfinity Racing on Twitter and stay connected with exclusive behind-the-scenes NASCAR content. Shout out to Xfinity, premier partner of NASCAR and our podcast. Ask DBC. Send in your questions 24-7 on Twitter using the hashtag AskDBC. This first question is from For Louis Clark. Should NASCAR talk with Ryan Priest for almost pulling off a Quinn Huff? move right in front of Jimmy on Saturday.

How about you, T.J.? I mean, Ryan Priest knows what he's doing, but you... Sure. I thought so. I don't know what the circumstances, but you just got to be careful with moves like that, man. You can, you come down. Somebody's underneath you. I've seen, you know, Harvard Clip Del Jr. Long time ago at California trying to get to pit road like that.

And there's a big risk when you make a move like that. You know, thankfully nothing happened. I mean, you've got to be really careful with that type of stuff. Yeah, I think it was similar to the Quinn Huff situation where he got a late pit call. You know what I mean? Like it was, I think there was maybe some kind of traffic on the radio where the crew chief was maybe trying to get him in and, you know, spotter might have been spotting or something like that. But, you know, you get a late pit call.

But still Ryan's got to know, man, I can't come from, you know, he's off. He's a lane off the bottom. and the 48th's hauling ass on the very bottom. I think he's more than a lane. Yeah, I mean, at least Elaine. And he comes down. I mean, if Jimmy would have hit him, that would have been real ugly for both of them. You know what I mean?

Yeah. I mean, at that point, Jimmy's back on the throttle wide open right there, and Ryan's trying to stop at the same time. That had been driver door to him too. Oh, man. It would have been, it would have been ugly. But luckily, they got away with it this time and just, you know, just like we talk about, you know, awareness or what's going on around you, you just got to, you know, just be more aware. When Quinn shot down there was going to pit on Saturday, I told Joe I had, I had visions

of him flipping like he did a long time ago if we, you know, would have hit him like, that would have been a bad wreck. Yeah. And like in Quinn's wreck, it, where was that, Kansas? Like the speeds. Texas, wherever it was. The, the speed difference was not as great as it would have been if Jimmy hit Ryan on Saturday or Sunday, whatever day it was.

because you know you're still running the same speed and Quinn's just trying to get to the bottom and he turns down at Dover without stopping. Yeah like Ryan was trying to stop at that moment and Jimmy's hauling ass. So just just lucky they missed each other. Yeah, this is an awareness issue between one or all three people, the crew chief, the spotter and the driver. You know, Johnny called, told me to tell Clint to Pitt and at that point we were so close to entry of three. I was afraid we'd get run over from behind or we wouldn't even make it because that's a hard place to pit anyway. So I said, Johnny, we got to run another lap. And I made that decision.

So I think when you look at, I don't know what happened here. But if the crew chief said to pit, Ryan should have said I can't. If crew chief told a spotter to pit, spotter should have said I can't. Instead, they look like a bunch of idiots. And thankfully, there was no wreck. Next question is from E-Brill WX. This was the last scheduled double header. Should there be more of them in the future? And if so, are there any changes you want to make? right I love these doubleheaders at some of these places you know I mean and you look at Michigan you look at Pocono you look at Dover like I think all three of those went off very very well and I mean I want to still go to those racetracks but I don't want us to have to go twice

so to go once and knock out both both races at one time awesome man I'm all for it it's also a lot of fun to me to watch them on TV watch the trucks run I learn a lot there watch Exfitting cars run learn a lot there and then come in and apply it. on Sunday. Yeah, I mean, I'm sure you don't mind them because you did two races out of the five, this or six this weekend. Yeah, I mean, I think the cup doubleheaders are great. You know, I think the idea behind it's great.

I think, you know, like you said, some of these places like Pocono where, you know, we get a lot of weather. You probably just want to try and knock that out one weekend. So, but, who, that was a, that was a long weekend. Double header, double header, expedited, double header cup, truck. I think Cup, Sunday is for Cup cars, in my opinion. Sunday is race day for the Cup cars. I don't mind running an Xfini race

and if we're running a doubleheader cup I don't mind running them both on Saturday but man once we get fans back we need that Sunday for you know I want to see the fans walk around the garage again I want to see that stuff

the anticipation the build up to the race you know all that you know what the atmosphere is like in the morning in there it just kind of builds man you know and the guys pushing the cars through tech last you know adjustments getting them on the line. The cars are all lined up on the line. The pressure's building, the anticipation's building. And it's just, to me, that makes for a good race day.

This next one is from the Racing Line 77. After the Tony Stewart and Kyle Larson article, do you guys think NASCAR will reinstate Larson? And do you think top team owners are interested in him given his dirt domination? Are there any sponsors willing to take a chance on them? Yes, yes and yes. I'm interested. here's my question I asked Brett this the other night like at what point so obviously the draw is

he's going to make much more money driving a cup car than he will running the world of outlaw stuff or any sprint car I asked Brett the other night I said where does the where does the value in Kyle Larson come to for the world outlaws

to say hey you know we need this guy now maybe you know how can we figure out a way to keep him versus letting him go away to make millions of dollars in the Cup series. Like, where does that value land with Kyle Larson? I don't... I was going to say, I don't know that, I mean,

he's dominating World of Outlaws, so almost the competitors are probably... I'm sure the guys don't want. I'm sure the drivers don't warm around, but I'm talking about the... I watch a World of Outlaw video almost every morning now because it's some crazy move Kyle Arson made. And that, the value in that for World Outlaws is ridiculous. So how can you let this guy get away? I'll tell you how you that.

get away. The cup owners have a lot of money. I mean, when you look at what Kyle Larson has been through, and let's go through the whole year, he's in that 42 car. He's winning races. He's making playoffs, and they bring in a stud to take his place, and it's all he can do to finish on the lead lap. How good is Kyle Larson in a cup car? I think you got your answer. Let's look at the dirt stuff. He goes off and wins everything he gets in. And, I mean, we talked about it. I don't know if we talked about it on here, but Freddie and I said, you got to go run against the best, and he's doing it. Then we're going to, world of outlaws. He's not doing it at some podunk track in the middle of nowhere in America.

He is racing against guys who do this for a living, grown men that have done this their whole lives. It's all they've ever done. And he shows up and he's spanking them. He's passing them going through the infield. I mean, some of these highlights are unreal. He won a race yesterday in a car that he normally doesn't even in a wingless sprint car at a big mile track, I believe. Yeah. So he doesn't even normally drive them cars. Just buckle in and win. That's like the new Kyle Larson saying. He started in the back too, I think. He started the back and still won the range. I promise you the smart cup owners want a chance to hire Kyle Larson. What has to happen is they got to get the manufacturer on board with it. And there are at least

two top teams talking to this guy. Yeah, he will be back in the cup series, I firmly believe. And I think he's taken all the, I think Kyle's taking all the right steps to, you know, correct himself. and I mean I definitely think you'll see him back in the cup series he's just too talented to not be in the cup series he's one of the best race car drivers in the world and if he if and when he comes back he comes back hungrier than probably anybody's ever been getting back in a cup series you know and he's he's not far off of in the right equipment he's not far off of him to me a Kyle Bush comparison I know he doesn't have the championship stuff but to go and Kyle's one of the guys that I think could go and run a Formula One car and be competitive in it. Bush. I think Kyle Larson is showing that he can go on other forms. I mean, he's wearing these people out. Whatever he gets in.

Chili Bowl, World of Outlaws. These World of Outlaw guys are good, man. And he's winning World of Outlaws. I mean, how many has he won since he's been on the break? Five, six or something like that? He's got like, I think I've seen something stupid, like 30-something wins, 36 wins. But I'm saying, like, just this year he's got like five or six.

There's guys that don't win, you know, five or six races in two, seasons and then run top five in the points. You know, you got guys that, you know, like Logan Chewhart, he wins like four race, four feature races a year, right? Five. Yeah, I don't know. Something like that. But, I mean, Larson's won that in a month.

So. So, obviously, I think the big rumor is that everybody in the world seems to think he's going in the 14 car. And without saying what you think exactly he's doing, do you think he goes in the 14 car? Because I don't, I don't think he goes somewhere else. I don't think he goes in the 14 car. car but i could be wrong yeah i mean i obviously could be wrong that's just that's a 100% guess not really based on much rumor or fact or anything i just i just see him landing somewhere else i mean i

see all the people tweeting and non-stop and you know some of them tag clint when they tweet because these guys are keyboard tough guys i think it's funny um but but i i truly don't think he goes in the 14 car last time we talked about kyle larsson yeah you probably don't you probably need to sit this one out some guy i asked i asked you a question i asked you a question didn't even say any names and i had i got some big old rumor put out of that you knew what you were trying to insinuate. And if you had fully insinuated it, you would have really got your ass in a frying pan. You made a mistake. You made a mistake with what you insinuated by referencing the wrong number of cars in the stable on the team.

If you hadn't a screwed up, you'd have really got your button to fire a frying pan. I can promise you, Tony Stewart would like to hire Carl Larson. And I think that's why you see that rumor out there. As would I think every owner in the garage, if you want to go win. I mean, this guy has, I mean, we've asked this question on the show. has the crime that he's done, the time he's done fit the crime. And we all agreed, yes. And T.J.'s point, he finally gave an interview with Jenna Fryer and talked about it.

And people like, oh, it gives interviews all the time at the racetrack. That's not the same thing, people. He finally sat down and talked about everything that's going on, everything that he's done. I was impressed with it. I think he's grown. I do, too. I think he's grown. Which I'm glad.

I mean, I'm glad he has. If you haven't read the article, go read it, form your own opinion. Don't just listen to mine. But if I owned a cup car and I could get a sponsor to say yes, he is the number one guy in the entire series I'm going to hire. Would I hire Kevin Harvick over him? No. Kevin Harvick's 40 plus years old.

Kyle Larson could be here for 15 more years. He is the best hire you can make right now at the right price. Yeah. That's key too. You won't have to pay him what you're going to have to pay some of these other guys. Imagine what Kyle Bush makes right now. Yeah. I bet it's.

Three to four to five times more than you can get Kyle Larson for. Value-wise, it's not a better guy to go get. All right, well, anything we're going to rant about? I mean, the review act. I just want them to line this stuff up. What do you mean? I can't believe you just told you got to go in there and whack us both. You know, Brett, I don't watch it that much.

I don't ever watch it. Well, Brett told me one time, made a comment a month or two ago saying they move clips around, they move sound bites around, so they line up to make it more controversial when you're watching it, Like you're, you know, which is... I don't think they do that. I think that's what you said. So last week they...

I haven't even watched it yet. I just got a... I just got a... I haven't sent me a screenshot. Yeah. So, and that's like... You know, that's not something. Like, you never... Basically what happened was, T.J. told his guy to go in there and wreck both of us, and they called it on video.

According to Radioactive, that's what happened. If radioactive is right, I was calling that, but way before it ever happened. Which isn't true. I mean, you... Yeah, sure it isn't. Once I saw the 43 start to slide and spin, that's when you're like, you know, okay, we say, Alev, get them both, you know, if you can't. I mean, you're one guy sliding, so you're probably going to get him.

That's not what Joy told Bubba. That's, uh... Get them both. Yeah. I mean, you're not going into the corner like, hey, go wreck them both. I can't believe you said that. You did that. That's what I sat out of four at Dover, too.

I was like, just hook him. Hook him. But there has been clips, there has been clips, though, which have lined up, like, at Talladega, there was a one of the spotters told the other guy told his driver to hook him coming to the start finish line oh yeah I mean they literally were but I don't you'll never I will never tell my driver to go and just wreck somebody which I don't think I don't know if any of you guys will I could see Brett doing it if he gets mad enough but the drivers are going to make the decisions on that stuff we're not driving the cars they're going to make the decisions on that stuff you

won't I won't personally tell him to go wreck anyway Just get them both. Better be glad it's not up to me when people get wrecked. That's what I'm saying. It'd be a hell of a lot more wrecks. I told him at dinner the night. I would literally train all week to fight. That's all I'd train for because that's what it would end up happening.

These people, I mean, like, if I'm, if I'm Lagano right there, I'm going to tell you right now, I text him, hey, buddy, buckle up tight. Next time I see you. Ricky Rudd was my favorite driver in the Cup series because he took no crap. Like, that's the way it needs to be. Quit all this buddy-buddy crap. We're right This is all until Clint messes up

And then he looks like Clint's the work Clint is one of the worst At the buddy buddy crap He don't want to make nobody mad He doesn't want to buy retaliating against him Your guy's the exact opposite He wrecks everybody in the field

And nobody ever wrecks him back Now they swing at him a lot He admitted that on the show He's been swung at a lot He said nobody's ever hit him Nobody's connected But he swung at Ricky swung a few times

Ricky rode on mine He'll swing at you Yeah, Ricky, some of the best post-race videos are Ricky and Biffel and Harvick back in there. I don't care who I make, man. Zero cares. I wouldn't be messing with Ricky Rudd. That videos, when him and Harvick are going out, he gets out of the car and he's sitting on the door and looking at him. Like, that's a guy that's going to really whoop your ass.

Yeah, I'm not. Is that the one where the guy jumped on the hood? He's in the woodbrother's called. Big Mike. Yeah. Was that guy? Yeah. There's a, yeah.

See, Harvick was at RCR where all them guys would fight four. him back then you know you look at them like Mike and all them guys love to fight oh Thomas and big Mike oh absolutely love to fight big Mike was a jackman at the time too um I think he was jack man back then yeah they loved to fight yeah yeah and it was entertaining after the race I mean yeah there for a while biffle and harrick and and uh they had some good some good run-ins man you think joy could beat up rickie oh man Ricky trains a lot I mean Ricky I don't know there's not many of these guys that I would like to see fight each other honestly we saw I love see them all fight I know that usually they're let them wear a head rest or something that way or

head head head what's that little what's that little like rugby helmet let them wear a rugby helmet well they got that that sparring gear or whatever you could just put them in that let them go I mean I'm all for it just put them in a big freaking sumo suits and let them have at it they can't hurt each other that would be great oh man TJ up I'm pulling for you this week I've had a BBC picks Has a BBC picks go anybody? Anybody know? Yeah

I Congratulations Freddy You swept BBC picks at Dover Now you're tied with Brett for the lead Nine-nine to seven TJ's two-nine I should not have won yesterday Chris Rubell has let me down on Saturday man

I thought he'd be way better than what he was So now we have our last pick Of the crop of drivers you have Before it resets for the playoffs At Daytona Brett, didn't you already say who you're taking? I get to go first. No.

I don't think. I have a few people to pick from here. Ryan Preece, who, no, I'm sorry. That guy wrecks a lot for whatever reason. He's going to go with you. Ty Dillon, who, ah. He better not. He's going Bubba.

I ain't feeling him. So then it comes down to Michael McDowell, who has been known to squeak one out. And it comes down to Bubba Wallace, who has a lot going on right now. Quinn Huff is not on my radar. I wouldn't pick Bubba. I wouldn't pick Bubba with me tied with you for the lead here. Freddie, are you going to suck this week or not?

If you pick me, I am. I think that Bubba Wallace can outrun Ricky Stenhouse because Ricky's going to crash. And then I think that Freddie's probably going to go with Matt Kenseth. So I'm going to go with Bubba Wallace. Dumb. That's dumb.

I mean, I've already made it. my pick last week. We've got to run around. You've got to finish right behind these two guys. That's all you do. There's some guys on this list that have to win. And, you know, I've got a, Ricky's got that Daytona car.

It hasn't been wrecked yet. So it knocked the hood of it off, but they fixed that and it was fast at Talladega. So I got to go with, you know, like he said, cool track. Ricky's fast. So I got to go with Ricky. He's going to be aggressive.

He knows he's got to win. So guys like that can be, dangerously quick and he's won races in these scenarios before. He's won races there. So he's also mounted the field, but I mean, I got to go with Ricky. There's obviously a couple guys I could pick from here. But a lot of times you pick these plate races, you're picking in our world, you're picking spotters almost as much as you're picking drivers here.

So you're not going with Kenseth. No, let's skip Kansas. I'm going to take Busher. Herm and Stanhouse had a lot of success in that 17 car. And Bushers have been in the top 10. I think every plate race this year. I cannot believe you just threw your buddy Tony Raines under the bus like that. TJ, can you believe that?

Hey, I didn't say I'm just taking Herm over Raines. Rains is second best on the list right here, but I'm just going to take Herm over Rains because I like Herm. I've known Herm longer, I think is what the main deal is here. A lot of guys are racing for a lot of things. You know, well, Joy said he's leaving his car. at the end of the year. That vacates a spot.

A lot of rumors around who that's going to be. A lot of rumors about guys that aren't in Cup right now coming to Cup. Justin Haley, Daniel Hemrick, Kaz Graala. If those three guys come, it puts three Cup guys out, right? So it's a lot's on the line for a lot of people right now. I mean, you look at the playoff picture, super important. But you also got to look at these people's futures, man. Just because you're a cup driver today doesn't mean you'll be one tomorrow.

Yeah, I mean, you, like you talked about, that 32 car. Corey, I mean, they basically put right in their release when Corey left. Corey right now doesn't have a ride, I don't think. But there's somebody coming to that 32 car that's bringing a little bit of funding. And that's what's kind of booting Corey out of the seat. We've heard that Casgrawal name thrown out. We've heard Ryan Priest's name thrown around that ride a little bit. So, you know, this is just that.

Corrie's, you know, automatically you see that headline. You think, oh, wow, Corey's got something. But in fact, it's just Corey knows he's getting replaced. so now he's kind of jumping ahead of the curve here and trying to get in something. And I think Corey is going to get in something better. I think he's improved that 32 car a lot this year. I've looked at a statier a day, and it's three or four positions better average finish than when Matt ran it. And believe it or not, it doesn't sound like a lot, but that's hard to do to go from a 26th, 27th place car to a 23rd place car.

So, you know, it doesn't sound like much, but to a guy like Archie and that's a big deal. And I think Corey's turned some heads and maybe some of the social socials. stuff he's done, you know, puts people off a little bit, but, you know, he's a good kid. I hope he gets a good shot. I mean, it's just like Bubba. Like Bubba's sitting here potentially on a lot of funding. And for Bubba to go from where he was last year to where he is this year with Jerry Baxter and you guys, like y'all made a lot of gains.

Yeah, you struggled at Dover, but there are places, man, where you've run very well. I mean, even like the Roval. If you said that Bubba Wallace will be running in the top eight or nine coming to the end of the race, I'd have said you're crazy. Like, I think that speaks to what? you guys have done for jumping. But to him to have the funding coming in that it appears he has, I mean, we've already seen DoorDash get announced.

We've seen the Columbia piece get announced. Like, you know, those dollars have to turn into results for Bubba Wallace, period. And I think the same thing is in place for Corey. I talked to him. Look, he's got some money with him. He's looking for a better scenario to go compete in the top 15. And that's all you can ask for. Right around 25th for these guys can't be fun.

Well, thank you guys so much for listening. as always, and don't forget to share the link, send us tons of comments, and let us know what you think. I looked out of my phone yesterday when that first wreck happened. Oh, no, we've got the red flag for the track repair. And I looked down and I had all kind of notifications. It was just 4,000 people saying the word data on my Twitter handle. They were saying data. Data.

Got tight. We love it. We appreciate all you guys. At least some good comments, reviews. At least our car actually moved up the race track. this week. We didn't have, you know, Ricky didn't come down the track across our nose. I didn't come down either. You know what we need to do. We need to get crushed boy back on here. You're the innocent bystand. We need to get crushed boy back on here next week for a quick

segment because he doesn't understand these playoffs. He's asking what does it mean to win a regular series championship. Some clown reply that it doesn't mean anything. Like they don't understand what it's really worth to go out there and get those extra 15 playoff points. That is a pile. That's like winning three races. That is. To get those 15 playoffs. That puts you deep into the playoffs. So Crush Boy, you need to listen to experts, not some of these clowns on Twitter. Trust us. Not to mention.

Tell them to get his questions ready and get them on here, Freddie. You want that buffer, man. Like, if you have a bad race, that buffer that you earn, what you earn right there could totally take away some mishap that can happen. Oh, absolutely. I think I saw yesterday, I don't remember if it was before or after the race, so it might have changed after the race. But Harvick's already got like 57, 60 points, something like that. and he's going to get another 15. He's about, did he lock up the regular season yet?

Oh, yeah. Yeah, 100%. So he's going to have another 15. I mean, that's a free pass to Phoenix. You know what I mean? Like, you could almost do whatever you want. You're in. Yeah, yeah.

But he's earned it. I mean, that's why you. I mean, yeah, him and Danny both, you know, that's why you win these races. That's why the racing is so, it's cut throw, man, nowadays. You got a race for everything you can. You want, would you, how many, would you like five points right now? I don't, I want to make it as nerve. racking as possible.

This is why you guys race all year, man. That's why you need every point you can get. I think we should just give up 30 and just go into this thing tied with Matt and William and Jimmy and just see what happens. That's what we do. It's crazy. Hey, thank you guys for listening. Appreciate you.

You're going to be back on the show. Casey, best of luck this week delivering a kid or having a kid or whatever happens there. If it's Sunday, we're coming. I know we're going to not see any pictures, but hopefully at some point we'll get to meet her. I'll be posting lots just for you guys. Thank you. We're out, hollow. Thanks. See ya. Check out Dirtymo Media on YouTube, Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram. Dirtymo!