Door Bumper Clear - 202 – Going for the Win

Episode Date: February 15, 2021

After a wild and wet DAYTONA 500, Bubba Wallace’s spotter Freddie Kraft and Joey Logano’s spotter T.J. Majors break down the chaotic day at the World Center of Racing.Along with co-host Casey Boat and producer Jason Schultz, the gang covers the frightening last-lap wreck involving leaders Joey Logano and Brad Keselowski. Majors discusses what happened from his perspective and if it could have unfolded differently. How did Michael McDowell clear the carnage and win his first career NASCAR Cup Series race? They react to his shocking victory. Plus, find out which Cup Series championship spotter called the shots for the No. 34 team after being fired from his previous team last season.Kraft shares about Bubba Wallace’s maiden voyage as the driver for newly formed 23XI Racing. He explains how their week went and what happened to put them a lap down as the finish approached.A massive wreck on Lap 14 changed the course of Sunday’s race, what caused the early aggression? The spotters share what they think happened. Coordinating pit stops with alliance partners is another challenge spotters face at superspeedway races, find out what goes into aligning trips down pit road.Drivers and fans alike were confused by the qualification rules for the 500 following Thursday’s Duel races. Are the rules fair? Should the final spots in the field be determined differently? The guys debate.T.J. spotted his first Truck Series race for Hailie Deegan, find out how the race went and his outlook for the season as her spotter.Reaction Theatre returns with fans heated after a crazy season opening weekend. Find out what they had to say about Logano’s last lap block, Freddie’s spotting and Brad Keselowski’s oil changes.In Fast Lane, find out who doesn’t know which planet is closest to the sun and a surprising celebrity crush revelation. Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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app or go to anchor.fm. To get started. That's A-N-C-H-O-R.fm. to get started. What's up, guys? Freddie Kraft here, and we're back from Daytona. Well, most of us are anyway. After last night's wild end of the Daytona 500,

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It's part of the 22-cup car, the one truck, no Xfinity. And I did have an Arka race, one-time deal, with a 73 car, but not as full of a studio today. What's up, Freddie Crafts? I just want to know, can you pronounce your Arca driver's name by any chance? Yeah. Can you really? You probably race with him on. I didn't race, I mean.

On a Sim deal. Or no, that's a Zacharias. Jan Kowiac. That's very good. Yeah. Jan Kowiac. Andy J. I was in a spelling bee, but I'm all right.

I'm all right as spelling. You can use it as a sentence. I can use it as a noun. Yeah. What's up, guys? Freddie Crafts, spotted for Bubba Wallace, Jeb Burton and Derek Krauss. I had Drew Dollar in the Archer Race also.

So it was a pretty busy speed weeks. You tore up a lot of stuff. I got out. I think every car you spot it for us a month. I had a second place in an arc race, second in the duel. Oh, he was like the only, No, no, no, yeah. Okay.

And then Krauss wrecked. I didn't do a gym. In the arc race was very uneventful. Yeah. It was pretty much like the cup race, except the cup guys decided to wreck. All right. We need to get by the other these intros. Hey, guys, I'm Casey Boat here.

We're just surprised you're here. We're working our way there. I'm just kidding. We're getting there. We first had to go through the guy that's missing. I know. Everybody needs to tweet at Bright Griffin and have him explain why he's not in the studio today. And while you're tweeting, I mean, you can follow his Twitter timeline and probably figure it out.

Yeah. Or messages at 5.30 in the morning. Yeah. So we get home late. Freddy gets home about an hour before me, and I'm sure Frey is probably laying on the couch, watch TV or something. I get home, I take a shower, and in the shower, my phone is just going off. And I'm like, somebody's in trouble or something. And I go look at the phone, and it's Brett.

Just message after message after message. And his grammar was pretty good. It was better than I thought he was sober. I'm kind of impressed. Brett doesn't text at that time in the morning sober. He's got practice. But, okay, I thought that he had like a meeting that he had to take care of. Oh, he did.

He was just at 4 a.m. That's all. I think he does at some point today. I'm working full time and I'm here, but Brett is still drunk somewhere in Daytona. My favorite message was the last one. What did it say? It was the one, hate to do this guys, but I'm not going to make it. at 4.14 a.m.

He just gets done grilling everybody about what we need to do and all this stuff. Then he follows it up with a hate to do this, but I'm not going to make it. He must have looked at the clock. Well, we did not fit Brett Griffin timeline because it's eight hours. It's always eight hours. From when he lays down? Yeah, I mean, if he doesn't get eight hours asleep, he's not functional. So if he was texting us at four o'clock, we would have had to make the show noon just for him to be awake.

He could have gotten eight hours of sleep. Is that his math? Like, if I don't lay down my two. I'm telling you, when we're out, like, we're out hanging out somewhere and we've got to be up with the next day. Like, we'll be, you know, have a couple drinks or whatever. And I'll start seeing bread on his fingers, like, count an hour. I'm like, what are you doing? He's like, I just got, if I got to be up at 10, I got to go to bed. You know, he starts counting hours.

So if anybody is still in Daytona, keeping out for Brett, he could be on the street somewhere. Probably sitting outside the oyster pub if I had to guess. Probably. Anyway, speed weeks, or speed, I guess it's speed five days now. Well, it's still speed weeks, because there was a lot of racing going on there with the dirt track and New San Marin and stuff. Yeah, for sure. Lots of racing, so. There's a lot of interesting stuff.

It started off. The very first night at the asphalt track started off great with the modifies with a couple guys getting into it and stuff. Ryan Preece and John McKinney and Tommy Baldwin's car, they had a little, they had a little get together. And that carried over for like the next four or five races as well. and then it kind of got interesting again at the end. But you can't forget like sprint car racing before that. It was a speed weeks. Yeah, for sure.

Between the All-Stars and all that stuff. You didn't say you were spotting for Haley Deegan last week. Nobody asked me either. Well, how was that? I got a ton of comments asking. I still hear somebody. Yeah, he's laughing. Yeah.

I'm sorry, Leah. I thought that was you. That's Hayley. That's Haley laughing. Yeah, so. How was that? It was fine. She did everything I asked her to do kind of, we had that, there was a wreck off of two.

You predicted the future, apparently. Yeah, I guess, something like that. We had talked about it. We had a few meetings before, and we had talked about it. We weren't in stage points, and we were coming to the end of the stage. There is no reason to be running up there coming to start, finish line. If you're not running the top 10 or don't have a chance to get in the top, 10 right there save your truck i mean you want to finish the race so we had um that was kind of in the

game plan the whole time but she was fine like i can't tell you how many times i mean almost every lap i'm like you know be prepared out of four make sure you're planning ahead you can push up getting somebody because a lot of people get in trouble in turn four in Daytona like a lot of people do that just sneaks up on them and um but she did really really good uh just riding around kind of we were just kind of staying right behind the pack and three trucks were going on the outside and we were going to just follow them and kind of stay behind the pack a little bit and as soon as she opened up the wheel the three truck checked up because of the speedy dry we were on lap three of this run and when we went back green I'm like all right when you come off turn two there's going to be a big dust cloud just keep

going it's just going to be dirty and two or three laps it'll be gone it'll be fine don't panic so she's fine everything and then somebody hits the speedy dry a little bit more on the I believe it was the third lap of that run. And Jordan Anderson just lifts out of nowhere and just panics. She has to lift and turn the wheel and that's just something you can't do there. I hate to say it, but it's just bad timing and kind of lack of experience on her part, not knowing what the truck would do. I mean, if it was me, I probably would have turned him rather than spend myself.

But no, she did fine. Otherwise, I thought she listened well and she didn't get worked up. and was pretty smooth all night, I thought. A lot smoother than your guy. My truck race went great. I don't know what you're talking about. My truck race was over before the start-finish line because James Busher apparently has never been to a race before,

although he's got a truck championship. And he's got a truck win there. He's a finish. Yeah. I mean, he literally, I don't, I never saw. Won the race before the start finish line. Was there any video? I never saw a video of it.

But he literally just, we all, somebody at one of the, who was the 15? Was that gray? Is that? Yeah. Gray missed a shift or something or broke a transmission and never really got going. But like the guys around Gray kind of got sorted out around him. But we checked up a little bit and we're on the bottom.

I mean, it's the start of the race. So what are you going to do in the start? Where are you going? You're not going to get lapped. Busher just never checks up, drives straight through the back of. I think it was Gus Dean and drives him into the side of our truck and just like just twares the whole right side of the truck up. And then we just continued to cut tires, cut tires.

They couldn't get it clear. and eventually I kind of got annoyed and I was like, man, I'm tired of watching Derek spin out in front of the whole field. Eventually, like Spencer Boyd came within inches of just teaboning Derek. And I was like, we don't need to keep sending him out here to potentially get hurt.

But we had to take a break from Speed Weeks for one second because I was listening to last week's episode of the Dale Jr. Download. What a great podcast. I don't know if you got to listen. There was a producer on there that said he has been very excited he's been waiting all this time

to work on a real show finally talking about I don't know what his name was I believe it was Jason Schultz so they said something of course Dale and Mike take jabs at us and then Schultz agrees with them and says he's been excited

to work on a real show finally I've been calling this for a long time he's been he is all about him and Dillner are all about the Dunder download it's all they're all about it I didn't say the real show thing.

They set in. I just happen to agree with it. We have to move our recording times to fit Jason's time to go work on this show. This is true. So it's not about getting all of us here at the same time.

It's about when Jason's schedule freeze up because Lord knows what deer tracks donors looking at in a field digging us straight away. I believe this is a flag stand. That's a deer stand. Oh, look over here.

Yeah, hey, I'm gonna... It's okay. Jason, we know the priority here. It's fine now. It's fine. So resumes, please. some of the resumes. I've got a few of them in my DMs.

He's going to be in bad shape when Dillner comes back and they drop him like a bad habit. He'll be out of work. Dillner went from the producer to like talent all the sudden. He's a talented guy. Jason's on his way there, honestly. I thought he was, but now he pissed me off. So we're going to bash him a little bit.

He is talent. He has become the spotlight. I want to be a talent. I guess I just need a fedora and a 3XL flannel and I'm good. You do that green puffy jacket. How about Jason your tweet? Which one?

Your Make Ultra tweet. Oh yeah. That's what DJD's got a new sponsor, some beer company that Brett likes and I like to. I was promoting them. I don't see you giving props to any of us or any of our sponsors. If I sell my house, which I'd no own, if I sell my apartment. Try offer pad. Yeah.

I will for sure plug offer pad. But the whole thing is a strategy. I'm on that show to promote our. show. People are going to listen to DJ. You did not promote our show very well, actually. You just stopped promoting it. They're going to hear my presence. You'd be like, this kid is so cool. I can't wait to listen to his other producing podcast and then he's going to third and come to DBC.

I hope you're right. Jason's priorities are this. The Dail Jr. download with Doner because he's like the shadow for donor. And then he's like, he's like the donkey to Shrek for sure. Exactly. That's exactly how that works. Donor Prince Roder. Dr. Donkey. You know, Jason's like, hey, what do you think about this? Donor? Don't know what I think about this. Like, and then we're not even second. Yeah. We're not even second.

He does that. Oh, yeah. That redhead racing. Yeah, redhead wrecking, whatever. I don't know what it is. We know where your priority stands. Yeah, with that. Andrew.

So next week, we're going to make it real difficult to schedule the show. Oh, really? Yeah. Actually, Jason, I'm going to start clearing my throat more. Did you hear what Dale said about Brett on DJD? No. He said, I was promoting DBC, so I wrote a script for him to read, and this was off script, but he was like, Freddy's going to talk.

talk about Bubba, T.J. is going to talk about Joey, and Brett's going to talk about himself. I mean, that sounds about right. Yeah. Honestly, we should, I was thinking about this last night, we should clip all of his tweets and just put them on the wall because it's always like, there's nothing good. It's always about himself, how he feels. Was that specifically for Jason, the clearing of your throat? That was actually a good one. Hey, are we talking about Haley, Jason? Again, what she said about the race? No, I took that out.

Okay. So, I mean... Do you want to bring that up? No, I just saying, I thought she did a good job. Freddie, what's your point of her? Yeah. I mean, trust me. Our goal was to be...

I did not see much of the race because I was busy spinning out. So I didn't really get to watch her a whole lot. Our goal was to be quiet right around the bottom and see where, you know, maybe race a little bit at the end if we needed to. Like we talked about, when people are out there, we talked about this last week with Joey Gase. When you're out there trying to learn and stuff, the best thing to do is not have any...

Don't stand out. Don't do anything. Just don't do anything. Just right around. And then, like, there's nothing. that I just read that she did anything wrong. Obviously she spun out, but it wasn't her fault. So, yeah.

And I have to give her props because she has a ton of eyes on her. As a girl, as somebody who's starting in the truck series, like a ton of pressure. And I think she did a great job for. I was, even after she spun out, I mean, she wasn't really worked up. She was, like, very calm. She's off to a good start. So hopefully we can just go have some, like Fray said, we just need to go have some quiet runs. Like, you know, we're, you know, let's try to finish the same.

for top 15. Okay, we got that. Now let's name for the top 10. Let's just little steps at a time. Like you said, everyone's watching, but I mean, I was impressed by her. I thought she did good. Are you spotting for her the rest of the season? Or when you can? That's the plan. You know, this is how it goes, though. I leave one truck and it wins. You know, I left Ben and Ben's been in position at Daytona almost every year to win that race at some point near the end. So I knew he would be a factor anyway. He finally dropped a dead weight and got himself away. I know it. He finally did it. I don't know who felt worse about it.

My new crew chief, Matt or T.J. I know. So Freddie's crew chief left Ben as well to go work with Derek. And I left the spot for Haley. And I text him after the race. I'm like, man, we look dumb, don't we? And he was pretty down. But, no, I think, you know, great job for Ben and them guys.

And T.J. Bell, I mean, that's the new spotter for him. That was awesome for T. Yeah. I mean. Do you think Ben hired TJ just so he didn't have to remember somebody else's name? So we talked about, I started calling him TJ 2.0 because I was helping him find somebody and it was kind of easy. This would be a good transition, man. It's like you're talking to me. And no, it was good though, but yeah, no. Haley did good. You talk about people that want to remain quiet and somebody else that did a really good job,

remaining quiet and didn't make any noise in any of the races was Derek Cope, I felt like. I really wanted to see what was going to happen if we got with him. in like 10 to go and he was up near the front because didn't that didn't 10 to go he was throwing blocks before the start finish line weren't we uh we shouldn't have to because you can't pass for the start finish line well he was trying um didn't he make a comment about if we get down to the end

they better watch out is that what he said he did say something like that we didn't we needed to at the beginning we to watch out that was the problem maybe he had the last backwards he so we all had to drop to the tail obviously william went to the back for a backup car yeah we got a failed tech and Brad was behind us. Did he wreck? Yeah. No.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. He wrecked. Yeah. So I just told Bubba, I said, we're going to follow the 24 here because he's going to go around the 15. Well, we're going to go around him. And the 15 just runs Byron in the wall like halfway down the front stretch. So we all stack up. We get damage. Brad gets damage. I'm like, what the hell? Two laps later, we try to go around him again with a big run?

Same thing. I'm like, oh, my God. I'm like, get the hell out of here. We've got to get away from this guy. Yeah. And then I think, I guess maybe when he hit Byron or got, you know, I don't know if he got a rub or something, but somebody said he cut a tire. Yeah. And Rick, thank God, got him out of there. He just can't drive like that in the beginning.

I mean, and then not only that, but the damn, the duel, like, he's parked on the bottom. We go flashing by him on the last lap of the duel. I thought that was going to be a hilariousious wreck. Yeah, that and that you guys were all catching TrueX at about 30 mile an hour difference was a little scary because that's a, obviously, that's a, obviously, that's a. That's a spot where the runs happen. I know, that's the worst spot you can catch somebody. There was a moment where I thought Jamie McMurray was going to get slaughtered by Denny. Really?

Right towards last night towards the end. It was rough. I have no idea. Yeah. Good job. Jamie did a really good job, though. I had to look a couple times in like 77. Oh, yeah, that's McMurray.

Because he kind of laid back. He let everybody do the racing in front of him. He sat there in that 13th, 14th, 15th spot and just kept a little bit of a gap. And I don't know where he ended up. Do you know where he ended up? No. But he drove a very smart race. So you could tell Jamie, he's obviously a very good,

he's a very good restricted plate racer. And it showed again last night. So I guess since Brett isn't here, I want to know what do you think he would say about Daytona? What comments would he have? About the race or? About the whole week. He has something to complain about,

Something about the rain, something about the... First thing he would say was the 3 o'clock start time was dumb. Yes. I don't... We're getting to that reaction, Peter. I don't disagree with. He would say that he did a great job spotting for Jed Burton on Saturday night. He did a great job there.

He also did a great job with Kaz. Yeah, he did a great job with getting Kaz in the race. Basically spotter of the week, honestly. Yeah. But that's about it. And that we went to do a episode. That would pretty much cover the entire week. Good recap there.

Yeah. I mean, that's pretty accurate. We just add a few curse words in between and we'll be good. Yeah, so basically Brett has one of them things where he goes like this and it pats himself on the back. Yeah. He doesn't even need to. It's just... Just natural.

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First topic, I think we can spend all show on this. Penske teammates, Joey Lugano, and Brad Kislauski wreck while leaving in turn three on the final lap. Spot on, spot off, T.J. Hang out, I got something for you here, T, T. What is it? Am I going to want to see it? No, it's audio. We have not caused a wreck that's taking ourselves out in the 500.

That was last week. Well, there we go. I still don't know if, I mean, it doesn't matter what cars are in this, what cars are in this wreck. You're coming to turn three of the Daytona 500. There's very little chance that, you know, if you're the second place guy, you're going to make the move. You almost have to.

If you're the leader, you're not wanting to be passed. It's the Daytona 500. If by chance, you can keep that. that guy behind you, you've got a really good chance that win the Daytona 500. I mean, this is probably the biggest race in America. I mean, you're leading it going to turn three. You're not going to wave a guy by to do it.

And these guys are all out there because they want to win. And I don't blame, no matter who it is. I don't blame Brad. Brad's just racing. Brad's trying to win the 500. He's gotten so close many times. Joey's won the 500, but he wants another one, you know. And no matter who it is, like, they're both going to do whatever they can do

to try to, you know, prevent the other guy for passing or whatever they can do to pass the guy. Brad kept backing up to try to get a run. We kept backing up with him to prevent it. No matter who that is, whether it doesn't, teammates don't really, to me, doesn't really matter. I mean, you're racing for the win at this point.

Yeah, it'd be great. Oh, you got a teammate behind you. Is he supposed to push you around to the start-finish line? I don't know. I don't think so, in my opinion. I mean, they're racers. They're there to win. So it doesn't really matter what the cars are.

the guy in second wants to win, the guy in first wants to win. So just a, uh, makes very exciting race. I mean, I'm sure down the backstretch off of two, everyone was watching the runs and, you know, getting ready. I mean, that's why everyone watches because it's exciting and it's something's going to happen. And it'd be pretty boring if everybody has stayed in line and, oh, well, you know, these three are all working together. We're just going to finish like this. It just doesn't work like that. These guys all want to win. I want to win. Freddie wants to win. If you're spotting Bub, and he's in second, Bubba's going to do what it takes to get there. If Bubba's leading the race?

Yeah, if he's doing his job. If Bubba's leading the race, he's going to do whatever he can to maintain that lead. I mean, it's the last lap of the Daytona 500. Have there been any conversations between the team, like, after the fact now? I don't know. I don't, it's, I don't think everybody knows it's the end of the 500, and everybody's going for it. And it doesn't matter. It could have been this car and that car and that car racing.

Their guy's going to go for the win. And if you don't, then I'm not sure why you're. should be out there if you so i just so i don't know i'm not you're not going to call it a bad block because it's it's the daytona 500 like you said yeah that's why you're gonna you're gonna you're gonna you're gonna do whatever it takes to to to win the race obviously yeah but you know obviously you see looking back i went back and looked at the data believe it's a freddie finally has access to stuff so he can make valid arguments so so the two but wait i want to know data or data because a few people have tweeted asking what you in.

Data. Whatever. Oh, boy. I'll go with the guy in the goonies, whatever you want to call it. Whatever he says. So the two cars run a four-mile an hour faster. The 34s run a little bit faster, obviously pushing him. I think Joey put himself, not didn't put himself, but he was in a no-win situation

where at that point I don't think he's winning the race. You know, like he's going to go all out to try to win the race. But if Brad, even if Brad hits him square, he's probably going to wreck Joe. Joey. And then he, you know, but obviously Brad's not going to hit him square because he's going to get offset, try to get around him somehow. So now Joey has kind of made a decision to, this is it. This is all for go for broke right here in turn three where if you stay in front of him and you actually make it through, you're going to win. Yeah. And I think maybe going back to last year, I think the better play might have been what Denny did where, you know, obviously everything Denny does is amazing. But, you know, who was it? Six and Twelve got hooked up and we're tandem by him. And instead of, trying to throw the block, he lets him go, but then side drafts the second car to split him up to kind of try to generate a run down the front. Obviously, this is going, but you could go back and debate this after the fact a hundred times, but you're leading to race and it's, you don't, that's not the way, first immediate thought. But, you know, it is what it is. And at that point,

I feel like Joey decided that this is it. I'm throwing all my cards on the table and probably, I mean, you can say what you want. You know, you, you, you, cost Penske a win and almost cost four to win. Luckily, the 34th escaped through there before the Chevy's got around them. But, you know, it's just, I just think it was, obviously you're going to say it was Daytona 500, you're going to do all you can. I just think there was a smarter play there to not wreck everybody. But it is what it is.

But if you say it costs Penske the win, do you know how Ryan Newman won his 500? No. Because his teammate pushed him from turn three on. Okay. I'm just saying that's not like, that's not saying. Let me ask you this. What are the chances of you not getting wrecked there? Knowing the run that was coming.

Honestly, we kept backing up with Brad. I don't feel like, I knew Brad had a little bit of a run, but it wasn't like a... I mean, it wasn't a big of a run as last year. No, but... And I thought, honestly, I thought Brad knew that he, I thought Brad was going to actually aim for something off of four because he didn't have a huge run right there. I thought, because the 34 said he was staying with the two. So I thought Brad was going to be.

going to make his move off of four. That was what I thought. But I just, you know, I, I think Brad was getting, when we, when we started changing lanes and brass were changed lanes, I think Brad was getting swiped at that time already by the 34. And that's like, and you can't move. Yeah. You know you can't change lanes when you're tandem. I mean, it's just everybody is wide open at that point. There's no more. Oh, there's not a break. There's, 34 is going to be shoving Brad as hard as he can until the start finish line. Joey's going to do everything you can to block. and it just, you know, I don't know. It doesn't matter who it is.

I still think I just felt like there was a different play there. Would you guys have done the same thing if you were in Brad's position? It just depends. I mean, yeah, you got to go for the win. You absolutely got to go for the win. But looking back at it, if you knew the guy was going to stay with you, do you make your move a little bit later and try to preserve at least a one-two coming across the line?

You know, if you know that guy is going to be behind you, do you do that? There's just so many moving pieces of one. time. You can't blame one guy or the other for going for it. Joey felt like his best play was to stay in front of Brad at that point. Brad felt like his best play was to make a pass at that point. It's one of them deals where Brad, you know, he might have had one plan, but then the stars start to align it. He's got a bigger run than he expected right there, three-quarters way down a backstretch. Which we talked about earlier, that's where the runs about three-quarters away down that backstretch are massive. I don't think Brad had as big of run as he planned on having. Because he kept backing up

in the middle one too and I told Joey he was going to do that and we kept backing up with him. Yeah. And then, you know, it is what it is. But the 34, the guy in third, honestly the guy in third is almost in the catbird seat at that point. Oh, yes. Because you can just drive the front tooth through each other. You can drive the front tooth. Like, you know, you can drive them, you can basically wreck them both and go on.

And I don't, everybody's driving so hard at that point and you're coming to the checker flag and the Daytona 500. So you're probably, it's so hard to make yourself lift then because if you crack a little bit and the guy behind you just even sniffs your quarter panel, you're going backwards. I mean, in my opinion, the end of the day, if you're the kind of person that has to place blame on that accident, it's probably going on Joey just for the fact that he's trying to block a big run.

But, I mean, you're talking about the Daytona 500 and a guy that's never, has Joey won the 500? Yeah. All right. So he's trying to get another one. It wouldn't matter if they had six. It wouldn't matter. Yeah, 10.

They're all just, it's Daytona 500. It doesn't matter. So, you know, if you want to blame somebody, I think that's the cause of it, but it's still the Daytona 500, and you're going for broke right there. I mean, you think that's your only shot right there is to keep that guy behind you. That's what you're going to do. I got a note. Has Joey said anything to you?

Like, what was his reaction on the radio when all that happened? He's upset, obviously, right when he got done, he was upset. But that's the heat of the battle stuff, you know? But I think Joey will look back at it, and I don't know if he'll do anything different next time. I think you, maybe he still thinks he needs to be leading. I don't know. I mean, it's really hard to make yourself let a guy go because you don't know, you don't know what's going to happen.

If that guy, you know, you just don't know. Who's going to push who? Who's going to get runs where? So much stuff can change from the entry to three to the start finish line now with this package. Like so much stuff can change that quick. That was kind of what I was getting at about, you know, letting them go is because you could still, you know,

pull him off, pull the 34 off the two. and now the two is going to be way out and a sitting duck, kind of like last year, with Newman. Yeah, but the 34 had quite a bit of single car help behind him, though. Yeah, but I'm just saying, but if you could, if you could, all you can do is stall the, you know, all you need to do is get the two to be way out front and then, you know, everything changes off a four again. But, you know, it's, it's the, it's, I still think if the risk versus reward do. I think if we can keep Brad behind us into three, I think we have a really good shot down the race. Oh, I, I 100% agree with that.

I just don't think there was any way you could have. kept him behind you. I think that no matter what, even if he hit you square, that's what we were trying to prevent. That's why we kept, and we never really got really far out on him. We got a car length and a half maybe, and he kept backing up, and I, you know, I saw it coming. He started backing up in the middle one and two, and I kept back in jelly up, and then Brad would back up some more. And I was really surprised that that's when the three took his run, because he saw everybody backing up and he's like, oh, this is my chance. But the problem is with this package, as soon as they hammered back down, they take off quick.

Like it was tough to make, and honestly, I was really surprised at the lack of the bottom at some points in the race. Next topic. Michael McDowell wins the Daytona 500 with spotter Clayton Hughes

who Martin Truex Jr. fired after 2020. Spot on, spot off, Freddie. Truex had like a direct quote from like Media Week, I guess, or whatever last week that said he fired his

spotter because he needed to be better at plate races. Oops. You know, whatever it is. You know, the plate racing stuff, I feel like it's more on the driver than the spotter. Obviously, the spotter is a big part in it, but some guys are really good at plate racing no matter who's spotting for them, and some guys are just not that great at it. And Martin struggled on plate races.

But, you know, more so just happy for Clayton. You know, he's been around a long time old cuz. Happy for them guys, Drew, Blick and Sturfer. Michael McDowell, he's a nice guy, like 99% of his life. There was one time at Bristol. I thought he's a bad. But he's a great guy. The Love's car wins on Valentine's Day.

How are you going to beat that? It was actually Monday by that point. Oh, that's all right. It started. It's already started on Valentine's Day. You're saying this is the nicest guy, but yet I specifically remember a fight he's in. I said one time he was in. You said Bristol.

Yeah, he said one time. There was another fight. That was Phoenix. Yeah, but that wasn't his fault. That was Suarez going after him. Well, Bristol was... He's talking about Suarez of Phoenix. Yeah, I'm talking about Suarez of Phoenix.

When Suarez was given that like... You got to defend yourself. That was self-defense. Big Tree fall hard. Yeah, that's right. Big Tree was falling hard. No, Michael is one of the nicest guys. I mean, won the Daytona 500.

I mean, it doesn't matter now. He's got a trophy. So, I mean, Del Jr.'s got two of them. He won't give me one. But it's how important these things are. I asked him one time, and hey, man, you've got two of these things. How about we put one at my house?

I got one word back. No. Nope. So, yeah, but, you know, great for him. I kind of, I don't know how to describe it, but I kind of miss the days where you, the, like anybody can get a run now and almost drive through anybody,

and they're going to do it. And I don't really like that aspect of this part of the racing. Like, like, like if Derek Cope's running third in the last lap, he's going to wreck the front two guys. Like, and it's, I miss the days of these guys, like, putting all that work, and they work just as hard now as they did back then on these cars. But they build these cars and you just knew the good fabricators would build these cars and it'd be hard, you know, harder to pass and stuff. But it was, I don't know. It's just, this is like, it's like a fixed setup race on eye racing when you go in there and it's just everybody in the trucks where everybody can get a run.

you can be four wide that's our finish line. It's just kind of like that. And it's just, I don't know. I kind of miss it. Hey, it's like in 2014, we line up in the 500. You know, these guys can still make moves, but it's not this gigantic run, three-car, I mean, unstoppable stuff, but they can get runs.

Like, I mean, we were lining up against Danny, Brad, Kyle, Jeff Gordon. These are, like, top dogs that you're beating here, you know? and like it's good because I don't know it seems like now 15 laps in the race we're racing with 13 cars yeah oh yeah so I don't know but yeah spot on for Michael though and and that group man them them guys are uh you know it's an unforgettable feeling and something they're going to remember with the rest of their lives I'm glad to see Clayton won too because he was on the roof I think he was up there at like 10 o'clock in the morning so he uh he gets up there probably the earliest of anybody Jason Jared probably gives him rough for his money but practice or yeah I don't know

what he does, but I see him getting out two, three hours before the race usually and heading up there. Yeah, he's definitely one of the earlier ones. But yeah, it's always, a Daytona brings a lot of unknowns, and a lot of spotters get their first wins at Daytona, a lot of, get their only wins of Daytona. I mean, but it's a special, no matter what race you win at Daytona, it's a special race, just because it's Daytona, man.

I mean, when you drive up on that place for the first time, it's breathtaking. It's like walking into a football. say, and when you walk out there and see the field, it's kind of like, dang, that's awesome. It's right there. But Daytona's always a special place to win no matter what. Agreed. Spot on, spot off.

Contact between Christopher Bell and Eric Omerola triggers the lap 14 big one. Guess who didn't cause it? Me. First time for anything. He just wants to call it out. All right, TJ, you take it. I mean, this is the same thing we just talked about. You know, in a turn of three, not even really trying.

to go that hard, bell runs down in there. I noticed Christopher had been driving super hard, most of the, like, almost noticeably trying really, really, really hard. I don't know, I don't know if it's just a new car, thinks he's got, you know, really show, or I don't know what it is, but, I mean, he was really fast, really good, but just there was an opportunity there just to chill, you know, and, you know, down in the three, these cars can be unstable and, you know, obviously we know that so you can that's a spot where you can get in trouble the 18 gave him a good little shove and he just kind of rolled up in there and shoved the eight just drove into the 10 too hard and turned him and took out a lot of good cars yeah like you could see he gets up there

and and hits him and then kind of like offsets a little bit to the right and hits him again and that's what that's what kind of you can turns the wreck like you can't well that's what I'm saying that when Brad turned the wheel with us him and the 34 were offset when the 34 turned left to follow Brad down. I think he had already gotten Brad a little bit. And Brad had a bump, a bumper inside of us. And that's kind of,

you just can't, you can't move when you're touching. Like, they don't like, yeah. Can't do that. With Bell, you know,

like you said, he was super aggressive all week, super fast car, I thought. And I kind of, me and Bubba talked about this a little bit after the duel too. Like,

when you're driving other stuff, like Bell was in the 95 last year, and Bubba was in the 43, sometimes you kind of have to drive aggressive. to your car's not as good as what you're driving now. So you kind of got to drive a little more aggressively to maintain your track position or stay up in the battle. And some of me and Bubba talked about leading up to the 500

was we've got a rocket ship here. We don't need to be as aggressive with it. And you just hate to see that that early. That whole pack was crazy. Like I told Bubba multiple times in the first 15 laps, like let's get the hell out of here. The middle of this pack is three wide, you know, moving around a lot. So what Denny did, like right away.

Yeah, like, it was ridiculous. I was like, where are they going? I don't understand it. Well, it's lap 15. We got 185 more to go. And now we just wiped out 12 contenders. You know, it just seemed unnecessary at that point. But like you said, it was hard racing.

The whole pack was nuts. There's a lot of times where I think spotters could step in, when you see your guy riding and the guy behind you just keeps hitting you. When you know your guy is lifting, you know, halfway down the straightaway riding half-throw, the guy behind you comes up and hits you. He's like, I've, I said a couple tweets about Joey asked, like, why is Larson hitting me? And we were all just chilling on that. We're single foul against the wall, and he's running to us like every lap.

Like, we're legitimately not trying to go anywhere, like the other 15 guys in the group. Like, why? And everyone's like, oh, cry. Everyone, this is why I don't do social media stuff much anymore. Because there's people on there saying, oh, he's crying about that. Like, it's just not smart. Yeah. You hit in the wrong spot.

Like, if he runs up there in turns and you're going to take him. yourself out. Like, we're all just riding. If you want to go, go. You know, chance it. Go down there. But, like, there just doesn't make much sense sometimes to be doing that. I will skin in the Xfinney race, and there was a, there's a few guys that were very aggressive, one of them being this building here, that was just running up there and hitting the guy when they're just riding. Yeah. Great for the last five laps, but, I mean, 75 laps to go. It doesn't make much sense. Denny Hamlin leads the most laps yet fails to win his third consecutive 500. Spot on, spot off.

Freddie, it's all going to be spot on. You love Denny. Not spot on. He didn't win the race. I mean, geez. You know, it's just one of them deals where, you know, I thought the Toyotas were probably grouped together probably the best cars. I thought the 11 was probably the fastest car.

And he's probably one of the best plate racers. so, you know, he was able to get out front and control the pack. You know, he said he'd leave the most laps, but it was majority single file up against the top all day. And then just unfortunately, the way the numbers game, we talk about this every year with the plate race, and the numbers games, there's, you know, six, seven forwards left. There's five or six Chevy's, and then there's three Toyotas.

And then we come to pit road, three of us come to pit road together. Bell was having trouble. He kind of got shucked off the back of our little three-car pack. And we had a, slow pit stop or either Danny had a really fast pit stop or the rest of us had slow stops and we just got really strung out

and lost control of the race. We didn't, you know, the pack a... It was weird how that worked out. Yeah, the... I actually thought those groups that pitted earlier would lose ground because the big group's going faster. Yeah.

And they didn't. They didn't. So that caused us to lose our track position and then once you're all back there in that eighth to 12th and top of the single file, you know, around the top, there's nowhere to go

unless the guys in front of you get racy. And unfortunately, they didn't get really racy until taking the white. A couple guys pulled to the bottom to try and make something happen. And then the backstretch, obviously. But if you're sitting back there in that eighth to 12th range, you're counting on the guys up front to do something to generate a run for you, and it just never really happened for Denny. So I think he probably ended up the best he could,

fourth or fifth wherever he was. But, you know, it's frustrating. His interview was frustrated. Yeah, like you run so good. good and then you know one and it's probably like a fast pit stop cost in the race you know what I mean like getting out too fast and and not being able to in hindsight we probably needed a pit with this whatever group is smaller the chevies of the fords just so you don't get left like that on an island if you have a good pit stop you know we ended up having a group of four yeah so and then I think

there was I don't even remember what the chevies were but if you come down there with seven if you come down there with seven cars, the likelihood of you'd be able to pick up a couple guys off pit road is going to be way better than you come down with three. And then we literally all came off, split up by like 15 car lengths. And I was like, well, we're going to be lucky to hold on the draft. We tried to organize pretty quickly off a pit road

with at least the first couple cars or whatever, and then the other two, pull the other two up. Yeah. But you at least need to get two cars together. How does that work? Do you guys usually... It's called the draft. So there's air. I meant... If you have sweet and low packets, we can show you.

I meant... I meant... You have to lay your leg on the table. Oh, I met pitting in sequence. Like, you know, you talking about not pitting with all of the other Toyota. It's just a team that can manufacture's deal. All the Fords are going to pit together. They're going to get together on their chat or whatever and say.

They'll talk during the race when they're. The Chevy guys were down like in Orlando spotting, I think. Yeah. Is there anything else about that here in Jason? I didn't see anything. No. There's not. Yeah, so whenever Joey's like, hey, you tell the.

Larson, we don't need to be, like, bumping. We're not going anywhere right now. I'm like, yeah, I would be he's down there on Chevy Island. Oh, yeah, I did hear you say that. Yeah. The Chevy Reps decided to take all their spotters off of our main spotter stand and move them down, not one, but two spotter stands on the other side of all the TV equipment. And it was, I mean, I get it.

You can't, you can't really messes. I get it, but you can't split us up like that. We don't know, like all races I was worried about if the Chevy's decide to pit, we're not going to know about it unless, somebody's monitoring the radio because the way we communicate to each other on the roof that we're going to pit is just like everybody waving their hands. And there's no way we were going to see any of the Chevy guys waving their hands. So now you're in this big pack. And if they decided to pit, we were going to run them over.

So what was the reasoning behind it? Just they wanted to be by themselves. Everybody thinks it's a great idea to be kind of coded and away from everybody. And so nobody knows what you're doing. But then they'll complain that, oh, we got run over coming to pit road or whatever. So it's just there. It's a little extreme. That was, there's ways to get together on our main spotter stand.

There was, especially the second half of the race, it was half empty, believe it or not. So I don't know. That wasn't very bright. But yeah, it was just, that's how they work it out. We try to, everybody kind of pits by themselves in our own strategy. But just with the numbers of cars we had, I wish we maybe had a had pit with one of the other groups. Speaking of having less cars like that, Toyota's racing developments, David Wilson was talking about bringing new Toyota teams into Cup to have more competitive stuff. And so this week he said, I think the sport is going to be rocked.

Stay tuned when asked about new owners coming into the Toyota camp. So based on how their strategy played out and they kind of fell behind not having as many cars to pit with, do you think that's something they're going to want more cars, especially with 2311 racing? I feel like they've been working towards that and wanting that for years. That was kind of their plan with Barney Visser's deal. And I think, you know, obviously now that's the 2311 team. I think you're going to see more Toyotas next year. I think you'll probably see at least two out of our shop.

If I had to guess, I had no fact based on that. But if I had to guess, there'd be at least two, I think you'll see a team that's out there now, switch to Toyota, a Chevy team that's one of the lower-tier Chevy teams. But I think they're going to make a switch. So hopefully we get some more, so stuff like that. We have a little bit of bigger group to work with next year. Yeah, next year.

Well, I can tell you this. you might have more if your guy doesn't cause a wreck than to turn three on lap 15. Yeah, that would probably be better. I'm just kidding. Maybe. Kind of, sort of. A loose wheel puts Bubba Wallace a lap down

during an all green flag final stage. Freddie. Well, that sucks. You know, it is what it is. Nobody's trying to leave a loose wheel. You're all with. in and losing together. You were kind of stuck in the back of that front group, though, too, aren't you?

I was getting ready to tell wheels on Channel 2, like, if we had another restart, I was going to start counting cars off pit road because I felt like the bottom, if you weren't in the first two rows, the bottom, it went so fast a single file to the top that if you didn't get lucky enough to get a hole, you were going back to the back of that line, and then you were going to have to work your way up from there. because we were running, I think, third or fifth, you know, at the end of the stage and, you know, restarted third or fifth. And then, like I said, got shuffled all the way back to 12th or 15th. And there's nowhere to go.

We tried to do the, you know, pull out and pull guys back and we got hung for a couple spots. Yeah. So it's just, you just got that point, you just kind of stuck riding. It's tough to do. Yeah. And then, you know, we come to pit road for that last three-car pit stop. And do you think that wreck in the beginning created some of that? What do you mean?

Single file? Oh, yeah, for sure, obviously. That, the weather. A lot of times when there's weather in play, these guys want to make sure it gets the halfway, so they run single file to make sure they don't wreck and delay the process. But, you know, so obviously we got a loose wheel. So then we were a lap down.

We got, then he got us back in line before the pack ate us up. So then we were kind of just sitting there at the end of the race. I saw Bubba move around and I was like, oh, no. He went to the top. I know, and I was like, oh, no. I said the 11th of the tail, he's going to let us in probably or pick us up on the bottom and get us rolling. I said, we find that. He moves up.

I'm no, no, no, no, no, no. Back to the bottom. I said, we're going to be fine. The 11's going to get us. The best place to blend from is the top. Oh, for sure. Like if you could split the lines up. Oh, yeah.

You get on a quarter pan or something. Like, who was it? Kurt did it. Like, he stayed top. Yeah, he kind of split. That's how Denny got up. Denny passed like four or five guys like that. Uh-huh.

But, yeah, so then we kind of set. I really expected you to do that. No, we were going to do that. So, and I kind of wanted to be back there anyway, knowing that we were going to be a lap down, we really wasn't racing anybody. And we got in line with, we got in line. We were sitting there one back of Danny. There was a car between us, but we kind of just rode it out to the end just in case he was going to need help.

We just kind of sat back there. And once we took the white. I bet you were surprised about, you're like three to go. Okay, something's going to happen. I was okay, two to go. Something's going to go. Okay, one to go. Nobody's moving yet.

I just figured something was going to happen. We'd be there to push the 11, and it never really happened. So once we took the white and we couldn't get a lucky dog anymore, we kind of just pulled to the bottom and- And waited for it. And that was, we gave Danny the option. Like, that was like our way to, you know, all right, we're going to pull down if you want to come in front of us.

The data shows you drove right into that wreck. Did you watch the data? Because we got driven into that wreck. Data was on fire. So we come off at two and we're bailing out to the bottom, just rolling to the bottom and unfortunately got run over. I shouldn't say run over, but we got a hit and kind of propelled into the wreck and it wiped out a really good race cars.

So that was just compounding the frustration of the end of the race. But all in all, I think Bubba did a great job all week. Very competitive. Had a lot of speed. I think he learned a lot. I think he learned kind of what not to do sometimes in the duels. I would hope so. A couple of them moves.

You get right to the front and then it'd make one quick move and he'd be like, oh, no. There you go. Does you get to meet NJ? No, no. I don't think that'll ever happen. One day he's going to ask to meet. me, I would imagine, if we keep wrecking racecocks. But no, I mean, I thought

it was a really good debut. Second in the duel, ran up front most of the 500, so hopefully we can keep that momentum rolling to road course racing where Bub is really good. And we'll see what we can do this week. Hopefully Joey's not behind us on the green white checker.

Hopefully you pit for tires. And you aren't in defense mode. Spot on, spot off. Ty Dillon finished a head of Austin Cendric in the duel but doesn't get in the Daytona 500 because the locked in Ryan Priest finished higher and the next spot was determined on qualifying speed. Wow, that was a mouthful. So the thing, I read a message that said we lifted at the start finish line on purpose. I forgot to look at the data for that. Are you kidding me? That makes

absolutely zero sense. I mean, I can see why it would make sense. But I had no idea what those guys were. Yeah, it's not like you were like... Off a turn four. I'm in my other year. You're trying to win. No, I hear, don't let them wreck it. Don't let them wreck it. Don't let them wreck it.

So we were not doing anything, but just standing down there, mind our own business. And honestly, if you just would have stayed to the outside, they probably all would have pushed you. I mean, that's... You gave up the top. The preferred lane, at least Ty did anyway. So we did not lift to manipulate anything at all. So I was joking this week that I was going to go back and look at that,

but I didn't see anything live that looked like you by anything. You'll get spun out. Yeah, you'll get wreck. So I literally had no idea where Austin even was. Yeah. And I think that, you know, it's a rule. And people are, people were confused by it so that they don't understand the rule. guess or what, but just because they announce on Wednesday night that Brian Priest and David Reagan

are locked in, you can erase that from your mind because that's just like a fallback option for them. They're not, that's not their spot. That's a fallback in case they can't race their way in. So now Ryan Priest races his way in. The first, the rule is the first car, first open car without a charter, and each race is locked in the Daytona 500. So that was Ryan Priest

and who's in the second race? Was it Reagan? No, he wasn't a lot of then. I'm saying, but who was the highest finishing? I can't remember. Might have been right. No, it wasn't Reagan. Yeah, it was Reagan.

Was it right? Yeah, it was. Or did it end up being Cass? Did Reagan reckon the deal? I think it was Reagan. Yeah, it was Reagan. Yeah. So, yeah, maybe.

I don't remember. But either way, in that first race, Ryan takes Ryan takes the qualifying spot so now his fallback time doesn't count. He's not needed. So, you know, Ryan's fallback time,

and I think Reagan did wreck or did park. He didn't, Caz got in because of him other guy's wrecked, so Caz must have been the highest finishing dual car, an open car in that duel. But, so,

but I, it's, like, I wish that they would just say, you know, they, the priest and Reagan have provisionals in case they can't race their way in,

as opposed to saying they're locked in, because now it gets confused. using for the fan to where, all right, Priests is locked in, so he doesn't count anymore, and Dylan beat Cindrick so Dylan's in. Well, that's not really the way it works. I don't understand why we don't just put them in a race and let them race. I think we should just put all the open cars in one race.

If you beat that guy, you're in. Yeah. It shouldn't, like, why do we mix all these other guys in there? If we've got eight cars, you know, make it like a Conci at your short track, you know, like run a 10 lap, just throw down. LCQ. Last chance qualifier right here. And you can still give your, you know, the fastest two guys a provisional,

but we're taking the other, we're taking the next two highest finishing besides you guys or whatever. Yeah, I mean, that's easier to figure out. But to me, to me, I'd like to see them just racing each other more rather than being mixed up with these other guys. Because there's, I don't know, there's other things that, you know, if you've got an alliance with a bigger group or something, I want to see them race. We saw that last a couple years ago. remember Brett was spot. Brett was obviously spotting for Clint, but Clint was in a different duel,

so Brett, I think, spotted for Tommy Baldwin's car. And I think Ryan Truex is driving it. And they were in position to get in the race, and Parker Kligerman was driving the 96 car for the Domp Brothers. And Kyle Bush literally dropped to the tail, got on Parker's bumper, and pushed him into the Daytona 500.

And so now you can manipulate, not manipulate it, but obviously it's beneficial to have teammates. But, you know, so, yeah, just put them out there by themselves and let them duel it out and see what happens. Yeah, I think that would be exciting. Ready for reaction theater?

I know. Oh, I cannot wait. Yeah, I really doubt it. Dear NASCAR, what in the hell are you still thinking? How many 500s do we have to have rain delays in before you understand? It rains every afternoon in Florida. Throw the green flag at 105 after I get my ass out of church the way God intended. Raise hell, praise Dale.

I just have to say, Derek, can you say that? that louder for the people in the back because I think this was the number one tweet all weekend. It should be every weekend. I mean, I mean, I understand they're trying to maximize like broadcast times and all that, but has that been working out. I just don't. It's Florida. It rains every day between three and five. Between racing. I don't know the number difference, but is it a big risk starting later? And finishing at 12, 30 and not. night than it is, are you losing more by doing that than you would by losing starting at 1 o'clock or whatever?

I don't know the difference. Obviously, there's, obviously the math is pointing towards a later start time because they keep doing it, so. Smarter people than us figure that out, but I'm sitting in the rain delay, I feel like I'm pretty smart. I do understand why they do it, but it definitely sucks, especially if you're at the trip. It just ruins the mood kind of too. Like, I honestly, I think.

it's awesome the Daytona 500 ending in daylight still as well. I think it's really cool. When was the last time that happened? Trevor Bain, I don't know. I'm in the Xfinity race. I remember sitting in Victory Lane waiting for it to end and watching the sunset. It hasn't been in a long time. We won it 14, but...

16 with Denny and tricks. Yeah. That was in day, yeah. Yep. All right, next one. T.J. Major, who in the f***? You had a spot. And why in the fuck?

Would Haley Degan want you spotting for her? I wouldn't have you spot a go-kirt rach. What the hell are you doing? You belong in Mirokirt. Wow. Okay. He says Mario like Freddie. Yeah.

Just in the way he says that, I wouldn't want a spot for him anymore. Oh, I like that, Cody. Yeah, James, I think there's one for you, Freddie. That's funny. James, what have you got? Man, I wish Bubba Watson had a better spotter. If he had a spotter who knew what he was doing, he could have won that duel. That spotter is terrible.

Bubble Watson. I mean, I don't know if he wants me to caddy for Bubba Watson or if he wants Bubba Watson's caddy to spot for Bubba, I'm confused. Let me ask you this, if you had to pick right now, three-year contract from right now. Spot for Bubba Wallace, caddy for Bubba Watson. Bubba Watson. Have you seen the payoffs and every... Yeah, that's what I was wondering. I was just trying to get an idea on what your contract is.

Well, sorry, James. You invalidated your comment by being a moron. So next. Sorry, Cody says Mario. Super Mario, brothers. Okay, so T.J, look at the data all the time. When we tell you this fucking data, if you keep throwing these stupid, dumb-ass fucking blocks on your teammate,

you and him are going to win the race. So stop fucking doing it. All right, well, Jonathan thinks it's data. Duh. So that's good to know. I didn't hear anything Jonathan said because it was all beeps. Jonathan's obviously never been leading the Daytona 500 on the last lap either. Jonathan, when you get to that point, we'll have words. At that point, we can talk.

Okay. Quinn Houth calling other cars boxes on the radio has to be the best moment of this season already. Did he really do that? That's pretty funny. If that really happened, that's the... Do we have audio of that? I think, I like this guy's tone. He's like,

he's really quiet. Like a radio announcer. Kind of creepy, but funny. Quinn was mad because Byron's, you know, finger fell off. So they were complaining about it. I will say, well, I mean, you could have turned.

No, it literally fell off right in front of him. And he hit it. So, and, uh, man. That 24 had a lot of pieces flying around on it. They could, I mean, I hate the fact that they, they could have. obviously you see the stuff flying off the 24 car. Throw the caution.

You save Quinn Huff's car, which wouldn't have mattered. But you also would have saved the 14. The 14 got a bunch of damage from that wreck. Yeah, I agree. That car had a lot of work to be done on it still before it. Not to mention... Not to mention... No, the 24.

Not to mention, like, the 24, honestly, when it started getting dicey there at the end, you're going to be on the front row of the 500. I probably would have taken that. I'm pretty sure whenever Brad Casillas... is an oil change on his truck or car, whatever the hell it is. He's probably not going to ask for pens oil and never take Shell in his vehicle because F. Joy Lagano and his stupid late-ass block. I don't think, does Brad's vehicle hold oil?

Nah, Philip, you look like a complete moron for that. Because Brad's car has lithium and probably, I think it's lithium maybe. Oh. That's great. Oh, good work, Philly. Well, Mama told TJ when he was young, that data matter heard, but she was wrong. Joey crashed the field. I can't wait to hear how TJ feels.

That's pretty good. I like his voice. That was a practice. I would love to see the outtakes on that that he took. Yeah, man, I mean, you want to talk to me on lap 15, then we'll talk about that. But when you're on the last lap of the Daytona 500 year, I think, I don't know. I don't know if there's, there probably is such thing as a bad block, but I don't feel like that was a bad block. I feel like that was a guy that felt he had's winning to win, and there was a guy that thought he needed to make that move to win.

So in any position, I mean, I'm not even mad. I mean, we're going for the win. You got two guys going for the win. Yeah, I wanted to win, but shoot, man. I would expect my guy to try to make it too, I guess. I mean. All right, last one. Brett, you're on fire.

You got to get the fire put out, Brett. That was not at the race either. That was probably after the race. I think that was after. Did he see him at Titoa? That might have been at five this morning. That might be why he's not here. He hasn't answered to my text this morning.

I was going to call him at the end, so maybe we can. Let me tell you. It's not an hour. Hang out. No, it's fine. We can do you try. I can tell you if he's awake right now. All right.

Well, I think that was a great start to your reaction, Peter. That was, I mean, that was, I would give it a pretty good star. I mean, we could do better, I think. It's all right. Send them in next week. All right. Yeah, don't forget to leave an audio message 24-7. Go to anchor.

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Look the trail. I'm so sorry, Jason. Hey, donkey. Hey, donkey. Dinner, look. Pit Road. Oh my God. I have no words. Shrek and donkey.

We're definitely going to Photoshop that. Yeah, you're going to. Absolutely. Absolutely. If you're a cartoon artist and you can draw a little cartoon of a donkey Jason and a Shrek donor with a fedoron, please do it. What's that guy's name? What's one? The cartoon guy. Jason, you're not going to get this. Oh, yeah.

We're going to get him. Yeah, he's like an overseas guy, right? Argentina, I think. Yeah, he's over. Yeah, please. we're going to draw a Shrek donor with a fedora and maybe like a flannel. And then Jason's face? And Jason's face.

A red-headed donkey. He's not liking this. It's all going to be cut out. It's all going to be cut out. He'll think next time before he talks trash about us on his other podcast. Donor, look. This show's going to come out like Wednesday. It's going to be seven minutes long.

Yeah. Not even. All right. time for the offer pad question of the week do you display any of your racing accomplishments in your home and if so where T.J. probably has a little bit

bigger room than mine but Freddie has a cat. I have some old short track stuff we have a room that I've been for, we've been there almost two and a half years now and I say we, what do you mean?

The my whole family. Every single person is your last next. and his brother. And John kind of took the room over for like eye racing. So now I guess my trophy room is a man cave, is a man cave, eye racing room now. So, but that's where I keep all that stuff. I don't put a lot of it up.

I've got a little bit of stuff that I didn't know where to put in my garage like from when I was racing. A couple of fire suits for whenever I was like four and five years old. And my office, I've kind of cleaned it out. I keep my championship replica trophy in there. and a couple other things. I always keep my Martinsville clock wound up because it's awesome to hear that thing every little bit because it just reminds you of it

because that's one of the coolest trophies that you can win. I actually have two of them, so I gave one to my mother, and my dad's not thrilled about it. But no, I just keep some stuff in my office little things. I think one of my favorite things that I got in there is my goodies dad's series, Rookie of the Year trophy, because back in 2003 when you won rookie of the year,

it actually still kind of meant something. I mean, to me anyway, it did. I mean, obviously, but when you were race it against some of the guys you were, and there were some really good rookie classes, even in the Cupside and the Bush-Shery side or Exfini side, there was some really good rookie classes back then. So I've got a lot of little things in there. Not like an overabundance.

I just kind of cleaned it out, but I've got some... I always keep my favorite wins, like the 500 wins, champagne bottle. I've got that. Championship champagne bottle, got that. A couple little things. I will give him credit because they're a pretty good news. Tyler Redick actually bought me a Daytona replica trophy as well for when we won that race. And I actually got a pretty cool trophy from Ben Rose, and we won Darlington last year.

You think he's going to send you one from this week? I mean, he should. I taught him everything he knows. I'm expecting one, so, excuse me. Ben, you know where I live. All right, let's step in the fast lane where we'll put the guys against each other in a speed trivia competition. We'll see who can answer these racing, middle school level, and other random trivia questions correctly. And we also did something fun this year.

I asked the guys to fill out a survey with questions about each other, so we've got the first installment of that question. So that should be fun. All right, TJ, you're at first. Ready? Yeah. How many stage points did you get? I don't know. Oh, wow.

Did he? Is that it? How many stages? points did Joey Lugano earn on Sunday? Eight. Name a driver who finished in the same position as his car number and the day 21 of the 500. Awesome, Dylan. You're done. I'm quitting.

Who is Freddie's celebrity crush? What do I put? That's a good one. She's hot. Oh, yeah. I used to know her. I don't know, man. Cindy Crawford. What? I don't know. What are the test tubes that scientists use

cult. What? Test tubes. What's another name for? What are they called? Oh, man. I don't know. How many inches tall is a typical bowling pin?

12. All right. You got those two out of six right. Megan Fox is Freddie's Celebrity Crush. Can't you give a hint? Is it a Transformers or something? Because we all know the Transformers scene. When you say Megan Fox, there's only one image a guy has.

Do you know what I'm talking about? Nope. I haven't got for it. Do you know? A little guy behind the camera. The guy behind the camera. Alex. Yeah, he's probably not.

His name is Alex. Alex. Jason, do you know? No. Jason. He's so young. He probably's never seen Transformers. He wasn't born yet.

He might have seen like the last one. He saw Transformers 8. Listen, when she's working on that car, we all, if you Google Megan Fox. You just look it up, Jason. All right. Then you can call. test tubes a flask or a beaker. I knew that.

And then bowling pins are typically 15 inches tall. Beaker Bob. I knew it. Yeah, good work. Freddie, you ready? No. That rhymed. Go ahead.

Poet didn't even know it. Where did Bubba Wallace finish stage one? Seventh. Who finished behind Bubba Wallace on Sunday? You were on fire wrecking. I mean, uh, I wouldn't know. Oh, I do know this. 47.

Who is Brett's celebrity crush? Michael Jackson. Which planet is closest to the sun? Oh, I should definitely know this. Is Mars? No, Mars isn't on fire. I think it would be burning up. I don't know.

I can't, why couldn't I think? A sonnet usually has how many lines? No, three. All right, we got a tie game here. Shania Twain is Brett's celebrity crush. That's a lie. Mercury is closest to the sun. And a son has four.

14 lines. Would you like to perform one for us now? Yeah. Do you know what that is? Megan Fox, so hot, too. Oh, seriously, DJ. Look at that. That's it.

That's it, Jason. Can you see that? That's a pretty good shot. All right. You have no idea. Tiebreaker. Tiebreaker. I quit.

I'm just going to look at this. CJ you go first. How old is Mickey Mouse? 60. Okay, Freddie. Way older than 60, I think. I'll say 89.

Freddie is closest. Mickey Mouse is 92 years old. Two weeks in row. It's okay. TJ was too busy looking at the picture of Megan Fox. Mickey Mouse was born before Disney started? I don't know. The internet says Mickey Mouse is 92 years old.

When do you think Disney started? Not a hundred years ago. The idea of it started. Walt Disney, not for Disneyland maybe. When was Mickey Mouse created? All right, let's... DBC picks. So I win that.

I won this. So after Daytona, Freddie picked Austin Dillon and he took the victory. T.J. had Ryan Newman and Brett had Alfredo, so they both wrecked out in that first 14 lap. So Freddie had it in the bag from the beginning. Yeah, well, what else is new? So Brett has not sent me his pick yet, so we'll get out later in the week. So we'll just pick for him. Brett will take Quinn Hunt.

There we go. Good job, Brett. T.J. Your first. Where are we racing? The road course. Oh, God, I could smoke you guys. with this one right here. But I'm going to lose it later. I'm also just getting, I mean, I'm going to take Chase Elliott.

Freddie? I will take, is, uh, is Cynchrick running this week? No. Do you know? I don't know, I don't think so. Can I change my pick? I will take, take your boy and be done with it. My Bubba?

No, Danny. Oh, no, I'm not picking Danny. What are you saying he can't win? I'll take, you know how I'll take, I'll take back-to-back Daytona wins for Michael McDowell. All right. Well. Back to Daytona? Yeah, are you guys excited to go to Red Course racing?

We didn't even get talking about the clash, did we? Yeah, I mean, just the hell with it. If you can't wreck your best friend, who can you wreck? Man, I'm not. There was like, so hold on. I got, let's just, there was like two things I wanted to talk about before we get out of here, which we called. I thought the clash was actually a pretty entertaining race. I thought the middle of the clash was very boring,

but then I thought the end was, I thought the end of the race was better than what we've had in years past on the Oval. The problem with the middle is we're kind of all trying to set ourselves up for the end. But one thing that noticed about the clash is what fell off? What war out as the race went on? Tires. Exactly. How much interesting, more interesting was that race because we had tire wear?

how about how about how dark the infield was oh I know oh and the lights went out no there was no lights on did you get asked about the fog last night I told Bubba I said hey just so you know I can't see anything off the two right now okay now it's the middle of the backstretched I didn't I don't normally use my binoculars whenever we're just kind of chilling like that you had to

but and I was like I started scanning ahead just looking around I'd try and about like oh okay there he is right there yeah so Dayton a dark infield. I had this written down dark infield for the clash. How about the guy that hit the cleanup truck in the Xfinity race? Did you get to see that by any chance? I saw a replay of it. Yeah. I wasn't spotting, so I didn't know about until the next day. I don't know how that happened. I don't think anybody knows that. I don't know. I know he cut a tire or whatever and came down, but apparently he tweeted out and blamed the spotter.

Oh. Because who is driving that car? Brandon Lyons. Not the spotter, Brandon Lyons. Not the spotter. Lions, a different Brandon Lions. I think his name's Robby. Robbie Lion, sorry. Yeah, he said his spotter said nothing. But, like, I don't, what do you want? Hey, you're aiming right for a safety truck. Let me put it to you this way.

If you're driving down the road and there's 400 trucks with their flashing lights on, do you need somebody to tell you that they're up there? Now, normally, I will say stuff on the radio like they watch out for these cleanup trucks. Yeah, but still. But you should still not be relying on me to spot for 400 trucks with their lights on. I just don't like when people throw the spotter. The spotter didn't blow the tire. The spotter didn't drive you down the track right there.

You have flashing lights in front of you and stuff. It's just like even like a wand broke apart and hit a jet dryer. It's just bad timing for that stuff. I don't know. Those poor Daytona track workers. He might not have, but I had heard he got on Twitter and said his spotter didn't say anything. I don't know. I don't know.

I didn't see it. But that's not really, I mean, I told someone else the same thing you did. When's the last time you went driving down the highway and aimed for a fire truck? Yeah. I mean, flashing lights.

So, uh, me and Brett were joking during the rain delay that we need to like, you know, have like a one idiot award for the, for the week, you know, and that guy was leading right up until Clint decided during the rain delay

to tweet out that we should all just unload backup cars and put everybody back in the race. Yeah. I saw that. And I think that maybe he started drinking early that day or something. I don't know what the hell he was talking about. I don't know what the hell he was talking about. I will have to,

I think Clint has. found his calling though because he was he cannot pronounce the benedeno either so him and Brett are clearly on the same page they took the same class but I was very impressed with Clint I saw a lot I mean we knew it we talked about it on here last year you this is the perfect job for Clint Boyer after racing and the fans are going to benefit for it greatly he is one of the most entertaining people I've ever been around just even to sit and have a conversation with so I can only imagine how good the broadcast was last night I haven't gone back and watched it yet.

He was pretty good during the Xfinny race. But he, when he tweeted that out last night, me and Brett both looked at each other like, what an idiot? What is he talking about? Yeah, you're 15 Latzuna or a race. Bring it out, guys. Let's restart. And I think, didn't it rain in that race?

They tore up a bunch of cars at one time? The All-Star. But it was also the All-Star race. They rained in turn one. It was Turn 1, and it was Turn 1 lap, and they all wrecked. And they said, okay, we'll start on there. Somebody, yeah, somebody asked about that. so it was because it was not a points race they allowed it right yeah and that it was the first

like the first corner and it was NASCAR's fault that they threw the green while it was ran yeah i mean that's not like NASCAR didn't cause that wreck on that 15 you know so yeah Clint will be great though all right as long as he doesn't get to make decisions like that so yeah Daytona this week all right well thank you all for listening to our show and as always thank you to our presenting sponsor, OfferPad. If you enjoyed the show or if you want to rant about it, be sure to tweet us, tell us how you feel. Leave us a rating. Don't forget, reaction theater.

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