Door Bumper Clear - 204 – Too Easy to Drive

Episode Date: March 1, 2021

Back from Homestead-Miami Speedway, spotters T.J. Majors and Freddie Kraft share their perspectives from a fun weekend of racing at an entertaining track. They’re joined by Brett Griffin, who is fresh off his first weekend not at a race track since 1999.Tyler Reddick’s impressive late race bid fell short on Sunday. The crew analyzes why Homestead-Miami fits his driving style and why Reddick needs to win soon. Kyle Larson’s strong showing caught the spotters’ attention and they share why he may not have been as aggressive as normal.Many new players found themselves in contention on Sunday. Hear why names like William Byron and Michael McDowell fared well in a 1.5-mile track race that usually favors the heavy hitters.Martin Truex Jr. had some choice words for Denny Hamlin during the race. Find out what those were and why they aren’t surprised to hear it from Truex. Plus, their teammate Kyle Busch’s frustration leads Brett into a rant about the industry’s use of SMT data.Noah Gragson was laps away from victory in the Xfinity Series race before running into the back of David Starr. Hear how the spotters reacted, why they too are tired of dealing with slower cars and how Gragson is turning into a polarizing driver.Kyle Petty shared interesting comments about the Joe Gibbs Racing stable of drivers last week and Denny Hamlin responded. It leads the gang to discuss how developing young talent should be assessed.In Reaction Theatre, Noah Gragson hears what the fans thought of his ordeal on Saturday. Despite a quiet day on track, T.J. still hears from Joey Logano critics. One caller leaves the guys unable to respond in typical reaction theatre style.Fast Lane goes off the rails and leads to stories about who the guys took to prom. Brett fills us in on the state of his backseat after a puking accident. Lastly, Freddie tells us a story about his truck once smelling like the “ass of a giraffe.” Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You're listening to Door Bumper Clear, and I'm T.J. Majors. Freddie and I are back from Homestead, and Brett is back from a baseball game. We'll talk about Tyler Reddick running the High Line on Sunday, how Noah Gregson's Xfinity race ended, and what Kyle Petty said about veteran Joe Gibbs racing drivers. We're also going to talk about the throw-up in Brett's truck. Let's get started. Nobody's listening, but I don't care. I'm on an episode of Door Bumper Clear.

Hey, everybody, I'm T. T.J. Majors. It's part of the 22 cup car. We're missing one today, but we got a mostly full house because Freddy's here. Freddie in the house. Brett Griffin's spotter for nobody this weekend. Had a nice little first weekend off since 1999, Frederick. Are you sure it was a nice weekend?

I know. Was it up until yesterday? Yeah, I've been seeing Brett's tweet, so I know something bad happened. So it's a Freddie Craft Spotted for Bubba Wallace, Jeff Burton, Derek Krauss. Brett. First of all, we are, I don't know if anybody knows this. we've moved our studio. We're now coming to you from JRM live in Seattle, North Carolina, because it won't

stop raining. It will not stop raining here. Every day I'm home for like the last two weeks, I feel like it's rained here. Yeah. Although I got off the plane last night and it was warmer than I thought it was going to be. It was a little warm, yeah. But it was still raining. So yesterday morning, you know, it got up here and it was 40 degrees.

It was so foggy you couldn't see. I jumped in my car, headed south to Columbia. And the minute I got out of the fog, it went to 75 degrees. And the minute I get in the South Carolina, it's 80. two degrees. And the minute I get 30 minutes outside of Columbia, a kid vomits all in the back of my truck. Is that what that was? I took three kids to a baseball game. And little did I know that one of them can't have milk or ice cream. Well, guess what he had for breakfast? He had a milk shake. Ice cream. Had a milkshake and a bacon, egg, and cheese. And he proceeded to throw that up all

in the back of my car, which I have leather seats, it shouldn't be a big deal, right? But the problem is where your seatbelt clamps into the buckle. Oh, yeah. It managed to run. It managed to run. run down underneath my seat and get on my jack and my hats that I have under there and my tie-down straps. And so I think I've got it nice and cleaned up and I raise a seat. And I'm like, oh, no. So now I proceed, T.J, to clean all that up. And I feel good about it, right?

Going to baseball game, leave my windows crack, come back out. It smells horrible. So I get home, clean it up again, get in the car this morning at 7 o'clock to take kids' school. and literally Keeley was gagging the entire way to school. So I called the car wash place and I'm like, look, I've got a problem. A kid threw up in my car. And he's like, yeah, you're going to have to come leave it overnight. I was like, I can't.

I'm leaving for West Virginia today. Me and my little boy are going skiing for two days. He's like, yeah, I don't. Good luck, man. Yeah. You remember on the school bus? You remember on the school bus when a kid would throw up? It wouldn't, like, they put that powder down stuff on it.

It doesn't go away in like a day. When you get on that bus the next morning, or like, oh, it's still here. And plus, it's wet. Like, it's down in there. You think you got it again, but no, man, it's still in there. I've had that happen. You know what I would do?

Just buy another truck if I was used. Well, that's a Brad Little, a friend of ours. So he sees my tweet this morning and he texts me. He said, trade it in. I said, Brad, I just got a new truck. Like, this truck is three months old. He's like, get another one anyway. Just get another one.

It's over. Yeah. You'll never. You especially knowing you, that smell is always going to be there. Whether it's there or not, in your mind, it's always. always going to be there. Yeah. You're going to smell it for a while.

I think it'll eventually, it'll eventually go away, but you're going to smell it for a little while still. I loaded my whole truck. It looks like it snowed inside of my truck because all the bacon soda. You need to, yeah, you definitely need to, he's probably right. You need to take it somewhere and let one of them people scrub on it for a day and soak it out. How was Homestead? Anybody puked down there? I mean, first it was Daniel Suarez last week.

Then this week it's in my truck because I made fun of him puking in Spanish. And now- That's karma coming back on you. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is smart ass.

And this is what happens. So, Homestead, anybody but? No. No, I wouldn't be long enough. No, nothing really. I mean, it was pretty much a tame weekend. There was a couple wrecks on the racetrack, but there wasn't really a whole lot of, uh, of action.

I mean, the racing was great, I thought. It's pretty good, but they're still, they have too much control, in my opinion still. The cup cars? Oh, yeah. I'm just talking about overall weekend, but. Yeah. We fly out during the Xfinney race the last two weeks. So I don't, I watch literally the first.

first 10 laps and then we took off and then I landed and it was near the end of the race. It's just such a great track to where the driver matters, especially in the Xfinity series. When you see Brett Moffitt and Tyler Reddick jump in them hour motorsports cars and drive straight, you know, Reddick started deep. He drove straight to like the top 10 somewhere, 7th, 8th and the top 10 by the first stage. You know, they were in contention all night long. I thought Brett had the race won. and then Noah

what we saw I think trending that whole night was if you had a long run say 35-ish plus laps on tires the guys that could run the top the very top run against the wall were the guys that stood out and Noah was the guy Noah and Reddick were the guys in the race on Saturday

where Noah just I mean he had old time Brett come in put tires on drove to the lead and then with I don't know 10 12 lap older tires Noah ran them back down caught him and passed out and drove away Yeah. So that, and then the rhetoric, you know, we'll talk about it later, I'm sure.

But just the way them guys got that top work and at the end was pretty incredible. Xfinity cars drive a lot like the old cup cars used to, the way you can run the fence and have the, and many of things on edge. You know what the perfect All-Star race would be? Our cup drivers and Xfinity Series cars at Homestead. Yeah. That'd be a show. Just, I mean, the Xfinity package all together.

What about a cup motor in the Xfinity cars? with the cup guys. Well, right now, the Xfinity has more motor. Yeah, but I'm saying like the big cup motor. The 750? Yeah. But the 750 motor in the Xfinity cars. But like just the package altogether in Xfinity, I like so much better.

First of all, like I think you reference this. Like the length of the race is way better. But not only that tire strategy, there's, we came in the other night, we ran one lap on tires and came in and put stickers on. And we stayed out and we should not have. Yeah. And I mean, but that shouldn't even be an option. You know what I mean?

And we still had like three sets laying for the last 100 laps. Like the Xfinity race, you had to budget your tires. All right, you know, we're going to have to stay out here because we pitted, you know, like in our instance, I was spotting for Jeb. We pit with whatever it was. Ten to go stage one. Yeah. And drove to third or fourth where we finished, got stage points. But then at the end, that same scenario happened where a caution came out with ten to go in the second stage.

And we had to stay out because we already used a set of tires. And the cup race, you're just coming in fire. We were running before you in that first stage before you? We were about 12th to 15th. So the tires gained you 7, 8 stage points. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Wait.

I mean, it was a- You weren't going to get any. No. And then the second stage, we stayed out. We were running about 10th or 12th again. And we ended up having a really good restart and finished 9th. We were like the third guy that stayed out. So we still got a stage point.

But all the guys that picked got up there and got their stage points. But that track position helped you get to that point. So it was probably a good call that first stage. But I'm just saying like you have to make those decisions. If it's the cup race, everybody's coming in with tend to go in that stage. Everybody's coming in and tend to go to the next state. I wish there was a smaller budget of tires to where these cruechies had to make decisions based on not using all their stuff.

But we didn't, honestly, though, man, we used to have an issue with that. And I think we would if these guys actually had to fight the cars a little bit more. Like we don't have, like we were just talking about, the right size on most of them cars were clean. Yeah. Like there's no way. Exfinity cars weren't. Cup cars were. There's no way Anthony Alfredo, nothing against Anthony.

There's no way Anthony Alfredo should go to Homestead and have a completely clean car. And even, shoot, man, even the guys that would run on front would nick it once in a while, you know, when they ever happen to wheel it. And I think one of the biggest things that this package brings at Homestead is you don't have to run the wall. Like, you know what I mean? Like I remember an old cut package, like, after 15, 20 laps, it was like, you better be up there and haul an ass because if not, you're giving up time. Now you can move down, you can straddle that top seam, you can run just above it, you can run below.

Yeah, we're too quick. There's way more options because of how much downforce they've got. Yeah. So, you know, that's, I think that's, that also plays in the fact why you don't see guys of right-side damage because they don't have to run up against the wall like we used to. Yeah, but when they do run up there, they look way more. I know they're a little loose off of four, but they're in more control, I think. Yeah.

Like, you said, like if you watched, the only time that it happened was Redick at the end of the race where, you know, tires are completely worn out. There's no grip left, and now you've got to get up there in haul ass. Casey Boat is not in studio today, so I'm Jason Schultz. I'm going to lead the ring. I messed that up. Ring lead the ring. And Jason, hey, first one of the day, Jason, put your dollar in the swear to.

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Freddie spot on, spot off. I mean, spot on. Casey was here. I would tell her thanks for helping me out with my DBC pick. But yeah, he was hauling ass at the end of that race. I thought he was going to wreck one time. I don't know if you guys got a chance to see it, but I looked up there and they were bat on their ass off.

and he, True X's on the bottom. Tyler was in the middle, and Kyle kind of squeezed Tyler. And he was dead sideways in the middle of one and two, and I don't know how he saved it, but he just regrouped, went back and passed them both in the next two laps. But, I mean, like I said,

when the tires wore out and there was no grip, the top was the place to be. And if you could make that very top work, you were going to haul ass. And I was surprised, and Tyler's obviously been great. I didn't want him two Xfinity championships, but I was surprised that the lack of the five running up there,

you know and is that you know Larson's always been the best at when we go there with the cup cars and I was wondering if that, if you guys think that was a product of no practice because I know practice he gets that dialed in you know that's all he doesn't practice is where that top groove out so he's dialed in

so was he not doing it because no practice and was Reddick so much better at it because he ran the race the night before I think Reddick 100%'s better at it because he ran a race night before I mean to TJ's point he didn't get to watch the Xfinity race did Kyle Larson get to watch it or was he flying too? I'm not a big study film guy. I like to go back

and watch a little bit of stuff. I'm more of a watch the race the day before because the track tendencies tend to show up. I think Tyler learned a lot. I mean, again, he wasn't in a great car. He went out, had a great finish, helped his confidence. I got to say spot off, man, this is a place this kid's got to get a win. We saw him start off the year last year on fire. And then by the middle of the summer, he completely went away, missed the playoff, wasn't relevant the rest of the year. Austin Dillon, the second half of the year, exact opposite. He got hot. Tyler's got a win, man. If you see these kids like William Byron this weekend,

it's the second win ever. If you don't win, you don't stay around like you used to. I mean, we used to see guys come in, stick around eight to ten years, the Johnny Bitsons of the world, right? Nice guys, good with sponsors. It's not that way anymore. You got to win or they kick your ass out of here.

Spot on for him digging at the end. He made it interesting. So, but I don't, I think, I don't think Larson needed to run that race. I just think this is Larson. This is the product of the package. like the press you don't like we talked about a few minutes ago you don't have to run against the fence and obviously i think the hendrick cars had speed i don't know what happened to the nine midpoint of the

race but he was fast there and the 24 was fast 48 was fast they just had a lot of speed um and i don't think um in if we did run a race like we talked about where it didn't have as much down for us and yet or the car arson would have been right up there in that exfini race wearing like probably I mean, he, yeah, but I think it didn't take him long to learn that road course that he's never ran a lap at before. I mean, he started inside the top five or six or whatever, and he ran inside the top ten. I had a shot at winning all day. So, Larson, he adapts severely quickly to things. I mean, he had never run a lap at that road course.

I mean, not in nothing, but a simulator. More so than Kyle, though, I'm just talking about, you know, what he, remember, new team for him, new crew chief, new setups. you know, if he has that practice, does he have the ability to get up there and dial his, not only himself, but his car into running the very top where now, if he tries it, now we go fast forward to Sunday, we're in the middle of the race, he goes up there. Now he knows what he needs to be up there, but he doesn't have that feel. You know, that's why I'm just, you know, I just think this package is going away from that type of stuff.

Oh, yeah. I think that if we had a caution in the middle of that stage, you never hear from Toleretic. I think that, you know, if we have a caution with 30 to go, if we, you know, if just say you split that last 60 laps up and you've got a caution with 30 to go Tyler Redick runs 10th but because we ran 60 laps and the tires wore out it gave him the ability to have that you know just what he's been great at it for years won him two championships yeah get up on the wall and and haul ass and that's you know that was just a product of the long run this is kind of what I meant last week whenever I think things are just different now like I think Larson's probably the best him and him and

Redick and Bell's pretty good at it, are probably the best running the top. I think Reddick is the best driver in the field at Homestead, period. Everybody talks about how great Larson is, and I don't disagree with you. Homestead Tyler's really good, yeah. But Larson has speed, but Larson tears the right side off his car and never finishes those races. We always talk about how fast Kyle Arson is at Homestead. He never finishes. How many wins do you have there?

None. Yeah. But I mean, Noah Grayson should have won the last three races there as well in Nixfini car, but Tyler is definitely probably, probably the best at Homestead right now. but I definitely, if we ever have a little bit more of a rain delay, I think we don't have to run that daylight. Like, when just get up to the wall earlier, I think Tyler is more of a factor early because he wasn't very good in the beginning part of the race. And you saw cars that were good in the beginning fade.

17. Yeah, I mean, we were better in the beginning, too. I mean, we weren't a top five car, I don't think. But, like, Brad faded pretty decently. I noticed that too. I even told Bub on the radio, I said, now that the sun's down, I said the stuff's going to the top a lot faster than it has been on restarts. Yeah.

But, I mean, what shocked me the most after the race was when I went and looked at the top seven, and there were five guys in the top seven that did not consistently run in the top seven last year. And for me, man, I'm literally, I'm picking this thing up, and you know who you expect to see? Martin Truex, Denny Hamlin, Kyle Busch, Kevin Harvick, all the normal guys. And a couple of them were in there. But I did not expect to see, you know, William Byron. win the race. I didn't expect to see

Ryan Newman. I didn't expect to see Michael McDowell. I mean, here's a guy. Medaal's running the bottom. Here's a guy that I walked out of the Daytona 500 going, man, good for him. It's a fluke win.

He won't be relevant the rest of the year. And holy cow, he's got three top tens. What's he like third or fourth in points? I mean, we all know why I was running good. I mean, he's, he's, but regardless of why he's running good, TJ, I didn't expect to see him run good. So I will give him, Drew Clayton props.

Congratulations. And he, the impressive part to me was he was doing it on the bottom and three and four the entire time. Like, would not move off the bottom. He ran the bottom. And I'm like, normally you just move up and like, yeah, we got this guy. I mean, I'm like, three back inside, on the line. Still there. Still there.

Still there. Yeah. But, hey, just see, you're aware, Freddie. At 2.28 a.m. Looks like Freddie lucked out. sorry I didn't put it in the fence like I normally do. Tyler? Yeah, he texted me last night too.

Or I sent him a message because I feel bad for the kid because he was got out. He's bummed out. I'm like, man, you drove your ass off. But he's got to be bummed out. I know he's got to be bummed out. I know he's got to win. And he said, like if I made a couple more different decisions on restarts and stuff like that to put myself a little bit closer, you know, it's a different race. Because he was, I mean, by far the fastest car on the racetrack.

I mean, not even close. And if that race is, I don't know, 10 more laps, he's got a good shot at winning the race. I mean, I said two years ago on the show, and Jimmy said he was retiring. I said, that's who I'd put in the 48. I think he's probably the most underrated guy in our Cup series right now. And obviously, a place like Homestead, he can shine. But the problem is you get to a place like Texas where you're in the throttle so much, that's taking it out of the driver's hands and putting it into the engineer's hands

and into the crew chief's hands and into the Arrow Department's hands. And the driver can't shine. Guess what gets to shine at Homestead, the driver. So we just talked about Kyle Larson a little bit, and he led some laps and finished P4. It was his first mile and a half race in over a year. And if you remember on the first episode of the year, T.J. was not a big fan of Larson getting back in the car and be able to succeed. So let me play this clip real quick, and then I'll have Brett and Freddie react. You know, I think it's still going to be a learning curve for Kyle, but he's obviously got tons of talent and adjust well to everything he gets in and haste fast and everything.

Well, I mean, he hasn't been gone for 10 years. He ran this package last year. Yeah, but I think it's... I think it's just different now. T.J. It's so different, he finished fourth. I mean, I picked him to win, too, so are you going to play that? You are the hands-down the best guy at NASCAR of saying one thing and then contradicting your own self. Kyle Larson's not going to be that good. I'm going to pick him to win. I didn't say it wasn't going to be that good.

I picked him to win, but I think it's going to be. You said a steep learning curve. This isn't the typical blast offense five laps in Homestead that we've had in the past, where, you know, where he, that's a guy that can. So what you're saying is he gets the quick learner award. He seemed to adapt. He adapted pretty well. He adapted really well with that road course.

He's a world-class talent. He's probably the best driver in the world right now. Across multiple platforms. He's one of them guys that you could take, put him in a sprint car, a cup car, an indie car, a formula one-long car, and he's going to be fast. World of Outlaw, Superdard Late Model, it don't matter. Yeah, that super late model, the late model that he drove on dirt it, maybe Port Royal or something during the summer last year, that's unreal that he gets in there and does that stuff.

Out of the box. Yeah, he's decent. He's okay. I think he's going to be all right. I just think this package is not the Kyle Larson package. So this is if... No, and we saw that when he was running, you know, like last year. This, you know, we talked about when this package came out, we talked about it's taking away the talents of Kyle Larson.

It's a company package now. This company's fast. That company's fast as a whole now. It's not, it's not, okay, we're going here. This guy's got a knack. Like Kyle Busch used to be sideways at Dover every time off a turn four. and just knows that place. I feel like, I mean, I'm not disagreeing with it.

I think Kyle Larson is probably one of the most affected drivers by this package because he's just able to drive the hell out of anything. But he's still the best driver probably in the field, so he's going to adapt to it just as fast as anybody else. Speaking of Kyle Busch, all right, I'm obviously following the race on Twitter yesterday, and Jor Bianchi tweeted, Kyle Busch is baffled why he's struggling so badly while Martin Truex Jr. is leading. Apparently the 19 and 18 had similar setups.

and Kyle Bush asked, what am I doing wrong? And when I read that tweet, you know the first thing I thought is I hate SMT. I hate the fact that Kyle Bush is questioning himself, one of the best drivers in the field. He's wanting somebody on top of a pit box to tell him what he needs to do differently. He's wanting the spotter to get information from an engineer that's looking at a computer to tell him what he's doing differently. I just want to take this time right now to say I hate SMT. I'm telling you one thing. So I really never used SMT as a tool a lot.

I mean, I used it in the past, but never, like, studied it and worked hard on it. And we obviously went to the track this week with a very similar setup to what the 11 had there last year who won the race. So I was focused on the 11th SMT leading up to this race, and I called wheels and I asked them if it was broken. Because, like, just looking at you, I'm sure you've done this, TJ, looking at Danny's throttle trace through the middle of a corner is astounding. Like I can show it to you on my phone. I took pictures and sent him to the Bubba. But that should not, like, I hate the fact that other people can see that because that's an advantage for Denny.

It should be proprietary information. Like, what he does, I feel like it's completely, I looked at a couple different guys and some guys are similar, but he's still like completely different than anything I've ever seen before. And that shouldn't be known to the entire world, I feel like, because that's his niche. That's what's making him better. That's what's making him haul ass through the center of a corner when he can do it. and now I know about it.

What the hell? I mean, like, I know how to, like, I can, you know, tell Bubba, this is what we got to do. Or whatever. It's still, I mean, you still have to execute it, you know, if you can do, you know, if you can manipulate the throttle like he does. It's a cheat sheet. But still, yeah, it's, it's giving you the outline of how to do it. Now you just got to try to apply it.

I am not a fan of me having an advantage in it being given to T. Or vice versa. If T.J. has an advantage over me. There's no reason why I should be able to look at it and go, oh, now I get to know all his secrets. It's proprietary information. It pisses me off, but everybody can see it, and I'm done random. It's not as bad now. I mean, honestly, with the packages that we run, it's not nearly as, it's not nearly as much now. Like, it's useful for drivers, but with the package that we run, everyone's in the same box now. You're closer together. So there's not as many tricks to do,

you either wide open or you're not, basically. You know what I mean? Like these mile and a half, You're wide, not a homestead, but we go to, you know, Kansas or Texas, place like that, where you're basically wide open the entire time. It's not as, not as, you can't use it as much. But, yeah, I mean, this is why Kyle got mad right in the beginning when it came out. I mean, I saw Denny Strottle Trace last night, and it's, like, I looked at, I saw it myself. It's insane. I came back last night and started looking at SMT stuff, so.

All right, next topic. Martin Shooks, Jr. says, what the F, Denny? F-Con move was that. After the 11 slid in front of him coming to the stage two finish, and they both lost. So, Freddie? It's not going over well at this table. Please defend him. Does Martin not know the rule?

I mean, what's his problem? Does he not know Denny's always right? I mean, did you not see this at all? So, come into the one lap state, like literally took the green, come back to Green Checker. Oh, that's fun. 11 and 19 are on the front row. and 11 throttles up off a 4 trying to get clear and did not and he's just like 11's hanging on I mean the 19s on his corner he just keeps

running him out of room and just opens the door for Byron to drive by both of him win the stage and I just think it I don't know I mean it's just a point we saw it all weekend I feel like where at that point you're kind of committed to you're coming up the 10 came up on the 12 said he got tight there we saw it in the infinity race with the 7 and the 98 you know I just think you're kind of praying the guy catches you a break at that point, and neither one of them were willing to give an inch

and kind of cost himself. It's the last lap of a stage. It kind of cost himself. It's not going to cut you a break then. Cost yourself, you know, both costs Gibbs a stage win, you know, where you should be, you know, you're coming to green side-by-side front row. I think you can do everything you can to make sure

one of you at least wins the stage. TJ definitely will be on or spot off. I'm spot off on Martin's comment, just because, like, He, in my opinion, over the last course of the last five years, just complains about everything. What would Martin have done? What would Martin have done if the rolls are reversed? He's going to just hold the bottom and let Danny win the stage?

No, I don't think so. So race. It's a race. It's a race. Danny's trying to win the stage. Martin's trying to win the stage. And, yeah, he got tight, screwed the both up and Byron won. But if the rolls of reverse, what's Martin going to do?

Just hold the bottom and let Danny drive around the outside. So what you're saying is Denny was racing like Ligano. No, I don't think. I think they were just throttled up, like, trying to get everything they come. could. And Danny was, I mean, he was more than three quarters of the way clear. He should, you know, he was just trying to throttle up to get clear and get in front of him, and he didn't do it. And he ran them both up the hill and the 24 got there. But, you know, I just don't understand.

What was Martin going to do if the rolls are reversed? That's all I would like to know. I honestly think Martin gives him a lot of room. I do. And then he loses. Well, I finished a second in the stage. Okay, well, you just said you've got to run hard as you can for the stage wins. Yeah, I do. But I don't. You're going to give it away from. I don't see that. Just watching Martin drive over the last.

handful years, Martin's not the type to go up there and do that, in my opinion. That's fine. We always talk about here every point matters. Hey, I'm spot off for the effort. Just thinks they were teammates, you know? Oh, yeah. I mean, it's probably not really a, probably not really an issue if they're not teammates, so. All right, next topic. Noah Gregson says, what are you going to do? You've got dipped f***es in the way every single week after running into the back of David Star while leading with two laps to go in the X-Sfinity series race. Brett, spot on, spot off. on Noah should go kick his ass.

He should go kick the 47's ass, the 48's ass, and then that guy's ass. I mean, Noah had been committed to the top. He had been doing everything he could to win the race. He had a huge lead, and it got screwed up because Derek Cope got in the way again. David Starr. I'm sorry. David Starr. It could have been Derek Cohn.

It looked the same thing. It could have been easily been Derek Cote, but it was David Starr. You're right. So, man, I really hated to see those guys. I mean, Dave Ellens obviously knows how to bring fast race cars at racetrack. When you look at what Tyler Redick accomplished there with Dave and at JRM, I mean, heartbreaking, man. I will say this, though, and Freddie and I were texting yesterday, along with a high-profile media member about our opinions on it. And if I'm Noah Gragson, I know I have an eight or nine second lead, I do not want to get to the outside of any of those morons.

I'm going to run the bottom. If I lose a half a second, who cares? You're still going to pass David Starr, get clear, win the race. So I was, I hated to see it for Noah because, again, you couldn't have drove a better race and couldn't have been more dominant. And I hated to see those guys lose like that. Those lap cars are just complete idiots and it drives me nuts. So I'm spot off because I'm spot off because I agree with Noah.

There are dips out there. but it's your job to know who the dips are and put yourself in better position. The 13 had been running the same line for the entire race, and it was the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen, where he'd drive in the corner on the bottom, and by the center he's driving straight across the racetrack, three lanes to the top. And the video, I can't see his entry on the video,

but I see where he's at, and he's in the middle of the racetrack, and I don't know if he's, I'm assuming he's still in that same line, maybe coming up a little bit, claiming he's going to give Noah the top. But if you're running this guy down with a nine-second lead, one, you know it's David Starr who is a disaster to race with at all times on the racetrack, period. When I spotted for Garrett Smithley, we kind of ended up racing him a lot, and it was a nightmare. And these guys back there are trying to, a lot of these guys, Johnny Davis World, Carl, I mean, Jimmy Means, these guys just don't want their cars to get wrecked. They really don't care where they finish.

They don't want their cars to get wrecked. So a lot of these guys race kind of passively, and then you've got this guy in the middle of that, just trying to run on your door every chance he gets, whatever. So you know, and this ain't the first time he's had trouble in lap traffic. So you know this is the guy you're catching. You know this is the line he's running. You know you have a nine-second lead.

You have to put yourself in a better situation with two laps to go. All right, hey, coming up on David Starr right here, be smart. You know this guy. Give him a little bit extra room. Don't go to the outside. Because even if something happened with the tire, obviously. We saw all the pictures, tires coming apart, tire blue. But even if the tire doesn't blow, he's still in the,

these two-thirds of the way up the racetrack. So now you're going around him with a lane and a half to work with. That's just not a move I would put myself in with a nine-second lead with two laps to go. Very rarely, TJ, did these tires just blow, though? Like you usually get away. I heard it was, quote, courting. It was apart. The tire was up.

But what happens is, TJ, they'll shake. They'll give you a warning. Like, I mean, do you think the guy should have drove in the corner that hard? Um, I think, I think, obviously it's probably not the first time that Noah had passed that car that race. So I'm sure, I don't know how many laps down David Starr was, but I'm sure Noah has passed him a lot. So he's probably, and you build a... He was on a lead lap. Wasn't he 15?

But I'm sure he's passed him that race, though. I mean, I'm sure he took wave rounds and stuff. No, he was actually pretty decent, but there were so many cautions, dude. There were caution to have to caution. But, I mean, I think you plan on that guy going to the corner. and the way it went up the racetrack from the video I saw, that was pretty quick. And I don't think, I think, I know Noah had a big lead,

but it's really, if you run 80%, you're still going to run the same line that you've been running. You're just not going to chance it getting into the wall or anything like that. I think it's just a freak thing, man, and wrong spot, wrong time. You know, he could have been going to the bottom. The very same thing could have been saying, David's Darke could cut that tire, have that tire going out and brush the wall and hang a left, not no, no, no, it was there, and clean him out that way. And then everyone's going to be like, well, I didn't know what just keep running the lane he was going to run, you know, or people are going to say the opposite, no matter what. But that's just bad time. That's racing. People have cut tires on the last lap, have had bad things happen. Lots of things have happened last lap to people. So just one of them things is going to go down and we're going to be looking at replays of this for a while. And I don't necessarily know that there's anything. thing. Noah, sure, he could have had a seven-second lead. Okay, but you still have to go. You know,

you have to go, but just the way the car went to the wall, though, I think it was just a freak accident. Once you commit to the top, like Noah, I mean, he committed to the top. You can't just, you can't just turn left. It's not a cup car. I bet Noah wishes he had that lap back. I bet he would, I bet he would be more patient. I bet he would be more methodical. I would be willing to say that when he hit David Starr, it looked like he was still in the gas, even though David was literally right in front of him. Like, I just, obviously, you call him on the car. Well, that's how abrupt to happen, though. That's what I'm saying. Like, and I know David Starr has been right in the groove sometimes when you're catching him and stuff, but like Freddie was saying that he was actually

fairly, fairly competitive this race. So you don't expect a guy that's got okay speed to just go and hit the wall, you know, and I don't think, Davis-Sar is not one that's really going to overdrive the entry. It might be. He's usually on the, he's in the way. He's in the way. but he's usually just a conservative in the way. He is that in the way. But I mean, he's not going to hit the wall at that point. I just think there's certain guy, like if you're coming up on B.J. McLeod in that situation, yeah, you commit to the top. You're good. You know B.J. is going to be out of the way.

But B.J. knows in his mind the leader is coming. His spotter is telling him the leader's coming. And B.J. doesn't go in there and try to run 100%. This is my point. BJ lives early. He gets to the bottom. He gives you the whole race track. This is my point. You know, but I'm not saying David Starr's right. but you know that's what David Starr is going to do. He's an idiot. He's going to race hard every lap. So, you know, you've got to know the difference in the people you're racing with. You know, and I'm not saying you're going to slow down and wait for every lap car,

but there's guys you've got to know. You've got to give a little bit extra room. You've got to be a little bit more patient around. If he felt something beforehand, he should have been way down out of the way. I agree. But if that, if that, it looked like it's not, I mean, it just went quick. I mean, it went quick. And I looked at the rest of them like, oh, those tires stuff.

And I saw the picture last night of the tire courting him. Look, I mean, accidents happen. I don't think, even at that point, I don't think he drives down in there and just walls it in front of the leader. And not to mention that team, those guys don't want to tear up race cars. They can't, you know, so. The best tweets I saw all night that came out of the Xfinity race were, man, just imagine if we could come to a place like this and run a championship race. Because that Xfinity race, dollar for dollar, they don't get any better. It was phenomenal.

Yeah, I don't, not just the Xfinity race. Imagine a green white checker. With the cup race. I mean, shoot, I was nervous with 15 to go. There'll be no. There's no chance you're ever going to convince me that Phoenix is going to be a better championship race than Homestead would be. I don't know that there's a track on the schedule besides maybe a plate race or like a Martin'sville. That you can convince me are going to be better than Homestead.

I mean, California would have been a good one. Obviously, that's going away. But, I mean, Homestead puts on the best racing. The whole state of California is going away or just the race track. I know you wish the whole state of California would go away, but we're going to just go away. but we're going to just go with the racetrack for now. I mean, he's got a win in Napa. Yeah.

Wine country. Some comments from earlier in the week last week about from Kyle Petty on NBC, a little broadcast they did. Kyle Petty says, if I'm a veteran driver at the Gibbs organization, I'm looking over my shoulder as the young JGR drivers were succeeding with Ty Gibbs and Christopher Bell winning last week. Denny responded on Twitter saying,

choose your media sources wisely, folks, and included script. screenshots of links to an article about his contract extension in a graphic of him first in points after the Daytona Road course, then says it's unlikely he has any clue what's going on. Brett, spot on, spot off. First of all, I'm spot on for Kyle's comments because Kyle's job as a media member is to make people think. The Christopher Bell reference to me is completely irrelevant. Christopher obviously has already won a race at Gibbs and has already embedded in the Cup series. So there's not like he's going to kick out one of the other guys. You know, clearly Ty Gibbs is a development guy. I would say Ty Gibbs is either going to end up driving for Denny Hamlin or for Joe Gibbs, right?

That makes the most sense. But that's not going to happen overnight. I could see two, three years down the road. Him taking the place of any of those three guys. I mean, Martin, Kyle, Denny, they're all 40-ish. And I mean, look, man, we know how this sport is. At some point, they'll squeeze you out, whether it's money-based or it's performance-based. You never know where these guys are going to be in two, three years,

where the money's going to be in two, three years. And obviously, Ty's deeply embedded in the Gibbs organization and Toyota. So I don't fault Kyle for saying this. I think it's awesome, though, that Denny comes back and takes some jabs. Clearly, there's something in the air there between those two guys. Yeah, I don't, I mean, like you said, Ty Gibbs, he can go out and win every Xfinity start he has this year. I still don't think you see him in Xfinity until probably 2023 at the earliest. In Xfinity?

I'm sorry, in Cup. At the earliest. So now you're looking at, I think Truex did a deal this year, which all their deals are like two or three years, I think. So now you're talking about the end of True X's deal or the end of Kyle's deal. Denny, you know, I think he just re-up for another three. So that's probably put you to like 24 range. But these guys, I mean, I get what you do. I get what you're doing.

You're trying to have us talk about it. Have people talk about what you're saying. So that's a good move on his part. That's what you're paid to do is have people talk about, you know, what you're talking about. But I just don't, I mean, I felt like it was pretty irrelevant. like it's it's not it's two three years down the line at the earliest i mean the you got to know that there's been they've got a plan there's a zero chance that gibbs doesn't have a plan somewhere in their head where they would like hit tie to be doing um and if tie goes out and is really successful i feel

like we've been listening watching tie race for like 10 years and he's only like what 18 19 or whatever 18 yeah yeah and um he's been winning for a handful of years now and he i do think think he needs this year and complete year next year at least. And if he goes out next year and wins five, six races, I think so they're going to have to find a spot for him somewhere. But the example of this, to me, is Hendrick. Hendrik's taken, they've started signing all these young kids, and now they're starting to be, I mean, William just won.

You got Larson in there and Bowman in there. I bet you could add up all theirs and not even get close to one of Gibbs guys as far as I mean I don't know what do you think you know more about that area I would say Chase Ellie is making bank the other three probably aren't yeah but chase is probably but minus chase I mean that how many we're talking millions right millions and millions millions of dollars difference yeah yeah you think Chase makes more the other three combined yes pay salary I mean he is a champion not that I agree. Base salary, hands down. Yes. I think there are drivers in the Cup series right now that their salaries are capped. And I don't mean their salary. Let me rephrase that.

Their earnings are capped. No matter how well you do, no matter how many races you win, you're capped at how much money you can make because there's inventory available on those cars. And when you have inventory available, as an owner, you've got to get that money back from somewhere. So that's going to be the purse, right? So when you hear that, you know, teams have a sponsorship available, that money's got to come from somewhere. It's going to have come from a purse. Well, guess who that makes lose money?

The driver. You know, I think, and we talked about this either last week or the week before, you know, more Toyota teams. And the point of more Toyota teams is to give yourself options. Because in years past, you had guys coming up through in Toyotas, whether it be truck or Xfinity, and you kind of, all right, we don't have anywhere to put them right now. You know, so you end up with Christopher Bell in the 95 or whatever.

Haley digging to Ford. Yeah, like, hey, it goes a Ford. But now with 2311 or with, you know, rumors of other teams going to Toyota, now you've got options. Now, you know, one guy, I see speculation on this all over the Internet, Twitter, Reddit, wherever. I can tell you one guy that I don't think will ever run at 2311, and I think that's Denny Hamlin. I think Denny Hamlin is going to run the 11 car until his career is over. And then, you know, maybe the last couple of years, maybe do something with his own team.

But I think he has no interest in driving one of his own race. Here's what I don't think the comments cover, and that is the Harrison Burtons of the world. Yeah. Brandon Jones. The Brandon Jones of the world. Daniel Hemrick, I'm not going to put in that conversation yet because he just got the Toyota. But, you know, those guys are heavily in bed with Toyota and have been their entire career. So where do they go and when do they go?

And that's the question, right? If somebody's on their heels, it's not Ty Gibbs just yet. Yeah. I think they've got a good crop coming. You know what I mean? They've got a good group of kids. They've been grooming. and Brandon Jones, I think he's gotten really,

he's gotten really good at the Xfinity cars. He knows how to drive him. Once he stopped wrecking, he's fast, man. If he drives at a 9 out of 10 the whole race, he's probably, he finds the lead near late in the race, and he's good. I mean, he just seems to always have some bad luck or fight. He always gets himself in some trouble at some point.

But Harrison, to me, is still, we saw him when he was in Kyle Trucks. We weren't really sure if he was going to, if he was going to keep growing. To me, he's showing, he's still growing. Four ex-finity wins. I see Harrison still getting better and better.

And obviously, Ty coming in there, winning the road course, and Ty seems to have a good head on the shores. They could have, I mean, Ty and Harrison and possibly Brandon Jones down the road, is they could be a great group to have in there. It would be interesting to see Ty this, no, where we go this week? Phoenix or, no, Vegas, then Phoenix. It'll be interesting to see Ty and have Phoenix race. where it's very easy to get frustrated,

no matter how good your car is, when you're stuck in dirty air, and it's hard to pass. I want to see Ty at a mile and a half. That's what I want to see, Ty. But those cars are quick a mile and a half, so he's probably going to have speed to start with. Yeah, I think none of it's easy,

but I think it's almost easier. You have more maneuverability at a mile and a half versus a place like Phoenix, where you're kind of locked in. It's hard to pass, no matter how good your car is. I know Ty can get it done from the top five at a mile and a half track.

I want to see what happens when they have a pit road panel or something and Ty has to get through the pack and move around and be patient at times and wait for the, wait for the mistakes of the other cars. Those are, that's what, that's where I want to see Ty and see how he does in them situations. Brad Kislauski had an interesting tweet in response to all this too. He said, this is also crazy. And then he put his next text in quotes as if it's coming from someone else, maybe a team owner's perspective. Are you younger and can we pay you less? Do you have any followers on social media? Yes, we like you. What's that? You've never won,

let alone contend for a couple. no big deal then he said there are tons of great drivers young drivers but the hype train is insane brad brad is not wrong i mean i mean he sounds like sour grapes when he says it but he's not wrong i don't think no the hype train and it only gets it only gets longer when they do good too it'll run over you be careful he'll run over you what's what's your checklist when you're trying to sell jeb burton the chedd chedd the chedd's like where are you like is that is that is that relevant you know, your Twitter followers, your social activation. Everything right now is about telling a story for these brands, right?

And you need to align with the brands. I mean, Jeff Burton was a chosen one for Nutriac Solutions because of his background. And it was outdoors. It was agriculture. It was farming. Ward's a big landowner. Ward owns a foundation that goes out and captures land and makes it to where nothing can ever be built on it.

He protects our planet. So when you're looking at sponsors right now and you're looking at drivers, it has to align with their personalities. They have to be an ideal brand ambassador or it's flat out not going to work. And then, to your point, the hype train, right? Got to show some promise. Jeb showed a lot of promise here,

running a part-time schedule for JRM. But, man, when you look at these brands, these are big-time brands doing big-time things and you've got to be able to tell a story. Happy birthday Bob Pockris before we move on. Is it Bob's birthday? It is Bob's birthday. Happy birthday, Bob.

Happy birthday, Bob. I don't think we've ever wished anybody a happy birthday. Oh, that's the first thing. Bob deserves him. Maybe each other. He's got to be 73. I would say he's close to 80. Bob's the reason I know where I start next week already.

I mean... Yeah. Bob's like... So we were talking about it in our group me or whatever, and it was like, oh, Bob's got to start 19th. We'll see when the lineup comes out. And it's like, if Bob tells you it's Easter, you better start dying your...

Got your eggs, baby. Bob is so knowledgeable. He's so good about past events. He's like, nah, they really have never done anything for this in the past. I wouldn't expect much. The only thing I got to give Bob crap about was I've seen a tweet this week where people were complaining about the 348 start time. And he's like, well, you got to remember this was scheduled to be the California race. So, Bob, we've started 330 every week so far.

So I don't care what race it was scheduled to be. I don't care for him in Brazil, Bob. We're still going at 3.30 Eastern. This thing could be in Hawaii right now, and we're going to start a 3.30. Yeah. Although Bob did tell one of the best stories on the podcast ever. About the hickie? Yeah, I mean.

We got to replay that. We got to get Bob back on it. Didn't he grab the wrong glasses or something? He took the wrong glasses. He took the girls' glasses instead of his glasses. I kind of love Bob Hawkins. Happy birthday, Bob. Hey, what's up, DBC fans?

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Because that one guy sounded a lot like Chris Rice. I didn't hear it. The guy that was like, do you still have that, Jason? I don't. There's a good chance. but the TJ it sounds just like Chris Rice I had to go back and listen

it would not surprise me alright here we go Gregson needs to watch that fresh mouth of his you can't fucking use language like that oh that's good

that's a good one yeah you need some money from you buddy for the swear jar given how no Gregson raced 2020 that finish was perfectly well deserved for him. I wish I could feel bad for him, but I can't.

That dude is a jerk and it couldn't that wreck couldn't have happened to a more deserving person. I got to say, I can see Noah being well liked or well hated. I don't think he can live on the fringe of

the Matt Kinsis of the world. Because he does the interview and then he does a shrug and he says, I'm going to drink a white claw. So a 45-year-old Budweiser drinking beerbellied guy. Ain't going to like that attitude. Matt's a superhero by day, but at nighttime, he's the villain. And he'll, Matt, he's sneaky.

I think there's one thing we've got to talk to know about is maybe just get in the ambulance when something happens because the show of walking around or hyping the crowd. It's getting old. I didn't understand hype in the crowd. Like, I'd have been flipping the guy off. Yeah, I'd have been trying to run out on the frontstrette trying to kill somebody. I would have thrown a full-blown eight-year-old temper tantrum right there. I wouldn't have been hype in the crowd.

Yeah, but everyone, this is good. this is good i mean i was watching it because we um we finally got a rental car an hour and a half later at the airport but um i was watching it and i was like man like this guy just got wrecked but he's like kind of pumping me up now now but yeah i don't know i it's fine if you do it once in a while but listen every time there's a little much no is either gonna he's gonna but he's man he's polarizing kind of like you you got this guy that's he's kind of playing, he's not going to be able to play the good guy, I don't think. But it's exciting.

I'm surprised, given his speed, right? And there was a time last summer where he lost it. But overall, the last 14 months that I've seen this kid drive, I'm surprised, given his speed, and he has some financial backing, that he's not given a look by some of these cup owners, right? And maybe he was, and he turned him down. but I'm surprised because I think he's ready for a shot of cup, you know? In the right car.

I think in the right car, yeah, I mean. But it's the 34 of the right car. I just say, what are you going to get in? I mean, like, but I'm saying, like, I don't know, but he is definitely more ready for the 38 than Alfredo was, and I don't know what the situation there was, but. I think you'd rather win extended races than driving 38. Which is fine, yeah. But John Hunter ran, John Hunter ran the first half of the year, not 38, fairly,

I'm not going to say competitive, but good for that car. And he... He's truck racing. I was going to say he damn sure did. Now he's truck racing. But he almost won't... I mean, if he wins Talladega, he's truck racing. Yeah, probably.

All right. What's next? How on earth do we go from an exciting Daytona road course where they were using each other up to a homestead race where they just, you know, someone got loose once, I think? Other than that, I agree with Noah. These d' bids cost him to race. Some of these learned I get the fuck out of way.

That's what I said. What had happened. T.J. said before this show started, Cup cars are too easy to drive. He ain't lying. Yeah, they're just, it's two. We've said it a million times. They are, it's like there's a vice holding the car on the track, like just ripping it down, like stuck.

And even when they get loose, it's a quick correction. Like, it's not like. like a, you know, the dude just sideways off the corner with the right rear smoking. Anyway, let's go get blasted on this next one. This one's for TJ. TJ, I just wanted to say congratulations on spotting 20th for you in the Unablocker. Great job. You really killed it this past week.

I'd have taken a 20th. I was just going to say. Thanks for gifting me five spots. The whole pit at the end, get some tires, and try to get back through some. I thought you were spotting for Ross Chastain with that. that block he threw on that deep in a deado there well this next one might cover that so oh good let's talk about it then hey tj did you hop on that 42 radio when chastain was blocking like legano holy cow guys wow speaking of blocking looked like it did you see us dive to turn the bottom

of turn three that one restart that was the green checker deal we went like four wide and a three i don't think so it's bad like we were four wide now i didn't think we were coming out of it that whole you're talking about the one lap run yes yeah i was the green checker deal we went like four wide and a three i don't think we were coming out of it was four that whole that whole that You're talking about the one lab run? Yes. Yeah, I was four wide. We were started 22nd, I think, in first, 13th. Yeah, were you on the top, though?

I thought you were in that. I might have been the fourth one on the top. Yeah. Yeah, I wasn't, I didn't have the 42, but we can get a hold of Brandon McReynolds and talk to him about it if you want. All right, last one. Well, I mean, we can't yell a little girl on here. Hey, man, I'm happy for the little fan.

I'm glad for her. We have to talk to Davis about his daughters. if they keep talking trash, for him to handle that. That might have been Mike Davis. I can see William Byron being the new Casey Cain if he can win races. I mean, he's, you know, good-looking young kid, well-spoken. Got out, thank God.

I mean, I appreciate a guy getting out and thank God. My God Good Year in Gatorade used to be the 3Gs of Victory Lane. You know, I miss those days. So I could see, I could see him helping the young fans get really excited about him. And that was big for Rudy, too, Fugel. I mean, third race out of the boxing cup just goes out and, you know, dominates at the end, wins the race. They started off good. Yeah.

I mean, and, you know, I liked Rudy's interview where he's after the race I read where he said, you know, we're not a championship team, but now we've got 20-something weeks to figure out how to be one. And it could be hard to handle. Good point, Fred. Like, I've got to say the fact that he's their crew chief had slipped my mind. And then when you go back to the KBM success that he had no matter who his driver was, wow. Third race in, he wins a cup race. And, you know, that's where William, him. and William formed their relationship was he was Williams' group chief there and they dominated that one year.

Good call by Mr. Hendrick. Once again, I don't know how he got to be a billionaire. To leave an audio message 24-7, go to anchor.fm. Backslash doorbook for clear and click the message icon. We'll be sure to play the best ones each week on the show. Offer pad, question of the week. So what's the front of your house like? Do you have a front porch, you sit on the front porch, kids play in the front yard. TJ, you go first. My front porch, I got two rocking chairs and don't really sit out there in the wintertime a lot. Summertime is pretty nice.

The sun sets on the back of the house or the sun's not shining directly in your eye in the evening. So, yeah, I got a little small front yard. Grass is okay. So it's pretty nice. Sounds exactly like my house. Mine is the same. I got a little porch with two rocking chairs and a small front yard. Remember that song, if the world had a front porch like we did.

back then. Tracy Lawrence. I don't remember that law. That's some pageling stuff. Yeah. I don't have a front porch. My steps go- Do you have a balcony in that hotel? My steps go directly into a stone foyer like entryway. And it's like my front porch. I don't have one.

I about Tripp carrying the biggest fish tank you've ever seen down Red's front steps one time. Yeah. And that was going to be real bad. My front yard doesn't get used a lot. I've never even used your front door except to carry that thing out of it. Me and Bodey have to go play baseball in the front yard because there's too much dog in the backyard. So that's where we go to do long toss.

And we also just bought remote control cars. So I got a little racetrack in my front yard. Should just stack the dog. We go flying around the front yard in the remote control cars. But maybe I need a front porch. I feel like I need one right now. I feel left out. I'll buy you two rocket chairs.

Because my grandma's house on Sunday, man. We got there right after church, and she had lunch ready. And after church, man, we'd all sit on the front porch and all the old folks that like canned green beans and can make cucumbers. And I'd go out there in a little yellow Volkswagen in the field and learn how to drive a stick, right? But, man, I miss the front porch. You guys just made me sad. Yeah.

Where I come from. You'd come over and use a lot of front porch sitting. Yeah. There you go. I like that song reference. So when you go buy your house on an offer pad, make sure you find one with the front porch. What do you have, Jason? I have, I just got into a new town home, so we have a little,

not a porch, that's what happens in the Delgroom Download producer now. The Dillner Download. You realize Dillner's just sticking it to you the further you get into this company, right? He's doing less and you're doing more. He's out looking at new trails across the country right now, so he's, it's really important. Now Jason gets to probably produce the Delt Junior Download as well. You don't listen? No, it's just, it's not popular.

I don't have time for that, Jason. telling Dale you don't listen to his podcast. So you're getting screwed more and more. He's doing less and you're doing more. I'm reading all how to get puke out. It says, use an upholstry cleaner with vinegar. Once that dries, plain bacon soda, our pet fresh powder, and vacuum.

When all else fells charcoal briquettes in a pan under a seat, it should absorb the smell. Becky, come to my fucking house and do this. I cannot follow that many instructions. I like the charcoal. I thought she's going to say light it. Yeah, just lighter fluid and a match will take care of it also. If you have to take it somewhere

Because if you continue to do it yourself You're not only I mean you may get the smell out But I know you for too long No matter what And unless somebody else gets it done for you You will always smell it in your mind This may be the only tweet I've ever sent out though

That I don't actually have to block anybody I'm asking how to get the smell of vomit out of my truck Give it a few more hours People are actually being nice I can't wait to bring milkshakes at a first baseball game No, fuck you that Let him right home in your truck Yeah, you might just want to

Oh, let's see Remember them little trees We used to hang in our mirror You guys aren't old enough Like the vanilla Roma I used to do the vanilla Roma Yeah, Chad Little drove that car out of the trees You used to sponsor a Bush North car too

For a while right Vanilla Roma was the one that I would hang In my Chrysler Laser 1984 with turbo And it would talk to you I've been up I had a bunch hanging in some expedition I had recently I had to stick a bunch Yeah, that expedition I sold Freddy for a thousand bucks

smelled like the ass of a giraffe. Like you can't imagine a car smell anywhere. They tell you like you're supposed to like when you open up them little trees like you're not supposed to just yank the thing out. Like you're supposed to like. You look the plastic on the bottom of it. Yeah, you're supposed to ease it out.

I had like, I had two of them and I took the plant. I took it right out. I was like. Let me tell you what happened though, Freddie. So. I don't want to know what happened. I guarantee. The rubber seal.

No, I don't care. The rubber seal. This is not going any better than I thought it was. Between the window and the door rotted out so that water got in there and it just went down there and sat. what you smell. So if you got really sick, I apologize, but that was the smell. That's what it was I got sick because I got a headache from how bad their air fresher smelled when I unleashed them all in my car. The worst part was, so I just rubbed them all over Megan and got

in the back seat. Megan smelled like a pine tree for like three weeks. It was great. She's so, man. But like I literally, the day I got that thing that I was driving to the airport, I'm like, this is a little bit rough. So I stopped and got two of them big ones, right? And I just stuck them in the back seat. Open them up. stuck him in like the door like the thing in the back seat like in the door and got on the airplane and when I came back I went to get in that thing I had the worst headache of the way home because it's it's like you've been around somebody that wears away too much perfume or something like I got to tell you this story so I sold Freddie my expedition for and listen I bought the expedition from Elliott for one

yeah true story made a thousand percent on me so so I turned around and sold it to Freddie for $1,000 okay many many many years later but Freddie how expired was my tag when I sold it. So I go to register this thing. And Brett, I mean, I'm going to talk. This thing wasn't like sitting in Brett's house. Brett had been driving this thing every day until I got it. So it's like you got to go and fill out the paperwork to get it registered.

And so it's one of the questions is, what is the date on the tag that's on it now? And this was, I bought it from you in what? 2019. 19, probably. And it was like, I look and it was like May of 16. And I'm like, Brett. What? Like, what have you been doing for three years? He's like, oh, if a cop got behind me, I just pulled in a parking lot. So this morning, brand new truck, this morning, brand new truck, I'm driving here. I get a text from Rodney Childers, who lives in my neighborhood, right?

And my text from Rodney goes, where's your tag at? There's literally not even a tag on my new trucks, three months old. You took it off going to Daytona, right? No, I don't have, I finally got the tag in, but I don't have any screws to put it on. And the I 77 freaking lane charges you $10 every time you get in it. So I'm like, well, they can't send me a bill if they don't know who I am, so I just left tag off. All you got to do, like, here's what you do. I think this will work. If you just, if a cop gets behind you, because the tag is, yeah, just hold out the window. Because the tag is in your center console, right?

It is. Yeah. So just hold it out the window so he can read it, and then you'll be fine. Okay. All right. I think you don't, I don't think he'd back glass like an old truck. Well, you think that camera will capture it? No, you don't want to.

That's the problem is you don't want to see the camera to see it. I don't want to have to pay to drive on 77. I hate that road. You don't have to get in the toll lanes. Why don't you just, you got to do? because it's the other one they suck. Why don't just print off a fake one? I thought about actually taking the number and just like putting a piece of tape to make like the eight, like a three.

And then maybe they'll send somebody else to bill. Take a paint pen. Take a paint pen. Just make it up. I wonder, so we stole Slugger Labby's van to drive to this golf trip, me and Doug went on. And we took the toll lanes the whole way waving and stuff to the cameras every time. So I wonder if Slugger ever got that bill. Hopefully he did.

Oh, I'm sure he did. All right. It's time for Fast Lane. our weekly segment where we expose the intelligence level of our panel of spotters by having them compete in a speed trivia contest. Brett, you are first up this week. Great. Good luck.

Hey, you know you screwed up that question last week. You know who the first person to tell me you screwed it up was, Jason? Wheel. A buddy wheel, the bus driver. Which one did he screw up? The moon mission or whatever. Landing on the sun one, whatever. The mission.

He named the mission instead of the rocket. He screwed me on the first week with a test tube thing. one's getting screwed this week. Speak for yourself. All right. Freddie's question. First question, Freddy, two plus two. All right.

First question, Brett. Who won stage one on Sunday? William Byron. I didn't watch the race. Who finished last on Sunday? Quinn Huh. What's the first name of the girl Freddie took to prom? Megan.

Trying to help you. Who painted the Sistine Chapel? The who? The Sistine Chapel. Two Sistines. How many nights is Hanukkah celebrated? Two. All right, good job.

Zero hour of ten. Damn. Chris Busher won stage one on Sunday. James Davidson? Timmy Hill finished last. Oh, poor Timmy. I feel bad about Timmy. The girl Freddie took to prom was named Liz.

How old fuck what I know that? Liz. She's supposed to guess. Well, he only messes with Megan, so that's Doug. Yeah, that's Doug's got 12 Megan's. But now he's got a Jacqueline. And now he's got a Jacqueline. He's doing way better now.

Angelo painted the Sistine Chapel, and Hanukkah is celebrated for eight nights. I thought that was a ninja turtle. I was going to tell you it's a ninja turtle. Yeah. Guess what pizza? Freddie, your turn. You have to get one to beat Brett, so that shouldn't be too hard. First question.

How many laps did Bubbo lead on Sunday? Ooh, uh, two. At which track did Tyler Reddick also finish P2 in a race last year? Dahlivan? Man, tech. What's the first name of the girl TJ took to prom? Frank. No, you're not getting this.

There's no chance to get this. Dale. Dale. What letter is not included in any of the 50 U.S. state names? X. How many inches high is a table tennis net? Three. You're doing everybody this week.

T.J. was right. Reddick finished second at Texas in race last year. T.J. took Gretchen to prom. Yeah. Gretchen. Middle name was Ursula. Are you serious? Yes.

Our parents were not friendly with her, I guess. Took me forever for her telling me her middle name. Ninth grade. That was good. The letter Q is not in any U.S. state name, and a table tennis net is six inches high. Where's X at? X? Texas.

Who's the hottest Gretchen that we even know? I don't know. What was the country? She was way back. I'm a red Nick Mulmore. That's the only one, though. Class bro. Gretchen was much better looking than I was.

Like, are there any hot Gretchen? That's not saying much. I mean, much better. Like, well, it makes you wake up, go, man. I'm going to name my daughter Gretchen. Where's that come from? You're going to get me in trouble, Jason. Go ahead.

All right. You stay in contact with Gretchen? Huh? You stay in contact with Gretchen? No, no, definitely not. I want to see a picture of this chick. She's cute. Is she?

Oh, God. Yeah. Broke my heart. Broke my heart in ninth grade. Oh, yeah. Do you ever notice if the cute girls get ugly and the ugly girls get cute as you get older. Yeah, I know that did happen a few.

Yeah. A few million. There is a girl that was in my high school. The one that got away? There was the really hot one. What was her name? I don't want to say. But she went on to a couple like little TV shows and stuff.

And this other one that nobody really ever talked about now. Oh my gosh. What's her name? I can't tell you. You still follow on Instagram, I guarantee you. You need to follow her. On Instagram. T.J.

Such a wuss. Just tell us who it is. Which one? The hot one. Leslie. Leslie. Leslie. Leslie Hess.

Yeah. All right. Your turn, TJ. TJ, if gets you right. On Instagram here while TJ's answer some questions. If you win. I'm out. I mean.

Gretchen and you will get an all expenses paid trip to Aruba if you win this week's show. Leslie Hess is wondering, why are all these people following? Yeah. All of a sudden. It's getting lit up. Oh, no. Oh, this is just coming bad. All right.

underscore Hess? What's Leslie under... Leslie underscore 1028, something like that. Yeah, okay. Anyway, back to the show. Go ahead. You guys answer some questions. TJ, how many laughs to Joe O'Olead on a lead on Sunday?

12. Who was the last Daytona 500 winner to score three top tens in the first three races before McDowell? Dale Jr. What's the first name of the girl Brett took the prom? Pat. Hell, I don't remember her name either. What was her name? What gender are working bees?

Female? I mean. How many elements are on the periodic table? Oh, my God. 144. Okay. That's your answer? Yeah.

That's wrong. That's right. If you got two out of five, so you win, I'll tell you the York. correct answers. All right, Gretchen. We're going. Hey, Leslie underscore 1028 underscore is private. Everybody go try to follow her.

No. Why in the hell am I getting this many requests? I requested it. Meaning equals emotion, emotion equals life. Yeah. I mean, we're talking about her on the show. I might as well support our

their ear. She's going to be like, what the hell is going on? Yeah, my fault. Leslie, I'm sorry. So after Dale won the 500 and finished in the top three the first three races, Ligano did next year. Ah.

Oh. The girl, Brett took to prom, was named Stephanie, and there are 118 elements on the periodic table. So Stephanie, was she hot then or hot now? His phone's open. Stephanie? Was she hot then or hot now? Stephanie, she was hot then.

I haven't seen her now in a while. But I would say she's probably still hot. Let me ask you this, because knowing you, I know probably the answer. So you were what, and she was probably a senior and you were in, what, like sixth grade? when this happened? I was in ninth grade. She was a senior. Yeah, that's what happened.

Yeah. All my friends were older. I can't help it. How many proms did you go to? Three. I went to a lot. I went to ninth grade, 11th grade,

12th grade in my school, and then I didn't go my 10th grade year. I turned somebody down. What a d-b-b- Did you ever go to a prom with a younger girl? I mean, I didn't have any money. Did you go to a younger?

Like, when I was a senior, I think I got asked to go to the, junior prom or whatever it is. We didn't have those. We couldn't afford that. Shoot. Pageland South Carolina? How many people would you graduate with?

120? I graduated with 75. That's why y'all had to have junior prom. Jesus. You guys, we had to have small schools. Yeah, everybody knew everybody in my school. We didn't have football. Your family.

Here you go straight up. No branches. Yeah, there's not many branches. There's more cows in that town than people. What an idiot. All right. to our What an Idiot segment of the week. Brett.

You get my award for this for letting donor, doing all donors work. That was just TJ didn't preparing answers, so he just thought it out on top of his head. Brett. No, that's my answer. My one of an idiot goes to David Starr. That's it. I can't help it. That's obvious, man.

I can't help it. I mean, I watch this guy just be an idiot every week, and this is our first chance to give him an award. So congratulations. It truly upset me. I really wanted to give it to the guy driving a 48, but I'd never heard of him. So I didn't see what happened with them, guys. You said 47 or 48. So, like, Noah's running the top, which is a preferred lane at that point in the race with the leader,

and they just clog the top, man. I mean, just clog it, clog it, clog it. He's losing seconds. He'd get by and make it back up. Catch the 47 weatherman, same deal. Would not get off the top. Noah's trying to run his lane. And, I mean, it's just like anywhere else.

If we're a road course and you're that far off, you get out of the apex of the corner. I did see that 47 park there one time. It's ridiculous. Like, I mean, they just have to be more aware of his drivers. We talk about it all the time. So we'll give all three of them. What an idiot. Y'all win.

Freddie. My what an idiot goes to Matt de Benedetto. Because he didn't turn the 42. Because he should have wrecked the 42 car. And the reason why you should wreck the 42 car is because now you've just given a green light to everybody to do that to you. But if you go in there and, I mean, he already had him jacked up. He could have just very easily finished him off.

But he lifted and stopped and let him straighten out. And now there's a target where, oh, maybe we could do this to Matt all the time. If he's going to back out, if you go in there and ship the 42 back to South Beach when he cut you off like that, everybody's going to be like, hey, you don't pull down in front of that 21. He'll wreck the hell out of you. So you can't let yourself get pushed around like that. And I just thought that was a mistake on Matt's part. So that'll be my one idiot. And I mean, we saw the same thing, different circumstance, but the two cut the nine a hell of a break. Did you see that one where the nine slid up in front of the two off a four?

Oh, yeah. The two had a slam on the brakes and I run in the back of them. That would have taken them both out. The difference is it would have wrecked the two at the same time. But still, I mean, he cut him a hell of a break right there. Yeah, that was a, I saw that. I was like, I didn't know it was that close. I mean, he had to lock the brakes up to stay off.

Yeah. Man, I think mine's got to go to, I really want to give it to Jason still for letting doing all doing his work. It's one real. Well, you're not real? You're not real? The donkey? Fictional.

And I got to go. I don't know what happened, but I got to go with a tan man, him and him and him and him and him and Blaine and both having solid runs. And if you're not sure out of four like you just I talked about it last night with Joey a little bit like there's when you got a guy running the wall and a guy running the bottom there's four lanes of racetrack between you and the bottom. It's really hard to judge and that guy on top his run starts he's going a lot faster than you at that point most of the time because of the run off the top. So you just, it's not worth taking you're better off, give that one spot up and keep race until you get them, you know, you're sure you got them, then just killing your race. Yeah. You're in the preferred lane going into one anyway if you're almost clear coming off. Yeah, well, that guy most time off the top would clear him.

Unless you got off to the bottom, some of the guys could get off the bottom really well. Like the 34 could get off. And if you had a guy that was struggling on the top, couldn't maybe keep the throttle on two loose or something. You prefer the bottom or top? I don't know. Fatim. I mean, my car was fat, but the bottom was better for us. Yeah.

I can see you doing well on the bottom. We really get off on the bottom pretty good. I just saw where Eric tweeted he got tight. Yeah. And it was weird. I felt like that started further back in the corner than just like your typical coming off of forward. That's my story. And I'm sticking to it.

We saw that. We saw the 10 come up on the 12. We saw the 7 come up on the 98 in the Xfinity race, which I feel like that's happened. That one really shocked me, man. I feel like that's happened a few times. I forget where we were going to one recently. I mean, not recently. Within the last couple of years, I can say.

Talking an Xfinity race? Yeah. I didn't even see what happened. Yeah. He just come across the 98's nose off a four, off a two and buried himself in the fence, gave the 98 a bunch of damage. I think it ended his day, I would imagine. Oh, absolutely ended his day.

Was he trying to clear him? Yeah, I mean, he was here and just. Yes. So he tried to wash him up. I don't know if he, I don't know if, same thing, if, you know, he's going to say he got tight or what, but he just, he literally, they were off of two and he'd just come across his nose and turn him in the fence. Yeah.

DBC picks. After Homestead, Freddie is on a roll. I'd like to guys again with Halloretic. I'd like to pick earlier than third every week if you guys don't mind. Chase Elliott, good luck, everybody. If he doesn't win this race by a lap, then something was really wrong in Phoenix last year because he came from Deadlast, took the league, smoked everybody. Oh, it was fucking Las Vegas.

I thought we were going to Phoenix. Yeah, wait. He already picked Chase. You can change. You can change it. Hold on a minute. I has a wrong track. He's fast at Vegas, too, so.

Who was fast yesterday, other than the winners? Byron. Byron was good. Redick on the wall. You know what I mean, you talk about how hard homestead is. Vegas is not an easy racetrack either. If you show up there loose, you're in trouble, getting off a two's hard, carrying a lot of speed into three is hard.

Like, that's a hard race track. I'll try Ryan Blaney. TJ. I'm in a roll with William Byron. I'm going to roll with Joey Logano. I got Chase Elliott at Phoenix, though, no matter what it happens.

You think we can do the three, Pete? I'm hoping so. That'll be three Vegas is in a row, man. We'll find out. Three spring Vegas is in a row, anyway, I think. Yeah. Maybe.

Well, you guys have fun in Vegas. That's probably one I'm going to miss going to. I will watch this weekend and be tuned in. I got a truck race this Friday. Who? Truck racing. Also, triple header. Triple header.

I got to text old KJ when we leave here. I forgot about that. Our friend KJ from the Cosmopolitan. No better place to stay in Vegas right now than the Cosmopolitan. It is the best. I hope I run into Brendan at South Point. Why? I never hung out with him, man.

I'd like to get to know Brandon. Everyone says he's a funny dude, man. He's one guy that I've never, a long time ago in a show we talked about. Everyone always has such good things to say about Brandon, man. He's got a good personality. He's outgoing guy. He does a really good job when he had that segment all. series X-Im. I used to enjoy that.

Yeah. I've always thought he's been funny and stuff. Every interview you see and stuff and when he wins, you're going to remember it. I'll never forget when he got the Kodak sponsorship, but it was actually a Penske, and he would carry around a Kodak camera everywhere, rest in peace, Kodak camera by the way. But that was

a cool deal. That's funny. He didn't last. Me and Will would sit in the truck go, is Brendan gone? Yeah, he's going. Brendan gone. He going. Thank you to our great presenting sponsor OfferPad. Thank you everyone for listening. share the show, tweet about it, and leave us a review on Apple Podcast.

Jason, before we cut off here, just a buddy of me and Brett's, and I know T.J. knows him, Brad Little. B. Red used to drive Casey Cain's motorhome forever, forever and ever. And then he drove Denny's for a year. He's giving us all a lot of golf cart rides. Yeah, for sure. He's one of our best friends, man, and he lost his dad to some complications the other day. So just thinking about him, I know he's going to go through a tough time right now. I know we're going to get together with him when he gets back. but we'll uh you know one of our one of our really good friends one of the greatest guys you're going to know do anything for you so he listens every week too man yeah he's always listened from like

day one he's been a listener yeah we love to be rad we'll see you when you get home buddy check out dirty mo media on youtube twitter facebook and instagram dirty mo