Door Bumper Clear - 206 - Thousands of Reasons

Episode Date: March 16, 2021

NASCAR’s West Coast Swing is complete as our spotters return from Phoenix Raceway to cover what went down in the desert. T.J. Majors shares about Joey Logano’s strong day that produced a solid finish. Freddie Kraft details why the promise and gains Bubba Wallace showed on Sunday keep the new team progressing nicely. Brett talks about his new role at the track over the weekend and why he was Denny Hamlin’s biggest fan.As the home of the championship race, the gang analyzes Phoenix Raceway’s product. They dish their opinions about the traction compound used on the racing surface and whether it helps or hurts the competition. Plus, which rule did NASCAR not enforce on the wild and wide Phoenix restarts? The spotting trio discusses.Drama from Saturday’s Xfinity Series race leads to conversations about drivers needing to use the bathroom during races and double bird salutes. Hear what Freddie told his Xfinity Series driver Jeb Burton when Burton asked how many laps were left in the race. Then, the crew breaks down why Josh Berry flipping off Santino Ferrucci may have been entertaining but ultimately costly for the JR Motorsports driver.Given the quality of the races at Phoenix, should it continue hosting the title races beyond 2021? The gang weighs in, discussing what characteristics should make up the track that crowns the champion.After DBC weighed in on Mike Joy’s hot take tweet about drivers with daddy’s money last week, Joy responded on Twitter. Hear what he said and what the guys are now saying back.NASCAR is beginning to experience a Nashville problem with two tracks both wanting to host races. Hear what the crew believes will become of NASCAR in Nashville.In Reaction Theatre, the fans bring it. Hear how T.J. responds to a fan calling him out for wanting to spot for Joey Logano. Someone compares Brett to beach balls. Plus, a very familiar voice chimes in.Xfinity is back with a new segment for 2021. Hear the guys debate the moments that made the greatest difference in this weekend’s events at Phoenix. Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You're listening to Door Bumper Clear. I'm T.J. Majors, and most of us are back from Phoenix. Today, we'll cover the quality of racing in Phoenix. Josh Barry is a double bird in the Xfinity Series race. And much more. Here we go. Nobody's listening, but I don't care. I'm on an episode of Door Bumper Clear.

Hey, everybody. I'm T.J. Majors. Spotter for the 22 cup car. Nothing else this weekend. Hey, what's up, Brett Griffin? spotter of the Offerpad suite out there in Phoenix. You were doing a good job up there. What's up?

Freddie Kraft, spotter for Bubba Wallace and Jeff Burton out there in the desert. Freddie, are you loud to talk? I heard Bubba told you to be quiet. I don't know if you'd be able to talk on this show today or not. I don't know that he was talking to me, but he was talking to everybody, I think, at once. It was pretty funny. Come on, man. You didn't know damn well he was talking to you.

No, it was. It was all of us, really. He looked a little sad. Freddy looked a little sad when I was standing next to him. No, I was a little sad when them 15 cars were by us on that restart. I told you it was getting ready to happen. You go. Got to take a chance.

We'll see. I'm like, yeah, yeah, we will. Yeah, he, we were, he likes, when he gets in a little rhythm and he's got some speed and he's running down guys, he don't really like to, like, hear anything. Was that right whenever you were stuck behind the 99 and then took off? No, no, we were, we had restarted like, I don't know, 13. 14th, 14th, and we're driving up until, like, the top seven or eight. And he was doing a good job, so I really didn't have anything for him.

I would just, I think I said something, like, Wheels might have said something about a good corner, and I said something like the 47 starting to back up. And he's like, all right, just let me work. And Wheels is like, I said, well, then go to work or something. You know, like, I went to mess with him, and Wheels on Channel 2. It's like, what's he been doing all day? Have he even working, you know, joking around? I said, I think that's just his most polite way of saying, shut the hell up.

So it was towards you? It was towards everybody. Yeah, it's, it's, I mean, I tell them all the time. When you get mad, just yell at me. Because some people might not be all to take as well as I do. Joey's the opposite. If you're quiet for a while, like, if you go, like, when we're leading, I don't say a whole lot unless I see somebody moving lanes or something.

Man, Joey's like, still there? I mean, I could probably read them a children's book during the green. It'd probably be okay with it. Anyways, I'm Casey Boat, and of course we can't forget to intro our. our lovely producer. Hello, I'm eating lunch, but I'm here, Jason Schultz. Make sure that camera's on. Yeah, don't worry, Jason.

Dillner is here in the room. Yes. My tail's still wagging. Yeah. Shultz, I feel bad. I've given Shultz an extra job at this show. He's now my mail sorter. Personal assistant.

I've got a bunch of T-shirts showed up here. I got my buddy Ed Cheslack on today, so my short track Saturday night deal started off here, and I see a bunch of shirts, so we'll keep it rolling each week because it'll be something fun to do. but Phoenix, TJ, you guys are good. Pretty good. We're pretty good.

We're pretty good at 19. Yeah, we usually have decent speed at Phoenix. We just can't seem to lead the one that counts. So, I don't know. I mean, we've had some pretty good luck there, though, so I can't really complain too much speed. And, I mean, we won the spring race there last year, and I was able to hold off Harvick.

And really, I thought we had a good shot at winning this one. Late rate, Late race restarts usually are right up where we need. I mean, you put Joey up front. He's going to be hard to pass and late race restart. And Truex just got a good one and he got some help from, he got some help from behind, and he got a good shove and was able to stay outside of us into one. And that's all, you know, that's what mattered.

So, but solid day. Pit crew was great. Good car. We've executed pretty good the last few weeks here. We've actually put ourselves back in a pretty decent point spot. and we've been creeping up in Vegas. I think we were 14th, 15, something like that, starting position. And now we're, you know, this week we were 9th.

Now I think we're going to be third, something like that. So we're going to the right direction. And we've been leading some races. Just need to lead the one that counts. Yeah. Freddie, what about you? I feel like that was a heartbreak. Yeah, I mean, it's, I mean, it's like encouraging and frustrating all at the same time.

We had really good speed yesterday. We had a little trouble on one of the pit stops, Greenfleck pit stop, lost about a half a track worth of distance there. So that hurt a lot. We came out, we were about a half track in front of the leader, which was the 22, and we came out right in front of them with, I don't know, four or five lap better tires, and we're able to get away, drive away from him in traffic.

So that was good. That was encouraging. And then we just rolled the dice a little bit there and didn't work out. Unfortunately, you know, your thought process of going into that was, We're running 10th. We've got good speed. We've got the freshest tires of anybody on the racetrack.

They were six or seven laps old. Brett just keeps getting smaller. It came up. We had Brett on full screen. Then it went to half, and it said Brett's, his bandwidth, network bandwidth is low. And then he went to a really small icon. Now he's back frozen. So, you know, we, and listen, I was on board.

with it. You know, wheels set it. And I said, yeah, I think so. I said, I think if you give our car is good enough, if we get good track position. And we're not thinking we're going to go up there and win the race, I don't think, but we're going up there thinking we could get a good restart, get some clean air maybe, and hold on to run top five, top seven like we were earlier. And it just didn't work out. A lot of factors. You're thinking some other guys are going to stay out with you, not be the only guy out there. You know, just a lot of different things. We didn't get a good restart because T. T.J. put the whammy on me coming to green. He said, I hope I spun the tires, and I did.

And then you hit me in the door. You're the one that wanted me to spin the tires. No, I said, if you spin the tires, take them all out behind you. I need it all the way back to about 12. I thought you had my pit crew from the Daytona road course, Freddie, to be honest with you, when I saw you keep losing ground on those pit stops. You can't do that and expect to finish top five, man. This is too competitive these days.

And that place you can't pass, man. That's a tough place. Once those restarts sort out, you're kind of stuck. Yeah, and that was what was, I think, really encouraging to us as a team was we could pass. You know, we could, and it was tough to pass. I think we'll get into that later. But, you know, we could make moves. You know, we could pass.

We'd come out 13th, 12, 13th, 14th-ish, and we were able to drive up into the top 7. We started 25th and were able to drive into the top 15 early. So I knew we had a really good car and we had a really good speed. And, you know, I think if we just stay status quo and do what everybody else does, we probably have a top 10 day. But, you know, hey, I like risk. I like gambling. You know, sometimes like I tweeted last night,

sometimes you roll the dice and they come up sevens, and that's what happened last night. But is what it is. We have improved every week, I think, and we're going to start better than we have this week. So I'm looking forward to getting to Atlanta and getting rolling. How, I know you weren't spotting yesterday, but I'm sure you're-

Hardest working spotter of the weekend, Brett. I'm sure you were keeping an eye on the 11. How did he do yesterday? He did good, man. I mean, look, he took the lead, stage one or before the competition caution, and the suite erupted. I mean, all those offer pad guys, we had the ownership group there. Kyle Rush was there, who's a big supporter of our show here. And, man, it's, I got to say, though, it's a lot more nerve-wracking to watch a race from that perspective than it is to spot the race.

Because spotting the race, you're in the game. You feel like you got control over the situation. And when you're sitting here watching it, you're like, man, I hope Denny. don't screw this up. I hope, you know, Chris Lambert don't screw this up like you're nervous for your guys, right? So it's a lot different being, uh, watching through a glass versus watching from the roof. I can tell you guys that. Who screwed it up? I mean, he took the lead and then didn't win what happened. Man, I honestly from where I was at, and I haven't talked to Denny, but it looked like on low air pressure that those guys were really struggling, the 11 bunch. But after you get a

heat cycle or after you run some laps, I thought he was a top three car for sure. You know, There were parts of the race where T.J. I felt like he was going to catch you and pass you. And then there were, when Martin came to life there in stage two, I don't think anybody had a faster car than he did. But I think the low air pressure probably was a challenge. But what I did see, man, is the drivers were having to change their lanes and lines around a lot to try to make good lap times. And I think that's a product to have more horsepower. And I thought the package was a heck of a lot better at Phoenix this year for the spring race than it was last year. I mean, I thought the race was pretty good.

You had different cars were faster at different stages. Like in the beginning, you know, it looked like I'd say maybe first part of the race. Our car was really, really good. Then Larson, on that long run, ridiculously fast. Like, stupid fast. And then at the end of the race, the last 100-so laps, the last 150 laps, Truex, man, that car was digging. I honestly feel like I feel like TrueX

Overall throughout the day I feel like it was TrueX The 5 and then us Maybe Denny right Maybe Denny and Brad right in the Fourth and Fifth spot But I mean

I didn't I didn't think the race was Was terrible You had to really work to pass somebody But That's um That's just characteristic of how it is now A lot of people were fighting drive off

Yeah I mean I'm sure we'll get into it more But we can talk about Just we've said it on here 100 times. I just can't stand the PJ1. And I think the PJ1, your idea was to make this a multi-groove racetrack because it was kind of locked down on the bottom, hard to pass.

I think it's even more lane dependent now with the PJ1 because there's really no bottom. On restart you can run the bottom, but you can see everybody searched that PJ1 within three or four laps. And then you couldn't even run multiple lanes in the PJ1. Like if you got up just a little bit too high, you flew the nose in the center or, or, you know, like, so it was super lane dependent. And then the only way you could pass was just run up a guy's ass, kind of get him loose off the corner, and then hope he had a hole in front of him where you could dive into the corner in front of him and slide up and take the PJ one away because you knew it didn't matter if he crossed you over. He can get back underneath you, but if you had the grip going to the next corner, you were going to clear him off the opposite corner. So I don't know, I don't know what the answer is because the bottom wasn't great for years, but I feel like it's easy.

even worse now where it's so lane dependent. If we don't put that down though, you know, on new tires, we run the bottom for about, I'd say, six to eight laps. As soon as that, as soon as that wears off, you move up to the grip. But if we don't have that stuff down, we're going to be the bottom all day. I get it. But I feel like in the past, guys figured out. The only way to fix us to go back to the old Phoenix. I still feel like in the past guys figured out a way the year a couple years leading up to the PJ one guys still figured out a way to run off the bottom especially in turn one and two now and make time up where now it's just you're got one lane to work with and you're going to try to pull out you're going to try and get clean air and turn underneath a guy but it takes you either lap after lap after lap after lap of working it or you got to go in there and try and slide job them and i just i don't know i don't know if there's a way to make it like not as grippy or what but it just i feel like you've taken one lane and just switch it to another lane like you're not adding multiple grooves. You're just taking the one lane off the bottom and moving it to the grip. And I don't think that's what your goal was with the PJ1. I still think there it makes for a

better race, though. I mean, at least you got guy, at least has moved up where guys try the bottom and can at least get inside there. And it makes for exciting races or racing at some point, at least on restart. If I ran top three, I would probably agree with you all day. I'm just saying looking throughout the pack. I mean, if we're all fighting for the bottom, we're going to being a single file line the entire time. But my point was that, like, in the past, if you had a good enough race car, I felt like you could manipulate your line, change your entry, dime in the corner, do something differently, and maybe get a run on the guy in front of you, where now there's, you're not doing that.

I probably would have agreed more with that a few years ago before this package right now. Yeah, all for sure. I mean, a few years ago, before we had, we got more downforce now than we've ever had. I'd say if you take the downforce away, even more downforce and stuff, I think that's a great idea. but it's tire fall off and less down force. It's weird that we say that 4,000 times on it. It doesn't matter if we're at anywhere, Talladega, Daytona, Martinsville, a mile and a half. What it looked like watching it?

Because obviously, we're kind of focused on in our cars and not really what's going on. I mean, everything is going on just around us. But as a whole, what did you see? It was a lot better race than normal, to be honest with you. I mean, I guess if I'm going to be a PJ1 supporter, which I'm not, but if I'm going to fake it until I make it, I'm going to take and I'm going to do about a three-foot strip of it where you could either put your rights in it or your lefts in it

and I'm going to pick one corner and I'm going to make a guy be perfect when he hits that corner to be able to pick up that extra traction because as we saw yesterday, it became a one-groove racetrack right at the, you want your lefts at the bottom of the PJ1. Yes, some guys would run a little higher in three and four than others try to get a late apex. We saw guys diamond in one and two. But at the end of the day, it's just too much of it, I think.

And for us to run a full Xfinity Series race and a full cup series race with that many cars and it never really go away like it's just too much of it yeah i mean i think that's a great idea where do one corner so now like a polka no turn three if i'm just saying no do you know remember when they repaved up there but i'm saying like like my home track riverhead um is had been repaved in the last couple years so and then they spray both ends but because it's repaved the bottom is really good but now like the the corner that they repaved the bottom is really good but now like the corner that they repave, the bottom is really good, but the corner they didn't repave, the top is good because of the grip.

So now you watch these guys run side by side because the guy in the top has an advantage in three and four, and the guy on the bottom has an advantage in one and two. So now they're racing their asses off and you're fighting for grips. So I think that might be a good solution to just do one corner. So the bottom has the advantage in turn one and two, and then the top has the advantage in three and four, and then kind of split it up and make it equal. I'm waiting for Brett to spearhead this company.

a paving company where you can maybe you could choose what kind of mix sure you want to repaving because you need that stuff that really tears the tires the tires up. Yeah. I mean there was a couple of things about this race this weekend. The PJ1 was probably one of the least

of my concerns, but like we are, I know T.J. is on board with this. We've got a rule about changing lanes too soon, and I don't know if they forgot what the rule was, but especially Saturday was awful. And then Sunday, we got to lap 93 before there was finally a warning given where guys were just, I mean, I was spotting

for Jeb and I harped on him for three or four restarts. Do not change lanes so you get to the strike. Do not change lanes. You know, maintain the lane in front of you. And I'm like, all right, and I always count them down to the start finish line. I'm like, all right, at the start finish line, now inside, which how could that be possible? If the guy behind me's got to wait to get to the line, how can he be inside me when I get to the line? And TJ's got a picture of a week and post later, but they're fanned out three wide way before the line on the final restart there. And it's just, I don't care.

If one way or another, just call it consistently. And if that's the rule, that's the rule enforce it. Don't let some guys get taken advantage of because they're following the rule. Phoenix is a really hard place to, that's a very unique track with where the restart zone is. It's kind of like in a off of a corner where most people are drifting up still and on a restart you're not drifting up. So it's kind of weird. It's kind of weird restarting there.

And we restart on the bottom. We didn't even really lead the line. So as the leader, to me, that's legal and that's what you're supposed to be doing. If you're on the yellow line when you take the green in the restart zone, you just stay on or on exit. That's how you should be doing it, I guess. But yeah, there's people changing lanes.

They said yesterday on the radio, I said, no, do not go below the yellow line before the start-finish line. But that's not... That's not the rule. That's not the role. I mean, when we go to Chicago or Kansas, am I allowed to go inside the guy in front of me, but just not down to the other line?

I mean, what is the... You can see, like, in the... We'll tweet it. The picture T.J. has, they are literally behind the leader. They're three wide before the start, finish line. They're not inside or outside of each other yet, I don't think. But they're fanned out three wide, and that's not legal. You're supposed to maintain the lane that the leader sets.

I don't know, just, you know, like we say, just consistency on their parts would be nice. It was the final restart of the Xfini race was the craziest one in my, that I saw, but. Every restart, I feel like this whole season has been pretty crazy, so I'd imagine. Yeah. Let's hear more about our amazing presenting sponsor, Offer Pad, which, by the way, had the best paint scheme of the race, I think, yesterday. Yeah, Junior tweeted that it was top three. I think that was a little bit of orange bias on his part. So I look at that, and the first thing I think of, there's two things.

The Miami Dolphins and the Jerry Nadu car. And Jerry Nadu. I mean, when I see that, that's exactly what I think about. It looks just like Jerry Nadu's, like, colors when he ran that car. I liked it. I thought it stood out. I'm sure you do. You know, Denny was driving it, so it was great.

Yeah, Denny's always amazing. The best. It's fun colors, though, man. Like when we decorated that suite, I'm telling you, it's fun colors. and it's a fun, vibrant brand. And man, that sweet looked freaking phenomenal. I was really happy with how it turned out, and everybody had a blast. That's sweet, dude.

It was done up well. Hey, let me ask you a question. I've been kind of integrated with Offerpad stuff for a while. Where did the moose come from? So when you go into their office here in Chandler, Arizona, they've got a big orange moose. Like if you Google Offerpad Office, I bet you probably can even find it online. So I don't know the story behind the orange moose, but given that it is represented in their office, man,

I went with the orange moose for Deco, and all their people were like, man, that moose is cool, and all the people on Twitter was like, why is there a moose in the desert? So maybe that's something we're going to have to find out for the offer pad brand is what the fuck is up with the moose. I think we should have Kyle come on one time

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When asked where you heard about OfferPad, select the NASCAR option so they know we sent you. Spot on, spot off. First topic, Jeb Burton says on the radio that he has to go to the bathroom, and Freddie responds with there's only 103 laps to go in the Xfinity Series race. Freddie, what was that? I mean, honestly, I was putting this together Saturday night after the race, and I think this might explain his entry to turn one on the last lap. you know, maybe he really had to go at that point,

shipped it in there a little deep. But yeah, I don't just, just, he said something about, he needed to, he wanted to drink some more pediolite, but he couldn't because he had to go to the bathroom really bad. And I said, well, there's good news, bud. We're not even halfway yet. There's only 103 laps left of this deal. And he, he was like, oh, great, perfect.

But I'm sure the, as far as I know, he held it, he was still talking about it later in the race. So I'm sure the interior guy appreciates that. I feel like that's not really the case for most. Don't they just go in their car? I don't think most. I think some do for sure. T.J.

I think some do sometimes. I've heard of a few. They're poor interior guys. I'm not so sure Jeb didn't go. I mean, 103. I think when he shipped it off in a turn one, he might have pissed his pants. So maybe he got some fluid. You know they drill holes in the bottom of these seats.

That's what we're going to blame it on. We got in fluid into one. We slid into one. Your own fluid. Yeah, that's what happened. They drill holes in the bottom of the seat, so if it does happen, it just rains out the bottom of the car.

But that's interesting. Spot off. Spot on and spot off. I don't know, spot off for his interior guy. Yeah. I can't believe miniature bladder T.J. Majors would spot off the fact that the guy had to pee and he couldn't go pee. I am 100% spot off at what you just said, Freddie,

that this guy, Mdity Series race where it's 60 degrees outside is having to drink Pediolite. I know. It was cold on Saturday, man. It's a two-hour race and it's not even hot. Why are you drinking Pediolite? God, come on, man. These guys, they're watching too much TV or something.

I don't know who these trainers are that are going over the top of some of those stuff. Could you imagine if Dale Earnhardt had said he drank freaking Pediolite in the middle of a race or Kel Yarborough or Bobby Allison? Come on, Jim, get with it, man. Geez. I'm frustrated in that. Cal probably had some fireball. I'll tell you one thing, though, that was Jeff's best race of the year.

So I'm going to, somebody's going to lock the bathrooms around the hall or he's not allowed to go to the rest of the year because that was his best race he's run all year. So we might have to try that again this week. Geez, 103 laps to go, man, I can't, I'd be nervous if I was him too. I'm nervous on the roof. There's no cause. Spot on, spot off. Josh Berry gives Santino Ferruji the double bird after being run into the wall in Phoenix in the Phoenix Xfinity series race.

Brett, since this is your favorite phrase, this is a Brett move right here for sure. If Brett was a risk. Spot on, spot off. He looked like Brett up. 100% spot off because the version that I saw, and I was watching from a bar out here in Arizona, I'm 100% spot off because the broadcast blurred out the birds.

You got to show the birds, man. Dang. There's kids watching. Who cares? I'm spot off. just for the fact that I'm pretty sure what Josh did to Ryan Seag was worse than what Santino did to Josh. And I didn't see anybody out there flipping Josh off.

But I don't know. Look to me like Josh got in the back at the 39 and just kind of shoved him up in the fence on old tires on a restart. And then I don't even think there was contact between Santino and Josh. I think he kind of just maintained his lane and didn't give Josh any room. And he can't take the fence off of two there. But, I mean, it is what it is. I'm all for the show, so get out there and double bird them.

Every time we wreck, somebody should get out there and double bird somebody. I'm spot off because I think Josh is probably looking back right now. And Josh, he's ran fairly well. He's had decent speed, especially with no practice at these places and things like that. But I'm spot off because I think he's regretting it now because he needs to impress people. He needs to be, he needs to wow some people to continue his career at this level. and I don't know if that's necessarily the right move and I'm also spot off on Santino's comments

did you listen to them? No. He just said that he basically ran him up the racetrack because he wasn't, he was just, he didn't know it was time to give or anything like that. Basically said he basically said he did it on purpose to use him up. I mean, I don't think Santino knows, he didn't use him up.

He ran his normal line and just did not give Josh room, like through the middle of the corner. And then he was clear off the corner, and Josh stayed in it and pancake the fence. Like, that's up to Josh at that point if he wants to stay in the throttle and try to throttle up back outside of him. But you weren't getting back outside of him, and you just drove your car into the fence. But like you said, this is not Hickory. This is not late model stock race over at Old Dominion. Like, you got to be a little bit more professional. There's a lot of eyes on you now.

And I like Josh. I think he's done a great job this year. I think he's done a phenomenal job in the late models for the last couple of years in Dale's stuff. But like you said, he's got to put it all together. You know, he was up there in the top five and got himself damage. Yeah. So where, like, the damage from the 39, he had a pit a second time,

got a penalty on that pit sequence, and then started in the back and was coming back through when this deal happened with Santino. So, you know, you've got to have a little bit. We talk about self-awareness on here all the time. Your mistakes put you back there, and we'd say sometimes when you run with squirrels, you can end up with nuts.

and yeah that's kind of what you end up with there this is just an experience behind every bird is a pile of shit too so you got to keep that in mind when you flip those fingers to people you know that too well all too well Casey all too well I say this man Josh Barry is obviously a good short track driver so when you look at the schedule this is probably the first track that stuck out where he'd have an opportunity to go out and be competitive from from a steering wheel holding standpoint and didn't make the most out of it for whatever reason. And look, I've got to say looking at that car, and maybe I'm wrong, that Dell Jr. hand-picked him to fill the races that weren't sold

and that they didn't have sponsorship for or a driver that was coming in to rent the race car for that weekend. So a big opportunity for Josh and T.J. actually, as much as I don't want T.J. to be right about this because I like when people show emotion from a marketing perspective, he didn't do himself any favors to attract any new sponsors, that's for sure. Spot on, spot off, no caution for Cole Custer after getting turned. Hey, can I go spot on for finally someone getting flipped off that wasn't the 22? Hey, somebody that wasn't driving one of TJ's Pia. Feels so good that I'm not a spot on, spot off conversation this week.

Don't worry. For every one person who gets flipped off, I think there's like five who flipped me off. Wasn't me. I'm happy. Spot on, spot off, no caution for Cole Custer after getting turned into the wall late in Sunday's race. race. TJ. Spot off.

Should have been a caution. Should have been a caution for sure. There was debris and break rotor parts everywhere. I don't know what they were seeing. I can't believe we were able to race on that track afterwards. I don't know how he got wrecked. Listen, he got in trouble. Yeah.

After Freddie, did you by chance pull that up and look at the data or data, whatever you want to call it on it? Definitely some contact from a red and white 23. Let me ask you this. So I didn't look at SMT yet, just watching the video last night. So here's the deal. Cole's racing somebody in front of us. I think it was Kurt.

And he's underneath him trying to get around him. And again, you can't get around him on the bottom. So now we're running the top, and we've got a head of steam. And Cole's going to squeeze up in the hole, and there's a hole there. And he's going to get up in it. And we're coming quite a bit faster, I think. And for some reason, he, like, stops. He doesn't come all the way to the wall.

And I think that kind of threw Bubba's timing way off. where Bubba, you know, if we've done this 100 times, you know, you come up on a guy and then he pulls up, you go underneath them. And for some reason, Cole stopped, like, I don't know, had the car width off the wall. For sure. And we just got to back of them and turned them, you know.

Yeah, Bubba wasn't trying to, he was just trying to make a move. Yeah, we're trying to get back underneath them, you know, use our momentum. That's one of them things, too, that when you're trying to pass somebody and they don't go all the way to the wall, like running inside of them, you're expecting them to go all the way of the wall. And if they don't, it just throws everything off. So I just still can't believe you wrecked him. I was, I don't, I'm good with, I'm good with no caution.

Yeah, there wasn't, like if, if, I don't want manufactured caution. I didn't think there should have been a caution when Kyle spun. As much as I needed a caution at that point, Kyle spun on the apron. There's 75 lanes right there off just past our finish line. And he's on the apron, he's getting going again and rolling. And as soon as he takes off rolling straight, they throw the caution. I don't know why. I didn't, there was no, there was no reason for it.

I don't think. There was just one car spun on the bottom. There was no debris. And he took off rolling. But, yeah, I'm all good with no caution there. don't want to affect the outcome of the race or one way or the other either throw the caution every time or don't throw it at all. So just be consistent.

If that's what it is, I don't want to see now next week in Atlanta where we're all strung out there at the end of the race and the 51 goes up and brushes the wall and the yellow comes out. That'll be bullshit. So, you know, we'll just see how it goes from here, but I'm good with no caution right there. That's two weeks in a row. Kyle Bush has got cautions that I didn't think deserve to be cautions. I got to agree with Freddie on that.

You know, when I saw the right front of the 41, though, I, I, I saw a lot of missing sheet metal, and that sheet metal went somewhere. It didn't just drift up into the heavens, right? So that debris was somewhere on that racetrack. If I'm running the tower, I'm throwing the caution there. But look, we're going to debate this 10 more times this year on whether or not caution should or shouldn't happen in different scenarios. And it's obviously a lot of pressure from the booth.

I don't know how many people are actually engaged in that conversation. Clearly, we know that the race director is involved. the Cup Series directors involved. I'd love to know who all has a say in whether or not the cost is thrown. And if just one of them says, put it out, does the whole freaking place say put it out?

I don't know. Maybe they'll give us some insight on that. He never, the difference though in those two were one kept rolling really quickly. Like the 41, he hit the wall and he was still pointed straight. Yeah.

Kyle was spinning out, Kyle was spinning out down to the inside. I don't, he never spun though. He just slow, sideways, and then corrected it and took off. Okay. Well, I mean, yeah, I guess that's probably, honestly, they probably just look. It's a reaction for them. They probably looked down and they see Kyle sideways.

Oh, hit the button, you know what I mean? They probably weren't looking on the straightaway for, like, where you guys would have hit because you don't normally think there's a wreck there. And it was probably over before they saw it. We saw it. Was it last, when did Eric hit the wall on Roll? Was that last week? He pounded the wall in turn one.

And it was a lap before they threw the yellow because I just think he wasn't mid-pack or further back. and I don't think they ever saw it, but you know, it's just like we just say, whatever, as long as it's consistent. How come the aftermath on pit road is in a spot on or spot off? What do you mean? What do you mean?

With Kyle and Ross. Oh, I didn't see that. Yeah, they got into it after the race done there because I guess Rob. I thought it was funny how, while they were arguing, T.J., that Ross, like, had his hands crossed him behind his back. But he's wearing a face mask,

so you could stand there and look like you're playing the role of a gentleman with your hands behind your back, insinuating that under no circumstance, do I want physical confrontation. But with the mask up, it's like he could have been like, fuck you, Kyle kissed my ass. Like, you don't really know what's being said in that situation with these masks. I kind of thought it was, I thought it was like watching a comedy, man. But I would love to know, you know, what was said.

It was obvious that Kyle was extremely frustrated and blaming Ross for something. And Ross was just, the mannerisms there were pretty epic. I don't think we'll see a funnier situation happen between two guys that don't get physical than that one. Yeah, I mean, maybe we need clear masks or something. We need subtitles. You have to have subtitles. You know, we're off topic here, but, you know, this is,

I don't know if I'm, like, do you think it's good for Ross being these in these type of situations, or is it bad, you know, is it bad attention right now? Here's the thing, man, how many top tens do you have? And if you can hang your hat on a bunch of top tens, I think you arguing with Kyle Bush is a good thing. But if you're not up there, you know, contending to finish top 10 in these stages, we know how valuable those points are.

We know how relevant that conversation is for the broadcast. And same goes with the end of the race, right? So look at your stats. And if you deserve to be arguing with Kyle Bush, then go for it. If not, I think you're probably, what you're insinuating is probably right, that you're not doing yourself any favor of putting yourself in that situation.

But we saw it a couple weeks ago with the block that he threw on the 21. We've talked about this for years on this show about how aggressive Ross races. And at this level, these guys are going to get sick of it and they're going to wreck him and they're going to pay him back. So I think it's going to be interesting to see how this year goes and to see whether or not him and his spotter work together to stay calm, stay out of people's way when it's not the time to be battling guys. and as we've said many times on this show,

not make any enemies for the wrong reasons. Yeah, that's the thing. You don't want to make the enemies right now. Right now, Ross has got a solid deal, and he should be trying to chip away at top tens, top 15s, and working on that stuff, and just this kind of throws a negative attention, kind of. Nobody drives harder than Ross Chastain,

but there are a lot of guys that drive smarter, and he's got to figure out that, balance. And look, I've spotted races for him. I've won races with him, a race with him, not races. It's, it's, he's going to have this cup. He's now in the cup series. You know, I ask Chase Briscoe what the differences are, I bet he'll tell you real quick. Remember how easily he was winning races last year in that car? And now he can't find a top 10 to save his life, right? So this is the cup series. This is the hardest form of motor sports in the world to go out and be competitive and win and run top 10. And it's, I mean, I don't know,

man, you got to make your conversation your rookie year about that, not a bunch of off-track instance. Not that Ross is a rookie, but you know what I'm saying. This is his first time in a car that's competitive. He's run some cars that, I mean, it's outside the top 30 almost every time he's strapped in him. So he's got to make the most of this deal. All right, we want to welcome a new sponsor to our door bumper clear podcast,

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and race, race hard, race side by side, and put on a great show. Track position was still king. And, man, I have to say that Chase Elliott, I don't know what in the hell he did between Phoenix at the last race of the year and the four races in between. but he could have lapped the field the last time we were there. And then yesterday, he ran top seven probably. I know one time he had a decent run, but after he got up there in a top three or four,

everybody drove right by him. So there's just not enough drama there, man. Give me Bristol, give me Martinsville. I mean, give me Vegas after this race we just saw in Vegas, right? So I think if I'm NASCAR, I'm watching these races very closely in the first half of this year, and that's how I pick my championship race in 2022. TJ

Man it's hard to Not that it's growing on me But that I thought that was a solid race The only The thing that makes these The championship race last year For the Xfinny race Was off the charts

Good at the end of the race Truck race off the charts You know why those? Because they had the green white checker at the end I mean That's It's hard to go off just a green white checker but that's what made those races really exciting it bunched everybody up and we

hey here you go you guys were all right here go get it and it just i don't know it's hard for me to keep you know wanting to go back to a place like that i know we're fast there and i like our odds but i like you know i still man homestead just to me is the perfect racetrack it's the perfect it's the perfect place. I know you like moving around, but it's the perfect scene. You know, you got the Miami. You got, you're in a warm climate. It's just, I mean, a great racetrack. To me, I love Homestead. Yeah, in my opinion, you can't go to a single lane racetrack for your championship race. And that track yesterday was super lane dependent, no matter how good the racing was, or better than previous races there, it's still a single lane dependent race track.

And like you said, okay, yeah, sign me up. If you want to tell me there's going to be a comp caution with three to go every year, okay, that's fine because you know miraculously every year the last race, the final four run top four all race for some reason. So you know you got your top four championship guys there. Let them go wreck each other on a green-white checker. That's the only reason, like you said, why the truck race was so great there last year and the Xfinity race was so great there last year.

The cup race, Chase was checking out, gone, race over. So, you know, I just think the other thing, too, you got to realize is, and this is probably worth talking about, next year is a brand new car. We don't know how it's going to race. And of all the tracks that we go to, Phoenix is, like you said. I mean, they initially built Phoenix for indie cars. They didn't build them for stock cars. Now, they made some changes to it to help the racing for stock cars.

But when you look at a brand new car with that style of racetrack, I'd be worried if I were NASCAR about the entertainment value of that. I would certainly look to those places where we know it's going to be high energy. That's obviously the plate races. That's Bristol. It's Martinsville. It's Richmond. Man, I don't, it's homestead to T.J.'s point.

I think that has to be a part of the thought process is we've got a brand new car, which track is our best track, no matter what car we've had in the past and go with that. Yeah, because we've seen how many different packages now at Phoenix, and it's no passing or really hard to pass. You know, this package, the last five packages, it's same. So it's just the way that place is. It's similar. You talk about being built for Indy cars. That's why Indianapolis Motor Speedway doesn't work for us because it's built for Indy cars.

It's a single lane race track. You can't move around. Just like you don't see a lot of side-by-side racing in Indy car ever because they can't do it. We go to New Hampshire, man, and those modifies put on a hell of a race. And you put the Cup cars out there, they look very similar to what they look like at Phoenix. Both of them draft too. What they look like at Indy. Even though at Indy, they're running 80 miles an hour faster, it's still not a good freaking race.

We can't do it. That's why we're switching to the road course. So if I'm NASCAR, I'm sitting in that room and I'm going, which racetracks are our most exciting? That's the list that I'm going to work off of to keep narrowing it down and get to where I want to end the season. I mean, at some point, whether it's before me and me and Freddie are retired or not, but I can see it going to Daytona.

I could too. I think, I think, I mean, that's your most, If you want fans on the edge of their seat, determine the champion, that's where you want to go. Obviously, I'm a little bit more of a purist, and I would absolutely hate that. Can we not talk about the end of the Daytona race? We just move to the next time.

I mean, they will literally all wreck before, like, all four cars. Like, what do you do? Like, okay, you're at Daytona now. What do you do if your four guys are in the big one? Whoever, you can't come out of the garage anymore, so whoever was running higher the rut lap before that is your champion? But that could happen at Phoenix. That could happen anywhere.

The odds of it are a lot of it. I'm a super speed. But here's the deal. Don't try four wide moves and stuff. Here's your deal. Go to, go to Martinsville. Martinsville, I think, would be the ideal last race.

Because even Bristol, Bristol's a great race, obviously. But even Bristol can get to be hard to pass one lane, you know, kind of a little bit. I think Martinsville, if you're better than the guy in front of you can get around them. Or you can move them. It's so enough if you can have contact. Yeah, you could like, I think Martinsville, if you're not, if your homestead is ideal for me. It's always been ideal for me. You can run anywhere on the racetrack.

Some guys can make grooves work that other guys can't, you know, compensate for their car maybe. I think Homestead is the top choice. If you want to go a mile and a half racing, that's where we got to be. But if you want the best product package-wise, let's go to Martin'sville. Close the year out on a short track.

Let somebody go in the corner and boot the guy out of the way like TJ did to poor Martin a couple years ago. I don't know what you're talking about. And win the race. So, I mean, if that's what you're going to do, but you're going to have a hard time selling me on Phoenix is our best option. I see it always being a track owned by NASCAR, so Martinsville will probably be a good one.

But what about Richmond? No. Too fat. You can't. It's same as, it's similar to Phoenix, really. I mean, but similar to Bristol.

Yeah, it's closer to Bristol probably. You can move around a little bit, but I feel like Martinsville is the premium short track that we have to race. How about a dirt race at Bristol? Want to do that at the end of the season? I'll tell you why Martin's good during a day or at night.

Martin'sville is the slowest... I don't run it during the day. I want to be the first dirt track race ever prime... Big dirt track race ever to be run during the day for a championship. That's what I vote. Dude, it's so funny

when your video lags a little bit and then it catches up. It looks like you're in fast forward, like your face. You're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, Martin's still is the slowest track on the circuit, right? And it has very little banking to it.

So you know that if you go down into this corner and you hit this guy, if you don't do it good enough for the right way, he's going to be coming back. So Martinsville's probably my favorite track that we go to. Me too. Mike Joy's response to our opinion on his hot take. Jason, you read that?

Yeah, Mike responded to someone that tweeted saying Brett spot on. Then Mike Joy said, Blind obvious. Anyone who wants the race needs funding to get on track, compete and progress. They miss the point. Develop and show some respect for the efforts and experience of others.

I don't aim it at any one driver. Please go back and reread the thread. Thanks. So my, well, I should probably let Brett go first, but my reaction here is you can say whatever you want, but that last sentence when you said it was not aimed at any other driver, I'm sorry, Mike, you're full of shit. Like, because your next tweet after that was...

That's a lie. He's lying. Your next tweet after that was how hard David Starr works in the sport. So I see a correlation in the thread somewhere. It's obvious. He's talking about Noah Grex. and admit it. Like, I do a lot of dumb shit, but I'm mad enough to admit it, right?

And the fact that he came at us and said that it wasn't about one guy, come on, Mike, man. Nah, come on. What an idiot. Listen, I've actually had a conversation with Noah because we were pretty rough on here about Noah last year,

but I felt like he kind of gave us reasons. And he, we ran into each other somewhere, and he's like, man, you all gonna stop talking about me on your podcast? And I said, as soon as you stop doing dumb shit, I promise you will stop talking about you. But like we own it. You know what I mean?

Like we're not going to sit here and go, oh, there's a certain driver out there that if I wish he would stop doing dumb stuff. Like, no, we're going to say what it is. And that's what you were calling a guy out. You can deny it all you want. But the correlation in your next couple of tweets was obvious who you were talking about. Everybody knows who you were talking about. So own it.

And then, you know, whatever. It's just, it is what it is. Everybody can have their opinion about what he said. And everybody's entitled to their own opinion. But when you say, I wasn't talking about anybody in particular, that kind of throws me off a little. bit. I think I know where Mike's coming from on it because back in the day, I mean, David Starr, when you went to Texas in the truck series, and he's in that 75 truck, he won a handful of races

there. It was actually, I mean, people nowadays that have joined here in the recent years don't really know. Like, David Starr was pretty good, and especially in the truck series. So was Morgan Sheppard, T.J. Well, that's what I'm saying. Everybody's had their time, but as you could, you know, I'm not, Mike probably also doesn't see at times, you know, there's sometimes the things have changed now and Dave is might not, you know, he's not the best equipment now and things aren't handling as good and, and, you know, he's in spots he probably doesn't want to be in sometimes, but, you know, I don't, uh, everything's evolved a certain way and it's not going to go back to how it used to be, but, uh, I definitely see where Mike's coming from on it, but, uh, I definitely

see where Mike's coming from on it. but I definitely think it was also directed directly at Noah. One guy. Ironic timing if he's not trying to talk about Noah. I'm glad Noah does some dumb stuff because he gives us something to talk about. I'm glad Mike watched the video clip, man. Thanks for being a viewer. Thanks for the tweet.

That got us some extra views, I bet. Spot on, spot off. The Nashville mayor signs a letter of intent with SMI to renovate the Nashville Fairgrounds, And now two tracks and two owners want races in Nashville. Out, spot on, spot off, Freddie. You know, I don't know how you rectify this if the people from Dover really want to be in Nashville. I think the best option for a Fran side, for our side of things, I would love to see that Nashville race go back to Dover for a second race because I love Dover. Go take that race back to Dover, run the fairgrounds as our Nashville race.

then you've got to look at who loses a date for the Nashville race. It's got to be an SMI track, you would think? I mean, are we talking, we're not going back to Sonoma? Are we talking, now we're only going to go to Atlanta once after we, Atlanta just got a second date? Are you going to take Loudoun off the schedule, which I think would be a bad move? So, you know, ideally, I think you want to go to the fairgrounds. I think I would love to see that, that National Super Speedway race go back to Dover, but then you're talking about giving up something somewhere, and I don't know. We need to run the fairgrounds 100%.

And if this Grand Prix stuff goes well, I'm not opposed to even trying that at some point, but I just think those are the fairgrounds, to me, are going to create a great race. Yeah, we talk about short track. I think the Super Speedway race is going to be kind of similar to what we see other places. So now you're talking about package-wise,

I think the fairgrounds lends itself way better to our, cars, but obviously it'll be a totally different package. Which press conference did you see Dale Jr. at? Did you see him at the one with Marcus Smith or did you see him at the one with the Dover guys? I believe it was the one with Marcus. Well, I'm going to tell you who's going to win this war. It's going to be the guy that's got Dale Jr. standing in his corner and it's going to be

the guy with a last name Smith whose dad is Bruton, who is a billionaire. I don't care how it happens. I don't care when it happens. You're going to find out that Dover is in a pissing match in Nashville, which is a market we need to be in and dover unfortunately is likely going to lose i mean i agree um that's one of freddie's home track so he's a little biased no i mean no i like i mean it's not really i just like dover i like the race track i think you know when we get the package right it's one of the better races um and it's it's a different racetrack than what we go to you know i don't want to

high horse power low down force what a great raced over i think i could be wrong about this but i think what happens is Marcus Smith somehow or another cuts a deal with Dover for this date, and he ends up being the owner and promoter of that Nashville track. Now, does that mean they do a profit-sharing deal? Does that mean that Marcus outright gives him a huge lump sum of money? I don't know how that's going to work. But I think Marcus Smith and his group, who, oh, by the way, I've said it, they're billionaires. They're going to figure out a way to get this track with their friend Dale Jr. over to the fairhouse. Is that billion with a B? Big B, big old B.

I agree. And like I said, I don't, I would like to go back to Dover twice, or like you said, see that that Nashville date, stay the Nashville date and go to the fairgrounds. I would just hate to get to Nashville date and have to lose a race like Loudon. Because if I had to guess, that's probably your first one on the chopping block if you're going to replace them. We interrupt this door bumper clear podcast to give you this great important message from Filter Time. Dude, it's been two years since you actually joined the business with Blake Cook. So he started this company and he said, I was wondering if you'd help me, you know, promote it on social media and so forth.

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Sounds like he needs to stay away from McDonald's. I think I agree with his last statement. That was all. Call number two. TJ Majors, you're a fucking idiot. I don't know why in the fuck you'd want to spot for Joey Legano. You went from spotting from the most popular driver to the most hated. You're a fucking idiot.

I'll say it again. I don't even know why you're on the podcast because you suck. Remember when you said that you weren't on spot on spot off and that you finally didn't get a ton of shit well? There we go. You want me to give this guy, there's thousands of reasons why TJ's spot for Joe Placado. Yeah. Yeah. Thousands and thousands of reasons.

You know, you want to go and, you know, Joey had pursued me before, I actually turned him down to go work with him one time. I turned him down to stay with Dell Jr. And it was thousands of reasons more. and I turned it down because I didn't feel right doing it and that's something that a lot of people in the sport probably wouldn't have done but at the end of the day I turned it down because I didn't feel right

at the end of the, I was sitting there, I was actually driving to Disney and with my wife and she's sitting there and I'm like, you know what? I just can't do it. I don't feel right. It just didn't sit right with me so I turned it down and

Joey's been great man. I mean he's a studier, he's a worker, he races hard. You might not like, like the way he races, but Joey is really good. He's aggressive. And working with, spotting for aggressive drivers that are fast is fun. I mean, Brett, you guys know, when you're up there mixing it up and your guy's not afraid to do what it takes to get the win, that, that's fun. I know your guy must have been on the wrong

end to that stick a couple times. That's why you called and decided to leave this message, but there's thousands of reasons why I can keep going on about this right here. I've got, you know, we've been up front of it. I've won a lot of races since I've been at Pansky's already. I don't know how many we've won outright, but winning is fun. It doesn't suck. Call number three. Hey, y'all, I just wanted to say I love the show.

You guys really make my Tuesday mornings, at least when Donkey over there can be asked to upload the episodes on time. But I do have a question for Brett Griffin over there. After listening to last week's episode, how do you wear pants, bud? I mean, I've come to the conclusion that you must have Cajonis the side. the beach balls to criticize other drivers about spinning out intentionally. I just hope that old AJ doesn't get an itchy arm the next time he's out on track. Is it hot in there? Who?

Hey dude, I don't know who you are, but your accent sucks. That's all you got for this guy? That's it. That's weird. I couldn't hardly understand what he was saying because his accent's so bad. I disagree. What did he say about my balls? He said I got big balls or little balls.

He said you got big balls because you called somebody out for spin. and out on purpose. Beach, beach size, when you might have done it. And you might have done it in the past. I've never spun out on purpose. This guy was pretty funny, man.

I know you can hear it because you were grinning. He's sort of, I don't know what he's talking about. It's getting hot in there. He's all red. You miss an opportunity just to go. Nope. Nope.

Um, man, uh, thanks for calling, dude. I glad you think I got big balls. That's all he took from that conversation. Oh, my gosh. Next call. Santino fucking Faroochi. There's a reason why the other Indycar drivers called him the most punchable face in Indycar before he left. But spot on for Barry with the double barrel birds. Holla.

That's a, that's a junior motorsports fan for sure. Yeah. I honestly think Santino's run first. really well. Yeah, fans love that stuff. Hey, it's emotion. Santino's been good.

I thought Santino's been, yeah, he hasn't destroyed himself every week. I mean, he's been, I think he's doing pretty good. Oh boy, this guy was a nightmare yesterday. Go ahead. So we're five races into the season, and I'm trying to figure out what's more amazing

that we have five different winners in the five weeks of racing, or that Jimmy McMurray is. still ahead of Quinn Houth in the points. Who did we play this game with? Was it Larson? It was Larson? It took him like three quarters of a year to pass Larson after four races. Yeah, it was a long time. He was, damn, he was in the way yesterday again.

And I think I might have said it last week or the week before. If you're a lap car and the leaders are coming, and I don't know if the spotter says it, hey, leaders are coming. They're all running the edge of the grip. Like, why do you want to put yourself in the way? and even a guy that you praise a lot that's usually really good. He was rough yesterday. Was he driving?

I don't know if it was in. Yeah, he was in there. Yeah. But he's smart enough to know, like, if you're there, he'll kind of like back out. No, no, no, no. He didn't do it. It was off of four the whole way down the straightaway and even made us, like, we had to close the end. We had to go out.

We were inside into one. So I just don't understand why you, like, I get it. You're trying to get the most out of your race, but it's like, just small groups like when everything spread out like that it's easy to move down for a corner or something like that honestly it costing people some positions again because when they catch you off the corner they got to check up and that gives the guy behind them a run and i guess that's part of it so but why how did we pronounce this guy's name wrong for so long i listened yesterday to driver intros and they pronounced it quinn how did how we owe this kind of apology we've been the wrong guy for two years Huff sounds better.

You go Huff the Magic Dragon, whatever, like, yeah. You know, it's... Yeah, all right. We'll stick with Quinn Huff then. You guys are so rude. I don't know. Why don't we just ask him...

Can we not just ask Kim how to pronounce it? We should just have him on here. What a... No. Yeah. That'll go amazingly well. Yeah, that'll be huge. That would have went as well as it.

That'll be a three-hour episode when she's done it in it. Just so you know, and I don't... know if we told Brett or not, but we almost had, what's his name, come here and do a show with us, but we weren't sure of safety reasons that it was a good idea. It was like in the works of starting to happen. Mike Harmon? As long as he keeps his hands below his waist, we would not have any problem. We were going to get Mike Harmon on here to surprise Brett after. God. It was awesome.

Who else we got? Poor guy. Next one. You're right, Jason. These are good this week. I've seen Joe. He's already on Twitter. are complaining about how finishing second sucks. Well, how about next week at Atlanta, you do us all a favor and put her in the damn fence? Let's tweet her. I mean, you know, we sit here and praise guys for being mad for not winning. And like, I'm okay with a guy not being happy with second.

The guy wants to win. And I want to win too. So he's got that drive to still want to win. He's pissed off. And that's a, he's not happy. So I hope he goes to Atlanta and whoever your favorite drivers. I hope we wear him out. Next one.

Last one. Yo, what's up, fellas, man? I hope all is good, man. I just got to say a few things. I feel like, and I feel like Brett's probably forgot more about NASCAR, man, that most people know. Freddie, man, I want to see you get Bubba up front, man. Do you need me to come and help you change some tires? And the T.J., man, you do so much blocking, man.

I just hope everybody gets sick of and starts wrecking your ass. I feel like that voice. sounds really familiar. It's John from Minnesota. It's John from Minnesota, but he sounds a lot like a guy that I was hanging out with this weekend. It was weird.

John, I love John. Nice name. I was waiting for somebody to do this. I figured it was going to be you first. I think Chris Rice called in a couple weeks ago. Did he? I think so, because he was just like, like TJ sucks.

I feel like there could be a few people who would say that. That might have been me. It could have been Brett. It might have been Dillner. The only reason I knew that was Brett. It literally says TJ sucks. I think if you make that shirt,

then it'll sell like hotcakes. For a donation. We should do it. Oh, you were John. I'm going to make you a shirt that just has my name is John on it. The only reason I knew that was Brett because I could hear the ice and his glass clinking around.

in the back. I actually did it driving back from the racetrack, so there wasn't any ice in my glass. Well, I tweeted out for people to do it, and I was like, well, man, I need to see if this app, how it works. So it was really easy. So if you're listening to this podcast, leaving a note on Reaction Theater is probably the easiest thing you'll do all year.

Casey, tell them how to do it. Oh, yeah. So to leave an audio message 24-7, go to anchor.fm backslash dormupor clear and click the message icon. We'll play the best ones each week on the show. And these have been pretty great, so I can't wait to see who tops it next. Hey, I want to ask Brett's opinion on something. Yesterday we had the lineup set.

You know, they do their deal with this car starting here. Well, and I told Freddie, we talked a little bit about for the race. We had so many cars in the outside lane that the 10th place guy started fourth. Because of guys not passing tech. Tim, do you think that's right? You know what, T. I don't think it's right. I don't think that's, I think that needs to be looked at.

And I think you just change the entire lineup one position at the time. It's different, especially man with no qualifying. Like, I mean, it's just, there's no practice, there's no qualifying. There's no chance for these teams really to get their tech right, right off the truck sometimes. I mean, normally, if you unload and you're about to go out for the first practice and you can't get through tech, right? They let you out by with a safety inspection, but you got a couple days to work on it.

Just the fact that you qualified 10th and you really didn't qualify 10th, you ultimately drew the 10th spot based on their averaging system. So I think if you qualify 10th and five guys drop out, you should go to 5th. You know, you shouldn't get to go all the way to 4th just because you're in the right line. That does not make sense to me. Not to start the race. Yeah, I mean, the 10th place qualifier by their standards shouldn't start in front of the 5th place. qualifier. It should move.

If that guy fails tech, it should move, it should reset the lineup prior to the race. Absolutely. It's like you got DQed and everybody else moves up one spot. Yeah, if it's pre-raced tech, where the cars aren't even on the grid yet, you know, then, yeah, put the

guy to the back. Like, well, you're not, what's the difference? You know what I mean? Except you're... I mean, put the guy to the back, but it's just dumb, I'm saying, I'm saying, you're right, put the guy to the back, but move everyone up. Just don't, I mean, change the lineup. Like, don't, don't put them in a row and then moved the row forward. Because like you said, it's dumb luck.

It just happened yesterday. There was three guys in an outside line. So now the guys in the bottom are getting screwed because the whole outside line just moved up three or four rows. Honestly, it probably got Blaney a stage win in the beginning. I mean, he was top. What, he started fourth? He started fourth.

He was going to start 10th. Yeah. So, I mean, his car was quick in the beginning. He might have so got there, but that's six fast cars you've got to pass. You know? Yep. I was just curious on that. I think there can be some adjustment.

Speaking of failing tech, it's weird. We talked about how fast the Hendrick cars have been, and let's start the year, and then they all went ahead and failed tech this week. That seems to happen when cars start to stand out with speed. They start taking a little bit closer look, and it was all of them, right? 48, well, he passed tech,

but I felt like he was pretty average compared to how he normally runs there. They were fast still. I know they had Todd Parrott on Alderrudeau download, and I have not listened yet, and Todd Parrott of all the crew chiefs I've worked with, is still hands down my favorite guy to work with. I love that guy to death.

But I'd be curious to know if Todd would have talked about how teams tattletail on other teams, Freddie, right? So you know how it is, man. These guys are all friends, and they find out that one car is doing something he shouldn't be doing. And literally what happens is that team will go to a NASCAR official and say, hey, you need to look at this particular part on the right front of this organization's cars. So you're right. NASCAR certainly could have tightened the tolerances. seeing how fast some of the Hendrik cars have been,

but they also could have got told on. Yeah, and we saw that last year. There was allegedly some people with weight in the seat for pre-race tech that was coming out before the race that we think that some people were tattling on and a couple guys got busted with. But you're absolutely right that the garage kind of polices itself at times, too. I just wonder if there's some sort of, it seems to be a system now that when a guy fails tech. You know, when a fast top five car fails tech, he goes to the back, but he's immediately,

I mean, like the five, was 14th at lap 30. Fourteenth at lap 30. So is there some sort of system? Bring 10 illegal things to the track, so you hope they only find five of them. Like Cole Pern said, do you bring, you bring 10 things and really push one area when you know you're gaining your speed in this other area where they're not going to check, like it just seems to be a pretty, a pretty common thing now with some teams. With too many rules, the box is too small. I think NASCAR was built on being pioneered. And I like it where you run what you brung, man.

I'm a big fan of letting these engineers get out of these small boxes. If I got the smarter guy and my car is faster than yours, I'm not one to seek all this parody that we've been after, right? So a lot of rules, man, a lot of tight tolerances. And I don't know. As you keep doing these things, I just think you, you, you, you. you make what these brainiacs do for a living to make these cars go fast. You just keep making them less and less important, or maybe you make them more important

because they've got to work so much harder to try to find that edge. I don't know. Offerpad, question of the week. If you could add one feature of Denny Hamlin's house to your home, what would it be? And I would like to take the entire house. Let me start off by saying that. TJ. I mean, I don't even know where to start.

First of all, I wouldn't want anything Denny's already lived in. What? I'm just kidding. I was waiting. I mean, Denny's got his bedroom, I guess, is the size of most regular houses, but I'd just take the basketball gym.

It's nice. Ready. I don't know if there was nothing to do with the gym. The bar. He's got pretty bad. That whole room there is ridiculous. It's got like, it's a bar, it's a golf simulator,

it's like a cool sitting area. His three race cars are sitting there like in a glass-den room right next to you. Just give me that room. Maybe not his cars. Although he's great, hopefully we'll put some of our own cars in there. But that whole area there was pretty ridiculous. Has Danny put his house with offer pad yet?

So I have got to say I want the boat dock in the boat because, and I know that's not at the house, but it's part of the property. It's deeded to the property. He's got one of the coolest boats on Lake Norman, and I can have a damn good time on a boat. I've seen me do it. Does that mean you want the helipad with it to you? I'm confused because I've seen us have a hell of a time on your old pontoon boat. I don't think we really need Denny's monster of boat.

Well, Freddie, we can actually take that boat and we can put it on an 18-wheeler and we can take it to the intercoastal waterway and we can go anywhere in the world we want to go. We can't do that on my pontoon boat. I felt like we were anywhere we wanted to go those couple times. I just hope I'm around when Denny has a yard sale one day, a garage sale. Time to get into our X-Fi more than fast moments from Phoenix. Just like X-Fi, it takes more than speed to compete in NASCAR. Where did you see moments of teamwork, close calls, and solid communication this week? Brett.

Wow, the guy won the race, man, Martin Truex. I saw him struggling to start the first of those 312 laps that he had to run yesterday to bring at home. So I've got to go with Martin Truex and his crew because they made exceptional changes. And this is rare. This is very rare, but the fastest car won the race. Yeah. I mean, I agree with you because I saw, and even Martin, I think, referenced it in his post-race interview that he thought he had a 15th place car to start the race off. And, man, they made it better, obviously, because he was the rocket ship at the end there. But my more than fast moment is going to go to a couple of guys that we had to see.

same plan that they actually executed when I, in the Xfinity race. Mine's going to Ty Gibbs and Brandon Brown and a couple other guys that were on the inside line on that final restart when I don't know, there was another car that went in there and kind of moved up to top lane. I don't know who it was. It might have been the 10 car. But we had talked about that exact same thing, choosing the bottom because somebody's going to go in there and clean the top lane out. I didn't think it was going to be us, but unfortunately it was. And we were inside Thai and Ty kind of let us go and turned back underneath us.

took off and him and Brandon Brown ended up second and third. So that's my moment of them to be smart enough to hook the bottom there and get back up front. Your moment should have been Jeb pissing. I think he did right then. My more than fast moment is going to be the 22 pit crew. They gained four spots on pit road in that last stop and we're able to put us in the lead and have a shot at winning the race. Our pit crew was awesome all day.

And, you know, those guys, it takes the whole team and that's a big part of it. So those guys get it from me this week. Here on DBC, it's always about being more than fast. Martin True X Jr. is this week's door bumper clear, Xfinity X-5, more than fast moment winner. What else is more than fast? Xfinity X-Five. It delivers the speed your devices need,

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Thanks to Xfinity, premier partner of NASCAR. What an idiot. Time for Brett's favorite segment of the week. What an idiot. Brett, who takes this week's One Idiot Org? I think I gave it out earlier in the show. Mike Joey, I love you, man. You do a great job in the booth.

You're a great ambassador for our sport. You love Barrett Jackson. You love to buy and sell cars, man. I got a ton of respect for you. But you got to own the Noah Gregson call out. What an idiot. TJ. I got to give it to anybody who thought that when Martin Truex hit the wall in the beginning of the race,

that he was done for the day. Because if there's anybody that can adjust a car and fix a car after it's been crashed, like Martinsville, when they saw the hole right front off the car so they could cool the tire down and he could be. super fast rest of the race. If you don't think those guys can get a car tuned up after some damage, you're an idiot. Freddie. I'm going to go with the guy that's continuing to decide that we need comp cautions in the truck

and Xfinity series because we throw a caution 20 laps into the race and nobody comes down pit road. So I don't see a reason for him. So if we're going to continue that, then you're an idiot. My driver needs it. You need to stop with that stuff. Oh yeah, yours, Mike. We need track time.

You need to calm down. You need track time. You need to stay green then. No, we need to, we need that yellow us in an lead lap. Hey, first of all, if it. The series doesn't want to pay $2,000 for another set of tires, right? The owners don't want to do that, and they don't need to pit. So we don't need the cautions.

I agree with, I agree with both of you guys on that because there's no team better than Martin Truex's. And look, the tolerance has kind of changed. If you've been in an accident, NASCAR has to realize that in post-race tech. So, TJ's on his game. Freddie, you're on your game too, man. Freddy's on his game so much that he's usually the comp caution in the truck series. Lately it's been a disaster. The 19...

No, I'm just going to... I'm part of that Ben Rhodes jinks now. All of a sudden, everything's gone bad for everybody that left Ben Roads. Hey, what's up, DBC fans? If you haven't heard about Anchor, it's the easiest way to make a podcast. Let us explain. Well, first of all, Freddie, the best part is it's free. There's nothing better than using a free awesome service.

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TJ will be your first guest. So download the free Anchor app or go to anchor.fm to get started. That's A-N-C-H-O-R dot FM to get started. Time for DVC picks. TJ, you won with Denny Hamlin after Phoenix. What a great pick. I know, man, solid. I just pick Denny again.

But Freddie does still lead with the score of 3 to 1 to 1. Freddie, you are first. Man, I want to pick this guy, but he ain't been very good lately, but I don't think I can get away from him. He wants Harvick. Kevin Harvick. Yep. Brett. That's a good pick, Freddie, that's a good pick.

But he's not going to out run my guy. I'm going with the two car, Brad Keselowski. TJ? I'm actually feeling a little bit of Ryan Blaney this weekend. What can we expect in Atlanta? What should we look out for? Tireware, tire wear, tire wear. Hallelujah.

You're going to see a lot of guys getting loose in three and four when they're left around the yellow line and they hit the bumps. You're going to see Kevin Harvick lift the start finish line, hook the bottom of turn one and two, and not understand how he's a half a second fast in everybody. You're going to see Kevin Harvick drive three and four and stay out of the throttle for about a second long. Everybody has and still beat him to start finish line.

I tell you what, man, if that happens, it's going to tell you how good Kevin Harvick really is there because I feel like these downforce tracks, the arrow package for Stuart Haas Racing has not been solid. They've really struggled at these downforce tracks. So if he goes to Atlanta, which is still a downforce track, I mean, obviously you got tire wear, but the arrow part of that puzzle is huge. If he can go there and be as dominant as we've seen him be in the past, I think it speaks I'm changing my pick. I'm changing my pick.

I got to change my pick. I'm going. You can't change my pick Kurt Busch. I'm going with Kurt. I know that's probably... Kurt Bush. Brett and Freddie can veto that decision, so... No, they can't.

They don't... They can't veto. I like it. Let him have it. I mean, it's not like I'm going to a ringer. Blaney was... He'll be pretty good. Let him have him.

I'll tell you what the... You're talking about Harvard. Like, I remember in 2001, that was a really, really weird year, right? We had Dale Earnhardt die, first race of the year. We had 9-11 happen. We ended up running New Hampshire as the last race of the season. Robbie Gordon won, I think, if that's right, instead of us running it where we would typically run it, right?

We run it Thanksgiving weekend. I'll never forget, man, ate Thanksgiving dinner, and Ellie and I went to the airport and flew out. But seeing Kevin Harvick win that fourth race of the year back in 2001, driving that white 29 car was a pretty surreal moment. That's the one where it was a photo finish with him and Gordon. And you look at that, man, that was foreshadow. And Harbick that year was full-time in the Bush Series, is what it was called. I think he went on to win the championship in 2001 and the number two AC Delco car.

But when you look at Atlanta in the cup car, his first ever race, and he goes out and win it at Atlanta. Like, I mean, that was clearly foreshadowing for how damn good he is there. So I'm looking forward to Atlanta because it's a place that's going to wear tires out there in Darlington or abrasive surfaces. And they tend to put on the best shows for me as a race fan and being a guy that's following. of the sport for a long time. So I'll be watching from Myrtle Beach. I want you guys to know that. I will be back in studio on Monday, though.

I'll make sure I'm home by then. Jeez. We heard that before. Yeah. I think as a fan, you just want to go to these racetracks where the drivers matter. Homestead of drivers matter. Vegas, it showed up a little more than you expected. Atlanta is going to be a track where the driver matters.

So, you know, this is what you're looking forward to as a race fan. This could be a potential option for what you talk about is going to be a NASCAR. track, but this wouldn't be a bad place to end the season that I don't think. You know, anywhere that's cold. It'd be cold. But we went there in March, it wasn't that bad? It almost snowed. Didn't it snow like one year?

It did snow it out. It snowed it out a long time ago. Have fun with that. It'll be good. It'll be fun. I went in 1997. I drove down in college, man, 1997. Jeff Bodine sat on the pole because it was so cold.

The track was so fast. His pole speed that year was like 197 miles an hour. We were camped down there and turns three. and four in a tent, man. And it did. I've seen it snow several times in Atlanta when it was a second. Didn't they cancel it one time? It was rolled back in the days.

Yeah, they postponed. Yeah. I remember getting frostbite on the golf cart from it. It is brutal. I think Atlanta's the asphalt or Atlanta, like Brett was saying, some of the best on the circuit. So it should be a great race. All right, well, before we go,

I just want to remind everybody that you all gave me a ton of shit. for not bringing Chick-fil-A ever, and I bring cake, my own birthday cake. It's on your birthday, we can't eat it. Well, my birthday is a week from today, so next Monday when we're recording, just make sure you're extra nice to me. Everybody, this is Christmas week. Thank you. St. Paddy's Day, Wednesday.

Now I'm a little afraid. Remind, I'm sorry that it is my birthday week. I'm afraid of it now. It's fun-frey cake. Just because you guys gave me some. I mean, I'm afraid. That was a little bit of anger. Who made that cake?

I didn't make it. My sister-in-law. Did Henry Benfield make it? Which sister-in-law? Brooke? Yeah. Oh, come on. My sister-in-law, Henry Benfield.

Yeah, that sounds good. Was it Julian's birthday, too? His birthday was last week, so we did a split dinner. Julian's on our team now. He is. So everyone's aware it's Casey's birthday week. She said her alarm one week before. I'm going to celebrate.

When's your birthday? Monday. This show. Do you remember last year, I think it was St. Patty's Day? I got, I might have gone out and celebrated St. Paddy's Day a little too hard. And I face-timed you and Chad at like 10 o'clock. You definitely did. That was awesome.

And you didn't remember it either. No, no idea. I'm a serial facetimer when the alcohol gets rolled. What day of the week of St. Patrick? Wednesday. Wednesday. Catch it. The Galloway Hooker, if you need me.

All right. Well, Jason is going to be editing until 2 in the morning. So let's, uh. Do we just hang up on Brett so you can talk anymore? He's still there. All right, well, have a great week, everyone. Thank you all for listening. Don't forget to like, share, comments, all the good things.

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