Door Bumper Clear - 207 - Mike Joy: Clearing the Air

Episode Date: March 23, 2021

After NASCAR’s tripleheader race weekend at Atlanta Motor Speedway, T.J. Majors, Freddie Kraft and Brett Griffin convene in studio to react to everything that went down. Plus, NASCAR on FOX’s lead announcer Mike Joy joins the show to discuss his difference of opinion with the spotting trio.First, Freddie and T.J. share about the challenges both Bubba Wallace and Joey Logano faced on the abrasive Atlanta surface. Along with co-host Casey Boat and producer Jason Schultz, Brett shares his perspective from watching as a fan and lists all that he accomplished during the 500-mile race. This leads to a conversation about whether the event was too long and what needs to be done about it.In Spot on/Spot off, the spotters first address Larson saying he hates Joey Logano after Logano’s teammate Ryan Blaney won by passing the No. 5 car late in the race on Sunday. T.J. shares his perspective and what Logano was fighting for at that moment.Then the conversation turns to the Xfinity Series drama. The crew weighs in on Noah Gragson backing into Daniel Hemric’s pit stall and making contact with No. 18 car, and whether they believed it was intentional or not. Then, they talk the post-race altercation between the drivers and crew members. Should anyone have been penalized? They state their cases.After seeing how the racing in Atlanta played out – does the track need a repave and should the grass situation be fixed? See which side of the debates the spotters fall on.The NASCAR Cup Series will race on dirt for the first time in 51 years this weekend at Bristol Motor Speedway. Hear the gang’s thoughts on the race format, how they expect the event to go, and who to watch for and not watch for this weekend.Mike Joy then joins the show for a conversation ranging from working with the unfiltered Clint Bowyer in the booth to the attitudes of young racers. He shares his perspective regarding his recent tweets about paid drivers and hears out the spotters’ opinions. Learn where they net out on the topic after last week’s Twitter back-and-forth.Hear Joy’s perspective on how the season has played out thus far and if he’s on board with the “Best Season Ever” tagline. Plus, find out what he expects to see at Bristol.In Reaction Theatre, T.J. feels anything but love, Freddie hears complaints and a caller leaves the best song in Reaction Theatre history.Lastly, hear about what moments from Atlanta were Xfinity xFi “More Than Fast,” if Fast Lane is rigged and this week’s “What an Idiot” awards. Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hey, what's up? You're listening to Door Bumper Clear. I'm Freddie Craft, and of course we have a big show today. We'll cover Noah Gragson and Daniel Hemrick going out at on pit road, preview the Bristol Dirt Race, and chat with Mike Joy about his series of tweets. Let's get started. Nobody's listening, but I don't care. I'm on an episode of Door Bumper Clear. Hey, everybody, I'm T.J. Majors. It's part of the 22 Cup car, the one truck, off an exciting weekend. in Atlanta and a full house finally. What's up everybody?

Brett Griffin back from Myrtle Beach. Spotter for Collick Racing. And to my right is the guy who told Mike Joy, he is full of . That is true. What's up? Freddie Craft. Spotter, Bubba Wallace, Derek Krauss, Jeff Burton this week. Eventful week in Atlanta.

We'll get to that. But we have our, we have a full house. I can't believe. Like, this is the first time all year, second time all year. We have a full house. Hi. and it just so happens to be Casey's 37th birthday. So happy birthday, Casey.

That's rude. Happy birthday. I'm supposed to see 20. How old are? We don't want to talk about it. I stopped at age 27. So let's just go there. So.

It still starts with a two though, right? I mean, we're talking. We're not going to talk about it. We're just not. It's pretty. There's no way she's still in her 20s. What are you trying? I know she was 29.

You're supposed to be nice to me. It is my birthday. So. I thought you were going to bring a chick-fil-A for your birthday. Why would I bring you? I brought you guys cake last week and nobody showed any appreciation. I didn't. I'll be honest.

I didn't trust it. Whatever. Well, anyway. They were brownies, weren't they? No, there was a giant cake. Fun Betty, yeah. She's like, oh, yeah, my friend Henry made it. So you guys try this.

Yeah. So happy birthday, Casey. How old are you, Casey? We're not going to talk about it. Let's just say that I, my lovely daughter was the first person to say happy birthday. at two in the morning when she wanted to wake up to eat. She's saying happy birthday already? That's pretty impressive.

So what are you again? Are you still on the twos or did you hit the three? We're not talking about it. I think you're still on the two. It's my day. We'll talk about it after my birthday. It's my day. I can be as young as I want to.

We're going to get mimosa's like this. You're going to feel 21. Yes, we're going to get mimosa. I can be 21 if I want to today. So we're just going to roll with it. We wanted to bring you something to take a shot of, but we were scared you wouldn't do it. I think you would have done it.

We should have. Jason, do we have any. leftover alcohol here? Oh, you cleaned it out last year. People, we need more booze on this table. There should be a bar somewhere. I mean, the table is big enough, so we can fit it. I don't understand why Dale Jr. didn't build a bar in this room. I mean, like, that's his, he's had bars everywhere he's ever been. He can't even get working headsets in this room. He had a nightclub in his freaking house, and we can't even get a bar in this video.

We can easily fit a rolling bar back there, so. Oh, my gosh. You remember that this goes back away. You've been to the basement? You've been to that basement at the old house. holy cow man clubby dude when you would walk across you knew it was a good night when you went down there in the morning and you were just walking your feet stuck to the floor yeah that was usually a good night let's go back to this bar because i think we can make this happen do we uh can get some sponsors well we don't know if you're old enough so i'm 21 we need to card you no are we going to see your ID if i can still be carded then done perfect i'll take it we will card you every time just yeah you're going to need to see your license we were at i was at dinner with my parents and my mom got carded and i didn't so my mom yeah mom can i see your license

anyways we can't forget our lovely producer jason hey what's that really our producer are you yeah shared where's dillner are you like having withdrawals no it's not in the room i saw this morning we're good tail was i thought the tail was slowly wagging this morning it's like he saw him but he's he tailed off dillner's in his office right now waiting for dail jrude something so he can be the first one to tweet back to it. Does he respond to every tweet Dale Jr. says? It looks like it.

It tags him in it. Oh, hey, I'm here, Dale Jr., reply to me. I think my favorite is in our group chat when he, like, he'll respond to messages we sent maybe like a week or two ago. Like, last night he responded something we sent maybe two weeks ago. That's because we know where his priorities are. We don't exist to him. Anyways, how was Atlanta?

I want to know, T.J., how was Atlanta? Atlanta was fine. Hot when the sun was out, cold when the clouds came, windy. I can't wait for reaction theater. I had to put my jacket on for the last stage because it finally got chilly. So, yeah, I did the truck race, and I had to stay for the Xfini race. At the end of the Xenna race, I was like, I was starting to get cold. Yeah, it was cold.

It was weird because when the sun was out, it was actually like T-shirt weather. But when it would go away, it's like, man, I wish I had my jacket. So. I assume before we get to, you know, we get some. spot on, spot off. I'm sure we'll get to talk about the end of the race. Oh, I'm sure. It didn't seem like you were very good because you were around me an awful lot yesterday. You cannot tell me how lucky you got when the second caution came out right away. It saved you

so much track position because you got the Lucky Dog. And never at Atlanta do you have 25 wave-arounds. Literally, you went from being the Lucky Dog starting behind all them guys to starting like 14th or 15th or something. I told Bub, I said, we were racing Cole Custer for the Lucky Dog, so we got it, and it was a quick caution. It was like five laps or so.

I don't even think it wasn't even five, because everyone would have been. I mean, it might have been. I don't know. It was enough to where, no, it might have been five because we pitted. Right around there. Yeah.

Everybody pit, and when I was looking, I said, oh, wow, the leader's way. Like Blaney was the leader, I think, off pit road. And I look, and he's like three quarters of the way through the field. I was like, oh, this is going to be perfect. Yeah.

I said, we're, and Bubba was like, you know, no mistakes. We've got to start the tail anyway. And I was like, yeah, the tail's going to be about 15th right here. Yeah. You literally, you lined up right behind me. And I was like, I was in a lucky son of a gun. Like all the way around is it at Atlanta. Like if it would have went much further, like another five laps,

they probably all would have pitted too. They probably would have pitted, yeah. Because they would erase each other for Lucky Dog. Yeah. So, I mean, that's, hey, take it. We were pretty good. I think we were going to run. Better than us.

We were going to run 12 to 30. 13th, I think, maybe. And then the last week, two weeks in a row now, we've gotten so unlucky with cars blending around us off pit road when we're getting ready to pit, and then they get a penalty. Like last week it was the eight, I think. So now he, Phoenix, he darts across the apron to get the pit road and cuts us off, kind of jacks up our pit entry a little bit, costs us a little bit of time.

This week, we go around the 99. Oh, I saw him come back around. And then he had a penalty. because he had a penalty. So he runs in the back of us twice in the middle of the corner because you can obviously charge your entry a little bit harder on new tires versus old tires. So he runs in the back of us and then comes around the outside

and doors the right side of our car and tears it all up. You got to give him a lane, man. We're trying to get the pit road. Svarez just smoked you coming to pit road. But he had tires too. I was to say he had tires. I don't know that he, so we made it obvious. We tried to make it obvious.

They were like they were all blending off the bottom. So I said, you got to, the 99's got, I can't get to the 99. I don't know. There's no time for me to get there. You know, he's all the way to the end of the thing. So I said, you know, make it obvious. So Bubba literally went from the top all the way to the apron. Yeah.

Pass somebody inside like, hey, you know, that's kind of the way they tell each other, you know, drive the bottom, whatever. Yeah. You're coming. So I don't know if he wasn't paying attention. Bubba was waving, I'm assuming, and just run all over to back of us, then run to the outside, drove in the side of us. I don't know wheels and I don't have his phone number,

but if you tell him that if, he actually pits on the early and front end of the cycle, this won't happen. I don't know if that's, I don't know if he knows that. Hey, bud. We're trying something different. Well, let me know how that. A caution comes out. When you wait a lap or two at a place like Atlanta and they come out two seconds faster

than you, they straight away you in no time. Like you cannot wait. Oh, you lose a straight way in two lapses. Because here's the thing in a place like Atlanta, if you say, all right, I want four lap fresher tires in case a caution comes out. Well, if a caution comes out, everybody's going to come get tires anyway. So not a lot of reasoning. in my mind that makes sense to stay out there long.

I mean, if the theory in that is you're going to come out, you're going to have three lap better tires, four lap better tires, fire off a lot better, and run them guys down. But for whatever reason yesterday, and it's worked, you know, numerous times in the past, but for whatever reason yesterday, we just didn't, we didn't have that speed to where we could fire off and make up that distance. We came out behind T.J.

On the last one, I thought we were better than him, but we just didn't have. I think after one cycle, though, it's your job to identify that's not happening, and you got to pit when everybody else is pitting. I mean, you watch the guys who pit it early, like Ryan Newman, benefit greatly from it. Oh, yeah. You find out what lap people are kind of coming on. I don't even mind coming a lap before that,

like shortening that a little bit, because once you get track position on somebody, it's almost impossible to get it back. So you need to be on the front side of it. We were a lap late a couple times, and that cost us a little bit. But, I mean, we just struggled all day. Similar to Homestead,

just stalked. there. We were off last time there a little bit. It seems like Homestead and Atlanta have become our two worst places. But we got some other strong places coming up, so we'll be fine. I'll tell you one thing. I don't know how this played out at home, Brett, but I felt like that race flew by yesterday. It just didn't seem like it took very long. I watch some of it. Listen to me. All right, I'm a fan now, right? I'm not working like you guys are. How many naps did you take? I listen to the beginning of the race in my car. I watched the end of stage one at the Mexican restaurant right here, Del Sur off of Ex 33.

I drove home after stage one. I watched the beginning of stage two. Bodie and I played baseball in stage two. I cooked dinner in stage two. I had a beer in stage two. I went mowed my grass in stage two. It stage two still wasn't over. That was the longest race ever.

I looked up one time in Atlanta's, I think it's like one of the only places that has, on the scoreboard, it says what lap it is and how many laps to go at the same time. Which I like. Oh, I love it. Charlotte does it too. I get really confused around halfway because I don't know which side's which. But I do the same thing. I'm like, wait a minute.

Oh, boy. But yesterday I looked at it, but I'm like, who, hopefully this thing is about halfway or so. And it was like 230 laps to go. I was like, oh, my God. The TV has a counter and it says, you know, lap X of Y. So lap 10 of 170 or whatever. I'm thinking that's to the end of the race. No, that was to the end of stage two.

You guys had a whole other Xfinity. race to run after stage two was over. It was forever long. Yeah, the race was too long. And I'll say this, Saturday's race, the Xfinity race was amazing. It was an amazing show. It was amazing aggression, restarts, talent, fights. You had everything you could ask for in a race. Yesterday's race was a snooze fest. And that's unfortunate because I know watching that race live, it probably wasn't a snooze fest, but TV is shooting everything so tight. Was it pretty bad? Yeah. Honestly, that's probably The, we need, we need less down for us and big motor there, man. We need motor there.

Hands down, you need motor there. And Atlanta used to be a place, I'm telling you, guys used to crack, used to be able to back the cars in the corner. We cannot do that. These cars, this used to be, and it's still a great racetrack because of the falloff and things like that. It's only thing to save it. It's, man, it's just, it's not the, um, there is no, I know people are using the top a little bit, but, man, there is no, like, these cars are too, stuck. I watched Larson pass for the lead. He goes into one up by the wall and turns down

the track and just pat like that's you should not be able to do that in these cars like in my opinion. This is just me. The spaller is two foot tall and we need more motor. I want to see a guy throttle up and you know the car start rotating and turn

and chase it. I mean we don't I mean and don't get around those guys that we're fighting that stuff but you should never be able to go into Atlanta and go into the top and turn to the bottom in the middle of the corner, similar to what Chase did at Vegas. I will say there was one organization not doing that. Stuart House Racing had three cars at the top of their four cars, not even on the lead

lap at the end of stage one. Obviously, Harvick made a great comeback. I thought Custer had a decent day. I can't be more surprised at how bad those guys are a mile and a halfs right now. Honestly, I think the only cars that can do that were the Hensur cars. Yeah. Everyone else, I mean, if we went on the bottom, we were chasing it up on exit. We could not turn.

And even Blaney, I didn't see Blaney. Blaney was fast, but he couldn't make moves like that. He had a lot of speed, but he couldn't do the, he didn't have the driveability like Larson did. I'm going to go in up here and turn down here. If you're Stuart Haas, Freddie, are you hitting a panic button after that one? Yeah, because I saw a tweet this morning. Kevin Harvick had led 49% of the laps in like the last seven races. He dominated that race last year.

Going into yesterday. And obviously he had an issue with a flat tire, but nonetheless, he wasn't Superman like normal. He didn't drive back to the front. Jordan Bianchi tweeted this quote. from Kevin Harvick during the race yesterday, this is the biggest pile of crap I've ever driven at Atlanta. That would make me hit the panic button, yes. I mean, I remember him dominating this race.

The Xfinity race whenever he runs it. Obviously it was a different package, but when he used to be able to do it, Atlanta, was run the bottom of one and two the way nobody else could. Same thing at Richmond. Yeah, and be light years faster than us. He could do it in three and four as well. Like, Harvick knew how to run three and four

and not tear the tires up and be fast. Like, and there's, honestly, that was the craft of Atlanta. Who can run around here and not burn the tires up?

You used to have guys in beginning of the race that would take off in 15th. 15 laps in. They're running 8th. You guys would have laughed at this. So in the middle of one of the segments when they break to Larry Mack,

who I think works as hard as anybody in the broadcast world. Oh, he works really hard. But, TJ, they break to him and he's got this good year tire sitting there, and he's got like a cheese grater showing how the,

tire wears and I'm thinking with all the technology that all these forms of motorsports have could we look any more podunk right now than what we're doing I mean this literally with this like thing trying to cheese grate this tire I kind of like it you needed to see the segment I was like maybe this is this is kind of odd but it literally if you look at Atlanta it eats tires listen if they're going to repave that place repave it with the cheese with cheese graders if you can whatever you got to do you've got to take if you're going to if you're going to mess with that racetrack if you don't go hire whoever did Homestead, you're a complete moron. Yeah, if you don't put stuff that's going to

tear the tires up, we're going to have a Texas. I think this segment into spot on. Yes. Yeah, we're going to get into this. So do we, do we think that we need to shorten some of these races? Because I feel like we've had this. That package right there, that's too long of a race. Daytona 500, Coke 600, Southern 500, nothing else 500 miles. If I own that racetrack and our TV, I would get together and I would say, When we go back in the summer, it's do a 350-mile race. Because Xfinity race is literally perfect. It's a two-and-a-half-hour window, and it's entertaining, and nobody's riding. You're not going to see Kyle Larson get a 10-11-second lead if the race is that short.

The way the stages play out, you just won't see it. And Saturday was awesome for, like, TV coverage because we had a double header. So, I mean, all day, you can spend your Saturday watching. And the way these stage lengths work, everybody's splitting them square in the middle to come get tires. So even, like, I mean, we saw some guys with some tires used later in the race. But the way the stages are played out. you're never going to see that actually become a factor. You know what?

I don't like it. You just mentioned, you know, he had like an 8 to 10 second lead at one point. That used to be, and honestly that when a guy did that, the only time I've ever seen anybody really drive away, like remember at Del Jr. at Daytona that one time where he just drove away. Every time he was at Daytona just drove away. He was so loose that run. I mean, sideways loose.

This guy, I mean, nothing taken away then. Those guys built a stupid fast race car. I mean, great job by then. I think he's getting this shit figured out. But we're in trouble. But I'm also saying, like, you could probably take majority of the guys. That car, he barely had to lift. He's not doing, I mean, not saying he could drive a loose race car too,

but these guys aren't having to drive the cars to get that. You know what I mean? Like, it's just a RC car. And he's just, you know. I'll tell you who was good yesterday. I'll tell you what, his number 5 RC car is a lot faster than his number 42 RC car used to be because he looks like, He's kicking himself in the ass for signing that last contract.

He signed at Gannasi when he had all those options to go all those places. He didn't take it and he won a few races after that. His number 5 RC cars seems a hell of a lot faster than the 48, 24 and... I will say this. If he doesn't... If things play out and he just signs the different organization there, he's probably in trouble right now. You know what I mean?

He's probably not doing what he's doing right now. Yeah, he's probably not set up for the long term like he is right now. He's at Stuart Haas. He's not running as good as he is right now. No, anything. I mean, he said him. I'll tell you who was impressive. Busher?

Busher was good yesterday. I think he was top ten. De Benedetto was, I don't know what happened to him at the end because I looked up and he was in top five most of the day. I'd seen he finished 10th or something. But RCR pretty much as a whole. First of all, do you know how they got the track position right there? Busher. I mean De Benedetto.

Yeah. The three and the 21 got shuffled up there that we restarted next to the 21 on that restart. We go into one and the one Rex and. in front of us. Well, we have to lift because this guy's coming straight across the racetrack. They put him in sixth. They put DeBenadeo in sixth, and they put us in 16th. Yeah. Bubba was asking me where you were lining up because you drove by us under that, you know, but I didn't know where you were before that. We were, I mean, we were like 10th into the wreck. Yeah. And they put us in 16th and put him in sixth. So even though, but like the three was fast,

the 99. Yeah, they held their position. The 99 was fast, which I don't know if a lot of people realize that 99 is just similar to our situation is a is a is a is a is an rc r car it's not like it's not like an r pm deal where they're an alliance of rc rc and get that car i believe is out of rccr shop right yeah i mean that's that's just the third they built a that was a fast car they were they were they were fat i mean right until the time he tore our door off um but yeah and even reddick was fast but he got the wall early and got behind on laps and it had some damage but even him at the end was ripping the top and he had speed so them guys them shivis moved talked about last year where they might have started sharing some notes when they did this engine

package but that in the nose i'm telling you that nose is big the down force r c rc and and hendrick are both probably the too fasts organization that down force to me is showing up with the way larson can maneuver that car like that that to me is showing up now more they figured it out more but swarez man great car by them hate travis mac had to miss it but um it looked like swara's the closer he got to the front the more aggressive like the more he like drove harder like um and then he, like, the worst penalty you can get that's self-inflicted is speeding on pit road. Like, it's the last green flag pit stuff.

Like, why? Just, you have a fast car. Take advantage of that on the track, you know? He, yeah. There was one point on one of the last restarts. I said to Bubba, I said, you know, just be heads up in. Because he was fast, like you said, he was driving the hell out of it, and he was slide up in front of people. There was tight holes.

And I said, just watch this 99's a little wild right here. Came back to bite me. It's karma. I'm getting the nod from Jason. I have to talk about one thing before we go. He's got to go get ready for the day. We have our own parking lot at Atlanta. You remember where we parked yesterday?

It was like right down the bottom of the stairs there. And there was a very nice young lady working the parking lot named Katie. Oh, I didn't get her name. She likes you. And she doesn't like you. No, she doesn't like the guy I spot for. Yeah. She came.

She was walking over and she came. I rolled a window down. And her and she had a partner. I think his name was Jesse. He is hilarious, dude. And she says, do you like TJ? And I said, no. And, of course, I was sitting with Lambert, and Lambert said, who's TJ?

But anyway, so I said, what are you doing? She said, we're taking a poll. I think Josh probably said, go around and see if anybody likes TJ. Do you know why she was doing that? Yeah, oh, yeah. Because we had her, when Doug and Josh pulled up, we had her, had them go out. over there and be like they pull up and just park in the front like pole position like we got here really late we're going to park in the front anyway and they're like you guys can't park here and of course

josh uh when you know got mad and and i don't know if she told you that or not but josh and doug would get mad because Doug always gets mad dog always gets mad you could be like dud the sky's blue no it's not as cloud no Doug you're a hack um so you know we knew and We're back there, like, crying, laughing. And there's a... So that was Doug's little. I said... So we're taking a poll.

And Doug was over there standing there. He's laughing. He's like, Josh is so mad. And she said, we're taking a poll to see who likes T.J. I said, have you found anybody yet? And she said, yeah, the guy over there, True Exist Spotter. So that explains it. He's new.

So we'll figure it up. But they were nice. They were awesome. They'd come over and they were actually really funny. And they were doing a good job keeping riffraff out of of our parking lot. So I appreciate that. The funny thing about spotter parking is, and you guys are going to agree with me on this, it's very rare all three of us are great.

But we were always treated like crap when it came to where we parked and how we got to the roof. And once the pandemic hit, we have these VVIP parking lots where we can't get any closer to. I could pull my car in the damn elevator now and get straight to the roof, whereas before it was like, you guys don't belong here. You guys need to park way to hell out there. we don't care where you guys park. You're not a guest to the racetrack. The fans are. Hey, we're here to work, right?

So they're not going to jump on this bandwagon as much as they really want to because they got to go to Bristol and I don't. But I'm telling you, the best thing to happen to Spotters is a pandemic. It made our schedule easier and it made our parking passes better. Yeah. I got a couple messages from fans at Atlanta, too, that were wanting to say hi, but didn't get a chance to do that. But yeah, that's cool, man, that people still listen and want to say hi and stuff.

I'm jealous. My workout for, like, every race day was walking from the parking lot to the track because he has to park so far. So we could go back. Well, we have a very full show today because later we have a special guest, Mike Joy, going to be videoing in. And I know Freddie has a ton of tons of questions for him. No, I really just have one question for him, but that's fine.

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My job isn't to run his race for him. So spot off for using your stuff up and not be able to move around and pass us like you were earlier in the race. That's basically it. Maybe tell us what, like, for those who didn't get to watch the race yet, what happened? We're running like, what are we on like 14, 15, something like that in that area? And we just running our race, bottom three and four, because we couldn't move up that well. And three quarters with the racetrack through one and two. And that happened to be where Larson was running.

And if the caution comes out, I mean, we weren't, we didn't do anything to, he couldn't even get to us, really. He couldn't even get there to make an attempt to pass. So that's whenever you're not just going to pull over if a guy can't get to you, especially when you've got a teammate that could possibly win behind him. And not that we're doing anything different, but if the caution comes out and we get a good restart, we get a couple spots on pit row or restart 13th, we get a good restart. We're 8th place, you know, and that's a big difference in points

from 15th, 16th or something that we're going to be if we get lapped. Not that we did anything different, but Kyle Larson caught us earlier in a race, drove right around us, moved lanes, turned down, from the top drove right by us well this time he got there and couldn't do that and it's not our job to just move out of the way for the leader like that i mean it if you have a teammate leading yeah you might cut him a little bit more of a break but i saw the five cut the nine a break earlier in the race when he ran him down he could have lapped him but he didn't and we were trying to stand on the lead lap and we were just running our race and kyle even admitted it after the race like many times he just i used

my stuff up and he did so you can't it's not I would have been disappointed if we just moved over and let him go at that point, especially if a caution comes out. You're going to sit there. You're going to be mad. I mean, wouldn't you be? So first off, I'm spot on because who doesn't hate Joey and T.J. But I think where the problem comes in here is Larson wasn't going to win that race.

I think even whether Joey Lugano was on the racetrack or not, Ryan was going to run Larson down and pass him. You know, he might have had a little bit harder time if Larson was in clean air. but it's not a bit cleaner is not as big of an advantage there as it is other places but um the optics of it were not great because like the second ryan got to lead joey bales to the bottom and lets everybody go but it's his teammate now like tj said you're not first of all you're the last car in lee lap you're not like it's not like you're one down trying to go to trying to try to faint going two down if you're if you're if you're if you're you know if you catch a caution

there it's it could be anything could be a top five could be a win you know you never know So you're going to race to stay on the lead lap And then like you said Your teammates catching the guy from behind There's no there's no reason to get out of his way there And I don't really think He never really got to the point Where I would even consider getting out of the way

He was every time I looked up He was at least five car lengths back or more He never got to us Like he was never like up his ass Like getting blocked by Joey So as much as I'd like to blame TJ For the end of their race I think Blaney was going to win no matter what

I think Larson was just too used up Yeah spot off on Larson If you're going to be mad at somebody, be mad at the guy that drove by and sucked your door number off when he came by. T.J. had three reasons not to move. Number one, Stenley. Lap. Number two, if he's going to lose a lap, you're racing for Lucky Dog. You still got to go as hard as you can. And number three, that's his teammate behind Larson. Larson never got positioned to make a pass. Three to five car links as close as I saw him. And, I mean, it just wasn't enough. He ran out of grip. I will say that after once Blaney goes by, we just stayed, we stayed up. Larson had to run at that point because we had to run the high, we ran the high spot through three and four. But after he went by us, we tried to pass him twice back. Yeah. So he wasn't, we were like, he didn't drive away from us. We were there. So he just used his stuff. And he just, and he said it. I watched multiple interviews where he said he tried to build a gap in the beginning part of the run and just burned his tires up and never was able to get the gap big enough. Yeah. And that's probably, I mean, he's just frustrated heat of the moment stuff. So I'm not overly. concerned about. I'm telling you, I guarantee that he said that as soon as, like, when you guys bailed out of the way, like, you ran in front of him, ran in front of him, and then when

Bronte got the lead, you guys kind of bailed out of Ryan's way, which I don't have any problem with, but I'm sure that's when he was like, I will say at the end of the last runs when I saw Larson fight his car more than any, because he could not move a bit. He was getting worse as it got, as a day one. The sun went down, yeah. I agree. Spot on, spot off. There were no penalties following Noah Gregson's backing into Daniel Hemrick's car under pit stops as well as the fight that broke out following the race. Brett.

Spot on for no penalty for Noah Gragson backing in to Daniel Hemrick on pit road. And here's why. Noah's going to plead his case, which he did, that he was outside of his pit box and he had to do everything he could to get every three of his tires inside of his pit box and not be facing a penalty. So in doing that, he had to back up. you're never going to be able to prove that him missing his pit box and him backing up to get back into his pit box was intentional. Was it intentional? I don't know. Only Noah Gregson knows that.

What I am spot off for here is when this fight breaks out, it's Daniel Hemrick against Noah Gragson, against management at JRM, and against whoever put Hemrick in the headlock. Right. So now Noah swung at Daniel. Somebody backfisting. did Daniel and somebody else grabbed him by the throat. So that's where I'm spot off. I see penalties needing to come in there and suspensions needing to come in there. And plus Noah can't even hit the guy when he's being held. I've never missed a guy in a fight that was being held by somebody. He'll never admit it. He misses him the first time by eight inches. The next time he misses him about two feet with somebody's got him by the throat. So look, I think Noah's temper right now

is a product of pressure. Noah's been here for two seasons and some change. And he's one. two races. And I have to think at some point, I mean, Mike Joy is coming on here today to talk about whether or not Noah Gragson's racing on daddy's money. He wasn't talking about Noah Glaxen. He's talking about Noah Jackson. I believe Mike Joy wasn't talking about Noah Glaxson as much as I believe Noah didn't back into that car on purpose. And I can't argue with you on that. But only Noah knows the truth. And when the facts are presented, I think NASCAR doesn't have a lot to stand on in terms of, oh man, he was putting that crew guy's life in jeopardy. No, he was. He wasn't. He wasn't dumping the clutch and backing up. He was slowly backing up to try to get in his pit box. It's his side of the story. You're not going to prove that wrong. But when you go back and look at that fight, and there's so many different angles of it, frame by frame, man, I would have suspended two guys and I would have fined two guys. I mean, I'm spot on for no penalties with that because I watched the video. And I don't know if Noah, I think it lined up perfectly right on the edge of if he went back any harder or further, it could have looked way more on purpose. But he was at a

really bad angle in trying to get into a stall. But I think, I mean, Noah's been in position to win. Shoot, man. He should have three, three, four more wins here if things go his way. At least three, and all of him at Homestead. And I think Noah could have three more to his resume right now. If a frog had wings, he wouldn't bump his ass every time of jump. I mean, things happen.

But, you know, I think, I personally think it makes it. Noah's the type of guy that I've watched him race. I've watched him race. he gets to you and he's not content following you. And if you're in his way, he's going to do what it takes to get around you. And I'm not saying he's going to wreck you, but he's not afraid to get up underneath somebody, give him the bumper a little bit and go on, which I have no problem with that. Like that's how it should be in my opinion.

I mean, that's racing. If the guy's faster, you got to do what it takes to get around him. But you got to know at some point it's going to come back to you. You've got to be prepared. I haven't seen, I haven't seen Noah get really upset. said at somebody hitting him back yet even after the race he's just doing his interview like normal and here comes a guy mad at him but i'm not saying you know hemrick probably had a right to be mad or how many times you've seen hemricks swinging people uh i don't i don't i haven't but i also

think hemricks under some pressure now too do you think that do you think that noah backed up and hit himrick's car on purpose i think yes do you think it lined up right for him to do it at that point You can't prove it, but do you think he did it on purpose? I think it lined up where he saw it and didn't care if it happened. He knew he was going to back up and, oh, I'm going to hit that guy's car a little bit. It's only my left for a quarter pan. I'm going to do it. So I think the only way he was going to get into his stall is to go back that far,

but I don't think he minded it that had a little contact with the other car. I don't like anything on pit road. I don't like doing anything on pit road. Even with the cars after the race, I don't agree with the guys running each other because these guys aren't the ones having to get out and fix them. That goes strictly those pick. crew guys are in danger at that point and you're causing more work for the crew guys who already bust their tails all week you know get home late on sunday or at the shop 7 o'clock Monday morning

those guys are already busting their tails for extracurricular stuff like that but now if you're racing somebody and you're bumping them out of the way that's that's racing so i personally like noah's aggressive driving i think it makes it exciting and i don't think again we're talking about I don't think in either one of these situations, Noah did something wrong to the point that you can prove it. Yeah. I don't know what he is. If a guy grabs me, guess what I'm going to do? I'm going to swing at it.

If he backed up and hit that car on pit road, intentionally, he's the only guy who knows that. There's no data. Y'all like to argue about data and data on here. There's nothing that's going to prove that Noah Graxon did that on purpose. So if you're here's where I'm at on this deal. So if you're just go to the, just go, you're going to the store and you're going to park your car. And you pull in, you miss your parking spot. when you back up to get in your parking spot,

do you back straight up or do you take some kind of angle so that you can maneuver your car? He backs straight up through two pit boxes, basically, and straight into the right front of Daniel Hamburg's car. But his backup camera wouldn't work. His backup camera wouldn't work. Look at my wife trying to put up.

The sensor. It looked like Megan trying to park a car. The sensor got knocked off earlier, man. It wouldn't beep, beep, beep, beep. You just hit him. Here's my issue with Noah, and it's been, like, he can't help himself. You know what I mean?

I thought he did it. I watched his interview after the race, the one way he didn't get punched. And, you know, he's good. You know, he kind of says everything right. He does everything right. And then you see him sitting there. Like the interview's over.

And then you see him sitting there and you go, he's getting ready to say something stupid. Getting ready to say something stupid. I'd be mad too if I had that guy's resume. Okay, listen. Daniel Hemrick obviously needs to win races. Daniel Hemrick is one of the most talented, you know, late model drivers in the country.

And he needs mid-win races. but I don't think Noah's got the borderline Hall of Fame career yet to be calling out other people resumes. He's got two wins and two truck wins in the best equipment in each series. So I don't think you're any position to call out somebody else's resume at that point. And that's what makes Noah polarizing.

He can't just say, like if you're truly sorry, like I didn't mean to do that. I was my bad. You know, are you making that comment? No. You're going to post a video where you back into the guy's car and as you driving away, you flip him off? Nah, probably not very smart.

I think he wasn't flipping him off. He was just waving at him. Yeah, I'm sure. Deuces, you know, sorry. Sorry for backing into your car. I was saying, hey, Daniel, you're number one in my heart. It's just, I think I was listening to DJG a couple weeks ago, and they said they made a comment like, you know,

Dale's kind of just letting Noah be Noah now, and I think that maybe we need to rethink that process because this is not working out well. I just saw Noah Wednesday, and we're talking about it, and he's telling people, Freddie don't like me. I said, it's not that I don't like you. I just, you do dumb stuff and you get called out on it. It's funny how fast people turn on you, though, because last year, Daniel Hemrick brought

decent money here, millions of dollars here. And the minute he's against one of their guys now, boy, he's in a headlock getting backfisted. Yeah, that's the thing that really drive, like, and I think it was Drew Herring that had a good tweet about, like, let the drivers fight. It's like a hockey fight, you know, let them fight. And while they're fighting, everybody get the hell out of there. And then when they go to the ground, everybody can step in and break it up. But don't, like, the one big guy is,

Daniel and a hemlock And a headlock And Noah's trying to punch him Like how That's, in my opinion That's a b-mov move Like if there's a big guy Holding somebody

You're over there trying to punch him That's you're being a bitch at that point But you know Can we say the B word on here? I don't think so I think it's I mean has that stopped you in the past I'm sure it'll get bleak

No I just don't think it should get beaten Because it's a female dog Jason's over there making notes So he looked down when Franny did that So he's probably making a mark on the timeline here I don't know It's just he can't help himself

I enjoy Should NASCAR I don't think either one of you answered this Should NASCAR have Penalized anybody I said they should have Should they have penalized anybody

Yes For the fight or the wreck Yes Everybody but Daniel Noah But Daniel Noah So nothing on Parrot I'm saying everybody There's two other people

involved on payroll I don't think you can penalize a guy For breaking You know If he was holding a guy Well I'm just saying I mean

So if I come grab you by your neck TJ I guess what I'm gonna turn on do I'm gonna punch you in the throat I don't care How big you are If you grab me to way Daniel Hemmer got grabbed, I'm punching you to

throat. But think about, you know, if you're down there with your driver, though, and you see somebody, you see one of them, you're going to try to help your driver. Like, that's just how this deal works. But I don't agree with it. But when you grab a guy like that, you think he's just going to become complacent and let you hold him like that? I don't think

it's fair that the other guy didn't get grabbed at the same time. That's not fair at all. If I'm trying to break up a fight, I'm grabbing my guy. If Bubba's down there fighting, I'm grabbing Bubba. I'm not grabbing Noah so Bubba can punch Noah. I just want to give some credit to the Unsung Heroes, the PR reps who have to deal with all of this after and some of them during, like the Brad, because I see.

They're probably all up in a suite these days in this pandemic. Well, yeah, but before that, like Brad and Jeff Gordon, like, I mean, I know those PR reps, and they had to deal with some swings. So I know Noah's and Daniels reps, and I have to give them credit because they have to deal with all the backlash. The first thing I told Amy Walsh when she came to work with us and we had, obviously, I was managed Elliott. I said, if a fight is about to break out, get the fuck out of the way.

Will the bus driver's job is to get in the middle of that. you're a female do not be in the way and if you're in the way and get hit in the face that's your fault i'm telling you right now as a female remove yourself from a situation that may be violent because you're in way over your head you're 100 pounds you're 5 foot 1 and these guys are mad and they're 6 foot with testosterone raging out of their ears get the fuck out of the way i've had to do it once or twice i've literally had to go the other way pick your guys shouldn't be involved in it like the worst thing about the texas deal was you just said it was already grabbed no no no i say it's okay to try to split up the fight, but not like, I don't agree

with how you hold him so the other guy can hit him. That's not really right. But like, in Texas, there were guys on other teams stopping their, putting their air hose, like running over and throwing punches and coming back. Like, It's true. I remember that. I'm going to get my ass wet by the guy

to grab my neck, but guess what? I'm going to punch him in the throat when he grabs me by the neck. Yeah, I mean, I just don't think the pit, the guy should not fight the drivers. Put it that way. My hero the whole thing was Harrison Burton with the first pump. Oh, yeah, but after. They walked over and fist bump Daniel is Daniel's walking away. I think Harrison wants another shot at the title.

I don't think Harrison's forgetting about that deal. Here's my problem with the whole situation. I even text Daniel this. I said, why are these guys they walk over and grab the guy? Don't grab them, hit him. Like if you want to fight, go over there and fight. Because you grab the guy and you give him an opportunity to swing at you now. Just go over there and hit him.

If Daniel does that, he's all over sports center everywhere. He was on sport. They were all over sports. No, I mean, it had been like, you're the new champ. That was the first time. You get the belt. That was the first time I saw that star. He got a shot at Connor McGregor.

Yeah, he'd got hit a fought McGregor. Maybe Nate Diaz or something, too. I don't know. Daniel did have a hell of a move, though. The old Bob and weave, he dug that punch and connected. Yeah, I would tell you what. He knew he was getting rid of Noah. We got to work on the reach, man.

That was like the wine. He looked like Muhammad Ali wind up. And he didn't extend. He was like right here. Like, not that I, you know, I'm a professional boxer, man, but geez. Well, I've seen you fight at Dale Jr.'s boxing ring before. You might be a professional.

I got in there twice. And I'm not getting in there with the second guy. I got in there ever again. Who's that? Josh Snyder. I'm never doing that again. TJ, Josh's forearms are big around than your thighs. Why don't you think you want to fight Josh Snyder?

Well, it's probably a lot of Bud Light. I don't know. The head gear is not enough. Nah, the head gear is not enough. I did get in there, Travis McFarland. You know, Travis? Yeah. He didn't.

I hit him and he said, I'm done. I'm done, so sorry, Travis. Denny Hamlin tweets more taller after Josh Ferry's car gets destroyed by spinning into the front stressed grass. Spot on, spot off, Freddie. Spot on. Everything Danny says is right. Man, Josh, I don't know. I don't know why Josh didn't continue down pit road.

Yeah. Like, I mean, I guess in the heat of the moment, your yellow's coming out, so you don't want to lose time. But you're not going to really lose anything rolling down pit road. but he lost a lot trying to get back on the racetrack. Was the yellow out at that point? I wasn't listening. Oh, no. Actually, you're right. It wasn't out.

I don't think it came out until he blew the nose off his car. But still, like, that's the risk you're taking. It's just inexperience, I think. You know, you kind of look and go, I could probably just cut across this little patch of grass right here. Had he made it? Perfect move. Yeah, but he did not.

It's been a long time since I've seen a car that far off the ground. In the front end only. Yeah, like a ramp. But I mean, I don't know. Obviously, AstroTurf is the way to go. We see it at Charlotte. I don't know why, especially these SMI tracks, haven't gone to it. Because after you see how good that works,

but I'm sure there's an expense involved. Denny Hamlin on Twitter right now, Freddie, is money. He is the funniest guy. He's back to being Denny Hamlin before Denny Hamlin got fined $50,000 for tweeting something. Remember when that happened? NASCAR popped him on the wrist. He went quiet for a lot of years. Back when they went secret fines.

Denny, the car owner, is back on Twitter. Danny put out on Twitter this. was actually better than the first tweet. It said, Dear Marcus Smith, who owns obviously the racetrack, before investing in a casino outside of Atlanta, Motor Speedway, please look into one of these, and it's a gift of a weed eater mowing grass. Marcus replies, nothing cuts grass, quite like a front splitter.

Denny will have things fixed up tonight for you guys, but in general, best to keep your tires on the racing surface, T.J. Yeah, I mean, it's a risk. Do you know how to not tear the splitter off? Don't get in the grass. So I hate that the splitters are there That we can tear up the cars like that Because back in the day When you used to go down through the grass

It would fold it under a little bit You went back down there A guy got a mallet out Beat it back out and he went back on the racetrack So And I do I wish it was still like that I like the aspect of the grass there

But I don't like that it tears the splitters off the car But we all know the risk And If you make bad luck for yourself You could probably rip the front of the car car i'm sorry but if you throw an interception of football it's it's it's to your detriment if if you wreck in nascar it shouldn't be without some kind of consequence i mean you're literally leaving the racing surface don't don't wreck it's that simple yeah did denny tweet after the turn

one incident yet no i'd love to hear a smart comment about that i don't know what you're talking about bobby asked me what happened there i said i think i got to plead the fifth i don't think we can talk about it he goes i i heard I heard it on the loudspeaker deal. Kurt's like, I didn't get pushed. I got drove through. And Kurt is usually pretty, he tells it how it is most of the time.

So what, you don't think? I don't know what happened. I wasn't walking. Yeah, I'll bet you were. Rose-colored glasses over here. Spot on, spot off. The Atlanta track GM says a repave will be sooner rather than later.

Right. Spot on if you pick the right contractor to come do it. I mean, we've got some great mile and a half. Homestead being our favorite. There's no dog leg at Homestead. There's progressive banking and we see tire wear. So if you do this, please don't put down the shiny black asphalt that has a gazillions amount of grip with these tires and cars that are already making tons of downforce.

And, yeah, just, man, just don't. I realize it's an ever. Just don't screw it up. And if you're a race fan listening to this, buy a ticket to Atlanta this summer because it's going to be hot, it's going to be slick, and it's a hell of a lot better race than what you see on TV. I don't know why TV can't capture what makes Atlanta so special,

but watching from home yesterday, I just realized it just can't do it. Yeah, Atlanta's hard, man. One of the hardest places we go. We've talked about it on here before. It's impossible to catch the sensation of speed that we are, that we're driving, you know, these guys are racing at on TV.

For whatever reason, it's too tight a shot or it's just, you know, the camera flow. Like, if you go to a racetrack and just go stand and turn one at a racetrack, you'll be amazed at how hard these guys drive in the corner. But as far as the repave go, spot off because we always hate repaves. We hate the repaves that have happened recently because I haven't, maybe Homestead's the only one where the racing didn't get ruined. But obviously they're inevitable. Like the track service eventually comes apart.

you know, Atlanta's, I forget, how long did they say? What was the, do we know how many years it's been since it got repaved? I mean, it's been forever. They talked about it like three or four years. Let's go at 75. That was a great year. So, but like Brett said, let's go back to a true oval. Let's, you know, just if you want to add progressive banking, whatever.

But just go back to the original configuration of a true oval. Just give us something different to race on. That's not the cookie cutter mile and a half like we have a bunch of times. I don't mind the configuration. Either way, it just has to wear a tire. out, man. If we don't wear tires out, guys are not going to search around. They're not going to struggle for grip. They're not going to move.

Watching guys go through three or four in Atlanta right now, and you can probably really only capture this if you go in person, like Brett said, man, these guys are getting as low as they can, and they clip the apron mess up, they get loose. There's more mistakes made at Atlanta than a lot of places. If you repave it

and use the super grippy stuff, they're going to be single-file, not making any mistakes. The reason they make mistakes now is because they're sliding. Yeah. And they're fighting the car handling. Imagine if they had less downforce and more motor. These guys would be driving the wheels off these things. And these guys are the best drivers in the world, man.

We've talked about this before as well. No other sport can come to NASCAR driver-wise, really, and be really good to start with. We've had Kurt go run the Indy 500 and be very competitive, not saying Indy racing is easy because a road course he probably would have had his hands full. But, man, these guys are really good. How many years ago was it?

when we repave Michigan eight years. 2012-ish. I was spotting already, so it's probably less than that. It's still ruined. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's still bad. And Michigan was phenomenal. And it's still ruined.

It is one of the widest surfaces we go to all year, and it's one lane. Maybe one and a half. Yeah. We can't do that to Atlanta, especially if they've got two dates. You can run literally that place is five lanes wide, and you can make all of them work at different points. Like, we don't have... Many tracks that you can do that. Maybe SMI is smart, though.

Maybe this was all part of their play where they give Atlanta a second date. Then they have to shut it down for a repave. And while they shut it down, one of those dates goes to Nashville. Yeah, maybe. I don't know. We'll see. I'm so excited for this one. Spot on, spot off the Cup Series to race on dirt for the first time in 51 years this weekend at Bristol.

Freddie, you clearly have an opinion on this. I mean, I'm spot off right now, but I'm hoping to be proved. wrong. I mean, I thought this had potential. I think it would have had, it still has potential. But I feel like they just made a lot of mistakes format-wise with the way they're going to run this. And it's too many cars, it's too many laps. It's during the day, which no no dirt track in the country runs during the day because the sun dries a track out and it makes it, you know, dusty or track take rubber right away. And the biggest thing you're, what you're hoping for to hear is 250 laps, the track's going to rubber up. And if you don't follow dirt racing, that's not good. You know, like if you're watching a sprint car race and the track starts to take rubber,

every sprint car has to run that lane because it's way faster than the guys on the dirt. So, you know, on a... They blow tires. They'll wear the tire out. But you have to be in that lane. If you get off that lane, it's, you know, half a second different lap time-wise. So you don't like to see a dirt track take rubber, but your only hope here is it's going to take rubber. 250 laps.

There's no way it doesn't. but your only hope is it just takes rubber in multiple grooves so that we have other places to move around and race. But there's just, I mean, you're going to draw out of a hat. We'll go over the format. Draw of a hat for your heat race position. They're going to have passing points, which means if you start 10th and finish first,

you're going to get more points than the guy that started fifth and finish first. Chili Bowl. Yeah, basically a chili bowl. That's not confusing at all. No. And then, but then there's going to be, rate or awful. They're just taking 35 guys out of the heat race,

whoever the 35 top highest point guys are at a heat race and then some provisionals based on whatever format they use. But there's no B-main or nothing. Like I think, you know, what if you draw a heat race and it's the top 10 in points? So now you're going to be last in points. I'm sure you get a provisional. But if there's five guys all getting provisional,

then what happens? You're going to send one of your guys home? Because, you know, all these dirt ringers come in and get easier to draw. Like there need to be some kind of B-main, I feel like, that where at least, you know, if Kyle Larson gets a draw, a bad draw, and he's racing or, you know, whoever gets clipped first corner. Yeah, like now you've got a chance to go back and race against guys that aren't the 10 best guys there.

So that was, I thought that was a flaw. There was just a lot of things I think could have been done differently, and I'm sure they'll go and learn from it. I didn't get the chance to watch many of the late model races. It seemed like they were all pretty decent, but it looked a lot of one lane. And those guys are wide open for they were digging. I mean, it was dangerous. I mean, there's a lot of reds.

When they wrecked, they destroyed their race cars. Guess why? Yeah. Bristol's not a dirt track. It's a race track with dirt on it. I think we're going to be crawling compared to them. Oh, yeah. You're going to be totally crawling. It's going to look slow-mo. I watched all them races, and I thought the race, I thought the track held up good. Like, for that amount. But they're running 140 laps. Yeah, but they had, I mean, they had, hell though, I turned it off one night, almost 1 o'clock in the morning. They were in so many features. But that was at nighttime, so that would be a little bit different. I do think. there are way too many laps in this race. I've never been, I've been to a lot of dirt races. I swear my, I grew up racing, and I've never been to a 250 lap dirt race. I think the biggest dirt race I've been to is probably super dirt week in Syracuse.

And I'm wanting to say we ran. So it's a hundred laps usually. Well, no, a hundred was halfway. Oh, yeah, no. Are you talking about like the big blocks? Yeah, the big blocks. But that was a mile on track. And, man, I don't, I mean.

That race was more about strategy. It is. You got to be good, too. But it was one lane, really. 250 laps around Bristol, but those guys are professional dirt racers, too. We're not. We're the NASCAR Cup series here. I think this race could have been done in 150 with a halfway break or something I don't even know. But 250 is a lot.

I'm spot on for the guys who went and tried to run some of these dirt races. It's been exciting. You know, Kyle Busch running the Davenport stuff. That was exciting. Kyle Larson was obviously there. I'm spot on for those guys that are running the truck race to get better at this craft because it's new to a lot of them. I think the truck race is going to be potentially a good race. I'm worried about this race for the same reasons you guys are.

I just hope it's not a complete cluster. I think that this is going to be a great opportunity also for the dirt racers who are coming to run it. Like Shane Golubics running, Chris Windham is running. I think we've talked about how NASCAR needs to work better with the dirt racing community because a lot of these guys come into NASCAR later. and I think it's going to bring a ton of fans from dirt racing to watch it. It may be, it may not work as well the first time, but the fact that they're trying it. I think the truck race is going to be awesome. I mean, Stuart Freeson's wife is going to run it.

I'm excited about that. I'm nervous for this cup race because of the cluster of it. And what I mean by that is we've got the first 10 guys they announce a driver intros can't stay out of the way at an asphalt two-mile track. So how the hell are they going to stay out of way at a dirt Bristol track? And here's one of the big things I think that a lot of people that don't realize. Like when we spot Bristol, you have to spot at least a half straightaway out front all day because if guys spins, you're on him.

Three seconds. Like, no time. Well, now you can't stop. Like, so stuff's going to, I mean, obviously, you're not going to be running as fast. But stuff's going to happen just as fast. And now you can't stop. You're not going to be able to stop. You know, you can't lock the brakes up because you're just going to slide into a wreck.

Well, you're going to spin out. So, yeah, like. So. And then you. got these guys out here that don't belong on a race track. Make sure Drew Herring has plenty of batteries. Did I tell you what I told him right after the Phoenix race when he won? I was rolling the last three off the roof there.

I walked up and I said, hey, Drew, make sure you charge your stuff tonight. Congrats to him winning to the week after that cluster. But make sure our buddy Drew has plenty of batteries. He's got like a battery on the back of his radio now is like four times of size to be. Yeah, it's huge, man. So I think he's good. He has got the best hair on the roof. Like he's got the prettiest hair.

Him and Corelli. Yeah, well, Carrelli's old. Yeah, but he's got good hair for being that old. He does have amazing hair to be that old. I'm spot on for this try, though, because I think it's going to bring some attention. I'm really interested in seeing how the dirt guys, the ringers that you're talking about, come in and run against these guys. This is a test of, okay, none of us have done this before in this.

So this is going to be basically how good are you at this craft right here? I want to see how good our guys can run the dirt stuff against a dirt ringer like Windham and them guys coming in there. I got a question for you, too, because you two watch a lot more racing than I do, right? I've watched enough racing in my life. I got a question. Which good NASCAR Cup series driver say top 20-ish in points

is going to be the worst at dirt track racing at Bristol? Oh. Hmm. Top 20-ish? Top 20-ish in points. Because I don't, I mean, look, we don't expect. Would Suarez be included in that? Yeah, he's a top 20 driver.

Yeah, for sure. I would say, I was running top 10 yesterday at Atlanta, one of the hardest mile and a half. I would say he made, I just, like, that's something that's probably completely far to him, you know, where he came up, the path he took. You know, a lot of guys that haven't been on dirt, but I feel like he come, you know, he come from a completely different world being down there in Mexico. Like, I don't know that they have even have dirt tracks down there. I don't know. Como in D.C. I know good at dirt track. That's not going to work.

Nice try. But, you know, he would be one that maybe jumps out at me. But I think, and we see this a lot with road courses. these guys adapt. They're still some of the best drivers in the world. So even though we bring in road course ringers, like, yes, I'm friends with Wyndham, Stuart Freezing, like all these guys, they're still not in very good equipment.

So, you know, you have to tamper your expectations. I think Chris Windham's probably one of the best derrick races in the country, but he's driving a Rick Ware car. Yeah. So, you know what I mean? But this is a difference, though. If they're good, I saw the, what's the kid that ran, El Dorah ran out. Bobby Pierce? Yeah, he

was in a garbage truck. I wouldn't say it was garbage, but it was a, it was a, it was a, it was a, it was a, so TJ, which one? It was a Mittler Brothers truck. So who is it? Which cup drivers do you think struggles? I could see, but they're going to figure it out like Freddie said. In the beginning, I could see guys like maybe Harvick. I don't know

what his dirt racing background is, but he's been a short tracker to me, an asphalt short tracker. That's where he came up to the Chuck series. And I could see, but Harvick's really good, though, so to me he'll struggle in the beginning, but I think he'll figure it out. Maybe, I don't know what, like, maybe Blaney's background.

He didn't. He never, I don't think he ever ran any kids. I mean, I think he has. Chase Elliott, Amarola, and there's a bunch of them. But Chase has been running dirt. Chase has been trying it, though. But he started, yeah. Yeah, but these guys are like, yeah, maybe Eric guys like that, shoot, I don't know.

Like, even Joey doesn't have a dirt background, but he's been doing a lot of that drifting stuff. And he's actually been going to race at Volusia, race at Bristol as well. so yeah um i think chase is going to do really well because i mean he was when you ran for chad and at ocala his he won his he race yeah these guys adapt like they're gonna figure it yeah we went to you know edora for that first truck race and bubba like he's like i'm gonna be terrible you know what mean he's like i've never i've never even made a lap on dirt this is going to be awful and he ran top five you know these guys get out there if they're good you know they're talented race car drivers

they're going to get out there and they're and and that was practiced they're yeah like tj said like it's a long race they'll probably by the end There's going to be guys that you probably wouldn't expect. How many laps do we run under caution out of $250, $75 maybe more? So remember when you said you made dinner, you played baseball, like get ready, you can probably watch a few movies. So over under is 75 on caution. What I'd be interested to see is... I'd say $75 to $100.

That's not a... You can't give a range. You've got to pick a number. Vegas doesn't give ranges of over under. Do you think they do more red flags because of, like, it's kind of... I mean, it's going to be tough to get some things out of the way. there's going to be a parking lot a couple times. Yeah, but I feel like they're eventually going to be like,

the guys are just going to be like, all right, well, I'm not that good as I'm just going to ride around here. And then because this could turn into a demolition derby. It could. It could go either way. I've seen Matt Crafton still some amazing finishes at Eldora with no dirt background and just standing. He literally drove it like Martinsville, right around the bottom.

He's got a little bit of a dirt. He's been racing his, he's got a modified he's had for a handful of years now. Way do you see? Like, I watched Kyle run. Kyle was good in that late model, man. Like, Kyle was fine. Like, he looked, he moved around. The best part about the late, so, oh, man, I forgot we wanted to talk about this.

I can't find the odds on who's going to be right. How about, so how about no spotters, obviously, dirt track racing. So Kyle Larson, I'm not Carl, Bush, the Knight Fergie one. I don't know what night that was. Chris Ferguson, shout out Friday night. Friday night. Ferguson's leading checked out. Kyle got into the race through the last chance, B-Main, whatever.

And Ferguson gets to go underneath him, and Carl, Carl, Larson, Kyle Busch turns down to the side of him, runs into the side of the leader. And I felt like saying, damn, these lap cars. I mean, it won't get out of the fucking way. Yeah. But, you know, it was funny just to see that happen. The should be on the other foot where Kyle's the guy getting chased now. But it'll be interesting.

Like I said, I hope I'm proved wrong. Honestly, I think it's going to be a cluster, but I think it's going to be a positive event. I think the format just should have been tweaked. I think I said it on here a while ago. Like, it should have been run the, like, two dual races where they're 50, 75 laps. take the top 10 out of each, then run you another 75 lap race. Shoot, how about like 20? Yeah, no kidding.

All right, guys. Next up after our break will be arguably the most distinguished guests we've ever had on a show. Mike Joy's coming to door bumper clear here in a few minutes. We're going to talk about his tweets where he tweeted after an incident a couple weeks ago regarding David Starr and Noah Gregson at Homestead where we thought Noah was going to win the race. He tweeted first, I heard David Starr on the more. morning drive this morning. Great interview, very well spoken, illustrating the challenges underfunding teams face everywhere. I liked he wasn't personally mad at his accuser, but was upset for his team and

all their hard work and sacrifice being disrespected. Then a whopping nine minutes later, Mike Joyce sent out another tweet that said, our sport has always had funded drivers, but it's time, it's high time, a few of these privileged kids, powered by daddy's pile of cash, realize this whole sport doesn't just exist to make their dreams come true. Take some time to learn from those who've worked their way to the top. The three of us, T.J., Freddie, and myself all believe that Mike Joy sent that tweet out regarding Noah Gragson. Mike has refuted that.

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And Mike, I kind of preface this before you got on here. You are arguably, and we've had some big names on this show, man, going outside of the sport, Blake Shelton, inside of the sport, all the big names. You're probably the most distinguished guest we've ever had on this show. So welcome to Door Bumper Clear. Well, thank you. I'm glad you didn't see Extinguished. I'm sure that's in the near future, but I'll take it.

Thank you. Appreciate that. Hey, so I got to ask you before we dive in all this fun stuff, man. You guys have, you've had a lot of talent around you through the years in the booth. I spent a lot of time being Clint Boyer's friend before becoming his spotter for the last eight years of his Cup series career. What has he been like in the booth working with? And even more so, what's he been like when you guys are out of the booth and in those meetings you guys do? Brian, I'm sure it's no different than the entire, you know, length and term of your friendship.

You know, Clint is a unique personality and all of that comes through, whether it's in the meetings, whether, you know, we're sitting around at a distance, or even on Zoom, having a meeting like this one. And especially on the air, he's just, I think unfiltered would probably be. the best description of Clint Boyer. And we saw this, you know, we've known it for a long time, interviewing him and, you know, interactions with him. I would do some sweet appearances with him for Sonoco and other clients. And he's just terrific.

He's just a natural entertainer without even trying. So when we got on eye racing last year, when NASCAR had to shut down because of the pandemic, he was just that way in the race car. He had a big crash in eye racing, and I remember going, Clint, what happened? And he goes, my give a damn bro. And when he said that, everybody out in L.A. went, whoa, you know, how do we harness this? How do we bring this together?

And you know the rest of the story. As the season wound down last year and Clint weighed his options of what he was going to do this year, Fox presented him with a very attractive one. And he decided, you know, now's the time. Let's do this. and we're having as much fun as you can imagine we are. You've been blessed this year, Mike, with a lot of good races. Now, I would say yesterday may have been probably one of the more snooze fest of races on the cup side.

But leading into yesterday, I mean, has the cup racing been any better to start the season than what you can remember? Well, you know, Fox has heavily promoted this as the best season ever. I did not come up with that tagline. And I've got to be honest, at the start of the season, I'm not sure I endorsed it. But now I do. My goodness. So let's say we're in the off season and you're at the sports book in Vegas and they offer a prop bet that William Byron would be the first Hendrick driver to win this year, that Christopher Bell would be the first Gibbs driver, you know, to win this year.

And so on. You wouldn't have placed that bet. You know, I don't know of anybody, anybody that will. But my gosh, look at the season that we've had to start this far. That Ryan Blaney would be the first Penske driver to win this year, you know, or that Michael McDowell would win the Daytona 500. Nobody took that bet. So for unpredictability, fantastic.

At the end of stage one last week, Jeff Gordon admonished Kyle Larson on the radio. He said, have a great time out there. But Jeff essentially said, don't stink up the show. And Kyle goes, yeah, okay. So message delivered, not acknowledged. He went out and he did what Kyle Warson does. And he had a great race right up until the closing. And like Jeff said on the air, he said, that's why it's never over till it's over.

You know, it's who leads the last lap. And here comes Ryan Blaney. And we've got another shock or another surprise. So I don't know if it's going to be the best season ever. But I do think two things have established themselves as trends. there is no clear favor, not any week. And two, somebody who has a win might not be in at the end of the regular season. Because I think it's a very real possibility.

If you look at how many of the usual suspects, we call them, that have not won, that are going to win, we could have 16 winners or more at the end of the regular season. For sure. It's almost like NASCAR was five years too early in their marketing campaign when they were pushing all those young guys. on us because I'll never forget guys like Harvick, guys like Clint, guys like even Dale Jr., they were mad because the whole push in the ad campaigns

for you guys was all about Chase Elliott, Ryan Blaney, Bubba Wallace, William Byron, and now here they are. They're winning the races and to be honest with you, the 40-somethings, they're not. No, that's true. And you know, you're right. Those fellows had a right to be mad. They were the established stars of the sport. And I think

when Fox developed that campaign, it was, all right, You know these drivers. You know these proven winners. So here's who's next and you better tune in and see how they do because they're coming and you're right. Now they're here. Good deal. Well, we're going to jump into something that kind of, look, man, nobody's ever made our show two weeks in a row.

You made our show the first week with your tweet where we thought the three of us said point blank. Mike Joy is sending out this tweet about Noah Gragson. And you said you weren't. And then last year, we disagreed with you again. We said, no, no, you're not. Freddie actually said you were full of sht, which I thought your tweet there was awesome, where you said it's not very often that I get handed a statement that I'm full of so Freddie, congratulations on winning that contest.

But in 140 characters, it's a lot, it's difficult, Mike, to sum up kind of what you're thinking. Tell us ultimately what you were talking about with that tweet where you've essentially said our sports always had funded drivers. It's always had daddy's money. But you weren't, quote, talking just about Noah. No, I wasn't. And I really think that's an important distinction. So let me go way back. Peanuts, the comic strip, Charlie Brown. Charlie Brown was a huge baseball fan. And in the comic strip, his favorite player was Joe Schlabotnik. You've never heard of Joe Schlebotnik? No. Well, nobody has because Charles Schultz, who wrote Peanuts, invented him, made him up. And he made him up because he wanted everybody who read the comic strip to think of it in terms of

they are Charlie Brown and they have a favorite player and imprint what was what was being laid out in the comic strip on their own lives and on their own favorites if you'd named one real player then it would have been just about that player and and Charles Schultz wanted to be about everybody so and no I wasn't thinking of that when I typed that but but that's kind of the the genesis of the whole thing. This whole tweet, and I don't often call people out on Twitter or groups of people, but this goes back one, maybe two years, seeing the actions of young people coming into the top levels of this sport, and they are prepared to race at that level. They have the talent, they have the skills, they have the experience. They're ready to race. Their attitude is not

prepared to race at this level and to, be a star of the sport. And I kept seeing just more and more instances of young funded drivers, just not behaving well. And I don't mean being vanilla because I'm, you know, I like Rocky Road, okay? I'm not for vanilla. But I want these fellows coming into the sport and girls to appreciate what it's taken to get all of us here, this entire sport.

I remember, and I'm sure some of you do, I remember waking up on a creeper in a cold garage with a wrench in my hand and banging my head on the cross member falling asleep, working on the race car, trying to get it ready for that weekend. You know, it's a common thread, but it's not a common thread anymore. So this season, a couple of instances happen. Ty Gibbs at Daytona made some comments post-race that were just, really pretty inappropriate.

And he apologized for them the week later. Noah went and did the same thing. So in putting out that tweet, the first thing, and what really triggered it was I listened to David Starr's interview on Sirius XM Radio. And, you know, David is, let's say, he's in the twilight of his driving career, but he has a great respect for how this sport was built, what it takes to make it, and most importantly, how hard his guys work, you know, to get his car, his truck to the racetrack every week and get it on track and get it competitive. He certainly didn't appreciate those comments, but not for him.

He said he was upset for his crew and how hard they work. And that really tipped it. So my first post was congratulating David Starr for his attitude and for his interview and for putting that into perspective. And I started the next tweet, as you said, by saying, We've always had funded drivers. You go back to, you go back to, you go back to, I mean, there's a lot of fellows that we can name. It came into the sport with a checkbook or with a sponsor or with somebody else's money or family money to find out if they had any talent. And money will get you a good ride.

It'll get you a really good ride. But it won't catch you in the winter circle. That takes a lot of talent. Noah Gregson has a lot of talent. but he peppers his interviews, including yesterday, with things that just don't need to be there. So that's why I tweeted what I tweeted, and I did not ascribe it to any one driver, including Noah, because what I wanted people who read that tweet to do was to take that situation and apply it to drivers that they thought of. and for a week there was a lively discussion on Twitter.

I think at one time that tweet was trending number two in the United States. It was just behind RIP Eddie, and I still don't know who Eddie was, and number three was Senate Democrats. So I figured that's a pretty good day if we're getting, if we're getting that kind of attention on Twitter. And people were talking about all kinds of drivers. Yes, they were talking about Noah, they're talking about Ty, and they're talking about all kinds of drivers,

including some drivers that I didn't even know, you know, were funded or, you know, whose grandfather invented so-and-so and, you know, put some money into racing. So that was the discussion that I wanted. I did not feel it was fair for me to use that forum to point the finger at any one driver. So, you know, then let's come to week two, and you're saying I'm full of it, Freddie. I can't vote you directly because if I do that, it becomes an internet meeting. for the next 34 years, like you're going to have to. And that's okay.

Still, you know, why call them out? What good does that do? Because, yes, everybody knows who the people are we're talking about. And again, it's not just one driver. It's a number of drivers. And so that's why I said what I said. I wanted to clear the air, wanted you guys to understand how that set of tweets came about. The last tweet in that group was about Davey Allison.

you know, when Davey wanted to race, Bobby said, yes, I'll put you in a car, we'll put you in a good car. But first, he had Davy in the shop every day with a broom. And then he graduated to a parts disassembler. And then he became an assembler. And then finally, he became a fabricator. So that once he got out on the racetrack, he'd know what he had because he helped to build it. And he'd know everything that went into it. And that, that I think was a very wise move on.

on Bobby's part, and you all know the kind of driver that Davey Allison grew into being. So that's, I don't know, I've talked too long about this, but I think that kind of brings it, I think it kind of brings it full circle. And, you know, I think it's great that you fellows brought attention to it because it just means that more people, you know, we're looking at the issue and looking at the situation. So where I came from last week was, you know, there's no such thing as a wrong opinion. And people don't understand that on Twitter. You know, you can post your opinion and then we're going to talk about it.

And obviously, we've got to be on both sides of it. You know this being in the business you're in. You've got to have the devil's advocate. We're going to talk about it to bring attention to our show just like you're going to, you know, talk about it, bring attention to your stuff. And my fullest comment came from, you know, it's not about Noah, which it is about Noah. You know, it's about Noah and encompassing many other people. I'm glad you brought up Ty Gibbs because that was going to be my exam. too, especially the Daytona interview, and he had an interview last year, I think at Phoenix,

that was really similar. Sam Mayer is another guy that's had some questionable interviews, but like the series of events, you know, the David Star tweet, eight minutes later, this tweet, it was at least inspired by Noah. In that situation, I felt like, and that was kind of where I was coming from with the, it might not be directly about Noah, but it is definitely directly related to Noah. Sure it was. But as I said, Freddie, I wasn't calling out any one driver. Yeah.

Oh, no. Yeah. I think we all. There's plenty to go around. Oh, yeah. There's definitely an art deal here. One thing I wanted to ask you, though, outside from that, and listen, I don't know you guys even know this, but like where I come from, Modified Racing, Thompson, Stafford,

Mike Joy, is a damn local hero. So it almost pained to me to say he was full of shit last week. But I also grew up. Oh, Freddie. Freddie, I can't see because I can only see your back. Is that a Bonsignor shirt? Yeah, yeah. So that's what I was getting ready to say.

I'm from the Long Island gang. I grew up with Tommy Baldwin, so, you know, I kind of, I don't have a choice but to speak my mind at times. But, you know, and I'm a huge modified guy. So in that, in that aspect, what, is there a fix? Is there a fix where it's not so related on the guys that have the funding? Is there a path for a Justin Bonsignor? Is there a path for, you know, I don't know, Stephen Nassie? Like, if they don't have the money, like Ty Majeske, he's another guy that goes out and wins all these races,

but they can't get the funding. Like, how do we fix that? How do we get it back to the talent? There is a pass. There is because I think we all realize you have to have funding to make it in racing. It costs a lot of money to put a street stock, a hobby stock, on the track at your local track. And, you know, back when we all grew up, all you needed was access to a garage, maybe a lift, you know, a jack, a welder, tools, and a couple of friends.

And you could go racing. But, you know, it's not that way anymore. There are a lot of drivers in our sport at the top level who did not come in with funding. And but somebody had to believe in them. Best case, seven times. Jimmy Johnson. You know, Jimmy's dad drove heavy construction equipment. his mom drove a school bus.

They poured everything into his racing motorcross. Denny Hamlin, his parents mortgaged their house, I think, twice to advance his racing career, you know, at great risk to themselves. But somebody believed in them. In Jimmy's case, it was Herb Fissel, who ran the racing program at Chevrolet. And he pushed Jimmy Johnson on any team owner who would listen to the pitch and promised support. And we all know how that worked out. So there's got to be money somewhere.

And it doesn't have to be family money, but you're right. We don't need to say it's a bad thing for somebody to come from family money and invest it in their racing career. Because that's more the norm now that it is the exception. So yes, give those kids a pass. But give them a pass if they come into this sport, if they race people with respect, even if they're aggressive, as long as they respect the sport and the people in it.

And don't get out of the car and say, so-and-so doesn't need to be there. And don't end your interview like Noah did this weekend by saying, well, he ought to be upset, talking about Daniel Hemrick, you know, with all the problems he's had with his career and how he's ended up, he said, you don't need to do that.

Race people hard. But we talked about that earlier in the show, and it was, I said, I said, he can't help himself. Like, and listen, by no means, I know it seemed like I was sticking up for Noah in this situation, but that by no means, I defend Noah Grax. And he says and does a lot of dumb stuff on and off the racetrack. But you could see it in his, I was talking yesterday, I was talking earlier, you could see it. Like he was getting, you could see he was getting ready to say something stupid. Like, the interview was over. I thought it was, I thought it went fairly well.

And then you could just see it. And you're like, oh, God, he's getting ready. to do it and then he makes a comment about his resume you know no he's like i said on the show earlier he's probably first ballot hall of famer i guess but um you know like just just that's the attitude that's where these guys i see it more in the post race interviews that's where the tie gibbs then came like you get a bad taste in your mouth from some of these guys just because of the way they act and talk in the interview after interview situation after the race more so than things they do on the racetrack well now and there's a big risk in that and uh

The way I see that, I mean, you know, when I raced, the people that I respected on and off the racetrack and the people, of course, you know, that were my friends and that were part of our group, I wouldn't just wave them by. I wouldn't move offline to give them the corner, but I wouldn't hold them up either. But if I looked up in the mirror and I saw somebody coming and we had a history and whether it was something that happened on the track or something that happened off the track, I wouldn't be in any road. rush to let them by. And you build up those relationships, positive and negative, you build up enough negative ones. You're going to have a hard time winning races. Denny Hamlin tweeted Mike right after Daniel Hemrick and Noah had the running on pit road where Noah backed his car unintentionally, according to Noah and DeHenrich's car. And it said, where's Mike Joy when you need him? We know how you feel about the interview after the race.

How did you feel about that scenario watching it play out? Where do you think Noah's head was? Do you think he literally missed his pit box and was trying to figure out how to get back in it? Or do you think there was some malicious intent there? Oh, gosh. How long have you got? We got all day. We're a podcast. No, no.

I think both drivers had a right to be upset. But both drivers didn't realize the difficulty the other driver was facing. Noah did not know that the car in the pit behind Daniel was trying to exit. so that he had to overshoot his pit. He was already committed into the box, but he had to stay out of that car his way to keep from being hit and had to back up. So here comes Noah and Daniel's in his pit.

Noah didn't know why. Made a bad assumption. He assumed it was on purpose. Okay. Daniel gets back in his pit. From the view on TV from the high camera, it looks like Noah back straight into Danny. and because of Noah's history, you might think it was delivered.

Noah tweeted out about four hours later the video from their high camera over the pit stall. And it clearly showed that his tires were out of the box when he stopped, that he had to back up and maneuver to be able to get into his box with at least the right front tire in there, so it would be a legal pit stop. Daniel didn't know that. Who among us has not parked by the Braille method, parallel parking? You pull into the spot, you back up until you touch bumpers. That's why they call them bumpers.

And then you get in your spot. So looking at the overhead video, you can see Noah's wheels are turned. He is trying to maneuver to get into his box, and he needs to back up as far as he can. He bangs into Hemrick's car. I'm inclined to say no harm, no foul on either driver for what they did on the racetrack. The explanation made sense to me. It made sense to NASCAR.

Scott Miller said there will be no penalty for what happened there. So then Noah pulls in his box and stops. And as Daniel says, no one flips him off. Right then and there. So, you know, that didn't help matters. And in the interview afterwards, that didn't. didn't help anything either. But for what happened right there on the race track, yeah, it was an unfortunate incident. It had outlying causes and effects, and neither driver understood what the other

driver was going through at the time. So, you know, let it be. Let's go racing. All right. Last thing before we let you go, thanks for coming on, Mike. We really appreciate it. We're going to Bristol. We're going dirt track racing. It's been 51 years. You've seen a lot of different errors in this sport. Tell us something about Bristol, because I heard you guys yesterday do a segment on how unpredictable it's going to be. And I agree with you to some extent, to some extent I don't. Tell us something that we're not looking at going into this weekend that we should be and something we should be talking about that we're not talking about. I think how hard it is to adapt these cars to dirt. Now, the truck series done a real good job of it with Eldora. And, you know,

they're going to go out to Iowa to Knoxville this year with the trucks. So that's really worked out pretty well. Back in the in the 1960s and into 1970, which was the last dirt race, they didn't have special dirt cars either. Teams used their, they have one car or one car on a backup, and that's what they race pretty much everywhere. Those cars had an awful lot more ground clearance. They had an awful lot more suspension travel, and they were probably a lot more adaptable to running on a different surface. These cars, they are not so much. They are purpose built to be sucked down and glued down to a paved racetrack or a concrete race track. So I think that's going to be the biggest thing is who adapts it and who does it best.

The second biggest thing is going to be, how many tear-offs are you guys wearing up on the roof? Are we going to have a tacky track? Are we going to have a dusty track? Are you going to be able to see? I remember a dirt midget race of Pontiac, Sol, Doverdome in the 70s. And after the second heat, if you were seated anywhere above about row six, you couldn't see. It was just a cloud of smoking dust.

And it was very, very difficult. So I think one thing we haven't, we haven't talked about, and I haven't looked at is how hard a job it's going to be for the spotters if this track gets dusty. I agree. We probably need to ask for a raise if we go back. Chad has some extra tear-offs at the shop if you guys need it. Goggles with tear-offs. I like it.

Most of our guys don't listen to us anyway. We don't need to see anything. Mike, we appreciate you coming on, giving you a viewpoint for what it's worth. I think Freddy's full of shit, so I think the score's one-to-one. I'm always full of shit. This was the first time I thought Mike was. All right. So like I asked in that tweet, are you sorry or am I full of it?

You're still full of it, but I'm sorry I said. I'll take it. I'll take it. I appreciate it. Thanks for having me on. Thanks, Mike. Thank you, Mike. We interrupt this door bumper clear podcast to give you this great important message from filter time.

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Puk, Jason. All right. First one. Hey, fellas. Freddie. You're all right. Brett. I don't know what's the fuck with you.

But, TJ, why do you sound like you just smoked the fattest doobie every time you go to talk? You'll explain something. You know, we, uh, we've raised. Uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, I mean, good God. Speak, son. Today, Jr.

I mean, I see why Joey blocks people so damn late. You got a car outside. Oh, damn, we just wrecked the whole field. I mean, come on. Outside. Outside. Door. Bumbert, clear.

I talk pretty fast when I'm spotting, so that's a terrible call in. You can join TJ's fan club at WW. TJ's fanclub.com Next one. All right, freaky Freddy Kraft. You want to piss and moan about people staying in line

before our start, finish line. We'll tell your boy, old Jeb Burton to not go three wide and wash old Jeremy up into the fence at Atlanta. Yeah, no spot. And son of a fuck.

He did go three wide for us or a finish line, by the way. Not us. The one did. The one did. One did, yeah. Not us. That was good I told Jeb before the race to stay out of the middle

Freddy will agree to that Real quick Jeb stop scrubbing your tires at Atlanta Under the PaceLex Lass I was going nuts You should have seen Freddy's phone blowing up for me I'm like he's going to wear his Tires out before he goes green

He just tweeted he can't wait to listen So Jeb Atlanta you just scrub four laps off your tires Yeah he should see the text message I sent to Freddie and Chris Rice Next one Tj and Figgano 13 years he's been

fucking up races so I'm giving a slow clap to you T.J. I appreciate it. Here's your slow clap back. Anthony Alfredo is a fucking idiot. I don't know if you guys saw the tiny bit before he got

the pit road backwards but he was all over the track. Thought he was wrecking. Instead he was just pitted. Anyways, a fucking idiot. It needs to be somewhere else. Maybe go cards. Ryan Ryan Flores had the best

tweeted I said I think it's controller bro disconnected disconnected that's awesome

next one uh stoon we just watched uh joe legano block Kyle Larson

for about 25 laps and then as soon as Blaney took the lead uh seemed to just get out of the way all of a sudden like he didn't care

to be on the lead lap anymore uh your analysis um I'm gonna say that's a little bit of a Penske's racing but uh

you know it is what it is sometimes hey Penske You heard it here first. Thanks, T.J. Love you. Get f***.

You can't block somebody that doesn't get to you. Second of all, there was, like, he could have put the nine a lap down early and rode behind him

for about 15 laps. So. and just, you know, stroke him off ever since he ran over Chase of Martinville. That guy can kick rocks. I'm tired of hearing it. What did he just say at the end of that? Kick rocks.

Oh, I thought you something else. Okay. Well, bud, you got about six more months of me doing it at least. And then we'll try to start all over again. Unless you get fired. That's what I'm saying. Well, yeah, I could get fired anytime now.

Another Joey call. Well, hot damn. Joey and TJ finally helped teammate instead of Wrecking them. Woo, Woo! Goblini. Last I checked,

we were leading. Another Joey. What's going on? TJ? Way to fuck up another race, you stupid son of a seriously. Why does Joey and you

always feel like fucking up every race possible? Maybe if you were actually at the front instead of running in the back with the fucking has-beens, maybe this wouldn't have happened. Fuck you.

Yeah, I mean, Harvick running around him all day. That's a has-been. Yeah. Does Joey listen to all of these? There's no chance. There's no chance, yeah. I mean, I'm sorry, but once again, you've got to get to somebody to block him. He can never get there, so.

I guess T.J. got so tired of hearing shit every week about how quickly Larson figured out these mile and a halfs that he decided he needed to take things into his own hands and have Lugano three laps down, block him for the race win. What an idiot. I got to say that the idiots, the idiots are the people that think we were blocking. Do these people tweet you the way they talk to you on? I don't read Twitter after the races anymore. Probably a good idea. Your blocking list would be longer than Brett's. I mean, you can't run your own line and block somebody that can't move to a five-lane wide racetrack.

So we've done our fair. Now, you want to talk about Kansas? Yeah, we blocked our asses off, but we won the race. These people are harsh. Yeah. They're just mad because. their boy didn't win. I just hope Bubba don't

fuck a leader up anywhere because I don't want to listen to this shit for a day. If your guy doesn't win, I realize there's a lot of people pulling for Kyle Larson he's fast, man, but we all run our own races.

I think that they're pulling against you more than they're pulling for Kyle Larson at this point. That could be... Anybody but... Well, that's fine, because you know what happens. If they pull against you, you've done some other stuff right, more than likely, so...

What we got, Jace? Somebody once told me that Jason's going to go work on the Dale Jr. download Because Dillner's looking kind of dumb with a finger and at some point and at a map of a lost track. Well, the pods start coming and they don't stop coming. Spotts to the roof and hit the ground running.

Didn't make sense just to work for one. Jason's brain was smart, but his head was dumb. So much to do, so much to see. So what's wrong with DBC? You'll never know if you go. You'll always be a donkey Hey now Jason

Drink a white cloth Shult Hey now Jason Got a message for you Get out of Dillers ass Only DBC

Breaks them The best song ever We are sending this person Some Jason get their information She has an incredible voice too That was That might have been the best one

That's the best song that we've ever had. I've had some good songs saying about me. But holy cow. That was a lot of work. That was really good. Peyton, can you do our new intro song too? That might just be, no. Just make that our new intro song.

Payton, can you please tweet me? You are amazing. Thank you. Get out of deal. I'm going to sing that all day. I'm expecting a song every week at this point. This one's good for a year. You can't beat that.

I don't know if you can beat that. It's like you can't remake a classic. I hear. All right. Last one. Hey, this message is for Brett. I just want to let you know that you have to be the smartest spotter ever to stand up on top of a roof.

Just wanted to let you know that. Maybe some of that can rub off on T.J. and Freddie, but I kind of doubt it. Thanks. As if Brett's head wasn't big enough, isn't it? Greg, I'll see you something. He's not even on the roof right now. That was actually my brother, Tony. You did a much better job disguised your voice this week.

I'm much better. That's Greg. Was that wheel? Sound like Delbert. Oh, this might have been Peyton, you won, but this was the best reaction theater yet. Greg, you won in my heart. You're welcome. You're welcome.

If you think you have some better messages on this one, please leave an audio message 24-7 by going to anchor. fm backslash door bumper clear and click the message icon cannot wait to hear the next one i actually this week can't wait because this is going to be a shisho and our fans are going to go nuts i can't wait i'm i'm excited for it that's ready to go offer pad question of the week what is in your garage and do you use it to park cars or is it a place to work or hang out in as well. Freddie? Megan parks her car in there and

it doubles as a frat house bar for certain Super Bowl Sunday a couple of other events but yeah just really just parked Megan's car. She's got a little workout area set up in there obviously I don't use it. Yeah she

backed her car out of the garage one time and hit my car that I sold for Freddy. Yeah. What an idiot. I'd been sitting there for three weeks. Yeah. She's backed out hit Bertha. Bertha was my car's name. And Megan's got every bell and whistle you could have her in a match. They got a Jeep,

and it's just like, when I get in it, bells, Bing, ding, ding, ding. You know, maybe Noah Gregson watches and Megan back out of the garage. That's what it looked like. Brett. My garage,

I got a three-bay garage, and it's usually used to store my furniture from downstairs and we have to move everything out to replace all the floors. There's a nice fish tank in there. Yeah, 220-gall-d-all-tank in my garage. Right now, it's full of fish and poles, golf cart, tons of scooters. We got those fat scooters spelled P-H-A-T.

They've got real wide tires. A must-have for anybody that lives in the neighborhood. Yeah, man, you can go off-road with him. You drive them in the neighborhood. You drive them on a sidewalk. We use them to go back and forth to the pool. So right now, my garage is mainly to store toys. Brett's got the only three-car garage in the country that's never had a car in it.

I can. It's just a product of life. I got tool-bank. bench in there, work tools, kid toys, car charger, scooters, a little bit of everything in my garage, but it's well organized the majority of the time. I can't stand when I come home and there's toys laying all out over the place and stuff. I'm very organized and I don't like clutter. I want to take my garage and put like part of it, make it kind of like a TV view and bar area because again, I mean, we don't use it as a quote garage. But there's too many Amazon boxes that show.

up every single day for me to be able to really do that either that or you had furniture in there for every recycling furniture we're going to be a furniture restoration family when you swap out your casting couches the next thing no we're in the we're in the makeup business and then we're so now we're selling these beads that I'm wearing my sister selling these beads they help I don't know what they help you do but they're expensive I love for you guys to whatever they're supposed to do they don't work right now remember the balance? Remember the balance wristbands that were supposed to help you make your balance better yeah these are way better than that do they help your balance I don't know what they help, but they're awesome.

I don't know what they're supposed to help, but they're broken when you wear it. Maybe Austin, the caller, would like one. He seems chill and hi. Time to get into our X-FINITY X-Fi more than fast moments from this week. Just like X-Fi, it takes more than speed to compete in NASCAR. So where did you see moments of teamwork, close calls, and solid communication this week? Brett? Hands down, the more-the-fast moment.

Noah Graxon at AJ. Amadinger's teams rebounding after making huge repairs to their cars. I mean, these guys had the right side torn off their cars, and here they come flying up through there to get top fives. I mean, that was impressive, but I don't know how you can go against Ryan Blaney, running Kyle Larson down from, I don't know how many seconds back in that race. I know T.J. was aiding in that process a little bit,

but I just, the way Blaney took care of his tires and closed that race out was incredible to me. What do you think, T.J.? Yeah, I got to go with Justin Allgaier holding out the fastest card Martin Truex Jr. To win the X-Fennie race. That was impressive. That was, I thought Justin was beat, man. But he got there and zero mistakes and great drive. And Justin's had a lot of bad luck.

So congrats to them guys for getting it done and getting the checker flag. Here on Doorbubber Clear, it's always about being more than fast. And I'll tell you what, man, Ryan Blaney was more than fast this weekend as he went by and checked out on dominating race runner all day, Kyle Larson. So it's got to be this week's DBC Xfinity X-Fi. More Than Fast moment. Congrats to Ryan Blaney. Yeah, what else is more than fast?

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at Xfinity Racing on Twitter. For more Xfinity X5 more than fast moments, you can even vote for your favorite each week. Thanks to Xfinity, premier partner of NASCAR. It is time for Fastlane, our weekly segment where we expose the intelligence levels of our panel of

spotters by having them compete in a speed trivia contest. TJ, you are up first. Can't wait. Get out of doing this. First question. Who finish directly behind Joey Lugano in Sunday's rates. Oh man who was it? Nope.

I can't remember. Pick a driver. Chris Rebell. Which organization scored their first stage points of the season on Sunday? I know this one. Shoulders. Techhouse.

What brand was Brett's first car? Ford. What is the what is the national animal of Scotland? Nope. How many pounds are in three tons? 1,000?

Oh, 15. No, no, I was going to say 3,000. Did I get any right? So you got none right. Bubba finished behind Joey. Yes, that's right. Trackhouse did score the first stage points. Brett's first car was a Mazda.

Mazda. We call it the Mazda, Jason. Oh, Mazda. The National Animal of Scotland is a unicorn, and there are 6,000 pounds and three tons. That's all right. I won't get any of mine right. I knew half of yours.

Brett, you ready? Yeah, I can't wait. Which drivers scored their first top five finish of the season on Sunday? Wow. That'd be awesome if I paid attention to anybody who finished other than first and second. Not Denny Hamlin. It's supposed to be fast, remember? Yeah, I don't know.

Say no. That's my go-toeer now. Oh, how many lead changes occurred in Sunday's race? Seven. What brand was Freddie's first car? Uh, Kia. Name one of the two national languages of Finland. Finish.

How many sides and angles does a nonagon have? None. All right, Bowman, uh, finished in the first top five of the season. Who? Dylan. Dang. I didn't know. I said Childress.

You should have played off that? I didn't even hear you. I was focused. It was Bowman. Yeah, it was Alex Bowman. Oh, Bowman, my bad. 11-0-E changes. Freddy's first car was a Buick.

and a nonagon has nine sides. Well, how does a young person drive a Buick? I don't even remember what it was. The commercials are now for your under people. Buick's are for old people. Not a more. My dad was an Oldsmobile Broham or whatever you call. My dad was a used car salesman, so I had about 400 cars when I was growing up.

I had to put the thick oil in it because they had some rockers in there. All right. Freddie, this is the longest show ever. Ready? First question. How many laps did Bubba Wallace complete on Sunday? 324. Could that be any easier?

Who has scored? I mean, he finished one lap down. We all know that this is a race. Who has scored a top five in all but one race this season? Denny Hamill. Jesus. What brand was DJ's first car? Chevy?

Just told you. I figured Dale gave it to him. Do you give Jason reach arounds before or after the show? Don't even ask this next one. This is bad. Oh, wow. What continent is the Nile River on? Egypt. Let me fucking help you.

Go ahead to the next year. Egypt's not a continent, dumbass. I'm trying to help you not. It's not going to get them all right. It don't matter how every one. What was it? It's Africa. How many Grammys did Elvis win?

23. Did you pay Jason? I'm sorry. He just liked me better. I'm just not a two of my other two guys. This is the worst. TJ's first car was an oldsmobile meal. Yeah, I just told you that too.

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I can't wait Who's going first? Wow there's so many choices I have to say Jeff Burton You can't say all the text you sent You better say it We've already called Jeb out

So I've got to give you a new one And I hate to do this to these people Because I truly love them I love people in TV And I love people at Fox We've got so many friends at work there I was going to be okay with this At the Daytona 500

But after that To consistently see these car cartoon characters that looked absolutely hideous on the broadcast, portraying themselves to be drivers. I can't buy into it. What an idiot. Take those things off. Y'all don't have to look at them. They're bad.

I don't know what you're talking about. Is that what you text me about? You said, I didn't know. You're like, these graphics are horrible. And I'm like, I can't see the graphics, Brad. I'm watching the race. There's not on TV here. We should just make our text public knowledge for everybody to see.

No, we should not. That's a terrible idea. That might be the worst idea you ever. What an idiot. TJ. My one idiot is Brett for that comment. Man, I got to go, it's, I didn't know if anybody else saw the Jeb Burton thing. He was up there, but I got, I mean, I got to split it between Jeb and Josh this week.

I mean, Josh got more air than any car I've ever seen. And I know it really hurts your race if you go down pit road, but you finish the race. Yeah, you don't need to destroy a race car. Yeah, I know the woods need another race car, but I, I know. the woods needed another race car, but I wouldn't want to be adding to it. So, and Jeb, Atlanta is a cheese grater, right? I mean, yeah, so you don't want to shred your tires on the pace laps, man. There's three places for the future, one of which you're probably not going to race at.

Rockingham, Darlington, and Atlanta, you never swerve, ever. Yeah, you don't. I mean, maybe just clean the tires up a little bit, coming to the green, right when you're getting ready to go, but not like, down the backstress one lap. It's so funny because I was talking to Chris Rice about it and he was like, well, I haven't watched the race yet and then you bring it up. Me and TJ hadn't even you talk about it.

Yeah. Come on, Jab, get it together. Freddie, in addition to Brett, who is another idiot of the week? I was going to say, Josh, I don't know. I'll tell you who's an idiot. Whoever schedules 500-mile race is an idiot.

Let's get rid of those. There should be three races, 500 miles, and longer on the schedule. I already told you which ones they are. The rest of them should be 50 laps. After Bristol, we might be wanting to go back to a fire front of a mile of Atlanta. We might be begging for that. I don't know.

Who knows? Exciting week, though. Looking forward to getting to Bristol and trying this. This has obviously been on the horizon for a few years now with the cup cars, and now it's going to happen. At least Brett doesn't. You're not going to be there, right, Brett? I am not going to be a Bristol.

My next race is Talladega. Can't wait. Time for DBC picks. Freddie, of course, won with Kevin Harvick. Bull crap. My guy didn't even have his crew chief. I can't believe I picked him. It's okay.

I picked the winner, then backed out of it and picked the guy the wrecked. Could be worse. And Kurt was running good, too. Yeah. This should be a good one with Bristol Dirt. TJ, who you got. So, I mean, well, damn, I've already picked the dirt guy. Speaking of Kurt, shout out to Patrick Merrill.

Glad he's okay. There was a little bit of incident there on Pit Road with him. No kidding. That's scary. I'm going to go with Austin Dillon. That's not a bad pick. It's a solid pick. He's got a late model win there this last week.

It does. It's my turn. Man, I really want to say Chase Briscoe because I've obviously got a lot of friends on the 14 team and Chase has got to at some point turn it on. I mean, you're a rookie. You're coming off of, what, a 9-win season, an Xfinity Series season to remember,

and it just hasn't been relevant yet in these cup races, and we keep talking about Stuart Hoskars have to be faster to do that. But, man, I really, when the season started, I was like Chase Priscoe's going to be my pick. But I can't do that. I'm going to have to roll the dice here. I'm way down. I've got to go with the Magic Man, Kyle Larson.

Mike McLaughlin? I am going to take a guy that I don't even think is on the list. Yeah, there's probably freezing. You can afford to screw around. Stewart freezing. Wait a minute. if he's not on a list we shouldn't be able to pick him. All right.

This is this one race a year where there's going to be different people in it? Why not? But I didn't know to update the list of those people. I know, but I'm just saying he's not a regular guy. It's fine, TJ. We let you make two picks last week. We'll let, TJ. You're lucky.

We'll let Freddie save a pick. I've been P2 right now. I'm not going to save a pick. I'm going to beat you guys. It's freezing. Listen, this is going to turn. I'm not picking a good guy because I think this is going to turn into a demolition derby, and it might just be who's ever left running.

But, hey, I got a little. buffer i could i could uh i can afford to give one up maybe all right thank you to offer pad thank you to mike joy for jumping on with us we like to bring guests on that are relevant mike couldn't have been more relevant and again he he deserved to share his side of the story we don't necessarily still a hundred percent agree with him um but nonetheless uh it was good to have mike on there's there's more that that needs to happen where there there's like i said when he was on here there's no such thing as a wrong opinion t j if he's he has the opinion that the sky is red.

You know what I mean? Like, that's his opinion. That's actually wrong. You're a hack. I'm just saying if he says, you know, my opinion, that's, that helmet over there is orange more than it is yellow. Like, okay, that's your opinion. I think it's yellow. You know, whatever. But you can have a discussion and have differing points without having to, you're a, you're a, you're a, you know, you're a piece, you know, whatever. Like, people just need to realize that. And I see it a lot all the time, obviously, with a lot of stuff I do above, but, you know, it's just, you can have differing.

opinions. There's no, there's no such thing as a right or wrong opinion. Dirt Race of Bristol this week. Can't wait to see it. We'll be back on Monday. Hopefully. Hopefully. Hopefully we're still not there. We are. Hala. See you. Check out Dirty Mo Media on YouTube, Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram. Dirty Mo.