Door Bumper Clear - 211 – Jeb & Harrison Burton: Our Talladega Moments

Episode Date: April 27, 2021

Talladega Superspeedway is in the books and we have race winners in the house. Xfinity Series winner Jeb Burton joins the show to explain his emotion behind the victory, along with his winning spotter Brett Griffin. Joey Logano’s spotter T.J. Majors shares details of how the wreck unfolded that left the No. 22 upside down and Logano upset with superspeedway racing. Freddie Kraft talks about the eventful day for Bubba Wallace and a disappointing result.Fresh off his NASCAR Cup Series debut at Talladega, Harrison Burton joins the show as well. It’s a packed program after an action-packed weekend of racing.After Logano’s fiery comments about the aero package that produced his scary accident, the gang debates the current superspeedway racing product. They share thoughts on why it takes less skill now to succeed and what is to blame for big crashes.Both Matt DiBenedetto and Bubba Wallace, who continue to search for their first career Cup wins, showed promise racing up front on Sunday. However, neither got the job done and the crew analyzes their performances. They discuss what both drivers need to do continue to grow and what Wallace’s early season struggles mean.Jennifer Jo Cobb was denied eligibility to make her first career Cup Series start on Sunday. The guys discuss her comments about not being approved and the larger mistake the team made. Chad Ochocinco was not happy watching so many commercials during the races at Talladega. What needs to be done about this abundance of ads? The gang weighs in.When Harrison Burton joins the show, he shares about how he prepares to race and how the job of a driver has changed since his dad competed. He details the resources available to him as Toyota Racing driver and what Toyota provided him after his fight with Noah Gragson last year.Then he tells all about his first start at the premiere level. Who surprisingly was the first person to reach out to him once the news broke, what he learned on Sunday and how the final restart unfolded. Plus, the hilarious story of why he considers bee stings good luck.In Reaction Theatre, the fans are ruthless. T.J. still hears it even after his car landed upside down and Brett is told he takes all the credit for Jeb’s win. Plus, a young fan raps for us.The events that stood out most from Talladega are shared in the “Xfinity xFi More Than Fast Moments” segment. State nicknames are debated in Fast Lane. And more “What an Idiot” awards are handed out. Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

We call Ward. He said, you god damn right. He said, we're going to get drunk. And Ward said, I'm sure that's not the first time Freddie's been hung over. Do we have him on the show next? I wish we could have a quote from Ward. Read a few scripts. He should do our intro and answers. We can, but he like his...

Can he just do a sound clip? You need to have subtitles. If he does it from home, his internet's pretty good. If he doesn't anywhere else, look. Imagine having a clip. Hey, everybody, this is more button. Thanks for this and the door bumping. That's pretty good.

Can we please have everyone? We're just going to have all these reeds for him to do. That's what I'm saying. Just give him some reeds. He goes off wins at all for pay. If you're looking to sell your home. He could have all of my lines. My favorite one.

Dude, we need to get him to just a couple of reads. Just some short ones. He got done with all that emotional stuff. I walked there. I said, what is cool? I need a beer and a cigarette. Brett. Oh my gosh.

Hey, what's up, everybody? Exfinity series race-winning spotter. Brett Griffin is in the house. You're listening to Door Bumper Clear. Today, we're joined by not one, but two Burtons. We'll talk with both Jeb and Harrison about their big weekend of Talladega. Plus, Freddie, T.J. and I talk about Legano flipping the overtime restart and much, much more. Let's go.

Nobody's listening, but I don't care. I'm on an episode. of door bumper clear Hey everybody, I'm TJ Majors. Part of the 22 Cup car and one minute early today. You were upside down yesterday, TJ Majors, but congratulations on your

ir racing win last week in the two car. That was fun to watch on Fox Sports 1. Brett Griffin here, Spotter, for first place. Jim Burton this past weekend and a sixth place Kaz Grawley yesterday with Collie Racing. What's up, Freddie Crafts, Spotter for Bubble Wallace. I was the car that T.J. decided to land on. I spotted for nobody else this weekend. I took

the week Saturday off and got locked into playoffs thanks to Brett and Jeb. So that was awesome. Did you get your first stage win? Yep. First cup series ever? First cup stage win. Is that me? We should celebrate that. Yeah, sure. Okay. Congratulations. Congratulations. What's up, Casey? How are you? Hello. I'd like to point out that I am early. Usually I'm on time. But Apparently, I'm always late. I think you're on time today. I was early.

I counted, actually, as I walked in the door. It was... Oh, we were counting, too. Don't worry. 929. So, anyways, I got a few texts from people saying, good luck dealing with Brett on the show this week, because after he wins.

I actually got some of them, too. Yeah, and then I was like, honestly, he's probably going to show up drunk, and he's usually nicer. So maybe it'll be easier, and you're clearly sober and, well, not. So I'm telling you, I mean, I celebrated the win on Friday night because I thought it was going to rain on Saturday. I miss.

Hey. We unfortunately ended up at this place and somebody sent me freaking Yeager and I felt like I was going to be rude if I didn't accept the Yeager shot. So I took the shot and I was like, oh, this is going to go downhill. I will tell you one thing, though, the 100% rule still works. The 100% rule still works. If it's 100% chance of rain the next day, if we go out and have fun, we will 100% race. So is the trick that you just need to get drunk every night before a race and then we'll never have a rain delay? No, that's not the trick.

No, no, it's got to be 100% chance of rain. Thank goodness for last call, 11 p.m. and 8 hours sleep and to win the next day. Did it just like a plant? So hungover is really hard works. That wasn't hungover. It takes a lot to get me hungover. Do you want to tell the world that it's Chad's birthday week? Oh, I'm sure Jason is going to put it on the show because he always records before the show starts.

So, it's Chad's birthday week, boys. You know what? I believe in celebrating life. Okay? What age do you stop celebrating your birthday week? Well, I skipped my birthday last year because of COVID. So technically. What do you get two weeks this year?

I mean, I said I got a month, but Chad didn't believe it. So it didn't go very well. Chad thinks you get a year. Now you clearly are talking to Chad too much. Before we get Chad in trouble and I leave the show mad at him for not even talking. Jason, how are you? Hey, I'm pretty good.

Thanks for having me on today. Thanks for having you on. Producer Whiteclaw back there. So, how was Talladega for the rest of you guys? It was an up and down weekend. Here's the thing about Talladega. We had racing, we had fans, we had no masks. It felt like America again.

Everywhere we went. There was a lot of people there. know they advertise it it was 35 percent but I feel like there was way more than 35 percent there. There was a lot of people there Sunday. I mean there's a lot of people there Saturday too. We were trying to leave and we were in crowds of people walking out. I like the parking

spots most of the time like where they keep us separated but it was a little there's a little iffy because you're literally driving through fans. You don't want to be but you have to be and that's sketch man. It is very sketched. And the fans get mad at you. And it read about raining

to me head on that you come out of you were coming out of the airport. Port Road when I was turning in. Well, that's because I didn't park where you parked because I didn't want to. I thought it was literally dangerous to be around all those fans in a car. You probably part than the old parking spot. So I parked somewhere completely different and went around the backside. Yeah. And so what I was doing when I saw you is I was pulling up beside Herm to ask him, did he know where he was going?

I didn't know. I didn't see Herman. Because at this point, I thought he was going to freaking Anniston. And I was like, hey, I got a bail hill on you here. But obviously, Herm knew where he was going. Where were you heading? To victory air. Oh, you'd turn around. No, we got to go through another gate.

That's why I was pulling up beside Herm when you and I were playing chicken. Yeah. And you lost because you were not off the road on the right. Well, I was on the right. I wasn't off the road. I was worried about the cop. I was looking for the cop that was standing there to be get all mad. Honestly, the part of the race that people should be recording is the race to the planes after because it's usually pretty fun.

Yeah, they're fun. Anyways. Freddie, your guy in the draft yesterday was about his loyal as old Hugh Heffield. I was just about to call that out. I've never seen anybody change lanes. I said, well, Freddie, will you stop telling him he's clear? This is ridiculous. Brett came to me and says, if I had a dollar for every time your guy changed lanes today, I'd be a rich son of a bit.

And I was like, yeah, tell me about it. We were, we were, he said he wanted to be aggressive yesterday and he was aggressive. I'd also like to call out, I'm pretty sure Fox chooses you, both of you guys, to follow the entire race because I think Brett had more coverage than some of the drivers did. When was this? Exfinity race. Can you please sing your rain dance again? Well, that wasn't my rain dance. So, I mean, so we were going back and forth all week on Twitter.

Obviously, Jeb had L.S. tractors on the car. And when it started raining, I just started singing, She thinks my track is sexy. But I didn't know that was going to be on the freaking broadcast. And then my Twitter blew up. So I was like, well. I guess they played that. I don't remember that part.

Freddie was on broadcast Sunday. Yes. You got interviewed or something, did you? Yeah. Oh, boy. What do he asked you. He said, hey, Freddy, I got a question. What land do you want to be in the end?

How did you want to be in the end? Who do you want pushing you? Who looks best out there? Where do you want to be at the end? How are you going to judge these runs? How did you hold on for that stage? I was like, Clinton? 27 questions.

We got an hour for this segment? I was like, oh, yeah, it's just been an uneventful day. We just had one land on us. Doesn't always blow you away, T.J. How, when you're spotting the race and then the broadcast booth comes over, you're ready. how great and loud they sound. Their microphones are amazing because when they key up,

you lose both hearing. You lose hearing in both ears for a minute. Yeah, it's amazing how good and loud their microphones are. I mean, back in the day, be, hey, this is DW, you got me? And I'm like, whoa, yeah, we got you, bud. I wish I could hear my driver that good. Can you give me a warning real quick? And sometimes they come on channel two first,

and they'll run channel, and then you, You could switch back over, but their microphones are really good. Speaking of TJ winning an irase. I'm not allowed to say it because I'll get blocked by him too. Speaking of TJ with the irasks last year. I was the winning spotter in the eye race. I want to know. I want y'all to be honest, TJ, because I know how biased you get about certain things.

I want to know how you feel about two things. Number one, and it doesn't matter who the kid is. Obviously it's Keel and Harvick, right? But forget about that part of it. I want to know how you feel about. about an eight-year-old being in that race with a bunch of cup drivers. What do you think that does for the product? I mean, Keelan's not bad.

I mean, I've raced with Keelan before. And actually, me and Kevin Hamler drafting one time, and Keelan pulled out. And me and Kevin are like, awesome. We just got passed by an eight-year-old. I mean, so I know Keelan's going to be a good race car driver, too. I'm not talking about Keelan. I'm talking about the fact that there's an eight-year-old on this broadcast,

because for me... I feel like there was more qualified people to be in there than Keelan probably, but... I mean, you don't let Ryan Priest race, who's a full-time racer. Ryan Priest should have probably been in there. He's up there leading laps. He's very strong.

He's a cup driver. You don't let Kaz Grail a race who was going to be in the actual race. But what I guess my point is, from a competition standpoint and what we're trying to accomplish with this, Freddie, I feel like having a kid on there delegitimizes how hard it is to do it.

almost and look I would be all for having a kid show get all the driver's kids to do a do a pre show I'd kind of would it look like anyway I think that'd be awesome but like I just was like man I don't know I mean I guess it's entertaining I guess it's something fox wanted to do but I was kind of butt hurt that that they did it just because I'm like man priest kind of got the shaft here yeah for sure Ryan kind of got screwed there a little bit but you know like it's part of the show it's just it's where are you going with this is this we're we supposed to take this seriously or are we supposed to this a show. Like, which way do you want it to be? Because it really can't be both. I don't, you know, if, Keelan was fine in the race. I mean, he rode around the back most of the race. But the

qualifications for it. Yeah, but I mean, it's just. He didn't do anything wrong. He did great. He was awesome. Yeah. There was just more qualified people for the race. There's just, there's people that are going to be in the race on Sunday that could have been in the race. You know what I mean? You weren't going to let Timmy Hill be on the first one, but you let an eight-year-old be on the second one. Like, I just, I was, and Timmy Hill races is everything you get a, just get in. Timmy Hill drives everything he can. Obviously,

he'd run all the time if he could and good car, you know what I mean? So I think, yeah, I don't know. I think there was more qualified people than Keelan. But no issues with him driving. It's just there's Ryan Priest probably should have been in before him. What'd you do to celebrate that win?

Walked in my living room. So it was, I go up to Brad's shop, and Brad hasn't turned his computer on forever. And if you don't, First of all, if you don't keep up to date with high racing, they update their software. They work on it. So they update it.

So I turn it on. There's update after update. I'm like, dang. And it was like getting to be 430, 5 o'clock, something like that. And I'm like, you got to be in there like six or something like that. I don't know. So I'm updating and stuff and get all that done and get it working. We set all those buttons up and stuff.

And I'm sitting here thinking like, man, I'm setting all this stuff up and probably just going to get wrecked here soon because like these guys don't run this every week. So they're pretty sketchy to be around. and I'm ir racing. Like, Freddy knows what I'm telling. It's hard. So I'm like, maybe we're putting all this time into this and probably it's going to get wreck. So I messed up because I left Brad's shop

and I thought I called Randy's barbecue in Troutman. And I'm like, yeah, I'm going to drive-thru, sure. And so I order go to get there. I'm like, where's the drive-thru in this thing? Couldn't find it. So I walk inside and I'm like, I had a drive-thru order, but I can't find your drive-thru. Oh, you called Statesville.

I'm like, I didn't know you had two locations. So they're like, well, let me call there and cancel her, and I'll get it down here. I'm like, you don't mind doing that? And they were super nice about it. So I get that, go home, eat dinner with my family. I go in there and there, and there, I log in. This is all after the race. No, this is during the rate.

Like, right, I log in as Brad Spotter because Joey has, he's at the Fox Studio, and he's got seven different people talking to him at one time with Clint down there. And he probably can't get a worry about Clint anyway. So I sit down and I log in as Brad Spotter and they're rolling off the grid. And I think Brad was like seventh or eighth or something. I told him where to run and qualify. And he did an okay job, I guess. I didn't see it.

But like Brad, just stay on the line. They're going to wreck. Just stay on the line here. And he did a good job. And there was literally no officiating on the restarts because one restart was the beginning of pit road. The next restart was in turn one. In his interview, he said you did a good job. I did do a good job spotting.

Setting his stuff up. I didn't even really spot anything until I was doing fuel mileage because there was going to be a fuel stop. I was sitting there trying to figure out how much fuel he needed. And it was the kid that was working with the 51. And that means, like, hey, what do you guys doing? I'm like, well, what are you doing fuel? What is pit when you pick? Because there wasn't any, no other people to work with, really.

So we all put her together. And Brad just did a good job. Jason just brought the fucking swearing job. Yeah, that he has more money than anybody in. Yeah. But no, Brad did a good job, and he texted me out there. He's like, thanks for all your help, you know. And normally Brad's like, doesn't look forward to it,

but I think he had a really good time. I bet he'll do it again because he won the big race. He won the big race. I mean, Brad's actually pretty good at sim racing. So if he puts a little bit of time in it, he'll be at front. Yeah, cool. Well. How about how about we saw a new SRX?

driver this week. Oh yeah. Haley Deegan? Yeah. Is that for real? Uh, yeah. Sounds like one race. Yeah. Yeah, one, okay, but, uh, hey, listen, to each their own, that's, that's a pretty brave move. Where's she gonna run at? Knoxville, I think. I figured it was a dirt track. Yeah, probably. Well, with her experience, I mean, on dirt. That's a big sense. I don't know that, I don't know that if I'm a full-time NASCAR driver, I'm going to drive an SRX car. Just my opinion. Did you watch the videos they put out there than practicing testing. There's been a couple videos. Yeah.

I'm interested in seeing how it goes. So you're implying that her leaving, not leaving NASCAR, but taking a break from NASCAR to go run this series maybe look down upon by the old NASCAR brass. Yeah. Yeah, that's exactly what I'm implying. I think I caught your drift right there. I mean, you look at Tony Stewart. I mean, they took the race away from El Doro when Tony announced he's going to do this.

how them SHR cars running anyway whew I don't man Haley you might want to rethink this I don't have your number TJ does you want to race it go race it

and speaking of rides old Brett Moffitt I mean Switches points Switches points finally He clearly listens to the show He listened to you obviously

Yeah but what I didn't understand now is what I'm hearing in rumor I don't know if it's come out yet. He's losing his truck ride over this. He is? Yeah.

Wow. Like they're going to put somebody else in it, I guess, or not run. I mean, I will tell you this, that when they do the payouts at the end of the year, you know, it does, it does, I mean, it matters. You know what I mean? So he potentially, essentially cost them a lot of money. So I guess that. But I guess he weighed it out and said, I can win more on this side than I can this side. I mean, I'm guessing.

I think it's been pretty obvious. from Vegas, you know, that his Xfinity car was way better, you know, outperforming his truck. You know, he's almost won homestead. Yeah. It was close that in the competition. If he was going to win a race, it was going to be probably in the Xfinity car. The truck just didn't have the speed he's had in the years past. So it's interesting.

I don't think that's confirmed. You know, I don't know if it's confirmed that he's out of a ride, but I've heard rumors that he thinks maybe he's out of that ride. So, you know, it'll be interesting to see, but it's just I don't understand it. Who are you going to put in there that's going to run better than him? I mean, he's a great race driver as far as trucks and Xfinity. Maybe somebody's going to bring some sponsorship. Which number truck is he in right now? 45.

40 something. Yeah, they move a lot of seats around over there. They do. Not as strong as they were a couple years ago. I don't know that they still have that big GMS. So that's what a lot of people don't understand. So Ross Chastain, when he drove the niece trucks and was contending for the championship, he was driving complete GMS trucks.

The very next year, Ross moved on to a colleague, and Ty Majeski got in there. They no longer had a GMS alliance. So they went all to their own stuff, and it showed. They were nowhere near as competitive as they were the year before. So now, of course, everybody's like old time time, Tymosky ain't doing nothing in that truck. Ross almost won a championship in when it was completely different. Now, fast forward another year.

Now, Brett's in the same equipment. Can't go anywhere either. you know, I don't know how you look and say, damn, we had this, the Lions of GMS, we almost won a championship, and two years later we've got a champion in our truck and we can't win a race. So, I mean, somebody's got to look in the mirror over there and go, hey, maybe we need to rethink our model over here. Did you know what an engineer?

Yeah, Thor's sport. I think he's going to run some races this year. Yeah, I think so. That'd be good. I mean, that's a good program, solid program to be in. But look, man, it comes down to money. Yeah. And if Nees Motorsports doesn't have the capital and the revenue to get the resources,

You're not going to run with the KBMs and the Thor sports and the guys who have those. I mean, Thor Sport, Duke has deep pockets. Real deep. KBM has deep sponsorship. That's what it takes. Hey, one more thing, guys. I know we got a long, fun show today. What did you guys think about Larson pretty much blowing up soon as the race started?

Ooh, I mean, you talk about a mistake. That is about as bad as it gets. You know, I don't understand exactly what happened or why. this happened, but supposedly there was something in there, a piece of metal or something behind the radiator that was restricting or stopping airflow.

No airflow. No airflow. So he literally, I was watching the race this morning and lap one, I saw him, I thought he was just bailing up to go to the back. You know, we see it all the time, we go green and there's guys that are like, I'm out of here. So he's backing up through the field, and I just assumed and I saw like the next lap he's on the road, but then watching the race on TV, they've got a radio communication

And off of turn two, the first lap, he's at 315 degrees. Wow. And then by the time he got on pit road, he said he was 355 degrees. And obviously, they realized what happened. But by the time he got back out there, it was cooked. I mean, he essentially was melting the engine down the minute he fired it up because there's no air getting there to cool the water down to cool the engine block down and the oil and everything else. So, holy sit and duck.

That's not the way you want to start a 500-mile race. No, I mean, obviously, it's unfortunate for whoever's job that is, but I mean, that's just a mistake that can't happen. Job it was. I mean, I hope that's not the case, but if there's ever a fireable offense, that's probably one of them. Well, before we kick off the rest of the show, let's hear more about our presenting sponsor OfferPad. Let's get ready to sell. A home selling with OfferPad is as easy as welcome to OfferPad. How can we help?

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I just don't feel like that's acceptable. TJ, spot on, spot on. Wow. I mean, he's right. And by this, I don't think, I personally don't think he dislikes plate racing in general. I think he dislikes that Freddie could go enter a car and get a run and be competitive.

like that. I mean, just keep your foot in it. Stay wide open. I personally really like the Xfinity package. You can get runs, but you have to work out a little bit, a little bit more than the Cupside. Cupside, we get halfway down in the backstretch, and you got five cars bumper to bumper, and you're catching the league guy at a massive rate. And if one of them guys doesn't get the message in time that they're all tight in front of you, somebody's getting turned around. We see it every single race now. the wrecks come from not the second car in line, but most of the time the third or fourth car on line,

because they don't know. And you can't get away from each other in this package at all. There's literally no bubble, no nothing. And to me, when you get spun out, we always jam up at the plate races now. Where does everybody get jammed up? End of the backstretch, right? Yep, into three.

And anytime you turn one of these cars around and you're going down another corner like that, and then you get tapped at all, they're going to get upside now. Like you can't, I feel like we have really good drivers, but we're just too tight a lot now, in my opinion,

just, I missed the package that you could, you could work with people and get runs, but it was all so hard, like if you didn't work it right, the guy could protect a little bit. It wasn't like you could, you know,

across the line we're six wide every time now, which I know is exciting, but, Like Joey says, when's it going to stop? This is something, we're, the door's open for really bad accidents when we're on top of each other doing a hundred ninety five mile an hour. I mean, it's scary to hear that the roll bar is on his head, you know. I mean, and that's a scary thing to hear, Freddie. I just wonder if this is some foreshadowing about 2022 because there's a lot of internal conversations in this industry about this new car and how rigid it is and how stiff it is and how the driver.

is taking a lot of the hit when these big hits are going to happen. So I don't know if this is almost like a warning shot from one of our biggest stars of, hey, we got to make sure safety. And look, safety is a top priority. I'm not saying it's not. But we've got to just keep making sure that we can do everything to keep these guys as safe as they can, given how dangerous it is out there. Yeah.

And the other thing you think about with that new car coming is the underneath the belly pan, I believe, is a lot bigger than the one we have now. and that is another recipe for disaster with a car getting up at it you know spins backwards whatever it could get off the ground a lot easier um and yeah we have heard a lot of stuff about you know hard impact William Byron's hit was huge yeah like and it from what we understand it wasn't a it didn't appear to be a huge wreck but the the g-force on it was a really really big number um but you know just going back to the joey's comments on the package and stuff obviously this package, you get massive runs.

But at the same time, it doesn't matter what package we've had. We've always had huge wrecks. So you can blame it half on the package, but it's also half on the drivers, how aggressive they're pushing. You know, and listen, I'm all for changing a package up because, like T.J said, it's just massive runs, and there's no, it doesn't seem like there's no skill to it. It's just, you know, you get lined up with the right guy,

the right guy gets on your bumper and shoves you out. You're going 10 miles an hour faster than a guy in front. of you. Yeah. Um, you know, so it's stuff like that, but, you know, again, at the end of the day, if the drivers aren't pushing a hell out of each other, this wreck's not going to happen. So, you know, where's the give, where's the take, you know, I don't know where you, where you draw the line there. Now that you've seen all the data on this wreck, T.J., whose fault was that wreck? Ah, man, I don't, I don't, I mean, I don't, I don't feel like you can blame one guy. It's just, to me it's the it's the package you're coming to the end of the stage you want them we're racing

for stage points everybody's trying to get all you can and danny's getting pushed by ricky rickie he's probably getting pushed behind him and it only takes one guy to drive in there three feet deeper than he you know push three feet further than he should and you can see denny get out of shape and as soon as denny gets out of shape he gets just like the end of the 500 brad got McDow swiped his bumper a little bit and it turned him Denny's aimed back towards us. Just like McDow or Brad was at aimed back towards us at the 500. And it's just we need to be able to have a little bit of separation. Not that you should be able to get to each other still and get runs,

but you shouldn't have five cars. You can't. It was a wreck. It was easy to say when I first saw it that the 11 went to the bottom and then hooked you because that's what essentially he did. He was getting turned. But when Denny went to the bottom, he wasn't going to the bottom to make a move back towards you.

Which was surprising to, though. I don't even think he was trying to make a move. I think he was trying to stay in line. Because if he would have made a move, he would have, I think he just would have went all the way to the bottom, shorter radius of corner and been gone. Like it looked like he kind of got hit and he wasn't ready to go quite yet,

and then he went back up and he was getting hooked at that point. But there's no, and trust me, I'd love to point the finger at Denny on this, but I can't. Denny didn't do anything wrong. I don't like to see our guys go upside down, especially the taller guys. Taller guys make it even more nervous, but then you watch it Ryan Newman wreck, and it's like, man, just really, really bad things are exposed when we're upside down in these cars. And we saw it, you know, both stages.

We had big wrecks on the last lap of both, you know, big wreck in the way that Joey flipped over, and then we had a multi-car wreck on the last lap of the second stage, too. It's just, that's kind of why I put the, you know, a little bit more of the blame on the drivers for the fact that we made it through the whole thing. But then when you guys want to get aggressive and start shoving each other around to get these. stage points, that's when we get the big wrecks. So you can blame it on the package because we can get them big runs, but it's still in the driver's hands of how hard they want to push. The blocks are there too with this package, and the blocks

are super dangerous as well. And I saw many guys throw blocks yesterday, not just one. Everyone that was leading through a big block at some point. And it's dangerous with the closing race that we have now. And

I don't know, I missed the package from maybe 14 to 16-ish in that area where you know look two guys lay off they get a good run they get it but it also what I miss about that too is this is a little bit different but I missed the guys you could tell the teams that put more time into their plate program you could that showed like Stuart Hoskers drove away a few years ago I mean they were gone but they figured something out

but I missed I missed the teams that you know the sluggers them guys that would they knew how to make a car go fast at plate races They knew these little tricks and stuff, and they got the result. If they got up front, they could earn it. You guys were racing really hard all the way, not long for you, T.J. But I was able to watch the race for the first two-thirds of it. And I said on Channel 2 to Chris Rice, it is unbelievable how stable these cars are. They were beating the ever-living crap out of each other and not even wiggling.

So I think it's almost, once again, I say this because they're running a hundred and ninety-nine. It's too easy to drive. Like they're literally beating the crap at each other. And I'm keying up thinking I'm getting ready to say they're wrecking and they don't wreck because they're that stable. Yeah. Now they're. And that also leads to, you know, like kind of a false thing of like, oh, I can hit that guy. But you can't always hit him.

You can't always hit him. And that's what I'm saying. The fifth guy in line has just as good as run as the second place guy in line and the leaders are sitting duck. Like big time. So you, the new car coming out next. year, do you think that will change at all, or do you envision it being really similar? I have no idea. No idea. Yeah. Depends on what they... They'll have to play with the package, obviously. They've done a speedway test, right? But I think just a single car. I don't know that they've done two.

I think they did it to Daytona, didn't they? Yeah, they did it. I know they did the Daytona test, but I think it was just one car. I don't think they had two built at that time. Yeah, they got three now. Teams are just now starting to get parts for these cars. Yeah, I don't know how they're going to build them all. I'll be honest with you. Like how the chassis manufacturer is going to build them all. But it'll be interesting. Spot on, spot off. Matt DeBanedetto loses two consecutive Talladega races when leading on the overtime restart. Brett, since you love saying his name. Man, I'd love to see Doug Campbell get a win. I'm fortunate that you can't do that. I mean, look, these restarts are nuts. I mean, Matt's proven he's a good plate racer to be up there leading. And I would have loved, loved to have

seen them win this race for the Wood Brothers 100th win had John Wood on last week. Eddie and Lynn Wood, Kim Wood Hall, think the world of that family. I hope they get 100 soon. I really do. With Matt D. in the car, because a lot of fans love Maddie D. Yeah, obviously was pulling for Doug kind of on the side there. Hoping when I saw him up front there was a couple to go. But, you know, last year there, I don't think there's anything he could have done differently. He kind of got out front and had a big run coming at him and he tried to throw a block and he forced somebody under the line and got a penalty. But, you know, it was a block you had to throw, and it probably wasn't, you know, it's

so wide there. If they got a big enough run, it's hard to block. So I don't think there's anything he could have done differently last night. But then I think, I'm sorry, couldn't have done a different last year. But yesterday, I think if they had to redo it, they probably, so I don't know if you caught it, but they're on the bottom with the two, and the 12 has a little run coming up top, and he pulls up in front of the 12 to stall that out, but left the two open on the bottom and the two just pulled up next to them.

And I think obviously hindsight, you might want to just stay with the two because the 12th line kind of fell apart behind him. Yeah, it did fall. But then they still had a very good shot at it down the backstretch. And they're coming down, you know, I don't know if you saw it. I went back and watched it. But, you know, they're reformed up 21, 21 and the 12. And the 8 is coming with a head of steam.

And I'm like, oh, man, he's going to push them both out back out front. And then I'm not exactly sure why. But Tyler decided he was going to pull out and got outside of, of Blaney and pretty much ruined any chance. The outside line had it going anywhere. But, you know, hated for them. Matt's a good dude. I hope he gets one soon.

Hope the Woodward's get 100. Hope Doug finally gets one. But, you know, there wasn't much they could have done differently. But I think if they had to do it over, they'd probably just stay in front of Brad and let him push. Yeah, but you never know at that point. The 8 might get behind the 12 and shove him all the way to the front. It used to be so methodical on how you accomplished what you accomplished.

And that was on the spotter. That was on the driver. And now it is just with two to go, it's such a game of luck. I think I was running 17th or 18th down the backstretch with Kaz. And I'm telling him what I think we need to do, obviously, as things are playing out. And fortunately, we were in the right line going into three. And then coming off of four, we shot to the middle, which was the right move. I think it surprised Eric Jones.

He came down, hit us, we hit Ross, cut Ross's tire, essentially ended up wrecking Ross. and the 43 because of the 43's move. But it's just hold it wide open and push like hell and hope you make it through. It's not a methodical play like it used to be. Now, if I back up to the Xfinity series, it's still a very methodical draft. That's exactly what ours should be. And I'm spot off. I hope Matt gets a win soon.

He's been in position to earn these and he'll get one. But like what you said, like most of the wins now are luck. Like they're just luck. I mean, you're at the right spot at the right time. Danny Hamelin was the Daytona 500 because two guys crash and he's the lucky they get like that, you know? And there's once in a while we had races where you say, okay, a guy got lucky and won that race. But majority of the time, it was, man, bright kicked everyone's ass today. You know, back when he was winning them races, like, hey, man, they got up front and they earned that.

And they fended off the runs, manipulated the lines more. And that's the skill of the plate racing. Now it's... In cup. Yeah, in cup, you just throw the dice and hope you come out on it. You just lock. It just takes almost nothing to develop. Like, it used to be able, like, you could see a run developing.

Like, it'd be like, okay, that guy backed up a little bit. He's locked on that guy now. They're going to be coming at us. Now it's like a snap of a finger. Holy shit, this guy's coming 10 miles and how fast. I am. We're going to sound stupid when we say this. but we're always so complimentary about the Xfinity series,

the package, the horsepower, the racing, the length of the races. Why are we not trying to migrate all the positive things that we all see and say about the Xfinity series? I'm sorry, guys. The cup race yesterday was too damn long.

It was too long. And, I mean, there's no, like you said, the winner was going to be whoever got lucky, whoever got the right. right push or wasn't going to be a guy working the lanes both lanes and making it happen

you know waiting for them guys to get the right run to try to fend you know try to get it and that's that's what i miss about it i miss the guys i miss how them guys used to manipulate stuff to get runs and see it happen because it was a skill and now it's like what's the skill now hold it wide open and look drive through the guy now you could spin them both out and win i mean that's what it's come to, right? Give me a 90-lap Xfinity race and give me a 125 lap cup race. I would just go back. All you got to do is go back and count how many laps we are single file up against the wall riding around doing nothing.

Take them out of the race. Because that's all they do. That's them guys showing you like, there's no point in us racing right now, so we're all just going to get up here and roll around. Maybe we're not going to sound dumb after all. Good ideas. Spot on, spot off. Denny Hamlin expressed frustration with how Bubba Wallace managed the draft and worked with team.

teammates early in the race saying the same thing happened at Daytona. Freddie, your best friend. Well, I guess he's always right, right? Is that what I say on here? You know, listen, like I said, Bubba was super aggressive yesterday. And, I mean, we drove from dead last to the lead in 13 laps or something like that. 13 times. And then, you know, I know, I think that, like, there's a couple times where Bubba was a little

slow block, like the Gibbs cars were lined up on the bottom. same thing as Jeb on Saturday's like it down down down down you know like and he was a little slow one time blocking Kyle and then uh I screwed up I saw that block wow I screwed up um down the front stretch kind of the same situation that Doug was in at the end of the race where top lanes come in momentum bottom lanes come of momentum I thought I could get up block the top and come back but just the way it played out the top kind of fell apart so they didn't get there with that same momentum so we moved up the Toyota line pulled up next to us. So I'm assuming that's what he's talking about, not working on our teammates, maybe just staying down there in line. But listen, you know, Bubba's learning, man. He's still learning. Now he's learning what to do with a really fast race car. You know, we were there for years with decent stuff at Petty. But what we got now is a whole other world. And you don't have to be as, you know, with that Petty car, we had to be super aggressive to make our own holes or force people to help us now. What you mean, man, Eric Jones was quiet all day and he's running top seven at the end.

I'm saying, like all day. But, you know, so it's, it is what it is. He's learning. And, you know, I have to, I'm sure we're going to have our meeting tomorrow. And I'm sure Daniel will be there. So I'll find out exactly what we did wrong. But he has no problem. And which is great.

That's what you want out of your boss, out of your team owner is accountability. And he'll be happy to tell me all the stuff I did wrong yesterday. And it's only going to help me get better when I go back there. So it's, you know, is this going to be in the Netflix series? Because I hope. Yeah. Probably. Can we record this for a DVC segment?

Freddie, I hope you get your own, like, part in the Netflix series. Like, you're just the funny guy, the second character. So we heard about this Netflix thing shoot months ago, right? Yeah. Did he was very instrumental in making this happen with his race team and obviously his driver bubble walls. I can't wait for this thing, man. Like we're finally going to have something come out that's not some crazy sitcom or crazy movie. The Formula One show is awesome.

Oh, it's huge marketing tool. Their ratings in America have tripled since that show came out. Yeah, it's a great show. I mean, that's a global freaking marketing strategy. I really had to laugh this week because everybody's been saying for months, you know, since the Netflix, I mean, since the F-1 deal had come out that, you know, oh my God, NASCAR needs this. NASCAR needs something like this.

That'd be great. And I knew back in, I think I told you in like January, we were doing a meeting at Denny's house and there was a film crew there. I was like, ooh, what's going on here? So I knew back then I had told Brett, and then you see the announcement come out and people are like, this is ridiculous, why are they doing it with Bubba? That's, you know, of course it's Bubba. Like, yeah, it's Bubba. You got a team owner that's also driving in the sport and some other guy named Michael Jordan involved. You know, that might have something to do with it. But, you know, I saw one guy who's actually like, you know, maybe I would obviously, I think it would be better

with multiple teams, but like the Formula One show. This is at least a starting point where we can do this with us and then maybe next year it morphs into something different but i think a nascar version of that show with the different you know especially if you have two guys get into it that weekend you follow them both a little bit that week and kind of see where their mindsets are and you can make a great show i love bubba to death i love freddie to death i think this race team is three months away from feeling a lot of pressure if they continue to post the same finishes they're posting because what we don't want to see is this be the next travis pastrana this be the next danaica Patrick, where it's this big thing that never comes to be.

And Bubba's going to have to start one way or another. If it means riding in the back all day at Talladega, not racing for the stage win, one way or another, this team has to start posting top 10 finishes in my mind. And I don't think it's three months away. Four? I mean, keep in mind, there's still two years. Very neat. Casey, this is a performance business.

I agree. I agree. But I also think this Netflix show will help show what it's. takes I mean they put this team together pretty quick like you don't even have a like a shop that's built you're in another shop right now you guys had work like I disagree here because don't tell me why you can't tell me why you can't I disagree because that shows and they go into there and they talk about the Haas team being on the low end like they're they're new still I mean compared to the rest and they say look we don't have the quite the budget these guys have right now we're trying

we're competing with we're doing the best what we have and they they do a decent job for running what They got, this isn't what they're going in there with their team. They're going in there with equal. I mean, I don't know what the budget is, but to me, it's a, it's a one of the top funded, like it's got decent funding. We're not low budget. I can promise you. That's what I'm saying. The car is sold out.

If you wanted to sponsor a race for Bubba Wallace this year, you cannot. So you're 100% right. But, I mean, you look, Colleg Racing, they've run three races this year. They've got a sixth place, a seventh place, and a 27th place. and a 20-something they reckon they told a 500 you can't tell me why you can't casey this is a performance driven business if he continues to run outside of the top 10 he will be out of a job you know and it's it's a lot of it is you know it's a new car and people just just say automatically uh well he's jumping into the Gibbs car he should run just as good as Danny and

them guys that's not going to happen um you know you got to put for one you got to put the work in you got to you got to you know do the study and do put your work in and two you got to learn the car like right now his biggest struggle is you know martinsville we struggled because it was a completely different break packages than we've ever had there so he struggled with a breaking all day along there you know and and he'll be better the next time he goes back so our goal right now is to just continue to get a little bit better each week and we had been doing that up until bristol we had a little setback at martinsville and richmond and now we're going to try and just turn the page and get back to give me a little bit better so that when we go back to these second times of these racetracks we've got a little better notebook we've got you know some practice races coming up where we can

where you can fine tune some stuff with Bubba. But, you know, like Brett said, if we don't start performing better, and right now, I think right now we're 30-something points out of the playoffs. You know, that's not, if you go on a little run here and click off some top tens, that gap is going to close pretty quickly. So, you know, if we can just turn the right. You're only on four spots out, which is achievable. If we write the ship and get going here, we're making the playoffs is not out of the question.

I think you bring up a funny point because if I sit here and I look at, man, what did Richard Petty and David Pearson do to be so great? And then what did Dale Earnhardt do to be so great? It changed. What did Jimmy Johnson do to be way better than Jeff Gordon? It changed. And Jimmy Johnson changed it from a physical and mental perspective. Now what you're hearing out of Freddie is putting the work in,

that literally means studying. Denny Hamlin, Joey Lugano, those guys study all. week to prepare. That's what it's taken right now. That's what they mean by putting the work in. We didn't have the tools two, three years ago that we have right now, and it's made these drivers mentally have to change their game to be on top of it. And that's why the guys that you see at the top of the point standings are the guys that are the guys that are worked hard. Kevin Harvick goes to bed every night at 8 o'clock and eats a strict nutrition meal. Then that's part of the work that you got to put in. And I thought, you know, one of our last meetings, Danny had one of the

best analogies I thought where he said, listen, there's five identical race cars there. You know, there's the four Gibbs cars and then our cars are identical to theirs. He said, so whoever's not working the hardest out of those five is never going to beat the other four. You know, that's just the way this sport is right now. So if you got, you know, if Bubba or Denny is not putting the time and effort in like Kyle, Martin and Christopher are, they're not going to outrun them on the racetrack. So that's just where it comes in. And it comes in not only studying, but just physical stuff, you know,

in shape, you know, make sure your hydration levels are right. So, you know, you don't have any problems during the race. It's just every little detail that you've got to, you know, and Danny's going to work with Bub a little more going forward here on that and try to get, you know, try to get us where we need to be. And no manufacturer in this sport offers more than Toyota and TRD. Yeah. On top of that, we have one of the most incredible resources where we have our team owner out

there competing against us every week and he can sit down and go through everything with Bubba and go, here, this is how I do it every week. And then, you know, Bubba can take bits and pieces of that and morph it into his own deal. Guy named Del Earnhardt built a really nice company the same way, DEI. Just, you know, I mean, it's, nobody else has access to that. Nobody. I mean, obviously you guys can, you know, Martin and them are teammates of his, but he owns our team. So obviously, his success is directly related to our success.

So he's going to do everything he can to help us. Spot on, spot off. Jeb Burton wins the Xfinity Series race at Talladega when Freddie takes the week off of spotting and Brett fills in. I'm spot on. Just want to move on here. Can I say that again? Because he's being a d'I. I like Jeb.

I like Jeb and it's good to see. You know, first-time winners are always fun and Jeb's been putting the work in. He didn't just show up and just fall in his lap. He's been putting the work in. and the guys deserving of a win, so I'm spot on. I'm spot off for the rain because I was really enjoying watching that race, though. It was fun as hell to watch. I agree.

I'm spot on for a lot of different reasons. I certainly was happy. I certainly was happy as a spotter to win the race, but I was happier as a marketer because having touched all these sponsorships that are on that car, having known Jeb for a long time, and getting a chance to work with him this year, definitely made it a lot of fun. But, T.J., probably the thing I'm most happy about,

is he didn't just go up there and lead the last lap. I mean, he led 20-something laps. The only person to lead more laps. The only person to lead more laps than he did in this race was Austin Cendrick. I think he let a couple more than Jeb did. And it all played out right, man. I mean, you put yourself in position to win races and you can win races, and this was a methodical draft.

He did all the right things. There were times where he wanted to make blocks to keep the lead, and I didn't because it was too early. There was a time I told him to get out of the draft in the stage two, and he got mad. I could tell it because he didn't get out of the draft. I had to scream at him to get out of the draft. But we weren't in a position to get stage points.

And if you're not going to get stage points, there's no reason to be up there. I've done the same thing with Haley at Daytona. I have really enjoyed watching him race this year. I've enjoyed having Freddie working with him. And man, I love plate race and very blessed to – I mean, I'll tell you what happened. So they had a spotter they were going to get, and the spotter they were going to get didn't have any plate wins. And I said, we're not using a spotter that's never won a plate race. I'll do the plate races, and then that spotter can do the rest.

Well, then some things changed. We thought we were going to run a fourth car. Freddie was going to spot that at the plate races. But Freddie, how did you enjoy the race on Saturday? It was awesome. I went down and I joined our buddy Kyle Rush from Offerpad and his friend's a couple of GMs from, I think, Atlanta and Orlando, Vaughn and Amir. So I hung out with them guys, had a couple beers, which I'll have to come back to that

beer thing in a second. But obviously it was happy for Jeb. Happy for Brett, believe it or not. happy for like Bruce and all the guys, really happy for Nutrient. I know they were waiting. You're so full of it right now. No one wants to see their car win with somebody else. I'm good.

I don't care. I was happy. Trust me. I was happy. Just kidding. Not kidding. But, you know, I was really happy for Nutrient Ag. I know they were trying to get a win last year, didn't get it.

Obviously, weren't a primary, so hopefully we can get one as a primary for them. So I am sitting in the grandstands with Kyle Rush and, Amir and Vaughan, and I found my next job after I retire. I'm going to be the beer guy at Talladega. Think it pays good? That pays amazing because it's $12 more to get the same amount of beer from that guy as it is to get it from the concession stand. Wow.

So I don't know exactly what kind of hiring process. How much was a beer at the concession stand and how much was a beer in your seat? uh the beer at the concession i think was 34 or 36 dollars and then it was like 47 or something in the in the grand staves so so nine bucks a year was four beers yeah so so yeah but that's my next job so if you guys need me how big were the beers 16 22 16 i think yeah weren't one the big ones um but it was it was fun though i like that if that's your first beer that's a hard that's a hard nine dollars to spend but if it's your 10th beer?

No, yeah. It don't even matter. It could have been a $30 beer in your buying. It don't even matter. That's like going to the bar for a shot. You want a shot later in the night. Everybody gets shot. This is still my favorite thing about a lot of our tracks is the fan can bring in the cooler

with the beer and the snacks and not have to spend a freaking fortune of the concession saying, but here's what we need to do on that model. Do what the Atlanta Falcons did. Take the prices down. Dang. Yeah. If you go to Eldora. I don't know if you ever have been out.

Aldora. But they sell a deal where it's like you get a 12 pack in a cooler on ice for like $24 or something like that. It's ridiculous. Like Martinsville. Like Martinsville Hot Dog, $2. I mean, that's

how it should be. Yeah, Martinsville, some tracks really get it, but yeah, at the end of the race, some of them people I saw on the stands at Talladega, they had bought a $50 beer at the end of their race and it wasn't going to matter. But maybe some will be in reaction to it.

I wonder if they increase the price based off how drunk you look. Like, hey, you've had a few. At that time, I only had one, so it definitely wasn't. You know what sound at Talladega? Did you take your shirt off during race? No. You didn't? I know what sound I like at Talladega is when they're coming to the green flag,

you can hear when everybody stands up because you hear all the seats flip up, and it's like something, you'll hear it from now long since you're thinking, you won't recognize it, you'll know it, but now you're going to be like, oh, wow, it's really happening now. It's scary if you hear that during the Green Flag Run because you're like, well, what did they just see that I don't see? Yeah, or if you're not looking away and you hear you go, oh, God, where's it at? It was definitely good, though, getting back to jab, like all the emotion. Like, even, like, we talked to Nicole from Nutrient and she was crying.

She's crying. Everybody was crying. My boy, I felt bad that I wasn't crying. Should I have been crying? No, we should have been crying. I'll just check. I'm not fine, you're crying. I got to give a shout out for how much room we had on the roof at Talladega.

I'm glad they built as a brand new spotter stand that could fit 30 spotters. Yeah, man, I thought we were good down there. You didn't have enough room, Freddie? I mean, it's a little snub. Well, I tried to get out of your way. So, I mean, I tried to make everyone have a little more room. One less person. Speaking of Jed Burton, looks like he's calling in.

All right, surprise guest today. We didn't have him scheduled to be on the show, but he decided to have maybe the performance of his lifetime. First-time Xfinity Series winner. Jeff Burton's in the house. What's up, dog? Doing good, man. Thank you all for having me on here. I just got to Kyle Grayson and bought the whole organization breakfast

because they deserve it. So just man, still living the dream. Has it set in yet? Because I feel like on Saturday with some of the videos that I saw like it was almost like it was real but almost like it maybe wasn't real. Has it said in that you are a freaking

winner? Yeah, it has now. You know, at first, when they told me I won. I was just trying to sink it all in. Normally when you win, you have a cool down lap, and you can kind of be by yourself for a couple minutes and do a burnout and stuff. And I just need it.

I wanted to pull away and have my moment. And that's when it started to sink in. And man, when my dad called me in Victory Lane, I couldn't talk to him for a minute. I just held the phone because I was crying. Y'all are crying as a bunch of people I've ever been around. And we show our emotion, that's for sure. It just, man, it means so much.

Brett, you help make all this happen, man. It's just awesome. I'll tell you what was cool for me. I don't know if you guys were watching a lot on Twitter, but there was a ton of industry love. And it went back to like Wars Generation, Kyle Petty, Michael Waldrop, just a lot of industry celebrity love, man. What did that feel like?

Man, it feels great because I think, you know, know, it definitely hasn't been easy, and I think people respect, you know, me working hard and trying to make it happen. And, you know, all those guys are my peers and just means a lot that a lot of different people from Jimmy Johnson to Dale, Jr. I mean, a bunch of different people reached out to me and just means a lot because I look up for those guys. Yeah, Freddie's obviously been a big part of your season as well. I was looking at some statistics last night. And you guys have completed all but one lap this season. half of your races have been top five, 75% of the races, top 10, average finish of 8.2,

you're sitting fourth into standings. I know how hard you worked to get to this point, but did you think this early on, you would be sitting on a win, sitting this high in the standings, locked into the playoff, just all the good things that are happening for you? Yeah, man, the timing couldn't be better, right? I had Martin'sville circle to try to get it done. and that didn't go as planned. But I got a great race team, Brett and Bruce and Chris Rice and Matt Kyle, like everybody here.

They gave me the tools. I've done the simulator more this year than I have the last three. So I'm the best. I have been prepared. Just awesome. And I feel like we're just hitting our strive. I feel like I'm going to continue to get better as a driver. Some of these racetracks hadn't been to in a long time.

And, you know, to be honest, I feel like I've been the weekly. week link a little bit on our race team and I need to be better and this weekend was a step in the right direction. Hey, I'm not talking to Jeb, Brett, because now I got to listen to your mouth because he won with you and not me, but if you could just tell him, I said he did a good job, I would appreciate that. Did you know? Freddy got picked on a lot, Jeb. Freddy got picked on an exponential amount on the roof yesterday. Essentially that they brought in a restricter plate specialist to get the win while Freddie sat in the grandstands drinking beer.

I know. Freddie, you said that if I won the race, you would be naked in this stand and you were nowhere to be found. I stopped. I told you. It was raining too hard. I'm sorry. I apologize. If it wasn't raining, I would have been

there. Good job, Anna. I'm proud of you. We'll get four or five more here before we're done. I want to know. Who do you like having as your spot or more Brett or Freddie? They're totally different on the radio. I enjoy having them both do it. And Brett does a hell of a job on the restrictor plate side of things.

But me and Freddie are going to get one. Don't worry, but we're going to get it. We've got to get two now. Do you not tense up because whenever I had the arc race and I'm sitting down to listen to the Xfinity race and I'm flipping around and you're leading, so I flip over and listen, and I was nervous listening. to Brett, spot for you.

And then the yellow comes out. And then I think, I don't know if it was on Channel 1 or 2, but Brett comes on and he was like, damn, he about made me my pants. And I'm like, I was about to do the same thing because I'm here in middle, middle, middle, top, top, dot, dot, like. I'm like, oh, my gosh. Like, he, like, I was nervous, like, listening.

I wasn't nervous at all until Jeb went late. And I was like, whoa, this is going to be big. But I tell you what, man. And they look, certainly enjoyed working with our teammates. over the weekend, but there was a time where I felt like Justin Haley just completely bailed on us. There was another time when I think it was circumstantial that AJ had to go around their outside. I think he was pretty jacked up.

But working with a two car all day really worked out well for us. And I mean, that's what you're looking for, man, is dancing partners and people you can work well with. And I think you've got to know kind of who's going to be around a long time when you start forming those relationships. So nobody's done it better in college racing. The last three races of Talladega, that's three in a row. A huge win for Jeb there, man.

And heck, I had a blast, man. I mean, you get to come out. The weird thing for me was I was there this weekend because I wanted to be there. It wasn't a job that I had to go do all season like the last eight or nine years of my life. So it was a lot of fun. And I have to tell you this, Jeb, I celebrated your win on Friday night because I thought it was going to rain all day on Saturday. So my Saturday celebrations were a little more tame than they normally would have been, Freddie. Yeah, no kidding.

My favorite part of the whole evening was our phone call with Ward on the way back from dinner. you could just hear in his voice how proud he was and just so complimentary of everybody's help for you and stuff. So that was probably my favorite part of the night. Just hearing him how proud he was of you that night. Hearing him anytime is my favorite. It doesn't matter what he's talking about. Just listen to tell anything.

He could read Old Yeller and I'd sit there and listen to it. So I got to tell you the story. So Noah Gregson gets on our plane last night leaving after the cup race and he's got this $100,000 dash for cash check. And I said, you better be glad that Freddie and Jeb sucked at Margeville or we'd have that $100,000 check. Well, we're going to go, we're going to go get the damn thing at Darlington. So that's the plan there.

But man, my mom sent me a pitcher yesterday of dad sleeping on the couch. She said Ward Zero, Alcohol 1. I love it, man. I tell you, my favorite part of your social media was when you said, we're getting ready to drink some beer. And at 4 a.m., Jeb is still sending me text. So I'm proud of you for staying up late, celebrating. Man, I felt like I was going to throw up for about three hours last night.

I'm done drinking for a little bit. Hey, man, thanks for jumping on here. We're happy for you. Obviously, big win for L.S. tractors on the car, Neutonac Solutions, all your partners. And, hey, you and Freddie go win one, will you? Yes, sir. We got win, too, now. Yeah, I was going to say, just wait until Daytona, I guess.

I mean, we go back to Daytona, I guess you can win another one. Hey, man, I'm proud of you, too, man. you put this deal together and you're full time and making it happen, man. It's fun watching guys like you put the work in and get deals like this and succeed. Thank you. I really appreciate the support. And Brett, man, thank you again for everything you believed in me a couple months ago and put all this together. And it just means a lot, buddy.

Yeah, sounds good, brother. Give Bruce a big hug for me. I really enjoy working with Bruce Schlicker. I got to say, a very, very level-headed guy, doesn't show a lot of emotion on the radio, like really fun to work with it. I think you guys going to do a lot of good things this year, man. A lot of big races coming up. So, hey, you got two weeks to celebrate, man.

You don't have to do anything this weekend and we have to do at the racetrack. I know, I know. I'm not going to drink anything but some water today. Hey, these are the best weeks to win on because now you get to celebrate it for another extra week. So good job on that too. Enjoy it. Yes, sir. Thank you all again.

All right, man. See you, brother. See you, man. See you later. Spot on, spot off. Jennifer Joe Copp was denied cup race eligibility and said this. She said this in an article over the weekend. All I'm asking is to be evaluated the same way 40 male drivers competing this Sunday were evaluated in their approval process.

There are many examples of drivers that are racing with less experience and less performance than I have shown. Brett, spot on, spot off. Had she run a cup race before? No, this would be her first start. Because I thought I saw on Twitter where somebody said she did. I was like, man, I don't ever remember that happening. I think, and I don't expect everybody to agree with me here, I think if Jennifer Joe Cobb wanted to make her cup debut in a competitive car, I would have been on board with that. But when I look at how poorly the Rick Ware cars perform and how poorly she has performed in subpar equipment, such as the truck that she runs, I think it's a recipe for disaster.

So I personally The approval process is really hard to understand, TJ And you'll see guys get approved And not understand how in the world it happened And you'll see people You know, get turned down Like our buddy Tyler Green, who is a spotter He tried to run a race, they turned him down

I think it was a K&N ride he was trying to do Completely didn't understand that That was a Brett Bowdyne move back in the day But to me, this wasn't going to end well For either party So I almost think they did maybe the whole series of favor. I mean, when you look at Rick Ware Racing,

they've run every single race. Colleg Racing has run three races, and we're ahead of every single one of them in the points. So I don't know what, I don't know how much money she was bringing in. I don't know what the circumstances are, but I don't have a problem with them denying her here. Yeah, I don't.

I don't think it's a male-female thing. No, I don't either. 100% not. It's hard for me to say that somebody, you know, that just runs around near the back of a, the truck series mainly just should be in a cup race at that point. I don't know, and it probably doesn't help coming off a race where there was some incidents that brought out yellows that you were, you were called to the hauler for.

I don't know, like, it's just probably not a good time for that, you know, and I don't have an issue. I mean, I haven't had any issues whether they're in the truck series at all, or I think she I would like to see her getting something more competitive just before you make the next step up getting something a little more competitive and show that you can race there. But I mean, I've had zero issues with her and, you know, being around her and stuff like that. So I don't feel like it's what she's saying it is. I don't know. For one, like TJ said, I'm not, NASCAR claims they made this decision before Richmond.

I'm not buying that. I think that was the straw that broke the count. camel's back on, you know, going out there and intentionally, intentionally reconciled. And then Monday morning, they decide to announce that she's not approved. But good job, good job by the team for announcing that she was going to do it without NASCAR approval. That was brilliant PR, by the way. Taking that all aside, there is a precedence here.

James Davidson was not permitted to make his debut at Talladega. Yeah, he got declined. Two years ago, when he wanted to make his debut at Talladega, they said, no, you have to run somewhere else first before we're going to approve you for a supernova. Super Speedway. So you can call it male, female thing, whatever you want.

They just did this to James Davidson within the last couple years. So there's a precedent there. And if you go back and look... James actually remained competitive in Xfinity cars at times as well. And her, I mean,

not for nothing. Her average finish in a truck is 25 something. 25.4. And then Xfinity cars like 32 something, right? She has 217 Camping World Truck Series starts. Want to guess how many top tens? One.

One. like Talladega Daytona same thing it's you know and it's fine I mean a lot of people

have their best finish from them but you know so you can't be totally surprised if you can't run in the top 20 regularly

or at least a little bit in the series that you've been racing in for 217 starts that you're not going to get approved but I think if she's 47 years old

I would love to see her do well I would love to see her get a shot I'd like to get something competitive and run good. When I was younger, I was mesmerized by Sean Robinson. Yeah. And obviously pulled for Danica Patrick, wanted to see her do well. I mean, I was mesmerized by Sarah Fisher and IndyCar. She's got enough experience.

I'd like to see her getting something decent and run. I mean, I really would. I mean, instead of getting in whatever you're getting in, take all your money and do one fun race. Do Ryan Priestiel, run five races instead of the whole schedule, but getting something competitive. it's just you know it first of all they literally just did this with somebody else so you can't complain about it but yeah it's not it's a hundred percent was i in my mind you're never going to convince me differently it was because she intentionally recognized nor benning at richmond with this package someone that hasn't been in this package like that like it it's just not it's not safe either like anybody this isn't the traditional one that

like we're i was talking earlier that we're used to this is this is uh And James Davidson probably wouldn't have been ready to be in that pack either and pushing guys. He's not ready for that. And this is a different animal. This is a different animal than going to – If you were to tell me she was going to run Martinsville, I'd say she might have a good shot at getting approved.

But you're going to Talladega. And, I mean – I think if it was anywhere – We were upside down. Yeah. I think if it's anywhere but a Super Speedway, and she doesn't have that incident with Norman, she's approved.

Because they've pretty much shown they're going to approve just about anybody. But if Casey decides that she's going to go run a truck race, Casey's going to go ask, can she run a truck race? So who, do we even know this happened if the team doesn't make their first error, which was Jennifer Joe Cobb is going to run a cup race? Oh, wait, she can't. She's not allowed.

Would any of us have known about this? No. No. No. I mean, maybe inside the sport. you would have heard, oh, Jennifer Joe was supposed to run a Rick Ware car. So now Jennifer's got egg on her face. The team has egg on their face, and they have to respond, right?

So somebody screwed up. Yeah. On it. That's the problem here. You and I would have never known that Jennifer Joe Cobb got turned down. Because when Tyler Green got turned down, there wasn't a press release out there saying, Tyler Green, not allowed to run a K&N race. Spot on, spot off, Chad Ochosinko's tweet during the cup race.

It has since been deleted, but he said, my effing, goodness, is there a broadcast slash network I can watch? Sorry, Fing. Is there a broadcast slash network I can watch the NASCAR Cup series commercial free? It's hard to get a feel for each driver's strategic maneuvers if you're going to commercial every 10 laps. Chad Ochosinko is watching this race. I agree. That's telling Bradman ago, I met Chad in Brad's bus at Talladega a handful years ago and talked about how he'd lose. and madden to me, just like Brad does. So, but dang, I mean, for Chad Ojo Sinko to be tweeting this.

Like, I think it's cool he's getting involved looking at driver's strategic. Like, that's, I saw, some solid tweets. And he was tweeting at certain drivers, like directly to drivers. I saw his tweet, I think Jason retweeted it on Saturday, complaining that he was, you know, he was cheering for Hemrick and they went to commercial and came back and Hemrick was gone. You know, like, what happened? And I don't understand, Brett, maybe you can help me. with this. Like, what is the value change for a full screen ad versus a side-by-side ad with the race?

It changes it for sure. But my bigger problem here is this is why we do stage racing. It's for this very reason. This is why you go to... This is when you go to commercial. It's under yellows because you know yellows are coming. We're at a plate track. This is arguably your most exciting race of the year. And last thing I want is people saying it's at commercial too much. And Chad Ochsenko was not the only one. My phone after the race had a lot of text messages saying, hey, you're at commercial too much. You know, so I don't know how you fix this problem. The network wants to recoup their investment.

They're paying hundreds of millions of dollars to cover NASCAR. Obviously, you want to sell ads. People want to buy ads at these races because they're exciting. They know people are watching. It's a tricky, tricky formula. But to your point, we never go to commercial in a football game and miss three plays. No. We never go to commercial in a baseball game and miss a home run.

The Formula One race is commercial free for whatever it is, an hour and a half, two hours. You know, there's no – and the thing that I think that probably frustrates some fans is you've got the ability, because you do it a couple of times throughout the program. They show the side-by-side with us racing and an ad. So I saw it – and it was Toyota commercial was playing, and it was, you know, while there's still a box of the action, obviously you can't hear it all audio, but you can at least see what's going on. but then like every other one is a full screen ad. So now it's like, well, why don't they just do that all the time? Obviously there's value changes. But, you know, like you said, stage breaks, you know we're going to have yellows at the plate races.

Run your full screen commercials under yellow. And then when we come back, you know, if we're under green, do the side by side. I don't understand why you can't do that every time. But I'm sure there's a reason. Somebody's smarter than me knows why. If you look, TJ, is there anything laying over there in turn two? Some shiny tower. Tim for put it out.

We'll be right back. We're going for a quick commercial break. Look that chubby dude in the background. It's my neighbor. He's my favorite person right now because he gets to drive our trailer. I know. You know who got him hooked up with you? Yep, you.

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If it's both, then it's literally an equal tie. But coming off of his Cup Series debut, you, Mr. Harrison Burton's in the house. Hey, what's going on, man? What you've been doing all day? We tried to get you to come on this morning and record with us, and you may just come back in here this afternoon because your schedule's so crazy. The good folks at Joe Gibbs Racing, they like to make me work for it.

So that's a good thing. And I've been in a simulator all day, so I can't tell what's real and what's fake anymore, man. I've been in there for six hours. I was driving home. I didn't know if I was in a simulation or what was going on. We actually talked about here earlier. We were talking about Bubba and Denny, and Danny made the analogy of, you know,

if you're at a team where you've got five identical race cars and you're at, you know, what do you guys? You got three full-time Xfinity, you know, if you're not working as hard or harder than the other two, you're never going to beat them. So, you know, it's probably not ideal to spend all day in a simulator. But, you know, it's part of the job, man. You got to do the work, right?

Absolutely. That's stuff that if I didn't do, I'd stay awake at night, you know, worried about, right? That feeling of I have to be working to be better than my teammates than my competitors. I have to be the best. I think that's what separates the guys that are great, the guys that are good is that work ethic and ability to look at themselves and be better, you know, by self-examination and trying to be better. And yeah, man, he's absolutely right about that.

This is a doggy dog sport. And the one thing that you can control is how much effort you put in. And that's what I try and do. So, I mean, speaking to that, you were in the simulator for that long. Are you running one track, two tracks? What all are you working on? Yeah, we ran a few tracks. So I start the mornings of the session.

I normally work on, you know, mostly working on trying to make the simulator more accurate. I try and scale the tires and do all kinds of things trying to get that better. And then the second half of the day is spent with, you know, my crew chief and my, my engineer trying to work on our setups. So, you know, I was working on Darlington and Martinsville and, you know, trying to make those better for the scalings. And then I did Martinsville and Cota for me and my team. So trying to get better. You know, we have an off weekend this weekend. So the work doesn't stop.

It's a good opportunity to kind of knock some that stuff out. You were touching on two things right there that kind of came to mind for me. Obviously, and we talked about on this show today, the difference between Dale Earnhardt and Jimmy Johnson and now Denny Hamlin is very different because each generation had different resources. Obviously, your dad's a very big part of your career. He didn't have any of these things. So he's not able to help you on this SMT data, and he's not able to help you on all this SIM stuff. So how do you rely on him, obviously, on the mental side, but how can he even really help you in today's world?

And I'm not discounting Jeff Burton's ability to help you. It's just, it's completely different. And he's really not been out of the race car that long. Man, it is different. And what makes it different is the technology like you spoke to. But what stays the same is the amount of work that it needs to be put in, right? So when my dad was at his prime, what made him, what made him better than others was his ability to, hey, this car needs, you know, this in the right rear rear here, this needs bigger sway or whatever, right? He could go through the whole car and say, this is what this car needs because this is how it's handling.

Now, and at the end of his career, he couldn't do that as well as the engineers and the crew chiefs around him, right? because those guys are their super geniuses. The crew chiefs and engineers and all the crew guys that work on these things on the highest level are so good that it makes, you know, drivers like me with a redneck education in racing obsolete, right? So now the driver is only a driver. My job is to be the best Harrison Burton I can be when I show up to the racetrack to maximize. what they do. And what he helps me with is understanding that because he kind of caught the tail into that, but also understanding how much work it needs to be.

I mean, you know, there's, you know, I ran the extremity race. I went to the hotel and I worked out after the extremity race and ran the cup race and getting ready to go work out today after doing this. I mean, it's crazy, man. I don't stop. None of us stop. And that's what makes it so awesome. It's a competitive sport, and if you're not working, you're going to get beat.

We talk about all the time all here, Toyota, and how much they do for this sport, how much they do for drivers, how much they do in driver development, how they're investing in areas that other OEMs in our sport are not. We've never had a guy like you come on this show and ask this question. What all resources does Toyota actually bring to the table for you? Because it seems like they're almost, and just literally anything and everything. that's a man it's become there that way um you know when i started working with them i was 13 i was racing late models and it wasn't quite what it is now and now it's i mean simulator uh there's a full-time you know world-class gym and cornelius that i go to every day of the week uh with full-time trainers full-time video sound people full-time nutritionists like man it is

crazy right And that's a whole separate deal just for the drivers, not for car performance, right? So they have obviously massive investments in making the cars faster, but now they're getting massive, massive investments into making us faster because they've kind of seen it like I have disconnect, right? Where the cars are here and the drivers are here and you're both working towards the same goal, but you're working on different things at the same time. and man it is crazy it is really i mean shoot i got in a fight um and they hired a full-time mma guy to teach me out of fight literally like the next day i walk in the gym and there's a guy it's going to teach me how to fight and i'm okay um i do that once a week now so so what you're saying is nobody better step up anymore now you're ready to go down no no i wouldn't

recommend that no i saw my favorite part of the the noah Daniel situation was the fist bump on the way out for Daniel. That was the highlight of that interchange there for me. Yeah. Yeah. I got a lot of flack for that that I didn't expect to get. But here's something that I will say. Something that I know it did that gave, I gained a lot of respect back from it.

So I announced my cup deal, right? and the first person who text me congratulations and is giving me pointers off of his cup car was Noah Gregson. So I thought that was pretty neat. I was pretty shocked by that. Man, I didn't talk to, we and him used to be really good buddies, and I haven't talked to him much since we fought. And then, man, the first person that shoots me to text is Noah Gregson. I thought that was kind of neat. Well, I had told him about your MMA classes.

Oh, there you go. Now, that makes sense now. So you talk about the cup deal. How had it go yesterday? You know, it was fun. It was a eye-opening experience. It was a crazy deal, right? I've never not a very emotional guy other than, I guess, when I'm angry or happy.

I've never been the most sentimental guy in the world, you know, gets caught up in the moment. But when I was, after the national anthem and the jets fly over and there's, you know, a bunch of fans in the stands cheering and we're about to go cup racing. And that was a pretty cool moment for me to sit there and think, man, I'm really about to race with these guys and really about to do this. And yeah, that was something I'll never forget. Just a really cool feeling that someone thought highly enough of me as a driver to put me in a cup car was pretty cool. So, yeah, it was a fun race. It was a crazy race. I had track position at times.

I didn't at other times. Coming to last restart, I had restarted to 8th. Didn't finish there where we should have, but I learned a lot. And if I ever get the chance to do it again, I think I'll be better from it. Talk to me about that last restart because me and Brett were talking about that at lunch, waiting for you to get done with all you got to do. But, you know, we noticed, I didn't know if it was planned. I've seen you pull up and, you know, to the top lane and then Bell kind of picked you up.

And I didn't know if that was that was a plan or if that was just a move gone wrong. You know, take us to that last restart. So, yeah, so we kind of had a plan with who was behind me, not even a Toyota guy, the 41. We had a plan to try and go to the top, to try and, you know, I would be the leading one car on the very outside lane. as soon as we left the restart zone, I was like, that sounds good to me. And so I jumped up there and Busher blocked it perfectly. And once he did, then I was top of three or four wide and just kind of, you know, lost on my momentum. And I guess Bell and Briscoll and a few other guys jumped up because they still thought that top lane could have rolled.

And we just never got it back going good enough again to get to the lead. But yeah, I was planning on trying to go top of three or four wide. or whatever and be the leader of that lane and then Bushers thought otherwise and did a good job. Those plans are always amazing when the restarts. And then once we go green,

everything changes. Yes, it always sounds great when you're going around a precaution. Yeah, let's do that. We're going to go win this thing. And then soon as they drop the rag, something different happens, right? I think Mike Tyson said it best.

I go into the ring with this great plan and then all of a sudden I get punched in the mouth and the whole thing changes. That's absolutely right. Tell me, man, you won four races last year in Xfinity. You're obviously ready for the Cup series. I know that's your long-term goal.

Tell me what you learned yesterday racing against those guys that you've never seen an Xeniton Xfinity series. What were the differences? The differences, you know, aside from the package differences, which is obviously massive with a huge spoiler, huge runs, a lot of chaos from that, was no one really makes big mistakes, right?

In Xfinity and trucks, the biggest thing you can do is capitalize on the big mistakes people make, you know, and leaving you a hole open and doing things like that. You can get track position a little bit easier. In Cup, it's like if you don't have the track position, even at Talladega, it is hard to get it, man. I spent a lot of time trying to just move through the field and try and get that track position that I had at the end of the race, which wasn't even that great.

I was eighth, you know, I wasn't like I was top five. I was, you know, grinding the whole race to get out there and didn't even get that far. So, yeah, it's just there's not a lot of mistakes to happen. The margin for error is smaller because everyone expects there for not to be those mistakes to happen. So the moves are a little more aggressive and things happen just so fast. So, you know, hopefully what I want to have happen now is when I step back with Joe Gids Racing in the enemy series, can hopefully have everything kind of slowed down and I can make better decisions. But I'll let you know if that comes to course or not.

When's your next cup start? You know your next cup start yet? I don't know yet. I don't know if I'll have another one this year. I don't know if I'll have 10 this year. I have no idea. I hope I can run as many as I can just because I think it'll make me a better driver. But obviously my main focus is in the Xfinity series.

So I have nothing else planned at the moment. And if it stays that way, I'll be just fine with that because I can focus on my main goal, which is to win the extended series championship and beat my cousin Jeff who just won. And yeah, that's really the main thing for me right now is focusing on that. And if other cup opportunities present themselves, I'll have to think about if it's right for me and then go and do it. I think it's awesome, man, to have two Burtons in the same series again. I mean, I grew up in college, man, watching the Burtons race. and now I'm getting to work with Bo Burton's super cool deal, man.

I think more needs to be done and invested as far as the sport goes into making that part of the story, because it's a hell of a good story. But Freddie and I were at lunch, and we were talking about an offer pad, and I started texting your dad because I said, hey, I need some good stuff on Harrison, right? Oh, no. And speaking to Jeff and Harrison, he said that he's about ready to kick you out of the house. And I was like, well, Freddie, I think if he does that, we'd be able to get Harrison to buy a house using OfferPad.

And then Freddie said, well, the problem is if he kicks Harrison out, then Kim's going to kick Jeff out. And I was like, well, now we can sell two houses with OfferPad. And then Freddie even had a better idea. He said, and then after she kicks Jeff out after Kim, you know, puts Jeff's ass out on a curb, then she's going to need a smaller house because everybody else is gone. So now we get to sell her house and she buy another one. So we figured out a way at lunch to do four transactions with Offerpad.

Hey, if that's what keeps offer pad in the sport doing the great things that they're doing, count me in. I'm in for it. I hope my parents still will not keep each other out of that houses. But, you know, the sponsorship opportunity is definitely there. So I'll give you that. Hey, man, I just wanted to ask you before we go, obviously spotter podcast, we're all spotters on here. Well, TJ's not here, but.

He wasn't there yesterday either. Yeah, not for long anyway. We get asked all the time about how drivers pick spotters. And I know you made a spotter change this year, and one of the guys left the Gibbs organization, so you had to bring a new guy in, and you brought in Tyler Green, who's got a ton of experience, really good spotter.

Just talk to us about what went into the process, making a decision on not making the change, but who are you going to go with? Well, I listened to all you guys on Toyota had another resource where I could listen to races that happened in the past and go through and listen to people's audio. And I was listening to Spotter Audio and learning a lot from that, learning who was good, learning who was, you know,

was going to match with my lingo. And I made a short list of guys that I wanted and reached out to all of them and had conversations with all of them. And at the end of the day, Tyler was the guy that I thought was, you know, the best suited to spot for me. And so far, it's been a great, a great move. He's been awesome. He's done a phenomenal job. As you guys know, he's really dedicated to being good at his job and working as hard as I do to be a good race car driver. He works that hard to be a good spotter. And, you know, he's just, he's got a similar mindset to things that I do. So it's been great.

You know, the spotter is something that gets talked about some, right? And it gets hit on some. along with the crew chief and the road crew and everyone on that that is in tail with that. But people don't really realize how much. I know it's a spotter podcast, so I'm not just coming on here just to, you know, make you guys feel good. We don't have a problem of that. Well, yeah. So either way, people don't understand how important it is to have that instant communication, that the ability to understand instantly what someone means, what someone is asking of you.

and have an honest relationship where they can say, hey, man, you're doing this not right, and you need to fix it. And I can say the same thing to him. And it's been that way for the whole year so far. It's been awesome. And it's been something hopefully I can build on and work with them again in the future. Cool. Well, before you jump, I got to ask you, because I don't know this story,

but I was told by your dad to ask you about a bee stinging you on your lip. Can you tell us what he's referring to? So this is my. my weight model days, right? And so nowadays, I don't know what I would have done, but this is a bad deal. So I had a slice of pizza, right? And I was taking a buy of this pizza, and I guess there was a wasp on the bottom of the pizza. And when I bit, I bit into the wasp pretty much.

And he stung me right on the lip. And, man, I'm telling you, my lips was so strong. swollen. I couldn't talk. And it was rubbing the front of my helmet. And I race, right? And I win the race and I get out Victor Lane and I'm like, you know, look like that. And it was good luck. So whenever there's a bee around me before the race starts, I'm like chasing that thing down, begging it to stay in. Like I need to get sung by this bee right now so I can win today. When are you going to blow the dust off that lake model? I wish I had some to blow the dust off of. But all of them? Yeah, they're all up north with my old crew chief, Chris Wimmer. He's been racing

with them and running with them with some guys, like up-and-comer guys like Jesse Love has been running pretty good in it. And yeah, I need to get back up there and do it. It's been too long since I've driven one. That was probably some of the most fun years of my life was racing superers around the country and with that group of people that that I've worked with around those years. It was a lot of fun and that was that was racing at its finest for me. It was so cool. Speaking of fun, Dave with Offerpad, I was just on a conference call with him. We got a commercial.

We'll break some news right here. We've got a commercial coming out with you and Denny Hamlin. We're filming this week here in Moorsville, North Carolina. But Dave was bummed. It started raining obviously in Talladega this past weekend, but he was super pumped with how you were up front all day, had to offer Pad Colors up front. without offer padman we wouldn't be doing this podcast and a big fan of the view carrying their colors and wearing them proud and looking forward to seeing you run three more races this year with

them yeah it's uh it's been awesome i've already worked with those guys some obviously you know starting this year off and and it's been amazing um you know it's it's an honor to run their colors they take it really seriously obviously with their investments in in naskar it's huge for our sport um and for them to make a splash with the cup and exfinity series like they did and now we're doing a commercial and doing all this crazy awesome stuff. It's pretty neat to get to be a part of that. And yeah, I hope we can do them proud and get them in Victor Lane. I thought we had a good shot at Talldega and we'll try again sometime soon.

Any throwback for Harrison Burton at Darlington? There will be a throwback. All right. To be honest with you, I haven't seen it yet. Oh. So what I did, so Donald Edwards is in this call. He's my contact with everything of that sort, right? I sent him four of my dad's old paint schemes, and I said, you guys do what you will,

and those are my top four that I want to run one day. Because I couldn't decide. I have so many favorites that I want to run my dad. So it'll be of my dad's car, and I don't know what it is quite yet, but we'll see. That's awesome, man. We'll enjoy your weekend off and good luck at Darlington. Yeah, absolutely. Thanks for having me on.

It's been a blast. Time for Reaction Theater. Look, I'm a little bit of a chunky feller. I just got to say, Joey Lugano calling out aggressive blocking and aggressive racing is like me calling out someone for eating a double cheeseburger. By the way, TJ, you suck. Favorite outro. I don't think this is different, just to comment on this really quick, it's different. When someone gets upside down, whether it's your car, my car, anybody, it doesn't matter.

instantly goes from being competitive to, man, is that guy okay? Like, it's different in that aspect. Like, you can sit there on your couch and say, yeah, this is great all day for the fans. But when you have a part of your family out there and we're all traveling family, I mean, if Bubba gets upside out, I mean, we're all wearing you. I see okay, man, is he all right? Because we're concerned. Definitely saw that brotherhood yesterday. You're definitely concerned. No matter who it is, like you're concerned about what's going on with that guy. Like, you're worried.

When Newman read the Daytona, dude, we were all white in the face, speechless. Like, we were for two hours. A few days, honestly, not even knowing. Yeah. And you, until you feel that feeling, you're going to, I realize you're just enjoying the race on your couch,

but until you have that feeling when it's your guy out there, someone that you know or something, you'll probably change your opinion. Man, Quinn, how fuck you, you stupid piece of shit? I was hoping for a 20-lab dash to the finish there with no fucking Cautions because NASCAR is badass without the stupid green white checker bullsh-sh- I know we got 15 laps to go but still. Cautions breed cautions.

You know how that shit goes, man. I just want speed from start to mother fucking finish. But Quinn Hough, you dumbass can't drive. The pack's coming up on your ass. You just f***ed it in the wall like a dumb fuck. Can we please not beat that guy out this one time? Just let that guy who sounds like a surfer, which I think is cool. Can we just let that just play, Jason?

That was awesome. Just forget to bleep it out. We'll cover you with Mike. That guy's hilarious. That was pretty funny. Hey, guys. I'm calling you from the track at Talladega, and I want to say I had a great race because I got to see Joey Lugano flip around and round.

They have a terrible finish, so fuck you, Ligano, and fuck you, T.J. But great job, Brett Griffin yesterday on your win with Jeb Burton. Awesome job. That's really nice, lady. I'm glad she had fun, though. Holy cow. That was a little bit rough. Yeah, that's a little harsh.

I mean, I don't think I've ever said I was glad somebody flipped over and, yeah, she'll get hers. Man, I'm pretty sure all them emotions that Jeb had after this win today wasn't because it was his first win. It was because that Brett Griffin was going to try to take full credit for it. And, T.J., you don't suck, man. You spotted it for my boy. That guy just ruined it. I was waiting for him. Block him.

Yeah. Appreciate it, though. Jeremy. Now, listen, I'm tired of all the hate on T.J. Now, Ligano is a douche. But ever since I started using T.J. Major spotter pack on eye racing and racing people like a d-b-a-d. My eye rings up 500 points. Hell, I even start cock-blocking my buddies at the bar.

Now, I get all the ass myself. Thanks, T.J. You know, uh, fire. You're allowed to add spotters and, you know, during the weeknight sometimes, I'm available. So you want to work out a deal, man. You want to raise your eye reading a little more. Just shoot me a DM. They're on fire this week.

So polite. I finally got anchored a load. If you listen real close, T.J., your fucking car is not in it. Bubba Wallace on stage two. You, T.J. Majors. And, fuck. Joe Ilugano. Bubba Wals is going to go.

everybody. I'm drunk as a fucking star finish line. What do you say about start finish line? I'm drunk drunk.

Drunk is drunk A.F. I'm so getting anything to load at the track becomes damn near impossible there. It was tough.

Maybe can Talladega please put in some Wi-Fi because service there is really well. Yeah, we want to make sure that guy get on anchor again.

Yeah. People this week is a sweet guy. I mean, this just shows Taledaga in general. Our Kristen and Jeremy married

or Justin married. I mean, they might be. Did you get a hanker to road, honey? I think that guy tweeted at me yesterday that he was trying to start, he was at the start, finish line trying to get his phone to load so he could say something. Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah, good job.

DBC people! Joey, wrecked again. That is okay. Now let's begin. Party on DBC. Let me hear some noise. He's in the house. Jump, jump, jump, Mike Joy.

There's a big one over here. There's a big one over there. Joey in the air. Rec like where? These three words miss DBC now. Ooh, TJ sucks. Woo, TJ sucks. Who, TJ sucks.

Who, TJ sucks. Freddy, day's great. Is that a kid? Denny's great? Yeah, that's pretty good. That was a good one. Good job, Joe. Yeah, good job, Joe.

There are two people that love TJ, and there were five people that would piss on him if he was on fire. Kristen, I'm not even going to be mean. Kristen, I hope you're having a wonderful day. I hope you enjoyed the race, and I hope everything's wonderful. Sounds to be like she enjoyed it. Definitely seven big Christians calling us this week. Appreciate you guys for all love.

Oh, my goodness. You know, reaction theater. You don't all have to be d***. Some of you can be nice. No, no. We can have, like, good reactions. No. I want some, like, have a great day.

Nope. Keep them to yourself. We've had a couple of them. Can we have some more like Brett sucks? Because honestly, I think it's. Jason does. She wins and finish his fifth. I'm convinced.

Wead these out. So Jason picks what he wants here. I'm convinced that Brett tells Jason that he should only include the ones that say T.J. sucks. That's exactly what my text thread looks like to Jason. Jason, how many calls do we get a week? It was probably like 50 this week. It's a lot.

Can we start like getting them in the video? I want to hear all of them. Where's the positive stuff, Jason? I don't know. Keep it out, Jason. I'm positive. They hate you. We don't need any of that positivity around here.

Well, now they're just doing it for the attention because they know Jason's going to put it in a show. There are worst ones I don't play. I don't know, TJ. Those f-you sounded pretty authentic. The only person that I've ever not respected on Carlins is going to be Kristen so far. So I don't mind the other ones that enjoy it. At the end of the year, we need to pick all the same ones.

When you root for a guy to go upside down and cheer when they do, you, never mind. I honestly think, TJ, I get your point and I'm with you. I stand with you arm and arm in this. but because we haven't had a bad one. I hate to say that. Somebody hasn't got hurt bad. People have become immune to what can really happen. And Ryan Newman is a fing miracle.

Dude, my favorite picture of the last 15 years is Ryan Newman walking out of that place holding his daughter's hands. And you know, I don't think you remembers it, but it is absolutely one of my favorite memories too. But I think because he walked out of the hospital and thank God he did. Everyone's going to be okay. I think we're just immune to, I mean, Elliot took a little bit. a 60G hit at Pocono. You're talking about getting worried when you see your guy wreck.

I thought he was dead. That's the worst feeling that you could have. Clint took a hit at Kansas. I thought he was dead. I'm not immune to how dangerous this is, but I think our fans, and it's not their fault. I think they're immune to how dangerous this still is.

But I mean, how bad is that woman going to feel when some... I mean, Joy O'Gano is still a guy's son. He still got a wife and kids. Like, I think they just some... I don't think they're worried. about it anymore. I mean, our sport's been very safe, but we are going 200 mile an hour and things can happen. Yeah. Yeah. To leave an audio message 24-7, go to anchor.fm., backslash, door bumper clear, and click the message icon. We will play the best ones each week on the show,

maybe some good ones, like positivity. Jason, honestly. Jason, you have caller ID on these people? Their name comes up. Oh, okay. I knew you ratted me out. I just. I just ask you that question to find out if you ratted me out that week. Freddy called me out when I called. Oh, it was awesome. You gave the worst worst accent ever for a...

And you put a fake name, so I didn't know it was you, but... Did I? We didn't even know anything. There was three seconds in, I knew it was Brett. There was no doubt in my mind. Yeah, there was... I'm gonna call out right away. I'm gonna call in next week and see if you can figure out what you're going.

Oh, hey, guys. I need a beer in a cigarette. Opera Pad, question of the week. If you could change one thing about your home right now, what would it be and why? DJ. If I could change one thing about my house, did you say? Yes. I would install a pool in my backyard because I had a pool in my old house and I don't have one now.

What are you waiting for? 2.9% interest right now. That's cheap to buy a pool. Build a pool. Yeah, I don't like my location. For a pool or for where you live? Both. For a pool.

I don't mind where I'm at, but I don't like the backyard for a pool. I got you. I got the same problem because I got a huge hill in the backyard in my house. I would love to have a pool, but I don't think I could put one in. You look good in a pool. I always look good. A kiddie pool. I might just get a kitty pool.

You're like that ones we see at the like Daytona. Yeah. The dollar general down the street has one. And they're literally like $3 too. They're nothing. We can have a pool party at my house for Chad's birthday. Bring your own pool. Deal.

I bring a bunch of kitty pools, line them up next to each other. Let's just dig a hole and put a trough on the ground back there. Call it a pool. Hey, I'm down. Your brother can take care of it. I looked at a house. He's got to work now.

He's got a job. He just went to work today. What's he doing? He's working at Casey Keynes. Nice. With Kevin, the T-shirt. Yeah, nice. All right.

Can you believe it? John has a job. I had to make it on time. I had to get up at 6.30 this morning and take him over there because his car's in New York still. It's coming here in two weeks. He's lived here three years and he finally got a job. So are you going to go to sleep at night?

What do you mean? If you got to get up that early to take him, I went to bed at 2 o'clock in the morning last night. I was up just watching the race, couldn't fall asleep. I went to a house that had a really cool game room. Man, I wish I could have bought it, but it didn't work out. Denny's? RPG room? No, it was about twice the size, believe it or not, of this room.

And it had like the basketball machines and it had foosball and it had pool tables. It had a fun game room. gigantic bar. It was the basement of this house. I wish I could take my house and add a basement to it like that because I like stuff like that. It's fun, but I don't, I can't, I won't.

I've really, I've told Megan now for, I don't know how long we've been in our house, three years that I really want a shuffleboard table somewhere. I don't know why. That's like my go-to bar game, so I want to put a shuffleboard table in there somewhere. What about the garage? I probably have to put it in the garage if I was going to do it.

It's doubles a little. That's where the hangout area is, right? Yeah, usually. What do you do when it gets 95 degrees in the summer in your garage? We don't, so we don't spend much time in there. The only time really we're in there is Super Bowl, really, is the big part. It's cold then. Yeah.

Go get a cash offer on your home today with our presenting sponsor, Offerpad.com. Time to get into our ExfinityX-Fi more than fast moments. You need more than just speed to compete in NASCAR. where did we see teams need to be more than fast this week? Brett. Man, I want to say Jeff Burton, but I got to go with Kaz Grawla, because Kaz came from 17th up all the way to sixth on the very last lap there in that wild finish in Talladega.

My more than fast moment was Jeff Burton, but he needed to be a little faster throwing some of them blocks to maintain that lead, but he did a hell of a job all day and took home the win. So my more than fast moment is going to Jeff Burton controlling them lanes. I got to give my more than fast moment to Josh Barry making his first ever green flag pit stop at a super speedway. And getting to pit road, he passes Austin Sindrick and still beats him off pit road as well without getting a penalty, sliding tires or anything. So that's a very impressive stop by Josh. It's going to be my more than fast moment.

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When it comes to Xfinity X-Fi, it means you can do more of what you love with a faster, faster internet. Follow at Xfinity Racing on Twitter to see more X-Finity X-Fi more than fast moments. and remember to vote for your favorites. Thank you to Xfinity, proud premier partner of NASCAR. It's time for Fastlane, our weekly segment where we expose the intelligence levels of our panel of spotters by having them compete in a speed trivia contest. Zero, we flipped. I don't know, I don't know. T.J. You lost. You're up first. Great. Yeah.

How many lapsed Joey Lugano complete on Sunday? 60. Cald 61? Nope. How many cautions were there on Sunday? Seven. How many speeding tickets has Freddie received? Oh, I don't remember.

I feel like this is a high number. Zero. What state is known as the Palm Meadow state? South Carolina. Let's go. About how long does it take the moon to orbit Earth? 365 days. No clue.

You got two right. Joey completed 59, so here's one off there. Freddie said he received four speeding tickets, and it takes about 27 days or around a month. I think that was a lot of hurt. Do you know why this is a palmetto tree? Oh. Because in Charleston, they use palmetto trees to line a lot of their buildings

because when they go through them battles and they would fire the cannonballs on it, they would bounce off the palmetto trees. Damn. There's your fact for the day. Learn something new every day. How about that? Did a carriage right over there. Great, now that's going to be the answer to his question.

Why they called upon this. That's why they used the tree on the license plates and stuff and stickers and all that stuff. Yeah, that's our big thing. Brett, you're ready? Yeah. Who finished directly behind Cadd's Grawler on Sunday? Ooh. Hey, good luck.

Remembering this. We don't have any idea what's going on then. No, I have no idea what was going on. I'll go with Cowbush. How many lapsed did winner, Brewery? Brad Kislauski lead. Seven. How many speeding tickets has TJ received?

Two. What state is known as the Beaver State? The Beaver State. I didn't know there was a Beaver State. Think about the college football teams, man. Don't say anything else. Just answer the question. Think about college football teams.

Is Oregon? Yeah. Well, they like their beavers up there, huh? They do. I love it. The 20th century began. Don't they get cold? 2000

What did you say? I don't even know the question The 20th century began in what year? 2000 All right You got one right Tyler Reddick finished behind Kaz Brad only led one lap

TJ said he's never received a speeding ticket I've never gotten a speeding ticket And 1901 is when the 20th century Name dropping Dale Jr. Every time he gets pulled over Hey man take this fang car It's already signed You want to FaceTime with Dale

Hold on Oh. All right, you just got to get three right to beat TJ. Okay. You know what does work is if you wear your fire suit? Miss Quarzley. Really?

Yeah, it worked. Freddie, ready? Uh-huh. How many laps did Bubba Wallace lead on Sunday? 31. Which driver was listed as involved in both multi-car crashes on Sunday? Danny Hemmer. How many speeding tickets has Brett received?

Seriously. Seven. What state is known as the show me state? Oh, uh. Is it Missouri? How many sides are in a heptagon? It's a good thing Missouri in Oregon are next door to each other. I've been to Missouri and I think that was the Beaver State.

I think, uh, to think Chad just got back from there. Sorry, sorry about that tangent. What did you say, heptagon? Heptagon. HEPT-1. HEPT-on. Nine. All right, you got two rights.

Bubba led 16 on Sunday. Brett said he at least have six speeding tickets. Yeah. Which seven could technically be at least six. I got out of all of them. The worst one was I was 15 and I only had my day license. And it was Christmas Eve and I was driving through Pageland and I hope my mom ain't listening to this. I was driving through P-Town.

and it was nighttime. And a cop got behind me, and I kind of freaked out. So I kind of started taking some back roads. Well, at this point, I realized he's following me. Yeah, you're done. He's already running plates. I was in a black little Dodge Charger with turbo. So I turn my lights off.

I'm like, now he can't see me. So I go flying around this place. There's nobody in where we live. I ain't like I'm going to put nobody in danger. So anyway, I go down to bypass. It didn't really open yet. And I go flying down to bypass. I think I've lost him.

I pull into my neighbor's yard. And next thing you know, he lights me up, dude, I might crap my pants. Oh, no. And he walks up and, thank goodness, it was a police chief, Johnny Sal. He was like, what in the fuck are you doing? And I was like, oh, I'm in trouble. He just took me home. He didn't give me a ticket on that one.

But anyway, all my tickets, man, I got buddies that are attorneys. If you get a ticket in the state of South Carolina, please send me a message on Twitter. I will have an attorney that will get you out of it. That's true, actually. Scott Joy, Russell Long, Billy Moncton. We'll get you out of your speaking ticket. We'll get you out of your speed ticket. Unless he has you blocked.

We'll get you out of anything, actually. Don't get blocked by Brett or he's not getting you out of it. If you need Brett to get you out of anything, can you put it on reaction theaters so we can know what it is? Hey, what's up, DBC fans? If you haven't heard about Anchor, it's the easiest way to make a podcast. Let us explain. Well, first of all, Freddie, the best part is it's free. There's nothing better than using a free awesome service.

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TJ will be your first guest. So download the free Anchor app or go to anchor.fm to get started. That's A-N-C-H-O-R dot FM to get started. What an idiot. Brett? Well, I've changed my mind during this show. I know. You're going to steal my mind then.

I had no idea that Jennifer Joe was going to be on our show. show sheet. So I have to give it to whoever went out and made the decision to publish that she was going to be a cup driver. And NASCAR said, not so fast. What an idiot. What an idiot. I don't know who I'm going to use as a what an idiot. You know who I'm going to use as what an idiot is Brett Griffin and myself for what we did on Friday night thinking that it was going to rain on Saturday. What an idiot. What an idiots. We were fine until they sit. I mean, I was fine, but what I was thankful for was that arc of practice at 9 o'clock in the morning got rained out because that might have been a little bit tougher for the dude than the race.

But by the time the race rolled around, I was good to go, ready to rip. But Herschman wanted to leave our hotel at 7 o'clock in the middle of a monsoon for some reason. But who you got, T.J. Maybe I should give it to Herschman for wanting to do that. I noticed a car that was getting ready to get lapped yesterday and running the bottom, running the bottom. Leaders are running up by the while there's two cars running together.

Oh, I know exactly here you're talking about. Leaders get there. Ryan Preece is leading this race. They're all single file chilling out, and this guy decides he's going to try to block a train that's running about 10 an hour faster than him and dang near wrecks the leader of the race. Wow.

I didn't see this. Takes him out of the lead because the guy has to, and he doesn't know where he's going, and you just can't do that. Just wait until they go by, position yourself, get back in the line of the draft. There was nobody in that draft that he was going to lose position to. He had one car behind him that he was racing,

but that guy, they both would have moved down when that pat goes by. You could not block the lead train. Before you say who it is, I'll tell Brett, if he would have moved up and blocked the leader and wrecked the leader, it would have been the leader's fault. it would have been his spotter's fault. Somehow, probably the crew chief's fault. It wouldn't have been his fault.

So, Joey was leading the race? No, no, no. No, Priest was leading the race. Oh, Priest was leading to race. No, I'm saying the guy that was... The lap car that was blocking was the one that would have blamed on everybody else. You just don't do this.

Like, you don't do this to the leaders, and especially a guy like Priest. Priest ran his ass off yesterday and drove a great race, and he did what he needed to do to get up there, and you just... You deserve a little more respect from lap cars than that at that point. Are you going to say who it is? let you say it. Who is it? Who would do that? I told you.

What's lap car would block the entire field? Who would block the field and then blame it on them? Because it's never their fault. It's somebody that races the heck out of you and it's not Ryan Newman. I mean, I don't know. Who is it? I mean, you got who, who would race somebody as hard as Ryan Newman for being, and only being seven laps down and racing that hard? Robbie Gordon. I mean. It was your one of your favorite drivers. Quinn and half? No. Quinn's not, no. He's the top 20 guy.

Well, y'all brought it up. Who is it? He's in a, yeah, he's definitely in a decent car. It's your Amigo. Yeah, you're one of your old buddies there. Daniel Suarez? No. Yeah, it was for us. No, the Amigo was following him. Who the fuck was he pulled up first?

The 99 was following the 42, I thought. The 99 was the second car in line, but he pulled up first. I was going. I was going. I thought that it was Daniel that started that. Should he play charades while we're at it? Well, whoever it was that did that, I kind of had more on the other one. I was going to put the blame on Daniel when I saw it. When I looked down, I saw the 37 swerving for the other one.

The 42. Yes. So it was the 42 and the 92 and the 92 were together. I didn't realize it at the time because obviously you're in the heat at the moment, but he took a pretty big hit. Did he? I didn't see it. He took a hit not like cowbushes, but similar.

Yeah. Similar in nature. When you're a lap car there and you got two of you together and the leaders are running the top, just run the top. because they're going to go around you and they either come back up or you follow them down and you have their doors which will speed you up and you won't lose the draft.

If you stay on the bottom, you're going to get your doors blown off and have a hard time maybe hanging off. What I thought was going on there was so the 42 and 99 know they're going to get lapped. Now they're going to be racing each other for Lucky Dog. So the 99 moved up in front of Ryan first to cover that

and then Ross had to react. You can't block the leaders, man. So then Ryan doesn't know where to go. so I think Ross is trying to get the hell out of the way but he about run over Suarez first and that's kind of a lot. Just as the lap cars. You can't like even if you're racing each other, get on the back of the draft

and then race each other like that. I think in my and I would have to check with Brandon or maybe Ross but I think that they were probably planning on because they stayed down when even the 99 moved up without them and then they had to go up and cover the 99 to keep them behind them because they're racing for Lucky Dog but you know. I hate I missed all this fun.

Yeah. It was exciting. It was it was a priest probably didn't think it was very exciting. No, I'm pretty sure priest doesn't say it didn't think it was exciting. Speaking of priest, BBC picks, yeah. What a good guy, my buddy Ryan. And still leading. So, TJ,

who you got? How are we going? I'm very upset with Harrison Burton. He made his debut. He restarted eighth with two to go. And he finished 20th. Like, we got into turn one, and he just darted out of line to the top by himself. And I'm like,

where's he going? This is stupid. Like, I was just upset. I thought I was going. a steel one right there and tie up. 38, 39, 33rd, 33rd. Those are some solid finishes for my guys. You just need to pick somebody. I pick Stenhouse. Of course, that's together. Wipes out. I should pick Casgrawler. I screwed that up. Yeah. Where are we going? Kansas. Who's got to pick first, T.J.? Yep. Oh, boy. Who do I want to have a bad race? I've already picked Denny, so I can't pick him.

man this is tough because I want to pick them but they've been slow this year take your time by all means I got to go with I'm a roll with Alex Bowman solid pick

I'm assuming he's not the one that was slow I'll go William Byron I want Harvick but Harvick was 3 tenths faster than that's there last year who'd you go William Byron yep I was going to pick him, but I've already used him.

You guys got some pretty good picks, so I think I might lay up here a little bit. Maybe he'll steal me one. I'll take Daniel Suarez. I'll tell you what. I'll tell you what. I might steal one. They're near the end of the race. I looked up there, and the 9-9 was, like, P-7 or P-8.

Like, he, and he wasn't anywhere of the whole race either. I think 9-9's had some fast cars, terrible pit stops. I think he's actually, that car is actually fairly competitive. I think they've done a good job. I think he's hungry. I mean, he left obviously a superb organization in JGR. His second chance was another superb organization, Stuart Hoss Racing. Then you get thrown out in the street and you struggle, struggle, struggle, and now I think you see a hungry experienced driver.

Where was he running really good where he had a penalty? Atlanta, maybe? The dirt track. No. He was really good at Atlanta. And that's a tough racetrack too. I mean, obviously a big RCR affiliation. I mean, good stuff, man, good stuff.

I mean, you look at the points, though, and I feel like this conversation has got to be had. We got right now out of the playoff, the 21 car, which is a fast team, the one car, the six car, the 23 car. Ryan Priest is right there. surprised by that a little bit. Certainly not out of it, but he's out of the points as of right now. Tyler Reddick, Cole Custer, Daniel Suarez, Ross Chastain, Eric Amarola, Eric Jones, Chase Briscoe is 28th and points. That's a lot of really big names with really super teams that I didn't expect to be back there.

Yeah, for sure. A lot of big names. When did they start throwing Hell Marys? I mean, you almost had to start this weekend, some of them. The big, the big. bait I've seen everywhere is are we going to have 16 winners? No. That's not going to happen.

I don't think so. I don't think we're going to have two guys with eight or nine like we did whatever we had last year. But I still think you had the potential for somebody like Danny or you guys to roll off four or five here pretty easily. I see a three or four guys that could. A few more first time winners coming. Like who?

Yeah. Who's going to be a first time winner, Casey? I don't, I mean, just think about who's been up front and you don't even realize it. Like you were talking about it. Daniel Suarez was up there. I said he was running good. I didn't say he was competing for wins. All right, let's side.

Let me ask you this question. Will 13th in points get you into the playoff? 13th? 13th. And you're looking at, I have the standings. I don't have the points. How many winners we have already? We don't have a repeat.

Nine. We got one repeat. 13th and points will not get you in. I don't think so. I don't think 13 the points I think you're gonna Because there's one two three there's

We've had nine different winners And that's not Denny hasn't won Kevin hasn't won Chase hasn't won They're all definitely going to win And Kyle would be the 13th guy Oh Blaney's got to win

Sorry He's gonna win yeah Kyle would be the 13th guy And I gotta think at some point Kyle Busch is going to win a race again He didn't last year before the playoffs But yeah that already gets you there

Yeah So Yeah I agree Be tough man Hey, Freddy, who you represent in this weekend, this week on your shirt? Oh, this week I got Stephen Nassie. Nasty, nasty, nasty. Big news from him, he just, I guess he just switched rides out of nowhere.

He left the Jet Motorsports team and is going to, I think, just ride for himself now. So it's pretty interesting. Did they run the correct brakes at the snowball? I think that they will not make that mistake ever. Yeah, that was sad. Got to show a lot of love to our fans. We caught up with the gentleman who sent a suburban. Yeah.

I sent him a message as well. Dude is awesome. He said he might be in Kansas, I think. I asked him what race he was going to, so maybe this weekend we'll get a chance to say hey. And like I said, I went down and sat in the top of the grandstands for that Xfinity race. And Brad Slaughter was right in front of me. He turned right. He said, hey, he's going.

And I tweeted a picture of the cars going by. And I think I gave away where I was sitting and had some more DBC fans come over and say hi. But it was awesome. Just fans everywhere, man. It was good to see fans back. Like you said, there was so many. More and more every week. Yeah, and it was good to hear everybody, you know, yelling that they love the podcast and stuff.

So that was awesome. What else is cool is, like, Marty Smith comes on here, and you have a lot of our listeners tweeting saying they went and bought his book. And that's not why we brought him on the show. That's zero literally to do with it. Marty knows a lot of stories. And then John Wood texted me last week, and he was like, well, I got to tell you, y'all got some crazy listeners, because my Twitter has blown up with new followers.

He said, I did Matt D. Benedetto's podcast for 90 minutes. I don't think I got one single new follower. You guys, you got some crazy listeners. And then this week, Charles Saxon, dropping the game cock helmet on our table. So point of this is, we love listeners. I don't pass a team van now without thinking of John Wood. Seriously, I drive through, I drive down 150 and moreover. If I see a 15 passenger van, I look and see if John Wood's driving just to be sure, make sure.

Yeah, good stuff. And I decided to follow Freddie's lead and represent one of my favorite drivers. Jade Avedesian, yes. She listens to the show. She runs for Chad, and I think she's going to get a win this year. Is she not raised this weekend? Not this weekend, but I think she'll be happy. I'm sure she'd appreciate it if you were a little more punctual.

I am on time, okay? Jade is a badass. She is awesome. Yeah. Where does she live? California, but she travels everywhere. Next time she's in town, I'll bring her on. Yeah, bring her on.

Love to have it. We're, uh, you guys off to come. Kansas, my next race is Cotto, but I'll be watching you guys. I'll watch the cup race. Probably going to skip the truck race. We're baseball and dancing all weekend. Sounds like fun. Yeah.

Good luck, though. Looking forward to Kansas. Enjoy. Have some barbecue. I'll try. We're out, Holland. Have a great week. See you.

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