Door Bumper Clear - 214 – Chris Rice: Change is Coming

Episode Date: May 17, 2021

Back from Dover International Speedway, Freddie Kraft, Brett Griffin and T.J. Majors are joined by Kaulig Racing Team President Chris Rice. Following NASCAR’s unveil of the Next Gen car and in anticipation of Kaulig starting a Cup Series program in 2022, Rice dives deep into the future for the sport.He first joins the crew’s banter and reaction to the action from Dover. A dominant Sunday for Hendrick Motorsports produced a 1-4 finish for the organization. Hear how the guys reacted to Kyle Larson not moving Alex Bowman for the lead on a restart. Rice weighs in on how teammates should race each other from management’s perspective.Talk regarding ownership of Cup Series charters is heating up as new teams look to enter the sport. The guys cover the current state of the charter business and how enforcing competition rules may help open up spots for new teams looking to enter the series.Denny Hamlin was vocal on the radio on Sunday when racing his driver Bubba Wallace. Wallace’s spotter Freddie tells us what happened and provides insight to the unique relationship between car owner and driver on the race track.NASCAR will race at Circuit of the Americas in Austin, Texas for the first time this weekend. Hear what the spotters expect to find when arriving at COTA and challenges they and the team anticipate facing.Then the show gets technical as a conversation surrounding NASCAR’s Next Gen car unveil gets underway. Hear what changes are coming with the new car and how it will impact the entire series. In preparation for taking his team to full-time Cup competition, Rice breaks down the different elements he studied ahead of this move.How will pit stops change? Could drivers be shifting at 1.5-mile tracks? What’s the future of practice? How much horsepower will the cars have? The guys all weigh in on these topics and much more.In Reaction Theatre, we get an update from Brett’s hometown of Pageland, hear from a Joey Logano supporter, and Freddie gets serenaded with a new song.For the Xfinity xFi More than Fast Moment segment, the guys discuss the fastest pit stop of the season and a money-making move.A short track brawl consumes the “What an Idiot” segment as everyone discusses what went down at Tri County Speedway over the weekend. Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

All right, T.J. We are ready to go. Anything you want me to... Nah, you just... When you're in there, you just don't talk. That is fine with me. I'll just sit on my phone, online shop. This is a break from babysitting, so... I figured you'd look at it that way. Your hair looks good today, though. Thank you. I appreciate it.

Oh, yours? I think you're trying to me. Nah, your beard looks good. Always. I see some grays, actually. I know, actually. It's like half gray now. Freddy. Stevie Reeves growing off your chin. Freddie, you need a haircut

That seems offered I know, can you see it at the back? Yeah I need to go today Brett your hair looks great from the back Thank you I'm not

That's something you would say Brett I was gonna be to a guy I realized it after I was not gonna go there I realized it after That's a common term in pageland for dudes

You got a new tattoo The back of your head looks amazing I'm just gonna stop talking that Brett's hair, it goes perfect with his back tat what he's got? What do they call a tramp stamp? Not fun dudes. What do you call it if a dude has one, like lower back?

Is there a guy that has one? I mean, could you imagine? I'm sure there is one. I'm sure there is. Have you been to the lake, like the sandbar? Because there's plenty of them. You need to start taking pictures because we need to like post these.

I don't mean no harm, but this sounds like you know a lot about tramp stamps and people telling you that your hair looks good from behind. It's because I'm around Brett too much. Casey, She's had her party days. Not anymore. I didn't say anymore.

I definitely want a beer. Want a beer? Yeah. Hey, what's up everybody? This is Door Bumper Clear and I'm Freddie Craft. Today we're joined by our special guest, Chris Rice. He'll help explain the next-gen car to us. Plus, we'll cover Hendricks' dominance, Danny Hamlin yelling at me about the 23 car,

and heading the Circuit of America's for the first time. Here we go. Nobody's listening, but I don't care. I'm on an episode of Doors. bumper clear. Hey, everybody, I'm T.J. Majors. It's part of the 22 cup car this weekend. That's it.

What's up, everybody? Brett Griffin. Spotter at Cota for Colleg Racing. Got A.J. Amaddinger on tap in the cup race. Jeb Burton, I'm helping out Freddie. Maybe I'm a good luck charm. We can actually win again, Freddie. That'd be nice. Yeah.

What's up, Freddie Kraft? Before we get to our special guest, we have another guest coming on today, and he said he wanted popcorn and beer. So I brought popcorn and beer. I'm pumped to have Marcus on here today. Sorry to disappoint you, Freddie, but he has not gotten back to me if he's available this morning. What do you mean? We've invited him two weeks in a row.

I invited him like five times. He didn't answer us. He answered. He just didn't get back to us if he's available or not. He said he was coming on, so he's a no show. He said, yeah. So he goes to this. Who?

Marcus. Oh, yeah. Brett, are you going to block him? That'll be the last invite he gets, I believe. No, I'm not blocking him. I invited him the first week, and I said he wouldn't come. And then next week, he said he would come. And then Jason text him.

And what did he say, Jason? He had to check his schedule. He's recording some stuff, but you check his schedule and get back to me. Well, he must be too busy. Well, he's not invited anymore. Two weeks in a row. Somebody that was invited. I'd rather him than you.

Somebody that was invited and showed up this week was Mr. Chris Rice. What's up, guys? I'm going to pop this beer just because he didn't show up, and I'm going to be a part of the guess. Hold on, Marcus. I'm sorry, but I'll pop a beer for you, but. When's the last time Chris Rice had a beer at 9.30 in a morning? Yesterday.

Oh, gosh. I think I was last week. Yeah, I mean, yesterday. No, I was having coffee about 930 yesterday. Were you still at track? No. Yeah, that's what I was saying, yeah. That's next year.

I was leaving Saturday and I was like, oh, my gosh, that's next year. I got to be here again. See my four-head or five-head, whatever you want to call it? It's getting thinner. What's up, guys? I'm glad to be here. Sorry I bailed on you last week. I was doing, yeah, that.

Yeah, you're busy last week. Busy. I was not counting a hundred-hous-dollar deal. Casey, were you able to see any of the tweets between me and Marcus or not really? No, but people screenshot it for me. Thanks. Actually, my Twitter is a lot more refreshing now that I don't have you on it. No negativity on there anymore?

Yep. Very positive. Yep. But I do know whenever you talk about me because my notifications follow up. So thank you. I'm positive. You won't see my tweets anymore. Appreciate it.

And she's making that face. So we got Jason and Kempark. Casey in the booth now, so we have two voices in our head that make us feel awkward. But what's up, guys? What are you doing in there? I'm just surprised Brett was drinking some silters this weekend. Well, you know what I've learned, Jason, is if you drink a fireball and chase it with a seltzer, you don't feel bloated like you do when you drink beer.

And you get shit-faced in like 15 minutes. Let me ask you this. How do you feel after seven fireballs and 12 shelters? Do you feel bloated then at Detroit? The next morning, awful. Alarm goes off at 645 to go to a baseball game, and I'm like, oh, no. It's a terrible idea. I called Brett yesterday Sunday.

It was about 1 o'clock, and I said, Brett, I've seen where you had to get up at 6.45 and you've dranked a lot. Them days are over, bud. You're old. You got gray hair. And those days are over. You got to start like at 1 and quit at 6. Yeah.

You know, I'm going to start the club. I've always said to start the club at 2 to 4 club for all the old people. Because then we can go to bed and be fine. You know, you think about it. It used to be go out at 11, get home at 4 at night. Yeah. We need the daytime. It's evolved.

We used to go out, and when the bar is closed, you went home at two. And then Deli Jr. built that western town, and that was a bad idea. It never closed. No. We'd be like, hey, are you tired yet? No, like 30 minutes later, it's light outside. What are we doing? We wouldn't go to bed until the sun came up.

I still say the best thing that people never knew about it, the western town was their wheelchair races down the hill in the woods. Where you go back to the campground. Oh, that's stupid. That's not good. No, that's not good at all. Yeah, in the western town, there's a campsite in the woods as well back there near all where the race car graveyard is. And there's a couple hills and a couple little bridges and stuff.

And he actually went to Josh Snyder and bought some pop-ups and put him out there. Pop-up campers. Some pop-up campers. And it was a good idea to drink at the campsite and just sleep in a pop-up. when literally all of us lived less than a quarter mile. Yeah, less than a quarter mile away. It's just through the woods, not even having to drive. But it was fun.

We had some good times. There's been some funny things that have happened out there. None of which can be spoken about, I'm sure. The problem with the early day club and me and Brett have experienced this a couple times is, you think? We have, you know what? We got like life's long day today. We're off today.

let's start, you know, we'll start drinking around lunchtime, and then we'll, you know, we'll cut it off early and go to bed. And the lunchtime part happens, and that cut it off early just never seems to, never seems to come to fruition for some reason. That's because you won't go to bed. By the time, you know, like, you look over again, and Brett's got his fingers out trying to count if he's going to get his eight hours to sleep that night. I got to have eight hours. We won Vegas, and my wife and I and AJ and all of us, Matt Collick wasn't there, and he gave us a budget to go out and race, to go out and party after the race, after we had won. What was a budget? Yeah.

I'm not disclosing that information. It was a lot. Let me just tell you that. Damn. That's nice. We went. And my wife, we had, you know, it kind of was 50% like you couldn't go on dance floors and stuff. So we went out, had a good time.

Chris Rice is an amazing dancer, by the way. Can he clog? No, he can't clog. But he can't clog. But he can shake that ass. So we got back to the hotel room, standing at the Cosmopolitan. and we got back. You're welcome for that, too.

Thank you. And I opened the blinds and I said, go, Tammy, Tammy, come here. And she's like, is he falling off the side? What's going on? The sun was coming up. First time I'd seen it since I turned. I mean, I was so excited. I've seen the sun coming up.

Oh, my gosh. I felt it for three weeks. I'll bet. At this age, it definitely sticks with you an extra day or two. We used to run hard a night, you know, go to bed, really, really late, and you'd be junk the next day. but after that you were fine. But now it's like, you drink on Saturday.

It's like Wednesday you're like, man, I'm starting to feel a little bit better now. We heard a dog. We figured out how to solve that problem. Hair of the dog? You can't be drunk and hung over at the same time. Just drink? Just start back drinking.

Grab your bloody. Yeah. Chase it with a fireball. You'll be fine. I can't drink the Bloody Mary, but I'll drink the Fireball. Fireball. I can't do Bloody Mary. Zero issues with.

Neither one. So, where the hell do we race at? Dover. I think you had a more exciting race than anybody, and it was about 15 laps. Yeah. Yeah, we actually finally had a race where nothing happened. You sure?

Yeah. I mean, hey, the boss was mad at me, but that's just because we were in front of him. I hope he's mad at me all year. Why did you mir drive me? Well, for you? Yeah, why? I mean, isn't that frowned upon? I don't know.

I try to do it to everybody. Yeah, that's just racing, right? Yeah, I don't have a problem with that. But it's like everyone else, if Joey does that, it's like, whoa. I mean, you got to race for air. Yeah. I don't blame you of it, man. I couldn't believe how much of a difference.

I'm assuming this was a difference, just how much that second pit stop helped you guys. I felt like you guys come busting through the field. Well, we also, our car was good. Yeah, yeah. But we had a big hole in the nose. Something went through the front end. A lot of people had holes in the noses. Yeah, Blaney had the same thing.

I really feel like we had a fifth, sixth place car. Maybe I don't think we were good enough to beat the Hendrick cars. I don't think we had a fifth, sixth place car, but the tires did matter a little bit in the long run. I was kind of glad we came down and got them. So other than that, an eventful, uneventful race for us, really. How was your Saturday, Mr. Rice? Well, I was getting ready to say,

you ever notice, like, when the junior motorsports cars have, like, they were, like, stupid fast on Saturday, right? Like, and then the Hendrick cars were stupid fast on Sunday. You ever notice how that goes, like, if a, and Junior Motorsports is obviously tied to Hendrick? So it was how fast they were was just crazy. Justin Algeyer and, man, Josh Barry, I'm going to tell you, I had a conversation with Josh Barry was very, very,

I was very impressed with the conversation. He backs it up when he gets in a race car, you know. I was going to ask you point blank, would you hire him full time if you had an opportunity? Oh, absolutely. Yeah, we had an opportunity, and you know how it is. You've got to have the backing. And him, Josh and I talked about that a lot.

You got to have the backing. And I feel like Dale Jr. would support that as a friend or as a boss. also, whatever. And that dude just time and time again has shown how well he races. He come up to me after Vegas. And I don't, you know, me after races, I'm pretty fired up. And if you never listen to me, I'm pretty fired up. And I don't know, him and Justin Haley had maybe got into each other. And it was not on purpose. It was just his first mile and a half race. He'd come up and apologize and I went back and watched it. It was nothing he had done. But like, that dude just racing him, and I know he's not going to be able to race at Cota this weekend, but racing him

makes everybody else step up, you know, and even A.J. Amendinger said that on Saturday. He said, man, that Josh Berry was getting it done. Even, I think it helps Justin Algar, you know. Oh, it pushes him. Pushes them. Yeah, I agree. Yeah, so, but our Saturday was fine. Obviously, very, very disappointed in what went on with the 11 car losing the brakes and very sorry for Brandon Jones. Everybody Joe gives racing. He doesn't need help wrecking. No, I feel like we've run into him every week. One of our cars have run into him every week, and I feel terrible about that. But thanks to Zane Smith for stepping in for Justin Haley and doing that for the leaf of the gutter protection car and all of our partners, you know.

But I think we kind of figured out what happened, and it was a part failure from a master cylinder and just one of those deals. Dover's not an easy place to jump in and go fast without a lot of practice. Josh Barry's been impressive. Very impressive. Zane impressed me. Started last, drove up to about 14th. They pitted, come back out 28th, drove back up to 10th. They pit it again, come out 13th, and he was passing for 7th when he took.

So he was on his way to a solid run? Oh, yeah. He was going to push AJ Almendinger pretty hard. I think Zane's going to be a name you here next year a lot. What are you saying? What are your teammate? I don't think he's going to be my teammate. But I think that I think he may get a shot in a cup series.

I wouldn't surprise me. good driver got funding there's going to be a lot of i would say a handful of probably new teams coming into this cup series that are going to be looking for a guy like that and zane's the name i think you're going to hear throwing around a lot yeah i think him and josh and and i mean you know you just you you watch those guys and like justin hayley you watch that kid he's just grown and grown and grown and and you watch those guys they just get better every time he get in a race car as a driver as a driver not he no he's he's he's he's kind of short short like you. He's about five, six, maybe five, I don't know how tall he is.

Zane sat in the car for the first time on Saturday, and I got a picture of it, sat in the car and he goes, man, he's as small as I am. I said, yeah, you guys sure are short. We fixed that seat in one hour. Wow. Wow. One hour. One hour. Yeah. It's, it's May. We're still working on a seat. People don't realize how much work goes into stuff like that. If the driver's not comfortable, I mean, that's their all. I mean, that's their office, that seat they're sitting in, that's their office. So that's, that's a huge accomplishment. And I mean, like you said, he was, he was fast until those brakes went out. Yes. We saw a lot of break problems yesterday. I mean, you guys were obviously working,

but there were a lot of guys. William Byron was probably the first one I heard screaming on TV saying he didn't have brakes. So, so, I mean, I think, why is that? They're not using the brakes a ton at Dover. No, they are. They are. I mean, you know, the tires better. We're running much faster through the middle of the corner. You think about it's not near as much rubber on the racetrack as what we're used to. There wasn't much, even after the cup race, a little bit, but not nearly. They showed a very good graphic on TV yesterday of Kyle Larson when he started the run to when he finished the run.

I think it was 45 laps, 50 laps into the run, how much distance he had lost. And I think it was like a second and a half. Dover, we used to didn't see much drop off. Right. You know, we used to see it was kind of flat, but at Dover, you was having a lot of drop off. And I say that's because it wasn't as much racing on a racetrack. The racetrack didn't take the rubber like it used to, and they picked it all up anytime of caution comes out. As soon as the caution comes out, you pick it up on a tires.

I'll tell you what I did see, and Freddie probably saw this. When you could, with that spoiler in that package, you have more offensive weapons when you get close to a car. You could definitely affect the guy. On exit of two over there, if a guy got close to your left rear quarter, I mean, the guy would have to lift. And I thought that was great. I thought we saw it with Stenhouse and what the hell is that? I mean, they actually made contact. He took the air off of spoiler right when he drove through the back of him off a turn two.

We passed a lot of cars. We might even pass you like that. Joey figured out if you could just be patient through the 50 to 70% mark and stay close to that guy. You could get the air off him a little bit. But speaking of, that's back to Josh Barry. That's one thing that impresses me. He's been in some tight situations and were a lot of rookies

and guys with little experience would have spun out, and he hasn't. So, I mean, he's racing hard, and he's not wrecking people and doing things the right way. So, and he's exciting to watch. Like, it's fun. I mean, I think he's doing good for the opportunity he has. AJ put him in a tight spot right off the get-go. And AJ knew he could, you know, with AJ's experience. Yeah, take advantage of it.

Yeah, and the next restart, Josh went right back in the same situation, but he ended up beating AJ. So he learned from his first one. and don't. That's what you got to do, though. That's what you want to see. Yeah. Everybody late model racing or whatever was like, man, his cars are so much better coming out of junior motorsports.

And then after you see this guy, and I, he was talking about trying to find the air. That was a conversation we were having in a garage. And I said, do you think any of the late model guys in there are laughing at you because you used to laugh at us when we talked about the air is so bad? He said, yeah, man, a year ago, I was like, man, what are they talking about arrow push or arrow loose? And he says, now it's pretty big. Yeah.

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Maybe we should chug a few and then do spot-on, spot-off. Or fast. Would you shotgun? If I shotgun one? Me? I have to babysit after. Babysit. Who's kids?

You watching? Babesit with a buzz. Way more fun. Any good Chad stories? I mean, we missed them with you. I thought you being out here. Chad stories? Yeah, any good chat.

Where is he after this week to get away from? Let me race. I don't know. Illinois, I think. Yes, to get away from me. I love when people say Illinois's. I was like in the same day. There's no noise in Illinois.

Yeah, it's Illinois. She said Illinois. I know. You put an ass in it. Utah. We're going to Utah and Illinois. Yeah. Country buffets.

You did. I swear I heard an ass. I did too. Let's just say she's. Clearly you're deaf. All right. So. She's flustered.

Hey, cheers, Freddie. Top 15 yesterday about fucking time. No shit. Chris, do you know how to, how this segment works? He's been on the show. before. Absolutely. All right. Well, I'll throw you right into the fire then. First topic, spot on, spot off. Kyle Larson nudges Alex Bowman, but doesn't move him when battling for the lead on a restart and ultimately

loses to Bowman. Chris, spot on spot off. I think it's spot on. As a team president, I think it's spot on because you could a couple of things you could have done. You could erect yourself and Alex Bowman, but also you had two more teammates sitting right behind. You could erect all four cars. And I could see Mr. Hendrick right now in a meeting. So I think Kyle Larson knows that, you know, he probably had the fastest car, right? Like, so he thought, well, I'll pass him. I'll definitely pass him. But he didn't, but I definitely think it was spot on for being a great teammate.

And I think that I come back around to be on his side. Hey, remember when Ross Chastain wrecked A.J. Amadinger last year at a plate race at DeKona? You remember what we looked like the next plate race? Yeah. We looked like three people going in wrong directions and where he ended up wrecking two cars. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, so I think you speak from experience. Absolutely. Yeah. Speaking of the teammate thing, did you see, we talked about a little bit, I think Harrison Burton works on Ty Gibbs for a while, passes him with two or three to go. They go down on the next corner and Ty just punts him. Sends him up the racetrack. Like, that would make me mad. Harris is running for points.

Ty's just racing for experience and you work and you pass the guy clean and he just runs back down there and a hit, like actually makes contact. I mean, he's aggressive, but that's probably something that I'd want to have a talk about. So, TJ, are you spot off? I am spot on for Kyle Larson's decision because there's no need to, he's got a win, he's going to get more, he's got fast cars, no reason to build anything, any, like, just, everything's good over there. Now that he's learned how to drive this package, T.J., do you think he's the best guy out there right now? Do you think he's got to beat? I'm pretty sure Quinn Huff could have finished top four in that race yesterday with them cars.

Those cars wear fat. Maybe not quick. TJ. Okay, I reached a little far. Anthony Alfredo, could he run top four in them cars? No. Give me somebody. I mean, if you want, I'm throwing you softball.

I want somebody that might have a trophy and something else. He probably won some of my races. Would Justin Haley run top four in them cars? Justin Haley probably could have got very close to it. I mean, he'd be in contentioned with it, I think. They're just good there. They're fast, man. And you got to understand the air.

Justin understands air. And he knows where to position his car. And that's half the battle. You get a fast car and a guy that understands air. That's a lot of it. Speaking of Justin Haley, not to go off topic, but Chris Rice, you get a phone call to Justin Haley due to COVID. Close contact, positive tests, whatever that may mean.

Who called you? But you get a call that says, hey, I got a problem. What is your first reaction? First reaction is, okay, are you okay? Even any wrecks, that's the way I had to learn to be as a manager. Are you okay? And I had talked to him earlier that day, and he had told me that his family might have it. And I had asked him, had you been around him?

And he said, yes, because I tried to get all of our drivers to go take the shot. I mean, one way or other, just take the shot, be done with it. AJ and Jeb took it. And Justin was going to take it probably this way. week and he said yeah and he had posted about it they went and tested at friendship the dirt car with his brother both the both of his family members did have it and he was right there with him so we he had an NBC shoot and he had you know he felt like he didn't want to put anybody in danger and we didn't either we didn't spark I talked to Steve LaTart and TJ for a long time we just didn't want

to put anybody in danger so he didn't go to the NBC shoot and then we felt like the right thing to do was to tell NASCAR. So we called NASCAR, you know, and obviously with the close contact, he's got to do the testing and he's got to stay in quarantine for a while and all of that. He should be good for this weekend going into CODA, but he's still got to get release from NASCAR. But that's a man, makes your heart sink. I mean, we got partners. Leifield of gutter protection. You know, we got Ellsworth. We got hyper ice. We got nutrient solutions. Everybody's got to know. Like, it's not just one person that's got to know. Right. It's FOE, everybody. And it becomes a, it becomes.

a mess. Cars already in the trailer. I had some people, they stopped, disinfected a car, made sure it was all good, you know, and then trying to find a driver. A couple of things. You had Dash for Cash, so he couldn't use a cup guy. Then you had his size. Yeah, he's tiny. He's very tiny. We got Kaz Graala on the, on the situation. No way he fits in that seat. No way he fits in it. Not even a chance. So now you're looking at, I call Zane Smith. And I don't know if you want to go into that right now, but when I call him, he gets stopped by the cops because where he's at. What an idiot. Yeah, where he's at? You can't be on the phone. Oh, my gosh. He goes, hold on a minute.

Let me call you back. That's awesome. It's so funny. Oh, my gosh. But, yeah, it was a big deal. I got to give you props for taking the correct protocol because we've talked about that. It only takes one person to not say anything about it. And then put a big dent in the sport with a lot of people and put things at risk more.

I think that's like Brett says you get the flu you're working still I mean it's hard to it's hard to hand the reins over when you're in this sport no matter what you're doing it's hard to hand your job over to somebody else

and I think that's I think y'all set an example well I appreciate it if I hadn't had the COVID and it felt like I was going to die during Christmas I probably would have looked at it different but when when I got it and I realized that it was real like this was a real, you know, virus.

I was like, okay, but it's pretty serious. I feel like a lot of people are, don't really take it seriously until, but if they were to get sick like that, they're going to, they're going to probably get the shot. Yeah, I got the shot. I got it. And, you know, the rule is if you have the shot and you've been around somebody, it's all good. Like, that means, that's the whole deal. It's all good.

You don't have to, you don't have to do anything. You don't have to quarantine or anything. And that's, that's the key, you know, listen, Jimmy Johnson got it. Austin Dillon got it. you know it's it's not like the end of the world Justin Haley didn't do anything wrong the only thing was he didn't get to drive his two race cars and get more laps at Dover like he needs going into

2022 so but other than that he did zero wrong and that'd come back to help him in the future yeah to being honest and good karma sure yeah 100% spot on spot off Hendrick motorsports finishes one through four while Rick Ware racing finishes 31st through 34th only placing ahead of three cars that face problems. Spot on, spot off, Freddie.

I mean, spot on for Hendrick, my God. That was an ass-wopin. I mean, in the plainest sense of the term, I mean, Larson was up leading all day, checked out all day, and then obviously lost the lead on the pit stop. But, I mean, they were the top four for, I felt like the whole second half of the race. We haven't seen that kind of dominance.

I don't think since that day when all the Stuart Hoss cars lined up at the front of Talladega, and nobody could touch them. So, I mean, that was pretty impressive from a company standpoint. How you feel about rig wear, 31st through 34? We've said it off about Rick Ware. I think it's just, I hope to God he sells all four charges to somebody that's going to try.

I mean, and that's where I've gone with this. Obviously, Hendrick did something amazing. But I'll say this, man, you know, the RCR Hendrick engine package had six cars in the top 10 yesterday. Reddick was up there. Swares was up there. Only two cars, other than 100 cars, led the race, the 19 and the 11th started on the pole. You expect him to lead laps, right?

But the Rick Ware thing is when I read the news last week that, you know, obviously Matt Collig announced on Sirius Radio a month ago that he intends to have at least one charter. You got Kelly Earnhardt-Dell Jr. saying, man, they may have won a charter. You've got trackhouse racing that is on a lease right now. They need to buy a charter. There's a lot of legitimate organizations that are trying to, to come into the sport that want to race and not ride around. We need more charters.

We need something, T.J. Make the field bigger. We can. We know we can run 43 cars. We did it for 100 years, it felt like. But what I don't want to see is companies like I just referenced not being able to come in and play because we got a guy riding around dead last. Because for the most of the race, they occupied the last four positions until Kyle Bush had a problem and ultimately went seven laps down until Chase Briscoe pounded the wall and went

to the garage for a fix. So this is NASCAR's opportunity going into this new car, Chris, and my opinion, to fix this. Can they? Oh, boy, I probably could get in trouble. That's what we do on the show. Can they fix it? Man, it's going to be tough to fix it overnight. Yes, the charter thing's a big deal. I've not laid up at night worrying about it, but I have. It's been top priority for Colleg Racing, Matt Colleg, myself, to try to find a charter. We've worked really hard for two years. People don't even know that. We've worked really, really hard for two years to get a charter.

Because we were going to go cup racing last year. I mean, it was not a secret to you, Brett. You knew this. We were going cup racing last year. That was our plan. We had added on to our building. We was not going to run three Xfinity cars. Well, I guess we were going to go cup racing this year.

But then COVID hit. obviously, and it slowed everything down. Can they fix the charter thing? Well, it's a couple rules they have that they might have to start enforcing, and that's about as much as I can say. Right. And it's performance-based rules. Yes, correct.

So maybe they look at that. They played the game right. Rick Warranilms played the game right. There's only four organizations that own four charters, and he's one of the four. Well, he don't own the fourth. Well, he's got rights. What's rights? I've been in these weeks.

He's making money. He's making money off four charters. He's leasing it, you know, but if he come and wanted to buy it for more than what he's a reason. I wanted to buy it for. He's going to buy it. So the rights are, I don't agree with that term, but yes, he's racing four charters this year. He's played the game right, and was a game meant to be like this?

Absolutely not. You guys talk about going to 43 cars. You go to 43 cars. that brings down number one's money. Does Denny Hamlin still want three charters if it brings down his money? I don't think, Danny knows how much money he's got. You know what I mean? So it's like, you think about that.

You steal, Denny Hamlin's still racing off that charter money from buying the germane charter. I don't care if anybody, you use that money to have more performance, right? Especially somebody, Denny Hammond, Colleg racing. We put everything back into the pot. It's not. Matt Collick one day has never said, oh, I'm getting a paycheck. Yeah. Ever.

I don't make any of these guys do that. You know what I mean? You race off of that. That's the key. Race. Right. You race off of that. And the guys that the performance deal on the charters might have to come in effect soon.

I don't know what that looks like when it happens, but NASCAR is very aware of it. And they want Matt Colleg. They want Dale Jr. They want the Denny Hamlins of the world. They want those guys in there. But they also, I mean, they don't look negative. I don't think on those other guys. I think they're doing what they can with what they got.

Like you said, he's played it right. Yeah. And I mean, they don't have the resources or the budget to probably go much faster than they do. But, I mean, those guys still race hard. I'll tell you that. You know, for what they have at that point. I think he just needs to sell all four charters and go IndyCar racing, if you ask me. I mean, that seemed to be working out a lot better for me.

Dale Cohen. I found that out. Yeah. That was impressive. It has actually Rick Ware and Dale Cohen has put something together. I asked AJ about this. And actually, it's helped. Dale's program because it brought in more revenue,

but it also looks good on Rick Ware on that side of it, you know. That was a solid pole and run for that, man. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. But if you look at it, this new car is going to help and what you guys are talking about. Like, who can afford to buy seven of these new cars? Yeah. Like, who has the money?

Think about this now. You asked any race team, who has the money sitting there to go buy seven of these race cars? We've talked about that on the show. The startup cost of the new car is going to be crazy. Crazy expensive. Astronomical. I hate that the narrative is teams are going to save money. They're not.

They're going to spend a bucket load of money, a freaking 55-gallon barrel full of money trying to keep up next year just to get the inventory in place. Yeah. What percentage of things that Cup teams own right now, as far as it speaks to the car itself, are obsolete in 2022? Huh. You can use your seat. You can use your fire bottles.

Steering wheel. Yeah, you can use your steering wheel, and one of our guys... Pedals are different, I mean... Yeah, I mean, dude, it's very little. The percentage... 90 plus percent is obsolete? Oh, yeah. Yeah.

TJ, that's huge. That's big, yeah. Most of the things that aren't... Are going to be... It's either safety equipment or driver accessory stuff. Yeah, yeah. Everything else is pretty much... All them...

What do you guys got to recall it? Cabinets or carts or something? Cabinets, yeah. Yeah, you can either clean them out. Yeah. Clean them out. The Xfinity program is why it's so big right now is because of all these extra parts that, you know, you're talking about. I love the Xfinity cars, man.

Like Matt Collick says, it's just stuff. He walked around the other day. He was down last week. He walks around, he says, I'd never thought I'd have this much stuff. So it's like, yeah, that much stuff off of them cars now is not going to be good. Yeah, I do like the Xfandi cars, though. I think they drive. They drive.

They're hard to drive. They're fun to work. watch. Like they drive how a race car should drive, man. You can see them throttle up in it, rotate. They drive, I mean, you could just, that's how it should look. Yeah. Oh, by the way, I'm spot on for Hendrick doing that because I'm a big competition,

you know, and it's awesome to see. I didn't like it because we weren't in front of it, but it's impressive to see somebody do that. And I mean, that's everyone in that play, the guys in the shop are working hard and stuff, and I appreciate that effort on them. I mean, you look at

just as a team, You know, some of us knew that, some of us knew that Byron was going to be, I mean, the Larson was going to be good. Some of us didn't think so. But like just William Byron and Bowman, like, Byron's already almost got his top 10 total that he's had last year, round two. I'm not driving after the show. Bowman's already matches win total from last year. So, I mean, these are the guys that, like, they've run fast, but like Byron has took it to a whole new level. And I don't know if that's the Rudy Fugel factor or what, but, but yeah, those guys have been pretty ridiculous this year.

I feel like spot-on, spot-off is totally... Sorry. Well, Brett keeps changing the fucking topic. I know. I'm sorry, but I wanted... Hey, we're talking about Hensler. Hey, Chris, what about Justin Haley yesterday? I just wanted to give them guys credit because...

It's all good shit. I've just given up on spot on spot off. When I'm in the back room now, it's just no rules. You guys can do your thing. There's this new one... There's this new one-800 number out. Call 1-800-ciss-my-ass. No wonder I don't get invited.

It takes him six. It'll be up all night. Hey guys, this is T. Demers. Welcome to Doormember Clay. I am sitting from sitting back here. I do notice Jason actually works, so I'm quite impressed. He's probably texting, or he's just hitting the button whenever we curse. He turns the knobs a few times, so I'm assuming that's happening. I'm glad someone ended up boost working.

Freddie, what's the first way do you think of was first with F? All right, Casey, keep it on the road. Spot on, spot off. Denny Hamlin says, fuck wheels. Damn it. trying to pass Bubba for P8 with about 60 to go. What did he say?

Please don't beep out that F word. I've never heard it said like that, Jason. That's how I say it. Spot on, spot off. Freddie. Spot off. Kiss my ass. Listen, he created this monster in our meeting last week.

Nice knowing you. Because I saw him when I got to plane last night, he landed the same time we did. So him and Bubba and Michael and a couple of them. You're not on their plane anymore? No, no. And I just come walking around his plane and I see him and I said, you got a problem? He just starts laughing.

He told Lambert to hit me. But listen, he created this monster last week in our meeting because he's... That'd be the second person Lambert hit this year. He said that... That wasn't a hit. He said, last... He said, when I stayed out of Darlington on old tires, you know, I was the only one and I thought I was screwed,

but I made my mind up that I was. was going to battle my ass off and I wasn't going to let a single car get around me. So guess what? We stayed on old tires and Bubba said, I ain't let nobody get around me. I don't care if you owe my shit or not. So, I mean, we race them hard. I get, he's frustrated. He probably had to burn his stuff up a little bit to get around us.

But I mean, that's why you hired Bubba. Bubba's going to race hard. And we had to do that because if we let him go, then the 11 or the 12's up our, I mean, the 12 or the 22's up our ass. And now maybe we're going backwards. We held him off and the lap time is kind of stabilized. and we went, we restarted 8th and we ran 10th for most of that run and we lost a spot to the 41 late. But, I mean, that was going to pay off.

We gained eight or nine spots over where we were running all day. There's a lot of guys. Brett's bought off on this. There's a lot of guys that are getting their paycheck from Denny Hamlin. Wheels, Freddie, Bubba. Bubba. So it's kind of weird, right? I mean, you're literally racing your boss and there's not a lot of scenarios in NASCAR where that happens.

I just think it's funny that he calls out wheels. He called me out and then wheels too. I heard he called you out too. But like it's, that would have been better. I don't know what he was yelling at wheels about. Like, what the hell is wheels supposed to do? Well, he pays wheels a lot of money to run this race team. He's telling him to tell you to get the fuck out of the way.

Pays Freddie even more. But I mean, look, I think, I don't think Bubba's desperate, but I think Bubba needed a good run. I think he was being aggressive because of it. But you also got to be smart when you're racing because then he had a run. He squirted to the center. and when he got to your bumper, his car shot up the track.

Man, it was fun to watch on TV. And listen, I hate to say this, there wasn't a whole lot of entertaining stuff yesterday. I thought Fox did a good job of showing not the leader, right? They were showing cars that were actually racing yesterday during a broadcast and some drunk dude wearing a Chase Elliott T-shirt. But outside of that, there wasn't a whole lot. Or the Kyle Busch look alike. Did you see that guy? 42 times.

Yeah. But again, when the racing's not great, you got to show something, right? So go ahead, Chris. What do you think Joe Gibbs is thinking? why are you worried about your race car? Why not worry about that 11? Yeah. That's what hit me.

Yeah. When I seen this on here, that's what I thought. Why am I worried about Freddie Crane? I don't mean this bad. I don't. Like, I really don't. But, like, that, you got to think about it that way from Joe Gibbs. I can't just think about what the 20, I mean, the 23 blocked him.

Right. If you go back and watch it, he blocked him. But the green flags out. Like, you know, so it's like racing. He raced him. He raced him or blocked him or arrowed him. he didn't and then when you he did get back you let him go because you must have said something somebody said once he got once he got next to us we let him go like but you got to get there

first we're not just going to pull over and let you get there well Bubba had decided going into three he was going to let him go like you could tell that but like as Joe Gibbs's competition side what are they thinking why you weren't what did he pull up behind the I don't know whatever car he passed full of that 12 and call out his spot and his his crew chief I don't know I I I get I'm I'm spot on for Denny being upset at his own race car, racing him harder than the guy did that before. So I'm spot on for that because I love what Denny does and how he does it. I think he's one of the best out there right now. So and y'all's meeting to be about it and you'll move on from it.

Man, I'm, I'm, I'm spot on for racing for whatever point you can get. The only, I do think there's a. on Brett's side, I do think there is a, okay, this is, this guy's, like, made my, like, he's giving me this opportunity at some point, you know, when he does get positioned, then you make it easy, but I, like, I don't think you go from top to bottom to block. I think you maybe take some air in the middle. I didn't watch the entire battle, but make it hard, I mean, you got to protect your spot, man. I mean, like you said, you hold him off for five more laps. He might wear a stuff out. He don't get by you. So, I'm, you're there to race. So, so. No freebies until you get positioned. But it just doesn't look good because, you know, obviously there's been a couple other times and, you know, he feels like maybe you guys should have done something a little different. But man, race. You're there for that point.

Spot on, spot off. NASCAR will race at the 20-turn circuit of the Americas for the first time this weekend. Chris. 20. 20. So what was that word you just said a minute ago? Fuck. You're going to hear that a lot this weekend.

I missed that turn. What turn was that? I don't know. Are they putting numbers up in the corners? They need them. No, I love the racetrack. I think it's spot on that we're going there. I think the tail needs us.

I think we need some different scenery. I mean, obviously, I love road course racing. Last week, one of my spotters sent me some videos and some pictures. I think we might as well just not have a spotter. Honestly, I think it's going to be more of a, a race that you see emsa stuff like that you know indie car racing uh i'm spot on for going there i enjoy it i think it's going to be fun uh and then i'll let you know monday whether i liked it or not because we're running both of them i think the biggest thing as you know obviously spotter podcast

so the biggest thing is we don't have any idea i mean there's been some guys that went and they don't even agree with each other on where do we need to stand where you know some guys are saying you could see 75% of the racetrack from here and some guys are saying here so i think think on Friday, like, okay, at Darlington a couple weeks ago, one of my spotters got knocked out his truck race, and he texts me and goes, hey, look, we can't see anything. Praise that the fans are back. We got to get back up on the stand. And so I reached out to the people that I needed to reach out of NASCAR the next day, you guys were back up on the stand. So I think after Friday, you guys just got to be vocal with your people. And we are. I mean, like, Kip is kind of our

contact on that and he does a great job and it's usually fixed within obviously a day they can't move us i don't think during the race but you know i talked to kip right away and by that night before we left the racetrack i knew we were going to be back on the spotter stand um but i'm celebrating my birthday on thursday night so i don't i hope you don't want a whole lot out of me on friday well it's only we're only using one spotter on friday that makes sure that we don't stay on the racetrack yeah that's even better but it's you i'm not going bad news. Oh, I meant to tell you, that car was using seven. But, you know, like, so, and then the one thing is these guys that went that are kind of

feeding us the information on where you got to stand, where are you going to be, there was no campers, there was nobody in the infield. The track was bare, you know, so now when we go back, can you really see what you thought you saw? Hey. Hey, Noah Gragson is behind us parading and berating Chris Rice that he has $100,000. check and Chris Rice does not. Where's him beads at? Look at him.

Look at him. He's literally standing. Alex, get a picture of this. He's standing at the window, berating Chris Rice, showing off his $100,000 check. And he's grinning like a

he's eating bear. I think Chris Rice is going to moon him right now. Hey, was that a tat? Chris, was that a tramp stamp? That's hilarious. completely off the rails. Sorry.

Was that spot on or spot on? Which part? The check or your butt? Which part was that? The check or your ass hanging out? Or the tattoo? Oh my gosh. Damn.

I mean, Chris had already spent that $100,000. That's what people don't know. He was talking about meat count that it was in his bank account. I want to know. Actually, I want to know. How is, you know, for some teams it varies, how does that $100,000 work? You know, is it in the contract where some drivers

get it, some teams get it, or is it, you tell us. You can't put it in a contract because it's a bonus, right? Like, you know, it's a $100,000 bonus. And thanks to Xfinity for doing that, because that's pretty cool to race for and gives us something to talk about, but you can't put it into contract. So what we have done in the past, Matt Collick is, is one of the best at this. He's giving it to the driver, but he had advised them to give it back to the race team, not Matt Collick, but he gives it to the people that work there, the men and women.

Like every single one of them last year got the money. So like give it back to them. And the crazy thing last year, we won a couple of them. And like you're like, when does the dash for cash money come? Oh, we get it. You know, you get it with your point fund money because that's the way the exfinity works. But we had no idea. We didn't read the contract.

So we don't pay everybody out. I'm glad I got my bonus before you realized that check was going. But that's the type of thing that makes you want to work for them. Makes you want to, I mean, that's a good company and a good, that's what you want. I hope that answered it. I have no idea what we were talking about. We're talking about that 20-turn rate strike. I have a hard time spot in four turns.

I've got plenty of questions, but here's my questions about Cota. What can we see? Where do we need to stand? Are there track limits? What bars are good in Austin? Those are my own. What bars are at limits? Is this in priority order?

Yeah. No, I tweeted last night priority one. What bars are good in Austin? What I was going to say? He said, what can we see? I'm not worried about them seeing because Austin, I guess, is one of the funnest towns in America, so they're not going to better see nothing. Jeb, why are you in the gravel pit?

We can see lots. It'd be like three of Jeb. Yeah, Jeb. Which car are you? Chris, we got them outnumbered this weekend. All right, Jeb, who are you behind here? Which car are you? Well, I figure on Saturday, I'm the backup spotter, so you don't really need me to be on my A game.

And then Sunday, I got A.J. Almondinger, who don't need me at all. I mean, it's kind of like Chris is paying me to go down there to do nothing. Do you remember where we come out after we pit it at Day Day? 100th, 100. We came in seventh and go out 100th. Yeah. Be ready for that again. Okay. Freddie's changing tires. Why, is Brett changing ice what I was doing? Brett changing tires. It looked like I was changing tires. Could you imagine these two doing a pit stop?

Can we actually add this as a segment one day? Maybe Charlotte Race Weekend. Can we come over and do pit practice one day? Freddy be the Jackman. Brett probably be a carrier. This has got to be a YouTube thing, though. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Jason clean tear off or something. How many beers can we drink?

At 10 away, when Chris says 10 away, because we always count our drivers into the pit box, at 10 away, we got to do a shot of fireball. And then we go over the wall. How quick you think we could do just do the fronts here. If Freddy's jacking, Brett's carrying, and I'm doing the changing, how fast thing we can do it do with stop? What makes you think I'm good at jacking? No, I said I was jacking. Oh, yeah.

What makes you think Freddy's going to jacking? He's just a fan. He looked at his wrist. I've got my hands. Chris, can we make this happen? Yeah, absolutely. I want to be the person that whole. the sign up and that's all I need.

You're going to sit in the box like a driver's wife. Deal. Get really nervous. Oh, in the stands. I think Casey should do the tear off. Yeah, the tear off. I don't think I can read. I don't know what you're getting ready to say, but I know what we have been private?

That's why I said something to get his mind. Yep, yep. Oh my gosh. All right, so are we spot on their spot off for Kodo? Spot on. We'll see. Yeah, I mean, I don't think. I think it's great.

We're trying somewhere new. Well, like he said, we won't really know until it might be the greatest. Maybe somebody will oil down like Watkins Gwenda one time. Maybe the greatest finish ever ever. Or maybe somebody wins by 15 seconds and we don't want to ever go back. I don't know. I'm spot off because I wish I was going. I think DVC needs to do a segment at Coda or somewhere.

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I'm just going to start with this to kind of get you going. NASCAR Cup teams, the superstars, right? The super teams, if we want to call them that, they're completely vertically integrated. They build everything from top to bottom, whether it be the chassis, the body, the engine. They have control, quality control over every single part and piece to some extent that goes on that race car.

With this next gen car, all that completely goes away. So as a team owner, team president, how do you look at that, and you say, I'm okay with giving up all of this control over my own product. Because me as a business person, I struggle with that, right? And then kind of my second question to that part is, I've been a part of a lot of great cup teams that won a lot of races. And let's say Kevin Harvick goes out and he wins a race and he's in a brand new car.

The first thing you hear is we're going to build a car just like this one, but we're never able to really do that. that. So how do we take these outside vendors and make them take the place of that vertical integration the team owners have right now? It's got to be cheaper. It's easy. Bottom line. It's the bottom line. It's got to be cheaper. It's got to be more economical. So we have more owners come in. That's the bottom line. Do we, you know, change sometimes is good. I want to be very clear when I say that. Sometimes it's good. You know, we went in COVID and we started not practicing. Everybody thought that was the end of the world. We were not qualifying. Yes, we need to get cars in there. We need to be

able to qualify. But actually, that wasn't that bad. We put on some great races not having practice, you know. So this is bottom line. If it cost us right now to build a race car $100,000, if that's what it cost us. This car eventually has to be less than that for it to be a smart business decision. You look at our shop, you know, we got a ton of race cars. Now you're going have the same race car that you race at Daytona, we're going to run it at Watkins Glint. So our fleet of five to six speedway cars and five to six road course cars is cut down to one. One race car.

That bottom line right there is already good. I mean, it is already a good thing because we have six road course cars and we have six speedway cars for three teams, obviously, but you would have three cars if you were doing it three teams. So it's just bottom line. You know, and that's what every owner looked at when they decided to do it. Each owner had a say-so in this. Did they like every bit of it? Absolutely not.

Now, we're coming in, obviously, on the backside of it. We didn't have any say-so, but we're taking the benefits of a new race car because we only own two cup cars right now. We own our road course car and we own our speedway car. Built them brand new, both of them. So we're not as big a stuff with. losing as everybody else. One of the things that jumps out to me, and I don't know the answer to this, I don't

even know the question, really, but like cost concerns about, you know, you're kind of monopolizing all of these vendors. Like, you have to go to this guy for your transaxil. You got to go to this guy for whatever. Like, what kind of oversight are they going to have to keep these prices in line to where this guy that you're buying your transaxels from just can't, I mean, I've heard, I've heard rumors that this transactal budget's got to be like a half a million dollars for next year, you know, for one car. So, I mean, what kind of oversight are they going to have to

keep these costs in line? Well, they're going to know exactly what you spend. They have to submit that. And if they get out of line, so right now, the Xfinity Series has been that way with five star in their bodies for a couple of years now, and it's worked well. They asked for a price increase, but they had to ask two years in advance, and it's sent out to the teams. But every month they do a check. NASCAR does a check. Are these guys charging the guys the correct thing?

So the five-star deal was the first deal for this to be able to, you know, Xfinity Cars has five-star. That's the only body they can run. You can't make your own body. You put your own body on. So that was the first time. So they'll do checks and they'll make sure, and what I mean

by checks, they'll do kind of like a speed check. I mean, you know. When you talk about bodies, though, right now teams have complete control over the body. So you in the Xfinity Series, when you get that composite body, how much control do you actually have over what's put on the racetrack? Well, you still get to mount your body. But teams don't have complete control.

So you have to buy your roof. You have to buy your hood. You have to buy your deck lid. These are all carbon fiber pieces, not the roof, but like the hood and deck lid are. So they don't have control. The sides they have to buy. Now, they're metal so they fool with them. but now going to the composite body, you know, it's heat involved in different things.

But you have control on where your body's put, but they have this box that they have us in, and it's called a gold box. And that's why that scanner is so important. And why you hear at the beginning we always complained about the scanner, because we built right to the edge of the gold box. So if something happened, the heat or the cold or something like that, the elements of the racetrack changed it up, we were outside that gold, which was a failure. But we complained about it as race teams.

That box is small. That box is going to be a little bit smaller now because our box on Xfinity cars is pretty small. Like, you know, it's a pretty small box. Does that help competition? You said you love the Xfinity racing. I like it. That tells you right there it helps competition. Now, this car is going to struggle for the first year.

I'm going to go ahead and tell you it's going to struggle for the first year because we don't know what it needs. and I'll make a great example and you look at the Chevolets right now they struggle for one full year with that new car but now they're on point everybody's going to be in that situation next year the best teams are still going to rise to the top

right but like these cars are still going to struggle so you've got to give them a minute so I think you bring up a good point right here the Chevrolet thing when I see this car the first thing I thought is man these bodies look awesome but all three noses are completely completely different.

Somebody, correct me if I'm wrong, at a mile and a half, two-mile track, somebody's going to have an arrow advantage, right? To start with. To start with. And you see it in Exfinity Series, the Ford got a new nose last year, and Chase Briscoe and the 22 have been stupid fast. They had an advantage. We had to catch up, junior motorsports, college racing.

As Chevolets, we had to catch up, right? And we did. I feel like, you know, we combined our arrow stuff this year. with Junior Motorsports and RCR and Colleg Racing. So somebody's going to have the advantage, whether it's a Chevrolet, whether it's a Ford, whether it's a Toyota. So that's going to happen no matter what.

It's happened back in the days when Richard Petty won all the races. You know, you look at Dale Earnhardt, you know, back in those days. Yeah. So when we hear Side Force, you just talked about the Cup teams, have a lot of flexibility in our sides right now. We're taking away Side Force with this new car. When people hear that, What does that mean?

The easiest way I can explain it. And, you know, I was kind of getting beat up a little bit about this because I told it to someone, and I said, do you understand this? Roll down your window at 55 miles an hour. Stick your hand straight out the window and watch how hard it pushes your hand back. Okay. Then think about the side of the race car. They've shortened up the race car.

They shortened up the backside of it. They shortened up the front side of it to make it look more like what, you drive, like what they're selling in the showroom. So now the side is not as big, right? So like the force that is holding them from going around the turns is less. So they have to lift more. Well, the tire is going to have to be different. So the easiest way to always think about side force,

stick hands straight out the window. And as you move your hand, one way or the other changes the way how far it goes back, right? And then turn, basically take that race car and think about that wind hitting the side of it. Now the car is shorter. you know it's a lot shorter behind the real wheels it's more symmetrical i think is what the toyota guy dave said you know it's it and it is it's more like the car that you go and you buy um so that and that's what they're trying to do they're trying we're here to sell cars to the to the ordinary fan we're here to sell cars and if the car doesn't look like what he can go buy or she can go buy they're not going to

buy it so they had to do something to make them look alike and the side force thing when the driver gets center of the corner and it throttles up. That's like your hand sticking out the window. That's the whole right side of the car hitting that. That's why the quarter panels, the quarter panel sticks out the furthest too, so that's why it's super important. That's why it's a really hot topic area on a car. Yep.

Speaking of TJ and blocking. Freddie this week. Just the boss. These rear bumpers are curve, man. Like there's a lot of curves in that rear bumper. We see a lot of really hard pushing on restart. we obviously see bump drafting. What do you think these curved bumpers do, rear bumpers do?

Well, what you're not seeing behind the bumpers is about, and I don't know the exact measurement, but it's probably like a four-inch piece of door foam that you were talking about flying out of the window is basically what it is behind the rear bumper. So they're going to move a little bit more than what we have today because today the steel piece is right up against the bumper, so it's a lot harder.

Right. Now these bumpers on that car, on the new car, Our next-gen car are it has door phone basically in between the bumper and the fascia is what we call it or the rear bumper. And also they're aluminum. They're not steel. So like they're going to have a little more give than what they do today. So when Denny comes up behind the 23, he can hit him and probably not make a hole in his bumper. Okay.

You know, because it's going to have a little more give. And that's all due to. You hear that? It's all due to crashes, right? Like, we don't want drivers to get hurt. We want them to be able to, you know, walk away from wrecks. You know, you watch some of the wrecks that these guys have been in and they're walking away.

And all they're doing is getting more and more innovative because we're getting faster, right? Like, we're getting faster and we're taking more head-on hits. I mean, Eric's hit yesterday didn't look hard to the fan, but that's a hard hit because that door foam, it has no movement, has no guilt. has no give, you know, so that was a pretty hard hit. Yeah, I think we've heard, too, through the grapevine, some concerns about, you know, Williams crash and the force that he took in that wreck. And it's the product of, you know, obviously the bumper's got give, but like,

suppose, you know, through the grape find you're hearing the chassis is maybe a little more rigid. So it's not, yes, you're getting that initial give from the bumper, but then you're still absorbing a lot of the impact because the car itself is so rigid. It'll be interesting to see where they go with that, just like you said, this is going to be a trial and error deal. We're going to see one wreck and they're going to go, okay, this is what we can do to make it better. But, you know, obviously the number one concern has always been safety in our sport. Yeah, and you're speaking of the wreck that he had at California.

And we will know more about that that they're doing a test. NASCAR is doing a test. NASCAR spent a lot of money. And I know this because it's been done all at RCR. Right, right. Everything has been done at RCR. They're getting ready to do a test to know how rigid those cars really are. And they have the ability to change something, right?

Oh, yeah. And the front clips and rear clips bolt on. So to basically have a tub to save the driver. How many, you know, big wrecks have you seen that a tub was still just sitting? That driver was fine. Walked away from it. Yeah. Big wrecks.

Like an indie car. Like an indie car. Yeah. So, like, that's what they're trying to get at. And hopefully, you know, we get through the learning curve fast. The racing is good right. off the bat and it's fun to watch and we're not having that conversation you mentioned the wheels different so a couple things here what do you feel about the width of the tire and to me this is a

question for you because you're playing the Xfinity series and potentially the Cup series next year are you going to need two kinds of pit crews no no you know it was I think everybody thinks you are or at least one team thinks you wheel and the reason I say that is single lugging cup not single love and Xfinity no and it we the Xfinity series will probably suffer a little bit. You know, the pit stops will probably slow down a little bit, but I don't think you'll have, you won't have two pit crews. We can't.

We as a group, Exfinity that is, save the Cup teams a lot of money. You know what I mean? We save them a lot of. And vice versa. And vice versa. They save us a ton of money. So we both need that break to be able to make great pit stops and hit our budget. So no, I don't think we will.

Like I said, you have one team or two teams that think you. You will need a couple different pit crews, different tire changes, right? The jack stubs are still jack stubs. You're still going to, you know, all that stuff. Five lugs are one, the guy should be able to hit it. Right. Like, and if you think about it, one lug nut in F1,

and those guys actually work on a race car too. Like, so I don't know how. Like it used to be. Right. With us. How specialty they are. I don't know that. I'm probably speaking out of turn here.

So, but I know we talked to one guy, and I was standing there while we talked to him. He's used his same lug, for eight years. He's used the same lug nut for eight years. Eight years. So this guy has obviously been pitting for eight years. How many tire changes you know been pitting for eight years? Like, you know what I'm saying?

I got a question. How much is your budget for lug nuts a year? Well, we don't have, you're not only going to have eight per car. No, I mean like, what do you spend? Oh, God. It's ridiculous. It's ridiculous, yeah. It's ridiculous.

Because I, back in 2001, when I, he was, came over. over to MB2 back in the day. I was doing pit practice stuff. And they'd bring, they'd get in box, and they were a couple hundred bucks back then for just a box of lug nuts. Like, I might even have more. I don't know, but I know they were,

I can't imagine, it's thousands of dollars. Oh, yeah, it's a dollar and 25 cent for each lug nut. That's easy to figure math real quick. You know how many we go through it in pit stops. Wow. Dalling 25 cent for each lug nut. And you don't reuse them. No, you don't reuse them.

No. And you got to go through every single one of them, too, because sometimes there's little burrs in there and stuff. Because if they crossed through it and you got one loose at the end of the race, it's $5,000 fine. Well, two of them, you get a vacation. Right. And I think that's why the nine pitted on Saturday because he had a couple loose. He did.

Yeah, he did. Yeah. So I got a few more questions. Why have five speed on this car? All right. So I reached out because I wanted to know the same thing. So they're kind of following the same thing as, and I've done some study. And so I know exactly because it's, so it's basically close to the one they use.

in the Australian V8 supercars. They're six speed. And basically the internals, and you can run them longer, and it's about, you know, how long you can run them, right? And then the space inside that car is not that big. So they'd come up with a different way.

And the heat, our, you know, full speed. So you couldn't fit this transmission we run today in this new car? You could fit it, but you would have to change a casing and all different things. You know, because this car has a pan up under it.

You know, if you think about it, our cars today don't have a pan. They have what we call a pan. So basically, it's sealed completely under the car. If you've ever worked on a car, you changed oil and they got them pans. Basically, this thing's sealed front to rear because we spend astronomical money trying to make these cars as flat as we can under the bottle. Right. And hiding them and doing all this other stuff.

I noticed that at Talladega on the cup car. Yeah. They're paying. Exhausts run out of both sides. So it's fitting all this stuff in there. is the big thing. And they basically were based off of the Australian V8 supercars, you know. And it's like the internals is based off a Grand Ambox,

which is a five or six speed. So we don't know why they chose five speed, but they chose five speed. And I believe the company that is going to build them is actually moving in this development. Do you think we'll shift to a mile and a half? Absolutely. See, that's like, I am personally.

Absolutely. 100%. I'm personally against that. Maybe I don't know. I don't just, maybe it'll, I don't know. Are we going to see problems from that shifting? No. No. They're durable? Yeah, very durable. I think you'll see problems, but it's going to be stupid stuff. Like what we had this weekend, brand new master cylinder just having an issue. Random. Random stuff. I mean, you'll see problems. But those things are bulletproof.

Think about how many times those cars you've watched race and they very seldom have problems. Yeah. Like we don't have many part failures anymore. Very rarely. Very rarely. When I met you, God, man, like 1999, you've built race cars your whole life. Your dad, Alan Rice, you know, chassis builder, a big late model guy. You crew chief late models is a teenager.

Like crazy technical background. But when I met you, I think you were building shocks in a Cup Series. Are we going to see different shock packages with this car? No, you have to buy you shocks. Wow. So you don't even build your own shocks anymore. So now the shot guy's out of a job. Well, you, and I don't know this.

I don't think they've finalized this, but you'll better service them or have them service. You're going to have to clean them, check them every week. You've got to have a spring guy. So no, they're not out of a job because we still have Exfinity cars. You still have trucks. But the shot guy who went literally shock school, Penske had shock school, that's gone. Yeah, and what's so funny about it, that things we're buying for these cars, TJ, or what you would buy for your late-mast stock car?

The hyper cool springs. You know, Afco shocks. Like, I mean, it is funny, you know. And you talk about the one lug nut. The one thing I do like is an 8-inch tire. We lost side force, but we've gained in two more inches of tire. 18 inches, I said 8 inches. Sorry, 18 inches of tire.

You know, that's going to make for better racing. The brakes, everybody has the same amount of brakes. So, T.J's, you know, Penske's cars that can outbreak us at all the road courses goes away. You know, everybody has the same brakes. And all of this stuff now is you buy from the vendors. And everybody has the same stuff. You can change your setups. You can move the slugs.

You can do all that. The setups will be different, right? But like upper control arms, man, we got, I actually went and looked before I came up here. We have 247 upper control arms. We're six years into our business. Wow. You're only going to use two. You don't change them from Daytona to Watkins Glen.

So the savings is the parts, the pieces, the stuff. All right. So everything you've said, all these changes, T.J. is going to love this question. How much practice time are teams going to need next year to fine-tune this? So you're asking a guy that hates practice. Practice, not more than T.J. That I've enjoyed the no practice, but I will say we've got to groom younger kids to come through. Josh Berry, you know, a prime example.

It's taking him quite a few races to get to our. where everybody's talking about him now. I think you need 50 minutes. And the reason I say 50 minutes is two runs, a throwaway runs, right? Y'all have seen this multiple times. The racetrack's dirty. Yeah. You know, the guy missed it on his splitter.

Yeah. He's rubbing something, you know. So, like, we need 50 minutes. Do we need it every single racetrack? See, that's where I disagree. I think we need it every five races or whatever. kind of comes into that. But it's not every mile and a half, every other, every third mile and a half or something

like that. Right. And what's so difficult about that is Cup decides everybody, basically, right? Like, Cup is going to practice. Cup's King. Cup's King. And it's got to be. So the Cup cars are going to practice at Indy.

We've already raced Indy as an Xfinity group. We're going to practice. You know what I mean? So even though you don't need it. Even though you don't need it, we made a great race. there last year. It was awesome. It was an awesome race.

So now, now, you know, we're going to have to follow that, I think, throughout Cup, Exfinity trucks. But 50 minutes is a max. Good TV time and 50 minutes. I agree. That gives them 30 minutes of talk time and gives them 20 minutes of commercials. And content for the people, too. Right.

I truly think we should just do qualifying in that practice time. You know, I know they won't because they need the show, but like I don't think we need to separate the qualifying. It could be in that. You know, and then you get a, like the Indycars get, you get a certain amount of tires and that's all you get. Depends on how you want to use them. So, 50 minutes is my vote. I agree. I don't think it needs to be more than that.

But one thing, like working with Haley this year, her first laps in these tracks are in the turn one, like Darlington. Never been there before. First lap on the track, you know, it'd be nice. And that's supposed to be the beginner. You go to trucks, then Xfinity. And you need, I do think you need some practice, but I do think for years we've killed it with too much at times. Three practices a weekend. And we've proved we went to race tracks.

We've never raced at with no practice and through the green. So I agree with, I hope we work into it slowly and don't just go to Daytona and see seven practices on the schedule. You know, like I don't think we'll ever see that again. No. They're trying to, you know, they're doing a good job. trying to keep the schedule short. They respect our home life now. I think they're doing a great job with the schedule.

For sure. My question is, what happens to all these race cars? I mean, you've got hundreds. Wow. Hundreds of race cars now that are obsolete. I mean, do they trickle down to Xfinity? Do they trickle down to ARCA? What's the plan for all these race cars?

They will trickle down to Xfinity for sure. Arker, I don't know how they're going to, I don't know those race cars well enough to sit here and say. They're quite a bit different looking, aren't they? Yeah, I don't know. I think they're a little bit different. I don't know if they can use the chassis or something, but I don't know either. Xfinity, we'll have to start using them.

You know, like this weekend, the 11 car, we lost the car. So you'd just plug in another one. You wouldn't have to go buy another $25,000 chassis, you know. That's good to hear that some of them will be able to be. Yeah, so definitely we'll just float right down to Xfinity. You know, we had to buy them, but there'll be pennies on the dollar. But when you start a race team, I told Max, colleague when we was talking about this, you know for sure, you know, you sold your late models,

you sold your stuff. Once you race it one time, once you pull it off a lot, it's no warranty or it's no count that you'll get 50 cent on a dollar for it. So it's only worth what somebody's going to pay. That's right. Yep. Good, man. Well, we wanted to obviously thank you for that because we can't speak to all the, you,

you're special. I mean, I hate you. Damn, Brett. You've always been special. Did you see Noah? But there's not many company presidents. in this sport that understands the technical side of the business and works on the business side of the business.

I mean, even working with a lot of these cup teams, the business side and the racing side are completely separate. You've got both that fall under you. So thanks for coming on and recapping that for us. I think you made us smarter. Yeah, okay. And we got a few questions for fans here too. I think Casey's going to rattle off.

Yes, this first one is from Nick Wall, 79673019. How much more will it cost to run a cup car than an Xfinity car with NextGen? Wondering if it's an opportunity for teams to make the jump to cup. What do you think? It's all about the charter. Yeah, you know, that's hard to tell until we start building our cars. I hate to push it off like that because I wouldn't mind telling you.

I really don't. I don't care. I'll share numbers easily. I've been very fortunate that Matt Collegs allowed me to share numbers, but we don't know until we build the cars. You know, the tires are still going to be the tires. The travel is still going to be the travel. The only place you're going to save is on the cars.

So maybe ask me that in two years, and I can give you a better idea. I don't think the first year is going to be cheap enough for us to even talk about it. Let me ask you this, and this is probably a little bit on the other side of the Xfinity series, but how much is this next-gen car going to hurt a guy like Johnny Davis or, you know, Jimmy Means? because I know they buy a lot of tires from cup, you know, when we practiced, there was a couple lap takeoffs or whatever. They were buying tires from these cup teams. I mean, this is going to have some kind of effect on them, I'm sure.

Well, they already started seeing it this year because they can't buy those tires. And I talked to Johnny Davis last week about that. And basically, we got caught with our pants down at Darlington because they buy, you know, basically at Darlington we got five sets. They only bought four. You know what I mean? So they already shortened it. cost them man it's it's on up any hundreds of thousands more to do that so they have to cut

it somewhere else because their budgets on their their budget right whether they spend it on tires motors transmission gears whatever they spend it on they only have this amount of money to spend just like us that's all they have to spend now if we get something crazy happens we're very fortunate to have a company like collic companies to come in and help us but by the grace of god we haven't had to use that yet so but yeah they only have that amount of money so it's going to hurt them but they've already seen that happened through COVID. Next question is from Rines Robert.

With the next-gen car said to have softer tires, how long do you think tires should last? I don't think tires should last over five laps. I like the Darlington Rockingham. I think our racing is better when the tires fall off, and we can pass people. The Richmond race has continuously got better as the tire had some fall off.

I watched Justin Algar fall back to 10th last year and come back and win both races. I watched that happen time and time again. Passing. Passing makes for a fun race, but I think other people think otherwise. We used to talk about listening to Carl Edwards back in the day, and he had a, who was his spotter? Headleski. Headleski? Before him.

Hudson? Yes. Bobby Hudson? Yes. He used to tell him, all right, Carl, tire management here. Like, I would love to see a guy say some tires a little bit. and then be able to make a charge. And it was awesome to watch.

You have comers and goers at that point. You have good racing, especially in these cars out here. This last one is from KJ. Feemster. When and what will the horsepower be announced or will they run different packages like now? I don't know that I think they know what they're going to run, but I don't know that they'll announce it until January.

I do believe that the engine builders know what they're going to run, and I kind of got an idea of what they're going to run, but I would hate to sit here and say it, and then you come back in January and say, Rice, you was wrong because they've tested everything, right? I do know that. They've tested everything. They're trying to keep it.

They have a big group. I mean, Penske's helping, RCR is helping. All of the teams are helping. All of the teams. Penske just done the test at Texas, I believe. I think it was out in the public. They did that. So RCR has done the test at D.R.

done to test at Darlington with Tileretics. And I think they try a bunch of different engine packages also with this car. So I think they're trying to keep it at a certain pace. How many horsepower would you put in these cars? A thousand. Yeah. Well, yeah, I think that's different. I like momentum racing.

So when I see people, oh, I want more horsepower, I would rather have less horsepower or less drag. I like momentum racing. But I come from late-mile stock car days, right? Like, I didn't come from a super late-lake-mall day. So my idea is going to be way different than everybody else's. I like the center of the corner faster. I think it makes better race car drivers.

You know, if you can go down there and stomp on a brake, stomp on a gas, and go in a race, I just, I grew up momentum. So I would say less horsepower, less drag. To where most people are going to say way more horsepower, way less drag, you know. But if you can't use it, it's no good. I would assume, you correct me if I'm wrong, I would assume their goal would be to go with. with one engine.

Yes, 100%. Not switch back for $750, $5.50 like we have been. I would assume that they're going to try and pick something. They may tweak on it, but it's going to be one engine throughout the year, I would assume. Agreed. I mean, because the engine shops need the savings as well as the cars, right? Like, they don't need to do this $750 package in the $550 package. They don't need to do that.

I mean, they're total different engines, right? Like, they're total different engines. And so, yeah, they want to do that. And I think what they're trying to do is say we run a 31 flat at Texas. they don't want to be a 40-second lap. So I think that's what they're working on on all these racetracks also with the engines. I think the racing the last two weekends

I like what I've seen in the cars more. Maybe you can see the cars walk around more with the package that we've ran at Darlington and at Dover. You can see the guys fight it. I like seeing the guys have to work. We saw plenty of guys sideways off the corner yesterday. And you see guys get loose at Darlington too more than we have. and actually the air is a tool to use for the guy behind with this package as well.

With the other package, we've seen guys drive right in on somebody's bumper with the 550 like at Kansas, and the guy can't even tell. Like, can't even tell he's there. And that's hard to pass. So I like this being cut away in half. Because the guy can use his, you know, the air is his advantage. I'll back some, too, if he gets close enough.

That's one thing on those cars. They have what they call the Dufus. in the back or the fins and they got fins in the front that's going to try to change the air so they can get to them. My diffusers broke. It just goes back to me on this car because I know how racers are. And if Chase Elliott starts kicking everybody's butt, you're going to wonder if he got the same stuff you got. Because it is being bought from an outside vendor. There's not a lot of in-house control.

You used to be a manufacturing facility and an assembly facility. and now, Chris, are you just really assembly? Assembly, yeah. That's a very good point. Very assembly, very mechanic-oriented, yes. I mean, because they paint the cars. They come paint it. Wow.

The chassis come paint it. And it's a certain style paint, yeah. Sign me up. Yeah, it's a certain style paint that you can't fool with, right? Like, because, dude, we all try to push the limits. So we get a chassis, and we're going to try to do it. do something to it. Well, they got to figure out how to not let that happen. I don't mean this in a derogatory way, but I've always said the teams are smarter than NASCAR,

and the teams are always a step ahead of NASCAR. Don't you think you're smarter than the cop that sitting there getting ready to get you? Absolutely. Brett thinks he's smart and everybody. Yeah, you're asking the wrong guy. I'm going to drink to that. Cheers. Beer number seven. I'm just going to shut my mouth because I'll get myself in trouble for responding to that comment. Will that reaction theater speak to that? Yes. Time for a reaction theater. Brett, you're awesome. Keep telling it how it is.

TJ, I like you, but can't stand here your driver. I can't wait to watch you guys choke away another championship. Freddie, I guess you need to say more lovey-dovey with your car owner so you guys can get better equipment because you guys are really sucking this year. And Casey, well, I didn't know who the hell you were, but I found out who your husband was

when I went to my only Arka race back in 2012 in Kansas, I saw him flipping on lap two. I think he won. That guy only likes me. I think he won a Kansas. No, he actually likes me, but he hates my driver. Oh, yeah, that's true. Yeah.

I couldn't do anything wrong. I could wreck every car in the field, and it was justified. Now you go, and you lead every lap, or you hold a Kevin Harvick off for 45 laps with a 3-10s fast-relap car, and you're the worst driver in the world. I just don't know if you're keeping good company in that comment. So Joey, by the way, so this, Joey gets stopped this weekend, and they're like, hey, I listen to the, he calls me and tells me, they say, hey, this fan comes up to me. I listen to the DBC. It's my baseball coach. Was it?

Yes, Kevin? Yes. Did he see Joey? Yes. I have a picture. Yes. Oh, nice. Well, he goes, yeah.

So, hey, I love the show, but he said something like I like you or something, but I don't like TJ or something. So I thought that was nice. But I don't understand. Listen, I have zero. Joey's been really good to me. But, like, him and I have texts back and forth now. Like, Joey's probably, he smiles all the time. He finished fifth the other day or six other day.

smiling. So he's on, I don't, I don't get it. If you actually, I'm telling you, he races hard, he races for every single spot. And as somebody that works from him, you can hate me all you want because I enjoy working with that. So can you read what it says under the picture with Kevin and Joey. TJ sucks. Yeah. Who's next? Next one's from Pat. Brett, my man, I got to say, I'm pretty disappointed in you. Went down there to page them to do some work. Ask the lady if she knew who you were She said she'd never heard of you You're going to be running for mayor down there

You got to step it up You got to get TJ and Freddie You put some flyers out there Maybe Jason do some networking Got to get this rolling man You got to step it up What an idiot Pat I said I was running for governor

I didn't say I was running for mayor I think he was mayor He said he slept with the mayor I hope not He knows the mayor Oh he knows the mayor Something like that You all better keep the cocktail weenies away from Kyle Larson

Because he'd probably choke on that too What the fuck Sounds like I got him out of bet on Kyle Larson yesterday I'm gonna go in and smoke a lot of weed right before he called us I never saw Kyle really get past so I don't really I mean other than on pit road which All she does is drive down on a speed limit make the stop and come out Really blame that on Kyle

Well I hate having to do this. Justin, but you are the biggest idiot. All Gary, you were just holding up Barry the whole freaking run. Cost him the chance, and then you let that's had Cindrick win the dang race. Guy wasn't even fast. He was top 10, but he wasn't fast. Josh Barry, man, you deserve a cup ride for sure.

Give this man a ride. TJ, I love you. Fred, Freddie, Brett. Y'all are a bunch of idiots. Damn. Well, that guy's in a minority. I mean, we're the idiots, but Cynjic, what do you run? Top three all race, I think?

Yeah, he wasn't that good. He struggled early on, but it was dirty air, right? It didn't take him long. He worked his way slow. He would come forward the entire time. Jacob, it's not f***ed head, it's penis head. You get more last when you say it that way. And Beazzy, I don't know if Josh is ready for a cup ride quite yet.

He's running good at Xfinity, but I'd like to see him run a full year in Xfinity in a solid car. See how many wins he can knock off. You know, T.J., I've always liked Lugano, and after listening to this podcast, I'm even more of a fan of him. Love you, T.J. Love you, Lugano. And Brett, you suck. Why you ask? Well, you suck. And blow. Aggressive. These are some strange people. TJ, you're getting a lot of love.

I know, man. What's the deal? I was fair to say you had one guy like you, but the rest of them are pissed off. You ever notice when we have run in on the track, there's like 35 calls that say we suck and, you know, Whenever we just ride around quietly in fifth or get a speeding penalty running top five-ish, nothing but love. Does that go through your mind during the race that you just need to be irrelevant? No. No, actually, it kind of makes me mad that because normally whenever we're involved in, we're doing something good and, you know, racing hard was exciting, you know. But I know no matter what, like people are going to diet like you say, I don't know what Joey's done, but what?

Whatever he does is wrong. Smiles too much. I guess. Four cars that are... Why these cars would even dingle one of them. I would be spotting for a... Like Joey Lugano. There it is.

And I would never be more embarrassed complaining all the time. I wonder what cars he's talking about. Brent tweeted about it yesterday. Could you miss it? I got a buddy that can't spot Exfittalier. Sorry, Casey. You can't see those.

I got a buddy that can't spot Exfinity right now. AJ is not my buddy, but he can't spot Xfinity either right now because they won't let him. They won't let the Penske spotters go out and compete against their own car, which, I mean, last year, Chris Rice asked me to spot for AJ. I'm a dinger part-time. I wouldn't do that and compete against Ross Chastain, which was a sponsor I was affiliated with. But literally, I had a conversation with him, and I was like, hey, he says, man, I think I can go spot for Exfindly. I was like, there are 12 drivers in that field that I would spot for. I don't need a paycheck bad enough to go spot for a guy that doesn't want to win

and a team that doesn't want to win. I'm only going to spot organizations that want to win. And look, we're all at different points in our career. But the Chris Rice that I know, you wouldn't have spotted for one of these guys that can't drive. Well, I did spot for Buckshot Jones. I love you, Buck. But it's because he was a good guy. And he could win in the Bush series.

Right, and we were competing. It wasn't like we were going to ride a rail. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So you know what? I've sent in like six or seven freaking little things in here

to door bumper clear because I had funny shit to say and what happens Jason doesn't choose my stuff because I'm not cool enough I've tried kissing his ass I've tried saying funny crap So here it goes

Jason you suck I like it You just wanted him to make the show You just want to go Robbie Welcome to the club Take your seat over there on the king All right last one Hold on a second.

This headline says Jeb with a song for Freddie. Is this Jeb Burton? I don't know. Guess we'll find out. No way. Oh, Freddy's unlucky man. Bubba hits the wall every chance he can. Last week it cost a hundred grand.

Couldn't afford to pay the gas can. Man. Looks like we should run good. Well, we barely outrun John Wood And Michael's mad Because we run bad And it's one more week to kiss Denny's ass Oh, Freddy's a unlucky man

I don't think that was Jeff Burton And that might be a new contestant for the National Party I think he'd be a great candidate It's the same guy that played a song last week So it's two weeks in a row Did you hire somebody for that event yet? Not yet. Not yet.

We're going scouting. You guys like my boy's song. Offer pad. Question of the week. What's your favorite spot in your house and why? Chris, what do you think? My favorite spot in my house is what I call my son room. RPG room.

What is called? Brett's got one of them. His kids are in it. Zero TV in there. It's where I keep all the trophies at, all my daughter's trophies. and everybody's trophies in there, and I just can go in there and sit and look at the ponds out back. That's my favorite room.

You got a pond? Three. Three ponds. And a pool. T.J., he's got a pool. I got a pool. Yeah, I'm jealous. I love it.

When I sell my house with offer pad, I'm going to move somewhere with a pool. I think you should do it now. I might. Mark, it's hot. I might. Don't. There's a house for sale by me with a pool.

Don't tell my wife. No, you're in another tax bracket. That's a different tax bracket. Me and Freddie are over here. We're in a tax. It's a tax day. It's a tax day. Yeah, me and Freddie are in the 1115 over here.

My friends make fun of me being in a 1117. Yeah, we're in 115. Don't even talk about it. Old Joe Burge, he sent me my numbers last night and I threw up. Well, it's tax day. We got to pay the man. I'm well aware. I paid a lot of men, let me tell you.

When you sent me that first number, I fell down for you. So I don't know what you did after that. You know, I was telling him for the show next year, where when this Green Act passes, you get a $7,000 credit, supposedly, if you have an electric car. Well, the reason he's telling me is I pull up and he gets out of a Tesla. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. I can't even spell Tesla much less buy one. You don't have to spell it. I can't even afford one stock, one, one share. No wonder you don't have a pool. That's different. Yeah. He's driving around in his pool.

Yeah, he's running around the pool. Did he play his ice cream music for you when you got there? I'll show you when we get out there. So it's pretty awesome. Tab Boyd, who spots for William Byron, he's got a pickup truck, and he just bought the lining to be able to put a pool in his pickup. I saw that. So maybe you need a pool with a pickup.

Maybe I just need to sell my house with an offer pad. You damn sure can't put a pool in a Tesla. No. No. I feel like people who work in our sport that drive Tesla's are hypocrites. Why is it? Oh, because we're just against like the... We make a living on fuel.

Listen. But wait a minute. Wait a minute. You're talking to the guy that's probably one of the best I races there he is. So I don't know that his race car really has a motor. It has a PC. Yeah, you just charge it. Right, you just charge it.

But I will say this. The reason I did it is because it's so much more convenient when you run kids at school and you run to just plug your car and stop. They don't go local. They go down, they go to not Davis & Day, but community school. Oh, 25 grand a year. Across the school from that. Trust me.

The truth's coming out. When I take my island to school and I have to leave all the Davidson Day kids park, and they are parking in Land Rover's, Mercedes. Tesla's. I probably was. There probably is, actually. But these are like 16-year-old kids getting out of these cars, and I'm like, whew.

So, yeah. Brett, what's your favorite room in your house? Oh, man. RAPG room. Right now it is the RPG room, man. I go in there and I bought this electric couch. that'll like let you pick a couch. Hold on.

Don't wait. No, it doesn't vibrate. It'll just let you pick how far you lay it back. Like you can, you know how sometimes you get on them couches? I can't have a lot of your car, but you can have electric couch. Which one is dumber than the old?

Just thing coin operated? I was going to say to say. It's got a little hoppy horse right beside of it. Goet it up. No, man, I got a, I got electric couch in the RPG room. I got all my bourbons in there. That's probably my. Hot spot. I tell you what isn't my favorite room right now is my bar because my ice maker's broke and I have to go to food line every day and buy a damn $3 bag of ice and stick it in my cooler outside. Wait, ice break? The ice maker's broke. My ice maker broke.

You all want to know something funny? Every time somebody walks by and waves and we're back, Casey's got to go like this. I mean, even when I'm sitting at the table, I have to stand up because I'm just short. I have pho-o-o-o-frey. Freddie, favorite room? Workout room? My living, yeah, my gym. Jim? Who the fuck is Jim? I got another brother that moved in. Jim Kraft? Probably living room, big ass couch. That's usually what you can find me.

Justin Algar's out here signing tires. You got to see that? He walked by and waves. Times are getting tough. We've got to sell some money. Who's taller? Who's taller? Casey boat or Justin Algar?

Justin maybe by a half inch. I can confirm Justin is taller. It's close, though. Really? I didn't know that. when I'm off the track. Or he does appearances. Go get a cash offer on your home today with our presenting sponsor, Offerpad.

Offerpan. We'll be in touch. Don't tell my wife. That time again, where we discuss our favorite X-Finity X-Fi more than fast moments. Whether you're on or off the track, speed isn't the only thing you need. What were your favorite more-than-fast moments this week? There's only one right answer. Alex Bowman's pit crew.

Holy cow. Lights out pit stop. Over a second faster than Kyle Larson when it counted. Regardless of what you think, that's why he won that race. If he doesn't come out first, there's no way he wins that race. Congratulations, guys. Awesome. Well done.

It's hard to argue with that. Justin Fiedler, one of my old pickery guys on the 43, he said they timed it at 113. I mean, 113, 114, that's ridiculous. But maybe not the pit crew itself, but my more than fast moment was Lugano. making that extra pit stop. We had a short run, half the field stayed out

or have to leave that car stayed out. Then we had another short run, and just about everybody but Joey stayed out, and then he busted through the field and drove right to the front. Obviously, had a good car, but the fresher tires helped also. Great spotting as well, Freddie. Nah. He overcame the spotting.

My Exfinity more than fast moments. It's going to be Josh Barry's pick-a-move to get by Justin Allgaier to win that $100,000 check. I think Del Jr.'s got a lot of them laying around. I think we need a race. I know he does. We need a race. Chris is well aware.

Does that trickle down to the show here? It's got to at some point. If you were in charge here, Chris, would you like push it on to this too? Oh, yeah. I'd give you all 50 cent or two. Wow, that's 25 cent more than we get now. We like it fast here on door bumper clear, but what we really like is being more than fast. Thankfully, there's always tons of actions for our Xfinity X-5 more than fast moments.

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It's a great platform that lets us hear from the fans in reaction theater with Anchors leave a message feature. So when you create your account with Anchor, you can also utilize their feature and make your own podcast. TJ will be your first guest. So download the free Anchor app or go to anchor.fm to get started. That's A-N-C-H-O-R dot FM to get started. What an idiot, Brett. Who you got? I want to go first because this is going to be fun.

We saw a fight breakout at Tri-County Speedway. It's on the internet. I retweeted it. And this dumb-ass lady walks over and grabs a torque wrench and proceeds to go to town on this guy. I don't know where she was hitting him, but you can't do that. In his back. She gets my, what an idiot. He was a security guard.

She was beating the piss out of this guy. Oh, I didn't know. Having been a part of a lot of bar fights, having picked up a beer bottle before, and having used it and having going to jail for it, I speak from experience. You can't do that. And not only did she do it, like she assessed the situation, she looked for a weapon, she went and grabbed it, and then she proceeded to beat the shit out of this guy. And every swing got harder.

Like the first couple was like a whack, and then all of a sudden we had two-handed double, like a tomahawk. Chris, you knew people in that fight, right? I think I knew about everybody in that fight. I know. I was going to say he probably did. They're his friends. And I was watching something on Twitter last night. I backed off, but they made me laugh because they were like doing play-by-play of this fight.

It was so funny. I think it's Landon Huffman that was part of that. Oh, yeah. But, yeah, I watched that. And I think I was. I was a-surface he wasn't in it. I know it. Well, he got wrecked on the first lap if you watched this video.

I can't use that language. But he said somebody wrecked him on the first lap. But I sent you that video, I believe, early in the morning, you were still. You did. You were still. You were still. I was recalibrating. Yeah.

And so I went back and watched it time after time after time, and she picked that torque crunch up. It was sitting at a buddy of mine's car that was sitting there with the hood up. The torque wrench was at the right rear wheel. She picked this torque wrench up and found somebody to start swinging at it. Like, it was amazing. If you look, it's another girl on top of the pile. Oh, yeah.

Like, I ain't never seen nothing to beat in my life. Girls can be crazy. Solid chance. She from Pagelan? Solid chance. They were, that late mile stock deal was all over, you know. So I had to represent with CE Falk this week because it took me right back to that when I go to these shirts. But, I mean, yeah, I was laughing my eyes off, Landon Huffman, Moonhead, those clowns.

Like, just their, not only the video, not only the video, but the play-by-play. It's on their windshield. If you follow Windshield Deep's Twitter. I'll take a look at it. It's on Twitter. Look up Land and Hoffman or Winchield Deep podcast. It's a whole page that you can see. So they got to fighting on the front straight away after the first race.

We get the fighting these two drivers and crews and dads. dad's, I think, more than, it was a dad more than it was a driver. Yeah. And they get to fighting. And it was like three people after this one guy. And he took all them out. If you watch the first fight on the front straight away, he took, did he not? He took them all out.

Then I do believe they were in a pits that was not either one of theirs. Yeah. And then that fight, the second one into pits was just, what a bunch of idiots. I said, Elliot text me. He texted me after I sent it, me and you were talking to him. Yeah. And I said to him, I said, stupid. I guess I should have said, idiots.

He said, that's why I can't run late mile racing. I'll get out and somebody want to fight me for 25. You're hitting a head with a torque wrench. Yeah. I mean, yeah, I think we know who was in the fight. I try pretty hard to be transparent on Twitter with my personality, although I can't let it all. Really? Really?

Casey wouldn't know. I wouldn't know. That's . . I do wish sometimes, I do wish sometimes that fans could see our text messages with in the industry. Because yesterday I was texting Dell Jr. About something, a graphic that I saw in Bubba Wallace's in-car camera,

which Jason was kind enough to share with me. After Elliot asked me, what is that, like where the driver notes go? So drivers have notes like typically where your son visor would be, right? So there's just a lot of times I wish fans could see me and TJ texting back and forth or me and Freddie because it's pretty inside stuff. Me and Freddie and TJ last night,

you know Michael Perkins, right, Chris? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. He sent me a picture of Sterling. I haven't seen him in years, man. He sent me a picture of Sterly Marlin last night. And I shared that with Freddie and T.J. And we basically came to the conclusion that Sterling Marlin is the best storyteller in NASCAR.

And we got to figure out a way to get him on door bumper clear. That can be done. I can call him. I talked to Sterling at Nick Harrison's funeral. And, you know, Sterling's not been doing that way on. I don't think he's doing that well now. But he is still funny as he was, like, back in the day, telling funny stories. He's the best.

Did you know I spotted for him a little bit? You're that old. That old. I did him begin racing stuff. Oh, boy. Into his career. Yeah. Yeah.

Funny guy. Hilarious. All right. Who's your one idiot, T.J.? I mean, it's hard not to double up on that because you can't be doing that. Like, massive, massive complications whenever you start swinging a torque wrench. And I'm really sort of. surprised that woman didn't just get the jack handle and swing it away. I thought it was at first because

I just saw her go over there to car and I tweeted that for the first take on it. Like when you swing that torque ran, she's getting more more thrust with that thing and being in a short. It's like choking up on the bat man. She's like, I mean, swinging the jack handle would be like, guy would probably be able to move, but she's clubbing this dude on the ground. So I do believe she was kin to the guy in a white suit. I do believe that. Yeah. Yeah.

I don't know which, which, I don't know who to place the blame on with this, but my one idiot comes from the Friday Archer Race at Dover. I don't know if it's good year. I don't know if it's the crew chiefs, but I feel like every year they have right front tire issues and this Archer race at Dover. Oh, yeah. I'm sorry, good year. General tire.

General tire, yeah. So sorry, I apologize to good year. You're not idiot. It's somebody, a general tire, or these crew chiefs pushing a limit too far. But every year, I feel like this Dover, this Dover-K-N-Slas-Arker race has... Did you spot? No, I didn't do it. Okay.

But nonstop blown right front tires. And somehow, eventually, this has got to get fixed. But the only good thing that came out of it was, did you see Ty Gibbs tweet after this Archer race? Do you even know anything about it? They were just constantly blown right front. The guys had to ride around and take care of their stuff. But Ty Gibbs tweeted, as he's leaving, the general tire display. They got a big blow-up tire, and it was, like, half deflated.

And he's like, even this tire couldn't stay up or whatever it was. And I was like, that's a win for Twitter today. Yeah, that's pretty good. I'm sure it's a little both. Oh, I'm sure. Probably cambered up so it turns. Forever. Like, as long as, I mean, we won an Archer race there, or Canaan race there in, like, 2010.

We were running second, and Moffitt blew it right in front of us. So it's 10 years in running that this is a big and a problem. A lot of heavy loads. Dover on that right front. I don't know that you want me to... I got a lot of idiots out this weekend. Pick one. One good one.

Man, one good one. Hey, you want to call that guy out that wrecked you in that league? We could just call him out. No, we won't call him out. The best part is Rice wrecks this guy on purpose. And then Rice tells him we ain't done yet. Oh, my God. I've done it because Dugger kept agging me on to keep messing with him.

He sent me a private message. Because I don't care. I can't keep up with you guys anyway. It's just a lot of fun. But I would say the one idiot is, it shouldn't be a one, but a group of idiots says that group that you've seen all the fighting in L.A. Maude Stock cars have been fighting for two years now. What a bunch of idiots. Quit fighting. Don't do it in a park lot somewhere and out of the racetrack. Don't grab a torque wrench.

Try it to be on camera. Just leave. Get out. Just quit. Don't go to the same racetracks. Multiple racetracks. Go to the park and have a brawl like something. Don't do it at the rate.

You're just getting suspended. I might have messed up because on Sirius XM last week, I said we needed a bunch of fighting at Dover. Good work. This is all your fault. We're crying out laughing. We got it. All right, DBC picks. Freddie.

Layed up in one. Oh, my gosh. Complete luck. Ross Chastain beat Kyle Bush and Truex. Who would have thought? You couldn't have got any luckier than what you did. My guy's leading the race and knocks the nose in. My guy blows up lap two.

Yeah. I mean, who, oh, by the way, is the second best driver in a field at Dover. One should just get erased. If two guys have issues like that, it should not even count. No. No. Well, I finished last. I'll take AJ Amadinger, Rhode America.

I'm at Cota. I'll take him to Rhode America, too, if I can have him there. TJ, who you're picking? Oh, man. It's kind of who I wanted, but this is going to be a shoot. I want. This is really hard, man. You still got to be a.

I got Ty Dillon. That's a good point. Fine. I'll take Cendrick. He's not racing. I thought he is. No. Thought he had all road course the rest of the year.

Oh, it's not this one. Why'd you save him right there? Sure let him happen. Oh, I'm sorry. It won't matter. Balikki. Bullick. I think the track's too big.

I think. Hell will it. I'll go down. I'm pretty sure he's racing. All right, Chris. I thought about it. Chris ain't picking? I can't pick.

Freddy picks. Freddie picks. I guess I'll take Chase Elliott. That was my pick until I realized I already choose him. Yeah. What I chose Chase, he ran a solid 21st. Good job. That's a good pick.

You could have picked. Didn't Christopher bail win at Daytona? Yeah. Yeah. What are you saving him for? But he also, Kyle Larson also wrecked himself to give him that position. So, I mean, it was a good run for him, for sure. He was just, that was a mess into that race.

It was whoever got through the mess. I'll tell you, if I had to pick, I would say Blaney's going to be tough. I think Blaney will be good. That would be my, I think he's going to be tough. Being that many corners, I'm going to go with McDowell just because of his past roadcourse experience and being such a big track and probably adapt to it. We've had AJ on the simulator probably three and a half months now. Wow.

probably tired of it. And he says turn one is going to take out a lot because it's a blind corner. Really? Yeah. He says that's going to be tough. And he says you're pretty fast up through the, I don't know what he called him. He said that's going to take out a lot because you start pushing the limit. You know, on simulators, the tires stay new.

They don't fall off. He says, man, when they start falling off, it's going to be a lot of people off. I've always said Watkins Glenn, turn one to me is the hardest corner of NASCAR. It's fast. It's downhill braking. And it's where I see more guys wreck than anywhere else we go. Like, I mean, when we get to Wockes Glen, we're going to see six or seven guys. It's not going to bring out six or seven cautions because there's runoff.

But we're going to see a lot of guys wreck. So it's cool to go to a place unknown where you hear a driver like AJ Almondinger, who is a superb road course racer say drivers are going to struggle here. Yeah, term one. He said term one is going to be tough. Four and five of Sonoma is pretty back in the old layout, not the carousel do. I think it's four and five, the right-hander than the other right-handed back through the S's. Yeah.

Those are the one where they hit the curb and always get them pitchers and stuff. That's a pretty tough corner as well. Hey, but we want to give a quick shout out to our buddy Tyler Underwood. A man after my own heart, he's a short track racer from California. He's an avid listener who lost his mom recently, so we wanted to say we're thinking about you, Tyler. Keep your head up, bud. Chris, thank you so, so much for joining. You are welcome anytime.

You hear that, Brett? Anytime. If you would like to replace Brett, please. We had to get you in studio, bro. We couldn't do it on the same. That's right. We had to get the COVID stuff lifted. I'll come back after the play.

I'll start so I can see. And I'll bring $100 to whoever's leading y'all's pick. I ain't going to be me. What about, can you just bring me $100? I sure can. Thank you. Casey, when are you going to bring a chick-fil-a since you complain about having all those bonus points? You know what?

I stopped because y'all, like, can bring me breakfast. But you don't show up on time. That's your husband's job. I do show up on time. Even he knows you're right all the time. Yeah, that's true. Why doesn't Chad bring your breakfast? Because he's

He's very busy. He's busy having fun. He's busy. He's busy. Jonathan was there and I walked in and surprised him. All right. I got to go hang out my friends. I mean, go to work.

Yep. Yep. I walk and I was like, oh, so this is why you're home late every night. Anyways, thank you guys so much for listening. As always, enjoy Coda and... Somebody tell us where to go in Austin. Please.

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