Door Bumper Clear - 223 – Allen Bestwick: Never Say Never

Episode Date: July 19, 2021

Freddie Kraft, T.J. Majors and Jason Schultz are in studio after a wild and wet Sunday at New Hampshire Motor Speedway and a hot week of silly season news. Plus, fresh off the Superstar Racing Experience season finale at Nashville Fairgrounds Speedway – legendary racing broadcaster Allen Bestwick joins the show.Freddie and T.J. made it through the rain and darkness in New England to share their reaction to the events that went down in the NASCAR Cup Series race. Hear what they were feeling on the roof and what their drivers were reporting in the cars when NASCAR decided to start the race under a heavy mist condition.Then, when the track became too wet and Kyle Busch, Martin Truex Jr., Denny Hamlin, and others slid sideways into Turns 1 and 2, find out how they reacted and how they navigated their drivers through the treacherous conditions. What decision making broke down to allow the field to race into the wet corners? What could be done differently to prevent a similar situation in the future? The spotters weigh in.After crashing, Kyle Busch gave the pace car a few bumps to show his displeasure at the officiating. Hear what T.J. and Freddie thought when they saw that happen and they share whether or not they believe Busch will be penalized.A last-minute decision to not apply traction compound to New Hampshire’s surface impacted a lot of teams plans on Friday night. Hear why that was and how everyone felt about the racing without the added substance on the track.Contact between Ryan Newman and Quin Houff sent the No. 00 spinning into Turn 3. Hear what harsh words Houff had for Newman afterwards and whether the crew thinks Newman did it intentionally.NASCAR called the race approximately eight laps early due to darkness. The spotters share whether they thought the race could go the distance and how truly dark it was at the time. Plus, they address NASCAR making the call to decide when to display 10 laps to go anytime in the final stage.Harrison Burton was named as Wood Brothers Racing’s next driver last week, as he replaces Matt DiBenedetto. Hear how DiBenedetto expressed his frustration with the situation in a video later that day and why the guys are confused that he was surprised to hear this decision.Team Penske named Austin Cindric the driver of the iconic No. 2 car beginning next season, officially placing Brad Keselowski in the free agent market. Find out what Keselowski asked for in contract negations and what news is expected to drop regarding his future this week.Next, Allen Bestwick joins the show after his return to motorsports broadcasting this summer on tour with SRX. Hear about his beginnings behind the microphone, how an early connection in racing ultimately led to the SRX gig and what approach the broadcast crew took in this new venture.He shares about the all-access experience SRX showcased, unique broadcast elements they incorporated and what the future holds for the series.Then, he talks big NASCAR moments he was a part of including the 2001 July Daytona race and memories working closely with Benny Parsons.In Reaction Theatre, a Larry McReynolds impersonator calls in, fans are angry with the No. 22 team, and now callers are leaving song requests.Then the gang shares their plans for NASCAR’s summer break. Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Door, bumper. What's up, Freddie Craft here, and you're listening to Door Bumper Clear, presented by Offerpad. We're back from a crazy day in New Hampshire. We're going to have Alan Beswick jump in to join us, talk a little bit of SRX and some NASCAR calls. We're also going to talk about the leaders wrecking in the ring, calling the race early, no traction compound, and the big news from the Wood Brothers and Team Penske. Let's get started. Nobody's listening, but I don't care.

I'm on an episode. of door bumper clear Hey everybody I'm T.J. Majors. It's part of the 22 cup car only this weekend. Single guest in the house this week. I mean where's everybody at? I don't know. What's up? Freddy Kraft. Spotter for Bubba Wallace.

Jeff Burton this weekend. And I don't know where everybody went. There's nobody here. Apparently. Just us and Jason. Apparently they're both in the same place though, right? Yeah. Well, Brett's on vacation. I don't know where they hell he went. He's probably in banana land or some shit. But I think Casey joined him there. I don't know. I forget where they said they were going. Brett's flights only cost like $1.2 million to get down there.

I mean, if you knew what this clown spent on his vacation, he better have the time of his life. I can promise you that much. But, yeah. I mean, yeah. I mean, this guy, I realize, I understand this guy semi-retired from spotting. I did not realize he's semi-retired from podcasting as well. I thought he was, I thought he'd be joining this little more this year. We give Casey a lot of flack for being late missing shows, but I think she's made more shows than Brett. Oh, 100%. Definitely in studio.

I mean, I feel like Brett's only, he's batting about 400 this year. Brett lost some credibility when he started texting us all at 4 o'clock in the morning after Daytona, I think it was. And, you know, he's like, I talk about this. By the way, I'm not going to be there. Like, that was a, that you was on a spur of the moment thing, wasn't it? That was, yeah, spur of the moment. He's on his own schedule.

Well, you know, and he's... Well, yeah. He did the same thing last night. And he's talking about he can't, you know, he's got no internet so that he can't zoom in. But I see him already tweeting this morning, so things can't be that bad. There is zero chance where Brett's going and does not have internet. You know as well as I do. There's no chance that it doesn't have internet.

Yep. So anyway, Loudon. You had a hell of a day yesterday. Yeah, I think we passed the field four times maybe. Yeah, that wasn't ideal. we had a problem right from the very beginning of the race with the throttle linkage. I guess he just felt spongy and he wasn't sure if he was getting full throttle, which could be an issue.

So it's something that we had to address at some point. I don't know if we, I don't know if that's the way we intended to address it, but that's the way he got dealt with. So we had a really good car too from the beginning of the race before the little rain shower hit there, we went from like 15th to 6th. I mean, we got a couple of them from one and two there. But still, I mean, again, I mean,

I could tell it was a good car because he could get down underneath people and just drive off the corner. When you get under the people at Loudoun, that Loudoun and can still complete the pass, you know, carry a good run down in a straightaway, your car's pretty strong. And that's what I saw in the very, you know,

the first four or five laps there. It's just unfortunate that, you know, they're, I don't know, it's just hate that we, that it got, I don't know, I don't know anything about it yet. So I just, you know, it's put us in a hole to begin with. And kind of always seems like that happens when you have a car as good as that. It's always like something kind of happens to make your day super hard. It's really hard. It's really hard to complete those races sometimes when you have a car that good. But I definitely felt like we had a car that could have competed up there in the top four,

especially on a late race restart or something. We were able to hang on and to pass as many cars as we did. I hate being in that situation because when you line up in the back, you don't have any choice but you have to go hard. You can't sit around and wait because when the leader start lapping cars, you've got to try to get to them too so you can be the lucky dog. We were right on the verge of it a couple times, and then the 14 stalled out of turn four

and ended up being a straightaway in front of the leaders and he got lapped and it was like, I mean, just kind of one thing after another. But we were able to fight back and make a solid finish out. I would have liked a green-white checker at the end, though I think that would have been interesting. Yeah, for sure. All the Penske cars were good yesterday.

Seems like a lot of the forwards had speed. We talked about on here last week where they were, they've been struggling lately, and they found something yesterday. I don't know if it was a little love from somewhere or, you know, you got the Penske car, I mean, not the Penske cars, the Hensk cars just haven't been the same since we heard of those rumors of, you know, NASCAR maybe messing with their noses a little bit. Really haven't heard much from them.

Definitely haven't been as dominant as they were. Unfortunately, all the fast Toyota's all wrecked, you know, 18 and 19 wrecked. Bell was good at the end. Danny was good at the end, but he had an issue with a lug nut sticking behind the wheel there, so he had to come in for a second pit stop. But the Ford's definitely showed out yesterday. And, I mean, talk about flipping the playoffs. on its head. Double A goes out there and wins the race and now you've got, now you've got Redick

and Austin Dillon teammates competing with each other, five points of difference for that last playoff spot. Yeah, I don't, this playoff system now is we're getting, um, crunch time is, is real. Like this is supposed to be a relaxing couple off weeks, but it's not going to be for a handful of people. You know, there's guys, there's got, you know, T, you know, Reddick and, and Austin and, and, and, and, And, I mean, even Harvard's got to be thinking about it a little bit. You know, he's got, and he's, he was actually really good yesterday. That's one of his better tracks, too, but he was really good. But, man, you look at these races coming up.

What do we got, Watkins Glen, Michigan, Daytona? Indy Road Course. Indie Road Course. I mean, you're throwing some wild cards in there. I mean, especially, just look at Daytona alone. The guys that, think about the guys that aren't in the playoffs right now, you're talking, Busher, Stenhouse, De Benedetto, Bubba, Newman, Priest.

These are all guys that run really well at plate races that could very easily go out there and steal a win at Daytona. And now you're talking about bumping out both of the RCR cars. And if somebody sneaks and went out of the road course, there goes Kevin Harvick. And honestly, yeah, I mean, it could get really interesting.

And that's what this system does. So that's what it was built for. And, you know, this is coming out of the end of the season. And so, you know, it's, I like it. It's pressure-packed for sure. I mean, you talk about the last couple years, 2020, five guys pointed their way in. 2019, six guys, 2018, five guys.

So now, you know, right now you're at three. And then say somebody else, Wednesday, Tony, you're talking about two guys pointing their way in. So it's done what they wanted. You know, it's put more emphasis on wins. And I've seen a lot of people complaining yesterday that, you know, it's not right that a guy that was 27th in points goes, and wins a race

and now he's got a chance to complete for the championship. That's no different than the 15 seed beating the two seed in the damn NCAA tournament. You get hot at the right time, you get hot at the right time, and they've had some speed lately, and they didn't fluke into that win yesterday.

They were hauling ass at the end of that race. Some of them teams that, but that's the reason why people like March Madness is because the unknown, and this is the unknown. And you take some of those teams that get in at the very end, maybe questionably shouldn't be there and that's just like this i mean but the guy they've obviously won something at some point to put themselves on the map enough to get

recognized to be in the playoff and eric went out there and earned this i don't know how you can say he didn't you know yeah he's had really bad luck this year but the dude just won a race and he went out there and passed some of the best in the sport some of the best at that track at I mean, he, you know, Blaney was really good. He passed, that's one of Brad's best tracks. And, you know, he dueled it out with some of the best right there and won the race. I don't know how you can take that from him. Yeah, I mean, and you think these guys don't think about it, you know, that aren't aware.

Did you see how hard the old three-car race to 10 when he was trying to lap him? Oh, yeah. I mean, he knows he needed to do everything you could to keep that 10 out of victory lane and he just couldn't do it. I still can't believe you picked the 10 last week. I don't know how you pulled that out of your ass. Brett did. If he watched it? Yeah, Brett did.

I thought you did. I thought I did. Who'd I pick? I had Keselowski. You picked a bandetto, T.J. Oh, that's right. Damn, and I thought you picked it. You know what I told, I did tell another spotter Brandon Manish's kid before the race.

Because if you look at all the race replays, I mean, if you go back and look at some replays, the 10 always runs good there. Like, he always runs good, and he just hasn't made able to put her together. He had one race where he was probably going to win there, and they had a pit road problem late in the race. and he just he's got a short track background so anytime you go to these tracks he's going to be he's usually more competitive than what you think so solid win for Eric congrats to him and you know I thought it was a are we talking about the track anymore yeah we'll get to it okay I'll tell you what one last thing here before we move on the spot on spot off I got a huge follow on Twitter yesterday who huge follow TJ Majors are you shoo me you know I was

I was looking, I was like, man, well, I don't, I don't really, honestly, I don't scroll Twitter that much. And I was like, you know what, I want to see it. I went to see, like, Freddie had to say, I'm like, man, I don't see anything from Freddie. So I went and looked, and I'm like, then the follow button's not lit up. Like, damn. So how long have you known him? I had 10 years of course. Yeah, I don't know.

Wow. You know, so, like, we were getting ready for the race, and I'm like, I'll follow. And I text him. I see Freddy looking at his phone. Like, he texts me, he goes, I didn't realize I wasn't follow. you. I didn't even realize it. I was like, what the my bad. TG's on Twitter day night, doesn't he saw it. You know,

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A lot of good stuff from Sunday in New Hampshire. We'll start off with NASCAR, changing its mind on Friday night and deciding not to apply the traction compound at New Hampshire. Freddie, spot on, spot off. I mean, I don't, spot off for the timing of it. I don't have an issue with them not applying the traction compound. That's here or there. You know, if you want to, it's your racetrack, your race, whatever you want to do there.

But the timing of it was awful. You know, the cars are already either at the racetrack or on their way to the racetrack with a setup built into them that has been, you know, simmed and scienceed out for a week, two weeks probably, more than that probably. How many man hours were spent? I should have reached out to some of our car chief buddies or engineer buddies. See, how many man hours are spent on a setup that now you've just crumpled up and thrown in the trash? You know, it's like again, I don't have an issue with it, but I saw excuses and I thought they were kind of BS excuses that, you know, the NASCAR, the cup race is going to be first

and we didn't want to do that. Well, we did it last year. The cup race is the only race that ran that. weekend. They sprayed the track and we were the first one. So that was a B.S. excuse. I think it had more to do with the weather. You know, I think that's why it was such a late call in the week that they saw the way the forecast was going. They were supposed to apply Saturday morning and the weather was awful Sunday night. I'm sorry, Saturday morning. The weather was awful Saturday night into Sunday morning. Yeah. I mean, like, I'm fine with it, but we talk about

transparency all the time. Like, the reason why you didn't spray was not because the cup race is going to be first. It was probably because of weather or whatever other reason, maybe you just didn't want to do it. I would just say, hey, the weather is going to be iffy this weekend. We're not going to be able to get a good layer of it down. I'm spot off because of the timing. I had already done all my work and everything, and I already had me and Joey had already went over. I restart stuff a couple times.

I have pages and notes, and when that came out, I text out. I said, I guess that was worthless. But I don't mind it there, but I also think Loudoun's a place that doesn't necessarily need it. You know, we don't, the reason one of the things about a track like Loudon and Bristol and Martinsville is because there's a preferred lane. And guys, you got to try to get your car good at lane, but it's kind of cool because there's, Loudon actually has different techniques that you can use because of how the corners are. If you go in low, you're going to be slower in the middle. If you arc a little bit, you roll the middle. and there's different, and these guys are good enough.

I mean, I thought the race was pretty good yesterday. So I thought the race was great yesterday. And, you know, I still felt like there was some kind of remnants. I saw in the modified race. You know, there was something with the grip lanes that, you know, you needed to use them a little bit. I mean, obviously, it wasn't as gripped up as it had been when you sprayed it in the past. But, I mean, you, and Loudon was, in my opinion, one of, or the best track that they applied to PJ1 to. I thought it helped the racing there the most in the past.

It didn't kill it. It didn't, yeah. It didn't make it one lane like it has to some of these other places. Like when you put it on Texas and Kentucky, there's like a fine line there. There's actually when they spray it at a place like there, they spray at Texas and it's still one lane kind of. It just takes a lane and moves it to a different lane, really. Yeah.

But one track that I mean I'm okay with they don't do it was Loudoun, though. But spot off for the timing. And you talk about it being a good race. I thought it was a great race, but it's something else that we've beat to death on here in the past. 750 engine, low-down force package. I looked this morning, I've seen Gluck's Post was up to, you know, 85% yes, to a good race. Yeah, it was a great race. And this is, this is, you know, a lot of times when you see these high vote totals of, you know, 80, 90% of a good race, it's because, you know, we ran around there all day and we had some kind of late restart and we were five wide and we all went.

And, you know, it was a good finish. I can promise you that if 22 won, it would have been about a 60% approval works. But, you know, it's just this package. It works, you know, and it always will work. You know, if you run that big motor with the low-down force, the racing is going to be better. It's just that simple. They also, you notice these guys, how close were the guys racing for the lead? I mean, there's numerous times.

They went out in the corner, and I was like, oh, that's close. I mean, and this really shows the skill set these guys have. to be able to race that close to each other. When there's not a big arrow, you know, arrow problem, these guys can, I mean, they're, they pinch each other off of two and you're like, oh, they're going to hit. And they're like, no, they made it no problem. Yeah, not even just the leader is everybody. The whole field.

Yeah, like, it's hard racing. Like, it's good. It's like, it's a huge short track. And these guys, like, man, they were, and they were bumping and banging and stuff. And, I mean, I don't know how you get a much better race than that. Like, as far as, like, you know, it got. putting them all close together and, you know, those guys showing off their, that was a, that was a, you saw the, you saw some of the skill come out and some of these guys. Like, we know Harvick's good there.

His short, you know, short track, Eric's really good at short tracks. Brad, this, the old Brad from Loudoun came out. You remember, like, he's a dominate. That's why I picked them. You know, and I don't know, it's just a, I thought it was just a good race, man. Like, overall, exciting. I mean, there was never, when they were raised for the lead, it was like, oh, they're close, you know. When Brad and Blaney were racing with lead, did you see that? How could you not? I was figuring out, I thought I had two extra spots coming my way.

Did you think Brad would have raised him as hard if he was going back to Penske next year? Or do you think he was just no care in the world, just kind of going hard as possible? I also saw Brad get into Blaney and then let him have it back because he didn't feel right about it. He hit him in turn two. He got him cross up in two and then lifted down the backstress to get back in line. I think they showed that on TV. Yeah. And to me, that was Brad saying, look, I don't want to pass you that way.

You know, I'm not going to do it that way. Very respectful thing to do. I mean, if you're second place and you get the leader out of shape a little bit and have a great run, are you backing out? No. I mean, he probably could have clear Blaney down at three. Unless it's Danny. Unless it's any, we might have to back out. But, I mean, that was, that shows you the respect that Brad still has for, you know, his teammates and whoever he's,

racing at that point in time, but especially a teammate. No caution for rain before the cup field went off into a wet turn 1 and 2 on lap 6, and Kyle Busch, Martin Truex Jr., Denny Hamlin, and others crashed. Freddie, spot on, spot off. Spot off. I mean, I guess spot on, we got two spots out of it, but I don't get it. Maybe I misunderstood this transmission pre-race, and I don't know if you heard it or not, but there was obviously bad weepers in turn one. turn three like at the quarter mark and the three quarter mark basically where they had to cut the race track and try to disperse water there you saw it all race long every time the yellow came out they

had to go back and work on it clean the apron up we rolled through there with on two to go and kip in the pace car said we need to make another pass through there and get a look at it and in my mind that meant we either needed to add a lap or i didn't know if he meant make another pass with the with the jets or whatever they were going to use to try and suck that water up and then look at it. But the next transmission from NASCAR was one to go with the line. And I was like, oh, okay, I guess we're just going to go. And Bubba had made a comment like two or three last four. He's like, man, it's really wet down there still. Like, it's not dry. And when I said one to go, he's like, oh, okay, I guess we're going. You know, like, they held it. And then, you know,

you talk about the rain. And it was, it was a, it rolled in. But like, they made it sound like they were surprised. I don't know about your team. My team from the box said, Freddie, 10, 15 minutes is going to be raining. We're getting to the shower. It's coming in. So, you know, it couldn't have been that big a surprise if they have all the, I'm sure they have all the radar technology that everybody else has up there. And it starts to roll in. And the lap before, I mean, every lap, we went in there on the bottom. We were sideways. You know, just probably running through that water on the bottom. See, we were gaining spots, sure. Yeah. But, you know, you go down, you know, they all go down in a turn one. You see a bunch of

we get loose. Oh, I saw them. And I'm like, okay. And then the next time through there, they all wrecked, you know, and it's like, they called it in. They were talking to the flagstand as we were coming down to front straightaway, and the flagstand and the corner workers were calling it a mist. And I'm like, this is, this is pretty heavy for a mist. And then, of course, they go down and turn one. And to their credit, they came out and said that they needed to throw the yellow a little bit sooner, and they were getting ready to throw it as they all wrecked. But still, we talk about, you know, having the right people in key positions. And I don't know who the corner workers were yesterday. I don't know who the flagman was yesterday, but, you know,

it's, it's, they need to do a better job of when it's, when the rain's picking up, don't, let's error on the side of throw the yellow. I feel like a lot of times, even when it's a debris, you know, they're calling for debris or, or whatnot, they try to error on the side of keeping it green and, and it becomes a safety concern and you end up with a little egg on your face when you let your, your two leaders go in the corner and wreck like that. Yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm spot off because I don't, you hate to see this and sometimes sometimes rain showers do do I mean look man it can happen in a heartbeat in Michigan one time we came off of turn four and it just I mean it was only out of turn four it's like a hundred yards of the racetrack it was raining nowhere else and were you there for

that which one is in Michigan we come off turn four and it was literally like a hundred 200 yards of track right there and it was the only spot it was raining on the track and it didn't go across the track it just entered right there um But yeah, I don't know if I almost feel like, see, I think their spotters are on the inside of the track. And I don't know this for fact. I'm not sure. But, you know, when they're asking for rain, you're asking a guy that's on the inside of the track. Like the pace car.

What do you got in turn one? Well, the pace car is, you know, on the inside. If you go out to the edge of the wall, it's a good little hike sometimes. And I don't know if maybe, you know, maybe you put somebody up in the top of the grand sands. hey, you know, you want to get it before it gets to the track. Like, it was a light missed for a little bit, and you could see it rolling in. I saw it on the radar before it was building, and then you could see it off turn 1 and 2 for a little ways. And I told Joey the light before, I'm like, look, man, I'm starting to see guys slip,

just stay on the tracks in front of you, don't try to get anymore, just, you know, keep doing what you're doing, don't do anymore here for a minute. And luckily, I saw a couple slip off turn 4, and I looked down to one. I saw the 18 going there. As soon as I saw the back end break loose, I looked back for Joey and just started slowing to one, slow in one, it's wet, slow, slow, slow, slow. And he got slowed down in time.

But definitely, you hate to see this happen. And this type of deal happens maybe once every few years where weather, you know, they're trying to get the race. And if they throw the yellow and it, you know, lights up right away, everyone's like, oh, we could have kept going, especially if it rains later and everyone's like, well, if we didn't throw it the other for that, would be halfway by now.

You know, there's, it's a, it's a very touchy scenario, but you always have to, you always got to, you got to take care of the race cars, man, the guys out there. You got to, you know, always, always be proactive in that situation, in my opinion, be a little more proactive towards it. And, you know, look, if it's a chance it's wet down there, we don't need to send them guys in there full throttle, you know, we don't need to do that.

but definitely a tough, it's just a judgment call at that time. Like, is it raining hard enough or isn't raiding hard enough? So, tough calls. And we've seen at tracks where we can run in the miss. I just thought, you know, and you could kind of see it yesterday. Oh, we've ran and missed. Yeah. You could see it yesterday, though, like I noticed pit road changed colors, you know,

and that's one you can, that's where, that's kind of the easiest way to tell is. I thought it was a lap late. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I think 100%. I thought, when I saw them guys, I saw that leader get in there, get sideways, the lap before. not get sideways, but kind of just slide. You know, like, and you could tell, and then we went in the bottom and we're hanging off our dear life on the bottom.

We got loose almost every lap. And, you know, it's just same thing. Yeah, same thing. We were, you know, I just started, you know, same thing into one. I saw them guys wrecked. It's like, check up, check up. It's raining, you know, because you don't know. We don't know how hard it's raining.

You know, we see, like, we're on the roof down, you know, whatever, quarter mile, half mile from wherever they're going to be racing at in turn one. And we have no idea how hard it's raining over there. You know, it could be pouring. Like they did that year at the All-Star race, you know. I mean, 100 yards makes a big difference from where somebody is sitting inside the track. Hey, it's not raining here. Well, it could be raining out there in the groove. You know, it makes a big difference.

And if you're, and it's, I mean, listen, if you're in the sitting in the pace car, you know, you could know obviously how hard it's raining by your windshield, but you can't see the color of the pavement. I mean, you can see it, but it's, you can have a way better vantage point from up in the tower. If you have to try your wipers on at all, it's probably too hard. I mean, I know they, they have. I don't know. They used to have those spotters. I don't know if they're still there or not.

I see there. Corner deal. Now the Sonoco signs. You always see the Sonoco signs and there's a little platform in the middle of there. So I don't know if that's where they have them at. But I feel like in all situations, not just the rain. Some of them are afraid to speak up unless they're asked the question. And then when they are asked, they always try to like, no, no, we're good.

You know, our track's clear. And then a couple laps later, we saw it a couple weeks ago. Where was that? Nashville with all the break pieces all over the race train. You know, like they just need to error. I understand we don't want to throw yellows unnecessarily, but at the same time, if you can't be scared to throw a yellow

and have your people in the corner is afraid to speak up when it may be warranted. What about Kyle Bush giving the pace car a little bump after his wreck? I think he was trying to knock the left rear fender into the tire. I think that was a situation like you wreck my car, I'm a wrecked yours. So that, so Hirsch is right in front of me, Kyle Sprague. potter and I'm like man I'm you know sorry it's bad you know just bad luck just I mean he has he's

had a lot of good luck too um but I'm like sorry that's just that's terrible man and he's sitting there kind of he's yelling at the NASCAR official and I'm like I'm like hars he's about to get in trouble you need to tell him to stop I'm like look he's about to get in trouble like you might want to you might want to tell him the chill we that was a I said something. My crew chief came on Channel 2, like, after we got the yellow out and everything, he's like, yikes. I said, yeah. I said, you see KB right now?

And he's like, oh, yeah, can we never do that, please? I said, yeah, that's probably a good idea. That's, I mean, I'm sure we'll talk about it, but is it coming up later, Jason? No, this is it. All right. Well, I mean, that's probably something you don't do. Yeah, I mean, I think he'll, we'll find out this week. Yeah.

Here's how we're going to find out this week how bad NASCAR feels for botching this call, whether or no, what kind of penalty comes down on the 18? Because if it's light, that's them kind of saying, okay, we get it. We screwed you. You're dead to the back of our pace car. If they hammer them down, they're going to feel like they didn't do nothing wrong. And 18's way out of line. So we'll see this week what kind of penalties come from knocking the bumper off the pace car.

Joey Lugano, T. TJ's driver, penalized for two laps. after the team worked on the car under the red flag. T.J. Spot on, spot off. Who would do such a thing? Spot off, man. It's a piece of track. Geez, I mean, I mean, yeah, I mean, rolls are rolls.

I mean, you can't make adjustments to the car. And apparently, I wasn't down there. Apparently, they felt like we made an adjustment. So you're not going to, you're wasting your time arguing it. You're not going to win. And once they make the call, you're not. It is what it is. It's obviously a mistake, and you can see you in the video.

It's probably just like second nature. I don't know who the guy was. Look, if it's engine tuner or what. You know, he flips up the cow on the hood and just, like, must have seen something or whatever, reaches in there to do. And it's probably just natural to him. Like, oh, there it is. Apparently it was a piece of sealer from the track that came up and just flung up there and hit just right. I mean, I'm not.

I can't say that's confirmed, but that's what I heard. Yeah. So, and he probably saw that. It was like, oh, just let me get that. Yeah, a piece of rubber. Oh, you know, now you're like, I guarantee even that after he did that, he probably didn't even think anything of it until he got back and they're like, oh, penalty. And they're like, oh, man. That's a pretty big hole to dig out of.

And then, like you talked about earlier, I thought, so I thought you were going to get them both right back. You know, we get the 38. We're not that lucky, man. We get the 38 there, or 38 gets in us and spins. We get one back. And then you get one back. And then the next restart, the 51 spins. And I'm like, oh, damn, he's going to get both of them back right here.

And the 51 does a donut and keeps going. and I'm like, oh, that burned them right there. But, yeah. That hurt right there. And then, like you said, you spend the rest of the race, you're one down, but you're to tail one down. So if we run... I was getting flipped off by people and everything, but you don't have a choice, man.

No, because if we run 30, 40 laps, they're going to start laping the BJs and the Rick Ware cars. And we couldn't, we had to wait until they were numerous laps down almost because one of them is just fast enough to stand and be right there at the edge of it. And you got to come from the beach of it. backs, you have to make up a whole track on the guy. Yeah. And it's harder, man. I mean, I was getting flipped off by people, and our car was good. Is that any different than normal?

No. Not really. Not really. One guy, I mean, we... Just a different set of circumstances. We pass everyone, like, all the way up to probably, like, 10th. We pass all them people, like, three or four times. I'm sure they were sick of seeing us, because it is aggravating when a car a lap down

catches you and is you're kind of racing. You're fighting for everything you can. You're a couple car links off the guy in front of you. well that guy can't just ride behind you we've got a we've got a goal too and our goal might be like the 14 car got passed by the 4 when he was leading my goal our goal at that time was to catch that 14 yeah and if we were faster than you we needed to go because he was coming back to us i couldn't we can't afford to sit there and ride behind you i mean it's just you can't like you just got to get all you can and we did and we eventually got it back but man it's not a fun not a fun deficit to come back did you did you did you get too lucky dog or did you lucky dog and wave? No, we got two lucky dogs. Yeah, we weren't, the runs were a little bit too long to, to, um. Yeah, just cautions in.

Yeah, and we would have had to pit, and we would have really been in trouble if we would have to pit. So, you know, Paul and him did a great job, you know, playing it right, just wish, you know, late race restart would have been fun, especially as deep as we could drive it into the corner. There's one time, I think Bubba probably got mad at me, but you were literally five back into three. And I was like, five back 21. Inside the holy shit.

Like, where did he come from? Didn't he run the bottom and we kind of went down in there and he moved up? Because I think we're, I'm sure it did. Because literally the last thing I said was five back 22. And next thing I know you're ripping the bottom. And we're probably running our normal line was like kind of run diamond the corner and come back down the hill. And I'm sure. He could make it work.

Probably. Oh, he could. Because a lot of guys couldn't get off the corner running line there. You know, you could run down there and make up a lot of time. And then like three quarter mark you'd have to kind of give up a little bit. But he just kept rolling the bottom. I was like, okay. He could make it work, man.

And other guy, people are like, oh, well, you die bottom. I'm like, dude, that's our advantage is getting into the corner and grip and sticking like that. Why would you not use it? That's the whole goal. That's how you pass. The one you passed, when you pass us, we tried to do it for a couple of hours. I'm like the 22 super aggressive on the bottom using the bottom grip there. And we could do the same thing.

We could run with you to the half, three quarter mark. And then you would drive away. I think we surprised that. It was funny because about the third time we passed everybody up through there. I think they realize how deep we could get into the corner low, so we'd get within, like, you know, a couple, you know, once you know the guy knows you're going to be there, they'd just run the top because they know Joey was going to be on the apron

or something down there. We scared, I'm pretty sure we scared Kurt one time because we went in down there, and I think I saw Joey all four on the flat, and Kurt just, like, hung a right in the middle of the corner. Like, it was pretty exciting. Yeah. Spot off for the penalty, though, still.

Joey did say it was taking a photo. That was his reasoning. Yeah. He's right. Yeah. All right. After getting spun by Ryan Newman, Quinn Hough says,

I know he sees retirement in the future. He's got to dump everybody else. Freddie, spot on, spot off. I mean, this is your son, right here. Listen, I'm proud of him. I mean, you know, first thing that I ask for, some of the younger or the newer spotters come up to me and they're spotting for some of the Rick Ware cars or whoever,

that might not be on the pace. and their first thing they say is, you know, how do I get out of the way? What should I do? And the first thing I tell him, I don't know about TJ, but I don't care where you go. As long as you go to the same place every time we get to you, because that makes us comfortable to where I know if I'm catching a double zero, I can tell Bubba, all right, slow one is going to be up top or slow one, he'll be on the bottom, or he's going to be in the middle.

But as long as you're in the same place every time we catch you, I'm fine with it. You know, because at least we have a warning. You know, obviously some situations, if you're a leader running, a guy down. You might go down and ask him to get out of that lane because you know where he's going to be at and you might want that lane. But throughout the race, consistently, as long as they're in the same lane, I'm good with it. And Quinn was in the, he ran that second lane all day long and he had to go to the bottom to pass him and it is what it is. Now, I caught the very end of it, but it looked to me like the six just drove into three and drove into

the back of him and turned him around. I don't know if maybe they needed a caution for something. But, you know, it looked to me like he just ran the double zero over. Yeah, it was kind of uncommon to see. They clearly they were really tight. It looked like Quinn was up the track, and it looked like the six was still on him really tight. I don't know if Ryan was just trying to go in there. And I highly doubt Ryan went in there with intentions of just wrecking him because the chances of Ryan getting damage or flattening his right front are significantly higher when you hit like that.

So I don't think Ryan went in there intentionally to wreck him. And it's probably not the publicity that he wants anyway from it. but, you know, that's the thing. He probably went in there trying to stay tight on him and get a good run off so he could clear him. There's times we went in there with lap cars up there, and we needed some racetrack, and we were trying to get turned for exit,

because you're trying to make the straightaways as long as you came, and the earlier you can be in the throttle and not have to lift, the better you're going to be. So guys are doing things like that, and Ryan probably just misjudged it a little bit, but it's exciting afterwards. The thing that...

So there's two things here, three things, really. so he gets on the radio and he says fix my car I got to go back out there and get him which you're not going to do we've talked about that a hundred times on here empty threats you say you're going to do it you're never going to do it yeah what the things that kind of bothered me about the situation was you've got the roush fenway Twitter handle and kind of antagonizing another driver like I don't think that was necessary but I thought Quinn's response to that tweet from them was great like it was actually pretty good the fact that he was looking he said he's you know He respects the equipment. He respects people that work on the equipment. That's why he didn't go out there and wreck Ryan. But the fact that he said he was looking forward to their announcement tomorrow was awesome. Because obviously, we all know the announcement is going to be that Brad's going to rouse. And you would assume that Ryan's probably out unless they're going to add a 13, which I don't see on the horizon.

I mean that. But that was a subtle dig that I liked. It was actually pretty good. You know, the Twitter handle is suspect, but the response is great. I said the tweet from P1. Huff. was great, but we need to work on the Twitter handle still. Yeah, the Twitter handle. The Twitter handle is suspect, man. I can't let him off the hook and blue. I mean, he didn't do nothing wrong yesterday,

except for empty threats on the radio, and maybe the Twitter handle. Honestly, he gets a lot of, he's gotten, I don't think he's, I mean, he's gotten better. 100%. He's gotten better, and some of the incidents that he's been involved in this year were clearly, like Nashville, that's not. Like, he's been involved in stuff that just makes him look real bad, but it really has nothing to do with him. You remember, I mean, literally, and I think that's why he gets a lot of flack on here, obviously. The whole pitting thing was bad.

Yeah, like last, a couple years ago, whenever he first started, we were talking about him every week. And it was something that he was doing wrong, whether he was in the way or piling into a wreck or pitting from left field. You know, that was him. And we don't have many of that now. You know, I don't, I mean, he's out there. He's racing. He's improved.

I don't have many issues with him when we're going around him. You know, I feel like he's not racing you hard. He kind of, you know, he does a better job than he had in the past. So I don't have any problems with good, huh. He's got the bull on the roof for him. I saw one of his guy who? The bull. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, we don't, yeah, he's got a bigger spot now. You know who was that? Yeah, you know who was up there, though. Who was this week was Brian, right? Yeah, Brian does it whenever. Brian Kessleroske. Yeah. The bowl.

But, you know, he, he's not, listen, I get it. He's fun to pick on because we pick out him all the time. We just, only we need to do now. We're getting better on the racetrack. We just need to work on that Twitter handle. So what does it need to be? I don't know. Queen Hoff.

Just take out the P. Quinnhoff. Sorry. Just put the queen. Quinn Houth. Something other than P1 Hough would be anything besides that would be great. P2 would be better. But I mean, I like the kid.

I met him a couple times. He's a good kid. Yeah, yeah. He's learning, and he's getting better. That's all you can ask for. So continue to get better. We'll do nothing stupid. You won't make what an idiot.

I mean, the guy basically skipped every feeder series into the cup cars and what rate cup racing. There's an adjustment period. I was supposed to spot for him one race. That had been awesome. I don't know where it was. Maybe you still can. I don't remember if it was in a truck. It was it like Kentucky, and I don't remember it was a truck or an Xfinity car, but I think we didn't, I think, like, qualifying got rained out and he didn't get to race or something like that.

But that would have been fun. It would have been fun. This was, I mean, this is six, seven years ago probably. But, yeah, just keep getting better, Quinn. And, hey, listen, I have no problem. When they, when the Twitter, the team's Twitter handled, the guy that just wrecked you wants to talk a little crap, by all means, you got free reign to go back at them.

That was well played. Spot on, spot off. NASCAR's decision to call the race early because of darkness by announcing 10 laps to go with 19 remaining in the race. TJ, spot on, spot off. I don't know. I mean, I'm kind of spot on. It was getting dark.

I mean, it was starting to get dark, but we might have been able to make it. It had been close. We might. TJ, it was four minutes. Yeah. They saved eight laps. Yeah, I don't know. I would have liked to see it finished.

I mean, we finished a little bit dark. We ran a Martinsville race one time that was really, really dark. And Tony Stewart won a Kansas race one time before they put lights there, I believe. and it was really dark. I remember this might have been before you were spotting. Actually, I'm pretty sure it was before you were spotting. But, I mean, it was a little bit darker, but I was getting ready to be exciting.

I kind of wanted to see it. I kind of wanted to see it run a few more. Yeah, I mean, I saw Miller's video last night where he said that we made, so what happened on the radio for anybody that wasn't listening, they came over the radio at the end of the second stage, I think it was, right? So we got an announcement to make, and we're going to, I mean, essentially they said, we're going to just call out 10 to go whenever we want.

I know. And then Miller comes out last night, and he says, you know, we made that announcement so that crew chiefs didn't have to worry about strategy. And I'm like, well, all you did was make them worry about strategy because they have their strategy played out. And now you just told them, hey, we could randomly throw 10 to go whenever the hell we want. And honestly, I thought it was going to come with about 50 to 60 to go. I thought it was going to happen then.

I was expecting it. Yeah. So, I mean, we had some damage to the car. We weren't running well. So we stayed out and tried to do anything like Benedetto almost stole one there. I thought that was a great play. But, you know, I mean, why wouldn't you? I mean, especially like if you need a win, you know, whatever.

But like, if you want to help the crew chiefs with strategy, I feel like this is just way too big of a gray area for NASCAR to say, hey, we might, at some point. we're going to tell you 10 to go. That can't fly. That can't happen. I don't think. I mean, and that's hard to say this, but you've got to give some kind of window of when you're going to do this. Come on the radio. Well, you know what, you know how it tells you when dark is, like it tells you when sunset. Look, you look at that time and say, hey, at that time, you know, or 10 minutes for that, we're going 10 to go. Yeah. I mean, they made the call to 10 to go at about 806 or so, something like that. So if you're going to do that, or obviously you don't know what you know you have to see how dark it is at certain times but you kind of have an idea you know

the window when it's going to start at tell them to tell these guys okay at eight o'clock we're going 10 to go and it's and they you know it was going to be that's it you know there's no we're going to count cautions there's no overtime you know we're we're whenever we say 10 to go that's going to be the end of the race so just give the crew chief so now that at least they can look they can science out okay it's two minutes a lap i'm sorry two laps a minute um you know we could we we we know how how many laps we're going to run between now and 8 o'clock. You can build a strategy off of that versus, which I think's interesting.

My crew chief is like, what do you think? He's like, are we going to run 30 more laps? And I'm like, I don't know. I'm like, I call 50 to go. I didn't see it finishing. Yeah. I mean, I didn't know that I just told him. And I gave them, which they did, and I'll give him credit for that.

I felt like they weren't going to alter the race in the middle of that pit cycle. You know, and they said it didn't have any effect on their judgment call. And that's here to hear on there. Look at, look at code. though. That was in the middle of kind of, I mean, there was a very similar situation in Cota. Oh, yeah. It's just, you know, we talk about transparency and stuff, and it's just to have the fact that it's just randomly, okay, flagger, the 10's coming to the offer four, show them 10 to go this time. And it's like, oh, okay. I mean, I don't think you can go wrong. Hey, dark's 8.09. We're going to go 10 to go at 8 o'clock. Yeah. I think that, I think that 100% should have been the call yesterday. I mean, and you look at it, you know, Christopher Bell was running.

running the 10 down. You know, whether, you know, obviously the three wasn't hurting him. I believe he gets there. I don't know if he moves him or not or passes him, but I believe he gets there if we run all the laps. I get it. If it's 20 to go, I get it. That's, you know, that's one thing. But you're talking eight laps we saved, like we said, two laps a minute. Even if a caution comes out, I'm okay with them. Like, if it's a natural caution, it's over. Yeah, it's over. Yeah. But, you know, I don't see in the rotors glow, though. Yeah, I was. That was fun. I just, I just don't know how much, how much, how much. darker it was going to get in four minutes. I don't see that. I just wanted a great white checker. I don't care how many, man. I just wanted, I just wanted a chance with tires and a restart. I mean, Pit crew gets us a spot or two. We line up.

I mean, you get a cup on pair of be front row, man. I was all for it. Just moving forward, I just hope that they take the randomness out of it and kind of, if that situation ever pops up again, just give us a time when you're going to go tend to go or an idea, a ballpark, something it's just not, we don't know when. You're just going to be surprised. That's a big window to try to figure out what you're going to do in. Some silly season action last week that Freddie may or may not have hinted about on the show. Wood Brothers Racing announces Harrison Burton will drive the 21 car next season.

Matt DeBendetto then posted a video and said the 21 team has been broken for a while and it wasn't working, but no disrespect to anyone. TJ, spot on, spot off. I'm just going to skip this one. Freddie, we can have a conversation. I got one host of the show, and he's going to skip the fucking question. I'm skipping this one. All right, listen, great opportunity for Harrison to start with. Great, you know, two major families in our sport getting together with the Woodbrothers and the Burton family.

Lots of history there between both of them. So that's awesome. Listen, in my opinion, unfortunately. didn't get it done. Now, you can blame the crew chief. You can blame whoever you want. The team was broken, quote unquote, Matt said, it's on you that you didn't get it fixed.

You had all this time. If you needed it fixed, if that's what you truly needed, you needed to get it fixed faster, you know. And obviously you can go back and look now they've changed crew chiefs, and it's the results have come. They're, you know, they're top 10, just right around the top 10, the last two or three races. There's been a gain in performance.

But I'm sure if I had to guess, this deal's probably done before last Wednesday or Tuesday, whenever the hell they announced it. So, you know, those runs probably did not factor into the effect of, you know, Matt at all. But, you know, the thing that bothers me about the whole situation was Matt saying he was surprised by the decision or, you know, like this is like, listen, they named your replacement last year. They told you that Austin Cynchic was getting into 21 car. That means you're out. Now I get it. You get maybe a false sense of hope when Brad, you know, you hear the rumors that Brad's leaving. But they've already basically told you you're out.

Now, whether or not you're going to be able to get into two or Austin's going to go into two and you stay in the 21, that's one thing. But you can't be surprised by the fact that they're making a change when they told you last year that you were out. And in my opinion, if we don't have this lame duck year with a new car coming and, you know, nobody really knows what to do, I think he's out this year. I think that if everything was going to be status quo for the next five years, they make the move to go to Austin and the 21 last off season, and he's in the 21 all year this year. But with that new car coming, there's really no point in sticking Austin in a new car, let him go out and get more experience, win some McFenny races,

maybe another championship. But, you know, this can't be a surprise to you. You know, just, you know, it is what it is. And then one of the other things I saw, well, Jason, you got anything on this, Jason? Well, it's really interesting that he was expecting to still have the opportunity to get that ride again next year, even though clearly it had already been told that he wasn't going to be back in it. I don't know if I see de Bendetto ended up ending anywhere else in Cup. I can't envision without a sponsor backing him. I'm not sure where he would go from this point.

Yeah, I mean, he'll have opportunities. You know, he's a good race car driver. There's no doubt about that. You know, he said in his interview, he's going to win in Cup. So, you know, he's going to have to uphill climb from here. He's always been an underdog type fan favorite. And, I mean, I like to see Matt do good. Yeah, I mean, and then, you know, you switch sides of it. I saw a lot of people, you know, kind of getting on Toyota for, you know, letting another, quote, unquote, TRD driver get away. There's nowhere to go, man.

Yeah, but the problem, like, on top of that, Harrison's not really a Toyota driver. You know, the days of, Harrison's a guy that's paying for a ride in a Toyota car. You know, Christopher Bell, that was a Toyota driver. Eric Jones, that was a Toyota driver. There's some other guys coming up through the pipeline that are going to be Toyota drivers. But a lot of these guys, you look at the guys that are in the Gibbs cars now. Hemrick is a paid guy. He's paying for his ride.

Brandon Jones, paid guy. I don't think Harrison had much of a choice. Oh, no. He has to go. What opportunity is he going to have there? Is that same, does he want to run an Xfinity again? Maybe not. You know, there's even an option because clearly there's one guy coming up there that's the,

basically the hottest young prospect in Xfini racing right now. Yeah. And we talked about, you know, obviously going forward next year, we run that new car, everything's the same. So we've talked about the guys

that are going to have the advantage are the guys, the teams with the money, the bigger teams that are going to be able to search and find stuff and tweak your car a little bit here and there to get you a couple extra tents,

a couple extra horsepower, whatever it may be. And obviously there's no room of Gibbs to go. So, you know, Who are your other major teams? Well, Penske's obviously one of them. You know, so if you've got an opportunity to get in a Penske car,

which is obviously one of the marquee teams in our sport, and, you know, that's the only option you really have to get in something like that. You have no choice but to go. And I think that's why I said it's a great opportunity for Harrison to get better and learn, you know, to move up and learn. He's also, I mean, you're going to go in there and you get to pick the brains of guys like Ligano and Blaney. You know, you're going to, and he's raced.

against Austin too. So I feel like him and Austin can grow together as well. I think it's a really good situation for Harrison to be in Austin as well. I think it's great for both of them. Absolutely. All right. Brad Kislauski asked for an ownership position at Team Penske in contract negotiations and Mr. Penske said it was a request we could not fulfill. Freddie, because I don't think TJ's going to touch it spot on spot off. I know what not to ask for. Geez. I'm just kidding. Next contract. There's probably spot on, spot off for both.

I don't blame Brad for asking. And I don't blame Roger for saying no. You know, it's one of them deals where maybe this, you know, Brad had this offer already from Roush, so he knows what he can get out, you know, what he can't get out on the market. And probably one, I'm sure, if you had to choose, it's a no-brainer, you would much rather stay at Panski than go to Roush, I would think. Anybody in the sport would agree with that, I would imagine. but, you know, the captain, he doesn't need Brad. You know, he's built an empire all on his own there,

and he doesn't really need a partner. He doesn't really need Brad's money or whatever Brad can inject in the ownership stake where Jack Rouse probably does. We've talked years about, you know, the decline of Roush Fenway, and they've been a little bit better this year. And probably needing to, yeah, needing to inject some new life in there. And like what I've talked about on here for years,

I always thought it was going to be Doug Gates. I thought that Doug Gates would come in there and be a partner to Jack and take that deal to the next level. Maybe that's Brad now. We'll find out tomorrow when they make the announcement. But, you know, Roger, I've seen him make the comment in his little press deal there that, you know, they kind of expected Brad to stay two or three more years. Well, if you're only expecting the guy to stay two or three more years,

you're not going to give them ownership stake in your race team. So if, you know, if you think you're just going to have a couple more years with a guy, obviously, you're not going to buy into it long term like that. Yeah, I think you're right on a spot on a spot off deal Both have goals and certain things they want to achieve And I don't know if you can Brad's going to be part owner now You know, and that's proven to be a very valuable piece right now To be an owner in this deal

So you know, a spot off because Brad's one of the best out there He's one of the best race drivers He's very smart puts the work in He knows what he's doing So it's you're it's you know Definitely um Definitely gonna you know have some Austin's got some big shoes to fill

But Austin's putting the work in right now You know and if he keeps developing I mean I remember when Austin first started in his phoenix series You know we weren't sure if he was going to develop But he's he's developing to a good race race car driver right now And he's a he's solid all across the board And he actually pointed out to me that When we talked about his starts

he's has like seven Cups Carts maybe and only like only like two or three of them are road courses you know the rest of them are ovals and stuff so he's on the right path and if he keeps developing he can be a solid race car driver yeah I mean you talk about him putting the work in he was supposed to be on here today with us I know he's working and he had to unfortunately go do the sim this morning so he couldn't come

but yeah I mean I remember when he got in it was Brad's truck and I want to say it was like Dover maybe or something saw him go out there, I was like, this kid's awful. Like, oh my God, he's bad. And obviously, throughout that practice, he got way better. And now, you know, fast forward four or five years. He's light years ahead of where he was back then. But like you said, it's just, it's putting the work in and he's super accomplished. And let me tell you something. You know, we go out next year in that two car. And obviously, you know, it's going to be a new car maybe. But, you know,

there's no reason why he can't go out there and win at least one road course race, multiple road course races. I agree. You know, he's a super talented road racer, super talented driver. Like you said, big opportunity, big shoes to fill. When he ran, when he ran to the Daytona 500, he was running, you know, top five to seven and just, I mean, very patient, just riding there. So he's shown that he's learned how to race and be patient like that. And great opportunity for him. And he puts the work in.

I can honestly vouch for Austin that he does the, he's put a lot of work in. And honestly, he's become a champion because of it. Yeah, and we heard rumors leading up to it that, you know, they're, which I don't think they ever considered, but you heard people talking about, you know, moving Blaney to the two because that was the flagship and then putting Austin in the 12 or Harrison in the 12 and Austin in the 21 like they had originally announced. But I think this is the right move. You know, this is your guy, you know, put him in the two. Blaney's already built a brand at the 12. You know, that's his deal over there. And Austin's a, he's a champion.

Yeah. There's an excuse. This is how you're supposed to move up the ladder. You're supposed to win a championship in the senior series. You know, then you move to the Cup Series. Yeah, there's no reason. And we said it on here a couple weeks ago. I asked Brett the question where, you know,

do you think Austin's going to be in the two or the 21? And he said the two. And, you know, it's just, that's the flagship. And stick the kid in there and let's go. T.J. Wen Roush makes their announcement tomorrow. Are they going to name you the head of data, the data department? Is that supposed to be funny, Jason? Is that your, is that your crack at Joe?

I'm hearing rumors on social media. Oh, is that your burner account? If it's on social media, it's true. Gotta be true. Bonjour. Last one. Noah Greggson tweets, got a little of a cheap shot after AJ Alminger knocked him up the track in the Xfitting series race.

Is this your fault, Freddie? I wasn't spot on a spot for AJ. I know, but I mean, you're associated with it somehow. Somehow it's your fault. I was right behind it. It was awesome. Frank's got him, right? Yeah.

Yeah. Frank Denny. Let us blame Frank. So I don't, something happened here, which they don't see eye to eye, even back when I was spot in. for AJ. But, so restart happens. AJ, obviously you weren't there. AJ's probably four or five cars out in front of me.

I don't remember if the nine was with him or not. I assume now going back that you must have been. AJ's up the hill. We can pull the data on this. Yeah, I mean, we can look at it. I didn't get a chance to look at it because I got back at 3 o'clock in the morning, it seems like. But AJ goes shooting up the hill.

Comes back down, gets in line. Well, he's, now it's Noah, AJ, us into turn three. and you know how you see when everybody you tell when you lift and get on the brakes and the turn three they're at Loudon well I could see everybody cracks the throttle A.J. Except AJ and I'm like oh god he's gonna I called it I'm like he's wrecking the 19 he's wrecking the nine reckon the nine and you know he punts him and I don't know how Noah saved it he kind of slid up kind of tapped the wall to rear right so what did Noah did he hit him to get there I assume Noah must have been the one that shipped AJ up the

racetrack yes then why would he call that that happened then why would he call it Not as badly. Because AJ gave it back tenfold. You know, he hit him a lot harder. But we talked about this last year at Noah. He was one of the most aggressive race car drivers. He wrecked his damn teammate at Bristol to win for a win. And, I mean, a guy swung at him and he swung back twice as hard.

Or a guy grabbed on to him. You know, listen, if you're going to dish this stuff out, I don't want to hear it when people give it back to you. Listen, I'm fine with being aggressive. You know, listen, you are one of the most aggressive race car drivers in that series. If you run into me and I racing and move me up that way, what's going to happen in the next corner? I don't want you behind me again. I'm going to hit you twice as hard.

So, you know, you can't cry about this after the fact. After you've been the guy pushing people around here for years, you know, who was it, Riley Herbst at Texas a couple years ago. He got the back of somebody off a turn to you. I can't remember who it was. Maybe Riley again, I don't remember. But, you know, listen, you're not going to push around AJ Alminger. I promise you that much.

You know, some of these younger kids, maybe they'll, They're not going to be afraid to wreck their stuff. I have noticed AJ's aggressiveness is a little higher than what I really kind of thought it would be for this point running for a championship. In the beginning of the race there, I watched until we took off. I watched it. He was very aggressive. He was aggressive with Austin. Yeah, but I mean, like, is this the point of the year where you want to be?

You're talking to the first run of the race. You know, there's so much race. This is the point where you want to be aggressive? Like, what if you slip the littlest bit and you hit that guy? Now you're on, now you just went from, this is the guy that I need to really outsmart, you know, or try to outsmart and out beat on the track, you know, do I really want to know that this guy now owes me one? Like, is this that point of the... We saw, and listen, I'm of two opinions.

We saw that same thing with them at Daytona Roval. You know, AJ took himself out of the race, racing super hard at the end of the first stage. and obviously, you know, I'm sure he regrets that. But it's the same thing. I'm fine with it. I don't mind the hard question. I'm just saying it. It might not be the smartest play for when guys get back to you,

but as long as you don't complain about it when they do come back to you and rough you up, I'm fine with it. Like that time, AJ Rick Allgaar at Teledega. Yeah. That's behind me. I was, I was like someone stayed at him. I looked up. I looked like a Derek Kraus car up there for some reason.

It's like a 19. I don't know what the hell is. Oh, Haley Degan. Oh, Haley Degan. There's no scratches on it. It's not Derek's. Don't hit me, Derek. Don't hit me, Derek.

Yeah. That wouldn't Tal'Dagena. That was Daytona Road Course again. I know. I was just kidding because remember when he said, well, you were, you wrecked me in town. It wasn't even in the same lane. The look on AJ's face, he was like, like, he had like complete Eli Manning look on his face.

Like, duh. But, yeah, I mean, I just. I love the hard rate. I mean, I love it. It's exciting, man. I like, no. I'm listening, like, we go back and forth on here. I really like Noah a lot.

I mean, we've hung out a couple times, and he's like, he'll give me crap about. He's like, what kind of trash you're talking about me on the podcast today? He's slipping you off right now. I'm like, hey, man, if you stop doing dumb shit, I won't talk about you on the podcast. I promise. I like Noah's aggressiveness, man. I like it. I'm fine with it.

Just don't come back and make a comment like this after somebody gives it back to you when you get them first. Just handle it on the racetrack. Yeah. We have a this just in news. Bullets, NASCAR is expected to begin distribution of the next-gen chassis as its independent safety panel has finished its report of the crash test. NASCAR has sent the info to the drivers. Wow, that's good. That's good. Yeah, we talked about it on here. Way to go, Freddie.

We talked about it on here last week, you know, and you got 90 seconds. You know, I reiterated rumors that had been through the sport, you know, about, you know, dummies getting hurt. There's no we in this. It's you. I, me, ownership of this show. TJ's got to leave. Excuse himself. And I quoted something from Danny said.

And I said something to the effect that it's a red flag for NASCAR to send this out to the safety. There were rumors. And they came back with, you know, we do this all the time. Well, how would we know that? You don't, if this information isn't relayed, you can control this narrative. You know, you can control the way this goes and the way this ship sails. if you come out and make everything, we talk about transparency on here all the time,

come out here and talk about it. But if you don't talk about it and you let the media members and the fans and Reddit and whoever else build their own opinion, yeah, shit's not going to go your way a lot of time. Have you seen the opinions on the internet on Twitter? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. They would be like, listen,

and I did actually see the Griffin Craft presidential. Y'all understand the trouble we would be in if Brett had any control over it? Oh, forget that. It would be, I'm scared. I'm moving. I'm moving. With offer pad.

With offer pad. I'm going to sell my home with offer pad and move. But you notice, did you watch Formula One race? Did you see that? Half, I had to leave. Did you see it, Jason? Yes. So, obviously there's an incident where Hamilton gets into Max, and the way they,

did you like they play the their team principles talking to the tower like about the incident like oh god yeah they are ridiculously calm compared to like what our group would be could you imagine no our crew chiefs had the ability to like just hit the button and start talking to uh tim burman during the race mine would be mine would probably be calm yours would be good but i'd usually we're talking about yesterday i'm like could you imagine if Tommy baldwin that's had the opportunity to talk to race control during the race. Are you shitting me? And we could all listen to it.

Great content. I want to listen. I mean, you couldn't, like, they would have to bleep out every word. I mean, they're like, oh, yes, you know, we'd like you to, you know, obviously, you know, Max had control of the corner. Could you imagine some of our guys? Oh, yeah, control of the corner. Like, that was his corner.

It would turn into a fight. They literally say that was, that was, you know, Max's corner or Lewis's corner. No, it's not anybody. It's a race. Like, you're supposed to go in there. And I don't know. It's just, it's funny how calm they can be because, I mean, we get somebody lined up in the wrong lane on our restile. We are all flipping out customer.

And one guy's in the, in the tire barrier, a 51G hit. And there's like, oh, yes, Tower would like you to review this. I just thought it was pretty funny that. Yeah. How they handle stuff like that. Getting back next gen, that's great. You know, hopefully they've got everything figured out. That's good news.

I know we've got a test coming up in October, I think. I think there's an October test coming up where that's the first time all the teams can go test. I know we got one in November after the season. So we'll see. You know, like I said on here last week, I'd still be surprised if we run this thing full-time. That's a positive note, though, for 100%. That's positive. So hopefully we hope it's positive.

I mean, we hope it's right. Well, they wouldn't be. I don't think you release it if it's not. You know, obviously they're not going to start distributing the teams if it's not good. So hopefully that, you know, hopefully we can keep building on the good news of this and get that new car ready. It's it. Hopefully it's a foot off the ground and it has a thousand horsepower. All right.

After this break, we're going to be back with one of, quote unquote, the best announcers, play by playman in the business. Alan Bestwick's going to pop in to join this show. Alan's been doing all the broadcasting this year for the SRX races. Really excited to talk to him about that. Some of the past NASCAR calls, obviously 2001 we've got to bring up. Looking forward to having them on here. This Door Bumper Clear podcast is brought to you by our friends at racingusa.com. America's online headquarters for NASCAR merchandise for more than 20 years.

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Oh, just like we talked about earlier. Just a long night, which we're trying to recover here. but we got here to brighten our day for us. Yeah, well, I hope I can do that. That's a big challenge. It sounds like on short sleep and we'll call it grumpy air travel. Well, we're used to it because our producer is kind of a tool sometimes. He can't ever move things back a little bit because he's super busy doing all Dillner's work.

So, you know, that show where they walk around and look at wild game trails in the woods and stuff? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, sometimes this TV business, I mean, everybody thinks it's all glamour and star treatment. Sometimes it's a little bit of a grind. Well, speaking of star treatment, you got to do you got to work with a lot of stars over the last six weeks, right? I have had so much fun with this project that it was everything I hoped it would be.

A lot of laughs, a lot of smiles, just a lot of real genuine good times from everybody that was involved. and yeah, just really a lot of fun. Talk about, I mean, I watched most of the races. Unfortunately, some of them I was in a bar, so I couldn't hear all the calls, but I heard a couple of them. But on top of that, just the crowds. I mean, I've lived up in Long Island,

so I went to Stafford a bunch, and the crowd at Stafford, the crowd you guys had this week in Nashville, pretty much everywhere you went, the crowds were unbelievable. You know, the going to some, I mean, the tracks, it wasn't a mistake, right? the tracks they picked for the series were some of the more iconic and successful short tracks in American racing. So me being from New England, no, I wasn't surprised that Stafford, you know, the joint was packed.

I wasn't surprised Slinger was packed. I wasn't surprised Nashville was packed. I wasn't surprised at the turnout at Aldora. It's like I said, it's everything we hoped it would be. These are wonderful race tracks that are supported well. And, I mean, think about this. You're a race fan. You've been going to modified races in Stafford Springs, Connecticut for, for, you know, even if it's five years, but maybe 30 years.

And now, Elio Castronavis and Tony Stewart and Bobby Lablante, you know, are going to come race at Stafford and Bill Elliott and so on. Well, who wouldn't want a ticket for that? So I wasn't surprised at all. Yeah, I mean, and we talk about, you know, just to take it back a minute, you talk about New England. I know where you started at. It's one of my favorite places. if you want to just bring that up quick. Maybe some people aren't familiar,

but Seekong Speedway is one of my favorite places to go. I grew up around race and modified, you know, working on modified spot for modified. You didn't race anything. I drove a little bit, but not in a modified by any means. But just talk about where you got started.

Well, you know, it's funny because the racing thing was like a side, side deal. I didn't start out to be a race announcer. I started out to be a broadcaster. So I was working as a disc jockey and a radio, announcer and had already done high school football and basketball and baseball and all that. And was at the races at Seacomk with my dad, who raced there in the late 60s and early 70s.

He had cars there. Somebody else drove. But I grew up with a race car in the garage. My dad got to this crossroads where he had to choose between paying the mortgage and putting food on the table for his kids and putting new tires on the race car. Thankfully, he made the responsible choice. And but one night we were at Seaconk and we ran into the promoter. D. Anthony Vendetti, one of the legendary promoters in American short track racing.

Mr. Vendetti was a force. He was a little eccentric, but he was in charge. He was cut from the Bill France senior mold, if you will. And we ran into Mr. Vendetti on the midway, and my dad said, hey, do you remember me? You used to have the 37 junior here. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. This is my son. He's working in radio.

And if you ever need an announcer, he'd be a good one. And Mr. Vendetti said, follow me. and marched up into the tower and tapped the announcer on the shoulders. The name was Jim Powers at the time. We called him Reverend Jim. He tapped Reverend Jim on the shoulders and said, let the kid do the street stocks. And that's how it started.

And I just kept showing up and they just kept handed me the microphone. And that kind of expanded out to, you know, where I'd grab a microphone and I'd run off into the pit area or down onto the start, finish line and start interviewing winners. All that stuff was just literally volunteer, no pay, a couple of years before I moved away to start my career. and on a chance encounter with Mr. Vendetti on the Midway one night. That's crazy.

You ninja to Reverend? I don't know that I'd phrase it quite that way. So, you know, obviously your career spans, what year was that when you started Seekon? Nineteen 77 or eight, something like that. And now here you are. I wasn't even born. we're not trying to make them feel bad to you.

Fine. Fine. But here you are all these years later. And obviously the NASCAR career was incredible. But how does this SRX deal come about? Like, you know, is this Tony, Ray, somebody just reaching out? I mean, is this something that you actively pursued or how would this come about? A little over two years ago.

Well, first of all, Ray is a friend for a long, long time. I was working in New Jersey in the like 1981, 82, something like that at a thing called the Skoll Motorsport. Report. And the office manager at the Skoll Motorsports Report was married to a modified racer at Wall Stadium, Eddie Bone. And they had a party at their house one afternoon and all the drivers were there. And I met Ray, like 1982 or so at this thing.

And our career is just crisscrossed all these years. And a couple years ago at the NASCAR Hall of Fame dinner. you know, walked into to C. Ray and he grabbed me and said, come here. I got something I want to talk you about. And he kind of laid out the concept for me and said, what do you think? And I said, it sounds like a lot of fun. He said, good. I want you to do it. It's to stand by. Now, that was no given thing because obviously CBS did the hiring. But I've known about this for two years. And it, it, it's all thanks to Ray. I mean, you know, he just, he's a great friend.

I'm fortunate to have his respect professionally, and very fortunate that he kind of nominated me to be part of this. Yeah, that's awesome. You got a chance to work with some interesting talent in the booth with you. I know you've shared that booth with a lot of talented, super talented people, mainly drivers this year. And like I said, I didn't get that. I saw the one with Danica.

I saw rave reviews about him. And, you know, just talk about working with some of them guys. And, I mean, not that you had to carry them, but they're just raw. You know, they're just racers and they're just in there to watch the race and call what they see. But I saw a lot of rave reviews for some of them. Well, you know, the whole thing of this telecast is two things. It moves at a lightning pace. I mean, don't stop to take, you know, two breaths in a row because the whole thing's over.

And I don't mean that you have to rush anything you're doing. But I just, the pacing of the telecast, was intentionally fast. And the other thing is, you know, just have fun. Well, what do we do here? Just relax. Have fun. That was the whole approach to it from my perspective is this is all about fun.

People can't have fun watching television if you don't have fun making television. So let's have fun up here. Danica was terrific, a lot of fun. We all learned so much from that week one show at Stafford to week two. and if you were to go back and rewatch all six of the telecasts, you'd see how much we as a project learned from weeks one through six. And, you know, if you're in the business, you would see and understand some of the nuanced adjustments we made.

Danica was terrific. She came in with the right attitude, had a lot of fun. Hinch was great. I mean, you know, Hinch is Hinch. He's a big personality. And he came in and embraced to have fun attitude. He also embraced jumping in the race cars. And every one of the races he did, he climbed into one of the machines and did test laps on the track.

And fairly competitive test laps, timewise, by the way, with only getting like one shot at it. Dario was terrific. His schedule was complicated. We didn't get to spend a ton of time together. But when he landed at Raceway Park, he was prepared and came in and we just had a lot of laughs. So everybody was terrific. Their expertise, their insight, really good. And again, they just embraced the fun.

I have two questions for you. First question, do you, I mean, I've always enjoyed your, your, um, your, um, your broadcasting. Do you ever have any desire to, to get back to the NASCAR side or any other, you know, higher form of racing? Do you ever, do you aspire to do that anymore? Here's, here's, I get asked that a lot. And understandably so. Here's the thing. I never planned any of this to start with. I mean, from day one, like, besides getting my first job at a local AM radio station. Sounds like a spotter. Yeah, you know, I never planned any of this.

I never planned becoming known for broadcasting racing. I never planned going to work for MRN. I never planned NBC coming in and saying, hey, come on. I never planned, you know, so it all just unfolds. When the last rights changed happened, there, you know, I made the decision, you know, through a lot of discussions to do what I did. Didn't plan on them losing the rights to the Indy 500. Who would have,

who would have ever thought that would have happened? Yeah. But through that decision, I got to do things that I would have never dreamed in my life that I would have gotten to do. I mean, they sent me to Wimbledon. Really? Yeah.

And it's one of the coolest things I ever did. That same first Wimbledon I did. Then we went up the road and did the British Open at St. Andrews. What a three-week period of life, you know. I got to do college football at Texas A&M and LSU and Wisconsin and Washington State, all those things. I didn't, you know, I didn't plan on things unwinding the way they unwound. So I would never say never. I'm not, all of those people that do those jobs are friends of mine. And so I wish them nothing but the best of success and a long, long, long run doing what they're doing.

But I would never say never, because that's a stupid thing to do in this business, as you both know. You don't know what's going to happen tomorrow. That's it. So my next question is, is there any moments that weren't really on TV or we would have known about where you were just kind of like in the SRX stuff where anything happened when you were just kind of like, oh, you know, that made you kind of like, oh, did that just happen? Like, is there anything that we didn't see that, you know, might have been, you know, a little interesting?

No, because that's one of the great things about the property is it's all access. I mean, everything. It seems like we saw everything. Yeah, everything we've ever been told we couldn't do for competition reasons in other forms of racing. We could do in SRX. you know, one owner and all the, you know, he's in charge of the competition. So want to put a camera there? Yeah, go ahead.

Want to, you know, want to fly the drone over the racetrack while the cars are racing? Yeah, we can do that and we can do it safely. Want to talk to drivers while they're racing under the green flag? Go ahead. So, and, and, you know, once we did it with smoke, everybody wanted to. Hey, you're going to call me? Call me. You know, yeah.

So it was an all access property, which is, I think, what. resonated with people. And I think, you know, just as important as what we were able to do during the racing is some of the stories we were able to tell about people away from the racetrack, who they are, what their home lives are like. You know, I mean, Elio's trophy room still blows my mind because I think we take for granted some people's accomplishments as the years go by when we've been around them for a long time. Things like that, I think we're important to the pace of the show and people's enjoyment of the show also. Yeah, I enjoyed them. I mean, I watched, pretty sure I watched all of them, and I thought they were fun.

They were just, you know, when it seemed to get spread out a little bit, they made it interesting again. Talking about the drivers, was there one driver? I know there was one for me that stood out that impressed me more than I was expecting. Paul Tracy? No, it was definitely not PT. Ernie Francis was the one that stood out for me, just not knowing a lot about where he came from and how well he ran.

was there anybody that surprised you, I mean, good or bad, really, of how well they performed in these stock cars on these tracks that are so foreign to them? There are two angles on that for me. And I'll set Ernie aside from that because Ernie, this was a completely different agenda for Ernie. What a nice young man. What a talented race car driver. I mean, do you know he went to Brainerd Sunday after racing Saturday night and started last in the transamination? race and won it by 13 seconds. It's a heck of a day.

I mean, he's, he is a talent. And did he deserve to be racing with these champions? Yeah, he won seven Trans Am championships in a row. That, that's a different agenda. Here's a young man that got a lot of exposure that hopefully it opens the world of opportunity up for. People like Bill Elliott, Willie T. Ribs, getting out there. I mean, Bill's made a joke out of it, but it's true.

he's, I'm on Medicare. But he's out there racing and racing well, racing hard. And smiling the whole time. The, the, uh, Willie T. Look, he's 66 years old. And called the SRX series the best racing season of his life. He's having fun.

Yeah, which was terrific. And so that group. And then top of my podium, the old Open wheel guys adapting to these race cars. Elio and T.K. and Marco and how well they adapted to these cars. Things like dirt track racing. Knoxville. So they got Thursday night, they're going to do all the practice at Knoxville.

So Thursday night, they're going to give all the guys a few laps. Some of them to try racing on dirt for the first time ever. And Elio's there, and he's got his helmet on, and he jumps in the car, and he goes out, and he makes five laps, and he comes back in. And they're supposed to stay in for a few runs. They just come out, they come in. They talk to Schrader and Stremie and. kind of, you know, but Elio's popped the belts and he's out of the car and I happen to be standing

there and he grabs me by the shoulders and he goes, this is so fun! You know, and every place we went, Elio and Marco and P.T. and T.K., how well they adapted to these cars with fenders was really, really fun to see. P.T. definitely enjoyed the fender part of it, I believe. You know what? Pete, let me say this about Paul. Paul, we, you know, Look, he's always been a super aggressive racer. That wasn't going to change. He understands that every race, every movie, every TV show, has somebody that plays the villain's role. And he willingly embraced that villain's role, right?

He embraced it. Remember the thing at IRP where he came out, you know, for driver introductions, they had the police car bring him around and he got out wearing handcuffs and stuff, right? I mean, that's just, that's being a showman. That's embracing the role. He took a lot of abuse for the Haley Deegan thing that was way over the line. Yeah. Way beyond appropriate. And, and that, you know, that comes with the territory of playing the villain.

But PT has been invested in this from day one and, and he was as advertised and really enjoyed being around him and having him part of the series. Staying with the drivers. Is there a guy out there that you can think of top of your head that you'd like to see join them full time or even just one race next year? I know there's, I mean, there's an abundance of talented superstars in the world, but is there just one guy you could peg that you'd just love to see on these short tracks beating and bang with these guys? I want 10 more cars a race. Yeah, I wouldn't expect that to happen. You know, there's a lot of thinking to be done now. What tracks do you go back to?

What tracks, you know, do you do you not? not what tracks want you back, what tracks don't, what drivers want to come back, what drivers don't, what drivers do you want back, what drivers do you not? You know, all those things are, that's, I mean, these guys just got done with six weeks on the road, straight weeks, repair and race cars in the 95 degree heat laying on their back and, you know, on the pavement on the race, you know, so that, give everybody a few, a little bit of a breather for that. But I, you know, first one top of head, Mark Weber was supposed to be part of the series this year.

All the travel quarantines in his home country. of Australia and so on kept him from being able to do it. I hope we can get him in next year. And he'd really love to do it. Yeah. You know, the phone, Ray says the phone has been ringing like crazy. A lot of people want to do it. So let's just see what unfolds over the next couple months.

But I think I expect there to be a season two. I expect it to be a great field of drivers. I expect it to be another great lineup of tracks. and I expect, all right, let me say, I hope to be back a part of it and have a lot of fun with it. Yeah, I mean, I think they hit a home run this year. And we talk about it on the NASCAR side, I'm sure, you know, just like TJ, everybody wants 10 more cars and everybody wants 15 tracks. I don't think you want to give them too much. You know, if you start spanning it down, it's 10, 12 races instead of six, it becomes kind of watered down.

I think this was the perfect format for them. And maybe they expand a little bit, but this, they hit a home run this year. And it was just awesome to see. but yeah yeah uh we agree leave them leave them wanting more exactly i think i think that i think we've done just that this year and and um and we all can look forward to next year and see what what becomes of it well we can't sit in this room with that door over there hanging on the wall that you can see the old bud wiser baseball eight without talking about the 2001 firecracker 400 and obviously probably one of or top five for sure most iconic calls coming to the checker flag um just talk about that night and that

moment. I mean, how much of that just, did you know in that moment that this was going to be just what it turned out to be these days? No, certainly not. It was, there's so many things fell into place for that moment to happen, right? NBC's first race of the new NASCAR television arrangement that night from Daytona, the tragedy from February. The, the circumstances of the race unfolding. I mean, you know, change any one of those factors in any small way, and it's not what it became. And what it became was a healing moment for many people.

It became a moment that they remembered all their lives. It's certainly, without question, far and above, the thing I'm asked about the most of the, I don't know, hundreds, maybe thousands of races I've broadcasted in my career. So change anyone. thing about that and it doesn't become what it became. That it became what it did, I think was good for all of us collectively as race fans, racers and a racing community. Absolutely. You know, and just one other thing before we get you out of here, one of my favorite people growing up watching the

sport and one of my people in the booth was Benny Parsons. And I just felt like that guy could put up smile on anybody's face across the world. Just talk about what it was like. We're getting a chance of work with Benny for all those years and just what a kind of guy he was. The kind of guy he was is evidence in the fact that not a single day goes by today without a Benny story coming up in some way or another or at least, you know, being thought of by me. He was a dear friend. When when Benny and I were hired together by NBC back at that time, we'd been around

each other, but we'd never work together. You know, I was at MRN. Benny was with ESPN. Rain delay at Martinsville. I can remember, you know, Barney and I would go next door to the TV booth and Benny and Ned and Bob would be, you know, we'd play a game of cards or something

to kill the time during the rain delay. But I never worked with him. And he picked up the phone and he called me up and he said, Alan, the way this is going to work best is if you and I become best friends. And I lived in the Charlotte area at the time. And that's what happened. We started playing golf together. Every Tuesday, we would ride together, you know,

and rent a cars from the air. airport, that kind of thing. We became great friends. And the affection that Benny had for everyone at the track, the people working on the cars, the people driving the cars, the fans in the grandstands, he had genuine affection for all of them. He cared so much about doing a good job for them. and yet, you know, did it all with a smile and a laugh.

And, you know, he said to me, Alan, if I screw something up, you better look at me and say, Benny, you big dummy. He said, don't be, he said, we have to have fun with this and we have to be human. Wonderful man that, that I miss every day. Well, I know we can go on for this forever and ever and ever. And I know our Twitter blew up last night when I tweet, I kind of tweeted that little hint that we were having the best one. on the podcast. I see all our fans, just love you to death.

Where can people find you now? I know you're going to call some basketball games probably later. Or probably that, I guess that's next year. Where can people find you if they want to hear the old AB voice? So if you're at the Brickyard weekend at the Speedway, I have joined the public address staff at the Speedway with Mr. Penske's ownership now. So I'll be there for that. I go to the U.S. Open and I do the World Feed Broadcast for the tennis tournament in New York

for a couple of weeks. that pretty much you've got to be overseas to hear. But it's a blast. It's great fun and a wonderful group of people to work with. Then I spend my winters doing Yukon women's basketball. So 11-time national champions. I work for the New York Mets Network, S&Y out of New York City. It is an absolute blast and fun to do.

The games are terrific. They're really good. And then, you know, yeah, they're better than most. and so, you know, I just pop around here and there. I live the freelancer's life. I can't guarantee it from one week to the next what I'll be doing, but I know this. Whatever I do, I'm doing my best to have fun with it.

Yeah, well, we appreciate you joining us, man. I don't, this is no slight on any of the people that are doing anything that we got now in the NASCAR world, but we would definitely love to have you back. I know our listeners would love to have you back, and it would be a home run for us to get you back one day. So hopefully that happens. But thanks for joining us, buddy. Yeah, I appreciate you coming on. You never say never and had fun.

That's the key word. Had fun talking to you if I didn't. I would never do it again. Thanks, A.B. Thank you. Hey, what's up, DBC fans? If you haven't heard about Anchor, it's the easiest way to make a podcast. Let us explain.

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The real question is, how come we didn't see a cameo from Freddie in the new post-Malone music video? Figured he would have been out there drinking out of the cup or popping bottles. But, man, missed the mark on that one. I was probably popping bottles, so just wasn't there. Well, Mike, I went back and looked at the last five-door bumper clear shows we had here.

And what I found was Freddie still kissing Danny Hamlin's ass? Brett Griffin's still waiting on the GameCocks to start winning. T.J. sucks. And Joey Logano, he's having trouble finding his way to the front. That's a pretty good Larry Mack impersonation. Actually, it was pretty good Larry Mack. That might have been him. David Hoots.

I cannot disagree with that guy. We miss him dearly. For sure. I'd like to submit my, what an idiot. Whoever the hell is the crew member on the 22 that decided to work on the race car during the red flag right in front of the damn official, and then got themselves a two-dam lap penalty. What a fucking idiot. I mean, come on.

J. Do you want to think this one? We just wanted something to do that race. You know, we wanted a challenge. Keep it close for the fans. Yeah, yeah, we just wanted it. Yeah. I just want to say, I really enjoy the NBC guys.

I enjoy listening to Dale Jr. call the race. But it's a little overkill to excitedly yell the double zero is in the wall. I mean, yeah, we know. It's not that big a deal. TJ, you suck. Hey, it's a wreck, man. Got to make it exciting. That's what Dale's like.

actually react. I'm excited. Exactly. Jason, do they yell a lot? Because I see a lot of people comment on my Twitter about, mainly Burton. I think they get animated more than the other guys. I think so. It's exciting. I mean, I've honestly never heard it doing, obviously, so I don't know.

I think social media overblows their yelling. It's just kind of animated discussion. I don't think social media has ever overblown anything, Jason. No, I don't think so either. I don't think it's a bad thing, man. It gets you on, I mean, it gets your attention. Yeah. You know, I don't think it's a bad thing. Slide job.

Yeah. And even when Brad was, Brad was hitting the 12, you know, I did see a clip of that on Instagram. You follow Freddie on Instagram? I don't know. You're on Instagram? Yeah.

I'm sure he doesn't. Yeah. Hey, y'all, a long time listener, first time caller would like to give a shout out to TJ for not sucking yesterday. Hey and Joey rebounder from being two lapsed down, even though it was one of Brad's crew guys touching the race car. And Freddy, I kind of forgot you were in the race

except for when Bubba was throwing the football on the front straight away and when he and Bush were wrecked on the backstress. But yeah, I guess you guys weren't making it. And a shout out to Jeb for singing those songs about the guys that are always wrecking in the back of the field. He needs to sing one about Anthony Alfredo because I swear that son of him bhares every week. Anyway, you guys enjoy the next two weeks. Tomorrow was my 21st birthday as I record this, so I hope y'all drink plenty of beer for me. Jeb, we've got song requests now.

Happy birthday. I'm sure it's probably today. I guess. Yeah, maybe tomorrow. Do it big, man. Do it big. You only turn 21 once, right? 21 is like the second of last birthday you can look forward to.

I think 25 is when you can rent a car and then that's it. There's nothing to look forward to after that. Yeah, but you don't even really, like, renting a car is kind of irrelevant nowadays because you just Uber and stuff. Yeah, that's true. So 21, it's over, buddy. Sorry. Yeah. And even 21, that's like the 18 now because you start.

I mean, surely he hasn't been drinking before 21. No, I doubt it. Why would he? No, a NASCAR fan listening to us. He don't drink. Holy color me, fucking surprised. Listen to this. Mattie Benadetto was fired a year ago. Did you hear me?

He was fired. They told him one year from now, you will not have a job. And one year later, he's surprised to find out he does not have a job. Holy Color me surprised again. It's raining and cars with no treads on their tires wreck. Wow. I can't believe it. Color me surprised again.

We have cars out there with headlights on them, and the headlights don't work, so we have to call the race because it's dark. What a crazy-ass race. Sounds like a drunk guy in Banana Land. Yeah, I mean, color me surprised that you have cell phone service, but not Internet. Yeah.

Color me surprised that we could call in the reaction theater, but we can't zoom in for 10 minutes. Yeah, we can't even zoom in. Jackass. I know. But he's not wrong. now. Thank God we already talked about all that.

Yeah, it's fine. Thanks for the messages. If you want to leave an audio message, go to anchor.fm slash door bumper clear and click the message icon. We'll play the best ones each week on the show. Offerpad, question of the week. We'll go to the offer pad question of the week.

These are really good questions. This is probably one of the best work you do if you actually do this, Jason. This must be coming from Kyle. I know, it must be. Kyle's way. All of me. Nah.

Kyle knows what he's doing. The 23-year-olds that doesn't own a home comes up with all the home questions. And drinks white claws randomly. We're headed into the summer off weeks. Would you rather have a vacation home at the beach or in the mountains? What features would you like in that home? I'm beach, you know. Or not even beach.

I'm not a big fan of the beach. I like water. There's whaling out there in the world. You might get harpooned or something if I walk down the beach. But, you know, I told Megan this, and this would be the same way for my vacation home. When we were going on our honeymoon, she's like, where do you want to go? I said, I don't care. I said, what I want is to be able to open the door of my hotel room and there'd be a pool right in front of me.

And she did. She made it happen. So that would be my vacation home. It would definitely be somewhere warm. I'm not a big skier. I'm not a big, obviously, believe it or not, I'm not a big hiker. So the mountains really wouldn't do much for me. But, yeah, just get me somewhere warm.

Give me a pool bar. and a cold beer in my hand and I'm a happy guy. Yeah, you didn't. I mean, you certainly. I was really surprised you weren't the, you know, get out there in your beach towel on the beach and tan. I don't know. I got to go with a beach house or something like that. It's just something about, you know, even when we go to Daytona and stuff and if you have a hotel on the beach,

it's nice to sit there and open the doors and there's always a good breeze on the beach. And I don't know. I guess I'm a beach guy. Mountains is good sometimes, but I've stayed at a lot of beach houses that were really nice. And if I've had been in some mountain houses, too, they're pretty nice. And I think the beach houses are the ticket. Jason, where are you going? Beach for sure.

Love the ocean. Palm trees. Favorite trees in the world. Megan's still trying to figure out how to get me to plant a palm tree in our backyard. Don't do it. I've had them before in my old house. and they are hard. Like, you got to, the life expectancy of them are not well.

Yeah, like, Latar it told me he replaces his every year. That's fun. Or, like, once every year or every two years, something like that. Yeah, no. Sorry, big. I'll come to take care of it. What do you use, Jason? Like, SPF 1,000?

Oh, SPF 50, the kid's brand. The kids brand's the best. 50? What do you put it on? Like six times, make it 150? I know. What do you? No, it works out.

Layer it up. I got burned the first day on my 100. honeymoon and Megan's like you know we're in Mexico and it's good to get it out of the way of the first day though yeah so she said she's like she went and got me this stuff and it was I honestly don't think like I think 50 or 70s like the highest they make and everything else is just garbage but this she comes in with like this 120 or something and I'm like oh yeah I'll stick that on there you talk about I look like Jason to be so I look like Jason Jared like I was it was paste I was like I'm rub like the little dab I'm rubbing it like an hour I'm like okay

Well, I'm just taking a shower now because this is not ever going to rub in. Once you get up above 50, man, it's like spreading butter, man. You're like spreading butter on your... Jason Jared. He must have SPF 150 or something because when he puts sunblock on it is. But it's better than the sprays I don't believe work really well. Yeah, I don't think the sprays work really well. But, yeah, I try to apply my sunblock every week.

I mean, I put it on every week, but some of the times, like, you've got to put it on three or four times. My neck always gets burnt. My neck is probably, you can probably see it right now. It's like purple. That's not too bad. You sure? Yeah, that's look. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. Now it looks like that. Well, you got to remember my binoculars cover some of it. And the bottom half there is, yeah. Yeah, it's purple. All right. Go get a cash offer on your home today with our presenting sponsor, Offerpad.com. It's that time again where we discuss our favorite Xfinity X-X-Fi more than fast moments,

Whether you're on or off the track, speed is the only thing you need. What were your favorite more than fast moments this week, TJ? Well, there's only one. So my X-Finity X-5, more than fast moment. It's going to go to the 22 car for making up two laps and coming back to a P4, and that's one of the shorter races kind of too. So hard to do that. You know, Paul and Paul had a, the team had a great car and Joey had a great race.

Pat's cell phone back. I didn't say me. I said Joey drove a great race, Paul out of fast car. I did a good job. Great job. When he cleared them guys, I was right on it, man. My Xfinity X-5, more than fast moments goes to the 10. Just kind of out of nowhere.

I mean, they've had a little bit of speed lately. But to go down there, run down Brad, I mean, run down everybody, really. But, you know, at the end of the race there, run down, Brad, past Brad one of his best tracks. Blaney was good all day. Run him down, pass him, and drive away from them guys. And then, you know, and then hold off the 20 late in the race when the three is trying to hold you up.

He was super fast yesterday, so that's my XFinity X-Fi More Than Fast Moment with the tent car, Eric Amarola. Here on Doorbumper Clear, being more than fast is a way of life. Thankfully, there's plenty of weekly action for our X-Fi more than fast moments. You know what else is more than fast, TJ? X-Finity X-Fi. With the speed for all your devices, you also get the reliability and security that keeps your crew connected and protected.

With Xfinity X-Fi, you can do more of what you love with faster Internet and a powerful and secure connection. Follow at Xfinity Racing on Twitter for even more Xfinity X-5 more than fast moments, and don't forget to vote for your favorites. Thank you to Xfinity, proud premier partner of NASCAR. What an idiot. TJ, who you got? There's a list of them this week.

Man, go to Freddie first because I got to. You got to decipher which one you want to go to. Here's my favorite one. It's a Spotter podcast like we talk about all the time, so I'm going to pick on a spotter because that's what we get to do. So last week Where were we last week? Atlanta.

Atlanta. We're leaving Atlanta And we have a spotter group chat With all the spotters in it. So one of the spotters puts in there Be heads up guys when you're rolling out. There's cops sitting with radars on this road. Well, Drew Herring had just got done

Winning the Xfinity race with Kyle Bush. He sends a picture of the group with the cop behind him and says, Don't worry, boys. It's all clear now. I got him out of the way for you. And he got a ticket last week after he wins the infinity race. So fast forward this week, he's still spotting for the 54 car.

And he wins the race on Saturday again. So he goes down to his car, takes all the stuff off, throws it in the trunk, closes the trunk, walks to the door and realizes he just locked his keys in the trunk of his car. And now he's got a flag copse down. He had Brandon Minesh over there trying to help him. They essentially had to break into the car. Then the couldn't even, once they got in the car, still couldn't open the trunk. so then they had to figure out a way to get in the back,

like take the back seat down and climb through the back seat into the trunk to get the keys out. So my one idiot this week for his back-to-back Xfinity wins. This guy has the easiest time there ever is winning Xfinity races and then makes it really difficult on itself to get out of it. He has no idea. He came into the sport with Martin Truex, a pass champion with some of the fastest cars every week,

and he does the Xfini cars, which are, you know, equally, well, they run good. and he spots for guys that he spots for Kyle, whoever's running that car. And he has never had to really endure what the rest of us have went through at some point. But my, what an idiot,

has to go to the guy that contested bus driver will from back in the day. There was a gentleman at Lime Rock Park who tried to drive a motor home across the track.

when there was a race going on. And I kind of feel threatened for Will because he tried to take Will's belt right here. You know, you can't do it. He didn't win the race, though. You know, there was a race going out when he tried to go. No, he said he didn't win the race like Will did. Oh, Will.

Yeah, Will won the race. So, but this guy, I believe, tried to leave or cross the racetrack. Well, the race was going on, I believe. Did you see it? Oh, I saw pictures of it. I didn't see it. Yeah, so that, I don't know what point you can sit in a motorhome and watch cars go by on the track

and think it's a good idea to try to cross at that point in time. Yeah. So just back story. Oh, you know the guy? No, no, no. I'm just saying,

I don't know that guy, but if they don't know the story, people that new listeners might not know the story about. Tommy and Lime Rock? Will was Elliott Sadler's bus driver and one of the Southern 500s got rained out. And the motorhomes go out basically the race track or pit road. And somehow Will broke out early and was,

there's pictures of him beating, who was Bobby Labani? I think one or eight. I think I'm pretty sure it's Bobby Labani. Will beat Bobby Labani to start finish line. He leaves the gate as the cars are basically coming down pit road. So he's on pit road when it's pouring rain in front of the cars there lining up. So you got this motorhome and it's Will.

So that's, you know, wheel. Wheel. Good old Will. Yeah, I miss Will. He was great. I mean, he still is great, but I haven't seen him. There's a handful of motorhome drivers that I miss. Boyer's bus driver was always.

Curtis, dirty. Curtis is pretty good. He's slinging cars up there in Emporia, Kansas. So I hope he, like, does he tow truck driver? No, he's car salesman. Oh, he's a salesman. He's selling cars. Okay.

There's some, I came across some TikTok account where it's like guys repoing cars. You ever seen them? You got out, like Miami repo or something. People come out, like, I would not want a repo car. I had some family that did that for a while. It's not safe. We would not want to do that. Do you follow Freddy on TikTok, TJ?

Are you on TikTok? Maybe. I don't even know if I got it on account. I must be because I see TikToks all the time. I mainly just watch this Cajian guy cook, and that's kind of it. Dirty Moe Media is on TikTok. Oh, really? What are you guys TikTok?

Well, we got some dances ready, so just get your dancing shoes. Is this new? Yes, very new. By the time the break's over in a few weeks, we're going to get you guys to do some dances. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I don't know if you've seen my dance moves. That's what we want to say. Yeah, one guy can dance in this.

He can stand the front, but y'all have to support him in the background. I'll support him in the background. He's got to dance to Michael Jackson or he's clogging. I'm telling you what, the price of business is going up around here if you want me to start dancing on TikTok. It'll be great content. Go viral. DBC picks after New Hampshire, Brett wins with Eric Amarola.

That was a good one he called. Freddie still leads to the score of 11 to 7 to 5. Brett's in second. See, that really hurt. We're making picks for Watkins Glen. And I have Brett's pick. He'll go a lot. last, but TJ your first.

Oh, boy. Wow, this is going to be a tough one. Wonder who I'm going to pick. Is he running? Yeah. Oh, no, he's not. AJ? Yeah. Nope. What the hell? Brett's spotting with me.

What the hell? This, all right. I don't know why he's not running. Geez, oh man, this just got tough. Bubba's on the list. Oh, yeah. Yeah. He's on there. He's going to be on there.

Man, I'm going to go with Chris Busher. That's a solid pick. Yeah, I don't feel like it's too bad. Do we know if Syndrick's running? I don't believe so. I'm not telling, last time I got told he, I picked him. Chris Rice was like, he's not running. Took my pick.

I will take Kyle Busch. And Brett is picking Ross Chastain. That's a good pick. Oh, you took Bruce? school. Well, if I don't win that one, Jesus. No, I took Boucher. Oh, Busher, yeah. Yeah. Chastain's a good pick. They're really good at Rhode America. All right, door bumper

clears go on summer vacation. Anyone go anywhere exciting? God. Yeah. Real exciting. If you have two kids. Disney. Good job. I knew it. Can't wait to

die in the heat all day there. Yeah, in August. Middle, like, and I don't know why my wife did this because we've always talked about like, oh, yeah, we always go in like December, when we would go in December, January time when it's actually like 75 in Florida and nice, you know, you get away from the cold and the rain. Nah, we're just going to go when it's 95 and I'm going to want to die by 9 o'clock in the morning. So, solid pick.

Just go to wherever that is you can drink around the world or whatever. Just stay there all day. Oh, yeah, Epcot. But, like, I will say, give her. you ever been to food and wine at Epcot? I haven't been to Disney since I'm like nine years old. You need to go to the Food and Wine Festival there because you literally,

you make a lap around there and you get, you sample like all the food from the countries and you get a drink and a sample of food throughout the whole thing, and it's actually really good. So I think you should take, I think you should take your wife, man. No, we go to Disneyland for adults, Nashville.

That's where we're going. You need to take your wife at Disney. You're one of the guys that would get there and be like, oh, look at that. Look at that idiot wearing the goofy shirt. Like a day later, you got the same shirt on. This is fun. Mickey ears on. Yes.

We're going to Nashville for a couple days this week. I'm sure I'll go link up with our buddy Tim Dugger. I am going to, after that, we're going to New York for my sister's wedding. That got postponed since April. So finally getting married. Can't believe she found somebody to put up with her, but she somehow has. Are you, is she going to post a lot of pictures of her wedding like Casey would? Probably not as many as Casey.

It'd be hard. I don't know if, I don't even know if I have that many pictures for my wedding. Did you, yeah, no, for sure. I have a disc of all of them, but I think I might have posted three. What's the disc? Like, whatever, scan disc, whatever we call it? Like a thumb drive? I don't know what you call it.

Don't even worry about explaining it to him. But when did you go up, Sunday morning or Saturday? Saturday night. should have came with me Saturday night. Duh, it's a bad idea most of the time. I went to a bit of a shit show Saturday night. I didn't take part like I would normally

have because we had a race the next day. I probably should have because I was worried that I screwed up the 100% rule when it started raining. But I did a podcast I don't know long ago called the Black Flag podcast with these maniacs. These kids they're like probably low 20s, I would assume. And they

are me 10 years ago. And it was... Where were they? they at the track? They were at the X lot. Remember where X or N lot now or something it's called? No. It's, yeah. That's good Brad. Is that behind the back stretch or something? Yeah, yeah. It's like up the hill. So if you come out of the tunnel and go left and go up that hill a little bit, it's up there. But yeah, Brad, Charlie, Bobby Timmons, these guys are maniacs. And I was thankful to God that I had to drive home because

I could have probably got myself. What kind of stuff were they doing? I mean, there was, there may or may not have been stripper poles involved. I think I saw somebody's grandma take their shirt off. Oh, God. This is where. It was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was a start of the show with this. I mean, I don't, it was, uh, it was impressive to say the least. I don't, I was, so did the pole hold you?

No. I spun around one time and the whole tent went down. It was amazing. But yeah, no, it was, it was, uh, it was a show all in its own. I, I can't wait to hang out with them guys when I can actually kind of partake in the excitement, but it brought me back to like the way I would have acted 15, 20 years ago, whatever it is. You know, that's one thing that track has always kind of done. You always get a lot of racing there that weekend. That was one, that's one reason why I was like going up there because you normally had like a Bush East race or a K&N race. There's always that late model race that always ran too. There was like five races a weekend up there. So you could go and literally

leave on Thursday and make a whole weekend out of camping up there. And that's one of the things I've always really liked about that place as well. Yeah, for sure. Great racetrack. I will. Speaking of racetracks, I'll be at Riverhead Raceway, not this weekend, but next weekend. Of course, even on my vacation, I have to go to some racetrack. But yeah, if you're in the area, come out. I'll be at the beer stand in turn three if you need me.

There's a little tiki bar over there, so I'll buy you a beer. We'll talk trash about T.J. while he's not there. There's a good chance that I am about dead by 9 o'clock in the morning the next week. So starting next week. All right. shows until after Walkins Glen. Where are you going? I'm actually going home for the first time in like two years. Oh, that's exciting. And going to a Red Sox game. Oh, who are they playing?

Blue Jays. We're apparently really good now. Okay. Yeah, we've got some Buffalo Blue Jays. Yeah, exactly. That's what we're calling. Aren't you a Mets fan? I am. You didn't realize the Pirates just kicked their ass. No, we came back yesterday, thank God. They won two out of three or something, though, didn't they? We blew two, five-run leads, the first two games, and then we came back from 6-0 to win yesterday. Thank God. Jake DeGroms on a D-L now, though, so we'll see how that goes.

Yeah. First place, but we're trying our best to give it up. That's good, though. Blue Jays are fun. So can I tell a story quick about Brett? Did you see this? You're going to tell the one about... So Brett goes to the baseball game with...

Not Columbia. I'm definitely... That's all everybody wants to ask me about now. That story will never come on this show while we're running. Maybe the last show possibly. Never say never. I'm saying the last show possibly. But while we're running, while we're continuing on,

we're never going to tell that story. But so Brett goes to the Nationals game. His boy, Bodey is a huge Fernando Tatis fan. So Brett wanted to take him up there. First of all, I look, I wasn't following the game, but I look, and it started at like 7 or 7.30 at 10 o'clock during the fifth inning. So I'm like, what's going on? Is there a rain delay?

Well, I look at the score. It's 19 to 5 or something like that. I did see that. It's just scoring 100 runs. So I text Brett, I'm like, if you picked a hell of a day, to go to the game. He's like, we left. He's like, we were here for three hours already. It's only the fifth inning. But then, I think

it was the next night. They had a shooting in the stadium. Outside. Or outside the stadium that delayed the game and postponed the game, I think. But, I mean, what a crazy circumstance? I saw that. Did that end up? What ended up happening with that? I saw people got hurt. I didn't really look into it. I just, I

talked to Brett about it a little bit, but I was like, wow. I mean, thank God you guys weren't there one night later. It was like a, like a, you know, disagreement. I don't know. I didn't look at any of the details. I just saw where I think three or four people got injured. And, I mean, you see the clips of pictures of people diving in the dugout. And like, it was crazy.

I don't, I mean, I would thank God they weren't there that night. One day, one, I mean, just. That had been traumatized, yeah. Brett had his three kids with them. So, I mean, it was, that would have been a bad deal for them. But thankfully, they were safe. They're now sitting on a beach in Banana Land. And hopefully the people that got hurt are going to be okay.

Yeah. Thanks for listening. We'll be back. Better than ever. Yeah. Probably hungover. When we're coming back after a race? Walkenstein.

Oh, yeah, we're coming back after the Glenn. I should have a good starting spot there. We'll see if we can try to say in the lead that before. I probably will not. All right. Well, I appreciate it. I'll talk to you guys after the Glenn. Hala.

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