Door Bumper Clear - 225 – Indianapolis: Curb Your Enthusiasm

Episode Date: August 17, 2021

Brett Griffin, T.J. Majors and Freddie Kraft are back from the Indianapolis Motor Speedway road course and its inaugural NASCAR Cup Series race with plenty to discuss. Brett came home a winner as a chaotic finish allowed AJ Allmendinger to capitalize for his second career Cup victory. Hear Brett detail how the road course ace put himself in position to win and what the first Cup triumph means for Kaulig Racing.While Allmendinger and Brett celebrated, the rest of the crew fell victim to the troublesome curb in Turn 6. T.J. shares what happened to Joey Logano as he smashed into the tire barriers while running near the front when the curb came up. Freddie explains his feelings towards the penalty Bubba Wallace received for avoiding the remaining “ramp” in the Turn 6 chicane during Overtime.After multiple cars hit the orange turtle in Turn 6 during the first lap of Saturday’s Xfinity Series race, the track removed the turtle ahead of Sunday’s event. Was that the right call? Or did it invite drivers to push the limits of that corner even more? The guys debate.Curbs became part of the story again in the Cup Series race as Turn 6 proved troublesome throughout the event. On a late restart, disaster struck as the curb shredded cars and caused a major pileup at the front of the field. Should NASCAR have thrown a yellow flag the lap prior? How can this situation be fixed? The crew weighs these questions after the costly mistake.The final restart created more drama as Denny Hamlin and Chase Briscoe went head-to-head into the first corner. As Briscoe was forced wide, Hamlin secured the lead. However, Briscoe cut back across the grass onto the track and was penalized. He then spun leader Hamlin and both cars were then out of contention. The gang discusses whether Briscoe knew about the penalty or not and whether taking out Hamlin was a clean or dirty move.Due to the event running long, the broadcast shifted from NBC to NBC Sports Network. Why did that need to happen? The guys explain the decision making behind the move.The charter market remains hot and the latest rumors involve 23XI Racing and Front Row Motorsports. Could a deal be in the works for 23XI to secure more charters? Hear a few theories on the next silly season dominos to fall.In Reaction Theatre, fans let it all out in response to the curb chaos, big wrecks, Briscoe spinning Hamlin and much more. Plus, was that Toby Keith who called in and played a song?The guys also discuss other on track problems from Sunday including a car oiling down the entire surface and a safety truck on track during qualifying. As the playoffs approach, Richard Childress Racing’s two cars are battling for the final spot. The guys discuss how they expect the teammates to race each other in the coming weeks. Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Welcome to a race-winning edition of Door Bumper Clear presented by Offerpad. I'm Brett Griffin, and today we'll talk my big win with AJ Amadinger and Colleg Racing in Indianapolis. Curbs causing chaos, Chase Briscoe taken out, Denny Hamlin, and much, much more. Let's go. Nobody's listening, but I don't care. I'm on an episode of Door Bumper Clear. Hey, everybody, I'm T.J. Majors. It's part of the 22-Cup car this weekend.

solo full studio brick ruffin spotter for jeb burton uh and then i actually was spot i do not start with the winning spotter i was also spotter for the guy who kicked everybody's ass yesterday a j amandinger i saw uh i'm doug coby sent me a text last night and he's like congratulations and i was like thanks Doug i didn't do a whole lot he said well if you just had a kid i would tell you congratulations on that you wouldn't do a whole lot to make that happen either so i was like Well, that's pretty fair analogy. And I like the fact that you said, yeah, I just watch both of them happen. Yeah, I just watch both of them happen.

It's fun to be there. It's fun to be there. I mean, how cool is it to be running third and first place run second place off? And then second place, spin first place, and have to pit. And then it's like, here you go. So if I back it up to the other restart, we were running seventh on the next to last restart. and I said in my mind, Kyle Larson gets clear here, this race is over. And Blaney spotter, Josh, he and I had some conversations during the red flag about basically not getting caught up in the wreck up front

because you thought there was going to be a wreck up front based on how insane those restarts were in turn one. And Freddie was down there watching it live. I was watching it on TV. But when I saw two things happen, AJ shot the middle and made up a ton of ground. and we had the best tires by a lot because we ran long on that green flag stop. But I saw two things happen. AJ being very aggressive, obviously one of the most talented road course racers in the field. But then Larson ran off the track.

And I was like, Rutt Row. Yeah. They got problems. They got problems. AJ Amadinger on fresher tires with two to go is coming. So obviously we end up there with a caution. Well, when the caution comes out, AJ Amadinger is third. I'm at Rutrow, y'all got problems again because he's on the bottom.

Had we been fourth, I would have been less excited, you know, but I was like, y'all got problems. So under that red flag, Freddie, myself, and some other people are texting each other. And I literally said, we're getting ready to win this race. Did I not? Yeah. I said, we're getting ready to win this race. And I didn't say it in a cocky voice. You know, obviously we're texting.

I'm like, I literally am like, if things go the way they should go. You knew a 10 to go, didn't you? These guys are screwed. They're screwed. Now, I mean, so anyway, obviously then the next restart happens. Well, we proceed to see Denny Hamlin run Chase Briscoe off the course. Well, when that happens, I was on Denny's right. Denny proceeds to attempt to run AJ off the course.

And I was like, wow, Denny Hamlin looks desperate, which you'd say, oh, Danny Hamill is not desperate. Yeah, it kind of is. He doesn't have a win. I think he needs. I think he might have been angry that maybe he had help shoving Jake Vistro off the racetrack. And maybe that's true too, right?

Like, I don't know how tight AJ was on Denny. But again, you have a guy in the field that is extremely talented at this particular type of racetrack, AJ Amadinger at a road course. You have a guy that doesn't have anything to lose. He's not racing for points. He doesn't care about the playoffs. All he wants to do is win the race. And so then I watch.

Denny proceed to attempt to run AJ off the course. AJ, smart as he is, he stops and lets Denny have that. He doesn't get running the grass. And then off we go again. And I'm like, holy cow. Well, then on TV, which is where I'm watching this thing from, Chase Briscoe pops out of nowhere. And guess where he's at?

He's in the freaking lead. Well, he's racing for the lead. Side by side. He come out in front of Denny. And I'm like, he doesn't have the momentum that Denny has because he's obviously been in the grass. But I'm like, well, this guy just went off the course. Now he's leading the race.

how does this happen? What are they going to do now? NASCAR immediately, boom, post the 14, shortcut and whatever, stop and go, turn 10. I'm like, all right, I got to tell AJ, this guy in front of you just running second is not eligible to finish second. And then I'm like, well, what does that mean?

Is he really going to serve his penalty? Or is he going to pull a Robbie Gordon? Remember when Robbie Gordon? Yeah, he won Montreal. And he went doing donuts, and I think Biffel might finish second. Biffel was declared a winner or whoever finished second or won the race. So I'm like, man, what happens now?

So then NASCAR says it again. You know, post the 14, he's got to do a stop and go and turn 10 or whatever. And I'm like, all right. So I tell AJ, I was like, look, man, this guy may blow this corner to do a stop and go. Don't blow it with him. Because, you know, we all base our braking. And we brace back. I mean, I've watched drivers driving to the wall because the car in front of them drove into the wall.

You know, these guys can't see a lot. And so I'm like, man, if we can't blow this corner in order and have an opportunity to win this race. So don't blow this corner if he serves as penalty, but at the same time, be cognizant of the fact that he may stay in your way and he's not relevant to this outcome. Well, I mean, literally, I barely get all that out of my mouth and Chase Briscoe punts Denny Hamlin. He says, see you later.

You screwed me. I'm screwing you back. So now I'm like, oh, we're leading the race, but we're really not leading race. Chase Brisco's in front of us. So now I'm telling him, okay, I know Ryan Blaney is not going to pass. AJ Amadinger. He's not capable of passing AJ Amadinger if AJ Amadinger doesn't screw up, but if he gets close to you, he could punch you. So now I'm like, AJ, you're leading. Chase is not

eligible to win this race. Your only concern has to be that you don't give Ryan Blaney an opportunity to punt you off this racetrack. And so then we just managed that gap. And it was, it was like, I mean, I got nervous not because, you know, the spotting thing. I got nervous because all this stuff is happening so fast and and I've never been in those scenarios. It was really fast. With people being under penalty and the leader gets wrecked. Now I'm a leader but I'm not even leading the race and you know here comes. Oh and then by the way guess who's behind Blaney? Larson, the fastest guy in the world right now. So it was it was just great. What a crazy race. Well yeah, who are you Freddie now that Brett just shared his whole life story. I forgot. What is my name?

Freddie Crafts bought it for Bubba Wallace Jeff Burton this week Pubba actually had a pretty good day for a road course You did He was actually pretty good You were running a 15th before all mayhem broke loose Or something like that We were running up to 12th to one point

We were running about We were going to finish probably 16th 17th And then like you said All hell broke loose and we got penalized And all kind of crap You know how we do what's what an idiot I got to give Bubba like Props for like one of the only guys

and said, hey, I'm not going to hit these. I'm not going to jump to the golf course. I'm just going to swerve to the right and miss them. I guess we should have hit them or something. I don't know what we're supposed to do that. I think you ended up better not hitting them, I promise. But yeah. But yeah, so I don't know.

Let me ask you this, Brett. Oh, I'm sorry, Case. How are you? Hello. Hi, everyone. Casey Boat here. And then, of course, we can't forget about the guy who will probably work the hardest today, Jason. Now that shows three hours.

Let me ask you. you this, Brett. I promise you Brett did not work the hardest. Yeah, I was going to say, is that accurate? I know for a fact, according to the text I got throughout the weekend that Brett did not work the hardest yesterday. No, turn one, I was in one. I'll tell you how hard I work. I tell you how, y'all know I have an eight hour rule. I have to sleep eight hours before every race and I'm not, I'm not going to be good. I didn't sleep eight hours all weekend. Do you know, you know you screwed up Saturday night when I, when you looked around and I was gone. You dipped.

Freddie went to bed before I did. Like, that never happens. Well, moving on, crossover weekend between IndyCar and NASCAR, I would say there was just a few things going on. What were your thoughts to start off? Because there's plenty of things we can talk about this weekend. Between IndyCar and NASCAR, same weekend, tons of fans. What do you guys think about that? Should you keep going?

I thought the vibe was really good. I mean, I personally did. I saw a good mix of IndyCar and NASCAR people. they were there kind of supporting each other. I mean, the IndyCar fans were checking out the NASCAR stuff and the NASCAR people were equally interested in the IndyCar side. So I thought it was, man, it was good. This podcast is built on opinions and I have a crazy opinion and nobody's going to do this. I'm so surprised. Because one, we would have to abandon a huge tradition. But after seeing what Casey is talking about this weekend, I had this bright idea.

Freddie, you've seen me have a lot of bright ideas over years. I think we all. I'm like, man, here's what I want to see happen. I want Indy car to run the Indy 500. And the same weekend, I want us to run their road course the day before. But then you go, well, that's probably, I don't know if that's a good idea or not. But then I look at it, I'm like, Daytona 500. I want us to run the Daytona 500.

And those guys run our road course. And like we could have two amazing weekends together. We could have two amazing weekends together. Daytona 500, boom, we come out, we do our oval, they do our road course. Boom, their biggest weekend, they do their oval, we do their road course. So basically like a helmet swap by drivers do? I don't think, look, it'll never happen. But as a true race fan, I think it would be amazing.

Because you could tell, listen, I thought there were more people there. I don't think this, I know this, there were more people there on Saturday for the IndyCar race. an Xfinity Series race, then there's been for a cup race in the last 10 years on that property. I was very impressed. Yeah. I thought there was a good crowd Sunday as well, but it was, I liked the mix. I did actually think it was cool seeing both there. And man, everyone was just, I mean, it's a good, the atmosphere was really good.

Now imagine we have the BC39 midget race at the Speedway Wednesday Thursday. I knew you're going to throw the, can you imagine if we had, well, obviously, I mean, coming off with Knoxville Nationals weekend. Can you imagine if we were to have that race Friday, Saturday night? I'd say you better hurry up because Roger Penske, that place is beautiful. It's phenomenal. It's prettier now than it's ever been. I don't see him letting a dirt track stick around his property long.

I could not believe watching the, I went up, I was up there for the Xfinity race, getting ready to start. So the IndyCar race had just ended maybe, I don't know, an hour before that maybe. And the amount of people I saw cleaning up the grandstands mid-event. You know what I mean? Usually, like, we go out somewhere, it's, you know, all right, they trash the place and then once they're all we always see them waiting. You know, as we're leaving, they're kind of waiting to go in and clean up after everything's over.

These guys are walking through all day, just cleaning up beer cans and whatever else. You look at that place, and you guys probably didn't notice this, but when you, like, I put almost 20,000 steps in on Saturday walking around, checking the place out and stuff. Same. Every trash can. Right. Every trash can. Every trash can is aimed by the same way.

And I walk, like, they're all aimed at the same exact way. All the, if you, like, I'm sure you went in one of the restrooms, they are ridiculously nice. Yes. And there is concession stand after concession stand and no line, virtually no lines for them things. This place is a million years old. It looks as good. Yeah, man. Like, what has been done there?

This place, I'm telling you, it's like, it's a plus facility. A plus facility for sure. I think their entire marketing team, the staff is just incredible. If you know about it on their marketing team, I need a hat because when I got to Victory Lane, there were no hats left. I'd like to have a hat.

I got you. Thank you. This will be a first. We're back friends on Twitter. Did you follow them back, Casey? What? Did you actually follow them back? Did you see the freaking tweet from the guy

making fun of that booth? Oh, my God. Okay. I have something to say about that. The guy that said the table was disaster, and he's like, I must have just Miss Casey. Did you see that one? There was a high chair. There was spaghetti all over the floor.

I'm so sorry for that. It looked identical to the way the row looked on her plane when she flew to church with me. And all the progress we have. Yeah, we're making great progress here, and then Brett goes and screws it up. Hey, check it out. Josh Barry's full-time next year in the eight. Really? I just came out.

Just breaking news? Yeah. Wow. Well, that's good. Yeah, not to interrupts Casey Spaghetti. Don't worry, you're not missing much here. It could be, I said it back. It could be you guys after a few drinks.

That means something really significant. Oh, yeah. That means somebody here is out or they're going to run five teams. Says he's in the eight, but. But Sam Mary still has a ride next year full time here. I know, that's what I'm saying. So somebody's either out or they're going to run five teams. We're taking bets?

Which side do you all? I'm not going to say it first. You can't say either. No, I'm not going to say it. He's still TJ. Oh, I basically wear a NASCAR shirt. I did. Well, Brett.

I don't know. I mean, obviously, I just heard about it. So I don't have any recon on this. I didn't see this coming. I'm excited, though. Good for Josh Barry. I mean, this goes back to what we want NASCAR to be built around, which is guys that can drive race cars, not guys that are back that can't drive race cars. Oh, I got to tell you something.

Stop kidding. It's a fourth time you hit me to show. I figured out what I figured out what R-W-R stands for this weekend. Oh, Jesus. Rick Ware Rockets Hey, I just want to congratulate I know you won the race this week Oh, I know exactly what you're going to say

I know my notes too. You won the race this week But I think the bigger story is the fact That colleague racing in six races Is now ahead of all four Rick Ware cars In the point standings, 24 races in That wasn't what I was going to say. Wow

But he did finish second Indycar race Really? I think Dale Coyne finished second in the Indycar race Says RWR on it Sure does. All right, well, before we get you guys in more trouble, let's move on to spot-on, spot off. But before that, let's hear a little bit more by the presenting sponsor OfferPad. So, Ginny, what makes you an awesome different driver?

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A free local move, the ability to pick your own closing day, and so much more. Those are also some of my favorite things. Don't sell your home with anyone else, but offer pad. When asked where you heard about offer pads, select the NASCAR options so they know we sent you. Out of first topic. Removing the Orange Turtles in turn six because of the first lap of Saturday's Exfinity Series race. Brett, do you have lots to say about this one? I was standing where I was spotting from, and I was watching this on TV, and I watched Harrison.

Where were you at? I was in turn 11, 12, 13, 14. See you're up there in Big Track, Turn 1. Yeah, Big Track, Turn 1. Okay. And I watched Harrison Burton in this damn thing, and his car came. It looked like six foot off the ground with his front end. And I'm like, what the hell did he just run over a grenade?

Like, what's back there? Well, then I see two more guys do it. And I'm like, what the hell is going on back here? This is the craziest shit I've ever seen in my life. I was so entertained that I was laughing. And it sucks for Harrison Burton. It sucks for his sponsor. Here's who, I mean, look, here's who it sucks for.

Xfinity racing is not cheap. And it took out a bunch of good cars. It probably took out $700,000 worth of sponsorship on lap one. Well, had the thing been there all weekend? Like, it ain't like it, I mean, it wasn't like this big surprise that this jump was back there, right? So, yeah, I was upset that they removed it before the cup race. I thought they should have left it. He won another show.

I think we got a show, too. I mean, that's driving a race car. Hell, I thought they should have added three more of them things somewhere. We just talked about last week on the show. That's exactly. We just talked about last week on the show, Watkins Glenn. Robbie Gordon. You could go into Watkins Glen into the bus stop, take a right, and essentially not even be on the racetrack.

Completely use the rumple strips as your means to go the fastest, and that's not good. I don't know. Robbie Gordon made it work for years. So we have this thing out here that is to prevent you from swinging way wide and using more of the track that's not really a track. It's a runoff in order to go faster. So when I saw him take – I thought – I thought it was awesome. I know that's going to piss people off. I thought it was awesome.

I was pissed off. They took it up. And I was like, well, they just took out a variable from the racetrack that could make Sunday really exciting. Well, hold my beer. We don't need a turtle. Watch this rumple strip beat this turtle's ass, right? I mean, you got a $7 rumple strip, as Lenny said, that costs teams millions of dollars. But Casey, removing the turtle, I was like, why?

Why? I don't want it to remove the turtle. So spot off. I'm spot off. For the wrong reason. Unfortunately for the Xfinity guys, and we've seen this before with, you know, the Roval at Charlotte, where the chican was placed the first time, guys were destroying their ace card.

My guy being one of them. So then they had to, after we, why? He was the first one. After we, I think Jonesy was the first one. And then we did maybe a little bit worse the next time. Yeah. So they had, and they realized, okay, we got to move it. I think the track was just too narrow at that point of the racetrack that.

Yeah, it was there all weekend before that, but nobody raced through there before that. It was, you know, single car, practice runs, you know, you had room. But once you send guys through there two and sometimes three wide, you're just going to cause more problems by having that there because you had the option of hit that, destroy your race car, hang a right to get away from it and wreck who's ever next to you, or do what the aid car did and go left to go around it. Now you're in the grass and he spins and wrecks.

and ruins his day again. So unfortunately, yeah, we don't want it to be easy out there, but I think the track was just too narrow at that point to be able to have that curb out there or that turtle, whatever you want to call it out there. TJ? I hate to do this, but I mean, I kind of agree with Brett. I like having boundaries, and if you pay with it, they're going to use it.

and they've made the curbs now so, like, I know this doesn't sound right, but like turn four or whatever at Sonoma, if you hit that thing, you knew it. You know, it was like the- It upset your race car. You're three feet in the air with the right side. You knew when you hit that thing, and you knew you couldn't drive over it.

If you would have drove over it with the center of your car, they would hit it with the right sides, and they were good at doing it. Those guys were good at hitting that curb, popping the right side up and making the corner cell. Now, if you would have ran over that thing with the left, it wouldn't have messed their car up, but just the way the corner was,

nobody ever really got over that far or any ever had that issue but if you i like i like making them earn it in there if you just make the track this why they're just it doesn't there's not challenging they're just carrying they're wide open through that kink you know what how challenging is when you're wide open yeah and how hard did it i mean in i hate that it turns up the cars to see but it really like i would understand it if it was on the inside you can cut the track or you know in that section like they weren't gaining much by doing that. You know what I mean? It wasn't like they were, you know, blowing through there and running out way wide. It was half a lane to the left of the curb. You know what I mean? So it wasn't

like they had all this runoff room where they were just blowing through the corner and running way wide. And it was super narrow. If you had a shot looking back from like turn seven back towards five and six, the track was super narrow there. So I mean, any time guys came through there too wide, it was going to cause a road course. What's wrong with is we destroyed all the fucking race cars because they were driving over it. That was their fault. Yeah. I mean, the track doesn't drive over the race cars. Like I said, all their option was going to be, which we dealt with this later on with that ramp,

was you either wreck the guy next to you, go left, wreck yourself, or drive over this thing and wreck yourself. Or figure it out beforehand who's going to lift. That was awesome too. Yeah, I mean, but like, you know, if guys keep overdriving, if guys keep overdrive and turn one at Martin's hitting the wall, would it supposed to move the wall a lot further? No.

That's not even relatable. Well, chicanes is chicanin. I mean, you're... You're having a baby. winning a race but Doug Kobe made it relevant. I mean they run they run Monaco in Formula One cars and make passes and and it gets close but if the driver knows they're there one guy has got a lit you got it's it's risk first reward you know and there's a lot of risk when you go in there too wide oh well I'm on this side I probably shouldn't be over here

you know I should have lifted back here you know or I need to have better position on that guy where I can move him to the left before I get there's a lot of good stuff so you're gonna so if If you're too wide, if you're too wide and the guy's a nose ahead of you with a little better run coming through turn five, you're going to tell Joey, you better get out of there because... I'm not going to tell Joey. I'm going to let him figure it out. Okay. And let him make the decision on it. And would... And he would...

Joey would lift at that point. I don't know. No chance. That's the thing, though. That's what makes the racing great through there. Is this guy going to lift or is this guy going to lift or is this guy going to lift? I don't think the racing suffered at all Sunday versus Saturday. I literally, I tweeted before we went back green and won the race, I tweeted, I thought yesterday was crazy.

Hold my beer. Look at this. This is even crazier. Like, what a crazy weekend for us. One of my favorite parts of the Xfinity race was Dylan Welsh made his, I don't know if it's a spotting debut, I assume it was. But he was spotting, I don't know, turn seven or something for that 26 car. And I said, you spot one race and your car is flying through the air. he's the one to hit the big ramp on the right side.

He, like, got all four. I think he retired. I think he's had enough. But he did learn a valuable thing to say when something like that happens. Not my section. This goes back to, like, Bubba, though. Bubba made a very smart decision right there. Tear my car up or miss all this stuff and finish a race.

And he had a solid finish, you know, because he'd made a better decision at that point. I got to give a shout out to our third spotter on Saturday for being open to ideas. because he he unfortunately for him I could see half of his section and I could hear what he was saying and and I saw a car wreck and and I heard our guy Glenn he goes check up check up check up I'm like Glenn when they wreck in front of you you say spin in front of you and you tell them where to go and I was like that was Sunday or Saturday I was like I think I think Freddie was out of because I was like man I might have been a dick right there say hey Glenn man I'm just trying to help you get better

and he goes oh man it's all good um him. I think you offered to buy him a shot. I never saw him. I'd buy him a shot. I think he had a really rough day on Sunday, too. I don't know about spotting on Sunday, but I know he had a rough weekend because he wrecked the hell out of one of them. Oh, scooter. Scooter! Yeah, he wrecked a scooter. Herm tried to tell leaving my birthday party Friday night. Herm tried to tell him that he did not need to be on a scooter. And I don't think Glenn listened. Just do you picture Herm riding a scooter? Just see the headlines in the Indianapolis Star. Indianapolis Star. spotter wreck scooter.

He could use the excuse that my buddy, the quarterback down in South Carolina, use Andrew Clifford. Well, I was trying to carry a pizza at the same time. Okay. Okay, now that's probably something you don't need to be doing. But hey, wasn't a Huron's birthday, too? It was Hearns birthday, yeah.

Yeah. See? We had a double feature on Saturday. Shout out to Glenn. He did a great job. I had a lot of fun this weekend spot. You're just trying to cover up. You ended up in the victory lines.

You told Chris Rice before the, the race. Shout out to Glenn. Sorry, Brett was a d. I was just trying to. Well, because Brett could do no wrong.

I have fun. Okay. When he unblocks you on Twitter, you can. All right. Chris Gavehart says, punt these blockers off the race track. It's ridiculous.

And Denny Hamlin says, 10-4 punting them after Joey Lugano and Cole Custer throw blocks down the front stretch early in stage three. T.J. spot on, spot off. Mike Bagley called Joe Legano

the king of the blockers on the broadcasts do. I thought that was funny. Thank you. I mean, whatever you got to do. I mean, you make the decisions in the car.

You encourage it. I'm not, I'm going to let the driver decide what he wants to do. I'm, hey. Not there he didn't, I don't think. In mile and a halfs, I'm encouraging

protecting your track position as much as you can. You don't get yourself wrecked, but you're not wrong for encouraging. I'm just saying you're encouraged it. I'm not, I mean, listen, I would personally, I would try to defend my position until the guy got there.

If the guy gets position on me, there's nothing you can do at that point. But until that guy gets position, I'm going to race as hard as I can. There is a time later in the race, and Denny wasn't really any fat. We got held up coming out of the last corner or something, and I was listening to the other spotter. We got held up a little bit, and Danny had a little bit of a run, and he wasn't really any better. I mean, you're not just going to pull over for a guy that's running the thing. You're going to be stuck behind him. so we got off-seekins with denny later and down the front stretch

denny was a little faster we just did joe just pull to the right let him go there's certain times when you do that in a certain time like I mean I don't you got to protect your track position at all times I don't I don't know if you I don't I'm a fan of letting the driver figure it out in the car like he's the one that's driving around racing around these guys every lap he sees more than he sees things from in the car and makes decisions we're just we don't make the decisions what he does. No, you're encouraging the decision. Which decision? The blocking?

If you're protecting your track position, I'm all for it. You can encourage him to let somebody go sometime. Why would he do that? We did. We pulled over and let Danny go when he was faster. You did? We did. Did you encourage it? Joey made that decision, but that's what I'm saying. I also giving you a chance to be a nice guy right there and you didn't take it. I would tell Joey is fully aware.

My guys are fully aware when guys are on different strategies and different tires where it makes sense to, look, it's not worth it. So, Fred, should we skip you since Denny can do no wrong? It's automatically spot on. Well, the only thing that, again, I've said it on here a million times, did he punt you?

No. Did he punt the 41? I don't know. I didn't see it anywhere. I don't remember hearing about it. So don't talk about it. Like, if you're not going to do it, don't talk about it. And if you are going to do it, don't talk about it.

So then they know you're going to do it. I had this exact conversation with somebody at dinner on Saturday night. Would you like to tell them who that is? I think it was the guy that was driving our car Saturday. Jeff Burton, I'm going to flip this guy over the grandstand. And I literally ate dinner, I'm like, Jeff, shut up. Like, if you're going to flip him, flip him. If you're not, shut up, because when you don't flip it, you look like a little b-

Just don't talk about it. Let the driver handle it, and he handles how he wants. That's it. Like, don't, like, if anyone wants to say, hey, TJ, watch this. I'm getting ready to hit you in the mouth. Yeah, you're not going to, like. Yeah, I don't know. If they say they're going to do it, they're not.

That's just the course of history. And honestly, the last thing Danny probably needs right now is to do something like that and start a war. Going in, we're three races or however, three or two races away from three races away. Two, two races away from the playoffs. And now is not the time you want to have a war with somebody. Don't be making enemies. Especially a guy like Custer who's not in, right?

No. He's not in. His give a dang meter is going to be pegged with, guys that are you know what i mean so that's not something you want just in my opinion no caution was called for the lap 77 restart when multiple drivers hit the turn six curbing spreading debris and martin tricks junior spins before the field came back through and wrecked oh brett would like to call on freddie spot on spot off i mean just unacceptable it's you know we now listen Race control here is different than race control anywhere else.

They cannot see the racetrack. You know, they, and anywhere, any road course really, maybe except for Sonoma. So they're relying on TV cameras. They're relying on corner spotters. So I don't even know who it was. Maybe the 21 or somebody rips their entire right front nose off. Yeah, nose and pan off and it's flying to the grass. And that ended up in the grass, I think.

But I could see before we went yellow there, the camera was getting ready to, they were zoomed in on something, like the TV camera, and then it switched to another camera, and you couldn't really see. They claim that the curb wasn't, the debris slid off in the grass. They felt like the track was clear. We could continue,

and the curb was not damaged. If, not damaged badly, if at all. Well, that can't be the case, because as soon as we came back through there, the 24 ripped his radiator out. You know, like, yeah. And then that's what,

when he ripped, you know, when he hit that and just sprayed water all over, racetrack. That's why everybody just went piling and behind him. But I mean, where are the corner spotters? Where's the guy that's looking at this curb going, hey, we got a problem over here. This curve. We should have known beginning the race that there was a problem because I think it was a 38, very early, lap two or three ripped his splitter off on it. And there was a gap there at the bottom of it. And that was the biggest problem. It wasn't the height of it. I don't think it wasn't anything,

but the fact that it built a little bit of gap. And then as guys hit it, it got worse and worse and damaged it more and more and more until the point where it looked. mangled. You know, when they finally pulled it off, it was mangled. We couldn't continue to race with it. But, you know, I know they can't see everything, but, you know, you've got these corner spotters. And if you don't have enough, get more. Like, we can't go racing back through there and have a guy tear the whole pan out of his car and dump water all over the racetrack because the curbs damaged. So. And that wreck took out a bunch. And I mean, potential injuries. I mean, I mean, Joey pounded the wall. Thank God those tires were there. I mean, he hit a ton.

the 20 it got a bunch of them i'll tell you the scariest part about that wreck was for for me i saw the i'm like all right go to the right go to that and then we went off to the left and i'm nice and then we hit the tires and i'm and i'm i didn't even get a chance to ask him he was okay because i saw the car i was sitting him telling me don't don't do anything brace yourself there's more coming there's more coming brace yourself because there was more car sliding towards him and i was worried about someone else hitting him in the door because he was wedging them tires and the door was kind of exposed. 37 got kind of close,

but you don't know where guys are going to end up at that point, but I was literally telling him to brace himself. There's more coming. And that was nerve-wracking to me. Yeah, I don't know. Spot. We have like, like we were talking about back in the day, our cars back then could handle curbs more so than if you hit a curb back then

the wrong way, it folded the front. valence under a little bit. They went down there, they'd jacked the car up and beat it back out. Now we're so low to the ground. There's more problems with, you know, our car is hitting curbs than Indy cars. And you would think IndyCar would be like, you know, wings missing, things like that. It's just tough situation. I mean, we're getting so low.

Our guys, you know, our engineers have figured out how to get these things so low all the time for max grip and max speed. and I don't think these are new challenges that we're coming up on that, you know, that we haven't really had before. So it's going to be a learning process on what we can use. If we ran valences yesterday instead of splitters, is this as big of a problem? Probably not. I don't. Because that's all everybody tore off. I saw four splitters with the belly pants attached to him sliding through the track.

So is this something, I know this. Did William Byron do something wrong? No. Is it because of where, is it where that it wasn't as much of an issue in the X-Fany Series race, or was it just the way the cars are set up? Cars, you know, the cup cars are just planted on the ground. They're on the ground. Slot cars.

I'm going to tell you what, they better get it figured out because that car next year ain't going to take a pounding like these cars now. So if William Byron didn't do anything wrong, then he should get an apology, right? Yeah. From who? The track? I don't know. I mean, a car or somebody.

Should somebody issue an apology? Listen, the simple fact of the matter, I think, is there should have been either a camera or a spotter over there that says, hey, we got a big problem over here. This curb is tore up, which obviously the curb was tore up worse after the wreck. But it was definitely worse than it had been all day or else the damage wouldn't have been done to the 24 like it was. 18 or 19, whoever went through there. I mean, like they hit it and you literally saw debris go up everywhere. in the air.

Yeah, the 19 goes in there and just, I mean, to me, you have a problem that is getting worse, and then they finally fixed the problem when they hooked a tractor to it and towed the curb, by the way. But, man, oh, that's expensive wreck. Anyway. I mean, we've used these things before,

and we just haven't had this issue yet, so I don't know that we've ever used metal curbs like that. I mean, a lot of times it's, like, built into the race. track. I don't, I'm assuming. You know, I don't, I don't know for a fact, but I feel like all the other curbs are kind of built in, you know, you know, asphalt, whatever it is, and they paint them. But I felt like this is, this was a, you know, a metal curb that could be removed. But if you had in that same area, all them turtles, they wouldn't hit them. They wouldn't use them. So are you okay with them leaving, taking out the ones in the beginning that we all,

that everyone ripped the pans and stuff off with splitters? Are you okay with leaving the other one? that people would jump knowing. In my notes, I said they should have took it out when they took the curb out. So what do you put there? Nothing. For two laps, let them race. Are we a lot to cut it? How far is too far?

The grass would be too far. Don't go too far. I'm serious. Because what happened? You know, I think that's the next top we're going to talk about. But you leave that giant ramp there. And guess what? The fucking 34 runs it over and destroys his shit and wrecks a bunch of cars.

Well, let's go into that. But whose fault's that? I mean, his. He drove over it. But, I mean, you could prevent these guys. destroying race cars by getting rid of these ridiculous curves. So we're supposed to take away the walls too? I mean,

we're supposed to take him away. Take him away the wall between turns out. McDowell didn't mean to do that. I talked to him on the plane like, I don't remember exactly what happened. Like, he got loose and something happened and he was like, uh-oh, I mean,

but that's my point. Like, I get it, but I mean, the penalty is way too severe for the offense. You know, if you blow a corner, you make a mistake,

now your fucking car is destroyed? It's supposed to be challenging. Okay. Well, I said these things are too easy, right? Yesterday was awesome. Because they're challenged. Anytime these guys get challenged, it's a good show. That's best race I've seen all year.

I just think the penalty don't fit the crime there. I mean, what if you get shoved into it? You know what I mean? Like, it's out of your hand. Like, we're going forward here into topics we're going to talk about. But like, the penalty you don't fit the crime where you just destroyed hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of race car because maybe somebody shoved you off. you got loose at the wrong time.

That's no different than a guy getting loose at a track and hitting a guy in him back into the fence and his day's done. It's no different. Mistakes, mistake. I guess. There's just more. But you can't, you're not going to obviously take a wall out. This curb, I mean.

But the wall's going to take the car out? You can make it smaller. You could do something that it's not going to, there's a ramp that we've got cars flying through the air landing on other cars. And it was exciting. So if you take everything out there, we take everything out. I'm not saying for the whole race. I thought just with.

Listen, no. You're leading. I'm second. Why you got to be leading? No. Why you got to always be leading? I'm second. Oh, you're,

Freddie. You're leading, I'm second. But TJ's still going to come out on the other end of this better. You dang right, because I'm just going to go into that chican a little bit harder. Nothing's there. I'm going to knock you through it so you get a stop and go penalty. I'm going to win the race.

What do you mean? If you take everything out and you cut it, you know, if they want a chican there, it's not a straightaway. He let you have the lead. Oh, I know. I'd punch you through there. Nope. Your car's not tore up.

I'm saying there's almost, there would be, in my mind, there would be no penalty. Like there's no out of bounds there. For two laps, whatever. Like, just let these guys go nuts. Because I'm not saying you should have done it all race. We did nuts.

We did nuts for a while yesterday. But, I mean, you know, we've already seen all day long what chaos is going to happen in that section, and you've got guys potentially injured, destroyed millions of dollars worth of race cars because of curbs that you placed there. Like, for Greenwhite Checker, hell would it. Just let them go.

I liked the turtle shells. I'm fine taking them out, though, too. But I do think you need something. If you're going to have a chicane and there's something there, look, you know there's a risk. And I'll tell you what you can do is track limits. We see this all the time with other series. Well, that's what I'm saying. I knock you off.

You exceed the track limits. I win the race. Yeah, you could, that's a way better idea. Okay, if we cut the corner, that's a stop and go. So you're going to be okay with that? If you have track limits, yes, then the penalty. it's the crime. You got to stop and go because you blew this corner. You got loose or whatever. But now you've got, you're destroying your race car, potentially hurting a driver because he cut a

corner now. I'm not down with that. All right. Well, like Bubba did. Bubba made the best call though. Bubba didn't destroy his car. Bubba knew better and swered around that. Shut up penalty for it. Okay, let's keep going on the same topic. Which I still think is the best move of the race though. Bubba not destroying his car doing that. That was very heads up. Turn six, curbing completely removed except for the ramp. for overtime restarts. Spot on, spot off. I mean, that's what we just talked about.

I mean, spot on, they had to remove the curb because the curb was way too damaged to continue, which, do you agree with that? Yeah, you got to take some. If it's destroying, you got to take it out. But if you agree with that, then shouldn't we have just avoided it? I mean, it was coming apart.

It was ripping race cars. But shouldn't we have just stayed off of it then? It was having an issue. I know, but shouldn't we have just stayed off of it? I'd like to send a thank you letter to whoever left that curb out there that long. My favorite part of this is. You took out William Byron and you took out Joy Lagano.

Thank you, Mr. Curb guy. I love you and I hope I see you again next year. Put the curb. Hashtag put the curb back for 2022. Wheels, I thought, was funny. He said, you know, they took the turtles out and that ramp. He's like, that's a big turtle. We just call that a tortoise.

He's like, what is that one over there? No, I don't think a tortoise. That's bigger than a tortoise. I don't think you go that high when you hit a turtle. Best thing happened on my Sunday was that curb. I mean, I don't know. You just see it again. You know, we talk about you have another huge pile-up because of that one turtle.

I loved all those pile-ups. Those pilups are epic. You're spot on everything this weekend. That's a coincidence. So, TJ, you are spot on removing the curbing. I mean, it was coming apart. It was an issue. So if it's coming apart, it shouldn't be there.

So I'm fine with it being there to begin with. but when it has an issue and it's tearing up race cars and it's malfunctioning, not working properly, I think it's okay to take it out. On the same subject. The ramp was working great. Bubba Wallet sent to the rear of the field for avoiding the turn six curb to the inside on the first overtime restart. Freddie, what happened? Yes, please care.

Okay. So we have a restart. Obviously, restarts are nuts. You're three, four wide into turn one, every lap, every restart. So we end up four wide, I think, on that restart. Then we come through two, three and four. We're three wide. We come off of four, still three wide. Bubba's on the far right.

Yeah, we're far right. The 41 was in the middle. I don't remember who was on the outside. I don't know. But so now I said to him, I said, we're coming off of four, five, three wide. And I'm like, remember that big curb. So he, we're going, you know, we're still racing through there. And he made the decision.

And our options were hang a left, wreck the 41 and who's ever out there, stop and get run over from behind. You probably would rip your nose or fender off wrecking him too. So the 41 hit the turtle. So, you know, I mean, he hit it. So if we're on his right, we don't have a lot of options. You might have jumped him. So our options were, like I said, hang a left, wreck him, stop, wreck all the guys behind us that aren't going to stop. Hit it.

Hit the thing, center punch it, and see what hole we land on the guy. golf course, or go right and miss it. And obviously, we chose to go right. So if you want to call that a penalty, I just don't understand what our other option was. Would you prefer us to wreck all the guys on our left? I thought you just said you were okay with track limits. That's what track limit, Freddie.

I'm saying I was okay with calling track limits. But if you get forced off, if you get, if you get, if you get, if you get, if you get, if you watch. If you watch a Formula One race and the guy gets forced off the corner, forced off at the track limits, that's not a penalty. I mean, was he really forced off? I just said we had no options.

We have no options. Okay, then we wreck everybody behind us. But in Formula One, they call a guy running off. When that guy actually runs you out of room over there, it's not that the 41 kept running you to the right. There was just no more. The lane was closing up. Like you were going to have to go to the left.

He didn't have to run you to the right. Like I said, he hit the curve. So he is forcing us to make a decision if we want to drive straight over the curb or go around it. Formula One penalizes when a guy actually just runs the guy off the racetrack. Oh, I'm just saying. And he didn't do that to you. Like he wasn't running you to the right. He was driving off the guy on his left.

Okay. But my point is he is picking his lane. So now my option is he's forcing us to pick the option of do we hang a left and wreck him? Is that what we do? Do we stop? Because the guys behind us aren't going to stop. We're going to wreck all of them and probably wreck him when we get shoved into him. they also look at did you have position on him well i think we were honestly like door to door i mean

we were i think you were probably your nose was probably behind his right front tire um because bubba didn't have as much momentum off the bottom of that corner um but still i mean here's my biggest issue with the entire thing my biggest issue with the entire thing is the 33 passed us doing this earlier in the race and did not get a penalty yeah i didn't see that so he that probably never he shoots all the same thing and i mean we're set racing so i i'm and I don't blame him for doing it. You know, we're racing side by side through there, and he just bounces off to the right.

Home field advantage. Goes through. Well, I also seen guys leave pit road, too, and there's a blend line there, and they're just hammered. They're just right over it. Keep digging. Like, I did see some of that, too.

And I think there's leeway there. There's always kind of been a little bit of leeway, so whatever. But they didn't call it on anybody. They're pretty strict at the Glen about it. But, and the response I got from NASCAR was, again, we didn't see it. So I don't think penalties shouldn't be based

on whether or not you get caught on a replay doing it. You know what I mean? I do agree with that if Bubba gets runoff there, if there is an issue like Chase, if he blends and doesn't gain. We didn't gain. We were behind. And I actually think you gained one car.

Well, we didn't gain it. Well, the 41 wrecked. But if you come back, if you blend back on the track and just like a restart, if you know, you jump out of line or whatever because the guy misses a shift, if you give back everything that you gain and get back like, you know,

where you should have been or make an attempt at it, I think that would be. Look what's in my notes right there. I can't. Right there. Right there. That one line. Why would I put that at my notes? Where are you sober?

It says, What the fuck is wrong with you? What does it say? It says when you cough and you fart. I must have been drunk when I put that in there. Did you guys do these notes at Big Al's off night? Jason, it's legitimately in my notes. It's one line.

And he stopped mid-sentence. Like, what happens when you cough? He must have hit the Siri thing. His theory was recording a bit. to have been around somebody that coughed and farted at the same time. It's probably you. You've been coughing for freaking two weeks. I'm going to sit next to your ass.

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Chase Briscoe says he didn't know he had a stop and go penalty for cutting the first two corners on the final restart prior to contact that sent death of Denny Hamlin spinning. Brett, you have talked less this show than I think you haven't in a year. So spot on spot off. He talked more than my mind. Chase Selle, I'm sorry, Chase Briscoe ran off the track. Even if he was forced off the track, he left this racing surface and he realistically, like I said earlier, came out with a lead, and he knows that he can't do that. And then Freddie has informed me that there is radio evidence that Chase Briscoe, and look, at that point, it sucks, okay? If I'm spotting for Chase Brisco, and I hear them say, post the 14, he owes a stop and going Channel 10, I'm immediately going to my Channel 2 and asking my crew chief, do you want me to tell him?

because you're supposed to have two laps to serve your penalty. Well, there's less than two laps to go, which means they're going to put you at the end of the field if you don't serve your penalty. It's like you're not out there even though you're out there, right? Not at road courses. No? You have to serve it immediately,

or then it becomes a stop and go. Okay. So, like, that was the rule. If you blew any of those corners. But if he says, screw you NASCAR, I'm not serving this penalty. I'm going to keep racing.

He's out there, but in scoring. he's not really out there, right? So the spotter's job is to pass along that communication. And I saw a lot of tweets yesterday bashing NASCAR saying that Chase didn't know, you know, bullshit he knew, his people knew. I heard it twice. And it's not my job to even listen for what Chase Briscoe has going on. How was at the airport? So, but if I'm spotting that race, I ask my crew chief, do you want me to tell him? And I don't know what my crew chief would have said, right? I don't know what Johnny would have Klaus Meyer, great guy would have said back to me.

But Chase knew he had a penalty. I promise you he knew. And then they told him he had a penalty. And whoever told him did the right thing. And then Chase proceeded to be a complete and wreck the guy leading the race because he was mad that that guy forced him into the grass and he got forced to have a penalty. So this is a NASCAR-Datona yellow line rule for me. This is a you can't go.

in the grass to improve your position. You also shouldn't be forced into the grass to help your own position. Do you guys think Denny Hamlin forced him into the grass? The answer is yes, without a doubt. But if Denny's right and Denny did that because AJ pushed him too far, well, now we've got a whole different level of a different layer of complexity here that we've got to deal with. So it's like we're opening Pandora's box to talk about this, but if we keep the

strictly Chase Brisco. Chase, let's just be, let's go layman terms. Chase Brisco got mad. Chase Briscoe retaliated. Chase Brisco was ineligible to be where he was on the racetrack, and he chose to wreck the race leader. If I'm NASCAR, I'm coming down on his ass tomorrow with a sledgehammer, because I'm going to show every driver in that field,

you will not defy what we're telling you to do, and you will not affect the outcome of the race because you don't like our call. If they don't black flag him right there, do you still think he wrecks Danny Hamlin? Yes. You're not eligible to be relevant in the conversation anymore because of the way things happened.

You know, your playoffs on the line, you got out of the car and you lied. You said, I didn't know that I was being black flagged. Yeah, you did. Freddie told me you did. So Freddy's the line to me. or Chase Briscoe's line to the world. I would never lie to you. Thank you. Chase Briscoe should be hammered tomorrow because NASCAR has to draw a line in the sand on this. And if they don't do

anything to Chase Briscoe, then guess what happens when we get to the Roval? And a guy misses a bus stop or a corner because somebody else screwed him. And they go, okay, that guy's under penalty. And that doesn't matter if it's for the win or if it's for 15th. What Chase Briscoe did, he didn't agree with it. And look, I'm an eye for an eye guy, but he didn't agree with the call, and he did something very unethical. Yeah, I mean, you go back to talking about, you know, if he's forced off. I think, in my opinion, if he got forced into the grass, no doubt about it. Whether it was AJ pushing Danny or Danny getting in there too hot, Danny forced him to the grass.

Where Chase screwed up was he could have come right back on the racetrack. Instead, he decided to hang a left and drive across the grass to get the advantage back on Denny. So that's where the penalty comes from. I think if he was just in the grass and come back on the racetrack and he would have slotted in probably, I don't know, third, fourth, fifth, something, you know, I don't think NASCAR would have touched it. But when he hangs that hard left, like you said, you know what the rules are.

You've cut, there's no way you should gain on the leader if you're in the grass. So obviously you know, and they went over in the driver's meeting. If you cut any of these corners, you must perform a stop and go and turn 10. I mean, yeah, like I was stopping going turn 10. If not, you're coming down pit road. So, yes, like you said, gets out of the car, says, I didn't know. I think he even changed a story, like, mid-interviews.

Like later on in the interview, he knew, but wasn't sure what to do, he said. So, you know, just listen, my only problem is with this whole deal is Chase's mindset, in my opinion, was this guy forced me off the racetrack, cost me a chance to win. If I'm not winning, he's not winning. Get out of the car and say that. You know, don't play this game of I'm not dirty. I don't ever do anything like that. You just did, so obviously you are. but you know just don't don't don't try to cover it up just own it you you did what you did

you wrecked them because he wrecked you or he you know you cost him a win because he cost you a win don't sit there and mealy mouth around oh you know I don't I don't race like that I'm a nice guy like you just did you just did it's on TV you know there's replays and listen if this is straight up and and there's no penalties involved and Chase briscoe gets in the back of Denny Hamlin and knocks him out of the way I'm good with it the guy's got to try to get the playoffs the guy's trying to get his first career win, Indiana kid trying to win an Indianapolis Motor Speedway. I'm good with it.

You know, that's, you know, it is what it is. It ain't the cleanest thing in the world, but I'm not going to come on here and bash him. But when, like you said, you know you're not winning the race, you're under penalty, and now you've just taken a leader of the race out, you know, that's kind of crossing the line for me. Clean or dirty, T.J. I mean, if you got a penalty, it's definitely dirty at that point. But I will say that Chase had position on Danny not once to possibly three times because He got down the inside of Denny on a restart as well down there.

Denny gave him a lane. Chase was able to stay beside him leaving turn one. And Denny just opened the wheel up like Chase wasn't even there when they turned off into two. You probably saw it. And Danny was like, I'm going to run. So there's no doubt in my mind. Even if Denny got hit by AJ, which if he did, it was the littlest tap ever because there was no spikes in speed or anything.

Denny was not going to be passed without contact. It was probably going to send him around. I mean, he was driving that hard, and he did it to AJ twice to Chase. And look, man, Chase got position clean on him twice. And Danny just completely neglected that he was there. And look, and the guy is frustrated. And I don't blame him at that point. Dirty after you get the penalty, for sure, I think just claim it.

You know, look, I mean, I'm passing the guy clean twice, and he just runs me off. I mean, that's, he's going to push you. Is putting and scoring Chase Briscoe as what I believe they did as 26th? Is that a fair enough penalty for what he did? I mean, he's into the lead lap or whatever, I guess, maybe. I'm not sure what that's probably into the lead lap. I know they said they parked him. Yeah, they did park him.

I'm assuming to start a restart. It would be a one-lap penalty. I don't know. I just, but is that enough? I mean, I agree with you that they have to send a message that this is not okay. I don't know what that message is. What is, okay, all right. Look, this will be, this, TJ's going to love this topic.

Matt Kenseth is on the racetrack. Matt Kenseth is not on the lead lap. Matt Kenseth wrecked Joy Legano on purpose. They suspended him. They didn't let the guy race the next week. This is worse than that. I don't agree with that. I don't think it's worse.

It's not worse than that. Okay, it's not. It's the same. It's bad. I think it's. I mean, you have more mitigating factors of, of, you know, this guy can claim he didn't know. If he's got a penalty, if Denny know, like if they're telling Danny,

why doesn't Denny just let him shoot down there? Like, give him, let him go. Denny knew down in turn seven that Chase had a penalty. He's a black flag. Get out of his way. But he's still going to wreck you. I mean, if not, if he moves over, you know, hit the brakes. He's going to fly right by.

You're putting stuff at risk there because. I'm not saying you're not, but he put stuff at risk already. Yeah, but I'm just saying you, you open yourself up to the fact that, okay, he's getting black flag you know, and listen, this happens quickly. You know what I mean? We're talking 40 seconds. Yeah, like this all takes place.

He gets a penalty and getting into seven, I would say, somewhere up that straightaway heading towards the bridge. They call the penalty out somewhere between 6 and 7. So now he's got three turns to acknowledge that he's got a penalty and stop because the stop and goes in turn 10. So this is all happening pretty quickly. Now if Denny lets him go. That's the same thing I say to Chesa,

because you hear that, like, you know crew chiefs always try to fight it too. So you always think there's that time period. Well, that's what I'm saying. Like if Denny lets him go and all of a sudden they go, oh, actually we reviewed it and the 14th's good. Okay, but put yourself in. Okay. So if you're in Chase's shoes and they say, you know, we reviewed it, he got forced off, he blended back up, he came back on where he was, he actually let Danny get the lead again.

We're going to let it go since he didn't gain anything. Denny's the leader still. I would, you guys can agree or disagree with me. If that's Bubba, I would probably not serve the penalty. I would also not wreck the leader. But I don't think I would serve the penalty. hopes of maybe they'll overturn it. You know, and now, but, you know, race hard, man.

I mean, I agree. What would you say? You know, I mean, I don't, I would think that I would just say, hey, you know, and even if I told Bubba served the penalty, he's probably not going to do it. That's, I agree, because people get black flags, they run it out for two or three laps before they come down pit road. How often do you see a guy get called for a penalty? Even after a pit stop, he runs three, sometimes almost four laps until they say,

you know, look, we're going to stop scoring him. They've actually said we're going to stop scoring this car. We're getting ready to go off on tangent, Casey, and I apologize for interrupting the flow of the show. But TJ's bringing up something about a penalty. Tyler Reddick, I'm sorry, Ross Chastain yesterday, the caution came out, and during the entire caution, which was at least five laps, four to five laps, during the entire caution, what was he doing during caution, Freddie? Smoking. Smoking. Smoking heavily.

Okay, Ross Chastain and his crew chief and his spotter know he's smoking. They make a decision. They elect to stay on the racetrack and maintain their track position. NASCAR gives one to go. Guess what NASCAR did after they gave one to go. They said, black flagged of 42, bring him in to clean it up. NASCAR, why didn't you do that during the other previous five laps when he could have done that and been able to fix that, right? So I don't know.

When we talk about officiating these races and all those things, look, they've, I still say David Hoots was the best in the game. There was numerous caution laps there too, though. And I was watching it. So I'm watching it on my phone at that point. And I saw the smoke and I was like, that's enough to come down. Like, it's not.

It's just, you know, you know, that might make it when I saw that smoke, even on him like, yeah, that's not going to make it. So the response from NASCAR, last night again, was that they saw it smoking to begin with, saw he had damage, assumed it was a tire,

rub and they were going to let it go. And then they said it got worse. I thought it stayed about the same, maybe slightly worse, but it was bad enough to begin with that it should have been a black flag. What was going on that time? Like, well, I wasn't listening. That was when, I think that was all to clean up in turn one, right?

So they're, oh yeah, when they, they looked like a lot of speed drive and one. I mean, that was another thing. We go, they come by us, so I'm in turn one of the road course, and they come by us, and they go one to go and turn seven every lap. well they come by us and they have a huge strip of speedy dry right in the groove against the curb and they announced one to go and they have not touched it yet it's just been placed down there they haven't run elgin they haven't run through there yeah so then they come back by and

they run elgin through there with his vacuum and then there was like an s10 pickup with a leaf blower attached to the back of it they run him through there and that was me zeemy cliford clifford the red tow truck that guy hauled ass with a few times so I mean, he, listen, he's doing a good job, but it's not. It was the amount of speed drive they had there. So then they're like, one to go. And I'm like, oh, no, uh-uh. I said, there's no way.

I was yelling at my guy because the spotter official was down by you guys. I'm like, tell them, tell them we can't go. Like, this is a mess down here. And they're like, all right, well, they're talking about it. And luckily, Kip found a debris and turn. Kip said there's debris and turn 10. So they waved off the start. And then we waited four more laps.

But, I mean, we were going to go green for something that took four. more laps to clean up. And they finally brought the big jet over and that took care of everything. But I mean, it was just, but yeah, that 42 deal. Like, we were surprised he even stayed out like themselves, but I get what they're trying to do. They're trying to finish top 10. Yeah. But yeah, there's no way he should have stayed out there. Back to spot on spot off. The finish of the cup race was moved from NBC to NBCSN because of amateur golf and on Saturday morning action from Indy was only shown behind paywall services. Spot on, spot off, TJ.

Is that the NBC sports? It's either NBC Sports Gold or Peacock. I don't know which one it was. You know, Jason? I think it was gold. Yeah, I was gold. But Freddie, back to your point, you were just talking about with NASCAR saying one to go,

NASCAR is got NBC jumping up and down and screaming because this race is running so long. NBC is a business. And NBC sells ads. So whatever the next program was that was supposed to be on that channel had paid a lot of money for their advertisers. to be on NBC. Well, they can't do that if our advertisers, our advertisers are still on NBC.

So people don't realize, people are upset about this thing getting changed. Man, they're trying to run their business. If I bought an ad, if I bought an ad. You want it on there. On that golf show that's supposed to come on at 4 o'clock, and my ad's going to run at 407, and I sit there, and I've spent millions of dollars on this commercial, and millions of dollars buying this ad, and I turn on NBC, and I see these guys riding around under caution in Indianapolis,

well, I'm mad my ad that gets shown. So NBC is not trying to screw you fans. NBC is trying to run their business, and it just simply comes down to that. I think it fucking sucks. I think it sucks that they're changing the channel. I think it sucks that the NASCAR fans are watching, and they go to a channel that some of the NASCAR fans don't have.

I think it totally sucks, but I also know why. And when you guys are saying NASCAR, we were about to go green and we shouldn't, are you right? Yeah, but guess why? NBC's freaking the fuck out because they're running long. I'm sure the broadcasters were probably aware of this and they're like, we got to speed this up. We got to hurry this up. NASCAR dragging their feet. We got to go green.

You guys are killing us. You don't know what all the... There's so many things behind the scenes that people don't realize. And look, I'm not probably... I don't work for NBC. I don't work for NASCAR. I'm just telling you guys, there's a lot of things going on.

I don't think NBC wanted to go back green the last time. I think they wanted to say, let's say there's a problem with this freaking racetrack and stop. Why? Because they're in the business of putting things on TV. Guess what that means? They're in a business selling ads. Yeah.

I mean, credit to NASCAR for not... not sacrificing the race or putting people in danger. Dude, if they to, if they'd have, if NASCAR had called that race, our fan base would have went unclear. Because we say unlimited green, white checkers. Well, something's wrong with the track. We'll fix the track if I'm a fan, right? I mean, do you prefer, what would you prefer as a fan?

Would you prefer a shortened race where you get robbed of that green white checker on NBC that you can watch? Or we've finished the race on NBCSN. These are the same people. If this rolls were reversed and they turned on the, you know, if the golf tournament ran long, and they turn the race on, they'd be screaming, what the hell?

Why are we watching the end of this stupid golf tournament? Because now I'm missing the first five laps of the race. Well, it's the same thing. And Fortune 500 companies who have ad buys and other sponsor reads that they have to do also play in a factor two. I give them props to you because at least they showed three. How far over were we?

I know the race is about three hours and 20 minutes. I assume it was a three hour window. Man, we were on pace, Freddie, to be done. We were going to be done out the freaking door at 3.30, 340. I told you the pace I was on. And then I'll hell broke loose. I told you the pace we were on. How about the start time?

Was that not awesome? It was perfect. Oh, thank God. Perfect. Dude, it was so nice. You eat lunch, you go up to the roof, and you're starting a race. I know why the fans are mad. I'm just trying to educate you fans that are mad that don't understand what all goes into this.

They're not. No one's out to be like, well, they want you to watch. I will give them pops to. You know, they don't want you not to go to see it. There was a lot of NASCAR nonstop coverage, meaning like ads at the same time as the race, so you don't miss the race. I know there's been a lot of complaints in the past about how many commercials there are. I think that they did a great job of showing everything they possibly could. Yeah.

When a race something like this runs long, it's hard on everybody to make, you know, the right call. But everybody, the bottom line is everybody wants you to see the race. You know, it's not, it's just like Brett said, there's a lot of moving things that you've got to understand. Yeah. Spot on, spot off, 2311 racing, rumored to either get one or two charters or merge with front road motorsports. Would you buy, Freddie? Yeah, Freddie. Tell us the truth here.

I know nothing. I am merely a messenger. You still like Kurt Bush. You just said you would never lie. Listen, I honestly don't know anything. But it makes a lot of sense. I would think, you know, I've said on here numerous times that I think Denny is going to rapidly expand this team to, you know, obviously two cars. We're going to two cars next year for them, you know, as long as they, you know, secure drivers, secure sponsors, secure charter.

I think that's kind of a foregone conclusion. And it wouldn't surprise me that the following year, maybe it's three-car team. So it makes a lot of sense if you can buy. And Bob Jenkins, we've heard rumors for years that he's kind of trying to get out. You know, he kind of partnered up with Gillen a little bit for some other stuff. So it's no surprise that maybe his team or his charters are on the market. So it would make a lot of sense. Business-wise, if you buy two charters from front row, you race one of them, you can lease one next year.

somebody, you know, GMS or somebody that's in the market for a charter, you lease one of them for a year, and then you have, you own, technically own three charters if you want to expand to a three-car team. So, or you have a third charter you can sell now. Lease out. So, you know, it makes a lot of sense, obviously, business-wise. I don't see, I mean, I think it would be a good deal for Denny.

Right. I think you guys just heard what's happening. Freddy's just playing. I mean, literally, I have no idea. laid out a scenario that Kate, Denny Hamlin, Michael Jordan, you know, 2311, rather, buys front row motorsports. Which has two charters? Yep, two charters.

They have the 34 charter to 38 charter. So you race to 34 charter. They used to, I think they got rid of them. You race to 34 charter, and then you lease the 38 charter to a GMS. And I mean, look, there's two scenarios out there. So what driver is that effect? front row. McDowell will be in serious trouble.

Would have been. Alfredo, yeah. Alfredo would be, I mean. Well, Alfredo. Alfredo will be out, I think, right off the bat. And McDowell, I don't. Dude, can you imagine winning a Daytona 500 and the same year you lose your job? How about I pass a tanker coming back from dropping kid off at school on 77 at the exit?

On the back of it says, 2021 Daytona 500 champion. Really? On the side of it has got McDowell's. race car. I was like, that's pretty damn cool, honestly. I mean, Michael McDowell is a good race car driver, a great road racer, a great plate racer. He's always relevant at those things. And I hope whatever happens that it's okay for Michael.

He's honestly become a very, very solid plate racer. And it's almost like he's giving up some road course stuff and got better. Like his best races are plate races. Yeah, I literally had in my notes to ask you guys this. is it comparable to say that an oval racer can become a great road racer, but it's hard for great road racers to become great oval racers. Because in my opinion, Michael McDowell got here as a straight-up, Boris said kind of guy as a road racer.

And obviously he lives in the oval world now. It's hard for those guys to come in and be super good. but then you watch our Oval guys, like, they can go honing on their road course craft like that. Let me ask you this then. Does the guy, like, obviously Chase Elliott's gotten really good at road courses? Does he get in a 34 car? Jeff Burton out ran it most of Saturday. So that's what I'm saying.

How good is that nine-cup car? That's what I'm saying. Like if Michael McDow was in that, in one of them cars, what that? Are we chasing him all day? Yes. Oh, yeah. Yeah. AJ Amadinger in one of them cars, you're going to chase him all day.

We talked about that on here last week, you know, put a good driver in really good equipment and I mean it's hard to beat Kyle Larson no kidding yeah you think think you've heard all the stories

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We got your car down here that you dropped off this morning for a detail. And just wanted to bring up a couple issues we're having. The main reason I'm calling today is because we've done burn up two vacuum cleaners to cleaning your car out. And we're going to need you to come in and kind of pay for those. I can give you a little bit of discount on the total price, but I mean, we've got to get these things resolved. So if you could, just give me a call back down here and I appreciate it.

You have a great day. What was double bubble scrubble? Did Chad hire somebody to? That might have been Chad. Yeah, that kind of sounds like Jonathan. We're going right from the show and we're looking in your car to see how messy. Chad actually texts me after last week's show and he's like, man, I'm so glad you called her out. I hope she gets a little better work with with that.

You know what? Tell him to hire a housekeeper, okay? Got to give a shout out to Freddie Kraft. There was a million people at Bubbleoss's hauler to see him in some Indiana Pacer, but there's a group of DBC fans that we wanted to go say I and see him, so that was cool. Also got to give a shout out to Brett for last week on the show saying you don't want to miss this race if you live within three hours. Totally the reason we went and he was absolutely right on it being a shit show. Casey, my fiancee loves you.

TJ, you're not terrible. Jason, you're super cool. And Mike Davis, you suck. Wow. That's probably a long time listener because wasn't that, that was the thing back in the day, wasn't it? That had to go back a ways. Huh. Can we just let them run the last four laps around the regular Oval?

Because this is a fucking fucking show. I promise you, after turn one of the Oval, you're going to be wishing they were back on the road course. We did that on the Oval. Was it your Casey won? Yeah, with the speedy job everywhere. Two laps were like an hour long. And Brad missed the restart or something in Casey won, right?

Yeah. Yeah. Texas 2020 Bristol Dirt Race visibility, Cota visibility, New Hampshire rain, and the Indianapolis Curbs. This is becoming a very unsettling trend and somebody needs to be held accountable for the amount of races that have been completely altered by NASCAR's inability to recognize hazards on the track. It's becoming a joke at this point.

And I think the saddest part about it is this was a damn good race that instead of us talking about how great of a race it was, we're going to talk about curbs. What a shame. It was a damn good race. I agree with them on that. I mean, honestly, though, the race was, I thought was pretty good. Overall, I thought there was some decent passing, some high-speed sections, some technical sections. I thought the race was pretty good. It was entertaining to watch from me.

I've never seen a more exciting turn one in my life. I'm going to go in. And you will say it was crazy. It was crazy. But damn, man, these guys, they can drive through there five wide and make it. It's insane. We always think someone's going to get under just take everybody out. No, man.

If I live within three hours of that place, I'm going to call the track this morning. I don't know if we know if we're even running the Indy Road course next year. 99%. don't because that would anyway, I would call the track and I would say if the last car's coming back here I want to seat and road course turn one as high as I can get

because holy-hitting entertainment. Dude, you don't have to be high. You don't have to be high up there. Like you can literally do you, Freddy. I mean, you can be. I mean, I was on the top road. But it's not even that high. You're literally like you could hit the race cars

with a baseball. Like you're that close and they are, doesn't not look like the first few times they come down like Briscoe comes down that straight away? And I'm like, all you pee. People on TV or on Twitter or on this call-in show. Could you imagine yesterday buying a ticket to this race and taking your lawn chair and going up there and sitting on that grass right there where those gases were?

Do you think those people have fun? Dude, as long as I didn't get hit with anything. Whoever videoed that area, I saw a few people that were videoing right when Joey wrecked, I can only imagine. Did you see him run back? Do you think all those people that carried in their lawn chairs? are going to want to come back next year. They're going to tell their friends that all come with them too. Yeah.

But that, I thought it was awesome. I mean, I hate that we wrecked. I didn't like that part. But, I mean, as far as the race. I told Chris Rice on one of the red flags, because we were, we didn't, we didn't, I didn't care, but we're there to win. We're there. We're there to get ready to learn.

We're there to get ready for next year. You're going to put yourself out front. Thous percent. I keyed up on Channel 2 and I said, hey, Chris, everybody else out here is real nervous. And we're like the only team here that we don't. have all these nerves and i was like next year's going to be a different game for you because you're going to be full time like if i'm those fans sitting on that grassy hill i had a time of my life yesterday yeah i don't that restart's in the one man they're going so fast and they slow down it like i'm telling

you chase briscoe come in that corner i'm like this dude's not making this corner and dude he gets the car stopped and turned and makes the corner so i thought the layout i thought was great um obviously a few issues with some other things, but, man, a great race. I just don't understand why the fuck Bubba got penalized for missing a wreck. You got Michael McDowell, stupid ass, flying to downtown Indianapolis, and Bubba swerbs to avoid being just like him. But you got Ross Chester Aen and Sonoma. Did get penalized for spinning out and driving all the vehicle.

the infield to get back to his position and gaining positions while bubbles stayed exactly where he was. I just don't get it. I got a guy's number you can call. I do agree that there's a way we can address that. As long as the guy doesn't gain and you blend back on, we don't need stop and goes. I mean, give back what you gain. I want to give a shout out to Chase Elliott for running the Hooter scheme in honor of David Hoots this weekend, who would have obviously seen the splitter and oil panic explode over the curves on the backstretch right before the big one. Congrats to Brett on the When and T.J. You suck balls. Damn, we're taking a new level.

New level. Chase Briscoe, you were a little b***. Even the announcers knew that you were decued. I mean, he wasn't decued at the time. He was just black flagged. But continue on. Holy shit. I don't know what the fuck I just watched. But if I couldn't be pissed enough that

Denny gets wrecked by somebody who's not even in the race anymore because of a penalty, then Chase Briscoe decides to play fucking dumb. and go, oh, nobody told me. What? Nobody told you you couldn't figure out that going through the grass isn't going to be a stop-and-go penalty. And I'm pissed at Denny, too. Since when did some dumb shit like that become a, I'm going to give you a stern talking to and then accept it?

Punch him in the mouth. I saw Denny after race, and I loved Denny. Prince William a long time. I was uncomfortable because I didn't know what to say to him. I mean, I literally looked at him, and I'm like, and he goes, congrats on the way. I was like, thanks, man. Like, he was carrying that. He showed a lot of class yesterday.

He played that team owner role very well. T.J., Freddy, how does it feel to have less wins than Brett? A part-time spotter. Here, let me say that again for everybody in the back, a part-time spotter. That just proves Brett's the goat. Diner sucks. Holla. He looks like a

f***ing goat. That's funny. Kudos, one thing quick, Jason, sorry. Colleague, first non-charter team to win a race in the cup series.

Spire had the other one. No. I mean, no, Spire was a charter team when they won. We had busted curves. We had red flags.

Speedy Drive bags and briscoe was black flag. We got pissed off drivers. Hard hits into the tire. A lost safety driver and even a fire And the owners talk about their wrecked cars Um um um um um What the f*** NASCAR

I usually love NASCAR This was not my favorite race Having to turn the channel to watch the end Made me want to punch them in the face they've gone too far leave the road course for indie cars um um um

um what the ass car Thanks Toby Keith appreciate you call that I don't know Toby listened Well to leave an audio message 24 7 go to anchor.fm slash door bumper clear and click the

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Take one of the houses that he owns. I mean, I'm not saying where it's at. So, yeah, I would definitely swap with the nice Carolina house. I'll tell you who won't swap. I'm not swathing with is Britt because God knows that guy's put more flooring and God knows what else into that house. I was going to say to you swap with the hotel that he lives in or? I made a joke. Landon Castle made a joke about if I actually sold my house on offer pad because of Danny. But I said I have actually living at Denny's now. I moved in about three months

ago. I'm so waiting for him to find me. So I guess I could just move into Danny's house. I'm going to Merle's in at my buddy Scott Joy. He's an attorney down there. If you get in trouble, he can get you out of it. He's got, man, just the baddest pat I've ever been to. Is he the one that's got like the bar on the water there? Yeah, he's got a tiki bar right there on the water. And the house is old, man. I mean, the house feels like it's a couple hundred years old.

Literally has brick floors. Because when hurricanes come through there, it obviously gets a ton of water in there. Man, no problem. We just pressure wash our brick floors and we're back clean, ready to go. So his view and being able to jump right there on the creek and run to places to eat and hang out, I'm down. Merrill's in, South Carolina. Go get a cash offer on your home today with our presenting sponsor, offerpad.com.

It's that time again where we discuss our favorite Expinity X-Fi more than fast moments. Whether you're on or off the track, speed isn't the only thing you need. So what were your favorite more than fast moments this week? Race winner, Brett Griffin. I mean, I got to be biased here. My more than fast moment is definitely how fast. Fast. NASCAR announced the penalty to Chase Briscoe. I don't know what happens if he doesn't wrecked any Hamlin. I don't know if AJ Amadinger wins that race, but because of that penalty and

because of the way Chase Briscoe responded, Brett Griffin got to kiss the bricks. So thanks. Freddie? My more than fast moment is probably something that wasn't super fast all day, but great call by Matt de Bendetto and his team to. stay out there damaged race car they caught the caution perfect uh they knew they there was debris over in six i don't know if they saw it in pit or just were happening to be on that cycle but they were on pit road when the caution came out so that cycled them back up to third on the restart with a super damaged race car and they kind of just survived all those late restarts and ended up with the top five

days so good for them t j mine uh mine goes to like a a group of cars there that just kind of survived in the back all day there's a point where i didn't you know that it was you know you there was guys like Eric Jones. They were mired back there in the back. And even Ricky, those guys and Bubba, you guys put together solid finishes for just not getting in trouble. We were better than those guys. I know, but you ran smart races and just stayed out of the trouble, you know.

So I could give it to Bubba for missing that curb because that's probably the, I think he's the only one to swerve to the right and miss it, isn't he? Except for the 33. Yeah, I never saw that. Homefield ranch. Here on DoorPubber Clear, being fast is a way of life. Thankfully, there's plenty of weekly action for Xfinity X-Fi more than fast moments. You know what else is more than fast?

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So download the free Anchor app or go to Anchor. F-M to get started. That's A-N-C-H-O-R-F-M to get started. For what an idiot. Brett, who is your award winner? We're going to one of the most famous racetracks in America and we're running the road course. This makes zero sense.

What an idiot. Who was that? Oh, it was me. I give myself the award this week. Jason, thanks for calling him out. Yeah, that's solid. That's probably the best thing you've done, Jason. Is it my turn already?

Hold on. There are so many candidates. Scroll through all my notes of what it is. So many people wanted this award. I had Brett kissing the bricks on here after he bashed the racetrack last week. I crossed that one off. I mean, I've got two. TJ, maybe he'll take the second one, so I'll go this way.

I'm going to give my wood idiot to the 15 car that oiled down the entire 2.1. 4-mile racetrack. Was that at the end when I was at the airport? Yes. Okay. I was wondering about that. So then he comes down pit road. They work on it.

Go go, go, go. And send him back out. And he oils one through five again. And then he's doing donuts on the cut through there in five where we can't race. What, I mean, I don't know who the idiot is. If it's obviously the guy driving it, he doesn't know. But the crew sees, I mean, you see if he's leaking oil, it's there when he leaves, right? Like, oh, stop, stop, stop.

I mean, what an idiot. Just, you, we added probably 20 minutes. At least. It was four parade laps. Whatever long that took to clean up the mess from this idiot just riding around with his car destroyed. When he's going to finish 35th anyway. They called Bradshaw to the race, the spotter for the 15. To the hauler.

To the hauler? Yeah. What did I say? The race. He was already at the race. DJ, who's your one idiot? See, he's not going to say it, I don't think. And I'm going to say another one.

What's your other one? Want me to use it? Qualifying. Oh, yeah. Scary. Yeah, I'm not going to use that one. Of course. I mean, there's, man, I got so many, though.

There's, I mean, I go with any guy that jump the jump, I mean, the oil down's big. That would be, like, you can't. That's just sad so much. That puts so much pressure on other decisions, like switching channels and stuff. That's why the race got switched. That oil down is why the race, the channels got changed. All right, well, I'll take that one, then you can have the other one. Go ahead.

Great. So. now I'll be back we reached out on this again also obviously I don't know if I'm assuming by now everybody has seen it but a chase truck, Corey LaJoy is on his qualifying lap as time expires

which I'm sure you know the rules but as long as you get to the start line which is a turn 11 as long as you take the green flag before time expires you may finish your lap so there had to be some kind of miscommunication which is a good thing now yes that's way better

yeah but I don't know where the miscommunication happened whether you know the I think there was debris over there for the chase truck to go pick up and I think he was told to get it but I don't I think he misunderstood maybe or or whatnot but I think when time expired he decided oh you know it's over I'm coming out here and he's rolling down that straightaway and here comes Corey the joy at full song and thankfully the lights were flashing and Corey's seen it and it was You know, it was, it could have been a lot worse, obviously. Corey had more time to react, but that, I mean, that just can't happen. You know, just whoever screwed up there that, you know, whether it was a driver or whatnot, you know, that, that just, again, unacceptable cannot happen. I hear you loud and clear. And I agree it cannot happen because it's dangerous to those people that are in the truck. But I also say, I've never seen this happen in my 20 plus years.

career during a qualifying session or race session for that matter that we're under green with a safety truck in the way. I think it goes back to the guys that are looking at all these monitors and can't see the racetrack. And so I can imagine that someone got their ass chewed over this because you look less than minor league when this happens. And I just, I think probably meetings are taking place to. figure out how do we never do this again. I don't think you can have, you know, this happen and your

executives, your executives were watching in the NASCAR hauler when this happened, and they screamed mother-b-h-h-h-h-h-h-h when it happened. So they're very aware this can't happen. I don't, and look, it's, it's really easy for it to happen when you think about it, because you're not doing qualifying like we normally do it, where you start and everybody goes out there and qualifies one at a time and they end. It's a group qualifying session, and clearly the track was still hot, and clearly someone made a mistake. At the end of the day, we're all human. And this was a human error, and it didn't end badly. I mean, I text Corey yesterday, and he was not freaking out about it.

You know what I mean? So I'm just glad everybody's okay, because that could have ended really badly. Yeah, for sure. Time for DBC picks. The race winner, Brett Griffin, is also the DBC pick winner for the week. It is a jinx. Everybody I pick. Freddie, you are still leading with a score of 12 to 8 to 5.

Of course, Brett is in second. T.J, you really need to step it up here. Yeah, yeah, I really need to step it up. We are going to make fix for Michigan. Freddie, you are up first. I need some help here because I didn't study before the show. All right, we're going to Michigan. Then Daytona.

Then we're going to Daytona. That's it. And then that's in the regular season. Okay. All right. I'll take Ryan Blaney. Damn. You still got guns left.

What you got? T.J. I don't have many guns left here. I'm going to go with Daniel Suarez. man i'm either going to go with kirk bush right here or i'm going to go with tyler reddick tyler reddick has a couple of things against him in that he doesn't need to try to necessarily win the race he needs to try to get stage points that might hurt you i know it could hurt hurt your finish because he's going to stage point it so which one do you think can outrun

ryan blaney is it kirk bush is it tyler reddick um i think tyler it's going to be a have a very conservative stage point race i'm i'm going to go with uh Kurt Busch. That's probably what I would have done. He runs good there, too. I'll tell you what. I should do the opposite to what you do because you've never won this particular part of the show.

No, I'm just bad luck for the guy that I pick. It was... Three wins behind me, and I'm not even winning. It was interesting, you know, to watch the... Obviously, you know, they're doing it, but the three and the eight have to be on the same exact plan yesterday, and it's weird, you know, it's such a weird dynamic of teammates racing each other like that, you know?

I mean, so you go in and go, all right, you know, we're going to... Do you lie to each other? Think about Richard Childress. I mean, if he gets interviewed and he's asked about this, he's going to have to be like, well, yeah, I mean, I'll, yeah, it's, you know, it's like, it's like you got, I don't have a favorite kid here. Uh, yeah, you do. Yeah.

Yeah. Your, your, your, your grandson is in the race. Like, he's in this scenario. Like, I just think it's. So, at this point in team meetings are the three and the eight meeting working together closely? Are they keeping themselves private just to try and get on a different strategy? I would assume that they're still working together. I can tell you they're extremely happy that we won that race yesterday.

Of course they are. Because if Fabrisco wins, they're both out. Yeah. See you later, Alligator. So now they only have one more real wild card to go, and that is Daytona. Well, before we close out the show, we have to obviously give a shout out to Kyle. Larson for winning Knoxville Nationals. That was a big weekend for the dirties and community. I got to give a shout out too, man, all you men and women out there in the military.

You know, I know we have certain holidays we celebrate it, but I just had a good friend of mine who's a paratrooper, get called and essentially had 24 hours notice to leave home, pack all the stuff up and go to war. Awesome guy. One of my favorite people that I met. I actually met him through Doug that spots for the 21 car. And just thank you guys, because we don't get to race yesterday without what those guys do to protect our freedom. And it's so easy to lose sight of that. You know, I mean, obviously, you try to be gracious and have a lot of gratitude in your life. But when I got that text on Saturday night, Jeff's being deployed.

You're like, I know Jeff is super excited because this is what he's trained his whole life to do. It's like he's, you know, finally gets to go do his job. But for me, obviously on the sidelines, it's like, man, good luck. Stay safe, right? But thank you guys, men and women, that do that for us. Absolutely. We'll put a boot in your ass. It's an American way.

Toby Keith listens. Hope you all have a great week and have a great time in Michigan. I'm going to Michigan. I think I am too. I think I'll go, yeah, I guess. You going to Gateway? DJ will you be there? I'm not going to Gateway.

I think I'll be in Gateway and Michigan, so really. TVD. Awesome. Thank you guys for listening. We out, holl. Check out Dirtymo Media on YouTube, Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram. Dirty Mo!