Door Bumper Clear - 236 – Martinsville II with Jeff Gluck: Everyone Went Nuts

Episode Date: November 2, 2021

A tripleheader race weekend at Martinsville Speedway set the stage for NASCAR Championship Weekend. Brett Griffin, T.J. Majors, Freddie Kraft, and special guest Jeff Gluck of The Athletic return from Virginia to react to a wild two days of action.They begin by sharing their instant thoughts on how the NASCAR Cup Series race on Sunday unfolded, including debating what served as the spark to the dramatic final 50 laps. T.J. shares the intensity that Brad Keselowski faced throughout the race and especially in the closing laps when he could sniff the win that would earn him a Championship 4 spot.Multiple instances of brake-checking occurred at Martinsville, including between Keselowski and Chase Elliott as they raced for third late in the day. Hear what events led up to the contact that sent the No. 9 car around as the event neared its finish.Then with 5 laps remaining, Alex Bowman spun leader Denny Hamlin as they fought for the top spot. Hear what the gang thinks of Bowman’s move, whether it was warranted and what it says about racing with respect. Was it a cheap shot or just hard racing? Then the non-playoff vs playoff driver debate resurfaces and the guys share what they believe has changed in the driver’s minds.After taking the checkered flag, Bowman returned to the frontstretch to celebrate where he was met by an angry No. 11 car. The crew reacts to Hamlin’s actions on the track, the double-birds he displayed to Bowman and the choice words he had for the winner afterwards. Were his comments justified? Hear what the table thinks and what it means moving forward.Now the Cup Series title race will come down to a battle between Hendrick Motorsports and Joe Gibbs Racing. Is this best for the sport? Who has the upper hand? How will it play out? The gang engages in a lively debate about what to expect in the season finale. Plus, hear their thoughts about if Martinsville could ever host the title race.The Xfinity Series race featured its share of action as its Championship 4 was determined. The always spicy Ty Gibbs had harsh comments for eventual winner Noah Gragson after contact sent the No. 54 car around. Find out what the guys think Gibbs lacks and why it has been impacting his performance throughout the season.A decision to stay out during Saturday night’s race placed the slower car of Spencer Boyd right in the middle of the playoff mix. The group doesn’t hold back airing their feelings about a car that typically runs in the back being a moving chicane at the front of the field as drivers raced for their seasons.Similar comments are shared when discussing the Truck Series race and how Austin Wayne Self nearly cost John Hunter Nemechek a shot at the championship. Find out whether the guys believe what he said afterwards and how the series has completely lost its respect. Plus, is it time for NASCAR to step in?Before Reaction Theatre, the DBC crew and listeners gets a sneak peek of a brand-new podcast coming soon to Dirty Mo Media.In Reaction Theatre, the fans are fired up after the ending of Sunday’s race. Hear what they have to say to Denny Hamlin and then what the gang thinks about Hamlin’s more unfiltered approach to life.The crew then makes championship picks for each of the three title races this weekend at Phoenix Raceway. They dissect what to look for in each event and breakdown the opportunities that the drivers fighting for the title will battle for.Then Gluck answers questions from the guys before leaving, including his thoughts on what transpired this season, the reaction to his column contrasting NASCAR and Formula 1, and what’s next for him. Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Door bumper clear. You're listening to Door bumper clear presented by Offer Pat. Hey, we're back from Marksville and have a lot to cover after an intense finish to the round of eight. We have a special guest in the house to help us react to it all. The athletics, Jeff Gluck. We'll talk about Bowman spinning Denny Hamlin, Hamlin's post-race response. Cobbush's comments about Brad Keselowski, championship predictions, and much, much more. Let's go.

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There you go, I like it. Hey, everybody, I'm T.J. Majors. Spider of the two cup car, the one truck, and welcome to the Bojangles studio. Once again, we have a Bojangles buffet here. We do. I love it. Brett Griffin's Spiter

for Colleg Racing. We've had all kind of good stuff going on for this show, man. I can't wait. I don't know what we're going to talk about. Really nothing happened this weekend. What a boring race. This is up, Spotter. Freddie Crafts, Spotter for Bubble Wallace, Derek Krause, Jeb Burton.

Solid work there on that last one this weekend. All good. All across the board this week. But yeah, we'll get into that. What's up, Casey? I see you're back in the cage for some reason. Yeah, thanks, guys. I guess I got in trouble this week.

And, of course, we can't forget our very special guest. Hey, everybody. I'm Jeff Gluck from The Athletic. and longtime regular listener of this show. So I appreciate you guys letting me be here so that I don't have to go back and listen later. I just listen live and just get it over with all the same time. We've been trying to get you in here all year,

so I'm glad it finally worked out. I kind of invited myself, I kind of feel like that I was like. You reminded me that I invited you. That's what happened. Jason, did we have him sign a waiver? Because, you know, he has to hear everything alive. Yeah, I'm sorry for anything Brett says to you. We have to say that up front.

Is that what that legal form said? Yeah, yeah. It's basically all that covers. Just walking into the studio today, I think Brett has offended three people just through the walk from the parking lot. I think what Jason had you sign was he wants you to do affiliate marketing for him because he signed up for Tinder over the weekend. Wow. Didn't sign up for over the weekend. Jeff goes, wow.

I saw something about swiping right. I don't know. Well, stage to the experience wasn't that interesting, so I was distracted. I just want to let people know because I'm very honest, want to share what that's happened. You know what it was Brett? It was great content. I mean, it was awesome content. How was the content on Tinder, Jason?

Yeah, so wait a minute. High quality content. Wait a minute. You really signed up for Tinder. I didn't sign up for it. He just happened to be. He was already on it. Yeah.

He didn't need to sign up for it. He was already on it. He's a veteran. So, he's got badges. Tinder vet. Do we have any dates set up yet? I think we should talk about Martin's video. So.

I agree because your love life cannot be excited. Yeah, if you did have it. For four years, there's no chance. Like, how many. Did you match with anyone in Martinsville? I wasn't at Martinsville. Could you imagine matching with somebody at Martinsville? JJ, did you hear what you just said?

There are matches in Martinsville. I'm leaving. I learned from experience that when this was back when I was single, sorry, Chad. If you put the mileage through Talladega, Talladega, you'll get some real winners. Wait a minute. You were on Tinder in Talladega looking for winners.

Casey's on Tinder right now. Oh, goodness. Sorry, Chad. Sorry, Chad. You remember what the. Dutch Inn used to be like, right? You don't want to match with anybody in Martinsville. That would be a terrible idea.

I don't want to talk about the Dutch Inn. What would Cal Bush's words yesterday? I don't know. Somebody's terrible. That would be, if you match with somebody in Martinsville, you should leave. You ever have the Dutch flu? Yes. You ever have the Dutch flu, Jeff?

I ended my own podcast on the tear down. And so when you just said that word just now, I had to look over Jason because I wanted to see how he handles it. He scribbles the town. The poor guy gets, he's been. Gotta have carpal tunnel. This is the advantage of being here. I was like, I get to see behind the scenes of how the bleep comes to like, you know.

They can cuss it. I mean, you'd be like, you'd be like, you just cut it right out. It's easy. Oh my God, the poor guy. This stresses me out as a podcast editor. So here's a difference. You just got the Denny double birds. The show comes out of 530.

There wasn't a lot of cussing. Show comes out of eight. There was a lot of cussing. Yeah, we could just be like, those bleeps are not like super easy to put in. I'm just telling you. You can see. I mean, he already has half a page. So it's really good if you just throw little ones in there, like they do all the time.

You're like, yeah, you know, this cat, fuck him. And then he was, oh, he has to do, like, all these little edits and stuff. Takes forever, like, f doesn't it? I've said more effort for his show. I honestly feel bad for him at this point. I know my job is to, like, keep the show going. But you're seeing Jason's face right now. He's a fucking hack.

Okay, Doug. Jeff, you brought out the best than TJ. in this live way ever. I like, like, I can't even believe, like, being, being able to be here and see it and just look at his face instead of listen to it, like, on my car radio.

Scream pack, doesn't it? Like, his face is dropping at all the work you're creating for him. Like, I legit feel bad for him right now. His fingers are going like this right now. I feel, I'm really sorry, Jason. Oh, Martin'sville. Martinsville. Yes.

So, TAMBET 4 is officially sets. I don't know if you guys had any surprises by who. that last person was. But, um, Jeff, I want to get your take because we're sick of hearing from these guys already. What, what did you think of the expinity 500? Well, I mean, you know, it was kind of one of those races where you're like, oh man, maybe this is going to be the Martinsville race that's straightforward finally and like craziness doesn't happen at the end. But I, I was reminded last night that that is always what we think for a lot of the Martinsville races. And then by the last 100 laps, stuff always happens.

But at the time, you're like, you're like, oh, that's kind of tame. I don't know. Maybe it's just going to be, maybe somebody's just going to run away with it. You know, the points margin wasn't that big for a while. There wasn't that much drama. You're just like, oh, okay.

And then for whatever reason, like one caution triggers it and all the craziness breaks out and then it's just on. Yeah. The gets turned upside down. Then it got crazy. Honestly, though, I didn't look at the points all day. Jeremy, we didn't even, honestly, I didn't get a,

pulling update till probably the last 100 laps like just go and race i mean so much stuff can happen at martinsville in a span of 50 laps that if you're worried about it in the very i mean just go and run you know you got to get through that first three 400 last before you even consider having a shot at you know winning the race or doing something like that but um they had to get exciting from a fan's point of view yeah they like they told me i forget what point in the race it's probably more than a hundred to go but I asked about the points just so I knew like if anybody was gonna be super aggressive or not. Where were you guys in the points?

I'm just curious. Uh, 21st, I believe still. Um, but the, uh, they're like, ah, Truex is 12 did a good right now or 13 to the good. You know, it's not really that close. And then I looked up on the big screen there in the infield, like one of them late restarts and I'm like, holy shit, they're all one point away from each other. Like,

what the hell happened? Like, I looked and I guess Truex lost some and they gained some. I was like, oh God, this is going to get exciting up front. But, Yeah, just like you said, that was probably 100 to go when I asked, and they're like, oh, it's not that close. And then all of a sudden, with, you know, whatever, 50 to go, they're like, oh, yeah, by the way, it's all within a point now. I think the intensity, you were watching at home, right?

I think the intensity, you could probably say something on two. The intensity picked up as Kyle, as the must-win cars got closer to the front. Like, I think, anyway. I mean, we weren't very, the last run, we got better as the race later in the race, and I think that made it interesting as well as Kyle got up there, too. so you had two must-win guys. And then Bowman, you know, Bowman and them guys weren't back and down. And they shouldn't either, you know, but that probably made it.

When you get must-win cars up there that you know are going to be more aggressive, then I think that makes it. I personally thought the intensity picked up when you intentionally erect a leader. Which time? The best car in the field. Chase Elliott. No. Yeah, are we talking about that later?

That's the first topic. Yeah, but that's still when the intensity picked up, you changed the whole dynamic. of the race. Brad never did anything like that when he had another spotter. Yeah, well, you know, they give me that little button. It's like a push to pass and I'm like torpedo. I do think though, TJ, that like that Brad kind of kicked off the intensity now that I'm thinking about. I mean, because when he started driving at like another level, like he started driving with extra aggressiveness. Like, okay, when you got to, okay, now we got to go. And that was almost like a cue

to everybody else. Like, whoa, you guys see what Brad's doing out there? Like he's going for it. And then it's like, all right, well, I guess I'm going for it. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. I mean, it definitely, it definitely, that was like 50 to go. So, and we actually restarted eighth or something like that. There was a point where you had a chance to get in on points. And I was sitting here going, how is this even mathematically thing? Because you guys, obviously, I felt like you were in a must-win thing.

If Truex had an issue, that was the big thing. I think if Truex had an issue at all, and after he had that contact. He had a lot of issues. After he had that contact with the wall, I was like, oh, man, that's going to be, that's not good. I didn't think he could finish the race with those times. One of the funniest parts of the race for me watching was TrueX is in that position, and Kyle Busch's brother, Kurt, ran Truex into the fence. I mean, he literally took him into the wall.

And I was like, wow. Hard hit. And then the guy that Truex was going to have to pass to break the tiebreaker, because at the time, Truex and Kyle were tied, the guy that Truex was going to have to pass was once again, Kyle's brother, Kurt. And Kurt was just steady on his right side, just hold him down. I'm like, man, the brotherly love here is crazy.

And I mean, maybe it wasn't that, but watching as a fan, I was like, is he doing this for his brother? Like, is he running this guy in the fence? Is he racing this guy this hard? Because we all know that Kurt's obviously going to Toyota next year. So clearly you would think maybe there would be some affinity and loyalty to where your future's at. But I thought Kurt was playing a pretty big role in that whole who's going to make it, who's not going to make it too. As did Alex Bowman, obviously. Yeah, I mean.

The non-playoff guys were, I mean, typically, I mean, when the Chase first started back in the day with Sprint, obviously we called a playoff now. We saw the playoff guys get good treatment. We didn't see that yesterday. But we were at Martinsville for a cutoff race. You didn't see it all weekend. No, no, not at all. I mean, perfect example is Ryan Blaney and Austin Dillon. Yeah, there was.

I did not realize that last week's events would really follow. into this week's. I don't know, Freddie, you were talking about looking to see where the guys around you were in points. How did that impact you and how you ran, especially with the Toyota drivers? Nothing, nothing really. You know, like, you're more so looking at guy. Like, when I ask that question, I want to know if there's going to be somebody behind me that is going to be super aggressive or right in front of me that needs to be super aggressive. So we watch for wrecks. We really don't adjust how we race. We had some kind of plan in place if, you know, for restart lineups to maybe assist some of the playoff guys if we ever got in that position. But, you know, we never did.

And it was still going to be hard to do because, you know, you don't know what the guys around you're going to choose. But yeah, like when I ask that question, I'm basically just looking out for my own team to make sure that we're not going to have a huge wreck in front of us if some guys got to gain two spots on this last restart or something. But what did you say when Eric Jones decided to? I said, get ready. There comes. Bubba washes up the race shack in the middle one and two. Did you see this, Brett? Yeah. And then he, Eric goes down. on the backstress and just blast

him and says Bubba. That was a good save. Hell of a say. I thought he was going to hit the wall and he didn't. We were trying to get around and we were better than him and we had gotten shuffled on a restart. We got stuck behind Harvick, which was like the end of the world on every restart. So we went backwards again. We got stuck behind him. We were better than him. And

he was pitted right in front of us. So Bubba starts working him over a little bit. I'm like, hey, remember, like if we jacked this guy up, he could really ruin the rest of our day. He could block this in the pits the rest of the race. So We were, we, I don't know if he changed the way he was driving at all, but like we, he kind of was working on my work, finally got underneath him. And then just kind of got in too hot, slid up the racetrack and door slammed him. And I'm like, oh, God, I hope we don't get clear.

I hope he didn't hit him hard enough because he was able to get back down. Once he got clear behind us, I was like, getting ready to ship you, hold on. And here he comes. But I don't think Eric did anything wrong. We ran them over. You know, we were, you know, we were, we were on fault on the first part. I thought it was exciting. Yeah, it was.

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help you make that happen. When asked where you heard about OfferPad, select the NASCAR option so they know we sent you. All right, spot on, spot off. Brad Kislauski gets in the Chase Elliott and spins him while battling for third with 44 laps to go. I saw nothing.

TJ. Let's hear how this was the ninths ball. I didn't see anything. What? I didn't see anything. I didn't see anything. was looking at the other end, see if there's a wreck. Why did Chase back into you guys? So that's the beginning of it, by the way.

I don't know if you saw that. So we're trying to get by Chase. He's being really hard, moving down, he's running up. We get a good run. He moves down to the bottom and gets in front of us to slow us down even more. And Brad gets into the back. I'm talking like, you know, the Martinsville, hey, I'm faster than you in the middle. Like, you're already basically, and I've got a win.

Why are we racing? Why are you racing super hard like this? and Brad gets in him and then off of two, Chase slams the brakes. Did you see that? Break check. He breaks,

that's how Martin got his first damage because they stacked up all behind us and I think it Martin, one of his vendors got caved, the left front maybe, something like that. Everything he had was caved by the end. Yeah, but not,

then he hit the wall, but yeah, he just spikes the brakes. And I mean, I'm not talking just like drag the brakes. I mean, he spikes the brakes. And, like, why? Like a Ty Gibbs break? like trying to rip the nose of our car off because we bumped him in the middle of the corner because we're trying to go win the race like you're at martinsville man is you have you never bumped anybody

when you're a little that's what you do i'm not saying you wreck the guy or whatever but and then i think from that point i'm saying from that point i'm saying from that point on you know brad's probably gonna he you got to go we got to win like you got to like i'm not going to keep playing around and you know i'm not saying brad wouldn't intentionally wrecked him i think he was trying to run the highest radius he could like bowman was and get turned and make a run off the corner and he got a little loose and collected him a little bit and when you hit a guy on the outside and left for he he spends just just a little bit hey it's no different i mean it wasn't hard enough to you know ruin his day but it definitely put him in the bag it didn't help no it didn't

help but again though like he's in on points basically right like why like you got a guy what's that he'd clinched yeah by that so why why even put like you know why break and i'm not like i'll like you can see it like why why why be that aggressive Hitting the brakes, like that's a, what kind of move do you think that is in Martin'sville, hitting the brakes on next to the corner? Is that a, what kind of move is that? I mean, look, we talk about it all the time on here. Chase Elliott, he doesn't race that clean.

I mean, he's a pain in the butt to race. Nobody ever really talks about it publicly, but we do. Here's what I'm wondering what Chase is thinking, right? Who would I rather have racing against me at Phoenix? Would I rather have a Gibbs car or would I rather have a Penske car? And honestly, I'd rather be racing against Brad Caslowski than I would, Kyle Busch or Martin Truax. So if you're going to play that I'm going to race like a butthole card, I wouldn't have picked Brett Keslowski to be the guy.

I mean, I think Brad has overperformed in this playoff. Maybe it's because TJ went to spot for him as far as my expectations. I wasn't going to my original comment, I think when those guys started racing each other that way and Brad turned him around, I think it made everybody's fever go up and everybody went up. Yeah, I mean, I honestly caught me off guard for him to be racing that. It's, it's, you know, I watch Xfinity Race play out at the end, and those guys up front raced each other so clean. And I tweeted before the race yesterday, you're not going to see that in the Cup Series,

because sponsorship in the Xfinity Series is $5 million. Sponsorship in the Cup Series, Jeff, is $15 million plus to get these kind of guys to go out and drive. Plus, they're going to win millions of dollars more if they make the, make the freaking championship and win it. So there's just too much more on the line for those guys not to, I'm not saying he intentionally wrecked him, but they're trying a lot harder than those other guys because of what's on the line. So I have a legit question for you guys, though, because, you know, the whole lack of respect thing has been a theme lately, right? So when you see a move like Kozlowski racing so hard that he washes up and takes chase out or even Bowman, I know we have a lot to talk about, so I don't want to derail it too much.

But I'm just wondering, does that fall under the lack of respect that do these guys know that they, do these guys know that that they, they're that close to the line that, okay, you know, I'm probably, I might step over here. Like, if I'm Bowman, I might take out Denny. Oh, well, I don't really care that much. Or is that just so unintentional that that's not the same as the blatant lack of respect that we see in other cases? Yeah, I personally think at Martinsville, the driver thinks in situations, if I get in a little bit too hot and I get into this guy, it's going to suck for him, but I'm going to put him in the marbles and I'm going to drive away and get clear.

And I think yesterday we just saw it go too far. I mean, Bowman got in way too hot. He almost looked like he was wheel hopping on the replay that I saw. I mean, his will was already turned to the right. He entered way too high. He'd already missed the corner. And I think it was to try to screw Denny up. I don't think he meant to wreck him, but obviously in both situations, they ended up wrecking somebody.

So it goes back to accountability. No matter what, if it's disrespectful or not, it's still your fault. It's still your fault. Yeah, it's Brad's fault that Chase Ellie wrecked. Yeah, I mean, for sure, right there. Just like it's Bowman's fault that Denny Hamlin wreck. At Martinsville, those guys are, not to say they're more in control, but the corners are, you're a lot slower than, you know, a mile and a half.

So you can go in there and running two feet higher at Martinsville is a huge difference. Huge. So if you can get, you're trying to get as close to that guy as you can, because he's using the bigger radius for momentum and a run, you're trying to run, do the same thing, and you're taking as much as he'll give you. And, you know, if you're driving off him, you put a little wheel to it too much and it kicks out, then you've got to catch it.

Guess he's right there. When you catch it, you're going to hit him. The guy on the outside can make the guy on the bottom not get pointed and not be able to get back in the gas. And so that guy on the bottom is trying to do exactly what TJ's saying, flush him up to be able to get pointed, get back to the gas and have a forward drive to clear him. And it just, they got greedy. You don't intentionally wreck like that either because you're risking your right front tire.

If the tires hit like that, you're risking your right front tire as much as their left rear. But the reality of this thing, Freddie, is. this package, this car hasn't produced wrecks at a lot of places where we were used to Rex and fans still like to see Rex and finally we saw some wrecks. Yeah, I think you classify those yesterday, in my opinion, as racing deals. You know, like that's two guys that are racing hard, trying to get everything they can, they got into the guy outside of them and turn them around. I wouldn't call that disrespectful.

You know, it's hard racing and you could, you could, you know, give them more room if you really wanted to, but I would, I would akin disrespect to what we saw the 52 do in the truck race. You know, like, that's disrespectful. That's over the line for me. But what these guys did is just hard racing. I think they were just trying to get too much. And, like you said, if you can get in a little bit, you tell

yourself, if I get in just a little bit harder and get up next to him here, I'm in. Well, now I'm a little free, I'm wheel hopping, whatever, and I clean the guy out, oh, well, you know. But, you know, like, to me, those are just two racing incidents where two guys are just trying to get a little bit and maybe just overstep a little bit. Brad tried to pass him numerous. It wasn't like he

up there the first time I just rectum. I mean, we were moving around trying to get it, you know, and I do think spiking the brakes on exit is a lot. To me, that's like really trying to screw somebody up. I mean, I don't think, do you think a bump in the middle of the corner? He didn't even go up the racetrack or anything. Do you think a bump in the corner is worth that break check on exit? Like we were talking about.

I'm not surprised Chase Selly did that. I think break checking is the dumbest you could do on the racetrack. Well, he's trying to rip the nose of the car. You know, but you're, okay. risking yourself getting turned around. You get yourself turned around or the back of your car wrecked. You know, like I thought the same thing about Ty Gibbs and Sam Mayer on Saturday night. Yeah.

Like, that's idiotic. Alex Bowman spins Denny Hamlin while battling for the lead with five laps to go. Spot on, spot off. Freddie. I mean, spot off. I can't believe you wrecked my boss. What an a... Listen, same thing.

You know, it's a hard racing. It was a hell of a race. I think Denny was... This is not me being the Denny promoter, but I think Denny was running a... a perfect defensive line, defensive race up there, where Alex was clearly better than Denny. And Danny was just running the perfect line where Alex really could.

Alex was probably going to have to do what he did to get around him. Or, you know, he's going to have to rough him up somehow because Danny, Danny was having, had just enough drive up off to where Alex could not get up underneath him and carry the run up off. And he was going to have to move him or, or unfortunately what happened there. But same thing. Like it was, it was a hell of a race. I hate to see it in that way.

I mean, especially what was it? They were still, what, five or six? go at that point when that happened. So, you know, I was hoping to see that that be the last lap battle, but unfortunately, yeah, they got into them a little bit earlier. But I thought it was a hell of a race. I had racing deal. I thought Danny was doing what he needed to do.

Bowman was doing what he needed to do and just overstep just a little bit. Oh, man. I, I don't know. I hated to see a race of this magnitude come down to a guy getting wrecked. I would rather have watched it play out and see truly who was the best driver. and we didn't get to do that because Alex chose to enter the corner a lot higher than he should have on entry to try to screw the guy on the outside. You know, you look at Denny, I think he's got like 46 cup wins. He's checked every box that you would say, T.J. doesn't think he's a Hall of Famer, but he's checked every box to say, I'm a Hall of Famer.

And I think if you're Denny Hamlin, you're so mad because you want to win this race to go into Phoenix as having just won the last race and being the hottest driver in the, the playoff next to Kyle Larson, right, to say, here's the argument, guys, for my team, if I can go out here and I can win this race at Martinsville, we go into Phoenix the championship race, I'm the best, I'm as good as Kyle Larson right now. We can beat these guys, and I feel like that's probably one of the reasons why Denny was so mad because that was taken away from him by what he considered to be a cheap shot. So I'm actually spot off for this one. And look, we say it all the time on here, when at all costs.

And if I'm Alex Bowman, I'm not in a playoff. don't care if Denny Hamill's mad at me going into Phoenix. I'm going to win at all costs. But as a person watching this and knowing how much hard work goes in this, and I want to see Denny Hamlin check that box and win a championship, for me, I'm spot off. Jeff, what do you think? I mean, I 1,000% understand why Denny was upset,

but I also don't think Bowman, you know, meant to do it. Because what was really telling to me was not only him insisting that he didn't mean to do it, obviously, like you take his word at face value, I guess. But afterwards, I think it was Bob that asked him, you know, would you have raced Denny any differently if you didn't think Denny was locked in? Like if Denny was right on the cut line, would you have given him more room or something like that? And Bowman said no because, you know, he was, and that indicated to me that it didn't matter. Like he, if you knew somebody was on the cut line and you were going to give them more room, then you would say yes.

Like, okay, I don't want to mess with them. And I was only doing that because he was so close. You know what I'm saying? So by not doing that, that was like the telltale sign that that was unintentional. Yeah. Which goes back to Tyler Reddick and William Byron at the Roval, right? William Byron was on that cut line. Tyler Reddick didn't seem to care.

Right. I think we're seeing this year a trend of these new guys not in the playoffs are like, screw you. I don't care if I'm not in a playoff. I got a lot on the line here too and I want to win. I think that's a good thing, though, don't you? No, I want to see some room given to the guys who need to race it out. I want to see some respect given to them. They should get some sort of extra slack.

So here's what they do get. They get extra TV time, a lot of extra TV time. So when these guys go back and watch these races, they see that. I promise you, these drivers see that. We talk about it from an industry perspective. I mean, I saw Jeb Burton's wife tweet during the Xfinity race. hey, Jeb's run top four at this point all day. Why is he not on your broadcast?

I think there's a lot of factors that are coming in to these guys where they're feeling more weight of. I can't let these guys get precedent over how I race them. Yeah, but all year the entire conversation is about the playoffs. You have to respect that. And that goes probably back to the overall respect theme. But if the entire sport is going to be built around these playoffs and eliminations and all stuff and not season long points anymore and all stuff, you've got to let those guys race it out.

Now, if somebody's locked in, like Chase was already locked in when the Kozlovsky thing happened, I think you do race them a little bit differently because you're like, if I screw this guy up, it's not going to end their season. It's not going to cost them. And you have to race them next week. Yeah, that's true too. But, you know, if it's like, you know, something where, okay, that guy's on the cut line and I just took away his opportunity, took away his chance because I wanted something for me,

that's not, no, I don't think that's cool. So you think Alex saying after the race that he wouldn't a race, him any differently. You think he should have said yes. Well, no, I just think that was the sign that, because why would you, why would you do that to somebody that was on the cut line? Why would you risk taking somebody out? Because if he knew, okay, if I take him out here, he's going to miss the finale. He's going to miss the final race. That's a huge move, massive move in a whole different way. You know what I mean? Denny.

You're making Jason right. Sorry, I didn't know that was one of the words. If Denny was a teammate, such as a Chase Elliott or Kyle Larson, in a somewhat similar situation, do you think Alex would then have raised him differently? Well, I mean, again, that's what I think it goes back to him making a mistake rather than, I don't care what happens to you. Meaning how he would say it? No, not how he would say how he really viewed it and how he thought it.

Because if it's a teammate, if it's like, because that's why I say, I don't think he was intending to go in there and that being the moment to knock him out of the way or whatever. Because he could have waited until later. He still had time. If they were going to race side by side. He could have done in the last corner. Yeah, yeah. I mean, they had four, five more laps to go, whatever it was. So he didn't need to do it right then. That's why I feel like it was unintentional. But if it was going to be, if it was like, I don't care what happens this guy. I don't care if he goes for a spin, no matter the circumstances. That's where I'm coming from on that. We saw him move to Deney early and then Dini moved him back, you know.

That's good. It is good short track racing. I don't know. I mean, to me, if that's the case, and Bowman was driving over, said, ran out of talent. I think when you, I think to his point, I love seeing these guys race hard. Dude, I love seeing Tyler Redick up there.

Texas is going three wide. Make it exciting. But when you initiate some sort of contact, to me, that's where I draw the line. Like, run them hard, but if you initiate contact that takes somebody out or ruins or takes them out of the race, that's where I, you know.

We're going to always see this. I mean, I was spotting for Elliot Sadler when he was in, the lead to win the Xfinity championship and we caught Ryan Priest and Ryan Priest's race like a selfish and we ended up losing the William Byron because William Byron got around us while we were racing Ryan Priest who was racing very selfishly so man I guess live by the sword die by a sword I mean if you ever hope to be in that position though Freddie like if you ever hope the situation is reversed and you're the one in the playoffs you don't want to be race like that right I think I think that it's it's certain

I think that if you want respect, obviously, but like I don't fault, it's hard to call. Like if it's five to go and Denny Hamlin is one point of the good, yes. I would hope that the guy behind me would kind of do everything he could not to wipe me out. But like at the same time, I am not going to fault Austin Dillon last week when he gets loose and wrecks Ryan Blaney. You know, I would expect Austin Dillon to be pushing as hard as he can at that point because, you know, I think if it's right in front of you, like, okay, this guy in front of you, If he doesn't finish where he's at, you know, he's out. Okay, maybe you can race a little bit different here. But now if there's, you know, two weeks left in that round or whatever,

and you're racing hard around a guy, I'm not going to, I don't think I'm going to lay over. I don't think I'm going to give him any more room or any extra respect just because he's a playoff car. You know, I would give respect to a guy that I know is he needs that spot or he's right on the line or something like that. But if there's two rounds left or if it's halfway through the race, you know, I think you've got a race for yourself. And, you know, it sucks sometimes. And sometimes you can control that destiny. me if if if if you're one or two points of the good there's a guy behind you that's over over aggressive let him go like you know like so put up put like thinking about this way if if like say

brad was leading and alex did that i would be i'd be pretty damn mad if yeah oh yeah because he he crosses the line and ruins we got up there we've earned the lead um you know if he if he's trying to pass is great but when he steps over the line and takes us out and ruins our championship i'd be really mad that's that would be a different situation that's all circumstantial that that that kind of last week hurt Blaney. Really bad. 100%. But like at what point,

where do you draw the line of, you know, I mean, let's just have a fucking 12 car race then. But no, but I think that's where, that's where intent matters. That's where intent matters

because Austin Dillon thing was clearly unintentional. And that's, if Bowman goes in there thinking, like if Brad was leading and he's like, I don't care. I know I'm not in the playoffs,

but I just want to win this for myself. I'm going to take out this playoff guy and ruin his chance of advancing. Yeah. Then that's, that's such a, that's such a, step of like disrespect that I just and like so Alex Bowman spins rat out at the roval but and I know

Alex didn't mean to do it just part of it so and was I upset at it yeah but can't change it so yeah you know guys make mistakes and you know I don't think um I would like to see I don't like seeing playoff guys get just taken out of their spots that they've earned I had he went in there and shoved Danny up the racetrack and Denny lost two three spots and kept rolling I think that's a fair but you know Alex admitted it and he owned it up, owned it, and it's all you can do. Hamlin pulls up to Bowman's car on the front stretch after the race, gives him the double bird and says he's just a hack, an absolute hack. He gets his ass kicked by his teammates every week.

He's fucking terrible. Damn, Casey. Sorry. Jeff, spot on, spot off. Jeff makes us, I swear. I'm spot on for the front stretch thing, believe it or not. I know a lot of people are going to disagree with me on this. I'm spot off for the comments, which I won't repeat because I already cost Jason one.

So I'm not going to make him right down. At this point, just do whatever you want. The show's not going to be released to like nine. I really legit think that if I was in this position, somebody cost me the win. And we had talked about all that was on the line for Denny. And then they're about to do burnouts, like to celebrate that. Oh, hell no, no, no. It was kind of like, I don't know if you guys saw last week this dude dunked at the end of some Lakers game.

Oh, yeah. And Russell Westbrook ran down to him. I was basically trying to drag him down from celebrating. And then Russell Westbrook got ejected. But it was like, no, you do not celebrate that way. And this was, you know, that was just a blowout win. And he didn't like the showmanship. But this was like, hey, I was about to win.

You took me out. I like to see, if that happened, I want to see the guy get out and go, man, I hate to win that way. Don't do the burnout. You know, that kind of thing where, of course they do. They're fine winning that way. But don't rub it in. You know what I'm saying?

He was obviously getting ready to do a. burnout, which he did. So Denny's like, no, no, I'm going to try to prevent this or stop you from doing this. You know, obviously he's hot in that moment. I honestly... He got a front row seat for the burnout is what he did. Yeah, he gave him his own burnout as he tried pushing his car. But, um, so I'm, I'm actually spot on for that. I also think it was kind of hilarious in general. Um, just, you know, the fans were going nuts and it's good content. But I, you know, to say the comments, that's probably going too far there. Like, that's getting pretty personal. Um, You could maybe say one of those sentences, which I won't read.

You know, like you can maybe say the hack part. You could maybe say the teammates part. You can maybe say the terrible part. But the trifecta of all those seems to be just a little bit much. You know, obviously, Denny's always right. So I can't even argue with him. But again, like Jeff said, spot on for the front stretch thing. I agree with Jeff 100% that if you wipe a guy out to win the race, don't celebrate.

Just drive the victory lane and say, hey, guys, you know, good job. We won. I'm sorry that happened that way. But like to make this comment about teammates. Now listen, yes, we can see on the track that the 48 hasn't been as dominant as essentially the five and the 24. I don't think the nine's been very dominant. But I feel like the five and the 24 have had the most speed lately. But the guy's got four wins this year.

He's got the second most wins at that team. You know, his top five is a little bit low. His top tens are a little bit down. But he's still got four wins this year. I mean, that's not a bad season. I mean, he may be a hack. That move, you know, you can call him a hack because he just drove in too hard and a little too high and got into him. So that, you know, I'm good with a hack there.

By the way, you can get, I think I've seen this morning that you can get a hack t-shirts made by the fine folks at Casey Kane's screen printing. But, yeah, so. I think Hamlin had that made before he left the roof. I'm sure he did. But, yeah, I mean, I don't know. Probably like Jeff said, the comments are probably a little overboard. But, I mean, what do you expect? The guy, you know, he just got wiped out.

out. And listen, you know, if this is Kansas, Danny's maybe not as mad, but Virginia boy trying to win another clock. I mean, how many, how many does races as you want in Martinsville? It's got to be a bunch. As loud as the booze were, I didn't know he was from Virginia. I think that's got something to do with something else that Denny's bought recently. But it seemed like that's when the booze started this year for him a little bit. But yeah, I don't know. The front stretch, I agree with Jeff 100%. Front stretch spot on. Some of the comments may be spot off. It gets him one win closer to 50 wins. You carry the momentum into the championship race, having won the last race. Being in your home state, being at probably his favorite and one of his best tracks, man, I'm spot on for everything he said and everything he felt. Because at that moment in time, he didn't have 15 minutes to cool down. That's the great thing about our sport. He didn't have the ability to go to a locker room and take 15 minutes to get composure

and have a PR person, you know, say, hey, I don't know. I know you're mad, but think big picture here. Think about next week. Think about FedEx. Think about all these things. And so that's the best part about our sport is. He's out of his car. He's mad as hell.

Obviously, with these comments, Mike in his face, and he loses his mind. I'm just glad that he can say those things because I remember Del Jr. said, and he got fined a bunch of money and points taken away. I think it took away points. And here we are, and everybody's just raising hell on TV these days. You know what's crazy, though? and I talked about this on my podcast, the tear down last night,

and then I slept on it because I thought maybe I was an idiot, and then I woke up this morning and thought, no, I still feel that way. Like, how are you the one that get wrecked out of the lead going for the win, and you're the one that gets booed? Right.

Crazy booed. Right. Like, when I was running out, like, to the infield do interviews, I heard the crowd booing, and I was like, oh, they must be booing Bowman or whatever. That was really stupid, right? And I, because I look up at the big screen,

and Denny's faces on it, and I'm like, they're booing. He's the one that got wrecked. Yeah. Like, they're booing him. Like, that's, I mean, it shows you how much people don't like Denny, I guess. But damn, I was like, fans are ice-cold sometimes. I mean, Denny Hamlin, T.J., to me, is at the top of his career right now.

He's partnered with Michael Jordan. He's winning races as an owner. He's winning races as a driver. He wins the regular season championship. And the fans hate him. They really do. They hate him. He's the new Kyle Bush.

He didn't win regularly. Yeah, he didn't win. win a regular season championship. Oh, he did not. That's right. He finished second. He led it the majority of the year and then Larson obviously. Way to rain on his parade, Brett. Sorry. No wonder he's mad. No kidding. So I'm spot on.

Every driver is different. Martin gets moved by Joey. He does his interview on pit road. Denny goes up to the front honestly. I like seeing it because the guy's not happy and he went up there, showed his pleasure and went back to the, you know, pit area. Everybody's different. I think that's exciting

because we're all watching. Like, I was still on the roof. I'm like, what's he going to do? What's going to happen? You know? And I'm like, okay, that's entertaining. So, spot on for that, but I'm spot off on the comments because Denny's been in this boat. He's been on the giving end of this as well. He wrecked Chase Elliott and got out and said somebody to run into the back of him and set him in and it wasn't a carling's in four carlings of him. So it's just short track racing. Like Dana's famous quote. Runs Joey, runs Joey into the wall off a turn, like runs him into the wall for, flattens our tire. We have to pit and it really hurts our, it hurts our championship stuff, gets out and like, oh, that's just, just short-tracking.

Okay. So I don't think, why just say it like he said it? I can't say like he said. It's just short track racing. So, look, man, this is, it's exciting. This is why Martin Zill is one of the best short tracks in the country. Guys are, you know, and you put him in a playoff scenario where guys get knocked out, and it makes it good.

But I don't like the comments because, you know, Alex is not the first one to bump a guy for a win or wreck a guy for a win. And it's not the first time. So I don't think, you know, these comments are fair to Alex that has four wins this year, which is, is that second at the Hendricks table this year? Yeah, tied for the second in the series. Okay. Truex.

So, yeah, and that's more than him this year as well. So then I just don't, I know he's mad. I like the emotion. I don't think these comments have fared Alex on spot off. I saw he tweeted after the race, don't poke the bear, see you in Phoenix. Now, realizing,

obviously, Denny is in contention for the championship and Alex is not. Yeah, but I think the poke the bear comment, Casey, is Denny Hamlin, for whatever reason, seems to do really well when he's under a lot of personal stress. And when I see him being personally stressed out,

he comes out and races his butt off and is hard to beat. So I don't think that was a comment of he's going to retaliate against Bowman at Phoenix. I think it's a comment of, all you guys booing me, watch this. Well, he had a bear tattoo on his hand from his Halloween costume. Yeah, from his Halloween costume. His post-malone outfit. Yes.

I don't think Denny cannot be worried about Alice going into Phoenix. He literally. And Alex won't do anything anyway. I just want to race. He's not mad at Danny. No. I mean, he might, this is probably something that if I'm Alex, I probably, you know, maybe have a sentiment message like, hey, man, you know.

He did say during one of his interviews, I guess, when Denny wrecked Alex at Texas last year, he said, yeah, Denny texted me saying, oh, yeah, if it makes you feel better, you can fly on my private jet. And Alex was like, well, I don't need that flight anymore, but hey, I guess we're even now. So, I mean, this is. If I was Alex, I'd ask for a ride to Phoenix. Yeah, can I get on that? 10 out of 10

Martinsville being a cutoff race Oh absolutely 10 out 10 brilliant It sucks when you're in it But like you said last week Here's the problem Now we go to Phoenix And I'm not as excited

As I was going into Martin'sville What I'm still excited I mean look at all the on track action It'll still be good But God the vibe there yesterday The atmosphere Like the place was electric Like Freddie said

At one point when it was like You know what Like whenever I started getting updates I was like oh okay because in the middle I'm guessing, I don't know, I'm guessing we were still probably 10 or 15 points out. And then when Truex started having problems and stuff, I was like, oh, okay.

And then I was getting messages like with 70, 50, 70, how to go, oh, hey, we're only one out. We've got to beat this guy. Now we have to win. Now we're in. It's like, oh, God. I wouldn't be surprised if Martinsville Falls race sells out today for next year. Because, and I'm talking, all three races were epic.

Give me a camper. They're great. Give me a camper. You know, rent you a camper. If you can't buy a camper Camber A camper Go to Marcus Limonis

He loves our show Get you a camper A cammer from that guy Camber now we got a camera Go park that freaking camper Down there on the grass And that's the best three days A race fan could ask for

We have the DBC camping trip weekend I mean I hate to say this I mean we've been going to races our whole lives But I'd almost take that weekend Over the Daytona 500 weekend I'll tell you Because it's real racing Not that Daytona's not real racing

But you can see these things playing out from the stands. You can see that guy bump. You can see the break check. You know there's going to be a retaliation when Bowman moves Denny for the lead. I don't know how racing can get any better than what this weekend was. Did you see them swerving down the front stretch like when Danny was going back after him? Like you, there's time for that buildup.

Like, oh, we hit him. Now we got to get in this hole straightaway and here it comes, here it comes. Like that's when Eric Jones got into you. Yeah. You've seen it coming off until. Oh, yeah. And I mean, to add to that weekend next year, you know, this weekend just passed. I heard rumors that the modified series is going to come there and end their season at Martinsville also.

So you guys right in a camber? Will you guys stay in the camera that weekend? I'm going to buy a camera at Camping World, put some camber in my new camper. We need camping world to sponsor the, you guys staying in a camper that weekend. Something tells me Mark is saying going to sponsor us. I don't know why. He offered to give me a camper. A camper?

Or a camera. He said he gets to pick what it looks like. Oh, that means he was going to put a two balls on or what. He's just parked it on the lake, park it on the lake and I'll drive my boat to. it. Oh yeah. Perfect. Jason, uh, Jason just had to write that one down. So I guess those words are off limits to If you fans have an extra camper out there and want me to camp in your compound next year, you and Freddie. You just rent me, I'll pay for the spot. You bring the camper and I'll stay

all weekend. Don't do it. If I were NASCAR, we talk about this all the time. Make it more fun. If I were NASCAR right now, I would say, all right, give me Luke Combs. I'm going to do a huge concert Saturday night after Xfinity race, and everybody that has any ticket to anything that weekend can come. We're going to clear the infield. We're going to do this thing upright. We talk about all the time. We don't make this fun enough right now. We can absolutely. We do. We get tweets all time. I mean, somebody tweeted me this week. I only like NASCAR because you guys, I got out of it. But anyway, make it fun. Like blow this thing up, Jeff. I said last week going on the show, this is the

most hyped I've ever been going into a race. And now everybody knows why. It played out that way. Man, it's just if you could bottle up what you had yesterday. And I, and, you know, part, people, excuse me, if I can speak right, maybe people say that's because of the playoffs and the elimination. But I really think it's because of Martinsville in general. Short tricks. Yeah, exactly. I mean, if you could get that and you could make that regular thing instead of only three. That is a regular thing across the country every Saturday night. Yeah. I'm just saying. Imagine hearing we want more short tracks and we give four more road courses. There's only, there's three, I was asking all the drivers about this yesterday for my column that I'm writing. There's three half-mile paved oval tracks now because you take Bristol dirt off and you take, the Richmond doesn't count. Richmond really doesn't race like a short track anymore.

I don't anymore. So I'm just calling them the half-mile ovals. But it might with a new car. Who knows? Yeah, right. Well, the good news is, I'll say, the good news is in 2037, we're going to, we're going to, we're going to, we're going to. I probably get some more short-tack. I think it was 2031, actually.

Oh, 231. Awesome. I'll be here in 2030. Spot on, spot off. Kyle Bush. Spot on. Spot on. On.

Kyle Bush. 100% spot on. I mean, this guy is one of the best racers ever, in my opinion. I mean, you're talking about what, Jason? 222 wins across the three national series? I actually think it's 400. 400? It seems like 400.

Put your visor down. You look good. I like your helmet. Kyle Bush is the biggest sweetheart on the radio. Kyle Bush says so many nice things about how lap cars always race him. He's always praising his team and how great his race cars are. He graded his season yesterday. Even after not making a championship race as an A-plus,

his interviews lately have been literally the sweetest. They unify people. I think this guy should run for president. I'll tell you what the smartest thing Kyle Bush did in his career was. He hired me to spot for his truck team in 2014, I think. Look at Brett's face in that helmet. I can't breathe right now. I was going to say, Brett can't breathe.

His face is red. And you get that off? Skinny your face than I do. Listen, man, the guy's great. I mean, the stat line proves it. You know, it is what it is. You can't argue with the fact that Kyle Bush is one of the best ever. Eminem's is one of the best sponsors ever.

We're just lucky to have Kyle. I've listened to this show for a long time. If there weren't cameras in here already, I would kind of think this was a hidden camera prank or something. something. I'm not sure what's happening here. On the show sheet where all the sponsors are, they give you a packet and M&Ms is not a sponsor. So that's not it. I don't know what's happening here. We're just... Hoping up, Jeff. We're just huge Kyle Bush fans, especially T.J. T.J.'s a big fan. But listen, I will never eat another Eminem my entire life. We love the guy. We can't get enough

Kyle Busch on here. You were complete opposite last week. What do you mean? Nothing. That's great. I love it. I will say from a media standpoint, I'm spot on for Kyle Bush because he gives us a lot of content. And that's what we're looking for. I mean, I'd rather have Kyle Bush than some boring drivers. I know people don't like him. Certainly, you know, he's going to get in trouble and probably already has for saying the R word. Can't do that.

But he also had some interesting comments about your guy. Wanted to beat the shit out of him. Sorry, Jason. Do you think that Kyle Bush could beat up Brad Kesowski? I don't think either one of them should fight. I'd be honest with you, and I know Brad well. Brad probably doesn't need to fight. And I've never seen Kyle fight,

but I don't think Kyle needs to fight either, honestly. I've seen Kyle, Kyle punched Joey Lagano. I was right there videoing it. My favorite part of, I don't know if we're going to cover this, we talk about it now, the best part, obviously, Kyle, the word he used was something he shouldn't have said, and he'll probably pay for that. but my favorite part of the Kyle Bush interview that I saw

there's a couple of them but my favorite part of the interview was Jeff saying hey if you're going to go down there and punch you let me know it's like a video I know think I'm to smile Or who was interviewing was it Jordan or We were all saying there yeah I don't know who was doing the interview but somebody said I heard somebody say

Kyle said I'm going to go down here and beat his ass and somebody said well why don't you Dustin Long said well Matt Crafton said you got you you know you guys should go beat each other's ass So, go ahead. Mr. Congeniality. Kyle Bush, ladies and gentlemen. Hey, love him. Love him.

Great guy. Glad to have him. He parked his car. There was so much traffic yesterday. He had to park his car like a mile from the track and like on the side of the road. And then he had to run. He said he ran on the railroad tracks like a mile run into the track to get there in time for his sponsor stuff. I mean.

Dedicated. That's dedicated. No, that's dedication. That's dedication. Smile Bush, folks. You guys, one of the nicest guys out there. spot on spot off neither Kyle Busch or Brad

Kislauski make dive bomb moves on race leader Bowman on the final restart despite needing a win to advance the championship four. T.J. I mean, it sounds to me like Kyle thinks Brad did make a dive bomb move off of four coming to the checker. Yeah, I mean

I really wanted to make a dive bomb move on Alex, but Alex just got a good restart and he got away. I really thought we were in a good spot because I thought Kyle would make some sort of contact with Bowman in one and two or three and four. I thought there would be some sort of contact and there could be a similar situation like what happened at 18 where Denny almost won that race in 18. Were you surprised that Kyle took the top? Not really because I don't think you give a guy the front row because if that guy does get a good restart and gets that guy pinned down

and he clears them, then you're kicking yourself. You know, if you're starting third, if Kyle takes third, he's absolutely, you know what his plan. And honestly, Bowman had to think that if Brad or Brad was close and whoever's behind him and a must win, it's probably going to go into one a little deep. You know, because, I mean, the guy's got to win. He's going to do what he got to do. Not seeing he's to wreck him, but he's probably going to shove you up the track a little bit, but, yeah, I don't.

Honestly, I'm, I'm spot on because it wasn't, they race a heart out at the end and there wasn't anybody destroying anybody and stuff like that. I would have loved to have got to him and, you know, car get in, but we'd, you know, we'd ran as hard as we could and that's where we ended up. So I feel like it's just, you know, it's the way it should go, you know, in my opinion. You know, you don't, your whole season should not be determined by who can go in the corner harder and knock the guy out of the way.

You know, that's, you know, it's one thing to win a race that way. It's another thing to, you know, decide a championship that or decide who's going to race for a championship that way. But, you know, it's not. Ryan Newman disagrees. I know that. I know it's not the most exciting form of, you know, for the fans. Do you agree with 2018?

What was 18? Was that you? Yeah, when we moved Martin with the race track. So moving, I'm good, like, you know, moving and wrecking, there's a big difference between, you know, laying a bumper on a guy, moving him to the top lane and going by him versus just outright cleaning the guy out. And that's why if I'm Kyle Bush, I think I'm taking the bottom. And I think that's my best opportunity to do what I need to do there, you know.

And like you said, you don't have to wipe the guy out. Just get on his bumper on entry a little bit, shove him up the head. hill where he moves that guy up a little bit. He moves the guy outside of him and a lot like we saw the 21 do. And he's good enough to do that. Yeah, but, you know, I don't know. But like I thought this is the way it should go. You know, this is how racing should be. You know, you guys could easily wipe Kyle out there. And, you know, if Truex was in a more desperate position, he might have been, you know, more aggressive there. But like, it's just, I think that's how it should be done. You really can't do this until the very last corner on the very last lap and otherwise you're going

to face retaliation. And at that point, I felt like Bowman was. out there far enough to where they couldn't catch him. I felt like Kyle tried to get in there a little hot, and he did, and he'd completely miss turn three, and Alex was already gone. So for me, this is a, this isn't even irrelevant conversation. Alex ran the last lap, perfectly. Alex Bowman was already gone. Well, Brett's correct, because I asked both these guys this exact thing. Brad, to T.J's point, said he didn't have enough motor under the hood to get to him to even try something, even if he wanted to, and said they've got a lot of work to do next year, and that just shows it because even if he was in position by turn one, Alex was already farther out. He couldn't

get him. Alex did a great job. Kyle said, uh, he decided, you know what? After preaching about respect and all the stuff that, you know, there's not lack of respect. He said, you know what? Everybody else does it. So I'm just going to go ahead and do it too. So he wanted to get to Bowman and he wanted to pun him. And he couldn't. And he couldn't get to him. So Bowman, you know, ran perfectly. Uh, he would have made contact if he got there, but he couldn't. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. I can't take it from Alex there. He nailed. I honestly thought Alice was in a lot of trouble. Did you? I did. I thought you were going to move him. I figured it was either going to be us or Kyle. One of us was going to move him. I thought, to Jeff's point, you had to move him. I was like,

they have to move this guy. We weren't going to get around him straight up. But again, you can't move too early because he's going to move you back or wrecking. And at that point, when they, when they needed to make the move, it wasn't a move to be made. It was over. He did it. When he cleared Kyle, see you. Yeah. So great. You know, good job on Alex. This Door Bumper Clear podcast is brought to you by our friends at RacingUSA.com Google's top-rated source for NASCAR merchandise. Fans, RacingUSA.com currently has more than 500 different collectible diecast cars available for 40 different drivers, including Sunday's Alex Bowman, Martinsville Race winner,

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butts kicked on horsepower and they made the move to form an alliance with RCR and holy cow is it paying dividends. Do I think these are the best two organizations in the sport right now? Absolutely. But I do think as a person in the industry, when you don't see diversity at this championship race, it hurts. Ford's not present. Penske's not present.

Stuart Haas is not present. There's four or five super teams in the garage and only two of them raise their hands and said, hey, we want to win this championship. Yeah, I mean, they've been the best cars. all year long. You know, I feel like the, the HMS and the JGR cars. I felt like you guys were off a little bit yesterday. Not so much you guys, but Penske as a whole, like they've been really.

Yeah, Blaney normally drives the lead at some point. Really, really good at Martinsville in the past and just all seemed a little bit off. I noticed Joey was backing up kind of early. Honestly, all three cars normally lead at some point in Marlowe. Yeah, 100%. You know, Blaney had damage pretty early from that deal. But he still, even, you know, before that, I didn't think he was very good. Joey, I saw him backing up a couple times.

We went, we passed him for like. struggled a little bit. 12th or 13th. Just not typical of what you see from the Penske cars at Martinsville, I feel like. We got stronger at the very end there when Brad, I don't know, we made a couple adjustments in it. It really worked well, and that's when Brad was able to drive up to a third or something like that.

And honestly, that's when I was like, okay, I mean, we're going to, a cost comes out. We're going to have a shot at this thing. You know, we're contenders now. So, which I think the intensity was picking up as Brad was moving up, too, I feel like, because a must-win car here. They're coming, you know, and I don't know. I definitely feel like the cars are in the chase right now. I've been the fastest cars, and, you know, they've earned it.

So, I mean, you can't take anything from them, guys. There's no surprises there to me. Yeah, I mean, you could maybe make an argument for Blaney, the strong season he's had. But when you look at the final four, it's reflective of how the season's gone. I mean, those are the four best cars. So we don't have to like it that there's not enough diversity. But that's the season as a whole. I mean, that's the cars that have dominated the year.

Yeah. That's who it is. And so I'm actually relieved in a way because I've been big on wanting this championship format, even if it's going to be elimination stuff, like at least you've got to have some credibility to it. And I was a little bit worried to see, you know, like last year when Harvick wasn't in the final four, everybody knew he was the car of the year, you know, nine wins and to not be in it. So when you have the four best cars, even if it's a champion that you're like, oh, that's interesting. I didn't think that guy was necessarily as good as Larson this year.

But at least they all made the final four. So at least they all had a shot. And that makes me sort of feel better as somebody who documents everything that goes on in NASCAR. I mean, for historical purposes, you sort of want that at least. I think it's the integrity thing of the championship. I agree. Let me ask you this, though. Martinsville, you cannot make it a championship race because of everything that you just said.

Absolutely, because the championship is then going to come down to third place punts, the leader on a green-white checkered, and that's the champion. and that's all it comes. Like, come on. That can't be it. Same reason you can't have Daytona as a championship or something. I mean, you've got to have, even though we just talked about earlier, so we're talking about both sides of our mouth, oh, Phoenix is not going to be as exciting or something. Just like, and Homestead is a great check, but it wouldn't have been sort of quote as exciting as Martinsville, because Martinsville is sort of like the pinnacle of that. But you have to have a race in that sense where you can let those guys truly race it out for the title if you're going to have a one race playoff. Otherwise, it's just a joke. I agree with you wholeheartedly. But I know that. It's got to be a track, though, to me it's got to be a track that a racy. A racy track. Not like in Homestead was a racy track, multiple lanes. You're going to think, I'm crazy. Give me Fontana. Oh, Fontana was fine. Give me Fontana for the championship next year. I would be in heaven.

And I know that the track's getting reconfiguring all those things. And I hope it ends up awesome. But give me a Fontana, give me an Atlanta. Give me a homestead. Give me a racy race track. And look, it's not going to be a nail biter like Martinsville was. But to Jeff's point, I don't think it can be because you completely take the integrity of the championship and throw it in the trash.

I mean, I still, a racing race track. We can't go to Bristol for the championship. No, somebody will just get wrecked. Yeah. Speaking of integrity of the championship, anybody want to take a bet on who the top four are going to be this week? Yeah. Yeah.

In every series or just one? I know one for sure. You know, that seems... I could see this year being a year that is different, because I honestly think, I honestly think like a Hendrick car could get in the middle, whether it's Byron. I mean, Byron's been running really well. Very well.

Bowman, too. For sure, the hundred cards. But, you know, I just go, the one, you mentioned it earlier, the one that I always circle on this deal is that year Newman was like a non-factory, booted, I think it was a Larson at Phoenix. Yeah, Phoenix. He put him up out of four, yeah. And then he goes to Homest and all of a sudden he's hauling ass leading laps.

I'm like, oh, this is interesting where this comes from. You know, I don't know how it works out, but it's always just seems to be them four guys are hauling ass at the last race. contact between Noah Gregson and Ty Gibbs while battling for the lead sends Gibbs around and Gibbs says I hope the nine gets just drilled anybody got Matt's Kansas number spot on spot off Freddy

didn't he say some other things too yeah probably he said something about Sam Mayer that he probably shouldn't have said I didn't see this because I was gone at this point thanks to Spencer Boyd but I saw a replay and it looked to me like the, it looked to me like the nine was trying to wedge himself down in front of the 22 and behind the 54. He got hit. He got hit behind. He got hit. He got in between them. He got, you know,

the 22 got into a little bit on entry. He, you know, kind of accordion into the 54. Same thing. I don't, I think it was a, I think it was a racing deal. You know, I don't, I don't think he intentionally got in there trying to wipe the 54 out. But of course, I'm going to go back to this all the time. Just stop talking. Stop saying dumb shit on the radio. Somebody I heard the other day, believe it or not, was going to knock Krause's teeth out. Oh, you were in some stuff in the truck race? Believe it or not. Luckily, I saw Derek after the race.

He still had all of his teeth. What about today? I don't know. I didn't talk to him today. But, you know, just listen, shut up. Just go wreck him. If you want to do a Kansas,

just go up there and do it. Don't talk about you. I'm going to do it, or anybody got Matt Kenseth's number, whatever. Is this from last week? Are you still mad? I feel like this is ridiculous. It's never ending.

But, yeah, I mean, I had an eventful race. I told you guys last week on here that that Gibbs-Mayer battle is going to be... I had no idea that I was foreshadowing the fact that they were going to be trying to kill each other this week. But they really, really do not like each other. They hate each other, like, with a passion. That's awesome. It's awesome.

It's going to be great. Dude, I love, like, the Truxie, all of our series right now has got good rivalries and stuff going on. I mean, the truck series has been great because there's one to 15 in trucks is, like, competitive this year. Like that middle group there is like pretty tough man. And the Xfinney series is great every week, man. It's fun to watch. And obviously the Cupsuff had its own drama stuff. But I'm, uh, I'm spot on for the rivalry. But I'm, I want to be spot off because they say a lot of dumb things on the radio, but it gives us something to talk about. So I got a spot on it. Good content. Good content for Jason. Jeff, what you think?

No, I mean, from a media standpoint, I want all the content. I want the spiciness. So I mean, Ty Gibbs clearly says stuff that he shouldn't say at times, but I'm not in favor of him stopping that. He says stuff. I mean, it would be in his best interest to probably stop that. Yes. But as a media person who- Doesn't it surprise you when the stuff he says, though? Like, I'm like, I mean, Ty Gibbs is a great kid, man, and they say, like. I want to say.

He's still a kid. I mean, he's 10 years from now. He'll look back on that and go. That was my kid. I'm grounding them. This goes back for me, though, to the Gillland thing that happened last year when he won the race and the first thing he did after he won the race was MFed Kyle Busch's owner over the radio. That's a lack of maturity, right? When I look at Ty Gibbs, I truly think this guy is a wheelman.

I think he's as good as I think he is, right? I mean, because it's easy to say, well, he's won four races in the best car in a field or five races or whatever it is. He can drive a race car. He is a really, really good race car driver. But these types of things at some point are going to become a distraction because he's immature. And so he's got to figure out, he's got to do a little soul searching over the winter, in my opinion, and gain some maturity. Because next year, when he's got to race,

an A.J. Amadinger, weekend and week out, for a championship, for a playoff spot for all the things, he's going to be at a deficit because he doesn't have the maturity level to be able to do that, even though he's in the fastest car in the field. So I'm going to say, are you going to get into a situation with Sam Mary every week?

because if you do, if you do, you're going to come out the loser on that. We see this, two things. We see this on Saturday when he takes the fastest car on the racetrack and break checks a guy. I mean, it was early. It was in the first stage, I think. You know, now you're putting probably the best car in the field. You're, you know, at risk for what? Because maybe he bumped him in the middle of one.

I didn't even see what led up to it. I still didn't see the break check. But, I mean, obviously it happened. Everybody talked about it, and the front end of the eight was killed. Yeah. But talking about maturity and in the Archer series, which I don't know how much. much you guys follow the Arcus series. He's been at war with Corey Heim all season long.

And they've cost each other multiple races because of it. You know, and like you said, going forward, that can't happen. You know, next year, you can't be so focused. Like the other night of Kansas, they're so focused on each other. Nick Sanchez just drives by both of them on a restart because they're up there fucking side draft with each other. Suspect restart, but I mean, still, you're right. You know, but, you know, so like you said, you've got to get over that.

You got to, you got to focus. You take just take the best car win. we've seen to Jeff's point, you know, he gets out when things don't go right for him, he gets out and, you know, just bad, you know, has comments that we talked about it when he was here with us, you know, like, hey man, you know, we're all about the emotion, the emotion's great, but think before he speaks sometimes. And, you know, like he said, he's a kid. How can you expect that, though, out of, yeah, he's a kid.

And look, Jeff, I love that he's spicy. Like, I love the fire. I truly think that he thinks I'm going to kick ass next year in the Xfinity series, and the year after that, I'm either going to. going to get Kyle Busch is right or I'm going to get Martin Truex's right. I truly think he thinks that and I love that but you can't be immature because you're getting ready to go race grown-ass men and they will hammer you mentally if you're not ready for that. They'll destroy you. The Harvicks of the world will destroy a guy like that because he's not mentally. We talk about it all

a time me and my sponsor mental fortitude. Some drivers have it, some drivers don't. And the guys that don't have it, they don't become superstars. I mean, it's a good point because at the cup level, I mean, those games happen all the time. And if you're vulnerable to it, you're dead in the water. It can throw you off. You don't want it to be able to throw you off at all. And there are more guys that get

thrown off than you and I realize. I bet. I bet. I'm enjoying the show. Austin Wien's self was not parked for his contact that wrecked John Hunter Nemechek and took him out of the race. Brett, spot on, spot off.

I'm spot off for this. You know, I look at this as, and I also speak to this from what the 52 car did. Who was driving that, Spencer Boyd, on Saturday. Name me another major league organization in sports that would allow someone that is this insignificant from a competitiveness standpoint to go out and affect a playoff race. I mean, I look at these guys, and they make stupid calls. calls, they do stupid things behind the wheel, they never run for top tens, they never qualify in the top 10, they never finish in the top 10 unless we're at a high attrition race.

So at the end of the day, these guys are always in the fucking back. And if you're always going to be in the back, then go play that game in the back. To come to the front and change the way that fully sponsored teams are operating and drivers who have given up their lives to be in this position to do stupid stuff, this drives me absolute bonkers. Both of those guys. I'm telling you, I'd love to put shocking collars on the Austin Way self guy

and the guy who drove the 52 Spencer Boyd guy and just shock them every time they want to do something stupid the rest of their life. This drove me nuts. So I don't know. I mean, I've seen them had some contact early in the race where the four ended up the hill, so I would assume that that was the 22 moving the four again. I don't know. Did something happen

that I don't know about between the four and 22 that caused this? Well, Austin Wayne's self when we talk to him afterwards. First of all, we go up to talk to him, right? And he starts kind of walking away from us. And it was me, Bob, and Zach Albert from NASCAR.com. Whoa, whoa, whoa, son. Get back here. And he goes, no comment, guys, I don't anything I'm going to say.

Bob goes, are you sure? Like, Bob. Do you think that's in your best interest right now? Yeah. So he stops, and he's like, okay, okay. So he basically gives like one comment. He's like, yeah, I didn't know who was inside me. you know, I just, you know, basically his argument was I had total lack of self-awareness.

It had nothing to do with me getting bumped by that guy in the previous corner. And then that guy trying to pass me, it was like, his defense was, I don't know who it was. I just hooked him kind of thing. So I was just almost like disbelief. Like, I mean, I don't know. To me, I don't know if you penalize that, but if you're going to penalize Quinn Howe five laps for spending somebody. in front of a safety truck and you don't penalize somebody for taking out a

playoff contender and almost costing him a spot. Like NASCAR's got to protect the playoff guys a little bit more. Intentional or not. And you'll have people screaming, oh, that's not fair. You know, everybody's equal to the track. It should be the same. But if you're going to emphasize playoffs all year long, you're going to create this system where it's easy for guys to fall out, NASCAR's got to put some sort of safeguards around these guys where it's like, you cannot do that. Sorry, that's just, no.

And you don't have to park them for even the race. But send a message, penalize him do something. He had no penalty at all. It certainly looked intentional. It certainly should have been some kind of penalty to Jeff's point. But here's where I'm at on this. You got your John Hunter glasses on, don't you? Yeah, I love John Hunter, too. I do love John Hunter, be honest of you. We had one running, but I really like John Hunter. But he might not like me after this comment. We talked about this on here last week with the 9 and the 11. John Hunter came into the race as the point leader with a 31 point cushion. Do you need to be racing this aggressively to where you're moving Austin Wayne's self out of the way and risking yourself getting wrecked back by him?

Austin knows him. Is that a lie? Of course it's a fucking lie. Thank you. Are you sure? Are you sure? I'm spot off for Bob Pockris becoming a PR guy in that moment. I was just about to say there probably should have been some prep before any sort of interaction.

Bob doesn't like you guys right now because he doesn't like to mess the celebration. When this happened and when the incident with the 52 happened, I'm literally sitting in my house and I'm watching this and I'm going, as much as I love our playoff system, this makes me hate it. Because these guys are always in the back. So go right around in the back. Get out of the way. Don't be a part of this. You're screwing up a heck of a lot more than you deserve to be screwing up right now. That was driving me nuts.

It made my blood pressure go up. Well, the Spencer Boyd thing was, I mean, that was a whole other issue. and I didn't see what happened. Let's get into it. Let's just fucking wear a right now. I don't even know who to wear out. I don't even see it.

I mean, this was going to come up eventually. He'll be my idiot for you today, okay? I don't even see what happened, but he's my idiot. Spencer Boyd? Oh, are you not there? I mean, oh yeah, you know where it's spotting. No, we weren't. They stayed out with the lead.

They stayed out and took the lead on old tires. Oh, that was, I saw, I looked at the screen and I was like, no, no, okay. I'm starting to count like, you know how you count like to see where you're running before we choose. I'm like, I'm counting.

And all of a sudden, I see the scoreboard flip up, and I'm like, the fucking 52's leading? I'm like, I'm trying to find. I thought he's a wave around car. I'm like, oh, all right. Well, then, so now we have a restart, and he fucking ruins Harrison Burton's night, essentially. You know, whoever, you know.

Once again, the integrity of playoffs. He never got back up there after that. No, he ruined his night. Then we all wrecked because. And then he stayed out. Yeah, he stays out again. Another restart. He's P7 on the next one.

He causes one caution. So then he stays out again. Chooses a top. So he chooses the top, and we were running, I think 13th or so. And so you're coming to the shoes like, hey, we can't pick behind the 52 because he's going to be terrible. Well, then fucking everybody lines up on the bottom, so we're going to gain four rows by going to the top. I'm like, I take the top. You got to take it.

I'm like, I said, we're going to take the top here, and you're going to have to move him. We get to turn one. Like, that's your only option. And we didn't get a very good restart, so our attempt to move him wasn't executed perfectly. Totally botched. So funny in there. Nothing. Keep going.

Just me probably dropping F bombs one after another. It's, you know, so then that causes another wreck, and just out of sheer luck doesn't wipe out a playoff guy because there's guys behind us that were competing for the playoffs. And it's just, I don't, like my question to this, I don't know if it's the crew chief, if it's, listen, Jimmy Means is a pioneer in our sport, one of the greatest guys in the garage.

And I'm sure it's not his call. It's got to be the crew chief, the driver, whoever. what's your best case scenario here? I know they tweeted somebody, whoever runs that account tweeted that they're looking for the best possible finish. Where were you going to finish? You're not going to get it doing stupid stuff like that. How many spots were you going to gain by restarting in front of the whole

faking field when they're a half a second faster than you are? I don't understand it. I really like these. It ruined Harrison Burton's Day. And then it ruined Jeff Burton. They ruined the 98. It ruined the one. I mean, it just created catastrophe.

And again, as much as I love the playoffs, Jeff, I'm sitting there watching this, and I'm like, I hate the playoffs right now because of stupid people. Because in no other sport is the worst team in the league going to show up at the Super Bowl and screw up the two teams. Well, let me provide you some counter arguments to this because I got plenty after I tweeted criticism of them. Here we fucking go. The Jimmy means Twitter account, whoever runs that went off on me and retweeted all the fans who were upset with me. So, of course, I do understand that it's everybody's track. Okay?

They have the right to that track. But when you do that, there is no scenario, like 100% chance that you're going to mess up somebody else's day. So you're, okay, you're going to stay out, you're going to try to get the best finish you can. But you're doing that knowing that you are absolutely going to affect other people. You can get out of the way at a mile and a half or something like that if you try something. But at Martinsville, there's nowhere to go. No, no, no. Remember Colwood at Homestead?

That's true. That messed up a lot of things. This is the exact same scenario. Exact same thing. And then other people were saying, well, you know, I got probably a dozen people say he's trying to get into the top 36 of Xfinity or whatever. Like he's trying to get there. So I looked it up. He's 117 points out of 36 with two races to go.

That is not going to happen. So I don't know what the, like I get, okay, I get you can't afford the tires or whatever, right? But that's not the lead people's fault. I mean, that's not an excuse to go up and screw other people's day up. You're getting wrecked at that point. He's 117 points. out of 36 and they have 200 points on the season. That's like a six point average a week.

I don't think you're making up 117 point gaps. And in a track like that, you got to know that you're going to get moved from that spot. Like they're, or you're going to call people, somebody's not going to get the message and lift. Like, I just don't do it, man. I've worked with Spencer Boyd, I won our truck race with a Metallega. I worked with him for two years.

He's not the most aggressive driver. So now on top of. being a car on old tires, a car that runs 30th every week. You've got a guy in there that's, I don't know that timid's the right word, but he's just not super aggressive. So now you're, you know. He shouldn't be in that position. I don't know. And we've heard it on here before.

I think it was Kyle Weatherman. I talked to him. And he had stayed out earlier in the year on the 47 car and kind of jacked the race up. And he's like, well, you know, they told me to stay out. Listen, you got the steering wheel. Turn the motherfuck down pit road and get tires. Or I'm not leaving until, or at least. go to the back. Like, don't, I don't understand these guys. All these low budget teams cry about,

you know, oh, you know, we're just struggling to get through. You know, we just try to get our best position to get money. You're going to wreck your race car. Like, your car is going to get destroyed at some point here. Like, I don't, I don't understand. I go back to what I said. You start in the back. You run in the back. You finish in the back. So stay in the back. Don't come to the front. You don't belong there. It's a professional sport. And a lot of people put millions of dollars in their livelihoods into it. And whether a playoff car got wrecked or not, these people, I mean, this is their life. This is, I mean, people to go up there and just be like, oh, well, okay, sorry, everybody.

I mean, I couldn't afford the tires this week or I needed this for, to try to get a top 20 for, I don't, again, I don't, I can't explain it, but. How do you get a top 20 when you're not even close to running top 20? I mean, they were on the lead lap, obviously when they did it, but. But if you're running 30th and you're the last car on lead lap, are you a top 20 car at that? point? What makes you think you're going to be a top five car? You're a leader, dog? I mean, you're leader. What makes you think you're going to be a top five car at that point? I love Jimmy Means. I love everything. Yeah. Jimmy Means Racing stands for. Again, this is not, to me, a reflection of Jimmy Means Racing. This is a reflection of

a stupid crew chief and a stupid driver making a stupid decision and screwing up a race. Congratulations. Well, on to the next topic. Your tires are getting slashed. Zane Smith wins and advances to the Truck Series Championship 4 after Todd Gil Villalind and Stuart Freezing wreck while battling three wide for the lead. Spot on, spot off. Jeff. No, no, no, no, no. No, spot off.

Like, every, like the truck race, I need to take a deep breath. The truck race, I did not enjoy the truck race. I saw a lot of people that did enjoy it. I did not enjoy it because the truck race, I mean, Martin Trucks Jr. called it pathetic. Like the kind of racing we're seeing there, thank God that Noah Gregson and Daniel Hemrick redeemed like the. Ascar.

They retained the whole sanctioning body the next day. Noah Gregson himself, like, starting on the outside in the Xfinity race and winning that with a heroic move, racer points for him. That was like, oh, okay, this is how it's supposed to be done. Running over each other. And see, the problem is, I guess it's tempting to go, well, it's that younger generation that doesn't respect. The veterans in the truck series do it too.

Everybody in the truck series does it. I mean, Stuart Freezing hooks them, like, right on the front stretch like that. And, you know, you say he should know better. I asked Kyle Bush about it yesterday because he had been, you know, outspoken about their respect thing, right? And he said, well, the veterans in that series have had to reduce themselves to that because they can talk about it in the media all they want and say, okay, these young guys shouldn't be doing this, but they have to answer back. So they've had to bring themselves down on that level. I guess you could look at it that way. But the racing in the truck series so often this year is just like, no, like, this is, man, this is not good, guys.

It's like, this is not how we should be doing things. Yeah, I thought, you saw the yin and the yang right there. Remember Knoxville? Oh, yeah, yeah. Tell me about it. Darlington? Um, I thought you saw a perfectly executed bump and run there. The 21 chose the, he was running second, I believe, chose the bottom behind the 38.

The 52 chose the top. And the 38 at that point probably knew, I'm screwed right here. You know, I'm in bad shape right here, no matter what. but the 21, I thought Zane did a great job. He got in the corner a little hot, you know, gave him a little bump, moved him up a lane, and got, opened his lane up and race, you know, was going to race.

Now, I don't know what was going to happen on that last lap. Zane might have got a little more aggressive. We never got to see that because I don't know what the hell Stewart Frieson was doing. He just come off a four. And I don't know if he maybe didn't know that they were three wide because Zane kind of forced the, sorry, Gilden was in the middle and kind of ran Stewartie out of room.

but he might not have known that Zane was down there kind of forcing Gilden's hand and when they come by the start finish line he just hangs the left and wrecks him my question is going to be like obviously this is wrong on Stewie's part right and if you're going to wreck somebody first of all let's be better at it like don't wreck yourself

after you wreck the guy but I think he was trying to do the same thing he did the Gilden to the 21 and at some point does NASCAR step in like is this guy if this guy right hooks the 38 in a fence and then right hooks to 21 in the middle of one and two and goes on to win the race. Is NASCAR going to let that stand?

I mean, I know it's great for the fans, but there's no precedent. I don't remember them ever disqualifying somebody or setting him down for rough riding. So, I mean, where do you draw the line? Because that would have been a little over the top for me if he just right turned two guys to win a race to advance of the championship for.

Yeah. I'm spot on for the win in advance. I truly am. Like for Zane Smith to win the race and be locked in the championship. I'm spot on for that. I'm spot off for every other lap that led up to that of that particular track. I think it's a lot.

We talk about mental fortitude just a minute ago. This is a lack of mental fortitude on veterans aspects and young people's aspects. You've got to be better than this. Are you going to screw up the truck series brand? 89 caution laps out of 200. We made up three laps. And we were actually like the fifth truck to get. We were two laps down.

We were three laps down. Got one back from a wave round. Then we were two down. There were like five trucks in front of us one lap down. All them got Lucky Dogs, and then we got two Lucky Dogs in a row from being two laps down and got back on a lead lap at the end. If I'm the series director, I'm calling a meeting. It's going to be in person, and it's going to be just me and just those drivers, and I'm going to rip their butts because every major late model race across this country will put on a show with more integrity than what that race was on Saturday. That's a joke.

We cannot have that. Oh, I will say this, working, like, Haley's never been to Martinsville, so I went into that race. Like, Martin'sville's a tough place to go. Oh, so hard to go first time. And she's actually a good short track. You know, that's her background. So, and I knew it was going to be there, but she did really good.

We didn't, we got a, we had a flat tire, got put three wide, and somebody cut her left front. Other than that, pretty uneventful race for us, but leading up to it, I said, look, going in here, you're going to see a lot of bad habits, a lot of bad driving habits. It's going to be really hard for me to keep you from doing what, people are doing this wrong. You're not going to learn a lot of this race how to race this racetrack. It's going to be, you're actually going to learn what not to do more than anything because of how people drive that racetrack.

It just turns into a, like, you want to, like, I know they talk about a respect thing, but it's way gone on that series. I'm telling you, it rubs off on people because I have spotted for Derek Krauss since he's 12 years old running late models. You're the reason. And I'm telling you, until this year, I've never seen him drive the way he. he's driven this year. Yeah, I've talked to him about it.

You know, and late model racing, whatever, K&N, whatever, you know, he, like, I've never seen him drive the way he's driven this year. And it's just, and we got into it a little bit during the race the other day because he's, you know, first stage, you know, guys got a run on us. And he's throwing a big block down the front, you know, just doing it himself. I'm like, yo, stop. Like, what are you doing? Like, first of all, you're jacking your entry up to the corner.

And it's unnecessary. We're lap 15 of a 200 lap race. Like, what are you doing? But it's, it's the mindset they all get in. there's just no respect in that series across the board. This is the same track where Kevin Harvick threw a temper tantrum and parked at the back of the NASCAR hauler and they said, oh, guess who's not racing tomorrow? You.

They're going to have to get back to that mindset to get these guys' attention to make them stop driving like a bunch of idiots. What do you think junior joiners' blood pressure was towards the end of that race? I mean, my God, he was fired up. Rightfully so. Yeah. Yeah. What do you do, Jeff?

What do you do? well i mean the whole thing is nascar doesn't want to be put in this position right right and and they've clearly tried to keep their hands off it and said you know drivers have to police themselves i think that could work i think that approach might work at cup the cup level you know like let harvick and elliott type situation sort itself out and if it keeps going i mean i know they end up sitting them down after a while but yeah i i didn't agree with that right i know you didn't either. Like let that,

you know, let those, those guys are grown men, but in the lower levels, perhaps to set a tone and to say, look, we want, we want to get this going on

the right path for your future success. And as you move up the ladder, this is how we want you to race. I mean, Kyle Larson got that message loud and clear at the battle the beach or whatever years back when he did an intentional wreck. And he thought,

you know, he said at the time, well, I watched YouTube videos and ask her. I thought that's what people do. And he got the message then like, oh, that's,

no, that's not how we do things here. And since then, he's raced differently, right? And I think you've got to teach that in some way. Now, again, I get why NASCAR doesn't want to penalize or step in, but I think you're really leaving them in no choice now because the Truck Series brand, like you said, is you don't want it to become just a clown show. You don't, you don't.

You want it to be hard-nosed racing. And look, the Truck Series culture changed anyway, because it used to be all short tracks all across the country, and now they pretty much run our schedule, right? I miss them short tracks, which I'm not a fan of. but when they get to short tracks, they act like complete idiots. Yeah, I want to see more short tracks than the trucks

because I want to see the late mile. I want to see Peyton Sellers, Josh Barry type guys, get trucks and run South Boston against them guys, you know, and with the way they're doing some of the truck races now with the not live pit stops, I think there's an opportunity, and I think those races went pretty well. I mean, I don't know if you spotted any of them,

but I didn't. I think that would work. to South Boston and stuff like that. But yeah, I don't... 2042, we'll get to that schedule. I don't want to... Like, if I'm trying to run a race, the truck series should be intriguing to me

to get a truck and go run a short track, but going to Martinsville, I don't want to run it right now because you're just going to go and get destroyed. It's a demolition derby. Yeah, and I don't... You know, I want to race with somebody, and I'm fine with somebody moving somebody out of the way,

but right now it's like, oh, you hit me, I'm right-hooking you. You know, or, like, that's just... And that's ridiculous. Yeah. All right, before we get to Reaction Theater, we have a treat today. A new podcast is coming to Dirty Mo Media very soon, and here's a preview. The following contains strong language and is intended for mature audiences.

Listener discretion is advised. There's been some times I want to say fuck it. I think I am done with this stupid ass shit. It was one of worst nightmares I've been through in my life. I wanted to be the phenom. I wanted to come in and win everything. You take your parents and your family and your loved ones on the journey with you, but it's about you. If I'm competing with somebody, I don't really want to be your buddy.

I was living my shit through him. Didn't bring us any closer together. I was never handed anything, but I always felt secure in my job. The Burton family has always loved each other. Jeb, when I'm 21, and we can go and share a beer, I think that's going to be a big deal. I wouldn't fight Ward for nothing. Don't tell him I said that. But they haven't always liked each other.

You're going to have some kind of conflict with everybody you race with if you race long enough. It felt like I'm the oldest time for me to reach out to Jeff to see how in the future maybe some of this family tension can be worked out. Jeb and Harrison Burton are assigned with an impossible task. Race against family for survival? If it doesn't work for me and Harrison, I don't know who's it going to work for. If we fail, I think it's over. There is a time when everyone was quick to wanting me out of the sport. And race to continue the legacy, started by their dads.

Check the flag is up, and Ward Burton is going to win the 44th Daytona 500. Jeff Burton, the first repeat winner in Texas Motor Speedway. There'll be a moment that they have an issue, and they're going to have to figure out how to work that out. Harrison Burton turns out of Paris and Burton's going to win in Texas. A Burton's going back to victory lane in NASCAR. Jeff Burton, first career win. The roads those two young men are taking are just completely different. The way I raced, and I'm not always proud of this, but everything came second.

Life is not going to end over these down race cars. I'm trying not to cry. The Burton Continuum, a 10-part episodic podcast series. Coming soon to Dirty Mo Media. Mike Davis came to me, man, it seems like a year ago with this idea that he wanted to do something on the Burtons. And he and I sat down and talked about it. And I said, listen, there's some bad blood there between Jeff and Ward. When I came into the sport, I worked with Jeff in 2000.

And obviously I've been working very closely to the Ward. and I was like, I think this is awesome. Let them tell all their stories and let their kids tell their stories because Ward refers to where we live in Mooresville is a concrete jungle. He lives in the absolute boondocks. I mean, I'm surprised they even have power out there where he lives. I'm not even kidding. And Jeff, you know, came into the sport, had a lot of success,

was one of the first guys to jump on the private plane and the yacht and all those things. Like these guys couldn't be any more different in their personal lives, which means their kids grew up completely different. So for us to be able to hear the stories of those older guys, the legacy guys, and now their kids' story, like, I think it's awesome. And Mike has been kind enough to share a lot of this with me. Alex, who works on our show, has been heavily involved in this podcast. And once again, Dirty Mo Media is putting out content that nobody in the sport is putting out in a podcast platform, podcast perspective.

So I am a thousand percent, 10 out of 10 on I can't wait to listen to this thing. yeah 100% like you said dirty mo's just absolutely killing it right now i mean the the i can't i have no idea what the title of that podcast glorious white knuckle god fearing spun out and half turned over racing stories that one it's a great podcast there's some incredible stories there this is going to be another incredible deal uh i can't wait to listen to it i mean look the whole the whole thing that we're all talking about recently right is all about content and uh it takes time resources money and and lot of effort to create that stuff, right? And I feel like you can never really get enough of it. If you're a hardcore fan of the sport, you just want to eat all that stuff up, especially

if it's like really solid stuff. And this sounds like it's going to be, I mean, I'm for sure listen to all 10 episodes. This is what the fans don't see that dirty moment is provided. These guys have peeled their layers off and they're going to let you see who they really are. And we don't always get that, right? You guys don't really know Carl Edwards. You think you do from the interviews. You don't know Carl Edwards. this is going to give you a chance to know these four NASCAR personalities who they are, what they think about pretty much everything.

Whoa, boy. No, that sounds really good. I didn't want to quit listening right then. I wanted to keep going. I told Mike, I said, I'm kind of pissed off because you've developed this two-minute trailer. And their first freaking show is going to get more listeners than our show gets because you got this really good trailer to market this podcast.

And I don't, like I know them guys, but not to that extent. and to be able to get in the background of these and see where they came from and what kind of path that Harrison and Jebron as well, you know, and Jeff's right. And then, like, you race somebody long enough. There's going to be some sort of confrontation at some point. Something's going to happen. And who knows how people handle that?

I mean, there's a lot of stuff behind the scenes that people don't know. So. Elliot and Hermie, Sadler, obviously, I work closely with those guys. guys there were months where they didn't speak to one another yeah because they got mad over a racetrack incident and i mean they didn't speak for months and their brothers grew up together best friends mad i mean so you this sport as much as it brings people together a lot of times it tears people apart yeah this is a great family to have that story from too i can't wait to hear all stories i mean i really can i mean jeb right there was as exposed as i've ever heard him and i've been

working very closely with them for over a year and fans win when drivers peel off the layers and go here's really what my life has been about. No other way to tell. I mean, it's a great story to tell, and I can't wait. Burton Continuum coming soon to Dirtymo Media. Let's head into Reaction Theater. My apologies, Mr. Bush. Our McFlurry machine is not working tonight. Cowbush is great. Cowbush is great. In all my years of partying, I ain't ever seen anybody open a beer with their teeth.

Bam, Gregson, we need to go party. He's not short on the partying. Even Quinn Helf has had enough. of Rick Ware racing. That's awesome. Did you, I'm assuming this wasn't on television. I did not see anything.

I don't know what's going to talk about. They had a demolition derby under yellow. The 52, is it 52? 52 in double zero? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I don't,

I don't see what caught. The one of them, 52 stuffed the double zero in the fence off in the three and four. Just literally, they went straight, like never turned in three and four. He stuffed them in the fence. And then they came around the backstretch and a double zero just turned the 52,

like under caution in front of a, I guess it was in front of a safety truck. There was a clean. I didn't know the chase truck was out there, but I mean, I guess it was a heated battle for 50th. Well, no, Billickey, Josh Baliky, who really doesn't wreck a lot at all, honestly.

He had gotten involved in a wreck earlier with LaJoy. It wasn't his fault. He was on the outside of something that happened to LaJoy, right? So his car was damaged, and I think he was just trying to drive it normally still, and he accidentally took out Houth and Hout didn't realize that it was accidental. And so

Quinn was just like not having it. But I don't think Balikie did that on purpose. I think Beliki just... It looked intentional, but I mean, something might have broke. Ha! You think Chase Elliott's a new intimidator? I don't think so. It's Quinn Half, baby!

That's awesome. A long time list of first time caller here. Just had to call it and say, somebody better called Denny L.W. Ambulance. And it's a pretty bad look when you call a guy who has double your win total this year, a hack. So what does that make you, Dennis? His name's James.

Well, I'm sure us DBC fans are going to be the only ones talking crap about Hamlin today, because we sure as hell no Freddy isn't going to do it. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Hamlin calling Bowman a hack. Get the hell out of here. That's just good, hard short track racing, and then throw a hissy fit at the end. How many times is Hamlin intentionally, clearly intentionally dumped people with Martinsville?

Get out of here. I still don't think he dumped Chase intentionally that year. Just my two cents. I don't either. Denny's great. Freddie, quit sucking your boss's d' dick and tell him to grow a pair of balls. He's a whiny-ass motherfucker and he needs to get over himself. T.J. Why the hell didn't you just tell Brad to just drive it up his ass and go for the win?

Brett, you're the only good person on this podcast. This is, again, the beauty of being here in person. I just stare at your face when they're addressing you. And I don't know if I'm listening to the podcast I can't see. I just hear like the breathing or heavy snickers or something. Yeah. So to like see T.J. cringe and stuff. You never know what these people are going to say.

Well, we can discredit that guy if he thinks Brett's a good person. So he lost, he was doing a good job. He started off great. He started off pretty good. But all his, all his, you know, he lost all credibility once he said that. This guy's a genius. Hamlin is the biggest hypocrite, whiny ass, SOB. in the freaking garage.

We've seen him do way worse than what Bowman did. And he wants to call Bowman a frickin' hack and that he gets his ass kicked by his teammates every freaking week. Let's look at Hamelin's teammates. Champion, champion.

Like, what the hell, man? Oh yeah, and Bowman has double the wins as you, you little fucking piece of shit. What a hack. He's, oh man. I tried to find one positive Denny call, they didn't exist. I should have called in.

I feel like Denny's gotten to the point in his life where, like, maybe, I don't know what age it happens in general, maybe age 40 or something. But you kind of get to a point where you're just like, yeah, I don't really care what anybody thinks. And like if you're secure enough in your profession, I still do because I could get fired tomorrow and then I would definitely care because I wouldn't be able to pin my mortgage and stuff. I was going to say, I don't think it's age, Jeff. I think it's money. We call it FU money. And then he has FU money. But then there's people above him that have everyone money. And those guys really,

really don't care. Those are the billionaire guys, right? But no, I think you're absolutely right. when you hit a point, you don't have a boss in life. And look how outspoken he's been this year. Now, obviously, people don't like what he's saying, but he doesn't care. He, like, literally doesn't care. I think Danny's at the, he's Kenny Power standing on the mound just telling everybody. That's pretty much Danny, like, I mean, that's, he's at that point in life. Yeah, he's definitely cross-chopping everybody from the- He's definitely crotch-chopping, yes.

I got to be honest, I got a crotch-chopping hack, Freddie. I've got Predio crossdrop for him if he needs him. Speaking of bosses, I've got one too, and I think Danny's amazing. But, I mean, we go back to what we said. He's on top of the world. I mean, he's got a fully funded car bringing in millions of dollars for Bubba Wallace, and it's won a race. And now he's adding a champion, Kurt Busch, to the stable.

That car will be fully funded as well. He's got Toyota behind him. He's winning races competing for a championship in his own car. I think he's got, I think it's the F you. He'll say anything. He'll say anything about NASCAR. he'll say anything about the other drivers. He just fans boo him.

Now if you're a sponsor, if you're FedEx and you're seeing him make moves like he did yesterday, and make the comments he did yesterday, what do you think they're saying? That's a good guy. I was wondering how they thought of that, especially the F-bomb on network TV. They might not be super thrilled, but I think they're so loyal to Denny and they're so in his corner over the years. I mean, it's not like they're going to be like, oh, this changed everything for us. I can tell you, if you're in this sport long enough as a driver, unless you're literally perfect, and most guys are not perfect.

You're going to do something that's going to upset your sponsors. I mean, do you think Kyle Bush's sponsors are thrilled with him today after the word that he said, I'm going to tell you something. Absolutely not. But to your point, Jeff, and to your question, Casey, I think that FedEx realizes. Look, how many FedEx employees use the F word? Every one of them, I would assume. I mean, 99% of them, right?

So how upset are you really going to be? I mean, this is a different world than it was 20 years ago. You know, we're not the Bible beating sport that we once were, right? So I don't think it's a big deal that he set effort on TV. I think what Kyle Bush did is a big global deal. Like, that's the one I'd be asking a question about. All right, last one. Has anyone noticed that the more Denny Hamlin feuds from the driver on track,

the more successful they seem to be, I mean, Kyle Bush, two-time champion, Joey Lagano, champion, Brad Kislauski, champion, Chase Elliott, champion, and him calling another driver for being a hack is like Brett Griffin calling out someone for being a loud mouth or TJ calling another guy for blocking. At this point, the only question I have is who chokes more? Denny Hamlin on the track or Freddie on, well, Hamlin. You know, I have a great week, guys. He saw the punchline of that one coming from like.

I can see that one coming. As far away as Kyle parked at the race judge. He's not wrong. Yeah. Yeah, the only thing I will say is bread is a loudmouthed. I mean, that is an understatement. If there are any accurate messages today, it is that one. That's good.

Good calls this week. Maybe next week don't bash my own so much, my boss. To leave an audio message 24-7, don't forget to go to anchor. Atm.fm. slash door bumper clear and click the message icon. We'll keep playing the best ones. and next week, I believe, is the last episode, so make sure you get your calls in so we can air them.

No, for the season. Offerpad, question of the week. Where has been your favorite place to call home so far in your life? Jeff, you lived everywhere. Yeah, what do you think? Okay, I'll give you my honest, truthful answer on the condition that it's just one word, there's no discussion of it, because Brett is going to jump so far down my throat on this.

I know where you're going to say. I know where you're going to say. I'm not going to say a word. I want to... What do you think of it? Portland, Oregon is my favorite place that I've heard. No, we've got to discuss this, I mean. Who says that?

You didn't see Jeff and all those riots running around downtown burning the city down? I thought we weren't going to... I knew you're going to say, hey, look, man, I've never been to Portland, but I've been to Medford, Oregon, and that is a gorgeous state. And I've heard great things about Portland. It's a beautiful place. There's wonderful people. You don't see the riots when you're living.

living there. But yeah, they look wonderful. They took over all city block. I mean, did what they wanted. It's one block. There's a lot of streets there.

You sound like me during a normal episode when I spotted with Joey. It was just one block. It's just one block. It wasn't that big of a thing. Chill. I met somebody that said they were, so I met a bunch of DBC fans. I did an appearance yesterday for the new NASCAR game,

NASCAR ignition. And when I came down, there was just a line of people there waiting to talk. And, of course, there was multiple T.J. sucks. But there was somebody said they live near you. I can't remember the name of town now. Lawrence, maybe, was there in upstate? I don't remember the name of the town.

But the guy's like, I live right. I was like T.J. You know, lived right to where he's from. But, yeah, it was awesome to see them. For me, I've only lived. I've lived in Long Island here, obviously. And we lived in, like, Fort Lauderdale, Florida for a few years. Probably here.

I mean, I got the unfortunate deal. I got to hang out of bread pretty often. But that's the only downside of living down here. I'm missing family. I had a lot of family on Long Island still. But yeah, this is probably, I made the move to work and raising, and I'm glad I did it. Patelan. Man, definitely not Pageland, South Carolina, guys.

Watermelon Capital of the world. Now, I wouldn't have known any different, right? I liked Pagelan until I left it, and then I realized it wasn't my place. Columbia, South Carolina was certainly an amazing. Hey, it's not a good place to visit for you. Maybe, okay, but it's a great place to live. Can we tell Jeff the. story after the podcast.

Now tell next thing. Yeah. That's a good idea. So Columbia was great, but I got to go back to my mother and my sister were kind enough when I was in middle school to buy a second home in Ocean Lakes Campground in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina. And obviously, I didn't call it, quote, home. I called it the beach.

Man, best years of my life, Ocean Lakes Campground. I love Myrtle Beach. Sunny Ledford. You remember any of those days? Yeah, I was a kid. Oh, well. Mama kept it until I was graduated college when I graduated college and she sold it off. There was no beaches where I was at.

Born in West Pennsylvania, I moved when I was young to New York and the other side of New York of Freddie, the real New York. But, you know, near the Buffalo area and then moved North Carolina from there, you know, three days after Christmas, 2001. In the middle of the snowstorm, Dale Jr. is hooking up a trailer with all my stuff in it to move down here. So, you know, probably like Freddie, man, we, you know, wanted to be involved in racing, moved down here. There's probably not a lot I would change down here. But I definitely miss. You need a pool. Yeah, I need a pool.

You need a pool. In a boat. I don't need a pool. See all the pine needles in my yard yesterday? Yeah, what's a pool boy? I don't know. A pool boy. Are you kidding me right now?

I miss Buffalo. You think I'm going to hire a pool boy. Freddie can be a pool. You would definitely hire a pool. Okay, yeah. I come back there to speedo and skim your pool for you. That would be awesome. Oh, man.

I had no idea. I seen somebody, like, DM me a hero car of yours. I think it was from when you ran that street stock slash super late model. And what color was it? It was the eight. Oh, that was in New York. He has a cup-like car. A cup-like.

So, but he said on there, you were from Pennsylvania. I'm like, he's not from Pennsylvania. Yeah, my parents, all my family is just north of the Pittsburgh. But we moved when I was, like, four years old, so I don't remember a whole lot of there. I was remember is snow and four straight Super Bowl losses. How do you like where you live in now? Yeah. So I just moved to, well, I just moved to a new house near the Denver airport.

First house I've ever had. And it's, thanks. It's nice to not be in the apartment life with two little kids running around and working from home. Yes. That was getting a little much during the pandemic. I love the snow ski. So do you have an extra bedroom by chance? Because you're only two hours from some of the great properties.

You'd have to split one with the baby right now. Okay. So baby wakes up probably two times a night. Yeah. No, Brett's on the baby schedule. They're going to cry about the same. And he needs eight hours. I need to be fed every three and a half hours, too.

Listen, he doesn't matter. He doesn't set an alarm. He sets a timer for eight hours. He doesn't go to sleep and wet. He has a timer. It doesn't matter. If you ever come out with us and we'll be sitting there drinking a beer, you'll be in the middle of whatever conversation we're having,

watching football, something, and you'll look over and see Brett, and Brett will be like, counting on his fingers, just one, two, three. And I'm like, what are you doing? I got to figure out what time I go to go to bed, so I got my eight hours. I'm like, it's part of the deal. And then magically he'll be like, is anybody know where the bathroom's at? And that's the last time you see bread for the evening.

Dip, Irish, goodbye. See you. So are you a Broncos fan? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I think the last time we were texting is when the Bills played the Broncos. And I remember that being, remember it like third and like third in goal from like the 25-yard line?

And I was like it is and they still score. Like. So, Jeff, even though your house in for sale, you can go to Offpad.com right now, put your information in because they're in Denver now, Denver and Nashville, new markets for them. Just see how much your house is worth. Because I can tell you when I put my house in, I was blown away. I was tempted to sell it. We won't tell the wife.

I mean, you'd have to, like, triple. I'm so tired of moving. I don't know what it would have to be on offer. I just want you to see how much money you can make. Yeah, that's all. That's all. I'm getting close. So my buddy just sold his house here in Mooresville, and he made bank.

He's actually the king of calling people hacks. Our buddy, Doug. He made bank on a house. Is that the house? Bank. Let the dog in? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, I'm close to convincing Chad to let us move. Oh, you're not. Offerpad, we may be using you soon. Oh, don't you worry. Oh, don't you worry. Don't you worry? We'll talk about it this week in the micro race.

Yeah, whatever. As Brett mentioned, go get a cash offer on your home today with our presenting sponsor, Offerpad.com. Time to get into our Expinity X-Fi more than fast moments. You need more than just speed to compete in NASCAR. So where did we see teams need to be more than fast this week? TJ. Man, it's going to be hard for me not to go with Alex Bowman. He had in front of him and he went and took it.

And now he gets to be aware every 15 minutes in his house of what he has done. So congratulations, Alex. My more than fast moment comes from the Xfinity race, Noah Gregson. That last restart, get the lead, lock yourself into the championship four there. I don't know how you beat that. It'll be an interesting race when it gets first. My Exfinity X5Moyer with Fast Moment goes to this week's hero, Kyle Busch. He parked his car.

He ran a six-minute mile on a train track and just shows he is an athletic specimen of a race car driver. So, Kyle, man, I don't know. I don't know what you do to train, but if you could text me your training secrets, that would be. He is. Awesome. He is great. I have an additional Expedity X-Fi More Than Fast Moment. I don't know if you guys heard the commands during the Expinity.

500, but Expinity launched a program called Xfinity Rewards for Xfinity customers and they selected Alex, gave him a VIP experience the entire day and he gave the command I think that might have been the best command

I've seen all season. It was really impressive, the crowd went wild so he is my contender for the XPINITY X-I more than fast moment this week. Here on DoorBubber Clear being more than fast is a way of life. Thankfully, there's a lot to choose from every single week on our Xfinity X-5 more than fast moments.

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Time for Brett's favorite segment, What an Idiot. Do we have a long list today, Brett? I've got a page full. I want to hear Jeff's what an idiot because I saw about a hundred of them this weekend. Wow. I thought I was going to go last here. I thought you were going to take all my idiots.

No, you're the guest. You've got to go first. I mean, we talked about many of the idiots that I was going to possibly nominate. I honestly think I will say myself for The Idiot of the Week because just, I mean, and fans would agree because like I was saying earlier, to think that they would be booing Alex Bowman, not Denny Hamlin, knowing all that we've talked about now, what was I thinking? Like, that is just insane. Like, how did I, how am I going to races all the time, following sport every week, and hear booze and not think that was for Denny Hamlin? That, I mean, that is truly idiotic. I have ashamed to myself that I didn't realize that at the time. Well, I'm not going to give myself the award, but me and Dale Jr. both said that Gregson should have took the bottom on the restart, and he didn't. He took the top. I thought Hemrick botched the restart, to be honest with you. If you go back and look at the replay, Noah Gregson was in front of Hemrick before Hemrick even went. I don't think it was a penalty, but at the end of the day, I don't know what the call there was going to be or not going to be. Obviously, there was no call. But my what an idiot goes to the 52 driver and the 52 crew chief. I just cannot give it to anybody. Don't stop there.

There's more. That's mine. Yeah. There's two people that I wanted to give one. There was one I saw in the truck race. 34 did the same thing. 34 was Josh Rueh, I believe. He stayed out.

He got himself wrecked on old tires. Same thing that the 52 did. Dumb. But then not only does the 52 stay out. Screws up the entire race there. He screws the playoff picture up. And then whoever runs these social media accounts, whoever Spencer Boyd, there's somebody tweeting from Spencer Boyd's personal account,

like, go listen to the radio transmission, you'll, and then tweet or something. Like, what, unless the radio said Spencer, dear God, please come down pit road. They, whatever they said on there was dumb. I promise you. You know. I think they tweeted, we love the haters or so. Yeah, like, love the haters. Like, you're an idiot.

Spencer, I hope whoever you gave that account to for the race is no longer got access to it. And then whoever's running Jimmy Means' account, which I hope. I'm friendly with Brad means, who I hope is not the person that's in charge of this account. But, I mean, to some of the tweets that were coming out of that account afterwards, like, listen, if you're going to make this move, you better be ready for the backlash. So that whole top to bottom, driver crew chief, social media, whatever you got, idiots, all of them. TJ. Oh, there are, it's almost really hard to pick him this week.

Yeah, just pick the 52 and move on. I mean, I know you're not going to do it. You know, I would give it to Kyle, but he's such a nice guy. you know he's kind of turning the page a little bit on some things so i can't really give it to him i'd love to give it to denny as well um because you know he just you love danny yeah it's racing when it's one side but when it's on the other side it's hack material um but man there are some idiotic moves i i i don't like seeing people get right hooked like that so i'm going to go with also way himself hey finally

Yeah, we got an idiotity, Jay. And when I look, I actually saw it happen, I was like, no, like some of them TikToks, no, no, no, no, no. Where are they getting? Oh, no, oh, no, oh, no. Oh, no. Yeah, it's like, oh, he did it. I think that's the perfect segue right into our championship picks.

Jeff, you got to go first again. Well, actually, Jason might have one. Real quick, what an idiot. Whoever threw a white clot, Denny Hanlon. I know. A fool one. Do you believe somebody wasted a white cloth, Jason? No way.

Especially if that wasn't brought in by a cooler, if they had to bring that in the discussion. track, pay track prices for that. $5.50. $55. If there's that, if you think Spencer was, or Austin Williams going on to Backstretched, just thinking to himself, nobody's going to know. How would they know?

Nobody's going to know. I have one more. Whoever wore the Freddie costume at the track and decided to get in my face at night when I wasn't paying attention, don't do that. There was a Freddie costume? Wait, what? What happened?

Duh, that was Freddy. like the Freddie who? Oh, Freddy Kruger you talking about? Oh, I thought you talked about Freddie Shat too. I'm like, what the hell? Yeah, the Freddie Kruger costume, I was talking to a NASCAR official

and this dude got in my face and I was like, you should have hit him. Yeah. Tempted. If I wasn't wearing Brady. Like, what do you mean got in your face? Like trying to scare you or? Like came out of nowhere,

got in my face with a cooler. He was wearing like, he had like a Dale Jr. Cool. Got my face as I'm talking to. Well, that should have been the giveaway. Yeah. I'm still confused. Was he like trying to scare you or was he being aggressive?

He was trying to scare me. So he wasn't like a fan of the show like, Casey? Well, I don't know. I couldn't see his face. Oh, it was T. Jen. Yeah, you don't do that at the track. With my Dale Jr. Cooler? Yeah, it was definitely me.

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championship four picks. We've got for trucks. I tried like hell to ruin Brett's final four. Yeah. How about we'll take picks for Trucks with Infinity and Cup? Jeff, you're the guest. You go first. Yeah, I mean, I think John Hunter Nemichick's can get this one.

I don't, I mean. Yeah. I think it's his. I think the guy that he was probably going to have to race got eliminated. Sheldon Creed was probably, I would have circled them to as two favorites. But we've seen crazy restarts there. I'm going to go off the wall a little bit. I'm taking Zane Smith to win.

Coming off a win. Man, I hate to side with Jeff on this for discussion purposes. But to me, if John Hunter and Imichick doesn't win this championship, what a waste of a chance for him, right? to do what he did, to leave the Cup Series, go back to trucks, to get in a position to win races and race for a championship, to be as fast as he was all year.

If he doesn't pull this thing together and win this thing, it's going to be a huge disappointment. Yeah, I kind of, I don't know, man, he seems to, he's been finding trouble when it's on the line. And Zane hasn't been as consistent as I would have liked to have seen. It's just either really hot or really cold. Sheldon would have been hard to pick against, but there's no Sheldon.

So I think it's going to be a surprise win. I think Ben Rhodes wins it. He had speed there last year, and I know he was fast last year and hit it in Forest EAST or anything because he didn't want to get in the championship, mess it up up, you know, at the end there. No love for the guy in this group

who has the most championships, Matt Crafton. Let's not forget also that Ben Rhodes made a gigantic spotter upgrade earlier this season. Duh, it's T.J. 2.0. That's what he call him. Moving on to Xfinity. Who do you guys got? Jeff?

Yeah, I'm going to go Austin Cynchric to repeat here. I think you could really make a case for all four of them. I mean, but I think just the championship experience being in that situation, and certainly they haven't lacked for speed this year. So I don't see a reason to pick against them there. I, again, I'm going to go off the board here. Really? I'm going to take Daniel Hemrick.

I think that that's... He's going to have to win the race. I don't think he has to. to win the race. But what my ideal situation would be that Daniel Hemrick finishes second and wins a championship. You better hope he don't have to win. And just, you know, uh, who's going to win the race, Algar? It could be it. Yeah. Algar is, is Ty Gibbs in the 54. No. John Hunter, I think, right? Yeah. John Hunter could easily win the race and Daniel finished second. And, and there's your champ, you know, those are your two champions. Because I think the 54's, I'm assuming, is in the owner's

championship, right? They are. So, I mean, I think, I hope Daniel wins a race in the championship, if that's the case. But I think it would just be the ultimate, like, funniest thing ever if, you know, we base so much on wins and a guy that's never won a race in anything win the championship without winning a race. But I just, the, those Gibbs cars have a lot of speed. And I think Daniel Hemmer can get it done.

I look at all four of these guys, Austin Cendrick, to Jeff's point, I think he's clearly the favorite, A.J. Amandinger, he's won a lot of races this year. Been fast. I don't know if Phoenix is going to be a place, though, where Collie can go pull it off. Certainly my emotions want to see A.J. pull it off. Daniel Hemrick, the irony behind what happened to him at Martinsville, he's going to win his first race again, right?

We go back to Atlanta. He's going to win his first race, and his own teammate wrecks him. Kyle Busch, the greatest to ever drive a race car, Kyle Busch. But we look at what happened this weekend. He's going to win the race. And with seven laps to go or whatever it was, Justin Haley loses his brakes and wrecks, which is the car that Daniel Heming is going to,

Daniel Hemerick is going to get into. Heming. Next year, I want to see Daniel Hemrick have a chance to win this thing, but to Jeff's point, how do you bet on a guy that's never won a race to win a championship? It seems like things just that black cloud, he's got to go over. Noah Glaxen, here's where I think Noah's chance to win a championship is, and I don't know if this can happen.

What's the biggest resource that Noah Glaxen has going into this race? It's just an Algear. He's an animal at Phoenix. So if I'm Noah Gragson, if Justin Algar will allow me, I'm going to tap into every resource that him, his crew chief, and his team have utilized to be so damn good there. Because Noah runs well at places that are hard to drive. And Phoenix is not an easy track.

Both corners are completely opposite. So when you look at these four guys, that's the way I break them down. I got to make a pick. And I'm going to go with my heart and say, AJ, I'm a, I'm a d'all. Moving on to, oh, T.J. Zare. I am. Thanks.

We've covered three of them. Well, it's Tamika. I think Cindrick's the favorite there. He won, you know, obviously he's the most ready of that group. He's the guy ready for Cup, in my opinion. He showed he's matured.

He's had speed all year. He's made, he's put it all together. He's grown tremendously since that first year in Xfinity, you know. So, but I do think Noah is on a mission in peaking at, the right time.

And if it comes down to an aggressive finish, a green-white checker finish, and NOAA's anywhere involved on it, I think NOAA is willing to do what it takes to get the checker flag. I think another point on that also talking about how aggressive NOAA is. You hear a lot of rumors in the garage that this team's probably breaking up a little bit. I've heard rumors Dave Allen's might be moving on to a cup opportunity. So this may be their last chance to work together.

So, you know, these guys are going to be on a mission to get this job done. I don't think Noah's far behind, in my opinion, I think Noah's been, I watched Noah drive at Martinsville, and he was driving determined. He has been, like, he had to win, and he was, and he's driving like that now. I think he carries that over to Phoenix, and obviously they have had speed there with Justin, and, you know, I'd be leaning on Justin a lot this week, and Noah's driving, he's peeking at the right time. It's hard. He's not far behind Syrac, in my opinion. I just look at this is so different in terms of, like, you made the cup ready reference, and that means this guy is going to go out and win this championship. I mean, I remember watching guys as old as David Green back in the day and as recent as Daniel Suarez now that were awesome, Jeff Green, awesome Xfinity Series drivers, and they got the cup and couldn't win races and couldn't stay relevant. I don't think that has anything to do with being the Xfinity Series champion.

I think this series still stands on its own. And I think winning this championship doesn't make you or make you cup ready or not. I mean, obviously, AJ's already been in the cup car. Daniel Hemrick's already been in the cup car. Austin's run seven races this year and certainly hasn't been super competitive in many of them, if any of them. I think Noah Glaxen's cup ready right now. I'm just saying, like, watching Austin from where he started where none of us thought he was probably going to win three races. I didn't ever think he'd win a race.

I mean, we know what I've said that on here. He's the most improved race car driver I've ever seen in NASCAR. I've actually, like, I've seen the work that he's put in, the studying that he's put in, all that stuff that he's, you know, put into it. And he's grown. I've seen the maturity level increase as well as the driving level across the board. So that's why that's, I'm not, even if he doesn't win the championship, I think he's the most ready to get into a cup car and put in what it takes to be at that level. Yeah. One top 10 and 7 starts this year, finished 9th in his last race.

obviously that was Indianapolis road course and I mean I think you could put all four of these guys in cup cars and be fine obviously AJ I'm gonna earner won a cup race this year good point moving on to the cup series Jeff yeah I mean it just feels like the year of Larson in a lot of ways I mean not just NASCAR but just everything he's been able to do across all all forms of motorsports this year it's it's so hard to bet against him and you know David Smith of sports analytics. He keeps all these numbers of awesome analytics. I mean, unbelievable, like the breakdown of them. And if you look at them, Denny Hamlin is by far the fastest car on the 750 tracks this year. So judging by that, you could say Hamlin could be the favorite. And had Hamlin not been spun by Bowman yesterday, I think a lot of people would have been like, oh, you know, Hamlin won Martinsville. He was strong. And now he goes into Phoenix. And there would have been a lot of favorite talk about him versus what happened. Right.

So I think you can make a good case for him, but I just, so I'm not going numbers-wise. I just feel like this has been Larson's year and Hendrick is not, yeah, that, you know, they're better on 550s and 7-50s, but they're still strong enough on 7-50s to make it happen, and I think Larson gets it done. I look at, you go back to a race like Richmond, and I feel like you're similar, you know, they're similar enough to where you can take comparisons from Richmond to Phoenix. and the Gibbs cars were the best cars at Richmond all day long, really. So, I mean, who do you think I'm going to pick here?

I mean, I'm going to go straight down to T.J. Route and take the boss man. Hope he gets it done. But just based off of that, I mean, you're looking at the two, like, Truex and Denny were the ones battling for that win at the end of the Richmond race. And I think you'll see them. Obviously, all four of these guys are going to be super fast. It's probably going to play out, you know, maybe a pit stop wins the race. You know, you never know here at Phoenix. It's so, you know, kind of difficult to pass.

I'll take the 11 and hope he gets it done. You guys are crazy. Do y'all not remember how fast Chase Elliott was last year at this racetrack? Did y'all not see how fast he was yesterday? This guy's got the most speed of anybody out there. Last year he started in the back and I think he was leading by the end of stage one. I've never seen a car that freaking fast. But I'm going to go with the guy who's going to piss everybody off if he wins.

Because I think to Jeff's point, if you say Kyle Arson's going to win because he's won nine races, he's had the best year. He won the regular season. and he's the best driver in the world, that almost seems too easy for NASCAR. Like, how often does the best guy win? How often does the fastest car in the race win? I think Denny Hamlin is huge on his resume. And what I mean by that is, if you say,

Denny, what have you done that you don't want to do? And it's like, well, I didn't win the brickyard. You know, I didn't win the brickyard. And I think that's why he drove so hard there at that road course because that's one of the places that he hasn't checked off that to him is a pinnacle event. this is the only one left. This is a big thing left on Denny's box to check.

I think he goes out and drives race of his life. I think Denny Hamill wins this race, wins championship. Who the hell are you going to pick? I mean, there's no Penske cars. You're going to pick Austin Cendric to win this one too? I might. Man, I want to lean towards Larson, but... Larson makes the most sense.

It almost seems too easy. It makes the most sense, but he also... He can't have these mistakes. He cannot have these speeding of... on pit roads. You can't do that. And, you know, nothing against the other two, but those are, you know, Martin makes, Martin makes pit road mistakes as well.

Luckily, Denny never does. Denny makes pit road mistakes well. So my guts telling me Chase Elliott. He's, he was, I don't know how you don't pick him. I'm an idiot for not picking him. I reserve the right to change my pick based on how tech goes Sunday morning. I really, I'm sitting, sit to the back. You want to, you want to take the night?

I'm leaning towards Chase. Chase Elliott has not won on an Oval this year, and you guys are picking him to go out and win the championship race? I know. Them guys. Don't group in with them, too. I remember standing on the roof, though, Jeff and watching in all of how he was three-tenths faster than second place into a run. Like, I was blown away looking at my fan vision going, what? That was last year when they were better at 7-50s.

We didn't have fan vision. Yeah, but when I look at Hendrick as a whole, Hendrick still, Hendrick right now has the most speed consistently for me. I mean, obviously, stating obvious. Alex Bowman. Yeah, 100%. Alex Bowman's won four races. He's a hack,

and he's won four races. So you want me to believe. Okay, who's a better race car driver? Chase Elliott or Alex Bowman? Chase Elliott? He'd argue Chase Elliott? I don't know how you don't. I mean, Chase Elliott's going to, I don't,

I think he's, I think he won this race. I think you pick, Chase has been here. I picked this. Is there not an argument for Truex to be made? He won Phoenix earlier this year? I mean, he won Richmond. He won Richmond. I think Truex will be, to me,

I think it goes... I think he probably went... I think Truex probably wins it because none of us picked him. Could be. Did you pick everybody yet? He gets to what an idiot. He picked awful.

No, I picked Chase. He picked off of it. I said, I picked Chase. I picked Chase because he's been there before. This is the same setup as last year. I don't... Chase... He doesn't make the metal mistakes a lot.

You know, he... And I know he hasn't won a lot of races here, but he was in his position last year. He's familiar with it. It came from the back. He knows the track. He has speed there. I just don't know how you pick against them.

I'll tell you who wins hands down this weekend or race fans. Because you can camp there. There's a lot of nice hotels there. And we're going to have a normal weekend finally. These fans... Doesn't that sound nice? It does. These fans are going to have something to watch.

And look, man, COVID sucks. It does suck. But when I turn on the television at the World Series, and I turn on the television at Martinsville, I turn on the television for college football games, people are everywhere. Right? This not practicing has saved teams.

I don't know if anybody will go on the record with you and tell you how much money, Jeff. Millions of dollars. When you look at four car teams, millions of dollars, COVID has saved them from not practicing, not preparing backup cars. Anything and everything about it. Employees had wage cuts. All the things. Travel, tons of money. I mean, millions of dollars.

Maybe somebody will go on the record with you because it's intriguing, right? But for us to go this weekend and fans, there's going to be. something on the track all day, every day, and I can't wait for that. I can't remember. Was there practice at Daytona? No, right? It was just qualifying? Is this going to be the first for Daytona 500? No, we practiced. We practiced. We practiced seven times, six times. We practiced at Indy. Yeah, Coke 600. Nashville. We practiced. We hit the new tracks. New tracks and Crown Jules had practice and qualifying. Yeah. But it's going to be an epic weekend. Like I'm excited for the weekend. I'm excited to crown three champions.

And Phoenix is an awesome market. Is it my favorite racetrack? No. Do I want it to be the championship race every year? Heck no. Was I fine with it last year? Absolutely. Am I fine with it next year? No. But it's unique and it offers a lot for fans. It's been good. It's actually been better than what I thought. I think speaking of champions, we should just move on to the next topic. Yes.

Because Chase Elliott right now is the favorite because, or as TJ's pick is the favorite, solely because it's a repeat track. She just wants everyone to have a good time. Exactly. Hey, regardless of who wins it, it's going to be, you name these four drivers and you automatically think, okay, this is going to be a good race. The fact that you all pretty much had very different opinions of who it could be shows how good this race is going to be.

Yeah, okay. Well, I guess you're really right moving on to DVC picks because I'd like to congratulate our 2021 DB6, DBC pick champion, Freddie. Kraft. He is now a two-time champ. You know, you win? Undefeated. Nothing. I look at these picks. T.J. has nine top tens and one win. Oh, it's terrible. Dude, I'm the biggest jinks.

Like, I picked Tyler Redick, and he, like, something happened. He texts me money, when he was like, you picked me, didn't you? I'm like, yep. I'm sorry, man. Who do you guys want to pick? It doesn't matter. It really doesn't matter. I'll take Quinn Huff. You're first. Yeah. I'm sick. Race for the last. He's third.

I want, I want Cody Ware. Let's pick, yeah, let's pick, let's pick 30-50 point. Is Cody where even in the race? Or worse. Like, let's see, like, Jeff Burton's calling me. He's going to want to know what I thought about that wreck. Whose fault it was? He's not going to like it when I tell him it's his fault.

I will, I, let's pick, let's pick, like, 20 open cars or something. I don't know, like the guys in the back. Hey, we're doing our show. What's up? I just saying what's going on. Yeah, we just listened to your trailer. We played it on our show, so now you're going to be famous. You're welcome.

Perfect. All right, I call you back. All right, buddy. See. So I got Quinn. Brett, who are you taking? Is Cody wearing the race? Yeah, I'm sure he's driving 51.

Yeah. TJ? You got to pick a hack, TJ. I'm looking for one. I'll tell you who I think is probably the best of the group. You should pick Bowman. I was going to go to Denny, but... You should pick Boma.

He's a hack. This is hard. I guess I'll take Smithley, man. Why not? Freddy's boy. I think Balikki might have been the past a pick there. I'm going to say, I'm going Beech. Bege is a good one. He's raising, right?

Damn, I should have picked B.J. Yeah, I just picking him for the hell of it. That's a good thing. Come on, Bej. Jeff, you want to get in on this hack pick? Yeah, who's your hack pick. I'll pick Quinn Hough and the finale of Sarkom. Did you pick him? Oh, you can't pick.

Oh, you can't pick. You can't pick. I was too. busy studying the list. I really think Baliki keeps things clean. He does. He does a good job. Yeah. He, like, for the amount of stuff that, like, these guys get, like, I think he stays out of the way. He does a good job. I'll take Baliki. All right. Good. Before we leave, John, sorry, Jason, this is going to be just like one more minute. I had said on here, we saw Austin Hills go into the RCR XNPET team, and I had made a comment on here that, previously, that, you know, there was a,

a guy that was really good, a guy that was really good, people were going to like getting in that car and it was going to be teammates to Creed, which is obviously RCR. And that was Parker Kligerman. And something happened here. I think they had a deal in place and it kind of fell apart. And unfortunately, now it's going to leave Parker looking for a job. But, you know, this is a good deal for Austin Hill. He came in, swooped in when the opportunity struck.

And this will be, that'll be a formidable team next year with Creed and Austin Hill there. RCR bill is really fast expensity cars. I mean, obviously that's been a big help for colleague and help them, you know, be fast out alliance. They didn't have a lot of, they won a race this year with Mike Snyder, but didn't, they weren't relevant every week.

They'll be relevant with these two guys. Speaking of my, you know, this, a lot of people I saw when this news came out, they're like, oh, what this is mean for Myatt? And they,

RCR has said that they're going to try to get them in a development car. A lot of people were speculating maybe call it. That's not the case. Call it a 10 car has a driver. We'll let that news come out organically, but it's not myatt. I can tell you that much.

And Mike will be in a, in a car that's... He'll be in a Chevy. He'll be in a car that's aligned with RCR. I'm sure you can do the math and figure out which one that is if it's not colleague. But it'll be interesting to, but yeah. So I just clear that up before. I'm sure the Reddit folks will get on me because it's not Parker,

who I kind of alluded to earlier. But hopefully Parker gets a good deal. Man, he ran his ass off in that cup race of Kansas in that 96 car. I think it was a little bit of a step up in the equipment. Actually, I thought he ran well. Yeah, I thought he ran well. I think it was a little bit better car than the 96 maybe normally has. But still, Parker was driving the wheels off at there.

Jeff, I'm going to put you on the spot because we obviously got to wrap because Jason was having a heart attack how long the show is. We didn't have to spend the first half of the show telling the Jeff Gluck story because you've been on here before. Looking back at the season, right, what's been your biggest surprise and what's been your biggest disappointment as far as drivers go? I mean, disappointment, it's probably one and the same, honestly, with Harvick, right? That, to me, is shocking. And I know that, yeah, you know, during the playoffs last year, he sort of stumbled. But there wasn't, you know, if we had gone into this next season and it was like, oh, this is a new car, this is a new package, there's going to be all these changes. I mean, everything was frozen.

There wasn't, there was no major changes happening. So a guy comes off a season where he's won nine races. I think, you know, yeah, he's getting his mid-40s, but he's still perfectly capable. I mean, he had a good season for what he, for the speed he had, like average finish-wise. to not win a race, to me is, like, shocking. And I think if you could go back and ask 100 people before the season, like, do you think that he'll go winless this year? People would be like, what?

Winless. He's in the final eight. Yeah, absolutely. He's going to win. Yeah, for sure. Like, it's Kevin Harvick. So, yeah, to me, that's wound up together. Like, that's still is kind of stunning how that whole thing unraveled.

Yeah. And I mean, you look at Stuart Haas now. There's been question of whether or not Smithfield. comes back. If that doesn't happen, and I've heard it looks better now than it did, if that doesn't happen, then you've got to wonder who drives a 10 car, right? I mean, do you make a driver change, or do you give Eric another year? Obviously, that's the only car in the stable, and this is a surprise for me to want to race. If you just said one car is going to win a race, Stuart Haas, pick which one, nobody would have took Eric Amarola. Everybody would have took Harvey.

But you look at the other cars, like Stuart Haas is struggling performance-wise. I mean, you can't blame it all on Ford because Penske is not what they once were, but they're not struggling like Stuart Haas is, you know, and I don't know if it's a depth thing. Obviously, if they knew what it was, they'd fix it. The new car is probably a welcome site for them at this point. So, I mean, I can't argue that. What do you think that NASCAR needs to do from an entertainment perspective? Because we talked about this last week on the show, the drivers taking shots at low attendance. I was not a fan of drivers doing that. Because in no other sport, have I ever heard athletes say, wow, man, you know, nobody's coming to

watch us play today, not in a public forum. So what do you think NASCAR needs to do to fix that problem? Because Martinsville was pretty dang full, you know? They sold them to those tickets they sold since 2016. So what do we do to get people back to the track at, and I say specifically these tracks, because to me that's where our racing has been off at mile and a halfs? Well, I mean, it's tough. I mean, when you see the product at mile and a halfs right now, it's a tough sell for the people that don't really like that kind of racing, the 550 type of racing and have made up their mind. And I mean, how are you going to get somebody to go back to Texas the way that track races? I mean, I think you have to almost completely focus on everything

but the racing. You can't sell the racing there. Right. How can you? What do you think Steve Phelps oversold with his comments that the new car fixes everything? I do think that in the sense, I mean, it might fix a lot of things financially and sponsorship and maybe all that comes into play. But he said everything. I mean, his context was everything. I think that every time a new car comes out, we hear this is the thing. I mean, we heard about the COT. I can remember the hype for the COT. Right.

This is going to be like, this is going to make the racing better at Fontana and all this stuff. Like, I mean, I remember Gillian Zucker being said, oh, NASCAR's telling me this is going to like really make Fontana like one of the best tracks on the circuit. Everybody always says that about a new car. Yeah. I mean, personally, I think we have to be super, super patient with the new car because I think it's going to take some time to really dial it in. I'm looking at the new car more for the benefits of what it's going to do for the teams off the track than what it's going to do on the track. I mean, the racing is almost secondary in a way for the model it's creating. Because, I mean, the whole ownership, sponsorship thing, that is more important to the health of sport right now.

Yeah. I do think, though, that, you know, if you can get to more short tracks, obviously they went a little bit overboard maybe on road courses. I think short tracks fix so much. And that's what we saw at Martinsville, Bristol. Right. I mean, stop paving over your best short tracks, I think would be great. And go to more if you can, find more. And I know NASCAR is shining.

Look at the L.A. Coliseum thing, you know. Yeah, I mean, we've got short tracks. You just got to make them NASCAR friendly, right? Speaking of tracks, championship track, where are you going to go? Yeah, I mean, can I go back to Homestead? You can. 100%. That's what I say every week, every time we thought I want to race Homestead at any of the year.

It was the perfect ending. I don't see why that was such a, I mean, I get that you want a reward. Phoenix for their renovations and they spent a lot of money there, but what was wrong with Homestead? Nothing. Nothing was wrong with Homestead. Especially not the racing. One thing I took away from your article about, you know, like the F1 versus NASCAR article that I think me and Brett have talked a lot about here was, you know, making the comment that like the F1 announcers treat the fans like adults. Like I feel like that's a big problem in some of our broadcast. Like you're, it's almost like, I don't want, you're dumbing it down too much. You know, I feel like,

you know, the fan that has been watching for 30 years doesn't want to hear you explain. Track bar. Yeah, like what the tire, what tire pressure is. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like, obviously, you know, there's some things you can touch on, but like I feel like it's just way too dumb down. And I couldn't agree more with the fact that, you know, like they treat their, they treat their listeners like they've seen a race before. I got a question for Jeff real quick.

I've always thought, I love how the Formula one ends their races. They put the top three on a podium right there and bring the teams over and they kind of celebrate. And they do it like in an area where they, and then let's, you know, the fans come up to it, kind of get closer access. And I know they do something similar down in the front stretch after the race now, but wouldn't it be cool to do a podium thing? And like, I don't know, I mean. Especially yesterday to be up there fighting each other. That'd be awesome, wouldn't it? I just really enjoy that part of it. Open, barricade a little

section off and they open the thing up for the fans before the one and kind of let them get, you know, in the area to celebrate a little bit. And I love how they do that. I think it'd be great. The reason I think a podium would be really cool in NASCAR. if they ever were willing to do it. And because I think that they would view that as this is too open wheel and this is not us. But for the conflicts that would have happened, the tension and the awkwardness would be fantastic. And it's like that was Lewis and versus Max. So like that's like the guy's not looking at each other.

Yeah. I mean, if you had Kyle Busch and Keselowski there or something and one of them just finished first, one finished second and they're having to stand up next to each other for photos and not leave and spray champagne. Oh my gosh, people would tune in for the poster show for whatever, how long it took to see those guys. Oh, what are they going to do?

Oh, did you see that? He didn't look at them. Oh, they brushed shoulders. Yep, yep, yep. So what do we got to get trending in order to get a podium freaking thing here? We've been talking about it for years. They usually listen to our suggestions

or either the things that we say just magically happen. You guys press NASCAR's button so much. You guys need to give them. No, no, no. No, no. Look at them when you do this. I work for NASCAR. I got a funny look, so I went in to talk to Kipp

about, happy birthday, by the way, yesterday was Kip's birthday. I wished him happy 75th birthday. So I congratulate him on leading the most laps

in the truck rates, but unfortunately he wasn't driving the face car. But I went in there yesterday to get a sticker for something and I came out and I got some funny looks coming out of the NASCAR hall.

I swear to God this trip was voluntary. I went in there on my own today. Oh, man. That's awesome. So next year for Jeff Gluck, stay in the course, staying with the athletic, doing your podcast.

What's your plan? Yeah, I got a one more year on my current contract. I have a contract the first time of my life. That's cool. That's awesome. Because that helped my decision to buy a house. You know what I mean?

In the media industry? Right. Like you're like, I don't think I should ever do that. And they're like, oh, I got a two year deal. I can actually like know that for next year I will be continuing.

I can pay my mortgage. That's amazing. That's a stability. I love that. Yeah. So that was cool. Yeah. I mean,

obviously you guys probably have 10 or 10 times more listeners than we do on the tear down. But we have a post-race podcast to tear down, and we try to do our best right after the race, and it's hard sometimes right after, because you're still trying to sort through everything. Yeah, right, right. But, yeah, I mean, just writing for the athletic, and people hate pay walls and let me know all the time, but I don't know how I'm supposed to get to the race and pay the bills if people don't subscribe. So the content that you guys put out is awesome, though. I love the athletic across all sports. I mean, the investment, the investment that the athletic has made to sports. is the ESPN of the internet.

It's what ESPN used to be for me. I don't even, I go to the athletic for everything now. They've went across the board and not just racing, but with NFL and all the stuff, because I follow the athletic for your guys, NASCAR stuff and NFL stuff, like the Buffalo Bill stuff. And I love it. Yeah, I mean, the writers I follow for my teams, I'm like, man, I got to do more stuff like that for NASCAR. Like, I eat it up, you know. Yeah, it's great.

I think the athletics. But it's cool they bought into it like that and created this play. platform for us to go get the info, so I'm glad you're part of it. Thank you. I appreciate you guys. We're always glad to have you. Invite yourself anytime. No, I really appreciate you guys letting me come and mess up the show like this. Is this super fun for me. There's just two small things I've got to touch on before. First of all, we need to have, when this show drops, maybe tomorrow's on time, I am expecting a Jeff Gluck poll on if whether or not this is a good show. There you go. I like that. And second,

second of all, are you wearing a C.E. Falk shirt is an apology today? I am. So this is a He listens too. Oh, way to you hear this. So I'm at the baseball field, right, and we're playing a baseball game, and we lose our first game, and I'm pissed off. I'm going to say you're happy. I am straight up mad, right? I'm like, we should not be losing these games to these teams.

So I'm in a really bad mood, and it's ruin my wife's whole day, because I'm being an asshole, right? And so I get home, and I'm like, I've got to clean this garage out. I got to do some things before I have this Halloween party. dude up pulls this black Tahoe to my house and I'm like I don't think they're the right place or maybe my kids order DoorDash or something like I don't know what's wrong well out gets this guy and I'm still doing my thing well next thing I know is like maybe this is an amazon driver because you know amazon drivers now they drive everything they don't just drive the amazon man so up

this dude he's got a handle of Tito's and a t-shirt and I'm like well this guy obviously knows me because I like t-shirts and I love Titos so this this guy's so he hands up to me well I didn't have my hearing age in so I couldn't hear what this guy saying and he walks off and he gets back in his car and he leaves and I put the teedos on the table and my kids were like dad that was super weird who was that guy and I said I'm not real sure like I kind of think I know who it is but I'm not 100% sure and so and I didn't want to you know make an idiot of myself and they're like well if some random person showed up at the house one of our friends and dropped something off you'd be freaking out and I was like yeah so anyway I open his shirt up and it's C Falk and I was like

dang I think that was C.E. Falk. So I got Freddie, and I was like, Freddie, was this C.E. Falk? And I explained the guy to him, and he goes, yeah. So C.E. I would have welcomed the guy in my house, went out back, built a fire, had a beer. Drink the bottle of Tos. I needed

something to calm me down after the weekend of baseball we had, right? So next time, C.E., when you pull up to my house and randomly walk down my driveway with a half gallon of vodka, sit down and have a drink with me. Make sure Brett's hearing aids are in so he can do that the hell you're saying. Yeah. He can't believe you, man. He's been around a long time.

I was just DMing him this week. Yeah, I mean, I'm an idiot for that. I should have made you my one idiot. But he should have been like something. Hey, Brett, I'm C.E. Oh. Maybe he did. I could have him.

He should have held a sign up. He might have. I don't know. I couldn't hear him. Maybe he did. But yeah, anybody else who wants to stop by my house and drop off a half gallon? I'm not going to be mad at you. I won't even ask who you are from now on.

I go to your house and take a half gallon. Oh, man. But, Jeff, always, huge fan of yours. props on show all time. Thanks for being a listener. Thanks for coming on. Definitely helps our integrity because these other two. I don't know about them. Yeah. Yeah. We're the ones dragging the integrity down around. I appreciate all the

shoutouts. I'll be like driving to pick up Chick-fil-A or something and then I'll listen to the podcast and be like, well, Gluck poll said this or Gluck tweeted this. I'm like, hey, that's me. Shut out. I think we need next year we should have an episode with you and Bob. I'm down. I'm down. I'm down. Bob's not going to agree. He doesn't agree with the burnout stuff, by the way.

I know. Like, yeah, he He's anti that. You don't ruin somebody's celebration. Yeah. He's not going to like the podium idea then. No. Top three. Speaking of celebration, though, Noel Grafton, holy, burnout, jumping on the car. Shotgun of beers. Shotgun of beers. Opening with his mouth. Yeah, I don't think you're supposed to do that. I mean, it's not like you're a green beret and you need to do that and prove you're tough. I would use my pants on. I was hanging out with Derek Neelan's crew. I can't remember who this was now. I was cousin of Derrick's or something at Loudon. It was like Bobby Timmons and all. these guys and they're like you guys want to a shot gun on a beer and of course I don't know I don't know that I've ever

said no to that question but I was like yeah sure let's go and I swear it was like Derek's cousin or something she walks up she she she's like all right let's go and I'm like good so who's got a key you know I'm popping a hole in my can whatever I think timens did one maybe and she's like I got it and just bites into the can bites the hole cracks the time I'm like I'm way out of my league here I'm not I don't know what I've done maybe I got to retire I was like wow but yeah

you just made no sound like a pansy I mean, I was saying I know it was tough and you're saying anything. Yeah, I mean, Brett's over here. I'm a fancy too if that's the case because I made my hole with a key, I think. I would have to have, I would cut my lip. My luck is not good enough to bite a can. Yeah, now. All right, Jeff, love you.

Thanks for coming all, brother. Appreciate you guys. Thanks for listening. Can't wait until next week. Hope you made it to the end. Yeah, if you're in Phoenix this weekend, definitely come say hi. And shout out to everyone who stopped, at least me at the track and said how much Brett sucks.

than TJ. Except for the Freddie guy. Yeah, except for that dude. Have a great week and see y'all soon. We out, Hala. See ya. Word. Check out Dirty Mo Media on YouTube, Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram.

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