Door Bumper Clear - 237 – Phoenix II with Daniel Hemric & Ben Rhodes: Champions

Episode Date: November 11, 2021

On the 2021 season finale, T.J. Majors, Freddie Kraft and Brett Griffin are back from NASCAR Championship Weekend at Phoenix Raceway with plenty to say. Along with co-host Hannah Newhouse, they discuss how each title race played out and chat with two new champions – Xfinity Series winner Daniel Hemric and the Truck Series’ Ben Rhodes.Freddie’s season with Bubba Wallace faced an early end after a wreck on Lap 8 during Sunday’s race. Hear from Freddie about how the No. 23 ended up being collateral damage. Then, the gang starts with the Truck Series championship race and John Hunter Nemechek’s defeat. Hear about the No. 4 truck’s early mistake, questionable decision making later in the race and what this loss may teach Nemechek.The Cup Series championship ultimately was decided by a late caution that brought all four title contenders down pit road. Should a caution have been called for the debris from David Starr’s car? How would have the race played out if it stayed green? What do the guys think about a pit stop ultimately determining the champion? They share their thoughts on how everything unfolded and provide insight on an industry secret concerning lug nuts. Plus, they discuss how Kyle Larson ultimately pulled off the biggest victory of his career.Each series’ champion is decided by the season finale each season. Is that the best way to determine who the sport awards the title of champion? The guys debate the idea of a single race championship and propose alternate ideas on how to determine the top team after an entire season.Tony Stewart called Kyle Larson the best race car driver he has ever seen after Larson’s dominant season. The guys discuss the impressive list of accomplishments Larson achieved this year to earn that kudos and what it means coming from Stewart.Sunday marked the final race in the Gen 6 car era of the Cup Series. Find out what Denny Hamlin’s crew chief Chris Gabehart had to say about the artistry of the sport dying with this car and why it has the guys sad to see it go.NASCAR President Steve Phelps said that fans who prefer a higher horsepower aero package are a “vocal minority” and that the data suggests “we have better racing right now than we’ve had arguably ever.” Does the crew agree with those bold statements? They dissect his comments and the direction NASCAR is headed in with its on-track product.Ryan Newman raised safety concerns about the Next Gen car at Phoenix and it surfaces a broader concern for the group regarding driver representation in the sport. Hear why they think if the new car is any less safe than the current car, it’s unacceptable. Plus, they share why drivers need to have a seat at the table when NASCAR makes big decisions.Next, Daniel Hemric joins the show to talk all about winning his first career NASCAR race and championship all on the same night. Hear about his celebrations from the past few days, his mindset making a Dale Earnhardt-esque move on Austin Cindric at the line, and the bet he helped Bubba Wallace win with Michael Jordan.From one champion to the next, Truck Series’ title winner Ben Rhodes joins next. He shares about how he made the right moves to secure the title, what he remembers about his legendary alcohol-influenced post-race press conference, and how getting rid of T.J. as his spotter elevated his performance.In Reaction Theatre, T.J. reveals his 2022 spotting plans, a Fireball challenge is proposed, Hamlin’s haters weigh in, and the highlights from one intoxicated press conference are played.Lastly, a surprise to end the season as the inaugural DBC Year End Awards are presented by the boss, Mike Davis. Find out what critically acclaimed honors the gang earned in 2021 as they reflect back on some of the season’s best moments. Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Door, bumper, clear. Hey, what's up? I'm Freddie Kraft, and you're listening to Door Bumper Clear's 2021 season finale presented by OfferPad. Well, the season is in the books, and we're back from Phoenix to react to it all. We'll talk Kyle Larson's championship, the pit stop that decided it all, Daniel Hemrick's bump and run on Austin Cindrick, the Gen 6 car's final race, the NASCAR president's arrow package components, and much, much more. Plus, we have two champions during the show as Daniel Hemrick and Ben Rhodes stopped by.

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This isn't the download. Nah. This is door bumper. Clear, clear, clear. There you go. I like it. Hey, everybody. I'm T.J. Majors.

It's part of the two. Oh, well, was the two cup car? Used to be the two. What are you spotting for now? You can't tell you? Yeah, we're not. Who knows, man? And welcome to the Bojangles studio.

I love Bojangles. Welcome to that Mojangles studio. Starting off your day with a Cajun Filet Biscuits. And we did. For Loddangles for that. Brett Griffin's spotter this year for Collick Racing part-time. Next year I'm back on the roof full-time. Freddie, speaking of part-time, you sure didn't have a long effort on Sunday.

What's up, Freddie Crafts, Spotter for Bubble Wallace, Derek Krauss, Jeb Burton this weekend. And I certainly turn one, or I guess turn three now, turn three was not kind to me this week. So, yeah, short day Sunday. What do you mean? I thought you, I thought you. thought someone's bumper wasn't kind to you. Yeah, well, that was, that's the case. I don't know really what was going on there.

I looked like the 7 and the 47 were kind of racing the hell out of each other on the bottom. And we were kind of the victim of collateral damage. Collateral damage, I guess you could call it. I saw Corey kind of dive in there, and I think Corey was kind of trying to dive to the bottom to beat the 47 to the line. And I don't think the 47 ever hit Corey, but I think he just was, you know, packed a bunch of air on his right rear. Got Corey out of shape. and when Corey corrected it, he took us out, unfortunately, and ended our day fairly early. I think it was lap seven or eight.

Eight. Yeah, lap eight. So, well, he set up there for a long time. Got the offseason started. Yeah, I was going to watch the race. I got to make my notes for DBC, you know. But yeah, got my off season started too early there, unfortunately. Speaking early, Hannah, Newhouse was with us today, and she was not early.

Yeah, she was not early. I'm just keeping the trend alive, okay? I mean, Jesus, one show at the end of the year, and you can't even be on time. Yeah, no, like I said. And you know why she wasn't on time? It's not even a valid reason. Why? She had to have her coffee.

Exactly. And I still didn't even get it. I had to pull out a line to come here because it took so long to get my coffee. So I also have no coffee. So also, where is TJ and what have you done with them? I agree. We even have people tweeting about us last week. I love that.

I finally has an opinion again after three years of no opinion. The moment I walked in, I was like, I'm sorry. What's T. Is Penskekei Conchrick finally raised? Anyways, I'm Hannah Newhouse. I, and I work, apparently, is what this says. I work for an array of people. We'll get to that later.

Yeah, but you just sign a new deal. I know, yeah. A big deal. I did. Tell us about it. Yeah, just let's hear it. So I am full-time over at World Racing Group now, which houses the World of Outlaws, Super Dirt Car series,

and I am a digital content over there as well as a full-time pit reporter. Did you say content? content. Jason just got excited. Keep an eye on Jason. Everybody watch Jason. Yep. I love time.

Easy. It could be changing colors in there. Content. So it's a minimum of a 55 race schedule for me next year. Well, I'm looking forward to seeing what content you can put out next year. Oh, boy. All right. Anyways, Jason.

Hey, Jason. It's a great content over here. Someone tweeted yesterday said the content king. I'm like, I'll take that title. We have to send a huge shout out to Dale Thomas. Yeah, Dale. Dale. Jeez, oh, man.

I know that we like to drink on here a little bit, but I think you went overboard. We have no less than six bottles of liquor on the table. Is this all from one person? Dale, thanks for making me start to drink. Hey, Dale, I like vodka. Oh, wait, I like screwball. And he sent you lots of glasses. You've never had screwball?

You've never had screwball. Okay, you make fun of me for not liking dark liquors. That's about the only one I'll drink. It's peanut butter whiskey. Oh, that's why I'm not. Screwballs from somebody else, right? Yeah, screwballs for somebody else. I mean, not.

Throw us off Twitter. Hey, while he's looking it off, looking it up, I like what you did on the spotter stand with your tape. Oh, for baby Jess. Yeah, that's cool. Yeah, unfortunately, Travis Braden and Jess Ballard, baby Jess, aka they're good friends of mine. Unfortunately, Jess announced the other day that she has breast cancer and she's kind of going through that process now. So I have no doubt that old baby Jess will kick cancer in its ass. Yeah, she's a little badass.

Yeah, so I'm hoping. hoping for them guys to pull through good. Hope get well soon. I'm sure it'll be a long road, but you'll be fine. She's spunky. She is spunky. She's about, what, 5'2 in stature? Yeah.

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Offerpad wants to give you a great offer on your house. When asked where you heard about OfferPad, select the NASCAR option so they know we sent you. All right, time for Spot on. spot off, obviously a lot to cover over the past weekend from Phoenix. First one, John Hunter Nemechek runs into the wall and makes contact with the O2 truck on lap one and never recovers to contend in the truck championship race. Only appropriate, Freddie, you want to start this. Yeah, I mean, spot off. This starts in qualifying, in my opinion. You qualify mid-pack. I think he was 15thish somewhere around there

and you put yourself around a lot of, you put yourself in the Hornets nest essentially and that looked like what had happened. You know, he looked like they were four or five wide into one like we are every restarted there and he just got up a little too high, got in the fence and cut a tire and just you can't put yourself in that box,

especially in a race of this magnitude where, you know, everybody's going for it. You qualify 15th, mid-pack, 15th, 15th, wherever it was, your teammates on the pole by two-tenths, you know, so I don't know, I don't know what the, you know, disconnect was there, but there was a lot of missed opportunities here. I feel like for the full car, you know, the biggest thing that I took away from it was the decision not to waive at the end of the first stage.

I thought that was a mistake. I thought that... Epic. You know, I thought that they could have put themselves on a lot better position for the end of the race if they had waived there. Even on old tires, I don't think they were going to get lap to that second stage. The leaders barely lapped the 22 truck right before the end of the stage. In my opinion, even on Brett 15, 20 lap. the four is going to outrun the 22. Absolutely. You know, it's just, and the biggest difference

there is you restart the end of the race with the guys you're racing against versus behind all of the lap cars, which he, he's still in the last 50 laps, whatever it was after that's final caution. He finally got the lucky dog, I think, 45 to go or so. You know, he restarted last, essentially, and drove to 7th. Now, if you put him ahead of all those lap trucks, you know, you put him right back in the championship hunt. Yeah. I, man, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, spot off too. I mean, you just talked about it. We talk about it on here all the time. T.J. Execution. Pay attention to details.

You miss qualifying. You missed strategy. You missed a restart. I mean, you just, you compounded your own mistakes here, and it cost you a shot at the title. I mean, you were the best truck all year long, probably the best truck going to the weekend, the championship favorite, and it didn't play out. It's why we race. I mean, you look at the race itself.

It certainly turned out to be a barn burner, but man, what a frustrating day they had there. Yeah, I'm spot off. Didn't want to see it happen that early, and you don't want to see any of the guys. You want to see a good race. Come back to the line, but you make your own luck, man. You make a mistake. You put yourself back there like Freddie said, and that things can happen.

So when you're in that position, though, I don't think part of me feels like he felt an hurt. Like, he needed to be to the front in the next 20 laps. But no, no, there's still plenty of time in them truck races, and he had plenty of speed. to wait that extra corner. You don't have to force it. No, there's no reason to be driving over your head on lap five or whatever. One. Okay, well, even better.

Just chill, you know, take one at a time. And especially in that race, that's the race where you can't force anything. Once you get to the front, there's no chance the four is not going to drive back into the top four. It's by the end of the second stage, easily. You know what I mean? Just by being smart, one at a time. Okay, I'm going to wait. I'm going to try four wide with these people.

guess what? Oh, I got a flat tire. Just chill, you know, but I just hope he learned something from this because we've seen it this whole round, you know, the whole, even going into the back to Martinsville, he's got a 30-something point cushion going into the last race, and he's roughing and he's roughing up mid-pack and gets himself wrecked because of it. You know, early in that race, he's racing hard where I think Creed off a four. I've seen them two jacked up sideways. You know, you know, he's, you know, Creed's crowding him a little bit, and John Hunter stays in there. Like this, you've got to realize you've got probably the best truck on the race track. Who's his spotter?

John Hunter's Hirschman. It's a lot of experience, too. I mean, you got a guy on the roof this won championships now in multiple series. Who's a spotter for Hemrick, Hirsch? Yeah. So look, you got Daniel and was smart, and then you got a guy going there who could have done the same exact strategy as Daniel and not made any headlines, not made anybody mad, just quiet finish, get yourself into that championship. I think that's a, and I think John Hunter will get there.

He has plenty of talent. and speed. So I think John Hunter would get there. I think he'll be a threat. You know, the old adage, you've got to lose one before you win one. I think he'll learn from this. 100%.

Yeah. All right, the next one is debris from David Starr's car brings out the final caution of the cup race, setting up pit stops where Kyle Larson beats the race leader MTJ off pit road. That video, it's all over social media. It's a cool pit stop. You can start Brett.

Well, first of all, I'm spot off for David Starr. causing this caution. And let's be honest, Kyle Larson wins this championship, wins this race because of this caution. If this caution does not happen, Kyle Larson was fourth when he came on to pit road. Why did he come off first?

Because of where he qualified, because of a very fast pit crew. Spot on for what those guys did there, because obviously Kyle qualifying on the pole, set him up for a great weekend. But if it's not Rick Ware racing, I'm sorry, Rick Ware racing, or if it's not one of these back markers

causing a caution at the end of this race, this is really, ridiculous. I mean, it just, it's frustrating for me to see. Freddie and I talked about it after, and Freddie mentioned the debris wasn't really in the groove. But I just watched that whole race play out hand, and I was like, man, this is Denny's race to win. Man, Martin Truex's his car is the fastest now. It's his to win. And he has a problem. He's on pit road. Like, the way things were happening, I just kept talking myself into who was going to be the next champion. And lo and behold, the best guy of the season, Freddie, took it home. Yeah, you know,

going back watching the video, I mean, I think that the debris was probably, safe enough out of the way, but you're looking at a quarter of a brake rotor. Where's the other three quarters? NASCAR probably had to throw that yellow. But to your point, it just sucks that our season-long championship gets decided by, you know, a piece of debris laying on the racetrack. The biggest thing I looked at, I went back and looked at some stats from Pitt Road. And, you know, there's a lot of different factors that go into a guy beating a guy off

of pit road. And it's not just the pit crew. You know, a lot of this speed, anybody that's listened to the radio can hear us bringing our guy down pit road, and it's, it's, you know, five lights, six lights, two light, back to green, you know, one light. You know, so it's, you know, when you hear that, that's us pushing our lights. And if you look at, you know, the pit stops difference between Larson and Truex was huge. There was 1.3 seconds on the pit crew alone. But the difference between Larson and Hamlin was only three-tenths of a second. And the biggest difference was, you know, almost a half a second.

Kyle made up on Danny just rolling pit road essentially. So, you know, that's a lot of different things. That's pit stall selection, which you go back to qualifying. Larson put himself on the pole, got himself the best pit stall. You know, that's maximizing your lights. That's getting out of your box without any traffic in front of you. There's just a lot of different factors there. And another big factor I thought I thought it was interesting yesterday.

5, 11, 19 all get hit with a four lug-nup penalty. The nine card didn't. That essentially them guys are trading $10,000 for a chance of the win. I mean, a chance of the championship, which anybody would do, obviously. But, you know, a secret of the sport, I guess, I don't know if you, I'm sure everybody knows it now if you're listening. Everybody hits four lug nuts all race long until the last stop. You know, the wheel will be tight with four lug nuts.

These guys, and then everybody puts the fifth one on for the end because they don't want to get the penalty. But, you know, these guys all decided, we're going with four here, and we'll just take the fine whatever, eat it up. But, you know, just interesting to see that the nine car didn't do that because he did not get a penalty yesterday. So he had all five, and his pit stop was slower. It was a 12-7 versus an 11. and five. So just interesting to see how that played out, but it's kind of, I said it last week on here that I thought it might come down to a pit stop just because of how hard it is the

pass there. And it just sucks that a debris caution late in the race is what's going to decide a champion. Yeah, I'm, uh, I mean, I, it's hard to be, I want to be spot off for it. But man, that's, that's a, that's a legit issue, man. You know, that's a real, that's a real caution, you know, a guy that don't plan for that. That's a natural, that's a natural caution. So How many laps down was David Starr at the time? Maybe one. Maybe my ass. I'm just kidding. I'm not sure.

I mean, you can't tell guys to, you know, your race is done or do you? You know, hey, we don't let them come out there with a wreck race car anymore. Championship race. You go six down, you're done. Championship race. I mean, hey, since we're talking about. You know, I hated to see it for Truex, but it set up for a good finish at the end. And, you know, those guys, how do you mean, they?

earned it. They got the lead. I thought it was going to come down. I thought watching that play out, it was going to be very interesting because the 11 was catching the 19, but obviously we know how hard it is the past there. You know, I don't, he would have probably had to move him. I don't know that he would have been able to, been good enough to get there and outrun him. He was slowly catching him. It was going to be hard for him to get there because if he wasn't, he wasn't knocking big chunks off in clean air, when he gets in that dirty air, he's going to be even worse. I can't. I can't believe I'm going to say this on here because it's my boss. and beep it out.

He probably shouldn't even been up in there after that restart where he just hung a left about a car link before the start and finish line. Yeah, ma'am. That probably should have been a penalty and it was the night before we saw with the seven. It was when I saw it live, I was like, ooh, that was pretty risky right there. And, you know, I think that anything that's on the line, you're probably going to get the benefit of it out as a championship. Put a damn cone on the box right there. On the line, if you hit it, you're done.

You hit it. You're coming down pit road. It's not that hard. They do that at Millbridge. They stay above the cone. They are severely accurate with that commitment box. I can tell you that. You know what I mean?

You even touch that thing with the wrong tire. Done. All right. Another one here. One race decides all three national series champions. This has been a hot topic for quite some time. TJ. Oh, yeah.

I don't mean that. Obviously, we talked about the best. the best race the weekend was exfini cars, but the other two just weren't, I don't know, they didn't have that last corner deal that we look for and, you know, they got spread out a little bit. I don't know. This is, it is kind of what we want.

I think that's the reason we have this playoff system is to get down to the last race to make it exciting. And, you know, going on the weekend, it was exciting. And the races were still up and down, man. Okay, at one point in the cup race, you know, Chase Elliott was going to win by a mile. At the next point, Martin Truax is going to win by a mile. And then it swapped all the drivers.

So I think you're just kind of waiting for that one moment for somebody to step up. Like Larson's Pitt deal, they stepped up and got it. But, I mean, I'm okay with the one race. You know, I wrote down spot e. It's just like I don't love it. I don't hate it. You know, traditionally, I think we should just run season long. points.

You know, I don't, obviously, but this is, this is manufactured game seven moment. This is what they want. So I know you're never going to get back to that. I know Brett's got ideas. I'll let him get to. The one thing that I wish that they would do in this final race, eliminate the stages, at least. I know guys are racing for points. I know guys are racing for fifth, but they can, they can still race for fifth without stages.

You know, I think that. I'd have been fine with that. You know, I think that you see. You can see the race play out better if we don't have manufactured cautions. These guys will have to put more effort into thinking about how they want to lay their race out if they don't know that a caution is coming every 80 or 100 laps. And then at the same time, if you have a, you know, say more spread out race, the longer the run goes, say you have 150 lap run, whatever, you're going to see Green Flag Pit stops.

If you do have a caution, there's going to be more lap cars. between the leader and the second place guy to where the leader doesn't have to have the smoking hot pit stop to beat everybody up off, you know, a pit road there. So I just think that I wish that they would just eliminate the stages. These guys aren't racing for points. It's ridiculous when the stage breaks over and they flash the points on the screen and the top four guys are blocked out. And then the fourth place guy gets whatever, six or seven points. You know, I just wish that if we're going to steep this one race deal, let's just have a natural race, play it out. Let it.

No stage breaks, no manufactured cautions. Just let them race. I love our playoff format. I really do. I hate a one-race championship because it came down to a piece of debris off of David Starr's car that won Kyle Larson the championship. Now, was he the deserving champion? Hell yeah. A guy won 10 races this year.

Nine going into that, an all-star race, and everything else, he sat in for a car. But if all the other phases of the playoff are three races, why is this one race? Well, that's because it's what NBC wanted. But the reality is we're going to go back to Phoenix again next year and get it. what it's going to produce. The same style of race that we just saw this past weekend. The Xfinity Series is going to be a kick-ass race. The truck race is going to be a wreck fest.

And the cup race is going to play out exactly like it did this year, especially if you leave it all the same. So I would be a fan of having a three-race final round. Give me a short track, give me a road course, and give me an oval. Typical oval. That way, it's diverse. Everybody's got a chance to show their hand. Because if we take this thing, Hannah, to a road course,

we're going to see Chase Elliott, AJ Amadinger with huge advantages in their series, right? If we take it to every track, there's going to be a driver that's the best at that track. So I just, I cannot, it frustrated me all week to know

that everything we do all year is going to come down to a piece of debris off David Starr's freaking car. So Hickory Motor Speedway just implemented playoffs into their regular season, so they're going to run a NASCAR-esque playoffs for the short track.

But if I read the press released correctly, they're not doing a single race championship. They're doing it like you said. They're going to do three races for the playoff for like the champion. So basically you have to qualify in through these rounds and run so many. And then there's three races that will decide a champion. So it's like the best of three races essentially. Maybe this is why we're going to a single lug nut tire. They don't want to go back next year and the pick crew be the deciding factor on who wins a championship in the cup series. Because it hands down came down to that yesterday. Yeah, Freddie said all the things. It came down, a pit stall won, a really fast pit stop. They hit four lug nuts. They were

the first off pit road. And guess what? You're not going to catch that guy. No. I mean, you know, we talked about it on here, I don't know, a month or so ago. This is what kind of makes our sport what it is where the whole, like you're watching that play out. There's what, 20, 30 to go. And it looks like the 19 and the 11, certainly a Gibbs car is going to win the championship. They had the long run speed better than the Hendrick cars. They got out front, kind of negated the your car short run speed and those two were driving away and then all just like that like you said earlier brett larston's running forth no shot of the championship at this point and then here he is next thing you know he's leading to race and driving away with the championship i mean if you look at what

del earnhardt said about racing um your third loser is who won the championship in the truck series ben roads finished fourth he didn't win the race like these other series did i mean so this game seven moment that you're looking for i think you can still have it i mean look at how how how close all of our cutoff races are for every single round. I don't think three races or two races changes that. I just hate to see it all come down to one freaking race. Like it's just, there's too many variables. There's 36 other idiots out there that can change the race. And I don't know, man. I've slept on it. And again, I love our playoff. When we went to this playoff, and I think it was like, oh three is the first year we did the chase. 04. I was like, man, this is going to really

hurt sponsorship because we're going to take 10 teams. That's what it originally was. We're going to elevate them into their own points bracket and we're going to ignore all these other sponsors. And that's kind of what happened. So then they said, okay, well, let's go to 12. Okay, let's go to 16. I personally think 16 at a cup series is way too many. But I think we do that because we're looking to make those sponsors maintain relevance throughout the playoffs. We've got about 25 to 27 cars that I would say are funded enough to go out and compete for these playoffs. Fair? So I don't know that it needs to come down to one race.

It just in my mind, it drove me crazy all week. And when I watched the Cup race, you know, I was there for some of the day. In the very end, I was like, man, last five laps, what's the point? You're not going to pass him. You're not going to catch him. And it all came down to one pit stop. I also think the Cup series, there's more separation in the cars as well from the other series as well. You know, when you get to the Xfini series, I mean, that could go either,

what there's many they're all pretty close in my opinion um they're they're a lot closer but you know if you go to a mile and a half daniel hemrick just told you they're more fun to drive they're they're more fun to drive you got to wheel it he he just said they're wide open well once you're wide open fast cars go fast that's what that's why like i don't think the cup race when you when you pick a track out for the championship you automatically can just pick the car numbers that are going to be fast rather than just the drivers we're not looking at drivers anymore it used to be when you went to a Dover, you knew that Carl Edwards, Kyle Bush,

Jimmy Johnson, were going to be sideways off of Turn 4 because we could see it every single lap there. And we knew they were going to be fast because they were going to be wheeling it. You know, we went to these certain... When we go to a road course, who was always fast? The road course ringer. Yeah.

You know, Marcus Ambrose, Robbie Gordon, guys like that. You went to a short track. You went to Martinsville. You know, who was fast? The short track guys. But now it's like you could almost interchange the drivers and just put them in different cars,

and that's the car that's going to go fast in the Cup series. Just from what I see. So that kind of leads us to the next one here. Of course, you talked about how Kyle rightfully, you know, won the championship, winning 10 races and pretty much everything. So Tony Stewart calls Kyle Larson the best race car driver I have ever seen. Freddie. I mean, when the best race car driver that I have ever seen says another guy is the best he's ever seen,

I mean, you know, Tony Stewart, I've said for years, I think Brett has also been saying it for a long time, like, you look at Tony Stewart as one of the first guys I remember coming across all these different disciplines of racing and being ultra successful at all of them. You know, this guy was an IndyCar champion, I assume, back in the day. And then you look at that compared to a guy like Jimmy Johnson, who is probably one of the best NASCAR drivers in the history of the sport. Look at how he struggles in an Indy car. And Stewart went out there and won a championship and won. You know, so in my opinion, Tony was probably one of the best ever, and Larson's giving him a hell of a run for his money. I mean, you look at this guy's season. You're talking 29 wins and 87 starts this year. He won the Chili Bowl.

He won the Kings Royal. He won the Knoxville Nationals. He won the BC 39. He won a $50,000 to win third late model race, World Outlaw races, world outlaw late model races. Across the board, the guy is simply ridiculous, honestly. I'll spot off for Tony's comments because I've said for all year, this guy's the best driver in the world right now.

If you take and put him in anything across any series in the world, he's going to win more than anybody else is going to win. And I mean, the stats have just heard prove that. So I don't know how you, the Kyle Larson era is here. We're in the middle of it. He was already this good, but he wasn't this motivated and he wasn't in the fastest car. And now, oh, look out, because I'm telling you, if you thought you got tired of Jimmy Johnson winning and winning championships, this probably is a good thing.

we got one race championships because if not he might went 10 in a row. Yeah, you know, spot on Tony's, I don't know how you can, you look at this guy's record. How do you, like Frater said, you win all these races. And I'm not talking easy races here. It's not like he's going cherry picking

against week heels. These guys, I mean, I get on the TV and I watch him run this dirt late model when he's winning a dirt in his first time. You know, you don't just do that stuff. You don't win the King's Royal. You don't win Knoxville Nationals. You don't just randomly show up and win these races without being, and he did it. And some of these are cars that are just, you know, some of them are average cars too. Like, he shows up. I don't know about average cars.

Well, I mean, good cars, but not like, they're all pretty good. But still, these guys, it's for this guy to show up when he doesn't run them all year to show up and do what he does. I mean, he's the type of guy that I want to see getting a Formula One car. Yeah. You know, he's a guy that, whatever he gets in is going to go fast. Yeah, 100%. And he's just that tight, man. It doesn't matter. So, you know, I think he are, 10 wins. That's a, you know, this was his season. And I got bad news. We'll see if he can get used to this next package as well as fast as he got used to the last one.

Yeah, I got to. I wasn't going to go there. I was going to wait for one of you guys to go there. We'll see how good he starts out of this next one. We'll see how this next package works out for. Yeah. All right. Speaking of next package this past weekend, we said so long to the Gen 6 car as it ran its final race.

And Denny Hamlin's crew chief, Chris Gabehart said, this sport was built on artistry in these cars or works of art to a large degree that is now dying. Brett. This makes me so sad. I mean, I've known guys my whole life that have built race cars from the ground up. And that's what we've done in the Cup series. That's what people do in their garages, you know, and it's hard to, it's hard to read that.

But, I mean, Chris Gaphardt is 100% spot on. Chris Gaphardt is a very smart dude. He and I text a lot back and forth. on a lot of different issues in the garage. And it hurts my heart. You know, it hurts my heart to see the horsepower go down as low as it's going in the Cup Series next year. To start with, I hope eventually it gets to go up.

I've said that before on the show. I'm actually okay with it starting low because of a couple different factors. But when you watch these guys handcraft built these bodies and manufacture these parts, I mean, look, all the big cup shops have CNC machines in them where they can make their own parts. they don't really need that anymore. Everything now is going to come from third-party vendors, and oh, it hurts my heart.

This bothers me. Yeah, I mean, spot on for Gabe Hart's comments. You know, this sport was built on, you know, back in whatever, 1940s, you know, build the baddest piece you got and bring it to the racetrack and try to kick everybody's ass. And then obviously, as that went on and guys got a little out of hand with that, there was rules put in place. And then the sport became, who's going to build these trick,

pieces and stuff to get around these rules and play in the gray areas. And then, you know, everybody kind of, you know, would see what everybody else is doing, build the same thing, and then made you elevate your gain to build different trick pieces. And it's just unfortunate because a lot of the guys that that built these trick pieces the last few years here, they're out of work today. A lot of them, you know, a lot of fabricators, a lot of guys that, you know, Monday, come Monday after that last race, they don't have a job anymore. You know, these cars are now essentially kit cars.

Now, now don't get it twisted. They will be cheating somehow, some way. It's not going away. It's not going to go away. They're going to figure out a way to play in the gray areas and bend the rules and try to get an advantage. But the windows now are a lot smaller considering you're not building the pieces anymore. Does that mean you're not getting in? No, probably not.

Yeah, I'm spot on too for the comments because you look back in the day. One picture that always stands out to me is whenever we used to roll off on the pit road at the brickyard, that photographer was standing above the garage area and take that picture down on the car and how twisted the bodies were. That's by design, by hands in the shop. That's not some machine making that. That's a guy working that metal and making it to how they want, man. And he's right.

That's a work of art. You look at that car behind Brett right here. There's things on that. I mean, that's a guy on an English wheel making things, you know, working the body, working the material where he wants and stuff. It's not just to, you know, get that fender. put it on there and you know here we go um but he's right and i do miss the days i do miss that at that time when you roll off the truck and man the left front headlight be real big and flat right or opposite

you know what i mean right front be man that was um that was art he's right i'm just glad he said it you know what i mean because he's a technical guy saying it and and i'm obviously not a technical guy and and i just appreciate him being honest with it because it hey who that's a big change big change Hannah. All right. NASCAR President Steve Phelps says the fan council shows those against the

550 horsepower error package are a vocal minority, and the data suggests that we have better racing right now than we've arguably ever had. I'm glad he said arguably. Oh, TJ can't comment on this. He works for NASCAR.

Yeah, somebody actually thought I did, but I don't. Someone thought you worked for NASCAR? Someone did say... We made a joke on here. Well, I said something. I said, hey, it's almost... I want to defend Steve Phelps on this, okay?

He said that it's a vocal minority that are against this horsepower package. And I'm not going to tell you that he's right or wrong. He may be 100% right. And if he is, it's because that percentage of the NASCAR fan base actually knows what horsepower does to racing. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, I have yet, I interact with a lot of people at the racetrack on social media, a lot of fans. I mean, not just, you know, garage industry people, but I have yet to find one that just is like, I love the 550 package. I love it. You know, it's great. It's usually the exact opposite.

You know, you see these fan council surveys that they send out and they are ridiculous. Let's, you know, let's call space. Who words them, yeah. Yeah. They're worded to get to the, you know, they're leading you to the answer that they want. You know, and it's, you know, you see questions like, do you want to see a driver win by a little or a lot? Well, what is the answer? Two laps, for sure, a lot.

You know, like. A little, duh. I mean, everybody's going to say a little, so then they go, oh, everybody wants to see a little, so we got to keep the cars packed up more. No. No, you know, I think if you surveyed legit, fat, but we see it on both sides because you see the gluck pole. luck pole's always swayed to the 750 package if you run a 750 package it's going to be 80% or higher every time it's not just a 750 though it's the downforce well it's who wins oh that's who yeah if popular driver wins but still that's a great package that's 75 okay okay you say that right but let's go back homestead two years ago

homestead television ratings two years ago where half a million viewers higher than phoenix the last two years so if you're telling me a small local minority you know doesn't like this package Well, I don't know. I mean, Phoenix puts on a better, does Phoenix put on a better racing homestead? Not a chance. No. No. So, I don't, man, I don't know.

I still think. I still think, though, when this car rolls out at the L.A. Coliseum, you know, or wherever we're taking this thing, the big tracks first, I guess. I'm not opposed to a 550 horsepower package because of what Ryan Newman said, right? Because what other people have said about this car, we need to make sure it's safe before we go jacking the horsepower. up the $750,800. But the problem is the OEMs want a low horsepower package. That's what they sell in a showroom.

I am okay with rolling a new car out at the 5th. Because we don't know how it's going to drive anyway. Maybe it'll be better. Maybe who knows though? We don't know. We don't know. So I'm okay with rolling it out. But just like you said right now, though, to me, man, I just wish we could put the

Xfini cars with the cup guys with the cup guys. I mean, I want to see him drive it with the right rear. You know what I mean? have to wheel the thing. So I don't know. We'll just segue that right now because the next one is Ryan Newman says he still hasn't seen next car or next gen car data. And I don't feel it's safe. Here's my problem with this whole scenario.

Okay. Ryan Newman is an intelligent guy. Ryan Newman had a death-defying crash in which a car hit him in the head and he still lived. Ryan Newman is an engineer. Ryan Newman is a very intelligent guy that knows a lot about safety and has spent a lot of time even pioneering some safety things that are in the car now in the roll cage area in the greenhouse area. Here's my problem with this whole situation, though.

The drivers are misrepresented in our sport. If you look at any other sport, the player is going to have someone that has a huge voice to represent the players. And in our sport, because of the way it's, organized and it's always been organized this way and there have been drivers that I have known personally, even friends of mine that I have known personally, that have tried to get some sort of consolidated effort for the drivers. I mean, remember if you go back a few years ago, they had the Drivers Council and it was literally guys sitting in a motorhome coming up with ideas.

Well, then Kislauski doesn't get along with Denny and Denny doesn't get along with Harvick and all of a sudden that thing falls apart, right? So when I look at this and I see Ryan Newman speaking on this who is at the end of his career, right? Is he going to ever race a cup car again? I don't know, but he certainly is at the end of his career. Ryan Newman is a guy that I could see helping the drivers have a voice down the road as it pertains to things like safety. Because when we see, remember F1 came to America. They came to Indianapolis Motor Speedway. They took the green and they all pitted. They said, we're not running on this tire. We don't like this tire. It's too dangerous. We saw cart go to Texas Motor Speedway. They were pulling too many Gs. Driver

were passing out. They ran the race. Like, we don't have the ability of NASCAR for these drivers to have a voice for their safety. Give me Dale Jr., give me Ryan Newman, and give me one more guy. Freddie, you can pick the third guy. But we got to have, these guys got to have a voice. That's what I have a struggle with. Are these cars safe? I don't know.

I've not been in the crash. I know somebody who has. He said it was a hard hit, and he was only running 110 miles an hour. Yeah, I mean, it's, like you said, it's good to heaven to have a little voice here. They finally, I mean, I know a lot of drivers that you talk to or a lot of, you know, the meetings that you sit in, there's, drivers have concerns. And if they're still concerned, that means that they're not getting the answers that they're looking for, you know. And, you know, if, why would Ryan Newman not see the crash data? You know, I've heard some, you know, some of the teams say they saw some of the crash data.

A lot of it came back to some, to maybe the way the headrest, you know, the seats were out of the car, how high the headrest were, that that was maybe what was. maybe what was injuring some of the dummies or something. But, you know, you still go back to, like, if this car, in my opinion, if this car is one percent less safe than the car we have right now, that's just simply unacceptable, T.J. Yeah, I don't, I mean, I don't know any hard info on the new car, but if I'm a driver, I'd have concern too. I mean, I would. So until we get the season going and, you know, some things happen and, you know, we get

some some info on some things you know and who knows maybe it'll be better i mean we don't know i mean i'm just you know i don't know a driver that hasn't wrecked that said it wasn't a hard hit you know they're all hard you're going fast so um you know i'm i'm hoping that it's better because we've made you know we've made light years improvements in all our safety stuff i mean it goes back to two things dale earnhart 2001 at nascar they have made this ridiculous they have made this as safe as it possibly can be. And I think going into that race, like, we didn't hear a whole lot of concerns. Like, I mean, nobody wore a Hans device. Nobody wore a Hutch's device. Nobody had ever heard of a safer barrier. And all of a sudden, it's like, Dale Earnhardt died.

What are we going to do now? Because we can't lose another Dale Earnhardt. And so then we went through and made all these safety advances. So, and thank goodness for that. Because without the Hans device and without the helmets that these guys are wearing now and without the safer barriers, we would have lost more guys, hands down. But going into this new car, we literally would be even more worried about it. And because of those safety advances, they are protected. You know, it just comes down to what does this car do? And it's intended to crash kind of like an indie car.

It's intended to crash and the energy go all the different places and us be able to bolt on all the different parts and pieces and go race that car again. And that's just different for us because everything that we've ever built is assembled piece by piece by piece. You know, and so it's just going to be different. But let's hope that they're safe. I know that NASCAR is doing their due deal.

I know that obviously they've even made changes on the fly at these tests. They're doing everything they can to make them safe. But to me, my biggest problem, and I go back to this hand and I'll shut up, the drivers deserve a seat at the table. A big seat. All right, last one here for spot on, spot off. NASCAR Twitter went wild over this one. Matt DeBenedetto's future after his final race with the Wood Brothers,

his tweet about Kyle Bush's sensitivity training, and then recording a Let's Go Brandon video at his car before qualifying. Jason, you have the tweets. Dependito tweet last week, then deleted this tweet in his account. I feel like living on planet Earth in 2021 is permanent sensitivity training. Brett, spot on, spot off. Man, Matt Dibandetto has just kept digging a hole. You know, he's even now alienating his fan base, and he had a large fan base for a guy

that's never won a race. I have to be spot off for whoever or whatever this guy is thinking. I mean, why would you think that saying let's go brand, And first of all, it's his constitutional right to be able to speak against the government. Okay, people, I get that. But it is also his employer's right to fire his dumb ass for saying something that they don't personally agree with or something that it could offend their sponsors or their fan base or whatever else.

So we talked about it on here when Lescoe Brandon started, and this has nothing to do with Brandon Brown. I mean, let's be honest, right? When this thing started, I said on the show, I'm spot off for it because I'm anti-politics in my sports. I was no different when Kaepernick was taking a knee in the middle of the national anthem. Didn't agree with it, right? So this guy has gone from, he literally MFed Penske, his crew chief, his team on his way out. This was 10 weeks ago when they said, hey, you're fired again, by the way.

And then here he is making this. Did he think this video was going to be cute and that it was going to get him like a brand new ride? Because he keeps digging himself further and further and further from good rides, Freddie. Yeah, I mean, this was, this ended up on my list of what, idiot contenders for the week. I don't know that anyone's handled free agency worse than this guy has. You know, you're looking for a ride. You announced 10 weeks ago that you're going to be out or whoever announced it.

He's going to be out of that car. So now your job is to, you know, do whatever you can to find a job for next year. And I don't know that you could have handled it much worse by going out and bashing your team, you know, and then the stuff that's happened the last couple weeks, the thing that really gets me is, and I've said this multiple times across different. social media platforms, you know, say what you mean and mean what you say. When he did that, he was laughing. He thought that video was great right up until he saw the reaction he got on Twitter. And then we get a sob story about how he didn't mean it. And, you know, there was a lot of guilt

on him for that. God gave him guilt. You know. God should have told him not to say it. You know, and listen, you know, the rumors in the garage where he nearly got pulled out of that car after that, you know, Saturday night and it Sunday morning. And it was not a NASCAR move to pull him out. No, no. You know, and I think the only reason he didn't get pulled out was because they didn't want to get any more attention to it. You know, so I just can't stand these people that go out there and say something, you know, that they shouldn't say.

You know, Kyle Bush, you know, a couple weeks ago said what he said. You know, there's guys that they say this stuff. Yeah, but they just come right out and apologize for it. You know, oh, sorry. Now that I see the negative reaction to it, I'm really sorry that I said that. Yeah, but you weren't. If everybody laughed and joked with you about the stuff. Let's Go Brandon thing, you would have thought it was the greatest thing in the world.

He had the hand signal. He had a smile on his face. He did not look like he was carrying a lot of guilt to me. He was playing to the crowd of whatever, whoever that guy was that tweeted that video. He was playing to that audience. He was playing to that audience when he walked across the stage for driver intros with an American flag on Sunday. So this is a day after the Let's Go Brandon. He's still kind of doubling down on it. You know, he comes out and says that he wants to be the first openly Christian pro-American driver in NASCAR. I think that's almost all. all of it. Yeah, I don't know who, I don't know who, if anybody... I didn't know we had a lot of anti-God anti-Americans out there.

I don't know. It's just, I don't know. What a niche you've got, Maddie D. It's just like he's trying to build a fake persona that is now backfiring on him. Maybe it's not fake. So as to the devil's advocate that, I feel like he's self-destructing to create an excuse of when he doesn't get hired next year, he can go, well, this is why. He's got a long list he's giving himself to it. It's self-destruction. And you look at what, you know, news broke yesterday about Anthony Alfredo.

losing the ride in the 38 car. And I would think that Matt would be a good fit there. You know what I mean? This is a guy that's been in that position with the 95, you know, the 32 car. And he kind of maximizes, you know, what you get out of this equipment. But if I'm front row motorsports, I'm not touching this guy now. Like, I don't know. Like, are you talking your, you're literally probably talking your way out of rides.

Yeah, I'm a spot off. That's, I don't think that's doing much good. you guys pretty much covered everything else with it. You're marketing yourself by what you do on the track. You're marketing yourself by what you say off the track. You're marketing yourself by how you carry yourself. All the things are looking bad right now for Maddie D. And like you said, we talk about it that when we kind of gave Matt Hill about when he lost his ride and he was crying about it.

And we got blasted by numerous Matt De Benedetto fans. I'm talking about everywhere. They were coming out of the woodworks. Now I see them saying people like, man, I'm not with this guy no more. That whole Twitter thread is I'm no longer I'm out of the defense. Yeah. Well, you guys were b-bripping at me because I was borgant about him. You can't see them.

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To who I am. Like hell, I'm going to take an out. If you make it out of life, say by the bell, ain't afraid of no man won't stand down to two I am now. I'm the champ. What is up? I'm the champ. All right. Well, hot off his first career.

win picked a hell of a time to pull that off, Mr. Hemrick. Daniel Hemrick joins us. What's up, buddy? Oh, man, I'm still trying to get a little bit of this fogginess out of my head from the last couple of days, but I'm good, man. What up? I figured it was better off today than yesterday. I've seen some pictures from the night, Monday night, maybe, that you would have been a little bit under the weather yesterday. Yeah. Anytime your day revolves around a Waffle House trip at about 1 p.m., that's usually not the size of a great day before.

Or a really good day. I was going to say, I disagree. That is a great day. Most of the time it's like 2 or 3 a.m. that night. That's usually a better time. I know. I'm probably none of us for traveling anywhere. Uber.

Uber eats or Freddie eats, one of the other. Oh, man. It's just, I mean, I don't even know where to start. I can't imagine the range of emotions you've been through over the last couple weeks. I know you had to answer a lot of questions after Martinsville. and you answered them properly about putting yourself in the position of what you needed to accomplish on Saturday night, and you got it done, man. Just talk about that race and the closing laps. Yeah, I appreciate it, man.

That whole decision-making process at Martinsville to give herself the opportunity to even have a chance of Phoenix, right? There was so much that went into that, something that I didn't necessarily lose sleepover, but I knew at some point it would bother me having to make decisions like I did in Martinsville to give us that shot. but I promise you the way it turned out post Phoenix I will lose zero sleep over those decisions now but yeah man that race was just first off even starting the weekend

right our hauler breaking down having to get you know somebody else to pick it up on the side of the road in Texas haul of the racetrack it rolls through the tunnel 20 minutes before practice starts and then for it all to go the way it did like you cannot script that right and

you know the cool part about it was nobody wavered I mean legitimately Dave Rogers like, hey, if it gets here, starting this for practice, this is what we're going to do. If it don't make it at all, this is what we're going to do and a plan for everything in between. And as a lapse wound down, I'm sure everybody listening to heard him,

you know, preaching, attack, be on offense, playing with house money. All those words got used. But he was right, right? I mean, from the way it all shaken out over the course of my career and my life and really our season, we were counted out well before that last green-white checkered, yet we were still standing there with a shot,

as good as anybody. And that's all the motivation I needed. That's all the motivation I needed when we got the last Greenwich Checker, man, was to just keep the 22 in sight. And, yeah, I've told everybody since. It kind of felt like he just blocked out in the middle of those last three laps and it was only instincts and things that you hope for and hope you're going to make the right decisions in those moments

and to now look back at it. I still haven't really got to go relive it and watch it. But I'm looking forward to that in the days ahead because, man, you can see my disbelief in all the interviews. I'm sure I'm just sitting there shaking my head, like, what do we just do? And I think what we just did together will sink in down the road, but just so proud of everybody, man. It's nuts.

Congratulations, Daniel. It's about time. I've been waiting on this moment for a long time. I've watched you give a lot of freaking races away. I've watched you lose them on crazy stuff happening. And I'm literally watching this thing live. And I have to say, I've got to pay you a huge compliment here. That was a Dale Earnhardt-esque move at the end of the real.

race the way you moved him. You didn't go in there and bang him and knock him out of the way and wreck him. Like you literally got on his left rear, pushed him up a little bit, and it was freaking awesome to watch. I'm glad to put on a show because you know how it is, right? You drive in there in that moment. I'm glad he missed the corner probably two or three feet, you know, up, which I say missed the corner. He drove in, though, when it was coming. He did, yeah. By him to go inside, right? They put my right from the fender right where it need to be in his left rear, you know, as I was turning left. But it's funny you may think about it, man. I got a phone call from Alston Dill in the next morning.

He's like, I don't know how in the hell you did it the way you did it. He said, because if I was in your situation, we'd probably both been upside down backwards and all fire. Drops on that, but I appreciate it. Yeah, I mean, when I saw, I feel bad for the other, whatever, 35 guys that were in the race because they had no spotter from the center of three and four to the start finish line because the entire spotter stand was staring at the two leaders, I think.

I mean, I was doing my best to have one eye on Jeb, one eye on you, but it was not working very well. And then, I mean, you talk about when I seen that news on Saturday morning, Friday morning that the hauler was broke down. And I'm like, this only happens to Hemrick. Like this situation, the guy's raised for a championship. Oh, yeah, now I got no car. That's awesome. But, yeah, I mean, I don't know. I mean, I felt like that was, you know, knowing Daniel's background, legend car racing, late model racing.

know, you've got, you've moved some guys out of the way, I'm sure. And that was, I mean, that was textbook. When I've seen him kind of opened that left rear quarter panel up a little bit, I was like, oh boy, that was a mistake. But I mean, just talk about, you know, I mean, what's the world when been like since Saturday, man? I mean, I'm sure you've been running wide open talking to people. Who's the, you know, talk about some of the people that reached out. I know family, friends, people have been with you for a long time. Yeah, I mean, there's a ton of people. I mean, obviously, it's no secret, right? What I'm doing next year, we're not going to race and I have tried to do everything I can not to take any focus off of what we've done here together with Joe Good Racing,

but, you know, one of the first individuals I've seen before I can make it to the stage, driving a car to the stage was Matt College. That was cool, right, to see your future boss and him see what you just did and know you're coming there. That was pretty cool. And then, you know, just get to the stage and pulling into victory lane and see my wife and my little girl, you know, McKinsey has told me since. They're like, hey, be careful, get away from the car just in case. She's like, hell with that, I'm getting in there.

And she jumped in the window, and that was cool. We gave me a kiss right there in Victory Lane. And then, you know, as a celebration started, right, having respect from your peers, having my buddy Bubba there, having Blaney, Christopher Bell, a host of people. Heck, Jeff Gordon was the first one at the bar there off of turn four to help me with this championship ring, give a toast to the fans. I think one of the coolest stories. And I like to think Bubba can back me up on this was, heck, he's. He said MJ and him had a bet before the race, and the MJ did not take me and that Bubba did.

I think the story goes, MJ had to hand over a couple of Benjamins to Bubba after the show we put on. So that's pretty neat. Yeah, just obviously, right? I mean, ton of people support you or have supported me throughout my career. And, you know, from Johnny Morris reaching out to having my pass balls and RC, you know, reach out. And then just the people that were here well before,

people that, you know, their names are not known throughout the racing industry as much as they are here at Top Three Series. And heck, I had my, he's pretty much like a second dad to me, Hoyt Deemis was there. He was one of the first guys that hugged me there in Victory Lane. My dad was there. And anybody that wasn't, I promise you they've been at my house at some point. It would last 72 hours to have a celebratory sip of bourbon. And that's what's all about is making, making those memories and having all of us living. that moment. I even got a little bit of slack. Like, man, why are you partying on a

on a Monday and Tuesday? I said, well, hell, we have today, right? That's it. It's all we got. So what we just did this past weekend. Let's enjoy it while we know we have the time. So my question for you is you've been waiting a long time to be able to do that backflip. Did you practice it going into the weekend? Because I can tell you, I haven't tried to do a backflip in years, and I don't think I would have landed it. And your execution was perfect. Yeah, I told somebody else that have all the things you worry about going to that weekend, that was not one of them. I don't know why, for whatever reason,

I've always felt pretty solid when it comes to doing the backflip. You know, as much as wild as it seems, I've actually done a couple hundred of them, right, throughout sport tracks all over the country. And now it's been a couple years. I wasn't so sure if I was sore on Sunday morning from doing the backflip or the partying, but whatever was from, it was a great sword to feel, I can promise to that.

That's awesome. You mentioned Matt Collegg. I was up at the race shop last week, going into the championship week, talking to AJ Amundinger about you coming on board, and he is excited because you bring a lot of knowledge about various organizations, how those cars drive and obviously being able to help colleague. I was listening to Download yesterday, and your buddy Matthew Dillner, he was defending you,

but Dale Jr. predicted a frustrating year for you next year. Like, what do you respond with that? Because that kind of pissed me off. I ain't going to lie to you, Danny, when I heard that. I bet it is. You got some skin in the game, too, right? Yes. So, yeah, I look forward to hopefully proving them wrong, right?

We did a lot of that this past weekend, a lot of people. So I'm okay with that, man. It was, yeah, I mean, I'm fired up to be teammates with AJ. I think as a competitor, he's as tough as it gets. And he's, you know, heck, what's he got to lose, right? You hear him talk about all the time. And I'm excited to see us kind of push each other and may play a little bit of golf together along the way. But, you know, as far as driving other cars and being in other organizations, you know,

no different than himself, right? We both have seen a lot, driven a lot of different stuff. end of the day, all we can do is try to take and mold the program there at Colley to, you know, around us and the people around us to try to keep building the success moving forward, right? And there's no hidden, it's no hidden secret. That's why I'm coming over there is to try to be a part of that building process for not only one year, two years, but long way down the road. And my colleagues made that commitment, and Chris Rice had made that commitment, not only

to myself, but all the men and women up there. That's our goal is to keep building this thing forward. and just pumped to know I have a home next year, pumped to know that we went out in style with JGR like we did. Yeah, let's get back on here. What is it? There's a guy named Tyler Reddick that won at Junior Motorsports, and then he left to go to RCR,

and he won back-to-back titles at two different organizations. I can see you doing that, but I've got to say congratulations, because I've never known anybody in racing their first win to get two trophies in a ring. Congratulations. That's a big deal. I just have to say I apologize to you because you're on this ultimate highest of highs right now.

You're coming off first win, first championship, and then the next thing you're going to hear on the radio is Brett. So I have to apologize for that. You know, it's going to be a real kick in the balls when you get to Daytona, and then you've got to hear listening to this guy, you know, yell at you for however many hours. But, man, congratulations. I can't tell you how proud I am. You've been friends a while, and, man, just awesome. We were all pulling for you, I think.

I picked you on here as my champion. So I think we talked about on here, man. There's a lot of guys pulling for you and a lot of guys happy to see you finally cash in. Yeah, Frated, man, I appreciate that, man. It's been, what a ride. What a journey. This is what it's still on.

I think it's been great watching you grow throughout the years. And, you know, from here to there and, you know, become a champion. You've came from, you've had pretty much the ultimate path of coming up from the short track, you know, from the short track people like, you know, you were Legends cars, super late models.

I remember Matt Weaver, you know, you want a ton of super late model races and stuff. So it's been really great to watch you grow. And that was finish of the weekend. You know, that's what I wanted to see the championship races come down to is two guys going forward in the end and side by side across the line. And I don't think you can script a better finish. And I hate to say it, Daniel, but once again, the Xfinity series outperformed all the other series. I mean, that was the best race of the weekend for me. The first two stages were kind of chill.

the last stage 100 plus laps to go. I think it was 102. It was insane, man. From the minute we started stage three until you move, Cendrick for the win. Those cars just look so fun to drive. Dude, they are so much fun to drive. Out of having a chance to go cup racing in 19,

get to the top level. Next thing you know, you're wide opening where you go just about. I was disappointed in that. And you go back to Xfinity series, it'll get your attention. When you drive these Xfinity cars again with a lack of downforce and power

and high force power, It was so much fun. I mean, that's what was cool the other night. Like, my short run speed was no good. Like, I was not good for, like, I say not good. We're a top three or four car short run, but a top, you know, a first or second place car, but it's because if it's not taken off, what do you do, right? You manage wheels slip.

You slow down, you slow down how much you're hurting, you know, all four corners of the car. And that pays off. And some of the other stuff, you know, it doesn't quite translate like that. So that's cool to be able to, you know, It's cool to be able to manage that stuff inside the race car. Use all that short track stuff growing up. That's all you want, right? You just want to be in your hands in some form or fashion.

And I appreciate it. I take pride and drive me to Xenity cars. They are a blast drive. You got all winter to party. All winter to celebrate. Congratulations. I don't know if I can handle it. It's anything like the last two days, but we'll give it a good.

Mark Trex pulled it off pretty well a few years ago. I think you can do it. You'll be all right. I've seen you do it. Enjoy it. Enjoy it, man. Congratulations. I appreciate.

Hey, with y'all's guidance, I'm sure I'll be just fine. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I'll see him Freddy's garage. See it. I mean, I don't know how you go out in style more on a season than for your first win to be a freaking championship race. I mean, that's the stuff movies are made out of them. I agree. The hauler breaks down.

The guy's never won a race before. He's got this opportunity coming to the checker flag to move the guy out of the way. Like you said, does it the right way, doesn't just wreck the guy like he usually could have. and beats him to the drag races to the line and out beats him by a half of car for his first win, championship, I mean, unbelievable. I was in a suite with all the Neutral Solutions folks,

and I'm telling you, they were going crazy. I was actually screaming at the top of my lungs, you got to move him, because I've seen too many times, Daniel be that nice guy. I mean, we were just talking about it on here with Justin Algar the way he raced him at Bristol a few weeks ago. It's about freaking time.

I'm so happy to see that kid win, so happy to see him win. and his wife was one hell of a race car driver, Hannah. Oh, yeah, she was a badass. Like, Kenzie was a competitor every time she showed up. So for her to be able to enjoy that moment as well, like, you know, don't get me wrong, all the significant others support that. But for her to, like, go through it and Noah's a racer, the trials and tribulations,

that was cool to see them in victory. We were cutting in between stuff for World Finals to watch the Xfinity race, and we, like, shut everything down to watch the last 10 laps of the Xfinity race, and everyone lost their minds. it was cool to see very storybook. Their daughter, Ren's probably going to be a hell of a race car driver. She's got both of them jeans in her. Well, it sounds like if he didn't blow a motor, he came close.

But big congrats to him. It's so awesome to see him win that thing. I've been a Daniel Hembrick fan. Really since I met him at Freddy's House for Super Bowl party, he won a game of left-right center, took my money, and ever since he'd been friends, so. Yeah. He's a good dude.

Daniel's been class-act the entire way. so I don't think there's you know I don't think you can ask to finish the season any better than that that's the best that's still the best race that we can it doesn't really matter who the two cars are if those two guys like you know and Daniel earned it but whoever that is

across the line though that is a hell of a finish in my opinion there's I mean there's very few guys that that finish would have looked like that yeah I agree you know I mean the other guy would have been wrecked yeah like if that's Noah making that move you know Noah is just going to all out, I think, send it, you know. And at the same time, if there's another guy other than

Cindrick in front of them, you know, it's a different look. So I don't know, but I'm sure we'll get to that. I think Austin probably tries the same maneuver. I think those two guys rachis are like that, but there's others that would just clean the guy out. But I think that's a classy finish between two experienced guys putting on a hell of a race. It's, I mean, I said Earnhard-esque move. That's how you execute the bump and run. Dude, he won the championship. That's it. And they raced for it. You know, I mean, and they raced for it. You look at the You look at all the other races on the weekend. Nobody else raced for it the way those two guys did.

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That's A-N-C-H-O-R dot FM to get started. Yo, I hear there's another champion waiting to join the show. Let's get 2021 Truck Series championship winner Ben Rhodes on here and see if he's sobered up yet by any chance. We're champions. Can you see straight yet? There's a lot more people in there than I thought. Yeah, man. Look, hey.

This morning was a little rough, but other than that, I'm good. Have the last couple mornings been a little rough? No, I really haven't had much. Okay. I don't think it took much. Ben, I'm literally only here for the shifting gears. So if every 30 seconds, if you want to do the gear shifting, you're going to make my day. I just want you to know that.

Oh, man. You know, things happen. well man but thank you for joining us one before we get to the epic post-race discussion man just take us through that race i you know i was obviously spotting tj was spotting brett was drunk somewhere if i had to a guess um but you know i'm watching the race play out and i see you know you and and zane are kind of going back and forth and i look up and i see zanes clear by about ten on you and the lap times are kind of evening out and the next thing i know i look up and you're going by him, and I'm like, man, Ben must have been doing a hell of a job,

either saving his equipment or the 21 just backed up a lot. But just take us through the end of that race a little bit. Yeah, I mean, I really, I mean, if I told you I was saving, I would be lying because I wasn't. I was doing everything I could to catch the guy. You know, it kind of started like stage two, really, because we were getting beat on short run speed, like by far. I mean, like, we had nothing to compete with short run speed. Like people were driving past us, the 18 was crazy fast on short run speed.

and I couldn't compete with that. So I told him, pump the pressures up. Let's try to get in front of them to see if we could hold them off on stage two. That didn't work. So he took them back down. And for stage three, so those two guys got past me on that stage, the initial start. And I had nothing for them. And I just thought we were, you know, we were just in bad shape, really.

So I watched everybody drive off into the sunset and here they come. They're coming back to me. And the lapar's helped me out a lot because those guys were parking it in the center of the corner. and they couldn't turn. So the dirty air was just killing them. And I knew if I could get in front of them that, you know, I would have been in pretty good shape because I feel like I was a little more racy. Like I could race around the other people and the dirty air wasn't affecting me as much.

So once they started parking it, I was like, things are looking good. Let's chase them down. And yeah, I mean, once we got in front of them, it was okay. I was a little bit worried with Sheldon, though. He got funky, I think, what I said. he was trying to be a good teammate i think if you want to call it that yeah yeah he was definitely doing something he's being so good he got called with the hauler so i don't know rich lusher's a long time and he and i were texting after your race man what's it been like working with him a lot of

experience there i know you guys got paired together kind of by luck right yeah really i mean kind of kind of by luck really i was supposed to work with uh jared prince at the start of the year we were together for a couple of weeks, and then I got switched to Rich two weeks before Daytona. And I've known Rich for a while. I mean, he's been, he's an Ohio guy. So being up here in Sandusky, you know, he's all about this team and, you know, he's been around for a while, right? So, I don't know, I guess I goofed around with him on the pit area and here at the shop for a long time. So getting to work with him was kind of like this change of communication. Now I have to to be like real. I couldn't just goof around the whole time. But it made it easy because he was a

friend. So I love working with them. I think over the years, we've seen a lot of people that were on our team growing mature. I would say myself too. Everybody's gotten better in everyone's positions. And that's kind of cool to see. And I attribute a lot of that to Rich because, you know, even though he's got like a young face and the old gray hair, he is like 50. So we got a young team So he's done a really good job being this leader. And I'll say he's got really equalities too. Like he's calm for one to me, which has been nice. And then two, he seems to build people up.

And by doing that, he kind of elevates everybody and, you know, makes them grow in their positions, which has been really cool to see because a lot of people on our team were very young and very new. So as far as your maturity level, I just want you to know, I want you to cap it off right now. want you to ever get any more mature than you already are because that post-race press conference with your boy bud was as good as i've ever seen so entertaining yeah yeah i'm glad y'all liked it so you have you gone back and actually seen it or have you seen clips of it at least so that was okay so you guys saw the stuff tie was posting uh where we were at margarita night basically on on tuesdays or margarita night and usually i i might have like half a margarita i don't

really drink i don't get out much So it doesn't take much for me to go over the edge because I have zero tolerance. I don't have much alcohol. So they wanted to play that press conference on the big screen for me and about 10 other people to watch. And I said, there's no way I'm watching. So they started pouring a bunch of margaritas for me. And I said, well, it's going to take more than just one because I'm not staying in this room. Why do you play that?

I just can't do it. So last night, I watched. it for the first time and yeah it was awesome the part of the the part of the press conference that i could 100% relate to was when you're up there doing your thing obviously maybe slightly intoxicated and you said that your wife was giving you the death stare from the side of the room i was like i've been there i know that stare i've been there multiple times between the gear shifting and him going i was pissed pissed i was like wow I'm relating to this, but mine's usually not on a press conference.

I love the mamma. There was a bad mamma jama in there somewhere. Yeah. So she gave me that death stare, and I knew I was like, man, I'm in trouble. So Rich saw the death stare, too. And he brought in like a rum and coke for her. And by the end of the day, I was no longer in trouble. Yeah.

Rich is a key guy on that. He said he's a great leader. That just goes to prove it. He's a good wingman at that moment. Yeah. He's a good wingman. Margarita night, let's be good, because July 13th, which I just looked up, was also a Tuesday night. And I get this random text from Ben that says, I've had a couple of margaritas.

I mean, I figured it was... I know you probably can't see it, but... I figured it would have said... Lovely. Nice hair. What was the caption on that? Would it say, like, thanks for quitting so I can win a championship? Probably, yeah, I was hoping to avoid that. Hoping to avoid that topic.

You guys go ahead and talk about that. Yeah. Let's talk about it. So is that a thank you for quitting? I mean, if I was you, I'd be on here thanking him, Ben. You finally, I mean, drop some dead weight and go out there and win a championship. That's kind of what I was thinking. Old TJ 2.0.

Yeah. So, yeah, you're welcome. Hey, well, congratulations. We're happy for you. But before you go, you got to give us one good gear shift thing, man. Come on. One good one. Hey man, congratulations. We're all super happy for you. Thanks for joining us here, man.

Anybody before you want to go, anybody you want to shout out or anything, your sponsor-wise people that helped you out? Yeah, absolutely. So Thor Sport, I mean, number one, giving me the opportunity to race. But we've got Mombardier in the truck. We've got farm paint. We've got Tinda. We've got Mnards. We've got Vittar and Sikar. We've got a lot of really good people. So I wish I had a billboard here to, like, read everybody off. But I've also got Wally-Ex and Bell racing helmets they've helped me a lot this year. So a lot of good people. And of course, Duke and Rhonda, I've said it before and I'll say it again. I wouldn't be racing without them right now. So I'm like super, super, super grateful for, you know, them giving me an opportunity.

Because I wouldn't be here with this big thing behind me without those people. I think you left out Anheiser-Busch, but we'll let you slide on that way. Well, I'm hoping they'll come on board. I mean, like, we've been trying. I like, I liked your marketing campaign. I mean, speaking of Duke, a lot of people don't realize this, man. He loves racing. I mean, there are a few owners in this sport, Matt Collick being one of them, there are a few owners in this sport

that truly just spend their own money to race. And Duke's one of those guys. Yeah, to me, he is a true 100% old-school NASCAR team owner. Like, he calls people up and says, I like you. I think you can drive, come race my truck. You know, and nowadays it's, you know, I like you, but how much money can you bring with you? And he doesn't, he's all about, you know, finding it out himself.

He's an old school NASCAR team where you get a driver and we'll find the sponsorship on let's go win some stuff. And I love that. And the fact, too, that he's just, he's as supportive as anybody I've met. Like a lot of the growth that I've had on the track comes from some of the stability he's given me. You know, the fact that I'm not having to be scared for my life and think I have to win every lap. Like, I know that he's okay with, as T.J's taught me. He's okay with the fifth place finish. as so long as I'm not wrecking us trucks.

J.J. didn't teach you that. Let's be honest. Hey, I mean, I'm also heard of Derek Krause me. Derek Krauss must need me. Hey, well, shout out to you, Duke. Lynn, for getting you on. David Pepper. He's been around a long time up there since day one. So I'm really, really happy for you guys, your organization, man. Good stuff.

Please win again and please drink another bud with the press conference. Yeah. Hey, you know, guys, it's not very often we get a cup guy on the show. You know, Ben made his first career Cups art this year as well. So big year for Ben Rhodes. Hey, hold on. Yeah, thanks, T.J. Did I see Rich drink a beer out of your shoe?

Did that happen in Virg, Darlane? It was about a bottle of my champagne. Yeah. I took that thing off and I filled it. I mean, I filled it up until it was coming out of the Laces. Oh, nasty. We'll have to talk to Rich about that. All right, man.

Thanks for coming on. We appreciate it. Congratulations again. And good luck next year. Yeah, thanks, guys. See you all. Appreciate it. Hey, good for Ben Rhodes.

Ben, what a fun guy. I don't know Ben Rose. I like him. Yeah, I want to drink beer with Ben and his wife. Me too. It'd be an early night. I don't know if she's going to drink. She's going to watch.

She'd stare at us all night. It's okay. I'm here for early nights now. You'd have to make other plans because I think if you start doing with Ben at nine, you'd be looking for something else to do by 10. I mean, I'm on that plan now. So I talked to Ben last night and he's like, yeah, we're doing a margarine. I'm like, yeah, you might eat a bunch of chips first.

I mean, something because I've seen. Chips in Kesa. It helps. Yeah, that's what I told him. I said, soak some of it up, you'll last longer. Cool for two of the three champs to join us today. That's awesome. Now it is time for reaction theater,

which has obviously become one of my favorite to listen to, and of course to be a part of here. If Rhodes got that drunk off of Budlop, y'all need to have him on DBC and do a fireball challenge or maybe come up with a new category of the White Claw Wussies. I like this guy. I like the fireball challenge. Fireball challenge.

We'd be slumped before the recording is over. We would kill him. Yeah, there's no way. We would kill him and everybody else in America. They're not ready for it. The problem is we trained with dog treat Dave, and all he knows is not one fireball. You've got to do like four back to back to back to back.

Dave's the only guy I know that takes the bottle, the cap off the fireball bottle and throws it in the woods. Yeah, you don't need a cap anymore. We're just going to drink the whole bottle. Nasty. Jason, you white claw drinking, candor swiping, mother effer you better pick my message i've been calling in for months now and uh freddie man you didn't click your button or what you got to put the donuts and the fireball down man

you gotta get that radio keyed in let him know hell he got out of the car i don't know if he is clapping at you or cora lojoy what i love is you can hear kids running around in the background of that i was wondering what words were going to come out yeah well jason you can never put him on again that'd be fine yep all right call number three michael it was a pretty ending for Starcom and Quinn Hough's run there to end it with Quinn heading up into the wall

and honestly it was about as an iconic of a run as it was with Petty and Inman as it was with Quinn Huff and whoever the fuck was his crew chief. That guy's funny. He thought about that. Yeah. Call number four, Sarah.

Freddie, this is Sarah Davidstein and I have been live tweeting race up updates for the 23 team the entire season. And I have heard probably everything you've said all season. But, and I've heard you say some shit. But I am so glad that I, for whatever reason, stayed on the channel after y'all were done on Sunday.

So I got to hear you say, the two guys that wrecked us just wrecked each other. So, because that, it made the whole day. It made the whole day. So thank you for always being real on the radio. That happened. I was spotting the car on its way back to the garage because the guys needed to know where it was at and as I was doing it, the 47 and 7 wrecked.

I was like, well, fuck them guys. They just wrecked each other again. Call number five is Matthew. I'm not sure what all the innuendos are with the M&Ms being flown around. But T.J., if you go work for Kyle Bush, you will truly suck. TJ, you want to tell us anything?

I'm not. When are you going to announce your plans then? It's already been out there. Where are you going? Not Kyle Bush. How about that? I like Eminams, but damn it, I'm not going to work for Kyle. Oh, boy.

So are you staying with Kislauski? Is that what that means? Yeah. Awesome. You're going to tell us who the crew chief is? They already announced it. They did? Bruce Lee.

Bruce Lee. Yeah. That's the Bruce Lee of NASCAR. Bruce Lee's a lot smaller than that guy. That dude is tall. Could you imagine him kicking you at a roundhouse? Six foot four. It never hit me.

I dug. It never hit me. It looks like you're already ducked. Yep. Exactly. Oh, boy. Call number six is from Mike. The next gen starts now.

Keselowski majors, 2022. Woo! Make Roush great again. Does he send you these before we start? Yeah, did you line that up? That was pretty good. I love that. That shit happened a couple weeks ago, too.

It did. Yeah. Call number seven is from Trevor. y'all boys better sit back and take some notes Tyler Amal went from spotting Rickware racing in 2020 being a 2021 cup champion Let's go baby Thank God for Twitter

Thank God he figured the package out huh Thank God Tyler figured that package out Yeah he's Tyler Monde probably should own stock in Twitter Yeah Hey man to get credit to Tyler Maud though he did a great job He had two guys in the in you know he had a he was spotting for Noah the second half of the year so he had two guys going for a championship this There is, you know, and I'm happy for Tyler because he went from, you know, running.

He went from the trailer park to the White House. And it's not easy to spot. Like, it's not, it's hard, man. That trailer park spotting is way worse. It's hard, man. So happy for Tyler and them. Right things, timing, timing is everything. Congrats on your new house, Tyler.

Call number eight, Hunter. Jenny Hamlin doing what his sponsor FedEx does best, not delivering on a Sunday. Good bread. Suck it, Brett. Damn. That was funny. Number nine, Jackson. Young fucking money, baby!

Let's go! Best freaking driver won the freaking championship this year. Shout out to the rest of the top four for showing up tonight, but it was Young Money's championship to lose. And he freaking delivered. Shout out to the pit crew for putting him out first. Best driver won the championship this year. Let's freaking go.

How drunk you think he is? Not so over. He's not Ben Rhodes drunk, but he's... No, he's a professional. You can tell he's done it before. Man, Freddy, I'm sorry. Yesterday must have been tough watching your boss Chahawk.

If only he could drive a car like he runs his f***ing mouth, then maybe he'd have a shot. Unfortunately for him, looks like Team Hendrick kicked his ass. Who spots for you? Well, you put the baby powder in a sore bum bum. But anyway, guys, Thanks for a fantastic season You're pretty much the only reason why I watch

Oscar anymore. Peace. I'm not sure where he choked that, but you know, it is what it is. He lost. All right, last one. Call number 11 is from Ben. I wonder if this is a drunk stumbling guy from a press conference or anything, but let's take a listen.

Let me say something here. I'm more Zen now, thanks to my good friend bud. Boom, bum, brum. Sheldon Creed, try to all, you know, funky with me. Let's be real gentle here. Let's be real gentle.

Nice and easy. I gave him a little bump, and he kind of went, and I went, woo-oo, and I said, it ain't happening in Mamma Jamma. And I was going to deal with Sheldon Creek after that. It was awesome. So I'm like, really angry. I was pissed.

Pissed. Let me say some. I got the mic, so I can say anyways. I'm from Kentucky. Not everybody has teeth. Wait a minute. That's not a good. representation of Kentucky. Everybody has teeth in Kentucky. We drink fluoride in our water.

Anyways, here's the deal. I'm a lightweight. I'm definitely a lightweight. I had a decent amount of champagne in the champagne shower because I love champagne. That's the taste of victory. So circling back, I had like, I don't know, four real fast at the barn. And here's what I'll say. I think I've said this before, but here's what I'll say. I got a list of songs on my phone for just this thing. It's inebriated song list is how it's titled. And I got about like 30 to choose from because I can't

remember them when I'm in the moment. So I got to go back to my list and I just got to say, ooh, I like breakup in a small town. I like, I like a ice ice baby. Some other ones. Oh, welcome to Welcome to the jungle. And I asked the bartender, I say, can you make me an old fashion? I'm from Kentucky. I like bourbon.

He don't drink that much. I make an old fashion. Oh, no. If he drank an old fashion, he'd say. Do I need water? No, I like to put the bud. The bud is good. The bud is amazing tonight. Bye-bye. Bye.

Oh. That's epic. That is like a clip from Talladega Nights, but it's real life. Yeah. Like, I've always been a Ben Rhodes fan in every interaction I've had with him, whether it's, you know, post-race being around, like interviewing him. But that took it to a new level. You're trying to get funky with him?

No. But, like, Ben-Rode. Like, that was epic. Pist. Pist. That description of passing Sheldon might be the best description of passing a car. It does sound like a Tala Liga night's description. You know, but how do you like, how to race fans not?

Well, and that's the thing, man. You know, the trucks average about 600,000 viewers this year, right? And if you're a NASCAR fan, and obviously we have the Dall Hard Cup fans on our podcast here that listen, that's what makes that series awesome. It's personalities and it's the show they put on. And look, it is a rec fest a lot of weeks, but that's why the truck series exists. Yeah. It's also why it needs to be at short tracks every week.

And it's good that, you know, he got to break out right there and show this out of him because, I mean, how do you not watch that and smile? You know what I mean? Like, I mean, that's just a guy of happy one in the championship, you know? I just, every time I see him, I just want to see him change gears. That makes it worth it. All right. Well, that ends it there for reaction theater.

Thanks so much to everyone that sent in messages all year long. They definitely made the listening, entertaining, and they were entertaining to listen to do on the show as well. If anything happens over the off season, send Jason a message on anchor.fm backslash door bumper clear. You can click the message icon. Let us know what you guys are up to, your silly season predictions, whatever it is.

Give Jason some work over the off-season. and maybe it'll make it on potentially a Christmas episode. We'll see. Offer pad, question of the week. Thanksgiving right around the corner. What does Thanksgiving normally look like in your home, Brett? Christmas. Yeah?

That's a fact. Hey, do you have your Christmas tree up yet? My Christmas lights are going up today. Love that. When I left it. I assure you, is my buddy? Yeah, when I left my house, TJ's buddy was at my house putting up my Christmas lights. So while we're eating turkey and dressing, we're going to be singing jingle bells.

So there's some little loser walking around the shop, Jonathan Davis. He lives across street from me. And he was in his front yard putting his up the other night. And my buddy Amish who does my Christmas lights in the air, he's really good at it. He leaves it hanging there. They're already up. I just go out there and I just plug him in, turn him off. And it lights up.

He looks over there and turn him off. But yeah, Amish does a really good job. John Stewart. John Stewart. So if you need Christmas lights in the area, you don't want to deal with it. Yeah. Send us DMs. We'll send you his number. Yeah.

My house for Thanksgiving is empty because I am at a turkey derby. So I'm modified racing. I go to my parents out. I go back to Long Island. The turkey derby is in Jersey. I go back to Long Island for Thursday, and then I go straight to Jersey for the weekend to race modified. Jimmy Blewett, Wall Stadium. If you're in an area, come out.

You're going to Ice Lip this weekend? I am. My house is pretty empty, too, because I'm a neat freak and I hate for it to get messy, so it's always better to be somebody else's house. Yeah, there you go. South Carolina plays Clemson. As soon as Thanksgiving is over, I'm hauling butt to Columbia.

Go game cocks. No cowboys? It's a different league. It's NFL. Go get a cash offer on your home today with our presenting sponsor of Offerpad.com. Time to get into our Xfinity X-Fi, more than fast moments.

You need more than just speed to compete in NASCAR. Where did we see teams be more than fast? this week. You can start, DJ. Oh, man. I'll go with the, my Xfinity more than fast moment

is going to be my pick for the truck championship, Ben Rhodes, and what an idiot I am for leaving a championship team. So, congratulations, Ben. Thank you for making me look like a dumb ass. And have a great off-season.

Have a merry off-season, Ben Rose. Oh, man. My X-Pinity X-Fi more than fast moment. I have two, but I let Brett pick the guy he's get to work with next year. I got to go with Kyle Larson. Kyle Larson, Kyle Larson's pit crew, their engineers for developing the pit road speeds.

That last pit stop was money from the pit crew. Kyle did a great job on pit road. They had their lights figured out perfect. Gets off pit road wins him a championship. So my Xfinity X-5, more than fast moment, goes to the 5th. Hands down, Daniel Hemrick's decision to very Earnhardt-esque-like move, Austin-centric out of the way. That is an Xfinity X-5 more than fast moment.

Maybe for the year. Maybe that one wins it for the whole year. Fitting that it's the Xfinity Championship. Fitting it's the Xfinity Champion and the Xfinity Championship. And Daniel Hemrick comes back next year to the Xfinity Series to defend it. So congrats to Hemrick and his team, man. That was pretty awesome to watch. We like it fast here on Doorbrook-Mple-Clear, but what we really like is being more than fast.

Championship weekend, there were a lot of things to pick from. Tons of action. What's going to be your X-Finity X-5 more than fast moment? You know what's more than fast moment? than fast, Xfinity X-Fi. With the speed for all your devices, you'll also get reliable performance that you can depend on to keep your crew connected. On the track, being more than fast means you've got the teamwork and the strategy it takes to

win. With X-Finity X-Fi, you can do more of what you love with faster internet and a powerful and secure connection. Follow at Xfinity Racing on Twitter for even more X-Fifty more than fast moments. And Hannah, don't forget to vote for your favorite. Thank you to Xfinity, a proud premier partner of NASCAR. And the moment you guys have been already prefaceing this whole show, this week's What an Idiot Award goes to Brett?

T.J. Majors. Who knew that Kyle Larson would figure this package out this fast to win 10 races, an All-Star Race, and a Cup Championship? What an idiot. I don't know. I couldn't resist. I was going to actually give it to myself for leaving Ben like I just did. And then, you know, I'd like to share it with Hannah for not even listening to the show.

when you fill in on it. And being late. And being late. I'm thriving today. That's what I said. Yeah. So, I mean, I'm just going to split it up. How many weeks do we have before the next show, Jason?

I mean, I don't know. I'm assuming they're going to drag us back in here for a Christmas episode. Yeah, a month and a half. So you know what? I'll just run down a list here. I've got a whole bunch of them. Let's see. Somebody through the green flag and truck practice with 34 seconds left.

Idiot. There's a NASCAR sign in the garage this week that said we're going to California twice next year. We're going three times. Idiot. Whoever made the concessions prices in the infield. I've seen Chase Cabre posted a picture of it. They're $37 for a cheeseburger. Idiot. The nine, the nine car.

Me and TJ are watching this live as it happened. The 19's coming off pit road. The nine's got the lead. Yellow comes out, and the nine backs down and lets the 19 beat him off pit road instead of throttling up to trap my lap down. Well, you can't really throttle up, but he definitely slowed down. Oh, you can throttle up. I've seen the 11 do it to you or the two cars somewhere.

No, that was Martin'sville, yeah. So then the 11 should have had a penalty. Whoever didn't call that was probably an idiot. Joey Gase for being in the bottom lane as the two leaders came to the checker flag Sunday afternoon. You're an idiot. And my final, what an idiot, the one I was going to pick for the week, unfortunately, I feel bad for this kid, but it happened. Trevor Huddleston cost his teammate a championship by thinking the race was over when it wasn't and lifting out of the throttle and allowing Jesse Love to pass him. on the last lap, which essentially tied them for the championship and cost Drew Parker,

his teammate, the championship. Jake Drew. Jake Drew. Sorry. Drew Parker's a friend of mine. Oh, my gosh. But yeah, I don't know what happened there. I don't know miscommunication with the spotter.

What happened? Damn. Damn, man. Lifted and wanted to two on the last lap and allowed to get to pass him. He thought he took the checker when, in fact, the leader behind him took the checker. Yeah, the leader was right behind him, so he thought he took it and lifted. And that... Like, if I was Jake Drew

and knew that my teammate was the reason... I guess they're really good friends. Yeah. Sounds like... They're Irwindale kids. They grew up together, but... Still want to kill him. Oh, man.

Unfortunately. There was a lot of confusion. I listened to that race. And no one knew who won. Who the championship... I've never known ARCA to be confusing. That's a first... Shocker, right?

Oh, man. Did you spot that, right? No, no, I didn't do Archer race. Oh, my gosh. That... I can't wait to do another Archer race. So, like, you think we take the green flag real quick, and we, and like six cars from like 25th to 30th all cut the apron. Too early before the start fin line.

They black flagged one of them. Like, how do you not black flag all of them? It's ARCA. We've got the DBC Year End Awards. It's been another fantastic year here at Door Bumper Clear. And like all great shows, of course, DBC and its cast earned, apparently, you guys apparently award. earned some awards this season. So to present the 2021

DBC Awards, we're going to welcome a special guest presenter. Oh, the boss man's here. The senior vice president. We must be doing really good these days. Davis wants to come on DBC. Executive director. I was like, they kicked me out of the chair for Davis.

I'm just here to help you get your ratings up. I think you're here to help get your ratings up. My ratings are just fine. You know, I've sold a lot of of I've sold y'all as a big deal and you know now I'm starting to get worried after a couple years I was worried after the first week I'm afraid I've started to lie to people I'm like no really no really fans love them no really NASCAR digs this podcast they call meetings with us they love us so much I mean they want to talk to us I mean face to face hey shultz I'd do that on our show

would lose it, I'd be out of a job. It works well. I did it last week. People love it. I saw it. I saw it. You, Jason? Oh, here we go. It's fucking nice, isn't it? It is. It's fucking awesome. Very liberating. I get some fucking awards for you.

Hey, you know what? I wanted to see how fucking long it'll take to let this fucking podcast go out. All right, I'm serious. I'm just kidding, Jason. Starts a fucking part. No, you are. She's been playing out all morning. Listen, I want to say, There's some awards to give you guys.

Did you know that you were award worthy? Oh. You did? I win awards every week. Look at my Twitter. Yeah. We had to create the awards, you know. But we are happy another year of door bumper clear.

Brett, T.J., you remember when we started this thing? None of us thought it would get this big, right? Like, this is fun. Yeah. And wow, y'all got a lot of liquor here. What the f*** are y'all doing during these shows? It's even on T.J. side. It is, man.

I'm getting drunk tonight. Hannah. How are you? That's going to be me tonight. Congratulations on the new job you got, Hannah. Apparently your future wedding. Thank you. Yeah.

It's going to be crazy. It's going to be exciting. Are you still going to be able to fill in for Casey all the times that she misses? You know she was late today, right? She can be late. She's fine. Did you hear that? She can be late to still be the most dependable person at this table.

I've missed one show all year. Is that right? That is true. Physically missed. But about literally half of them you weren't here for it. You haven't been present for a lot of shows, TJ. Who the fuck up? Mike in here.

There were weeks I didn't even know you were here. Anytime there was a Joey Lugano controversy on the track, I pretty much knew T.J. wasn't going to be speaking up. Speaking up, speaking period. At all. All right. All right.

Let's see. The first award. You know what I want to do? I want to tell y'all the name of the award and see if you can figure out who gets it. Okay? And these are no particular order. By the way, I'm reading this for the first time myself. I didn't give a f***le about this.

Here we go. The Principal's Office Award for being the first podcast called to the NASCAR hauler and scolded. Well, this actually goes to all of you. I'm pretty sure. I mean, come on. TJ, you're pointing to them, but you had to go to the meeting too. Did you not have to go to the meeting? Were you not there?

I called the meeting, Mike. Yeah, you were. You were the reason. Yeah. I called the meeting, boys. You were who we were worried about the most. Yeah, that is a fact. Brett didn't care if he lost his job.

He didn't care. Come up from the guy that sends us all the message, hey, kick me if I talk too much. He wouldn't shut up. He wouldn't shut up, right. They should. All right. So, you know what? This is a shared award.

I should have done this at the end. That would have been, you know, better. Are you going to get these framed? Because these are awesome. Do you want them frame? Yeah, of course. They should be hung up in here. Yeah.

Okay. This is, you know, I'm just giving that one right now. Yeah. The Outer Orbit Award. The Outer Orbit Award is most likely to push all of the limits. Oh, I wonder who that is. Brett. Who came up with that award?

I think I just messed up again. This is another group award, isn't it? Yes. Congratulations all. There's a trend already going on here. Here we go, everybody. This is it for an individual. The Off Base Award as the most likely to be completely wrong.

T.J. and Kyle Larson? Probably T.J. Okay, let's have a discussion here. You say T.J. Hannah says T.J. I say Brett, because Brett's opinions are either, about 20% of the time they're right, and the 80% of time they're completely wrong. Well, an opinion isn't right or wrong.

Is it? So he's wrong again. Yeah, right. Do we have to keep debating who wins us? I don't think we've got to go any further. Congratulations, T.J. You just proved while you're the Elf Basewater. That's the Kyle Larson Awards.

Just go ahead. Congratulations. What was it you got wrong with Kyle Larson? Well, it wasn't really... Okay. Did you say he was going to have a down year? No, I said it was going to take him forever to figure out the package. I didn't expect the Hendrick cars...

I didn't expect the Hendrick cars to be, you know, 7 tenths of a second faster into the whole field every week. But they were. He somehow managed to beat the other three Hendrik cars every week. It seemed like... You were off on that. him. Just a little bit. He only had 10 wins. I'll go ahead and do this one.

The Pigpin Award is most likely to leave a mess behind. Casey. This is a unanimous decision. The fans have voted. Yes. Casey Boat. Do we have her on Zoom? Do we have her to accept this? No. She didn't show up for that either.

All right. You know what? We'll throw that in the group award. Okay. The Delicate Daisy Award, as most likely to dish it, but not take it. Oh, Brett. Oh, hell no. The blocking king of the Twitter.

How many? There's no way. How many? You're talking about TJ? There's no way. Okay. TJ, there's a vote for TJ. There's a vote for Brett.

It's a vote for Freddie. It's a unanimous. It's unanimously Brett. It's racist. It's tight. We may have to go to Hannah for the deciding. Hannah knows who it is. Look at Brett's block list on Twitter.

It's Brett. It's a long one. Holy cow. Ladies and gentlemen. congratulations. The Delicate Daisy. Brett Griffin is the Delicate Daisy. I'm going to call you Delicate Daisy from all the things.

I would have called you something else. But they wouldn't let me. They ran it by HR. It wasn't Daisy. I'm HR dream, Mike. I don't know what you mean. Your dream. I didn't even know who our HR person was until door bumper clear started.

Then I meet with them regularly. The most dangerous thing you can do in the world is have Brett Griffin on speakerphone. If anybody's not aware of that. Hey, in fairness, I remember the day, I remember it. a company luncheon. It was either the season kickoff lunch or a Christmas party or something. And I got up in front of the entire Junior Motorsports and I announced that we were going to be doing a podcast called Door Bumper Clear and Brett was going to be involved. And Elliot Sadler spoke up and he said, that is a mistake. In front of Rick Hendrick, by the way.

He did it in front of everybody. He goes, you do not know what you're doing. And I'm like, I feel like I do. And he goes, no, you don't. He goes, it's a presidential election year. That happened. It was a kickoff a season thing. If Brett calls me I have to answer in my truck or something It's like hey and anybody else is in there I'm on your own speaker The phone is hey what's up Brett

You're on speaker because there's no telling what he might say All right Are you ready for the next one The next award The Pucker Up award As the most likely to kiss ass You can win more than one award Tj Are you kidding me?

I would imagine Have you not seen Freddy's lips Freddy does kiss Denny's ass A lot. No. Have you not listened to any of the songs that people write in?

Yeah. I don't know what you're talking about. Danny, who? If you'd open your mouth. It's a rundown now. It's a tight race between Danny and Kyle Bush now. I've been kissing a little bit of ass

both ways. Mike, look at this sweatshirt. Oh, good heavens. You're trying to take my... Does everybody already know what this... No, we have not brought it up at all. So Freddie is wearing Kyle Busch Motorsports shirt.

I'm just a big fan. I'm Kyle Busch. I am too, frankly. You're trying to take my job? No, hey, you never know. Okay, so there's a, are you voting for Freddie? 100%. Okay, and then somebody's voting for TJ.

I'm voting for Freddie. You change your vote. He has changed my mind. It's 100%. It's a 100% Freddie. Hannah. It's Freddie. You think it's Freddie. Oh, yeah.

Are you sure? Oh, yeah. Jason, do you want to jump in? TJ, because he's only kissed Penske's ass for the last three years. Okay. Well, then I'll change mine to Jason. I'm a swing vote. I'm back to TJ.

I'm actually going to get off. I'm actually leaving. Freddie now and I'm going to go to Jason because there's nothing but red lip prints on Dillner's ass from Jason. There was even a song about that. You got a song about that. Exactly. That was a funny song.

That was a great song. We just listened to it. It was awesome. Oh, did you? And highly true. Yeah. Okay. Well, the winner goes to Freddy Crack. Look, he went ahead and put his hand out. He knew he was getting... However, I will tell you that the fans said it's not because of you kiss

and Denny's ass is because you kiss him Brett's ass. Brett's ass. Yes. I like that. I know. So congratulations for you. They are not accustomed to our private conversations, apparently. Okay.

But yeah, but isn't that what the podcast is for? You want to tell us what the private conversations are? No. I assure you, we cannot talk about the private conversations. What is it? What is the story that has not been told on the podcast that keeps coming up and from Colombia? We can't tell that. Not a chance we're telling that.

That has to be saved for the... Christmas. The series finale of doorbook. This is the freaking. Do you think you've got another season? Series. Oh, Mr. Confident over there thinks he's got four years of this thing left. I don't even think it's a series thing. I think it's a life situation thing.

Let me save you a little suspicion here. It's a week-to-week basis with you sons of a B. I am, promise you that. Don't ever think you got it next year. Any day this boat is going to sink to the bottom. Oh, wait. And you're going to bring us all down with you. Really?

If we told that story, it'd be the way on the way down. Why do you got to bring a boat into it? Why do you got to bring a boat up? Really? It's a good point. We got to talk about boats again. That's the funny you ever said on here. That is funny.

You've been invited to the last one. All right. The final award is the janitor award as the best at cleaning up messes. Jason. That is also. That is definitely Jason Shill. Yes. The MVP of Dorp Upper Clear.

Here's what I want to know. Jason, did you create the award? Did you give yourself an award? I did not. I petition not to have an award, but social media. Casey just leaves a mess every time she's here. No, but he cleans up a lot more than that. I know, I was just trying to get off the hook.

Creating your own award is like giving yourself your own nickname. You know what I'm saying? It's like, there's a rule against that. Shultzzi. Do you have a nickname? No. What? White Caw.

We've gone this long and Shultz doesn't have a nickname? No, we're going to ask that. What's the little kid, his buddy? What's the little kid that Walter Cronkite? Yeah. Walter Cronkite. Yeah. That kid went to that school, Andrew.

We'll ask him. Andrew Curlin. Yes. Listen, that was the last award, I think. Is that the last award? Yeah. I want to tell you, though, I appreciate all y'all do for Dirty Mo Media. It's a lot of fun.

I love listening to this show. I love it when people sit there and think we're in competition with each other on social. You inflame that, by the way, Brett. I'm sorry. The delicate daisy over here sits there and gets a, you know, but if somebody says, that Dale Jr. downloads better than he probably blocks them. Oh, yeah. They're gone.

They're gone. I don't think it takes that much. But I'm telling you what, man, this is what we're, this is, this is what's all about. I love this show. It's a good show. And man, you know what? If you ain't getting into the NASCAR haul or once a year, then you probably ain't even doing your job, right? Yeah. I'm three consecutive years doing a great job, then. Thanks. Dang. That's how often you've been? Oh, yeah. Yeah. What'd you do the other times? The first time I b-b-ed about how hot it was at Chicago Land Speedway and that we didn't have any water on the roof. That was my inaugural trip to the NASCAR hauler.

Yeah, every other time it's been related to Dirtymo Media, so thanks for that. You're welcome. Thank you. Brett's got his own seat. Right. Y'all would have loved the call I had to make the Dale Jr. about y'all sons of B. Here is what has happened, Dale.

They have been talking some more shit. about the sanctioned and body. Poor Dale, he gets a lot of phone calls about us, I feel like. Yeah, yeah. You think? Text messages, phone calls. Yeah. You guys are so damn mean.

Yeah, you are. I love Eminem's. Just do it. Turn it up. Turn it up. Turn it up. Well, thank you. Hannah, you want your seat back?

Because I've spent way more time with these things. I'll take it back. See you, Mike. All right. Thanks to the appearance. Mike drop. Yeah. I'm out of here.

What a year. Thanks to everybody for listening. In all honesty, though. Dale Jr. Mike Davis, Leah Matthew, Alex, Casey, obviously the four of us here at the table. We couldn't do this without all those folks. And look, Dirtymo Media has got an awesome thing going,

and they're only going to keep getting bigger. A lot of new ideas are floating around around here for things they got going on. So I just am. TJ and I were. dumb luck enough to be able to start this four or five years ago. A little couch in their room right there. A little couch. I mean, Mike came to us and said, I've got an idea.

I want to do this. And literally, when he announced it, that's exactly how it went. Elliot raised his hand in front of God and everybody. It told him why they should not put me on a microphone. But it's been a lot of fun. We've had a ton of laughs. I've shed some tears on here. We've got Big Man Freddy to cry this year.

But without you guys listening, none of this would be possible. You cried too. I said I've shed some tears on here. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't cry. I just had tears of my eyes. Yeah. The same guy made us cry.

Same guy made both of us cry. It was Bodie. Both of us. Yeah. But what a year. Thank you. Obviously, thanks to everybody here, Dirty Mo. Jason, for as much crap as we give you, you, like Brett said, are the MVP of this deal. You bring all this nonsense together and put it out, usually in a timely fashion.

I don't know. Sometimes people complain. It's never fast enough either. It's never fast enough. But yeah, thanks to you, Alex, where I guess he took the day off on our last show of the year. We got my big goof buddy Dillner in here helping out, as always. And just everybody, Hannah, for filling in. Hopefully you can continue to fill in next year.

I know you're going to be busy. And then these two idiots for having me join them a couple years ago. But, yeah, it's been fun. I love you fans. I know me, we all, Brett don't go to the races anymore, but we signed the guy's arm. I mean, two weeks ago. He got a tattooed. I saw that.

It's unbelievable to me, Alan. But all the fans, we see them all the time, and it's just so cool to interact with you guys, either on social media or on, you know, in person there. So just love all the fans. Love what we do here, and hopefully we'll continue on for a long while. Just to wrap it, too, for DBC picks, Freddie, or the champ, bud.

Oh, yeah, we knew that. TJ won at Phoenix by picking the worst driver. I don't get to say by anybody, okay. No, you can say bye, and then I'll do the clothes. We're just usually not saying it. It's just the same people, man. It's all the people that put it together, Jason, Dillner, Alex, Hannah when she shows up.

Casey when she shows up, we have to have two of them because they don't, you know, neither one can put a full season together. Mike Davis for the ID in the beginning. All the fans, man, that's where it's at. All the people that go to the track that you don't realize how many people listen to this stuff during the week and look forward to it. I think people are now aware how many people listen to this stuff. It's a lot. But it's cool. It makes it.

I mean, it's fun to walk by people and be like, hey man, love the show. It's random. Totally. They say something else to me. I can't remember what it is right now. TJ sucks. I literally went to the middle of absolute nowhere this summer with the world about all eight models and people would come up to me and ask for pictures and they'd be like,

hey, I'll listen to the show and I have to always clarify. I'm like, well, what show? Because I like fill in on a lot of stuff and they're like, oh, door bumper clear. And I mean, we would be like. Nobody listens to the other than you did. No. The middle of nowhere, Wisconsin or like Missouri. Yeah.

Well, I appreciate everybody. And hopefully Mike doesn't cancel the show. show and we keep going. Have a wonderful holiday season. Enjoy your family. COVID has certainly screwed up a lot of things over the past couple of years. Shout out to NASCAR for getting our entire season in once again because that's not easy. Obviously major modifications, hopefully better times ahead.

I mean, if you look back, I remember people saying, oh, once this election's over, COVID will go away. Well, that was a pretty naive statement by a lot of people. It's obviously not gone away. A lot of people, including myself, have lost people that we care about. So keep your head up. enjoy the holidays and have fun, man, have a cocktail for me. Speaking of fans, I'm still racing for the next month.

So these guys take the rest of the year off. I'm going Riverhead Raceway this weekend, I'm going to Wall Stadium, Turkey Derby weekend, which is the Saturday after Thanksgiving, and I will be at the Snowball Derby. Are you going to go to the Snowball Derby this year, Hannah? No, I'm working dirt late models all winter long and arena cross. I'll be doing motocross. If any of those races or in any of those areas, come out to those races, would love to, I tend to drink beer at some of these short track events.

You should. So come out, say hey, and just like Brett said, everybody have a good holiday. I'm going to Columbia, then Vegas, then New Orleans, and Nashville. Three of those are for work, but they're still going to be fun. Hurry up. Do you want to go with me, T.J.? Hurry up. I got to go.

You want to go with me? We got to go. No, I don't want. Maybe, yeah. Oh, my gosh. Enjoy your off season, guys. Yeah, everybody. Merry off season. We out.

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