Door Bumper Clear - 240 – Daytona 500: Push It Real Good

Episode Date: February 22, 2022

Door Bumper Clear returns from the 2022 Daytona 500 and reacts to a wild weekend of racing. T.J. Majors, Brett Griffin and Freddie Kraft all had an eventful Sunday spotting from the roof. Hear T.J. 's thoughts on Brad Keselowski’s involvement in several incidents, Brett’s take on his car’s tire falling off and Freddie’s reaction to coming within feet of a career-defining victory.Along with co-host Casey Boat and producer Jason Schultz, the crew welcomes you into their brand new studio. And you won’t believe what it resembles.In Spot On, Spot Off, the crew discusses Keselowski’s aggressive antics that ruffled feathers. Brett and Freddie do not shy away from letting T.J. know that he wrecked a large portion of the field.During Stage 1, rookie Harrison Burton flipped in a wreck down the backstretch. The crew raises concerns about how easily the car flipped and what NASCAR needs to do going forward.Austin Cindric earned his first career Cup win in the Great American Race but put his teammate Ryan Blaney in the wall on the last lap to do so. They discuss the move while Brett mentions why he would put his mother in the wall to win the Daytona 500.During the overtime restart, Blaney told Cindric to move down in front of him and said he was making decisions to ensure that a Team Penske car was going to win. Is that the right play in the closing laps? Hear the gang’s thoughts.Keselowski and T.J won Duel 1 as Joey Logano wrecked while throwing a block on the final lap of Duel 2. T.J. explains why he was sipping tea as that happened.Brett shares why the qualifying races need an overhaul because starting position in the 500 is insignificant. The crew brainstorms ideas to change the format to make the event less of a snooze-fest.As a new drivers council led by Jeff Burton forms, Brett explains its importance and how they need to address driver salaries.Brett and Freddie aren’t alone with giving T.J. a hard time as several fans express their displeasure with Keselowski’s aggressiveness in Reaction Theatre, and everyone makes picks for NASCAR’s return to Auto Club Speedway.Thank you to our presenting sponsor Offerpad and partner RacingUSA.com for making this show possible. Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Welcome to Door Bumper Clear presented by All for Pat. I'm Brett Griffin, and we're back from the Daytona 500 and ready to react to it all. Today we'll cover TJ and Brad Keslowski making pretty much everyone mad. Austin Cendrick and Ryan Blaney's battle to the line, a new driver council, and a lot, lot more. Let's kick it. True. Standing the best in the booth. Stumbled a Monday to tell you the truth.

Giving the Finians and breaking the rules. Good call to the holler to bring it to you. Teaser, you pretty. Freddie, you fat. Hey J, you suck. Brett ain't so bad. Jason's face and kind of plate in this racing. If someone don't crash and he's gonna go mad.

Looking for Freddy, he's killing the bottle. Casey is making messers like a toddler. Treat something stupid then don't even bother. Brett's going to block you like TJ is his spotter. See them online though FF in the chat. Tell Rick where to stay off the track. All of the podcasts are living in fear. This isn't the download.

It's door bumper clear. Nah, don't get it twisted, baby. This isn't the download. Nah. This is door. Blomper. Clear, clear, clear. I like it.

Hey, everybody. I am T.J. Majors. Spotted of the 68 Xfinity car and the one truck. Yeah, you need that one out. I am the spotter of the six car as well. Oh, man. Brett Griffin's spotter. Colleg racing fresh out of Daytona.

Kickin it to my man over here who finished P2 kissing his sister. Freddy Kraft. Hi. It's Freddie. I spot for Bubba. We lost by a quarter of a car last night to one of my best friends. So now, on top of losing the Daytona 500 by a quarter of a car, I'm going to have to celebrate the fact that I lost the Daytona 500 by a quarter of a car.

What's up, Freddie Crafts, Potter for Bubba Wallace, Lannin Castle, and Derek Krause overall, pretty good weekend. I think I took about quarter of the cars out. I said Spotter, DJ only ran through about half of them. No, we only ran through. You only ran through two and then wiped out half of them. Right. It's not my fault. I should be corrected. That the rest of it. What they do after that? It's not my fault. But what's up, Casey? I mean,

are we not going to mention the fact that we are sitting in a brand new studio? And I'm jealous of Casey because I would much rather be sitting at the bar like her and Jason are right now. I think that they finally learned their lesson and separated me and Brett. I can't even see you right now. That's the best part about this. I think it's like that for a reason. They've spent some money in here.

We've got, like I told Jason, all I wanted outside was. a bar and we've got a bar. We're going to need a bartender. We've got Ricky Bobby. Brett and TJ, I think they got their ass beating NBA Jam a minute ago. I was the 1993 ping pong champion at the University of South Carolina dash Lancaster. And I got a ping pong table in here. Me and my best friend Matt Smith won a NBA Jam's freaking tournament in Phoenix, Arizona in 1993. So I'm in heaven. I'm in nostalgia heaven right now. Brett thinks NBA Jans is a football game. Have you ever played NBA Jam with Brett? He's tackling people on the court. Well, okay, I did. We just played a game and actually won because of Brett's aggressiveness, tackling other players.

So it worked out pretty well. I forgot my wall art. Jason, I'm sorry, I'll bring it next week. I know, I forgot to bring. We've been gone for a week, so. I'm buying me one of these things. I'm waiting for my wedding photos to be. No, this NBA Jam game is either going to get stolen or I'm going to buy one from somewhere. I need to know where Micah got this from. DBC, we built you guys a bar because he won't stop talking about alcohol. It's much better than where Mike's studio is now. A, because we're in here, but B, because, like, this is a full-blown entertainment.

Like, there's a lot of Hollywood stuff in here, and that's where this show's headed anyway. I mean, we're going to have our own poster like this. Probably by May. I'm going back down there and getting my... They won't pin our tweets on social media, but we're going to Hollywood. So, hey guys, Casey Boat here.

VP of Marketing and Babysitting for Dirty Moe Is that self-proclaimed too, like Jason's title? I feel like I've earned it. Let me see your business card. We're working on it. Davis, get on it. Since I've called myself Director of Content enough, since our last show two weeks ago,

Mike has just rolled with it. At this point, it's official. Working on the raise part. What's your paycheck? I was going to say Mike's going to take advantage of that while you're at it until you negotiate a bit of direct content. I was like, me in a new studio. So I demanded we get a new studio and look what happened.

That was really fast. Yeah, good work, Jason You're welcome. Yeah. So when is the bird coming? What is the bird are you talking about? The last time you started talking about birds on here was something totally different. I know, but I'm talking about a legitimate bird.

Like all I hear it is that we're going to have. We're going to have a bird in here. I gave you the bird. Did you hire this bird? I'm confused. Is he tall and yellow? I don't know what you're talking about. Big bird?

All I keep hearing from Mike is we're going to have a legitimate bird in here, right, Jason? Am I making it up? He's mentioned it. I mean, where's this bird? Like, he's just going to stay in here all the time? And does he speak? That's the rumor. It's going to be a talking bird.

You know, imagine what he'd say. Talking about do funnies and monkeys and. Do funny. Do funny. Everything is. Home play with your bird. We'd have the best bird in America. TJ, don't push me.

Maybe Jason will take it home at night too. So, so Daytona 500 weekend, right? Best weekend of the year, biggest weekend of the year for us. Everybody gets excited to go down there. I don't know that we've ever had. weather that good for that many days. Yeah, not that I can recall. I know I packed all this rain gear and I didn't even need any of it.

Yeah, I mean, it's usually chilly or cold at least one day, raining one day. It's cold during these finny race. It's Florida, right? But no, man, we had beautiful Chamber of Commerce weather for four days. Casey, how many days were you there? I did not go for the first time in 12 years. Slacker.

I know. I was actually disappointed. I missed it. But Chad was too. He was down that racing, so he was fine. I think that was my- T-J, are you just like on a roll to keep pissing people off? Because it just continues today.

First of all, I didn't piss anybody off because I wasn't driving. It's just you. He's still a reaction theater today. I think that was my 24th Daytona 500. I'm not sure. So you're really old. Yes. It would have been my 18th.

Well, I don't know. I mean, Austin Tendrick might have us all beat because he won the Daytona 500 in what his, like, second start? Third start, maybe? Yeah. Second attempt. Second attempt. Congratulations to him because I don't know that any of us picked Austin Cintric to win this race.

But I wouldn't have picked Austin Cendrick to win a race all year. So I was very surprised, but I'm happily surprised for him. Like, what a great way to start your full-time Cup career. I mean, it's all downhill from here, right? Like, now what do you do? Like, I mean, what else? I mean, now you got to win a championship, right? Obviously, he's got one on Exfinity.

But, I mean, if I look at race car drivers that have improved a lot over their career, he is certainly way, way, way up on my list. And we've talked about some on this show. But to go out and get to where he's gotten, you know, coming off an Xfinity Series championship a couple years ago, and then win your second ever Daytona 500 in your first full-time season, lock yourself into the playoff, lock yourself into the All-Star race.

he accomplished a hell of a lot of things yesterday. Yeah, I mean, and to that point, I was also happy for, I have numerous friends on that team, namely Doug Campbell, one of our best friends, Spotter. That's his first cup win also. I don't know what the hell he's going to do. Now you've knocked the biggest win and your first went off in one check. My buddy Ryan Flores is the tire changer on that team, so I was happy for those guys.

But, I mean, yeah, I mean, where do you go from here? You know those cars are always up front. They always have speed, and they always seem to, you know, my plan at the end of the race there was before we got the damage even, we were trying to figure out because there was all Fords. It was most of the Toyota help was gone. And I told Bub, I said, we're just going to push the hell out of the 12 and the two because on the last lap they tend to wreck each other.

You know, the Penske cars are always the front. And then the last lap, something happens. And who's ever behind them ends up winning the race. I thought I lived through any of that before. Yeah. So, you know, that was kind of our plan. And it got really, really close to working out. Unfortunately, it didn't.

But we get a race to him. like he did Blaney, it probably won. Yeah. You know, it's just, I don't know. I don't know if we, if you didn't knock my fender off, maybe that would have made a little bit of a difference. So you're blaming TJ too. First of all, I probably made it easier for you to stay there by eliminating, eliminating people. But, yeah, I don't know.

How much money do you think you tore up yesterday? Oh, me personally? I mean, millions. A couple bottles of water. I mean, you know. Sure. You wrecked a lot. Don't worry.

We talk about this in spot on spot off, so let's not give TJ too much of a hard time. But last week, I think we talked about the fact that this would be a different Daytona 500 with the new car, with teams not having as many parts, not having things for really the next few races. That's out the window in the race. Do you guys agree? I mean, Brett said it. Brett thought that this would be completely different, especially in the Dules.

Do you guys agree? that, you know, people were played a little safe besides Brad Kislauski? We talked about me and Brett talked about it the night before, and it was, you really didn't know what to expect. And I think that it was, we said it's Daytona 500. Some guys are just going to go for it. And you saw, I didn't think it was, I thought it was pretty tame. You know, there's guys shoving, some guys shoving more than others.

There was a few wrecks that didn't, that could have happened, but didn't. It were close. But, you know, it's just like the unknowns of the car and how hard you can push and some Some guys could handle getting pushed better than others. But, you know, you also saw the same thing. There was half the field that was like, I don't really want to be any part of that. So, you know, it was kind of what you would expect it to be. There's some guys that just couldn't afford direct cars, so they rode all day.

And there's some guys that said, I'm winning the Daytona 500, so I'm getting up there and mixing it up. Yeah, it was definitely a lot more too wide than three wide. And we could have ran around there three wide all day long. Now, we would wreck more, but I think that's the difference, Casey, is we saw a good race for sure. didn't see a lot of single file riding. It was challenging. Yeah, I mean, we saw a lot of two-by-two racing, and I mean, for me, as a fan, I thought it was a great race other than the fact that mine sucked all day. Yeah, it was definitely a different 500.

And honestly, that plays right into a guy like Austin's, you know, Austin's ball field there because he doesn't have a lot of experience and it to go back on. I think that's how it's going to play out. This is, he set the tone for it a lot. You know, he's progressed a lot over the last few years. Obviously, a champion in the Xfinney series, almost a corner away from, or 100 feet away from a two-time champion, so he knows what he's doing. It was definitely a lot of two-by-two,

and I'm not even sure how each lane kind of shifted, because guys were pushing in both lanes at the front. Outside lane would move, and then the inside they would come back. Yeah, just it was whatever, whatever top two cars got tandem. Well, even when the top two cars, even when the top two cars would tandem, like, even like if we had five or six cars clear on the bottom and we were tandeming up front, the outside could still get a run. And I'm not 100% sure how all that started yet.

I'm sure as we race more of these races and we start figuring it out, we'll understand more of why it happens in the draft with these cars. But, I mean, it was a, it was a Daytona 500. It was a challenging race. There was strategy in there. you had to do everything perfect. And those guys up front, you know, they executed pit stops well. They got through the pack where they needed to.

And they were in the perfect scenario at the end of the race with teammates switching for the lead. And we saw all day when two cars got shoved out, they were hard to get around for a couple laps. And that's what happened. Yeah, Exfinity race, again, great race. Truck race, great race. I mean, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Sunday. To me, that's the three best days of racing all year.

I don't know if I can agree that the Xfinity race was great. They tried to kill my boss. They did. I mean, Myatt Snyder almost landed in Michael Jordan's lap back there. What a nasty looking wreck that was. Bubba,

I got the craziest text, so under caution, I look at my phone and I got a text from Bubba. And he's like, I'm back here on the backstretch, watching the race with MJ. You and Daniel are doing an awesome job.

He and Daniel are obviously great friends. I was like, oh, another guy hanging out with MJ bragging about it. I don't get to meet the guy. Throwing it up in my face again. But he knew where he was at, you couldn't win.

But how cool is it for the sport? that Michael Jordan is there watching an Xfinity race on the backstretch. Like, that's just awesome because obviously Sunday, the Daytona 500 is going to be a big draw for a lot of people. Obviously Michael's a car owner on Sunday. He's not on Saturday. The fact that he's in Daytona Beach on Saturday speaks volumes to where our sport is, I think. That was the most people I can remember seeing in the infield or the ball field, whatever you want to call it there. For the concerts and say intro.

It was mobbed. Yeah, I thought the atmosphere was great. that flyover is awesome and what the fans don't know is that after the flyover we're all getting our stuff on and ready and out of nowhere that's second one they come back by and they are literally they are they are they have the afterburners they are close to the roof like they're 100 feet from us and they go by inside shaking they go by you and it shakes like it's like top gun when he buzzes the tower like it's out of it you don't see it coming so it scares the heck out of you but it was uh it's pretty awesome man the detain the detain a 500 weekend it's just a great weekend no it's hard to describe yeah you know like

we'll just I'll wait I'll rant about this later good ahead let's go take us Freddie not to rub in even more the fact that you didn't win the Dayton the 500 um dude I finished second that race like five times don't worry tell us five years take us a little bit into like the last few laps because I can imagine looking at the race on TV I can't even think about what was going on through your head what you're telling about us just get to like two to the green white checker let's forget yeah yeah you know like I said you know we were kind of painted in a box because we lost but Jard Kyle was the only you know fully functioning Toyota left and he had a bunch of damage as well he screwed you over one time bad well that was kind of on us I think he could

have helped but we were that was a move we probably should I thought we were pretty good he was clear and he didn't go the bottom I was like ooh I thought we were in pretty good shape of briscoe behind us and Kyle behind him. You know, we were, I thought, I might literally, what I told Bubba with about five, that second and last restart, I said, we're going to just, obviously, if we can get linked up with Kyle, we're going to, but he's two rows back right now and there's only five to go. You're not going to, like, drag back and look for him. I really thought our best opportunity to win the race, and it turned out to be right,

was, you know, just pushing the hell out of Blaney, lock it up with the Blaney and the two. Because they're going to race. Obviously, they're, you know, Bubba and Blaney are dating. so um you know uh but you know that was that was kind of the plan the whole time was just pushed a hell out of blaming then i was worried obviously we got the damage and i wasn't sure they were telling us you can push all you want the nose is fine it just took the fender off and you don't know for sure until you do it and they ran fine we locked up as soon as we like taking the green and i saw like he was pushing him and it wasn't no flex to the nose or anything i was like we're going to

have a shot and we just came up a little bit short you know i was in uh in uh I think it was 18, 17, 18. Whenever we finished second the first time, it was like, man, I don't know if I'll ever get this close again. And now somehow I've managed to get closer and still not win. So it's hard to. Now you can say that because now, I mean, if you get any closer than this and don't win, you should probably quit.

You should probably not spot. You know, I had a bunch of buddies of mine last night. They were texting me and they're like, hey, man, seconds better than 30 second wrecked. And I'm like, maybe next week it'll feel better. But this week, it sucks. It does suck. It does suck running good. the 500 all day and then you know that was i think that was the biggest takeaway like in and in the

petty car we weren't competitive really all day we just we kind of was in the right place to the right time at the end survived a bunch of wrecks this time we were up front all day kind of you know we're playing apart and controlling some of the race and working really well with our Toyota teammates so you're like all race long i just for some reason went into yesterday feeling like we had a very good shot to win and even to the last second i thought we were going to win but you know so that's why it's things a little bit more because you're up there all day kind of playing a part in the race and then just come up a little short. I promise you it's worse leading the last 20 laps than than wrecking into three. That's not funny either. That's a pretty bad feeling. You look at,

we got a big group of fans that always say, though the same guys win all the time. Man, these last two Daytona 500s, guys that you would have never picked to win the race. Michael McDowell, Austin Cendrick. Again, sports in a good spot. Yeah. Great weekend. Casey, I think we need to kick it. Or this thing's going to go on for three hours. I completely agree. Before we head into spot-on, spot-off, let's kick things off by hearing a little bit more about our presenting sponsor Offer Pat. Hey, DBC fans last week, we told you about the awesome, different news that our presenting sponsor Offer Pat is back for yet another season.

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or San Bernardino, California, partner with OfferPad and let's make it happen. When asked where you heard about OfferPad, select a NASCAR option so they know we sent you. Spot on, spot off. It goes like this. Spot on means you agree. I'm spot on. Are you joking me? He's lost his mind. Oh, and by the way, no one ever seems to agree. And then spot off means you disagree. Spot off. Here we fucking go. This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

But if you're T.J. Um, uh, uh, there's only one correct answer. I don't know. It's time for spot on, spot off. First topic. The first two cautions of the next gen car era are caused by wheels falling off of Kaz Gala and Justin Haley's car. Brett, spot on, spot off.

I'm going to tell you something. On a scale of 1 to 10, this being a problem, this is a 10 plus. When I'm watching the race play out and I'm watching wheels on our racetrack, there isn't a bigger safety concern for our fans in the stands than for me to see this. If a car hits that tire that's bouncing on the racetrack or rolling on the racetrack, that 70 or 80 pound tire is going to go up in the air, and we don't know where it's going to end up. So when I saw that, Casey, my heart sunk,

and the first one I really paid attention to it happened was Casgrawla. Obviously, it happened to me. I don't know with this single lug nut deal, you know, obviously there was an issue for the wheels to fall off. I haven't heard exactly what it was because Casgrawla's car looked differently than my car looked when it came back. but when I saw that like it literally scares me because we cannot be at these racetracks where we're going super I mean really anywhere I don't even want to be at Margeville and see a tire fall off right and

and with the other tires the other wheels you know if you got three lug nuts on you knew your car was freaking fine and if you got two on you had a vibration and you knew you had to come and fix it obviously there wasn't anything giving me a warning sign given Justin Haley a warning sign Hey, I think I might lose a wheel here, guys, for us to pit. So we're just out there racing, you know, riding around 170 plus miles an hour. Off goes our tire. Well, the problem is, TJ, when that tire goes away, we don't know where the hell it's going. I don't even think the tire knows where it's going.

I mean, maybe a couple weeks ago I got to left front. Maybe the right front was jealous. Maybe. You know, I think the biggest thing is definitely scary. Like you talked about, these guys don't have a warning anymore because it used to be, if you had those three lugs tight, I've got a vibration. It's getting worse. It's getting worse.

I got to come. There's no such thing is it's loosening up anymore. Like it's either on or off, you know. And it looked up, yours looked weird. Like it was, the wheel was out of the tire. The, we're still pieces of the wheel hanging in the right front suspension. So it'd be interesting to see.

It was weird looking. On the technical side, what really happened there. And I lost breaks at the same time. Yeah. So clearly something went in there, wiped everything out and broke something or whatever. Which could just be an accident. I mean, even, I mean, look, guys.

Even tire rolling around if it goes into the infield, and I don't literally mean any of the infield. I mean like Pitt Road. We can't have these. NASCAR is brilliant, right, in a lot of areas. And I can promise you their debrief today. And tomorrow is going to be, what do we do about this? Because this is a big problem. You know, speaking of pit road stuff, was it the Exfini race for all them cars went slightly?

Yeah. Whenever that guy, okay, so before the race, they get on a guy about having his legs over the wall. That is exactly why you don't, because that car slid right next to the wall, probably half a pit road, right? I saw Dylan Welch tweeted something about like he was standing in that pit box. And that car slid all the way down there. I thought he was actually going to hit the wall.

I mean, we saw Mark Martin almost go behind pit wall. Michigan. I mean, we've seen a lot of things, but we learn from them, right? Yeah. But this was the biggest learning curve for me personally on the safety side coming out of the weekend because who, like one tire, over. Okay, man, you know, freak deal, doesn't happen a lot. When you see two guys, three guys losing tires, it's like, uh-oh, we got a global problem here.

So normally, like, to find out this, you know, the breakdown, what happened, I would call Ryan Flores, but I'm hoping he's still drunk after winning last night. We should call him right now. It's probably in the breakfast. Yeah. You know, he has said on their podcast and stuff that that it's harder. The one lug is harder than the five lugs was just because you cannot, you've got to be so precise. I would say that too, probably. I mean, spotting got harder, right?

Of course he's going to say that. But, you know, but I'm just saying, like, he said he's got, you can't mess up. Like, you used to be able to mess up and miss a luck, and we'd be fine with four. I don't know if it's necessarily harder or just more, you know, according to them was, you know, according to him, it's, it takes more, it takes more effort for one. The margin for air is way less. There is no margin for air. It's either owner off. Yes.

So, it'll be interesting to see how it plays out going forward. And look, the weird thing is we've seen NASCAR react with penalties like suspending crew chiefs for things like this. And to me, that's not the answer here. We've got to figure out how to keep these freaking wheels on the car. I mean, I didn't hear a lot of feedback on the pit stops yesterday. We're in a group chat with some guys. They said that the pit stops were certainly not as exciting as they were. I think the good news fans for people like that is watch the Xfinity race because we still do five on five off there.

I don't know about you guys yesterday, but I felt like they were our time. teams were limiting tire changes just to limit the amount of times you could make a mistake. You know, there would be times where we're normally put on four or something. They're like, ah, we're not going to do. We're just going to do two. Which you can do there. But you can't do that in Fontana. You won't do that at Fontana.

I think it'll get, I mean, obviously, we're all learning. We're learning the draft, you know, drivers are learning the cars, tire changes are learning the tires. I think things will get more fluid as we go on. Yeah, great. Spot on, spot off. bump drafts from Brad Kislauski triggered two wrecks in the Daytona 500. Ricky's Denhouse Jr. says, Kislauski,

I'm going to get a drink. I'm going to wreck everyone in the field until he won. I guess his other car won that he gave up. Well, I don't know what that last part means, Jason. He said he was saying Brad was mad because Cendrick was winning. Oh. Yeah. His old car.

Oh, it's old car. not other cars. TJ, should we open some high rock vodka for you now, start taking shots? Why now? I mean, how do you know I haven't started already? What do you think? I mean, spot off. You don't like, you're not trying to cause wrecks.

You're trying to advance your line as much as you can. We didn't, we could push very well all weekend. And we could be pushed very well. Like our car was handling good. We could push. We could be pushed and worked good with all. Austin up in front there. Apparently, you know, whatever, never mind. You could push better than anybody throughout the weekend.

And like 100%, just watching the six car. There was times where the Toyota line would try to get to each other and we just simply couldn't. The six could pull up to anybody whenever he wanted and push the hell out of him. And I honestly think it was just at the end there, I mean, there's five to go in the Daytona 500. You're trying to get to the front. I mean, that's not, you're not trying. The last thing you want to do right there is cause a. wreck. You know, and I don't know, is it? Because every time the guy who causes the wreck,

he's never in it. He calls the wreck and he just drives away from it. That's not really true because Kyle Larson calls one and got in a big. Well, you just have to call somebody out. So there. So what did he do? Yeah, what did he do, TJ? He mounted the four. Key the TJ saying, take that one out. Here's what I got to say about it. I mean, he wasn't trying to wreck him, but it just, you're trying to go. What surprised me about it is Kuzlowski made the same mistake twice, right? The first time, He almost wrecked the 21 a couple times before he finally got him. And where he wrecked him was he kept bumping him as they were leaving the banking going on to the straightaway.

And the same exact thing happened in the next wrecked when he wrecked. Who was it the second time? Stenhouse. Stenhouse. Yeah, when he hit Ricky. Like if you were leaning on the guy and you were tandem with the guy, you could do it. But if you were bumping the guy, which you were, and again, you were sucking up better than anybody. But I was only surprised at the fact that Kazlowski made the same assessment.

take twice. But again, it's five to go a Daytona. He sucks up better than anybody because it's true. The one off of two, that's just like you're trying to learn, you're learning at the same time, and unfortunately when you're learning a new car and learning a new package and stuff, things have to happen in order to learn. I mean, you know, at the end there,

there's, if you switch Josh and us and Ricky, there's no telling the same thing doesn't happen to us. I mean, you're trying to go to the front. Ricky's not very aggressive at plate racing, though. Yeah, and so I was going to, Like, I saw this, you know, and I knew we were, obviously, we weren't going to avoid this topic. We didn't. And I saw this, and I'm sitting there thinking like, okay, that was two in a long time or whatever.

But I remember a race where there was a line as long as the entire spotter stand to get to Herm at Daytona. So, look, last five last. Because he respond for Ricky. Yeah. So last five laps of the 500, the last thing you want to do is wreck a guy. You're trying to get to the front, trying to get position. And, I mean, it's the end of the 500. You're going for it.

Look, man, let's be real. Let's be real here. Ricky got wrecked. But do you think that Ricky is going to be fans of Roush racing right now? Roush, Fenway, Kazowski racing. They fired him. Let's not forget that. So he's going to come at him just for that.

Just for that alone. And he got wrecked. He was the first car on the outside early. He was in a good spot. I'd be mad too. I can't play. You talk about guys, like in that first deal with the 21 car, before you guys even got behind them,

we had lost the Toyota line on the bottom, and we were running, I don't know, 17th, 18, something like that. And I watched Truex push the 21, and he was all over the place, sideways, sideway. I'm like, hey, let's bail out of here. I feel like 21's going to get turned. And then two laps later, as soon as you guys got behind him,

the same thing happened, and he wrecked the field. But like Brett said, that spot off of two and off of four where you're kind of aggressive. Your car's light and that's going to happen. And if you're not handled, I mean, obviously, obviously his car wasn't planted as well as some others and stuff. But I will say I thought Harrison handled his interview very well. You could tell he was disappointed, but I thought he was very classy in his interview.

Speaking of Harrison. Do you think that, I don't know, like this is not a question for me and you, Britt, But does this affect the way people will work with Brad in the future? I mean, in the days, you know, the last whatever it was, 10 years, he had no choice because he was always up front with the 22, the 12. You know, he had guys that were committed to working with him. I mean, does this change any of that? I don't think it changes in the Cup Series.

You know, some guys are always going to be up front, and they find their way up there. Brad's obviously a really good. Has a lot of games of play races. My personal strategy is a spotter at those races. has always been I want to be around the fastest guy during the race until the end and then I want to shuffle him and screw him. Let me ask you this too, kind of off topic, but last restart, you're Ricky Stenhouse, you're leading. Second place and third place are the two Penske cars.

Fourth place is Brad. Would it have been more beneficial to Ricky to take the bottom and split the two Penske cars? Of course I would. Yeah. The bottom had prevailed almost every restart I felt like. I was surprised. I told Bubba coming. I said, I really don't know what Ricky's going to do here.

He said, personally, I think I would split the Penske cards up. I said, but Brad's also the best pusher. So you're counting, it's, you know, six and one, half doesn't know. So you're taking the top in front of a guy that he knows a good pusher, and then you're mad because he was trying to push you so hard. Yeah. You chose to put that guy behind you. You chose that.

But, you know, again, Brad's not going in there saying, nobody is. You're just trying to win the race. I mean, you're trying to get to the front. And we had Chris behind us at that point, so we were lined up fairly well, but I was actually surprised when he took the top. We talked about this last week. Brett Kislovsky was one of the worst cars at L.A. And we said on this show that he could redeem himself

and potentially when the Daytona 500. You guys went out, won the duel, and obviously we're competitive all day long. So I think a lot of people that were looking at Rouse Fenway Kislauski racing going, uh-oh, panic button, panic button. I think they now know they can come off the panic button. Yeah, I agree. Spot on, spot off.

Harrison Burton's car flips with ease. after contact during the first big one down the backstretch. Freddie. I was obviously spot off. As soon as it happened, Bubba immediately keyed up and said, well, that is not good look. As soon as this thing got backwards, it took off. You know, got everybody on TV a good shot of what the underbody looks like.

So, you know, some guys could point out some technical stuff on Twitter. But, you know, that can't continue to happen. They've got to figure out a way. I noticed some of the guys on my plane last night we're talking about when the guys got turned around backwards. Some of the roof flaps didn't maybe operate the way that they thought they were going to. I have to go back and watch that myself. I didn't see it. But you know how fast they were going whenever he flipped? I was a one curious. I didn't see it. But you know, it's just it's just that's what we tried. We spent years and years and years developing roof flaps and these side flaps and

whatever else to keep the cars on the ground. And then you have something like that where the first time somebody spins, they immediately flip over. It's just concerning for sure. You know, I'm sure they'll address it, but, you know, it's not something you want to see happen. Brett. So I think the thing to talk about here, and I'm spot on for this, is rule change. We're going to see rule changes because of this. That's going to make the teams have to work freaking harder and potentially even need more parts that we already don't have, right?

So obviously spot off for any time a car leaves a racetrack again, safety concern. I mean, Michael Jordan's bus had suspension parts in the grill of it on the backstretch from the Xfinity race. from the wreck the night before there with Mike Schneider, right? So anytime a car leaves the ground, I mean, we saw Kyle Larson chunk of motor into the crossover gate at Daytona. You know, we have seen a wheel go into the stands when cars leave the ground, right? So it's a bad safety concern for everybody, but for me, this puts a lot of pressure on NASCAR

to make a rule change, which bleeds down to the teams, because there's no way that nothing is done as a result of what happened with that car leave. leaving the ground. What you see from a rule change perspective? I mean, you're going to have to add more of those devices that when you turn around, they deploy and it keeps you on the earth, right? And my problem was, like, he wasn't even all the way backwards yet when he took off. He was freaking sideways. So when you see air get under the car at that point, somebody's going to be sideways at Fontana Casey going that fast. You know, I mean, I would assume he was going 180 miles an hour. So if we're leaving the earth that quick when we get turned, like, and again, this is all new

to everybody. Brand new car. We got to learn as we go here, but I don't know what bleeds down from NASCAR to the teams from a rule change perspective. But if we don't see a rule change, I'll be really surprised at these bodies. I think I'm spot off for the car good upside down. I hate seeing him get upside down. But I... Too many unknowns happen. Well, most of the flips, like even when we flipped in turn three at Talladega, it's almost like we were just, we were sideways when we flip. You know, we're not really spinning it all the way around of doing that. Yeah, like they used to do. We're getting they're flipping from being straight sideways.

And I don't know if there's ever going to be a way. I don't think there's a, obviously there's not. There's not. There's no way we're going to foolproof this to where it never happens. But I am, I don't know if we talk about, I haven't seen anything about it. But it seems like the car is getting actually a pretty good safety ratings. Like, we've seen some pretty hard hits. Lugano in a duel, hard hit.

Lugano, hard hit. Harrison's interview, I mean, the fact that he felt. like everything was intact. I mean, that's at least a good sign because I mean, this is the first time they're running in a pack. I mean, I think it's a good sign. We've seen a lot of things. You know, there was some people, a couple of you or didn't think the, you know, we was worried about the Coliseum, and we went to the Coliseum to ask our not out of the park. And I'm happy to see all these guys leave Daytona, arguably one of the fastest racetracks we go to. We've had some pretty severe wrecks there. And we're all racing next week. Yeah. Austin Cendrick, when

the Daytona 500 by running his teammate Ryan Blaney into the wall coming to the checkered black DJ spot on for it but what I was just thinking of is Joey in the duel Ryan in the 500 Harrison in the 500 they're keeping Austin's car that's four cars well they're not keeping it okay they're just gonna wrap one to look like it but yeah fake it too like it fake it dang that's That's kind of. They have to, though. Car inventory is so low.

Still, but hey, it's the Daytona 500. I have not gone back and looked at a replay. I was watching it live. I was really surprised at how Blaney faded his move instead of making it really fast and crisp because I thought Blaney was in the best position to win the race when they came off a turn four. And then when I saw him fade the move and kind of been, what I mean by fade is kind of take it slow when he made the move to the top.

You gave his spotter, you know, Doug Campbell, you gave the driver, Austin-Sendrick, an opportunity to make that block. And look, run him into the wall. Hell, I'd run my mom into the wall when Daytona 500. But, like, I think that Blaney wasn't crisp enough with his move to give himself a chance to beat it. And then I honestly thought, well, hell, they're going to wreck each other, and Bubba's going to win. And they almost did. So I think also, before Freddie goes here, Blaney picked that position to be in. he was where he wanted to be.

But one super smart thing that I can say that Ryan did was he put himself in a position to where even if something happened, one of them was going to win, you know, which is, I think they, I think was learned from the year before. So, but that's, you know, it didn't work out for him, but the company won as a whole. So that's good. But, man, Blaney's been awfully close to that 500. Yeah. You know, you watch these guys work together to win the 500 like that, and you saw, I wonder if there wasn't a meeting that happened after Thursday night because they worked completely against each other Thursday night.

Loved it. You know, I'm sure you did. You know, they had the perfect opportunity to, you know, Ryan shove Brad out and then dragged back to Austin. And I'm sure in Ryan's mind, he had that race won at that point. He's got Brad out by two or three car lengths. He's got his teammate behind him. He's getting ready to get a big shove. and Austin pulls out and goes to the bottom

and Blaney's probably like, what the hell just happened? So, you know, but like you said, he chose that position. He chose, you see a lot of times at the end of these races, we saw it in the Arker race on Saturday. You know, Venereini Motorsports

has won five of these archer races in a row by doing stuff like this. Teammate restart at the end where it's very easy to be selfish and say, no, we'll just run side by side for a lap and see who wins. These guys work together, push each other, get out front,

and then, hey, off a four pit road entrance whatever it is we're going to make a move and see if one of us you know make sure one of us wins the race um but you know like you said Ryan it takes a lot I would have a hard time agreeing to that it takes a lot to tell a guy yes I'm going to let you in front of me on the green white checker of the Daytona 500 sure buddy I mean it's great reason why for me when with that statement Freddie is because it the white flag the race can be over like the minute you take the white flag it can end if there's a wreck and there's a solid chance there's going to be a wreck.

And if you're letting him do that, you're telling yourself and your company, all right, look, I am going to help him get up to speed. We are going to get up to speed together. Guess what that takes? A full lap. So you're essentially saying, I'm giving up an opportunity to win this race

to help us get up to speed. It's even worse than ARCA because they don't do. It wasn't green checker. It was green checker. Yeah. If I'm second, I mean, I might take my chances on the outside. I'd probably jump the restart a little bit. I don't know that if I wonder if the damage on our car played any factor into Ryan's thought process.

Because if he's not 100% sure, we can push him at that. He might think that that's the best option for him. They work together all day. I don't, I think it was playing. Oh, I'm sure. I mean, they said it on the radio. And the bottom prevailed a lot on the restart. They said it was Ryan's idea.

It's just, you know, I don't say it's the wrong idea. I think it's great. They made sure their team won. But, man. It's the best idea for the company. Man, it's tough to take for yourself. It's tough to do that. Yeah.

According to our friend Jeff Gluck, Blaney went to victory lane, congratulated every member of the number two car except Austin Stendrick. Oh, that's the other question I had was, you know, you do that. You give the guy the lead, you push him down the front stretch, and then he runs you in the fence to take the checker, which I don't blame Austin for it. We just talked about it's Daytona 500. You're going to wreck everybody in their brother to win that.

but, you know, I can see where Blaney would be a little bit frustrated. Second place had a 37.50% retention rate on the, first car on the outside. Data. Data. Data. Data. Data. Data.

Spot on, spot off. Ryan Blaney asked Austin Zindrick to move down in front of him on the overtime restart, then says off turn four on the final lap. He wasn't going to make a move until I was 100% sure that one of our two cars was going to win. Touched on this a little bit. Freddy, spot on spot off. I mean, same thing. Spot on for them making sure they won the race.

I mean, I thought. Ryan might be spot off right now. I thought he had him hooked. And I just needed him to hook him about 10% more. And we just dove to the bottom and tried to make it work. But, you know, it's good for them. they did what they needed to do to win the race. Austin definitely did what he needed to do to win the race.

I don't know. Like I said, I don't know. I mean, now does this affect the next time they want to do this? Is Ryan going to be signed up for pushing Austin? He said all the right things in the media afterwards, but you know, you hear that from Gluck. And it's what you know there's, like we talked about Thursday, he left them out to dry. And then someday he wrecked him to win the race. So there's two things here, though.

There's obviously they're going to meet a bad or whatever and talk about the races and stuff. And yeah, it's great if you're the company. Hey, this is great for the company. Good job, guys. But are you there? I mean, what are you going to do? You know what I mean? Like, if it's you and Freddie, next time.

Kick him in the balls is what I'll do if it's Freddie. Do not kick me in the balls yesterday. I don't need it against it. What? Here's what I'm spot off about. Ryan Blaney was never 100% sure of those two guys were going to win that race. It's the Daytona 500. and his teammate almost wrecked him. That's why he's butt hurt and he's mad.

He didn't speak to him at Victory Lane. So the 100% thing, I'm spot off on that comment for that reason because you were never 100% until you cross the start, finish line first. Yeah, I agree. I'm spot, I don't know. I think it worked out great for the company. I think it didn't work out as how he wanted to. But, I mean, with a guy like Austin,

I'm not sure I would have put him in front of me and think I could pass him because I think you, You know he's probably going to, you're probably going to, he's going to do whatever it takes to. And he set the tone for that now, too. The president of Penskee racing is Austin's father. His name's Tim Sindrick. He's been in this sport and a part of Penske racing on the IndyCar side, everything that Roger's done for as long as I've been here.

I can't imagine what it was like being the president of the company, watching your team, your people, your employees, and oh, by the way, your son, because I get nervous when Bodie goes up to bat in a freaking nine-new baseball game. You know, I never got nervous up to bat, but I get nervous for him. So I can't imagine being that guy at that moment in his professional career. Like what a great freaking story and a great moment for him and his mom. Yeah, it's been a great story with Tim bringing Austin. You know, Austin's worked his way up.

You know, there was probably a point where maybe his first year in Xfinney where we weren't sure he was going to progress. and then he took off. And he put a lot of work in, too. I mean, I've seen, I was there when he was doing the work. I've been, I mean, I think I was, I got his first win with him. Dang. That's awesome. The Glenn.

I mean, I remember when he, the first time I remember seeing Austin Run, he was in a truck at Dover for Brad. Yeah. And he was lost. He was a road course guy at the time. Like, yeah, he was seconds off the page. And I was like, oh, my God, they're going to stick this kid in this truck. Like, what are they doing? Why?

Like even that day he picked up like two seconds throughout the day. And you're like, okay, it's not bad, but he's still way off. But like he's probably one of the most improved oval drivers that you see come in and struggle. And then where he's at now, obviously when he didn't. And he's not like one thing that's surprising here is he's probably got more cups starts than what you think. Oh, yeah. So I don't know what the exact number is. Jason might know, but I bet it's more than what you think.

Yeah. T.J. wins dual one with Brad Kislauski while Joey Lugano wrecked from the lead trying to throw a blog. on the last lap of dual two. I'm assuming spot on, TJ. It was weird. I looked down there. Siri, you were spot off. Spot off.

It was weird. I looked down there and like, TJ was drinking a cup of tea. I didn't know they even had tea on the roof. But he was just sitting down there. He was sitting down there. He was sitting down there was feet up drinking tea. So it was.

Pinky up. I mean, winning's always fun. So spot on. Spot on for winning. Spot on for winning. So I're going to say about that? I mean, listen. When you saw Joey make that,

block and get wrecked, just like he did last year leading the Daytona 500. What percentage, I'm putting you on a spot right here, what percentage of that? Oh, I knew it's coming. Are you putting on the spotter versus the driver? There's no way you clear that low. Like, I don't put much percentage on the spotter. I mean, honestly, the driver is probably reacting before the spotter with their, with their mirrors.

Like, Austin was probably reacting to Blaney moving at the end. before it was even called. So he's watching the entire time, and he's just driving off of him. But we count the runs down from a timing perspective, or I do, right? Yeah. I'm assuming you do. You definitely, oh, for sure.

You count the rundown. You see when he's laying back. It's like you're dancing. Yeah. You see when he's laying back. He's coming, you know. But I don't put as much of it on the spotter right there because the very, like,

the spotters are probably a little more conservative than the drivers are. I mean. No, not me. Well, you know, when I was working with Joe, I was probably I was fairly aggressive but I would say he was probably

even more aggressive 20% more aggressive than what I was I think he's the most aggressive guy out there that's why he keeps getting wrecked well I mean I agree so but yeah it wasn't you know I instantly hated it for the crew

I um I spotted for Daniel Hemrick obviously on Saturday we dominated the first two stages and man the two things that made me the most proud was not winning those two stages what made me the most proud is we had massive runs on Noel Gragson. We had a massive run on one of those RCR cars. And when they pulled down, I got in our way, Daniel moved them.

And it could have wrecked us too, but it didn't. But that's what I was most impressed about because you can't put up with this crap. I mean, we talked about it last week with Justin Haley and Larson out in L.A., how Larson, you know, through the temper tantrum wrecked him, like, if you start putting, Daniel, I'm the champ. Like, I'm the champ. I'm coming. I got to run.

Don't pull this late blocking crap with me. Like, that's what I was most impressed about working with Daniel. You got to set the tone. You got to set the freaking tone. That's right, because the next time they won't do that. Yeah, and I mean, a lot of times, aggressiveness, it gets you a long ways. But it also... It'll bite you.

And he got bit by it right here. And I guess the worst part about it to me is it was just a duel. Like, we're all, everybody doesn't have, we don't have a shot full of all these cars. Just probably not the best decision at the time. And I think he knew that afterwards, but... I don't remember who Freddie's block was on coming out of four on Sunday. day, but you threw a really big block on the high side coming out of four. There was a guy trying to be crisp and get to your outside. You're really aggressive there. Like, you know, our job is

to help these guys be aggressive, but ultimately, you know, when we're counting that run down three, two, one, half quarter, they know it's massive and you better not pull out, right? Yeah. So, again, I think we just kind of set a tone here for what spotters play, what role we play in that crap. Because we do help them block. You know, and I was talking to Jason Jared about this because he's, you know, teammate this year, 2311. He's probably, for Kurt and we're talking about this because he's got he's got Josh Barry in the Xfinity series I have Landon Castle obviously and like I've worked with Landon before but Landon's like Landon's last whatever 10 15 years of his career he's been driving yeah his last competitive

race was a long time yeah like so like the way he's learned how to plate race for the last 15 years is way different than what he has to do now because you're not struggling it's kind of the same as Bubbo like it's hard to relearn it when we were in the 43 car we had a kind of make stuff happen. Now people want to, we have a fast car. We can kind of make our own stuff happen and people want to work with us. You know, so you, like, as you're a spotter, like me and Bubba, we can, I can say, you know, hang her right and he's going right. You know what I mean? And it's just the trust factor. It's what I don't have to say anything more than one time or I kind of, I already know what he's thinking, what he's going to do, what he wants to go.

Same as, you know, anybody's worked with anybody for a while. You and Clint, you and Elliot. You know, so, but you don't have that. Like me and Landon missed a couple moves on Saturday just for the fact that we haven't been working together for six or seven years. And Landon, you know, he kind of favors a certain lane. And I was trying to get him in a different one. And, you know, we kind of just weren't on the same page to start out with. But you see that with, obviously, he's say new spotters. Doug goes out and wins the race on Sunday. But, you know, it's something, these other spotters, it's, you got to be aggressive. And then when you're aggressive, you've got to have a driver that trusts your, you know, your ability.

Yeah. And I will say at the end of that, that's, Austin had his mind made up that he was coming up. Oh, yeah. Like he was either going to get turned into the wall and lose the 500 or he was going to win the 500. I wish you would have. So, I mean, honestly, like, nothing against it, but that's not. Like, that's the driver deciding. Oh, yeah, no. You know, Austin did what he had to do to win that race.

Ford's dominated, dominated the cup races down there. All right, moving on. Fine with me? Hey, are you spot on or spot off? You're not allowed to be anything, but. I'm spot on for you, TJ. I was spot on for you. I was happy to see you down there drinking.

Oh, Brett tweets that the duels need an overhaul. Brett, why? Boy, what am I spot on or spot off for my own statement? Look, man. We know you're spot on. Look, I'm spot on. The duels have changed so much, and this could be its own freaking segment of the show. I mean, literally, but we used to go down there with 60-plus cup cars trying to make a 43-car field,

and we would send really good cars home. And then they came up with a provisional system where the top 25 cars were locked in. And we had all these different rules that have changed over the year. And years now, with 36 guys out of 40 being locked in, the only thing we really have to gain in the duel is a starting spot.

And the thing we care the least about in the Daytona 500 at this point is a starting spot. So you're not going to go down there and see us race like crazy. Now, NASCAR's smart enough to know that. So what do they do? They incentivize you with points. Okay, well, that's awesome.

But points don't outweigh the fact that we need to keep a car that we need to run in two weeks at Las Vegas in our inventory or Phoenix or wherever we go after Fontana, right? So they've got to go back and look at this because, man, again, L.A., tons of buzz. Friday, Saturday, Sunday, amazing races. Thursday, if I came out of L.A. a new fan, which I think, hey, we have, over four million viewers watch that race, an exhibition race. That's a lot of freaking viewers. If I've gained new fans and then my new fan turns on that TV and watches us right around single file for 60 laps, you're going to lose them because it's not exciting. We're not

wrecking. We're not racing. We're not three wide. We're not doing all the things that Daytona as a racetrack can do. And I don't have the answer for this, but the duels in my mind as of this past Thursday should be extinct. We've got to figure something else out. The, the duel just because very predictable. It is a single file line or very tame draft for 30 laps. Then we all get on our own pitch strategy. And then it is all small packs of manufacturers cars that run around five cars, four cars, whatever it is at the time. And there's some guys that are out there just riding because they know they're in the race. You know, like you said, they gave us points. But it's still, you're not going to wipe your car out to get three points. You know, I think, you know, it's hard

because for one, I don't even think we need them anymore. You're only sending two guys home. But if we want to overhaul it, if you want to do what Brett says, overhaul it. Just let them guys have a 10-lap race. Make it a B-Main. Don't put everybody out there. Make it, you know, we'll lock the top 30 in on time.

And then you guys, the last 15 of you, are racing your asses off for these last, whatever it is, you know, 13, 14 spots. Because that'll be exciting because then they've got to race each other. You know, you've got to go. You can't ride around because now if you don't get in the top 10, or whatever you're going to take, you're out of the Daytona 500. So, you know, lock in certain guys.

And Kaz got in because of timing. Yeah. He was close too. He got in because JJ got lapped first. Or how to work? No, Kaz got lapped first. Caz got lap first. Caz got lap first.

Caz was behind the guy that was actually in, but got in the draft when it caught him faster and it pulled him by the other guy at the end. JJ. DJ, what do you think? I don't know, I like the duels, but they're just, man, when you run them and you've got a good card, you know, you don't really, you don't want to tear it up. Like, an example is Alex Bowman, five years in a row in the front row. He has missed five years of experience from the duels because they haven't really raced it.

As soon as they got past, they drop anchor and get out of it. It's great, but he's not learning. you know so i think you know if if you want to if you want to continue with the duels and continue to have them the same way where we just line up odds and evens or however we do it now with the with the open cars make them shorter eliminate the pit stop because that that's what breaks up your field it could really be a 30 lap race yeah there's no reason to have a pit stop at that race not especially now with a one lug we just said at the start of the show we didn't know what to expect going into the Daytona 500 i think that play we ran up we ran 120 lapses

on Thursday and we didn't know what to expect on Sunday because we didn't race and guess what's going to happen next year we're still not going to race because it's exactly what Freddie said. I think it gets better from here though because we all started that first race and we were like, okay, I was this, because we really haven't had them. Yeah, but these lules have been, they've been going downhill for years. Look, an overhaul is what you guys just said. Make it 30 laps. Make it where you don't have to pit.

I would make it a little bit shorter and I would make it, I would put more incentive on leading laps. I wouldn't go back and do what we just do. again ever what if you got a point for every lap lead again overhaul that's an overhaul I mean that make people try wouldn't it it's an overhaul we need to go back to that we need to give points for lap sled anyway if you lead a lap you should get a point yeah I like that spot on spot off a new driver council led by Jeff Burton forms and reasons include having a scattered minority voice in planning the next gen car Tj Tj

Uh, I mean, I just, I like Jeff Burton. I think he's a very knowledgeable guy and a good influence in the sport, but I don't know if we've ever seen these groups really, really stay together and work, have they? You probably know more than I do about it. Well, I mean, we've never seen these guys kind of form their own group, right? I mean, a driver council to me was different than what this is. I mean, this isn't a co-op union, but I am spot on for anything that the drivers can do to centralize. their efforts because which way is driver pay going down down yeah down it's going down right

i mean you got cup guys it's not bad still uh i mean depends on okay if you know if you want to be harrison burton for a little bit of money yesterday upside down the Daytona 500 i'm just saying like it i mean it's it's still a dream job i'm not saying that yes but when you look at the amount of sponsorship that is all look man there's a lot you know people talk about talk about all the time open races on you know Kevin Harvick's car okay he's got three so he's got 30 sold out at freaking four five six hundred thousand dollars a race so when you have that kind of sponsorship coming in and the driver salaries have gone down to what they've come down to man I'm I have been on the driver management side of this sport I've done a lot of contracts

and a lot of different series for a lot of different folks and I am a huge fan of this because when they had all the safety concerns in this new car the drivers didn't know what was going on. They didn't have a seat at the table. And they deserve that. They deserve to be a part of every single conversation and stick in ball sports. The players associations and the unions and all those things that exist are there to literally almost protect your rights as a person here in this sport. You know, I have been an independent contractor my entire life as a spotter. This sport gives nothing to me for the rest of my life. I've spotted for over 24 years. Had I been in any other major league sport, I would have a massive retirement. I would have helped insurance the rest of my life once I hit 50. I would have all these things. Our sport doesn't give that back to us. They leave it on us as individuals and drivers are the exact same. None of those guys are employees to these teams. They're all providing a driving service, right? The four ways

drivers make money. Base salary, percentage of winnings, t-shirt sales and endorsements. And this gives those guys a seat at the table on everything related to competition if, here's the question, if NASCAR will let them. Yeah. I mean, you look at it right now. now baseball's shut down because the two sides, MLB and the Players Association are not agreeing with each other. They're protecting the rights of their players. And we saw it last year, you know, obviously, everybody knows this, and we've learned it sometimes, that, you know, if you speak out against the sanctioning body, they're going to crack down on you. So a lot of drivers didn't maybe voice their concerns, but Ryan Newman at Phoenix, when he knew he probably wasn't coming back next year,

he voiced some pretty big concerns about, you know, the lack of information that they were getting about the cars, lack of information about the safety of the cars. I mean, Denny Hamlin's probably been the biggest advocate. I think you hear him everywhere. A thousand percent Denny Hamlin wanted. I hope I don't get trouble saying this because I love Denny. I want to make it mad. He's wanted this for a very long time. He's wanted it to happen. The weird thing is Casey now, though, for Denny Hamlin is he's got to wear two hats because now he's also the owner and a driver, right? So what he wanted as a driver, he might not want to see happen as an owner. And we talked about, you know, you talk about safety concerns and this, like you said, gives them a centralized voice of look at the stuff that happened yesterday. You know, cars getting upside down. Tires are falling off.

Now this is something that they can get together and they want to know. They're going to go to NASCAR and make sure. I mean, obviously NASCAR is going to address it. But these guys can now go there and hold them accountable, like Brett said, if NASCAR will listen to it. What do you think Rick Ware's charters are worth right now? I'll tell you what they're worth. They're worth at least $10 million. I was going to say starting and 10.

Guess what do you think he pays his drivers? Maybe four, four mill. Yeah, right. And shout out to Rick Ware Racing. Robbie Benton is over there now running up their competition stuff. And we've seen some major improvements already, a couple races in. Top 10 yesterday. But my point is these teams have sponsorship.

These teams have more value on paper than they've ever had because they own a charter. We didn't used to have that, right? So, and again, it's going the right way for ownership. It's going the wrong way for drivers. So my thing with what the driver deal is, before it seemed to get too, it was too biased for per what they felt their cars needed. Well, one guy felt like he wanted to go this way because that was how he was faster. You know, it wasn't, I'm all for a driver council for safety things, all the things like that. But when it comes to, you know, some certain things, and maybe you could remember some examples because I don't have any offhand.

but it seemed to be too they were trying to get advantage. They're league minimums in every single professional sport except ours. Everyone. Every other sport, right? I mean, Jamie Murray and I talked about this years ago, there was a point when cup drivers

occupied the majority of the Bush Series seats back then. Well, guess what that limited? That limited the up-and-coming guy to even get an opportunity to get a part-time ride to be able to showcase his talent to drive. So at that point in their lives, those drivers had a monopoly on the sport in terms of they had all the cup seats and damn near three quarters of the Bush series seats. That's not the case now.

So when you open it up. We just talk about it all the time. We're doing the opposite now, right? We got all these guys in the Xfinity series that are wanting to get to the cup series. And if those cup series guys are not performing, boom, they're out. But when those guys come in, they're coming in. and making peanuts in a lot of scenarios. Oh, for sure.

I mean, dude. Times are different. I mean, look, I saw rookies in the early 2000s with higher base salaries than what some of these guys are coming in at with their cap. In other words, if a rookie came in and made a million bucks, boom, he was going to make that, you know, they were going to send him $8,000, you know, $80,000, whatever the hell it was a month until they paid him his million-buck base fee. Now they're capping these guys.

You come in as a rookie, okay, no matter, if you win the Daytona 500 and you got a $500,000 cap on your contract, well, guess what? You ain't going to make another dollar after you leave Daytona if you're in that scenario, right? So I'm, you know, I'll say this for the middle of time, a huge fan of this. Speaking of Daytona 500, was Mike Joy talked about me yesterday? Well, he talks about how you just can't shut up on the podcast, which is pretty accurate. There was a restart where they were going to play your in-car audio and then Bubba, was already clear early on on that restart.

He didn't say anything. It was kind of an awkward pause, and Mike was going to be like, you know, let me give Freddie a shout out here. So he said Freddie talks all the time when he does that podcast. I can't argue with him. Thanks, Mike. That was still one of the most disappointing podcasts I've ever been a part of. What do you mean?

You guys were supposed to argue and stuff. What you did? No, you come on there and like, oh, Mike, oh, you're great. I think you were confused yourself with what you said all show. I didn't even say anything. I'm sorry, you're right. You didn't say a word. I didn't say anything.

I listened to the bromance. I don't think that's how it went, but maybe I'm wrong. By the way, I love Mike, just so you know. I know. I love Mike when I told him he was full of. You guys see where Matt Kenseth is going to do a race in a booth? Yeah. Oh, that's cool.

Yeah, that's going to be awesome because he's a witty. He's got witty, dry, sensitive. Yeah, and Fontana. And then Danica is doing it. And Danica's doing a couple after that. So let me ask you guys this. This is made from Casey and Jason, obviously. I've seen Twitter was blown up with a lot of complaints about commercials,

a lot of complaints about camera angles. Shocker. What did you guys think of the race broadcast? You want to go first? It's the same. Can I just ask one question why y'all think would get your thoughts together there because neither one of you are ready to talk? I'm ready.

I saw a tweet that there was a five minute and 26 second commercial break. Is that true? I don't remember that, but there was the constant so many commercials. That's a long time. It was, yeah, there were a lot of commercials, but I also know the value the Daytona 500 brings to sponsors when you do a commercial. I know what the media buy is. It is a lot of money and they want to make sure that they're going to make money. I have to say there were a lot of commercials,

but they did a great job at the end when it was like tension was picking up of going nonstop where you always knew that something was going on. You always, you saw all the coverage. There were quite a few commercials, but I think...

It might be just the same as normal. It just felt like a lot. Yeah. I assume it's Daytona 500. You have a lot more people watching. You sold a lot more ads. You have to put more in. But there was also less cautions.

I feel like throughout the race. But we had this issue last year, too, where people were complaining about a lot of commercials, but it also has to depend on the number of cautions if there's not a lot of cautions. It's good. They can't get it off. They have to get them all in. The only thing that I did from a competition perspective is because of the lack of cautions when we would have a caution and it could have been a shorter caution, I knew it wouldn't be a shorter caution.

Like I knew we wouldn't be like, okay, quickie yellow, one to go, blah, blah, blah, blah. they needed that extra three or four minutes of pace laps to get those ads in and get those in-car cameras on TV. And look, guys, Fox has got, Fox made a gigantic investment to come and be a part of televising the sport. It's the way they get their money back. It's business. We've talked about this before on this show.

Those in-car camera buys yesterday, 80 grand a pop. You've got to get those sponsors on TV. Or they're not going to come back and do an in-car camera, right? In-car cameras aren't free. I think the longest commercial was during the red flag, too. So they made it work. But I have to give up to Tony. He was awesome.

And I wasn't mad about that red flag for that reason. I was like, man, let's stop the race. Let's clean the racetrack up. Let's don't click off five or six pace laps cost marks right here. Writing around is not much fun. Let's go sell some ads. And I mean, look, man, I wish our commercials during the Daytona 500 were as celebrated as they are during the Super Bowl. And I don't know how from a marketing perspective we get to that point.

But if we were, people wouldn't be about them so much. Yeah. Our friend Jeff Glock made another good point on this podcast that now that F1's growing popularity, more people watching F1, no commercials, now watching NASCAR, it's more obvious how many commercials there are that break up the race. And while F1, you just watch it continuously. Yeah. Nice Lewis Hamilton shirt, Brett.

Thanks. Spot on, spot off. Jeff Gordon says he wants drivers like Chase Elliott to step outside of their comfort zone and become mainstream like he was. Brett. I think this is a supply and demand issue, Casey. You know, I look at Michael Waltrip, right? I don't think he raised his hand and said, I want to do dancing with the stars.

I think they asked him, and he had the ability to say yes, right? I tell my kids all the time, it's important to be comfortable, being uncomfortable, because if you're a dancer on stage like my girls or you're an athlete like Bodie is, people are looking at you. And some people aren't comfortable in that situation. So you've got to be comfortable being uncomfortable. You know, if Chase Elliott was asked to be on The Bachelor, would he do it? I think a lot of people would hope he would.

If Chase Elliott, but that's the thing, right? Are they asking him to do that? Because I don't know if Chase Elliott's marketing department, and I don't even know who that is, if they're making that phone call to ABC to say, hey, my guy wants to be the Bachelor, right? So there's only two ways for it to happen. You either get asked or you have to pitch it, and I don't know how active our sport is right now is pitching some of this thing these things but I'm all for it man look Jeff Gordon a lot of drivers change the game in our sport Richard Petty changed the game

Dale Earnhardt changed the game like when you look at David Pearson he was one of the greatest race cars to ever live he didn't change the game he didn't make us go up another notch right Jeff Gordon when he got here for whatever reason I mean he's from Vallejo California grew up in Indiana but Hollywood fell in love with this guy I mean I was at the Maxa Magazine Super Bowl party and he knew every single celebrity. It was in Jacksonville, Florida. It did suck.

It was awful night. I met Katie Holmes, by the way. She was not married to Tom Cruise. Yeah, but anyway, like, every celebrity in that room, Casey knew who Jeff Gordon was. And I knew a lot of, I mean, Derek Jeter and Dale Jarrett were good friends. Like, I mean, you just, I don't know that the sport, you know, kind of lost this marketing prowess for a few years,

but we're getting it back. And Luke Combs is, he loves. be a part of NASCAR, man. I mean, we've seen them at races just hanging out. So I don't know how you do that, but Jeff Gordon is smart enough to know how to do it, right? If he makes a phone call on Chase Elliott's behalf or William Byron's behalf or whosoever behalf at Henry Motorsports, and he asked for a favor, he's probably going to get it. Please go on The Bachelor because that would be a... That's the only freaking show in the world where a dude can go on there and make out with a hundred girls and not be a... Like if we were in high school, we met you out with three girls in the

same night, you were just a complete and this guy can go on TV and just semi-sleeping. He does soft porn. Oh, yeah. I mean, that was most of page-land. Let's do soft porn with 12 girls in the same night. This guy's so great and so popular. Oh my God, he's a hunk. Okay.

Moving on. Quick point. Freddie and Bubba's Netflix show comes out this week, so that'll be a little bit mainstream attention. I think it's February 22nd. Have you seen any of it? Any clips? I have not seen any clips. I've heard it's great. Do you think you're in it, Freddy? Yeah, I hope so because I filmed about a three interview for it. So if not, I'll be upset. But no, yeah. But just going back to this, you know,

I think Denny had a good tweet about, you talk about being comfortable with being uncomfortable. You cannot make guys do something that they don't want to do. You know, like Chase for some reason to me, and I know, I know Chase a little bit, his personality feels like it clashes with his popularity. Like I feel like Chase is kind of like keeps a tighter circle, doesn't really like to really project himself out there. And here he is the most popular driver in NASCAR for the last 10 years. He's obviously doing something right.

Oh, yeah. No, I'm not taking it wrong. Can we say hashtag bloodline? Yeah, that's, I mean, that's the, that's one of the biggest thing. Look what else he's doing. I mean, the kid runs, he was running midget races and he's ever run midger races before. Like, he's doing more just not necessarily mainstream.

Running midget races is making him the most popular driver. Running a fucking midget racing. But he's making himself accessible to people who are at the time. I hate to say this because I don't want to give him credit. He has a lot of ideas and usually they're bad, but Brett did have one good idea that, like, we need to go into these cities that we're racing in and have a party on whatever, Thursday night. You know, go rent out some big event hall or club or whatever and kind of make these drivers go. Now, you don't have to go sit on the fan's lap and get in a mosh pit with them. But if you go, you know, just be there and let the fans see you.

Let the fans see you. Like letting loose and hanging out. So similar to, like, leading into the playoffs when they did media. events in Chicago and yeah just like just not media no not no no that's the worst thing just a just a concert you know whatever it is Tommy Ball and I Tommy Ball and I Tommy Ball and I didn't have a ride home last night in the airport obviously Daytona 500 winning crew chief Tommy Ball and so he and I had a 40 minute car that dropped him off his house last night like he and I were talking about the good old days and we literally said man we had the best air because we got to do all the fun things and

still race these guys don't know how to have fun these people aren't going to know who they are in their personal life. Chase Elliott, like Freddie said, if he's keeping that small private circle, which is fine. That's his right to do that. Jimmy Johnson was one of the most fun dudes out there, but maybe Hendrick has suppressed their brands too much. I don't know what it is, right? Jimmy was. I mean, look at TJ once he left Penske, his brands, he's back, he's back this delightful, beautiful human being to be around again. I don't know about that. You sucked for the last three years. But I don't know how you fix all that. But Jeff Gordon's a freaking genius. He's a marketing genius. You know, just Tommy Baldwin.

Go back to Tommy Baldwin. So Doug Campbell won the race yesterday. I finished second. And Joey Campbell, Doug's brother, finished third. All three of us, Tommy Baldwin, gave us our first job in the Cup series. And watching him run down the roof last night, jumping up and down, hugging us and celebrating was something I will know. Even though last night, that's something I won't ever forget about last night. Yeah, that was cool.

The fans will never know about those Daytona trips and stuff, will they? No. I'll never. I mean, it was a known. But that's the thing. thing, man. Like, I mean, if you look back at Dale Jr., right, obviously, he was a very popular driver, period, already, one cup races, and then his dad died. He got even more popular. But even through all that, he did not become a hermit for a long time. Like, he lived, we lived, he lived a very

outward life. I mean, he went out all the time. Fans saw him out. He bought him shots. Like, that helps the popularity of a guy to know that you're one of the people, right? We went out, We were in, where, Kid Rock? Was that Vegas? That was Vegas. So we'd go out in Vegas with Kid Rock, you know, and Clint, and just being in a club with, you're nowhere near anybody. He had his own table, way away from everybody, but just the people that just

gravitated towards him just so they can see him, just so they could, oh, holy, there's Kid Rock. That's what you want. And fans say, I partied with Kid Rock last night. Yeah, yeah. I was with Kid Rock. That's what it used to be like, though, with our drivers. Yeah. Like, we used to go, I mean, in Daytona,

you go to Razzles or something and... Razzles was the spot, man. Baby boomers into Poconos, the Dutch Inn in Martinsville, the Sheraton and Dover, Delaware. I think those things, you know, this is a COVID era, though. I do like... No, that is not the problem. Even before COVID, it has nothing to do with it.

But there were more opportunities before COVID because I remember planning those events. We were talking about this before COVID. Yeah, they need to let me plan the events. Make them fun. Obviously, your events worked out great, Casey. You don't even know what events I plan.

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Way to go, Josh. Way to go! The data tells me that Bubba still sucks. Freddy, you can't see shit. I just want to say, I'm not drunk. My great grandma. You got run him

And she's 90-000 a Reaction theater Rolls in three Two One Just got done watching the duels And my one takeaway TJ's not the blocking

Joey is You Joey Go, Joe Joe Go Brad, go Tj Go get him on Sunday, bud Oh, we did You got them All of them

You got about 20 of them This guy pumped me right up for that And he's going to shoot you back down. Ha, ha, ha, ha. Fuck yeah. Fuck you, Joey Legato. That's what you get. You blocking mother.

Ha, ha. Good job, DJ. You won your first dual race with Brad Legano. And your old driver fucking wrecked. He's dumb ass. Have another.

Yeah. So you're saying Joey Legano block somebody on the last lap of a race that ultimately doesn't mean. anything? I don't believe it. I can't believe you would block somebody and possibly

wreck yourself when there are hardly any spare parts for cars, backup cars available at all. I don't know what's lower. Joey's car number or his damn racing IQ. Get a brain, son. Okay. He doesn't like Joey. There's been a few of them. the tide. Why did I just watch T.J. Major's replacement talk to Fox. T.J. You suck.

Yeah, T.J. I guess did Coleman do the whole broadcast? What was he doing on Saturday? He was. Yeah, I think so. It was like in and out. He would... He'd just pop in, give an opinion or something in him.

Well, first of all, I was working now that I'm allowed to work on Xfinity cars. You know, I'm trying to enjoy these commercials, but this auto race just keeps interrupting it every five minutes and I'm like what are we doing here all jokes aside come on fox if you're trying to grow the sport get on the F1 train commercial

free broadcast enough said that's really good auto race obviously F1 races are shorter but like is that one sponsor paying that much money like there's one that's like mother's wax or something's always in the bottom corner I think ESPN got a really good deal to broadcast or they only pay anything their ratings in America still aren't no anything so

it's uns comparable it's still cheap Yeah. Hey, TJ, do you have a special button inside of your headset that tells Brad to wreck the guy in front of him? Just curious. But that strategy almost worked for you. Here's your favorite driver, buddy. Rick's Denhouse. It could be 25 guys.

That's just two. I would just like to say this. It's no wonder to me now that Brad Kizoski is number one at Daytona 500 because you cannot criticize people for making late blocks and criticize the way that they drive. drive these super speedways. If you're going to be right on someone's ass with a new car coming out of the corners. T.J. You suck.

Guy's an idiot. He's back. He's an idiot. Are all these about T.J.? I like this segment? I kind of find a single one that wasn't about T.J. Listen, when, when Brad wins and Ligon O'RX, there's probably 15 calls right easily. Probably more than that.

Keep it up, TJ. Let's look. We usually don't have 12 calls. I had nothing to do with the first three calls, just so you guys. brought to you by T.J. Majors. Brought to you by the... Go ahead. Hey, TJ, how many

times does Harrison Burton have to be sideways coming off the corner before you relate to fucking Brad? Hey, how about let's not push this guy? I mean, it's basically fucking common sense. We haven't reached you in stage one. You're dumping people off the corner.

TJ, you suck. Common sense would be that the guy sitting in the seat and see it before I can. I think you should have said easy here, Brad. You're getting them loose. Let's go to the back. Bradger, you're about to cause another big wreck. That wasn't going to happen.

I freaking hate Austin Cendrick. One guy, I might rather Kyle Busch win, Joey Lagano win, anybody about Austin Cendrick. Dude, man, why? Why NASCAR God? Just because it's Penske's birthday? Was it Pinskney's birthday? It was Rogers. It was Rogers.

It was Rodgers. It was. Why? I mean, I don't have any. I don't know what also would have done. Yeah, what I asked. What a billionaire celebrates his 85th birthday after winning the Daytona 500? I would like to congratulate Kyle.

I would like to congratulate Kyle Busch on actually finishing the Daytona 500, though. Hey, I will say one thing we probably haven't talked about much. Roger Pitsky and Razzles made me the best thing I've ever had in my mind right there. It's how good the rookies ran in the first race. Me at Harrison, and I know. Harrison was doing a hell of a job. Austin up there. somebody run right to the fucking back of them.

But just saying, overall, the rookies were competitive. They were good. All spotters sound the same. Bada, bad, ta-t-touch-tut-tah-bav-back. Hold the break. Did you see, did you see Kasms tweet with Joey? So Joey Campbell's spot in Fabrisco now. And they missed a wreck, but Joey just said low like 4,000 times in two seconds.

So then he did all the lyrics style, you know, Apple bottom jeans. Shorty said, oh, shorty got, and then they just, lo, la, la, la, la, la. All right, last one. Please don't push me, Brad Casolowski. I see you in my mirror, but I don't want you to help me at all. Please don't wreck me, Brad Casolowski. Appreciate the help, but I don't want you to put me in the wall. Oh, he's going to try to help.

There he is, I've seen back there. But as soon as he tries to help me, my ass is upside down in the air. Oh, please. Bread, don't try to push me, Brad Casalowski. I know T.J. Major sucks, and he ain't going to help you at all. It's funny, like, there was an Xfinity series package that was really fragile years of years ago. And the spotters would come down and, you know, be like, hey, man, tell them, stop pushing me. I'm like, why don't you just pit and get the fuck out of the pack if you're scared?

Can't take the heat. Get out of the kitchen. Yeah, but, yeah, you still cause too big wrecks. I didn't cause any wrecks. There's no eye in team. Yeah. It's true. But there's a me.

These were great. To leave an audio message 24-7, go to anchor.fm slash door bumper clear and click the message icons. We'll keep playing the best ones each week on the show. TJ, you suck. Oh, we're going to start that, Casey. Offerpad, question of the week. Where is your favorite place to have a drink in your home? Freddie.

This is probably going to be very hard for a lot of people to believe, but I don't really drink. get my house by myself at all. Like Brett knows this. But like I don't, I don't know. I'm more of a social butterfly, I guess you could say. I don't, I mean, I have a house full of liquor and usually a house full of beer, but I just never, I never really felt the urge to come home and have a drink. I know somebody does and he can tell you where he likes a drink. I like to drink in Brett's kitchen often that helps. But yeah, not really anywhere. If I'm going to have a drink in my house, That's probably in my kitchen or my garage. We usually get in the garage and play a bunch of drinking games when people are over.

But, yeah, I don't really sit home and drink at all. Brett. RPG room. The RPG room. That's what it's still called, even though I want to rebrand it, but it's an RPG room. What actually happens in that room now? Like currently? Mainly just like a place.

So, I mean, I have two daughters. Yeah. And they're going to start having friends over. So it's a hangout. And their friends are going to have do funnies. TikTok studio. And I'm not going to let their friends go upstairs in my home and do God knows what in my house. So the R.B.G room, it just so happens, I can see that room from just about every other room downstairs.

So there's a couch and a TV and a bunch of bourbon in that room. Oh, yeah, because you're never gone. You don't travel. You don't travel. I'm going to do what you do. put cameras in there. Well, I don't have an RPG room. With a speaker to where I can key up and talk to them and scare the shit out of them.

DJ. I would probably say the kitchen. Yeah, I don't have an RPG room, but I might have to get one with a lot of cameras as my kids get older. So we'll see how this goes. This will be the trial. Yeah, you just wait. I am waiting.

I'm waiting to see how yours works out here. Joey called me from Daytona. Dad, can I go over to John's house? And I'm like, oh, no. No, hold on. Like, this is the... Different John. John Crabb.

I was like, this is not happening. She's asking to go over to a boy's house. What do you say? I puked. Did you say yes? She did not go over there. I don't... I let her go.

I mean, what am I going to do? Can't put her in a freaking bubble. How old is she? I love her, does she. I trust her, like, and all those things. But it just, it sucks to be a dad and be at that point in your life. She's 15, and she's a freshman in high school. and I know what I was trying to do.

I know what you're laughing about it. It ain't going to be long. I got at least four years. No, no, you just wait, bro. You just wait. Listen, it's as a dad. Every bad listening to this show can relate to this. Who was the little boy?

I shouldn't say a little boy. It was a couple years ago. But you had this kid scared to death. It was like her first little boyfriend or whatever. Andrew. Andrew. This kid was scared to death of Brett. And Brett was not helping the cause it at all.

If you seen like that. When Jebby says, She's like, all my friends are so scared of you. And I'm like, I really don't know why, but I'm glad. Do you have to meet, like, every guy that she wants to hang out with? I haven't met this dude, but Claudia's met him. And Claudia actually, so, I mean, this is me being from South. I'm like, go to his house.

Yeah. Meet his parents. Like, make sure that this ain't nothing weird going on at this guy's house. And Jovey's freaked out. Well, no, my other friends, you know, parents do that. I'm like, well, guess what? You're doing it? I'm doing it.

So did you see that video? Well, that's when she's going to start, lying and say she's going to another person. I mean, yeah, you can go to John's house. The moment you walk in the door, you're going to FaceTime me, you're going to prop the phone up. We're going to FaceTime the entire time you hang out with John. And then have you seen that video where the guy, the girl's like, hey, with her boyfriend. And she goes, hey, I want you to act like you're meeting my dad for the first time.

I want to see what it's like. He walks in and he goes, hey, good evening, sir. Oh, obviously we have the same nickname your dad. She calls me Daddy. and I'm, oh my God. Yeah. Apparently you got the older, the classic model. I've got the new one.

Like, oh, my God. I wish I was there. Somebody would say that to Brett. That's amazing. Oh. I would, I would laugh my ass off. Like, cry. You know what I did you mean, Brett?

Oh, obviously. Three of my really good friends are attorneys. And then he ends it. You're going, the kid ends it by going, Let's just make sure we get the nickname straight because we both thought it'll be reaching for the salt at the same time. Oh, that's not awkward. Go get a cash offer on your home today with our presenting sponsor, offerpad.com.

Where's your favorite room, Casey? To drink. Case is a big drink. Probably wine. Where are you drinking your glass of wine, case? Kitchen table. Shultz, where are you, did I see, like, what were you drinking this week? We've been drinking a lot because my friend, Ben, also,

assistant producer on DBC with turn 21. Happy belated birthday. Thank you. To Jason. Yes. And then. Oh, happy birthday. Yeah.

So he turned 21 all week, so I had to celebrate with him like the entire week. When we got here today to this new awesome studio, they were like eight people here. There were. I felt really special for a second. They were probably here with oxygen because we parked a mile away when we were trying to give Freddie oxygen. Just try and get you a little exercise before you get to get through it. Evidently, Jason's never seen the spot. parking in Daytona.

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Time for one. What an idiot. This week's One Idiot Award goes to, Brett? Well, be kind, sir. There are two people on my list. One of them's name is Jason Schultz because he liked a tweet from that Bromberg guy who is the biggest troll. We're going to need to have him on the show. On the internet, please bring him here in person.

I'd like to have a word with him. Jason, that guy is a turd. Don't like people's. He didn't make a good word. point. He's never made a good point. That guy is a complete turd and nothing that he ever says should you like, your brand should not associate with people like him. That's the only advice some of you, but you're not my what an idiot, okay? You finished second. My what an idiot is Mike Davis because he had a party, a high rock vodka party. Yeah. And he did not invite me. Oh, you didn't get the,

he didn't call you? What an idiot. Probably for a reason. Why didn't call you? I don't know. I'm just He didn't call me. I did not get invited to the high rock vodka party. And so he wins my what an idiot is the week. And he's very well aware. Are you implying that Dale is an idiot to you since it was really their party? I promise you Dale wasn't sending out invites. And if he was, I obviously didn't get one for that either.

But no. Wow. Oh, Freddie. There goes our raise. Davis, I'm not saying anything bad. Yeah, but you suck. So it doesn't matter. TJ, shut up.

You started it, Casey. Who's your one idiot? My one idiot has to be, you want to go for a general call Casey an idiot before I go? I got three of them. She's now one of them. My one idiot comes from the Arca race, and I don't know how many people saw it. But a guy that I think was a hell of, or is a hell of a race car driver, was a badass super late model driver. Dave Maider.

The yellow came out. Did you see this? And the yellow probably came out, I don't know, three quarters away down the backstretch probably. And Dave proceeded to get on the bumper of the car in front of him with the yellow out and never lift and just drove that guy into the pack of cars in front of him wide ass open. Like they wrecked in the middle of three and four. So he drove from, I don't know, 80% of the way down to backstretch, just tandem drafting. The guy that thinks he's on the one guy knew he was on yellow. The second guy obviously did not.

And he literally just drove him into a pack of cars. and that's just something that can happen. So you're going to be my one idiot for the week. My first one idiot is now Casey. So just kidding, Casey, but you're still an idiot. Was that like a backhanded, just kidding? Yeah, I was kidding, but not really. You started this, just so you know.

No, you started. Listen, this is not your turn to. I'm sorry you've been in a bad mood this whole day. Hey, it's not your turn. I'm going to show Brett the video. the yellow's out when this video starts you see the white car on the bottom that's my car that's wrecking now really yeah yeah and once again the guy who calls the wreck just drives right off it's weird how that works isn't it um anyway yeah that guy is a a very good candidate

um yeah oh i had a really good one in a case he got me all screwed up about it um this is why you make notes dumb ass jesus he was too busy apologizing my one idiot is tj for forgetting his an idiot. It was good too, man. I was proud of it. Just go to the picks for a minute. I'll think of it. I'll cut it back in. No, no, we're not going back.

I will go back. I'll just say it. Jason will cut it to give him something to do. Hey, what's up, DBC fans? If you haven't heard about Anchor, it's the easiest way to make a podcast. Let us explain. Well, first of all, Freddie, the best part is it's free. There's nothing better than using a free awesome service. To make the process simple and easy, there's

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I don't go first the damn winner right here. Never want to win the first hand of poker. Well, TJ wins DBC picks at the Etona with Ty Dillon. Repeat that, Casey? DJ sucks He needs It was like I finished

TJ finished 11th Brett finished 12th I finished 14 And so I almost won Yeah almost All right So I go next to last All right

Ready to make picks for California And I am going to go first Pick a guy that's in the race Please Not helping you Maybe if I wasn't Okay For everybody who tweeted me

Saying that I can't do this I wasn't aware That I could be a part of DBC picks So I didn't have time to prepare. It's weird. Paying attention, it's free. I didn't know.

I'm going to go with Eric Amarola. That's a really good pick because that's who I was going to pick. For Fontana? I will take Ryan Blaney. Ooh, that's tough. I'll take blah, blah, blah, blah. Jason's bird. Jason's bird would be like.

Daniel Suarez. Light claw. Next on stage. I got Kyle Larson. Oh, you're swinging for the fence early, huh? Swing hard, baby. I'll take Alex Bowman. Kyle Larson or Tyler Reddick will win this race.

That's my prediction. You know, Tyler was on my list of what an idiot's. Why? What he'd be? Sput out by himself in front of the Formula One champion. Oh, Jacques. Villeneuve. Yeah, he tried to take Jock out of the race.

Jock. Hey, you know, so I was going to say something about Jacques. Being two lapsed down to the leaders. And just trying to run all. But you know who, and Scott Tapley pointed this out earlier on Twitter and I saw it. Maybe one of the moves of the race yesterday, which I thought was dumb and insane at the time, worked out like a champ, was Chase Briscoe blocking us at the end of the second stage to stay in the lead lap. And he goes on to finish third and Daytona 500.

Yeah, he blocked me in three and four. And I was like, TJ, and literally TJ comes down here complaining to me about it. Man, do you see Briscoa? You and Lagan would have done the exact same thing. I told Joey, I'm like, I don't blame me for doing it. I don't understand that. I think he did a good job. It wasn't overaggressive.

But it worked out perfect for him because there was two slower cars on the bottom. And we were kind of boxed in. We had no choice. It was risky for a lapper, but I mean, he did it. And he wasn't like, hey. Yeah. You guys have been to a lot of tests with this new car between the two of you, right? I've only been to one.

Oh, yeah. His driver was hurt for him. I was hurt all. Oh, yeah. Been to probably half maybe. Okay. So what do you, what was the word that Steve Phelps used, Jason, something like pancreas? Panacea.

What was it? Panacea. This Gen 7 is Panis. It's going to fix everything. It's going to fix everything. When we get to Fontana, is this race going to look like we've fixed everything? Based on what y'all seen at the test,

because I've only seen a plate track test. The only test I went to was Phoenix, and it's a mile track, so it's not going to compare to a two-mile track at all. I think something that helps us at Fontana is tire wear, and I think you'll see a good race, but I'm worried when we get to the places where we're going to be kind of,

I think we're worried everywhere new. I mean, honestly, you don't really know what to expect. This is a top two surface now on the schedule. The car was great at the Coliseum. The car was fine at Daytona. The car, judging from what I didn't go to Atlanta, but from what I heard at Atlanta. But that's wide open. Yeah, but this should be a lot of throttle.

Yeah, but this is the best. I mean, I would say, I love the tireware here. The best two surfaces in my mind are Darlington, Fontana. Right. So we're on the, but we're on one of the. better surfaces. So what do you guys think it races like? I honestly think it's going to be pretty decent. I do. I think with Fontana is really hard not to have a good race at because of all the lanes. Drivers aren't stuck in one spot. You put a guy in second on the last lap and he's within

striking distance. He's probably just going to try a big move to the bottom, which makes it exciting. You know, we've seen passes in three and four. Jimmy got around. Somebody gave Jimmy the top out of four one time. I can't remember who it was. And, I think it was Jimere Kyle. One of them gave it up. But like, I don't know. It's a great racing service and the tire falloff makes it that much better. I think what I'm curious to see is based on the fact that we anticipate a lot of on throttle time is, are all those grooves going to work?

You know what I mean? Like is right around the bottom going to be the fastest way? And is that car behind the leader or behind whoever he's racing? Is he going to get too tight and just lose a ton of momentum and get freight train because the on throttle time behind him is great? I'm curious to see because to me, Fontana is a seven or eight lane racetrack in the corners. And you guys probably only see five lanes, but we split seams. We do all these different things to change the way we can find the apex of those corners. And so I'm curious to see with all this on throttle time is the bottom going to be the way around

and everybody else can't make up time because of how much you're on throttle. But you got these long straightaways. And if two guys get together on the front stretch and tan them down that front stretch, They go. Yeah, the second place guy, maybe we have a similar situation. I don't want to be leading on the last lap. I want to be pushing you. You know, I don't think it's going to be tan the whole way around, obviously,

but with the draft that these cars might have at those places. This is one of my favorite tracks on the schedule, so I can't wait to see what happens. I was curious what you guys think we'll see because this is going to come down to arrow. Yeah, and tireware. Entireware. And this is potentially, quote unquote, potentially the last. race at this surface, but maybe not. Why can't they just knock that building down behind the front stretch and put the short

track over there? Because they're going to sell all that. Well, just don't sell it and bouldoes it and build another one. You might already see the California short track. Massive property. That is a massive property. I hope we see a great race. Why are you not complaining about Fontana?

What should I be complaining about? What do you always complain about Fontana? Your favorite state and the nation. When we go into turn one and you see them speeds on the board. Oh, dude, I mean, look. You're going to probably see the Xfini cars going faster. Well, no, hell every series that Daytona went faster. You won't see it because that board won't be working.

I mean, I remember. I mean, we're not going to see 200 miles an hour like we used to see, right? But, I mean, weren't the cup cars the slowest car of anything in Daytona? I believe so. Yeah. I mean. Well, not maybe ARCA might have been slower. Maybe not.

Maybe not. Linked up, but single car. I'm talking about single car speed. I mean, that's what it comes down to, right? And I mean, you can't boast the best drivers in the world when they're going slower than your other lower series. And people, we've had this speed debate for years and these people on serious radio or they're ignorant to what the facts are. From a perception standpoint, the cup car should be the fastest car in America, period, on asphalt and concrete. And dirt? Not dirt. All right, well, I guess we will find out in a few days.

Before we close out, I want to give a shout out to the Dirtymo Media team for this incredible studio, even though we were kicked out of the other studio. We weren't kicked out. We were not kicked out. We just got too big for it. Yeah, we left. Well, since we added another assistant for Jason, we needed more room. Well, it looks awesome.

Thanks, guys. I really like this little leg rest I am. At the bar. I just need some Prosecco. Thanks for listening. It's going to be a fun season. I can't wait until we get Casey to put that mask on one episode. She's going to have to do a high rock vodka.

Brett should wear it. So we race at 3.30 on Sunday, which is 12.30 out there. So the race will be over at 6.30. We'll take off at 8.30. We won't get on too late next week. Jason, we'll be on time. Okay, good. Do you want to do a little earlier next week?

No. Definitely not earlier. I didn't get home to midnight last night. I got home early. Yeah. I was home by 10 o'clock, 10, 15. How? I don't know.

You guys take too long. What the hell? And we had a full plane. You tanked. 11 was on there already. So my guys weren't on my plane. Oh, yeah. There's two different.

There's two Gibbs planes. I got you. Jeez. All right. Well, thank you, as always, to our amazing presenting sponsor, offer pad and thank you to everyone for listening be sure to tweet us like share i just remember tell us tj sucks what do you remember you i just remember something kacey i promise you there are going to be t-shirts about you if you keep it up and you're not going to like it it's a warning

i can't wait that is your warning i'm most excited about Fontana we go to this mexican restaurant oh my god i can't wait i'm going to forget it again exactly what you're talking about so good it's got the big, it's got like a 20-piece Mexican band and it is my favorite band. They're not a Mexican band. Oh my gosh. You're called a mariachi band. You're such a f***ian idiot.

Oh my God. I love to go watch this Mexican band because this is my favorite place that we go all year to eat. It's unbelievable. You get there at 8.30 and you eat this amazing Mexican food and then at 9.30 they fire up and man, they are blowing

those horns and chicken. Have you? You ever been there? No, we got like La Bamba and stuff. Oh, dude, it's phenomenal. There's literally 20 of it. Like there's 20 guys on stage and they are just jamming out. You ever see like a four-piece mariachi band?

Yeah, it's like a... They wouldn't fit in this room. That's how many people are on the stage. And they are... Food good? Jamming out. Oh, it's awesome. Yeah.

What are we going? We're going Friday? We're on Friday. You damn right. I forgot. The guy, so I get this tweet after qualifying. And, you know, qualifying tells you absolutely nothing other than... And this guy, obviously, I'm sure you guys were probably tagged in it too, but I get on there, I'm like,

oh, I wonder when he's going to figure this package out. After qualifying. After qualifying. Is that you an idiot? This guy, yes, is my, what an idiot. And I go, look, and of course, it's the six followers. Can't call our fans an idiot? That's not nice.

Well, this guy, this, I don't even know if he's a fan. It might be. I am on Yelp, and I'm typing in what, and what does it say? Mexican music. Mexican music. But it's not a Mexican band. It's Mexican music. It says Mexican music bars.

I know, but it has a name. Like, you can put in mariachi bar and it'll probably come up. You typed in Mexican music. Yeah, but you don't. It's called PV's Fresh Grill, Tequila, and Entertainment. You know, if you. So that is not, does not say Mexican band. When you wanted to buy a dog.

I started typing it in and Google, that's what came up. When you wanted to buy a dog, did you know what kind of dog you wanted? Yes. Or did you just Google, want to buy a dog? No. I googled what kind of dog I want to talk about it. Exactly. So that music has a name. So you could narrow it down, be like, you know, hey, what do you want about it?

I don't know. Just a dog, man. Throw them out there. Let's see what they look like. All right. Well, anyway, I'll see y'all at the Mexican restaurant. I'm ready. Let's go. Love you guys. Thanks for listening. Every week. Thanks for listening. See you. Check out Dirty Mo Media on YouTube, Facebook, and Instagram.

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