Door Bumper Clear - 247 - Dale Earnhardt Jr.: Keeping the Whole Sport Honest

Episode Date: April 11, 2022

A frigid weekend at Martinsville Speedway didn’t make Door Bumper Clear shy away from offering hot takes on this episode. Brett Griffin, T.J. Majors and Freddie Kraft start by discussing T.J. reuniting with his former driver Dale Earnhardt Jr. to spot in the Xfinity Series race, only to be surprised by the man himself. Dale Jr. makes his first DBC appearance and shares what made him nervous heading into his only start of the year on Friday night. He and the guys then shift gears to their thoughts on the Cup Series race at Martinsville, where drivers were shifting every lap with the Next Gen car. They discuss why that, along with a multitude of other factors, has created lackluster short track racing so far this year. Dale Jr. then dives into his Xfinity Series driver Sam Mayer getting into a post-race scuffle with rival Ty Gibbs. Hear how Dale and the spotters reacted, and why it's making Dale want to get his drivers fighting lessons.To start Spot On, Spot Off, the crew discusses Denny Hamlin’s struggles during the Saturday Cup Series race and his comments about the Next Gen car needing a complete redesign.Next, they talk about why neither Austin Dillon nor Joey Logano roughed up William Byron during the overtime restart. Hear why the guys think the bump and run may not be as effective with the new car and if they had a shot to begin with.Ty Gibbs is back in the news after Sam Mayer bumped him out of the way in the final corner of the Xfinity Series race as they battled for the 100k bonus. After questioning whether Gibbs could dish it and take it last week, the guys got their answer and breakdown the fight and its implications moving forward. Hear what Dale said to Sam afterwards.Roush Fenway Keselowski lost its penalty appeal for modifying a single source part. The crew talks about NASCAR needing to set the precedent from this ruling and if they could have avoided the penalty altogether. Also, should all penalties be made public again? The crew debates.Everyone shares their displeasure of having to race on Easter Sunday at Bristol Dirt. They talk about who ultimately has the power to make the decision and why the answer may surprise you.They continue their discussion of Bristol Dirt talking about Kyle Busch’s comments about wanting to “cut the cord” on the race. They bring up Richard Petty’s thoughts about NASCAR continuing to race on dirt and if there are other alternatives to taking away a regular Bristol race.Finally, hear their thoughts on TV not showing victory lane interviews after Mike Joy tweeted explaining the TVs reasoning. Dale shares insight into why networks made the change and provides a solution that he thinks would appease everyone.Dale sticks around for the remainder of the show and hears what the fans have to say in Reaction Theatre. Hear a song about Dale, how many people are mad at Gibbs for leaving his helmet on, reactions to moments from the TV broadcast, and more.Lastly, Xfinity returns as a sponsor on DBC with their new segment. Plus, Dale and guys give out their What an Idiot awards.Thank you to our presenting sponsor Offerpad and partner RacingUSA.com for making this show possible. Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

This is Doorbubber Clear presented by Offerpad, and I'm T.J. Majors. We're thawed out from Martinsville and have returned with plenty of hot takes, as you can imagine. We'll cover Dale Jr. yelling at me again on the radio, why the cup race was so bad. Ty Gibbs versus Sam Mayer, racing Bristol dirt on Easter, and more. Here we go. Nobody's listening, but I don't care. I'm on an episode of Door Bumper Clear. Hey everybody, I'm T.J. Majors. Spotter the six-cup car, the one truck, and the 80s, bandy car. And joining me at the table.

Hey, guys, Casey Boat here. As you try and tape up my mouth. I am the... We couldn't be so lucky. I know. You're lucky to have me. I'd already like to switch back to Jason's side. Honestly, I'm sick of Brett. But anyways, VP of babysitting and marketing here for DBC. And president of the airhead club today. I don't know what you're talking about. Brett Griffin Spotter for colleague racing. I had Daniel Hemmercall on Saturday and Justin. Casey, what are you trying to put in my mouth right now? And I'm struggling Justin Haley.

Actually, I had Daniel Hemmercon Friday. A stealing fan. And then we had, you guys are idiots today. Freddie, give me out of this jam. What's up? Freddie Craft Spotter for Bubba Wallace. Lannin Castle and Derek Krause over the weekend. I don't know what the hell is going on on that side of the table,

but we've also got our amazing producer, Jason. Jason Scheld's DBC producer. I want a sprint car race over the weekend. I see. Congratulations. We're racing Bristol dirt. Is that how you were able to afford to bring us to Bojangos biscuits this morning? That's a big box of biscuits over there.

Thank you. Is that your official announcement? Yeah. I'll be in some truck this weekend. Some truck. We're going to do a hype video later in the, week to really reveal it. TB 12 is my sponsor.

You'll be my DBC pick for week. TB 12. Whatever. All right. Well, how was Marksville? Cold rain sucked.

Oh, my. Cold. Holy cold. Dude, it went. The one day, it went from raining to really nice to terribly cold. Like, it was like, you had four seasons.

Yeah, you had the whole deal. You had the whole year in one day. To start of that exfinity race was cold. Like legitimately 40 mile an hour winds. It's cold. Yeah. But we survived.

I got a text from Kyle Rush and he said, are you cold? Looks cold. I said, well, I'm not warm. I can promise you that. Like,

I guess they panned a shot of the Sparston. I got home Saturday night and I just ran a scald and hot bath and I just laid in a bathtub. I just get warm. I had a bowl of soup. Megan's, I'm always, I need to be like freezing cold at night. Like,

so I have the air down as low as it'll go. I'll have the fan on in the room. I found out this morning why I have the fan on the room. What is it with fans and babies? Only? We talked before you got here. Yeah, it's not appropriate for you. TJ, how was it switching cars for the Xfinity race?

Man, I don't know if it's old age or what, but he's getting me running here. I didn't get yelled at one time. So we even got spun out and I didn't get yelled at. Wow. Did he, like, one of his drivers wreck him? I can't believe the Golden Boy. In my opinion, yes. Wow.

Like, in the, so this hat, like, this is becoming a common theme for this guy. Last year's truck race, same thing. Tells Jr.'s here. Oh, shit. We were just talking about you. He was just talking about you and you walked in the door. Weird. What's up?

Yeah. Honestly, I'm good. What a special day this is for door bumper clear. It's about damn time. Boss man Dale is here. Top. TJ, say that again. Say what you just say.

What are you saying? Are you guys? Really? I mean, it's just. I mean, geez. I swear I didn't tell him. I know. We didn't.

Great minds. Great minds think of luck. Yeah. TJ, do you know he was coming? No, I had no idea. You're lying. You want to show? Total surprise.

I think only two or three people in here. You missed a good conversation. Welcome to the best podcast in NASCAR. Yeah. So in 10 minutes, you already got through the good part. Oh, yeah. Jason is probably going to have to cut it out. But, uh, yeah.

That's probably accurate. Poor TJ's going to have to say something completely different than he just said a minute ago now. So it'll be a... Well, I can roll it back. Whatever. Sorry. No, actually, I was given, I said, man, you didn't yell one time. But it's actually pretty good.

After what? After last week's door. bumper clear I was I made it a point to be extremely nice to you because I heard what he said he's he didn't sound like he was excited at all not even a little bit about doing that when I was talking to brown like brand him uh man I'm gonna need I'm gonna need to work this other weekend uh with him sorry um he puts on good yeah he forgot where he came from yeah no it was good I it was fun time but yeah I could definitely tell you put some extra emphasis on that yeah we were we were talking about we thought one of your drivers spun you out.

Or was the cause of you spinning out at least? I haven't seen the replay, but I know it was either the 51 or the 8, but maybe both it was kind of a combined effort to get you out. Wasn't Jeremy the one that talked about drinking beer on paper? Yeah, to start with it. He sent me a tweet and I was like, hey, man, bring it on. We're going to have a cooler. He just wanted to make sure you showed up after that.

That's right. We're going to have a cooler beer. And so I saw him behind me and I thought, all right, he'll take care of me. You know, we'll get through these last few laps. get home in one piece and he would hit me in the middle of the corner but it was fine um and then that yeah yeah it was the restart happened everybody was something was going on in front of the 39 and i thought i'm not going to go to the inside of him and get three wide and get all messed up i'll just push him so i'm pushing him as hard as i can and we weren't going anywhere because the stuff in front of me must

have been pretty big and so all that you know pressure came from behind we went down the corner and got turned around they got trying to out break each other and i don't know if they were really trying to get to they were just trying to gouge each other. Yeah, four wide typically doesn't work into one there. No, that's not going to work. We regrouped. And, well, yeah.

That's some of the best radio action. We're going to win an award for that one. Don't worry. Jason has it, too. I almost told Brad, I was just going to take Saturday off because I did such a good job on Friday night. I was just going to, I was done for the weekend. I thought you were going to retire.

That was the end of it right there. I would have if we got wrecked. All right, buddy. Talk me through Smith. I'm sure there's somebody going to be backwards. Coming to the green. Called it. Accurate.

There was 20 of them, backwards. There was definitely. All right. Leader. 10 from the market. Ready. Ready. Green, green, green, green.

Rolling fine. Roll it fine. Rock, right, break, right, break. Check it up, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop. Go through the middle. Go out through the middle. Your leans open, your leans open, your leans open, your leans open. You're good.

Come on through. You're clear. This is the best part. I'm going to go to the truck now. I'm done. I'm done for the day. And you thought you were going to get fussed at the whole race last week. He did.

You were threatening to quit and everything else in there. He said he heard the clip. He retweeted it. He gave me all these great lap times during the race. Oh, yeah. Every time he gave me a lap time, I was like, thanks, man. I normally give lap times, but normally he's usually like, like Richmond, when the tires are falling off. Oh, everybody knows.

Oh, yeah, we are all aware. I give great lap time. Every lap time I give is perfectly accurate. I mean, you're all right. His lap time is accurate compared to what he doesn't know, but his lap time was accurate. If you give me a chance, we got to settle in. You get more. Then you're like, okay, we're in the right rhythm here.

The weird part was, is we had no practice the last couple of years. So I'd go get in the car and get in the race, and we'd start running. And he's like, that's a, that's a, you know, 2360. I'm like, what does that mean? What does that right? Yeah, yeah. I don't know. Relative to what.

Yeah. And so we had a little practice this weekend. And so I had my mind zoomed in on a little bit about what kind of pace we needed to run. I had no idea what the pace is going to be. It was hot that day. Yeah. It was hot then compared to when we race. So, who knows.

You buckled in. How much you miss it after you buckled in? Man, I was so nervous. The one thing that is weird is like I was so nervous all day long. Really? Really? Yeah. Like I was happy.

You're a champion. I was happy about it, excited to do it, looking forward to it. But my wife can tell you like the week before race or every week when I was a race car driver full time was like my mind somewhere. else, you know. We had an argument in the house because Ala is supposed to, Ila can't sleep and, you know, you can't let your daughter nap late in afternoon. Right. Because they're going to bed.

That's my problem right now. Right. They have a nap time and it's at 12 to 3 or whatever it is, right? And if they miss that, then they don't get the nap, right? You got to keep them up. That's what Megan does to me too. And so Alla comes downstairs and she's laying, sitting aside and watching, we're watching something on TV is something, keep her attention, some cartoon.

and, and I'm on my phone, and Amy come downstairs about 6 o'clock, and I was asleep. She's like, you got to keep her up. And I'm like, you know, I don't know. My mind is so distracted. Like I couldn't even do the basic, you know, things that you do.

But I couldn't pay attention to nothing. I couldn't, you know, I was out of the game. But it was, my day-to-day was pretty rough leading up to the race. But when I got in the car, it goes away. You know, when you get in a car and you start pacing, it's perfect. It feels this is what you want. Yeah.

And so then once the race starts and you kind of get in there and get to duking it out, I was panicking a little bit at those first 20 laps because our car was freaking tight. We were so tight, so bad. And I thought, man, it's going to be tough. We were still maintaining. Well, I'm watching Noah. And he's going and going, passing, passing. And then I couldn't see him anymore.

And I'm thinking, man, we're in trouble. I looked up. I was like, the 9 and junior started right next to each other, right around each other. And he was a straightaway ahead of you, about, you know, before that stage break. I saw him take off too. but no one's like that. Our car was tight. So we were tight in practice,

and so I knew our balance wasn't great. We didn't, we, we, we, we, I wanted to put rear spring in it, but you can at that point. You got what you got. You can just do track bar and wedge. And so it just took our car a long time to get going. But if I had to do it all over again, I'd have probably put about 100, 150 pounds in the right rear

and a little bit of left rear and a little bit of left spring, just propping the back up and getting it down on the left front. But, um, it was, uh, We made some adjustments and got it a little bit better as the race went on, but it was pretty rough there to start. You grew up racing with a lot of cup guys when you came in an Xfinity series, and obviously you ran full time. Were you surprised by how good those guys are? So that's sort of my, you forget that, you know, when you get in there, when you race all, you know, we race as long as we have, you think, man, I can just hop back in there. and I expect to run top 10, top five.

You know, top five is a good day. I should be able to do that. I don't care if I'm taking a year off, two years off. I should be able to hop right back in there and get right to it. And I've always wondered what it is about drivers that retire and fall off, right? We watch, you know, I'm just going to say some names. It's not really picking on anybody, but like Darrell Waltrip or Dale Jarrett. And there's reasons.

There's equipment reasons and other reasons why these guys sort of tail off or why they lose some of that performance it's some of it's the car some of it's the situation they're in the crew chief the chemistry but it's also physical or mental right and there's something happening in that driver in that person that passion that drive or whatever and i've always wondered exactly what it is and uh i i i i'm it's opening my eyes to it a little bit going and running these races because these kids man they are fast they live it every day when you don't live it every day when you don't, when I'm, I don't, I don't get up and go to the competition meeting, and then watch tape and then sit in the office of the crew chief all week.

I'm not doing any of those things. They are, right? They live it every single day. So when they get in the car and buckle in, just like Mark Martin used to do in the 90s, they can hit that lap right on the race. They go right on the racetrack and they are right to speed, right? I needed about 40 laps to really kind of clean up the cobwebs and get everything, you know, clean up the lap and get where I could run okay and then start talking about the car.

but they're fast, they're skilled, they're dialed in. And they're aggressive. They're tuned. They're aggressive. Old men aren't. The gentleman thing is kind of gone.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The way I race where you kind of give and take a lot and you just, you know, that's not the, that's not the culture anymore. And almost in the cup garage too, you know, the cup side,

they race a lot harder than we used to for position because it's so hard to pass. You can't afford to give up a spot. You can't let a guy go and expect him to give it back to. you later. He ain't going to want to. But yeah, it's different. And it does highlight, I think, for me, how talented they are. I always think about it like this. So I was naive to think that I could jump in there and compete with those guys anytime I wanted. But when you really get down to it, you know, the Cup Series is the most elite stock car series in the country, in the country, maybe the world. The Xfinity Series is that college level, right? They're right behind these guys. You know, a quarterback

or a defensive end, let's just say for football, right? Any skill position, you're not going to take two years off, jump right back in the middle of the game and be able to perform. Right. Like that. They got to happen. No. You need, you got, these guys get, you know, they need a few weeks to get into game shape. Also, mentally get into game shape, right? The speed of it and all, it all kind of starts to make sense after a while, but you don't jump right back at it and do it. And so it's, it's a bit naive for me or anybody, I think, to think that you can just hop right back in there and good. And I got to tell you, I remember your rookie year in Cup at Martinsville. You hit everything, including the pace car. And you eventually, though, mastered Martinsville.

You were one of the best when you were at your peak of your career. And I expected you to get in there, no different than probably you did, to get in there and be a stud. And not that you weren't a stud, but I expected we're going to qualify top seven. You didn't. You're going to go up there and once you stayed out, you got track position, you look like you got your rhythm back. Like, I was thinking the same thing you were thinking. This is a Martin level guy where he can just jump back in here and go lead laps and win the race and when you didn't i was like man this just proves how hard this series is right now yeah you got to have it all lined up off all just right for you to be able to go out there and be competitive and there was a bunch of pieces missing when that race started some of it

was a balance the car a lot of it was me as the race went on we got it balanced better i felt like i i was getting better but i want to go do it again i think if we go back next year uh that's all i wanted to hear you want to do it again i mean i definitely want to do it again i love driving the cars and I need to, but the thing is, is like, I kind of either need to do it more. For TV? To be better. Yeah. Does it help you?

Yeah. Because like you say, I mean, it reminded me of how good they are. And I think we take that for granted. Sitting up there in the booth, you're watching it over and over and over. And you're talking nuts and bolts or strategy or what a guy's thinking or feeling. But we sometimes kind of forget that these are the elite. He's the best guys out there. You used to stay up all night after a race.

You stay up all night? Yeah. Yeah. I did. I stayed up. all on into Saturday night. He partied on Pete Road. I could tell you he was nervous because I went out there

when the girls had their little girl night. And me and him were sitting out there. The girls were playing on the playground. And he's like, everything about race anymore. I'm like, maybe now and then. And then I look over there and he's kind of looking off a little bit. And I see Nicole up on top of the swing set, getting right to swan dive, you know, onto the, you know,

I'm like, oh, yo. and he was over there just thinking about what's going on I'm a race going to go. So if you had any like on your list next year, where would you go? I really love Martinsville and I think I didn't get everything out of that that I wanted in terms of performance. I'd love to go back and try again to run better knowing what I know now. The short runs in that series, the lack of tire wear, the grip, the cooler temperatures,

all those things, we weren't quite prepared balance-wise for how that race was going to play out. And I don't know that I would have been able to prepare any better because I just didn't know. But going back, I think I could perform better. Qualifying, man, I was sweating bullets. I told everybody going in to that race is like, man, it ain't a lot. I'm a go-or-go-go-home, right? I've never experienced that, for one. Wow.

That was not fun. Even though I knew I had a really fast car, I'm thinking, man, I don't know how these guys like Timmy Hill and Parsons and them do it every week because every week some of them guys live that, that nerve. They qualify good too. People have no idea how hard it is.

That is a horrible way to live, right? And having to worry about that every single week. But anyways, I was like, I could screw this up. I could screw this up. Everybody's like, no, you're fine, you'll be fine. I screwed it up. I mean, almost ruined it. And locked up the left front on second lap

and missed the corner under Grove three and four. My lap time was just like four hundredths of being too slow, right? I think we run a 40. A 44 made the field. Yeah, I ended up being closer than I thought it was going to be. That sucked. And then when we ran, I'm like, and I saw a few hours ago, I'm like,

oh, we're okay. And that's nerve wreck. It sucked. Yeah. You've driven this new cup car, right? A test. A little bit. Compare the two cars.

So the cup car just got way more grip, turns better, breaks better, does everything way, way better. I think the cup car from last year performs better. drives better, handles better than the Xfinity car. Now this took a much larger leap in that direction. You got way more brakes. You know, you can charge a corner and the car stops real easy. The Xfinity cars got the old brakes on it.

It kind of takes a while for it to slow down. You can slide tires real easy with it, locking the brakes up or wheel hopping. And then the cup car feels lower to the ground. It feels like the left front works way better. The Xfinity cars feel real high in the air and they rock over. over on the right rear and pick the left front up and the cars kind of sliding the fronts. And you know how our cars, you driver would say, man, it's carrying the left front. Or left front's in the air and it's tight.

These these extended cars kind of rock and while they're all over the place. I think they're more, I think they're fun to drive. I wouldn't say more fun than the cup car because I haven't run it enough to really say that. But the cup car just does everything way better. You know, the cup car kind of reminded me of the modifies how they run around. That's what I told, Mike Herman, during the race. I was like, man, it looks like we're watching a monitor. Modified race with bodies on the car.

Big giant tires. Yeah. A lot of grip. So fast. Nobody's slipping. That's my question. It's like we had a couple restarts where guys were knocking the crap out of each other, locking their tires up. Are the brakes so good on the car that when you get hit from behind, you just stand on the brake and you don't wreck?

Like, why didn't we see wrecks in those scenarios? Because they got so much of grip in the corner. Stucked to the race track. Yeah. Joey hit the heck out of William that last restart and he didn't even budge him. Didn't budge. Yeah. I mean, I, I, uh, I watched that race.

And, uh, it was. I thought it would You know I thought it would kind of be like to modify just because of the tire And the contact patch And how much it's on the racetrack

And the temperatures No tire wear No tire rubber going down On the track where you kind of got to move around And slide around And that stuff And it was just kind of a perfect storm Is it too cold that time of year to run there?

Is that what it is? It's not too cold this time of year Like we had 75, 80 degree days last week It just happened that day That day it was really cold right We just got it was a perfect storm You know

And if it's 40 degrees There's a whole different race for both series, both the Xfinity and the Cup race. They got to work on some things. It's not just the temperature. I know you guys are going to talk about that today, but there's a lot of things that those guys need to think about. And I'm sure they are. I'm sure they're already moving in the right direction to try to figure out how to not to have, they don't want to have that happen again.

They're going to avoid that at all costs. And I know the drivers had a lot of opinions. I read a lot of articles Sunday about, you know, what the drivers are thinking. And they bring up a lot of great ideas and points. Those are the guys that I would go right to if I were NASCAR to really. sort of start getting some of the big ticket items that they can look at changing or improving about the car. And then NASCAR will take all that information and see what the owners think is feasible

in terms of, you know, expense and so forth. And they'll go to work. They'll make it right. They'll get it better. We, you know,

we came into this season and it's been really good. There's been a lot of good positivity, great racing. Yeah. 100%. We, you know, we knew,

I expected that there would be a little bit of bad or some really bad things, maybe something unintended or consequence we weren't aware of. Well, here it is. Yeah, and you're getting a lot more backlash because this is one of everybody's favorite racetracks. You know, this is the best race ever. Now we've kind of taken the best one and made it the worst one of the year.

I was thinking about that on the drive over here. I was like, man, was that really too hard on it? Because I was tweeting up a storm Saturday during that race. And I was saying, man, maybe I was a little bit too hard, too critical. But so there's the, there's a short track crowd that just loves short track racing that sees it, sees less and less of those on the schedule. we're kind of clinging on to, you know,

you know, what we have left in terms of short track racing, wanting more of that. That's the crowd I'm part of. So that's the crowd that's probably going to be the most, you know, upset or frustrated with what they saw. And then, you know, you're going to have the casual fans

with the fans that really aren't, you know, short track fans or fans that love short track racing that much that aren't going to be as critical. They definitely know what they saw Saturday night, but they're not going to be as loud as I was. But I don't know. man you can't you got to we got to fix it we can't we can't let that be the norm yeah you're I hate to admit this but he's he's smarter than us on some things and this next this next topic some things you tweeted

about shifting at martin'sville yeah so the gear levels were were built based on a horsepower package that NASCAR was moving toward then NASCAR changed the horsepower package they went up in horsepower which we were happy about right right so so I just killing the show this doesn't matter again this is the expert so I know it's the first topic of on the show sheet, but like, what do you do to overcome that? When you've got a gear that was made for a lower horsepower package, you end up with more horsepower. That's what creates the shifting.

How do you fix that? Well, they just got to change the gears. I was reading some of Harvich's quotes, and he's like, man, the car's fine. We just got to fix the gears, and the car's not broken. They also ran good, too. Yeah, I mean, that's another thing. Yeah, when you're running, it didn't run good and didn't like it. When you're reading driver's comments, you got to certainly think about where they're

where they finished. And then he also, you know, you're not, you don't know the tone of their comment, right? And so I kind of, I read it, but I don't, you know. You know they're selfish because you were one of them. I was. But also, I know there's some really great information in between the lines there, you know. And so I think Harvick has a great point to not go panic about the car. Let's think about the gears.

Let's get away from shifting. So when I was in the Xfinity race, you would get up underneath the guy. And if he did everything, if he was just patient and not really, and his corner on the outside, all he had to do was getting a throttle and he'd drive back by you and clear you. It was so hard, and that's without shifting. If you were able to shift, that gets way easier to drive by a guy that gets underneath you off the corner.

So passing's even harder. And that's what we saw. You wouldn't even get a run on a guy. If he made a little mistake in the corner, he'd recover through the shifts, right? And so that's if what we need to do is try to figure out, you know, they're not even using fifth gear, I think. They're running fourth gear. They're not even using.

So if you have five gears, they're all much closer together in ratios, right? So the ability to downshift, even if you don't use fifth, third, fourth, second, they're all way closer together than you would have in a standard transmission we ran for decades. So to be able to downshift is much more of a realistic opportunity at all these racetracks. And so, you know, all the short tracks that we go to. So they can't build a differential. there's going to be some, there's going to be a balance, I think, where the owners come in and go, whoa, whoa, whoa, we can't spend all that money going and building all new gears and, you know,

transaxels to be able to get away from shifting. That's going to cost a lot of money. Every team's going to have to buy all this stuff. And Denny's talking about how it's hard to even get parts for this, you know, can't even get the parts we need now or the parts we have now. So trying to get more parts or new parts that entered into the thing. The owners are going to push back against the expense, but, They have to get away from shifting. They have to change the gears.

They have to figure out how to do that in an economical way. It's not going to happen. It's not on the shelf right now. It's not something they can walk in the back of the shop and grab. All this is going to be a process. We're lucky we don't have that many short tracks on the schedule because this ain't going to get fixed overnight. It's going to take a little bit of time. I mean, we're going to be shifting it, Darlington, it sounds like.

You think. I mean, I think so. Three and four. As a driver. You're going to hit start a finish line. It's going to sound like you're poking up. Yeah. Yeah.

As a driver that loves Martin'sville. how crazy would it have made you to have to shift there all day long? I was so glad that I was not driving a cup part. Like I've been, I mean, in full disclosure, I've been working with a team to get some test time there. They're going with the organizational tests. And I think there's a wheel force car that I got an opportunity to drive. I don't want to do it.

If they're going to be shifting, I don't really want to go do that all day. So, and plus, I mean, what I would need, it would take me a couple hours to get up the speed. They can't learn nothing while I'm doing that. They need one of their guys in there that knows in it, then it's, you know, his experience with that to be able to do it right.

But, yeah, I wouldn't want to be, I wouldn't want to have been out there shifting and carrying on. That would have been so frustrating. Number one, you're doing a lot of work that you necessarily don't do. You don't want to be shifting if,

you know, you'd rather just not be shifting. You're pulling your hand off the wheel. And you're down shifting in the corner and trying to match revs and trying to get into the corner deep enough to, to, you know, you're breaking as well,

thinking about how much break pressure to you, and you put another car around you. You're dancing. Your feet are dancing down there in the bottom of the floor. And so you're probably not, you're probably not running any corner the same twice. And then you got,

you know, you gain on the guy, you get up under, you get a nose up underneath him and he just drives right by you on a straightaway when he's, as he's shifting away from you. It's, uh,

that have been, I don't know how the drivers got out and were as calm as they were and articulate as they were in the comments that I saw. Yeah. I figured it would have drove somebody. I would have been screaming. Yeah.

You were screaming on Twitter. I was a little bit. Yeah. No, did you block him yet? No. Was there anybody you around this weekend on Saturday all Friday night that impressed you? Um, I hate to say it, man, but that Ty Gibbs is a good driver. I know he, he's kind of, you know, they're in a conversation right now for, for duking it out on Pit Road.

But you can't take, you can't take it away from him. I mean, he's fast. He's got a great race car. Got a lot of motor. I got up underneath, I was beside him on a restart. He's got everything he needs as far as equipment to do what he's doing. But he doesn't make rookie mistakes. He doesn't drive too terribly.

I mean, he gives out there and wins races. I'm anxious to see him move up and see what he does. So you're impressed by him. Yeah. I think you've got to, if you peel away all of the controversy and drama, what you got is a really good race car driver. There's some past champions who have had these same past, I think, that tie has right now. And shooty one Daytona road course race like his first time there.

Right off the jump. Yeah. Yeah. And he's young. You know, he's not going to do everything the right way, right? You'll make some mistakes when you're that young. Yeah. In terms of how you handle controversy, drama, what you do, decisions you make when you get out of the car.

But dude stood up for himself. Tell you what, he's got a mean right hook. He gets to take it. Yeah. Don't you worry. We'll talk about it. I was really surprised by the accuracy of his. He was pretty pinpointed.

Dude. I mean. Yeah. Most time, they miss so bad. I mean, we saw Noah when he went up to Hamrick, Atlanta. Big miss. He was aiming, but he missed him. Yeah, he needed to be a little quicker with the jab deal there.

Tie. Tye was like, there's a ride. Tie threw a combination. He did it. He did a three piece. And the left, wasn't it? He threw like four of them. Yeah. He was still going for the gut when he was going down.

They were pulling them apart. Yeah. So a long time ago, on my 30th birthday, I went. You might have been there. I blew a motor. I had a boxer, a champion. I think Arturo Gotti was a champion in a 147, 150-pound level.

Dude is at my house, right? Paperview freaking legend. And so he showed me how to throw a punch that night. We got in my boxing ring, a bunch of us. And ended up, it's a long story. But he showed me how to throw a punch, man. And Ty seems like he's been getting some lessons. Well, Harrison Bergen admitted last year on this podcast that when he got his butt walk,

that Toyota put him in MMA classes so that if he got in that situation again Are you serious? Oh yeah, I'm serious. He admitted it on this podcast that they put him in MMA lessons so he wouldn't get his butt kicked. Gale!

So now we've got to figure out how much do those costs? Our budget is... We cannot afford MMA lessons. Just make sure you're prepared for all... I'm going to have to ask Chevy to handle it. Junior Murchase has not have that. Just get your boxing ring back out.

We'll get Mitch Lash to teach. Remember he had a mean right hook. So you know, night, somebody got in there with Pigeon. No, somebody got in there with... Ross Coleman, Bullrider. Yeah, that's who it was.

Oh, yeah, yeah. Dude, it looked like his neck was on a rubber band. I was like, dude, you gotta stop. All right. Yeah, so I've watched Arturo on TV, right? Watching Box, right? And what I saw that night in that ring with Ross Coleman, a bull rider, was just like what I saw on TV.

They went as hard... He flipped the switch. Yeah, he did. So he was playing with us. We were just kind of having some fun, showing us how to throw some punches. and then Ross so Ross Coleman

Bull Rider PBR all those guys in the PBR are nuts nuts nuts all right so when you get when I would take Ross to the bar

he didn't get a fight at the end of the night he started fighting when we walk in a door just get it over there yeah and so I'm like man

we just sat down and he's already he's already headed over to the front door to see if the bouser wants to throw both through hands and they're crazy

so he's like yeah I'll get in the ring with him and that's They go hard. And so I had this little timer that would stop after a minute. That's a long time.

Yeah. They went for a minute swinging hard. And so the bell rings and they back to their corners. And I go over and I'm like, Ross, you're all right? And he's like, he knows we playing. Don't he? And I was like, man, I don't know. I don't think so.

I don't think so. I was like, do you want to stop me? He's like, no, I'm good. I'll go some more. I walked over to Arturo. And I was like, Arturo, man. It's my buddy. He's like, hey, man, he came at.

He came at me with his hands up. He's like, I don't know but one thing. Fighter flight. I can't half throttle this. And it was amazing, man. We had a lot of fun. Ross got whooped. Brad Arnold from three doors down.

He got in there. He got laid out. He didn't know where he was when he was getting up. Dude, I got on with Josh Snyder. Worst thing ever done. Josh's a big boy. Oh, yeah, you're telling me. Yeah.

You know, you're playing, right? Yeah. I went to the next race. with a black eye. Yep. There's a picture on the internet of me with a helmet on at the next race with a black eye. Blacked out. Yeah.

Oh, you can see it. Oh, yeah. Your PR rep must have been thrilled. So I was in there boxing. You thought we were playing. I mean,

things are going okay. And then I was like, what's that shadow? Keep seeing something in my peripheral. And I'm like, what is that? It was my forehead. Swelling up.

I went in the bathroom. and I'm looking at a beer. I'm like, damn, somebody cut me. Somebody cut me. Get the swelling down. I was so proud. I was like, look at this. It was like 4 o'clock in the morning.

We've been out at the bar all night drinking. Everybody was, everybody was... We shouldn't have been in that way at all. That's hilarious. That was the thing. T. Jake could tell you. It's bad. Every week, we'd probably, you know, on a Tuesday or Wednesday night, we'd get, you know,

15, 20 people together and start drinking. And by two in the morning, we were at the boxing. somebody's in there's going who wants to fight. Like that's smart, right? And we were like, TJ, get in there with him. I got in there with Josh.

I got in there with Josh. It took a little coaxing, but you'd eventually get them in there. Yeah. And they would go, you know. Yeah. I got in there with, it's fun.

We had our own little. You know, Travis and Farland? Fight club. It was. It was like a fight club. I got in there with him and I, and I hit him one time. I hit him twice.

And then he batted on me. He's like, oh, I'm done. I'm out. And he walked off and he quit. that probably TJ's pretty good. There was another guy

who used to get in there with a lot that was about your same size I forget his name but there was another boy in there that would scrap with TJ all time I don't know

but he would yeah DJ would get in there probably PJ probably had about a dozen fights legit you know that's good

I don't know it's just fun I mean you you didn't really want to get in there but it'd be how about you're getting there with him I find I'm doing it we had head geared

yeah sometimes it works sometimes sometimes yeah it was fun I mean it was I was nervous when God he was in there though

I was probably the most nervous I had been because I saw Ross's head reaching levels that I didn't think it could reach back at and I'm like it's not good

and there's some good fight so well Dale how about you stick around for the rest of the show you're sticking around the whole time oh yeah well you guys have been threatening him I think Brett

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I'm spot on. Are you joking me? He's lost his mind. Oh, and by the way, no one ever seems to agree. And then spot off means you disagree. Spot off. Here we fucking go. This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

But if you're T.J. Um, uh, uh, there's only one correct answer. I don't know. It's time for spot on, spot off. All right, Dale, I'm throwing you into the fire. Spot on, spot off. Denny Hamlin blames the design of the car for the lackluster short track racing so far, saying there's no easy fix.

It would take a complete redesign to try to figure something out. I might have to say spot off because I can't. There's truth in some of that, I think, but I don't know if it's as gloom and doom as he makes it out to be. Like I'd have to sit down with Denny and say, man, come on, a complete redesign. really, is that necessary? Because it's really four tires and a steering wheel. It's still all kind of the same theory. I think, you know, maybe after a couple days, he dials back that emotion a bit and

thinks, man, maybe there's a few key things that can get changed that might make a big, might help things a lot. But I think, again, you know, the weather and everything played a big role in that. The Xfinity car, it was cold that night. It wasn't fun to, you know, get. get the car to turn, track was tight, couldn't pass, or was hard to pass, then I remember it in the cup car for years. So I'd have to say spot off.

I mean, I think he's, I think we definitely need to change something, but I don't know if it's start with this complete new redesign. I don't remember him saying this in Victory Lane in Richmond a week before. Do you? No. No, I don't either. I'm spot on for him being frustrated, right, and letting us all hear it and see it. But at the end of the day, he ran 30th.

I mean, he was back there racing us three and four laps down. So frustrated Denny Hamlin commenting. I have to look at Good Year here as one of the biggest things to challenge them to say, hey, our tires have to slow down. There's no reason we're 40, 50 laps into a run and still running the same pace we were 15 laps into a run. I want to see a second plus a fall off when we go back there. And to me, that's on good year. But also, I mean, the surface was cold.

It wasn't rubbering up, all those things too. But give me a different tire. I don't know what you're talking about. Everything Denny says is right. I don't know. You haven't experienced this. No, obviously, this is directly related to how he ran in the race. And I think I backed Brett up with, you know, when I got to the hauler for our pre-race meeting,

they talked about they're like, the pace just isn't going to fall off today. They said, you know, in past, years past, we've seen a second of falloff in 25 laps. We're looking at two tents now. He said, so you kind of had that inkling that. And the reason why the race was terrible for that matter is because they were all going so damn fast. You know, there's no tire fall off. If even the races, we've seen years past to them other packages where, I think it was Martin led a shitload of laps, like 400 laps or something.

I think Bradra won a race where he led 400 lapses and my dad. Even those races as bad as the leaders dominated, the middle of the pack was still a good race. You know, but this deal here was just, I mean, Chase ran us down. We were running 18th, 19th. TJ was right in front of me. He caught us with 50 to go on the stage and couldn't do anything with us. Like, you know, we were, he's probably a half as, you know, three tenths better than us throughout that run. But as soon as he got to us, he just, he was stuck back there.

You just, and like Bubba just said, I'm better than these guys in front of me. But this, you know, arrow balance was way different this time. I felt like versus years past where you could get to a guy and that was it. Like you just have to wait until any kind of tire falloff would come into play. So it would be like a hundred laps. We would ride back behind somebody, ride behind them. And then around that 75 to 100 mark, you could finally start to make a little progress when their tires just fell off a hair more than yours. Yeah, I'm spot off because I don't think the car needs a whole new redesign.

I'd like to see it fall off. Everything you guys have said, the tires need to wear, speeds need to slow down. I told Brad really earlier that I saw guys getting tight right past the center. If you're in the wake,

if you cross the wake, it was really bad. So that concerns me. If you take shifting out of it as well, I think the racing gets better. I don't think you need a whole new car. I just think you need to adjust a few things. I felt like the shifting

just played into the fact that how fast they were going, you know, like that's just contributing the entire time being down, you know, so the faster they go, we talk about this

at the mile and a half, anywhere we go. The faster they're going, the racing kind of suffers. As faster the corner speeds are, the racing suffers. So I just feel like we need to get to a package where we have tire fall off and we're off throttle time. We just need to maximize off throttle time to make the racing better. It looked like they were in qualifying getting into the corner.

Oh, yeah. Just dive bomb. All that's just, just holy. You can't get position on a guy if you can't beat him into the corner because everybody can get in so deep. We scared Bubba one time in the three because Bubba shot to the bottom in front of us. There was a gap between us in the car and Brad just sent her off into three. You know what we needed in that cup race?

We didn't think he was going to make the corner, but he did. We needed Joe Graff in that cup race. He would have made it exciting. Because he wrecked the hell out of everybody next race. You know what I told? Just drive right into the left rear. I think I said on Channel 2, right before he started his parade there of wrecking cars. I said, man, the 07 is really bad tonight.

And he went and wrecked like three cars. We needed him. He'd have made it fun. Yeah. Oh. Neither Austin Dylan nor Joe. Lugano rough William Byron up on the overtime restart, spot on, spot off. Brett.

Man, I still love the integrity of racing. You know what I mean? I love a good clean pass, but we saw, you know, we've seen several times this year that not come into play. I mean, you look at Ross Chastain's code a win. I know you're going to bring it out. The way he knocked the crap by them guys. But at the end of the day, like, I think the leader was just so fast and had so much

breaking power. And the tire is so big and wide. I just don't think they could rough enough, even if they tried. So I'm spot on for Jason putting this on the show. But at the end of the day, I don't think there's anything you could do. We didn't see a pass for the lead all night. Yeah, I assure you they wanted to. You know, they were trying to.

The three just got a terrible restart. He was kind of out of the equation by turn two. And Joey got back there. And I think that if William kind of messed up the exit of four, and if he did not, I don't think Joey would have ever got anywhere near him. But Joey just kind of had to overdrive the middle of one and two just to try to get to his bumper. And he got in him a little bit. But like we talked about, they're locked in a racetrack.

He wasn't going to upset him. And then he tried again. three and four, but couldn't even get there that time. So, but I think if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, , if, if, if, if, if, he knows the exit of four coming to the white, Joey never even gets close. Yeah. I'm, uh, I'm, uh, I'm spot off because, well, I saw, he hit with the old car, Joey hit William hard enough that it should upset him on the exit of the corner, maybe what I,

from what I, from what I, from, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I agree with you guys. I think that if Joey could have roughed him up, he would have. He was ready to do whatever it takes. We've seen Joey do that. He's definitely got it in him. And couldn't do it because the car, you know, the car wouldn't allow it. The grip wouldn't allow the tire.

It just, you know, the 24 just knew he just needed to run a tidy corner. He almost ruined it and blew it. He tried. With Joey Lugano behind him, he missed. Like, no. But his mistake in 3 and 4 coming to the white, is what made him sort of shorted up and make sure, hey man, I'm getting a good drive

off of two and he did and that was all he needed. Brady, I think a lot of people listened to the show last week after this next topic. Sam Mayer bumps Ty gives up the track in the final corner competing for the $100,000 bonus. They both lose it and Ty starts punching Sam

with his helmet on afterward. Ready? I mean, I hate to say, I told you so. But, you know, this was coming. I mean, anybody that watches Racing knows that eventually somebody's going to give back to Ty Gibbs, what he's been giving everybody else for half a season. He'd go back to last year a little bit.

But, you know, it's, he kind of reacted the way I expected him to. And listen, the whole reason, you know, how's that? What do you call that? What do you mean? How did he act? Well, you know, like he expected him to. But, you know, here's my biggest thing. And, you know, the same thing we talked about Byron.

This probably doesn't, he, he, Jones got in the back of him in one and two on a restart. and Ty got cleared on the backstretch and he went down in the three and he blew the corner also and that brought Jones back into the race which then in turn brought Mayor to his bumper and listen they're running for 100 grand I have no fault on the racetrack with anything Sam did

he got in the back of him ran him out of the racetrack you know ran out of room off of four my biggest issue with this whole deal and it's gonna be it's got nothing to do a pit road this long before they got the pit road was Ty Gibbs took a perfectly good car that just dominated the race and destroyed it down the backstretch

by running into the back of Sam Mayer like I think if he ever gets a penalty for this that that's what the penalty is going to be for because that, you know, that's just, one, it's unsafe, two, it's dumb. There's a lot of man hours that went into both the 54 and the eight, the one car, you know,

that these are two really good race cars now that you've just wrecked after the checker flag because you're throwing a temperate because the guy moved you out of the way, which, oh, by the way, you just moved, you know, you wrecked Ryan Sieg three weeks ago. You damn, you just wrecked, you know, John Henry moved in. Ran your teammate in defense for a winner, Richmond.

Like, this is what we talked about last week. You dish it out, plenty. You don't, and then you get out and say, oh, you know, it's hard racing, whatever. Listen, Sam's going for $100,000. What did you think? He was just going to let you have it? I don't understand.

So that's my biggest. And I'll let you guys kick off the fight stuff. But my biggest issue with the whole thing was, I don't understand how you can take a perfectly good race car, just dominated the race and blow the nose off it down the back straight away because you're throwing a temperature change because the guy moved you on the last lap. I remember Jeremy Mayfield moved your dad at Pocono for the win. And it was like, live by the sword, die by the sword.

I mean, your dad made the bump and run. Get the fuck out of my way famous. I think the racing here is awesome. I think where Sam messed up is he got out of the. the car he had his helmet on, Ty had his helmet on, and Sam proceeded to take his off. And at that point, in Pageland, South Carolina, you're at a disadvantage. You're getting into a fight that doesn't have any rules. And Sam only had one opportunity here, really, to protect himself. And that was to grab Ty by his helmet. And then he's got him. Then he can do whatever

he want because he's got him by his head. But when he kept on pushing him, and then once he started firing him blows, man, I was like, wow, this kid can freaking fight. I'm spot on for all the drama though but at the end of the day Sam mayor moved the guy for a hundred grand and didn't even win a hundred grand that's what sucks yeah I like the drama so to kind of go back to before the fight

what I saw on the backstretch with the 54 running into one was was interesting because it was my initial my immediate reaction I keyed up the mic and told the TJ I was like he can't take it he can't take it he can't take it dude's addition it out look he can't take it I saw him off a four running each other

up the racetrack and then after the race, he just went berserk. Yeah. And I'm like, man, you know, you got to be able to hate thinking that moment and say, well, you know, I've kind of put myself in this situation. If I'm going to be aggressive, I got to be able to handle it when it's coming back the other way. And we know, not everybody knows, but we know that, like, him and Sam been duking it out for a long time. Yeah, I said it on here last year, they hate each other. They do.

They do not like each other. And their careers are kind of on this collision course, right? And I'm sure they're going to collide some more before this season's over with. And, but I'm all for that. I think everything that happened on the racetrack, I'm not, I don't think there's any need for any kind of a penalty or any kind of, I mean, even for NASCAR to take them into the truck, be kind of careful what you say. Don't, don't dial these boys back, you know.

Let these guys do what they want to do. Everything that happened on pit road gets judged by a quarter of public opinion. You know, don't let, you know, unless it gets unprofessional to a severe degree, that's when NASCAR kind of needs to step in and say, look, you're making us look bad. Some people might think that's what happened on Friday night. So speaking of that, I mean, this is the perfect track to talk about it. Was Matt Kenseth too unprofessional to get kicked out like he did? I think what Matt did is a bit over the line, you know, in terms of going back out on the track and riding around, waiting on somebody to come by and taking them out.

And the guy's leading the race. I know you're mad because you got wrecked. I know you feel like you got wrong in that situation. That is a no-no. So you think that was a fair penalty for what Matt did? Because, I mean, you just said it, right? There's a line. And at some point, that wasn't unprofessional what we saw on Friday night.

I don't think so. But Matt's was. Matt's was. Yeah. I think so. Even the safety aspect of hitting after the race? Well, you know, when it. They're mad.

Yeah. I think on the racetrack to, and we saw Danny Hamlin come up and run into the nose of 48 car after that race last year. Yeah. That was okay in my book. Kind of same thing, right? I think when it comes on, if they come on the pit road, right, then that's the problem. If he's running into him on pit road, pushing him down pit road, you know, things like that,

that can get any time against where, you know, you're in dangering crew members or NASCAR fishes and so forth. But coming down, after the checker, you know, it's a short track, you know,

I mean, he don't have a lot of time to go over and hit him. So he's trying to get to him, hit him on the back straight away. I thought that was, you know, I wouldn't do that or maybe I would do that. I don't freaking know.

But I didn't think that's, that's not like a penalty situation for me. The fighting on pit road, Sam, you cannot let that boy get too short. He might, I mean, if he gets one, that's fine. You cannot let him come back and hit you again. Yeah, and again.

That's my bunch. That's too many. It was, yeah, it was a couple times. You can't. And Sam grabbed, had him, I think Sam had him by the leg or something. I don't know, man. We got work on that. You got to work on the fact that, like, it's, and it looked to me in the one,

you can almost hear Sam yelling out of him and take his helmet off. And it looked to me like, Ty almost started to unbuckle. And that's when Sam shoved him. And I'm like, wait, let him get his, don't start the fight with the guy that's still got his helmet on because if if if if if you want to fight me hey let's fight because I'm going to be only one of them woke up with a black eye the next day and it wasn't a guy with a helmet on but you know and i going back to the sam and you know we talked about on here last year about sam and tie just don't like each other i don't know where that roots from it's cane an arca whatever but it i was what

found myself wondering after the race if a j almondinger does that to tie gibbs on the last corner and booms him out of the way is tie going down there swinging at a jay i don't think so i don't you know i think that's just that's just something with the two of them is oil and water and we need rivalry though. I mean, I know I won the cars, but I'm all for all the things that are happening because it's going to people, next 6thinity race, we're going to have some people tune in just, and they'll be watching just to see if anything happens. And it will.

I talked to Sam on the phone the other day, and he's like, I'm good, I'm good. It's behind me. I'm going to move forward. I'm going to do whatever. That's mature. Have they talked? I don't know. Well, they talked that night a little bit, but in the lounge.

Yeah, they did. Sam said they had a conversation. in the hauler and he said Sam said that he walked into the holler and Ty was already there and Ty had his head down looked like he'd had his had a bit of a butt chewing

I'm not sure if that happened or not but he said they had a conversation in there and they shook hands and they put it behind them but I know that when they get back on the racetrack they just hate each other enough that if one even if one doesn't even mean to rub them the wrong way it ain't going to take much for it to get

started again because neither one of them wants the other to get you know had the last laugh neither one of them wants the other to feel like they got one over and so uh this will continue and then it gets interesting as far as how you control your driver right how you what is joe saying to tie what what do we do with with sam to sort of kind of keep his head in the game but also he's got a sharp class first of all yeah maybe we need some boxing lessons for sure um but you know how much do you let them stand up for themselves and and rough the other guy up without really taking away from the really ultimate goal trying to make a run at the championship.

I think it's great. The only thing I don't like is, that you guys already mentioned it is the fact that Ty gives and when he receives finally, and it wasn't even a bad receive. Like, he didn't even get a wrecked. He didn't get a wrecked, no. I mean, he destroyed Ryan Seag's race in Las Vegas. And, I mean, it's got moved up to racetrack a little bit.

It's just, like Sam said, that's just short track stuff, man, short track. And like your guy says. Yeah, I mean, you got to, you got to be able to, if you're going to dish it out, you better be able to take it. Yeah. So that's my only thing with it. Moving on, RFK loses their penalty appeal. Brad says the cause was a repaired tail panel since they didn't have enough. Says everybody's right and everybody's wrong at the same time.

TJ, spot on, spot off. And be like, Freddie, I don't know. Brad's great. I don't know what you mean. Yeah, I didn't. I mean, I don't know all the details about it. still. Yeah, you do.

I don't know anything. You know what you're talking about. You know more than anybody at the stable. Exactly. Feel it. Can you all repeat that again? Say that again. There we go.

Is that? Only about this body. Your damn Penske logo is coming back. I can see it. Look, with this new car, obviously, they're not messing around. Don't, you know, don't try to fix things or do whatever, you know, if they see any, any sort of, you know, thing fixed with maybe a possible advantage or who knows. you know, they're not going to play around the new car, which is fine.

Now they have to stick to the standard now, though, like, that has to stand. So we'll see how that goes forward. I mean, I'm spot on just for the fact that, I'm spot off for. Listen, we know that, okay, it was a part you couldn't get. We had to repair it. But let's be honest. Anytime anything's ever been repaired in our sport, it's been repaired in a way for an advantage for yourself. You know, this isn't like, I don't know if maybe this is repaired to the,

letter of the law that you don't get this penalty. But what I was, right straight as a book. I was cut out there for a second. Yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure there was a reason why this penalty was back. And we talk there was, there's reasons why we're not allowed to add pieces to our car anymore, you know, on the DVP policy because we would make our stuff better on pit road, you know, but what I want to ask Dale about now. We asked Murphy about it last week. Do you think, and this has kind of been the topic on social media, do you think NASCAR should make these penalties public with this new car right now of, of, you know, what they did to help avoid,

have other teams avoid this mistake? Yeah, I think so because, um, You know, there used to be a table outside of the hauler, the NASCAR hauler. Yeah. You'd go to Dayton. Yeah. Where all the parts would be, whatever they confiscated. You could go, anybody could walk into the NASCAR hauler and say, I want to see what you took off of that car. And they'd have it.

They'd pull it out of the cabinet. So here it is. Take a look at it. And, you know, I thought that was a pretty good way of keeping everybody honest and policing the sport a little bit naturally. I think that it would be interesting for fans to know kind of what kind of ingenuity and creativity is going on. But I guess my question is for Brad or is Coochie, like Miller and those guys are right up the street. You know, if you're worried about this, why wouldn't you say, hey, come take a look at this or I repaired this? Here's a picture of it.

Or are you guys going to have a problem with this? They could have put themselves in a different situation where, hey, man, we ran this. this by you, your guy looked at it, then maybe this penalty isn't so severe. Maybe there's no penalty at all. But yeah, I mean, you can't, I don't think, I think they know better now, I guess, that you can't repair parts and then expect to take them to the track and NASCAR not go, hey, you know, you can't be messing with this. You messed with it. Even if you did try to fix it. And like you say, everything we're going to fix, we're going to try to fix and make it faster. So it's a, it's a whole new, it's a whole new ball game. TJ's right. They set a press,

they got to follow it going forward. They got to be as strict as they were with Brad and them on everybody going forward. But, you know, Brad and them could have put themselves in a different situation by going, hey, we got a problem. We got to fix this. I can't get parts. Nobody can get anything to new. That's a problem across the whole sport, even in Xfinity series.

We can't get body parts. I want the door off of the car I ran Friday night. Got some nice donuts on it and want to hang it up on the wall. Yeah. We can't have it. Can't have it. We don't have doors to give away, right? So, because we're way behind.

And you're behind because cups behind, right? Is that fair? Yeah. Yeah. So the manufacturers can't produce it. Yeah. Right. And so this is not, this is a problem, serious, serious problem for the cup side because

their parts are all manufactured parts. You know, they don't make anything in house. And so that's a, that's a big problem for them going forward. But I think it's a severe penalty. I like NASCAR ruling with an iron fist. I like them being mean when it comes down to, you know, when you break a rule, you're going to pay. Don't, you know, I don't, the appeals process is kind of quirky.

That's what I was going to ask you as an owner. Why can you never win an appeal? You can. We won one at Darlington with the nine car. Yeah, there's only like two ever. There's like two ever. Yeah. Somehow we did.

Of course we did. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And the other one was Gilles seven years ago. Only two. history. You know, the appeal process is interesting, you know, and one thing that's good about it,

I know that when we hear the names of these people that are on the appeals, we're like, who the hell? Yeah, who's that? And what do they know? You can obviously look at them and go, they don't know anything about the race car, right? But when the, it's actually the best way to do it, because they can look at it from a completely unbiased perspective and say, well, I read the rule and it's not, you know, it's not being broken.

So NASCAR has to go back and rewrite this rule for me to understand that this part is illegal. And so, you know, it's kind of nice to be able to do it the way to do it. And they got two layers, right? They got the committee and then the final appeal officer.

So even though it's kind of, the names are kind of funny sometimes who's on the appeal panel, but I think it's a good process. I did. When I saw the names, I was like, I know. I wanted to make a joke,

but it's, I don't need to be making those type of joke. it is right though that they're not in they don't live it every day though so it's they're not seeing from yeah the racer side yeah we're at that point we're beyond really looking at it from you know the way racers look at it and now it's kind of uh hey is this rule written in a way that you would you would say this is an illegal part and and then you know somebody walking down the street can tell you that's no i don't understand this rule you got to rewrite that we could argue the yellow line rule like all day from both sides i mean both sides

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About them racing on Easter Sunday? Spot off, man. I think we need Easter Sunday. Oh, thank God you said that. I thought it's going to knock you out of that chair for this. We don't need, no, man, we need to be at home with our families, hiding Easter eggs in the yard with our kids. It's tradition.

Yeah. Sunday night at that. Not even like, you know. Yeah. So that's all day, right? You don't even run the race and be able to get home to do anything. And it's a dirt race. We'll get home at 4 in the morning.

A rain shower ruins this. So TV raises their hand and said we want to do this. NASCAR raises their hand, said we want to do this. The buck stops it. somebody. Like, who is the idiot that had the final say that said, yeah, this is a great idea. Let's race on Easter Sunday at night. Well, I think... Like, who is that?

I think... There's Dale X, Dale. I think TV runs the show, man. I mean, the TV networks decide when we're racing, what time of day we're racing. They put them, you know, they pay NASCAR enough money that they have that authority. And NASCAR really has to be malleable. and move and mold in whichever direction the networks want to go, you know. And so...

I thought you liked this iron fist thing. Hey, they put themselves in that position when they accepted that giant check. Yeah. And so... Okay, yeah. That's good. You know, we look, you know, everything about it, the stages, all those, a lot of the things that have come into the sport are driven, driven really by the network.

Playoffs. Yeah. All that stuff. Yeah. I never, you know, thinking about it to me, like, I don't have kids. So, like, Easter's not a huge holiday for me, you know, growing up, it was kind of, you know, was obviously, but it hit home for me yesterday when Brett's daughter Jovi was driving my drunk ass around. And she made a comment to me. Megan made a comment about Jovi's nails were pastel

colors or something. And Jovi's like, yeah, Easter's my favorite holiday. And I'm like, wow, that sucks because now I know Brett's not going to be there for her favorite holiday. You know, so like, I don't understand what, this was always a, this was a circled on our calendar. We're going to be off on Easter every year. My sister got married two years ago. And she's like, do you know the schedule? How far I do the schedule? I'm like, well, the only thing I know for sure is we're going to be off on Easter Sunday, you know, and luckily that was last year because obviously that would have threw a big wrench in the plans this year. But, you know, it's just like Dale said, you know, it's Easter Sunday. I don't know. I don't understand why we're, why we're racing. I'm spot off.

I was waiting for Brett to say something else done to get called to the hauler. I'm just major spot off. I mean, I want whoever made this decision to come sleep with me in the Hampton Inn on Saturday night, hang out with me all day Sunday waiting 14 hours for a race to finally start at 745. And yeah, that's, that's, I don't want that got to be at home with kids. I think you should have to do that. You know what's scariest about this stuff is that one rain shower now, you can't put the air tightens out there at the dirt track. Yeah. And I will give,

I'll tell you what, ma'am, those airtightans at Martinsville, they drive that damn racetrack. 20 minutes. Holy cow. What were they before? You know, they were, they were called something before the airtights. Jet dryers. No, no, no, no. They had to change the name because it was a manufacturer

like the... Yeah, what was it? I don't remember. The vehicle that was actually attached to it, they called it that. Yeah. It was a type of Toyota or something. I can't remember it. Yeah, you're right.

And then they had to stop calling them that because they changed manufacturers. It started pulling. Didn't they sponsor the, they sponsored it? It was a service, was it the service master clean or something like that? I don't remember. Hey, did you watch IndyCar race yesterday? Sorry, did you watch any of it?

I did. So they, did you watch any of it at all? No, sir. They showed the straightaway. At the end of the race, there was a yellow near the end. They showed the straightaway. There was one lane clean. like one lane and that there was so much tire rubber on both sides like I don't know how many would

it it was big chunks too like and we we broom like we brush just staying off all the time but like there's huge like back in the day when those rubber chunks you can see them yeah they're gigantic I was going to say that during the BS section like jimmy actually said it in his interview where there was probably about an inch of tired debris on the side and they contemplated pulling out the caution at one point but they wanted to give everybody a chance to pit which kind of messed everybody's plan up. So I thought it was interesting

how NASCAR takes out of approach from a caution standpoint where Indy car just holds off as much as possible. That was something that I noticed too about our race on Friday night was how long the cleanups were for all that.

I know those wrecks were kind of unique and big, but godly, I felt like it was 10 laps of caution every time we had a question. That red flag at the end. Oh, yeah. Yeah, the red flag was a while. How about they yelled at Josh?

That's why I said Josh was getting caught. Because he was in the way. Yeah. Hey, Josh, man. You got to leave the lane. You're the only guy. He's on the bottom of the track and everybody's going on the curb to go around you. I was just glad Justin was not an IRBC car because he was in three wrecks and the same wreck in turn one.

He got in the big wreck and then he backed into us and then he ran across the fours. I saw your tweet. I mean, he just kept wrecked. He just kept wrecked. How do you think he gets out of there without? I'm sorry, you got backed into. Did you a precious car. Just nailed me right at door.

But I was just glad he didn't mess up our beautiful DBC. There was an accident. Because that doorboard of clear car is gorgeous. I crafted and deleted a tweet. I'll reply to that. I better know. Didn't want to get blocked? I love it.

All right. Back on the Bristol topic, Kyle Bush says he wants to cut the cord on the Bristol dirt race and reiterates Richard Petty saying that dirt takes our sport backwards. Freddie. Kyle's great too. I forgot to mention that. I think this is kind of like we talked about Danny not liking this Martinsville race.

This is Kyle. Is one of the best at Bristol. would probably like to see two Bristol concrete races back on the schedule. I don't know about this step back for dirt. I think the biggest thing for me, my just personal, and I'm sure they all knows the same thing,

short track and wise, like I just hate this lose a short track for a dirt race. You know, if you want to take another day, if you want to give us two bristles, two Martinsvilles and then make a dirt race somewhere else or a third Bristol and take another date away, I'm good with it, but I just hate the fact that we lose.

I love short track racing and we're losing a short track race. I mean, I guess it's still technically on a short track, but you're losing a short track race to have a dirt race. And that's my biggest takeaway from it. I say spot off. I was entertained last year. It's too early in the whole process to really know whether it's good for us or not. I think it does connect us to the dirt racing world.

They are absolutely, you know, there's a dirt racing universe, and then there's a stock car asphalt universe, and then there's the open wheel universe, and I think anything you can do to connect the two, the better. and they have made some profile changes to the racetrack and how they're going to prepare the track for this race. So we might see something a little bit different about how the cars react.

But I do agree, Freddie, about losing a Bristol race, you know, is tough. And that's that. I didn't love that about it. But, yeah, I think dirt racing, we could have a component of dirt racing in our Cup series and be fine. Brett, do you think it's ironic that, Kyle spends most of his off time out of dirt track with Brexton. You know, I'm spot on for Kyle's comments, to be honest with you.

I grew up going to Chester, South Carolina every Friday night, Lancaster, South Carolina, every Saturday night. I'm a huge dirt racing fan. But for some reason, man, when I would show up, you know, we'd leave Lancaster and we'd drive down to Atlanta to watch the cup cars and to be a kid to see those beautiful cup cars. I don't want dirt on them. I don't want dirt on a cup car. And I know that sounds crazy, but our sponsors pay a lot of money to have these beautiful brands displayed. And I just don't want to see us dirt racing. I mean, I tend to, I mean, Richard Petty said we spent all those years trying to get off of dirt tracks.

And now here we are going back. Do I love the fact that we could go run a dirt race somewhere for an exhibition? Maybe. But I don't love this being a points event. I don't love covering up my favorite short track in the country to go do this. I have to, and I know we got to be careful what we say about Kyle on this show. He gets sensitive sometimes. but I'm spot on for what he said.

I'm going back on right when I leave here. Yeah, we should. I'm going, because I'm spot on. I do, I don't like taking Bristol away. Bristol is a badass racetrack. I think we should be going.

I don't mind the dirt race, but I'd like to go to an Adora. I've been to Knoxville for a dirt race, and that's not going to work. That track is not, not friendly for trucks or stock cars, but I would like to go to Eldora. If this is such a big attraction

to the dirt world, right? If we're able to get that crossover, Dells talking about, which I like that idea, then this place will be sold out. Why don't we go to? Why don't we just change the dirt track every year? So if the dirt track industry

is going to support our efforts, then this race will be sold out. And if it's not, then they clearly don't appreciate us doing this either. I think that it's the wrong track. I do too. It is the wrong track. Yeah.

I agree with it. I think you guys are just better that, like you said, Bristol, you have to take away at race. I think, I think TJ has a point where if it's at, in actual dirt track. I mean... I think the place packs El Dorr

more than we could ever even imagine. I think... Well, there's a big affinity just for that track. I know, but that's where we should be going for it. That's where we should be going. What are these cars going to race like on dirt, Dale? Do you have any idea?

I think it'll be fine. I saw that video. I saw some video of freezing. Somebody was digging. Was that freezing? Yeah, it was freezing. I think it'll race like the car did last year. Yeah, I did.

It's really more about the track prep and the track holding water and... They got dealt of bad-handed cars last year with all that rain. Like it was dry, it was dried up. I got dusty. That had had been a miserable, miserable experience from a, from a fan's perspective. I love the race. Yeah.

I was miserable from the spotter's perspective. I tell you. Yeah. You couldn't see. Few were behind. Brett. Brett talks about the, you know, the mystique and, and, and aura of, of a dirt track like El Dora. That's what's missing.

We're missing that, you know, if we're going to race dirt, we need to, we need to be celebrating a historic facility that has a lot of amazing, you know, things from its past that and taking cup cars there and seeing how that works and being embraced by that community, right? We're not, we're not going to the dirt community when we go to Bristol. Yeah. And I feel like, and obviously there's probably reasons why this happened that aren't beknownst to us, but, you know, Tony and them guys, that first truck race there was single lane around the top and for the whatever we went there, six or seven years, it just continued to get better. they kept learning how to prep the racetrack

and now I felt like they had it great where we could run kind of anywhere around Eldor and then they go okay now we're going to Knoxville so like Eldor is just a perfect one because now we can go there with that knowledge and have a good race where the racetrack should you know they should be able to prep it and know where they tracked a lot of dirt

fans like you said like I remember the first Bristol first El Dor dirt truck race was madhouse you know and it kind of as we went on it kind of dwindled off a little bit but it was still good crowds but that first one was amazing and now if we went there with cup cars I feel like it'd be even bigger. You just remember that Tony started a series called SRX and that's where we're not going

back to. Hey, by the way, I should say that I don't think Knoxville got a fair shake with the trucks because Krauss was out there wrecking everybody. Yeah, you're Freddie's guy was a freaking pinball. I wasn't there. But I mean, the truck races are characteristically a little messier than cup races. You know, a cup guys might go there and put on a much better show. But an established dirt track that has some history that's like, when you think of dirt tracks,

What are the two most famous dirt tracks in the U.S.? Knoxville and probably Eldor, right? Yeah, probably. So to me, we need to be going there. Knoxville's a hell of facility. But so is Eldor. I've been to both of them. So that's where I think we need to be.

What the dirt crowd thinks where we should go? Casey? Or if we should have a dirt race at all, right? What are the dirt experts? NASCAR fans are going to follow NASCAR, no matter where we go. I truly believe that. But again, like you said, that cross-promotion, how do we... Well, maybe they're not embracing this race.

I think they are, though. I think Milbridge, we have, Chad has different truck guys racing every single week to get better for their cars. Yeah. In trucks and in Xfinity. So I really think that they're embracing it. I think they're just not giving the opportunity to bring dirt racing in the right way. All right. Moving on.

Mike Joy's tweet about why TV doesn't interview the driver in Victory Lane anymore. Man, this guy's so full of. And I'll read his tweet. Victory Lane got to be a joke. People drape a towel on the driver covering up his sponsors, put hats on his head, change them mid-interview, stack crap on the roof of the car, and even put a fence so he couldn't swat competing brands on his roof. Sad fight for TV time.

TJ. I would have to see Victory Lane because we're already on the elevator at that point. point, but yeah, I mean, that's a, he's got solid points. What does Victor Lane look like on TV now? I know they do the front stretch interview. Do they go to Victor Lane at all? No, they don't. So they used to put a mic right when he got out of the car.

They'd put a mic on him and they'd let them listen to like them thinking the guys and they would interview them for a short amount of time, but then they cut it out. So they don't go to Victor Lane at all. It's just front stretch interview and then they're gone. Yeah. And depending on timing, they will show the celebration. But if they're running short, they won't. Well, that's my biggest thing.

And I always looked for, and I mean, this happened, you diving into your crew guys. You know, that was my always, my, when I was growing up, like, yeah, the interview was, you know, what the driver needed to do to thank everybody. But like, I always looked to see how the driver, how excited he was to get with his crew guys and high five and all the guys that got him there. And I feel like you lose a lot of that. Now, obviously, you lose all of it if they don't say it at all. But like, that's always something that I looked forward to, even like the racist bubble one. Like, you know, that was, I wanted him to get out of the car and come, you know, give us a high five, a hug or whatever. and I like the emotion of the raw emotion of the interview right there

as soon as the guy's over, he's just done his burnout, whatever he gets out. And you got that interview. That's great. But you still want to, I still want to see him interacting with his guys. You know,

I feel like that's, that was always my favorite part growing up. Even Formula One, you see the, all the, whenever they stop their cars, they're going to see all their guys. They're all giving off stuff.

I want a podium on the front stretch. I do. I don't know about a podium. I don't think we need to do, I don't think we need to have second, in third place hanging out. But, you don't have a beer? You don't have a beer for a hug.

I mean, you know, it's just too, we're doing too much already. We don't need to copy the other people. I'm spot off. I think that I put out, I respond to his tweet. I was like, man, I miss being able to see that emotion. Nothing smoother than a car pulling into that big crowded Victory Lane and everybody sort of, you know, releasing all of that positive energy. driver gets out. He feeds off of all the people that are there around him. The interview that he

gives in that moment is better than what I hear on the front straightaway. They get out on the front straightaway. I'm not sure I've heard anything really compelling for many of the drivers that makes me go, yeah, this wouldn't happen if he weren't doing this interview right now. With that said, comments and replies to my tweet where, well, we, we, we, what if we move, you know, Victor Lane to the Front Straightway? What if that's where, you know, Victory Lane was at? because the fans like that proximity and that energy the ones in the grandstands. That's a small fraction of the entire fan base that's at the track

that's actually in, you know, at the front straightaway at the flag stand. But maybe that's the thing. You know, they got that big trailer they haul out there for intros. Maybe you bring that thing back out there. One of my most memorable Victor Lane celebrations was the All-Star Race. We win the race. Victor Lane was right there at the flag stand.

I love the fans being part of the celebration. I love the energy and all that coming from them. And I had my dad, the team, everybody that I usually have in Victory Lane, right? So maybe that's the answer is that we combine the two. They do it on a few races. Like championship weekend, they do. Right. The car move around the track and they'll do interviews at a certain point.

And it does work out really well. It does. You hear people, you hear the fans screaming. I do agree. I think from a sponsor's perspective, though, like I understand what Mike's saying about all the clutter and they're putting car toppers on the roofs and things like that. But that's also what pays the bills for the team and NASCAR. That was what, 2000 when you won that All-Star Race?

I'm going to be a traditionalist here and I'm spot off of these comments. I miss the driver having the opportunity to pull into Victor Lane and just sit there for a minute and get his thoughts together and a couple people to reach in and give high fives and get that signal to crawl out of your car. Like to me, that was commemorating the win. as good as it can get. And call me crazy. I'm not here for the TV aspect of it.

I'm here for the storytelling of it. And there's nothing better to see in that guy, get the nod of, hey, climb by that car and celebrate. He pops out. Boom, you see the confetti. You see the guy's screaming. You see the driver celebrating.

You see him jump down. And yes, he gave an awesome interview. Because he had a minute to collect his thoughts and realize what he had done. Because you guys are in the moment. I mean, you're in there by yourselves, this entire four-hour race.

And then you're, now you're going to celebrate by yourself too. Now, I'm not a fan of that. You know what I like? What I miss is when that guy is coming down pit road to get to Victory Lane and all the team members, guys that want to go out there. Like those are those guys that get a chance to come out there. And like he says, it leads up to a bigger moment. I mean, I remember Jimmy Johnson getting out knocking off car top or do I want to see that

happen? No. No, I don't want to see that happen. I want us to be respectful of what's going on. But at the end of the day, we got to tell the story. And that's the best way to tell the story from. me. I feel like at some point something changed to where, you know, back when, you know, you were

full-time heyday, whatever, guys drove, you know, they did their burnouts, whatever, then drove to Victor Lane. Now it seems like even before the on-track interview started, you would do your burnout and then you're getting out on the front stretch, you're running around, you're going to get the flag from the flag man. And I think that's probably what gave them the idea. Well, if this guy's out of the car running around anyway, let's just do an interview there while he's out of there.

So I feel like, like I have 100% agree with you. Like it was awesome to just watch a guy drive down, you know, do a burnout, whatever, even before burnouts maybe, but do a burnout, then drive down pit road, get the high-fies from whoever, pulling the victory lane. Like I said, now he's sitting there. The guy's coming to the window, high-fiving him. But I feel like a little bit got lost because they would, they would do their burnouts and now get out. Kyle standing on the hard. But even think about after the race, like I've invested four hours of my life. I want to hear from the guy that got crashed. I want to hear from the guy that ran third that had never run third before. Like,

let me, let me see the interviews. Like, we're in such a hurry to get off the air. That part also drives me bonkers. That's, so Freddy's, brings up a great point. The driver started going and getting the flag. That started becoming a thing, right? And now every, every driver's programmed to drive to,

you know, the flag man and gets a flag, right? And to your point, the reason why we do the interview on Front Straightaway is because TV's in a hurry to get off the air. The more races that we push on to big networks instead of like NBC Sports Network

or Fox Sports One, when it's on the big network, like Fox or NBC, they are in a massive hurry to get off the air and get the next programming back on. There's a whole, there's a whole other world out there that's ready to, you know, to put their show on.

NASCAR's not important, right? To them. And so they're screaming going, when's this coming off the air, right? And so NASCAR, we're, everybody on a TV truck and everybody's scrambling trying to close the show. So I think we got to find a way to at least give ourselves that 15 minute, half hour to do all this,

the proper way, get all the right guys interviewed. That drives me nuts. Same. When I get off the air and look at my phone and all I see is people complaining because we didn't interview second, third, fourth, fifth, or hear from the guy that's never running the top ten. I'm so frustrated for the fan at home that that's what he's thinking about right now, right? He should be sitting there going, man, I had a great time watching this race.

That's awesome. Not damn, why they had the rush off there? I've seen that the other night. Land and finished second. That's a career best for him in the infinity. And I don't think he ever, I mean, I've seen like Weaver in them interviewing him, but I don't think he has. ever got a TV.

Those guys understand that feet right there. That's unacceptable. And I, so, you know, figuring out how to get all that changed, be able to build in that time so we can have plenty of interviews and get all this stuff done that needs to be done, that deserves to be done at the end of the race, and reprogram the drivers to get them to where we want them to go, right? So they're not dragging their feet, waving their flag, or doing whatever is they want to do.

I'm going to tell you something, man, and I'm not saying this because you're sitting here. We're lucky to have you still so involved in the sport because you're in a position where you are paid by the network to cover the sport that you love, but you're still very honest. I mean, to sit here and say the things you just said, I don't know that all the broadcasters would be that transparent. Because obviously they want to have a job. They need to have a job.

You're able to be in a position to still be a race fan, a broadcaster, and still look at it from the 360. And when you say that, the fans at home are like, yeah. I mean, because that's what I want to hear too. TV shouldn't be in a hurry. Two weeks ago, you said he showed me allowed to broadcast because he's got a vested interest. and what's going on this race track.

You did say that. I agree. I don't know what I'm sitting here. From an Xfinity series racing standpoint, Dale Jr. should not be in the booth on during Exfinity race. I told them, I went into meetings today and I said,

I don't think I want to do a play-by-play this year because I, with four cars out on a racetrack, anything going, I don't need to be that guy. If something happens like we had, if what happened at Martinsville happened while I was in the booth, I don't need to be there. No. You don't need to be in that ball.

position for your sponsors. I don't think the fans won't be. We saw that even with, I think, Jeff and Harrison at a couple of times. You know, like, you don't want Jeff, like, if that's Harrison, like, you don't want Jeff in that moment. And he did a couple. He did a good job of, he's going to handle himself. You try to do your best.

Yeah. It's not fair to you. In that moment, you realize, like, someone else needs to be standing where I'm at. Yeah, for sure. All right, listen, we still got this dirty moe media ultimate experience for Charlotte wide open. Coca-Cola 600, May 29th, private suite, private suite. private parking, private bathroom, all the beer you can drink, couple shots of fireball,

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I think I'm going to make Jovi come work that weekend. I think I'm going to make her work in the suite. Let her see what it's like to be me for a day. Oh. I think she wants that. All right. Well, I don't think you guys want to miss this one. I can't imagine spending a race day any other way.

I don't know about you guys. I mean, the fringe benefits of it, you get your own private parking pass, which parking is always kind of a nightmare. I love their parking there too. It's the best. Yeah, it's the best there.

You get your own private bathroom, which 600 miles you're going to need it because you're going to drink a lot of beer during 600 miles, probably a shot of fireball. You might find that in your, in your, I don't even know what we call that little gift bag. A swag bag, bag,

all you can eat food, all you can beat, all the beer you can drink, all the beverages, I guess too. There's probably going to be water and soda, but who needs that? But I mean, like we talked about, we'll be there. Mike will be there. Casey will be there. Jordan Taylor, I believe, is supposed to show up.

He's also going to be. Jorts. I mean, listen, you better jump on this quick because there's not a whole lot of them left. So don't miss your chance here. If you want to go see the new car, and I think it's going to be a good race, we tested there. And I think it's actually going to be, it's a narrow track. I think it's going to be good. Why not have a great seat for it?

inside, like Brett said, all you can eat food, drink. Put your scanner on, listen to TJ's spot. Yeah, I mean, raffles. I think last, I'm assuming, like last time I think everybody that was in the sweet won A raffles. I know, it seemed like. You're going to leave there with some major swag, no matter what happens. Yeah. Cool swag.

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All right. Let's hear what our listeners have to say. in Reaction Theater. Engine, engine number nine. I'll tell you, if they don't hurry up and pick this track, I'm going to run out of beer and cigarettes. Okay, so, T.J., look at the

date all the time. Why we tell you this fucking data? Hey, Freddy, just letting you know we got the beige GMC out in the parking lot in case you want to have Bubba come out and hit us like you said everything out on the track. Hey, now, Jason, got a message for you. Get out of Downer's ass.

Reaction Theater. starts now. Asked Jr. This is going to be number one hit. I like it. I like it. I'll call on Little Lee. Ask Jr.

And he might answer back in an uninterrupted segment without Mike Davis and Matt. Asked June. Brick Griffin's favorite segment. Oh, no. That made my day right there. Hashtag Ash Jr. We've got the most talented listeners.

Jason has graduated. He's no longer the... Oh, boy. Get out of... Oh my goodness. That was good. That's very good. Thank you for that.

I can't be the only one who is absolutely tired of watching Haley D. Can get beat up every week on the track. Like, it's to a level of disrespectful at this point. Like, Johnny Sotterry, that was some bull crap, dude. Like, I get short track racing. I love some bumping and banging, but you can't just run somebody up into the wall because they're hanging tough on the outside. Like, that's bull-h-h-h-t.

TJ, you guys did a really great job getting the thing back in there for a top 20 finish. Freddie, you suck. Brett, you're the best. Allah. Well, that is true. She sent me some clips of a spotter lining up behind her telling the guy, his driver,

to literally drive through her, drive through it until she runs out of talent on a restart. That's great. That's good, huh? Who did that? I'm not going to say it right now. You cut it out of the show. but that's the way people run her.

Like they don't even try to pass her, but thanks for the, thanks for noticing. It happens a lot. Johnny said he got loose after the race. Not a word during the race. To me, that's just covering it up because you know if a driver messes up, right when you mess up,

what do you do? I'll tell that guy, I'm sorry. Would you come down and tell me at Fontana when Bubba cleaned out Brad? Hey, I know you know, but I'm just sorry. Bubba said sorry. Okay, well, that's all it is, man.

It's over. We can't change it, right? Yeah. There's no sorry. Oh, I got loose. No, you ran under the fence because you were trying to do it a little bit more every lap, the three laps of four. Yeah. I mean, that, I mean, obviously Haley gets a lot of it too, but that whole series from like eighth to about 15th is like the danger zone.

It's so bad. It's terrible. That's why I said Knoxville, you can't take the trucks to Knoxville and think you're going to have, you know, it's just bad habits. Tide Gibbs. He can dish it, but his ass definitely can't take it. Barely gets bumped out of the way. says that the one was getting in his face when clearly he gets out of the car go straight up mayor takes his helmet off right away because he's a man gibb just straight up sucker punches him in the face

then in the bull interview afterwards says oh i was on the other end of it anyway last week that's just racing well if it's just racing then why'd you go fucking punch him you are a bitch tj you're cool everybody else you're cool brett you suck this he didn't sucker punch him He's looking at him. Ty did say to do me. He was like, I just snapped. He snapped.

We noticed. No, I'm a big fan of NASCAR letting drivers sort that shit out. This Lewis. But one thing I will say is if you're going to be the one to throw the first punch, no matter how much you're getting pushed about. If you're going to throw that first punch, you make sure you take your helmet off. Because now you just look like a fucking idiot. Keeping your helmet on.

You just look like a bit of a Now I'm a Gibbs fan I like the kid But if you're gonna throw those punches Take your helmet off I need that guy on here for a segment every week I want that guy to leave like a voicemail for me I thought that was you

Is that how you doing a accent? I can't do that one I want that guy to give me like a pump-up speech in the morning Yeah After that Exfinity race At Martinsville mayor should have taken Tye's helmet off of his head And shoved it up his ass

Speaking of rear ends, Joe Gibbs needs to pull his head out of his own and stop prioritizing his freaking grandson over the rest of his drivers. How do you expect the rest of your drivers to do well when you've made it abundantly clear you do not give a shit about any of them except your own grandson? I have never in my entire life of watching NASCAR. I've seen a team owner look so disappointed and so upset after one of their boys won. I was going to say, didn't Brandon Jones win a race? Gary to say the same thing, but then he actually brought that up.

And I'm pretty sure Danny celebrated the week before. I think coach is a tough spot, man. He is. He is in a tough spot. You can tell him. I don't think he knew what to think. If you see the videos after him after the race, he's kind of like, do I go to Victor Lane?

Do I go to the fire? I don't know where to go. Ty was going to cross this bridge at some point. Oh. This was coming. Yeah. Some of these drivers these days, I just don't understand.

Get been a shape and inside. to make a stand. One thing that's changed from way back on end is we got little boys that pretend to be men. So take your helmet off. Don't be your little

you get a free shot because your granddad is rich. Take your helmet off. Take the headlighted man. If you didn't hear me first then I'm going to say it. take your helmet all Tykeeps take your him at all

People are upset about that, huh? I'm surprised at the volume. Now, I'm not surprised that people are saying it, but the actual volume of people saying it. I think it was because Freddie brought it up last week. I just think that, I think that Ty makes himself very easy to dislike, and then people just gravitate towards that. You know, if anything he does is going to be scrutinized

a little bit more than anybody else, just because of the way the last month has been going for it. He may as well just go full villain mode. Well, plus, that's what Jeff Gluck said on social media. He said, man, he might as well just be the heel and embrace it. Yeah. But I think the Helmadoff thing, too, is last year Chase and Harvick at Bristol. And there was a bit of a discussion after that about helmets on and off.

Yeah. Clem Newman. Same thing. Yeah. And so I think it's all kind of boiling over. Chad needs to stop simping for fucking Hendrick in the booth. This is ridiculous. like it is just so obviously

biased and he's like oh Lurz is coming back Larson's not even the top ten right now like what the fuck out of here man That was me sorry guys I didn't remember doing that I was pretty

yeah that was pretty just a couple beers I was pretty much what was that I honestly don't remember doing that I don't know thanks for calling it I've seen two things on the Cup series broadcast that pissed me off number one

this new car by the short track racing at Martinsville very boring but the part that said me over the top is when they zoomed in on the sign that said no more hot dogs that's the only thing that Martinsville is known for

and they went and they f***ed it up Jesus probably breathed at animal. It's bad on television. I don't know. Listen, yeah.

Martinsville, the prices in Martinsville for Hot Dogs is... $2. The best on the circuit. Like, Martinsville is awesome. They, I mean, they got a... Did you see the little thing that had set up on fans would come in the gate right there? They had clay, a stand-up of clay in the clock.

You could take a picture with it. Which is pretty cool. But, yeah, Martinsville. And I guess, I saw your tweet that, I guess there used to be a Taco Bell there. I didn't know that. somebody was telling me about, remember when you race there in a late model, they had a taco bell over underneath the grandstands in term one. And I did screw Hovis because, I mean, we went to around a late model race.

And if you qualify in the top 20, you get to enter a crew guy into the taco eating contest. And Hovis was pissed. I qualified 27th. We were the, we was 106 cars, 27th. First car to go on track. And I screwed him. So I'm sorry, Hovis. You would have done better if you weren't the first car.

Is that what you're getting at? No, I was nervous as shit, dude. I think the truth of the matter is is that Martinsville had better ticket sales than they anticipated. They sold more hot dogs they anticipated, so they didn't have enough. We had sort of the same thing going on at Atlanta. They didn't expect the crowd that they were going to get there this past year, and there was a lot of things that fell a little bit short in terms of amenities and so forth. So maybe they just didn't realize there was going to be that many consumed.

They're good. I know after my race on Friday, there was a bag of 30 of them some of guns on the roof of my car 30 30 wow yeah I I think it was the pit one that they showed on TV wasn't it yeah so that's not a surprise no boys were down there eating them all race long there was nothing else to do was a snow delay in the garage you can either get them all the way or plain there's like no in between yeah I can't do the all the way it yeah it struggles for me what part of it all of it I don't really I'm a kind of mustard guy like you don't like mustard ketchup chili that's how I get it yeah yeah me too and I that the slaw I had to just deal with it

and onions, but it's good. That was the most honest and insightful moment in 10 years on a Fox NASCAR broadcast. Clint prodding Chad to say, hey, why is the short track racing not been as good lately? And then Chad actually spoke it, the ride height rule. Oh my gosh, I'm sure they both spent the after the race in the NASCAR hauler. And the Fox producer dumped that race to commercial so fast once he said it. But my God, it made that entire race. It was, it was wonderful.

I saw some comments on social media about that. That's part of, that's one thing I'd throw into the bucket of, you know, something they could try to consider doing. He's raising the car up. Well, my grandpa wants a company so I can do just to what I want. Nobody's going to stop me from being a little... Jesus. When I throw my punches, I'm wearing my helmet.

My name is Todd Gibbs, and I'm a little... I didn't get to see Chebb at all this weekend. He's so good. The songs are getting more and more aggressive than they are. I think that's the end of it. That was, that was usually the finale. That was the most aggressive one we've had in a lot. That guy, that guy has written, he's wrote a lot of songs for us.

He's got an album. Yeah, he should. He should be the DVC. one of Jeb songs at the end of the year. That was great. Boy. All right. Well, you two can leave an audio message 24-7.

Just go to anchor. com slash door bumper clear and click the message icon. We'll keep playing the best ones each week on the show. Offer pad. Question of the week. Did the Easter Bunny stop by your home as a kid? And what was your childhood Easter like? Dale.

Super traditional. Baskets. Yeah. King. Cons. Now, we weren't really. doing the Easter egg hunts and hiding stuff, but just, you know, whatever.

There would be some at church or whatever, you know, something community driven. And then we'd have the standard stuff at home. DJ. Yeah, same thing. Get the Easter basket in the morning. Little things throughout the day. Usually me and my cousins when I was really little,

we all got together and had a big family Easter egg hunt. And that was kind of fun. But it's very traditional stuff as well. This is going to surprise y'all. Myrtle Beach, sunrise service, Ocean Lakes family campground Every single Easter Growing up, man

I'm actually leaving here to go to Myrtle Beach As soon as it shows over So yeah, my mom's down there That's why you're in such good mood I can't wait to get to Myrtle Beach But yeah man I mean that's my childhood memories of Easter His Myrtle Beach

Yeah same thing for me I think just baskets of chocolate Everywhere gigantic chocolate Easter bunnies I think we used to Easter egg home With like the plastic eggs And they'd be filled with change and dollars Yeah, it's fine one with a dollar or something

There was always one hidden that had like $5. Yeah. Or something like that. But yeah, just super traditional stuff. Well, go get a cash offer on your home today with our presenting sponsor, offerpad.com. Well, I am very excited to share that XPenity is back supporting DirtyMo Media and both Cale Junior download and DBC. But with DBC, we've got our Expinity X-Fi more than fast moments. So let's hit into our first one.

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But quick, you know, that's one. But obviously, shout out to William Byron, more than fast. Dominated the second half of that race on Sunday or Saturday night, excuse me, with the leg race restart to beat them guys. But he was on a rail. So that's my Xfinity, more than fast moment of the week. Here on Dornport, Clear, being more than fast is just a way of life, man. thankfully there's plenty of weekly action on the track for our XFinity X-Fi more than fast moments.

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and remember to vote for your favorite. What an idiot, man. All right. Time for What an idiot. Freddie. Your first. I hate to say that because his boss is sitting here with us, but I have to give it to Sam Mayer and only for the fact of you cannot give

an interview and say the guy's punch is weak as hell while your eye is swelling shut. You can't go out of looking like Rocky and Rocky 4 and tell him, I didn't barely felt that. You know, I don't know. I got to give you the award for that.

Oh, there's so many because you hear with the Sam, Ty, most of the truck series drivers. But I'll give it to, I'll give it the Dell Jr. Oh, what the hell again? Why? Yeah, I mean, you didn't yell at me this week, so you're kind of an idiot for another one guy. Those are usually pretty comical. Can't win.

Cannot win. You and Davis are on a run on this one idiot's segment. Yeah. I mean, really there's so many other ones to pick from, but I figured it'd get a good laugh with that. So I just give it to you. I think probably the person that made the final call in the tire compound. I would have, we need tires that wear out, burn off, slow down.

And so, you know, there's a lot of things that are playing a role in what we, you know, how the car performed, shifting and other things we talked about. But one of the key things, Brett said earlier in the show, one of the most important things about race cars is what connects them to the road, and that's the tire. And so we talked about a lot of things here, but we got to get a tire that wears out and makes them driver's struggle. Right.

I think it's whoever made a hot dog order. How do you run out of hot dogs at a freaking track where all you do is promote hot dogs? If they don't sell, you can freeze them and sell them at the next race. Order enough hot dogs next time. It was a good problem to have. They had too many people. Got to order hot dogs. Need more wieners.

Let's never say that. Hey, what's up, DBC fans? If you haven't heard about Anchor, it's the easiest way to make a podcast. Let us explain. Well, first of all, Freddie, the best part is it's free. There's nothing better than using a free awesome service. To make the process simple and easy, there's creation tools that allow you to record and edit your podcast right from your phone or computer. Anchor helps people find your show by distributing the podcast for you so it can be heard on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and many more platforms.

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your own podcast. T.J. will be your first guest. So download the free Anchor app or go to anchor.fm. To get started. That's A.N.C.H.org.f.m.f.f.m. Time for DBC picks. Jason, congratulations. You won at Martinsville with Ryan Blaney.

Brett and T.J. and Jason lead, Freddie, and myself with a score of two wins to one. Brett, you are up first. Kyle Arson. Freddie. I. Don't do it. There's two guys I wanted to pick. I thought Brett was going to take one of them.

I did, too. I'm, going to take Tyler Redick. Well, I could either go C. Bell, who I know that's who Casey wants to pick. How do you picked him? Imagine. She couldn't wait to pick him. I know. She couldn't wait this long. Loves him.

I'm going to go with Austin Dillon. Austin Dillon. A lot of dirt experience there. Oh, now I can't decide. I'll go cheese briscoe. Solid. Everybody's dirt. Christopher Bell. Oh.

We're just going all dirty I mean I'm really surprised If you like it dirty This is the week for you I mean Yeah I mean Do you hear about that deal With the Decker lady

She all got in a confrontation Somebody said What And then my question back was Did Natalie Decker Who'd she get in? Oh like a fight or something You didn't get it

Natalie Decker We got just wasn't that funny Jesus I like myself laughing Sometimes Did she actually get a conversation No That was just so funny

I just set you up for that. Rumor. That's how rumors get started. Thank you, as always, to our amazing presenting sponsor,

Offer Pat, and to you all for listening each week. And Dale, thank you. Thanks for finally. For coming on the show. I'm so sorry,

T.J. called you an idiot, but you can make up for it. Hey, who do you think wins this weekend before you leave? Who do I think wins? Yeah. Hold on.

Don't give no pins. Where is it? Bristol dirt. I mean, I'm waiting on Larson to show out, you know? Yeah.

At a dirt race. So would you pick him for DBC picks or would you save him for another race? Save him for a different dirt race? No, another race. He's so good at like everywhere else. Yeah, I mean, there's other, you know, there's Christopher Bell and a couple of other guys that, you know, Redick.

I think, you know, RCR having had a lot of influence on developing this car and designing it, they're going to, they're having and going to have a really, you know, upscale or, you know, they're going to overachieve this whole season. So Reddick comes into play as a. true threat for the race this weekend. It would probably be somebody who's never raced on dirt in her life.

That's a weird thing to happen. I don't get that. Yeah. Somehow or some way some guy that's not got any experience that did no prep is going to probably win the race. Hasn't been to Millbridge. But I would, you know, you got to go, if you don't want to waste the Larson, go reddick.

Yeah. Well, we appreciate you jumping all here, man. That's fun. I enjoy it. It's about time. Yeah. Martin'sville's a really good weekend. I'll try not to make it a regular thing.

Yeah, it's fun. We had a good time at a race and it was a good week. So. If you want to replace Brett every week. I do not. You guys, this is a, y'all doing some good work here. It's a lot of fun. I'm glad to come and experience it.

Well, thanks for jumping on. I appreciate it. Yeah, I appreciate to go. Y'all keeping the whole sport honest. Thank you. We need it. We're trying. Yeah.

Remember that. Maybe don't go to the NASCAR haul again. We'll call you when we need you. Finally, I get a little credit. Finally. I listen to that whole episode where y'all went all and old about going to NASCAR hole. Not once that they mentioned that I went. After the show.

After the show, no one's listening, man. We don't know if we could. We didn't know if you were in the only reason we didn't get in deep this because Dale Jr. That's the truth. Yeah, because you're, hey, kick me if I start talking.

You wouldn't shut the fuck. That's because when he asked the question, Dale Jr. looked at me and put his hand out like, Brett, you go first. He said, Brett is really you say, I'm sorry. Thank you for having us. Then we're doing it.

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