Door Bumper Clear - 251 – Darlington and Tommy Baldwin: Real Opinionated

Episode Date: May 9, 2022

Brett Griffin, T.J. Majors and Freddie Kraft are joined by former NASCAR Cup Series team owner, crew chief and NASCAR Hall of Fame voting panelist Tommy Baldwin Jr. The four of them dive into all the happenings from throwback weekend at Darlington Raceway. First, Baldwin discusses his rise in NASCAR, what elite job he turned down, and helping others like Freddie get their starts in the sport. Plus, the gang shares an exciting announcement regarding DBC’s future.To kick off Spot on, Spot Off, the guys talk about Joey Logano’s bump and run move on William Byron to win Sunday’s Cup Series race. Hear whether the guys believe Logano’s justification for the move and whether it was necessary in the first place.Martin Truex Jr. and Ricky Stenhouse Jr. collided off Turn 2 and caused a backstretch pile up late in Sunday’s race. The guys talk about that tricky spot on the track, why restarts are so aggressive and what it says about the state of competition in the sport.Kyle Busch left his parked car on pit road at the garage entrance and walked off after getting collected in Brad Keselowski’s wreck. The crew connects his behavior to a penalty he received last year and discusses the example he is setting for younger racers.Chris Rice made comments over the radio to AJ Allmendinger during the Xfinity Series about the recent struggles of Kaulig Racing. Brett and Freddie give their insight into what it will take for them to get into championship-contending form.Finally, the guys talk about the Miami Grand Prix facility wiring 5G for fans to stream F1 TV on their phones while everyone attending NASCAR races struggles to find cell service. They discuss what needs to change and the benefits of making phones more accessible at the track.Reaction Theatre shares their thoughts on Logano’s move at Darlington, Cody Ware’s strong run and more. Then hear what to expect at Kanas Speedway and why one manufacturer could be pulling away this season.Thank you to our presenting sponsor Offerpad and partners Xfinity and RacingUSA.com for making this show possible. Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Door Bumper Clear. Hey, what's up everybody? This is Door Bumper Clear presented by our amazing sponsor, Offer Pat. I'm Brett Griffin, man.

We're back from Darlington. We're going to cover all kinds of good stuff. Joy Lugano's winning move, if that's what you want to call it, the backstretch pile up, Kyle Busch's valet parking, and a massive announcement for your favorite podcast, Will Bumper Clear. It's a big deal.

Let's go. Nobody's listening, but I don't care. I'm on an episode of Door Bumper Clear. Hey, everybody. I'm T.J. Major, Spotter, the 6th cup car, the 68xmina car, and the one-shock full weekend. And we have a extremely full house today. We do, man. It's a star-studded full house.

Brett Griffin's Spotter for Colleg Racing. Beside me, used to be Air Freddy. Now he's Flory Freddie after last night. What was that? Boy, Freddie. What's up? Freddy Crassport. Potter Bubba Wallace. I had Derek Krauss land a castle this week. Solid week in Darlington. Hey,

Casey. Hey, hey, glad you made it to the show. Yeah, of course. I'm always here. Glad you made it. And next to me, we have the lovely producer, Jason. Who's my mic? He doesn't have a mic, so he says hi to everybody. Freddie, who do we have on the show today? We got my dad's here. My, my, I have the pleasure of calling this gentleman my second dad because he's basically my second dad. He's given me my first cup job. He's done a lot for me in my career. What's up, TB? What's up, guys? How you doing?

So we have you to blame for, well, this guy over here. Tommy Baldwin is in the house. Brett had teased this all week and nobody got it until you get the initials. Yeah, and then once they get the initials, we said there's going to be an opinionated ass on here. And then nobody said anything until we said TB and everybody got Tommy Baldwin from that. I don't, I don't think I'm opinionated. I just, you know.

Just real. I'm just real, you know. Call it how it is. Real opinionated. Well, then you will fit right. in on this show. I can tell you all right now, if you're listening, this will be a show that goes off the rails when Tommy Baldwin starts sharing his real opinions because he's semi-retired these days. Yeah. Right? I mean, Tommy Baldwin grew up around racing his entire life. Dad's a modified

legend. I had the privilege of going to the first golf tournament when we celebrated Tom's life. And maybe you should just start there and tell everybody why we no longer do that golf tournament but there. We caused a lot of damage with golf carts. Yeah, it was a mess. We still kind of do it. Yeah, we still kind of do it every year, but not long out, no longer in Long Island. Yeah, we'll leave it at that. So back to being real, you grew up around racing, man. Like, it's literally all you ever done. Yeah, basically, I've started, you know, my dad's a repair shot, which now I have, you know, own now with another one. We have over 30 employees up in Long Island.

But, yeah, I started going to the shop at probably five, six years old, started pumping gas because it was a little old gas station in the beginning at eight, checking the customers' oil and filling their fuel and move to the oil changing, move to cleaning the shop. And next thing, you know, I was working on the race cars. And, yeah, I got the, you know, thank goodness I started early. learned a lot in the beginning about hard work ethic and here we are talking to you guys. Yeah, this is the top of your career.

Oh, Lord. You've done it. Moly and Curley. So when you move south, what was your first job? So you've got to tell the story about moving south. Yeah, let's back up a little bit. So Kevin Mannion and I, Bono, slash Bono, we were having pretty good success up in New England. and we won a lot of races with Steve Park.

I think it was 94-95. We won seven out of the last 11 modified races. And we just decided that, you know, at the end of the year, we were going to take a chance. So Greg Sacks gave us a call, just so happened to give us a call for the first Miami race. Sorry, the first Miami race that they were having. And he asked if Bono and I can come down

and work on his car and crew chief, it and help. And so, yeah, sure, you know, we'll do that. So we flew down. He goes, yeah, all you got to do is set it up. That's all you got to do. So we flew into, I think, I can't remember where we flew. We drove to Sam Suler into this one car garage, and the car was completely apart. Had no crush panels, no windows, no nothing.

Now, Bono and I, we were not. Stock car guys. Stock car guys. We were modified guys. So I looked at Bono. He looked at me. I said, well, let's get to work. So two days later, straight days later, we got the car together.

We were on a way to Florida. Showed up. There was 60 cars, I believe, you know, over 60 cars because it was the first Miami race. And had a good practice, qualified six, not having an idea what we were doing yet. So we sat at that pretty much in a hotel room in Keys. He put us up in a real nice place, and we looked each other. And I looked at Bono. I said, you know, we can do this.

We can come down there, you know, down south here and do this. And, you know, Bono, obviously, you guys know, he's a pretty quiet guy, just shook his head. Mm-hmm. So we were running the top 10, and the windshield, back then there were real glass windshields, and the glass windshield strap came loose, and we got black flag, and we came in, unfortunately. So I went back to Long Island. I just woke up one day on a Saturday morning, and I said, that's it. I'm done.

I'm moving. I'm just going to take a chance. I didn't have any job. I didn't do anything. So I called Bono up. I said, I'm leaving at 4 o'clock tomorrow morning. And he's lived up in Massachusetts. I was in Long Island.

And I said, I'm leaving at 4 a.m. Are you coming or not? He's like, I'll call you back. And how old are you at this time? 26, 25, somewhere around there. And two hours later, he said, all right, I'm coming. So he had a red pickup truck. He drove, took the ferry over to Long Island,

came to the house. He had a stereo. Two bags of clothes, a green garbage clothes and a suitcase. So we loaded, I loaded a bunch of stuff in my dad's truck and trailer. We parked his truck at my dad's shop, put for sale best offer, and we were gone.

So we moved down south and come down here. We met Georgiana Otto at the time, and she put us up in a house. Within one day, we had the place rented, fully furnished. We went to back, bad cop furniture. And there's another story. But next thing you know, we were sitting there.

We were like, okay, we're here. That was it. Looked around and like, okay, we got to get a job. So we went out. I went and sat with Ray Everham, and he got me a night job at the 25 Budweiser car at the time doing some night work. Ricky Craven called him up. I said, hey, I need a car chief for the 41 Codyac Cup car. and Ray said, yeah, I got the guy for you, and that's what got me started.

So we started as a car chief. I got a bono job as a mechanic. We moved a couple more people down from Long Island because there wasn't many people working there at the time. Right. Started off real strong. We were fourth in points. Still hardly knowing what we're doing, but we're digging, faking it. And we're fourth in points going into Talladega, and that's when Ricky crashed real bad.

And kind of, the wheels kind of fell off at that time, you know, from there on. And 10 months later, I got offered a job with Harry and Lauren Reneer to put together a brand new cup team. At the time, this young kid was supposed to be driving at Tony Stewart. And I said, okay, so I built a team from the ground up. So I'm only here at 10 months. I built a team from the ground up. Bono ended up coming with me and moved, I think, about 20 families down from Long Island, New England area. And we started off at a test in Atlanta.

We started off as an Arka car with Tony driving. And I think we were half a second faster than the field with the Arka car. Back then, 50 cars would show up and test. And I was like, all right, let's stay the next day for the cup test. Because really the only thing that was different from Arka to Cup back then was the spoiler height and the tires. So we cut the spoiler and put good years on it. And I think we were third fastest the next day. So I'm like, all right, man, this kid's pretty good.

We can do something here. And on us not knowing, Tony was already in talks with Joe Gibbs at the time. Oh, wow. And decided. How old was Tony at this point? I don't even know. It was in 95, so I don't. He was definitely his 20s, upper 20s.

He was pretty young. Lauren Eyre found a lot of guys like that. He did. He's still finding guys. I like that. I saw he's working with Gabba Bochelle now. Yep. Manso, so when you actually came here, you didn't come here as a freaking crew guy.

I mean, you went straight to the top. Yeah, I got pretty lucky. I faked my way for a little bit. Tommy always told me fake it to you make it. Yeah, fake it to you make it, you know. You know, the good thing is I had good car background. I knew the mechanics of the car, so the rest of the stuff was pretty easy. I've called races since I was 14 years old.

My dad spotted at the same time. So I kind of knew the whole background of racing. Tommy's rough on spotters, by the way. I have no shit. I'm well aware. It's because he was one. So when you get to Everingham's as a crew chief, I mean, obviously a ton of success, Bill Davis,

when Daytona 500 with Ward Burton, Southern 500 too, right? Yeah, with Ward. But when you get to Everingham racing, it's full circle for you to be a crew chief for Ray at that point. It was. It was pretty cool to, well, to back up a little bit earlier than that in 2001, when Ray announced the dog. deal. I signed the contract to be Jeff Gordon's next crew chief. Oh, wow. Instead of Robbie

Loomis, it was you. Yes. It was done deal. They were getting ready to announce it. And so I went into Bill Davis's office and I said, hey, I just want to let you know I'm going to be leaving here. I'm going on crew chief for Jeff Gordon. Obviously, he took it pretty hard. I called Ward. He took it really hard. But the two things that really changed the course was I called my dad and I said, hey, I just want to let you know. I was all excited. I said, I'm getting ready to go, I'm going to crew chief Jeff Gordon. You know, I got a nice, I think it was a four or five year deal. And I got silence on the phone. He's like, why you want to do that? I'm like, what do you mean? He's Jeff Gordon. I'm going to go crew chief Jeff Gordon. He goes, they already have a dynasty over there.

You're building one now. You're building your own. dynasty here with Bill Davis Racing. Why do you want to move? But I hung up the phone. I'm like, oh, crap, man. Now what am I going to do? Here comes peer pressure from my dad. Here goes, you know, that thought process there that you never thought about. So then I called my son, who, you know, Tommy III, who was, you know, young at the time. And I call him, and he started crying, you know, because he was friends with Jeb and he's friends with Ward. You know, why are you leaving there? So I'm sitting there with my, you know, my hands over my head in the office. And I think Michigan weekend was at the time. And I called Ray up. He just got off the plane and said,

hey, you got to cut, you got to rip that contract up. I'm not coming. He's like, what? I'm not coming. Just please rip it up. Because me and him with friends, we've known each of, he's known me since 10, 11 years old. And thank goodness, he ripped it up for me and continued. And we ended up winning the Daytona 500 together. But probably the biggest mistake I've made in in the sport, you know, now looking back that all the achievements that we I'm glad what I've done I've accomplished

but what else could I've accomplished if I did that? Yeah. So you're following your brain right until your dad tugged on your heart. Yeah, yeah, I was doing good and the damn tiger had that ability on people. Yeah, he did.

You just look at you and you need your yeah, he can he can move mountains with his looks for sure and but going back to Ray's deal yet that was that was a good deal and I stepped into a nice deal that they had a lot of a lot of information and a lot of good guys. The cars were really,

really good at the time. And I think we had some pretty good success. We couldn't, for some reason, we couldn't get over that start, finish line first, but I think we had nine seconds the first year or something. It was insane.

Yeah, we were, we run good, but, you know, again, as we kept getting caught with stuff, with stuff that we had in the car,

the simulation stuff started not matching up. Yeah. And Ray had an evidence. engineer-driven company. And he lived and died by that engineer-driven company. So when it stopped working for a while, you know, certain people get looked at it. You're the guy. And it's like, look, I'm the crew chief.

And again, me being straight up going, well, you need to fix the situations that's the problem. I'm still calling the race. I'm still doing it. So just didn't work out. You know, unfortunately, but, you know, I ended up. Was that the last fight you got in as a crew guy? No.

It was while you're at Everingham? Some bhaired got thrown out a legend car race. How do you get thrown out of legends car racing? Well, I think we'll get into that a little bit later when we start talking about, talk about Darlington. He didn't want to talk about that. No, we're going to talk about it. No, I mean, I like fighting, but I can fight it, you know. You got to fight at a legend's car race?

No, no, no, no. I just got a couple arguments. He beat the shit of a six-year-old. No, I did. He got thrown out. No, I did not. Oh, my gosh. No, I did not beat anybody.

He didn't touch anybody. He did. I yelled at every parent and every kid and every official in the place before I left. Got a two weeks. I got my point across. He got his point across. And then I got a call from Tommy that was, hey, what are you doing for like the next two weeks on a Tuesday? And I was like, what do you mean?

He's like, you and Doug went. You got to take, you and Doug got to take Jack to the priest. Yeah. We had an all-star crew over there. It was me, Doug, and Preece, and Tommy was thrown out. And listen, this deal over there, that summer shootout is a show, a full-blown show. Because I went there for two weeks, I think. What did you get thrown out for two weeks?

I went there with two weeks, his son. And I think we ran seven laps in the two weeks I was there because they just wreck everybody. They curfews only like 20 minutes. I told Tommy, I said, don't ever get thrown out again because I'm not going. I love your kids, but I'm never going back there again. Yeah, it's, it's, uh, I'm guessing you got run over. No, no, we didn't, I don't think we were. No, I'm guessing that.

He only wrecked his cousin or whatever. It's just these, we'll probably get into this later, trust me. Before we get into the serious part of the show, why we actually wanted you to come on, Freddie wanted you to come on talk about some of the Hall of Fame stuff. I wanted to keep, right? But I got to ask you a very serious question. There, you brought a lot of spotters, a lot of people in general, but a lot of spotters in to the sport. I mean, you've probably got three or four guys on the roof right now that are up there

because you gave him a chance. I want to know how Doug Campbell, and he spots for Austin-Sendrick, Daytona 500 winner this year, got the nickname sperm, and I want to know, I want to know how in the hell he connived you into hiring him to begin with. Well, it was Mike Kalinoff, who was the biggest connivor of everybody. That's funny. He lived with him. Yeah, well, not even yet. Is that your fault too so Mike called me up and say hey man you're looking for a spotter up in new hampshire you know uh you know i got this kid that's been spot and he's really good i said yeah yeah yeah right away i just i just need somebody you know with my own team i just needed somebody up yeah let's get him we'll see how he does okay cool that's how it was with mike if mike called and he

he needs something i wanted something with me or vice versa yeah that's what we did you know we trusted each other at the time so um here comes Doug so he comes up hey i'm Doug boom he goes up there spots. He does okay. Obviously, Calanoff's right next to him at the time, just telling him what to do. So it all turns out that Doug's only spotted one race in his whole life. A modified race.

Did it good, though, right? I guess. I mean, you know, I guess he did okay, you know, but as it went on, I'd noticed that he needed a lot of work. And I, you know, it's a very important job. You guys know,

spot and people think that you guys it's easy you know what you guys do but it's not it's very hard and you've been on the roof a lot yeah i've been on the roof a lot and because i understand thank goodness at at an early age what to do and how the how to do that but freddy came in he got yelled at Doug came in he got yelled at joey came in he got yelled at a couple of the guys came in they got yelled at because it's they're all from up north you know you that's the only way they're going to listen is you yell at them because because that's how it went. So Doug,

I was really mad at Doug one time. I mean, I have everybody on scanner, and they're calling a caution, and we're all, you know, the wreck was in Charlotte. It was going into,

in the three. We're just in the middle of one and two because I just watched Blaney just go in there. And they already said, okay, rec in turn two, Doug doesn't even say anything. And I'm like,

we're in it. I'm like, well, how did we get it? So I went on a, rant. And I basically said, you know, I said, you know, you're not, I can't remember how I said. I said, you're just, you're sperm. And he's like, what is, you know, it took him a couple days and it's like, you're like, he's like, what, what does that mean? And, and I'm like, well, you're not even real yet.

You know, you're not, you're up there and you're not even real. You're just, you're just sperm, you know. Oh my gosh. That's how it's how really. So now to make it worse. His brother's nickname is Little Sper. Well, that's how we had to start. Oh, my gosh. Right from the beginning just because we had to do it. Thank God I don't have another brother. I'll never forget.

I was at Martinsville, spotting for Tommy. And believe it or not, Tommy's got a little bit of a temper. And he'll yell at me. He'll yell at anybody, don't matter who it is. And Kelly Kent, who was Mike Herman's girlfriend, was in the suite down there below us where Tommy was sitting. And I get home or whatever. And she's like, oh, my God, you should have heard Tom.

Tommy, he was screaming and yelling and cursing. And I'm glad it wasn't on the radio. I said, no, that was that was on the radio. I said, he was yelling at me at the time. So my, oh, you were getting yelled at that. Yeah, right. We all, yeah. But like you said, that's all, like, I wouldn't be where I'm at without Tommy.

And the only reason I got better at my job was because Tommy would scream at me and yell at me. Yeah. Yeah. Well, the way I look at it is whatever happens to them now is no really, you know, not a big deal because they can, They can handle any situation. We were in a situation like that with Pops and Tony Sr. He'd let you know pretty quickly if you did something wrong. You know, me and Brad, we were scared to go into the garageery a couple times working with

him. But, you know, you took your lashings and you learned from it. And, you know, five minutes later, though, it was fast. Like no grudge carried over, nothing. You learned your lesson, you moved on. But there is a lot of, I do think there's some benefit. learning like that though too. As hard as Tommy's ever been on me.

I mean, I appreciate all that. I've thanked him a thousand times. The look on, I've talked about it on his podcast, the look on his face at the Daytona 500 this year. When Doug, me, and Joey finished top three, he's running up and down the spotter stand, high-fiving us, hugging us. He was as proud as any moment I've ever seen.

And I'll never forget that about looking at him that night. He's like, you three idiots did it? Because you imagine if, what if Doug would have ran his car into the wall from the line? Would he have been happy that? Oh, boy. No, but that was a good time. It was, you know, to see these guys grow up, you know, and get to where they got to now, to the, you know, to what, who they're working for what they're doing.

I'm proud of that. What do you have to, Freddie, like two four? I'm 289 now, I think. So, like, to go back to Brett, like, what we, what I wanted you to come on for. And I know, I know this because you've told me about this story for years now that you've been a Hall of Fame voter. And I know that in years past, you probably had to go to bat for a guy like Mike Zephanik a lot. And I kind of wanted to get a glimpse into that room of what that looks like.

When is there a guy speaking on behalf of each driver? Is there, what does that look like in that room? So we all get a book on all the information on all the Hall of Fame nominees. Obviously, they're split up to three groups now. So we all get all the information. And to be honest with you, usually there's someone that's getting in that's very popular. They might not have the stats, but they've done enough in the sport to get nominated for the Hall of Fame. So this year, if you look, there wasn't anybody really popular.

Standing out, right. So the more and more I looked at it, I'm like, this is a stat Hall of Fame vote. This has nothing to do it being popular. So that was my thought process going in. That's what I was going to speak about. So basically they'll bring all of us in. They'll show videos of all the different nominees of what they accomplished. We all get the same information.

And they'll open up the mic, and we all have the chance to get up and speak on their behalf. In the past, it was a lot of, it wasn't arguing, him, but there was three, four people that we were pretty much all battling for, different. So you never left the place knowing really, except for Dale Earnhardt or, you know, Tony Stewart, or you never left knowing that these guys were definitely going to be. When Mike Stefanik was in there, it was pretty close until Ned Jarrett stood up and spoke on Mike Stefanik's behalf.

and I thought that was the coolest thing. I think that sealed the deal. After I went on my speech about Mike and the stories and some other people finally got up and talk, when Ned got up and Ned spoke on, I said, now we got something. So thank goodness he did that. And obviously Mike, well-deserving in the Hall of Fame.

But this year, when I got up and spoke, it was just about the stats. And it was pretty clear after everybody's speaking that everybody for some reason this year was pretty much on the same page. So when we got done, I kind of knew who was going to be in it. The biggest thing was Mike Helton.

None of us really wanted to vote for Mike Helton for the position he was in. We all wanted him to be honored in the Hall of Fame. in the Hall of Fame and then we would have voted him in immediately. Right. The only reason why he didn't get in last time is because we were like, no, we told him right to his way, we're not, we're not doing it.

Yeah. We want you. We want you in the real one. Yeah. So when they finally got up and vote, said that, you know, he can end up still getting into that, which now he won't, in my opinion. Glad he got in because, you know, he has been a mentor to so many of us. And the guys.

He's just the rock of the garage area. Still, when he walks in, he's the rock. He's got a presence like no other. There is nobody. And you can talk to him about anything. And he's the guy to so many of us. So he's well deserving. And obviously, Matt Kansas had the best stats out of all the drivers.

Kurt Shimon Dean, I thought it was pretty close between him and Harry eyed, in my opinion, with the stats. but the four championships, I think, is what got Kurt in before Harry. Harry-Oid will get in eventually, I'm pretty sure, because of the stats. And if you look at it, the three or four crew chiefs that are on in the nominees right now, I think we'll all get in eventually. There's only a couple more left now because the crew chief role has changed so much, right? There's only a couple more, there's no more car builders left.

you know, they got a couple of car builders and there. That's all gone. So I believe all these guys eventually will get in. It's just going to take some time. It depends on who gets nominated next year. You know, obviously, I believe Jimmy Johnson and Chad come up next year. I mean, that's a no-brainer of what the accomplishments they did in my opinion. Right.

But it's a real honor to be part of that. I'm pretty much, I think I'm, the only of my age and what I've done to be part of that and to look around on all the Hall of Famers that are in there and all the people that started this sport, you know, Mike Helton asked me to be, you know, wanted me to be on it and he, he, and it was an honor for me. Yeah. Yeah.

It was like five, six years ago, I think it was. And it's a great privilege. Yeah. It's probably because you're slightly opinionated. Yeah. I think that they count. I'm not opinioned. I'm real.

Real. Well, same thing. No. Literally, you know, you're going to cussive outside a six-year-old. I would like to see Tommy debating in this Hall of Fame with some people that... Listen, there are some people in there that don't understand and respect all the history of the sport, right?

And so I could see you looking at some of those guys and being like, oh, how am I going to politely tell this guy he's an idiot? Well, I think, you know, they have different people, some different people each time, but all of them are pretty well respected of what they have accomplished in the sport. Right. And those people, believe it or not, know more about the deep history than you think because they're part of different parts of the sport, you know, whether they're track owners or promoters or knew these guys back 30, 40 years ago and how it started.

So it's fun listening. All of a sudden, when they do speak, it's like, oh, they know what they're talking about. Right, right. So you trust the process. I trust the process. I think, in my opinion, there are probably too many. writers in there, people who, you know, they know the sport because of their opinions of it. Right. Not living in the trenches. They're not in the trenches. It's probably too many of them.

But the ones that are in there are the ones that call the sport. So then you look back and go, yes, they do deserve to be in there at a point because they are moving the needle. Yeah. In the media. Right. All of them that are there. Yeah. So you got to. to respect that too. So, but it is an honor. Yeah. All right. Well, I guess, well, Casey, you've been quiet over there for the last half hour.

I mean, this has been pretty interesting. I kind of, uh, what's, I know. The reason why, so I thought about this last week. I text Jason. I said, I wanted to have somebody from the Hall of Fame room in there. And we were talking about McGee's been on here with us before. So I was kicking around the idea of McGee. And I said, I want somebody that's going to be able to stay on the show and have opinions about

the race. And I know that Tommy does. because I get a text every night, every Sunday night about everything I did wrong during the race or my driver or everything Doug did wrong. So this will be really funny. So to this day, Tommy still criticizes everything the three of us, whether it's me, Doug, Priest, or Joey,

we get a text every week of everything we've done wrong from Tommy. So my mind went right to Tommy about kicking off the show because he can tell us all about his opinions in Darlington like we do. So Casey, go ahead and kick him. Don't worry. We have plenty of time for that. Oh, sure. But you picked a great episode to come on because we have a little bit of an announcement to make, don't we?

Gigantic announcement. Fans, I mean, I can't tell you how many times we've heard, we've seen tweets and people come up to us asking for the opportunity to see us on TV. And I think we get that chance now. Is that right? That's right. We were made for TV from the beginning. Yes. You have a face for TV, that's for sure.

So we are very excited to share that we will now be on MavTV and MavTV plus. In prime time. Yes. Don't leave that part out. When is this? Thursday at 7 p.m. is the official debut. So I think we need to have some sort of celebration, maybe without the alcohol for Freddie's sake. We need a launch party.

Yeah, we haven't a launch party? You've had enough for it. I think a launch party is needed. One hour version of DBC will air. every Thursday at 7 p.m. Eastern, and then a longer version will be available on MavTV subscription-based streaming platform. MavTV Plus.

MavTV is really brave. I want to give them credit to that right up. I am so sorry in advance for everything you guys might see on this show. I didn't think we'd ever be allowed to be, well, visible other than our YouTube videos where they can cut it out. I think this is brilliant. I think this is amazing.

Matt TV is about to blow the fuck up. It's going to be the biggest network and television history. Why wasn't I told this before I would have changed my contract? Is this the first one? You're going to call Mike on this one. You're the debut episode. Mike Davis? Yes.

Oh, I'm going to it was that. He snooking me again. Yes, exactly. So it gets me every week. I would like to. Yeah, welcome to the club here, man. I would like to request that you guys keep it classy for the sake of our viewers and listeners.

Wait, we already did. I know, that's the issue. I know. I know I should have said this earlier. Freddy walked to the door and I was like, well, shoot, there we go. Are we getting beeped? Jason, do you have to beep this whole show out for Matt 2? He already has a list. His beep list

is pretty long. Do I need to pull that fireball reference out again because there is a little chance that's going to happen. And honestly, it's kind of a family affair. Like I'll be on MavTV through DBC. Chad's on Mab TV through power and midget racing. All we need is Chloe to have her own show and then we'll be set. Yeah, there you go.

I'd watch Chloe's show. I don't know about you. It'd be a messy set, that's for sure. We wouldn't be doing this without our listeners. So all you guys have been jumping up down, screaming all social media wanting this. Here it is. Watch us screw it up. Trust me.

I've seen us do it. We need to tweet your seat type of thing. Can you guys share how you watch the show? I don't know. I don't know if you want to. Tweet your seat. Yeah, tweet your seat, okay? Every Thursday, 7 p.m. Eastern. No nudity.

Yeah. No nudity in these pictures, people. Keep it classy, guys. We would also like to thank Bojangles for the awesome breakfast this morning. Freddie especially since he is soaking. I'm honestly really proud of you for making it to the show. I wish we had a liceaw to spray all over you.

Oh, my gosh. I hadn't smelled anything since I got COVID. All I smell is booze over here. He looks like he's half asleep. He can't even keep his eyes open. No, you know how to tell Freddy's had a good night? Because he just doesn't keep smiling all the whole time. He doesn't even know.

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you want to move there right away thanks to Offer Pat. When asked me you heard about OfferPad, select the NASCAR options so they know we sent you. Spot on, spot off. It goes like this. Spot on means you agree. I'm spot on. Are you joking me? He's lost his mind. Oh, and by the way, no one ever seems to agree. And then spot off means you disagree.

Spot off. Here we fucking go. This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. But if you're T.J. Um, uh, uh, there's only one correct answer. I don't know. It's time for spot on, spot off. Spot on, spot off.

Lugano's winning move on William Byron entering turn three with two laps to go. T.J. Why? T.J. Obviously. I thought you were the ass-f-a-fool this time, and now that you're gone, he's still wrecking people. See?

I mean, I got wrecked on lap too. I want you to be real on this take. TJ. Come on. Here we go. Don't beat. This is your shot. This is not Penske, T.J. Take it until you make it, right? I'm spot off because, I mean, he wrecked him.

Like, he was going to say. spin out if that wall wasn't there. Tore up a race car, didn't even make an attempt at passing him. It's Darlington off a turn two. Your Mac is, you know, you brushed a wall a little bit, which, yeah, it ran you up a little bit, but do it back. You don't have to destroy a race car doing it, in my opinion. I don't, I don't agree with tearing up race cars for that, you know, in my opinion. I don't think, the biggest thing to me is never made an attempt to pass them.

That's what I'm saying. Like, you know, if you work a guy over and, you, like, you know, Listen, I'm all about win at all costs. We've built this system around you've got to win a race. You've got to win a race getting a playoffs. Everything. He's on a, what, 40 race winless streak or something like that? Win at all costs.

But at least make some kind of attempt and realize maybe I can't get around them. What are they show there? Every time we go to Arlington, what replay do you see on that screen? Ricky Craven, Kurt Busch. Why? Because they were they were racing. They were racing. Yes.

We could have seen that again. We could have seen something like that. Or you, Joey is by far. good enough to nudge somebody and get by him and do what he has to do. He had a run too. You could see it. So you think that's a cheap shot? I think it's cheap shot. Tommy, what do you think? I do. I think that restart where they were battling coming off of two. I mean, that's, that was a trouble area of the whole race, that little bump with those, the cars bottom and out and doing, doing what they need to do, especially on low air.

I think that was really, really hard racing. I think when Joey did to William wasn't. I'm with TJ. I think he had plenty of time to pass him. Obviously, he was two, three-tenths a lap fest, and he was at that time. Byron was out of tires. He was holding on for deal life, and Joey could have made a race of it, but didn't. Just ran into the back of him, and it all goes back into how many people seen it, how many kids seen that, how to race, and a lot of kids are going to learn from that

and say, hey, we're going to just push them out of the way and win the race instead of race, race to race track, race to driver at the same time. And like you said, that Craven Kurt Busch race was probably one of the most phenomenal finishes of all time of how they raced. The respect they gave, why they were wrecking each other was incredible. Yeah. I think those two guys look back at that race and probably, you know, respect each other. Yeah. Oh, absolutely. And I think we could have had another one yesterday. And the whole world would be talking about that and how great a race it was, even though it was a really good race, how great the race would have been if they did. And again, the drivers get to choose how good the race is going to be, right? A lot of times, yeah. Right. So that could have been another

game changer for our sport, but now it's a little bit different. I will say, I agree with everything you guys are saying. You're missing one big point. And this is what I'm the most spot off on. Joey's lame-ass excuse after the race of, I will not be bullied. He ran me in the fence. If you're going to be in race like a D-bag, you got to own it. Don't play the victim on TV. Like, I had to pay him back. He was bullying me.

No, that's not the way that played out at all. So I'm the most spot off for the way he handled it in the post-raced. Let's back up. Your experience as an owner, your experience as a crew chief, you are, now William Byron's crew chief post-race going into the rest of the season where you got one took from you, stole from you, cheap shot it from you. What do you guys talk about this week as it pertains to how you race Joy Lugano from here on out? Is there payback? Is like, what are you thinking? Yeah, I mean, if I was him, I basically knew that I wasn't going to win. I mean, if you can see

it happened in the last three, four laps, it wasn't. He mowed him down. But we would have finished second, So the game plan is to get him when it counts. Don't get them now. Get him in when it counts the last 10 races. Just rough them up a little bit, ruin his day, just a little bit more than what he deserved. And it's open game now, unfortunately. But really, should it be? You know, are they sending the right message by doing that?

I don't know, man. It's tough nowadays. is you just, back when in the 90s and early 2000, none of these guys race like this, man. I mean, Mark Martin set the example of respect. Jeff Burton learned from Mark Martin how to race. You used to watch these guys when they caught them to move over and let them go. You know why?

Because they lost less time to the guys behind them. Now you see these guys racing each other to death, to death. You know why? Because the way NASCAR set it up with the stage, the points, to what it's worth. You know, there's so much more on the line nowadays during the race in the beginning to the end.

And these guys have to race like this. I mean, everybody's getting mad at Ross Chastain and how he's racing. He's just racing hard. I mean, the guy's been giving everybody space for how many years now, getting out of everybody's way and doing and respect

what he need to do running from, you know, 22nd to 30 second for a lot of years. Now he has a kid. capability of running up front, man. He's, and he's, he's seen these guys drive past him, wrecking him because they're mad at him because he's a lap car, you know? Don't you think where he has in the back of his head who did what to him back in the day. So, um, I respect the hard racing. But listen, man, understand if a guy catches you from a half a straightaway back, you got to let him go because the guys behind you are going to catch you fast if you got,

both you guys start racing. It just doesn't make sense. Especially with 230 last to go. Speaking of Ross Chastain, of all the guys in the top 10, as a car owner, you may disagree with me. I hope that Ross Chastain is on a one-year deal because he has to be the lowest paid guy in the top 10 in points right now.

Two wins, locked into the playoff. This is a guy that could go have a life-changing contract. And he's underpaid based on how he's performing. It is every single week from the spotter stand. I look up there at the leaderboard. and he's in the top seven or eight. It doesn't matter where we're at. If it's a road course, if it's a short track,

if it's a Darlington, if it's a mile and a half, he's up there. Yeah, but does this fit his driving style? Like, is that the deal with this car? The car does. It allows people like Ross to drive the heck out of these things. And, you know, I don't look, I don't think these guys look at the money as much now.

I mean, they're searching, they're trophy hunting. You know what I'm saying? And the scale of the pay, to be honest with you, has gone down a lot. A lot. In the last five, six years, just because of the sponsorship money coming in. I don't think he's underpaid.

I think he's probably the lower tier of the best drivers out there. I think he's enjoying what he's doing right now. On that note, are you seeing more contracts with bonus opportunities, such as if you get a top 10 or if you win? Is that something that's becoming more popular, such as for Ross Chastain? Yeah, I think there's more and more,

you know, if we make money, you make money now. The days are gone of the big contracts. And, you know, obviously I was in a lot of meetings with the charter stuff happening and, you know, sitting down with Mr. Hendrick and Roger and Richard and Jack. And, you know, I was in a lot of those high meetings. And I understood why our sport got to where we got pretty quick on how it got too expensive. and, you know, these guys were just racing each other. These owners, all they've done in the last 15 years is race each other to win races.

And they built all these big places and hired all these people for all this money. And they ran themselves pretty much out of the garage for the high cost of what we're doing. And I applaud NASCAR now for making these decisions to keep everybody in line. And it's hard because you want to win. but that's why you're seeing these different drivers and these different teams run up front now because there's a lot of more even parts, a lot more even guys now involved in the sport.

So it's pretty cool. And a new car kind of cleans the slate. That's what I'm saying. Everything's the same parts. Everyone has the same part numbers. Everyone has the same stuff. So that's why you're seeing a lot closer racing today than you did four or five years ago. So when's TBR coming back?

No. But TBR's there. having fun modified recently. You're doing what you really like that. Back to the Darlington drama. Contact between Martin Truex Jr. and Ricky Stenhouse Jr. Off turn two causes a backstretch pile up

after they ran three wide through turn two. Spot on, spot off, Brett. Tommy just alluded to this. I mean, those guys on those restarts were getting all they could get. We saw Ross Chastain wreck. We saw the Martin Truex wreck. We saw William and Joey racing each other very hard.

I am spot on for any time you see these guys up on the wheel, taking control of the car. These cars are hard to drive again, and these guys have their hands full. I mean, they talk about it all the time. We only saw 23 cars finish the race yesterday at Darlington. And before the show, Tommy and I were talking about how many of those were on the lead lap. Like, it was absolutely insane. So anytime you see hard racing and it produce an entertaining race, I thought it was a great race yesterday at Darlington. I'm spot on for it.

I'm spot off. I got collected in this mess. We were just that whole bottom line. We all got wrecked. Yeah, I didn't. I suck. Tommy probably text me last. Yeah.

Again, we are all in the same wreck with Denny, the boss. So he was, as he's wrecking, he's watching his two cars wrecked. And I'm sure he was thrilled about it. Our car, I mean, we just, at 2311, we can't catch a break lately. Like, we had speed yesterday. We were probably seventh, eighth place car. And then we get caught up in a mess. Kurt had miserable pit stops all day.

He drove back to the top. every time and he got caught in a mess. So I mean, we're looking for a break over there. But like Brett said, he just, they were having a hard enough time

going two wide off a turn two, let alone three wide. And it just looked like they all ran out of room. Kind of Martin drove up into Ricky and got turned. And we all just kind of piled in there from there. But, you know, like he said,

like everybody's getting all they can get. And two wide was hard enough off a turn two. Three wide wasn't going to work. DJ. I am spot off for seeing cars get tore because I absolutely. hate when cars get tore up and see these guys hit the wall like the do but i'm spot on for the hard racing and the guys on the edge where they actually make some mistakes and we got some excitement so but i hate seeing the cars get tore up but i like the excitement bobby am i getting paid for

spot on spot on yeah it's five dollars per per episode okay it's five for spot on 10 for spot on yeah i mean then you definitely need the race i know 25 other cover charge you get the door so you're kind I'm paying my back. Yeah. So obviously even during practice and during beginning of the race, the drivers knew that area was the roughest spot for the cars where they were bottoming out on that little bump, what was going on there.

So it's kind of, you know, you're either going to go for it or you're not in the beginning because that's where you're going to gain your most positions, right, especially at Darlandt. Because once it evens out, the tires even out, it's hard to pass, right? It always has been. So they got to get what they can get, three wide over there, that's kind of, you know, years ago, we were lucky we could get one car through there, you know, before they repaved it, you know, so that's a little crazy, but it's racing.

I mean, these guys, this is what they get paid to do. You know, unfortunately, it causes a wreck. You know, took out a lot of really good race cars, but it happens. Another topic on wrecking. Kyle Busch leaves his parked car on pit road at the garage entrance and walks off after getting collected in Brad Keselowski's wreck. Freddie. So, old Kyle.

Would you like some M&M's Freddie? Yeah. Before Freddie answers, here's what I want to know, TJ. Why did you wreck to cause this? Did you break something? Yeah, something either the right front blue or something broke in the right front. So we had people on social media saying that Brad Keselowski is an idiot for wrecking. I didn't think it was Brad's fault.

You're confirming it's not Brad's fault. Now we can address this, make it solely about Kyle Bush. not about Brad Kesslau. Well, you're an idiot if you think Brad just drove into the fence on purpose. I will be the first one on here. We are critical of Kyle Bush, obviously, and Kyle Bush has the ability to be a complete... At times.

And sometimes his attitude is very calculated. If you remember last year, he got fined $50,000 for driving through the cones and almost hitting a person as he pulled into the garage. So in his mind, this is what his response was to NASCAR. As mad as he was at this point, He's still thinking back to last year where, you know what, they find me for hitting those cones. They find me for driving through the garage.

I'm going to be, you know what? I'm going to park this thing right here and I'm going to get out and you can come get it. And now if NASCAR does not hammer him for this, because we what we sat there next to each other and talked about it, we waited three or four laps to open pit road because Kyle Busch's car was sitting in the middle pit road. You have to. It was ridiculous how much time he disrupted the race. Now I know he was sending his message and you were on their way home. But, you know, listen, I get it.

Kyle Bush, but like Mike Davis compared us to Kyle Bush in the NASCAR media world. You need the Kyle Bushes of the world because what the hell else we're going to talk about? And the fact that he went back to last year and remembered they find me 50 grand for a driver through those cones. You know what? I'm not doing it this time.

I'll park this son, right here. And I'll get out and you'd come get it. So Tommy, you're a team owner. what would you think about if you had Kyle as a driver in this moment? Oh, this would not go well. Well, I've said it before on my social media and I'll say it again. Kyle Bush is a little plain and simple. Okay, this is okay.

I mean, he is. I mean, if it wasn't for his talent, there would be no sponsor or no owner that would let him drive a race car. I think he is just so far off base on what he does, on how he does it. And all he did yesterday is disrupt the race, in my opinion. And he could have turned into that garage without a problem. Spot on, spot off didn't pay well, but calling somebody a little bit $1,000, get you a hundred bucks. I'm, uh, I got a little bit.

Can I please call me a little bit? No, you can't call me a little bit. I'm, uh, what got into you? I need money. Here's what I told Freddie when this whole thing went down. They should take a NASCAR official and put him in that car, and if that car will crank and that car is able to drive through that gate into the garage, he should be fined 100 points because he ruined the entire part of the race.

As far as what we were doing for pitting, he ruined the commercial strategy. He changed everything because he was being exactly what Tommy just called him. I am spot off for his temper tantial. This guy is one of the – he's the only current two-time, champion in the series. No other driver out there has more championships than he does. Act like a freaking man. Act like a champion. He gets crap from people and then he gets mad at people for getting crap from them. He asks for all this. Yeah, I mean, again, you got to applaud his brother on how he was and how he is today. And whoever fixed Kurt needs to go fix Kyle.

because Kyle can still do what he does on the track and be a villain on the track and get in front of a TV camera or understand what he needs to do at the time to help our sport. He's not helping our sport by doing what he's doing. He's helping by people talking about it, but it's negative.

It's all, in my opinion, it's negative. I agree. And, okay, is that what NASCAR wants its negativity? No, I rather see somebody race hard and argue a little bit on that, then disrupt what he did yesterday. But, you know, and that's him. It's always been him, and I just don't like it.

I mean, like you talked about with the Joey Legano thing, I think we can, everybody in this room can agree. Kyle Bush is a top three to five talent in our sport. Top two, three. I'll never not say, you know, I'll never not say he's one of the most talented race car drivers ever, ever. Ever. But what kind of example are you said? His son is coming up.

Brexton's coming up to it. what kind of example you're setting for kids that are watching you race that, you know, this is okay. Like what's, what's Brexton, you know, what's Brexton watching his dad go, oh, he just gets out of the car? You know, it's just a terrible example for people that are watching our sport. Yeah. So, okay, this is okay to park your car in the middle of pit road and throw a temper tantrum right here. You're bringing up a great point.

Kevin Harvick actually said on the Dell Jr. download once he had his son. Kevin Harvich started racing. He was like, uh, I can't be that guy anymore. I need to be a better role model for my. son, but it's not only for your son. It's for all these young racers that are out there. Who want to be you when they grow up? There's no bigger brand in America that caters to all lifestyles than M&Ms.

Kids love that car. Don't act like a d. It's not that hard. I'm a... What do you want to call them, T.J? I agree. I'm not disagreeing than any of you guys say. I am going to go spot on for the content.

I mean, we got some very insightfulness from Tommy. here. Which is going to work out great. There was only cones over. Oh, Kyle's here. That'd be great. I wish he was. So there was only cones in front of half of that entrance because we didn't even have a

right front that would turn and we drove around Kyle and threw the cones all the way to the truck. Oh, 100% he was being facetious of what happened last year. Which is kind of genius, but it's funny that he thought about that. Exactly. that's what I'm saying like but uh yeah spot on for the content spot off for just yeah doing it that way but yeah unfortunately brad's i think incident happened because of the beginning of the race and something happened there that caused something to break i'm probably

we broke traction on lap too that's not sure yeah from the from the backside no i mean from hitting hitting you know and spinning out those cars are very temperamental on that we think the bodies are tougher than the suspension parts. Yeah. Well, that's the biggest thing I want to take away from this weekend was we've, we've talked about on here how, how strong the bodies are. We bump,

we beat and bang at the Coliseum. We've gone everywhere and you don't see any tire rubs anymore. Yeah. But we saw a lot this week where a guy, even Kyle, like, Kyle didn't have, Kyle never had that much.

The contact wasn't that bad, but his car was wrecked. You know what I mean? Like, these guys are just brushing the wall now and breaking toe links in the back and, or bending stuff. And, and any shot to the wheel is going to,

is going to put these stars out of race. I personally don't have a good. feel for the when they wrecked and hit yet how but i've seen guys hit the wall but they must hit it flush because they they go off like i saw the 51 get into one and got loose and hit the well okay well he got in the wall and i'm like i'm like you didn't do it did you no it was reddick you had that look um he pounded the fence yeah and they kept going you know and so there i don't have a good feel for it yet, but I watched Reddick. So he, Uncle Barry's calling.

So, uh, put him on speaker. Reddick. Cody Ware actually had a very good day yesterday for Cody Ware day. For God. I thought he was doing fine. I think he finished top 20. Credit to them. They had a good day.

Um, and there was one point and, and I think you would race in the two for the lucky dog, right? Yep. Yep. And Cody came in and put tires on on that caution when you guys didn't, I think. He should have taken a wave and been back on a lead lap instead of opting to stay one down and get tires and race anybody. Yeah.

Yes. But so he put tires on and he was going to try to drive up there and get these guys. And we watched it. Brett's tap, you know, tap me on his shoulder. He run Reddick in the fence off a turn two. I'm sorry. Middle one, too. Yeah, like he hit him in the left rear and, you know, and Reddick just got behind him down

a front stretch and never, never checked up. Like, I saw the brakes locked up into one. And the unfortunate part about that is Cody, the last two, three weeks have gotten some situations. And now it's given him everybody to green light just to abuse the poor kid. And I think, you know, in my opinion, it all goes back to you guys up top. You know, whoever's spotting for him needs to do a better job of communicating with his driver to get out of the way, to call what's happening way before it happens, and it's not getting done. So I think Cody's a decent race car driver.

He's gotten better. I really do. I think he's gotten better this year. And again, Rick wears equipment is the same as everybody else. He's got really good people working on there. but there's a missing piece there that's causing some problems, in my opinion. And I have no idea who's spot. And I don't know who's there now all the time.

But they need to do a better job communicating on what's going to happen before the situation. You guys know, I mean, I told you guys all the time. Just think pitcher racing. I remember when I was with Tommy, we had Michael in the car and Tommy had been through this for years before I even got there. And this is kind of where I learned the fact of we don't want to know we don't want anybody to know we're on the racetrack. You know, we're going to go out here, Freddie. we're going to run, if we can run 25th today, that's a great day. You know what I mean?

And that was the goal. Like you're going out there out of the guy's way, race the guys you're racing. And that's what I got built into. And listen, we give Rick Ware Racing a lot of grief on here because of the fact that they're in the headlines every week, whether it's spinning out or we're getting into with Chase Elliott. But and the reason why I do that is because I came from TBR. And you can, this is going back to years past where Rick was, you know, their business model

was okay. They're making money. but Tommy figured out a way, and I talked about this on here, Tommy figured out a way to make money in the sport, and we were competitive. We weren't the slowest car on the racetrack every week, and that's what I went back to last year. Now, obviously, this year, they've stepped it up,

and Cody's done a great job, you know, and of course, we're going to pick on them because it's low-hanging fruit a lot of times. You know, you kind of put yourself in that position when you got a guy on there on the radio, I talked about a couple weeks ago saying, you know, Chase Elliott spun you out because you didn't have anything for you.

Well, that's ridiculous. Don't say dumb shit. Don't put yourself in the headline. You know, obviously, unfortunately last week. Is that what fired up Tyler the rest of the race? Well, you know, like that, like, why are you running in the back of the eight car? Like, just run your race. They went out of for two, three laps before he finally pundled him.

And that's where you got to concede the position. Let the eight car go. You're not going to catch Justin Haley and also Cendrick anyway, even if you're on a little bit better tires. You got to have some common sense. You got to have someone with that situation with somebody like Cody and someone with Rick Ware racing that has the knowledge of. up there to look way further ahead than they are right now. And then you earn respect, all right? That's what I was always about to earn the respect in the garage,

to earn the respect on the racetrack. And yeah, I mean, like Freddie said, we weren't the slowest cars. I could, you know, I run on a 30 second of everybody else's budget. And I ran with guys that had way, way more money than I did. And I would leave on Sunday pretty happy on what I accomplished. Now, other people, the fans, might not think that was accomplishment, but the amount of money I had, the amount of tires I had during the race, you know, the amount of crew members I had, who I had, I think we did good.

You mentioned respect to here. This is big. You had a lot of drivers get in your race cars that were accomplished drivers at various points in their careers because they respected you and they knew what you were out for. And I helped you grow that what you were trying to accomplish too. Yeah, they did. Another thing, all drivers need coaching in that position as well. Like we were, we were. We were right on one lap down, running right with the leaders there, trying to, you know, working for the Lucky Dog. Every driver can use the coaching from that point, you know, no matter what. I mean, you got to remember, you got to keep what your goal for that run is. And, you know, yeah, I wanted to go up there and pass Truex and Ross,

but I knew that probably wasn't going to happen. So my goal, hey, Brad, just do what you keep doing what you're doing right here. We're going to stay with him. We'll take advantage of what's given to us right here. Don't overdo it. And then, of course, we blow the tire. But it wasn't every, every driver can use that stuff. Yeah.

I mean, and they showed, did a lot of, audio yesterday with Coleman, Presley, talking with Logano on all the information that Coleman was given Joey, and he was giving him incredible information, maybe not about that time, but to think about later and when cars are around them. So I really think that helped Joey later on in the race, but your job, your guy's job up there is more important today because of the competition level, how everybody is running so close together than it ever has been before. And I, you know, believe that's what's getting Cody in trouble. He's a good race car driver.

He's got a really, Rick has stepped up that program. He has put so much money. I've been there. I've helped him with Ryan Priest do that LA Coliseum. I know what kind of equipment. The guys that are working for him are really, really smart. He was competitive L.A.

Yeah. He was very competitive L.A. Yeah. They, you know, they have some information coming from, from Stuart Haas. So they're not that far off,

but they got to get one thing fixed, in my opinion. and I think that the pressure is going to be off of everybody picking on Cody because it's not Cody. Cody's in there trying to drive his butt off for his dad, for his sponsors, and everybody else. He just needs to finish. Well, he needs to have someone teach him how to finish.

Okay. You got to finish. You got to finish lead out. So you're saying Coleman learned from Reddick. Coleman, Presley? Learn from Reddick and the one for later in the race. Coleman learned from his dad and his uncle. That's who Coleman on.

Yeah. And his grandfather. That's who he learned from. Trust me. We could probably talk about this for like five episodes. But Tommy, this next one's for you, especially as a team owner.

Spot on, spot off. Chris Rice says, as a company, we're as bad as we've ever been. Give me about three months and hopefully we'll get it turned around. We've got one car running 30th

during the Xfinity race at Darlington. What do you think? I love Chris Rice's thought process on this because he is the team leader, right? And he wants to get everybody better. He's in a position right now with growing, you know, with the Cup program, which had a really good day yesterday, the Xfinity program, and they want to win. That's what they're in the Xfinity series for, is to win races and run up front. And to have a leader with that thought process and then go in now into meetings and talk about this to his crew members and his drivers on what needs to be done,

and how it needs to be done, I think, is the proper way to do it. He needs to let everybody know that he's not happy, and he wants better results. Yeah, two guys are up front. One guy's running, why is that guy, we have the same equipment. Their driver's good. What's the problem? So I think he's spot on for saying that to keep the momentum going on this program. Chris has been doing this a long time. He's a people person. He knows what to say. He knows how to get people motivated, and that's why he's in the position that he is. Brett, Spott on, spot on it. Tommy's right. I mean, they literally came out as a company with a hashtag trophy hunting years ago,

and that's what they built off of. They built that, to Tommy's point, around the Xfinity series. They made a huge move a couple years ago when they went and got AJ Ammendinger, and it was to find out if their cars were good enough to win every single week. And obviously, AJ is now full time. You've got Landon Castle over there running well, run a lot better than he's running the last several years. you got Daniel Hemrick last year's champion.

Colleg racing isn't going around and looking for kids with money. They're looking for ways to win races. And obviously the Cup program is now down the street from them. That's got to probably take away a little bit of focus because we're at a point in this industry. Maybe Tommy for the first time that I can remember where it's hard to get good people in certain areas right now. And I'm talking it can be truck drivers, it can be engineers,

shot guys like as an industry, we have somewhat of a people shortage. So the expansion probably took a little bit. a focus away in terms of what Chris was able. Chris was, man, I'll tell you right now, he is hands on every single part of that business. Well, that business has grown a lot. So now Chris has got to get the right managers and people in place to be able to pick up some of those things that he doesn't have the time for.

But nobody wants to win in the Xfinity Series more than Chris Rice. That's their bread and butter. That's where they came from. And he will be all hands on deck. He is in a little bit different position. And I'd love to hear Tommy's take on this. RCR is an alliance partner. They're helping him with a lot of technical things.

RCR on Saturdays, they're not running great either, right? So is that what the problem is that Chris has got to work with Richard on for the next three months? You're asking my opinion? Yeah. So it is really, really hard to do what they do when they have an alliance because Richard Childeris has a business to run, okay? Stuart Haas has a business to run. Rick Hendrick has a business to run. Joe Gibbs has a business to run.

So when you think you're signing up for an alliance, there is no way. you're getting all the information. I've tried, I've done it, I've sat there, I've lasted two weeks, then I start shaking my head and I'm going, this is not the same stuff, this is not what it is. You can pay as much money as you want

to try to get all the information, but unless they have somebody sitting there, 24-7 running that simulation and doing all, which I'm sure they are now, that's the only way you're going to get the information. Now, with the simulation stuff, if you're one step off, you're going to be one step off on the track it is that sensitive of what needs to be done so everyone has

to work hard like you said it's up to richard childeris and the collard group to work together to to make it better and what's going to happen is once they make it better both programs all three programs whoever's program they're helping is going to get better but if you're not sitting in there and sleeping and eating and drinking and doing whatever with those people and if you're if you're not doing that and you're just relying on the information to get to you. You're a lost cause. Yeah.

I mean, we saw, I felt like Chris is, I always call Chris Captain Positive. You know, he's Mr. Smile at everybody and everything else. I saw it for the first time at Dover last week. We were having dinner upstairs at the casino. And I saw Chris and he was dejected about it. It was Saturday night after the Xfinity race. And you could tell in his eyes he was basically, I mean, I think he might even apologize to me and Brett.

Like, I'm sorry we're going to get better. And he said it's bland. yeah, we finished sixth on Saturday. And he said to Landon, we ran about 12th all race long, 10th, 12th. And he apologized to Land. He said, I'm sorry, I'll get this turned around. And where I think that comes from is Chris knows we don't, what the, we've won races in the Xfinity series of Call League Racing.

That box is checked. Now he wants to win a championship. And he knows right now we do not have the speed to run for a championship. And that's his long game. All three cars are going to make the playoffs. All three cars are going to be there. AJ ran in the final four last year, but Chris's game now is,

I want to win a damn championship from Mac Halleague, and he knows right now our cars are simply not capable of doing that. And like Brett said, the RCR cars are in the same boat as us. The 2 and 21 show speed at times, but they're not consistently fast. J.R.M. is kicking our ass right now, essentially. And they're kicking our ass on pit road.

They're kicking our ass on the racetrack. They got their shit together right now, and we've got to make a big step to catch up to them. I was running in front of you, too. Yeah, yeah, 100%. You know what I mean? We have to get better. If we're,

Landon, you know, and it's weird, in a weird situation for Landon because Landon's a static. You know what I mean? Like not, I shouldn't say a static,

but from what he's been driving for the last 10 years to what he's got now, he's like, this is a shitload better than what I've been doing in the past, but still,

you know, now Chris knows what we're capable of and he wants to make that next step to be all, he wants all three cards to be championship contenders. Well, if Landon's settled like that,

that's part of the problem. Oh, yeah. No, I mean, He's not. He's not. But I'm just saying, like, in his mind, it's like, he doesn't think it's, he's not at the same level of panic as Chris.

Like, you know, Lanna's like, I'm running top 10 where I was, you know, 15, 20th last year, I'm making a big step. And Chris is like ready to jump off a bridge, you know? And it's like, you're trying to meet that in the middle where Lannan's like, I'm happy. But yeah, obviously he wants more. I mean, a year ago, all three guys win. You win the regular season championship.

You put a guy in the final four. We're struggling. Chris is frustrated. I love it. I love that he's coming out publicly because you're also kind of taking the head. head coach mentality and football. I'm challenging my guys in public to get better. Will you stop talking so I can do my point?

Because you're taking my place right? I mean, this is in the one show ever. Wait, do you have a sponsor mention? I'm apparently, it's all over time. That's exactly what I was going to say that Chris, he's given a halftime speech right here.

He's pumping the guys up, which is good because them guys want to go and you want to, he's digging and that's what you want to go and work with. 100%. Like when I work for Tommy, it was, and he touched on this earlier, like we would run 20,

maybe or something like that. And, all right, you know, we're thinking, ah, you know, it is what it is. We ran 20th. And Tommy's like, no, no, look who's behind us. Look who, look who we beat. Like, look at the steps we're taking here. And then he would pump everybody up.

Obviously, he still wanted to be better. We wanted to win, obviously. But, like, you also take into consideration who the hell you're racing against. Danny, if you look at that Netflix documentary we did, Denny was the same way with us. Like, listen, guys, these results suck. Like, you guys got to figure the shit out because we can't run 15th every week and stay in business.

I need you guys to be. better. And he held it, you know, he held the candle to us like, hey, you guys got to step this up. And that's what Chris is doing right now. Switching gears to another hot topic for the weekend, the Formula 1 race. The entire Miami Grand Prix

facility was wired with 5G so fans can stream F1 TV on their phones during the race through a Verizon partnership. Brett, spot on, spot off. Spot on. I'm a big advocate of the people that are on the grounds being able

to promote how great the event is. It encourages people to come out. It encourages that younger demographic to come out. I mean, we know how much the F1 is growing in America with that 18 to 40 year old. Well, guess what? If your phone's not working, those 18 to 40-year-olds aren't coming. So I'm spot on. I think this is a shot across the bow and in the NASCAR world to every track owner, promoter,

operator. You got to get cell service in your facility. We're not fortunate enough to be able to. race in major cities all the time. And when you go to the majority of these major athletic facilities, they're in cities that have a lot of infrastructure, a lot of support. We race in BFE a lot. I mean, when you talk about racing at Concord, New Hampshire, there ain't nothing within 50 miles of that place in terms of a city, right? So we've got to invest and give our fans. Our phones worked great yesterday right up until about two hours before the race. And Freddie and I and T.J.,

we were all parked beside of each other. And it's like, well, we just got too busy. around here for our phones to work. So I am all in for a venue making this investment to change the fan experience. Yeah, I mean, Brett's talked about this on here forever and we mean him have talked about it forever. Like, one of your biggest advertising tools is the people at the racetrack. And if they can't share their videos or they can, we're talking about, you know, they paid Blake Shelton to a punch money to come to a race earlier this year. All-Star Race, two weeks. Yeah, nobody knows he's there because you can't share a video of the guy on the stage because your phone doesn't work.

I had people come to me last week or two weeks ago and say they wanted to listen. You know, they didn't rent a scanner from racing electronics, but they wanted to listen to the NASCAR app. Couldn't do it because their phone doesn't work. You know, I don't understand how in this day and age we can be at this position where, I mean, Brett just got a brand new phone. He tweeted out this week that he's got whatever, 27G or something like that. Still did not work. Still don't work. Still don't work at the racetrack.

I don't understand in this day and age how that's possible. Yeah, I'm spot on for that as well. you know, when you're sitting there looking at another event, you're just consuming the content that people are putting out from there. You know, you're looking at who's doing things and what they're doing there. You're just constantly consuming that. But if that's not out there, you're not taking it in. So I do agree with the better the service. The demographic definitely fits. These people want to put it on Instagram, whatever social media stuff they got. I definitely to think it's a necessity in today.

Go ahead, Tom. Just burn them down again, why don't you? Do you even know what the internet is? He does because I get texts. If my phone is working, you're going to text mid-race from Tommy about anything. See, it's working. So you guys are full of . We got Wi-Fi on the roof now.

Yeah. Oh, yeah, and that's probably. I'm going to have to get another part-time job. It actually where it's really nice, too. I mean, it's awesome. I mean, I, look, the F-1 coming to Miami was, I think, a huge hit. They have a lot of worldwide companies that follow them, a lot of worldwide celebrities and people. I think it's easier for where they go, the demographics, on how they do it, to set all this up.

I think they have a bigger show than a race, where we have a little bit smaller show, but a better race. I think, yeah, if there was more worldwide companies that would come in and want to do it, then NASCAR would do it for sure. It's kind of hard to do it. Like Brett said to come to New Hampshire and put a whole system in place, but there's got to be something that they can do that to travel. And they do everything else that's traveling, right? There's got to be something else that they can develop to travel to get all that infrastructure in all these racetracks.

So the next demographic of kids and people can come into our sport because that's what they're always looking for. What do you see on the back of phones with kids nowadays? That loophole. because it doesn't leave their hands. And if it's not working, they're not having. And we talked about this yesterday, Brett, when Sprint was the title sponsor, Sprint phones worked.

There was Sprint phones worked there because they brought in some kind of infrastructure to make sure their phones work. The equipment's there. I mean, it's still out there. It's an investment. Yeah. But, yeah, do I say spot on? Spot on for we need it.

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Why don't we tell you this fucking date on? Hey, Freddie, just letting you. No, we got the beige GMC out in the parking lot in case you want to have Bubba come out and hit us. Like you said, everything out on the track. Hey, now, Jason, got a message for you. Get out of Dillner's ass. Reaction theater starts now. What a race we got at Darlington and, man, what a finish.

People whine and moan all day long about, oh, the race is boring. Oh, there's no personalities. Then all they want to do is complain when something happens. I mean, hey, excited. Finning finish, got to enjoy it. And Brett Griffin, how about a top five finish? I see you big dog. Ho-ho!

I was driving home. I had to call, Brett. I was like, how the hell did you pull that off? Hey, him. Spot on. Spot on. Joey, you just won at Darlington. How do you feel?

Well, just to let you know, if you ever put me on the wall, you're not going to finish the race. That's how I roll. Oh, okay, cool. Anything else, Joey? Well, yeah, it's just so cool. If you want to be like me kids one day, all you have to do is keep driving like you're in a lot.

legend's car like my paint scheme. Just running everybody and you'll be great. I'm sorry. I'm rambling. Happy Mother's Day, everybody. Big Lugano. That's not even that bad. No, that's, this is very tame so far. But Tommy can agree with this. That's what Legend car racing is. Like, Legend car racing, I have not seen a race. I almost went the other night because Tommy's kids are running at Florence Speedway and unfortunately started raining, so I didn't go. But what, I mean, these guys rarely make the advertised lap distance, because, you know, because the kids these days just run each other over all the time. And that's what I get so angry about.

It's just, you know, and again, it falls on the parents, and it falls on the people that are running those cars for them. And it also falls on the race director. They got to do a better job of teaching these kids on how to race because it's not going to get any better. For us to spend all this money and time and race 12 laps or 10 laps, it just takes all the fun of it. And it will go away.

Yeah, 100%. It will fall into a negative. thing and it will go away if somebody's not paying attention. And I will never, never let, ever let let my kids race like that. I will pull them off the racetrack and that car will sit until they learn how to race. And, you know, Luke had an issue the other night. It was first ever race, first time ever in a race car and he did really good qualified seventh. And he didn't see a guy going underneath him. And he clipped him and Luke spun out and he got to raise a guy. I said, no, Luke, he was under you. He gave you a chance and

turn one and he let off. And turn three, he didn't. And he was on the, he was not your left rear. No, it wasn't. But he looked in the video, right? And he's like, oh, you're right. You know, so. But these kids, the summer shootout is, even in the wintern nationals this past year in

February at Citrus, I think, it was just as bad. He's just, these kids, and again, they watch Joey, right? They watch Kyle on how he acts. it makes it okay they think it's okay and it's it's it's not these kids got to learn how to pass to become race car drivers there's only a certain percentage of them

that their parents are going to have enough money to get them through the sport and the other kid's going to have to have to do it on their ability to get as far as they can and if they're just just doing it for fun to wreck people it's not going to work you know I'm not going to lie William Byron passed up a perfect opportunity for himself to prove

to everybody that he's got a person and show people not to mess with him. All he had to do was go out there whenever Lugano was doing his little Fox interview or whatever, even after if you want to be a little bit of professional and catch it on camera and go out there and start talking to make sure you got your helmet off if you're going to fight him. But, you know, I mean, I don't think he would have won a fight if they fought. But that was me, open up a can of whoop ass. This guy wanted to beat Joey's ass last night.

Nobody's been swung at in our sport more than Joey Lugano. He's been swung at by 10. or 12 drivers, but nobody ever pays him back on the track. Oh, Sam's catching him. I think Kenseth paid him back, didn't it? Yeah, Kansas got him. You know, there was a close vote a couple years ago about most punchable face, and it was Brett and Joey were a toss.

They're tied. This guy's vote just broke it. I might be a person to change that. Not a Joey Legano fan, but don't know what's dumb. Is that close? William Byron, not knowing that putting Ligano, Gano up against the wall on that restart, that if he didn't get back to him, he wasn't going to take him out?

Or Fox not realizing that that was going to happen? Like, they were totally oblivious to the fact that he pushed him up against the wall on that restart. Explain that to me. I guess Fox didn't really show it, recap it. I didn't. According to social media. It was just hard racing.

It wasn't like you ran me of the fence. I'll tell you what pissed him off is he had to lift. He freaked out. I mean, I don't, William ran him up. Don't get me wrong. Yeah. He had to crack and throttle. I don't think he did it intentionally.

It was just trying hard, man. It's turned to a daunting goal for the win. Joey would have done the same thing. Or I would expect him to. Joey would have did it in turn one. Okay. He would treat. Yes.

I mean, it was just, that's just hard racing. And you've got to accept that. There's hard racing and just driving through somebody. Hey, Fox. Way to have Bill Elliott at the beginning of the show. And in the last stage, they ask them questions about a race car driver. Who do you think he's going to root for? Who do you think he picked on the ones to watch?

Number nine, that's right. He has nothing bad to say. Just like you said, Brett, this shouldn't be happening. Next week, why don't we put Brexton Bush in there? That way he doesn't know any better but to root for his dad. I saw this. A million dollar bill. I thought this was interesting because I went back and watched a replay of our wreck when I got home last night.

and Bill must have been on the broadcast for that. And all, the only part by the wreck he broke down was the fact that Kurt running the back of the nine. He's like, oh, look, Kurt, you know, Kurt kind of got the back of the nine right there. The whole, there's 47 cars wrecking on the bottom. He's like, damn, the 45 hit the back of the nine pretty hard. The front of that nine found something earlier in a race too. Oh, yeah. I promise you that.

Oh, are you saying that he's the one that hit you? He is the one to hit you. Did Danny get defense or something? Yes, Denny got a fence off too. They all checked up and the nine points. Not all. Yeah. No.

Oh, yeah. But in Bill's defense in the beginning of the show, they were talking about future Hall of Famers. And he didn't mention his son. He mentioned Kyle Bush. Yeah. So, you know, Bill, obviously, if it was your son out there, you'd be talking about your son too.

But, you know, Bill Elliott's the man. He always will be the man. He's one of the men who made this sport. Yes. And he can talk about whatever he wants. I don't give a crap what he talks about. Not how long he talks. Richard Petty himself.

It don't matter what they talk about. It's entertaining. They're right. They're always right. Imagine Brett Griffin being the only one out of you guys beating Cody Ware. I go Cody Ware. He's man. Y'all had nothing for Cody.

They did it for Cody. You! That's awesome. That is awesome. Hey, he had a good day yesterday. You can't, like, I listen, we give him a lot of shit on here about, you know, how they run and stuff. But when, like the day like yesterday,

where he just survives the race and he could do that on a weekly basis. You know, maybe he's not going to run top 20 every week, but if you just stay, you know, run your race, stay out of the way, stay out of the damn headlines. Don't try to get too much when you're running 30. Admit that Cody outrun you yesterday. Just say it.

Cody outrun Boba Wiles. He did outrun us. We were parked in the garage and he beat us. I'm glad for him. Don't matter. He beat you. He beat us. That's the most underrated voicemail we've ever had left right there.

I love it. You would say that. D.B.C. Bread is always right. D.BC, T.J. sucks all right. D.BC, kissing Denny's ass. D.B.C. you know that's Freddy. Crab. That guy's good.

That's A.C. lead singer right there. I think that was him. Pretty much spot on. He was very accurate the whole time. We do got a guy that calls in a lot. lot and leaves songs that is he's actually pretty talented his name's jeb he does a really good my sister thought it was jeb burton up until last week are you shing me no and i didn't know claudy actually came to me she's like is that jeb burton that calls in every week and sings and i'm like

no it's not jeb burton she goes oh your sister she thinks it's jeb burton and he's so talented i said he's not the like jeb burton but anyway people that is not jeb burton it calls in here every week. Oh, this was a good one. So to leave an audio message 24-7, go to anchor.fm. slash doorbubber clear and click the message icon. Definitely send us some reaction through their message as you watch the show to this week. We'll keep playing the best ones each week on the show. Offer pad. Question of the week. What was the biggest determining factor when deciding to buy your current home? Tommy, what do you think? Tommy built his. What was your biggest thing you had to have in there?

An entertainment room just to be able to relax. Oh, RPG room. Yeah, we, you know, Beth has her nice kitchen, and I have my nice little room to relax. And, yeah, it was a must, must. Tommy's got a really good outdoor kitchen, too. Like, your little outdoor area is awesome. Like, we could sit there and just drink all day if we had to.

Sometimes we have to. We've done it before. Right. Like Tommy, I need my space. And I've always done like a hybrid, like a man cave in office in one room. And that is definitely when I look to purchase a new home. I got to have my spot to kind of get away, seclude myself from the craziness, and be able to chill out. I would say similar, just rooms.

Because if you don't have enough rooms, you're bringing more people closer and you don't have your space to do things. so I would you know it's nice to have your office like what brett says and then a place to chill out as well so um just rooms in general to separate things out yeah when i was when i was we were shopping for a house three or four years ago and i we ended up building one just for the fact that it was easier like and meggan got to pick everything out so that was a lot easier for me but the one thing i did want to touch on i heard a rumor this week that the groundwork has been laid down for a port to get a pool What? I hadn't heard that. You told me this.

Oh, that's like a fiction book. Oh, boy. We're getting a pool at the Griffin House. I'm going to roll up in there like Caddyshack. Is it going to be painted on like the Formula One beaches? Yeah, that's what it's going to look like. It's going to be a concrete slab with a vinyl pool. Oh, man.

Go get a cash shopper on your home today with our presenting sponsor, Offerpad.com. time for us to get to our favorite X-Fi more than fast moments from the week. Whether you're behind the wheel or online, speed isn't the only thing you need. So what were your favorite more than fast moments this week? TJ.

Um, my more than fast, my Xfinity X-Fi, more than fast moment, I got to go with Tyler Redick. I know this is on song here, but he was in the back and made his way all the way to the league,

and was actually if the cars had fallen right was in position to possibly pull out a win if the things fell right for him at the end. So I'm going to give to Tyler Redick for fighting through the whole Darlington race, keeping his head up, moving what he had to at times and getting there. If you're going to give it to Tyler,

you've got to give it to Randall because Randall was the one that made the call to they were going to do a two-stop strategy. They short pit and got a bunch track position. But it takes the driver to be bought in as well. So, yeah, the team in general. They team in general because they short pit and got a caution when they needed it. and cycled them to the lead.

But they had to do that because the strategy earlier in the race got them lapped. So they had to do that to kind of dig back out of that hole, which to your point is spot on for that crew chief because he did adapt and change his plan based on what he saw playing out. My turn? Yes. So I'll break it up into two parts here. I think you got to hand it to some of the pick crews yesterday,

who did an incredible job of picking their teams up four or five spots at a time. and I think the guy who ran the smartest race at everybody up until that backstretch wreck was Denny Hamlin. I think he was the most patient driver of getting to a point and waiting to the next thing to happen, such as a caution in a pit stop, to get to the next point to put him in a position. And I think that's why he's done so well there.

I mean, I haven't watched many races on TV because I was at the races for the last 25 years, but watching him how that team, raced yesterday was pretty cool because you can see him get to a point and wait and he didn't rush he didn't push the envelope on anything they did yesterday and they kept gradually moving up until they got to that point and unfortunately he didn't push the envelope yeah then he pushed the envelope but you know what happens but then he never messes up even Tommy knows then he's great very methodical denny hale my ex finitely x5 more than fast i just said for that race yeah for that race okay i didn't

i say he's great all the time i have to he signs three hundred and oh yeah yeah yeah I forgot about that. Shoot, I didn't even know that. I didn't even think about that. My more than fast moment is how fast Cowbush left his car for valet parking at Darlington Raceway over the weekend. Good thing you left the keys in. There's no valet.

He left the keys in it at least. Everything. My Xfinity X-Fi, more than fast moment, I wish this guy would have done this last week, but he did it this week. Justin Allgaier was super fast on Saturday. Started in the back. They had a battery issue before the race started. He had to track it up.

range battery, get back out there, start last, drove to the lead. I think Noah was probably the best car on Saturday, but Justin, you know, Justin took advantage for the situation, got out front and took the wind down. Hey, one thing I don't think we talk about that they've fixed is after the second race of the year, we were pretty much all pretty down on getting these cars off the racetrack and stuff. And we've done, they've done a very good job. They told, they picked that 18 up in about 30 seconds when they got to him and he was gone. Yeah.

So, but they, they've made a lot of adjustments. There's a secondary X-Finity X-Fi, more than fast moment. So you're a wrecker drivers. The tower drivers? T-J's towing service. Did they start cheering when they were hooking 18 up? I thought they did. Oh, yeah, I'm sure.

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the obvious, the dumb ass that threw the full beer can over the fence during the Jamie Little and John Hunter Nemechek winning interview. This person was pointed out by NASCAR official. They were grabbed by a state

trooper and I pray that they arrested this because that is a whole another level of stupid. Somebody told me, I see a tweet today and said somebody, I hope they got carried off to jail.

I said, I hope you got carried off to the hospital. I hope they beat that of them. Because that's what he deserved. I mean, you've got Jamie down there. You've got not only Jamie and John Hunter, neither one of them have any kind of,

you know, protection from a, you've got a cameraman, you've got a producer, I'm sure, down there. This is just, I mean, if that thing is three feet to the left, somebody's hurt real bad right now. Stitches are involved. Staples are involved.

Concussions are maybe involved. That's not even what an idiot. That is, I'm sorry, Jason. That is what a piece of shit. Like, that is, there's no place in this sport for you if you're going to be the guy that throws stuff at a driver in Victory Lane. That's his name, Jason. That's Jason over there is Ben.

That's what TJ calls that kid. That kid. What's his name? That kid there. We got to come on with a better nickname. Look at his screen. You're the king of nicknames. What did you call, Doug?

Can't say it. We're on TV now. Look at his screen. I forgot to mention before. His grandmother even calls him. Oh, yeah. Everybody. The whole family calls him now.

That's his nickname. Good job, Tommy. You got one, TJ? What do you got? Yeah, so I got to go. I did on the radio in the truck race call one of the other drivers an idiot because there's a lot of drivers in that series. You'd call an idiot.

We're going into three. This guy's probably maybe just getting ready to dive inside. and this one truck spins out middle of three and four sitting broadside pretty much all like right in the middle groove like maybe one or two lanes above it this dude throttles up we're trying to slow we're slowing down because i'm like wrecking it funny you're sitting in the middle of the track this dude just stays in it and almost hits the truck in the middle of the racetrack and almost rips our left side off doing it and then as we get lined back up just wants to stay in front of us right side by I thought like he's got the position on us now.

There is a truck sitting in the middle of the racetrack and the yellow flag is out. Where are you going? So. Yeah. That's it. You're not even saying any names. I can't remember.

Say his name. I don't know who it was. A truck number? I think it was the 30. The 30. That was Tate Fogelman. Okay. There he is.

So, Tom, you got anybody who wants to call him? You're not even going to say a name. TJ like you're going to call him. You got to give us something. Yeah, get to 30. Who are you spot for in the trucks?

Haley. No, she cannot get a break. No, I know. All right. She is way more capable of finishing. Oh, I know. Way better than she has been. She cannot get a break.

And the people that she's racing around race like the Legends cars. That's why she's got to get to the next. You got to help her there. I do not. Listen. Hey, the good news is, I think next week, right? Borrow.

Haley? Oh, yeah. We're going to bring Hayley on here. Sorry, you're getting replaced. Tommy next week you're replaced by Haley Degan who's much more, you could have said it at the end of the show. Did she agree to that money?

Yeah, yeah. She took the deal. But yeah, I talked to the TV about this. I got a spot-on t-shirt. Finally won't be the only girl on the show. So pretty excited. I'm looking forward to that.

But my, so my, before we get to Tommy, because there's no telling. He's probably going to call me an idiot. But my wooden idiot of the week goes to Anthony Alfredo. Because he needs to stay off of Twitter, apparently. because, you know, he was in front of,

we were running like 10th and 11th, maybe coming down pit road late in a race. And some people maybe are not so familiar. You can run a couple extra lights, the first half of the, or first quarter of pit road. It's a curve. So you can run a little bit faster on that curve

and make up time. So we had bumped it up on two or three red lights and we were running faster through the first six sections. And yes, Anthony was in front of us and he wasn't and we were pushing him. But we didn't get a speeding penalty. and he didn't get a speeding penalty in that section. So whatever happens,

late in the race, like the next thing I know on Twitter, he's, well, you know, what a big brain move on Landon Castle's part. He pushed me all the way down Pit Road, got me a speeding penalty

and locked the brakes up as soon as we got to a timing line. I was like, Landon, if you know where the timing lines are on Pit Road, let me know because that makes my job a lot easier. If you know exactly where they're at because I don't have to do anything on Twitter or now,

but we went back and looked at it, and we pushed him sections one through, six. Early. We pushed him sections one through six and he sped in section 14. He's blaming it on Landon. Landon pushed me the whole way down here road. He did a video about it.

He did a tweet about it. And Landon's like, yeah, but I don't know what to tell you. I did push you in sections one through six, but you sped in 14 where I was nowhere near you. So like let's back it down a little bit here. So you made your own mistake.

Don't blame on other people. And that's my one idiot for the week. Not only did he make that mistake. He was running people over. That's, he ran into us off of two And we thought we had a left rear flat And then he cleaned out Was it the 07 or 08?

One of them, yeah One of them, which one of the Joe Graff, whatever Joe Graff was in. 07. He clobbered him off of it. Joe Graff doesn't need help wrecking. So is, is that a team car to the other? Is that a car by us? No, 2, 23, 27 or I have cars.

No, the one Anthony's in. Anthony's a team is an hour car. Yeah. 2327. Yeah. Okay. Not, not 08. But, no, I know.

I know that, but I'm just saying, no, I was wondering if he, I didn't know if that was a Sam Hunt car. I wonder why Hallie's wrecking all the time. We got two spotters being fired. I thought he might have been teammates with the guy running up near the front. Tommy, do you have one? You got any idiots this week? Yeah, what did you see on the broadcast here? How much time?

I got a quick story. So I was driving, I had my truck, my dulae on my way to Florence on Friday. And Josh Riyomi, Rome. How do you? Reom. He's a good kid, man. A kid tries so hard. I work with him with the 27 car with Jacques Villanoe.

He calls me. I know he's right next to me. He's like, hey, what are you doing? I said, all right, man, you know, who's driving your truck tonight? He's like, well, I'm driving one. And I forget who was the other one. He's driving the other one. I said, all right, man, you know, keep it out of the wall.

He goes, what usually happens is stage one, my other truck wrecks. And then I have to run in the back and, you know, keep it clean the rest of the race. I'm like, all right, man, well, good luck. well I turned the TV on. The first thing I see is his truck running into him and taking them both out running for last. And I'm like, well, that didn't work out so well. So whoever was driving those trucks and doing what they do.

I felt bad for Josh earlier this year. Where were we at? Where did they wreck? Is Atlanta where they wrecked the hauler? Oh, yeah. So it's good. During the Xfinity race, they wrecked the hauler. And I think Tony Raines was spotting for him.

And Josh was in the Xfinity race. And Josh Rex. Josh wasn't driving it. Yeah, somebody else. But I'm saying Josh was driving the Xfinity car at a time And the hauler wrecks during the Xfinity race So Tony Reins Josh Rex now in the Xfinity race

And Rains is like I don't have the heart to tell him Like your car don't look half as bad as your hauler does On the back straight away Oh my God That tunnel gets one every three four years Every new truck driver just wants to get it Who is driving another truck?

Was it the Hickory guy? No, Agatha? I don't think. Was that it? Yeah, he just won his third race just want a hickory. Yeah. Yeah.

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Whatever. You are now leading with four wins compared to... I finish fours. I'm going to give you all an opportunity to have some expert advice from my good friend Tommy Ballin. Tommy going into Kansas Speedway, a mile and a half race track, which manufacturer, which teams do you see having an edge? Wait, say it. Have Jason pick and then tell me. These four people need your help.

But not so much Jason, but the other three. It is clear right now that Chevrolet has an aerodynamic advantage of what is going on right now. And it's on the unfortunate part, it's not their fault. it's not anybody's fault, but what happens is the rule changes that have been made since the bodies have been wind tunnel and tested and everybody's been even. There's been some changes to the cars that it somehow affected the bodies, the three manufacturers, a little bit differently. So Chevrolet definitely has an advantage, in my opinion right now. Obviously, NASCAR, I think, is working on that for the future probably for next year. But the things that they've had to do to

to fix some of the things. I think Chevrolet, looking at it, has the advantage. So I would go with the Chevrolet team if I was somebody. So with that said, are they going to have the advantage through the rest of the year at these mile and a half of these big tracks? I think it's forcing everybody to work really hard right now. And I think if they work just as hard as everybody else is trying to catch up to them, I think they will, yeah.

So Jason, go first. You got an advantage now. I know you got your pick. He's going to take a Toyota. William Byron. Oh. William Byron swinging for the fences. Who's next?

Casey? Oh, man. Now you just made me reconsider. Casey was going to take a Toyota now. She wants to take a Chevy. No. Justin Haley would be good. Oh, you should have had him yesterday.

You could have finished a second behind me. You know what? Yeah. I'll take Justin Haley. There you go. You go, girl. Man, it's a... I'll do my best for you.

Isn't it a rip riding track, right? Yeah. Who's this two of the two guys? We can all use these guys one time. Yeah, that's the problem is I've already used who you're probably about to say. Go ahead, TJ. I'm going to go Eric Jones. Oh, I was going to take him last.

He's going to get a win this year. We're on TV. Classy. I know, but he just took my guy. And if you wouldn't have taken 35 minutes into one spot off, I'd have given me. Freddie. Hey, I saw him if you're 100. I'm going to take Kyle Larson.

Oh, swinging. Swinging big, Frank. Swinging. I'm going to take Chase Elliott. y'all want to go big we'll go big i got the league i didn't go that big oh you pick edgar jones yeah the hell's wrong with you i'm drunk what do you want me chase elliot kyle larsson's fast man he keeps having bad luck i'll tell you who i'm gonna pick this week i'm gonna pick jimmy blue it at the modified race at riverhead raceway this is this week

right yeah yeah yeah Tommy's going modified race in our home track there flow oh flow does it yeah right yeah oh my own flow so what happened now is two of my bet so i've spotted for jimmy blew it for, I don't even know, since 2005, at least once a year, Turkey Derby. So now a nice spot for Tommy, obviously, growing up and then coming through the sport. So now they've both aligned, so I have no choice but to spot every damn modified race. Before we run it. Don't tell anybody that. Nobody else knows that.

Oh, yeah. So they're going to our home track. Me and Tommy grew up at River Red Raceway, and they're going home this weekend to run. Is it a big race there? It's a tour race. Yeah, the Modified Tourist. Will the Beers kid be there? Yeah, he's going to run the 64 car probably.

Yeah. It'll be a big one. It's actually going to be opening night for Riverhead because they rained out this week. So it'll be their first weekend of the year. Hopefully they do well. I want to get up there sometime. I do too. I do want to go to Riverhead.

You don't have any idea. Like, it's racing, man. Oh, it's, if you think about all the drivers who came through there and race there and then we're successful down here, it's pretty cool.

I mean, Eddie DeHon came from there, right? Eddie, well, Eddie hit everything but the ambulance when he was racing, so you can't count. Can't count Eddie racing, but he's a pretty smart. He's told us some stories that I, that I, Oh, he's been on fire, flipped. He's done it all.

Well, he's told me stories about you and he's not scared. Yeah. Hey, the best, really funny Eddie to hunt story from this weekend, right? I moved him down too. Yeah, I've heard that's TV. So, Xfinity race this week, Doug Campbell does not spot during the Xfinity race because Penske has been.

Oh my gosh. This is hysterical. So this might be what an idiot. I'm getting a text in the middle of race. Me and Brett are on his text chain during the race and I get a text and Doug's like, something's wrong with Eddie. And I'm like, what do you mean? He's like, I don't even know.

He's not, you know, Justin's leading and he's not watching the race. He didn't even know he wasn't spot. He's like, he's on his phone. He's on his phone. So they're like 60 to go. Eddie leaves. Like he just leaves her. And Doug has a heart attack.

Doug's like, oh my God, what's going on? What's wrong with Eddie? Something happened. And finally Brett's like, yeah, he was supposed to spot for Chase and Chase in qualifying. Oh, thank God. He was so worried about Eddie. He was distraught. I mean, he was distraught.

He was destroyed. So Darlington was awesome. We had Red Farmer, Donnie Allison on stage with us, man. Very humbling moment for me being from the state of South Carolina, my home track. But we're off to Kansas. I'm going to let you preview this race. You think it's going to be ripping at top. You think to Christopher Bells, Kyle Larson's, Martin Truex's. Reddick. Reddicks. Those are your guys. They're going to be Martin Truex once he gets in his zone of up top, man. He's pretty good, too. And look, the racing's been great all year. I mean, we've had one probably race that got called out, but wasn't the product's fault.

It was probably the tire was a little bit too hard, in my opinion. Yep. So they're going to go back, and Goodyear will fix that, I guarantee. And then you got to, you know, if you think about it, guys, you have to applaud the whole industry of what they did to what's happened yesterday. We didn't really talk about it today, but there was not many lap cars getting lapped yesterday. And at Darlington, with the speed slowing down, because it handling, you know, the worse you start handling the way worse you are at the end of a run. I didn't see, you know, you look at the

ticket board and you look, watching the leaders, there was hardly, hardly any lapping going on. And that's what the, that's what they were shooting for. That's what the industry was shooting for, for all the cars are running closer together. And you got to applaud everybody for working so hard, the teams, the NASCAR, the people who have developed it. Man, this car has been a success. They, they absolutely are, in my, they are the worst race car to work on, in my opinion. But, but in the same breath, when I've, a little bit I've done with them,

they're so fun to work on handling, to work on them. You can make small changes and get big benefits. Yeah, I mean, they stink to work. I hate them. I hate them.

I really do, but I love them because they are so fun to get them right, to make them handle. And the unfortunate part is I think if they got a little bit more practice,

the racing would be a little bit better because it would allow the guys to get the cars a little bit close, everybody. The smaller teams would get better than the bigger teams because they have less tools and they would use the track to work on the car. They don't have the SIM. They don't have the tire data. They don't have all the things. They don't have the same information. They got a, everyone's got a little bit bits and pieces of it. But you know, you can work on it. I mean, it, when we went to the Phoenix test and, you know, I went with the 27, you know, Laris did a really good job.

But by the second half of the second day, it took us that long to get the car. right, because we had no information, no simulation, just me and just working on the car. And I left there, I'm going, man, if we all had practice like that, but if we're going to show up and have 20 minutes of practice, we're not even going to be in the ballpark because we started a second and a half off and we ended up four tenths off at the end of the day in race room, which I thought was pretty good. And if you looked, I looked at the times in practice, usually it's 1.2 to 1.4 seconds. off from the fastest car to the last place car that don't have problems.

It was only seven-tenths. A lot tighter. At Dornton, seven-tenths. That's pretty cool. I look at Forward Kansas, man. I love that racetrack. I love the Midwest. Those are my kind of people out there.

Another unknown for us going into this weekend. We don't know how these cars are going to perform with the tire good years bringing, but man, I'm pumped up about it. Yeah, I mean, they've raised these type of mile and a halfs already. They have a good idea. The teams are going to be pretty good. It's going to be a fun race. Before we let you go, I got one question for you.

Driving to Darlington. What two towns do you drive through? A little small town. Tommy's also a Yankee. What towns do you drive through? Pageland. And Monroe. There's one little town.

What about the one where you can't speed? Oh, that little, I got, starts with the M. I got two tickets and four miles there at one. You should have called Brett. You know, what stings you? It's, be, uh, what, I don't know, be a, hornet. What a, I don't know. It starts with the name.

It starts with the name of the town. Oh, yeah, yeah. Maybe, May. It's Mick. It's Macbee. No, it's Mick B. I can write it down for it. Oh, yeah, I see it now.

He calls it MacB. He calls it MacB. Well, that's because Larry Mac, Mac, Mac Murray. See, Tommy Gets it. Hey, thanks for coming on. All right, guys. I appreciate it. You got to come back.

Dad, so where can we find TBR now? I know you're doing, I mean, because you're not a Cup series, you're racing probably more now than you ever have. I am. I'm having a lot of fun with the model. them all over up and down to northeast. We got this young kid, Caleb Hedy, running the Smart Tour.

We're pretty much leading the points there. Got Jimmy Blewett and Michael Christopher Jr. running the tour races up north and, you know, started New Smy Smyrna. We were one point added points lead there. Jimmy Blewett, we already won the points championship at New Smyrna in February and Speed Weeks. Awesome.

One in Michael, Jr., and some open races up north and blew it, and we've already won one up at Thompson. So far we're having a good year. Not as good of year as Matt Hirschman. is but I think we're right we're second on as you know as good as we're running to the competition so I'm real excited I'm having a lot of fun got a lot of work ahead of me but it's the cool thing is about Tommy same thing kind of like we're not Tommy's not out for a guy with money you know you're talking about Jimmy Blewett Michael

Christopher are synonymous names in racing Michael Christopher's Teddy Christopher's nephew his dad Mike obviously drove for a long time Jimmy Blewett the Blueitt family's been around forever and it's just awesome for me to see like I said, Jimmy's one of my best friends. Brett had the pleasure of going out drinking with us in my... He's an idiot. Bachelor party. But, you know, so it really works out.

I'm going to spot, I guess. I think I'm going to spot Loudoun. I'm sure we're going to... You're not coming to Riverhead? No, I'm not going to. I don't think I'm making a riverhead this week. I guess I'm spot. You're going to have to spot this one.

But I think we're going to run Loudon right and you're going to run Martinsville, so I'll spot those races. And I just look forward to it. I tell everybody all the time, if I could ever figure out a way for modified racing to make me the same amount of money as I could do cup racing, I'd go modified racing every week of my life. But I always look forward to those opportunities to go back and work with Tommy and Jimmy, obviously.

But yeah, it's fun. And check them guys out, Smart Tour, where the modified tour, open shows at Stafford. There's over 125 modifies room in the Northeast right now with all the different series. And they're all good. They all have their pluses, minuses. But it's fun, man.

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