Door Bumper Clear - 252 - Kansas and Hailie Deegan: Don't Hold Back

Episode Date: May 16, 2022

NASCAR Camping World Truck Series driver and social media star Hailie Deegan joins Brett Griffin, T.J. Majors and Freddie Kraft to debrief the weekend racing at Kansas Speedway. Hailie opens up about her transition from off-road to asphalt racing, her rise through the NASCAR ranks, and the eye-opening reason for switching manufacturer development programs.First up in Spot On, Spot Off, the group discusses Joey Logano’s comments further fueling the feud between William Byron and himself. They talk about whether he’s transitioning into the villain role in the garage area and how they expect him to react if Byron retaliates.Kurt Busch earned 23XI Racing’s second career win on Sunday and the crew discusses his late-race battle with Kyle Larson. Then, they get into the effect Busch has had on the team and Bubba Wallace.Multiple drivers faced tire failures at Kansas and the group explains why teams’ aggressive setups caused the issues. Hailie talks about teams having to weigh the risk versus reward when considering the number of backup parts available.Six Toyotas finished inside the top-10 for the first time since Watkins Glen in 2017. Hear why Denny Hamlin’s crew chief Chris Gabehart says their team is the most dangerous 22nd-place points team in history. Plus, the guys discuss where manufacturer parity currently stands.ARCA team owner Billy Venturini went after Drew Dollar for wrecking one of his cars in an interview. Hailie shares why she’s on her former car owner’s side based on racing around Drew.Finally, Door Bumper Clear producer Jason Schultz tries to explain the confusing Texas Motor Speedway All-Star Race format to the group. They question who at NASCAR is making the decision on the format and what they would do instead. Plus, Hailie shares her thoughts on the need to get younger fans interested in NASCAR.Thank you to our presenting sponsor Offerpad and partners Xfinity and RacingUSA.com for making this show possible. Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Door, Door bumper, Clear. Door, what, you're listening to Door bumper clear presented by OfferPad. I'm Freddie Kraft, and we have a special guest in studio today after Kansas. Haley Deegan's in the house.

We'll learn more about her career. Talk about Kurt Busch and 2311 winning at Kansas, flat left rear tires on Sunday, and the Texas All-Star Race format. That's an hour. in itself. Let's get started. But unfair, this isn't the download. It's door bumper clear.

Nah, don't get it twisted, baby. This isn't the download. Nah. This is door, bumper, clear. Clear, clear, clear. There you go. I like it. Hey, everybody.

I'm T.J. Majors. It's part of the six-cup car and the one truck this weekend. And very excited to introduce our guests for today. Hi. How are you? I'm good. We have Haley Degan on here. And definitely,

brings the female ratio up. And the looks level is way up. It's getting evened out more. She's almost as good looking as Freddie and I. She's blind. That's exactly one day. Red Griffin spotter for colleague racing.

I spotted all of 65 laps this weekend. I'm glad I flew two hours and a half there and two hours home for that debacle. What's up, Freddie Krause, Bobba Wallace, Derek Krauss this week. I had a pretty solid. week in old Kansas City. Good morning, Casey. You look like you've been partying all week. I wonder what you're talking about.

Hey guys, Casey Boat here. You're a marketing professional. Of course, we have Jason Schultz in the studio. Oh, Jason, Schultz. Hey, Salts. How are you? Not quite here.

Haley, I am so excited that you are here because now if the guys give me shit, they have to give it to you too. I'm not the only girl. Haley, is this the proudest moment of your career? now.

100% 100% I told many people I'm going to be on this podcast and they're all very excited for it. I just want to clarify that before we get going. I think you're confusing,

worrisome with excitement. It's the same thing at the end of the day. Are you sure they weren't being sarcastic? Possibly. I don't know. We'll find out by it. I'm really sorry that they put you next to Brett and T.

Casey? You're starting it already. She's like, did she not just say? make fun of me, but I'm going to make fun of all y'all. Yes. Yeah, damn right. I mean, none of us had a super exciting weekend like you did.

You want to start with Casey? How was Kansas, guys? Congratulations, Freddie. Where was Casey at this weekend? I'm kind of lost on these Casey stories. It looked like Miami. No, it was not Miami. She was in Florida.

I was in Florida. Okay. Panama City? It wasn't Daytona. I flew in the Panama City. Definitely not Daytona. I was in 30A, like Rosemary Beach area. Never heard of it.

I have known. I know idea of that. Nobody has. Nope. It's probably good. It's probably a place where to go. My parents are looking at a house down there. So nice. If they ever need renters, just let me know.

Can your parents dance like Casey can? I don't know. I think I need to see the video of Casey dancing to know. By the time this show airs. So, TJ, would you like to describe this video to our listeners? TJ's always got all the inside scoop. I don't want to tell.

No, I do not want to describe this because I can tell the way Casey's looking at me right now. I don't even want to look at her. She's glad. She was not flexible. Is she still looking? I heard you say dance off and my money is on Casey 100%. No, I've got bread every day. Every dance off ever. You've never seen this. You've never seen this. Maybe it clogging

or whatever he does. Whatever that is. Give me bread at 1 o'clock in the morning in Nashville, Tennessee, and I'll take on any dance competition in the world. We will be in Nashville in a few weeks. I will be there. I just need to know what I'm up in. against. I need to know how hard I got to bring it. You will not know. Sorry. Is this it? I'm trying. Jason's got it. Jason's sent that to all of us so we can share it right now. Yes. Jason has found the twerking.

Stop. I'm not working. Are you going to turn into Britney Spears on us? Is that what's happening? Well, I used to, growing up, I was a dancer. So I just brought back the moves. Um, a classy dancer. Oh. So you threw a lot out of way this week. Contemporary. I feel like you could be a contemporary. What is it a whole lot of me? No, I wasn't graceful enough for that. Brett, what the hell is a classy dancer? Like, I don't, I've never heard of that description before.

I mean, I, no, I wasn't graceful enough for that. So what kind of dancing are we doing? We're not doing contemporary. We're not doing lyrical. We're obvious, are we jazz dance in hip-hop? So, yeah, it was hip-hop. It was like, uh. Oh, it's hip-hop, all right.

This is, this is nothing like, you know, was getting the pond, like dirty dancing and prat- So how was Kansas, guys? There's no dancing at the Great Wolf Lodge where I was at. Let me tell you, if you want to know what it's like to be a 47-year-old, grown-ass man and feel really weird, stay at the Great Wolf Lodge by yourself. I walked in to check in and I was like, this is so awkward. I don't know what to even do right now. Yes, sir, can we help you?

I'm like, yeah, Griffin, check in. Oh, just one of you today, Mr. Griffin, I'm like, yeah, this isn't weird at all. Yeah, no, it's just me. He tells me about it, like, whatever he got his it, it's an it's it, like, yeah, I'm at the Great Wolf this week. It's weird. I'm laughing at him. I'm like, ha, ha, ha, who staged the Great Wolf?

And then I got mine on Wednesday. And it was, oh, yeah, I'm at the Great Wolf, too. Did you do the water park? Thank God there was a hooter's way. No, you know how weird I fell in the water park? Me out there are my man boobs right now, water size by my damn self. I literally would have to borrow somebody's kids so that I didn't feel so weird. Could you imagine all the parents are like,

I'm just picturing Brett and Freddie going up the stairs. to slide together. We actually did like the tandem tubing. It was fun. The only 40 plus year old man that feels comfortable at amusement parks by themselves is Tony Hirschman. He does it all the time. And he goes every week, wherever there's one.

He's got to be on somebody's list by now because he is literally a 45-year-old man, whatever he is, walking around musin parks by himself at all time. Every week just essentially. Purposely for fun. Yeah, for fun. Like he goes by himself. Like when he comes to, he'll come here next week, he'll go to Carowans. Whether or not anybody goes with him, he's going to Carrowin.

next week at some point. I guarantee it. Really? Yeah. It's so awkward. Has he ever been reported for like a suspicious person? I'm telling you he's on a list somewhere. He's like they've got his picture on the wall. They follow him with the cameras as he's walking through the park.

I guarantee it. But like Rodney Childers ran into a Rodney Childers had his kids with him. Ironically enough. Weird. What most people do at parks. Yeah. And he, him and his kids are in line for like the bumper cars somewhere, maybe a caroans, I guess. And Hirsch is out there just lacing into like eight-year-olds by himself on the bumper cars,

having the time of his, And Rodney's like, oh, who you hear with? And Tony's like, yeah, nobody. So speaking of Tony Hirschman and Kyle Busch, lately, last week we had Tommy Baldwin on our show. And we have a new challenge for our guests. Tommy came on our show and he called Kyle Busch a little bitch. Oh, man.

I do not condone you calling anybody a little bitch on the show. No, I think I should call Kyle Busch. We're still in the truck series. If you do, I will give you $100. If you find at any point in show a reason to call anybody other than myself a little bitch. Do you know how much racing costs? 100 bucks can give me like a tariff. Maybe for the $100

Is it $100 per mention or just one time? It's a one time job. I've only got like five mentions in me today, but definitely the first one is worth a hundred bucks. Oh man, yeah. Well, I think, Kyle. You can call T.J. a little bit. Are me and Kyle?

Are me and Fred is eligible for this? Are you, no, it's just it's just a guest. Yeah, it's just Haley. TJ's on my side more than anyone is right now. Yeah, because you pay him. Yeah, yeah. He gets a lot of 100. Either way, he's on my side.

He's done with you. He can't bash Joy Lugano last week on here because Joey's no longer paying him. I did not bash him. I just said it was a little, I didn't like the move because a car got destroyed. And I don't like when race cars get destroyed like that. It's backing up. That's exactly what I said. Well, maybe I would say we could start with like Kansas Cup race, but maybe we should start

with Kansas truck race since, you know, you guys were here. Well, I mean, we could back up even further than that. We have a guest on here, and maybe a lot of people may not know Haley. We're obviously every shoot. Everybody should know Haley. Horrible intro, by the way, T.J. Like, really stepped it up. Like, so the first time Haley popped up on my radar was driving Bill McAnally's car

out in the West Series because she was teammates with Derek. And I was helping Derek already some late model stuff. And that's where she popped up. But like, where did you get into racing from? I know you did some, like, stadium truck kind of racing, whatever that was. So I did off road truck racing since I was eight years old when my dad started off road truck racing in the Lucas Oil Offroad Series. I pretty much just went over there and it was kind of family thing. I was really just there because my parents or my dad was racing already and then

I just fell in love with it and then we started getting better, started winning races, winning championships. And at like 15 years old, I kind of peaked in that series and I was like, okay, well, what's next? And so my mom actually signed me up for the diversity program. It said it didn't submit or whatever. And somehow I ended up in North Carolina. And I was like, okay, well, what's next? And so, my mom actually signed me up for the diversity program. driving a legend car and late model and stuff. So I kind of got into that deal a little bit. And then all of a sudden I got picked up by Toyota and spent a couple years with them on a couple K&N races

and then I switched forward. So you haven't been oval racing very long? Not in the grand scheme of things. No, I haven't not very long at all. I got like not much family background in it. Like all of it's still new to me. I've learned the ropes now of it. But at the beginning I was so lost.

It's so different for me. the people are different. I just feel like the whole atmosphere is a total change for me. Yeah. I personally love to see females come into the sport as drivers. I worked with Johanna Long for a little while. It was a huge Danica Patrick fan. Like I love to see the progression.

So you're having to play catch up. And that's kind of the thing that most females in sports, motor sports have to do anyway, because guys do start racing in this world now at five years old. And it's crazy how good they can be by the time they're nine. So they have 10 years more experience, the majority of the guys you're around, right? So how do you close that gap? Yeah, like I'm not touching pavement until I was about 15 years old.

Like, it's tough, very, very tough. But I don't even know if there's a way to close that gap. Like, you go back on like racing reference. Matt Crafton's been racing trucks longer than I've been alive. Like, it's hard to make up those years. Like, that's tough. True story. It's tough to beat that experience.

Like, knowing that those guys have been to those tracks 20 times. Like, and you're just going there for the first time, like, last year with no practice, just taking the green and hoping that your truck is kind of what they say it's like and going to handle that way and nothing's going to go wrong. It's hard to trust that. Well, not only, not only have they been to the track probably for 15, 20 years, for multiple races, years and mass. We used to practice hours, two, three hours sometimes for trucks, we get a couple hours of practice. And now there's 20 minutes and good luck. Yeah, 20 minutes and were riding to qualifying.

And that was just this year. I mean, how many races do you go to where your first lap on the track was the green flag of the race? Majority. You know, 20, last year, last year,

it was tough last year because we did a lot of sim work, just virtual stuff. Like, this is what a start's going to be like. This is what this is going to be like. Because our first lap was going to be at the green flag. Yeah. So we did a lot of work of situational stuff like that. That'd have been the hardest year to enter any racing series in general.

And you're, you know, the toughest year. And I don't think a lot of people realize this. And I think, you know, you come out of the ARCA series, you come out of the K&N series with wins and people just think, wow, you know, she's going to be amazing here. You know, she's the next big thing. Talk about how big that step is

from the ARCA slash K&N series to the truck series. Because I mean, the competitiveness and the level of competition you're going to go against ramps up by 10 times, maybe 20 times, you know? Oh yeah. I feel like I kind of got into the K&N ARCA stuff as it started going on. It's downslop.

Like you see where it's at now. It's nowhere near where it was four years ago. And I feel like it just, it almost didn't prepare me properly in the way I felt like I should have been prepared for it, just with the competitive level. Instead of going out there and having 20 great trucks and it was five good cars and it's still like, yeah, those guys are good, but there's only five of them, few wrecks or whatever, you take out two or three. And then next thing you know, it's just you and someone else.

And so I feel like there was a lot of situations where I did look. learn, but I needed to learn more and prepare more. And those tracks were small that we were racing on. So like when we go to like a Martinsville, I feel comfortable. But like, then you start going these bigger tracks, it was, it took some time to learn. But I think that I've tried to use every single resource to prepare for it, but it's still hard, very, very hard. One thing I've been impressed with you is I've seen people race like idiots around you. And I've seen them, I don't want to say take advantage of you. I just think they've, they've raced you poorly and, and put you in really bad positions. And I don't see you really returning the favor. Like for your age and your experience

level, that's impressive because I say this all the time. When I sat down to talk to Noah Gregson, when he was leaving the truck series to go up to the Xfinity series, I said, you're going to be a better Xfinity series driver because, A, you're not around a bunch of idiots all the time, which if you're after about eighth place on backing trucks, there's more idiots than not back there. It's terrible. And the trucks are so dependent upon one another to go fast. You have to use each others air and you have to side draft and you have to do all the things that actually suck that in terms of being independent as a race car driver how do you keep your cool in there that was the hardest part was learning the air like having people talk to you and coming from

off-red racing you can deal with air like I had no clue like what do you mean you got you got feel the air and feel on your right rear whatever I'm like I had no clue I was getting myself into I'm like man it's going to be hard to like feel the air and so that was a challenge but I feel like it wasn't as hard as I thought it was going to be. But even racing around those guys, I feel like we do get taken advantage of a lot. But also, I get fired up when someone does something to me, like really fired up. And I think it's my dad kind of like speaking through me. But we've had so many situations where we've gotten wrecked out or put in bad positions. And it could just be not our fault and just get in a situation, someone else's situation. And I feel like I have kept my cool because I

know how crucial it is that I need good finishes start popping off good finishes get the moment I'm going and that's why I don't retaliate to take that chance of something happening to me you see oh my gosh it's you get a tire of and it's just downhill quick and like that's something that I don't want to put myself in that position very mature of you to do that I don't think she's ever keyed up and lost her cool not one time I don't key up when I lose my call just just just just scream without hitting the button that's all my buddy got stuck at um where was last one actually yeah you did actually a key up one time. She yelled to me. I did.

Well, you got a spot, remember. You probably don't know. No, she, we were coming, we're going on the backstretched, Darlington, coming to the green. So I'm like, all right. Oh, yeah, I did. Clean your tires up. And, you know, everything you do to get ready. And we're going through three and four. And she's, I say something, or she keys up and talks back.

Well, all the truck noise, the motor never goes away. So the button's like still keyed. It's stuck down. We go green. I'm spotting. But every time I let off, I can still hear the motor and all that. so you know the driver still keyed up. And I mean, we're going through one and two,

and I'm just like, I'm still spotting, but every time I let off, I can hear the truck motor still. So I know it's like, overruling you. Yes. And I know she probably doesn't know it because you can't tell. Yeah. Yeah. So I think she just thought I had an issue or something when it, like,

as soon as I heard the motor stop, I'm like, Haley, your button stuck. So, you know, your button sticking, don't push unless you have to. But yeah, I guess she yelled at me for that. Yeah. I keyed up. Did you call on a little? I just, like, it was off of two.

I just remember just like, key, because I was so focused on what was going on. Like, I'm. Well, Darlington's tough through one and two. Yeah, yeah. Trying to see, make sure they're not stacking up because that happens a lot. Darlington, someone lights at the tires. That rose stacking.

So I'm trying to look and like, see what's going on there. And then trying to protect my right side. Seeing how many trucks are on my inside. So I know how much room I have to turn down the track off too. And like, I was utter panic. And so I just grabbed. grab button one time. I was like, sweater. And then it started working again.

Good, good. Yeah, on that note, obviously from your background, you're not used to having a spotter. So that had to have been tough having a main cars around here. My type of dirt racing, I had a spotter. Okay.

So it wasn't like typical dirt racing, like you got a Millbridge and stuff. Yeah, got it. Midget racing. Like, it's not. It's, we had spotters. Okay. So my dad was my spotter.

So I got my ass rib. I'm sure. I'm switching from your dad to TJ. was a real adjustment too. I had to tell TJ to kind of like don't hold back. Like I'm, I can't, I don't do well with monotone. I'm like, like, say if you like, if you're like want to say something, like say it. Like lay into me if I'm feeling something wrong.

Yeah. And like I feel like I had to kind of tell. I feel like everyone gets a little like kind of a little, I don't know if it's just the NASCAR world side of it. Like everyone stays a lot more calm. That's what I do. I stay so calm already. I like being fired up.

I like someone to yell at me if I'm doing something wrong. Like I like that aggressive like on the radio. else I start getting monotone and then I start not driving as good when I'm or making like as aggressive moves when I'm monotone. I usually stay really calm most of the time. Yeah, the only time like if I see you like you can kind of hear, I think I did it at Kansas one time when you follow somebody. I'm like, all right, if he goes here, you go ahead. Then you followed him. Yeah, the 25. Yeah. I'm like, that's where you have to move. Like you cannot follow him. He's doing this on purpose. Yeah. But I don't feel like, I mean, I didn't yell, but I was like, look, this is what you can do that. Yeah. I can tell by your tone and stuff.

I'm like, okay, I did something wrong. I need. I do that again. He has like the dad tone, right? I didn't yell, but I'm like, my dad. My dad would lay into me. Maybe like regular, like, soccer that time. But like, dude, I got my ass. Let's talk about that for a second. I mean, what's it like growing up with a badass like Brian Deegan for a dad? I mean, just your childhood alone, I can't imagine what that was like.

It was intense. Like, I feel like every moment was intense. Like, you're always, if you say something just a little bit wrong or like not the way that, like, he wanted, it was like hardcore lecture. Not like, not lectures and like, I'm so disappointed in your, whatever. Like, you got, you just got laid into you. Like, I'm glad she's on today. Yeah. I see him do it to Hayden too.

And it's so funny because like now seeing it and like where someone else is you're in your shoes, you're like, man, this is funny to see if now. Where you don't even have an opportunity to get a word in or try to explain yourself because you already messed up by not saying it the right way the first time. And you're like, I just got to take it as point. So what's his reaction? What's your brother's reaction when he's getting? Oh man.

He just, my little brother, he now, he just completely, like, shuts it out and just does his own thing. Like, he'll just walk and just, like, wander off. But, like, I get a call from my dad. And I don't think they understand the NASCAR world fully just yet because it's hard to understand unless you've done it. Like, it was so hard for me to even understand why I was getting into. But, like, I get a call. Like, and they still think it's like, Kain and West. And so my dad will call me my mom will call me for the race.

I'll be at driver shows, like, about to walk on stage. And he's like, just take those guys out. Like, remember what you did and came into it? I'm like, dad, like, it's Daytona. Like, I can't just do that. And, like, it's tough to explain. And, like, the whole air side of it, like, it's so hard for people to understand when you haven't done it before.

I saw him around the track a lot when you first started. Is he still come around some? Yeah, so my little brother just started racing for Yamaha out in Florida. And he's a stud your little brother. Yeah, so they're very taken up with his stuff. And now I'm kind of, I'm out on my own. I got my own house. And so they're a little bit less involved because they have to focus so much on Hayden because he's in crucial years of his career.

Like he's at the right now the most crucial part. So they're focusing a lot of time on him, which is great. Like Hayden's a badass at what he does. And he's going to be very, going to be very successful. And it's good that they're investing their time in him. Yeah. So you mentioned earlier the Toyota piece. Obviously you're with Ford now.

When those talks were going on and you were considering switching, who'd you lean on during that time? because obviously it's not only a business move, it's a big competition move. And we all know how invested Toyota is in the sport. I mean, we've had Harrison Burton, other Toyota guys on our show, talking about all the things they bring to the table. So not only what was attracted, but who was helping you make this decision? Because that's a big decision. Well, my dad was actually with Ford back in the day for multiple years. And so I already knew everyone at Ford.

And he had relationships with those people. And, like, they saw me at a little age running around X games and stuff. but it was honestly kind of a no-brainer for me. I feel like I already knew everyone over there. I already kind of had that connection with them. But also I feel like at Toyota, like I've never really talked about this much because it doesn't get asked much, but I was promised a lot of things that weren't kept.

And I kind of laid on those promises, kind of expecting them because it was like, oh, if you do this, like, we'll make sure you're doing this now next. and I was promised so much that I didn't receive. Wow. I feel like my deal got smaller and smaller every single year. Like that first year was awesome, but it just,

they started backtracking on it a little bit. And like even like when they promised like, oh, if I win, I'll get this and never just got those things. So I, that's one thing. If I, I am all about people being like true and honest and doing what they say they're going to do. And as soon as that happens, you lose that trust and you lose that.

relationship and it puts a wedge in between it. I didn't like it. Right, right. Well, you made a right move. So I was looking up some of your social media stats. You're almost as big as TJ Majors. Twitter 132,000 followers. YouTube, 457,000 followers. Facebook, 725,000 followers. Instagram, 1.2 million. TikTok, like 3.1 million. You are quite the freaking social media mogul. Thank you. How'd you hear that? I just, I love social media. I've loved it from a young age. And I felt like it was fun showing my personality and like showing people like who I was and my journey. But I hate Twitter.

I absolutely hate Twitter. That's why I've not that many followers on it. I barely ever go on it, rarely ever go on it. Just because I hate the negativity part of it. I like people who are positive and funny on social media. That's why I hate Twitter. So I pretty much focused on Instagram my whole life, just posting quality stuff every single day, never missing it. always showing people my story what was going on.

And then TikTok, the reason why I have so many followers on there is because when COVID hit and we weren't racing anymore, I had nothing else to do. Like, racing's my life. Like, I really had nothing else to know. Yeah, we were all pretty much in that. Yeah, as you guys understand too. So pretty much, like I, every single day, like I posted like two videos with like the trends that were going on.

And that was kind of at the time of TikTok were like, you were hitting it hard and doing it right. Like you were popping off. And it grew, it grew, it grew my Instagram. a lot too. People transferred over. But I get recognized so much is at like the grocery store from TikTok.

Like a bunch of little kids. And the coolest thing too is like you're providing the content that fans want to see like that behind the scenes. The content that's like not structured or I mean it's obviously some of it's edited but you're showing your life. Which I feel like a lot of people don't provide that access. I'm very true and honest on social. And like you said like Instagram TikTok give you a

better platform to show your personality. It's based on pictures and videos where you know, you're not getting somebody's personality through a tweet that you're reading. Obviously, you can post a video on there. But like, like you said, Twitter is, is an interesting place for sure in the racing world. Like it's, but you know, maybe you can help grow take Casey's TikTok now. I can help you out, but like on. So what we're getting is she hates Darfs on Twitter. Yeah. Well, you know. We all do. Not unless like the Darfs. The reason why Twitter is so bad and so negative is because it gives. people who haven't earned a voice a voice.

That's the problem with Twitter. And like people, usually you have to earn that respect to people to, for your opinion to be valued. And I feel like Twitter is the only place where you can say whatever you want with two followers and it could pop off. Yeah, your profile is an egg. I learned a long time ago with, especially with the Bubba stuff, like, the only thing they want you to do is reply to them.

Yeah. Like, that's all they want. And you do. If you do reply to it, they go, oh, such a big fan. Or if you blocked them, oh, look, so and so blocked me. Like, I just, every one of them, every DARF that I encounter on Twitter, I just ignore them. Or I like their tweet, like sometimes just because they, like, you're not bothering me.

Like, I don't care. But it's people like that. Well, I don't look at Twitter much anymore is because of that. Because literally went, you know, Del Jr. retired. I went from, oh, you're really, I hate you. I mean, I literally got, I literally got direct messages saying, I hate you, I cannot believe you're doing this. Like, what did I do?

Like, I, you know, it actually gives me a lot of hope. when people talk bad about you because I'm like, look, you can do nothing wrong and like be one of the best fighters in the game and still get talked bad about. And so I'm like, that gives me hope. I found that out right when I told people where I was going when I left Dell Jr. That was, uh, yeah, yeah. Before we dive into the show, I got to ask you one thing. Every driver I've ever worked with has tracks they circle on their calendar. Like, hey, that's a place I'm going to run well. What's your tracks you circle at the beginning of the year saying, I think I got a shot to win there. Kansas. Kansas was Kansas, but maybe next Kansas, but a mile and a halfs. I don't know why,

but whenever we get to mile and a halfs, I feel like those are my deal. Like I feel so comfortable there. Like maybe it's because everything kind of slows down a little bit. I'm able to more so process what I'm doing. Because I feel like I know exactly what to do, but sometimes it'll happen too quick to where I can't do it exactly right. But I feel like when you get on those mile and half tracks like Kansas, I can kind of see when things are going to happen, like when Stewart Freezing was kind of pulling like the slider move on me in one and two. Like, I knew exactly what was going to happen before. And I knew if I tried turn in his wake, wasn't going to be able to turn. So I made sure I turned before and was already angled. So when he did

slide across me, I was already in the right direction to go. So like I feel like it all slows down from me on half. So I'm able to use all the knowledge that I've learned. We worked pretty hard on the air stuff for a while. And she only made like a couple small mistakes in the beginning. as soon as she felt like what it was like to be directly behind something and lose the nose that was like it never like probably can't it's probably only been like two or three times every mile and a half we've ran so far total like she's really good at keeping the left front out like when Stuart was like diving in there

she backed off early so she could she turned anything past him again but she's gotten really good at utilizing the air to her advantage she's really good at doing that stuff so it's she honestly air is pretty hard to teach when I did work with Danica it was super hard for it like we it was really it's a hard learning curve for that stuff

you picked it up very quick so I think that's when people when things string out the mile and a half stuff we start passing people you know and she goes forward so I do like mile and a half is definitely your strengths

yeah I'm looking forward to Charlotte and Texas obviously obviously we all want to win everybody goes to racetrack wanting to win what is this successful weekend for Haley Deegan like what are you obviously we want to win like I said, but like what is, what are you happy? If you, if you run where are you having a good weekend?

I would say top 10. I would say top 10 is a good weekend. If pit crews on point, if I get a decent truck, like I would say top 10 is a good finish. Don't get wrecked by five guys running five wide in a turn three at Barlinton. You know, you get put in the fence at Martinsville on the first stage. It's, like, it's, that, I live there. That, that 10th to 15th world in the truck series is a nightmare. It's there's so many, the horror part about it,

there are so many bad habits that you're learning bad habits yeah like first time went to martins well i said look where people were embarrassed and i'm going to unteach you everything you're going to learn right here because it's like they dive three wide to the bottom they're even try to pass people they just run into you the first time they get to you and that's not how you should race so it might we didn't have to worry about that since we got put three wide and got flat in like the first 10 laps so yeah so we're uh we're ready to kick it be opinionated be fun be everything that tj's not pretty much well Post Penske's better.

Yeah, post Penske's way better. He post Penske. The Bojangles biscuit he had this morning will definitely help TJ bring it today. We'd like to thank Bojangles for the breakfast. I'd like to make a quick content comment because that's my thing. I think Haley's got the best content

of all drivers in NASCAR and understands it better than anybody else. And coming from me, the director of content. That's our director of content. I think is your next question. By the way, a little back to know, Jason created his own. Content.

No, he created his own title for his. job. Nobody gave him his title. He's really in the count coordinate either. Content coordinator. All right. Speaking of content, Dirty Mo Media is going to the Indy 500 for the first time in a few weeks. We're going up there to capture all kinds of cool content ongoing. Our other assistant producers, Andrew Kernan and Ben Walton, are going. It's going to be a really fun time. A lot of cool stuff planned. And we're also launching this big piece of new

original content, Dirty MoMo Media, that's going to debut the week leading up to the Indy 500. So stay tuned for that. Wow. And there's Ben. Yep. Hey, TJ figured out his name. It's only took in two months now, whatever it is. Going to the Snake Pit?

Yeah, probably Snake Pit. Han and New House is going to be there too, so we're going to hang out with her and Snake Fit. That's going to be fun. Hashtag Ask Jr. Yeah, exactly. Andrew's one of his buddies. And the best thing about Andrew is he borrowed his dad's car one time and he stopped to put gas in it. And he put diesel in it.

You know what? I actually messed up one time. Oh, no. Don't do it. No. No. How was I supposed to know? You know, the sprinter van took diesel.

Oh, you put gas in a diesel. But that would fit. You know, the diesel doesn't fit in the regular gas deal, right? But he just launched around in there. Okay, now that's a different story. He just stood back and shot it in there, I guess. I don't know. And this kid's like, his IQ is probably 300.

Way higher. So if anyone spent it in Indy before tells us what we should go do in indie, what we should go see, what we should go capture. You got to go to San Elmo's. I don't care if you get a steak, but you got to get a shrimp cocktail. We already got a reservation there. Mike's early on board for that one. I'm sure.

Wow. It wouldn't get you to Vegas there. It's a Harry Nizzies. Harry Nizzies is the same thing. Next door. Go to the wild beaver anytime after midnight. What? Oh, God.

I swear to God, it's not a strip club. I know it sounds like one, but it's not. It's a karaoke bar. It's the, it's the Indianapolis version of Syed's essentially. Everybody gets drunk and ends up there at midnight. Haley, do you know why they call strip clubs, shoe shows. No.

Because the women are only wearing shoes. Isn't that only Vegas ones? Well, yeah, around here it's not that way. I mean, you'd be surprised

that some of the places they've been to on the circuit. Yeah. Yeah, that's a funny part. I feel like you, every team has their like little spots. Yeah, this is supposed to be on TV.

That's okay. Can't be mentioning this stuff. What? What? QTJ's comment, cut that one out. Are you going to get in the creek and find a brick?

Well, I was going to ask Dale about that. I was wondering if that's a legal for people just go like, you know, casually go. I think you need to, it's got to be on the DL. But it's,

listen, get in there and do it. I can hook you up with Brett Wins. Brent Wins. He, I've been trying to get him to get me one. He just got one two or three years ago. And there's a bunch in there still.

So what to find you want? I want one. So I'm getting mine before you. Okay. He's careful with those security guards. So they're aggressive. Them yellow shirts. Oh,

yeah. Whistles. We got flashed. I hope it's documented of them just raming your ass. Okay. That'll cut it all out. He'll cut it out if they do. No,

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Spot on means you agree. I'm spot on. Are you joking me? He's lost his. mind. Oh, and by the way, no one ever seems to agree. And then spot off means you disagree. Spot off. Here we fucking go. This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. But if you're T.J. Um, uh, uh, there's only one correct answer. I don't know. It's time for spot on, spot off. First topic, Haley, I'm throwing you into the fire right now. Okay. Joey Lagan,

says, if Byrd wants to keep going back and forth, I'll keep swinging. I don't think that's a good play for him in the long run. He can keep going, but I can promise you I'll keep going and go bigger every time. Spot on, spot off. Is this like a quote they said? Like, oh yeah, he said that. I mean, I think spot on, right? Yeah. I don't know. He said his piece. Yeah, I mean, if someone does something to you. That was a mic drop. Do it back and more. I mean, he's shot the shot across the bow there. I mean, and Joey's shown this in the past. He is not afraid to run into somebody for whatever it is,

whether it's a win or not. I mean, Brett said it on here last week. Nobody's been swung at more than Joey Lugano in this sport. And there's a reason for that. So, you know, this didn't come as a surprise to me. And I think you race Joey accordingly going forward. Yeah, if you do it to someone once, like then if they don't do anything back, you know you can do it again.

Yep. Brett. I think that William Byron owes Joy Ligano one, and I think Joey needs to take it like a man when it happens. I am, look, I didn't spot off Joy Lugano last week for the move. And I thought, you know, it was a chicken shit move, but I didn't spot off him for it because he won the race. And we talk about win the race at all cost. And he did that, right? That's his decision.

I mean, he had to walk in the garage this week and be stared at by all his competitors and peers. And I promise you, they look down on him a little bit for making that move. but he's got to carry that weight. But here we are back talking about a comment that Joy Ligano made, which was, I can go bigger than William Byron. Well, let me tell you something. If I'm William Byron, T.J., here's what I'm going to do. I'm going to race my balls off to beat that guy every single weekend.

But if there comes a time when I'm out of the playoff and he's still in, that's when I'm going to pay him back. Yeah, that's, you basically put the words out of my mouth. I don't know if it's a, you know, William goes into the playoff. playoffs has some bad luck in the beginning, that target on you gets a lot bigger. And to me, you're just making it bigger by this stuff right here. And I do agree that, you know, William, they asked William, it's weird because William, I think he said, you know, he felt like Joey was, I forget what he said exactly,

but he's like, he's one up on him. So then they were like, you owe him one. I didn't say that. Well, you just basically said you owed him one. But. smiley is turning into a villain is what's happening joy lagano nobody smiles more than joy legano i don't think so right warren vagus is his manager warren vagus actually worked for me for four to five years um he left my company and went to be joy's manager super proud of joy need

somebody in his ear to give him a little bit of humble pie because i don't i don't really know what he's doing right here are you going to smile and being ass at the same time i like the fact that he's walking the walk here or talking the talk but when it comes time like you said if something does happen, I want to see what the reaction is then. Oh, we saw it. We saw it a few years ago when Kenseth stuffed him in the fans in Martinsville. He didn't take it very well. After he had wrecked Kenseth the week before at Kansas, I think it was. It was, you know, essentially knocked Matt out of the playoffs. Matt did the same back to Joey.

I think it was the next race or later? It was the next race, I think. Was it? I thought it was later for some reason. Maybe it was two weeks later, but I mean, that's the thing, though. William didn't retaliate this weekend. He's got in his back pocket. And we said it on here about Ty Gibbs, whatever it was, a month ago when that deal with Sam, before the deal with Sam, Mayer, you know, Ty was being very aggressive and pushing people around. And we were going to see how he reacted when it came back to him. And we saw that. And we talked about this. And Haley, you know, this is probably something people tell you. Like, if you're going to give it out, you better be ready to get it. And I don't care. I have no fault with anybody that wants to race aggressively. I just don't want to hear you cry and complain when you get it back. He's already crying. If Byron wants to keep going, we'll keep going. Byron isn't one, he's not the one going. You're the one going. I just think the pass could have been made without destroying the other guy and just wrecking him. That's what I'm saying.

You know what I think he would have drove right by him, honestly. Yeah, if you get there, whatever it was, two to go and you make an attempt, you dive to the bottom of three and four and it doesn't work, and you regroup an hour, now I'm coming to the checker and you move him. I have way less of a problem with that. But as soon as he called him last week, he put the bumper to him and gave him no shot, drove him straight in a fence. So that was where my only fault was never even made an attempt to pass him.

Spot on, spot off. Kurt Bush's move to get past Kyle Larson for the win at Kansas and earn a win with his fifth different cup organization. Freddie. Hey, Kurt. That's great. 2311's great. I told you guys.

This is the past. It's going to happen in Darlington. Yeah, 100%. They raised each other respectfully. I heard, you know, Kyle got in the fence a little bit when Kurt was going by them. For the 50th time. Yeah, no kidding. I mean, God, he was in the fence all day.

Yes. He was. but like somebody, I don't know if it was Cliff or a spotter came on there and said, he just fenced us. And Kyle's like, no, he didn't. Like Kyle knew, yeah, Kyle knew like he didn't run me in the wall. He raced me hard and I got myself in the wall, you know? And it was good for Kyle to step up and say that because if he didn't, you know,

a lot of people would be jumping on Kurt today about wrecking Kyle. But yeah, this is how you race. Like, Kurt was the better car. Kurt was the best car for at least a second half of the race yesterday. His car was on the rails. Yeah, awesome. And he ran down Kyle, push and passed in, then ran down Kyle Larson, past him.

So, I mean, that's how you earn a win in the Cup series and did it the right way at the same time. I'm spot on for Kurt Busch. He's one of the best drivers in the series. He's one of the best NASCAR drivers I've ever personally seen race. And he did it the right way. I would have to give a shout out to him, too, for digging himself out of a few holes. The 2311 pit crews, and I'm sure Freddie, you know, has watched this probably close.

And I have, they've struggled this year. Their net loss on pit road is probably as bad as anybody in the top 15, top 20 in points. So to overcome some of those pit road issues as an organization and still be able to win the race speaks a lot to how good of a driver he is because track position is still king. And the further you go to the back, the harder it is to get back to the front. I mean, I really like Kyle Larson, but I would say with everything with that situation for sure, Kurt, like I think it was all good. I'm spot on.

That was a great race to guys. And Kurt got up on the wheel and made the pass. And even if he did brush Larson a little bit, I'd have been okay with that too. You're going for a win. Larson was very aggressive with him. He didn't hit him, but, I mean, at one point I looked up off of two, and Larson's car was pointing right at us.

And I was like, oh, gosh, he's going to, or Kurt's getting ready to drive right into him. And what a race, I mean, for those guys up there. And Kurt was the best car. And dude got up on the wheel, spot on. It's one of Haley's favorite tracks. She wants to go there twice a year. I personally don't.

I think yesterday's race was phenomenal, but give me that in the playoff, give me that starting the playoff. I mean, I'm looking at Jeff Gluck's poll right now, was Kansas a good race. 90% of people are saying yes. We have to figure out a way to make that race a little bit more special and a little bit more of a big event to get that place, to get that place packed. And in order to do that, you put it right there on the playoffs or right at the fringe of playoffs.

It's not far behind Homestead as far as that type of a racetrack. Great racetrack. Yeah. Restarts insane. going back to Kurt, you know, Kurt had a ton of speed last week at Darlington and unfortunately had two bad pit stops where he came out of the pits

last and was still driving back up to the top five to seven every run essentially. And then we got caught up in the same wreck on the backstretch there. But I mean, you look at Kurt's stats. This is 19th season with a win. I think there's only like three or four guys in the sport that have had more than that,

Richard and Kai and Jeff and all them. Nine consecutive winning seasons now in a row. And I feel like that's something that blew, That was more surprising to me than the fact that he had won 19 years because I know he's been around for a while and he's been a really good driver. That's a lot. Nine consecutive seasons and that's across three different teams and without losing, you know, this is his fifth different organization he's won in. This is why I felt like he was the perfect teammate for us at 2311 because you don't have, and we see this right now at trackhouse. I feel like we talked about the beginning of the year.

When when Kurt Busch comes over to 2311 racing, I don't think anybody's expecting Bubba Wallace to go out there every week and outrun Kurt push. You know what I mean? And it's you're bringing in a guy that's essentially there to mentor Bubba. You know, Kurt's probably on the downside of his career. Obviously, he's not going to go anywhere for a little while here, but you know, this guy here is here to help Bubba. You know, that's the clear

and cut case there as opposed to a team like track house where you've got two guys, Ross and Daniel, that are head to head. There's no clear cut number one. I mean, right now there probably is, considering how well Ross is running. But it's easy to see them guys budding heads more so than Kurt and Bubba because they both, Bubba and Kurt are established in their different points of their career.

But yeah, I mean, 2311, we've had incredible speed this year, I felt like. Kurt doesn't feel threatened by a Bubba. No, and Bubba doesn't feel like if he doesn't go out there every week and beat Kurt, you know, that he's doing something wrong. I think Kurt would enjoy seeing Bubba have success. And, I mean, we have meetings every week before the race. They have meetings every week, you know, at the shop. And the teamwork is incredible.

The cars have been rocket fast. this is the best Bubba's ever driven in his career. We don't really have a lot of great results to show for it for many other factors. But yeah, I mean, yesterday was tough. We had driven back up to the top five with 50 to go and got another pit road penalty, unfortunately. And Bubba still came back. And a lot of times in the past, that's a good opportunity for Bubba to do something stupid and wreck. And he didn't.

He did a really good job yesterday. He drove back to the top 10. We got out of there with top 10 and we can kind of build off of that. But yeah, the 2311 deal is. Kurt's a past champion. You were about probably two or three. probably right it was like yeah it was a long time ago

2003 0-203 0-203 0-4 yeah I mean that's but Kurt's Kurt carries himself very well nowadays and I think Kurt's a great teammate for for Baba multiple drivers face flat left rear tires

on Sunday at Kansas TJ this one's for you it's hard to be it's I don't believe this is a I don't believe it's a tire issue so this is a setup issue where people are pushing the envelope I don't like to see retro race cars, but this is, you're pushing the envelope on it, and we know

the risk with it, and, you know, it's speed. It's like camber, right front camber used to be really fast, but if you run too much, you blow a tire. It's the same thing in the left rear now. So apparently that tire is very sensitive to the camber that people are running. I don't think it's a good ear issue. It's just speed. People going for speed and get bit by it sometimes. Tapboy and I actually talked about this on the roof at Daytona.

these smaller sidewalls would impact at some point the racing. And I think with the independent rear suspension these cars have, that smaller sidewall, how much balance, I mean, Brian Murphy and I were talking about it, how much balance has been shifted to the rear. Man, that left rear tire,

if you get too low on that air pressure, you're in trouble. Teams are going to want good year to do better, but good year at the end of the day is going to point the finger back to the teams and say, this is on you, right? So I'm spot on.

I look, I'm spot on for the fact that it adds, a dynamic to the race, right? You've got to manage all the things properly. And if you don't, you end up getting behind. Coming from the guy who doesn't want a tire limit. I don't want a tire limit. Because if we had a tire limit yesterday and you had all these cautions coming out for left for tires, what are we going to do? You're going to want four tires because of this issue. So you're saying with your strategy, you want it limited and you want to stay out and then you're going to be royally screwed. I want people to be put in a position like they were. And some people took a chance.

the seven, a handful of them guys, 47, stayed out that one time. Try to get some stage points. The 47, I believe, may have stayed up there. Okay, a couple of them fell pretty hard, but I like that. I like the opportunity to be there. You're saying that now teams need to factor in the fact that they'll have tire issues depending on the set that they have. I mean, we saw this coming in practice.

What do we have four left for us flat in the first five to ten minutes of practice? You can't even run many laps and you're already having an issue. So the teams immediately know, okay, we're just. challenged with being able to go a full fuel run potentially without losing this tire. We obviously got better at it. But I mean, Justin Haley and I were sitting at a bar watching the end of the race yesterday. And we're literally, what's the overrunner on what lap of caution is going to come out for a left rear tire tire going down. So I love to see this playing into the strategy.

And at the end of the day, the engineering, the data that TJ loves to talk about and the crew chief, this is on them. This isn't on the guy or gal holding the wheel. Yeah, essentially. the tire maker. No, it's definitely not a good year because there's numerous guys out there that had no issues whatsoever. If one car can make it throughout the course of the race, it's not the tires fault. And we've seen places where it was a tires fault. But I don't think that was yesterday. And I'll kick this to Haley in a second, but, you know, this is like Brett said, it's on the crew chief. Like this is what we had back in the day like TJ said, right front camber. They had to put in minimum air pressures because guys were pushing the limits and we were blowing right front tires.

And now with the independent rear suspension, it's the same thing. They're running too much camber and that's affecting your tire pressure. And you are making the determination of, do I want to go this much faster and take the risk or not? Haley, like, if you're a driver and you have any kind of feedback on your crew chief, like, do you want to play it safe or do you want him to push that limit as far as he can, even though it may put you at risk? It's a risk versus rewards. You see us.

I know. I mean, kind of depend where we're running, kind of stacking up. if we were in the kind of the front half versus the rear half, it would just depend because, like, you hear how hard it is to get, um, get parts and having backups. Like, people going to track with three cars and having one backup. Like, that's, that's tough game to be in. And I think that with how hard it is to get stuff, it might not, might not be worth it. But if you're in that top of 15, you need a little more, you know you're kind of in the hunt of it. Like, then maybe it is worth it. But I don't know, it's a risk versus reward. Absolutely. And, you know, what, one thing I thought was

interesting about Sunday's race. You guys can tell me this. I'll ask you the question, and then I'll give you my opinion. What normally constitutes a competition caution? Rain. And? Tireware.

Tireware. Yeah. We didn't have either one of those issues going into Sunday. What are you alluding to? We had a fucking hail storm on Sunday morning before the race. We had 10 cars to have trouble in practice. What are you saying? I just thought that maybe I was expecting to have a competition caution

since we had the two biggest factors. I think they knew somebody else would take care of the competition cause for us. I mean, I, I appreciate it, Brett. Thank you. I didn't understand that at all. And I'm sure I'll get yelled at for that.

But like, I didn't understand. We had rain all morning and then we had tire issues all weekend. And not just rain like it was bad. The most obvious race, the most obvious race to have a calm caution, we don't have one. So I didn't, I didn't really understand that.

But yeah. I'm sure what an idiot. No, not yet. I got a better way. I really good one. I really hope Dale is going to the race next week so that he can join the air holler visits. He can come as a holler. Spot on, spot off.

Six Toyota's finish inside the Cup top 10 for the first time since Watkins Glen in 2017. And Denny Hamlin's crew chief, Chris Gaphart, said last week that I am convinced we are the most dangerous 22nd place points team in the history of the sport. Brett. I think Chris Gaphart has the current. championship format to thank for being the most dangerous because if this were the old format, he wouldn't even have the word championship in his vocabulary. So congrats to those guys. Obviously, Denny's a great race car driver. I do need to ask the question. I'm sure Freddie knows the

answer. How many Toyotas were taken back to the NASCAR R&D Center yesterday following the race? I think the only ones that went back to the wind tunnel or the 23 and the 11. But I mean, I had a wait on the damn airplane because the Toyotas were so fast yesterday that five out of of the six teams were in tech or getting the 23 ready to go to the wind tunnel. So I missed the entire Ranger game, which broke my heart. I love the parody that we have here. Freddie obviously is team Toyota on Sunday. I'm team Chevrolet.

TJ is team Ford. I'm going to say the obvious. Ford is at a dis. I know they just won Darlington, but arrow-wise, they seem to be at a pretty significant disadvantage. So NASCAR is in a weird spot here. We've seen rule changes. I don't know as a driver how you feel about this.

Personally, I think it's BS when we make rule changes in the middle of the freaking year. But we've seen rule changes come out to help a manufacturer that seems to be down. What's going on in the garage right now with the tech that Freddie just talked about? The wind tunnel that they're doing with cars this week. We could see Ford get some help.

I mean, Brad Keselowski got out qualified by Cody Ware this weekend. Yeah. That's not, that shouldn't ever happen. Well, you know, like we talked about, Brad had to be a little conservative because like Haley just referenced, they didn't have a backup car. Chris wrecked in practice and they rouse used up there their one backup car. So, you know, he had to be a little conservative, but I agree.

He probably should have been back there that far. But, you know, there was rumors beginning of the year preseason that when they did the initial test on these bodies that Ford had a big advantage. And they were told that they were not, you know, they made a rule change then to take a lot of that away. And obviously it's kind of you're seeing the effects of that now because If you build a car, you spend all this time developing your car, you're submitted to whoever, you know, NASCAR, whoever it is going to approve it. And they go, no, you're going to do this, this and this.

Now you've got, instead of this whole year and a half or whatever, two years you've been developing this car, now you've got two months to get it ready for Daytona or get it ready for wherever else. So I'm sure that probably put them behind the ape off if those rumors are true. And like Brett said, when they do this, you can expect changes. When they take two cars from every organization or every manufacturer to the wind tunnel, they're looking to see who's got what advantage where and how they can level the playing field some. And it's different out on the team side, T.J,

because the teams used to be able to go home and make their own body. They can't do that anymore. They're buying this body. Yeah, you're buying your body and stuff. But it's weird. Yeah. I can count. At big house.

Beard beer and fast food. You go to Daytona, look at qualifying. the straight speed of the car, you know, was you had, I don't think the fours qualified very well. But in the race, we were able to work with each other better and that proved to be more beneficial. But raw speed-wise, you know, it was struggling still. But, you know, I agree with your point, but I know everyone's working on it. And, you know, every week we go back and I know they work hard on it. Matt and them guys are, you know, doing everything we can do.

and I feel like we're, when I went over there, I knew we would have some growing pains. Like, you're going to have, no matter what. I mean, it's going to happen. So Freddie had a lot of it last year. And you've got to keep calling through. I don't think we were terrible yesterday. We weren't super good.

We put together a solid race, I don't know, 14th, took advantage of some attrition and stuff, which is what we need to do. You know, keep building on that. Let these guys keep fine-tuning that car now and figuring out what we need to do. We were pretty far off. We unloaded, but made some changes.

and we were okay the race. I thought, you know, we made some strides there, so that's good and encouraging. We can keep building on that.

Uh, Haley, this next one is for you. Spot on, spot off, ARCA team owner Billy Venturini's interview during the ARCA race.

And Jason, you want to read that? I know what David Gilland feels. Drew wrecks all your shit when he's driving for you and he wrecks it all when he's racing against you so I can understand why

he punched him in the eye of Bristol last year. Just typical bonehead moved by Drew. Just pure lack of talent. Great kid. Just doesn't need to be a race car driver. I think

Haley knows his first hand. Oh, man. I swear, I couldn't be around Drew for two laps without getting wrecked by him, put in the fence. I couldn't tell you I'm about at the point with Arka where I should have been invoicing him for the races. Like, it was so bad. Like, it was always race after race after race.

And I was just over it. And I completely understand. I mean, like, it's kind of like it speaks for itself. Like. Must have a lot of dollars. And you drove, like, I don't know, five or six races, for Billy. So I'm assuming that this doesn't surprise you at all that he said. I'm not the biggest Ventrini fan. But like, I'm taking their side on this one. It's rare, but like, I don't think

I had before in the past, but I think right here we are like, I don't know, I'm not Drew Dollar fan either. I mean, he tried to, he's tried to just, he always dive bombs me in the truck series when he race there too. He'd end up wrecking himself with it. Like, it's just typical. I remember that. It was a funny way. I kind of laughed when he was going backwards. I laughed after we didn't get wrecked in it, but he wrecked himself trying to die. Like, Texas has that weird entry into one and he was all the way down. Like, I'm going to exit pit road down here or something and just put him up at the bottom. Like, I was at the bottom, so I was not letting him get to my inside.

And he tried. He tried. And then all of a sudden, I looked at my mirror and there he's backwards going towards the wall. So is he the new John West Townley? I heard John West Dollar on the roof at least three times in a day. So I don't know who that was. I don't. I mean, I didn't do the arc.

I don't know. I mean, I've... I'm spot on for Billy Venturini's take on this. I mean, I watched the wreck... He's very candid. Play out, and I watch the guy make a huge mistake, and he took the leader out. And if he's wrecking as many people as Haley says he's wrecking,

then he needs to go away. Yeah, I think that... I mean, you've seen that 18 car before. That thing is on rails. You see when Ty was in it, like, it was unbeatable. And, like, he was running, like, fourth. third, fourth, like, I don't know. Well, that puts the pressure on him even more to try to be up there and winning races and

stuff. So I thought it was funny. We were at Dover and we flew and they had, they must have had Arka race or like Arka East race, I guess. So when we landed, I seen that I worked for the Venerini's forever. That was one of my first full-time jobs when I moved down here was working for Big Bill and Kathy. And I saw Big Bill and Kathy. So I went over to say hi to them. And Big Bill made a comment. He's like, hey, you need to have me on your podcast. And I jokingly said, well, just have. Billy'd say something real stupid and then I'll have you on that week. And here we are three weeks later. Do we haven't booked on the show yet? You know, he'll, he would probably love to come on here.

And then if we didn't have three or four guests lined up already, maybe we would have done it. But yeah, I mean, I hate to say this. And Haley kind of referenced it earlier. This arc of series is a bit of a joke to watch these days. You know, I looked yesterday, there's five cars in lead lap. The guy that was running 10th or 12th was five laps down. I don't know, I don't know what you can do to bring that series back if it has to just go back to the K&N style where it's more short track based.

More dollars. But no, I mean, that's the last thing you want. You're going to spend more dollars. You're going to spend more dollars. If that's the case. No, I agree with that completely. Yeah.

110%. You got cars literally finishing in the top 10 to three laps down. Like, are you, like, I think, even more than that sometimes. We've seen a race the other night.

I mean, a race I felt, obviously after Drew took out, um, Corey, you know, it was the two rev cars racing each other. And,

and Raj, who I'm a huge fan of. He's kind of leans on Bubba a lot. He's sending me a lot of text messages, and we've conversed a lot about his career and how to take the right steps to do some stuff. And I felt like that. He was in a position to win the race the other day

until, you know, there's some lap car just look oblivious to the fact that he's coming up behind him and just pulls up right in front of him. And he had a check up, and that's how Nick got back in front of Rajah. And then Raja was never able to get back around him. What are you talking about? Was it there or Kansas whenever you put Garrett in that position?

That was Kansas. Yeah. So, TJ, is this something like, do the officials step in since this kid is obviously off the house? I mean, I guess I'm not. No. I don't even work. Like usually when you get punched in the face, that usually kind of calmed you down a little bit. I mean, I don't think it's, I think the problem is it's not intentional. Yeah. I think that's the biggest problem. Eventually you run out of places to go and race. Sounds like he runs out of talent. That's exactly like you're eventually going to run out of places to go and race and you're just going to be done. You're either going to

figure it out or you're just going to be done. Well, like, he's, he's, like, he's, he's, reached it. This is it. You know, you're driving, you're driving KBM trucks. You're driving Gibbs' cars. KBM, Gibbs slash arc of cars. How much money is this kid got? If you can't win a lot of dollars. Guys, there's dollar. What do you think? You know about that family. I don't know. A lot of dollars. Should be million dollars. Whoever his dad is, he's very serious. Dollar General. Is that him? But yeah, like, this is it. Like, if you can't perform in the stuff you're driving in now, like, it's, I agree with Billy. It's time to pack it in. Yeah. For sure. Like a great interview, though. Thanks, Billy.

It was good. I was in the holler with all my crew guys. When you saw him, they showed him on TV, and I couldn't wait for them to get a microphone to him. You know, when he has that look, and I know Freddie knows, it's going to be good. And the Ventureenis have been nothing great for that series. I mean, they've supported it,

but owners in it. Three, four cars for numerous years. Without the Venturini's, Arc of Series is in a bad place. Oh, yeah. No, I feel like they're the reason why that series is still what it is. Yeah. Well, we might need, like, 10 minutes to share this one,

but the Texas All-Star Race format. Jason? This is my favorite yearly segment where we take two minutes for the entire format because it's maybe a little confusing. A little. Sunday's race is four stages. Stages one through three are 25 laps. Stage four is 50 laps. The stage one winner will start on the pole in the final stage as long as he finishes 15th or better in stages two and three. Stage two winner starts P2 in the final stage.

Again, he has finished P15 or better in stage three. Between stages two and three, there will be a pit stop competition. each team will perform a four tire stop teams with the shortest pit in to pit out time will start p4 the team with the shortest time will start p4 in the final stage as long as they finish better than p 15 in the stage three the stage three one will start p3 in the final stage and i give up it's as if they do this over here stage four is a drink yeah yeah or don't take a commercial break i will come right back with the rest of the front of stage four if there's a natural caution between laps 15 to 25 of the final stage,

standard race procedures are in fact. If there's no natural caution between those laps, NASCAR will call an all-star competition caution. Good luck on Sunday. Could you imagine reading that and then someone saying, we're going to give you a test on the information you just read? Like, what the fuck are we doing? How are you going to get fans to understand it?

That's what I'm asking. I want to know at NASCAR because there's a lot of situations that I feel like come up. Who's making these decisions? Yeah. Like I don't. It's Braddon. What the hell?

I asked them that very question in the meeting. Like we, there are a lot of times in these scenarios. We would love to know who actually is making this decision. I feel like they need to put a name on the spot of it. Like who's the face of these decisions? Like, I don't know.

They probably do that on purpose. I know. Yeah. They might have some hate me. They know. They know. I feel like it's the same person that chooses whether to run the AC in this building or not.

Maybe. I mean, let's just start. I don't know off questions. And maybe they can answer them for us next week. So, okay, you said the stage one winner starts on the pole of the second stage as long as he finishes 15th. Stage, he starts on the pool, the final stage.

What if he doesn't finish 15th? Where does he start? Oh, no. Oh, weird. So if the guy in the second stage doesn't win, you know, doesn't finish top 15, where's he start? I don't know. Oh.

The guy that won the first one. So I guess that third place guy, if he wins the stage, he's obviously finished top 15. So he'll be on the poll for the final stage. So now you're going to put the pick crew competition. winner on the front row for the last stage, as long as he finished his top 15. So essentially the winner of the pit crew competition

is probably going to be on the front row or could be on the front row for a million dollar race. What are we doing? I don't understand. Like there's so much, I guess, pit crew competition total time. So that's going to be on pit road, not just your pit stop.

Yeah, I would think. Yeah. Don't get me wrong. That, when they used to do the separate competition for a pit crew, like that was my favorite of the entire. Maybe you should just do that again. Yeah. So I think the idea is there.

It's just a lot. Like, listen, I'll let these guys go before I give my ideas on what we should do with this race. But, I mean, it's just the All-Star caution, I like the idea of it. Why are we doing it a 25 to go? Let's do it with 10. Like, if we're going to go gimmick, let's go all-out gimmick. Like, what we do?

Yeah, like 25 is, you know, I mean, you're going to have a restart, but it's going to get split out again. Like, so I think you're missing the beginning of this, too, is where are we at? Texas. You don't want to be in Texas for the All-Star race? I just think that track is narrow. I think it's very narrow and it's going to be hard to make moves. And, you know, the track's not narrow.

No, the racing groove is very narrow. The groove is narrow. The tracks, six race tracks. You can put six race tracks there. But it's just hard to, it's hard. It's not, they don't go into the corner fan out. You're too wide. Three sketchy.

Somebody's probably jumping the cushion. I just, you know, I think the, the format all starts should be exciting and I'm not you know I don't know I could get spread out there and be hard to even yeah I mean before we even talk about the racing we have to get a way to figure out how our fans can understand what the hell they're even watching like I don't understand it like okay who starts who starts fifth in the final stage probably whoever gets off pit road after stage three that's my probably probably well do you know nobody knows like when when I first started in this sport I would reach a lot of people

that would say, I've never been to a NASCAR race. What race should I go to? All-Star. And I would say to them, you need to go to the All-Star race. And they would say, why? And I would say, because there's going to be a race before it where the winner transfers in. Now we got like five honorable mentions that are All-Stars. We got fan votes.

We got all kind of going on. Right. And then my second favorite part of it was, I was like, then you're going to have the best drivers in our sport line up. There's going to be 15 to 20 of them. and they're going to have a short race. Realistically, almost an Xfinity or Truck Series race in terms of the duration of the race. And it's going to be under the lights.

It's going to be awesome. And you get to decide whether or not you like NASCAR Cup Series racing. Now, I would not dare tell a fan, your first race needs to be the All-Star race. Because, A, it's a disaster. You can't sit in the stands. Oh, by the way, your phone doesn't work and be able to figure out who. Who's going to start where? So the PA guy, I hope he's smarter than whoever created this format

because somebody's going to have to be able to understand and explain it. Maybe it was him. Maybe it was the PA guy at Texas Motor Speedway. And under no circumstance, should we leave Charlotte, North Carolina, and fly halfway across the country to Texas Motor Speedway to do this? It should be right around Charlotte. And when I say right around Charlotte, I'll say Martinsville, I'll say Bristol. I'll even go as far as Atlanta. But it's ridiculous that we're going all the way to Texas for this.

Yeah. I mean, you're making teams that have. I don't want to give anybody no shot because anything's happened anything can happen but teams that BJ McLeod has to go to this race and you don't think he's going to transfer him?

I don't think he's going to win the open. Are you sure? I'm just thinking that. You know, he had a tough day yesterday and but I mean this is mandatory. They have to go. You know, like the Rickway racing has to go. We were talking about this at the beginning of the year with the first race.

Yeah. So I mean, is there has to be conversations with teams going on right now. Like, why are we doing this? We're doing it because Texas Motor Speedway has two cup dates. Right. And they partnered with Kota for one of their dates. So they lost the cup date. So when they lost that cup date, they moved it from Charlotte to Texas.

So this is always going to be, as right now, at an SMI track during COVID, where we go? Bristol. It was awesome. I thought it was a great All-Star race, right? So this is Texas Motor Speedway's way of getting TV money to that racetrack. I mean, I hate to say this, but like yesterday, the crowd at Kansas was as poor as I've ever seen it. And I say that in a disheartening way because the racetracks, they don't care. It's like 8% of their overall revenue.

They need to be incentivized to pack the house. That's why I made the comment earlier. Kansas is a great racetrack. It needs to have one event and we need to figure out how to make it special because unfortunately, we catch crap on TV all the time because, A, the stands aren't full. And then here's your other struggle. We take sponsors to the racetrack to pay millions of dollars, and we're standing on pit road, and you're telling them how great it is, and they're spending all this money, and they look up in the stands, and they look back at you, and they go, well, why is nobody here?

That's on the fucking racetrack. These promoters and these racetracks have got to take the incentive to get people out there. Cut his mic off. I'm sorry. It's not in here, and that's even harder. No, I agree with you. As a driver trying to come up the ranks, like hounding, trying to find sponsor money, because that's what I run off of.

Like, it's tough trying to bring together millions of dollars you grow on the truck series. Like, it's very tough. And showing people who, like, look at the stands and the, oh, isn't NASCAR dying? You're like, oh, no, there's just no one going. Like, like, oh, no, but TV ratings are great. TV ratings are great. Like, they're like, I, well, what if they don't show you much on TV? And you're like, oh, well, I can do tenants here and post for you.

I mean, so, like, that's the battle I'm facing. And you bring up an awesome point because you just came off of a second place finish to Tony Stewart and SRX, right? Last year. Yeah. So SRX, you see how they're doing it at track. Is it a lot different than how we're doing it? The hospitality was amazing. Like, everything was so coordinated right, timed right.

Like, there was always people to help you with everything, make sure you're ready to go. Like, always, how can I help you? How can I help you? Do you need something to eat? Let me go get you some food. Like, it always just, they catered to. their drivers. And it was awesome. Like super, super awesome. We had signings.

Thousands of people had signings. Like, it was just super, super cool. I was saying there with Bill Elliott. Like, it's just cool moments. And I think that they did a lot of things right. They took the windshields out on the dirt. Right. And it changed the game of it.

Ultimately, I race in Knoxville and SRX and I race in Knoxville and trucks. And it was two completely different races. Yeah. I love how you add that factor in like, Hey. That's right. I just know. I've been around a lot of guys in this sport, and when they have their helmet on,

even you right now, you have your helmet on, you're a big deal. When you take that helmet off and you retire, right, you find it a little bit harder to get free concert tickets. You find it a little bit harder to get the backstage passes. You find it a little bit harder to get that private jet ride to tell you ride, right? I want a private jet ride. Yeah. So what SRX has done, though, is they've taken the retired guys.

And they've made it like super relevant again. And you've got tens of thousands of people coming out to Nashville and coming out to El Doran coming out to wherever they go, I-55 Raceway, right? So I think we as a sport. Packing the house. We as a sport have to put more pressure on our track presidents to pack the house. I think the problem is you got fans who NASCAR isn't bringing in as much as they're trying to, they aren't bringing in younger fans.

Like still they're not. Like it's just end of story kind of the deal of it. but their fans are still that older generation. And so they're completely not catering to that older generation of who their core fan base is. And I think that SRX kind of hit it with the home run right there because they brought all those older generation's favorite drivers back. And it took them out from them maybe turning on NASCAR here and there

to actually coming to the track again to be able to see Belli a race and all these other guys. But like you said too, you said there's autograph sessions. Autographs. Imagine being able to go up after 20 years of Bill Elliott being your favorite driver and be able to go to an autograph session and have him sign your poster or die cast that you've had forever. But that's also a good point you mentioned too. They're also at Rage's tracks that are home tracks for these people.

And like when you go to a Millbridge, the atmosphere of it, it's not like all lights and like people everywhere. just hang out. And I feel like that, the SRX did a great job of catering to those, the entire, every demographic, but also just that home track feel. Kurt, Kurt Bush winning is not going to bring out a younger demographic. But Kurt Bush driving the Jordan brand car very well could. That might help. Haley Deegan, you're at a awesome.

I mean, you're in my mind the Casey Kane of 20 years ago. You can bring a lot of new fans into our sport because you're a. in your demographic. Roger Carruth, another prime example of a guy. Like NASCAR in these tracks have to partner on how do we leverage those type of opportunities, get our fan-based younger. But at the end of the day, Haley, I've said this for the million times. Young people aren't going to come if their phones don't work. Yeah. Oh, 110%. I hate it being at the track and your phone doesn't work. It makes it hard for me to do my job. I got a sponsor post to do it. I got, there's a reason why I can get people to pay for a truck series race. And I can assure you it's not

just have a logo on the side of a truck. And like I got work to get done there. too. Like have not having service there like that's critical. You got these races are long. If you're going to make these races long where people do get bored, you need to have the phones work. And we do our best when the campgrounds are full and that's a three day experience for families to come out. They, we got to have these. It's a weekend. It is. It's a whole weekend. So a awesome job spot on spot off right there. I got to circle back because I want, I talk about it on here all the time. I don't like to bash a decision. I know. I do that often. I don't. I don't. I do that often. I don't like to pass a decision without an alternative option.

You know what I mean? We can go with the task got the format here all you want. But if you don't have a better idea, then what are you doing? You know, and I think it was gluck that it brought it up on Twitter. And I just kicked it around. And like the idea of eliminating cars from each stage is what you need to do. Because essentially when you get to the last stage anyway, puts the pressure on.

If you get to the last stage, you're not winning from 10th. You're not winning from 6th, probably. if it's a, you know, a 25, 50 lap stage. Yes, what else you're not doing? You're not making any money, so you're not going to race hard. Yeah. So if you tell these guys, I'm eliminating five cars at the end of every stage, you're not going to want to, you know,

you're going to obviously drive your ass off for those 25 laps because you don't want to get eliminated. You still want to have some kind of shot at racing. You know, we see it all the time. If you go out there and you're the guy that transferred the fan vote and you're running 20th. Like, you're like, okay, great, I'm going to run these 25 laps and then I'll just ride around back here or whatever all night.

Like if you, if you know that, all right, if I pass these, four cars in front of me, I can continue on in this race. You're going to make the guys at the back half of the field run harder. And that might put on a better show for the fans that want to come out and watch it now. Pressure needs to be on. And then if there's five guys left at the end of the race, now we've really condensed all the attention to these five guys are racing for a million dollars right here. And I think that that is the way to go.

Instead of trying to incentivize winning, because we've seen it, especially at Texas, if you get out front, more than likely you're going to win this stage. Nobody's really going to run you down in 25 laps and pass you. So what you need to incentivize is the fact that you've got to run hard wherever you're out on the racetrack to try to be one of them five guys. Because now if you're in a top five in a 25, 50 lap shootout, you've got a shot of a million dollars. If you're running 10th to 15th, you've got no shot.

So five guys, green white checker. No, I mean, maybe not green white checker. I'm fine with 10, you know, 10 laps, something like. That's too long. That's how it's a deep pursuit is for BC39. Like you saw that. I mean, granted, if you wreck out with the first lap, that sucks. but they eliminate cars so that it makes it more of a motivation for the guys who are up front

and more exciting for the last few lots. You just have to incentivize these guys to run harder because if you're running 10th or 12th in that race and you know your car's not great, you're just going to be out there for a Sunday drive. I'm just going to finish this race and get the hell out of here. So you're on to something, but at the very end, the last shootout is on a quarter mile instead of their track. Yeah, the last lap you got to sit down and run a ledger lap.

You got to run a joker lap. You have to eliminate the spotters. There we go. No, we never want to eliminate the spotters. Okay. Hey, door bumper clear fans. This is Mike Davis with Dirty Mo Media, and I want to give you five reasons why RacingUSA.com is our favorite store for NASCAR merchandise. First, NASCAR fans have rated RacingUSA.com, Google's top source for NASCAR merchandise,

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Arging up through the track, getting by guards, avoiding blocks, preventing Larson from stealing the victory. Here comes Kurt Bush with a slam dunk! He is 43 years old and still taking drivers to school. Have you ever seen a car get posterized before? Well, you have now, and it was in the most respectful of ways. Logano wishes he could win a race like that. That's pretty good getting posterized.

That's actually a good analogy. That was intense. Yeah. It sounds like a WWF announcer. That was very good. The guy, he didn't sleep much last night. I tell you what, the next time I have a jar at my house that I can't get open. I'm calling James Hook, tire carrier, petty GMIS racing to get on over here and fix that for me.

That was the best, most entertaining three minutes of pit road coverage in years. That's Rick James, boys. That's James Howlke is his last name, I think. But, yeah, those are my guys at the 43. They've been there forever feeds. They guys a wave on pit road. Yeah, every week. For years, hilarious.

I mean, I felt bad. I texted back and forth the feeds a little bit last night about a feedler is the tire changer. And he just said, you know, you hate to have something brand new happen in the sport that it happens to you. But it just essentially, he said, I forget exactly what he said, essentially knocked the cap off the tire and off the wheel there and got it too tight.

And they couldn't get it off. And the funniest part about the whole thing was Booty was giving us play by play of what was going on because he could see their pit box from ours. And he was like, yeah, they got a big ass torque wrench on it now trying to go. Or like a, I saw that thing. I didn't know that thing even existed. And then he's like, that didn't work.

Now they got a concrete saw. Nope, that ain't working. Now it's an air chis. Oh, somebody almost got to capitated. Jeez, oh man. Oh, Rick James. He's the man. The guys are awesome.

Hey, you know what? I thought the race was great. And I was so excited at the end of it when I saw Kurt Busch going into Pit Lane. And I think that's complete and utter bullshit that we can't show that. Something has to change to shorten the broadcast for Fox to be able to show this.

It is an iconic piece of the sport historically. If NBC wants to be popular, when they come back and they take over coverage of the sport, all they got to do is put the Victory Lane interview back in the post race. They'll immediately be popular because Fox on social media is getting hammered every week for not doing this. So they do the front stretch interview and then they're done. Then they're done. Oh, there's no. That's what we were talking about when Dell Jr. was on here a month ago.

Like we were talking about the fact that we're going to celebrate. I don't know they didn't do it every time. So that's it. If there's time, they'll show B-roll of it. But they won't show anything else. Yeah, what was that for, Brett? There's a parade wave. They're leaving.

They're going. Need to work on that. Goodbye. What the hell? Eric Jones was having such a good race. And then that happened on Pit Road. He experienced what it's like to be, Valtori Bottas. I mean, that's our first sound effects guy, I think.

That was interesting. Jason used to play sound effects once in a while, but he's kind of quit. He still does sometimes. Not for us. He just puts them in the show. Hey, what do you think about all these loose wheels? It upsets me. That one wasn't loose.

It was tight. Because we have these tight wheels. I had this tight wheel thing happen to me. Yeah, tight wheel. Same thing. We couldn't get us up. But honestly, you know, we have other series that run single lug nuts. But in those series, there's not as many entries.

You know, we're out there with 36 to 40 vehicles. There's obviously not as many pit stops. They're not as competitive as we are. Like, what do you think about all this? It really, really upsets me because if something happens, then it goes back on the pit crew. Next thing you know, it screws me. Because I'm over here in the truck series,

and two of my guys are out now because of something that happened in the Cups series. I think there's way too harsh for a punishment. for the issues they're having, I feel like this cup car, I don't know, maybe it's just my opinion, I might get hate for it. They weren't prepared for this cup car. They weren't prepared for all the issues for it, and they rushed into it, I feel like really quick, and now there's a lot of consequences on it, and they're not owning up to it. NASCAR isn't.

Instead, all it's doing is hurting a lot of these teams. It's putting these pit crew guys in a bind because they need paychecks. They got to put food on the table for their families. It affects now my racing. the reason why I've been having stops instead of where I was gaining positions, now I'm losing seven on pit road because of something that happened in the Cup series with that car, even though it has nothing to really do with me at all. But now there's way too, I feel like there's just way too big of a punishment for you. Yeah, yeah, valid points. You're ruining my races over something

that happened in the Cup series. Like, it doesn't make sense. I think, um, so JGR from Dover with Denny, they appealed it. So those guys haven't had the suspension yet. Uh, that's probably coming up pretty soon, I'd assume next couple weeks. It should be this week. I was out of thought. But yeah. To leave an audio message 24-7, go to anchor.fm.

slash door bubble clear and click the message icon. We'll keep playing the best ones each week on this show. Offer pad. Question of the week. What's the coolest feature in your home? Haley. Coolest. Yeah.

Probably my best. Simulator. All right. It's got full motion. It's very sick. Bright, is it your pool? It's definitely not my pool.

Jason was at my house last week. He came over for the watch party. You got a pool inside your house? No. I don't have a pool at all. Wait, it's not inside the house. No, we're trying to get him to get a pool. But he's refusing.

So every week you bring it up to China. Pools are overpriced in North Carolina. Don't get a pool. They already love to wear Speedos together. They don't help him. We're trying to get a pool of his house. Just kidding. Pulls are sick.

You can do the above ground ones. We can't do an above ground pool. Why not? We got HOAs that won't. I lived in a trailer growing up. We could have an above ground pool there. Would you have an backyard a little bit? I got a big backyard.

Then they won't see it. He's got a backyard and an RPG room. We can't have a freaking above ground pool. They would find me. I got an uncle that's going to be the coolest thing in my house is. Brett had an aquarium in his living room. That was pretty cool. I got a 220 gallon saltwater.

tank. And I'll let Jason think that's the coolest thing in my house and that's the coolest thing in my house. The coolest thing in my house is the central air because it blows 60 degrees and I'm dying in here right now. I don't know what the coolest thing in my house is. Probably John's room. Probably John's got out front that he's taken over. My man gave there. Take a picture of that room and tweet. He looks like a hoarder lives in there. I'm going to say Megan is the coolest in your house. Maybe it's a cool person. No, he's just, there's just,

there's just stacks and stacks of stuff in that room. That basically. Yeah. It's like what a hoarder would do. Yeah. Well, it's not really his. It's all my stuff, but he kind of took my room over,

so that's it. TJ, what's the coolest teacher? I'd probably, probably just say my office in general because it's got my racing stuff in there. Some memorabilia. You know, Brett's probably got out of room.

It's got some stuff in it. from his racing days. And we've collected some cool stuff over the years. So probably just my office area with all my stuff. I don't have a motion rig like Haley and then. But we, I would love to see Brett Sim race. So could you imagine Brett running them moon car races? If hers moves, I want to go to hers because yours didn't move.

Mine doesn't move. Mine's not going to move. We got to move up in the world. Brett had a simulator. Brett had a simulated for like six hours one time. I have one. you could just take it. I'm good. I don't think you have control over that, Casey. You're giving away something that's not yours. I heard a rumor. Did you wreckdale Jr.

I will do it again if you rock the play. I swing bigger every time too. Okay, Joey, go get a cash offer on your home today with our presenting sponsor, offerpad.com. It's time for us to get into our favorite X-Fi more than fast moments of the week. Whether you're behind the wheel or online, speed isn't the only thing you need. So what were your favorite more than fast moments from Kansas? TJ. My Xfinity X-5 more than fast moments going to be Kerr Bush. I wasn't sure he was going to be able to get around Kyle and, or both Kyle's basically,

at the end when I seen him come off, he come off third, right? Yeah, he came out third. I was a little worried that he wasn't going to be back up there. But guy got up on the wheel and got it done. So that's my Xfinity X-Five, more than fast moments. Bush. My X-VityX-5 more than fast moment is Zane Smith. I mean, that thing was on a rail. That wasn't a moment. Saturday night. An entire race. Yeah, that was, that was a long moment. I looked up a couple times and just the lap times he was running throughout the run. I was like, I don't know who's going to

get anywhere near this guy tonight. Like he was, I looked up and I thought our truck was pretty good. We were like a fifth, eighth place truck. And he was probably three to four tens better than us. Every lap. I was like, okay, well, we might get up here a little bit closer, but we didn't get anywhere near him. So, yeah, my X-Finity X-5 more than fast moment will go to Zane in that 3018. My X-Finity X-Fi more than fast moment, I'm going to give to myself for how fast I left the racetrack and got

the Austin's bar and grill and shared a shot of fireball with a door bumper clear listener. He was at the bar hanging out, of course, had to buy him a shot. And there was a tear in my beer, and I just rode out the rest of the race there. And then I jumped on the plane and flew home. So I got the hell out of Dodge. I win. You should give it

to your truck driver at some point. Because he hasn't hit nearly as much stuff this year as he did last year. He's doing a good job. His spotter finally showing up. Yeah. We've hit a lot of shit this year, but it really hasn't been our business. It's kind of like Haley. Like everybody just happens to wreck right in front of us, it seems like.

But last year you, he hit. That's what I said somebody in the day. I said somebody like, we caused all the wrecks last year. This year we're just involved in the wrecks. I mean, it's bad when I told you about the time I was on the airplane. Derek God and I was yelling, don't hit me, Derek. Yeah. That was after Knoxville when he did hit every truck.

We hit everybody in the other. I wasn't there for that one. I got it, everybody. We like it fast here on Doorbubber Clear, but what we really like is being more than fast. Thankfully, there's always tons of action for our Xfinity X-5 more than fast moments. You know what else is more than fast, X-Fi. With all the speed for your devices, you also get the reliability and security that keeps your crew connected and protected. On the track, being more than fast means you've got the teamwork and strategy to win. With X-Finity X-Fi, you can do more of what you love with a faster internet and a powerful and secure

connection. Follow at Xfinity Racing on Twitter for even more Xfinity X5 more than fast moments and don't forget to vote for your favorites. Thank you to Xfinity, proud premier partner of NASCAR. What an idiot. Time for Brett's favorite segment. What an idiot. Just kick it off, Freddie. Because Freddy's got a good one. Freddy's like crazy waiting to say this. This is a stuart. I don't know. Did I tell you? I told you this. So I went to a bar right up across the street from the track called Danny's Pub on or Danny's Bar. grill on Saturday night. And I had talked to Tyler Redick a little bit about maybe going to the casino or something

like that, but just really wasn't planning on doing anything. So I went to Danies with a couple of team guys or whatever. And I was sitting there. And I noticed a guy come over and he said something about dirty Mo. So I was like, oh, he's going to say something about podcast, obviously. So right, I see him walking over and same time Tyler texts me. He's like, hey, you still at Danies. I'm at the ATM machine or something right across the street.

I'm going to stop in. So he comes in, hangs out, and he's standing there. So the guy walks over to me and he's like, hey, Freddie, hey, has it going. Nice to see you. Do you think I could get it? And at mid-sentence, he looks over and sees Tyler. And he's like, holy cow. And he gets real excited about seeing Tyler.

So he's like, I came over to take a picture where Freddie, but forget that. I want to take a picture with you. And I was like, well, I don't really blame you. It's Tyler Redick. So they take a picture, yada, yada, yada. They talk for a minute. they stopped talking. So as soon as they stopped talking,

I asked Tyler about where he ran on the racetrack and qualifying, just couch racing as always, you know, like just whatever we can talk about racing. So I'm talking to Tyler about where he ran on the racetrack, top, bottom, middle, whatever it was. And I could see the fan is very confused at this point.

And I'm like, what is he's very, he doesn't know what's going on. And he looks at Tyler and he's like, you drive? And Tyler's like, yeah. He's like,

you're not Jason Schultz and I was like what that is amazing I was like no you're more famous than Tyler Redick Jason congratulations

I'm not sure I know I was like 5 for 1 oh wow so yeah I we were dying laughing Tyler's buddy Ernie was with us I met him in the chili bowl this year

he actually sat right behind me at the chili bowl and we had a really funny we had a good laugh for quite a long time So I apologize. I told the guy you're going to make the show this week, but you're going to unfortunately be the one-in-a-dient section.

Sorry, Tyler. You're topping that? Brett. I got to give it to my guy, Daniel Dye, again. Oh, Jesus. Not only was he arrested a few weeks ago, but this week, he got reinstated, and he got to come back to race in the Arc of Series race,

and he released a statement about his reinstatement. Did you see this, Haley? No, I didn't see it. Okay, in his statement, him and his PR person, and God bless whoever that is. I know who it is. They decided to put in a statement that Daniel Dye, in quotes,

I've been going around punching people in the groin since ninth grade. What? Okay, he's now a 12th grader. So he's admitting to going around and quote, in his words, playing a game where we all punch each other in the balls.

Okay. So you're an idiot for releasing this statement. But you're all fucking nuts, okay? We're canceled. That's about to be cut. Yeah, I mean, I mean, you didn't say it. He said it. Like, I mean, sometimes you dig yourself in a hole.

I guess. They just wouldn't even release it. They literally had time to write this and to read this and think about releasing it to the public and they still did it. Okay. so I his PR guy is only probably two years older than him so that makes sense epic fail they're both idiots probably playing the same game I don't know what their objective was with it failed miserably yeah okay so did you watch the arca race I did did you were you listening to the commentators at all and not so he had a um a couple penalties like he got held on pit road

and I cannot believe there maybe there were some jokes going around whenever they handed him like we got to pull the you know, him in and hold him for a lap. But I'm, where were the jokes like, well, that's a real punt? You know what I mean? Only you would think about that. I mean, I don't know. According to that statement, there's been going on for a long time.

So I've practiced some puns of people in the balls for four years. Congratulations, Daniel. TJ, do you have one? I, you know, I was watching Rajah run. Freddy kind of touched on this earlier, but Rajah was running a really good race. And he's ran really good races this year. Super. patient and aggressively

he need to be on the track. I think the first that showed up was he ran good at Daytona and it really showed up at Phoenix. He ran really well at Phoenix. But now the races that he's putting together are championship caliber. You know, if he keeps doing being this consistent,

he can run for a championship. Daniel Dye would still be leading to points probably if he didn't get into an obligation. He was playing his favorite game. But, you know, when leaders are coming. You got to be, you got, like, lap cars cannot be side by side like that when the leaders are coming, especially when there's, I mean, eight, less than 20 cars out there. There's plenty of our opportunity to make passes. That tracks really wide. Do you have to be that, like, side by side taking up

that much room. And Raj, I did the right thing by lifting, but you got to have more awareness. And I know I'm asking a lot for that area, but, you know, I hated to see Roger get past because of that. So Zachary Tinkle is the driver you're referencing who stood up in front of the other driver you're referencing. And he said it's 100% his fault. He was lapping the 12 and someone took air off of his spoiler. So it's not, that's confusing because there's nobody near it. Well, that's the first confusing part. But the second confusing part, is it 100% your fault or did somebody take air off your spoiler? Like, which way is it? Because first of all, nobody was near him to take air off your spoiler. He also said in his tweet that I talked to

Raja after the race and he said I did not cost him the win. That's, because Raja's a nice guy. Yeah, Rajah's one of them. He's like a Tyler Redick. You know, the guy just got used up, and then he's still going to find a way to blame himself. So, which is good, but I mean, it's obvious.

The Arca series owes us money. We've talked about Arcamore on here than we've talked about it. I got a good moment. I got a good moment, actually. You got a one. I got it. This one goes out to the tow truck when I first got to the track. There was some guy junked it in, I think,

practice or qualifying, whatever it was going on. I was walking down to my truck. walking past the haulers. Just walking past, I believe it's a 45 hauler. And this tow truck comes hauling ass towards me. All of a sudden I hear it, k, k, kut. And I'm like, oh, God, our car falls off. Why he's hauling ass.

Like, he is going fast. Like, he was cooking, like, enough for me to, like, step to the side. I pass it for about five feet. This arc car falls off. Takes a left hook right into the 45's hauler. The whole thing starts rocking, densing the whole side of the hauler. Yeah, that is my moment. That's ironic.

I mean, the irony of that... It was the most arcad thing I've ever seen. The irony of that is like Chris Wright, who drives a 45 truck, has driven in everything all on the track this year. So now something's driving into his hauler. It's ironic makes it even better. How did he get out of the race truck and get into the tow truck? That's a good question.

This was all over Twitter and it was pretty funny. I mean, I hate it for the guy who owns the truck, the hauler. But to watch a freaking vehicle crash into a hauler. Was there a video of it? I didn't see video. I just saw a freak. It probably will not be released if anybody in the garage. I wish I could see a video because I just was like a couple feet past it.

Because I heard it and I started walking quicker. And that's when it fell right next. It fell right next to me. And then by time I kept walking, it went behind me. You know what had made it better? The only thing that would have topped this is it would have been Josh Rue Mae's holler. Oh, no. Oh, no.

That wouldn't be better. That poor guy's been through enough this year. They took the top off at Atlanta. Now that he gets the side at Kansas. No. Not a good idea. Hey, what's up, DBC fans? If you haven't heard about Anchor, it's the easiest way to make a podcast.

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to get started. All right. Let's move on to DBC Picks, which I'm really depressed about. I have a proposal for you, Casey. Oh, no, no, no, no, no. Okay, wait, for the record, I only picked Justin Haley because Tommy told me to pick a Chevy.

He picked a Chevy. He made a good one. You said somebody else said I wouldn't have picked Justin. I had somebody else last week. We have this competition, and I have four wins. and Casey is last with one. So I have a proposal for you, Casey. You've picked a lot of really big names.

You're going to run out, okay? And I'm going to leave this solely up to you. This week and this week only, you can pick whoever you want, even if you've already picked them before. Do we count the all-stories? No, we all-sary. We don't cap the all-stariers.

All right. So that's what we're going to do to help you. We're all going to be able to pick anybody. We're all going to do this anyway. So Freddie, Warren, Kansas with Larson. Brett leads, four wins. Freddie and I have three wins. T.J.2.

Casey won. Anybody's up for the All-Star race. Anybody? Yeah. Anybody. It doesn't count. Well, I think we'll count it. Everybody can pick anybody.

Casey, I propose this because you get to pick first. So you got full pick of the field. And you get anybody that you want. I just hope she does what I think she's going to do. What? No, no, yeah, pick this. She's not going to tell you. Haley, who would you pick?

Please help her. Please come to the rest. I have something in mind. Well, let's go. Let's, let's make a decision here. Larson. Good idea. Surprise.

Great pick. Who's next? I was going to say that. TJ, you're next. Man, I'm going to go with the guy that's the only guy that I've seen roll up there and pass. Kyle Larson, I'm going to roll with Kurt Busch.

Solid, Kyle Busch. That's my next man. You son of a bitch. Denny Hammon. Ready? William Byron. When there's money on the line, Danny Hammond, we'll step up to the plate.

And there's a lot of money on the line. delivers. Denny delivers. There you go. DBC Pigs. All right. Well, heading to the All-Star Race, I think we've talked plenty about it, but anything else we want to share with the fans before they watch? You tell us. I mean, good luck. First of all, if you know anything, send us DMs and texts about what's going on in the race so that we know where we're going to line up at what stage. You said Bob on the radio for the All-Sat Race. I need a direct line to Bob. If you guys can create like an infographic or a video to share with these spotters, they're probably going to need it this again. I feel like when these rule package came out, Bob's hair probably got curlier when he was reading this. Like, I could just imagine

him being in a panic because he has to know everything that's going on and be the expert. I love when he listens to our podcast every week, Kaley, he'll text me and Freddie and be like, hey, you guys, you screwed this up. You're wrong. You have the wrong interpretation of this rule and you're wrong about this. I don't know how he knows so much.

But I could see his hair just getting curlier. I don't know. Yeah, he never sleeps and he never cleans his glasses. T.J. We didn't talk about this. What? Like, you almost lapped the whole field yesterday. I know, it was awesome. So you were drunk at a bar already.

So we have, we start the pit cycle. Harvick spins out. Yellow comes down the middle of pit cycle. T.J. is probably like seventh, eighth in line as we're rolling around under yellow. So they say, hey, the two beat the leader to the start, finish line. He gets to wave around the leader, which is legit. You know, that's how they score it. So he waves around to the back.

Now he's towards the tail. Wait, which, you're talking about me? Yeah. two, sorry, six. Yeah, wait a minute. Sorry, I really apologize. The two actually got weighed around too. It too did also, yeah.

So they wave TJ around to the back or Brad. So now he's in the last in line or like towards the back of the line. And we're getting, we're rolling around there. It took forever to get to that point. My stall is on the term four side of start finish line. Kautia comes out. I immediately look down when we crossline. I see it's right with the 18.

So I know I'm going to be around the 18 when I get off the road. Well, it takes like five laps for them to figure out that I'm supposed to even get weighed around a bunch of a cars and be back. in line. So go ahead. So now he's back in line where he belongs. Well, now I wasn't in line yet, but they were figuring. I wasn't allowed. They're trying to figure out. So he's got his, now he's waved around the leader. He's back on the lead lap. He's going to be probably like third or fourth on a restart. I think it was. And so we're sitting there and go, okay, six, you belong up here behind like the one or the eight. Like third in line. So now he's driving by the field again.

And I'm like, I'm looking at, because now it's going to trap me. It's awesome. Yeah. it's going to trap me a lap down because now it's going to be in front of me and I can't wave and I'm like wait a minute I'm not right I'm like I'm like what's going on? We're all freaking out on the roof and I'm like finally like as he's like three quarters away back up there they're like wait a minute wait a minute because they call it out and they go it's been confirmed the six belongs behind the 18 behind the 8th and then he's like actually it's been confirmed the six belongs behind the 19 which was actually I think they put us in front of the 19 it was right behind the 18 was right behind that's where we were supposed to be pretty much but I don't I don't envy them guys and those moments because there's a lot of rules you got to interpret. But my favorite part about the whole thing was we really we spent probably what 10, 12 laps laps and they just parked these random four cleanup trucks off a turn four that we're doing nothing except for like, all right, we're going to park these trucks out here while we try

to figure out who the hell's wearing on this race track. I'm with Freddie though. When when there's a caution in the middle of a pit cycle, it is complete chaos. And you don't know. Like I make it worse. Yeah. Oh, of course. Yeah.

Those guys do nothing but prolong and they don't realize. You know what I'm talking about. When you're in the middle of that some guy thinks he's supposed to, to be somewhere. He just goes there before they have a chance to do it and it makes it a lot harder. But yeah, that was, I was like, yeah, that's going to be good. I mean, they literally took him to gain them two laps and put them like the third car in line up front. I was like, oh, God, this is not right. There's no way this is right. I'm smiling. I'm like, the other thing that like, and it's, I got to bring this up with Usana. I haven't had a chance to talk to him yet,

but I don't know if you've had many penalties yet. I might have the biggest penalty. So on the race track. On the race track. Well, like this is something about you because you did this wrong yesterday. And I don't, you know, not that you did it wrong because you got away with it. But the, we get a penalty now. Your tail end of the longest line. So there's four or five guys to get a penalty, say. And I watched Danny got a penalty for something.

So he's falling to the back. You're back there with him. Normally, they haven't done it the last two weeks. Normally they tell us what line is the longest. Even if it's not the longest line. They'll pick one and go, okay, all penalty cars line up on the top or all penalty cars bottom, whatever. yesterday numerous times. It was the 31 that did it one time.

I think Chase Elliott did it one time. I watched them line up back there and then just say there's four guys. They're all in a line. Well, two of them just pulled to the top and line up double file and nobody says anything. So we got to do a better job of paying attention to the back there because what if we go in the corner and, you know,

these guys line up top and the guys on the bottom and the bottom lane wrecks. You know, you've just given these two guys that had the same penalty as me an advantage over me because they're now able to restart a different line. So you've got to do a better job of policing that. the back. Yeah, they're gaining positions. They're, they're supposed to be two rows behind me and have to stay in line to the start, finish line now instead of being one row in front of me, you know, so it's just, yeah, it's just something they got to police a little bit better. One thing I thought that was missed was when the caution came out for the 19, Kurt actually passed him and slowed down on the backstretch and the 19 drove background to be inside. Is he supposed to stay behind him at that point? I mean, it's up to, it's up to their discretion, I think. If Kurt, you know, kind of, it's a, Bullitt short. Obviously, if that's you... I don't think it changed it because he's still got a lap right. Yeah, and Kurt's letting him go. Kurt's obviously doing that on purpose because it's

Toyota. And if you, we talk about that all the time on here, if you see a guy with a problem, like that's not a teammate or manufacturer or that you're trying to haul ass to get around him and trap him a lap down. So that's a, that's something obviously that they can be played, the games can be played there as well. Well, I also want to give out shout out to everyone who watched us on MavTV last week. Yeah. Yeah. What was it like seeing your big heads on, uh, what? On TV? What do you mean big head? Okay.

That's not right. I wanted to put like a disclaimer, like objects on TV are larger than they appear. I want to do the same thing. I mean, not going to lie. I don't think Freddie will wear flip-flops again on the show. Flip-flops? If he does, yeah, you have flip-flops on last week. I don't know.

If he does, I think you'll get a big pedicure deal. He's working on it. He might eat it. Flip-flops were the least of my concerns last week. This week, I'm going to have sweat stains all up and down my left side here. So. Yeah. But yeah, Tommy, speaking of Tommy Baldwin,

Tommy Baldwin was great on here last week. Fun for him to have him on here. And he did a good job, obviously. We got a lot of positive reviews about that. But he did, he went up to Riverhead like we talked about on here. And unfortunately, Jimmy Blewett couldn't drive. He got in the car.

Jimmy Blewett's daughter got real sick leading up to the race. So Jimmy had a bow out for the weekend. She's doing much better now. But Doug Kobe filled in. And that was the first time in 29 years that the Baldwin car is won at Riverhead, which is our home track. That's awesome. So it was,

it was an awesome. some deal there. I saw a car leave the park there. Did I see a card get over the wall there? At Riverhead? Yeah. I mean, there's been times where like in a charger car street stuff. It was one of them looking cars.

There's been videos. Our buddy Bob Dillner here, he used to do a TV show Long Island Trackside back in the day. And I remember like the opening segment used to be a guy named Bobby Seda. It works in the sport. It used to be at Rouse Fenway for a long time. He jumped a wheel down the back straightaway and was over the fence on the back straightaway. We had a guy go over the pit wall one time.

So there's been some excitement over at Old Riverhead. But yeah, that was, that's where we grew up. And it was just awesome to see. I knew that race meant a lot to Tommy for numerous reasons. He really wanted to win for Jimmy. Obviously, really wanted to win at Riverhead, put the 7th NY back in Victor Lane because we coined a phrase back in the day. Somebody coined it was long before I came around.

But it was a Long Island gang. And you kind of see a lot of Long Islanders have moved down here. Brett's got all kind of jokes about U. U. Hall's only driving south. But, you know, like you always kind of gravitate to each other. you know, all the Long Island guys kind of stick together. So it was really good to see them guys go back up there and win. And his dad, Tom Baldwin, senior, Tiger Tom,

was he was the leader of the Long Island gang, you could say. So down here was Tiger Tom Pistone or what, up there was Tiger Tom, Baldwin. There's only one tiger. What Haley, what Tommy probably didn't realize either is normally when you come on the show, it's pretty decent luck. It is good luck. Yeah. Where are we at this week?

Thanks God. Texas. Texas. Yeah. I'll take anything I can get at this point. A lot of drivers come on and win. So thank you for coming on. You did an amazing job. I'm so happy for you. Best of luck the rest of the year. Casey misses a lot of shows. Are you kidding? I have not missed. I missed one because I was

dying. So the next time she misses the show, we would love to have you come back and be our host. Yeah, just call me up. Mad TV, DBC. This week show airs Thursday at 7 p.m. on Mad TV. And then you can watch the full version on Mad TV Plus. I personally am a paid subscriber because I watch all the Midget racing. So you definitely want to buy it if you don't have it already and you can catch the entire show. I don't really know why you want to see these guys for like 90 minutes. I think the extended version has the dancing clip of Casey as well.

It will not have a dancing clip of me because it will be cut out from whatever. Screenshots live forever. I was purposely in the back and now I'm regretting that being in it at all. But anyways, don't forget to watch us. Tell us what you think. Thank you. As always, Offer Pat. and thank you to Haley for joining us.

I'm glad I was not the only girl this week. And you're welcome anytime. Thank you. Yeah, thanks for coming on. Thanks for putting up with us. And putting up with TJ. It's okay. I do every weekend.

Honestly, I'm the mild one here. Okay. We got, so we've had Tommy Baldwin, Kaylee D. You're going to start off our MavTV deal. You want to tease? Who's coming next week?

Next week we had Jeff Burton coming on. Jeff reached out. So much for the tease. We're going straight to it. It's Jeff. Jeff reached out a few weeks ago and he's like, hey, I want to come on your podcast. And I was like,

so here we come. He'll have a lot of insight, a lot of opinions. And he usually disagrees with everything I say. So it should be great. Yep, yep. And if you will be in town for the Charlotte races next week, be sure they come out to Millbridge.

I think we'll all be there. Haley, are you racing? Yeah, from my chassis. Thanks, John Hunter. Thanks, John Hunter. What ride are you racing out there? Tuesday? Say it again?

What night will you be racing? Wednesday. Wednesday. It gets fixed. Okay. We're waiting. John Hunter wrecked your car? Well, I got caught up in a little pile up and then I got smoked by John Hunter and

Oh, really sorry. I think that was a tax guy. John Hunter ran into a wreck. I'm about to bring that up when he comes on here. Didn't he give me a bunch of shit about that a couple of years ago? He said you need glasses. Yeah. We had to bring him some glasses.

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