Door Bumper Clear - 253 - Texas All-Star and Jeff Burton: Million-Dollar Latch

Episode Date: May 23, 2022

Door Bumper Clear returns from a drama-filled All-Star Race weekend from Texas Motor Speedway and are joined by former NASCAR Cup Series driver and NBC broadcaster Jeff Burton. He discusses his role with Brett Griffin, T.J. Majors and Freddie Kraft in creating the newly formed driver council and the importance of drivers having a voice in discussions between NASCAR and team owners. Plus, "The Mayor" weighs in on other hot topics including the current style of racing, respect issues, TV broadcasts, and more.To start Spot On, Spot Off; NASCAR threw a caution on the white flag lap of the All-Star Race for Ricky Stenhouse Jr. hitting the wall. They crew questions the need for the caution to begin with and why the trend of inconsistent race control decisions continues.Next, Burton talks about why NASCAR shouldn’t have the All-Star Race at Texas Motor Speedway and shares his idea to rotate local short-track venues for the event.Ryan Blaney won the million-dollar prize on the final restart without a fully fastened window net and wasn't penalized. The gang discusses why NASCAR should have black-flagged him and questions why they waited so long to call one to go for the restart given the circumstances. Also, hear what NASCAR Senior Vice President of Competition, Scott Miller, had to say about the late-race caution and Blaney's window net.Runner-up Denny Hamlin weighed in on Blaney in a post-race interview calling for NASCAR to have more consistent rule enforcement and the safety hazard the final restart created. The guys explain the need for the officials to air on the side of safety and compare how NASCAR has handled similar situations.Kyle Busch’s tire issue caused him to abruptly slow on the frontstretch, resulting in Ross Chastain plowing into him. The spotters talk about the difficulties of spotting in today’s racing and where the blame falls for the accident.The guys give their input on the All-Star qualifying format that included a pit road competition. They debate how the pit crews could be better utilized and suggest reverting back to the old style of qualifying with no pit road speed limits. Lastly, Denny Hamlin made bold claims to the Sports Business Journal about wanting change in the sport and Burton gives insight to the tension about the idea of change in the industry.Later, hear fans’ disgruntled reaction to the All-Star Race in Reaction Theatre, why Clint Bowyer has the best pool, and what Burton thinks about the loose wheel issues facing the Cup Series.Thank you to our presenting sponsor Offerpad and partners Xfinity and RacingUSA.com for making this show possible. Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Door. Bumper. Clear. Hey, what's up, everybody? This is Door Bumper Clear, presented by Offerpad, and I'm Brett Griffin. Boy, do we have a lot to cover after that crazy all-star race in Texas. We got our boy Jeff Burton in the house to help break it all down. We'll talk NASCAR's decision to throw the last caution, whether Ryan Blaney's winning

that was fastened, Denny Hamlin's comments about the last lap, Ross Chastain's big hit, and holy cow, a lot more. Here we go. Nobody's listening, but I don't care. I'm on an episode of door bumper clear. Hey, everybody. I'm T.J. Major's Spotter, the one truck, the 68 Exfinity car, and the six cup car this weekend. Another full studio.

It is. Brett Griffin, Spotter for Daniel Hemrick on Saturday. We battled back to the 11th place finish. And Justin Haley finished third yesterday and open. We kept starting in the freaking rear. You did start in the rear often. Freddie Craft, spotted for Bubba Wallace, Landon Castle, and Derek Krause over the weekend.

Fairly uneventful for me. What's up, Casey? Hello. Hey guys, Casey Boats, your marketing professional official babysitter of DBC. Of course, we can't forget about our lovely producer. Jason Schultz here. Very excited to go to the Indy 500 this weekend, do a lot of content. Snake pit.

Drink some beer. Get a brick. Yeah. Indic car Jason. We got Indy car Jason with us. And we- He's usually Formula One, Jason, but now he's any kidding. For the week. Yeah, so a few weeks ago, I had a good friend of mine text me.

He's like, I want to come on your podcast. And I literally had to reread this text twice. I was like, did this guy just ask me this? Because I feel as honored as I've ever felt. One of the, yeah, I did. One of the best guys, one of my favorite guys in the NASCAR garage is joining us this week. Shout out to Mr. Jeff Burton. Jeff, good to have here.

I take the hell of a week to come on. that's exactly what I was going to ask you. That's what I was going to bring up. TJ and I should have said, hey, I want to come on your show when it's convenient and not difficult.

I'll let you know Sunday night one week. Just a little lame week I'm coming. So ironically, Dale Jr. was texting TJ and myself last night or out about what, TJ midnight, something like that?

I mean, I was still in Texas time, so it wasn't midnight for me yet, but it was probably 11 for me. So it was probably, and he's like, don't y'all let Jeff Burton off the hook. You get him riled up and you get him fired up.

You get his opinion. out of them. I was like, oh, we will. We will. Yeah, we got a, we got high expectations for you. I didn't, you know, that's the first time I've heard someone have to think that they have to rile me up to get my opinion. You thought it was easy? Yeah, it's not, uh, that doesn't happen at home. I can tell you that. Yeah.

How many races have you been to so far this year? Because obviously NBC hadn't picked it up yet. Obviously Harrison's racing. Have you been to almost all of them? I've been to all of them except for the Bristol dirt race. Yeah. I didn't go to Bristol dirt. You know, I like being at the track. And then, you know, doing the stuff with the driver's council and then, you know, Harrison and then just my job.

Like I like to, you know, I like to be at the track. I think I learn more. I think I see more. But there are times I need to take a step back and watch television too. And it's hard for me to watch it in replay. Like a replay is awesome, but I already know what happened. And it's hard for me to keep my attention. Yeah.

But it's important for me to watch the broadcast as well. So I'm going to not go to a few more coming up at these last, right before NBC picks up, just because I want to get back in the TV flow. Right. But I like being at the racetrack. You bring up Drivers Council, and that's one of the reasons I was excited you're coming on here. Tell me how you ended up. You are always nicknamed the mayor, and now you literally are the mayor.

By your boy, boyer, he stuck that on me. And now you literally are the mayor. He's caught so much crap in the sport. But you're leading a consolidated effort, which we've never. really had, you know, not with representation, right? So you're leading this effort. How did you get to be the guy, the mayor, of this thing? And what are you guys working on? That's a good question. As far as what, you know, how I got that. Honestly, it was kind of weird. I had three or four drivers at the same time, like within a week of each other texting me, asking me if I could help

do something. And to be honest, you know, I like serving my community. You know, I, I like serving my community. I thought I wanted to be in politics before I got older and wiser and realized that's insane. Like, why would you want to do that? So, but this is my community. I mean, it really is. I mean, I, you know, I feel attached to it. I want it to be better. And, you know, I had this situation where I had multiple drivers texting me, calling me, asking me if I would help them.

And then, frankly, I didn't know if it could work. So I went and had conversations. with a lot of people, car owners, NASCAR, a lot of people in NASCAR, drivers clearly, just a lot of people in the industry. And, you know, the more I talk to people, the more I realize, hey, this can really help the industry. And it's not, you know, the drivers just want to have a seat at the table. Like, the drivers understand that they shouldn't make every decision. Right. They understand that, but they also, they want their input heard. They won't at least have a voice at the table.

And, you know, the, I think the one of the tipping points from me was, was Atlanta. When they made the decision, they're going to repave Atlanta and, you know, completely change it. The way all that got communicated, it wasn't cool. And then the drivers got riled up about it. And a lot of people are like, well, the whiny drivers or whatever, but they cared. right and and we want our athletes to care they're the they're the superstars there's no way around it nobody goes to watch i mean i love richard children so they don't go to watch richard children's own a car they go to watch you know his drivers drive the thing and so they're the superstars that's who

they buy tickets to come see them and they should have a seat at the table and and and then for me and you know retired and out of the sport for a while you know i know the things that that older drivers deal with and and you know, is there a way to prevent that stuff? So is there a way to move the ball on safety? Is there a way to move the ball on fan interaction? Is there a way to move the ball on making racing better? I mean, we all have the same goals.

I mean, at the end of the day, NASCAR wants better racing, the tracks want better racing, the drivers, the fans, right? Who doesn't want it to be safer? Who doesn't, I mean, who doesn't want more people to want to be at the sport? I mean, we all have the same goals, but how do we get there?

Yeah. And in order to do that, all of the key players in the sport need a seat at the table, all of the key players. And when you take 36 drivers and you can't, it's hard to get an opinion because you have 36 guys that don't really sit down and have a conversation together. If you can get them together, 22 of them agree after a debate, an argument, a discussion. When you have 36, it's hard to get an opinion of a driver because you have 36 voices firing at you. Yeah. And so if the goal isn't for us to all agree, the goal is for us to disagree and to have debate and honest debate based on facts and real information,

not on, not on, I think, this is why, here's why. And in order to get to that, you have to do it with facts and you have to have the right information. So really that's what it's about. It's not about, you know, it's not a players union. It's nothing like an NBA thing or an NFL thing. It's nothing like that. That would never work in the sport. and that's not what we're trying to do. We're trying to have a collective voice, a seat at the table to move the ball forward, make things better. Is it fair to say the owners got a bigger seat at the table with the charters and it made the driver's voices even less heard? Well, I think it's fair to say that the charters changed the game and the way NASCAR and the owners work together. I'm not saying that's a bad thing. Right.

I think the owners have a. have a major investment and they deserve to have a major seat at the table. And in my view, I want every car owner to get filthy rich owner a race car. Which is hard to do.

But the entire sports better if they do. The more owners can be successful, the better it is for everybody because that means that sponsorship's strong. That means fan interaction is strong. We have a strong sport if we have healthy car owners. And healthy car owners are going to pay drivers more.

You know, what we need in this sport is owners just wanting really badly to hire the hot free agent. Yeah, best guy. Yeah, the best guy as opposed to the guy with the money. That's what we need. And so having a healthy sport allows that. And ultimately, that's better for the drivers. I mean, you know, we want. Everybody.

Everybody across the board. Spotters, we want car owners to say, I want you, man. I'm going to pay you because I want you. But they got to have the finances to do it. And so we have to be, the drivers have to be part of a system that understands there's an ecosystem. And everybody's got to be successful. You can't own racetracks if you can't be profitable. This is going to open Pandora's box, but to me, you just opened it.

So I literally was sitting there this weekend. And I'm watching television, which now you have a big voice in, part of the NBC broadcast. And I keep watching those guys leave as soon as the race is over. They don't necessarily get the better interviews from drivers who got wrecked on the last lap or who finished third for the first time. And I literally on a plane last night, I was like, you know what, man, NASCAR is getting into a fickle situation because the broadcast wants to take care of its advertising partners.

And the drivers and the teams need to take care of their sponsors. And when you're exiting before the race, when you're exiting as soon as the race is over, you're not giving our guys and our teams a fair chance. It's more complicated than that. And the reason it's more complicated is because whatever is being shown next has the same challenges that we have. And they have a TV window that starts,

I'm making a number up at 11 p.m. When you start them at 11.40 p.m., what happens to their sponsor? What happens to their viewers? Right. So TV works in an ecosystem as well. So yes, if you're a race fan and the race runs long, you need to prepare to go to somewhere else, FS1s or NBC, Peacock.

Like you got to be prepared to move when that race is over if you won't hear the interviews. Because TV, although we're race fans and we don't care about the next. thing, TV has a business to run too. And the people that are on that neck, let's just say it's golf. Well, golf is on at 11 o'clock. They expect to be on 11 o'clock. You're taking their

time away. So it's not that TV says, hey, the hell with you race fans, we don't care, we don't want to give you the interview, is that they have other fans and you've run into their time. So you have to be respectful of their business. You have to be respectful

for their fans as well. And it's even harder when it's on NBC versus USA Network. 100%. Well, USA, it may not be harder. I don't know. That's what I'm saying. It's harder because it's on network. It's harder.

It's when you are on the, when you're on, when we were on NBC Sports, it's still, yes, it's harder, but it's still hard because the next sporting event that came on NBC sports, again, they had their time allotted to them and you're taking it that away from them. It isn't that Fox or NBC doesn't want to show the interview. They have everyone there. They've already made the investment.

They have everyone prepared to do the interviews. The investment is there. It's not a money thing. It's that you have to fulfill your commitment to the guy that has the next time. Right. Yeah.

I imagine, I mean, what would our fans look like if they went to turn on the race that starts at 1 o'clock and we're interviewing the jockey that finished third in the Kentucky Derby? They'd go, get this guy off my screen.

I don't want to. My race is starting. I want to see it. You know, it's the same thing on the backside of ours. Like, they got to get to that, you know, other program, whatever it is. So my question is, is you watch Formula One race. It finishes and it rolls right into like a post-race show that lasts a little while. And they get tons of interviews.

Like they get, everyone gets an interview. They talk about some little bit of the events that happened right there. It seems like we're going to rush a lot. Well, they have an advantageous time slot. So they can. So. You think about, you know, when you watch that morning, yeah, it's always like 9.30 in the morning or 8.30. So what live sport event follows that? That's where it gets difficult, right? So that is a, that's a very advantageous time slot. Well, why not roll into a post ratio like you said? We used to. Yeah. Like roll rate, like go to another network, but get all the other content right afterwards. That way you're not rushing. You know what I mean? Like, well, that's what. So it isn't unusual for us to say, hey, for post-race interviews, go here.

And I think they do capture the content after the... I mean, these guys are getting interviewed. It just ends up showing up on race hub right now. Or like Jeff said, maybe they go to a different channel. So they're catching the content. It's just not part of that program. I have seen Fox do a great job of sharing the videos after on social media to make sure that, like, those who didn't get to see it can. So I think they're making an effort.

But, I mean, you have a great point. Like, there are other sports, not just NASCAR. That broadcast needs to make sure they cover to. You watch a football game. When it's over, you roll it into like a postgame show for a little bit, and you talk about all the stuff then a little bit what happened. I mean, I've always kind of liked that stuff. Unless it goes to double overtime.

Unless the game goes long and then it goes straight to the next game. It could be. That's happened too. And there's, and remember, you've got, if you're, so if you are Fox and you have the 1 o'clock game and the 4 o'clock game, you control that 4 o'clock game and there is time built in the 4 o'clock the 1 o'clock. Yeah. The 1 o'clock game starts really close at 1 o'clock.

That 4 o'clock game is like 418 or whatever. Three minutes after 1, they're kicking off. There's a reason they've built that little bit of time in there for sure. Yeah. So I want to ask you about the racing because you, you raced for decades in NASCAR. And when I came into the sport, 1999.

I watched a lot of guys like you, like Mark Martin, and then eventually guys like Tony Stewart, Jimmy Johnson. They race like gentlemen. And the culture of this game, when you're inside that race car with a helmet on, with this format, has changed so much. Guys are running over each other more than they ever have to win. I mean, we saw Joy Lugano do what he did at Darling until we saw Ross Chastain,

what he did at Cota. What is your take on how the racing culture is on the racetrack right now? Well, first of all, in those two incidents, I thought they were returning what they got, although maybe more severely. Like, they got moved out of the way first. And then they said, okay, you can move me out of the way. You made the rules. You got to live by them.

Now, I don't like the fact that the guys that got moved out of the way finished where they finished. Right. They went from leading a race to, you know, last car and a lead lap or whatever. Like, I didn't like that. Right. But if you are driving a race car and you instigate something, then you, better be prepared to pay the price. I mean, my, the way I raised is I'm going to assume that you're going to race me clean right up until you don't. And then if you don't, then you've made the rules.

But I'm going to go into it assuming you and I are good. You know, Mark and I, so Mark Martin and I, we have a podcast now that, that we do. And we talk a lot about, about that. And it's a different culture for a lot of reasons. And it's not, you know, I don't think, so, you know, you guys know, I've traveled around the country, you know, racing with Harrison. So I've watched a lot of short track racing in the last, you know, you know, he hasn't done that for three or four years. But prior to that, I mean, we spent three or four years all over the place, you know,

watching short track racing. The, the thought that, you know, all these kids are just, don't. care anymore. I don't buy that. I don't buy that. I don't, you know, they don't have to work on their cars or rich daddies, you know, all the stuff we hear. We've had that in racing as long as I can remember. I race against a guy named Wayne Patterson at South Boston Speedway. And I promise you he wasn't a rich kid's dad. He worked his ass off and he would move your ass in a heartbeat. If he was a 17 year old, they'd say, oh, yeah, a little brat, right? We've seen this for forever. And so I don't buy that it's just a bunch of young kids. I don't buy that. I do think

that they emulate what they see on Sundays. And with the way that racing is today and how important restarts are and how important it is to win a race and how important it is to win a stage and how all that stuff, and how important, and people forget this, how important points are. So points, with this new system, everybody thinks that it's all,

you win and you're in, 100% right. How many people made it in points last year? Two or three? Yeah, not many. Harvick barely made it. He made it in on points.

The guy that won like 10 races a year before. And that guy, because he got in on points, now has a chance to win a championship. Points are as important today as they've ever been in the history of sport. And people forget that. So every position,

how many times have we seen in the playoffs, a guy tie somebody or make the next round because of one damn point? It's never been like that. It's never been that close. So when you do that, when you say, okay, man,

we're going to pay you points for every damn thing throughout the race. And those points are more important than ever. And if you win a race, you got a chance to win a championship. which from a guy that never won one is a big damn deal. You're going to get what we got. You're going to get people pushing and trying to make something happen and the aggression level has gone through the roof. And with that, there has been some respect issues that have gone, that have deteriorated.

I don't think we are in this culture problem. I think it's just quite simply, the reward is so big. And, you know, Mark and I have talked about this. I don't know if I could have existed in this model. It wasn't my, I wasn't good at that. I was not, give me 600 miles with a shitty racetrack and get, I'll go get you some. That's me. You give me a 20 mile race on a great race shack with tons of grip, but I'm going to run you 20th. I just, that's not me. I don't know I could have existed in this, in the way they race today. That doesn't make it wrong. That doesn't make it wrong. These drivers that we have today are, don't tell me they're not as good as they used to be.

I don't want to hear it's a bunch of crap. That's a bunch of crap. These guys today could win races in any era. I don't want to hear, well, they ain't as good as y'all were. That's crap, because they are. Are they driving, and I mean this with all due respect, are they driving harder than you drove all the time? Yes.

Yes. Yes. So I drove, listen, I, I think it's important for everybody to understand that everybody has a tolerance level that's different. So, you know, when you put yourself in a stressful situation, whatever that is, some dude, if you're in the parking lot at Walmart and there's an altercation, one dude's going to walk, his comfort level is he's going to get in his car and drive off. Another guy's comfort level is he's going to get in that guy's face. And it's both normal to that person,

that individual person, right? Yeah, I've been with him. that same thing happens on the racetrack. Tyler Redick is really comfortable in situations that other people wouldn't be comfortable in. It's a personality thing. So my comfort level wouldn't have fit this. And my comfort level was really, really beneficial. If you go look at the races I won, I won Darlington. I won Texas with a track that was horrible.

I won. If you go look at the races I won, I won, I won races that were really, really, really challenging racetracks that you had to put it all together for a long day. That was my strength. I never won an all-star race. I don't think I ever won a, you know. So it's real important for you to be at a time in the sport where your skill set meets, right? And so I don't, there's no doubt in my mind

that these drivers could be successful. They're great race car drivers. They're not different than we were. So how do you advise, your son Harrison Burton to to live in this world because I know how you brought him up and it wasn't to be that. No, it's not. And he's he's having to change this car also. He's having to change the way what's made him successful. That it's not that doesn't work with this car. You've got to so that process is happening and they're starting to connect the dots. And but it is it is

completely different than what he has when he's won race. in his career at every level, it's different than the way you have to win races with this car. That's another thing. This car has changed the way you have to drive a race car. And if you would have told me six months ago that these guys, y'all see it every day, the way they drive these cars in the corner.

Crazy. Oh, my God. Yeah. And in January, at Charlotte, they couldn't make a lap without spinning out. And now they're like, Roe-Rae! Barely lifting.

I think you make a great point about your skill set matching your time because I think there's no better example of that than Ross Chastain right now. For whatever reason, this car just lends itself to Ross's driving style and he's performing every week. You know, he's in the top five, top 10 all race long. What I wanted to ask you about because we've talked about this on the show and we talked about Harrison here so we can bring it in here. Some of us, namely the mouthy one in the middle has been critical of, no, the other middle now. critical of who's in the booth and what kind of ties they have to teams or drivers. Namely, we mentioned Chad Canals, Jeff Gordon. Austin.

What's it like, Austin, Dillon was in there. What's it like for you to have to be up there, you know, in the past, Xfinity racing now you'll have to go forward to the cup racing, watching Harrison and having to be impartial about anything that happens on the racetrack with him? So, you know, people laugh when I say this. I was a hard-ass dad. so Harrison fully expects me to bust his ass if he does something wrong. So I don't have to worry about hurting my son's feelings.

Yeah, that's good. And it really, I mean, I feel like I don't, I have to have, I have to have the respect of the drivers that I'm covering. it is completely unfair and ridiculous and disrespectful for me to not recognize that I'm covering the sport, not my son. And if I can't walk in the garage and everybody know that I'm there to do my job and I can put that aside, then I need to find something else to do. And I think there's not fair to anybody.

Multiple instances in Xfinity. I remember a couple of times he had issues and it was, you know, I felt like you called it exactly how it happened. No, no, there was no bias. Or even when he was fighting for a win, it wasn't like you were rooting for him. You were specifically calling the race impartially, which was, I mean, impressive, considering he's your son. Well, so let's, it'd be foolish for me to think that people don't think that I want him to win. Yeah. Right.

I mean, I'm not, you know, I'm not, I'm a hard ass, but I'm not cold. Hold on it. You know, clearly I want my son to win. Right. But, you know, when Harrison and Noah had that race at Texas and Harrison passed Noah on the last corner, that was a major event in that season for Noah, way more than for Harrison. And the second they crossed the start, finish line, that's what I said. I made a comment about Noah, not Harrison.

because that was the story of the race. The story of the race was you had this guy that if he wins a race, his season changes major. And it wasn't the case for Harrison. And that was what was... I mean, I high-fived... I think it was Jimmy with racing insights.

I was high-fiving him as they're going across the line talking about Noah. Because that's my job. And when I look at the sport, I try to look at it from the... the entire thing, not from Harrison's point of view. And if you do that, it's not very hard to cover the sport. Yeah, we could literally, Jason, keep this going all day long.

I know we've got to get into this show. But I want to ask Jeff one more thing. You mentioned earlier, you want the owners to make money in racing. You want them to be able to hire the next hot guy. If you're an owner in the Cup Series right now and you have a team that is not up to par, and there's a few of them out there, who are you going to go get? Oh, man, that's so... That's not a current Cup Series driver.

Like, who are you going to go get? Oh, not a current Cup Series driver? You're bringing a guy up. Oh, God. You're not signing Free Agent Kyle Busch or maybe, you know, free agent Kevin Harvick or whoever. Like, who are you going to get? Oh, wow.

That's a... So here's the thing. If... So I thought that what Denny Hamlin did this year to bring in Kurt Bush to work with Bubba Wallace was brilliant. So I'm not going, I don't think there's a rookie out there that exists that I'm going to hire to help turn my team around. And that's not against anybody. I would, you know, when, when, you know, that's not the right move.

I, you know, you're not going to hire an Xfinity guy to come in or a truck guy to come in and turn your team around. You have to hire a guy understanding it's going to be a. process. So if you're Matt Collig and you've got Justin Haley sitting there full time and then you've got this other car you're running with multiple drivers. Noah Gragson's in it. AJ Amadinger's in it. You know, Daniel Hemrick's in it some. I think Almonddinger ought to drive it all the time. That's the guy you're going to go get. For colleague. Yeah. Yeah. Because he gets the system. He gets the and that's not against, that's nothing against anybody. Right. But Amundinger's in a happy, he's in a happy place in his life. That team blends. Yeah. And he gets the. So you don't

think you think you got to stay in the cup series to hire the next big thing. Not to hire the next big thing. To hire the guy that's going to make an immediate impact on my team, I do. If I'm going to make, if I'm struggling, your definition to me was I got to turn this team around. Well, I got to go hire, I got to go hire, you know, somebody that I know can do it. I got to, which is what Denny did. Like, when he hired Kurt Bush, what he did is he looked at everybody in his shop and went,

Can't blame it on the driver. And there's times you have to do that. Like you have to, you know, when you hired Mark Martin, you could turn around and do, right. It's not him. That's not this guy. That's okay. That's what sports are.

Like when you hired, when you hired, when you hired the rookies this year, they didn't hire any of the rookies this year thinking that that was the guy that was going to take them to the promise land this year. They hired the rookies thinking, hey, we're going to build. we're going to build. It took me four years. Yeah, it took me four years to win a race. And I, you know, I won 21 cup races and 28 or something

extended. I should have won one more. They took one away from me, which is wrong. But, yeah, they say they don't take wins away. Daddy said you could have it back now last night. He's getting wins away. So the driver thing is, the driver thing is really important. You have to, you have, it's very important.

to put the driver in the system in which he can be successful. Yeah. And I know that sounds crazy, but not every driver's the same. Trust me. None of y'all are the same. They're not the same. None of y'all are normal either. No, you've got to put the guy in a position that suits him.

Or if you can't build the system around him, go get the guy that you can. Sometimes you have to ignore stats and get the guy that fits in your program. Well, before we head in spot on spot off, I think it's very, important to note that it is a big weekend in racing with the Nd-500 and the Coke 600, but it's an even bigger weekend for Dirty Mo Media. That is correct. Y'all are doing another sweet experience before the race Sunday at Charlotte. How are you looking forward to that? It's going to be awesome. We've got 62 people coming in a suite. Jeff Burton last time was kind enough to stop by in Las Vegas and stick his head in there and say, hey, and take some photos. And it's going to be freaking awesome.

I mean, you talk about a race, the Coke 600. We've seen these wheels coming loose. We've seen these wrecks. We've seen drivers get mad. That happens in a one and a half hour window. Now we got a freaking 600 mile window. Yeah, I mean, you saw it all day yesterday. You got flat tires and all this stuff.

And I can't think of any better way to watch a 600 mile race than in an air-condition suite with all the food and beer you could drink. Yes, that's why would you do anything else? Yeah. I don't understand. And the three of us and Mike Davis are going to. going to be in there for at least a couple hours. That's one reason you wouldn't do it. I think the real star of the show is Jordan Taylor.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Who will be in the suite with us. He's there all race or we, or we know he's going to be there. We don't know how long he's going to be there, so don't miss him. Yeah, if it's too cold with the Jorts, he's probably going to have on. Yeah. That guy's fun.

But yeah, I mean, preferred parking. Got all the things. You're a rock star. Everything you need. Essentially you're a rock star. And Jason, of course, is too important to be there this weekend. And he will be an indie. for the D-D-500.

You're going to be Indy 500. For the first time in my life, I'm jealous of Jason Schultz. Because I want to go to the Indy 500. And the reason I would want to go this year, solely go this year, would be to watch Jimmy Johnson. Because, because, A, he's on an Oval, where he had his best finishes and Indy car driver a few weeks ago. And B, I think he may end up with a chance to win this race. The way this race plays out in a way, and I've seen, you know, the Kurt Buses of the

world go out up there without the experience in those cars that Jimmy has. and I think he's probably, and this is debatable, the best stock car driver to ever live, to see him get in that space now and get in his comfort zone and go 240 miles an hour or whatever those guys are doing. I was against him doing it, Burton.

I was like, why the fuck would this guy go run an indie car at the Indy 500? He's putting it, I don't want him to do it. That was a quote on the show. You literally said that. And now I'm so excited he's doing it as a fan that I can't. wait. He's fast. He's fast. And if you watch qualifying yesterday and you saw that save that he made

during his qualifying run, like, I think everybody has to have more respect than they've ever had for him. So I can't wait to watch him on track. And I can't wait to see some content from Dredimo Media, too. We're going to do all the fun things. Snake Pit, drinking all day, milk, kissing the brakes. What a great media company, Dale Jr. is in there. Let's go have fun. Are you paying him to go? Yeah, that's good point. Although when he went to Vegas for the first time earlier, this year. He first ever trip to Vegas.

They had him, where was the first, the first hotel? Bugsor. Bucsor. So they, they didn't, they didn't allow a song. No. You welcome. Thank you, Brett. Let me ask you this. What day are you planning on doing all this drinking? Wednesday through Monday. You'll never make it.

So I saw what you looked like in the street on Vegas on Sunday after a couple hours on Saturday. So I don't think that's a good point. Is there somebody that will be there to like make sure there actually is content. Yeah, that's good point. We are launching a new series, too, called Next Level to Andrew Curland, and he's interviewing Jimmy Johnson this week. It's going to be on Dirty Mouse social platforms all this week.

He's going to be in charge of us, but... So the guy that put diesel... The guy that put diesel in his gas cars in charge of everybody. Andrew Curling goes to the Kronkite school. Super smart kid takes his dad's car to the gas station and puts diesel fuel in it, like at the gas pump. I'm going to ask you a serious question, Jason right now. How did DirtyEwe?

Mo Media get an interview with Jimmy Johnson at the Indy 500. Did Dale Jr. make this happen or did Dirty Mo Media go through like Amy Walsh? It was Jason. How does this happen? Probably this producer. I probably made it happen. Mike Davis may have made a call and we set it all up. Okay.

We're going to get exclusive. Yeah. Exclusive in Jimmy's head before he raised the first $700. I love it. I'm excited about it. I just was curious how you got to that point. It'll be a good interview. Yeah.

Jimmy would be awesome. Yeah. So follow Dirty Moe Media all week on social media. A lot of content coming out of indie. What's amazing to me about Jimmy is that, you're talking about his qualifying run and practice. So he's willing to put himself out there. And at that stage of my life, nope.

Like I got done cup race and I'm done. I don't even want to race a late model. Jimmy Johnson went, you know what? I'll go do this. Another huge series. Yeah. And knowing that you're going to get your ass kicked. And he did.

And, you know, I saw him at the 24 hour this year and I'm talking to him and, I mean, he's happy as hell. And I'm thinking, damn, man, that don't look fun to me. But he's pushing himself to be better. And I think that's what drives that guy, you know, and that's why he was so, when he was at his prime, that's why he was so great is that it was never good enough, never good enough, never rested, never quit, never, you know. And that's what makes, you know, some people are so talented, they don't have to work hard. But if you get that right guy that's super, super talented and works his ass off, he will destroy you. That's Jimmy Johnson. That's Jimmy Johnson.

That's Jimmy Johnson for sure. Yeah. That's Jimmy Johnson. So we can't talk you into running an SRX race or anything, man. Man. Not even in South Boston? Nope. But we tried.

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Spot on means you agree. I'm spot on. Are you joking me? He's lost his mind. Oh, and by the way, no one ever seems to agree. And then spot off means you disagree. Spot off. Here we fucking go.

This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. But if you're T. Um, uh, uh, there's only one correct answer. I don't know. It's time for spot on, spot off. All right, spot on, spot off. First topic, NASCAR throws a caution on the white flag lap of the all-star race for Ricky Sandhouse Jr. hitting the wall.

Freddie. Oh, boy. Yeah. I'm glad you asked him first. Yep. You got 45 seconds. Go. Spot off, a thousand percent. This happened right in front of us.

We were running, I don't know, 10th, 12, something like that. And Ricky was two cars, about five cars on the track, two cars ahead of us. And just looked to me like he got a flat and took off up the racetrack. And I asked his spotter tab. I said, did you get the fence? He said, no, I don't think so. Now, I don't know if I didn't see a replay of it. So I don't know if he hit the fence or not.

But, you know, they called out turn two. but he looked up. Ricky was still rolling down the back straightaway. And I thought he was easily going to make it a pit road. It wasn't, didn't look to me like he was shredding parts or anything. And I was really surprised that they threw the yellow flag there for some reason. I didn't,

I didn't understand it. I didn't understand the timing of it. I don't know. I just, to me, this whole weekend, there was a lot of questionable cautions on when they did throw them and when they didn't throw them.

And I just, we harp on here all the time about consistency with the caution flag. And again, this was another case. where we didn't get it. Yeah. Brett. I want Burton to go next.

Well, I was trying to, like, ease him in order, but I want Jeff Bird to go next. Sorry. I think, I want to hear Jeff's opinion before I totally. Is this the start of this discussion? Well, because something tells me this is not going to be a short discussion. Don't you worry. This is going to come up again. Yeah.

This will keep coming up. So you might as well say your piece now. Well, I don't, this is you guys show. So I don't want to control the tempo. Well, you go ahead. Yeah. No, really. I can guarantee you, Brett, will have some smart-ass remark.

I don't matter what you say. So what do you think of the fact that they called that caution right at the end? That was spot off for sure. And listen, and to their credit, they admitted it. Right. You know, to their credit, they came out and said, hey, we, you know, that was on us. And, you know, Scott Miller, listen, I've known Scott Miller for a long time. Scott Miller, I got where I couldn't hit my ass on a racetrack.

And I got winning again. and contending to win a championship, and Scott Miller was a cruci. I haven't known Scott Miller for a long time. He's a good guy. And there's a lot of good people in that NASCAR Tower and a lot of racers in that NASCAR tower, hardcore racers, but they screwed up.

And it's not a mistake that they should have made. I am always, you know, I'm a little sympathetic because I think that any time you start changing the damn rules for a special event, you open the door for stuff. And any other race, they throw that caution, race is over, everybody's locked in, it's done. They throw that caution and it's a unique deal. They took the white flag, a normal race, race is over, but now it's not. And those guys have to adjust on the fly to that.

It was not a caution to need to be thrown. for any reason, even if it would have been in the middle of the race. That's what was confusing to me. Like, that caution just didn't need to come out. And so they owned it. But then when you make the mistake, how do you handle it? And I will tell you that I think one of the worst calls in the history of the sport, in the history of the damn sport, was when they put Jeff Gordon in the damn playoffs

because of what happened at Richmond with the NWR cars. That was a civil record. That was one of the dumbest things that ever happened in the history of the sport. And I will tell you, when they made that call, it made me wonder if I even wanted to be in this sport. It was so horrendous to put a guy in the sport because what might have happened. Bull crap.

You don't know what would have happened. You can't make a call on what might have happened. So I hear people say they should have brought him down pit road. don't buy all that. What they did, well, I'm watching it. I had left the racetrack and gone to the hotel

and was watching the race in the hotel. I was acting, full confession, I was at the bar. There were three guys at the bar and they were like, what's happening? And I'm like,

he ain't getting that winning that up. It ain't going to happen. They turn around looking and they recognize me. Like, whenever's a guy that should know, I said, he ain't getting that damn winning that up. It ain't happening. Not possible.

Yeah. Right. But we've talked about this a lot where fans basically are pissed off when the race ends under yellow. So now they're trying to change it. Don't you have to give NASCAR credit for making at least an effort on a non-point race? If it's a real yellow, it was another 100 feet.

I mean, I back up to Saturday's race. I'm spot off for this, obviously. I back up to Saturday's race. And we had a car to spin in one and two, a lap after a restart. And it was in the middle of the pack. And it was a full-blown wreck. And we stayed freaking, when I got finished. When I got finished spotting that particular wreck, the whole spin in front of you, he's in the middle, go to the bottom, do all these things.

And I look down and I'm like, they have thrown a freaking caution. It's under green. You got to go. Then the next thing I see, Justin Algeyer, who had a dominant car, he goes into one. He gets a flat. He is completely out of the way. He's not strolling debris on a racetrack. He comes off a two and they throw a caution.

And I'm like, so we throw a caution for something that's not a wreck, but when we actually have a wreck, we don't throw a caution. It goes back to what Freddie said, consistency. Here's what I want to know. And this is a question I asked Jay Fabian last year, and he didn't answer me. Who decides if we're throwing the caution? That's what I want to know. Because that's the person that needs to be a, is it Scott Miller?

Well, if you listen to what Scott Miller said last night. And I love Scott Miller, too, by the way. Yeah. What Scott Miller said last night was that they were, they saw the incident, they were talking about it. and the quote, I'm not going to get it perfect, race director looked up, not sure what he was looking at, he pushed a button to throw the caution. That was Scott Miller's word.

So in that situation, that was the race director that has the button that turns the caution lights on, he looked up, saw something hit the button. That's in... Do you think the race director in the Cup series should change on a weekly basis? Or should it be one person that is a, David Hoot's mastermind of that position.

Do we need one guy or do we need multiple guys in that role? So listen, the common sense tells me one guy, but I, but, you know, listen, I, I, one thing I've learned in my life is that until you walk in someone else's shoes, you don't really understand what they do. You don't really understand the challenges. So common sense tells me there should be one guy, but I don't know the pitfalls in having one guy. There's a reason they have two.

They're not a bunch of dumbasses. There's a reason that they have two. Now, I'm not saying that's right or wrong, but there is, if they have two or three or four, whatever that number is, I honestly don't know. But common sense tells me the same way we, I remember the conversations about NFL referee, should they be full-time people? And I'm like, well, hell yeah, I invest my Sunday to watch an NFL game. I wanted to be officiated the best it can.

But did having a full-time guy make the officiating better? Just because I thought it did or would, didn't mean that. that it was actually going to happen. I think it helps with consistency. And Thomas says yes, but again, I don't know the pitfalls of that. I don't know. And having been on the roof 20 plus years, and I think my peer spotters here will agree, it helps us because we know what the tower is probably going to do versus in those

scenarios where you don't know what the hell is going to happen. And it literally ends up being a crap show. I mean, right now, on any given weekend, we have three different voices that we hear in race control, whether that's running practice, qualifying, or the actual race. themselves obviously multiple series I get that one person shouldn't be asked to do all those things all weekend long but maybe they should because the spotters do them all all weekend long yeah but y'all's job's easy hey I will say though when when like when you had david hoots you knew what was pretty much going to be a caution he knew what you were going to do on a restart he knew your

little tricks he told get him up he called jimmy jacking yeah he would he would call people out coming to the green because he knew their tricks and he'd be like rocky get him up he'd call like he would say Rocky, get it, you know, get them on up there or whatever. So I think that consistently helps a lot too. And it just seems like it did flow. Like it flowed really well. So my question to you guys, who with you guys has sat down with NASCAR and said, here's our opinion. So we got you?

I'm not, I don't represent you guys. We actually have a better open channel right now with NASCAR than we ever have. Whether that be email, text or talking on the radio. The last time I talked to Tim Berman and Link was in Daytona about some radio issues that we have as a group and I gave him my advice and he took it very openly. So I think, Jeff, like, coming from us,

it's the best it's ever been. I think it literally is just, to Freddie's point, it's just inconsistency. They got to get more consistent. Well, listen, I, I, I, last night was a screw up. And there was a few others. I thought there was a caution thrown for Harvick at a few weeks ago. Yeah, last week.

Yeah, with tire on the front. Yeah. Yes, I see what you're saying. And we do need, the competitors deserve consistency, the fans deserve consistency. And it's easier for NASCAR when they're consistent. And so they have to make sure that when things like this happen or the caution you mentioned, you know, why?

Why are we doing this? How do we do better? And I've spent a lot of time with NASCAR over the last six months. And I was one of those drivers that went in the hauler. When I drove, I was in a hauler every week. I went in there every week because I wanted to make sure they knew what I thought. And there's no doubt in my mind that they want to be better than they are. There's no doubt my mind about that.

Now, that doesn't cover up for last night because last night shouldn't happen. Well, I will say this openly. We still have, despite the fact that Jeff Gluck's poll this week isn't trending well, we still have the best all-star event in all-sports because our all-star event is all-out. It's not two-hand touch football. It's not give me a free dunk basketball like we see another sports. These guys are going full out, 100%, 190 miles an hour. We still have the best form of an all-star event, no matter how gimmicky it is.

You complained about all the rules that we talked about last week for the All-Star race. If NASCAR didn't try to switch things up for this race, you would be complaining that it's too boring. You know why they switch them up? Why? Because they want to make sure the race is good. Yeah. You know how to make the race good? Take it to the right racetrack.

Fair. And, you know, I said 15 years ago that the All-Star race ought to be at Hickory Motor Speedway. It ought to be at the historic racetracks of NASCAR. It should go to South Boston Speedway. It should go, it should rotate through the racetracks that help build this sport. It should rotate through those little. towns that help build this sport. And if you did that and let Marcus and his team, because you're taking a race from them,

let Marcus and his teams promote those races like they do at Coda, you wouldn't have to have all the stupid damn rules because the race itself would take care of it. I agree with you. And when you have to start making rules to create the race, that's, we get into these issues. And the hope for Texas this year was that we have seen the best mile and a half race. And I don't want to say in the history of the sport, but we've seen great mile and a half racing this year. There's been some good races. Yeah, the hope was, hey, we're going to get that at Texas, right?

But our expectation for an all-star race is we think Davy Allison and Kyle Petty across the start finish line, every all-star race is normal. It's not. And so, but you will stand a better chance of having that if you did it on a track that you couldn't get away from each other. And it needs to be at a real short track. And if you did that, you would build energy back into the sport. You would connect to those small towns that you used to be connected to. You would have a major positive influence on those economies. you would build tons of excitement about the sport,

and you could do it with 10,000 fans. You don't need 50,000, 100,000, you don't need it. And the PGA does it every week. They bring the grandstands, they bring the suites, they bring the restrooms, they do it every week. We could do it. And you would have better racing, and you wouldn't have to create these gimmicky rules

to make it so that you are trying to have a better race. I mean, I think you saw that last year with the SRX series. You know, when the SRX series, I namely Stafford, because that's a place I know. I'm familiar with a lot of people that work there. Like, there was no tickets to be had for that race because the SRX was bringing Tony Stewart and Helio and whoever else to town.

I mean, that place was as packed as I've ever seen it. I'm sure all the other SRX races were very similar. So you take these, like Jeff said, these stars to these small towns, you're going to, these places are going to, these places are going to be mobbed with people. And like you said, you don't need to have 100,000 people there to put on a good show. I think what Jeff said is the most important thing there is that you can't get away.

Right now, you can't get to each other. And you go into one in qualifying, and we can hear these guys when they lift now. And you got the guys at the front are, you know, one, mom, back in, like, and then you got a guys that just lift for a couple seconds. They're half a second off at a short track. you don't have that. I looked down yesterday at the last, like 12 to 1512 to go.

Danny had put tires on whatever, 25 to go, 27 to go, and Blaney's on the same time as he started that stage with, Blaney's two-tenths faster than him. Like, I don't understand. I mean, that's obviously a tire issue. Yeah, I mean,

they couldn't get around us. It's obviously an issue with the tire, but at the same time, like that's the race we're putting on where this guy's out there on 25 lap older tires and he's still faster than the guy just because he's in a little bit of dirty airback. But if you go to a hickory,

what happens there you can't do what you can do at hickory if Alex Bowman had four tires last night at the end and couldn't pass us I'm gonna go ahead and tell you if he gets to us at Hickory he's gonna get around us because he's gonna go in there

and lay out not break quite as hard and shove us up the racetrack and that then we're gonna race side by side until he has enough of it and he's gonna roll us up a little higher than we want to in the middle and take off but that's good racing like I'm not saying when I saw some great race

I did see some great racing last night I watched, shoot I watched Alex and Ricky race side by side for five laps straight. But at a short track, you know, one slip up in a corner and a guy's there. And if he's within a striking distance there, that's, I'm going to go ahead and tell you. You know, you know when a guy's close enough down to back straightaway to, oh, is he going to do it? Is he going to do it? You know what I mean? Like, I agree with Jeff on the short track stuff where you just can't get away and put tire, have a few guys stay out or something, put tires on a cup.

Let him come through there. That's how it used to be. We just have an expectation level for an all-star race that's different than we do for a 600-mile race. Yeah, for sure. And we should. We should. Yeah. We should.

We should. What's wrong with that. Oh. And remember, I don't know how many of you guys have sat in something going 195 mile an hour and get turned around backwards. Now, I'm out. It hurts. It looks like it hurts. And it's an awful long.

lot to ask. I mean, these guys don't sit in those race cars saying about getting hurt. But it's a whole other world when you can just damn door slam the hell out of somebody and maybe get out and, you know, the consequence is getting punched in the face.

It's different than the consequence head on in the wall at Texas. Is it different? I think we saw this yesterday. Me and Brett were talking about it during the open. Suarez came across the eight's nose in the second or third stage

and they could easily wrecked if Redick wanted to stay in there, they were going to wreck. and somebody on his team, I don't know if it was crew chief spotter told him, you know, when you get back to him, you better, you know, take care of that. And Reddick's like, no, I'm not wrecking a guy in this car

at this place. Like, you don't do that here, you know, like it's not something you can do. So, you know, that you have to race with that respect level of, you know, and we have, we build it up. Like, what are these guys willing to do for a million dollars? I'm going to tell you. This is it.

Hickory, that guy's going up the hill. Oh, yeah, he's gone. This is a good segue to this next point. Yeah. Yep. Ryan Blaney wins on the final restart without a fully fastened window net and isn't penalized when Scott Miller says that they felt Blaney had the window latched because he has both hands on the wheel and the window net was up. Spot on, spot off, Brett. Okay, I'm a spotter and I know that he can't put his window net back up.

Jeff's a driver. He said on her earlier, he knows he can't put his window net back up. when you watch the beginning of this race, the majority of time, one of the biggest, strongest guys on the team is the guy who is up there fastening this window net. So there's no way in hell that they actually thought that window net was up. And the first thing I thought of when this happened, and I hate to bring this up, but it was Jerry Nadeau at Richmond, where he had a terrible wreck getting into turn one. He hit driver's side and he hit the wall. And we aren't sure. I was told we aren't sure if the window net. was able to keep his helmet from hitting the wall, the way his body gave and flexed and the way

his head went. We're at a mile and a half, and we're doing massive major high speeds. So for me, I think what they should, first of all, Ryan Blaney's an idiot for dropping his window net. Sorry, race ain't over. You had, I mean, what I hear a pilot say, when I hear when I talk to good pilots and Jeff's been around a lot of good pilots, they're responsible for that airplane from the time it moves until it parks back at the next gate.

So even though they're already on the ground, the reason they ask you to keep your seatbelt fastness, something might happen. So he drops his window net before start finished. That's his dumb ass fault. He screwed that up. But him thinking the race was over, it being an all-star race,

NASCAR should have said, if they're going to let him stay in that position, which they did, they didn't black flag him. If they're going to let him stay at the point, they should have brought him in, and they should have let him fix it and they give him a spot back.

Otherwise, you got a black flag. The number one thing I want for my name, nine-year-old kid playing baseball as an umpires to keep the game safe. That's the official's jobs. I don't think that was a case yesterday. I'm a huge spot off for this. I'm okay with bringing him down, pit road, but I don't think you bring him down and let him fix it. That's his mistake. You said it. He was my leading candidate for one idiot this week because he didn't know the rules. The first rule about my job is know the damn rules. And you've got to know the rules. That was the yellow flag you saw, not the checker flag. I noticed that, you know,

full disclosure, I didn't know that that was a deal. But when I saw that that was the yellow flag and not the yellow and the checker together. I said, this thing ain't over, you know, and he made that mistake. And like you said, we know that he did not, could not properly fasten his window net. What he did was pulled it out of the backside. He faked it. When anybody doesn't know, he had it fully connected and was trying to latch it, trying to latch it, couldn't get it. So what he did was pulled it out of the backside to take all the tension off it so he could latch latch it with the front and make it appear that it was latched. And he did a good job of it because it was latched. It was latched. It just wasn't properly fastened because the back.

wasn't in there. So, you know, I don't, I'm okay with, if you want to bring him down and check it, but when you get down there and it's not right, sorry, your black flag. You made that mistake. You can't let him fix it just because you threw a bogus caution. But, you know, I don't.

You also can't knowingly let him stay out there at 190 miles an hour, knowing the fucking thing ain't up. No. Well, they're, you know, listen, this deal was very convoluted right from the beginning because we rode around for a long time for a caution. that wasn't even supposed to be a caution while he's trying to get the window net up. And the second that he got it latched, we got the latest one to go we got all night.

It was off a turn four. Okay, one to go with the line this time. So it was, there was, there were, they were, they knew that they had screwed this up, I feel like. And they kind of knew that they were, it seemed to me like they were giving him ample opportunity to get that thing back up there. And then as soon as he did, we were rushing one to go. And we were, that was, we get one to go where every week? Oh, three. Middle of one and two.

The latest three. It's usually releasing the Lucky Dog or wave around to whoever often turn to. And it's one to go down to. You know it's coming. They closed pit road. You know it's coming. And this time it was, oh, I want to go right here. And we were in the four.

And so I was like, oh, we're going one to go. You know, our choose numbers is this or whatever. But there was some things going on there. There were out of the ordinary for what was normal for that situation. T.J. Spawn and spot off. I mean, as much as it pains me to say that these two guys are right, they're pretty spot on. What scares me about it is we just witnessed

Ross Chastain basically get all the way up flying through the air. Yeah, with his driver's window net close to the ground. And I know, I mean, I couldn't get a street stock window net up by myself. There's no way this thing. And the glow in the dark gloves that Ryan would wear, I mean, when you look at that TV screen, what's the first thing that you see? Oh, yeah.

The gloves. I mean, I love it because you can see. the hands. What's one of my favorite things about when they show them head-on shots? You can see when the guy's hands, did he hook him? Well, I mean, he turned into him. But yeah, I mean, like, I know we're going to talk about it in a couple, another topic or two, but like that's, it wasn't latched and it needs to be latched. It just wasn't. It wasn't done properly. And after seeing Ross get up like that, I mean, and there could have been another wreck, man. And I worry about a guy

said to you like that, but you need to know the roles, first of all. I saw the yellow and it said in there, race cannot finish under yellow. You know, and that's, that happened and you got to know.

Jeff. So I clearly, I clearly didn't like the call. But I, a couple things. It's more complicated than that for me because I told you I was watching the race in the bar.

I just told the guy's at the bar. He's not getting it latched. and when Scott, when I saw Scott say he had both hands on a wheel warming the tires up, I thought the same exact damn thing. Like I looked, when I saw him down the back straight away, both hands on, I went, how in the hell did he get that thing latched? Now I'm watching it, not a big screen TV, it's not, you know what I mean, I don't have a great view. And I can see the Velco strap flapping, which that is on there, just you have to put that

so you can get the thing tight. They strap that on, then Velcro it. And I'm like, how in the hell did he get it up there? Like, I didn't know how he got it. And so my brain went to somehow he got it latched. But again, I don't have a big screen TV. I'm not able to see it. But in my brain, I'm thinking somehow he got it latched.

And NASCAR, I don't know what cameras they had, how tight they could get. I don't know that. I never saw a shot. shot from where I was sitting that showed it wasn't latched. I mean, I knew it was latched, but that it wasn't until driving to the airport, I'm like, he must have not gotten the back in there. Like, he had enough or someone told him, by the way, that was a million dollar latch of a wind-in-net.

So from a safety side of things, I don't like that they let, if they knew it wasn't latched, I don't like that because you either are going to do it or you're not. and the call, the bad call to call the caution, put them in a position where they did not want to freaking take it from him. And that put them in a situation. Denny Hamlin rightfully was pissed. You know, one wrong, two wrongs don't make the first one.

You know, if you do something wrong, you do it again wrong. It doesn't fix the first one. That was my point about the Brian France thing when they put, when they put Jeff Gordon, in trying to fix a wrong, they made it worse. Two wrongs don't make it right. No, and then, and so

last night, I have to say, I think there was a little bit of that, but again, I have a little bit of sympathy. And on the safety thing, the wind and that's there for a reason. It's no longer there for why it used to be there. It's there for an intrusion of a,

you know, an intrusion. It's not going to keep a car from coming in the car, you know, into the driver, but it would keep a piece of debris coming in there. you wouldn't have a Jerry Nadeu situation where you potentially could get the driver's head in the wall. None of that. The seat does all that today. So the importance of that winning net has come way down, but it's there for a reason.

And you have to treat it accordingly. The drivers, and I've worked for drivers that their seatbelts, for whatever reason, would come unlatched during a race. And they would come out of the radio and say, my seatbelt just come unlatched. And I'm like, I'm thinking, you got a pit, like right now. And these guys aren't normal. They'd keep running. They'd run two, three more laps. And finally, crew chief would be like, you're pitting this lap.

The driver is never going to give up because of that. You can't put it in their hands. You have to protect them from themselves. You have to be the godfather in that situation and take care of guys. Well, Jeff, you alluded to this earlier, but Denny Hamlin had a very strong opinion about this and says they should have black flagged Blaney and says that that is not a, judgment call. You got to play by the fucking rules. Where NASCAR

really got away with one is we nearly crashed off turn to you. So when I send them head first in the traffic and the window net's down, then they got a lawsuit on their hands. What do you guys think about that, Jeff? Well, listen, I don't know about all the lawsuit

and all that. I don't know about all that. But I do believe that what Denny is saying is you know, at least partially correct. Because here you are with a guy. You're watching him. He hasn't winning that down. You know, he can't get it latched and you're like my spot you know it's a safety issue you don't have a choice i see where he's coming from i don't i don't disagree with denny at all i i i you know denny will go a little

further than i would the way he says things but but what he the essence of what he's saying is he's not wrong i mean he's not wrong and saying hey we're either going to call it for safety or we're not he's not wrong for saying tj what do you think this another painful i i agree with danny as well Denny's right again. Told you. He hit the nail on the head, man. I mean, you're not going to let somebody else run around there with a window net that could be down. It wouldn't happen on the fifth lap of the race.

No. So it shouldn't happen on the last. It doesn't matter what lap it's on. If it's not correctly put up, it's not correctly put up. I think that a NASCAR official should have been in their pit box. And I think NASCAR should have said. for safety reasons, Ryan Blaney has to pit.

And if we find that his window net is secure, he can maintain his position as a leader. If it is not, we're going to have to fix it, and he's going to have to start in the back. It's a hard thing to do because you put him in that position to start with. I'd have been okay with that. I agree with you.

You can't let them fix it. You can't let them fix it. No, absolutely not. But it wouldn't be wrong to say, hey, prove me you got it fixed. Yeah. I think that's what, I think that would have been the best case scenario of

come down here and we see it all the time, short track racing especially, you know, the guy in front of me is leaking. Okay, you know what we're going to do? We're going to bring him in here and check if he's leaking. If he's leaking, he's not, he's no, he's got to stay on pit road and fix it. If he's not leaking, you go back out there,

you get your spot back. You know, I don't know what the rule is. I got to look up and see the wording of the rule, but like is the window net, I mean, we wrote around there for, I don't know, four or five laps while he was trying to get it up. Like, is that, should he be black flared under caution? That's eight or nine minutes, by the way.

Yeah, and that's like this, it has to be latched at all times on a racetrack, right? So even under caution, I would think it should have been, listen, your window net's down, post it 12 right now. His side windows out. The window net's down. You know, the first, as soon as he drops it, it should be. It happens once or twice a year, most of the time.

And every time that person gets brought to pick road. And it should be, and it should be immediately as soon as you see it. Not like, okay, right before we go green, you know, it's, it was almost like they were waiting to see if he could get a latch before we go back green. And if we couldn't, they were going to black flag. Remember, they would, they would holler at us to tell our drivers, to keep your windows nets up until you get to pit road. Remember, like, after races, like, tell your driver's window nets up until they get to pit road.

I quit listening after the checker flag. Well, you're on the elevator at that point. I got Brett. I got Brett yesterday. He pumped his shit out of me. He'll love this. So Brett is, you know, he was going to fly home immediately after the open because if they didn't make it.

And so he's got all of his stuff. And he's like, okay, well, you know, this sucks. We're not going to make it. But I'm going home. I'll be home by 8, 9 o'clock. So he's, race is over. He's got all this stuff packed up, and he's done. And I'm on my phone just pretending like I'm scrolling Twitter.

I'm staring at his phone. Like he's reading something intensely. And I'm like, oh, I said, damn, Justin Haley won the fan vote. I tell him. And he's like, his face dropped. He's like, I was like, I'm just kidding. I told Justin the week before we had crashed out. And ironically, we went to a bar.

We called on fire. So we went to a bar. Haley and I did. And I was like, listen, man, I love you. I want you to race your way in this Allstar race. I'm not going to get on Twitter and promote anybody to vote for you. Because if we don't race our way in, I don't think we deserve to be there.

I don't like this fan vote. I hate to. When I had to run that damn thing, it made me so mad after running the open. It was so embarrassing. And, um, I mean, it is. It's like, you suck. You got to run open. And now you have to drive all the way to Texas to run the open.

Yeah. And a race doesn't even suit you. And if we're going to do the fan vote, you need a politic. My ass ain't politicking for somebody to, vote for me. Like if they want to, they can, but I am not going to. I mean, there was political campaigns. I were voting for you. The hell with that. Oh, not in any part of that. It's getting hot. Oh, spot on, spot off. Dale Jr. tweets, stage one was about as fun as a rice cake.

What? Right. I've never even had a rice cake, but it sounds miserable. It is. I text him and I question him. I'm like, how bad is actually a real rice cake? He's like, dude, they're so bad. Did the interview have had a rice cake? It is not good. If you're on a diet. You ever had, you ever like, like Freddie looked like he's been out of diet. You ever put a piece of cardboard in your mouth and like chew it for a minute? So we were texting last night and Del Jr. I was like, who eats rice cakes? He's like, we weren't allowed to have sugar in the house.

So obviously, Del Jr. wasn't a big fan of stage one. I don't think he was a big fan of anything. I'm a spot on for drunk Dale Jr. tweeting. That's what I'm a spot on for. Hey, listen, one thing that you get with Dale Jr. is 100% honesty. he will tell he is the most he and mark martin are two most honest people of it ran around in my life they might say some stuff you wish they had but it's straight enough honest opinion that is true so talk about mark just to go back

on this blaney thing for a second what's what's the bigger up blaney dropping his net and almost costing himself a million dollars or should have probably cost himself a million dollars or mark coming down pit road on the white flag well definitely mark mark mark yeah mark because blaney got away with it mark didn't well no denny gave Marcus win back last night. He gave Mark that win back. He gave Dale a championship, I think, last night. He was giving out trophies because he said we can do a NASCAR can do whatever they want. I talked to Danny last night. He's like, I would love to come on door bumper clear, but I'm glad it's not going to be tomorrow. He said, but make sure you

get Jeff to give his opinion. We're all over it on here. Yeah, that's that a bit. Oh, well, Danny. Danny is speaking his mind. Denny is definitely speaking of us. We said this on the show multiple times. we need to keep a Kyle and a Denny in the sport always. I mean, they share what they're thinking. And a lot of changes, I feel like, have been implemented because of their feedback too. How many times do you talk to Denny and be like, man, just like tone it down a little bit? Or do you just let him go?

I like, I like them to go, man. I like to know what people think. I like to know what their opinion is. I like to know what they think. And listen, we all have our beliefs for a reason. And I just want to understand why you think, you know, like you have a really strong opinion, I want to know the whole story. Why? I want to know the whole story because

I mean, hell, what if we did that in everyday life? What if we looked at the guy next to us and said, you know what? I respect you for the, you have an opinion about something because of reason. What is that reason? I may completely disagree with you, but I'm going to respect you because you have that opinion for a reason. I just want to understand it. Wouldn't we be a whole lot damn better off?

We would be. I'll tell you what next week. We'll get Dale Jr. here. We'll find out what this rice cake stuff's all about. We'll bring that next week. I want rice cakes all around, Jason. Rice cakes through the studio next week. If you soak them in rum, they're pretty good.

Oh, now we know how to do it. Now, yeah. Hey, Denny might be on another podcast this week. I heard he is. He told me he's on DJD this week. So that should be interesting. Oh, boy. Oh, that'll be huge.

All right, spot on, spot off. Tire issues force leader Kyle Busch to slow on the front stretch and Ross Chastain plows into him. Chestain's spotter then says he never saw it because he was paying attention to Blaney, who was racing right next to Ross. T.J. I mean, I don't know whatever do you spot on or spot off. He's spotting. He's working.

You know, you look, when your car is side by side with somebody, you don't really take your eyes off them a lot. And most of the time, it's just a bad situation. You know, you kind of, you're catching a car really fast. You kind of expect him to stay in the middle, but he's trying to get out of the way. And the spotter, you can't, it's hard to look away from your car. I mean, you know that. Whenever you're racing with somebody, you're looking at your until you clear them.

And then you, as soon as you get close, you scan ahead a little bit? And that's a tough spot there as well. And that's just a freak thing that happened. So I don't really know if there's right or wrong on the spotter at that point. Spotting is more distracting now than it's ever been because we have more access to technology than we've ever had. And I'll flat out admit during the Xfinity Series race, there was a crash off a turn two. And we had had some damage.

We're trying to make minimum speed. We had cleared the car we were racing. wanted to and I literally looked down to see if we made the 34 second minimum speed and I'm like 33 something. I was like, we're good. I look up and I keep up to tell Daniel and he's driving by a car the spinning. And I'm like, holy cow. And it's that fast. I took my eye off the track to look at my phone for my lap time to when I look back up and I'm like, oh, I'm glad you saw that.

Holy cow, spin behind you. There's a caution out, right? So when you're spotting, you tend to or I tend to watch the car that I'm spotting for. and if they're in traffic, you're helping them maneuver that traffic, and then you're constantly scanning about 25% of the racetrack ahead. Because if something happens ahead, you need to be able to tell them. You're not so much worried about behind them what's going on behind them unless there's a big run coming. But as a spotter for Brandon & Reynolds to stand up for him,

it's extremely difficult to watch the car be in traffic and also have the peripheral vision to see trouble up ahead. And you often, I can't tell you how many times I spotted for Burton for three years. I can't tell you how many times I'd see him slow down and wonder why is he slowing down? And it would be because he saw something before I would see it because we're so focused on that car at that moment in time if they're covered inside or outside. I mean, I wrecked the hell out of Bubba at Vegas in an Xfinity race

for that reason. We went into one. Amarola put us middle of three wide and I'm spotting my, you know, I'm spotting just off that three wide trying to get clear and it was into one and then somebody spun off a two. And by the time we got clear, I scanned up and oh check up check up and it was just too late you know bubble locked the brakes up and and slid into them and it's just like you said like you you you can't look at two places at once you know

you're you're spotting off of a three wide situation and then all of a sudden when we go okay we're clear that three wide deal oh there's a car stopped in front of us you know so the thing that that I question about this whole deal is why if you're the 18 team do you stay out here um I didn't understand that you win the first stage all you've got to do now is run 15th for the next two stages and you're on the poll for the final stage. Like, why would you, we've seen the last three or four weeks, especially last week, tire issues when guys running 35 to 50 laps, you're asking your tires now to go 50 laps for, for what?

Like, I don't understand what the thought process was there. You know, you come in, put four tires on. I think, you know, you're going to drag at least five or six guys with you. So maybe you've got to beat one or two guys in the stage to stay in the top 15. But it just seemed unnecessary and it seemed like the risk versus reward wasn't there. for me why you would stay out and put 50 laps on your tires when you when you know you've got the pole in the final stage if you just run top 15 that's a good point I thought about that I listen to me I thought chastain's interview said it all he's like I just picked the wrong lane and and

and I don't you know I'm I'm the guy that um there's only one driver and and you guys love your responsibility I'm ignoring this letart he'll call him on um um you know, there's only one guy that goes infill care center. That's a guy driving a car. And I love that you guys take the responsibility for, hey, that's my car, that's my driver. But he has to make the ultimate decision. And when you got a car in front of you and you know he has a problem, you've seen he has a problem. And I think in Ross's mind, Kyle could not keep the car down.

He was thinking Kyle was coming up the racetrack. The safest thing for me to do is to go under-neutral. beneath him. He had to make a split second decision. It wouldn't have mattered what the spotter said. Ross had to make that decision about, okay, here's the assessment and do it. And he just chose wrong. And I thought he said, I thought his interview was, was just spot on. I just chose the wrong line. Yeah. What's funny is, uh, right after that round of pit stops, some guys stayed out. I think the five stayed out too. And that's a handful of them. So Tyler Monlox means like, why would you guys, Why would I even be pit?

And then the five blows the tires. A lot of them like, so don't talk about that? Funny thing at Texas, same type of deal. We're coming off turn two at Dell Jr. Clear. I look up into turn three where the next wreck could possibly happen. David Gilland and Juan Pablo get into it off of two wrecking each other. He starts screaming at me.

Were you not going to call that wreck? And I'm like, dude, you know, like 43 of the best drivers back then. I figured you guys could get down the straightaway without wrecking. only thing he literally kid him and goes good point and that's the last thing you say like he flipped out for a second to my disadvantage i spotted for michael waltrop early on in my career and he is really tough on a man's ego he will just tear you completely down but to my advantage one of the things he taught me is don't tell me something i already know i don't need reinforcement look ahead of me and help me get you know help me keep me going forward don't tell me something i already know i don't need to know that so

I was able to take between what he told me and Elliot told me, and hopefully it made me a better spotter. But who, Michael can be tough. Well, continuing on the all-star race drama, Austin Centric beat Ryan Blaney for the stage two win, and Blaney then bumps the two under caution and says, don't ever let him touch my fucking race car again. Spot on, spot off, Jeff.

I didn't understand what he was so mad at, to be honest. I mean, I didn't see, maybe I missed something. All I saw was a little bit of contact down the back straightaway. They looked like the side draft and had a little bit of contact and Austin got clear. And then something happened in one or two that didn't make television because Austin, they were like a couple cars apart getting into one and the camera pan back to something else. And then off of two, Blaney had no momentum and the 24 was going by him. So I don't know if Austin maybe took his nose, you know, to come across his nose or

threw a block or something in the middle of one and two. But he had no momentum off of two. Austin on the broadcast, Austin said, so I, for future reference, I won't understand what I did wrong or something to that extent. And they said something about air blocking. That's what I explained. Do you all remember the Daytona 500? Blaney was going to win the Daytona 500.

Also, Cendrick made a massive block and it put Blaney in the wall. That's probably still what's wrong. Oh, yeah. Well, and you have a unrealistic expectation from a teammate. Let's be clear. Like you, oh, my God, you're supposed to be taking care of me. I'm a teammate, but you don't take care of his ass, right? You have this unrealistic expectation when it comes to teammates.

That always stirs the pot. It sucks because it costs them to the 500. Yeah. It's funny that you say, I don't let this guy touch my fucking race car again right after you run in the back of him. Well, yeah. I mean, but that started like Brett said. They probably are boiling over from the 500. Oh, 100%.

Which sucks because they were two highest paying races. And he feels like he's getting screwed. They work really good together. and Ryan puts himself at a disadvantage at that point. You know what I mean? Like, okay, well, he thought he was building the advantage for himself. He didn't take into the account that this guy's going to run me to the fence for the win and I'm not going to win.

I mean, I think it would play out differently. Do you think there was a sense of seniority for Blaney feeling like he'd been there longer? So, hey, here's the other thing. Remember last year the Penske driver's all rectified. together at Daytona. We don't talk about that. Jeff. But there was a post.

I know it was his fault. We don't talk about that. It was a post conversation about, okay, how are we going to work with each other on the speedways? And then you go, you got two Penske cars battling for the 500. And one guy gets an open. So, you know, it's a great point. You got to go back and understand the whole story.

We should have been racing. The only thing I would change about it is I wish we raced to the line right there. So one of us won. You know what I mean? Like, we wrecked into turn three and handed the win to another guy. I told Bubba this year, we were running third to them or, you don't know, fourth, but we were in line, third behind them in line. And I said, just like, don't try to do anything here.

Just kind of push them because the history shows they take each other out. And they were very close to wrecking each other again and handing us the win. Like, if Austin moves one more foot to the right, Blaney's going to hook him in defense and we're going to win the day. Yeah, you're going to ask you something. The word teammate in our sport is so misinterpreted because you hear the word, teammate. I'm teammates. Your teammates with Clint Boyer, your teammates

with Mark Martin, they're not on your team. Your teammates are your crew guys. It's your pit crew. It's your crew chief. What do we do to fix that? Because they're not really your teammate. So owners

owners want the teammates to be teammates. Like, I'm going to look out for you, buddy, and he's going to look out for me, and we're all, but man, to be successful, you've got to be a selfish ass when you put the helmet on. And our best drivers get really selfish and care about themselves at those big moments. That's what defines, that's what makes the greats in every sport is that, you know, you play in your role in your team.

You know, they say there's no eye in team. Well, I say that's a bunch of. crap. If everybody does their role, that makes the best team, and that starts with self-identity. And if you're going to go make something happen, and that means you got to go make it happen against a teammate, well, then that's what you have to do, because that's what makes you successful. And owners don't like that, but I want my driver to be self-centered and selfish. And I don't want to be like that when he takes the helmet all, but with a helmet all, and I want him to be, you know, Joy Lagano is a great example. He is. He's the best one.

Him and Kyle Busch. Like, just out of the car, I'm going to do the right thing. I'm going to, I'm going to do what I need to do. I'm going to do, but when I put that helmet on, it's about me and my team. And that's what I like. I like to see that.

Brett got me in trouble a handful years ago with Elliot Satherer, because I called him, I said he got, he was super good at plate races because he knew how he was selfish when he needed to be and to put him up front and he won. I didn't mean like selfish. It's okay to be selfish. Outside the car, he's nothing like that at all. But like he knew what he needed to do inside that car.

You have to have a split personality. I wasn't really good at that. I wasn't as selfish as I needed to be in the race car. But you don't want to be that guy out of the race car because nobody's going to come to your funeral and say bye to you. But when you are in that race car, you, it's, you know, those people, you know, that got home last night at 4 in the morning and are at the shop today working on those race cars. they deserve and expect you to be that guy that's going to do what you need to do. And so, yeah, teammates are teammates, but I still think you have to be careful not to get sucked into being the great teammate all the time. Because if you're the great teammate all the time, that means, you know, Rubens Barakello was a great teammate at Schumacher.

Yeah, which one would you rather be? Shoemaker. Yeah. Last topic on all-star race, qualifying and head-to-head pit stop component. What do you guys think of that? Freddie, spot on, spot off. I mean, listen, this deal, I feel like it could have been done. This is essentially a picker competition for a million dollars in my opinion.

Honestly, a lot of fun when they did it as a separate event years ago. Yeah, but I mean, there's just, in my opinion, there's way too much in the line to turn qualifying into a pick crew competition. Now, I'm fine if you want to kind of reverse things. but essentially, in my opinion, 18 won the poll yesterday by his pick crew being the fastest, which we've seen throughout the year. They're the ones that are tweeting out about the fact that they've laid down a sub-9 second pit stop

or whatever it is. So they've probably been the fastest team. But I think if he doesn't get that flat last night, he's going to win the race because he's a very good car that's going to be on the poll at the last stage because of what his pick crew did in qualifying. You know, he wasn't, I don't even know where he was, third or fourth in speed qualifying.

But, you know, if, it puts certain teams at disadvantage. I mean, you look at the 45 in that group of eight, we're leasing a pick crew from, from JGR. So, so? I'm assuming that they're not going to give us. I'm assuming that they're not giving us the top. If there's six teams,

if there's six pick crews over there, they're not giving us the best four, I would assume. That's not a reason not to have pit stops. Well, your car owner has to give you down better pit stops. That's part of the game. I think that they should play a part in it.

I think it needs to be reversed. I think we had 20 cars. I think, think you line that up. You line it up in pit stall 40, not in pitstall 1, and you do a pit stop, the 10 or 20 cars. So you got 10 matchups. You do the pit stop in 40. They drag race to the start finish line. There's your picker competition. Now take those 10 guys and run a single lap qualifying and let the fastest guy be on the pole. At least have some speed to earn it. I don't, I don't think we had a pick crew competition in the race too that paid 100 grand and gave up fourth and gave you

the fourth spot for the for the final stage but so now you're giving you know just i didn't think that you needed to turn qualifying into a picker competition because that's all it was there had nothing to do with speed of the car you know you gave the poll or the top four or five spots to the guys that had the best pickers or the best pit stops you look at james small he tweeted out they had a you know equipment issue that stuff supplied by nascar so i mean i don't i don't understand you know it just didn't seem to me like you you turn qualifying into a picker competition for a race that's going to pay you a million dollars. Correct.

I'm spot off for the fact that when they said go, you drove all of about 20 feet. Like, I want to see a race car driver drive. And to say, I could have literally been in my soccer mom SUV that I had for the weekend. And when you said go, I could have got to that pit box just as fast as a cup car with a professional race car driver. No, you couldn't. No way in hell. Based on what I saw it, I watched it on TV and it looks like that could.

That's because you've never driven one of them. That's true. If you set your big ass in that thing, you wouldn't be able to do it. I'd have to have a big seat. You would not be able to. Brett talks out of his ass with you too because this is pretty much the show. I just wanted to look like the average human cannot do it. Would you raise?

Sprints mainly? And what I saw, I run a 4-540. What I saw was on television was anybody with a heartbeat that has a driver's license could do what those drivers were doing to start the qualifying process. with that. I disagree with the tube. I know it looks easy. You drop a clutch, you put it in gear and you go. How many times do you stall out of the pit stall struggle? It's hard when you think. Kyle Larson installed his car yesterday and you called him the best driver in the world. He calls so much crap for it because he knew he was an idiot for doing that. Yeah, but I'm saying it's not easy. I can

definitely know where it's not. If it was easy, I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have it's not easy. It's easy to pop a clutch. So is that all your spot off on for the same thing? I'm spot off on how it's got buried right here. I want to see, again, I want to see, again, I want to see impressive things out of impressive people. And these drivers are impressive people. They have a huge. The craft they're good at, obviously majority Americans can't do.

And it just looked like, okay, put my car in gear, pull up 20 feet and get my tires change. I don't want to see something dramatic. If we're going to do it, if you're going to drag race, let's freaking drag race. And I don't think anybody,

like I hate, I would have hated to be in, unfortunately, Eric, you know, like, nobody knew what the hell is going to happen that first pair. And the girl walks by with the signboard that says 10 seconds, and about three seconds later, the light comes on, and they're like,

and Eric's sitting there like, holy shit, what just happened? And he was done, you know, so I don't know if it wasn't explained well enough or it seemed like there was a, I don't know what the hell was going on there, but it was, the first pair was at a severe disadvantage. I felt like. I think that they needed to have the Christmas tree lights like they have at a drag race. Yeah. Not just flash green.

If you're going to have a drag race into the pit, why don't you just have the lights correct? and then I like the fact that the drivers could race back to the line. The problem is you just run wide open, right? And we'd never, it'd be a very unique situation where you're going to have that drag race back to the start, finish line. I like the fact that pit crews are involved. I disagree with you some, well, actually a lot about the pit crews because what we talked about at the start of the show is how you race today.

Pit position is track position is really important. And pit crews are a huge part of what success you have today. So I am actually okay in an all-star event to say, whoever has the fastest pit stop is going to be on the pole. I'm actually okay with that because you also have four segments to go ultimately win the all-star race. If your car was fast enough, if you couldn't get to the lead by the end of four segments, then you weren't going to win a race even if you had to start on the pole.

So I'm actually okay. And it's a car owner's job to put the best pit crew together. And that's part of racing. And it's such a big part of it. So in a special situation, I don't mind the pit crew's determining who would start on the pole. I think that we don't celebrate the people that work on these race cars enough. Now, we all know the people that are doing pit crews aren't the ones working on the race cars. But we need to find, for the most part.

But we need to find a way to celebrate those people that did get home at 4 in the morning that are making these race cars go. And I think that that's a step toward doing that. Yeah, I agree. I missed the qualifying where you went out, took the green flag, came around, hit pit road hot. You know, because that was always like, you were on the edge of your seat every time one of them guys is coming to pier road. Every freaking night as a kid and as a teenager and as a kid in college, I would make sure I attended All-Star qualifying and I would sit in their turn four and it was one of the most impressive things you would ever see as a race fan. And it's never been done in Texas. Like, show it to them.

To watch those guys come off the banking in 180, 190 miles an hour with no pit road speed and still get their car stopped. It is one of the most impressive things you'll ever see. And then that's superhuman. And then race off a pit road. I mean, you're watching. It's tense. I mean, that was very tense. You were watching them.

I mean, I watched it from the roof. I'm like, how I spotted a few of them, you know? And, dude, I'm telling you, waiting to see how that guy was getting down out that banking in turn four was exciting. So for me to go from what we just described, watching that All-Star qualifying to what I saw this year, yeah, I think I could do it. So you're wrong, but I appreciate you thinking that. When we used to qualify like that, I walked to pit road while I was driving, I walked to pit road, and Robert Yates is standing there with a radar gun on behind pit wall when I say a radar gun like remember in the 80s like when your mom would get caught in her station wagon with the dude standing by the car with that son of a

that looked like it you know he had one of those things like smoking the band of radar guns and I looked I looked at mr. Yates and I said you are going to get some ass some asses wrecked right here with that radar gun he's like what I said now everybody knows you got it we're going to have to be the fastest guy on pit road and it was I stood there and watched, I can't remember who the first driver was, and I'm telling you it was one of the most impressive things I've ever seen, to the point where I told my kids when they were little, I said, you guys need to come to watch this.

And I took them on top of that, what now I think is the Bank of America Suite or something, right there on the inside. I took them up there and put Harrison up on my shoulders. And that, whoa, I mean, they come flying by. It is absolutely insane. I think that, For sure, I agree that they, I'm good with the pick crew being part of it.

I just didn't like the fact that it felt like the other yesterday that it was, that was the sole thing was the pick crew competition. You know, like I think the pit stop like was great, you know, like make them part of it. Make it a two lap deal and in the total time. But it seemed like we just turned the last round of qualifying into a pick crew competition. And that just rubbed me the wrong way for what it was together was. Yeah, 100%. I think they should definitely be evolved.

I'm all about. I used to love the pick crew competition that was in Charlotte when they would, you know, They would do the pit stop, and then the guys would push the car down the road. I thought that was amazing. But, you know, I'm all for a picker competition. I just think that, you know, you were giving away too much for a picker competition. If I'm a fan and having lived in this sport, having worked in this sport, watch the sport. If I'm a fan, give me a one day All-Star race and have a 20-minute practice,

followed by one of those awesome qualifying formats where it's a hot pit stop with no speed limit. And then we go into the open and then we go into the All-Star race. So you give me that as a fan in about a six-hour window, and I'm in absolute heaven. come we don't introduce the crew guys. How come they don't get to walk out to? They used to. They walked out at intros, but they're not. We're talking about the road crew guys that do it.

Like, how come we don't do that with that? Those are the guys that don't get enough. They should be the ones walking out there with him. Yeah. Interesting comments on Twitter. Danny Hamlin told Jim France in March that until he and his partner see a change in NASCAR's business model all further major investments in 2311 on hold. And he said it's very hard to.

convince, Denny said it's very hard to convince dinosaurs they must eat differently. I want change if you're going to appeal to a new audience because our current audience is aging or has age, you've got to get with the times. Adam Stern just posted all this. I'm going to need to get my resume together, I guess, sounds like. I might be looking for a job. When they say major investments, though, like, are they referring to the sponsors? They're referring to the investments they make in like their pit crew performance?

I mean, what investments is you referring to? Well, he's building a giant shop right now or, Getting ready to. Facilities, people, resources. 13. Possibly. We are. What are you going to tell Danny?

What are you going to text them in a minute? We are in this moment in time where the owners are working really hard to find a way to make their businesses work better. And they're doing that with NASCAR. And we're in this moment of time where everybody's having, conversations that they've really never had before, and that's a good thing. But it also creates moments of tension. And again, we said it earlier. We all want the same thing. And so Denny's way of doing that is he gets out. You know, he gets out and talks about it publicly. And some people don't like that. And some people don't care. And some people like it. And it's just a different

style. But we, this is all about Denny being a car owner saying, hey, we need to run our businesses in a different way. And he's, he's feeding, he's feeding the race fans, you know, and, and I don't think he needs to convince anybody, though, that things need to be better. Like, I don't think that he needs to convince anybody. I think that, uh, I think NASCAR believes that, hey, if successful car owners are a great thing. Successal racetracks are a great thing. We won't race car drivers to make what NFL players make. I don't think Denny needs to convince anybody. The biggest thing is how do we get there? Yeah, there are many racers that were car owners that are still around. You know what I mean? And I say that back to the Bill Davises of the world, you know, the Robert Yates of the world. Like,

they didn't have this other business that afforded them the opportunity to go racing. I mean, they went racing with their own dollars. And Jeff, you know, as well as I do. If they went out of business, They sold everything from nickels on the dollar and lost their butts. But the franchising charter system helped create that value. And now we've just got to see the revenue model continue to change to help give these teams money. Well, Richard Childeris is an American badass. He is. He's the only guy.

You think about what he's done with that business, and that's the core of his business, Richard Childers has outlasted all of those people and has found a way to adjust. and Richard Childress is smart. Very smart businessman. Really smart. I agree. Hey, door bumper clear fans. This is Mike Davis with Dirty Mo Media,

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Rick Griffin is a clown. Just had to call and say somebody ever called any of ambulance. Well, I never thought that my fucking Kyle Larson would be on my bad side. His cars held together with duct tape and home.

Reaction Feter starts now. This is a big you to TMS. I went to go buy tickets for my family to go see the truck race and the Xfinity race. And I go on the ticket map. They say they're almost sold out.

And then I turn on the race on the TV. There's hardly anybody in the stands. And the complete right and left sections of the stands are closed off. And then last year I went to the All Star Race. I go re-buy those tickets this year. And they're almost triple in price. And for what? For shit-ass racing?

I think this kind of understands staffing issues, Reno, right now. I don't think is a facility. You know, Texas Motor Speedway would probably see to 85, 90,000 people. I don't think they can open that up for a Friday, Saturday night race. I think they do have to limit what sections are open. Just from a staffing perspective, you've got to have enough police to park cars. You've got to have enough people to sell hot dogs. Like, walk into your local Hooters restaurant and you'll see half the table is open,

but they won't see you for 20 minutes. I think he's a little skewed on his comments. Well, I'm with Tony Stewart after that one. You see, they need to start doing this all-star race and figure eights. Figure eight, remember that Tall Dagger? Is that you? We said, woo-oo, we're going to do a figure-eight. We're not wrecking us cars.

Texas is a snooze fest. Brother Blaney almost lost the race because of a window net. A window net. Come on, NASCAR. Ricky Stenhouse was, I mean, his rear rear mirror needed Zoom to see Ricky Stenhouse. Zoom. I think he's had any beer? I think he's out of a race.

He's out of here. Yeah. I hope he listens to the whole show or watches it. Are you fucking kidding me? Ricky hits the wall. No one around him. Blaney's 10 yards from the start finish line. And they throw the fucking caution.

It's stupid. They were waving the checker flag. Like the checker flag was waving and then they pulled it back. I was like, oh my God. Hey, that crunch of that flagman though for getting that dunk. That was quick. That was fast. That was on cue, man.

Did NASCAR really just throw 20 years of safety improvements that they've prided themselves on out the window net literally from the all-star race? Are you serious? Ryan Blaney should have never been allowed to restart that race without the window net fastened properly. But this never would have happened if they wouldn't have thrown that BS caution at the end of the race. I'm with Jeff. At least they admitted it. At least they admitted they screwed out. Yeah, you own it.

I mean, yeah, I mean, they admitted the yellow was screw up. But, I mean, they didn't admit to Blaney thing. They should have still known better than the fact that he could not have gotten that internet. They knew that one in that whatnot. Yeah, for sure. NASCAR should be ashamed of themselves for the way they just acted. I don't know who the race director is on All-Star Weekend, but Ryan Blaney is fully justified to walk up and punch him in the face.

Now, if he won't do it, I'll do it. And here's the thing. I'm not a Ford fan. I'm not a Penske fan. I'm not a Blaney fan. I'm a race fan. And that boy had to win 3.5 seconds, 100 feet to the line.

And oh no, wreck his spin house, tagged the wall. That's disgusting NASCAR. I think one of the biggest problems of that call is that guy saying, I don't know who the race director is. Because everybody knew who David Hoots was back in the day.

You know, that goes back to the point of one guy doing the job. I say, by the flag man, like a flag lady. I love having one person in that role, give them some notoriety, give them some credibility.

Like, I'm right. So question, does you guys see, you weren't there, but I swear I heard, you know, turn two on the,

then put it out. Did you hear that? So turn two, the turn two spotter is going to call in turn two. Yes, did you hear that though? I heard turn two. And then right after turn two,

you heard, put it out. I wasn't right after, but I mean, it wasn't like immediate. It was pretty quick, but it was quick. When I looked over there, Stenhouse is only

they had, they had time to talk about it on a different channel also. Move over 2008 brickyard 400 the new worst race of all time in NASCAR history the 22 All-Star race at Texas

No that brickyard race is still the worst race Ever was that the tire? Yeah that was Great till we blew the tire leading Once he blew a tire we were all screwed We were playing favorites for you Dude I'm sitting there telling him slow down You can't run more than 10 laps So every 10 laps we're going to have a caution

Slow down I blew I have one blow And he's Mr. Conservative here Taking these on his office He's just out there riding around. Hey, if that thing went agreeing, he had that shit won. What did I just watch? Oh, yeah, the answer is soccer,

because there is still 15 minutes left of their broadcasting, and Fox cuts to soccer after hurrying Blaney's interview. They did. Thank God NASCAR got the call right, or got lucky that Blaney still won the race after bushering that call. He's right. I mean, I literally, I walked in the door.

Ryan Blaney's winning and they go to soccer and I'm like, wow. But that guy would be the same guy that would complain that they would be watching the last five minutes of the soccer game when our race was supposed to start. That's the problem. That's the problem. I get it. But I want Denny's interview on television.

I hear you. But I get it. I get it. Again, the baseball game runs long. You guys got to be prepared not to watch the first 30 laughs at a race. Can't have it both ways. That's true. Didn't have to be a NASCAR fan to tell that all-star race was boring as hell.

T.J's got tears rolling down his face because a bunch of race cars got destroyed in the race. That race was so boring. By stage two, I was all right to snoring. This in here, come on, listen here. It's now. Time for door bumper clear. Jason, you must not have much to pick from this week. Well, there was about 90,000 calls, and it was midnight. And everybody was, everybody was, 90% of the people are saying on Jeff Gluck's poll

that that was a bad race. So I knew we were in for it this week. That was at midnight. I still hadn't taken off yet. He couldn't find better ones than that. That's weak. What is your title, Jason? They all said the same exact thing.

I was going to say they all probably said the same thing. What's your title? TJ, you're going to do the reaction theater calls. director of content. I'll be too drunk and injure. I'm going to need you to do it. Director of content. He has like some other.

He gave himself a race, by the way. Yeah, it was like president of director of content or something. Oh, you just tell people you're important. They might believe it. Yeah.

He tried that and then we caught on to it. To leave an audio message 24-7, go to anchor. dot fm slash doorbubber clear and click the message icon. We'll keep playing the best ones each week on the show

or maybe the ones that Jason can get to. Offer pad, question of the week. Let's move on to the offer pad question of the week. If you could design the ultimate pool in your home's backyard, what would it look like? Jeff, I want to know what you do because you've seen some nice pools. Mine would look like Brits. Vinyl. Mine's green with grass.

Miami Grand Prix vinyl. How about that? That was awesome. Jeff, pool. Have you seen Boyer's pool? at his new house. It's one of my goals not to. He's probably got

he's got the zero gravity entryway. Then he's got this beautiful rock build that the kids can jump off of, you know, so it's almost like a high dive. Obviously there's fountains all around it, but the coolest thing, and this is typical Clint, if you go stage left once you're in the pool, it is a swim up big bar

and you can get anything and everything you want without getting out of the pool. His pool's probably a nice pool I've been to. No grotto? No. No. So I don't like rocks.

I don't like mountain, the fake rock mountain thing with the waterfall. I like, uh, I like a, I like a square rectangle pool with a badass hot tub, a place where you can sit, like a ledge where you can sit where you like shoulder in, you know, into the water where you can sit comfortably. Yep. and if I got that, I'm pretty good. It sounds exactly like the YMCA. I mean, except for the older people swimming for health. Is the hot tub level or is it jacked up a little bit? Hot tubs level.

You want it level. Well, it depends on the house. If you got a great view out of the back of the house, you want it level. If you don't have a great view, you want elevated to make that the focal point. So if anybody needs a pool, Jeff is your guy. I got a couple cool pools. and yeah, I like pools. Do you like the pool where it looks like it's...

I like to look at them more than actually use them, though, to be honest. It's the affinity or infinity pools. What do they call them? Infinity. Infinity pools. So do you, have you done the infinity pool thing? Yeah.

Do you like that? So you do that when you got a, like, so you do that when you got a cool view. Like a lake or something like that and you don't want the extra height of the pool, you knock that down and then it opens up your view. Yeah. What do you got out back? Woods? No, yeah, I got some trees back there.

I mean, look, I'm not. I'm softening up to this pool idea. Everybody wants me to get a freaking pool. Oh, so look, here's the thing about the pool. It pulls you outside. Even if you're not going to be in the pool, it gets you out there and it gets you in the water. That's why you got to have the right waterfall feature

because it makes that noise and it makes you annoying-ass neighbors. It makes them go away a little bit because it makes a little noise. And it makes kind of like, it's like, hey, we're a party house. Like that turns it into weird, we're a cool party house out. The only reason I'm really thinking about doing it is because I've got kids and I think it'll keep them home more.

Like instead of going to their friends pool, then they got to come to my pool. You keep telling yourself that. Yeah, wait a minute. What's going to happen is is Dog Treat Dave is going to be there all the time and your neighbors are probably going to see. Well, I got a dog treat Dave's house because he's got a pool. Yeah, but I mean, who's directly next door? Nobody's next door. I don't like any of my neighbors next door.

They are not going to. Do you know, you ever look in a mirror without a shirt on? That's what they're going to see. Oh, so they're out. They're going to be, like he said. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, look at me, if you, the more you go out there in short shorts and no shirt,

you're going to get more privacy at your house. Where was your best pool at? Was it at your lake house or is in Concord now? Where is your best pool? The pool in Huntersville right now is, is, yeah, my current house is my best pool. Oh, I didn't know you left Concord. Well, that's actually. That's Hunter'sville.

That's actually interesting. I still the same place. Yeah. Beautiful property. Pretty? Pool? Uh, yeah, I'm just going to go to Brits. No.

So the two of you will really keep his kids home. Yeah, yeah, they'll always hang out us. Oh, because teenagers love when dad's parents come over. That's the coolest thing ever to hang out with dad's friends. They can't get enough of us. Listen, I'm going to give you some advice. How old are your kids? No, I don't got no kids.

How are you kids? 15, 13, and 9. So I got a 21-year-old or 25-year-old. they want to go somewhere else other than where mom and dad are. Yeah. I would just say everything we do on vacation,

I look for a damn pool bar, so I would just have a pool that is doesn't need to be that big as long as I could sit at the bar and have somebody bring me drinks, that'd be great. We go to Walmart get you one of them little pools.

And then you set up a little teetkin. That is what I'm about to do after this show is go get a little kitty pool. Yeah, I mean, Dollar General has them for like a dollar. Like literally like a dollar. I mean, my old house had a pool. I don't think you ever saw it. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. Well, it was not too big, not too small. I think it got to like four or five foot deep. But it was a nice little area. Then I moved. The neighborhood has a pool. That's what I have a hard time making myself spend money. When the neighborhood has a pool with a water slide and all the things.

You don't like your neighbors. Why would you want to go there? Bingo. I don't, I don't see my neighbors there. Yeah, but do you think they want to see you there? Yeah. Through that. They love me.

Okay. Go get a cash out. offer on your home today with our presenting sponsor offerpad.com. It's time for us to get into our favorite X-Fi more than fast moments from the week. Whether you're behind the wheel or online, speed isn't the only thing you need. So what were your favorite more than fast moments from the All-Star race or truck for Xfinity races? Brett. I got to go with Justin Al-Gyre.

You know, X-Finity X-5, more than fast moment. I mean, he came from a blown tire. to come back and have a really solid finish and he had the fastest car all day. We saw it in practice. JRM was flying. Honestly, at one point I thought, well, they're going to finish first, second, third,

and fourth. They were so fast. So Mike's more than Exfinity X5, more fast moment. They might have if they, if Josh didn't spin his white. Don't have a talent there on that restart. I agree with you.

My XFinity X5 more than fast moment has to go, I think, to the 18 pick crew. We just talked about it on here. They put their driver in position to win a million dollars last night. unfortunately they got a flat tire and didn't complete it, but the pit stop that they laid down to qualifying is what put them in position to win the million dollars.

My X-Finity X-5, more than fast moment, is going to be, you know, it's really hard to not pick Blaney because he was really fast, but I'm going to go to Tyler Redick. He was the show in the open, and he passed a lot of cars really fast, and I believe that if he was in the All-Star race there, I saw how good Suarez run,

and I think Tyler was going to, to be better than that. I think Tyler could have been a factor in that race. So once again, Tyler put on a show was really fast, fun to watch. That's why he gets my experience. He's so fast and he's so good, Jeff. It's going to be a shame if his guy to make this playoff. He's getting better and better. He's going to have to win. He's a future superstar. He is a future superstar. And he just is. I have so much respect for him. Listen, I'm going Austin Cendrick. You know, Austin Cendrick, a rookie battling with a chance to win the All-Star Race. that's not normal.

Like, you don't do that. And Austin Cendrick has had some serious step-up moments this year, obviously winning Daytona 500, but Austin Cendrick on a night where the very best find a way to step up and make themselves even better, he hung right up in there with them and had a real chance to win that race. All great moments.

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Yes, thank you to Xfinity. Proud premier partner of NASCAR. What an idiot, man. All right, time for what an idiot. This is basically, well, it was started by Brett, if you're not surprised. It's your come on, man. You get to call out whoever you want. I don't want to go first.

I didn't know this is going to go. No, it's okay. We're going to have Brett go first and tell you how it's done. So my what an idiot this week is every single spotter on the spotter stand that left the roof when the race wasn't over. TJ, were you one of them? And of course you weren't. But there were spotters who thought the race was a. over just like Ryan Blaney and they're all a bunch of idiots.

I was stopping Ryan Blaney's guy from getting out of the roof. Ready. Oh, boy. So my one idiot, I said earlier, Ryan Blaney was, I think, the idiot of the week for dropping his window net before the race was actually over. But I think I felt like that was low-hanging fruit for everybody else. And there was a guy that I feel like I've been picking on this guy a little bit and

I'm going to have to do it again. Jesse Owoji What did he do? He was, I don't know, 10 seconds behind a crash on Saturday and just piled into it. Like the wreck was in front of him.

Like you should be able to just check up. There's nobody behind him. And somehow he finds a way to get in this wreck. And I just go back to, you know, I don't understand what he has done to be approved for these races. You know, the truck race the week before,

he's getting black flag for minimum speed as early as I can remember. remember in a truck race, you know, he's, he's kind of circumventing a rule that we've had for a while. You know, all the respect in the world for him for his military service. And I can't harp on that enough that we have nothing but respect for anybody that sacrifices anything for our freedom. But, you know, this is the second or third time this year where he's misqualifying for a, for a military event or whatever to get his car in the race. Because frankly, if he was driving it, it's not going to get in the race. And it qualified 15th.

Yeah. And then had to go to the back. And then he rode around last all day long. You know, I just don't, you can't pile into a wreck like that, especially, I mean, he's the team owner, him and Emmett Smith or however that deal works. You're tearing up equipment because you're piling into a wreck. There was a wreck early in the race. We had to start at the back of the field.

So we were back there. I was doing Landon. And there was a spin or something early in the race. And he was, you know, 10, 15 car links behind us. And I just, you know, the spin's happening. side just told Landon check up check up you know there's you know just slow down and as i'm saying that i look from behind and here he comes and he's still wide open and i know his spotters telling him that there's a wreck we're all slowing down and he i had to tell land and watch your mirror get out of this guy's way

because he was going to if we didn't move he was going to run right through the back of us and that you know you cannot have that it's just situational awareness we go back to here on the time and and listen if you if you've got to go somewhere and show some kind of improvement before i think you should be on the racetrack in our second highest series. I have, I don't like to give a lot of what idiots out. I don't like to bash people. Well, he doesn't like, he's scared. So this week, to make up for it, I have two.

My first one is going to go to the 22 truck. And is that awesome way himself? Absolutely. And you have a penalty. And I don't know if he was mad at the 23 truck, but he decided to stay up there instead of dropping to the back with your penalty or whatever it was. he stays up next to the 23 at the choose cone we're choosing with him in line but not only he's not in line

he was squarely beside the 23 truck runs over the commitment the choose box forces a 23 to the outside so i'm counting trucks on the bottom he the 23 goes to the outside of the box and then turns to the bottom now i am back a row further because of where this guy forced another guy outside the box that can't happen like that and he should there's there's no penalty for it because he's already going to the back for a penalty there needs to be something in place for guys that screw up the choose purposely because you're mad he put me back a row further that I needed to be or wanted to be because I would have chose the other row and now I've got guys changing lanes after the choose deal all because of a guy

messing this up on purpose and there's no repercussions for it so and he's continuously done things like this so that's my number one what it did he it my number one my number too what it is going to go to the 62 truck which was this week Todd Bodine right? Yeah. Where we're going to run a respectable Haley comes on the show. We tell her she's going to have good luck

and she runs a fine race. Running right outside the top 10 all day. In it sometime like right around there racing with good, you know, better drivers and stuff and we are passing Todd on the outside and three and four coming to the white flag. We take the white, we get on the one and he barrels it off that in there and doesn't even

care that she's up there, carries us most of the fence off a turn two and rips the nose, the right side, and the rear off the truck for a 13th or 14th on the last lap. And then instead of getting a, instead of getting that finish,

we drop back four or five more spots, and now we're back closer to 20th again when, you know, and now not only do these guys have to go back and that truck didn't have a scratch on it, just the right rear when she got it in qualifying, but laid down a hell of a lap and qualifying and ran a great race.

And now these guys are finally, able to go back and work on a truck until this guy for 13th comes in there. Did she call him a cue ball head of fool? No, I was that. That was running through my brain at that time. But just why? Like, why? You said, Del Jr. always says what he thinks, Burton.

You were right. Why are we wrecking a truck like that? Yeah, that makes sense. Come on, man. So what an idiot. All right, Jeff. Now you know the deal here. So I'm with TJ.

I don't like calling people idiots. And I have to cover these people every week. So. Fair. disagree and call them out, but I'm not going to call them idiot. But I, but we all know, we all know that the one of the best races of the weekend is to the airport. Right? Absolutely.

Like when the race is over, get your ass to the airport. You are not going to be the last one on the airplane. I fly with the JTG team. So I am not going to be the last guy at the airport and these guys are going to get home at three in the morning and have to go to work in a morning. They're not waiting on me. That's not going to happen. So I'm the idiot because I go to the hotel to watch the race.

And I have pulled up, I've planned, I've got an escape route to get to the airport, right? Know what I'm going to do. I get in the car. I hit my navigational thing. And I completely zoned out and didn't even think and just follow that thing. And I drove it straight to the racetrack. Oh. I drove my dumb ass straight.

into every bit of traffic. And it didn't dawn on me to like 10 seconds before I got there. I went, oh, no. And there was nothing, no out. And so I'm literally sitting in front of the racetrack. I had to bang a right to go on 35, had to go up and do a U-turn and drove straight into all the traffic leaving the racetrack and sat there for 45 minutes.

So I'm the damn idiot. Now I was not the last one to say. I was not the last one in the airplane. but it was close. A lot of times, very close. A lot of times the last guy in the plane gets the old slow clap, you know, the rest. I passed yesterday leaving the track right about lunchtime. You must have been going to get long or going.

I don't know where you were going. You were driving right out of the tunnel. Oh, yeah. I'd gone into a meeting. I had a meeting that morning. Then I was leaving and going to eat lunch. Yeah. Yeah.

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So download the free Anchor app or go to anchor.fm to get started. That's A-N-C-H-O-R dot FM to get started. All right. Well, I am going to previs the DBC picks by saying I am definitely the jinx because you all agreed that I had a great pick. week with Larson and look what happened. Casey, you ain't had a top 20 in six weeks. I'm not going to lie. And I pick great people. I mean, top 20. That's hard to do. I don't understand. So Jason, you won DBC picks for the All-Star Race with Denny Hamlin. Thank you, Denny.

Brett and Jason are tied for the lead with four wins. Freddie has three. T.J. has two. And then I have won, but honestly, like, you're trying hard. I really am. I have a whole, I have a spreadsheet guys that I work with somebody on. I'm trying. I think you want to work with somebody else. I don't know who your coach is here, but they suck. Sorry, Mapes. Anyways, I get to go first, and I'm really afraid to pick this person because he's racing for Chad this week, and I don't want to jinx him in the midget race or the micro race. But I'm going to go with Larson again for the cup race. For the official pick. I had Kyle Busch who was probably going to win, because we didn't see any passes for the lead yesterday. But obviously that tire,

screwed him up. Do I pick second, Jason? You do. Wow, it's hard to finish that bad in the All-Star race, but I managed to do it. I am picking, man, I'm almost out of guys already. I've gone too big. I hate to pick a Ford. Because Ford's been, they've been off at these mile and a half.

Yeah, but you look terrible last night. Well, but, you know, Charlotte's going to be different. I think that I'm going to go with William Byron. That's exactly who I was going to pick. No, you're not anymore. All right. Well, man, that changes things. Okay, so I guess I will just swing for the fence right here, and I'm going to go with Kyle Larson.

I don't think you can both. I don't think you can both pick Kyle Larson. Sorry, my bad. I'd out here. You picked Kyle? I wasn't listening. Literally. I'll just take Byron then.

Yeah, I'll take Byron too. Damn, I want a Byron. You know, I'll take Roe. Awesome. Not a bad pick. Ready. I will take Eric Amarola.

Jason. Chris Busher. All right. If Eric Amarola wins, this will be the biggest surprise ever. Jeff Coke 600, who you got? Why did you take Amarola?

That's what I was going on. We can only use guys once all year long, so I'm kind of... He still doesn't know why you took it. Well, Stuart Haher struggled so bad yesterday. I know. It's just, it's kind of a layup pick just because,

They've got Larson already off the board and chastain. So that's kind of a layup on my part. Whoever, basically whoever finishes the best. Somebody that's, uh, you have more, you're more likely to have a stronger driver finish up front. So he wants to pick somebody just in case. You run a lot of Coke 600. So no one took, uh, no one took Redick.

I couldn't pick it. I had already used them. I got you. I would have. Where does the Coke 600 rank in your, uh, in your book of races as far as fun to run? Like knowing how, what, what's you're in for when you start that one? I love the 600. I won it twice and and I liked it because it like what I talked about earlier like that that was in my wheelhouse and and yeah I love the 600 I think I mean God we only need one 600 lap race we need a lot of 300s but but I think it's cool I think it's you know a marathon event is you know it's one of our must wins and and yeah I mean to me it was I loved it and I will say man like like when those long races I broke it down like I'd get to I get to halfway and I'd say okay I got one more expenditure.

race to run. That was my deal. I got two expedited races. That's how I thought about it. That's the truth. I got two expedited races to run here tonight. And I'm going to do the first one and I'm going to do the second one. So I got a question for you.

Prestige-wise, how do you rank the races now? So I, listen, Southern 500 wins every time for me. The Southern 500 is, I'm sorry. I know it's unpopular. To me, it's bigger than the Daytona 500. I know that's stupid to say. but, you know, Darlington was there before the Daytona International Speedway. It's got more history than Daytona.

How many fluke winners have we had in the Southern 500? It's a pretty low number. The Southern 500, number one, Daytona 500, number two. It's really a tie, but I like to be controversial and put something in front of Daytona. The Coke 600 is certainly on that list. And this is the third, the fourth one is the one where it, gets tough, right? Everybody always put indie in there. I didn't put Indian in there because to me that indie was, we're guest. When we go to

Indianapolis motor speed, we're a guest of that racetrack. We weren't to show. Yeah, like that's, we don't belong. We belong there, but we don't belong like the Indianapolis 500. And so I'd never put that in my, in mind. I always thought, um, I always thought the night race at Bristol was, was one that deserved to be. It's always, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. interesting. Good. Well, listen, I'm glad you came.

We could have made this a four-hour show. And I love how we all, like, research. We all took notes leading into the show, but then Brett would not let us talk about. You can ask questions right now. The show's still going on. Well, Jason... You took notes?

No, we can't with Jason. Well, if you want to know Jeff Burton's backstory, he's a co-host on a different podcast, the Burton continuum, so you can go binge that season from over the winter. Yes. That was a great podcast. That was fun. That was good.

Yeah. I could see you cringing. and probably some of the things they were like, oh, gosh, is this going to be on here? No, that's all right. Yeah. Listen, I think it's good for fans to see behind the scenes. I think it's good for fans to realize that this isn't easy. Like, no, you know, when you, it's easy to look at, I mean, anybody.

See, look at Kevin Harvick and say, oh, my God, he's got this great life. Everything's great for him. Ah. If you start to understand what it takes, you know, on top of all that, the everyday life stuff, they're just humans. They have all the issues that everybody else has and they're trying to do this

extremely extraordinary thing. I think it's good to show how hard it is. Yeah. I love it. Well, you know, one thing we didn't talk about and this kind of pertains to your team. Was Trent at the race show? I guess you did.

Was he suspended? He suspended. So I didn't understand last week we saw the 11 team lose their appeal and... What's only... I don't understand. Or something.

Well, yeah. Why? Why was Gabehart not suspended this week? Well, they made it point races. Yeah. So this is the problem when you appeal something, they can change it. Yeah. And so they, they, they said, okay, yes, it's four races, but it's four point races.

Yeah. Like, I didn't understand why, like, I think, I guess it's just not up to them. Like, if you're, when you want to be out this week, you know what I mean? Like, if you're Gabe Hart, like, if you had to choose, wouldn't you prefer to be? I know, I'm just saying, I just understand why this race counted for you and not for the LATO hand down. NASCAR did not hand out. If they were going to change something, they probably should have just changes where they

suspend the guy that was actually changing the tire that fell off. But I guess they didn't want to do that. Yeah, once it goes to appeals, it's out of NASCAR's hands. Yeah. That board can lessen, increase, do whatever they want. I just found it interesting that the All-Star race counted for the 31 team but did not count for the 11. That needs to get fixed. Yeah.

Yeah, that and I have a feeling that will be a rule change in the office. Why we're talking about getting fixed? You and I had a conversation about this at Richmond. Loose wheels. We had two yesterday? I had two myself, one on track and one leaving the box. Yeah. So what are we going to do?

Your comment to me was every other form of motorsports in the world that has a single lug doesn't have these problems. So how do we not have these problems with these wheels coming off? Time. I mean, it's 90% of them are human error. Even the one,

even the one of the 43 car couldn't get the wheel off. That was human error. It's harder to do than what we thought it was. And all other sports, the tire changers sitting there waiting for the car to stop. Our guy is running around the car, and I certainly don't want to sit in there waiting for the car to stop.

But it's a skill, and it's easy to look at the hardware. Maybe the hardware can be made better. I'm not saying it can't, but they don't fall off in practice. You've got to get them tight. Somebody, a lot of people, like, I think you talked about this last week.

You know, people's like, well, it never happens in any car in Formula One. Yeah, we probably do, I don't know, 150, 200 more pit stops than they do. you know, they got half the field and pit half as many times as we got. You know, if they did it on the same level, I feel like you'd see more issues with them too. Yeah, and also, like I said, they don't have the motion of running around the car. And they also don't have their jack situation is completely different. It's just a, it's more difficult to do it the way we do it.

So Freddie just said they lease their pit crew essentially from JGR. It's JGR personnel. They're on JGR payroll. if Denny you know hires these guys if Kurt Bush loses a will this week you think his crew chief should be gone

Yes Why Because Because someone has to be held responsible And the crew chief is responsible For his car And if you make the crew chief Where he's not responsible

For his car Then who is responsible You go down the line And then they put themselves In a position You know The argument is Should the tire change

Would be suspended? Well some people say, well, you should suspend the best tire changer, then you have an opportunity to have more loose wheels. If you don't make people do the right thing they want. And when you have the opportunity for a wheel bouncing down the racetrack, remember at Charlotte Motor Speedway, over 20 years ago in IndyCar race there,

Will got into grandstands and killed some people. Yes, late 90s. It has to be, it has to be, it has to be an extremely strict, upheld penalty. It sucks for Chris Gavehart because Chris Gavehart had absolutely nothing to do with the pit group.

He doesn't hire him. He doesn't. That's all done by another department of Joe Gibbs racing. But you have to make the penalty hurt. And the only way to make the penalty hurt is to suspend people that have a direct impact with the car. I hate it for Chris Gavehart.

He had nothing. He literally had nothing to do with it. But if you don't make it strict and difficult, then they are never going to do the right thing. It's four races too many. No. A wheel going down pit road, a wheel going across the racetrack has to be dealt with in the strictest terms. It has to be. They got to get them tight.

There's been a couple of these times where the jack man's not even looking to see if the left front's done. He's not even looking. He's just dropping a jack. But you can't let the Jackman do that. Do we need these guys to have to wait on fuel to slow it down so that we don't keep? Because this is happening almost every week. It is every week. So how do you, so, so I think over time this problem will go away.

To me, how do you fix it short term? And the only way to fix it short term in my opinion is how do you make a rule that you have to, how do you make a rule that you have to fill it with fuel? how do you enforce such a rule? How do you, like that you make a rule, God, we have enough rules. The problem is you have to enforce them.

And so I just, look, listen, when I did something wrong at home, I knew my dad was going to get my ass. So I tried not to get caught. You still did it. The pit crews, I know it's difficult,

but when I talk to them, when I fly home with people, when I'm sitting at the airport, when I'm at the racetrack and I can talk to them, they will tell me, look, the parts and pieces could be a little better for sure. But at the end of the day, if I do it right, it's right. If I do it wrong, it's wrong. So when they tell me that, then that is their job.

They need to find a better way to do it. Yeah. Awesome. Well, we appreciate you coming on, man. It's fun, man. Enjoy it. When's NBC pick it up? Nashville.

Awesome. Yeah, Nashville, late June. So we're ready to roll. It's going to be fun. I can't wait to get back in a booth. We have so much damn fun. It's so much fun to work with all those guys. Steve and Junior and Rick and everybody.

It's just a fun group. I mean, y'all knows. We all see us at dinner, and we don't take ourselves too seriously. We have just a great time talking about something we love, and we all watch races anyway. We might as well be talking about. You vacation with each other? Everything. Yeah, we do vacation with each other.

And you're so competitive. You want to be better than Fox. Yeah, and they want to be better than us. Yeah. And thank God. That's good. I mean, hell, hell, yeah. Thank God that we want to be like that.

And I think it's healthy for the race fan. Yeah, cool. Well, thanks for coming in. Enjoy it. Come back again sometime. Anytime. Let me know. All right. Thanks.

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