Door Bumper Clear - 262 - Denny Hamlin & Indianapolis: Going the Wrong Way

Episode Date: August 2, 2022

Door Bumper Clear is back from a weekend at Indianapolis Motor Speedway. Brett Griffin, Freddie Kraft and T.J. Majors bring on a long-awaited special guest and Freddie’s boss, Denny Hamlin. The guys react to the chaotic NASCAR Cup Series race, discuss Hamlin’s team being transparent about their Pocono disqualification, and hear stories from racing late models with T.J.To begin Spot On, Spot Off, the table talks about Ross Chastain being penalized for using the turn one access road to take the lead from Tyler Reddick on the final restart. Hamlin admits whether or not he would have done the same move and debates with the spotters if NASCAR made the rules clear enough.Next, several drivers aggressively overdrove Turn 1 throughout the race on restarts causing numerous spin-outs. Brett explains why drivers were making aggressive moves and which ones were the main culprits. Hamlin chimes in about the level of respect being shown by all drivers on the track right now.Richard Childress compared how Kevin Harvick left the team versus how Tyler Reddick plans to depart after their victory on Sunday. Hear from Hamlin himself how the process of courting and signing Reddick went, and his thoughts on how RCR has reacted.Kyle Busch says he would take less money or a shorter contract to stay with Joe Gibbs Racing. The gang discusses what that means for Busch’s future and the current driver contract and salary climate. Hear why Cup Series drivers make less money today, what factors have contributed to that, and what needs to change moving forward.Hamlin has been vocal about race teams earning a more fair split of the next television contract. The guys react to NASCAR president Steve Phelps’ comments about media rights negotiations and Hamlin discusses his meeting with Marcus Smith and Justin Marks. Learn why teams need a larger portion of the rights money and how it can benefit the sport overall.Finally, they debate whether the Michigan race could put on a better show having a similar aero package to Atlanta. Hamlin talks about why he thinks the cars are still going too fast for that style of racing to work and predicts how much longer Atlanta can race like a superspeedway.In Reaction Theatre, fans coin John Hunter Nemechek a new nickname, react to Ross Chastain cutting through the access road, and perform a song for Denny.In Ask DBC, the guys discuss which Indianapolis layout NASCAR should run moving forward and who Hamlin would choose as his spotter among the three guys.Later, hear which drivers Hamlin gives his ‘What an Idiot’ award to and he answers whether or not Chastain can expect more payback.Thank you to our presenting sponsor Offerpad and partners Xfinity and RacingUSA.com for making this show possible. Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

up everybody this is door bumper clear presented by offer pad i'm brett griffin we're back from the indianapolis road course with a very special guest good friend of mine denny hamlin is in the house we'll talk ross chastain taking a short cut drivers die bombing each other into turn one Kyle bush is finally willing to take a little less money and the next tv rights deal guess what there's a lot more let's go the best in the booth stumbling the monday they tell you the truth giving the finions and breaking the rules good call to the holler to bring it to you you pretty freddie you fat tj you suck so bad. Jason's pace and got to play in this racing. If someone don't crash and he's gonna go mad. Looking for Freddy, he's killing the bottle. Casey is making messers like a taut.

The tweet something stupid then don't even bother. Brett's gonna block you like TJ is his spot. I see them online though FF in the chat. Tell Rick where to stay off the track. All of the podcast are living in fear. This isn't the download. It's door bumper clear. Nah, don't get it twisted, baby. This isn't the download. Nah. This is door. Bumper. Clear, clear, clear. There you go. I like it. everybody. I'm T.J. Majors. Spatter, the 68 Xfinity car, the six-cup car, and a full house. Real full. Brett Griffin's spotter for a colleague racing, fresh off of Indianapolis Motor Speedway

Roadcourse, where turn one was a B. Freddie. What's up? Pretty Crattspotter for Bubba Wallace. I had Derek Krauss landed Castle this week. Hey, Casey. Oh, hey, Casey Boat here, marketing, professional babysitting director. And of course, your Indianapolis road course winner, Tyler Reddick or Jason Schultz here. Tall Tyler.

Yeah. I think you had a sprint car win too. Yeah, I won everything these days. Welcome to episode number 10,000 of DBC. 10,000 was a special episode for us 10,000. We have, in my opinion, is the greatest guest we've ever had on the show.

Mr. Denny Hamlin. What's a? What's up, guys? Hey, all do it. It's your new contractor. Yeah. I haven't seen it yet. I'm hoping he brought.

probably with him, but I have not seen it yet. Turn it over on the back. You'll see it. It's funny. This is not good. Deal or no deal? There's no deal. I've chain of mind about that greatest comment.

So, Freddy's got lipstick in his pocket in case you need it there. Might need it. I don't think we've ever had a guest that stays in the middle of more than you did. You always have something going on. I would say it's you, but you're part of the show. I mean, you've got a guest. Literally, he's here. You're not a guest.

you guys right now in the middle of a bit of as my mind. Yeah, it's interesting how that works. Trust me, I got plenty of text between last night and this morning saying, be careful. Be careful. Don't let those guys send you

down the bad lane, you know? I text Capehart. I said, I need one thing that's going to get Denny rowed up. He said, to the contrary, I don't think I'm going to give you anything to get Denny route up. Denny gets himself route up plenty. That was one of my calls. Oh, I'm the reason for that one. Jesus.

Oh, man. Well, just good news is the meetings are early in the morning, so you won't miss much when they call us all to the hauler. Oh, man. Oh, yeah, that's debatable. Oh, it was the one year anniversary. It was the one year anniversary. Oh, well, not really.

It was the track anniversary. It was about it was a couple weeks short of a year. But, yeah, it was a track anniversary of our last. Is it out in the open why y'all got called? I mean, I mean, I think so. There's a long list of things. I mean, there was a list probably. They didn't agree with any of them.

Dale Jr. is saved us is what really happened. Because they weren't true or was a bad look? I'm not going to answer that. The perception of what we said. I felt like it was true. And also how you said it. Oh.

I mean, it really was Freddie as well. I was going to say there isn't really a we in this shit. It's really you. It actually wasn't my fault this time. Yes, it was. No, it was Freddie's fault. It was my fault.

All right. You, Freddy. I remember TJ called me after and he's like, seriously, these guys are getting me in trouble. What the hell? so easy maybe uh maybe don't do it again this time it was uh yeah i don't know it was the morning after my birthday so that was a good that was a good happy birthday i'm sure denny's heard a lot of the details but and you probably are really surprised when we go into there this guy says hey

if i start talking just kick me what do you think happened he had bruises on the way he didn't stop talking the entire time yeah me and freddie were like oh God. You're like me. You just can't help it. When you're passionate about something, you're just like, you know, listen to what I'm saying. Well, they kept directing questions at me. That was not and I was like, man, ask Dale Jr. something.

Like, somebody's going to be out of yours. Oh, yeah. He was in there too. Oh, yeah. He saved them. He had to be in there. Well, that's good. That's good. He had your back though, right? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Thank God. He had her back. He gets fired up. Yeah. He definitely had her back. He said if it wasn't us, it was going to be somebody else. Speaking of Dale Jr.,

I'm going to throw him under the bus. he texts me this morning early and he said hey there's a rumor going around that the nose that was by Denny's hauler was not the actual nose off the car from last week it's just a nose where they were showing what happened so was it the actual nose the actual nose the actual nose yes yeah actually they um on Monday uh they had a little show and tell at our comp meeting at JGR they said we want to show all the drivers because you didn't know right I can tell you this there was probably uh 18 people at the comp meeting. I bet 15 people had no idea that that was there. So they showed us, they said, here's what it was, here's what it is. We're talking about it. We think we're just going to show everyone exactly what it was. I said, I think 100% you should be transparent about it because ultimately right now

you got conspiracy theorists. I mean, they think I got a Richard Petty engine in this thing. So, I mean, they didn't give you that yesterday. No. Oh, God. No. But, but yeah, I think, you know, let's do. something that another team hasn't done.

That's be transparent about what you got busted with. And so I think it was the right call. And you win that race with or without that tape, right? Come on, we had three-tenths on the field. I mean, you know, qualifying, we were stupid fast. And then once we got out front and it was crazy what being out front meant for speed. But, yeah, we were just, we were a lot faster. And I mean, what that was for us is, I think they said about three to four counts of

down force, drag, whatever. Wow. So we were talking about last week, obviously there's been a lot of times in the past where they catch you with something and they literally slap you on the wrist. No matter if they catch you running seventh first post-qualifying pre-practice, they'll slap you on the wrist and say, hey, we don't like this, don't bring it back. So do you think this is the sign of we're done doing that if we find something that we don't know about or don't like, we're throwing you out? I think so. I think that they've set a precedence and I hopefully, I'll say this. Hopefully others get DQed this year. I believe that that will be the case. I think that they're really laying down the law here and saying, you know, we're done with it.

And we've told you what the rule is. And I believe, now, listen, this could be inaccurate. I believe they put a bulletin out a week or two before saying specifically specifying that thing. They did. Yeah, they did. Okay. So, I mean, if they send that out and you still do it, then by all means, we should have got it. I think you probably needed a couple more pieces.

I think it was really struggling the turn down there in one. Don't you think, though, like your boy. If your champions racing, though, in this situation and you get kicked out and you choose not to appeal, sticking that nose out there is the smartest thing you can do. In terms of a public opinion. That was discussed. I think so. 100%.

I think that it stops the conspiracy theorist. It stops the, well, they were actually doing this or that. that is it that's that's what it was that's exactly what it was and so uh i think i actually saw on reddit somebody said hey they've been doing this since you know whatever date you know at least since june right and so um it it's right there so you can see that is exactly what it was uh on the hauler there remember the parts i used to pull off cars remember they used to put them in the back of the holler you could go look and see what people were doing i think i mean they had a like to denny's point they had the reddit video had they were wrapping a car i don't know whose car

was, but they were wrapping the car, but as they're showing, as the wraps going over there, you can see that little piece on the bottom right or bottom of the left side, but bottom left, and they said it was like June 27th or something like that. It's funny. It just now comes up. Yeah, but I mean, I was on the plane back, you know, we fly JGR planes and like the car chiefs are like, oh, the 20 car chief, Chris Sherrywood is the buddy of ours. He's like, I don't think our car hide that. And they're like, oh, yeah, it did. He's like, okay, all the car chiefs didn't know apparently. Our cars did not. No, yeah, 201311 did not have them. Thank you. Good job, boss.

So after that win was taken away, how did you handle telling your kids? How did you handle? That was the biggest problem is that I'm in the car and we pull out of the tunnel. I mean, this was three hours, y'all, after the race. Like, it was a long time. And Taylor was trying. So I pulled out and next thing I got a text first. And I said, I think we just got disqualified.

And she didn't hear that, but she heard the phone call. I got Gabe Harder on speakerphone. he talked through it and then next thing you know Taylor's just like wait what we didn't win that's not right there that's not right there they can't do that they can't do that so my youngest mollie who's so matter of fact it's just taking all this in she's hearing the facts and of course my perspective is I'm actually telling Taylor no it is right because you know we we put a piece of tape on the car that made the car go faster and whatever and out of the blue my youngest is um because because she's, Taylor's the whole time saying this is complete BS.

My youngest just out of the blue. She's in a car seat. She's that young. She's like, no, Taylor, because daddy's had, car had something made it go speedo faster than other cars. And so it wasn't fair. Freddy's bailing suit. Yikes.

So, I mean, you know, I'm sitting there trying to explain that Taylor, no, it is, that is fair. That's why they do this. That's why they inspect is. to make sure all the cars are equal, and then we figured out as drivers and crew shoes. But yeah, she didn't like the result, needless to say. But I told Chase, I said, listen, the trophy's yours, but you want that flag.

Go ahead and fight Taylor for it. So good luck. Good luck. I'm assuming he will lose. Yeah, not going to win that. I'm going to back it up for a minute. So probably 2003, 2004, you're riding around with a guy named Michael Perkins in Virginia, who is a crazy dude.

y'all don't know him but trust me he's crazy i think i know you probably have he used to race late model some big stirling marlin fan yeah him and sternly will hang out all the time yeah so denny dude yeah so he calls me and he's like hey i got denny hamill in here and i'm like oh i know who denny hamill is i don't know denny hamlin but i know who he is he puts him on the phone and he's like hey i'm getting ready to get a contract from joe gibbs racing and i don't know what in the world to do and my dumb ass said well hey i'm gonna give you somebody's number to call boy you just handed off a lot of money i mean millions of dollars what in any A lot.

But what an idiot. But I said, I said, Denny, what do you want right here? And he said, well, I want to be able to do a few nice things for my mom and dad and obviously get me a place to live in Charlotte. And I said, okay, well, I know a guy who was very in with Joe Gibbs Racing. He was managing Tony Stewart at the time, Eddie Jarvis. And I'm like, I'm going to get you guys connected.

He'll know all the ends and outs to get you as taken care of as he can possibly get you to get you set up to be successful here. So fast forward almost 20 years later. He's on his yacht. You've won 48 races. You've won dates on a 500. You own a freaking cup team. Like, is there anything that you haven't done other than a cup championship in this point?

You're on top of the world. No, I don't think so. I mean, I never would have imagined. I mean, the days of, you know, roughen up T.J. In the late model series. Which he claims he was better than you. I didn't say it was better. He claimed you got to cheat to beat him is what I heard.

No. No, my equipment was just. You know, Dale Jr. is not a big spender when it comes to his, you know, Finally, someone else was missing. Finally. I mean, Josh Perry might prove that a little different because he wins everything. But, yeah, I mean, he made TJ run on a, you know, a budget, and he didn't, he didn't screw around. We were in 12 races a year.

Denny ran 50 races a year and won 25-ish probably, right? 25 out of 35. Yeah. It's solid. Yeah. And then also, Del Jr. made us go run. We knew where they were going. I knew where he was going to be on Saturday.

Where did you win, Kenley? Friday or Saturday? uh i think it was saturday so i knew if where kennley was going to row you know and him and mark ran manassas and so but the other night they'd take another car and go just chase where the money was so we all entered up at the tracks where when he was heavy hitters man like yeah you'd line up at south boston motor mile and it was 35 fast cars and god i hate it like when he was like hey you can go to

I'm like, oh, my God. Thank God. Thank God. I mean, it's so hard to run against them guys. But they, I'm glad I did because it made me better the entire time. And Denny, me and Denny probably talked. I talked to Denny probably more than anybody in the late models back then. And we actually were pretty good late mall buddies there. And he actually crewed on, we took that day tone.

So this is kind of a funny, quick story. You remember when we all rode five of us in that duly to Daytona, right yes me you and hovis in the backseat and willie and and d neal was driving well denny grew up at selling trailers right the trailer and hitchplay so you were pretty good at backing up stuff we're back in this trailer d neal's back and you remember this d nil's back in this trailer in i mean we've made like 18 turns and it's not going good and daddy's in the back and he goes hey you want me to do this thing and d neal turned around and i thought he was going to beat the because Dean Hill's just not one.

You let him make 80 turns. It doesn't matter. Let him make 80. Just let him finish the job. Danny's back there. Hey, you want me to do this? Like, oh, God, this is not going to go well. But late model days were fun.

I know. I was a mechanic for the old ARCA car, right? Dash car. The dash car, yeah. Yes. We had to get around that dash race and change rear in gear. You've come even further than I thought you came. TJ's up in the hall or, you know, being a fucking typical driver.

You know, hurry up. You're hurting my track time. I'm under there trying to change rear gear. Well, your career past your cross. Mandel Jr., and Jimmy Ellage flew down for the second day, and they get underneath the back. And remember when they put the track bar up on the right side for the first time? Yes. And Lenny was standing next to the driver window, and Lenny, this, you know Big Lenny. You can probably know if you saw him.

He's like, this thing's not coming back. And I'm in there like, oh, shit. Like, I'm going to destroy this car here in a minute. and we went like four-tenths faster with one change. But, no, those were the good old days there. I mean, it was a lot of fun. You don't, I've had more fun running that late model when we would go and run them races.

And it was a lot of fun. So you went from a mechanic for TJ's car to Cup Series team owner. That's quite the ladder you climbed. That is a big step. I know. And here I am, you're on this show. One other, one other thing. Me, him and Willie, Willie Jackson.

are sitting at dinner right by the hotel. Me and him are rooming together. We brought a Super Nintendo or something. We're playing Dirt of Daytona in the room. And we go to dinner and then he gets this dessert. This woman, there was like, they either put a cherry on top or you don't like like caramel or something. I don't like any.

And they put it on there and then he's like, I'm not eating this. He takes it back. And Willie looked at him and Willie was like, just mouth open like, this kid, I cannot. Yeah. Those were the so fun days.

Did you have? have any fun yesterday in Indianapolis. In turn one? I mean dude, I look like a monkey monkey. The entire right in front of us down the backstretch, I like lap too. The entire weekend, I couldn't make a corner. I mean, it was just, I thought

we were going to T-bone you after the kink there. I see you start spinning out. What part is the kink? Five and six. Maybe the, maybe that's a problem. I'm starting to figure it out. Where'd you spin out? You should have called T-J. Everywhere.

It makes two of us. I mean, There was a point where I thought they were showing a replay of you spinning, but it was really just another spin. I put in our team slack. I said, I don't think D.H. He's in the group before us. I don't think D.H. He's in a main turn one yet.

Yeah. I'll tell you, who beat into ones, the 27 beach down there one time. He just kept on going. He went big track turn three and four. Was that the Russian guy or the other guy? No, that was the 26th. The Russian guy was on the oval. He ran the oval.

He was getting oval. He missed turn one and went all the way to oval turn four. part and I'm like, hey, you're on the wrong track, bud. We didn't know what he was doing. He was there for a few laps too. I mean. Are you kidding? The fun of his spotter is, his spotter was.

Maybe he's from Russia too, but anyway, he comes running over there and he's telling Sacco, hey, I want you to push me back. And he's getting mad at Sacco. And I'm like, how do you want him to push you back to where? Like, there's not a way to get you back to the garage. They had to eventually push him around the oval. They pushed him around the oval all the way. That's how far.

But at some point, you still had to get on the actual racetrack. We can't have a safety truck in the middle of the race pushing this Russian guy back to the garage. Like his spotter was mad. I give props to the broadcast because there was so much going on between the car on the oval. There was a tent flying around. Like I don't know how they handled everything on track at the same time. Nobody saw the tent before T.J. Major's. I saw an umbrella going before.

I like, he starts elbowing me. I'm talking to somebody else. He's elbowing me. He's like, there's a tornado. I'm like, shut up. No, seriously, there's a tornado. and he's pointing about that time that tent went, I watched this umbrella,

and I'm like, what the hell was an umbrella doing? It was like going up, and I'm like, Brad, look, a tornado. And he's like, he wouldn't even look up. I'm like, Brett, look, a tornado. And right when he looked up, that easy up went. 10. I mean, it shot, I bet it shot 60 feet now.

Was it just one of those little, it was probably a 10 by 10 by 10. It was a 10 by 10 easy. No, I'm talking about the tornado you're saying. So you know how when you see the parking lines, you see them dirt ones and stuff? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was one of them.

Okay. And it like, I'm like, Brett, look. And he's like, wouldn't pay me in it. Then he looked down there and this thing goes, it goes way up. TJ's not serious much of the time. So he's hollering tornado. And I'm like, dude, it's blue skies out here.

I wasn't buying it. Maybe he was talking about the 11 when it came by. Oh, man. You look like a tornado out of the kink. But how do you legitimately? Listen, there was no driver that should have been proud of their performance other than the eight yesterday. But me in particular, I was ready to get the hell right there.

But, and how does it go from? You are in contention to win the year before on the exact same road course that nobody has ever run. So it's not like somebody's got years of experience on you to. The very next year, it's that difficult. Like, why is that? We have a lot of issues with our cars on road courses. Braking's one of them. Turning's one of them.

And they're getting to the gas as the other. That's a lot of part. What else is there? Yeah. So we're trying to make steps and strides to be a little better. Meanwhile, the cruise is like, he's, driving. I thought. I thought it was a great day

yesterday. Yeah. I mean, clearly, if you just shortcut the whole course and go through the grass, I'm doing that next time. You got to get hit.

You got to get Kyle to hit you like you hit us and then we can take off. Yeah. So it won't turn, it won't stop and it won't go. Other than that, it's pretty good. Other than that, it's fine.

It's right on the straightaway. We could be a little faster down straight away too. That's right along that. You know, what is it? What is it? You talk about blowing turn one. How about Larson?

Holy. Did you see that? Sound like a bomb one off? Is there a report of what exactly happened? Lost breaks is what we were told. And they worked whenever he got to stop because he sat around on the radio. I saw it live. I mean, I was looking at it when he came in there and I was like, man, he's not making this

corner. And then he spun around backwards and he didn't nail tie. And they were up in the air. It looked like when they hit. And I was like, well, and we were sitting in lucky dog position, which we had been in basically since turn one lap one thing. thanks to William Byron who wrecked us when they said green flag. And so I was like, well, we just got our caution and we just got our lap back.

Because there's no way we're not having a caution for this one. It looked like an F-16 bomb that 42 car. Right before that's when you were, you told me, like, if somebody's strata or something hangs here, it's going to be bad. When that was the weird part is, I don't know if you noticed this, Denny, when you kept practicing missing, turn one in practice, and you were shooting out that access road. And the pace car's sitting right in front of you, right?

If you're going into that little access road, shoot out. Well, to the right of that pace car was a bunch of people in a drone tent, like seven or people. Well, when we had one of the cautions, I looked at TJ and I'm like, man, if somebody's throttle hung coming down this front stretch, which is obviously the fastest part of the racetrack, I don't know how they would get it stopped before it got to all these safety vehicles and the people in the tent. It wasn't five minutes later. And there came, and I'm like, man, thank God that 42 car was there to hit, unfortunate for them. But I don't know where he would end up. He hit him. On SMT, he was running like a 125 mile an hour when he hit

him. It was like 180. He scared to heck out of tie. Oh, he probably felt like a bomb went off. I bet. Yeah, it ain't like you as a spotter have time to say, hey, brace for this, buddy. It's coming. Yeah, no. It was bad.

More likely, he just got some sort of knock back because he said he had pedal once he stopped. Yeah, he did. So I have experienced that on this car for sure right after cautions, but we were in middle of a long, which he had damage, right? Because he had that flat tire early. They dragged all the way back. So he might have screwed it up in there.

That was 2311 yesterday. Come up pretty decent or? I saw a bubble was up front of a lot. We were going to. Well, we played some strategy, got up front and the second stage, finished. What was your strategy? You pulled them out of the way in the beginning? No, we didn't.

We kind of survived the beginning. We were running. We short pit the first stage, and then we stayed out, second stage. And we stayed out of the stage break. So we ran top five for a good portion there. And we were going to run probably 15th-ish, I think, which is a fairly solid day for Bubba at a road course. And then we just a really good day for Bubba of a road course. We just got, we got survived at the end, really.

That's all. I mean, that's, you know, we can talk about it later. Looking at the top five, though, it's a, you can tell it's a survival, right? It looks like a plate race. It's just Russian roulette. It's like a player race finish. Killer be killed over there. It's just.

Gerep's all the rookies who. Gillen was fast. Yeah, he was good all weekend, really fast. He was fast. Yeah. I think, and even Ty, I thought Ty was really running well. I thought he was a little too nice to some people. Like, you know, guys got a position on him and he kind of like gave it to him.

Instead of, like, I think it was an exfinity car, he probably would have fought a little bit harder. So I think he could have ran five spots better than where he finished. but you know, he was... I think y'all were one of them. I think y'all used to mom. Did we? That's not a must not. After the race, he was, you know, he's, he nitpicks like, I lost three spots here and four

spots here. And I think he's like the 23 and 18 used me up pretty bad. Really? I must have been out of my zone. So, Daddy, as a team owner, knowing, you know, when Kurt did not pass the concussion test, what was the process like, knowing that you were going to put tie in the car? How did that work? We didn't know.

It was a complete cluster. We didn't know what we were doing. We must have changed the plan three times the night before the race because we had had protocols to put John Hunter in. We had planned for John Hunter in January. We had him fit in the car. We had his insert, how much he needs to be raised up, the pedals. We had all of our presets.

Then, you know, as this happens, I talk to Joe, tell him what's going on. and then, you know, obviously the, should we put Ty in the car? Question comes up and then we just go back and forth and back and forth. I must have told the people at the track, all right, this is the plan three different times, and there was three different drivers every time. So it was a very late last minute thing. And, you know, we just thought that Ty needed to get some seat time. Do you think he's ready for Cup right now?

Could he be a rookie? I mean, heck, he may run more races this year. I don't know obviously what Kurt's situation is, but is he ready for cup full-time, you think? I mean, the only way to learn is by fire. I mean, I think the longer that you wait, the more you get behind us. I mean, when we, in the Generation 6 car,

we had the same basic car on the same tracks for a decade. So a rookie had no chance, really, to come in and beat us veterans that have been racing for years, but the same car on the same track, we just had too many notes. And so now I think that, I mean, obviously, I've been in the sport a long time. I couldn't get around the Indy Road course if I had to yesterday.

So you had to, I think it's going to be rough. It's going to be rough for a few years. And I try to tell Ty that, like, dude, the fence between Xfinity and Cup is a really tall one. And so these guys don't screw around over here. You miss one corner. You qualify the difference between qualified in 10th and 25th. I mean, Xfinity Series, you're going to go as far back as 12th, you know, whatever it might be. So it's just, it will take, it's going to be a project.

It'll take some time for sure. But I think trial by fire is the best way. You were thrown to the wolves and to the Cup series. I was. Right. Yeah, I just don't know why I adapted to Cup better than Xfinity. I mean, I, maybe I ran top five a few times before I got to Cup. Not very many.

But immediately when I got to the horsepower and the low down force, like I took off. I'm not really sure why. Yeah. So what do you, like how much do you mentor? time, given that he's at JGR, he's driving for you. Obviously, I saw you making fun of him wearing your shoes. Like, are you helping him out a lot? Yeah, I am.

I'm trying to give him some guidance, let him know what to look for. You know, I'm asking him the night before the race, is he looking at X, Y, and Z, things that he needs to look at. He's the sponge. He's soaking it all up right now. So I think that, you know, the way he's doing it is good. It's a no-pressure situation. He don't have to think about points.

they don't have to think about anything. It's easier on that. It's way easier. I told him before the race, like, listen, we pulled the reins way back on them because at Pocono, we said, what's your mindset right before the race? He says, hammer down.

We said, whoa, wait a minute. Whoa, wait a minute. So we're like, we kind of back that up a little bit. And he did back up in the beginning of that race. He was just chilling out back there. Yep. I mean, that was, we were like, you got to make a corner.

Hammer down. He said, you got to make a corner first. These things don't steer the same. They don't break the same. same. So I think that once it gets the road course, I said, listen, prepare and the reins are off. I don't care about the result. I mean, you can finish last and finish wherever. I just don't care. Just make sure you go out there and learn something. And so he was happy about that. I hope Kurt comes back this week. But if he can't, there's ties to your guy?

Yeah, I believe so. Yeah, yeah, cool. We got a long show. I'm going to ask you one more thing. On the ownership side, obviously you've got a very experienced president with Steve, Joe Gisendez. Gibbs is beside of you. Like, how often do you have to go to Joe and ask his opinion on things as you're doing this? And I know TRD guys probably work closer together than other manufacturers, but do you have to lean on him a lot?

It depends on what you're talking about in general. I would say, of course I do. I mean, he is ultimately the person that I mold my company after. I've been at JGR for so long that I understand the family atmosphere that they've built there, and that's what I want to emulate. I think that a lot of the reason, that Stuart Haas has been so successful once Tony came over there.

He emulated what Joe was doing and Joe Gibbs Racing. So it's the mold that seems to work. Yeah, cool. Do you see your team being more like a JGR with an Xfinity series team, maybe Rock in the future or? You never know. The model would have to change a lot. Yeah, not right now for sure.

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Are you joking me? He's lost his mind. Oh, and by the way, no one ever seems to agree. And then spot off means you disagree. Spot off. Here we fucking go. This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. But if you're T.

Um, uh. Uh, there's only one correct answer. I don't know. It's time for spot on, spot off. Spot on, spot off. First topic, Ross Chastain takes the turn one access lane on the final restart and battles Tyler Reddick for the win before being penalized 30 seconds post race. Denny, favorite person, this one's all over you. So if you, if it's, so what is the like button, spot on or spot off?

Spot on you. Spot on you like what happened. Spot off, you don't like what happened. So there's really two pieces. Yeah, yeah. So spot on, I'm glad he did it before I did. I was thinking about it.

I was thinking about it. I can tell on Saturday you were thinking about it. I had a really good breaking point into the access fraud. I really did. I did it on Saturday. Everybody did it all weekend. I noticed, I noticed in practice that,

I mean, even when I really slowed way down, and then said, oh, screw it, I got to go to the access road. I'm looking, I'm like, I'm right back where I came out. Like, if I really just committed to blowing this and having a breaking point, then I think there's a gain to be had here.

That's pretty obvious. Yeah, especially when you've got to break further cars. Well, yeah, that was the biggest thing, too. They're all piled up on top of each other and one. I think he committed pretty early that if I see any slowing down on the corner, I'm just going because he, I mean, I don't think he even tried to turn.

down in. So he got on the bray, you know, me and Billy Scott were sitting next to each other plane last night, and we were looking at it on SMT. And he got like, he braked like he was going to make the corner and then never even, it never swayed. It was like once the hole opened in front of him, he took off again. He did have three on the right side, and that's a bad spot. So, I mean,

it's genius. It worked. I mean, it's unfortunately legal, apparently. I imagine that rule will be added. Well, I think that if he would have blended, like, second a ways back or something, maybe Tyler Reddick was thinking when he sees this guy on the left

just come out of nowhere and take the lead you son of a not only is not just some guy but it's Ross so you know like I don't understand why it took so long

to penalize them if that's if that's a penalty it wasn't breaking the rules well we've already established they've got a committee or something up there oh the committee is yeah they were talking about

that's what Fred and I were texting about last night and this is what I'm spot off about is a we saw guys do this all week weekend with no penalty and people say I was talking about Pocryce you can't improve your position well if the three cars in front of you on the track and the three cars skips it and even though he doesn't

quote pass a car he gets a three quarters of a second gap that's improving your position on the race track we saw guys trying it out in practice in both series we saw guys do it in the Xfinity race we saw guys do it in the cup race and the only person that got a penalty was a guy at the end I'd actually told Justin Haley hey man guys are doing this so if you're only out of the outside and you're stuck, just go shoot this access road because they're not doing anything about it. So I think it's ironic. You're past the wreck too. Most times you're past the wreck.

Absolutely. You're past the right. The one and the three got the penalties because they were the only ones that improved their position throughout the other guys were doing it, but they never committed to it like the one and the three did on the last last. That was never said though. But I mean, it's in the rules and it's a discretionary rule, which obviously sucks. I think next year when we go back, you'll see you'll have to stop in my opinion.

That'll be the rule. Like you can blow through this turn one, but you're going to have to stop. before you re-enter the racetrack, I think, is the only fair way to do it because you can't, now the guys see this, they'll try to manipulate it anyway. Have you seen turn one? Stopping still might be faster. Yeah. I mean, Ross was in a no-win position. AJ Amadinger was on the inside of Ross, and the way that Suarez went in there.

He completely cleaned out. Blaney, AJ. If Ross had been there, he would have been cleaned out as well. So Ross avoided the accident, but I don't understand, to your point, it's a minute and a half back around there. Why didn't they then say, hey, one, you're illegal? You're not going to be a part of this race. Get out of the way.

Let Cendrick and everybody else do what they've come to do. So that's what I'm spot off about. Voting. For Ross's... Voting takes time. It does take time. I'm spot on for Ross saying, I think this is the best thing for me,

get this point in time. And it almost worked out. We saw last year that they don't always adhere to the black flag at the end of the race. I don't know if you remember that. I think Dustin, Dustin long tweeted, I guess maybe over the radio NASCAR said that if in the closing laps of the race,

there's not enough time to assess any penalties that are not served prior to the end of the race, a post-race penalty of 30 seconds will be assessed to the vehicle's total time. Yeah, but I don't, I'm not really sure that they considered this a penalty. Yeah. You know, they didn't during their whole race. I did it twice at least. I think they just, I think they took it, I think it took him by surprise when Ross came out.

Yeah. Or he did. Or maybe he didn't look like. Or maybe he didn't look like. But the wreck made it way worse. He also could have made it look like he tried a little bit more. But it didn't make it that worse because he came out and like Ty got through. Yeah.

Tyler got through one clean and he came out ahead of him. So it wasn't like the wreck was the only thing that stacked everybody else out. Tyler Redick is not getting enough credit on the last restart because of what Ross Jastain did. When you watch that replay and you watch him come down that straightaway and do everything that he could do to keep Blaney behind him and not get freight trained on the inside, like he completely managed that restart. Top notch.

And then you saw Ross go flying out. But Tyler Reddick deserves more credit than he's getting because that was amazing. Yeah. Like Danny said, he's about the only one that deserves. credit for yesterday. I mean, listen, even in our driver's chat, everyone's, you know, disappointed with how that race win. I mean, what we try to figure out is like, you know, who's responsible for this? And, you know, because IndyCar doesn't do that. Well, it's because they'll knock the front wing off and race over, right? But we just, we just, we use the person in front of it. And I say we.

But I watch just, I mean, like the 22 and the two and the and the 14, they just, they just. just, I mean, they just pile in and, you know, five wide when they know they can't make it and they know the person in front of them can't. So they hit them to then cause a wreck so they go around it. So it's just, it's just bad. It's just a bad look. And, you know, it was just, it was just, it was just, it's terrible. If you were the sanctioning body, what would you do to change it? If I own the series, I keep doing it again because. It's treating more action. Everybody saw it. Yes. I knew when that was going to be a green, greenway checker that it was going to be bad. But like we had the restarts like 22 goes all the way down.

Doesn't even make the corner. Pops the curb goes on the inside of the curb with his right sides. And you know you're not making that corner. You're basically forcing contact to create a wreck so you can gain them spots. The problem is people, the drivers think, well, that guy is he's not going deep enough. Well, no, he's not going deep enough. He's just not trying to create a four wide and a two wide lane. Like that's, you know, when you're in the sixth row, of course you can't go as deep as what your breaking mark is because there's traffic. in front of you, but they just keep filling in from the back and not respecting, they don't care about whoever's the collateral damage. Because it makes spots from it and then they do it again. When you look at the Chase Elley wreck, that wreck started from 10 cars back. Somebody coming in there

running into the car behind. He gets poned into the car in front of him and next thing you know, it just ricochets all the way forward. I don't have statistics to support this, but I've always said turn one at Watkins Glen, breaking downhill, was the hardest corner to make in NASCAR, because I saw a lot of guys running by themselves, wheel hop, spin out, and off they go. And obviously, restarts for nuts. I take it back. Turn one at Indy, hands down, the hardest corner in NASCAR to make after seeing that this weekend. But it's self-inflicted because it's mostly drivers there.

They don't hit each other at Watkins Glen like they do it. I think they will now. They don't do it on the initial start. Yeah. I mean, it's green and white checker. It's either hit or be hit. I mean, should we think about single file restarts? No.

We can't. There? No. I mean, it would make a difference? It'd be boring as shit. Definitely make a difference. It'd be three wide versus five wide. Yeah.

Oh, for sure. I don't think you have a wreck. And I don't think you have a wreck like you do. I mean, we're going to be too wide by the time we get to the first corner, but we just won't be six wide. Starting, yeah. Like the 22, I have no idea where he was going. The 20, and he finished like six. then he was running 30th.

I know, but that's why they do it is they get rewarded for it. The 22 looks like. I thought he came off pit road. The 22 looked like a move I used to play in PlayStation. You just like hang out to the right with no damage on and just blow out the whole field. Don't worry. Ryan Blaney told it like it was. Spot on, spot off, Joey Logano, among other drivers,

dive bomb turn one on the final two restarts. And Ryan Blaney says, Jason. That was a case of just getting wrecked. That's all people do at the end of these things. drive in there and wreck you. And I don't know. Who's shove to? I don't care.

Pretty spot on, spot off. He's right. I mean, he's not wrong, obviously. You know, like, we just talked about Joey. Like, that's how we got knocked out on the grass was Joey was five wide on the bottom and knocked that whole lane out to us. But just that you saw it all day long. You saw guys going in there and now guys are getting paid back because they thought

the guy wrecked him, but he actually got shoved from four rows back. You know, Blaney went and turned Suarez at the end of the race when it looked to me like it was the two that got in the back of Suarez. I think Harvick paid back 48 and 48 didn't do anything to him. So it's just like, you don't even know who's wrecking you because there's 16 wide and guys are just driving over their heads

and into the corner. I didn't see that. Is that what happened? There was no good angle of the 4 and 48. There was a replay, but Alex tweeted something or put a post up like, I got paid back for a wreck. I didn't cause. So it sounds like it was intention. Well, I saw the quote, someone's radio, but it was

the Harvick's radio and they said, well there's about five guys responsible and they said well tell me all five and we'll get them all he did hermit yes he was pissed he's like give me all five names yeah I did look at that restart with the two the two kind of seemed to start that one it wasn't really Suarez's why it's got into the back of him um the two was super great I mean there was just guys you could just see it coming you know and then I don't even know you there's no way to defend it like spotting it you're like I don't know what to tell you I'm 100% spot on for what Matt Weaver tweeted about this.

He said, racing with respect does not pay playoff points. And he's right. And at the end of these races, all these guys give a crap about is winning or getting playoff points or obviously advancing in the top ten in points so that you get more playoff points when the regular season is over. So racing with respect and integrity is out the window when you have a green white checker these days,

especially somewhere that there's a corner like turn one. Yeah, well, we run Formula One tracks, and we have a hair, like a 90 degree corner, I can tell you right now it's going to be ugly. Then it was. Flat track, too. Yeah. Moving on.

When asked about his relationship with Tyler Redick, Richard Childress says, Jason. Kevin Harvick and I talked through this whole deal and we made a joint announcement. He won four races that year and we almost won the championship. This one didn't happen like that. So I'm going to take a bathroom break. See you later.

Oh, man. Just for that, Denny. Spot on, spot on. Well, one of two things. I hope you don't see him a food line. And if you ever see him taking his watch off, you better run. I'll lay some groundwork here. All right.

We sat on here two weeks ago. If you're Richard Childeris, who truly can you be mad at right now? And we said, nobody but yourself. Tyler Redick admittedly went to him and said, I want a long-term deal. I want to stay here. I want to be a part of the team that gave me the opportunity to be where I'm at in cup. And Childeris looked at him and said, you ain't want to raise.

shit you ain't getting a long-term deal. Well, that's his fault. So I gave props to you for sucking them up as quick as you could because if you don't get this guy quick, somebody else is going to, right? Richards obviously heard about it. I understand Richard's upset about the timing of the announcement where you guys said, hey, we've signed Tyler Reddy, but if you don't do that, somebody else is going to tweet it within the next six hours anyway, right? So I am spot off for Richard coming out publicly in saying this because I go back to what I said from the beginning. Who else has he got to blame for this? Yeah, it's a tough situation because if it wasn't us, it was someone else.

That's just the facts of it. He had other contracts in his hand. You know, they did go to him earlier in the season as I understand it and ask for a long term. And I don't know the exact words, but it was something in the words of like, we're not in a position to be able to do that, whether it be financially or whatever it might be. be the reason.

But yeah, it's, we knew that we, first of all, we wanted to make sure, is it legal for us to be talking to him? There was. Maybe there's a problem with that. I said that on the show. There's a problem with that. But, I mean, essentially, if it's not us, it is someone else. And it was

other very, very big teams that had offers in front of Tyler and we were not the highest bidder, I don't believe. And so he chose us and we appreciate that. And like talked about, we, we got tired of leaking announcements. And so it's not good for anyone because you know what would be happening is that instead of this getting out there, and like I said,

Tyler, we'd love to have you, but I'll see you, see you down the road. Go do your thing now. We're not, we're done until that point. Every single weekend, he would be getting questions about where are you going, what are you doing after winning this weekend. It would be completely tainted with, He may not have won this weekend because of the questions. He may be distracted. I can tell you this, that they are going to get the best out of Tyler for the next 16 months because he is motivated to do well for his team, which says a lot. And I talked to Jim Campbell at Chevy, and he says,

I have no question in Tyler's motive to go out there and want to prove that, you know, and live out his contract and do things the way as a professional should. So I think that it's just, I know that timing was unfortunate for everyone at RCR because they couldn't tell sponsors or whatever because of how short timing it was. I think that they were maybe in conversations about some sponsorship long term, but at least now you know you've got to build that sponsorship around somebody else, right? And so the worst thing would be, can you, you know, going out there signing a sponsor, it's attached to Tyler, and next thing you know Tyler's not there.

That's a worst situation. So at least it gives everyone time to plan for the future. And this weekend shows that you're still going to get 100% of effort out of Tyler Redick. I think in most agreements, too, it says, like, there is a clause where if a driver were the change or if there were to be a shift, a sponsor, you can get out anyways. So I don't know that they... I don't know how you make the same mistake as a company 10 years later.

You did the same thing with Harvick as you did with Tyler Rec. I don't know how that happens. I don't, you know, I mean, listen, everybody in the sports for themselves. I mean, at the end of the day, everybody's going to do what's best for them. And I'm sure RC has been in that position many times throughout the years. I think Brett could probably attest to a couple of them. But, you know, how much, talk about how much effort you had to put into making sure that you were going to get the announcement out. I mean, I know you went through, you know, you had to put a lot of time and thought into how this was going to come out.

Because, I mean, I've heard you say, like, by the time, by the time he was back to you, there was already text going out. I knew he wouldn't make it back to Charlotte. I knew there was no way. So I had to go up there to Winston-Salem and get a hotel room and get a conference room. because I knew that there was no way from the time that he told his, so he told his team first, the eight team, and then he told RC, I believe that was, I'm not sure, but I believe that was how it went, and then he came directly to the hotel.

So by the time, so I think he told his team, and then I think it was nine minutes later, it had made it to our shop, our rap guy at our shop, that, hey, congrats on getting ready. So it was just, it just was a matter of time. Wow. So from an evaluation standpoint, right? You're building something special at 2311 with Michael Jordan.

What makes you say, Tyler's my guy? Days like yesterday. Holy cow. I mean, just the way, I mean, it would be so easy, especially with Ross Serre at the end, to like panic and overdrive and like the most reasonable outcome that happened out of yesterday is he ends up wrecking trying to get back around Ross. But like the in and out and composure he had on the restarts, everything, you have to have a driver that can win it all types of racetracks.

He should have won the dirt race. He's fast everywhere he goes. He should have won California. You know, I think someone blew a tire in front of him. And then he goes out and he's won two road courses. So to me, in a schedule where you don't know what's coming year to year because of the schedule changes, you better have somebody that can win everywhere. Yeah.

He's definitely shown that he's growing him becoming better and better. And this yesterday was probably the most flawless race that I've ever seen him drive. Like everyone made so many mistakes yesterday. When Ross got beside him, like you said, he could have panicked. And he still drove it in there and was in the right position to clear Ross. And when he cleared Ross, he was gone. When you look at 2311, you guys are young, man, two years old, right? Obviously, a big alliance with not even two years old, big alliance with JGR.

But when you look at bringing Kurt in, you can see from a spotter stand it helped Bubba. Obviously, you can look at Kurt Stats. He was on pace to beat everything that he did last year where he was at over at Gannasi. The top fives were trending to be higher. Obviously, he's got one win. You don't know if another one's coming,

but he's certainly there were races. He could have won more. This kind of move gives you another animal in there to elevate 2311. You know, I did a peer review with a lot of different teammates of his because, you know, I didn't know what kind of Kurt Bush. I know people said, well, he turned a corner. He's, you know, better, this, that, and the other.

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We're always somebody special. Oh, moving on. Kyle Bush says he'd take less money or a one-year deal to stay at JGR. God, I got to go to the bathroom again. What have you been drinking? Spot on spot off. T.J. Alto, this one is getting more interesting by the week. I mean, we keep talking about it and we just keep getting more clues.

Every week that goes by, it seems like someone's going to get a bargain on Kyle at some point. So, you know, I'm here for the drama, but spot on, I guess. I mean, Kyle's going to go somewhere. I might guess. Good, good guess. I mean, that's going out of a limb. I mean, you're way out of a limb, but that's a good guess. The more time that goes on, the more that it looks like that he's not going back to JGR.

Denny, I'll put it in a different way. Can we go, can I be last in this one? I want to be last. Here's where I'm at on this thing. I'm spot off for the fact, and I would love for Denny to speak to the economics of this. I'm spot off for the fact that Joe Gibbs Racing, who is renowned in the sport, for paying more to get a driver, paying more to get the right tire changer, paying more to get whatever they want, they get it.

And they're in a position where a two-time cup champion, a guy on top of his game can't get a sponsor and they have to lose him. That's what I'm spot off for is the model is so tough right now on teams that the sponsorship has to be so big to retain a guy like Kyle. I am spot on for Kyle eating a little bit of humble pie right here because he's been fairly arrogant. I guess what I would love to know is, and we won't ever know this publicly to be able to say it,

but I would love to know if he's turned down contracts already this year, that he would now be willing to sign. Yeah. I mean, you see, it seems like a little bit of a backpedal this week. You know, we've seen kind of, we've heard reports that he was, you know, looking for his market value, and now suddenly he's not for some reason.

And you've got to think that he's kind of seeing that those offers just aren't there. And I don't know, first of all, Before I say anything, you didn't bring him here, right? Like, he's good. Like, he's not going to walk in and you're not going to announce breaking news. Okay, great. But, I mean, there's just not that many teams that really can get, you know, who's left? I mean, RCR, I guess, could go after them if they really wanted to.

But, I mean, Stuart Haas, we're hearing those seats are filling pretty fast over there. You want to share some rumors? I mean, we've already talked about Eric going back in the 10. I think that's getting pretty close. We've heard some other rumors that I'm not going to share. Why? J.G.R. seems pretty steadfast in whatever offer they. made. I don't think that, I mean, I'm sure they're still ongoing.

GMS, they can afford them, but it sounds like they've got their seats filled. They just side Eric Joneson extension. We kind of hear Gregson's going over there next year. Dale, if anybody's ever seen Dale Haggle on it on eBay, you know he's not paying Kyle Bush. Bill Jr. is a tie ass. Anybody who knows him knows that. Obviously, it's been seen since day one. I mean, I mean, you know, Matt Collig. I mean, is Matt Collig want to make a big splash here? I mean, I don't, there's rumors that they haven't had any talks, but that might be changing.

So, you know, I don't know, I just don't know where else he goes. And I mean, I seen one thing where he's like, oh, I might run a Kyle Larson schedule. He ain't going to run. He's not taking a year off to go run dirt cars somewhere. I mean, he's already started with the micro. Yeah, exactly. He's not taking a year off.

Those planes are expensive. Yeah. So those houses. But, yeah, so I don't, I just don't know. I mean, I don't know. I don't know where he ends up. What is fair market value? We can argue this to the cows go home.

What do I think Kyle Bush is worth fair market value? What do I think? All right. How do you equate a driver's fair market value in today's world? Do I have to say he has a big sponsor or it doesn't matter? That he's bringing you a sponsor? Okay. No, no sponsorship.

No sponsorship. Fair market value for Kyle Bush today is between $5 and $6 million. Okay. Do you think I'm way off? No, sir. Thank you. No, sir. I do not. Simply because think about it from the team's economical standpoint.

Your team gets paid, which you win on the racetrack and what your historical value is plus the fixed fee. The difference between first and last is about $6 million. So that means if I had the worst driver in the field to finish dead last every week, I'm going to get paid X. And if I have the best driver that wins every race in the championship and its number one ranking, charter, I get paid why. And the difference between that is only $6 million. So that essentially is what you would consider what you should pay the best. Now, you can add sponsorship to that. So now, let's just say you have $10 million in sponsorship. Well, if that sponsorship is linked

to the driver, then a driver deserves part of that deal, right? What is the proper percentage? Is it 20% 30% 40% what is it right add that to the delta that you're talking about that probably is fair market value yeah I agree with that and it's a shame that he's not going to get that but it sure looks like he's not going to get it

listen we we have been very fortunate to be in the sport I think my lucky stars every day that I came in when I did because it was after the Hans device was you know brought into the sport the safety was such a big factor and the money was really, really big. Really big. And so, you know, we, we lived in a world where, you know,

sponsorships were paying, you know, tens of millions. I thought, you know, we've seen documented on Twitter about, you know, the M&M's deal or it was there close to it. You know, when you think about what, what the height of driver salaries were, I mean, go back in Forbes and for the last five years and they, they nail it pretty, pretty good. They pretty much got it. I don't know whether they're getting our tax returns or what they're getting, but I mean, they nail it. So it's unfortunately, we're just that the teams aren't getting those type of sponsorship dollars anymore. And performance on the track, it's just part of the equation that equals fair market value. And so, yeah, I think that Kyle has seen that there's a shift and he has to take

some concessions. And it sucks to have to do that. It stinks. I wish this wasn't the case. I mean, certainly if the, you know, I think that we saw the thing with LeBron. I'm not saying Kyle's LeBron by any means. But if the Lakers lose a sponsor, they still sign LeBron. It doesn't matter about that. That's the only difference in their model and our model is that when you make a sponsorship dependent, then these type of things happen. And you have a risk of you're one of most popular and polarizing drivers. not racing in 2023. That's a possibility. Which just got repeated. Basically it's getting repeated. It just happened to Matt Kenseth with the same team years ago. That's right.

Too expensive to bring it back. So part of the economics. Well, I'm curious to see if this next topic has anything to do with what the future looks like. Spot on, spot off. NASCAR president Steve Phelps says that the sanctioning body is preparing to offer teams a fair relationship with the spirit, with the split of media right dollars for the next TV deal.

Brett, spot on, spot off. I mean, I'm spot on if this happens. You know, I think that this is a long time coming. I think that racetracks are hogging a lot of money that they're not reinvesting into the sport. And if they were getting, you know, X amount of dollars, like Denny said, and they're putting 30% of that back into facilities. And every time our race fans walk into facility,

it's as clean and pretty and pristine as Indianapolis Motor Speedway, I'm going to be all for that. I want to see investment into the sport, and I don't know that I see a lot of race tracks doing that. Yes, Daytona spent $400 million. Guess what? The Daytona 500 is freaking sold out. Phoenix went in there and spent over $100 million.

Guess what? That place is sold out. People don't want to go to trashy facilities anymore. We can't look like a Saturday night track when we're charging $150 to a come to a race on Sunday. So when I look at the model, I know what the tracks are getting. I know what NASCAR is getting. I know what the teams are splitting, right?

That number needs to be higher if our track's going to get better. Because at the end of the day, they're still coming to these racetracks to watch the driver's race. I was blown away on Saturday morning that this facility, Indianapolis Motor Speedway, had 400,000 people there to watch the IndyCar race for the Indy 500. And the exact same drivers came back on Saturday morning, and guess what wasn't there?

400,000 people. There were a lot of people there, but they weren't for it. It was the exact same people. So it's about the experience. It's about all the things of the cultures. And I want to see, I mean, Jeff Burton said exactly where Denny's setting. And he said, I want to see the owners get filthy rich owning race cars in this sport. I am of the same belief because guess why?

Spotters are going to get paid more. Shot guys are going to get paid more. Truck drivers are going to get paid more. We're all going to make more money. And the money is there. It's just not funneling to the teams. I think that this is just directly related to what we were just talking about with Kyle. You know, this, Kyle's not having these contract negotiations if Joe Gibbs is making five times of the amount of money.

He's off the TV deal because now he's not dependent on Eminems or whoever to find a sponsor. He can just take that money and give it to Kyle. Or we're not dependent on, you know, we see a lot of everybody complains about it on Twitter and Reddit that, you know, this guy just bought his ride. This guy. But you'll see less of that. You'll see more talented guys get opportunities because the drivers won't be so reliant. The owners won't be so reliant on sponsorship money. So I think this just proves that point there.

Yeah, I mean, I think that Brett pretty much nailed it, to be honest with you. I mean, that's kind of the complaint. Listen, I've been vocal on Twitter about this, which I probably shouldn't have at times. But I agree. I mean, listen, anytime that, you know, one entity takes the bulk, then you want to see that reinvested. I mean, for us not to have Internet at most of these, I mean, that's in fact. Most of the tracks is just silly. Yeah, we would like to see.

It's not growing the sport. Putting the money in your pocket is not growing the sport. And so, listen, I had a long lunch with, you know, Marcus Smith, and I invited Justin Marks to come, you know, let's talk to him. Let's hear his side and whatnot. And I understand that, listen, they got to pay a lot as well. They keep paying NASCAR sanction fees. So NASCAR is kind of taxing all these different entities when we come to the racetrack.

but listen, I think that Steve Phelps is a great asset for the NASCAR team owners. I think that he understands. I think Jim and the whole France family understand that we need to change the model in some ways, shape, or form. So I'm spot on to what Steve Phelps said there. I think that I think certainly things will get better because, you know, when we talk about Kyle, I think, you know, if you got to take less for a little bit of time, I think if something can get done, the driver's salaries go back up to where they were in the heyday. So I think certainly everyone, listen, it's hard for us to continue to employ our people because it's not like people in our industry have gotten pay raises as inflation has gone up, right? So, you know, when I build a shop, I'm trying to build a shop that's nicer than everyone else's because that's what's going to retain my employees versus, you know, me, just paying more than everybody else. So I just think that, you know, that is a tough part of our sport is you can go work somewhere, a very normal job with normal hours and get paid about

what you do in our series right now to be a mechanic or whatever it might be. So that's why we're losing a lot of talent. That's why we're losing a lot because they can do a job that just doesn't require the time and effort that what ours does and the travel. So we need to get to a better place to where we can compensate those people the way they should be like every other company is doing in the world right now. And I'll credit you guys. I mean, I remember Curtis coming out, you know, on behalf of 2311 and basically stating, you know, hey, we've got a lot of experience and other avenues with other sports.

And we want to see and help our sport grow by doing these things. So. Yeah. I mean, in years past, though, I will say this. And I've been part of the sport a long time. The conversations with NASCAR is different than they've ever been. That is for sure. is that they are more open to changes.

I mean, we see it with a schedule. We see it with the business model that we're trying to change. They're really working hard. And honestly, I believe that we're going to end up in a good place. I hope so. The NASCAR deal was 10 years, I think, $2.8. Or $8.2 billion is what the last deal was. We just signed NFL, which is obviously its own entity.

They just signed $110 billion is their TV rights deal. NBA is looking for $75 billion. I mean, are we, I'm hoping we'll see a, not a, similar jump. Obviously, we're not going to know those numbers, but we see a jump in there. But does NASCAR have to have their deal done with TV before they can go to you guys and offer anything? I don't think so. I think that we could probably agree on, let's just share. Let's just share in whatever that revenue is. If it's up, it's down, it's whatever, let's just share and whatever it might be. But there's a group talking to NASCAR on that, and I'll leave the details to

them on that. But we have to realize, too, though, when you look at other sports and how they get a big jump. We do cost a lot of money in the sense of like what we cost per hour that we're giving the viewer because we are just one or two races in a weekend where NBA is, I mean, it's on every night of the week, right? It might just be one or two games, but it's, there's a lot of content that gets created. And so with us just racing one day a week, practice one day a week for 20, 30 minutes, we don't, the price for our content is pretty high compared to other sports.

Speaking of content, NASCAR release a trailer for the new docu series that's coming to USA in the fall. Any thoughts on how that's going to become the next drive to survive? It won't be as good as that Netflix show on 2311. Hey, you know what? I was really excited about it until I saw it was on Monday night at 10 o'clock on USA. Like I really wanted to see this come out on Peacock. Like I wanted it to give me a reason to become a Peacock subscriber and to go after that young audience that is streaming. I mean, we hear from executives all the time.

I know Denny does. Our fan base is this. Our fan base is that. We want to go after that 18 to 35 year old. Well, hell, they're not watching USA Network 10 o'clock at night. So I appreciate the effort. I appreciated the trailer. I thought it looked beautiful.

It was well presented. I'm just a little bit worried about the distribution strategy. I do think that while it will be on at like 10 on Monday, they'll probably replay it a lot, just like they play life in the fast lane. I'm sure. I'm sure that's going to help at 12 o'clock on you. USA Network on a Wednesday. No, they play life in the fast lane after like races.

I know, but no one, no one Young's watching USA Network. I feel like that's the biggest struggle. Like Netflix was. You're listening. You're listening. You're listening. Yeah. That was my point.

On the Peacock note, though, I have heard of a lot of, like, a lot of people subscribing to Peacock now, which has hopefully helped NBC. We need that. It's where we're headed anyway. I think Drive Survivor was on Netflix, which had an established following. Putting on Peacock, it would be great, but it's not. Their following doesn't seem super established yet. So I'd rather see it reach new people in a place that's already gotten.

How did that work on the driver piece as far as did you all, like, they came to you with the opportunity and whoever wanted to be involved got involved? Yeah, this is a long time coming for sure. I didn't participate in it, but, you know, there was a bunch of did. And so what I liked about the trailer is it looks like they're actually taking us seriously. I mean, just, man, I just always been told if you want to sit with the adults, you got to. act like one. And so you, it's just, I think that certainly the trailer looks like it, it's really going to tell some compelling stories about some of these drivers and the teams beyond what you see on the racetrack, which is really good. Moving on to Michigan, spot on, spot off. The cup race

at Michigan should run the same rules package as Atlanta. Ready, spot on spot off. Spot off or spotters. I mean, I don't think I got enough batteries if we did that at Atlanta. But, I mean, it would be exciting. It would definitely, it would be interesting. Have you, you didn't test there, right? I think Bubba went. No. You know, it's not sounding like I thought that we could be easy wide open,

but it sounds like they're, they're completely out of the throttle, but they're more off or less throttle than I thought. But it'll be interesting. But yeah, if we ran that Atlanta package there, it would be pretty wild. If I hear we're shifting at Michigan, I might just jump off the back. Oh, God. Because that drives me fucking nuts at these levels. Look, I would be spot on for running that package there.

because I actually love plate racing. I know the drivers probably wouldn't be on board with it. I don't know that I would. Halfway through the race, I'd probably change my mind because I'd do that every week anyway. But Denny and I were talking on the way in here about, you know, what do we think this surface, this car is going to race like. So, man, I would love the package.

I don't think Denny's probably on board of that. No, I mean, I think Toyota's going to haul ass, especially after we put some duct tape on it. I mean, I mean, I don't. Just thinking in general. So, I mean... NASCAR haulers should be fun this weekend. Yeah.

No, it's, I think, I don't know. I mean, I see merit to both, honestly. I do. I think if you want, like, a complete cluster of a race and the crazy restarts, then, yeah, you got to slow them down. I would say even Atlanta, you've got to slow them down slightly more.

We're still five miles an hour too fast. And going into three skating up the racetracking. is a little sketchy. Yeah. Yeah, for sure, especially if you have damage. Yeah. I heard the exit of,

Exeter 4 is really sketchy, isn't it? But, but yeah, I mean, I think that, you know, if you're gonna, if you're gonna slow him down,

honestly, really slow them down. Like, we got to, we got to get under the tire to where we can get close to each other in the corners.

That's what's going to make the great, you know, speedway racing that, that we all love. I agree. They're still too fast. Do you remember,

Did you do that commercial when we ran them late models at Charlotte? Were you evolved with that? It was like a Toyota deal. I spotted for Suarez in one of them. You were there. I was there. I can't remember. We ran like late models at Charlotte and it was a,

but they were slower than, but they could not get away from each other. We were four wide the whole race. I was in that. Yeah. I was on that place. Yeah, it was show cars. It was a show cars.

You guys, that's my riding with you. I could remember what that. Yeah. You had like football players or something. It was crazy because it, you know, listen, fans love speed. I totally get that. But if you want to see the three and four wide and like everyone's comfortable with giving

each other no space, you have to slow us down slightly more to get us under the tire. But yeah, I remember that. It was for right before the Super Bowl commercial, right? Football players. Holy cow. It was amazing to see. We were four wide the whole time. It felt like. Who knew, you know, listen, you know what?

I figured this out. As car, we need to just get rid of all of our cars. We're going to run Richard Petty, driving. experience guys. That's what we're going to race from that. Sign me up. I'll join. 155 mile an hour down the backstress. Wide open.

Wide open. I do think there is something to that. We're like in the middle. We either go, we're not slow enough to really pack up like we've tried to do a few times to where everyone's really good at doing it. And when we are going super fast,

the cars are glued. We need to be up off the racetrack where they can stay with each other some and just have the, you used to be able to spend the time tires to the flag stand at Texas back in the day. Like the thrott, like the horse power, like I missed that aspect of it. Probably when he was first starting, that's how it was. You would, you could literally run, come off turn four at Texas and just hear them guys spinning the tire

to the flag stand. It's not like that anymore. We're like in the middle of just not so enough to where everyone's comfortable like he says. And we're not like you can't stay with people and offer you use the horsepower because we don't even have it anymore. So, um, yeah, I mean, you probably got one more race of Atlanta, like what Atlanta is racing now. And then it's going to start to get spread for sure. Which, I mean, that's okay. Yeah, I'm good at that.

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Nobody's listening, but I don't care. I'm on an episode of DoorBong for Clear. Oh, T-J's cool, and Freddie Kisses, Hamlin's ass, every chance he gets. Casey's beautiful But she never ever

Pinks her But Brisco forgot that he had breaks Now the pasta's getting high It's going to hell It's time for reaction Feeder We have a nickname in my family For people like Nemechek

We call them the Walking Eagle It's when it's so full the that he can't fly. Sometimes you're the bug, sometimes you're the windshield, claiming to be the bug. This dude was a semi on that track tonight. Good Lord, man.

I don't know what he's smoking. Walk an eagle. That's actually pretty good. If you were Kyle, the team owner in the situation, how would you handle John Hunter? You don't do anything. It's Chuck Series.

I don't know exactly. It's the truck series. I mean, that's how everyone, he's not any different than most of them in that series. I think all the championship favorites in the Chuck series decided to piss everybody off in the first race of the playoffs. John Hunter goes in there and just wipes the kid out for his first career win, saying stuff's like two or three guys in the fence. So Hosevar's right-hooking guys down the straightaway. Like, I don't understand it. The Chuck series is massively different than what it used to be.

But let me ask you this. So Hosevar clearly just right-hook this guy after he ran in the back of him off of four. is this going to be a $35,000 penalty? Is it going to be 30 points? Like you just set this precedent with Noah a couple weeks ago. Where is his penalty? Because he did the same exact thing. He got on his quarter panel and right hooked the guy into the fence.

But the wreck wasn't as bad after it. Well, that doesn't matter. It's causing a fence. You were talking about the fallout after the rent. Yeah. The outcome shouldn't matter. It should be judged on that. The intent.

The wheel either came off or the wheel didn't come off. Like, it's either on or off. That's right. Listen, all I did was tweet out that I'd like to see the new car on the oval instead of the road course. See how it would do. The old car race like a bit. New car might be all right. Who knows?

But I don't know who works for NASCAR that used to work for Homeland Security because now all of a sudden, I got this fly, little antenna on it, won't leave my ass alone. The NASCAR fly? I noticed he's not here. so much we got that guy's house. Yeah. Of all weeks, I thought it'd be here this week. Yeah, I figured it'd be here. I'm missing, so there was a fly in here last week.

It wouldn't leave us alone, so we said it was NASCAR. Oh, yeah. Monitoring? It was on Freddie the entire time. I took a couple swings out of it. Digital spy fly. It's the old shit eating bugs. Knowing some of the comments you make,

I bet you teams probably wish this podcast came out after Tuesday when NASCAR makes their decision on penalties. No, he's been the same since that I, since I've ran late models with him. He's been the same wise ass, smart-ass type. You want me to back that thing up? This guy's going to kick this out of you in a minute. I ain't mad at Ross Chastain.

I think he found a loophole. He took advantage of it and proved his position because he passed everybody that crashed. And I think NASCAR should let him keep it and make a new rule for next time if they didn't like it. Yeah. I have somebody. That guy was serious.

Yeah, he was. He was very matter of fact. He was very, yeah, it's Ross. He just comes with his dad's an anonymous. Nice of Ross's dad to call in, huh? We just cannot go back with that being an opportunity to be a problem. We have, we can fix it. We could have actually saw it on Saturday morning or actually Friday afternoon.

We could have saw that it was going to be tried at some point and just eliminate that opportunity. I mean, it was tried a lot on Saturday. You've got to put like a little chicane or something where you can't go through there wide open. You just got to do something to make it where you literally cannot. advance your position if you missed turn. I saw them post a clip of Austin. Like you could see everyone turn and there goes Austin speeding up. Nobody did that caught through more than Austin's doing.

He must have took it 15 times between the two races this week. Yeah, because we were working on it. We were planning it out. You look like it. We were laying rubber down. How'd that go while the way, y'all? You don't work well together? It's fine.

Yeah, he was backwards more than he was forward, but it was fun. We never spun out. I don't think we ever spun out. You didn't race another car all day. Listen. You didn't know what I've said. You ran an entire Redden Brown passed you into 47

I think. And he was never a track. He was catching. That's not true. We had break problems. That car number is one short of a good time. I'm going to tell you. He had a lot of problems.

I ain't never seen an exfinity car that slow. Jeff Burton broke his track bar and he passed you. Hey, by the garage. Did y'all see Jeff Burton? He rolls off here. He straightens his wheel like three times. Did you see that too? The best thing Jeff Burton did all weekend was rolled up in the campground

and asked somebody, did they want his hat? And he explained to him that he was a driver and he's Jeb Burton and to pull for him a day and the guy don't even get to start a fucking race. Freddie texts me, he said, I think that fan's upset. Jeb didn't start the race. Oh, he was adjusting his wheel to a broke track bar

so he'd pull up and fix it and do it again. Following social media is what gets me through the weekend. Oh, I love social media. Sorry, it cost you. 50 grand one time, Dany, but I still love it. 50? One time. I'm in this

fucking thing for six figures. Like, you wouldn't believe. A lot of trailer hitches. A lot of trailer hitches. Holy fucking Freddie Kraft. I don't know how that you coached Bubba Wallace to a top

five at a road course. But you deserve some sort of medal. Call Biden, call someone, because you need a goddamn medal, sir. Is that one of you your friends for... I don't know who that was. I thought it was Denny. I don't know. That was, well, we got sent one direction

and we just kept going one direction. That was clearly the right strategy, for sure. Yeah, it worked out well. I didn't mind it. But here's the thing, right? If we look back at that Ross situation, Ross elects not to go through turn one. And they have a complete pile up that brings out a caution. He's still going to advance

this position. He's going to be second in the running order when they throw the caution. Well, where do they put them? You can't, that's what I'm saying. You can't not open up yourself to all these different things that can have, but we have to see going into the weekend, hey, let's think, let's go stand down there at start finish line and let's walk this racetracker. Let's get in the pace car with Kittman, ride this scenario out because everything that you see that can happen may happen. Yeah. I don't understand, okay, you plan to take it. Why do you try to get so much? just get to third and then race them.

Maybe they wrecking front and you get the win. Have you met these idiots and wear these helmets every week? They don't think that way. Like, everything with Ross just is a little bit too far. Like, just pull the reins. But do you think that they should have let it slide this time and just make the rule for next time? Or wouldn't you? I don't think he could have.

I don't know. If he would have won that race. Yeah. Jeez. You know, but what happens if he wrecks Tyler Reddick? Right. Oh. Like what happens if he wrecks Tyler Reddick?

Wouldn't do that? around him. When Tyler went around his outside, I was like, holy cow, this is big. Holy car control. Holy everything. Ross Chastain might wreck him right here. He would never do that. Because Ross thinks that he's still racing. Ross has not been told like Chase Briscoe last year, hey, you're under penalty. And then Chase Briscoe still did something really stupid, knowing he was under penalty. But Ross, if he wrecks Reddick right there and Cendrick gets the win, Ross shouldn't even be there. That's my struggle with the way it went out.

And full transparency with the Bubba deal, because I've seen we were getting killed on this last knife or, you know, shortcut to course. Like, I got, I think I might even said it on Channel 2. I know I thought it. I was like, there's a this is 50-50. I don't know what the wording is because we were forced off the race track. We got drilled in the right front wheel. I don't know if you saw the picture, but I don't know how the hell we didn't get a flat in the last 10 laps. But like,

like, we were drilled off into the grass and we went straight. And I told Bubba like, slow down when you blend in here. Don't just, you know, keep digging and cut off more spots. And we blended back in and took off. And I think I got on Channel 2 and I was like, we're down the back stretch. I'm like, I don't know if I should go serve a penalty in turn 12 or not because it's a 50-50 right here. But I said, I'm just going to tell them to keep digging because let them make the call. At that point, if you stop and turn 12 anyway, you're going to be back there no matter what.

Was that on the last restart? It was the second of last restart. At that point, you're kind of lucky. That was a Ligano restart. Yeah. So, like, if Joey goes five wide and your spotter's calling four inside, you're not making that corner. You're not making it. So how is that not considered to be like forced off at that point?

You know, there's such a big. I mean, we took a shot. shot in the wheel and did not. It wasn't like we were squeezed off the racetrack. We were blasted off into the grass. You're the one that caught Bush or on fire. I did. Yeah, when you went down into one at the beginning of the race

and hit him in the door. Yeah. Oh yeah, we did blast him in turn one. Yeah. And then you forgot about that. You knocked something into the caught on fire. He was on fire. Like fire. Do you see that video? And you just stayed in the car. Yeah, what was he did? Like, I mean,

I think I might have bailed out. When they took that right side window out and there's just flame shooting out of the car. I was playing for him to get out. I saw him on the medical cart being carted off after the race. I saw a suit and I'm like, you know what? I'll be honest with you. I didn't think about the fire. I was like, damn, that's a lot of salt on his shoe.

He's sweating a lot today. I'm like, damn, he's wore down. They're molasses like a cold trickle out of days with thunder or something. As much dirt as they put on him guys like that. Just hitting this guy in the head with the fires. I'm like, what in the get out? Like, what are you doing? It was full of smoke the entire thing.

And I'm like, okay, but if you get out, you're done. Right? If you get out of the car, you're done. You can't get back in it. Like, if he got out or stood there, let them get the fire out. He can get back in. What caught on fire, but didn't keep the car from going. I don't know.

I don't know. It lacked something into the exhaust and it kept catching on fire down there doing something. Damn. Yeah. It was our fault. It was your fault. Yeah. Still top 10. We hit him really hard.

In the door. Yeah. Ross Chastain is going to look at Dave with a straight face and say, where when he asked him about trying to take the access route, I'm going to save you guys some time and go ahead and declare Ross the one idiot this week. Jesus Christ, what a fuck up. My favorite part about that interview was when Ross actually said, Dave, where Dave? Like, he called his name.

What do you mean, Dave? That wasn't playing Dave. I've heard that actually about Ross, that like he'll zone way out or hyper-focus on something and then just like... doesn't know what happens. Yeah. I spotted for him. He has no idea. After the race,

you'll ask him a question, and he'll look at you like, I don't know what you're talking about. So, like, but he did, he evidently didn't know what Dave was talking about, even though the question was pretty freaking obvious.

So just stare off and be like, where brat? I'm not sure what you're talking about. What access road? We've been going that way the whole weekend. Dear Danny, it's easy to see you.

everyone hate you Championships Long overdue Everybody knows That you're the real hack You better go cry on MJ's lap You tried to cheat with a piece of clear tape

And got caught I bet you get scared when you hear the name wrong And I don't blame the watermelon man for what he started Sure nothing but the modern day Mark Martin You're all tall

And that's a fact Because we all know We'll never pay Ross back Let me slow this down Because it's a lot to digest FedEx sucks I'm using UPS So there, Danny

Hope this song Didn't bring you pain Guess I'll leave all that up To Mr. Ross Chastain This guy's name's I'm a gym I don't think that was that jet That wasn't a fireball in now

Somebody get that guy a record deal. So we've got a guy that calls in named Jeb that actually writes some really good. Casey thought it was Jeb Burton for a while. That was a good one. Casey, why don't you have yours? Yeah. Why don't you have yours? Well, I can't because my sponsor might.

You're pregnant? Oh. That's what it is. You got one in the oven? No. Chad would need to be home for the bad to have. All right, let's move on. So, hold on, before we get back, so that was not a very nice comment.

That song that guy had there. Listen, people think they insult me by saying the modern day Mark Martin. Yeah, that's not. That guy, I mean, let me tell the public, thank you. Like, I appreciate that. I don't think I could carry his helmet. So, yeah, I'm good with that. And then he says the championship is overdue, which actually thinks he's, he thinks I'm capable.

Yeah. So, so appreciate that. I also went to some people for some, some dirt on you before the show started. And I might have talked to one of my bosses. And he said something about a dinner on, I don't know, was it a Friday or Saturday night. And did you run into Mario Andreddy? I did. And did. And did he said, he said, man, there's that cheater.

That's actually probably a compliment, too. I mean, it's Mario Andreddy, man. What are you talking about? What cheater? I did like the tweet from the Dawsonville Pool Hall deal that said they're hanging the letter up and they could use a piece of tape on the letter. That was pretty good.

What is up with the people that have a problem with my social media post playing fun with the trophy? Like, do you guys not have a sense of humor? For real. They don't. They don't. Why are you in the mail out of a box?

Why not a plate? That was takeout actually and that was one of the best fillets I ever had. From where? I forget. I'm not sure. We'll talk after, don't we're. Yeah, I'm not sure we're.

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We dive into the latest happenings in IndyCar, NASCAR, and F1 every week, as well as life on and off the track. Speed Street is available now on all major podcasting platforms. And make sure to follow us on Twitter and Instagram at Speed StreetPod. Time for the AskDBC Offerpad question of the week. Send in your questions on Twitter each week using hashtag AskDBC and we'll answer the best ones. This one is from General underscore Green 5. Would you rather the Cup series run the Indy Road course again?

the indie Oval or IRP in 2023. Oh, I know the answer to this. Are you serious? Yep. We had bring back the Oval trending on Twitter. Yeah.

It's not even quick. Listen, I just You might be the wrong person to ask. If you want demolition cars and that is your thing and you just love the crashes and stuff, bring it oval, I mean the road course all day long.

If you want like prestige, it's the oval. I don't care how many people are sitting in the stands. It's the Oval. And for what I saw, the stands are the exact same on the road course as it is on the Oval. So what, I mean, what are we even talking about here? We took a major away from our sport. I mean, the only reason we never, the Indianapolis Motor Speedway was built for Indy cars.

And our races were never good there. You know what I mean? We only reason that it was a major was because it was the Indianapolis Motor Speedway and it was the Oval, the same track you run the Indy 5. on. And now you've taken that away. You know, you've taken all the mystique away from that venue by running the road course. I mean, we've heard guys say it in the past. Like, I wish I won on the roadcour. I wish I won on the Oval, but this is cool, you know, and you still hear it. I would love to be an indie, but it's, you know, not the same. But I mean, I don't think you can go to IRP.

I think that you 100% should take the trucks and Xfinity to IRP next year. But yeah, I think just if you're going to, I've said it on here multiple times. I'm in favor of when we're talking about which track Chicago is going to replace. If you're going to just run the road course, I'd rather just wipe Indy off the schedule and go somewhere, you know, keep Road America. But, you know, if we're not going to be on the Oval, I don't see any reason to be there. I don't think IRP can afford to pay the sanctioning fees to NASCAR to get the Xfinity Series back.

That's a problem. I would love to see the Cup cars at IRP in an All-Star-Ty weekend. I think we limit capacity to whatever their capacity is, the $10-15,000. We bring in some of those awesome bleachers that Hy-V brought into Iowa for the IndyCar race. And put on a hell of a show. And put on one hell of a show. And I swear to y'all, I'm not lying to you, I would do it the night before the Indy 500. Because everybody's already in town and we could have the biggest damn party in the world.

And then the next day let all of our drivers, all of our industry people, go experience the Indy 500. We can spot the NEP 500. I don't want to spot it. No. Brett for president. Yeah. Yeah. So, but I am with Denny. I do want to see this.

listen, I got a ring from the brickyard. It's the inaugural road course race last year. I didn't do a fucking to earn it. AJ did all the work. But I personally would rather have a ring from the Oval. Yeah, I thought we were going to get a ring one year, 10 laps at a time on them tires. You're the problem.

Then we blew a tire leading. I mean, let me ask you this. Are any of the media outlets talking about, you know, Tyler Redick just won a major? No. No, because it's not a major anymore. It used to be a crown jewel. Indy was a crown jewel.

And it didn't matter if you got beat. If you went there in one indie, you, if you lost, I don't care. You didn't mind getting your ass you did any because you were racing. If you got beat, you got beat. It was just that race. I mean, I don't mind going there. And if somebody beats us, they beat us. They earned it.

The only thing that people are talking about right now, not being a crown jewel event, just the bricks because of its tradition. We're going the wrong way on them. Well, not you most time. That's a good point. I mean, I mean, I came into this podcast today thinking I'm going to, going to have to just eat so much humble pie. I'm Kyle Bush right now.

Because it's true, and I got just no rebuttal. So Rogers already said that we're staying on the road course next year. Do you think that maybe things will change after yesterday's race? No. What if we found a slower package to where you could actually utilize the long straightaways and get around and make a pass? I mean, that one, the year they went to that one deal with Xfinity, I felt like it made it a little bit better.

Remember they slowed the Xfinity cars? I mean, it was still five miles an hour too fast. You need to be able to get a big enough run to make a pass, but we don't need to be doing 210. You can do it at 170 still. It doesn't, I mean. I don't know the answer to this question. Dini Mae, when you say, when Roger Penske comes, which Roger Penske does whatever he wants anyway,

but if he says, we're running the road course next year, is that his decision? Is that his decision? Like, where does that come? Like, when Marcus Smith says, hey, we're not running this big track anymore. We're going to run the roval. Like, can he just do whatever the hell he wants? I mean, they have the date, right? So, I mean, I think it's strictly economics and timing, right?

They can't convert the Indy cars to one track and us to the other. You know, we had back to back. They had a warm-up session. We had practice, right? So it's just they can't differentiate the two. It just takes time to set up the track. But, you know, I think that we just had this infatuation with road courses over the last couple of years. And we got so many on our schedule now, like, what the hell are we doing on the roval?

in Charlotte. I agree. It's a parking lot. Like, let's get out of there. Like, it's just, especially after the race we saw in the 600, there's no reason. They got,

they put the roval on the schedule because the racing on the oval was so bad. It's going to be vice versa. So they need to go back to the oval the way it should be. I mean, and the last race said it was good. Courses on the schedule.

That's enough. Like give people a little bit of everything. You got a street course coming in. Do your arena race for the, for the, which was awesome. I agree. All of it is really good for our sport, but it's just, we got to be good at. We are short track, overracing, fender to fender type racing. Like, we're not MSA. We know we got, we got to just

stay in our own lane and be good at what we're, what we are. Oh, speaking of arena cars, you crewed on that one too for me a little bit. Remember that? Listen, I'm not afraid to just start from the bottom. Hey, how much fun was did you have fun doing that stuff? I loved it. It's like a little Bristol. I mean, yeah, I mean, I had so much fun. I always said like, generally speaking, when I was working on cars and putting on trailer hitches and shit, like I, you know, we got, you know, Dale came and bought TJ's trailer from our trailer shop in Chesterfield. That's awesome.

Like, I loved my job. I'm not kidding you. I loved getting up every morning and going to work at my dad's trailer shop. He literally showed up there. Chesterfield trailer, it's Dennis. I mean, I'll never forget it. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it's just my dad.

had back issues. So he, you know, I'm 17, 18 years old out on the, you know, the work program at school where you get out and you only go for about two hours of school every day and then you go to work. And so I just was like, I loved going to work working on. And that's what actually made me start this race team is during COVID. I was like, man, I think I'm just going to start another trailer shop or you know what? Maybe I'll start a car dealership or something. So I started talking to Twitter about how you can I buy some car dealerships? That way I know I wanted to run a business. didn't know what I wanted it to be. And then all of a sudden, LFR went out of business. I'm like, oh, wait a minute. I see an opportunity here. And so I just kind of took it because I knew I wanted to be

owning a business, running a business. I just didn't know what it was. And it turned out to be a business that, you know, about a sport I know something about. Be cool. This next one is from Heather underscore Riggs. And this one is for Denny. Between Freddie, T.J. and Brett, who would you choose to be your spotter, crew chief, and pit crew member for the championship race. I actually remember this girl. Man. This is a tough one, right? They say pick crew member?

I know which while I'm not getting. Man. Listen, I think all these guys are very good with what they do. They haven't been in this sport because they stink, that's for sure. I'll just guess I'll go with the championship pedigree. I'll go with TJ. I just feel like, you know. For what?

Well, you know, he's really good. I know, I know, I know, I get it. But like, you know. Sorry, Fred. I'm really sorry. Everyone he's spotted with on the Super Speedways has been really good. He's very good with his information. You know, what we require out of a spotter, especially on Super Speedways, you got to paint us a picture.

Because I don't have time to check my mirrors, check my side mirror, all that. You've got to paint me a picture of what's going on behind me. It's up to me to kind of figure out what that is. But I think that T. does a good job of that. Now, I don't know. I mean, I might have, Freddie I need is my mechanic

and I'll take Brett as my crew chief. I think it's funny that. You're spotter. Totally. Your spotter that works for you. It's not the spotter. I don't spot for him though. Although, although, I mean, put the,

that's what I want to see. I want to see an all-star arc a team. T.J's a spotter. There you go. Brett's the crew chief. And Freddie's the mechanic. Who's driving you? I don't know if I trust Freddie to put that car together

and then something falling apart Brett which one's the offer pad question of the week I think TJ's the all-star spotter got to give it a TJ so Heather Riggs right yeah congrats to Heather Riggs for having this week's offer pad questions the week it's time for us to get into our favorite

X-Fi more than fast moment from this week. Whether you're behind the wheel or online, speed isn't the only thing you need. So what were your more than fast moments this week? And I will go with Brett first.

My Xfinity X-5, more than fast moment, comes from the Xfinity series. AJ Almendanger is proven to be the best road course driver in the series right now. Obviously, and I'm going to go another step farther,

I think he's the best road course driver in the sport. I mean, to go, he's side by side for the win yesterday with Reddick coming to the final restart. It ends up finishing 7th after getting into Blaney incident. But I mean, when you look at how fast he is as a driver, I don't think anybody's beating him.

Ready. My X-Finity X-5, more than fast moment, I'll have to go to Tyler Redick. I just thought he did a flawless race yesterday. He was the only really car that, you know, you've seen some guys stay out strategy-wise and kind of hold the lead for a while. Tyler was the only one that consistently kind of got back to the front, no matter what strategy he was on. So I just thought he did a really good job yesterday.

like we said, he's probably the only one that can be proud of their performance. My X-Finity X-5, more than fast moment. I'm going to split it between Todd Gilland and Harrison Burton for surviving an attrition race and learning that if you big picture race and just stay out of trouble, you can finish a lot better in some of these things. So credit to them guys for running a smart race and staying out of the trouble and getting top fives. You want to pick one? Yeah.

You know, gosh, you stole mine. I thought it was going to be out of the blue, but I was going to go with the three. but I was going to go with Todd Gittalind. Just simply because I think he, this is the first race he raced up front with legit guys. And he was not afraid to be aggressive and take advantage. Like he did a really good job. I noticed on restart.

He didn't overdo it. No, he didn't. And he just, he knew he had a fast car and he just didn't, he didn't get bullied by, by the elder statesman of the series. He took his position and he, He got the most out of his car on that day. He looked like Todd last year in the truck series

where he was just finishing races, finishing him off. I actually, Todd is really impressed to me in the sense of like, he kind of got beat down a little bit at KBM and whatnot, but I think he's come, he's researched himself. I really think that, you know, he's got a bright future.

And certainly I think, you know, I'm very high on him and certainly his prospects of being good in this series for a long time. His teammate supposed to be the rogue guy? Well, I mean, and you talk about that, and you wonder how much that's helped him. You know, we've seen AJ up the level of his teammates, a colleague, you know, all of a sudden, Justin Haley was a decent plate racer.

I mean, a road course racer. Jabby, I know he helped Jeb. You know, he helps everybody. And those cars have been fast. We saw him get a big penalty last week. But, you know, the 34 has been pretty quick this year. And you wonder, and Todd is also good. I mean, I remember the truck road course races.

He was always up front. But, you know, a teammate like that can only help you. Here on Doorbrop Clear being more than fast as a way of life. Thankfully, there's plenty of weekly. action for our Xfinity X-Fi more than fast moments. You know what else is more than fast? X-Fi. With the speed for all your devices, you get the reliability and security that keeps your crew connected and protected. With Xfinity X-Fi, you can do more of what you love with faster internet and a powerful and secure connection. Follow at Xfinity racing on Twitter for

even more Xfinity X-Fi more than fast moments. And Casey, don't forget to vote for your favorites. Thank you to Xfinity, proud premier partner of NASCAR. What an idiot. Brett. Oh, good Lord. Who wins this week? one idiot word. Yourself? I am going to give it. Denny's already gave it to me. I know.

I got to give it to Joy Lugano because he's the one who started the next to last wreck. He's the one that maybe we don't have that last wreck where Ross cheats the course. I was mad when I saw Joy Lagano go five or six wide and at an angle that I didn't think

he was going to be able to literally be outside of the curbing, which to me was out of bounds. So I'll give him my, what an idiot. Ready. T.J. might have paid me off to Do that. I'll just pat you on the back. I agree.

You forced stuff and you wrecked cars. I had a couple. I told Tyler Courtney, I was giving it to him because he said fast time and drove by the scales the other night, but now he's arguing the fact that he didn't do anything wrong.

So I'll hold off my reserve on that. Well, you already said it. Oh, yeah, I guess so. First bring to race. So, first of all, whoever didn't anchor their tent down and turn one and ended up on the race track was probably an idiot.

How about the Air Force trailer? Yeah, but that was my, My go-to is going to be the guy that tried to take the Air Force trailer out of the tunnel on the front straightaway and ripped the roof off with the tunnel. Clearly says it's like seven feet tall or something like that. Really wanted out. I mean, he missed it by that much. Not to mention, on the top of the trailer, back further, there was so an ACU. So it wasn't going to make it.

I've got a whole list here. I've got it. I mean, there's a list this week. TJ's taking my answer again. It's probably on here. Did Danny, do you want to go first then? Yeah, go ahead, actually. Everybody from third to 20th is an idiot.

We're all idiots. That's a pretty big blanket. And I, again, we're talking about this on our group channel. I was like, who's responsible for this? And I said, any idiot believes that they should gain one, six spots in the first turn is a freaking idiot. So nobody took credit for it. If you think you can gain six spots, you're the a . . . . . . you are the one. My favorite.

at Wednesdays, Thursdays of a week or when I talked to some of my driver buddies and they go, man, Danny's fired up in the group chat this while. What were the responses? What did they say? Anybody? They agreed.

Yeah. 100%. They all agree now. And I'll say this. The guilty parties did not like the message. 30 likes. Not as there are six that were missing. What is you cut that off at 20th?

Yeah. We finished 21st. That's pretty cool. Yeah, I got a hole. I got J.H. WTF, the battering ram, in the two, Ross, WTF, BSDQ, 22, the dirt tornado. It's kind of cool.

What's a BSDQ? What's getting, don't penalize anybody all weekend and then, oh, no, you can't do it. NASCAR, you call it, wow, you call NASCAR an idiot. That's big for you. No, I'm just saying like the whole, the whole door. You're riding solo in that trailer this week, bud. Listen, man, I didn't say that. I'm just saying the situations that come up from.

You guys listening? I didn't say that. I'm going to change that to Ross cutting the course. What an idiot. Hey, do you see Shelton? Sheldron Hodden. She'll throw his helmet on the track? No, I didn't see that.

To bring out of yellow. He spun out and spun down to the inside. They didn't throw yellow. So he got out and threw his helmet on the track. And he threw the yellow. And then he gave the Tower of the Bird all the way out. They went Willpower. Well, his, uh, the pusher on the, on the floor.

They had a hell of a week. Because I've seen another video where the flag man's like, Donnie, did you see me spotting for you? Like, did you see? I was telling you how close he was. I was like the flagman spot for 90 shots last night. That's the first though to throw a helmet on the track for a yellow. But one thing that I have a question about is,

so the nine has some damage in the Xfinney series, right? Did you see his left front? Left front, yeah. And they made him pit. Didn't they make him pit? I don't know that they made him pit. I don't remember that. I thought they...

I mean, it was falling off, so they might have made him pick because the left front, the splitter, the nose was busted, like split in half. So you can't have a nose falling off, but you can have a tail falling off? Yeah. mean. Yeah, the nine cup car is not looked at the same as a nine Xfinity car. It's what TJ is saying.

I don't know if they made a pit. I think he might have just come in. I mean, it's in a bad spot for sure. But I saw someone say something like he was forced to pit, but I don't know the answer to that. Let me ask you this. Do you think that they need to know? No.

NASCAR's right. NASCAR's great. We saw a lot of commitment line violations with the guys hitting the curb. Like, is that on the drivers or is that on the placement of the cone? It's not a cone. It's a square or square or whatever. Yeah, I don't know. We were talking about that.

Like, what does it matter if you're on the, not cutting through the grass? Yeah, you're committing. Yeah, you're committing at that corner. It was, it was. They got to draw the line somewhere, right? But does it need to be on the rumble strip? I, yeah, I don't know. Why isn't on the curb?

You hit curbs all the way around the track. That's what I'm saying. The 22 is inside the curb on the front. I feel like it should be on the racetrack outside of like, you know, right there. I mean, it's a stupid question. I mean, you can paint an orange box on the grass. Yeah. Like, we should have a commitment cone, actually.

That was the thing. We would wipe. What are you talking about? We'd wipe that. thing out and that is absolutely true. But out, even if you, who cares if you hit the cone right there? It's an access road. You're gonna.

Yeah, you're committed. Painting on the grass. If you get, if you clit the grass, you're out. Yeah, who cares right there? You're not really gaining anything. All right. Time for DBC picks. Congratulations, TJ.

You won it indie with Halloretic. Brett. Denny, you can pick last because your pick doesn't matter. Jason, Jason picked Ricky Stenhouse Jr. Boy, the ball's on you, but hey, he was at one point. running 12th. I'm like, I forget who a round's picked, but he's in 12th on a road course. Oh, that's probably because everybody pitted. And just so you know, you're trying to win this, right?

It was a strategic pick, so I pick first this week. Oh, I get to you. Hey, by the way, I think he got you an excellent result. So I think that does really good. Now, Denny, being that you run the, the golf guys tour book, I picked Danny Hamlin to win Pocono, and they have stripped me up the win. No. Yes. I mean, I thought Vegas pays off Sportsbook would pay up. Not me. Not me. You better back.

If Mario Andretti calls you a cheater, you do not get credit for that. But a Vegas sportsbook would pay you if you bet Danny to win a race. They paid two winners. Danny, you also wrecked the driver I had. I had Ross last week. We established that last week. We said he didn't wreck Ross on this show. The whole panel of spotters agree.

You didn't make it easy for him to go do well. Dale Jr. down last. I was going to ask you. What did you think about that? Well, first of all, I loved his call in to you last week. I texted him.

That was the first conversation I texted. I was like, dude, the call in, the surprise call in saying, what do you think? Did he get him? Like, that was good. And then when he got in this with Mike,

I won't, well, I'll say this to Dale. I says, I distinguish a winner. between his and Mike's argument. I won't say which side. That's my .

Yeah. Really? You know, listen, this story is TBD. No, wait a minute. TB continued? Continued, yeah. TBC. Yeah.

So what did you think about their argument? Think it was good? Yeah. Junior was a little Miff that morning for sure, afternoon. He was, he didn't want to, boy, when he got asked for examples, he didn't like that at all.

Well, you're just trying to derail my thought process. Right. I mean, I stand by the... I think what he called us, he was really expecting, like, oh, no, we were with you. When he said, no, we all said he didn't do anything. Really? I can tell you this.

That weekend for me was about the most perfect weekend until three and a half hours after the race. I said that here. I said, what a story. Holy cow. It couldn't have been any better until it was over. Even my mama was proud. For our show purposes, I was really,

disappointed how gentle you were. I could really have used for you to go down there and just ship him. The net result, the net result though was, you know, as, uh, yeah, oh yeah,

obviously, obviously, I'm gonna stay in it. Well, I just like to point out that you guys all keep saying I suck at these picks. You do. I literally got second. Who,

Austin Cindrick was a great pick this week. Not really. I mean, he was a good pick. A great one would have won. Well, I already took Tyler. Police Navid.

is the reason why he got second. And the one time I picked Larson, he wrecks. Listen, I'm looking at these picks, right? She wants a participation show. Guys, like, you're picking all the good guys early. You got to pick the good guys later because you know if they're in the playoffs, they're going to run up front. We get a reset.

We reset. We reset just like you guys reset. Look at my 500 pick. Oh, my gosh. Oh, wow. Look at you, TJ. So do you all have a running total or just who wins that week? Just who wins that week?

Who wins that week? Yeah, and there's a total is up. At the top. Yeah. Oh, how many wins you have? The highest finisher wins the race. Yeah. Oh, we got a tie up top.

So Brett and Jason have six wins. It should be a tie, but I was screwed last week. So was I. Can you pick the same person as someone else? No. If they're in gray, we can't pick them again. No, you can't pick the same as somebody else. So you can pick whoever you want at the end, but we're going to go through our rundown.

By the way, I want you to look down my list and tell me where my wins are. Thanks for that. You got it. Thank you. I appreciate you. Thank you. So, Freddie, you are in second with five wins. DJ third and I'm lost.

Casey, have you picked where you're taking us a dinner yet or? Absolutely. We're going to stay 44. I am going to start a go. We got to find out where that's fillet who came from. I'm going to start to go fund me for this dinner. So if anybody would like to donate to the cause, Denny, you'll be invited. Not until you take this shot of fireball.

I will after the show. Jason. Hey, if you take the shot of fireball, we'll give you an extra win right now. Me? Oh, yes. I was going to say, Casey. Oh, yeah. If you do the fireball.

right now. Yeah, nobody gets free reigns. And then I'll get fired. You don't get fired. You don't have to drunk. You're not like employed. Are we going to? You don't have a job.

You mean she gets paid? Just wait. Just my other, my job. She had a choke around last week. Just waiting to talk to the show. We won't let. Right.

You know me and you were the only one to actually pick winners. Me and you each have two wins. Jason, who's your pick? I'm picking Kyle Bush. Oh. There you go. There you go.

I was saving this for Kurt, but I don't think I could pick Kurt. Um, no. Does Ty count? Does Ty count for her? But I don't think I would pick. Okay.

I just picked a 45 car. Who's ever driving it? Uh, I will take Bill Byron. Brett. Bubba Wallace. He's been fast. It's time to close a deal.

Oh. I is. Who's up? Me. Oh. Jesus. Good luck. Between two.

I'll go with Toyara Toyota Well I don't know if you have any left I don't have any Toyota's left at this point

What about a Port No No? No. It's their home track Yep, again pick them

You're right Please That's why you have two wins Go ahead She tried to pick a guy The dates on a 500 It wasn't even in the dates On the 500

I didn't know We were participating Can't Barney Roble those scars, by the way. I didn't know we were participating. Oh, I'm gonna... Just pick somebody. Fine. I'll take...

I'll take Bowman. That's a good pick. He's on a run. He's on a roll. Yeah, he just has really sucky look. Yeah, that's a good pick then. I mean, um... I'd like to, you know, go ahead and say the jinks is over with Tyler because normally

whoever I pick just has a really bad day. Yeah, it's now on me. I really think Tyler should take over. remember Jason White what we used to call him? Jay Motherfucking White. I'm going to start calling Tyler Redick. Tyler. Jay Mother fucking White also told me he was better than Denny.

So now I know two people that told me they're better than Denny Hamlin. How sober was he when he said this? Jay Mother White, I've never seen him so. So he's my neighbor and I don't think I've seen him in like three years. So hopefully he's still never heard him not refer to himself into, what is that, third person? Third person. We need to bring Jay White on this show. Oh, God, now.

Do you want Jay White or Jay Mothernard? Oh, God. Oh, Jay, Mother-Boh. You're not going to be able to do it at 930 in the morning. No. No. No. I'd like to thank Ty, Mother Reddick, on the win here.

But I'm going to go with Daniel Suarez. Okay. Worres. Good. Yeah. I got a, I don't have a lot of good picks left, and I feel like the 99 will be. Who'd you pick? Oh, Bubba.

Who you think is going to win a race? Other than you. Can't pick yourself. Calbush. He's on a mission. Extra motivated. Extra, extra, Jason wears his underwear.

That's cap. Cap. I don't even still don't know what I'm assuming he's, but I don't know what we're off to Michigan, Denny. We've been talking about, you've been talking about coming on here for months. There were a couple Mondays where you're like, man,

thank God it's not this Monday. I think that's why you just laid low yesterday. Did he lay low? Yeah, I knew that, you know, I just needed my own business and run the track I wanted run. That's what John Hunter's running right now. He's running the track he wants to run.

Oh, we appreciate you. You got to come back. We'll do. All right. Thank you. Yeah, I appreciate it. One topic we didn't cover. TJ, will Denny be in the Hall of Fame on his first ballot? Oh, yeah. Oh, well, who's he up against? You know what? That's a good question. I'm going to make sure I retire in the exact year. You got to strategically place this out. That is something that Denny would literally do.

I got to hang out one more year. Hey, before we do go, you know, this is more related to DJD than us, but Dillner's leaving. Yeah. I don't know. Jason, you wanted to say anything nice about Dillner because I'm sure he's taught you everything you know by now. I wrote a little something. Did you really? Oh.

I thought you did. It looks like your contract. It does look exactly like my contract. Jason's like, hey, before you go to bed. But listen, Dillner, I know Dillner helped us a lot. I mean, Dillner's helped Dirty Moe in general a lot. he's one of my good friends for many years. We both come from Long Island.

I've known him pretty much my whole life. But old MD, I was listening to Cry on Dale's show last week was fun. But yeah, he's awesome. And good luck to him with, I don't know, does he announce to what he's doing? Yeah, he's going to flow. Great dude, great work ethic. Do anything in the world for you, personally or professionally. And listen, he helped mold DirtyMod DirtyMov Media into something special from an AV perspective

because we didn't have all these tools when T.J. and I started doing this five years. ago. So big shout out to Matthew. Wish him the best. Going to miss him. He's been more involved on the NASCAR side. I think even with NASCAR productions and other things than people realize. Yeah, he's found a lot of racetracks that I thought were like wild game trails. Definitely an icon.

Pretty cool. We will miss you. Yeah, thanks Matthew. All right. We'll see you guys after Michigan. Thanks for listening. Have a great week. Yeah. Check out Dirty Moe Media on YouTube, Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram. Dirty Mo!