Door Bumper Clear - 27 - The Fog Has Lifted And Now We Go Road Racing

Episode Date: August 2, 2016

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You will not be able to repeat it to your kids, but you will learn and you will laugh. Door, bumper, clear is on. Hey, everybody. I'm T.J. Major, Spire of the 88 Cup car, 7XFinity and 29 trucks. and the only one joining me in studio today other than producer Josh. Hey guys, it's KB. And on the road today is... Brett Griffin still in Pocono.

Hala. Right now, Brett is sitting in a heart-shaped hot tub on his cell phone. Doing the podcast. Yeah. Next to a heart-shaped bed. I've had so much fun up here. I don't want to leave, man. I love it.

Yeah. You and me both. So we want to thank Exalta for having this awesome studio for us to do this in. Yeah, and speaking of Exaltta, don't forget to head over to the revamped Exaltor Racing.com to get all the latest news, photos, and race schedule for Dale's number 88 Exaltta Chevrolet. And also we want to thank One Main for being a huge part of this and giving us the opportunity to really make this all happen and bring this show to you guys and have fun. Hey, I know that I know T.J. knows Brad Little.

Kristen, do you know who Brad Little is? I do. All right. Well, Brad calls me the other week and he's like, man, Kristen's got a great voice for radio. Like, I think she could, I think she could make a career out of this. He didn't say anything about me and T.J.

And we're the two guys that are supposed to be carrying this version show. Well, she does have a face for radio. Yeah, you knew that one's coming. You're such a jerk. So Brad Little, for those that don't know, he drives Casey Cain's bus, and he binge listened the whole way home from Kentucky. You know, basically he left Kentucky Speedway in the middle of the night and drove all the way home, straight home.

So to stay awake, he listened to the door bumper clear. So obviously, we did a good job of keeping him entertained. But I think he was somewhat obsessed, Kristen, with your voice. So if you've got his number, maybe just call him and leave more voicemail every now. Yeah. Maybe you could, maybe you're like the Morgan Freeman of women. Wow. That's a compliment, really.

I love Morgan Freeman. He can narrate anything. Awesome, yeah. Yeah, maybe that's you. Maybe you can narrate stuff. That's funny. Yeah, so we... Pocono boys.

Yesterday, and I said the Pocono 400 now stands for 400 hours of Pocono, not for the number of miles we're trying to race around here. Yeah, that was... We were there a long time, and granted, NASCAR made the right calls all weekend, really. I mean, I think so anyway. It rained not long. I mean, when they called it, it was...

It was a storm getting... ready to hit there. And that would have really said it back. I think there was some disconnect between the PA guys and the fans, you know, because the fans are looking at the same thing TJ and I were looking at, which on Sunday afternoon was a dry racetrack. And I think we're up there going, hey, what's taking so long? Well, we know that it's because of the weepers that were in turn one and turn three.

And that's a dreaded word in our sport. And I think maybe the PA guys didn't have as much info and insight as we had to pass along to the fans because the fans were booing and chanting and then all kinds of crazy stuff, which I completely get, man. I've been to sporting events where I was frustrated, but I think there may have been a little bit of a disconnect between the PA guys and communicating that kind of stuff to the fans.

TJ will tell you, we hate to hear the word weeper, man. Yeah, you know, that's just part of, it's part of something you deal with and you go there, and it's not necessarily a bad thing. It's just a product, that's what you get when you have older racetrack sometimes, and it's part of it. You know, I'd almost deal with, I would rather deal with weepers

than have a repay and everyone race around the, bottom. So it's one of our fast-linked questions, but we might as well talk about it now. Do you guys want to explain what weepers are to people who don't know what you guys are talking about? Yeah, I mean, weepers are when it rains real hard and it rains for, you know, rains for a day or so, and the ground is just so wet. Every time, you know, in the water, there's little cracks in the pavement. And when the, you know, they weep out, you know, regularly. But when you also put cars over it, it pushes down on the ground around it and pushes more water out. So when it rains and the ground gets real soggy, this water has to escape.

I mean, that's kind of my definition. What do you think, Brett? Yeah, for sure. I think the question becomes, what can these tracks do to prevent weepers? When we look at a place like Pocono, yes, it's an older racetrack, but it's relatively new in terms of the asphalt. I mean, it's been repaid within the last seven or eight years. So what can you do to prevent a weeper from happening?

It's not the first time it's rained up here at Poconos. So my suggestion is, after heavy rains, these track operators need to be able to be able to to be going out and looking at their racetrack and figuring out if there's things they can do to alleviate the pressures around where the wepers are occurring. When you look at yesterday, we had a ton of rain Sunday night, some rain Monday morning. Yesterday we had zero weepers because they went in on Sunday afternoon and Sunday evening and cut holes in the track and lines in the track to help the water drain from where those weepers were coming from.

So the tracks, in my opinion, need to get a little bit more proactive so that the fans don't have to sit there and look at weepers to only come back to next day they're all gone because somebody took action. I think that some of these places were being really reactive to it. We went to Kentucky a few years ago. We sat through Weepers for two straight days before the repave there. So I feel like there's probably some small things these guys can do. It's just they don't really think about it until 100,000 people show up at 40 race teams.

Yeah, I'm not really sure you can really fix a weeper either, by the way. Because to me, if you cut it, that's a future weeper. You know what I mean? You're cutting a hole right now, but that's just going to make it. Could that make it worse down the road the next time it rains or hard? Is that going to be a bigger weeper? Yeah, I don't know, man. I just know that we've come here before, and they dug up turn three after a heavy night of rain,

and they fix some drainage issues. And obviously a weeper is ultimately a drainage issue, and it seems like when the sun comes out, it really draws out moisture out of the ground and onto the racing surface. And when you watch these guys go up with a skill saw and basically cut a line to alleviate the pressure and allow the water to drain, it helps. I mean, when we looked at Sunday, the weper's, we couldn't even get the cars out of the garage because that's how bad the weepers were. And then yesterday, we had no weepers with the same amount of rainfall.

So I think there's some engineering things. I'm not a civil engineer. I don't claim to be one. But I certainly would like to hear from track presidents and track operators as to what they do when we're not there to really look at them. Because it's almost like they don't pay attention until it matters. Yeah. And Brett, you said something on Twitter, I think, about looking at the location. of the racetrack and like the season of the year, you know?

Was that year? Yeah, man. And I thought you, when you brought up Twitter, I thought you were going to bring up something I said about Hillary Clinton. So I'd go there. And I think that's something that Josh has gotten to show for us to discuss, too, is they're looking at start times, and they're looking at moving all of them back for next year,

and they've already kind of announced it. And when you look at a track like Pocono, we call this race on Sunday at 255. The race next year won't even be scheduled to take the green until 320. So you presumably could call the race before it's even scheduled to start. I think when you look at some of these rainy markets, potentially rainy markets like Michigan can be, like Pocono can be. And oh, by the way, those are large tracks, which means they take a long time to drive. They're also large tracks with no lights.

So you're really putting the fan and the sport in jeopardy in terms of being able to actually have the event on the day it's scheduled just based solely on the start time and where you're at market wise. Yeah, I mean, it's some of these, like Brett said, some of these, they're big tracks. So, I don't know. I mean, I'm all for what's best for, you know, the people that are going to be watching that are entertained. You know, if, you know, I don't necessarily like the later start. But if it's what people, what accommodates to people at home a little bit more, I'm okay an hour or two later. Are those start times based on feedback from fans, or was that purely unilateral from NASCAR? I think it's by TV ratings and stuff when they, I think that's what it is.

Brett probably knows way more about this than I do. I think Del Jr. hit it on the head with his tweet. I think they're spinning the wheel and trying new things. I'll tell you this. Alan Bestwick told me years ago when ABC ESPN had the broadcast that for the Xfinity series, he didn't not specify this for the Spring Cup series, but for the Xfinity series, the later they can start that race in the day,

the higher the ratings are. That was proven back then. Now, clearly some things can change. I think the summertime, you're throwing a curveball when you say, you know, hey, let's really focus on later start times because to me, summertime's afternoon, late afternoon, people have things to do,

dinners to go to. I was a big fan of going to church as a kid, going to Grandma's house at 1230. The race was coming on, and they were going to start racing, you know, and during the summer, I think earlier is better, but, you know, where they're coming up with these kinds of things, TV definitely has a huge voice in it.

NASCAR has a voice in it. And let's be honest, man, the fans that are on Twitter are mostly about things. They're not telling us how great the sport is. Fans are fussing. You know, I send out a tweet. I'll get 100 people, you know, fussing about something and one saying, man, that's great.

You know, it's like everybody on Twitter wants to argue and be pessimistic as crap. Oh, Twitter's just a place for people to go complain about... Yeah. You know, I don't... I used to do the same thing. I used to do the... You knew the race was at 1 o'clock, basically, every Sunday.

No matter what back then, it was like almost given. You know, you guarantee there was a race at 1. Now it seems like it's... You don't even know really when it's going to start. Honestly, it's a different... We don't know when it's going to start. You're right. We have no clue. You've got to look at the schedule each week and kind of figure it out.

But, I don't know. But, you know, if it's better at 2 or 3 o'clock, you know, I said right about does shorten the window up. So especially when you get to these bigger tracks and the time changes and it gets darker earlier, you've got to, if you get a rain shower, you're really, and there's no lights, you're kind of, kind of setting your, you're kind of making your bed pretty early. Okay, you being so positive. I think it goes back to what we even talked about on previous shows.

It's more changes. And these changes at some point have to stop. I'm an NFL fan. I know they're going to kick at 1 o'clock. They're going to kick at 4 o'clock, and they're going to have a night game, and they're going to have a Monday night game. I don't have to wonder when I can watch football. you know so I feel like the TJ's point we used to all know it was 1 o'clock

well now we don't even know when it is we've got to look at our schedules to know what time we're going to be there just the other week they were like yeah we're racing at 3 and I'm like 3 3 o'clock Eastern they're like yeah I was like oh I'd have been there two hours too early you know like it's stuff for us to keep up with it sometimes it is agreed we'll be in the garage and be like what times the race today what are we at next we're idiots

Busher wins rookie spot on spot off Oh, we didn't talk about that? No. Oh, I'm skipping it. You guys were just talking for... I want Chris to get out of the care center. Yeah. Congratulations for making two consecutive shows.

I did it. Two in a row. And I wasn't in the care center in Iowa. It's great. Yeah. All right, what you got? Spot on, spot off. Fog brings out the red flag.

Spot on to me. You can't... I mean, it was bad fog. You guys see that rolling in? Yes, it's like a huge wall rolling in over turn one and down the backstretch. Spot on for the red flag. I didn't realize, you don't realize how important seeing your car is

until you can't see it. Did you not think that, Brett? Yeah, man, I'm spot off though because Mother Nature can kiss my ass, man. I'm tired of her and what she's got going all with us. I don't know why she's mad at us, but she better get over it. But yeah, man, I couldn't see. I told Clint, I was like, hey, man, I can't really see you for the first half of Lumpin straightaway. And he's like, oh, yeah, you can.

You're just BS and I'm like, no, I really can't. And he comes back around. He's like, man, I can't see the infield. And I was like, I told you I couldn't see you. And then next thing you know, we're all looking at the tower because this is one of the places where the spotters can actually see the tower, which means the tower can see us. That's where Mike Hilton, David Hoots, Richard Buck, these guys that are calling the racetrack.

We're all jumping up and down going, we can't see the racetrack. And we couldn't. No, I actually told Jeff one time, I said, all right, you're clearing one. I'll see you when you get to three. because that, I mean, you literally couldn't see him when they got to the middle of one, and then they would pop back up right before they got into three. And I literally told them that one time. I mean, I look, hey, you're clear into one, you know, I'll see you when you get to three.

And he asked me one time if there was any safety trucks on the long straightaway. I'm like, I love the answer to that, man, but there is absolutely no way that I can see that. It was pretty thick. And I think T.J. and I selfishly want to be able to see the racetrack. But from race control standpoint, they can't. allow the race to go on because they can't see the racetrack. If a wreck happens, one, they can't see it. Two, they can't dispatch safety equipment and know that they're sending out an ambulance

and a fire truck and it not be in danger with another competitor out there on the track. So we have our personal concerns from a spotting standpoint. But the tower itself, they can't allow a race to go on in those conditions because they can't see for a safety standpoint to take care of a guy if he gets in an accident. It's a bad deal. Yeah, and I'm not sure how thick it was inside the fog either, but if you're back there running maybe 15th-20th or something and the couple guys racing for second or third

or something into the tunnel turn, I don't know if you would have an early enough warning to get slowed down in time for it to be safe. I'm not sure how thick it was in it. But, you know, I literally could have got out when after Clint went into one yesterday, and it takes about under green 30, 35 seconds to get back near turn three. I could have got my cell phone out and check my messages

because I had zero visibility of what he was doing. It was bad. Yeah, I couldn't. I mean, you literally, and you don't, there's a, being a spotter, you see your car every lap all weekend, every corner, and then when somebody takes away three quarters of the racetrack, I mean, you kind of feel like, you kind of feel helpless. And it's not a comfortable feeling as a spotter.

No. You can't see your car for that long. Speaking of a spotter, uncomfortable feeling, How about those three mobile one cars, man? Can you imagine trying to spot those things yesterday? You know, yeah, I couldn't. You know, they were... Couldn't tell them apart?

You could not tell them apart until they got on the front stretch and went by you. You could not tell them apart unless you had... I actually got out my really good binoculars that I have, not just the wide-angle ones, so I could see over to the tunnel turn a lot better and stuff, and I could pick them out, but I could not tell otherwise other than that. It was a nightmare.

From a competition statement, right, when they did... I was like, all right, man, it's clear. behind the 14. And I'm like, oh, sorry, that's the four. Next time, I'm like, all right, clear behind the four. Yeah, that's the 10. Sorry. Until they came under the flag stand, it was really tough to figure out who it wasn't.

Had a big track like that, that's a challenge. Thankfully, it wasn't at a plate track just for the spotter's perspective. And, look, I mean, fans don't necessarily care, and sponsors don't necessarily care. But for what we do, we want to be able to distinguish our car from the others. And in that case, man, that wasn't possible for those guys. Right. That's what I'm saying.

does that not come into any factor with competition and spotters when they're doing, well, I guess the paint schemes on the top? There's these really smart marketing people like Kristen Bauer at JRN to take care of it from their standpoint. I ask that. A lot of times these conversations aren't being had. No, you're absolutely right. I've always been very fortunate with Elia because I was involved in other facets of his career, so I would see paint schemes and I would go, hey, we need a bright roof number on this thing,

or we need bright door numbers, or we need to do something to make me be able to find this race car. but obviously nobody had that discussion as it pertain to those three cars this weekend. I think we just blame Jof. I don't know you designed cars. Yeah, I did. All three the same. Nice.

Well, the paint scheme's here. They have to go through, they go through sponsor us, Dale approves each one, and then a NASCAR. We also have a very, our, I will, you know, just over the years,

we've had a really good department that does the designs cars and stuff. Dale Jr., we've had some buddies that have been graphic design and stuff and designed up a lot of the race cars and they do a really good job junior motorsports was a great job every week of posting the graphic on who's in what cars even the cup side they do it for the cup stuff too and it's really um they do a really good job while they hear so that they're strong at junior motorsports in that department spot on spot off

chris busher first rookie of the year contender to win in seven years whatever whatever that's your answer i mean the other you know the last one was, what, Legato? Okay, that was seven years ago at Loudoun, and that was also a rain shorten. Oh, really? Yeah. That's interesting.

It was rain shortened as well. Hey, I mean, congrats to those guys were hitting the strategy, right, man. Pocono's a road course, basically, when it comes to that for strategy-wise, like Sonoma. And you can have upsets. That's one of the... But you think that was a strategy?

What, they knew that it was going to rain, so just... Well, they play... When you... Yeah, this is a strategy, because when you're not... When you're that far off the leader's pace, you have to play the opposite one, and it worked out. Yeah, spot on for me, and I'll tell you why. There are 20 other crew chiefs right now kicking themselves in the butt

for not doing the same thing that Busher did. We saw how dark it was behind turn one. We saw all these leaders start to pit. There were a lot of guys that could have stayed out and won this race, and they didn't, and they didn't because the crew chiefs made the decision to pit them because they were pitting them based on the race going its complete distance. It didn't go as complete distance. And as a result, Chris Bisher won.

So his crew chief should be the one getting all the praise. Certainly Chris drove the race car, but the call and the strategy is what won him this race. Yeah, he, I mean, it was definitely a crew chief sitting there calculating numbers and radars and everything else. And it was definitely more of a crew chief call here. Obviously, Chris drove a good race to not be in any trouble, to be in position where he was. You know, there was three other guys or four other guys on the same strategy, and he was in front of them. So he didn't get a job of doing that, but, you know, it's not, if you go to quality passes, I'm pretty sure he's probably not going to be in the top 20 on that list.

Yeah, now, this is a feel-good story. I mean, this is the underdog wins that when you look at some of these fuel mileage races, probably the most recent one that sticks out in my mind was when Eric Amarola won Daytona with the king on the king's birthday, you know, several years ago. That was probably the last rain-shortened underdog wind that I can really think of. And in both scenarios, the Amarola one and this one, if you go back green, if you surveyed the guys on the roof and you said, are those guys still going to win? The answer is going to be no. And it just fortunately played out.

I mean, when you look at a Paul Menard who won the brickyard on a fuel mileage race, that race went to distance. So that is, you know, even a harder race to kind of win from a crew chief standpoint, which Slugger did as crew chief. But when you look back over history and you say, hey, who's going to win this race? you're not going to pick Chris Busher. I think I saw a stat that his best finish this year was 14th, and now the guys want to race. So it's really hard to win, but it's more common you see guys win

when they start running in the top 10, running in the top 5, and not just show up and win like Busher did. But a great story for his team. They've won before. I think it's been several years ago, but man, that's awesome. Yeah, it was David Gillen to Talladega.

But like Brett said, the Talladega deal, Paul did it great. They were saving fuel right around half a track behind the leaders for a while. him and McMurray in a couple hours are in the same thing. And when Eric won at Daytona, like Brett said too, as well, if it goes back green, they're not going to win. Even though in Daytona there was a huge wreck,

and I think only like half the field, if even that was still running in the race. But it wins a win, man. You know, you've got to, they're going to celebrate. I'd celebrate it too, wouldn't you? Heck yeah. I mean, he got the trophy, he got the money, he got the chase bid, and he probably got a girl.

or six. These races aren't... I saw he went off to Utah to road course race. There's a bunch of women out there. Don't they deal with multiple wives and stuff? He could get right in out there after a big win. I did see that. So apparently after the race, he had to catch a plane and fly out west, probably

to Arizona maybe, to a driving school there, and he's going to road course school now. So maybe it'll rain or something will happen at the Glen. He can get off sequence and go two for two. Yeah. Spot on, spot off. Brad Kozlowski says road courses are the most dangerous tracks in motorsports. Spot off, man. This guy's crazy.

We've seen some bad wrecks, but everybody does walk away from them. You know, when we look at history and we look at where are these guys injured, they're injured at New Hampshire, they're injured at plate crashes, they're injured, you know, at Michigan. I know these road courses can certainly have some really bad angles, but this is just comments a little bit over the top for me. Yeah, I mean, he's probably a little bit biased about it because he did go in, he did break his foot or whatever at testing a road course and then have another failure in the turn one at the Glen, so he's probably a little bit biased about it.

But I will say that road courses, there's definitely a lot, there's definitely a lot more angles that you can hit at in different places, and if stuff goes right, there's definitely more potential for crazier looking. Well, crazy-looking wrecks too. Like, you're going to be able to back in. Like, you know, I almost, I almost agree with them a little bit because there's just more places to go because we lost our breaks in turn 10 at Watkins-Gland about five or six years ago with Dale Jr. And I just, you know how we can just see the interest of that turn from the spotter stand? Yeah.

So I saw him going to that corner and I saw absolutely nothing but him fly through there and then just a bunch of dust and that fly up and then tires fly up. You know, and that, you know, it's almost kind of, I don't know, I'm 50-50 on that because I think. there's a lot more opportunity because if you get hooked at a road course you could be turned in a direction where you know you're not really you don't really know where you're going to end up and we've seen some pretty pretty crazy wrecks at road courses we have Kristen I'm not going to put you on the spot I'm going to put Josh on the spot Josh do you know why there's a chicane slash bus stop on the backstrap on the backstress at walk his win to slow them down

Why? J.D. McDuffie, to TJ's point, J.D. McDuffie was going down the backstretch, and I won't attempt to get the year right, but J.D. McDuffie years ago was going down the backstretch, and he lost his brakes, and he went head on into the wall, and it was a fatal accident. That's when they came in there and made the bus stop, slow the speeds down to do exactly what you said to slow them down. But have guys been seriously injured and even killed at road courses? Yes, but overall, I think that our ovals are still a lot more dangerous than these places are. I'm looking at Rex like out of the, out of the sweeper there where J.D. McDuffie crashed there. You remember when Sam got off there and come back across the track?

Oh, yeah, he came back across. Come out of the car. Let's not forget about Jimmy Johnson's wreck in that number 92 car. Or Danny. Or Denny. For Herzog, man, that was scary. Danny a few years ago went into turn one and head on it. There's just no other, there's no way around it if you have a malfunctioning turn one, you're going to end up

head on there. But I think the tires do a great job of absorbing a lot of stuff. And I almost think, you know, they tear up race cars, obviously. If you hit the tires, it just choose the race car up. But it's a much softer impact. So those guys are,

you know, it's awesome. The Trite does a great job with safety there and stuff. But I definitely think road courses are pretty dangerous just because of the angles you can hit at. It's not just sliding up and hitting a wall. It's, you know, like Sam come off, hit the wall, bounce back in the track, and Jeff Gordon coming off there has nowhere to go,

and there's just a huge wreck. Heck, wasn't that where Michael McDowell's car was sitting against the wall, like, missing half of it or something, too? Yeah, like a big tumble. Oh, yeah, Ruderman's wreck. Do you remember that, Kristen? Mm-mm.

Josh? You don't remember David Ruderman bell rolling into turn two at Watkins Glen? Yeah, because he... Big, huge. Oh, it was huge, yeah. I was there for... All you guys listening.

Get out of your internet. I know. Get out your internet. Get out your internet. Get out your internet. All right. What do you got next? Spot on, spot off.

William Byron wins. Fifth truck race sets record for wins by a rookie. Go ahead, Brett. I'm spot off, so. I'll tell you why I'm going to be spot on. You know, winning five races is certainly a big feat. But when you look at this guy's career, he's only been doing this for four or five years. Most guys start racing between ages five and age seven.

This guy didn't start racing until four years. ago. So he's went from Legends cars to late models to trucks relatively quickly and he's winning and you can either have a nose for winning or not. So spot on just for the fact that this guy knows how to win. I know that

he's right now with Toyota. I also know that there's a lot of other owners going after this kid. It would be interesting to see where he ends up next year because he's a pretty high commodity to be a young guy and you know, the key is TJ can tell you this, the key is having a fast vehicle first to

competing, but the second thing is talent. We know he's got fast cars over there, fast trucks with KBM, but he certainly is showing he's got the talent and the nose to win. Yeah, I would like to see, I would like to see how he does in, you know, a little bit lesser of equipment because, you know, I haven't seen anything he's had to do yet really to go out of the way that it really impressed me. You know, I know that when, I know that when Eric Jones runs that car, he gives Kyle Busch a run for his money every time. You know what I mean? He's up there racing. He's up there racing with Kyle every single time. So

I'm pretty impressed by Eric, but I, you know, and I think William's really good and he's doing a really good job. He's doing a really good job. He's not making any mistakes when he's getting up front and leading them races. He's not making any mistakes. And he's doing good. The theme has changed the most

in the sport since I've been here is what TJ just said. You know, when Elliot Sadler came up through the ranks, he had to get in a not-so-competitive car and proof he could do well. He did that at the Wood Brothers. He won a race with the Wood Brothers. You know, and then he gets another break of Yates and gets another break at Evertonham. And you literally had to prove your way in order to open doors. And then we saw a guy,

you know, like Chase Elliott, like Eric Jones, like this William Byron kid. They're coming in in the greatest equipment and they just keep getting handed greater equipment. So it's changed a lot, man. I think you probably won't ever see a William Byron getting in something that is subpar equipment unless he's on his way back down and on his way out. Yeah, and it's kind of, you know, it's kind of sad that way because there's probably a lot of very talented race car drivers out there that will never get an opportunity to move up, to have, you know, that have an exceptional amount of talent just because they're driving, they can't afford anything other than a C grade car or something like that, you know,

and they're just never going to get a shot of anything else. No, you go back and look at Jeff Burton's career, and Jeff Gordon was kind of the, the first guy to get the big break without really having done a whole lot. But you go back and look at, you know, Dale Earnhardt's career, Jeff Burton's career, I mean, Adele Jarrett's career, all those guys were self-made men by getting into subpar equipment and performing at a higher level with it. And you just don't get a lot of opportunities to do that now. Yeah, I mean, Jeff was really successful, though.

Jeff Gordon was really successful when he was in that midgets and stuff like that. He won a lot of midget races and stuff. But like William drove here. William drove here and him and Josh Barry were teammates. In 2014. Yeah, him and Josh Barry were teammates. And I think William might have won one or two races, but Josh, I think, won maybe eight or ten, you know.

And that was what, two years ago, T.J. or a year ago? I think it was three. It was in 23, 14. Yeah, two and a half maybe then. Yeah. Yeah. So, but it's cool. I mean, he's not making mistakes, man.

He's making it happen. And so more power too. It means doing great. So sit tight. We're going to take a quick break and then we'll get into Fastlane. Hey, Junior Nation, now more than ever exclusive, entertaining, and free content from the world of Dale Earnhardt Jr. is no further away than your fingertips. It's all thanks to Dale Jr.'s dirty moh radio presented by Exalta.

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You're so stupid. TJ, you're first. T.J.'s first. Ask me the question. Chris Boucher won yesterday at Pocono in the rain slash fog out. Will Chris make the chase this year? He is currently 31st and points and you know you have to be 30th or better. I think Chris Boucher makes the chase.

He's got, you know, some things going in his direction. They got momentum now. You know, all he has to do is go out there and have a couple more solid finishes. He's going to be in. His teammates also in the top 30. So that could play into an effect here at some point. Maybe the 38 car has a little problem. problem there sometime down the road.

So you never know. I think Chris Busher is a proven race car driver. He's an Xfinity Series champion, but he's getting ready to race with a lot of pressure that he hasn't had. I mean, this guy's outside of the top 30 points, mainly because

he's wrecked every single plate track, but nonetheless he's left a lot of points on the board. He can't do that anymore. He cannot wreck. He cannot have failures. Rosh, Doug Gates, those companies are going to have to get heavily involved to help this kid have better equipment to make it. Do I think he will?

Yes. Yeah, he's got a couple things working in his saver. Now he'll start getting, he will probably get the better motor they get every week. He'll get stuff like that. He'll get a little bit of preference for the next month or so from from the team, from wherever they get their motors from and stuff. And he'll get a little bit of preference over that, and there'll probably be enough to bump him in the chase.

Rumors are circulating that furniture row is going to field a second car next year, and that Eric Jones might be in the conversation as the driver. or do you think he is ready to move up to the Cup series, TJ? I mean, Brett, sorry. I was about to say he just went first. Do I think he's ready to move up to the Cup series? Well, I don't know. I mean, you know, he ran some Cup races for Denny Hammond last year,

and he certainly didn't run as competitive as he has in the Xfinity series. Their Xfinity Series cars are turned up right now. When you look at Sam Hornish goes out, dominates the race in their car, and then he comes back in the Xfinity series with RCR, and he can't even run top five. he gets outrun by Brennan pool. Like, that shows you how dominant their cars are.

The whole cup thing, man, I don't know yet. Yeah, I don't, you know, I was impressed with the speed that he had, but like Brett said, he's got, he's one of the other ones, he's in the best stuff. But I do like the fact that he can run with Kyle, and he goes up there and pressures Kyle a lot. So I think Eric will adapt when he gets to the Cup series. I think he will adapt if he's in great cars like Gibbs cars or Furnitureo car.

If he gets in one of them, I think he will adapt and he will be competitive. I think he's a hell of a race car driver. I think he certainly is on path to get in a cup car next year. Based on the silly season rumors that we're hearing, it's either going to be a second cup car at Furniture Row or potentially a car at JGR. I think we'll just have to wait and see how it shakes out. If he's going to go cup racing, that's the perfect scenario to do it for sure,

as far as getting in fast cars. NASCAR released the starting times of the races for the 2017 season. Some races have been moved to further. in the day, do you think this will help with TV ratings and attendance for 2017? TJ. Are you trying to get me fined? I don't like the start times being put later, personally. I do not like them, but if it helps with attendance, I am all for it.

But I prefer to actually make it home and time. Are you a politician now? That was so diplomatic. I like to make it home and time to give my girl hugging a kiss before she goes to bed. Jay, if that's not going to happen, can we fly together and you just hug and kiss me and pretend to her or what I get weird? Uh, well, it's already weird now, but sure. I guess to what TJ said, does it change attendance?

Man, I don't think so, because fans are even going to have to stay even later to get home to get to work the next day. So if anything, it may hurt attendance. What we're seeing with this happening, though, is it's all about the TV audience. That's who they're catering to. We'll see if it works. Yeah, I don't, I really hope it works because if not, I really hope we don't get a couple rain showers that really keep us there, you know, just laid enough where we can't get the race run or started before dark. That'll be a really big problem if something like that happens.

But I'll be optimistic for it. We'll see how it goes. I like your optimism. It's refreshing. Are you being cynical? Both. The opening series. More coffee, please.

The opening ceremonies for the Olympics are in Rio this Friday. What is your favorite Olympic sport to watch, summer or winter? and does it include the river of crap in Rio? I think I like the Winter Olympics better. This is Brett. Brett goes first. Oh, sorry. God.

I'm out of the studio and y'all just screw this whole. It's me. We skipped a question. I have a huge snow skier. I love snow skiing, but I have a huge respect for what the summer athletes can do compared to the winter athletes. I would much rather watch women gymnastics

than I would, women's figure skating. So I'm going to have to pick summer, and I think we're going to go kick everybody else's ass in the world like we always do. Go USA. I would love to see you do some gymnastics, Brett. Like rhythmic, too, with the... Yeah, anything.

Anything. Anything. I like the winter stuff, too. I like when they do the ski jumps and stuff, and they go a long ways. I kind of like that stuff, so I'll roll with the winner. Best track and field guys and girls. are cool to watch.

I mean, they're pole vaulting, and they're running, and they're jumping into sand and throwing shot foot. And I've got videos somewhere of me doing backhand sprinks and back tucks. I'll feel I can fish it out for you, TJ. Yeah, I would really love to see that, because I'm pretty sure that probably doesn't exist. I had a rat tail back then, too. It was really cute.

Rat tail. He wears shorts. He's been in music videos. I think Brett was in that one video when he was telling the cops where the guy went, and he was getting it like Dale Jr. Have you seen that, Brett? Yeah, that's all. Oh, man, that was probably Pageland.

Where are you from again? Yeah, Paiselin South Carolina. That's it. That's coming up, man. We're not too far from hitting that place. No, we're not far from being ready to go to Darlington, man. One of God's greatest gifts to NASCAR. So, hashtag AskDBC, where we take some questions off of Twitter and Facebook,

and the gentleman answer them. At XU Mittens asks What are your thoughts on running the IMS road course for cup cars? Absolutely not. That might be the worst idea I've ever heard. So this person's not winning the question? No, I don't like the road. I like elevation change in road courses.

That road course is built for Formula One type cars. It's, you know, the only road courses that I think, I don't know if I'd agree with me or not, are the ones like Sonoma, the walking's going, we have breaking zones, we have stuff like that. I think those have more character and fit our cars a lot better than the street courses. Or something like, you know, just flat the whole way. Yeah, we don't need to take a weekend that's already somewhat monotonous and make it even more monotonous.

So the cup cars, if we're going to run there, we need to run on the big stage, which is the same car, same track that the indie cars run on. You know, if we're going to experiment with that, let the Xfinity series, you know, try it to see how it does. but to TJ's point, race teams go test or used to go test at Kirschild, South Carolina or at VIR. And the difference was, Kirschild, South Carolina had no elevation changes, and VIR had a ton. So before you went to Sonoma, VIR made a lot of sense for you to go set your car up. So I'm with TJ. I think the hillyer and the more character, the better the race is, the bigger the braking zones matter.

Like, I'm with TJ on this. I support everything he said, which is rare. You two. And even if they're going to experiment, put the cup cars on the little track. If you want an experiment, that'll be interesting. Here's the weird thing for me, and I may be getting ready to get fine for what I'm about to say. I'm going to leave the room. I can be no part of this.

And you say, Brad Keselowski was involved in a really bad wreck, and it was at a test. Why are we doing that? We're supposed to have no testing, and now we have NASCAR mandatory testing, so the driver has to go test. the team has to go test. Guess who pays for that? The team does. So the team's going and spending anywhere from $100,000 to $200,000 just to go test for our sport.

And it's not really helping the team. It's helping NASCAR's science project of which tire do we need to bring. How competitive are these guys going to be? What kind of lap times are they going to run? And when you look at it, you say, why is Brad Keselowski tearing up a half a million dollar race car and potentially injuring himself? for nothing. I don't necessarily

understand the direction we're going in for testing right now. What do you think, T.J.? Yeah, I honestly kind of liked the you know, it was a little bit, it made the schedule a little bit harder, but I kind of liked having the handful of tests where we would go to and stuff at certain tracks. You kind of knew where they were

in the beginning of the year, and you just went, and that was it. Now, now, yeah, I don't, I missed the old testing schedule. I never thought I would ever say that. I like the term NASCAR science project. Yeah. Well, they said no testing, and now we're testing more than we've ever tested.

Yeah. That's the strange part. You know, the owners form this RTA, Race Team Alliance, to cut some cost, and one of the things they wanted to cut cost on was testing. And the reason that they can cut testing out, the race teams can, is because the engineering and the simulation is so much further advanced, and it used to be, you show up at the racetrack, you're ready to race, so you literally can go test, and yes, you can learn some things.

but the spend doesn't equate to what you're gaining. So it's better economically to just not go test. And now we're testing more than we ever have, and it literally is to just be the science project for the product that we're putting on the track. Let me ask you this. What do you think about, why doesn't NASCAR have test teams themselves? Hey, that's my thing.

Put a Hans device and a helmet on Brett Bodine or David Green. Build your own car and go do it. Yeah, why don't they have somebody? Some of these expenses. because the team is assuming all of these expenses associated with it. And they're burning their guys out, man. I mean, you're a team and you're getting ready to get in the chase. You want your guys fresh, and you're testing Watkins Lane,

you're testing into your testing Kentucky. Man, you're worn out, you know. It's part of the grind, but it's not necessarily the future of our time. Just put it on the manufacturer, make each manufacturer build a car and son. Or that, but there's plenty of drivers out there that could be, what do you do? Well, I'm NASCAR test driver. you go and they go to these tracks, they do the tire testing,

and they go and do the fuel runs, and if you want to test a certain package, you build two cars like it, you go test them or whatever. I'm just kind of, I'm kind of, I mean, I know why, but I'm not saying it. Yeah, I'm not either, but it's expensive. Yes. At Gott Tulip S, should fans be allowed to sue a track or NASCAR knowing there's potential for debris from Rex at a track?

what does got tulip mean means he has tulips you got tulip Josh yeah it's like got milk but for flowers for flowers like you think that person works in a flower shop or something maybe

all right what's the question should fans be allowed to sue the track knowing there is potential debris from Rex at a track I you buy a ticket and they're on the back yeah on the back there's a disclaimer saying look there's potential for you to get hurt

It's like anywhere else. You could go to a football game and be looking away, and the quarterback could throw it into the third row, and it could hit you in the face. And, you know what I mean? There's potential everywhere. I mean, I don't think it's fair that people can sue from that when you take the risk of going there.

It's just a bad situation. I mean, I really hate that fans are ever in jeopardy as far as their safety goes. Absolutely. But unfortunately, it is part of sports. I mean, you can get hitting ahead. with a fly ball at a baseball game and ultimately, you know, be seriously injured. You could clearly get, you know, hit with some debris at a racetrack and be injured. Overall, though, I think that we've made a lot of safety changes to keep the cars on the ground

and tether the wheels to the car. I mean, we're certainly as a sport and has been used doing everything we can to keep it safe, but I don't know, man, I'm not a big fan of suing. These disclaimers, as we all know, they don't mean anything. You can't really sign away your right to sue in most states, and people are suing for everything. So whatever. At Mason Feldman 51 asks,

aside from the drivers you spot for, what driver do you think your personality is most like? Oh, man. Go ahead, Brett. My sister says I'm like Tony Stewart, that I'm a fun, chill guy, and then I get really pissed off really easily, and then God only knows what's going to happen next.

So I guess I'll follow her lead and say Tony Stewart. I agree. I don't know. I don't know. I'm not really sure who. T.J., do you get mad? You're super laid back. I get mad, yeah.

I mean, I get mad. He might be like Matt Kenseth, actually. Just real quiet. I'm not quiet for sure, but. You're a little bit, well, Matt's a chill dude. You know, you're a little bit sillier than Matt is, but he's got an awesome sense of humor and prankster.

Look at that compliment you just got. Yeah. Awesome sense of humor. But then he gets mad. Then he handles stuff. Yeah. I don't ever really get, I get mad, but I don't ever get that mad. Look, somehow I don't ever really.

I'm pretty good at keeping my composure. Oh, all right, I'll take Matt. I'll take that, thanks. At Travis C underscore 48S. If you could change hairstyles with any athlete or celebrity, who would it be? Hmm. I'll go with that soccer player. That one?

You know, the one that changed, the really good one that changes his hair all the time? Right, right. You know what I'm talking about? David Beckham? No, the other guy. You're seeing Ronaldo? It's not Ronaldo.

It's the other one. Messy? No, the other one. I don't know any other soccer players. Should I just Google soccer player hair? All right, Brett, you go first while I find this guy. Right now I have what's called turning hair. It's turning gray and turning loose.

So if I had to pick a celebrity to change hairstyles with, I would 100% go with just. Justin Bieber. Whatever he's rocking, I want to rock it with us. I should have just gone straight there. Namar. Well, I can't do Michael Jackson because my hair won't really do that. Yeah. I mean, I'll go with Namar because you never know what he's going to have. I don't know if I probably wouldn't look very good with crazy hair, but you never know.

Hey, I have a question. I was thinking about this the other day. What would happen if they had a race where there were no spotters? regular cup oh yeah his hair is weird his hair is crazy what do you think what happened Brett I love a good man

it'd be a cluster it would be a cluster I think so from an infrastructure standpoint like there are a lot of little things that we do to help with the lineups

to help inform them pits are open where their pit stalls are at which helps them not hit pit crew guys on pit road there are a lot of little things that we do

that fans don't necessarily understand that just overall makes our sports so much safer for the pit crews, for the drivers, and even to some degree for the fans sitting in the stands. So logistically, it would be really tough.

I'm not saying it's impossible because they do it at third track levels and they do it at other track levels. It's not impossible. We do a lot of little things that make this show run really, really smooth. And to make us be able to go back green a lot faster than what we would if spotters weren't present. Yeah, he's right on that. They would be the lineups there.

I mean, even Jeff Gordon's coming off, turn of three at Pocono. I know I'm hanging kind of into lines, but they're wanting info. Where am I lining up? Where am I running? What's going on here? Where's the wreck at? Who is in it? Where's the debris?

Anything like that. There's just so much, there's a lot of communication that if you take that away. And not to mention, the racing's close a lot. And if you take us away, they're not going to know they're three wide sometimes. I think there's a lot more potential for danger and bad accidents. at Bradley and TJ just made me tell you, hold on sorry,

TJ's made me think of something there's a lot of safety workers out there, Kristen. There's a lot of safety trucks out there and it's our job, along with the drivers, to help them not put those guys in jeopardy. So in addition to

the drivers and the crews and everybody else, like we help the safety workers be as safe as possible too and that's something that has changed a lot since I got here 17 years ago. Initially, we weren't as worried about the safety truck.

It was basically, hey, follow the guy in front of you, do whatever he does. now it's when we're coming off pit road. We're going to blend up earlier, but we're going to do some things differently to help keep those guys safer. So, again, we make it safer,

we make it run a lot smoother than what it would if we weren't present. 10-4. That's true. At Bradley 88 really asks. Quit trying to fire the freaking spotter. I'm not. I see 100% value in you guys,

now that I know you exist. Geez, PR girls know everything. All right. I let me try a couple years with no marketing people. You have a super fan, Brett. This guy, Bradley, 88 Billy asked Brett, can I be your assistant to hold fan and spray bottle for you on hot days? No money, just beer.

It's a dude who's in love with you. That's cute. Dude wants to be my assistant. Yeah, he wants to fan you and spray you with water. Why is this got to be a dude? Why can't it be a hot chick? Well, Brett. Maybe it's a hot dude.

Yeah. Have you looked in the mirror? I'm up there with 39 other dudes We need some hot chicks up there No, you're not in, dude Sorry I think you should go anyway Bradley, Billy

I think you should go anyway And the worst part of the This is the same dude That tweeted me last night It wants a grill raccoon at Bristol Yeah, it is What? It's disgusting

Oh yeah Just think, dude You could eat a raccoon While you're getting misted By a dude If this dude Took his shirt off in the middle of that. I'd be freaked out.

Do you think he has one on right now? No. It's getting weird. All right. Pocono predictions. I mean, not Pocono. Walkinsville. Yeah.

Josh. Holy cow. There's Josh's mess up. Josh messed up. Great. Watkins Glenn predictions. Speaking of Pocono predictions, that's another chip.

I'm chipping away at it. I got a, I know who I'm picking this week. So it's not really. I know, too. Yeah, right. I know, I know he was a big old man. And I had a bit of the last couple picks. Yeah.

Brett, where are you letting T.J. beat you? Because there's no bonus bullshit. Tony finished like top five, didn't he? Yeah, he finished fifth. Yeah, I didn't know if that was Tony or it was Harviger. I know. I'd actually go back and look because I couldn't tell either. Yeah.

My guy, Kurt, man, man, he just didn't man up. You know, he got a body modification penalty right before the race. send him to the rear. He was never a factor. I got Almonddinger this week. I'm picking first. I got AJ, the dingling, Ammon Dinger, and I have made so much fun of this guy over the years on the radio

that there's no chance in hell I'm going to win just from pure karma. So I have to find somebody that's going to run competitive with AJ, or I just totally bomb it and hope AJ has a problem. And I pick Chris Boucher to win, and he beats A.J. due to attrition. Yeah. So, looking at this list, I definitely think I will go with... Are you super excited for football season?

Is that why you're wearing your Buffalo Bills hat? We're going to New York where the bills are from. Yeah, but you never wear that. I know. Let me go with... You know, I still need to be... I still need to chip away at Brett here, so... I thought he was going to break a record

and actually pick a driver without a seven minutes delay, but that's not. No, man. Over and around seven minutes. You know, this takes time. I'm going to go. I'm not kidding any younger. That's obvious.

You know, I'm going to go with Brad. I got a strong pick. I got to get up front. I got to chip away at it, and Brad's going to be fast, so. That's a big pick, man. I almost pulled the upset with Palminard against Amundinger

at Sanong. he beat him by two spots, TJ1. So Brett Keselowski's always fast at the glen. Yeah, that's going to be a hard one. He was fast before he, you know, caoed the turn one deal there too. Yeah, he's a hell of a road racer, man. They've got it figured out, and he's gotten really good.

I'm telling you, one of the best road course races I've ever seen were him and Marcus at Watkins Glen. That was, you almost didn't even spot your car the last lap. You just watched the race. Did you have that problem? Yeah, absolutely. I mean, when you look at Sonoma versus Watkins Glen, Sonoma is a lot slower. It's a lot more technical. You have to really set your car up in the first corner to get ready for the second corner. You look at Watkins Glen, it is crazy fast.

Every part of that racetrack is super fast except for the carousel. So your balls to the wall, and the same guys that are good at Sonoma aren't always good at Watkins Glen and vice versa. So Brad is one of the guys to beat at Watkins Glen. I think you've got a strong pig. Dingling is going to come through for me. I feel it. Yeah. That you, dingal lane normally comes through for you.

Like, I know what balls to the wall means, but how did that come about? Like, balls against a wall? Like, I don't understand. Because when you're going, I mean,

when you're going, when you're going around a corner. No, I know what it means, like, but like, I'm just trying to figure. Go get two tennis balls

and just start throwing them up against the wall. Yeah. Balls against the wall. Okay. I don't know how it came about, but I'm glad it did because we used. it all the time. It's like those weird

measurements. It's like buttload and shit. Have you ever said, have you ever used the term I got to tell the story. Josh, you can't beat this out because it's not going to be a bad word. So my little girl was three years old and she says that what does Shetan mean?

And I said, honey, oh what? She says Shetan. And I said, honey, I don't know what you're saying. She said, well, you say it all the time. I said, oh, shit, huh, yeah. Oh, that means a lot. All right. Yeah, he was three. Wife was thrilled.

Good day. Yeah, I mean, that's pretty cool. Diet of the year. Chitin. Chetan? Chiton? Is that something? Is that something?

Yeah. Is that like them things they put on a salad? He's like, it's on. All right. We're wrapping it. We're over, so you guys can't rant about anything today. Why? I want to rant.

You ran it about the fog and weepers. Whatever. You just want to go to your staff meeting. T.J's from New York. TJ, what do we need to expect weather-wise, man? You got any good... Sunny, some clouds, chance of rain, cool evenings. Oh, hey, you're like a meteorologist.

Long walks on the beach. No, that's a great area, man. It's really nice. I mean, you're getting ready to go up there probably today or tomorrow, aren't you, Brett? Yeah, I'm heading to, I think Lake Seneca today. I'm going to go off up there, man. And that infill, what do you think that infill holds? 100,000 people?

Yeah, probably. probably easily 100,000. I've camped there many times, and it's some of the most fun I've ever had. Do you guys fly into Elm, is it? Elmira or Ithaca. We're in Ithaca, right? We go to Ithaca.

Yeah. But it's nice. They're usually cool in evenings. You will get some rain showers and stuff, but it's just a good area, man. The landscape there's lots of hills, and it's just a nice area. Brett's good.

I'm kind of jealous. getting ready to go up there and have a good time with your kids because your kids are going to love it. Yeah, we're going to kick it on a lake. And then we actually stay in Ithaca. Is that where y'all stay? No, we stay down by Corning. So I'll be down. And Corning's an awesome town, too. You've been to Corning? Mm-hmm. Corning is good. Love Corning. Yeah, Corning's awesome. That's where they make... It's because of a hall, but it's because of a cool town, man. It's got Cornell University there. I actually applied there and didn't get in college. Oh, really? It's a big college town. I like college towns.

How did you apply for there and not get in? Cornell's a hard school to get into it. I don't know, man. My SATs are like 600. I can't figure it out. And he got that for putting his name on the form. I had a lot of friends that went to Corning in Syracuse. So that's two of the biggest things.

Cornell and Syracuse are two of the biggest schools up there. But I have a lot of friends camping at Watkinsville on this weekend too. So if you do see somebody doing something crazy, I probably know them. You went to high school with them. Yeah. They went to high school with me. Right. Will we see any at TJ Major's tattoos on the infield with some of your buddies?

No, well, I don't know. I can't say no because then you probably will. You'll probably see some T-shirts. They like to buy the T-shirts and wear them. They thought it was the best thing ever last year to walk through the garage where there was five of them together. And they, I think a couple of cut the sleeves off of them and did stuff like that. Yeah, and they were. That's funny.

They were hung over and still drinking the next morning. So you know they were having a good time. You actually can't be hung over and drunk at the same time. That's why most people pick drunk and just keep drinking. I was trying to cover it up. But, yeah, they have a good time. Maybe they camp outside there, so maybe when we get out one night, we'll go out there, and they'll give you some juice.

Sounds good. Let's go check them out Saturday. Yeah, you're not going to be able to go, Chris, because you'll be leaving. I'll be flying out. Unless you want to stay. I want to stay. She can't go. She'll end up in the care center, dude.

She can't go. It's true. It's probably true. Josh, are you spotting this weekend? I know Josh is giving y'all to wrap it up sign. I'm out of here. I'll see you guys next week. Hey, Brett. Brett, do you not want to use Josh?

Nah. Nah. Nah. You don't want to use Josh? I am. All right. There's only seven footer here. All right, let's get out of here.

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