Door Bumper Clear - 271 - Talladega II: Afraid to Crash

Episode Date: October 3, 2022

Back from an unusual weekend in Talladega Superspeedway, Door Bumper Clear breaks down the second NASCAR Cup Series playoffs Round of 12 race. Brett Griffin, T.J. Majors and Freddie Kraft discuss Alex Bowman’s concussion, react to Talladega’s tamer than usual races and call Dale Earnhardt Jr. to ask him why he called them out.To start Spot On, Spot Off, the table discusses how the Next Gen car has negatively impacted superspeedway racing. Hear how they think drafting techniques have changed and what makes a driver good at that racing style.Next, Cup Series competitors held a drivers-only meeting at Talladega to discuss the state of this current car. The guys talk about how that could have impacted the aggression level of Sunday’s race and why NASCAR needs to act quicker about making safety changes to the car. Plus, they talk about a future crash test for the new car.Chase Elliott is the first still eligible playoff driver to win a race five races into the playoffs. They explain why it took this long for it to happen and what it says about this year's competition.The guys react to Jordan Anderson’s wreck during the Truck Series race when he unbuckled his belts and climbed out of his truck as it hit the wall on fire. The spotters say it was one of the scariest incidents they have ever seen and how to potentially prevent it in the future.William Byron was penalized 25 points and $50k for spinning Denny Hamlin under caution at Texas. They debate if the penalty was severe enough and what other penalty NASCAR should have handed out. Plus, they share their thoughts on Ty Gibbs' penalty for swerving at Ty Dillon on pit road. Hear whether they think it gets Gibbs' attention and what penalty could have been more appropriate. Finally, the guys discuss if the bottom four playoff drivers will stay below the cutoff line after the Roval. Find out who they think among Austin Cindric, William Byron, Christopher Bell and Alex Bowman has the best shot at advancing to the Round of 8.In Reaction Theatre, fans call in about the Truck Series finish, a crew member grabbing a loose tire during green flag pitstops, and why it was the worst Talladega Cup Series race in 30 years.Later, hear which driver they think should have been parked and what happened when Freddie battled a bird.Thank you to our presenting sponsor Offerpad and partners Xfinity and RacingUSA.com for making this show possible. Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

I'm Tijian Majors and you're listening to Doorbumpur Clear presented by Offerpad. Today we'll cover why Talladega was so tame. A driver's only meeting on Friday to discuss safety. Chase Elliott being the first playoff driver to win in advance, Byron's penalty, and more. Let's get started. Nobody's listening, but I don't care. I'm on an episode of Doorbumper Clear.

All right. Ready, Freddie? Yep. That rhymes. I've never heard that before. Ready, Fred. Ready, Freddy? That's the first time. Are you ready, Freddie?

Hey, everybody. I'm TJ Majors. It's part of the two cup car. Read the paper. Read the paper. It tells you. Do I need to write it out? Actually, I was seeing if Freddie was actually going to catch it because he's not

come up with a two. Because he spotted for the two. Yeah. Last year. I was actually going to see if Freddie was how drunk. That's how I judge how bad Freddie. I'm not bad. I'm pretty good.

All right. You ready? I don't know. That's staying in. We're right. We're rolling. We're rolling. Just keep going.

Anything else you want to add to the cross-tage? I'll take the 68, Xandy car. And I'll take the one truck this weekend, I guess, and the six-cup car. You're going to take credit for sending that dude across the infield. Brett Griffin, Spotter for Colleges Racing, Daniel Hemrick on Saturday. We had a ninth place finish, and Justin Haley yesterday. I think we finished like 15th. Yeah.

What's up? Freddie Crafts? Spotter for Bubba Wallace. Thank you. I mean, damn, take long enough. Who else will have this week? I'd Lany Castle and Derek Krause. Landon Castle had a great race.

Lany Castle had a really good finish. We didn't have a great race. We had a good finish. And we shoved old AJ out there to the win, which is pretty cool for calling, motorsports, racing, whatever the hell they are. AJ finally want to play race. Yeah, thanks to us.

Because we were boxing and we couldn't do anything. All you. Credit to, I'll tell you one thing. Credit to there's another person that gets credit that didn't get a lot of credit. A lot of people were credit to Lannon for pushing AJ. Credit to Parker, Cleggerman because Parker would not leave Landon's bumper.

We made some moves knowing that Parker was going to be with us. That's cool. So credit to Parker Cleggerman a lot for helping us help AJ in a turn. But what's up, Casey? Hey guys, Casey Boat here. Your official marketing professional. Shout out to Brett and Freddie for coming on the show today because it doesn't sound like you guys would have made it if it was, what, 12 o'clock in morning.

I got four hours of sleep instead of eight. I don't know what you're talking about. I was well rested. I went to bed early when I landed. Your eyes are a little closer. I wish I could see how many times Megan called his phone last night at 1.30. Because she kept hanging up on us. What I didn't think it was that late?

It'll show you. I mean, we can look. You didn't think it was that late. Was it 1.30? Oh, it was 1.30. Hey, Jason. How's it going? Hey, Jason Schultz, the director of content.

I can't believe Big Al's Day is open that late. Where are you going to meet us at Big Al's? What's the race coming up? Sunday. Sunday. Well, I have to. We'll be working at the track. I don't care.

We will be too. What about after Martin? Wait, really? We actually tend to work at the track. What about Martin'sville? You all go there after Martin'sville. Maybe TJ. We're trying to get luck to go with us after Martin'sville.

Then we can all just come here. Stay up all night and then just show up in the morning. Our official TVC party at Big Alts. Yeah. What are you doing the track? Connor Daly. Oh, yeah. That'll be over early.

So you. Hey, if they're going to talk. We should too. They talked about all three of us. They did? Dale Jr. did. I'm used to that. He's a clown.

I can't believe Dale would do that. He said T.J. was washed up. He said mean things about both of you, too. Just not going to happen. I know. I agree. They're going to come at us. We'll fuck him.

Click that. Oh, I don't know how we got fired for my last child, but I know how we just got fired from this one. And it's your day off. How are you going to get fired? Fire your day off. Come on, Craig. Oh, well, boys, it's been good run.

It's been a good run. What show numbers is? Whatever's a 271 or something. How'd you get fired? Well, uh, Frank. We are now looking for new host of DBC for the range of the year. The thing is, you don't know how Dale Jr. responds to that because if he's in a good mood, he'd laugh.

If he's not in a good mood. Well, there's one way to find out. You want me to call? Let's. Hey, uh, Freddy. Freddie's got something to say we just see if he answers. I mean, we could.

I'm really actually kind of nervous. Let's get to the bottom of my call T.J. washed up. Yeah. I just want to hear Freddy say, fuck you. I was straight.

He said, fuck him. Fuck him. That's funny. Oh, my gosh. Talladega. Hold on. We're calling down.

Oh, we are? Yeah. Oh. What's up, TJ? Hey, you're live on the show and Freddy's got, Freddy's a little pissed off that you were talking shit about us.

What I say? In the Conner Daly thing, you had some remarks about all of us. Well, you don't even know what they were? No, I know what they were, but Freddie had to say something. Go ahead, Freddie? That guy. Freddie left Big Al sometime after 1.30. Freddie is not sober today.

I want to know why TJ's washed up. Yeah, I'm washed up. Freddie was... Freddie, I don't know if Freddy and Brett were I was absolutely not Hell no Well I mean obviously you guys never drove race cars So y'all probably are

I did drive a race car Oh God You probably don't need to be in the cup series So that's pretty much I can't There's some other people Don't need to be out there either So

All right We just wanted to get your live Live take on it So I'll check you with you after a while What's been the hot debate this morning Well you so far. Oh my God, man.

After everything that's been on this week. Don't worry. We're getting to it now. We're just kicking it off. So I'll catch you later on. All right. All right.

See ya. Oh. Damn, we still got jobs. Until we're going to come back. Yeah. I feel better now about it. We continue.

All right, boys. Thought the last supper. We're back. Just about the last supper. What did you guys think? There's a lot. A truck race was embarrassing on a lot of fronts.

Super embarrassing. The Xfinity race I thought was an amazing race and I have spotted gosh 80 to 90 probably cup play more than that counting the duels and stuff and the clash

and all that. I mean I probably spotted close to 100 year old super speedway races and that was my least favorite race I've ever spotted the cup one? The cup one sucked it was terrible. Tell us what. It was hard to pass. Like you weren't going anywhere from...

The only way your line moved is if the entire line was determined by the first two cars in your line. Oh yeah, we figured that out. If you couldn't tandem and push to the front, like if you were third and back in your line, you were at the mercy of whatever them guys up front were doing. Yeah, we figured out we were running behind laying in the outside lane. By the way, thanks for cost me DBC picks. Tell Brad, I appreciate that. Sorry.

Who won? TJ. TJ. Did I pick Lugano? No, I don't know. I don't remember who you picked. Easily distracted. I nailed it.

Oh, I picked Denny. Oh, I didn't win. T.J. won. We just said that. We just said that. Jeez. I'm glad I didn't pick Lugano because he raced like a girl. Before I forget, you left a curse word in last week, Jason.

Darn. Is that a real? I think he doesn't offer. That's the word. I hope he gets the one in there this week, the first one. him I don't know if I keep saying it yeah I don't know if I keep saying that

I wasn't talking about him I was talking about bread on that one anyway definitely the second car in line how good he could push the first car which was irrelevant you couldn't really do it on the bottom because the bottom just stacks in a three and you can't say connected is good

but um you and Bisher were working well together at one point uh yeah we never stayed out got some trap position right yes we we were just trying you never know how these races are going to go so we figured if there's a record we got taken out so early at Daytona it was like pointless so we wanted to avoid any of that if we could and do some strategy stuff to get up front later which worked I mean we were actually in really good spot in the last pit stop

there we came out second behind Blaney but obviously we had a speeding penalty so that shuffled us right out of that did you did you notice yesterday because you've done a gazillion plate races too. Like when we would catch a car that had lost the draft down the backstretch, like it was insane. It felt like the pack compared to the single car was faster than it's ever been. Like the gap between how slow that car was and fast the pack was. Like I would be looking through my binoculars and I'd be like, panicked. Yeah, you catch them quick. Well, and honestly, I did notice this race. In races in the past, most of the lab cars never moved off the bottom. Here, everybody moved up, which was, it's way better like that. Way better.

I did have one guy moved to the middle and try to block me as I was riding around the back. I'm not saying who it was. Is he a one idiot for Lee? Is he belong in the Cubs series? No, probably not. Oh. What does he wear?

Yeah. Probably a fire suit. I would hope it's more layers than Jordan Anderson's fire suit. That was a scary wreck. But anyway, back to your point, the second car dictated the lines a lot. And we could shove Blaney, out there. We actually

push Blaney for about three laps and gap the inside lane by like 12 car length, like 12 cars. And then we started chilling out for a little bit. But yeah, we were in a really good spot and get the speeding penalty and kind of threw it all away. But you didn't throw it away worse than the 21 car did on Saturday. That car, Austin Hill, had a car that was as fast as I've ever seen in my life. I mean, I've watched, you know, Tony Stewart, Dell Jr.

have, even Elliot Sadler and Joy LaGa Auto back in the day when we would duel out, like have dominant cars and go on a win with them. But he just made a stupid move and ran Noah high. They got screwed up. And, I mean, he took him. He literally, his decision to block high and do that took him out of the race. And he recovered so quickly, he didn't need to do that. Yeah.

I didn't think. I didn't even see it. I thought we were wrecking one to one time when we were passing Blaney for the lead on the outside. Do you see that? Oh, yeah. What the hell? I have no idea.

Like, that's five lanes you're blocking. Yeah. He ran you. I mean, you were outside. You had a nose on him outside. And he ran you straight to fence. I knew he ran you in the fence. I don't know.

I don't know. Okay, fine. If you're going to block that hard, I mean, you're blocking. Okay, you're trying to dominate this race. The next lap, you drop the anchor and go to the back. Why are you blocking that hard and then throw the anchor like that? Yeah. It was like two laps later.

Like you did all that blocking and then bailed out. Yeah. And like, like I get it. You're going to block. But we, I really think Brad had a nose out there enough to, that he should have gave Malane too. That was a little ridiculous in my opinion. But, and especially if you're going to give it up, why even block the heart if you're going to give it up? Yeah, if you're just going to bail eventually, why, like, what are you doing?

There was a lot of conversation on the broadcast around, you know, drivers and spotters trying to take note of who works well together, like towards the end of the race. Who did you guys have on your list? I know Blaney mentioned Brad was on his list of working well together, which I was a little surprised about. It's not so much working well together, but you notice fast cars. Like the 11. super fast yesterday. The 12 was super fast yesterday. Brad was good. Like you just notice who's got the best

cars and that's the guy you want to work with. It all comes down to the handling too because they're and I've been doing this enough now that I've heard the word handling come up and they won't push. If they're not comfortable they won't push. Yeah. And you've got to have these cars driving good to be able to push and I knew our car was driving good and Blaney's car was driving good because

we came out of the dog leg or out of the trial every time and we're pushing Blaney out of the trial if you're pushing through the trial oval you're pretty stuck like you're good now we were shoving him out of the it's hard to believe you were pushing anybody after that day yeah a 500 yeah wrecked half the field yeah I know he did you know I told I say I said above one time I was like the top line's rolling because the six is pushing to 12 but that didn't work out great last time we did it worked out great this time it's just certain cars if and you got to figure it out whether they can be push or not and there's guys that can can

get pushed too like there's some guys that Handed handled being pushed. Blaney's one of the guys. We saw that with who was Harrison. You know, Harrison and Ricky here. As soon as Ricky got to his bumper, he got Harrison out of shape and how was the end of that? This is this. I've kind of wanted us to is like in Harrison's spot, do you really want to be in front of that?

I know you want to go to the front, but like, are you in a, are you ready for that? You know what I mean? Like I, I, we were, we were finally got that. We were trying to make a third lane because we were, we had to start to back. because we engine change and we were just working our guts out to try to get a third lane formed and we finally got one that was

half ass making progress and as we come by the tri-oval Harrison pulls up and I go at 21's leading us now that's probably not great and we didn't make it to the start finish line and you see certain guys leading lanes and you know like yeah

you know if you see the 43 the 9 the 12 the 47 if they pull up in front of the third lane it's gonna work it's gonna make a little progress yeah you can they know if it's if it's a possible you gotta have a guy that knows knows what he's doing. Like knows how to stall lanes and move your lane.

But when 21, literally there's a number of cars that we see. Oh, yeah. You know when that car pulls up like, yeah. Oh, there's plenty of them.

This is not going to go well. Yeah, I'm not saying. Repeat offenders kill the lanes. Yeah. What else we got? Are you going to. Are you?

Are you? Sorry. We'll get to more of this in spot on, spot off. What was your reaction to hear in Bowman? What's going to be out with a concussion? My reaction was not surprised. And I say that, Jason, because I was beside of his spotter, a long-time friend of mine, Kevin Hamlin.

And we were having some conversations around Alex's demeanor after the wreck over the radio. And I literally, when the red flag came out that day, I watched him get out of the car to see how he physically was looking. this opens up a major concern for me because this driver hit the wall and he made the comment over the radio that's the hardest I've ever hit the wall and his demeanor over the radio had his spotter concerned for his safety no concussion was ruled because he did not have to go to the infield care center because he continued on yet he continued to race. I think we just saw with the Tua incident with the Miami Dolphins that back-to-back concussions in a short amount of time can really mess you up, right? So I don't know that there is a solution to this. I don't have

anybody to blame for this, but Alex's safety was certainly in jeopardy for the rest of the Kansas race. It was in jeopardy when he got into the world of outlaw car, and that's probably when he realized, uh-oh, something's not right. I don't know that. I've text back and forth with him, but it was just to wish him well. It wasn't to ask questions or pry. But I would imagine when he got in that world of outlaw car, something wasn't right mechanically with him.

And that's when he raised the flag of, man, I probably need to be seen. And obviously it was determined that he had a concussion, and he did not need to race at Talladega. And all I'm going to say about that is, thank God, because there ain't a more dangerous place in the world to drive a race car than Talladega Super Speedway. But, man, how do we evaluate a guy that we didn't think need to be evaluated? But the signs were there, right?

But as a spotter, we don't know what to do in that situation. I don't know whether the text, you know, Justin Haley's girlfriend Libby or his mom or him or Chris Wright, I don't know what to do. If I'm in the situation, I don't know what to do. But this is scary that a hit that, as everybody, said on TV, he didn't look bad, was bad.

And it's very, Kevin Hamlin said, we had a prominent figure in our sport. I would call him a prominent figure in our sport that came out of the elevator shaft while we were all sitting

in the lobby at Michigan. TJ, were you in there for this? And he advised us that if we see our driver with a rear impact about to happen, what did he ask us to do,

TJ? Lean your head back. Tell your driver to lean their head back because we were coming on the hills of Kurt Busch backing his car in at Pocono, obviously suffering a very bad concussion. Here we are months later, and he's still not back. So if you see your driver backing it in, tell him to lean his head back. Well, that tells you where the brunt of the force is going in those kinds of wrecks.

Do we have time to do that? Sometimes, do they have time to listen to that and react to that? Oh, that's tough. But at the end of the day, Kevin Hamlin did an amazing job. He radioed him and said, lean your head back. And we saw how violent that in-car camera was with Alex. Bowman, obviously concussions are when your brain bounces off of your skull. I, this has created a lot of concern.

There was already concern off a Kurtz deal, and I would say concern was that a six, after Bowman happened, Freddie, I'd say these guys are at about a 10.10. And the thing that concerns me is a lot of these guys, they're competitors, right? I mean, we see this in all forms of sports. We see this everywhere. Credit to Alex for actually coming forward and saying he's got an issue, because I know for a fact, there's guys out there that feel probably similar to Alex or have had issues, and they're not going to say anything because they don't want to get out of the car. A driver's biggest fear is someone else driving their race car.

Yeah. And it's just, it's like if you're going to, like this is like, you know, please, if you have an issue, you feel, because the problem is if you have one concussion, the next one's going to happen way easier, you know, and then down the line and it's only going to get worse. I'm sure Dale can tell you that. I don't know if the next one's easier. Well, I'm just saying, but like it feels like it happens. It seems like it happens.

But there's scientific proof after you've had three. You're in trouble. But I mean, I definitely think like with the football deal, two in a short amount of time. That's not good for sure. So I'm saying. Like if you have a big crash somewhere, like, and if you feel anything, like don't get back in the car

or at least get checked out. Make sure you're good. You know, it's just. This is just a race. I mean, this is a sport. You know what I mean? your safety and your health come first. Your well-being, yeah,

you're well-being from years in the future. I mean, you could, like, Timmy Salamito was a kid that I helped out, like a young kid that was running, modified and stuff, and he had a big wreck at the Atlantic City Gambl's Classic and a TQ Midget and, like, literally broke his helmet on the wall

and had a bad concussion. And then, like, I was like, you need to take a year off. Like, you can't, you should not be back in a race car into, because he, oh, I'm okay, but like, I still feel a little bit. I'm like, if you feel anything,

and stopped getting in a race car. And then he went out and crashed again and got another concussion. I don't know, six months later or so. But I'll give huge props to NASCAR for everything that they put in place to measure, to baseline these guys' brains and to monitor it.

But now we're to the point where they're getting concussions in wrecks that they can continue on the race. And I don't know how, I don't know what you do. Yeah. What's the protocol? Like do you bring them down pit road? Like you can't stop the race to give them a,

a concussion protocol test. Like, I don't know what that is. And there's so many more factors, too, obviously not as important as somebody's health, but, you know, the teams, when it comes to sponsors, when it comes to a driver that may be on a lower budget team that gets paid per race

that needs that salary. I mean, there's so many factors. Tons of factors. I'd imagine that driver has a lot to think about and before he decides, like, so you make a call. I, you know, Kurt's situation, he was sidelined by NASCAR. Make no mistake about it.

He was parked. Hey, buddy. You can't race. Alex's situation, big hats off to him for saying, hey, something's wrong because he was only one that knew that in that car. And of all the places we go to race, this is going to sound crazy. Of all the places we go to race, Talladega is the easiest to drive for a driver. Elliot told me a million times, Brett, your grandmother could get in that car and qualify it just as fast as I can. You get in there, you hold it wide open, and you're running around the bottom for a lap.

Your grandma could do that. Obviously, the strategy of drafting completely changes that. It's a game of chess at 200 miles an hour. But in terms of actually driving the car on your body, it's the easiest place to go. It's obviously, or it is one of the most dangerous places to go as well because of the wreck factor. But Alex could have easily said, man, I'm going to push through right here. It's my team. It's my sponsor.

It's Rick Hendry. I'm in the playoffs. I'm in the playoffs. I've got all this pressure in the world. on me, he deserves a freaking award for manning up and doing what's best for him. Yeah. I have, I have, there have been times of my life when I wanted to choke the guy for doing immature things.

This was a long time ago. Like, I've seen him grow up. I've seen him make better decisions. This is hands down an amazing mature decision by Alex Bowman. So what happens next now as far as concussion for the cause? He'll go through various tests before he can get cleared for Charlotte. They've got a couple tests. that they do. I had the names written down in my phone that Tom Bryant when NASCAR gave me,

and I couldn't pronounce any of them. I had to Google how to pronounce them, but they got a couple tests they do. One is very thorough at the beginning of the year, and the other one is one they do after accidents. So again, we're speaking to the baseline stuff and the neurologist. They've got three neurologists they work with. I just hope he's okay, man. I don't know, you know, when he can come back, obviously, it's probably got to be, and now he's got to be released by by NASCAR and by his own personal doctor. And look, man, the Roval ain't an easy one to come back at. It's, we talk about easy to drive at Talladega.

The Roval's not easy to drive. No, no, not at all. You're slamming on brakes. You turn it left. You're turning right. It's quite a challenge, I would imagine. Yeah, the, you know, the places where we see the concussions seems to be where they back in. Oh, yeah.

That's always. So, you know, it's going to be hard. to, I think, I mean, it just seems like mile and a half stuff really is where the dangerous part is. I mean, you can still wreck hard at Martin'sville and stuff. But I think as far as like carrying all that corner speed and backing in and stuff like that, I think what do we have left? Speaking of corner speed and hitting hard, how about Corey the Joy yesterday? Oh, scared the heck out of me. You know what happened? Yeah, I heard. I don't want to say, but what I heard, I was like, it wasn't a blown tire.

I looked at so the angle of the wreck. I thought he blew it right front. That's what on the broadcast. That's what it sounded like. Yeah. And that was not the case. No. No.

It had a major malfunction inside of the cockpit. Major malfunction. And it wasn't anything to do with a driver. Nothing to do with the driver. No, he didn't fall asleep at the wheel, ladies of gentlemen. You ever drive a little tax car when you turn the wheel and the wheels don't turn? Yep. That's kind of what happened to Corey yesterday.

It happened to me in the golf cart. It did happen to you on a golf car. Very similar situation. He's a clue. He's running a 200. and you're running too. Yeah, fair. The parts for the both

that got on. Thank God you had on a Hanselized, Casey. Before we... Before we move on, before I forget, talking about injuries. DJ Vanderlea had a bad wreck at Texas last week. I know his dad's a big fan of the show.

Every time I ran into him at Millbridge, he would talk about how much of idiots we are on the podcast. Go to Casey, or King's screen printing, buy a DJ strong t-shirt right now. They're selling them on another 20 bucks. All the proceeds go to DJ's family.

Obviously, he's got a long road ahead of him. Best wishes to him. But yeah, go to Key. I can screen printing. I'll tweet it out. Okay. I bought a few. Like, I mean, anything we could do to support.

And I saw, I was there a day picking up some stuff for Coucher and I seen the shirts look great. So. Very sad deal. Yeah, I mean, terrible deal for him. But just, I know they're fans of the show. So thinking about him, best wishes to him. But go support the family.

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It goes like this. Spot on means you agree. I'm spot on. Are you joking me? He's lost his mind. Oh, and by the way, no one ever seems to agree. And then spot off means you disagree. Spot off.

Here we fucking go. This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. But if you're T. Um, uh, uh, uh, there's only one correct answer. I don't know. It's time for spot on, spot off. Spot on, spot off. First topic, the next-gen car is great for Super Speedway racing.

Oh, boy. I think Jason put this in there just to see us go nuts. I read this last night. I was like, this is I'm trying to piss us off. And it's working. Let's start with Brett. Oh, man. Spot on.

Yeah, spot on. It was super fun yesterday to ride around there and just keep. knocking the hell out of each other and have nowhere to go. It's very frustrating. And again, I love Super Speedway Racing. There were a few factors that made me want to come back full-time spotting this year. Super Speedway Racing was one of the top three or four. And the racing is not great.

It has to be the top line yesterday, when we would get three wide, the top line could not sustain any sort of energy, get momentum, it was a legit struggle. I mean, there were a couple times that there were three to four cars up there that generally speaking, like a Bubba Wallace, that can pull a line, right? Some guys, some guys' cars are fast enough. Corey LaJoy, bless us heart, he's not going to get up there and pull the top line. Okay, it's not going to happen.

Let's just be realistic. Bubba Wallace, 100%. He's supposed to be able to get up there and pull the top line. And there were multiple times yesterday that it just legitimately cannot form. And that place is five lanes wide. It's almost like we've done what we did at Michigan. We ruined Michigan. When we repaved it, we come back and it's a single-lane racetrack.

Talladega is not supposed to be a two-lane race. It's supposed to be a three, four, five-lane race. And the Ximidity Series cars are harder to drive. Let's just be honest. They're harder to drive. If you get up there and knock the piss out of each other, guess what you're going to do at Talladega? Crash. You're going to wreck.

Guess what happens when we knocked the hell out of each other yesterday? Nothing. We went faster. We went faster. That's the answer. We went faster knocking the ever-living hell out of each other at 180 miles an hour. So I am, Jason, on your topic. The next-gen car is great for super speedway racing.

Spot off. Listen, the two things, like this car has ruined our best two avenues of racing. Short tracks and super speedways. Like, I'll give you credit. It's 100% better lately at a mile and a halfs than we have. in the past. Million times. But the racing that we've kind of been built on was short tracks and super speedways.

And they, they're not good anymore. Like to Brett's point, we were in the back a lot yesterday. We started in the back and just the way stage breaks and stuff worked out. We were in the back. And Bubba typically, we're super aggressive.

We always try to get to the lead. So we're just trying to get to the top lane. And in the past, in the last car, we could go to top lane and be in the top five within three or four laps. Like we can make some stuff happen, get that top lane, get the top lane rolling. Yesterday, I couldn't do it. Like, we could not, we'd get up there.

We'd have three or four guys go with us. We'd get to about 10th or 15th and just fall apart. Like every time we tried, the one time we had a little bit of momentum was when Harrison pulled up and we all got wrecked. Same. I was in that. But, you know, like, and I'll tell you, another thing yesterday, we didn't have, a lot of people was like, oh, we didn't have a big one. You know why we didn't have a big one? These guys are afraid to crash.

Like how many drivers? Bubbin didn't. Bubbin never voiced it. But we talked to drivers last night. We talked to drivers throughout the weekend. They were, they were, I seen Ross did an interview. They were afraid to crash. You can't have a race where these guys are terrified of crashing because they don't know what's going to happen.

So that's why you didn't, I mean, not that the aggression level was turned all the way down, but there was, obviously, it was lower because we didn't have the big wreck. And I think it was part, TJ, because these guys were afraid to crash yesterday. I don't know. It wasn't obviously the best super speed race that I've seen. but I don't think it's I don't mind not five guys being in a, you know, get a run, anybody able to get a run.

I like the fact that you have to work for track position a little bit. You have to do things to try to get it and make things happen like that. And I saw some, I saw plenty of blocks up front that were super aggressive. I saw a lot of, well, that was, yes, that one too, but the 99 was really aggressive. There was some pretty good pushing going on up there too. Like they were, they were,

but only in the top four. Yeah, it was definitely harder to get there. But like, you know what? I'd almost rather, I'd almost rather have that than you'd be able to go out there and get a run from 13th and just drive up B5 wide. I don't think this is the greatest package, but I don't mind it being harder to do.

The problem was, no matter how hard you worked, if you weren't in the top three of your row, you couldn't do, like, you could be the best player racing in the world. You couldn't do anything. No, you were riding. If you were eighth place on the outside, you were just chilling there. Yeah, and that's the thing I don't like. You know, because like there's guys out there.

Logano's a perfect example. Like the most aggressive plate racer was in the back all day long because. Well, he got wrecked. But when did he get wreck? In that Harrison wreck, he was in that. He didn't try to race again. He never tried to. He never even attempted to race again.

But that was their, they were padding their points. They were like, they were point racing. It's just like there's guys that can make stuff happen and they just couldn't do it yesterday. You know, like I still saw the guys. I still saw the guys that didn't start up front and get to the front. How many times of Martin Truex tried yesterday? When the green flag dropped, his race was over.

You saw the good guys of their play race and get to the front of it. How many times Austin Dillon tried yesterday? Same as Mara. The Bass Pro shops were together back there. How many times Joy Lagano tried. He was in the first stage a little bit. Yeah, he was rolling in the beginning. At the end of the race, he was hanging on to the back of the pack,

and I don't mean hanging on as in he sucked. I mean hanging on as in he didn't, he wanted nothing to do with it. I think there's a huge. But that's because he was point racing. Yeah, I look, man. It's point race. They literally said they told me we're not going to, we're paying. We had 60,000 people pay for grandstand tickets yesterday, okay?

Plus whatever was in the infield. I'll say another 20,000 are out there making babies. But we had 60,000 people pay to watch a race yesterday. And we were at Talladega, a five-lane racetrack. And we ran two by two for 90% of that race. I will give them credit in that. a ton of lead changes, but I think a difference between the spring race and even Daytona. Well, Dayton is a different story.

We cannot go back to Talladega Super Speedway and run two by two for four fucking hours. How ironic was it that Joey Logano last week said these guys that ride around the back aren't working. They don't deserve finishes. And then he does that. And then he rode around the back all day yesterday. But I mean, there's opportunity to flip your strategy. though. We rode around the back the first part of the race. And we got to the front. I'm not saying that. I'm saying

but you got to the front by pitch strategy. Yeah. I mean, but that's okay. I mean, why does it have to be another way? No, but I'm saying if you like, Brad is an accomplished plate racing. Well, no, not all by it. We restarted like 12th on the outside and we got up to the top. We got behind Blaney at some point. Here's where you're missing the boat. In my opinion. How talented is Brad as a plate racer? Probably one of the best. How much did that factor into where he would feel?

finish yesterday. Well, we spent on pit road, so. Regardless. But we got. How much, how much would that have factored into where he finished yesterday? If, let me finish if he doesn't have great track position with 10 to go. Oh, you got a track position. Where did you finish?

I don't know. We live down. Well, you got a lucky dog. Yeah. But in years past, like you could make stuff happen on a green white checker and get back to the top 10. Nope, not in this car. But the only way that's going to happen is if everyone, everyone can get a 30-mile hour run and make a big, take a big run. I'm okay with that not happening.

Did you, but I'm saying, we made our own luck. Brad's talent is significantly discounted in this car at Talladega Super Speedway. True or false? I think that's partially false because we, he knows that partially is it true false? I think it's false because Brad figured out how to push Blaine. He was learning the, because he was second in line. If you're sixth in line, you're not going anywhere. But he also, yeah, I mean, that's, if you're six in line, you've got to wait to see what happens. But we were in that spot. We got up there because we were 12. Who's a better, who's a better play racer? Brad Keselowski or Todd Gilland.

I made a Chris Lodgellad. Not yesterday. Todd Gillland was. But I will say this. It's not because of Todd Gillland is. It's because of his car and because of where he's positioned in the line. Todd did a really good job yesterday. He did a great job.

He was behind us a lot of that run. I was worried. I looked up one time. I said, oh, 38th's leading the top line is going to go backwards. And it didn't. No, he did a good job. He did a good job. That's because also Cendrick finally decided a man up and push.

Did you? What did the radio transmission say? I'm not saying what I used a bad word. I'm not. I've quit. I'm doing. Okay. I just don't.

$100 since you cuss. I went to big house last night. I don't think I got $100. I think there can be some word done on it, but I'm okay with it being a strategy and, you know, having to work more to get there. I'm not okay with what happened yesterday. Do you think, and then Jason, I'll shut up.

We can move on. Do you think that 185 miles an hour that the car behind you should be able to drive up to you and knock the ever-living out of you? Because that's what they're doing out there. Some of them. I couldn't hit anybody yesterday. But do you saw what happened in the front? Do you think at 185 miles an hour

someone should be able to hit you that hard and you maintain control? Do you think that's good racing? I don't think it's as easy as what you're saying it is because we had to work on our car to go to get to that. If it's not easy, why don't we see a big wreck yesterday? Well, people are also scared.

Well, I think there's two things. I think it's harder to do. I think scared is a weird word. I don't think they're as scared as you think. I said in my driver's meeting. Okay, we had a team meeting. Okay, we had a team meeting, and I had Daniel Hemrick in there. He drove a 16 car yesterday.

Obviously, Justin drove to 31. And I said, you guys are talking all this talk, but when y'all put these helmets on, you're going to turn into a bunch of animals because that's what you do. I disagree with you. I think these guys, it was in their minds. Ross Chastain got out of his car and said he had stomach aches because he was worried about crashing. There's a guy that we talked to last night at dinner that said, when we went green, he was only worried about wrecking.

Like it's in their mind when they're out there Whether they're not they act on it or whatnot But the fact that it's in the back of their mind You can't be out there doing what they do And worried about wrecking But so you're saying they all drove more sensible Because they're worried about wrecking I don't know

No, I'm not saying that I'm just saying I mean it looked a lot more I mean they drove with a lot more There was a lot There weren't as many as aggressive moves yesterday As I've seen in the past There was definitely wasn't as much

There just shows because we didn't have the big wreck But I don't know that they changed the way they drove it's like an accepted fact that we're going to wreck at these places down? I think it's a bit of both. I saw a bit of both. And these guys are, but I didn't see a bad race yesterday. Like I don't want this to come across wrong. I did not see a bad race. I just hated the way we had to race. That was my struggle.

Like if I were, you know, sitting at home on the couch watching drinking a cold beer, like I might have loved that. I don't know. The end of the race was close. Like it's not like... I can tell you this. Those guys in the front that are in that spot, like Eric Jones drove his ass off all day. Ryan Blaney, drove his ass off mostly. Went to the back, too, came back to the front. Brad drove his ass off.

Eric Jones is one of the best plate racers in the sport right now. And he was showing it yesterday, too. Eric Jones, hands down, I don't know Eric. I don't think I've ever even been in the same room with Eric, but he is hands down one of the best plate race. He's gotten really good at it. You'd like Eric. I heard.

I just like his Lego. He looks like a, he's got Lego, perfect Lego hair. Speaking of Green. He does have Lego hair. He has perfect Lego hair. Like, you know, he pulled a little hair off the guy and set it back. down. That's Jason. I'm sorry. I'm going to divert here for a second. Speaking of

green white checkers. Speaking of a green white checker, at what point in our sport did we start throwing caution flags for guys parked and pit stalls? There should have a lot more caution this way, Ben. Literally, so we're running around

there for a two laps or so. I loved it. I think it was the greatest move. I heard, I heard, does a 16 have power, which that means nine times out of ten, there's a car rolling the apron somewhere that's stalled or slow but he's rolling back and I'm like I can't see him where the where is he like I'm looking the whole apron both aprons down the backstretch I'm like the 16 half power what's 16 got going on and I'm like where the hell is he then put it out 16 now they're like he's on pit road and I look down he's in a pit box on pit road put it out like what what what are we

doing like are we just trying to f*** around so we got to talk about on this show now like what What is going on? No more green flag pit stops. As soon as the car stops on pit road. And from now on, all you crew chiefs that work on your cars on pit road after you've been in an accident under green on the 10 mother fucking minute clock,

that's how many minutes you have to fix your car if you hit the wall. I'm aware. You're not allowed to do that anymore. Look, I don't know what they should have done here. Obviously, Daniel Hemrick was sitting there. would I have like for them to say, hey, Daniel Hemrick, there's five minutes left in this race. Stay buckled in and we're going to finish it.

Yes, but I don't know what they do there. Like, I don't know what I'd have done if I'd have been in the tower. I know. Freddie, I know you're mad at me right now. I'm not even going to look at you. During the truck race, there was a wreck right by there. I can see you looking at me over here. I can see you.

He's in a pit box. I know. All right. Moving on and continuing the next gen topic, Cup drivers held a driver's only meeting in Talladega to discuss the state of this current car. Freddie, spot on, spot off. Spot on.

Obviously, the drivers need a better voice. Brett and I have heard that there is another meeting this week, correct? That's a word. Word Saturday. It was a meeting with NASCAR, the drivers in NASCAR this week. Listen, there is a growing concern, like Brett said. It was at a five or a six with Kurt,

and now it's been ratcheted up because these guys don't, like you could essentially, if you back in the wall next week, your playoff race is over. These guys, 10 or 12 guys are in there. Your chance of the championship's over if you hit the wall backwards right now, like,

or potentially it's over. So, you know, they're going to do crash testing this week, I heard in somewhere in Ohio. I don't, I don't, the drivers need to have a better say, obviously.

And listen, Burton is kind of the one, the ringleader of this, Jeff Burton. He's the spokesman for the Drivers Council. And hopefully something comes out of it. You know, there's a lot of guys that talk in the media and do a lot and maybe aren't part of the solution.

Like there's the guys that work behind the scenes to make things better. And then there's guys that just kind of talk about it and don't really do a lot to help anything. They just want it fixed for them. So hopefully they got a better voice and move this, move the, needle along a little bit here? I am

I'm spot on for drivers only meetings. I honestly feel like they should have three to four these a year. I feel like they should be on the calendars. They're all at the racetrack together. There's no reason they can't get together as a state of the union, a state of the sport kind of conversation.

Where I'm struggling with this is Denny Hamlin and Brett Kesslowski are in, in my mind, identical situations. They're both exceptional race car drivers. They're both part team owners. and yet publicly they are on opposite sides of the spectrum in the way that they're approaching this.

And I'm not saying one's right and one's wrong. But when you look at, as TJ has decided to design a Lego man, Eric Jones on his phone, which I don't know if he's got the balls to share it. But when you look at Brad and Denny, Brad is kissing NASCAR's ass, for lack of a better. word. Yes. And Denny is coming at NASCAR's ass for the things that he has concern about. So I don't know how two people in identical situation can be so different in their approach. There's a lot on the line right now for a lot of people. And what that really means, Casey is money, right? Money. It's going to cost money to change this car. There are drivers that do not want a rear clip on this car, a new rear clip. They want an entire new car because of what we just talked about, how poorly it races at Super Speedways,

how poorly it races at short tracks. I mean, we went to Martinsville and couldn't pass. That's unheard of. We're going to redo it again. And yeah, I mean, we just tested there and we didn't see much progress. So I think the drivers need to do this, but the big question becomes, at what point do the drivers and owners realize the amount of leverage they have in this sport?

Because the owners provide the vehicle, well guess what if there's no vehicle there's no race the drivers fill the seats and i'm going to tell you something 60,000 people didn't come to talladega yesterday and buy tickets to sit in the grandstands because of the word NASCAR they came to sit in the stands because of what these drivers i'll say it again the drivers go out and do the driver's personality on TV the drivers are the driving force in this sport and when they have a problem, and they have a problem right now, they have a massive problem, and I'm interested to see where it goes.

Do I want to see our driver strike? Hell no. Do I want to see our driver say we're not going to race? No. Do I want to see us make, look, we got to give them confidence. I mean, to Freddy's point, you got to be confident. You can go out and do your job. Are you going to be scared, T.J.?

Yeah, I don't agree with the, you know, just because, Denny does it one way doesn't mean everybody has to do it that way. That's just Danny's approach. And I don't necessarily think one's kissing, you know, NASCAR's ass. I don't think that's what I think Brad just has a different approach at it and probably does it. You know, if he might raise his hand and speak quieter behind closed doors. But he knows that's just his way. I mean, you know, you Casey's kid might come up screaming for a sucker and my might come up and say, hey, can I please have a son?

I'll take the opposite. literally happened yesterday. I'm just saying no, but everyone, everyone kind of does things differently. And Denny's obviously been known for speaking out, which is great for the, it's, it's good to have variety and things. But I don't think necessarily one's right and one's wrong. I mean, obviously Denny gets more of a reaction. And sometimes you need that.

I do think there's times that benefits. Sometimes actions need to be taken and just different approaches. But I definitely, I don't know if, um, you know, I'm glad they're raising concerns and whether, you know, I'm glad NASCAR is listening and I'm sure there's fixes that they can come up with. And there's a lot of smart people. We've talked about it. There are. And I guess this is where my next kind of, I don't know, topic comes from is, you know, Bob Packers tweeted that they're going to take a car and crash it some more and do more testing on it. It's October. Like it's October. It's not January. It's October. We're clearly not. We don't have time to make changes on this year's car at this point. But these guys had all these concerns over the last year, right? Even before we got to this year, they were concerned about the crash data they were hearing about.

So, like, I don't understand how Bob Pockris has the ability to come out and publicly say what NASCAR is doing. Why didn't NASCAR come out and say what NASCAR is doing? Why didn't NASCAR come out and say, hey, we hear all these guys. we're going to have a meeting with these guys on this date and in the meantime, this is what we're doing. Once again, NASCAR PR is allowing someone else to control the narrative of their business. And those people are the drivers and the media

because they haven't come out and said, this is what's going on and this is what we're doing. Instead, they're saying nothing. Oh, they said something this week. What they say? That we bought quarter midgets. Right? They're doing a partnership with you.

So they had a big, like all this stuff is going on and NASCAR comes down and goes we got a big announcement at noon on Sunday and I'm like oh maybe they're going to announce the fact that they're going to try to do something for these drivers made the car better and then a friend of ours texts and he goes I think NASCAR's announcing a quarter midget deal and I'm like no way that's that's not the big announcement right no it was that was the big announcement but we got quarter midgets now I don't understand um I don't understand why they don't control their own narrative because this is as serious of a topic as any topic I've ever been a part of in a sport. Yeah, you got different size of it too, though. You got Danny and a few others,

you know, preaching for safety, which they should. But then you got others that just don't like the parts and cause, you know, stirring up stuff there. And but guess who just so we have a, let's let's rewind. You're making a great point. We're rewining. In the past, Jason, back that so in the past, teams built almost from the ground up, they're raising. They're car right who's responsible for building the car in that scenario the teams now teams do not do that the vertical integrated supply chain is owned by who dascar that's a big deal listen so and there's a spotter that i that we were talking about this and he made a great point to me about it and i don't know if he wants to be named so i'm not going to name them but in years past the rear clip essentially

held the fuel cell in the car. That was the majority of the purpose of the rear clip before we had independent rear suspension. Now we had to obviously change the design of the rear clip to hold this independent suspension and it's much more rigid, it's much stiffer. Like before, we used to, you back in the fence, it would back up to the rear window

because they're beating hammers on the deck lid down. So we just now have to, we have totally redesigned the back of the car. So now we have to come up with a way to get that to crush, unfortunately, and it's not happening. Like, Cody Ware, he's limping around there this week, but, you know, the wreck he had last week was ridiculous. Oh, harsh hit.

Yeah. But he hit with the front lucky for him, because if that was a rear collision, like, God help him. And everything did everything. Everything collapsed, like the car crushed. I mean, the right front tire was basically at the windshield. So when a guy's used to back it in. That's a good thing. That's what you want.

I would back it in. Two things would happen. And it would either it would crank out the deck lid or the thing was dragging the ground because it gave. And that's the like a sprint car. When a sprint car flips it has a wing on it, that wing softens a lot of the wrecks. It's just, you know, like in years past that that rear clip was essentially just back there to hold the fuel cell in and then mounts. But now it's got to be much more rigid because of the independent rear suspension. I think there's adjustments they can make.

I think there's things they can do. They're obviously doing it this week and we'll see. but it means another offseason of testing, I assume. Thanks to Bob for keeping us updated. Thanks. Bob is the man. He is. He is the best. Chase Elliott is the first still eligible playoff driver to win a race,

five races into the postseason. Spot on, spot off, TJ. I mean, I'm not surprised that Chase is really good at plate races and he made a really good move. He got a little help at the end at the right time. and made a big move and and won the race. So I'm kind of surprised we are this far into the playoffs.

Oh, and this is a little surprising. Most time you have, you know, like last year, Larsson would have won three races by now and had a 7,800 point lead before Phoenix. But it's tight. I mean, looking at the points right now, I know we're going to talk about it,

but it's close. You typically see the drivers that are in the playoff if there's 16 of them. They're typically 16 of the top 17. guys. If there's 12 of them, they're 12 of the top 14 guys. Like, it's, they usually bring their a game and obviously they usually go out and win these races. And I think this car has opened up the door for that not to happen. The parity is there. And man, I, I don't know. I, am I surprised that we're this far in and finally a playoff guy won, 100%. Is it great for the sport that Bubba Wallace

want to race? Chris Buster want to race. You know, like, yeah, I mean, that's cool. too. They're trying to build their name, build their brand. I'm just, I'm very surprised. This tells us something, and I don't know necessarily how to articulate what that something is. Yeah, I mean, last year we made a big deal of we won Talladega last year, and that was like the first time

a non-playoff guy had won, I think, since Jamie Mack or something. And now this year, four of us won. You know, four non-playoff guys won. So it's, it's interesting. I don't know. I will say that race ended under rain, though, so it didn't really miss my ass. It really didn't.

It really didn't get the fair shake at the end. I mean, a win's a win. But I mean, blocked your ass. That's all the matter. You didn't have to blight. We were riding there.

And then it's our rain. You were sitting duck. Sitting duck in victory lane. In the rain, dude. That's the name of your show right there, Jason. Sitting duck and victory lane. God, man, speaking of that word, my little guy. Oh, no.

He's 10. He's like. Brett's on swearing. He's like, weird. He's like, dad, what does the B word mean?

I was like, what B word, B, B? He's like, B, B. I was like, oh, God. I said, well, Bodie,

it's a very degrading word if you use it toward a human because it actually means a female dog. You know what he looks at me and says? So you're telling me Rosie's the .

I'm like, oh God. Rosie, somebody has scalped poor Rosie. I went to the house last week. Oh, he cut in my house. You don't know, no, no.

We're just keeping the dog. part. My bird got on his shoulder. And that bird went to chewing on his ear. And me and Megan were crying. Listen. I can't believe you did video it. I couldn't video and I was laughing too hard.

Did it hurt? Yeah, did it hurt. Son of a bit my ear. So then so then I'm trying to get him off of my ear with my hand and he's biting my finger now. Like this thing's chewing on me. He's screaming, come get this

bird off of me. I'm going to bring it in the studio. Yeah, put it on T.J. Mike's always wanted a bird. He thinks he wants a bird. Oh my gosh. That bird's an ass. Put him on T.J.

And it loves to pick your beard. Like he'll sit there. I'll be ashamed by then. Let it over and Casey. It's back on the rails, Casey. I'm sorry. I mean, this is pretty hilarious. All right.

This is a scary one. Jordan Anderson, unbuckling and climbing out of his truck as it hit the wall. Spot on, spot off. Brett. Oh, man, I actually had a bunch of tweets about this over the weekend. And Dale Jr. replied to one of them.

Obviously, Dale Jr. has been in a fire in a car where he suffered burns, speaking from experience. And he summed it up as you're in a 700-degree furnace. And even though, quote, you're not on fire, your body still fills all that heat and you want to get out. I think that we have to take this. Look, I'm not Jordan Anderson. I can't be critical of him wanting to get out of a truck that's on fire. Obviously, as a sport, though, we have to look at this and we have to learn from it,

because there are multiple things that could have severely injured him or killed him. Take it from the beginning. He's buckling, unbuckling to, he wants out. He's unbuckling out of his truck. And the only way to get out of your truck after you unbuckle is to remove the steering wheel. So in front of you is a steering column that had he hit head on, unbuckled, it's going to stab him in his chest and it's going to go through him like a sword. Okay?

That's your first challenge. The second challenge is he wants to get out. So if he's able to get out and that wall is not there, he's going to fall out of the truck. What if there's other trucks wrecking behind him or what if there's other trucks behind him because we don't know where he's going to fall out of the truck in any given scenario. This scenario, he just so happens to be going toward a wall. Thank God. because it's almost like the wall was the safest place for him to be.

But that same wall could have broke his back. He could have been crushed. This is a learning opportunity for us as a sport. What do we learn? I don't know. But I think you go back and you say, was he wearing a head sock? Was he wearing a helmet skirt? Are the fire suits as safe as they can be?

Because the fire suits, I mean, was talking to David Pepper yesterday, team manager for Thor sport. We've seen the fire suits get lighter and lighter. The material change so that they can print differently, the graphics and sponsorship logos. I remember Bill Simpson setting himself on fire in the 90s and saying, look how safe my freaking fire suit is.

Well, I'm going to tell you who didn't feel safe in his truck, Jordan Anderson. And so when I look at this thing, Casey, like I want to say, Jordan, don't unbuckle. Jordan, wait until your truck has come to a complete stop. I've never been in a fire. I don't know what it's like, but I'd imagine you want to get the hell out of there.

I do know that mentally he was willing to jump out of the truck even though it was moving, but he could have been killed in multiple, multiple scenarios could have been run over, could have been crushed against this wall. This guy is arguably the luckiest guy in America on that given day. Is there any sort of training that takes place for a driver or a situation such as this? I know what mask car is going to tell you. Stay buckled in until you come to a complete stop, right?

I mean, that's the rule of thumb. But they're not on fire. They're not the one upside down in the car. It's easy to say those things when it's not you. And it's easy to say that makes sense when it's not you. you when it's you and a state of panic kicks in TJ like I I just think we have to look at this and say thank God he didn't die thank God he's not severely injured what do we learn here I was definitely there it might be one of the craziest things I've ever seen at the track

I don't know if I've ever seen anybody bail out like that luckily he was almost coming to a stop when he did there's definitely got to be a fuel line broke or something I don't know. That's what I heard. The biggest thing was like the thing I took away from it was this thing was on fire instantly. It wasn't a like an engine. I thought it was like normally you see like an engine blow up and then eventually it catches on fire. Like he went to turn one and it was just a fireball going into turn one like instantly.

Yeah. I think from what I heard a fuel line broke or something and it was just spraying fuel. So I don't know if there's a why that happened or whatever. But obviously there was a lot of fuel. or something was getting through the firewall. And it's not supposed to do that. Or maybe it was inside. I don't know.

Like to Brett's point, this has got to be a learning for everybody. And it's not such as NASCAR. It's the drivers. Wear the right stuff. You know, wear your head sock. Wear your helmet skirt.

We see, he always says, we're picking on him. Noah Graxon walks down pit road with his fire suit undone and his bare chest out. Where your damn fireproof underwear? Like where,

wear the stuff that you need to be wearing to stay safe in there. Like if you don't have a head sock and fire, you know, the reason why Jordan is burned as bad as he is is because he, I don't know this for a fact, but he probably didn't have a head sock on or he didn't have a helmet skirt. Like, you know, because I heard it burns to his face. You know,

it's just a learning experience. Obviously you want to say, I've never been on fire. Luckily, knock on wood. And it's, but, you know, there's also the fire sandwich for stuff that seems to

the truck or inside all the cars as well. Does that help in that scenario? I mean, if you think about, you know, if you think to pull it, but it's just, honestly, I don't know. I don't think so. I don't know. I don't think so. I don't think so.

I don't say, I don't know if any driver that's ever pulled it. Yeah, I was going to say, how do you, how would you know where it is to be able to reach that? You, you know where it's at. The fire, the fire was to be able to. I mean, if it's on fire and you got, you get, that thing's not going to be. We've seen plenty of cars, blow motors, and there have been fire. up under the hood and they're, I mean, they're fine in a car.

He made up his mind. He was not going to burn any longer inside of that race car and was getting out at all cost. Yep. He's, he's just the, there's no way to put a number on how lucky he is. No, yeah. The angle he hit the wall at alone, instead of catapulting him forward or backwards, it catapulted him on top of the wall. Perfect.

Like it, like, the, like, honestly, when I saw that, I was happy. I was like, good he's out of the way. nothing else can happen. It's just, I mean, but your instinct though is what an idiot. But that's not the case here. No, he's fearing for his life.

He's scared he's going to burn to death. Yeah. You can't, yeah, there's no way you can criticize him for doing what he did because, I mean, I can't imagine what it's like to be on fire and feel like you're helpless. That whole race was crazy.

Like, even all the way to the reason that the, I don't know, the whole race was crazy. The fact that you threw the caution with 100 feet left in the race, when nobody, listen, when that caution comes out and you're running in the top 10, are your driver's going to lift?

No. Caution's out. Everybody lives. We obviously didn't live. maintain your position. No. Yeah, we're racing back to the line. We're racing back to the line.

Even though you're hearing the caution is out, let the race finish. It's a matter of seconds. You can still dispatch equipment behind the wreck because they're coming to the checker. This was a pretty bad malfunction in NASCAR's decision-making process to not let this thing win because Matt even a deado is declared to winner and he wasn't even the first one to start finish line. And I promise you he didn't lift. And I promise you the other guy didn't lift. Should I go into my rant now, you think? Yeah, but you got one. You got a rant? Yeah. I would like to know, did somebody broke a rule here coming to the

checker flag in the truck race? Like, Matt de Benedetto was below the line passing the 99 truck, correct? That's not allowed. I agree. So somebody broke a rule. Either Matt de Benedetto broke a rule by going below the line to pass the 99. Can't do that. It's out of balance. Or the 99 forced Matt below the line to, and that's a penalty. That's not allowed either. Somehow these guys finished first and second.

That's not allowed. Like, and then I seen, I don't know, a statement that was one, I saw one statement that it was a racing incident that it's okay because it was a racing incident and Ben Rhodes didn't benefit from blocking Matt below the line. What? Um, and then I saw one that to put a guy below the lines of penalty, right? Yes. That's the way I understood.

The rule is the rule is you can't pass below a line. They're going to announce a penalty tomorrow. Tuesday. And then I saw another one that said they were trying to avoid the wreck that happened, 10 cars behind them. Like what happened? Like is it game on now? Like what?

I don't get it. I don't get it. Somebody broke a rule here. They can't finish one too. Either Matt de Medvedo is disqualified for passing below the line. where Ben Rhodes is disqualified for forcing him below the line. Well, the race, I saw another dude one

I never heard of. I think his name was Brett something, maybe. Holmes. John Holmes. John Holmes boy. Jason don't know who that is. Thanks a good thing. Move the shuttle along quickly

because everybody that's 40 years old is either really laughing right now or changing the channel. Casey, do you know who John Holmes is? I don't. I don't. I don't. So we're just going to move on.

Scary man. We are just going to move on from there. and continuing on two penalties. William Byron penalized 25 points and 50K. Jason, don't Google that. Denny Hamlin under caution at Texas. Spot on, spot off, Friday. I missed the entire question.

What was this? Will he be penalized after the Denny thing? Oh, okay. Spot on, spot off. Is it me? Yes. Spot on. Listen, I think a.

Essentially, what NASCAR did here was went back and looked and they essentially, Jason has just Googled John Holmes and his whole world. His world is changing. You're going to look at Chad differently the rest of his life. He's a young, small, cute guy. Okay. Keep going. Chad is.

Chad's not big, but he's cute. Okay. That's where we're going to leave this. Let's come move along. I'm going to keep the train. Jason's face right on. I just looked up like, I saw a name this. And I'm like, all right, it's probably good.

All of a sudden, Google wonders why 100,000 people on a Monday night at 7 o'clock are Googling Mr. Holmes. What up, Holmes? Well, how did you get fired again? This is our last show. Thanks for coming. Thanks, John. Where are we at? Byron.

Listen, I think what NASCAR essentially did. Not John. Oh, Jesus. I think essentially what NASCAR did here was. was the penalty was basically the same as if they would have parked him at the time of the incident. He lost 25 points. If they were to park them, that would have been about a 22, 23 point loss. So I think that's the route they took.

And I'm okay with it. I knew they were never going to suspend him, obviously. And the other instances with Kyle and Johnny were a little more severe than what, obviously, William did the Denny? One thing, somebody had texted me this week and they're like, do they have impact data on these cars at all times? And it was actually Scott Tapley, a buddy of mine. And he's like, I would be interested in know the impact of Alex Bowman backing into the wall,

which didn't look hard versus how hard William ran in the back of Denny. Because that was almost, that seemed as hard or harder to contact. And these guys got to remember that, especially like we saw Eric Jones tweeted at 3 o'clock in the morning. I know I like that guy. he's treated like 3 a.m. to tell Ty Gibbs to stop running into him on caution, under cautions. And then Ty did.

You know, Ty ran in the back of him under the yellow. These guys got to remember that now that these rear impacts are sustaining injuries. And then they shouldn't definitely should not be doing that. But yeah, it'd be interesting to see that. But I think that the penalty was just,

I think that, you know, this was essentially parking William at that point in the race. Brett. Yeah. Yeah, they had to do something. If they didn't see it, that's on them. If they saw it and didn't know what to do, that's on them. They were trying to make a right.

Denny is of the belief that he was going to win that race based on where he was, track position-wise, based on the fact that he had tires. I spoke to him about this. I'm not trying to blow Denny on here. But he was taken out of a position to potentially lock himself into the next round, win a race for his team and his sponsors.

That was taken away from him because of William's decision. And I like William Byron. I think he's a great race car driver, a good young kid. I want good things for him. But this was a bad decision, and he deserved what he got. E.J. I do think it's a good penalty. I think it's, I mean, I think it's easy to do from,

I think it would have been easy to handle during the race right there. I don't think you park a guy then, but he has to go to the back. I would have, and then I'm going to say this, I would have fined Denny Hamlin $10,000 because of what he did after the fact. Because we can't have a driver driving from 20th all the way to second, break checking, door slamming. Denny's mad, right? Yeah.

That has to be handled differently. Again, a great learning opportunity for NASCAR. Spotter stand, listen to the spotter, call it in. Instant messenger runner guy in the NASCAR booth, check your email. Crew chiefs and that are talking officials, radio it in. NASCAR look up on the goddamn big screen on the backstretched. It's 4 million miles big where they keep showing the replay over and over and over. You can't miss this.

You can't not have an opportunity to review this and fix it right then. So Hendrik has announced that's what I'm saying. Yeah. Hendrick has announced that they're appealing this. What's the process of like since it's, I mean, it's kind of going to happen? Well, that was something that I thought was interesting this week. Like, you don't know some of these guys don't know how to race. You know, you've got guys that are close to the cutoff line.

am I racing William Biden? Like this needed to be done last week in my opinion. But you don't know, like am I racing William Byron plus or minus 25 points? You know, because he's in or out. And now there's a guy where I think he's 11 points out right now, you know, or he's 14 points in. You know what I mean? Like so this is a big deal.

This needs to get done ASAP. And listen, it's not out of the question. A big penalty for it because Danny brought up a really good point. Yeah. What's to stop somebody else from doing it? What's to stop? you're out of the playoffs you know hey

what's stop you from just spinning the guy in front of you and him not maintaining track position you're going to pay it you're going to take that 25 point penalty and pay the fine no problem I'll take it yeah like if it's us like if it's Bobo or the 23 just imagine that this is Phoenix and both those guys are locked into the final four

and Denny Hamlin and William Byron a race for a championship and William wrecks him under a caution with 25 to go and this is what they do they do nothing Oh my whole. That's what I said last week. Canna worms.

And I didn't think about it. I seen somebody actually tweeted this to me. And we had talked about it on here about whether or not Danny should have given us, gotten a spot back. Portland, was a Portland? Where did you run Ty Gibbs over? They gave tie back, right?

I got a spot back. You know, so should Danny have gotten his spot back? Why, again, we go back to consistency. Jesse Wooji ran Ty over under yellow. But they put Ty back to the lead. They couldn't give Danny his spot back. because they didn't see it. I think we're also missing on here the other penalty for tie.

Well, that was just that. But I mean, to me, that wasn't stiff enough. Hitting another car on pit road where human beings are right there. He probably should have taken a week off, in my opinion. You're parked it. The penalty to tie. Speak for TJ. He's going to park somebody.

Doesn't make any sense because crew guys working right there. And an official. And an official. I almost feel like And you're raging I almost feel like the penalty should have been more so to tie

Exfinity tie versus cup tie because Oh now you're treading in cup tie Don't give me You know what I mean? Like what do you care about taking points away from cup tie? Like why?

All I'm going to tell you is the last time I remember them crossing over series is when Kevin Harvick got mad in a truck race And he parked at the back of the NASCAR hauler And they suspended him the very next day. And I believe Kenny Wallace

drove Kevin's car that day. This was, God, 15 years ago. When you start crossing into penalizing people in series or not even racing in, guess what that does? That gets their attention.

What does this? What was it, 75,000 and owner points or something? Like, does that matter to Ty Gibbs? Well, I guess he's going to tell you it does. And I guess, you know, I guess coach is going to cut his pay.

Right? I would hope that coach is making him pay the fine. But here's the thing. Ty, you owe me $75,000 and here's a contract to drive the 18 cup car. Do you learn anything from that? Man, I don't know. Dascar to me should have sent him to anger management. I see the same thing with this kid.

TJ is saying they should have parked him a race. Parking him in the cup race is, that's a pretty big hit. Well, I mean, he probably would have volunteered to park for this one. You know what I mean? Yeah. I don't know, man. I'm glad they did something. Okay, take them out for two.

I don't care. Just throw them out for the rest of the rest. Well, I mean, yeah, but. Don't do that on pair. Yeah, I mean, you got guys working on a car right here. There's an official standing there, and you're raging because the guy bumped you in the door. Like, that's not anything we should be messing with at all.

It needs to, like, we've talked. That's not as bad as when Bubba raged that time when I race and it quit with Blue Emu. That was way worse. Remember that? Social media uproar. Well, we are the most. most hated driver in the sport. He raged quit a video game. Congratulations. Thank you. Thank you. We're checking out. He should have been parked. Uh, us, Cole Custer and Justin Haley are a bunch of ass

apparently. Yeah. I love Twitter. That's hilarious. I mean, how did them guys end up on the most hated list? Cole Custer ain't said three words to me in my entire life and I've talked to him a lot. I know. And he's actually really, he's really a friendly guy when he talked to him. He's so nice. I know. Like, what's wrong with Cole, man? I've never. Justin. Justin, not going to get. I mean, he's an idiot. And not to mention the time Cole did flip the switch, he charged across the front stretch at Mossport. That was what a guy. How do you not like that?

John the Davis was. I remember Jonathan Davis was getting towed around that, Rick. Oh, yeah. So funny. All right. Moving on to this weekend in Charlotte, the current bottom four playoff drivers, Sindrick, Byron, Bell, and Bowman will stay below the cutoff and be eliminated after the roval. TJ, spot on spot off. I mean, I don't know how you can spot off.

It's just how it's played out here. I got to give credit to Blaney, though, for racing his tail off yesterday. And he went from pretty much almost not making the playoffs to sitting P2 right now. So do you think that this is- Who shouldn't be in the playoffs? Ryan Blaney.

TJ, do you think that these four drivers will be the ones that will be eliminated? No. I don't think Cindric. I think Cindrick can put together a better road course race. Boy, it's going to be hard to make a better road course race than who. Than Briscoe. Than Briscoe.

I think he can, I don't know Briscoe's one there, but I just think, man, it's going to be, going to be a nice two tight. It's going to be good. I just don't, I don't know if I see, William has an outside chance with some one of these guys Suarez or somebody having some issues 33's too much to make up. I got a question for you. I hate

stopping road races and plate races for stage points. I hate it. It's going to flip the field. I wish we could pay the points and keep racing. I still want the stages to be in existence but don't throw a caution. Let me ask you this. Without stages, let's imagine we're back in old school NASCAR. Out stages, does William Byron have a good chance of making this playoff? Continuing it. No.

No, yeah. I don't think he's making up the many. How about with stages? With stages, he can do the opposite and he can make up some. Listen, in my opinion, William Byron is going to jump both of them, guys. He's better. The Hendrick cars have been better. I think William Byron gets enough stage points, gets a better finish,

and jumps both Cindrick and Chase Briscoe this week. Shout out to track house racing. Ross Chastain. Hey, this is a, it's a new team, but they bought an existing company, a lot different than, say, a colleague racing who literally started up with no cup employees. These guys bought a building that was there. They bought employees that were there. They bought engineering. They bought leadership.

But shout out to those guys. You got a guy, Ross Chastain, Daniel Hemrick, Daniel Swares, excuse me, that are sitting there in really good spots. and guess what they are. They've been pretty dang good at road courses this year. So shout out to them. I look at this thing, the bottom four, Austin-Sendrick, William Byron, Christopher Bell, Alex Bowman.

I don't know if Alex comes back this week. If he does, I don't see him winning. I think he's out. Christopher Bell, he's been really good at road courses. He's in a must-win, so he's not going to go for points. He's going to go for track position, and he's going to flip stages, and he's going to do everything he can.

He's in a must-win situation. William and Austin are not. I will say, and I love a lot of the guys on this 14 team, obviously, worked there for several years. I don't know why, but Chase Briscoe's not fast anywhere right now. And I don't know why, because he came out to start the season. And I'm right, man. Listen, they stole, they literally, Kansas. Stole 20 points last week.

Kansas, Texas. They stole 20 points. He was a 25th place car and somehow finished fifth. I mean, you give him, you take 10 points away from him. He's out right now, obviously. Yes. You know, they, whatever that call was, they made, who's his chief? Johnny, Johnny Crossmeier. Like, they literally probably stole 20 points in Kansas. They got lucky in Texas, too,

because they were struggling at the end there. They're about to lose tires. They don't have speed, but Stewart Highs Racing is all hands on deck right here as a company. I mean, you got 350 people that work there. They've only got one car left with a chance of making the next round. And it's probably not the one we would have picked. No, 100% not, man. So, hey, look, this is going to be another fun one. When you look at the Roval, a lot of things can happen. Very, very fast racetrack in certain areas, very technical and others. I've come to enjoy it. Do I wish we were running the Oval this weekend?

Yes. That was a good race. I mean, the freaking Oval was awesome. Do I wish we were running it instead of this for a cutoff race? Yes, we want more short tracks. We got more road courses, and here we are. Last year we hated Charlotte. I think William Byron qualifies top seven.

I think he finishes both stages with a lot of points. and I think Austin Cendrick's out I think I think he's I know he's a road racer Also Cedger's already out Well I mean he's tied You gotta go brisk goes out

Byron's in If Byron jumps it's gonna be brisked I think Byron jumps I think he jumps both of them I just said I don't I don't see Yeah Freddy

Yeah like I said I think Byron's gonna jump both of them You know I think You see this race run differently. You see AJ, one of the biggest things AJ was harping on the Xfinity side was he wants to win the roval, right? He wants that's, he's a road racer. He's, that those where he kind of hangs his hat. He takes pride and kicking everybody's ass on a roval. Well, if he didn't win Talladega, he's got to play the point game. And if you play the point game, you, you lessen your chances

of winning the race. Now on Saturday, he can go out there and, and win the race. He can short pitch stages. He can get track position. He doesn't have to worry about points anymore. That's what these guys are going to have to do now. You're going to have different, differing strategies of guys that have to chase the points and they're going to sacrifice their overall finishing the race because they're chasing stage points. But to Brett's point, the Hendrik cars have been fast,

all these road courses. Williams are a good road course racer. I think they just have more speed than the two in the 14. And I think William, like, and it doesn't take much. I mean, if William wins a stage and they finish fifth, by the end of the second stage, Williams in or one point out and now you're racing straight up so I mean it's not a lot I think I think William jumps both of them and gets in there's a lot of things to TJ that can come into play here

um the Stuart hoskars the teammates the 41 the 10 Kevin harvick uh if they're racing an austin sydrick or william byron how hard do they race them uh probably pretty hard pretty hard like there's a lot of things if you're a intelligent an intelligent race fan like I know all our listeners are. No Darfs listen to us. None. If you are Darf and listen to us, we fix you. You're no longer a Darfur.

But, like, watch that within the race. Like, if you see, you know, William Byron running two-tintz-a-lap quicker than Kevin Harvick and he catch him, Kevin's not going to let that guy go. He's going to race the dog food out of him. Dog food. There'll be a lot of many races going on. You know, just looking at this list, that's something I didn't think about. When the last time the round of eight, obviously Christopher Bell is at risk right here.

probably not going to make unless he wins. Gibbs is only going to have one car in the round of eight. Like when was the last time? Because you figured Kyle's always been in the round of eight. Martin. Martin. Like they've always had three or at least two or three guys in. And they're looking at Denny's their only shot now.

Yeah. Again, shout out the trackhouse, man. You're in some elite company in terms of organizations and drivers. Yep. And before we had into Reaction Theater, breaking news while we record the show, Jordan with the athleticers reporting that AJ, Almondinger will be going to colleague with the Cup series full-time,

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Okay so TJ look at the 8 all the time I'll only tell you this Hey Freddy just letting you know We got the beige GMC Out in the parking lot In case you want to have Bubba come out And hit us like you said everything out

On the track so Hey now Jason got a message for you Get out of Dylan's ass Reaction Theater Starts now How in the does NASCAR throw the caution flag 200 feet

before the truck series race ends? They're not lifting. They're 200 feet away from the line. Just let them race it to the line and see what it happens. Fucking stupid. Cool, Maddie D won. But I mean, did he really? Told you we had smart fans.

Listen to that. Congrats, Maddie D. Finally win a race. Did he didn't win? They didn't win. They should have been penalized. I really laughed at somebody. he said that's the first lap man he did he lead in his career and everybody's like well he didn't

lead a lap like he led to the restart zone first race of tall dig for the weekend and we've got a what an idiot award let's just run out on the front tracks of town day and grab that tire real quick mccoy what a moron i'm putting tj on a spot tj did it i want to know if somebody told him to go get the tire i'm not saying who but did somebody say go get that tire no he just reacted he was that was the tire that was supposed to be going on the truck and he was going to get it Damn. That was one going on the truck?

He was running out. He was running around the truck and wiped out and it fell. That was the one that was going on the truck. Okay, so. Once again, a learning opportunity, fair? Yeah, I'd say. Okay. Should NASCAR hold a class at the beginning of the year?

They make us do all these other classes that we won't get into. But should they hold a class for all pit crew people to watch, do's and don'ts? And if you do this, we're pulling your hard card. You're suspended from. Activity. Escorted off the property. Escorted off property. I'm not going out there. I don't care if I'm dropping out of it. You're not a six foot five badass either.

It don't matter. You're five foot six bad ass. Yeah, that's true. Five seven. There's a hundred and ninety-mile-hour trucks. I must be taller than five-eight if you're five-seven. I'm five-nine then. Okay. Whatever you think. There's still trucks going around the track at race speed and they're coming

some could be coming to a pair road and wipe out. I'm not running out there. But shouldn't the shit. Shouldn't they tell you don't run out there? I mean, you should know that. How do you not know that? Okay, why is the lady stand? Why is the NASCAR official standing in front of Tyler Reddick's car and get run over? Shouldn't somebody tell her don't stand there?

You shouldn't stand directly in front of the guy. But what if they told her that's where she's supposed to stand? I don't know. Maybe they told her you stand in front of the car and tell them to stop. Okay? Maybe they should tell her to get the fuck out of the way so you don't get run over in case car don't have brakes. Or in case the throttle hangs or in case the driver falls asleep. We got a lady standing in front of a car that gets.

gets creamed. She could have crushed both of her legs. Y'all can't argue with me because I'm right. You do the caution for the 16 car? Really? He was in a pit box. People are actually defending this. Oh, it's dangerous.

He's in a pit box. Okay, well, then throw the yellow every time someone makes a green flag pit stop then. It's literally the same thing. No, it's not. It's actually not. The green flag pit stop is more dangerous. How do you have Talladega and not have a wall on the outside of pit wall, pit road? Like we talked about it's a couple weeks ago.

They don't know. How? How? Of all the places where we put under green. Wow. We're going to have a couple of cautions. That's to come to an end at some point. That'd be a really dangerous spot.

Then you simply have a curve in a wall like you do all the other walls to start. How about a f***? How about a f***? Yeah, just jumps. I'm down for it. What I'm not down for is throwing cautions for cars in pit stalls. Like, I don't get it. If it was two to go, would they have thrown a caution.

Yeah, why not? Congratulations to Chase Elliott Moving on to the round of eight here Boy, I gotta tell you that is the worst Tal Digger race I've ever seen by a lot I've been watching the Talldega race for over 30 years I mean there was no three wide at all There was no comers and goers

Everybody just stay two by two Once you lose track position you're just done Ridiculous TJ thought it was great because he was in track position I didn't say it was great I just said it was a hard it was hard race to To manage It was impossible to manage

Because you couldn't do any managing Unless you were in the top four You just had to play the track position thing right And hope and work your strategy I mean sorry guy But we went from the back to the front From strategy And not really all the way to the front

But we came out 12th and got to the front from there So I think you need to think about your calling On that note To leave an audio message 247 Just head to anchor.fm slash door bumper clear and click the message icons.

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From Biddy 9595, I see spotters writing on tape on the railing. What is being written and what kind of hand signals do you all use with each other? Yeah. That's the one I use of Brett most of the time. The tape. Some people. Brett uses a lot of tape. I don't even, I don't even, I don't know what tape is.

It's sticking on care of tape. I don't have a Sharpie. I see some of these guys literally right for 20 minutes. Like every, they'll take it right. Every single car number that's on pit road. Yeah. Like, I'm sorry. I got a phone.

When a caution comes out, you pull your phone out. There's a printout. You look at your digital message. that came from your crew chief. Like some spotters in our sport try to make it, I don't know. How do you describe what I'm about to say? That's all I need right there.

So why the fuck am I going to get out? I don't even, I keep that in my pocket if I print it. I don't want to put it out. Like when I look at, this is a map. Like my friend Tab, who I think is a funny dude, good dude,

like he's got customized tape. Not only does he have tape. He's got customized tape. Now, I will say my friend T.J., he used to have Buffalo Bills Tate. But in today's world, this is literally like having a stone and trying to carve a freaking arcadic message into stone. Like it's 2002. Why are you writing all this down?

I look, I say next to Herm a lot. He's got like hieroglyphics on his stuff. Like he's got marks and I'm like, Herm, what is that? It's codes for. I was like, all right, got it. Ain't nobody listening to them. They don't need codes. What about hand signals?

Brett don't do that hand signal again. This one? That's my hands signal of Brett half the race usually. Hand signals, the majority of hand signals used to be qualifying or practice was most of them was. I'm on a cue run. It was a cue.

We held a big cue up. Q run. Cued. Or tires. I'm on tires. Get the hell out of my way. The only handsign we really use during the race is we're pinning. We wave at each other.

Sometimes. Talladega, a lot of guys don't, like to wave and we just run each other over and he'd wreck coming to pit road. But yeah, it's really just waving. Or I was flipping T.J. off and where was that? Kansas. Yeah, I was flipping him off. He wasn't looking.

I think some of the, during the race, a few of the drivers complained that they couldn't see the hand signals from the driver. So is that when you guys kind of stepped in and helped with communicate? Well, it's normally you know who you're pitting with and you just tell your driver, hey, you know, you're cleared by, you know, we were over the one, we had to come down for the speeding pan. I'm like,

You're clear by one over the one. I went down and told the one we're pitting. Yeah. You know the guys that you're pitting with. You find each other. Like if we're running nose tail on the track and, you know, we're getting close. When I'm pitting it, I'm there telling Freddie that I'm pitting this lap. And he said, then he tells Bubba, hey, he's pitting in front of you this lap.

Yeah. You know, so you know what's going on. The tape is used to signify where somebody stands. Basically, basically what I, yeah, tape for one is I use tape. And it's just, for me, a lot of stuff that I, just the way I've learned in my entire life. Like if I write something down, I absorb it better for whatever reason. Like so I write a lot of notes to myself or if I'm doing anything, I write it down.

And when I write it down, I comprehend the information better. So like I tape, I use, I write my pit map out, which is just two or three spots on either side of our pit stall, our 10 away mark and what the stages are. A lot of times Brett goes, can you write your stages over here so that I can look at it? So he's lying about the fact that he's 10 away yesterday. was a 42 car. I didn't have to write it down. I looked down there and saw it. I didn't. Everybody does it. It's not like I ever, I don't ever, rarely do I go back and look at my tape for the

information. I just like, for whatever reason, that's how I, when I write down 10 away, yesterday was a 38 box for me. My favorite guy to stand beside is Drew Herring because he has. Drew Harrow is a complete office. Listen to me. He brings a legitimate, he's NASA. He works for NASA during the race. He's not just a spotter. This guy has got more electronics up there than freaking best buy. And so you just look up. over there.

One of his 12 computers that he's managed to bring in his backpack and then his rolling bag. He's got a second kiss for all that stuff. And in his pocketbook. He has got more shit up there than any human being. His spotter bag is bigger than his table.

It is. It's bigger than this table. I don't know how it gets on the airplane. To me, I just don't have time or use for all that stuff. There's things that you can use at certain times. He's got battery packs. He's got cords.

He's got, I mean, it's unbelievable. If you ever need anything, go to Drew Erring. Yeah. All right, this next one is from Truckee for Light. who would you guys pick to lead the NASCAR organization if there were a leadership change like Denny suggested. Denny suggested a leadership change. Yes, he did.

And he did reiterate after the race that he was not referring to Steve Phelps. So that means he was talking about Steve Phelps probably. No, he said Steve is a great leader in the organization. So he is referring to somebody else. What do you guys think? Listen. An accomplished racer.

I think that's very, It's a very easy question. Very easy answer. It's the guy that moves the needle every time he says something. It's our boss that I, well, aren't. Not anymore. I got fired this morning. I said years ago, Dale Jr. is your guy.

But Del Jr. you didn't have time for that. No. And it doesn't, don't get mad when I say this. It don't pay enough. No. It don't pay enough. Dale Jr.

No. Look, but in my opinion, Casey, to your point, look at the CEOs's, what does Roger Goodell make? a lot. Yeah. What do you think Steve Fels makes? You think he makes as much as Roger Goodell? Not a chance.

You think he makes 40% as much as Roger Goodell? No. I know. So let me tell you something. Come off your pocketbook and go get a guy like a Jeff Burton or like a Mark Martin. Again, give me a super accomplished Hall of Fame driver in the booth or even Ray Everingham. Give me Ray Everingham right now. I take Ray Evertonham as president of NASCAR. Would you? Yeah. I mean, we talk about this on a smaller scale. Roger Dio makes 63 million a year. I don't think Phelps is making that. I don't think Phelps is making 20.

My gosh. But man up and offer Jeff Burton more than he makes doing TV, offer Ray Abraham more than he makes doing whatever he's doing, and get a guy like that. I, somebody had asked, so I don't even know if he's announced this yet, but I'm going to put it out there. Jesse Little quit racing and he's going to become a race director. You know, he's become the training to become a race director. And somebody asked me in my opinion of it. And I was like, I think it's great because he is a race car driver. He's, and not, I mean, he doesn't have to be, in my opinion, doesn't have to be the most accomplished race car driver to be a great race director. Just the fact that he has been in a truck or a car and knows how the radios work.

because a lot of times we get yelled at from race control and they're like, tell your driver this. And you're like, I can't because he's talking right now. Like, and they're like, tell him. And I'm like, I will.

As soon as he shuts up, I will be happy to tell him, but I can't right now. So like, just to have somebody that has racing experience, it's been in these cars, been in these situations, knows how the radio transmissions work.

No, like it's just. I mean, Ben Kennedy, I feel like has been a great advocate for the sport as with his leadership role. So, I mean, I think Jesse is,

What changes has he made that you're speaking to that you said is so great? I'm asking the question. I'm not saying he's not great. I'm just what is he done that you love so much? Well, just, you know, changes new tracks and just overall, like being a voice for the sport. I feel like at least when he was in the beginning when he first started, I noticed a change. And I still do. And I don't think that it's as publicized.

But I do think he plays a very large role. I would love to see a highly accomplished racer way up in their brass. And Ben Kennedy was a racer. Was he highly accomplished? No. No, unfortunately. I won one race. He also is a legacy guy.

I mean, he's a fourth generation France. Yeah. So, of course, he's going to be high up. I wish I'd have been named France. No kidding. Brett France. I'd tell you where I wouldn't be. I wouldn't be a race control of my last name was France.

I'd be on a yacht. you'd be with the other friends Nah Who is our offer pack question of the week Which have one you like Casey All right let's give it to Truckee for life Congrats the Truckee for life You went nothing

Having this week's offer pack question of the week You're the way of a great big ball of nothing Time for us to get to our favorite Expinity Ex-Spy more than fast moments from this week. Dang, I don't have no notes on this. Whether you're behind the wheel or online, speed isn't the only thing you need. What were your favorite more than fast moments this week, TJ?

Man, I was really impressed with the move that Chase was able to make coming to the line and the pass out of four. I think that's a, I think that warrants in Xfinity X-5 more than fast moment. I didn't see the move. I assume he got off of two. He must have got clear in front of Jones. He did and he came down. and then kind of moved up.

Blaney, another half straightaway, he's going to lose. But, I mean, well-timed, well-done. My X-Faddy X-5 more the fast moment goes to how fast they threw the caution in the truck race coming to the checker flag because that was fast. I'm going to go the route of T.J. Because I don't think this guy is going to get enough credit for what he accomplished this week. my X-Finity X-5 more than a fast moment goes to my X-Finity driver

Landon Cassel who won the race for A.J. Ammendinger. And to credit to AJ's, AJ gave him all the credit in the world and he basically said, I wish that we could both just park both of our cars in Victory Lane because he knew that without Landon

he was never going to win that race. So credit to Landon, like I said earlier, credit to Parker Cleggerman for staying with Landon and working with us really well. And it's tough for us because obviously our job is to win the race. obviously in that point you're looking for you're looking for avenues to get your guy out and we were just boxed in and kind of covered we didn't really have much choice but to help AJ but it was great to be able to push teammate collard racing obviously the history there at the plate races is great so it's awesome to us push AJ to that win here on door bumper clear being more than fast is a way of life thankfully there's plenty of weekly action for our Xfinity X5 more than fast moments you know what else is more than fast X5 with the speed for all your devices you also get the

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It is time for what an idiot. I think we may all have the same idiot. I doubt it. Please share. You go first. Hey, TJ got a different idiot. you go first. Maybe. I mean, I got one. Is it from the truck race? I got three of them. T.J. Go first. Two of them's from the truck race. You go first. I'm going to go to the 42 truck

again. We're all going to vote on that. All right. That's what I'm saying. First unanimous one. Yeah. What? I didn't think you would go that. That right. That's all. I'm blasting this idiot. Just Richmond, Talladegh. You just, you're raging. Here's why I'm, here's, I'm not calling him an idiot for spinning out. I don't give a shit by that. Everybody, does this. Everybody spins itself out. Could you not pick a worse place? He drove to the front right in front of the officials.

Like, let's get a, like go around. If you, Taladaiga, Taladaida is an easy place to spin out. Like, you could, you can make, I'm on the apron, half on the apron, I spin out. Oh. Why are you calling an idiot? I don't know that we got that. We let you get that far. Ah, just for self-spending and bringing out a caution.

Again. Again, yeah. So the problem is this is not the first thing. time for him. No. So he wrecked the dog food out of somebody at where Indianapolis raceway? No, I was out Richmond. Oh, no, he right hooked Colby Howard at, uh, in the IRP. He right hooked him. Just completely flat out wrecked him. Um, and at Richmond. And it was under, it was under green. So we're mad at William Byron for Rex Meyer yellow. He killed this guy under green. You brought out the caution on purpose at what, Vegas. Yeah. And now you brought it out again.

This is not the Carson Hosevar truck series. He wrecked the lap car. Remember, he was He was getting ready to lose a lap. He wrecked another lap car and got the lucky to offer. This is not. They laid around. You talk about parking a guy. You want to park Ty Gibbs, which I'm not saying I disagree with it. This guy should be part for the rest of the year.

This is not the Carson Host of our truck series. And he needs to be sent that message loud and clear. He is ruining the fucking truck series by himself. Park his ass. I'm telling you. Parking. This is ridiculous. What they're allowing this kid to go out and do every week is freaking

in Bowman Gray. Yeah. And you, and listen, they penalized him a lap. Well, guess what? He was going to lose more

in a lap if he rode around with his flat or whatever he had. You know, you didn't even, there's really not a penalty there.

Why wouldn't you stop? I'm going to lose three laps if I crawl around here and go back to pit road or I lose one by stopping in the yellow out. And in both races yesterday and both races this weekend

where this happened, I felt like the truck series was going to play out better without a caution. I felt like the Cup series race was going to finish a lot better without that caution for him. You completely changed.

the end of the truck series race at Talladega in a playoff scenario because you're an I have a question for you what if he's being told I'm not saying he was but what if you know what happens then but who's he being told by I'm just saying I'm a team member it's a team member so park them that's what I'm saying though come to a racetrack so what if the spotters telling him sit there hey they're done they're like park you're if by parking the truck you're penalizing the entire team park everybody park don't let them show up then the spotter wish he to shut on I'm not saying to happen but I'm saying like let's blame Tyler green let's can we blame Tyler how many times is this guy going to

ruin an entire race or change the outcome of an entire race or wreck somebody on purpose it's just he does it for his own good and he messes the race up park his ass I'm gonna say it again park his ass this is this is this out of control it's ridiculous it's on one of 10 a one out of 10 tj 10 being out of control how out of control is this guy I mean I forgot about all the instances you brought up and now that I remember them. I mean, it's out of control. I mean, one to ten. I mean, it's up there.

It's probably seven to eight to me. Park him. I, obviously the picker guy running out is also not ideal. Yeah. But how about this Bassmasters deal? Oh, my God. Those dudes, how much did they win?

I saw something like, they won this tournament last year. They won a boat. They won a boat. The guy just went a boat. little heavy. Like, you know, he just put a little too many weights in there. It was hundreds of thousands of dollars. Oh, yeah. These two guys together have won. The video I saw was hysterical where they're just, I mean, this guy's just standing there watching him and cut his fish open and they're just

pulling lead weights and pliers and fillets of old fish out of them. And the guy, they're just standing there screaming at him. Like, oh, they're heckling. Oh, my God. But what idiot. Dude. Like, I mean, I really, I probably shouldn't call him an idiot because he probably made hundreds of thousands of dollars doing this until he got caught. So congratulations you, but now you're an idiot. He's going to be, he's probably been doing this for like he can't fish anymore.

Like they're going to pull his fishing licenses. Like it's, he'll never be able to do that again for a, for a profession. No. But that's cheating sucks like that level. Like, I mean,

I know, I know people look for, that's like, that's bad. I mean, it wasn't like a marble. I mean, did you see the weights?

Oh yeah. I saw weight. Those things were like fish and the pliers and the, I mean, yeah. And he just stood there. So what should they do to him? Should they kick him out of fishing?

I mean, I think it should be criminal. Like, I mean, it's theft. You were stealing money for years. They should cut off a third of his worm for doing that. Jesus. Well, if he was... That's a bad idea. If he was caught home, that'd be fine.

He's obviously using a big worm to catch these big fish. All right. Let's move on. That's a bad idea. Let's move on the DBC picks. TJ, congratulations. You won at Talladego with Brian Blaney. Brett leads with eight wins. Jason and Freddie are tied for a second with seven. T.J. and third to six and I'm last. Maybe he fishes with crickets. Maybe we should cut off his cricket.

Oh, let's make picks for the Charlotte Roval. Freddie. I hate to do this because the guy just won. Who's your worm this week? Rarely somebody goes back to back, but I'm taking Chase Elliott. You had to. He didn't have a choice. after chatting with the person I'm going to pick he would like need to pick himself because he's also helping Tyler said to pick himself is going Yes I'm picking Tyler Reddick Tyler please get your checkbook credit card ready

Maybe increase your credit that's who I was wanting to pick Because I knew Chase wouldn't be on the board who goes next Ryan Blaney Brett who you got Uh Ross Chessing EJ I'm going to

go with the guy that has that's basically in a win we go with william bairn we just said he could point his way in he could but i'm going almost with bell for that reason bell just seems to wreck a lot does bell wreck a lot or how'd i make that up he wrecks a lot i mean he spins a lot it seems like he spins a lot but i mean he well that's wrecking yeah i mean he does not if you don't hit anything no i still a wreck if i spin out down here on i 77 that's a spin that's not a And I don't hear anything. I'm not in a wreck. No.

Did they throw the caution? Depends. How many laps are left? Where's Hussonwar at? Let's ask Hustonar when we throw the caution. Good Lord. I'm telling you right now, I would, oh my God. If I ran NASCAR, I would absolutely break this kid down this week.

This would be the defining moment when you realize this is my sport, my series, not yours. He literally sat there and they tried to give, they gave him, I will give NASCAR credit for, they weighed it out. Like for hat, like, it was like, uh, they're not even going to throw it. We're going to race by a next lap and maybe. Yeah. Before we jump, Roval Week, a lot of people come to Charlotte for this race. A lot of fun things to do.

A lot of fan days around. Millbridge Wednesday night. Milbridge Wednesday. Couch racer is, we'll be at Colleg Racing on Wednesday as part of their fan day. Um, a lot of shops to see while you're here. JR.M's obviously a popular spot. A lot of cup shops. NASCAR Hall of Fame.

GoPro Motorplex. Victory Lane carting in Charlotte. If you love to drive go carts, those are two of the best places you'll ever go in your life. GoPro's a lot of fun. And you'll see a lot of drivers out there too. GoPro runs 60 miles an hour, outdoor facility. Victory Lane carting, 30 miles an hour, indoor facility. You feel like you're running 85 on those things.

A lot of great things to do. A lot of great food in Charlotte. Jimmy Johnson's got freaking bars downtown. We're very fortunate to live where we live. Big owls. How's going to say? You're going to say Big Al's or what? DBC party at Big Al's.

Mike Davis told me that Big Alas is going to have to give us sponsorship money if we keep talking about them. But no, man, we're lucky. You got Lake Norman, obviously, right here in our backyard. It's going to be a beautiful weekend. And just come enjoy Charlotte. Come enjoy the teams.

Come enjoy the drivers that are getting out there, giving their time. There's a big event Friday night, Saturday night at the racetrack. We may end up stopping by there. Me, T.J. Freddie, Casey. Dougger's playing. Dugger's playing. Three Doors Downs playing.

Just a lot of fun. stuff to do in this great city and great area we live in. If you stop by JARM, there's DBC shirts for sale now, so you can pick one those up or you can order his online too. Yeah. Sweet. Come to call, come see us Wednesday? Wednesday.

Wednesday. They got Big Al's every night this week. They got a driver announcement, I think, on Wednesday. That would be cool. I can guarantee you that we will be at Big Al's Sunday night after the road. Guaranteed.

And Justin Haley is not going to be a tight ass. Let me tell what this little guy did. Last night? Yeah. I was too drunk. I don't know what happened. This little guy. He comes to Big Alas and he makes a lot of money.

Do you know he didn't even pick up my check? He didn't pay you. I got my tab and it was $350. I think he might have even walked out and I didn't even picked up his check at this point. I think you might have paid my check. I did pay your check. No, actually me and you split it. Shit.

Me and you. Me and you split the check and dug through $100 to Jess for being a great server. Yeah, he didn't even pick up my check. Doug server wasn't there? I saved his life for 30 weeks so far this year. I mean, legitimately. I've saved this life. Labored and saved his life.

And he didn't even. I hope every fan that's listening. And I know there's a million of y'all out there. When you see Justin Haley a fan day, you give him shit about not. not picking up my check. The biggest thing I took away from last night was I just wish Justin's brother would shut the hell up. He don't talk.

Justin says he's chatty. He didn't, I think he said three words to us last night. Can we tell the story of why he is, you don't remember a story, dude? I don't remember the story. Oh,

oh, no, I do remember. He sitting there drinking Diet Coke. I do remember. He sent her drinking Diet Coke. And I'm like, they have Diet Coke at Big Alice.

I'm like, you'll let you drink, man. He's like, no, I don't drink. I was like, oh, okay. So every person that's quit drinking has a bad story as to why they quit. There was a defining moment in their life.

This guy jumped into a pond that had a bunch of alligators in it. Volusia. And that's when he realized, maybe this ain't for me. What an idiot. Oh, I love it. Justin, you cheap ass. Yeah, what the hell, Justin. Guess what you're doing this week?

You're buying big al. All right, and you might show up. I might show up. Justin's coming to buy. Me too, honestly. All right. Thank you all, as always, for listening. Be sure to watch us on Mab TV this Thursday at 7 p.m. Eastern.

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