Door Bumper Clear - 272 - Charlotte ROVAL: Cardboard Changes Everything

Episode Date: October 10, 2022

The Door Bump Clear crew is back from Charlotte Motor Speedway ROVAL weekend after two playoff cutoff races. Brett Griffin, T.J. Majors and Freddie Kraft talk about the difficulty drivers had passing on Sunday, the drivers safety meeting with NASCAR, the DBC trackside live show on Saturday, and fellow podcast host Conor Daly’s Cup debut. First in Spot On, Spot Off, the guys discuss NASCAR throwing a caution for a sign on the track late in the race. Brett expresses his displeasure for NASCAR allowing signage like that on the track and explains why game seven moments shouldn’t be decided like this.Chase Elliott and AJ Allmendinger lote the lead on the second-to-last restart costing them both the win. The guys applaud both drivers’ aggressive moves but question if Allmendinger should have raced Elliott cleaner because he’s a playoff driver. Next, Cole Custer threw a block down the backstretch allowing teammate Chase Briscoe to gain positions on the final lap. They explain why Briscoe was going to make an aggressive move either way and react to NASCAR investigating if Custer’s block was intentionally helping him. William Byron’s penalty for spinning Denny Hamlin out under caution during the Texas race was reversed. The spotters explain how the appeal process works and why the hearing should have taken place sooner. Plus, hear how it ultimately impacted the Round of 12 playoff elimiations.NASCAR president, Steve Phelps, said penalizing Kevin Harvick was not punitive after his outspoken comments about the Next Gen car. The guys explain why NASCAR needs to be more transparent about their random inspection picking process. Plus, they share insight about what changes could be made for next year to the back of the car and how industry members need to be more appreciated by the sanctioning body. Finally, NASCAR responds to teams asking for a fairer profit split by proposing a small increase in revenue but also dramatic cost-cutting measures. Brett explains how large the TV contract affects the sport’s revenue and discusses the decrease in drivers’ base salaries over the past 10 years. In Reaction Theatre, fans call in about the Xfinity Series driver aggression, Kyle Larson getting eliminated from the playoffs and the caution caused by the sign. The guys make their Championship 4 predictions later in the show. Plus, a special Cup Series driver guest calls in and tells us which fan base is his favorite and who he thinks makes it to Phoenix.Thank you to our presenting sponsor Offerpad and partners Xfinity and RacingUSA.com for making this show possible. Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hey, what's up everybody? I'm Brett Griffin. This is Dorp Upper Clear presented by Offerpad. We're back from the Roval at Charlotte with a lot to discuss. We'll talk the late caution for a sign. Cole Custer helping his teammate out, playoff eliminations after Byron's points penalty is reversed and more. Here we go. The best in the booth. Stumber the Monday to tell you the truth. Giving the Finnis and breaking the rules. Good call to the holler to bring it to you. Casey, you fat. T.J. You suck. Brettin so bad. Jason is pacing. Kind of play in this race. And if someone don't crash and it's going to go mad.

for Freddy, he's killing the bottle. Casey is making messers like a taut. The tweet something stupid then don't even bother. Brett's going to block you like TJ is his spotter. See them online, though FF in the chat. Tell Rick where to stay off the track. All of the podcasts are living in fear. This isn't the download.

It's door bumper clear. Nah, don't get it twisted, baby. This isn't the download, nah. This is door, bumper. Clear, clear, clear. There you go. I like it. Hey, everybody.

I'm T.J. Majors. Spotted the six cup car And I had the 68 Exfinity car this weekend For 10 laps For 10 laps For 10 lap Chris wrong

Brett Griffin Spiter Colleg racing Great Day yesterday With my boy Justin Haley Proud of him Daniel Hemrick Um Good news for him man He's back at college

What's up Frederick? What's up Freddy Krasbauder Bobb Wallace And Landon Castle this week A couple top tens Like Casey Bubba got a top 10 P7

Oh yeah Right behind you Dude you ran with the damn Rick Ware cars all day. I ran 30-9th half the race and then we just, well, Bubba was saving his stuff. He nailed. I'm in the last restart. He just got through it.

So it's all that took. So. Hey guys. Casey Boat here. Oh, yeah. She's here. Oh, yeah. You're here.

You could take it. Hey, Casey. But Jason, are you cold? You look like you're cold. I saw our friend Tyler Redick after the 1948 yesterday and there was a fan outside that that called him Jason Schultz as he was. walking out and he's like he's the one that just called me jason shult he's like it's happening

a lot now i'm like geez oh man thank freddie for that one so fortunate we have so many listeners for him thank god for us yeah speaking of listeners we did the charlotte motor speedway we open for we thought we would have done that even better tim dougar open for us i just i just i've always wanted to announce that tim dougar open for us and here we are nice him he was so mad he left right after he did he wouldn't even hardly speak to me he was like i got to go back to nashville yeah Sorry guys. I had to leave. But no, man, that was cool. A lot of fans there and a lot of DBC fans there.

Jason was there. Bartender Ben was on point. He brought me a couple cocktails during the Q&A. He got some son. Look at his face. Ben's hat line is worse than mine. But it's not even, like you even have it above where your hatline is. Yeah, because he had a little.

What kind of a f*** up? How were you wearing, Ben? Clearly works well. Poor Ben. You're too focused on getting great Connor Daily. content that you could find on media, social media platforms. Yeah. All the content was great. His race, he survived,

made to the end. Two blowing tires. His car broke. His car broke. How many times? I don't know. A lot of times. I mean, he did well for having his car break. Let's go. Let's go there. I thought he looked washed up. Caught on fire. That's funny. That's a good one.

But yeah, it was fun. A lot of good content. He's a really cool guy. Speed Street. Great podcast. Listen to it this week here. What do he has to think about his Cup debut? That'd be fun. I thought he did a pretty good job. By the end of the race, it took him majority of the race to figure it out. He was in front of you. I mean, he could run with us.

We'll get into this later, but nobody could pass anybody, including Brad couldn't pass Connor Daly, like in front of our pack. We were catching him, and then as soon as the car in front of him pulled away from, he got clean air and it was like, oh, God, this is really are. We're not going to get around him. It's like, seriously, it takes like 10 laps to pass a car. Bubba got, perhaps just 20 minutes. Bubba got frustrated.

Bubba got frustrated at one point. He's like, I just don't know how to pass anybody. I said, oh, good news is nobody else does either because it's terrible. He was behind us too. We were all stacked up there. Yeah, we just couldn't go anywhere. It's not going anywhere. Yeah.

I don't know how we can look at that race and say we should ever do it again with that configuration. Like there's only two real passing zones anyway, right? The infield is too technical for passing zones and fast. And then there's obviously the back chican and the turn four oval chicanne. But they're going so fast there. They can't even pass. At that point, I don't think it's a configuration.

I don't. I think it's just the car. The car, yeah. I think it's how. The last year was better than that. Yeah. I think it's the car because, you know, you watch these other, you watch a V8 supercar race, and those guys are all over each other making passes, but they also have, they're up off the ground,

smaller tire, way more horsepower. I think they should give them 850 horsepower for the roadcourses. I don't agree with you 100%. They should have 800% everywhere. Yeah. What I'm saying, at least. at the road courses and, you know, maybe some other adjustments too. Even short tracks like they've talked about.

Give them guys the horsepower to spin the tires. Right now they're, they all can hammer down so easy. It's hard to get runs because everyone, every car, it's like going to GoPro. It's on it. Seriously like going to GoPro. Yeah.

I mean, that's what it looks like. So I think, I don't see this on the show sheet. I know the drivers had a meeting this weekend. Have you heard anything about feeding? feedback? Well, it was a long meeting. It was over an hour, and it sounds like a few guys were really vocal, and it sounds like NASCAR was willing to listen. You know, I think that the, you know, look, no matter what problem you have, step one is always the same. You're in denial, right? And I think NASCAR was somewhat in denial that these guys were saying their hits were harder. They were going to get hurt, and it took guys actually getting hurt before they said, okay, there's a problem. And an email. sent out last week where they specifically outlined the rear bumper of the car, the rear of the car, and the driver area within the car all needed to be better, right? So obviously there was a crash test last week. Once again, I don't know that they publicly come out and said anything around this.

So Steve Phelps was on Count on the Green and he did say they are making changes to the rear of the car for next year. And he also mentioned that, like you said last week, the teams or the driver meetings was a great plan. They're going to do that, I believe, for the rest of the year. So positive feedback there at least. Yeah, they need to, and they need to listen to these guys. And it's their butts on the lines out there. And you just hope that they can make it better because there are drivers who want a complete redesign of this car. And when I say complete, I don't mean a new rear clip. I mean, they want everything. Everything. And when you look at how bad yesterday's race was, that's why that they don't want us to go out in our product to be that boring and I'm sorry it was boring

um how boring it was awful tj it was pretty boring it's boring and i was fortunate enough to be around a bunch of fans and the more the fans stand up and the more the fans clap and the more fans flip drivers off as they drive by the better the race is and i didn't see a lot of that yesterday so they need to recognize right now before we go into this long winter that we have where we all get one month where we don't travel, they need to realize they better figure something out because if we go to Martinsville and then it's as bad as it was in the spring, because these teams are going to keep getting faster and faster with this car.

And as they all get faster, it gets harder to pass. So they've got to figure this thing out. And DJ, I don't know how they do it, but they better figure it out quick. Yeah, I mean, like I said before, it's too easy to drive, in my opinion. I mean, the cars are, not that it's, not that it's an easy deal, but these guys are really good. And the car doesn't challenge them that much, in my opinion.

It has great acceleration, great grip, it turns good. It doesn't make it that. And he took horse power out of it, which makes it even easier. You know, these guys don't really struggle with it, in my opinion. And I think we saw a lot of that yesterday. How many mistakes did we really see? How many guys blew chicanes, maybe four or five all day? Yeah.

How many cars were there? Did you guy blow the chicane on purpose on the last lap? Or, I mean, what was going on there? Yeah, no. Did you not see how that happened? No, it was by buying me, but we were clear about like five or six car lengths. Just getting ready to go into the corner, waiting for the rack in front of us. And the two comes from five back and puts the dozer on him.

He was in desperation mode. Brattle smart, though, once he knew he was going to blew it, he floored it. Yeah, and then we come around. We didn't lose. Why, was he not going to stop? I mean, I don't think we could have got. stopped in the last. No, he was going. I was screaming with it the whole time.

He ran half the chican. I was like, no, you can't do that. Yeah, he did. So this is down the backstretch. Hold on. We're going to watch a video that this is a visual podcast now. Jays always watch this. Got the data. Boom. Oh.

He sent you. Flore it. Are you going to wreck him next week? I would have waited right there. The dog food out of them. Just get him right now. The dog food had another run in. But no, to your point, man. there weren't a lot of guys missing chicanes. The reality is turn one on restarts is ridiculous. It's not indie ridiculous, but it's ridiculous.

So, yeah, that was, that race desired a lot for it. My biggest issue going back to Casey's point about this meeting is like, I feel like they're kind of admitting they're never going to get this car as safe as the last car. That's a problem. That's an issue. You know what I mean? The rear clip design will never, in this. car will never be as safe as the last car just because essentially like I talked about last week the rear clip in the old car was there to hold the fuel cell in you know the rear you had

chains the hold the rear end up like that the this car has independent rear suspension and the fact that we can literally never get the rear of this car as safe as the last car is an issue so these guys talked about last week we're taking a step backwards in safety they're not wrong know if I agree with they can never get there because I've seen a lot of things I've seen a lot of things change and there's other ways to probably approach it so the thing that the thing that I that took away from this meeting was they're talking about we're gonna we're gonna make the rear bumper cave more or make the rear bumper safer the the bumper is usually not the problem in my opinion it the how many times do we see wrecks back in a day you back the car in the rear clip collapsed

either it would fold down drag on the racetrack it would fold up to the rear window it would collapse. The back of these cars are too stiff. But I think there's ways to improve it. They're trying. I'll give them that. But you heard, I think it was Larson came out of the meeting and said, we've seen the data and the data is better, but it's not as good as it was.

You know, that's the first thing. These guys don't want to take any safety. Like we, since 2001, since 2001, we pride ourselves on we've made this sport safer. It was reactive then. But now, like, you can't. take a step backwards. There should never be a comment that goes, okay, well, we're making a step in the right direction, but it's still not as safe as the last car we had. That's unacceptable to me. I don't know how they can look these drivers in their eyes and feel good about what is on the racetrack right now from a safety perspective. We know, I mean, we flat out said a few weeks ago the drivers are scared. Here's the thing that gets me is we're admitting we have an issue, but we can't do anything about it. So how many times have you seen somebody below the entry that used to be turn one, now it's turn three, and spin out and back their car in a Phoenix or or Martinsville?

If these guys get hurt now in the, if somebody backs in the wall the next three or four weeks, it's potential for injury and you're admitting you have an issue. Like I don't, I don't know. I don't get, man, look, Kurt Bush, how long has he been out? Since Pocono. I mean, that's eight weeks, eight weeks, nine weeks, I mean, I mean, I, I, I, I, that's a really long time to be out with a concussion. It's a really long time to be out with a wreck that he had because we know that wreck was not violent compared to other wrecks that we've seen. You know, Alex Bowman, obviously he's out right now. If I were him, there's no way in hell I'd come run these two mile and a halfs.

If he's going to come back and I don't know that he is or is not, there's no way I would come back for Vegas. There's no way I would come back for Homestead. If I'm going to come back. Yeah, he won Vegas, first Vegas. he was a winner. I thought. But man, talk about why risk 2023 at this point? And think about how many drivers, we know this.

We know this for a fact, whether people want to admit or not, how many drivers have had concussions are not willing to get out of the car? Like, that's why I give Alex a lot of credit and Kurt a lot of credit. Kurt probably had no choice. But like Alex, you know, there's a lot of people that have had these wrecks that are not willing to get out of the car. You know, they're just not going to say it. I think that's always been that way, though. Oh, 100%.

There's a lot. There's a lot behind why. I think that's a cross racing in general. For years. Chad had a horrible concussion and was supposed to make his Indy lights debut. And the only reason why he couldn't is because his symptoms got so bad

that he had to stay in a dark room for a while. Here's what I'm going to get credit to J.R. Houston because he brought this up to me yesterday. Why do we not just say these guys have concussions? Like everything is, Kurt Bush is out because he has concussion-like symptoms. Alex Bowman has concussion-like symptoms. No, they got concussions.

Like, they're concussed. I have concussion-like symptoms this morning when I woke out, but I didn't hit my head. I don't think you didn't have a concussion. You wouldn't know if you did, though. You might have. So as a spotter, knowing how dangerous, especially these next few races are,

does your strategy change a little bit and some of the aggressive moves that you guys make, especially? No, because we're racing. Like, if you're on the race, you're going for it. Competitive takes over. Spotters don't get concussed.

I've never felt one hit that by the two. Some of them hit hard enough that I felt it on the roof. I think there were some hits yesterday on the spotter stand. It sounded like. Yeah, I heard it. There might have been one. Who? I don't know.

Just heard about it. Do we need to get some more drinks? It was down on your end. You should have seen it. I do. I'm just glad you weren't in the middle of it. I might have banned. Because last time I had to intervene when you were in the middle of war.

I need to know. Please tell me. Where were we at that day? Talladega. Talladega. Taledega. Tadaga. Where I saved Tj's ass.

Silly season, I feel like, is almost over in terms of driver announcements. Now it's been kind of, all that hype. Now we're done. Who else? Who's on the list? Collier racing just dropped a lot of bombs on you. They dropped Chandler Smith to the Xfinity car, obviously taking the place of AJ. AJ to cup, which is a big deal.

It fills that 16 seat, which was kind of a hit or miss car. And then obviously you got Daniel Hemrick coming back in the Xfinity series. So I don't feel like in either series, in either top tier series, and I don't follow the trucks that closely, that there's a lot of more driver moves to be made. Spot on to Colleg Racing for doing what they're doing, man. AJ, complete stud yesterday. Obviously, in my mind, the best road racer in NASCAR right now.

Saturday, dominated. Saturday dominated. Yesterday was, yesterday was stupid. stupid fast and just once he didn't have the lead it was it was crazy it means half second slower same as everybody else same as everybody else right um but i feel like probably the last domino to fall here is around kurt bush tyler reddick john hunter neemichick who ends up in that 45 car and i'm assuming it's going to be the 45 car yeah i was so i would assume bubba goes back to the 23 yeah i i would too and and i like bubba in that 23 man that's a cool number and it takes me a second every time other

the 23. I have to think to myself, wait a minute, that is not mama. When I write my tape out, I have to time, I write 23. I'm not the 23. What about the 18 car? Is that, so one of those drivers you think could end up there? Or. Ty Gibbs. I think we said that in June. I think you were probably here that day. I can't believe you're even questioning this. But. Do you have baby brain today? No, but Ty was. Are you pregnant?

I love you. TJ, you were right before the end of the show. It's every week. Why? I mean, I don't need to be right. I just don't understand

if I'm asking a question. Why is he wearing a raincoat? It's cold. Yeah, well, it's cold, man. And what about

Brandon Jones' Exfinity spot? I would say, I don't know this for a fact. I would say Sammy Smith goes full-time Xfinity. I would say, is he old enough?

Yeah, yeah, he's old enough. He's been running. Sammy Smith, by the way, that was a, That was a big deal this week. Sammy Smith won the ARCA.

Did you see that? That owner's champ. I saw that. That was a good tweet. Yeah. Kurt and Kurt, his dad, Kurt, and Billy Venerini had disagreements about who should have won that race. But yeah, Sammy, I would say Sammy Smith goes in one of them cars, whether it's 18, 19, whatever it is. And who else is over there? I don't even, did they lose all their drivers?

Who's there now? I, uh, Corey Heim would be a candidate over there. Um, I mean, I would say anybody that was at KBM becomes a candidate because obviously it's switching from Toyota to Chevrolet. So that, that Toyota, Toyota money, that Toyota money is going to go somewhere. Which is big news because I, I had said it on here about five episodes ago, if you, if you're paying attention that David Gillen was, was going to go to Toyota. And that's also a big news.

TJ, you can talk to this maybe a little bit. I don't know if you can. I know what you're talking about. Haley obviously has to find a Ford truck to drive if she's going to stay in the Ford in the truck series. Do you say truck? Yeah. Like, she ain't driving a truck.

She's going to drive a truck, I think. Exfinity? I mean, I, she's not going to drive a truck in the Xfinity series. I don't think. That's probably.

If she's driving for the Xfinity series, ass. I'm just saying. I said she's going to drive a truck and you said Xfinity. That's going to be expitty series. Obviously not. She literally is going in the Xfinity series. this weekend. I know. It's her debut and holy hell did she pick a hard place.

Yeah. Why would, Las Vegas is not, are you spotting for her? Uh, that's coming up in the show if you had read your show sheet. Oh, it's in ASDBC. We'll get there. Exactly. We should talk to. I never look at ASDBC. She's. I don't go that far. All right. Before, before I lose my mind on these three, what do you do? Why do you? Let's hear a little bit more about our amazing presenting sponsor. Offer Pat. When you decide that it's time to. your home, we know people that make the process easy and convenient. It's our friends at Offerpad.

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Oh, and by the way, no one ever seems to agree. And then spot off means you disagree. Spot off. Here we fucking go. This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. But if you're T.J. Um, uh, uh, there's only one correct answer. I don't know.

It's time for spot on, spot off. Spot on, spot off. NASCAR throws a caution for a sign on the track with four lapsed. ago that Chase Brisco said was there 20 laps ago. Freddie, spot on, spot off. I believe Chase might be exaggerating a little bit. There was a sign, so I seen a sign fall off that was, that ended up on the curbing off of turn six.

Like it ended up on the rubble strips, no need for a caution. This, this one, when I seen the caution come out, I looked and it was there. Another spotter told me it had been there for two laps. I was going to say about three because I saw it and we were going around it but it Yeah it wasn't 20

you don't think it was 20 You know how long 20 lapses? They probably seemed like 20 laughs as long as you're riding behind somebody but Briscoe should just be quiet because this worked out

I mean I'm sure he said this in the moment but it worked out all well for him like he's in the playoffs he's where thanks to Custer where's Custer as we'd talk about Custer later yeah it's in the list as well but yeah

It was not 20 laps. It was there, though. I mean, and it, it, I saw a sign fall off and it was, we knocked it off the racetrack for a while. Was that the same one that came back on the racetrack? Or, I mean, surely it wasn't a whole sign. It was like a piece of, it was like a. So it must have been different. I'm spot off because it, I don't know, we've, we rode more laps with a tailpiece falling off a car that was going to come off than we didn't.

You can't say that. I'm just, I don't know. It wasn't, it was in the track. I don't think it's going to cut a tire. You had no. I think you had to throw a caution for it. It was in the lane. It was in the middle of a race track.

The Bosh has showed it for a fairly long time. And there were a few cars hitting right at the edge. I don't know what damage. It was right in the middle of the damn track there at the end. Like it was right in the middle. So I just, why four to go? Can we talk about the real problem? No, what's that?

How the hell did a sign end up on a fucking racetrack? Did you know? I see all the signs in the front of the cross. Can we talk about how the hell their signs ending up on the front of race cars? Who in the hell? How is anybody, and I hate to keep blaming these guys, but how is a sanctioning body, do you allow this to keep happening? Change the way you're allowing these road courses to do signs.

It's no different than when we showed up at Indy and we had a ramp on the backstretch and they realized, hey, we have a configuration problem. We have to fix this and they fixed it. now we have a sign problem. You should not have guys that have billboards across the front of their nose. You should not have signs laying in the middle of your racetrack. It is your job to keep the racing surface clean.

Stop letting. That's what they did. They cleaned it up. Well, you can't let it happen to start with. I think they should put more signs out there. We're literally at a cutoff race with two laps to go, it felt like. Maybe it was three. It was five.

Five. By the time you went by green, there were two. Three. So we go, we literally stopped the race with five. laps to go at a cutoff race for a sign. Yeah, we were close enough to the end, though. That's why that was my problem is we were close enough to the end that I almost think you let it go. I realize you're saying you let it go, but you can't let it go. I know. There's a sign land on the racetrack. What happens if the sign flips up and gets on second place's grill? And then he's got a pit or he can't see. But the problem is,

the problem is this, why in the world are we in this big game seven moment and we let a sign? Yeah, I know you're saying. A piece of. billboard it shouldn't be a factor i mean there was there was there was and hell no it should be a factor there was two when that sign when that sign was on the racetrack there was two different guys advancing that ended up advancing you know what i mean like that that's how big that is i mean when that sign fell off on the racetrack i think larsen was in and i think uh cindrick was in and chase elliot was winning and there were a bunch of other scenarios and everybody was happy and now you got end up with bell in and you end up with briscoe in and

And it's just, you can't have that. A billboard that should have never been there changed the entire playoff. 100%? The entire playoff. It's not, that is where people need to be upset. They don't need to be upset that the caution was thrown for this thing. They need to be upset that it was out there to begin with.

And not only was it out there then, it was out there a bunch all weekend. Oh yeah. I mean, what's his name? Well, who Sargento cheese was that, Pallickey? I feel like he made a campaign about it after Rhode America. They're driving around with the Sarjito cheese box on his front of his car. I mean, Nilsson ratings for some of these sponsors should be amazing. I'm funny to me.

It's serious and it needs to be fixed. I'm serious. I'm mad about it. Are you sure? Yeah, I'm sure. He's mad. Are you mad like bringing the caution out intentionally mad? I'm mad about this and I was about Carson Host fire racing like an idiot.

All right. Moving on. What a point. Chase Elliott and AJ Omendinger's moves on the second to last restart that ultimately cost them both the victory. Brett. Obviously hard racing. You know, these guys stayed out on older tires. AJ is clearly, you know, clawing trying to get everything he can to get himself and his team a win there. Elliot's strategy was spot on. Clearly had a huge lead before we brought the caution out for

the billboard land out there. But, you know, once that caution comes out, and once you've got Those two zones on a restart. Obviously, turn one is one of them. And then the chicane on the backstretched is the other one. Like all hell breaks loose in those places. Oh, I know. What did, I'm assuming Chase did two tires or something? Chase didn't have tires.

At all? No, he stayed out. Just fuel only? I mean, he, oh, and he pitted under green? Yeah. Oh, I don't know what he did there. I mean, he jumped like five seconds. He had to do something.

He was way out from. But he was one of the first ones to pit. And we were not in our window yet as a team. we had to run a little bit longer and it cost us a spot as well. I think he took tires. You would have taken tires because you had to fill your tank at that point. So he just pitted that early? So I did notice we pitted a couple laps later than others that were behind us and they jumped us.

So there was a little bit of speed with tires. But it wasn't because just so you know the tires weren't wearing. They were just getting hot. Yeah. And that's where you're making your ground up. Yeah. When the red flag came out, I actually was like, man, thank goodness. Obviously I had none of us wanted to caution that were up front.

but the red flag gave us a chance to do exactly what you said, at least cool our tires down, because we were at a major tire disadvantage. Obviously, Christopher Bell came on new tires and won the race in a must-win situation. But can we talk about how the red flag was all your fault? My fault? Yeah.

What I do? Brett came to me and we're about five to go. He came to me to five to go in the race and said, hey, good news. We can make it to Bode's baseball game as long as the sun stays green. And then 47 minutes later, the checker flag flew. like there was five to go and he's like all right we're going to go to bodey's baseball game and i'm in yeah let's go and then next thing you know was caution caution red flag caution oh yeah i can tell you when

when they threw the caution for that debris i knew there was going to be more oh you cannot disaster coming the same thing that always happens yeah how about the big wreck getting into one that they just they just there was seven cars parked in the cars everywhere piled in to turn one barrier i don't know it had a great run going. I have no idea how he got turned. I do. Oh, who's the same guy that ran you into the bus stop? Oh, no kidding.

This is my surprised face. Cole, are you surprised? Yeah, I'm so shocked. Cole Custer's block down the backstretch that allowed teammate Chase Brisco to gain positions and points on the final lap. TJ, spot on, spot off. I don't, I mean, I think he definitely

lifted early, but I think Briscoe was going to take it. He was going forward to me. If that 41 was there, he was going to hit him. So, I mean, maybe the 41 made it. I don't think you're thinking about it. Like, there's no way. I don't think so either. You're thinking about this down the back straight away.

Chase was going into that chican thinking, I've got to pass these guys. I'm going to do what if I wreck, I wreck, but I've got to clear these guys. But could his father have said, hey, Chase is in a pretty sticky situation. I mean, he could have, I'm sure he didn't. Yeah, I don't, I don't, honestly, I didn't, you're not thinking about that stuff. Really. I mean, you're just, you're not. You're trying to get everything you can.

Brett has altered the outcome of playoffs in his past. But like, you're never going to get everything you can. You're never going to be like, hey, hold the whole field up so Chase can pass you. I don't think. I'm spot on for what Custer did. It's his teammate. I'm spot off for the fact that NASCAR publicly said, we're going to investigate this and it's not going to change the drivers that are in the playoffs.

So why are we looking at it? What are you looking at? Maybe. I think you make the call. You make the call right on. What they said was they're not going to affect the eight that are in the playoff. So maybe we just say it. Maybe we put Larsson back in there.

Oh, God. We can have it. Man, Rick Hendrick can make magic happen. I don't know if you know that. Did you see that last week? Saw it last week. Live. This could be.

No, we're going to investigate it, but we're not going to do anything to the eight play off drivers. Okay. Awesome. Hey, just you know, I'm going to keep an eye. Not going to do anything, but I'm watching you. Freddie, thoughts? I just gave my thoughts. I mean.

What do you want me to say? Would you like me to say it again? Hold on, I'll say it again. So Custer wasn't thinking about this in the minute, right in the moment. Spot on, spot off. William Byron's points penalty is reversed. And as a result, he advances to the next round over Kyle Arson, Austin, Cindrick, Daniel Suarez, and Bowman.

Freddie, spot on, spot off. so one thing that I will say about this that I've seen people go crazy over was NASCAR has nothing to do with the appeals panel I promise you NASCAR wanted to give William Byron a 25 point penalty and the appeals panel who has is not NASCAR it's a random it's a committee Pinellis Penelis is always on there I don't know what he's got going on but it must not be much because he's always in there but yeah so listen it is what it is and they got it overturned. I don't know it was you could tell it must have been a wording issue because the day after

they overturned this penalty NASCAR changed a rulebook to to include different wording in whether you spin somebody whatever however that word was worded but they changed the wording because it's going to cover this now I guess but yeah listen it is what it is and the thing that the thing that really bothers me is this had this should have happened. The Byron appeal should have happened before Talladega. One million percent. Because people race differently at Talladega based on William Byron's point standing. And you don't, if you're thinking now, you come out of Talladega and he's whatever was,

11, 12 points behind. Now he jumps you and he's 14 points ahead of you. Yes. Like that, you call your race is different. You call your race a lot different knowing, not knowing where William Byron's point statute is. So if you're going to do this, you have to have these hearings. week of the penalty. Like you can't put it off a week in the playoffs.

Yeah, that's, I'm spot off for changing it as well. I don't, I don't know what was, maybe there was some wording. I don't know what the difference was, but a guy still went up there and wrecked another guy under yellow and cost him points and you give a penalty. And I thought the penalty was fitting. I mean, you don't mess up the show under yellow like that. I mean, I thought it was fitting. What does, what does another, what, what, what,

they advanced, they made it 25 to 50,000. 50 to 100. What the hell do they care? You're essentially charging them $50,000 to contend for the championship. Like, what does that matter to them? Like, it's $50,000 is a drop in the, but what's it, Brett, you know this, better than anybody. What's a per race sponsor in the Cup Series at Hendrick Motorsports? It'd be north of 300.

So you're talking about $50,000 is a drop in the bucket to, I bet it's... I bet it's $200 more than that. Yeah, I would think it's more than that. It's probably half a man. No, don't get crazy. Here's the financial side of it. When you move up a spot in the points,

it is a massive pay increase. One spot is worth tons of money, right? So for $50,000 increase in penalty, every team in the garage would gladly play... They just made that back and more. They would gladly pay $50,000 for 25 points. even where I'm at, I would pay that because you're going to get it back in the point fund money. You get back in a point fund money.

The problem here goes back to... We paid a hundred to give a hundred points. The problem here goes back to the officiating. You didn't officiate it when it happened. You said after the race... They didn't see it. You said after the race, you didn't see it. Then you reacted to it.

And now it's a complete miss for what happened in the playoffs. It's a complete minute. It's no different than the billboard laid on the racetrack. It completely changes. Who's in? and who's out of this top eight. So I am 1 million percent spot off on the committee, not upholding this.

I would hope NASCAR is very upset about this. I'm glad they fix the language in their rulebook. But it comes back to they can't miss it to start with. What is going to stop somebody now? We talked about this. You brought it up the week it happened. What's going to stop somebody from spending somebody out under caution of Phoenix? Just $100,000.

It's $100,000. Would you talk about one spot in the playoffs. What's the championship work? Oh. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, I mean, obviously I don't think that's going to happen. But you've just opened this can of worms.

So where you're going to, you're going to find these guys $50,000 or $100,000 to spend somebody out? When they came out of the penalty, I instantly thought, whoa, that's going to stop these guys from doing that. Now it's like, never mind. Just kidding. Yeah. Well, continuing on the topic of penalties, NASCAR president, Steve Phelps says it's ridiculous

us to think Kevin Harvick's 100 points fine and Rodney Childers suspension for modifying a single source supplied part was punitive. Ooh, T.J. Spot on, spot on. I don't think they Rodney and Kevin seem to think it wasn't ridiculous.

I mean, hold on a second. All right. Do you think that something was wrong with their deck lid? I do. I would assume so. Okay, here's where I think the suspicion comes in. Do you think it was random that Kevin Harvick was the random? No.

Casey. Casey, you're supposed to be the one kissing their ass. Here's the only way you can be transparent right here. They're not good at this, okay? They're really not good at this. The only way you can be transparent is when the race is over, there is a drawing, and the randoms are transparently visible to me, to you,

to Casey, to Jason, to all the drivers, to all the media, to everybody. If you're coming up with a, quote, random, right? Yeah. On the hills of Harvick being very vocal about your parts, being very vocal about your safety, it doesn't look random. So what you need to do is be transparent with your random. The random usually ends up being somebody that was hauling ass. Yeah.

Well, but somebody that was hauling ass didn't finish in the top five. Like that's right or wrong. Or somebody that's fussing about something. Or somebody that's made a loud noise. Thank you. Listen to me. I'm going to tell you a factual story. Elliot Sadler flipped to Talladega, okay?

He got out of the car and he was fine. He got to the care center and he was fine. They told him they were going to give him an IV. He flipped out. Guess why? He hates needles. Guess what they did. They stuck him on a helicopter, on a backboard.

They flew him to towel out to Birmingham. I drove to Birmingham to meet him. He's livid, okay? He's livid that he's at this hospital. He now has to clear in order to get back in the race car. Okay. he do when he shows up the next week? He says, we need a traveling medical team. I don't need to see some random-ass doctor that doesn't know me and doesn't know I don't like needles and put me through

this because I flipped out and they told me I wasn't acting normal. Anybody that knows me knows I hate needles and I don't act normal when I see one. So they sent me to tell a for it. We didn't qualify that day. We went out. We went through inspection. We practiced. We went through qualifying inspection, they found something wrong with our rear camber. We went on the five minute clock to fix it. We didn't qualify that day. To this day, I'm not telling you it was because he said something, but to this day, he believes it was because he said we need a traveling medical team. So when we see these guys being vocal and then we see these things happen in inspection or happen in this scenario where Kevin is the random, I truly think something was wrong with his dick lid. And obviously

that's going to be heard in an appeal and they'll figure that out. But the problem, is was he legitimately a random? Can you say that? You know that for sure? I don't know. No, I can't say that for sure. Like you said, just transparency. How do you, if he is the random, how do you decide who the random is? I'm running a can of worms on here and I apologize. Everybody don't like it. But I'm telling you, that's a problem. I like the fact, I think it's good to have people, like Freddie said, though, like you should have, if something stands out, you pull them. Think about this. With 10 to go, they announce over our NASCAR channel. The randoms are this place, this place and this place.

You're going to do everything you can to not finish in them random positions. You're literally going to be like, I'm running fifth. I'm a random. I'm going to finish six. They should do that. They should do that pre-race. Do it pre-race. Whoever finishes.

No, you can't tell people. Because everybody's going to try not to finish that. Is it random or not? It's random. But you don't publish it. Like whatever, but it doesn't matter.

It's random if you do it after the race on Pit Road Live where everybody can see it. But I do like the fact that like Freddie said, though, sometimes things stand out. And if that guy doesn't win, they do things. But then it's not random. I know that there should be. The word random means we're randomly selecting people. I knew I was going to start a word.

But you can say, not picking the fast guy. The randoms are this car, and this car, and we are selecting this car as well. You know what I mean? I mean, change the wording.

Yeah, change the wording. Take random out. We're picking the fast cars. We're taking all the fast cars. We're just taking who we want. Who cares? Yeah. You're the sanctioned body.

Why is it got to be random? We choose. We choose. whoever we want. If you come, if you show up at the track and you run eight a mile hour faster on the straightaway, I'm going to take you back to see what you're doing, right? That's not a random. Exactly. Why doesn't it to be random? That's it. You're doing something we think we don't like. What's the difference? Just change the wording. Brett, Rodney had a tweet yesterday to you that no one at NASCAR had said anything

about 600 to start. How do you feel about that? So obviously Rodney Childers, long time crew guy man in this sport, long time successful crew chief in the sport. I had the chance to work with him at Evanham Motorsports, so I've known him a very long time. Actually, doesn't live too far from me either, so I see him in the neighborhood all time. But he basically made the comment that nobody from NASCAR congratulated him on his 600 start. And I just thought it was funny because I was having a conversation with a prominent TV guy in our sport, not Dell Jr., but a prominent TV guy in our sport about a lot of things a few weeks ago. And he said to me that our job is to leave the sport better than we found it.

And my reply to him was, the sport needs to give a crap that I was ever actually, here and this just goes to show you that right now this regime doesn't care they they need to be listen this it's about people literally this sport is about people it's about relationships i've always said we're in the relationship business it just so happens there's race cars out there when is the last time and i can say this literally because it just happened i did not know who the president or general manager of charlotte motor speedway was i knew who it was when i was when i was it was Humpy Wheeler. I knew when it was when it was Eddie Gossage at Texas. I knew when it was Mr. Bird at Bristol. I don't know who these people are anymore. They're not engaged with industry

people. Fortunately for us, we ran into the general manager at Charlotte North Speedway at our Q&A we just did. And he's a great guy. And I got to share some of my ideas with him. And I think that's where as an industry right now, we're missing it. These guys go into the trailer and they go into the booth and they don't spend time with those of us that pour our hearts and souls into this and travel 40 weeks a year and are willing to miss our kids baseball games and dance recitals and soccer matches and I know all you guys listening going oh yeah you got it so bad brett I'm not saying i got it bad i'm saying i pour my entire life into this job and into this career and some appreciation on their side will be nice what happened to kate when he got sick and left

who who what happened to leic sada when he retired who if you don't leave you this sport and go into a TV role or a broadcast role, they don't care about you. They don't care about you. And that's sad. Shouldn't be that way. We don't have, you guys talk about the differences. This could be its own show and I'm not intelligent enough to lead it. But if you went to the MLB and you had a career, you're set for life.

You've got insurance for life. You've got a pension. We don't have that. NASCAR's not done one single thing to help TJ majors put his kids through college. one single thing to help him retire. It's all on him. It's not on them. They don't invest in us as people who come and invest in the sport.

This is the way it is. And if I hurt your feelings, I'm sorry. I'm not lying to you. It's the way it is. It's always been that way. I've been doing this for 23 years. I've not received one single dollar, nor will I ever receive a benefit from being a NASCAR person. It's not there.

So what Rodney's saying is his feelings are hurt. and he publicly saying that, that's a big deal. I mean, he's a guy that literally, and a text message, I mean, he'll admit he wears his feelings on his sleeve, but he didn't have to share him with you on Twitter. But he did, and he's saying his feelings are hurt. Just the fact that he wrote that tweet says speaks volumes. It's a grown man.

You're thinking about it for a while. You didn't just think about it. He has thought about it for a while and then decided to send it. He's a grown man saying, it's my 600th start as a crew chief. my feelings are hurt. None of y'all said, thank you. None of you said, none of you said good luck. Not even, and he's not looking for a publicity stunt. He doesn't want a, you know, a ceremony on the front straightaway.

He's saying in this tweet, nobody shook his hand that day. Hey, Rodney, congratulations for being here for 600 races. I mean, he's not. They're where I told you. They're either in their hall or their booth. They're not out there with us. Yeah, he's not looking for attention. He's looking for appreciation.

and the fact that nobody could come to him and say, hey, man, it's good, I'm glad you've been here for the last, I mean, 600 starts is what? That's a lot of races for a cruise sheet. I can tell you this. Three times this has happened in my career. And all three times it was Steve Phelps and it was in the past year and a half. He's come to the roof before the race and he's either shook our hands or he's patted us on the back.

Thank you, Mr. Phelps. Thank you. Because we need more of that. Not only do we need that. why don't you come up there for 15 minutes and have a conversation with us. And it seems trivial, you know what the hell is? You know, like people like, oh, what's that matter?

Well, you see him, you're like, oh, who's in trouble? That's what you're saying. Yeah. But like, you know, who? What was the last time? One was the guilty conscience? That's the two of us just think that. But who was the last person's ever done that?

No, there was a one. I've never seen anybody up there besides Steve Phelps. If you think about how many people are in this industry, whether it be sponsors, whether it be teams, drivers, I mean, continued, it goes on. The fact that Steve himself, I mean, he asked me about my daughter, we don't, like, I don't see him every weekend.

Like, he, he does invest in the people in the sport. And I think it's incredible. I mean, he has a lot. He deals with too. And I think that something, something that was telling about that was Denny last week, did an interview on, I figure it was like Friday or Saturday where he said, like, we need new leadership, you know, he was kind of harping on the new car.

The next day he came out and said, I'm not talking about Steve felt. Like that I'm not that I'm sorry that got misconstrued. He goes, I'm not talking about Steve Phelps. I'm talking about the people that are in charge of this car. So it's just going to show you what kind of like Steve Phelps I think is amazing. Like I have to give credit to like, you know, the marketing team and there are certain avenues. Like I would not be in the sport if the diversity internship program didn't exist.

So I feel like there are a lot of things that they have really done a great job at. And I know Steve has been a huge part of it. and there's a lot of other industry members who have as well. Thank you. Congratulations. A good luck. It goes a long way. And Steve Phelps, again, of all my years being here, he's a guy.

When he pats me on the back, I honestly, I genuinely appreciate that. I'm like, man, he took his time to come up here to say, hey, thanks for what you're doing. That's all we're saying here is it. It's a big deal. If one person, one person in NASCAR would have shook Rodney's hand, this tweet doesn't get cent. So he's telling you not one person of all the officials he's encountered because as a crew chief, you're encountering a lot of officials through the day, whether it's tech, whatever media you go to, one person. Rodney's encountered a lot of officials over. I'm sure, especially last week. But

one person is what he's saying. Did not shake his hands. Say congratulations. All right. Let's move on to a similar topic. NASCAR responds to teams asking for a more fair profit split by proposing a small increase in revenue, but also dramatic cost-cutting measures. Brett, spot on, spot off. You can just have my time on this one here, Brett. Yeah. I mean, first of all, I've never worked for NASCAR. I've worked with NASCAR on various projects. Patrick Rogers, who is a VP, worked for me many, many moons ago when we had driver's choice up and running, a fantastic employee, fantastic person. So I am going to be loyal to the people. that have helped me get to where I'm at.

And that's drivers and that's teams. That's who's paid my way. And that's who's hired me. And so I'm going to be on their side no matter what. I just want you guys to hear me out for one second. It's a really, really, really big pie. It's a gigantic pie. And teams want more of the pie.

Everybody's still going to have plenty of pie to eat. Everybody's still going to get the good tasting of the pie. But teams want more of the pie. They want to make sure that the revenue sharing is indeed fair. Okay. So what do I mean by that? Teams are getting a share of TV money. They're not getting a share of anything else.

Do you think anything else is a big deal? Hell yeah, it's a big deal. We're talking about ticket sales. We're talking about parking. We're talking about licensing. We're talking about all the things that go into these racetracks. Companies pay a lot of money to have a footprint for mobile marketing at a racetrack. I looked off the roof this past weekend where we did our family.

on appearance, right? Chevrolet, Toyota, Ford, massive footprints out there, along with a lot of other sponsors, Bank of America, right? You think drivers don't deserve and teams don't deserve a little bit of that? I do, because why did they come? It came to watch the drivers, and it came to watch the teams. So when you hear about this revenue sharing as a fan, I know some of you don't care, and I know some of you care a lot because you're business-minded and you want to learn more about the economics of the sport. Just understand one thing. They're not sharing. enough of the TV money, in my opinion, with the teams, and they're not sharing all of the revenue

rake with the teams. So they deserve more of what they're getting from TV, and they also deserve a piece of the pie from the other revenue streams that they're currently not able to touch. Yeah, like you said, I'm not intelligent enough to talk about this, but the numbers that they dropped from this meeting, I think it was Jeff Gordon, Curtis Polk from 2311,

Dave Alpern from Gibbs, Gibbs, and, Steve Newmark from Roush. Okay. The four of them went in. Set the table on who these guys are. Obviously, you know Jeff Gordon. Newmark is the president of Roush Racing. Rousinway, Kozlowski Racing.

He was an attorney downtown Charlotte Wood R.B.H. For a very long time. Brilliant guy. Yeah. Alpern is the president of Joe Gibbs Racing, which I don't know his background. Best friends with J.D. Gibbs growing up, very intelligent guy, very marketing savvy. One of the nicest guys you'll meet in the garage. Curtis Polk is Michael Jordan's right hand, essentially.

He's the game changer. Okay, stop right there. When they were so excited Michael Jordan got here, guess what he brought with him? A bunch of smart people. He's the game changer. He's the guy that can come in with all of his experiences and other sports and entertainment and licensing,

because guess what Jordan brand is? A freaking licensing genius. So here comes this guy to the fight. Guess who you want at the table? This guy. That guy. I mean, it seems like we've, I mean, there's a lot of people that have been involved for a long time.

Since these guys got involved is when you're hearing, these changes. And just to provide some background. So Adam Stern tweeted NASCAR teams calculations show that 93% of the total value of the sport is represented by the league in tracks while 7% is represented by the team's combined value. I'd love to know that's from Curtis. I mean, that was one of his quotes in the meeting, I assume. I'd love to know what those numbers look like in the rest of the professional sports.

Like I don't know that. You don't have to wonder because you have no. name or you have not no name guys you have guys you've never heard of making 30 million dollars in the NBA yeah a year think about think about what NASCAR needs we need 12 to 15 million dollars right now plus your driver's salary to run a super competitive cup car you got guys in the NBA making that that aren't big name guys yeah like it's the economics of our sport needs some adjustment I was texting with a guy this morning he's an indy car guy he also used to work in here and he's like man there's no way this NASCAR TV deal is going to be big as the last one was. Bull-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-hick. It's going to be

way bigger. Live content is at an absolute premium right now because everybody is streaming and everybody's doing all these other things. If you want somebody to watch something live on TV, it almost has to be a sport. And Adam Stern just tweeted the exact same thing that NASCAR is interested in possibly selling a slice of its next media rights package to a digital streaming company. Just another example how the league is reimagining huge parts of the business. That goes to that that follows the NFL model of selling

their Thursday night game to Amazon Prime. Like you can't watch that game if you don't have Amazon Prime. I tried to return last week's game at Coles and it didn't work. My God, what a terrible game that was. Do you think that the with that 93-7 split, the fact that the charters are really primarily the

That's all the value for the teams? So it's a little misleading because it's just charter. base value, right? But that's all they're getting. Look, I'm upset. I mean, there are drivers out there. They're cup drivers out there that are in the top 30 that aren't making a million dollars a year total. There are drivers out there in the top 30 that, you know, their base salary. I'm sorry, owners are owners going to get mad about this and I don't care. But you can't tell me that a driver in the top 30 in the cup series doesn't deserve a million dollar base pay. You can't tell me that. I'm never going to buy into that because, you know, he or she did a lot to become a Cup Series driver.

And there's no way in hell I'm going to support them not making enough money. I'm not going to support a guy in the Cup Series only getting 10% of his top tens. I'm not going to support a guy that has a salary cap that he's hit in June. I want my guy to be hungry. Yeah. I don't understand how. And the reason we've come this way is because we're so, this is not the team's fault. we're so reliable we're so reliant on team sponsorship that we can't afford to pay these guys

what we what they deserve and what they need and so this is a shot you know the teams don't deserve in this new deal one million dollars more per year per car they deserve more than that because again remember what i told y'all this pie is big it's billions billions of dollars what we're talking about here is 40 million dollar increase no that ain't right give them some money I mean, you talk about, you brought up the NBA. And the perfect example is there's guys in the NBA. Their job is to shoot three-pointers. You look at a guy like Kyle Corver.

You look at a guy like JJ Reddick. Their job is you sit on the bench and when we need to make a big shot, we're going to bring you in. And they're making $10, $12, $15 million a year. Like, could you imagine you got A.J. Almondager. You know what, AJ? You sit over here all day long.

We're going to just bring you in for these road courses. Six races. Yeah. I'm going to pay you $10 million. You're going to just run these road courses to benefit my team. Like that's absurd in our world, and it's not in every other world. There are guys, and there are guys who make $10 million plus driving race cars in the Cup series, and they deserve.

How many of them guys are still out there? Oh, two maybe, three? Not what it was. How many was there in 2008? God, 20? Oh, there's a bunch. Yeah. I mean, I live those days.

You know, I ramble those guys. I mean, we, TJ did it too. We helicoptered everywhere. We limoed everywhere. We flew private planes everywhere. And now I bet there's three, four drivers still flying around on planes. I mean, you see guys selling their planes. They can't afford them.

They can't afford them. You can't afford $5,000 an hour to fly a private jet around. And look, man, that's a shame because when we- People will go, all God, bless them, first world problems. But this is a business, people. This is a business. Listen, everybody that's listening, I want you to become rich. Everybody that's listening, I want you to make more money.

I want you to go to your boss and tell them you want more money. And if they tell you to get a, go get a new job. Because I want everybody to do well. I'm not just parading around here saying drivers need to make more money. If drivers make more money, if drivers make more money, spotters make more money. If spotters make more money,

the guys change, everybody makes more money. The biggest thing I take away from this revenue sharing deal on NASCAR is do you want to see the best drivers in the world in NASCAR? Because right now, I don't think you have that. I think you have maybe the 20, 30 best drivers, and you probably have 10 guys that are funding a team, so then they get out there.

This revenue sharing is if they get more of the pie from NASCAR, they can afford to just go get great drivers. They don't have to rely on sponsorship. They don't have to rely on daddy's money, quote unquote. You know, the- bunch of daddy's money out there. They can go get the- Ryan-Preece is a cup driver.

Ryan Priest could be a successful cup driver if he had the right opportunity, but he's never going to get that chance because he doesn't have money right now. I think what Justin Marks is doing right now bringing drivers from other sports, their business model, as I've been doing some research on it, is very impressive. And what he's bringing to the sport, I feel like, is a good model that we could be all learning from. Project 91 is a really cool endeavor. But, I mean, to Freddie's point, I was fortunate enough this past weekend to me to guys,

I love to watch race Jonathan Davenport. And, I mean, he's made, he's made more money this year. Holy cow, he's middle. Listen to me, this guy's made more money driving a dirt car. Okay, his car is collected over almost two million in winnings. They still got five or six races left. He's made more money than a lot of guys in the Cup Series. I didn't say some guys.

I said a lot of guys. Okay, he's a dirt track driver. Now, again, if we're going to go to Bristol, who are you going to hire to drive a dirt car? it's going to be a guy like Jonathan Davenport. It should be. It should be him. But the reason these teams, Casey, to your point, can't do that is they can't afford it or they're not willing to spend money on it. So Justin Marks is going about this sport from an entire new angle, even graphically. His graphics, his designs are awesome.

Like I think he's doing a lot of things really well. But all those things that you're talking about take money, that's why the teams want more money. It's to be able to do things like that. They can do a lot with it. You could be the most talented driver. TJ Majors could be the most talented driver at Hickr. You're washed up. I heard that last week.

I mean, you could win every race. Lane Riggs, Sky Riggs boy just won the national championship. Peyton Sellers is a perfect example. Like, these guys are super, super talented and we'll never get an opportunity to our sport because they don't have the funding to get there. And that's a problem. Like, that's an issue.

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I am the Brett Griffin fan club president of the Indiana chapter. Finally, yes! Way to go, Josh. Way to go! The data tells me that Bubba still sucks. Freddy, you can't see shit. I just want to say, I'm not drunk. My great grandma could outrun him, and she's 90-8.

Reaction theater rolls in three, two, one. Hey, y'all. Long-time listener for your first. time caller. Just got done watching the Xfinity race. Man, that was a pretty entertaining race. You guys talk about it all the time, but did you guys notice some of the no respect coming from the truck series up to the Xfinity series? Man, some of these guys just running in the back of people. Joe Graff Jr., who the hell you think you are? The guy driving the number four car, just plowing in the back of people. Unbelievable. Then he got Sage wrecking people for a top five. I hope he gets

his ass beat. Poor guy one, Sage to get his ass. Who, did Sage wreck himself or did know? I don't know. I thought Sage actually drove a pretty good race. I thought Sage, I mean, he was

third on last week. He was doing a really good job. And then I'll tell you who should get a shout out is Stefan Parsons until you, your car, go directly through him. I put the whammy. Listen, Stephen Parsons drove a great race last week.

He drove a really good race. I'm sorry. He drove a great race this week. He drove a great race this week. He drove a great race. where he finished in the top 10, I think, recently. It wasn't Talladega, but... Is it maybe Texas?

Maybe. Listen, that kid's a talented, talented kid, but unfortunately, I was standing next to Brandon McReynolds, who's a really good friends with Stefan, and Tyler Amon, who's also friends with Stefan. And I didn't know Stefan was in the 45 for most of the race. And I looked up, he was fourth or fifth on the last restart. And I go, or second last restart, I go,

is that Steph in the 45? I said, he's killing it today. He's doing a hell of a job. And then we just went and spun him out on the next restart. So unfortunately he didn't get the finish he deserved, but man, he did a great job. The Xfini series had guys in the top five that were there because they were wheeling it. You know what I mean? It wasn't like.

Yeah, it wasn't like you just, it wasn't a cup of race. I almost wish Connor got an Xfini car. Yeah, he would have been better off. You know what I mean? Connor, so I got shit off for your talk. I did talk a little shade last week at Connor saying he was going to be out of the race early. And I wasn't talking about Connor. I assure you.

I assure you, I wasn't talking about Connor. I was talking about the car he's driving. So he would have been way better off getting in a good Xfinity car versus that, whatever, the money team or whatever hell that is. Yeah. Because they were going to finish the race. Sage had, obviously, he was, I think he learned a little bit from Road America. He was passing people using him up. And people got mad at him.

Obviously, Noah had that incident and he would probably take that back and do it differently if he could. But this race, I saw Sage drive a much. smarter race. He was still super aggressive. I'm okay with being aggressive, but you got to be ready. It's going to cost you at some point. But he was in the top five. Stefan had a perfectly quiet day.

It looked like I was just going to do my own thing. And Landon decided to get the plow out and take him to left field. That's not like Landon. What happened? I don't know. I think we were. There is a guy on our left that we were racing very hard that had moved us earlier. and I think we might have overshot a corner trying to get ahead of him and

Okay. Because Landon's not a guy to go out and ran. No, Lannon. I want a spot for a driver that wants to wreck people. That's what I want to do. I want to sign up for a guy that wants to wreck people that hit him and that wreck them. And I'm telling you, I want a spot for a guy like that. I hate to talk crap about this guy because he might have run the BBC Payne scheme this

year. But there was early in the race, we were trying to pass Justin. And there was twice he just, we got next to him and he ran us over a curb. when Landon, to your point, backed out. And then there was the second time or third time he did it. Landon stayed in there and we both spun in turn three. And Landon's like, oh, I'm sorry about that. I'm like, why are you sorry?

Like, stop. You're not sorry. Like, you were next to him and he ran you over a curb. It's not your fault. Like Chris Rice came on and said, Justin doesn't own this place. He's like, this is not Justin's racetrack. You have every rights every inch.

So, you know, but, you know, that's to the point of Landon. Like, I obviously was not intent. We direct the seven too. You will not work as a driver or as a spotter. You will not work for a better company than collig racing because of the way they approach the race and because of the culture and because of the way they don't put pressure on anybody. Like, you know, if you love or hate Chris Rice, it is what it is. I don't carry you the way. But as a person that is working for collard racing and Chris Rice, it is awesome.

I don't know how he juggles all the balls he does because. no matter what happens. If something happens on my car, he's going to be on my radio. If something happens on Brett, like instantly. Like as soon as something happens, he's going to be involved in like every car.

He's on every, it's not like he's sitting there. Listen, AJ, AJ was the car this week. You know, AJ is chasing four wins in a row. If I'm Chris Rice and in my mindset, I'm focused fully on AJ.

But as soon as that happened with, with us and Justin, he's on my radio. I'm sure anything happened in your radio, you drove off the racetrack and hit the wall. I'm sure he was on. your radio. You know, like, he's, he's got his hands on everything over there. You can tell the culture over there. You can see it in the drivers how they, you know, how they mix with each other and stuff.

You can see that. I mean, something as simple as practice. We, we, we don't, we don't go to practice. I saw you go off all each other. Every way, that's every week. We don't, we don't do anything separate. Like when we leave pit road, we all leave together, you know, qualifying. We all leave together. Whatever it is, they do it together. It's, I mean, it's, it's one of the rare instances where you talk about one team, one dream. Collie Racing is the model for that. I thought I was going to retire saying that Michael Walter Racing was the favorite place I've ever worked out

because of all those things I just gave you. I loved Michael as an owner. I had known Ty Norris forever. Obviously, I was there with one of my best friends, Clint. But I think Matt Colleg is passing Michael Walter Racing in terms of best place I've ever worked. And I've worked at a lot of them. You know, I don't know Matt Colleg, but I'd like to see more of them.

You know what I mean? Like everything you hear about him, seems to be positive and fun, dude, man. Yeah. He's a brohug kind of guy. Good luck. Mr. Positive. Like when stuff happens, he's never like, man, why do we do that?

I'm not doing that. We're, no, everything just gets it. It's Mr. positivity. This is the dumbest, stupidest, most f*** up fucking race I have ever watched in NASCAR history. One, if you're going to make it a cutoff race, at least go NASCAR nonstop the entire time. but you're not going to do that because you're stupid. And then the other thing is, geez.

Is stupid shit like this is knocking my boy Larson out of the playoffs, when Larson is by far the best car? I understand it's the format, Brett, before you jump down my throat, but this is fucking stupid. I'd like to know what his reasoning is to call Larson clearly the best car because he's not. He might be the best driver,

but he's not the best car. Not right now. Yeah. I mean, where was he? Where was he in a regular season? Do you know, anybody know? Like, he wasn't the top three or four. Jason said, I can't talk anymore, so I'm just going to be quiet.

I don't know. He was probably fourth or fifth in there in that ballpark. I mean, in his interview, he said he made a lot of mistakes this year. Betway, the gambling service that decided to sponsor turns five and six today, give them all a race. When they're signing up on the track, they save the goddamn race. They got a lifetime customer in me. I'll lose money with them any day because I was sure losing time watching that race.

Come on. That's actually creative. I literally, that was good. I literally went down about, I don't know, 20 to go and I sat down next to Brett and I was like,

this is the worst race we've ever had, I think. Like, this is bad. I looked up once they got singed out and, you know, I had a couple guys missed chicanes. Then it was like from there on out. I was like,

you can't pass anybody. Let me ask you all this. Be honest. Were there any point in the race where you went? Oh, shit, I don't know where my car's at. No. I did. I was like, I have no idea where I'm right.

That's happened in 24 hours. That's what I felt like I was watching. The 24 hour, I do it all the time. It scares the shit out of you too. We were running third and there wasn't nothing in front of us. You know what I mean? I mean, obviously the guys in front of us could have wrecked at any point, but I literally like, I don't know where I was pink.

I started day dreaming. And I looked up and I was like, man, I have no idea where my car's at right now. I keyed up on Channel 2. I'm like, Lenny, where are we at? The 24 hours. hour race. Shout out Earl Barbin, who's one of my favorite human beings on the planet. He started the race,

and then I did the second shift. So my first shift was at night. And I get to the roof, and he goes, every car at the Rolex has LED lights on it, you know, somewhere. And he goes, just so you know, our lights fell off and one of our headlights is not working. And I was like,

I get up there and there was five times. The one headlight might be okay, though. It's not it. Yeah. I look, Doug Campbell was standing next to me, and I go, We were teammates. We were doing a 9-11-9-12. And I was like, Doug, where's my car? Hitting him like, you lose it 10 times during that race.

Insa actually has a timing and scoring deal and you can put the track map like on your right. And it has your car number right there. So you can find it. So you're like, bam. There we are. No, I didn't have that. You got to have it.

Because I've lost my car at night. You lose your shit at night. Good luck. This short conversation thing is going great. Shut up. We're having fun. Well, it is kind of hard to feel bad for Larsa. I know he's on TV right now being really hard on himself.

But weren't you the same guy, like two or three months ago, that was bragging about not going to the simulator? While you're going to go race for like $20 at some random track in America, all these other drivers are learning this car. And I don't think there's anyone else to blame. but you, which in fairness, he did say he blamed himself, but I hope this offseason, he takes a good, hard look at his schedule and start figuring this out because, man, it's just been really disappointing on the five team.

This guy's an idiot. You're a complete idiot. Yeah, you are. I promise you, he's never raced a race in his life for $20. You win my, what an idiot for this week. I promise you, he's learning more. Do you think race car drivers want to go drive a freaking computer or a real car? This guy's a clown.

So last year I'm kidding I'm not You're not a clown Whenever whenever he was dominating He must have been in a simulator Every damn week You know just killing it

Probably he wasn't Probably lived in there He had like 28 wins In the cup series last year And he probably lived in a simulator I mean the only reason Kyle Larson isn't continuing on As a mechanical issue right

Like I mean What broke yesterday Like something broke right Um I don't know what it was I mean but it was It was mechanical It wasn't this

Suarez had an issue as well. 100% It happens. Like it's these great parts. We talked about it on here. Like when we were picking our, when we were picking the guys at advanced, there's always going to be one or two guys that just don't advance

because they have issues. It's mechanical. Like the owner's championship side, we're out of the playoffs because of mechanical issues. I mean, he had engine issues. There were a few times where he had DNS for engine issues. When I had Briscoe in the truck series, we won Homestead that year,

but we got knocked out of the playoffs because we had an issue with the motor at Talladega and knocked us out. We go to Homestead and win. If we just could have finished Talladega, we would have been racing for the championship at Homestead. That's part of it. But what can you do? It's just,

it's like cutting a tie. I assure you it's got nothing to do with simulator time. 100%. All right. Don't forget, guys, you can leave an audio message whenever you'd like. Just go to anchor. dot FM slash door bumper clear. You'll see the message icon and we will keep playing the best ones.

I got to leave soon. I got to go to the spotter sim. It's time. for the AskDBC Offerpad question of the week. Don't forget to send in your questions on Twitter each week using hashtag AskedBC and we'll answer the best ones. This first one is from Jared underscore Coates 24. Why is it that a car that was designed for road course races so much better than on Oval's?

Solid question. I mean, Charlotte Ours Races is a great race. I don't think, I don't think, I think some of the road course races have been great. this one was a stinker, obviously. Tire fall off is what you need. And that's like you go to Sonoma? That's across the board. Any race, any track, whatever you want,

we need tire fall off. Any tracks that have tire fall off, you have comers and goers like Sonoma. You go out there and you lead the race, you burn your stuff up, you fall back. Guys that are smoother on the throttle, take prevail. I mean, we've said it for literally,

however many years. How many years has it been a podcast, Jason? Seven years. Give us more horsepower and give us tires that wear out. It's the same thing we've said since day one. T.J. and I preached it for seven years on here. More horsepower, a tire that wears out. Also, I do agree with Freddie at the road courses.

Just get rid of the stops. Yeah, because it flips the whole thing. It gives people track positions that probably didn't deserve it. Like you looked at yesterday, the first stage, Joey, William, Daniel Suarez, three of the fastest cars were in a race. races away. They stayed out, obviously, because they needed points. They had too.

And you never, ever saw them again. You're talking about the guy that said on the pole. They went out there and laid the fastest lap down in qualifying, got after it, did his, you know, did his job. And he leaves the race. Now you're going to be like, ah, good job today. Go to the back. Yeah. And you never saw him again.

Like in years past, you could at least, if you were Joey Legano, if you were William Byron, you would flip the stage, get points. I'm sorry. you would not flip the stage, you would get your points, you'd restart, I don't know, 20th, 21st or so, something like that, and you could drive back into the top 10, top five. These guys yesterday,

you know, they pit at the stage break, AJ was leading the race, pit, and came out and finished fourth at the stage because we were so far back that we couldn't even jump the guys that pit, you know? Yeah, it's, it's, there was just the, and there was no, there was nothing you could,

do as a driver in the car to help minimize or gain, you know, like the guys that were good at road courses, like taking care of the rear tires. You couldn't even do that and make passes. Bubba was getting upset with himself because he's like, I can't, I can't figure out how to pass these guys. I said, don't worry. Nobody else can either. Like, if I'm Steve O'Donnell or Steve Phelps, the first thing I'm going to do over the winter is say at play races and at road courses, we're not stopping for stage breaks anymore. We're paying the points and we're going to keep going. and guys and the gals at home, unfortunately, we're probably going to see commercials

during Green Flag runs. But what I don't like, the least about the stages at road courses, is you know nobody needs fuel in the first window. So everybody's going to run it out and either you're going to go for points or you're going to flip it. It's one of the other.

Same thing. It screws you in stage two or it sets you up to be great in stage two. Where it gets complicated is you look at an AJ Amendinger, he doesn't eat points. So he's able to flip and go for track position every single time.

We need to stop stopping the race at these places. Pay the points. Keep going. Keep going. This next one is from JJ Turnip and it's for TJ. Are you spotting for Haley at Vegas this weekend for the Xfinity race? I am not spotting for Haley and McVoseney race. Whatever. Why not? Who is? The other T.J.? When you, no, when you commit to a car all year, you don't, like, even no matter what happens if you commit to them, I've always been big on, you need to. You're a liar. Unless Dale Jr. race. So junior races in your barry. But actually, when I started the year, when I started the year, I went in there.

That was part of the, hey, he's... That was part of your deal. You tell him that up front. You know what I mean? You know that you're going to... You tell him you're going to screw them in the beginning of the year versus the middle. I'm going to screw you one time this year, but I'm there the rest of the time. But I think, uh, I'm pretty sure Coleman Presley is doing it.

So I got you. The ultimate ninja. So that'll probably be... Is he allowed? Do we, I think so it'll probably be my last. last year with Haley because Coleman on Ninja me out of that. So we got to tell this story. The nickname Ninja on the spotter stand, Jason,

came from a friend of ours named David Keith. There's no longer with us. But when somebody would try to take his job, he would say that there's a ninja after him, right? Because he's trying to take his job. So the word ninja in the spotter group chat, and as a spotter is something that we use when somebody's trying to backdoor you

and ultimately get you unemployed. The group chat, man, I missed D.K. Used to be a, a group, the pitcher for the group was a ninja. Remember he used to be that? Yeah. Oh, David Keith. Yeah. Yeah.

China Ninja. So yeah. Coleman Ninja like three people in like two years. So I mean, that's why I gave me ultimate ninja. Oh, all right. Well, congrats to, we'll give it to Jared Coates. 24 for having this week's offer pad question of the week. Time for us to get to our favorite X-Fi more than fast moments from this week.

Whether you're behind the wheel or online, speed isn't the only thing you need. So what were your favorite more than fast moments this week? TJ. Man, I want to give it to a guy that you're not probably going to hear much from. I'm going to give it to Stefan Parsons for running that race and making a name for himself there. probably lesser equipment drove a really good race he should have went faster and turned six so he couldn't

run in the back of him. Sometimes you can't help when the piles come out there. My X-Fat more than the fast moment, I'm going to give it a bell. I obviously put tires on. He had tires. It was easy. He was on a mission, man. He about took our right front off and I might have not have been nice about what happened after he hit us,

but he was driving with a man on a mission and won the race in a must-win situation for him his team. My Xfinity X-5 more than fast moment has to go to, we've seen a sign at our live DBC that said this the king of the Roval, A.J.

Almondinger. Four in a row Xfinity series. A great shot. He's going to finish second or third without that caution there in the cup race. I don't know how you give it to somebody else. He just gets it done there. And a lot of times

not with the best car. I thought Ty Gibbs is a little better than him on Saturday. And he out drove him on a restart. A couple of years. A.J. A lot of him. And he did what he had to do to get the win. And he won the race. And I mean, the same thing happened when I did that monsoon race with, I spotted for him.

And that was the worst race of my life. And it was one percent better because he, we won the race. But same thing. Briscoe was the best car. And he just, and AJ just out drove monot on a rate restart. So, uh, A.J. Almondinger, Xfinity X-Fi, more than. fast moment. The good news for the Xfinity series drivers is AJ cannot run

that race next year. He cannot win five in a row there. So somebody else will have a shot finally. Talking about this, Jason, I'm going to draw this out a little bit longer for you. AJ Amendinger, Noah Gregson, leaving

the Xfinity series. Like, that's a lot of wins leaving the Xfinity series. Ty Gibbs leaving the Xfinity series. Ty Gibbs is a lot of wins. Well, he hasn't announced that yet. Oh, really? I thought you all announced a full. in June. I think it was broadcast everywhere.

How many wins is that? That's got to be 10, 12 wins easily. You know, that's leaving the show. I was won five or six. Yeah. AJ's one five. AJ's five. And ties probably at least three or four, right?

I mean, so that's almost 15. I think he had five. Anyway, a lot of wins. We're not going to numbers today. A washed up guy might have a chance next year to win. Well, you might won't jump in there. Let's get in there. Here on Doorbumper Clear, being more than fast is the way of life.

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Let's move on to what an idiot. Brett? Man, this guy yesterday was going to win the race and he got screwed because of the billboard. I personally thought that was karma coming back to him for how Chase Elliott raced. Kevin Harvick at Bristol after the little endeavor. I was like, man, he's going to lose this race because of karma. And then on pit road, our most popular driver, our current NASCAR Keynes, Chase Elliott decided to take a television camera and push it away from him.

You can't be doing that. You can't do that for a lot of reasons. A, you're on a most popular driver. B, all those sponsors that are on your fire suit are being paid to be there so cameras can capture their brands. It's just a really, really, really bad look. And he needs to, in my mind, apologize for it. Because you're in public.

You're on pit road after the race. And everybody, listen, I don't care if it's a fan with a camera phone out. They're entitled to capture you. You're having a public conversation. You're, you're, they're entitled to capture you. You're not in your motorhome. You're not in the driver owner lot. You're not in the bathroom.

You're not in a place where you can expect privacy. Am I wrong? No, you're on pit road. If you, if, I'm assuming he didn't want them to hear whatever the hell he was talking to William about. If that's the case, getting. the hauler and talk to William. Don't do it on Pit Road where there's everybody.

What is there that you can't talk about right there? I mean, that's like, and there's tons of people standing around him too. What's a camera? You know, there's other people. You can see there's PR people stand in there. Yeah. You know, that's just a little glimpse of Chase Elliott right there. But I mean, what's he so mad at?

I'm just kidding. Anybody not? No, I don't know. I just don't understand why you're pushing the camera away from you. You're not pushing aggressively, but you're basically saying, get this camera away from me. He got used up a little bit on a restart. I mean, he had the race won.

He was going to win the race without the caution. He was. And he got used up on a restart, which happens. I thought the move from Harvick was actually really brilliant when he got into AJ, maybe. Yeah, off a two. Yeah, I mean, Harvard was like, here's my opportunity. I'm going to take it and go. And he damn near did.

He about pulled it off. He did pull it off. He did pull it off. He would have if it stayed green. Yeah. Yeah, that was classic, great move. But, you know, Chase's incident wasn't. He came down on Reddick when he spun out.

That wasn't somebody wrecking him. Reddick had a nose there, and I think Chase tried to slam the door, and he got spawned. So it's not like he just got, he didn't, he wasn't a victim like some of the others were that race. Like Stefan. Yeah, or me in the cup race. I mean, ship from five carlinks back into a chicane.

It's fun time. But, um, all right. So, one idiot. Who are you? Wow, man. As, I like, there's so many nominees this week. there's the road courses like this always give plenty of opportunity for for uh what an

idiot's but you know you got the the loudmouth guy at the at the show could be he's an idiot yeah that guy's an i didn't hear that guy he was wearing a sunglasses a night he's an idiot but you know you're to be like you're just an idiot he's just drunk showing off for his buddies i don't i don't hate him for that well he obviously wants to have dinner with you um but i'm gonna go with uh i'm gonna go with the two i mean how do you that that's your road course guy you sure you're supposed to know better than to just destroy cars like that and you know you there's no advantage of you're going to wish cane side by side with a guy and you're yeah you're racing that guy sure but there's you know better he knows where

his breaking point is and you can't use the car in front of you like that and i had more respect for that you know but so i'll give it to him evidently sent the 48 too i'm telling you man it the integrity is out the window when you have a late race restart everywhere we go yeah you know you think and he was desperate i'll give him the only thing i'll give him is he was desperate how desperate you are do something get a better restart you don't just drive through people he the only thing the only saving grace for him in my opinion was he was and i told bubble gum on the green i'm like this two is desperate he's going to do something stupid eventually unfortunately you were the recipient of it so i told brad the same thing on the restart i'm like hey just you know you're going to have to

take away the bottom and then the middle into one because he's going to to go there first and then as soon as you take that away he's going to swing back up and he hit us into one not just into another car and then decided to clean us out into the backstretched chican big fan you're a big fan if you're there's desperate and stupidity you know he ninjaed him yeah he ninjaed for sure uh i will give my one idiot to a buddy of mine this is this is partially a shout out and then one idiot uh Tyler Courtney won the uh All-Stars championship again, back-to-back for him. Chris Winda, my buddy, won the rookie of the year.

Congratulations to them guys. And we have a vacation planned this year in December. We go away with them all the time. And Tyler, I said, hey, man, I text Tyler earlier. I said, have you not wrapped this deal up? Like, I didn't, they got a lot of show up points. Like, if you just show up, you get a lot of points. So I said, have you not wrapped this deal up?

He says, no, I just got a, I got to show up, basically. So I text on when he won the championship, I was like, Congratulations. I'm really proud of you for showing up. And he's he texts me back and he said, I'm really excited. Thank you, whatever. Now we all have something to celebrate in Hawaii. And we are not going to Hawaii. I was about to say, I thought, because Wyndham said he had an extra room for us. And I was like, Hawaii. I mean, I'll go to that one. We're going to Cabo. But like, he was pretty. He's like, now we all got something to celebrate Hawaii. And I'm like, we are not going to Hawaii. So I will give a shout out and a one idiot award. to Tyler Courtney.

Maybe you're not. Yeah, maybe they're going. Maybe I'm not invited that trip. I'm down for the Hawaii trip. Yeah, no kidding. I'm very surprised that you, that was your one idiot. I didn't have a better one.

I mean, I don't you race a roval when you're not have at least one. Hey, shout out. I will give a shout out while we're talking about this. Chad boat, CBI, three USAC wins in a row?

Yeah, they didn't win Saturday night, but they went Friday night. They had won three a row. They sweeped Aldora. So that's swept, not sweeped. Whatever. Baby brain. Not pregnant.

Okay. Let's move on to Playoff Central. So Larson, Cindrick, Suarez, and Bowman were eliminated. Freddie, you said the one. What's he want? Answer it. Let's put him on speaker. Who is it?

Tyler. Hey. Did you figure it out? Tyler, we're on show right now. You can't hear me. We're talking to DBC strategy because we both didn't know that I won or we won this week. We won. We won.

I mean, Tyler told me to pick him. I need her to keep winning. Keep helping her, Tyler. Yeah, I really excelled. I didn't, I had zero ideas going to win with an eighth place finish. At least I won something. I'm proud of you. Wait, you can't share who we're going to pick yet because I'm last and somebody else to take it.

So I'll call you when we're picking. Oh, I thought we were picking already. Oh, we're talking. Oh, we're talking final four predictions if you want to. You're not in it. Yeah. Yeah. Thanks for rubbing it in.

She needs your help and other facets of her life, too. Not just picking picks. Yeah. I need help figuring out how to organize my house and I don't even know where to start. See, Casey. She's great at how she's amazing. That's not me either. Sorry, Tyler.

Who's your final four prediction? Oh, oh, geez. Denny, because he's great. Jesus. This starts already. Good. Who else? Let's see here.

I'm going to go with Blaney. Okay. Chase, Elliot, obviously. Not briscoe? His fans are really nice people. They're very kind. They're very kind. They're just fantastic people.

I'm going to Ross. He's going to find a way to get there. Good picks. I'm going to call you back when it's our turn. Who do you guys got for Final Four predictions? Well, you can't not pick Chase Elliott because he's got a 30-point cushion. That's a lot. And obviously, they've got a lot of speed.

It's unbelievable how fast they were at the last Vegas race as an organization. So he's going to run well at Homestead. see he's good at Martinsville. You got to go with Chase Elliott. I think we all three can agree Chase Elliott. After that, it gets complicated because I think William Byron gets in. He's currently out. I think.

I do, too. I think Byron figures out a way to get in. I hope Denny, honestly, is in championship contention at Phoenix. So I'll pick Denny for personal reasons. And then I don't disagree with him about Ross Chastain. I think Ross Chastain was driving over his head and making a lot of mistakes. I think when Freddie and I ran into the track. house guys. Where were we Charlotte that time?

Or Texas. We were somewhere. Kansas. And we're talking. We actually had some conversations with the track house guys, the management team, about kind of Ross's approach to races. It seems like he tamed himself too much. I think Ross is back on the Don't Give a Buh, tour. Starting this weekend at Vegas, that's my four. Guys agree? Discreate? I'm going

with Chase Elliott. I'm going to go with, I do think Byron gets in. I think Denny gets in. I think Denny gets in there. He's the fourth. And you know what? I think Ross gets in too. Chase Elliott's in, obviously. We've all agreed on that.

I'm going to pick my boss because if not, he might not sign my contract. I think Joey Lugano gets in. I think Joey can sneak up on some people and you don't really hear a lot of them and he just points his way into races and finishes well. So you think fords of these next two mile and a half? He's going to be okay.

I think he's going to be okay. That gap that he's had is been dwindling. What about that fourth? The point cushions. My fourth guy, I'll take, this is a different from you guys, Christopher Bell. I think if he doesn't,

now Christopher is an edgy guy because he makes mistakes. Too many of them. But if he doesn't make a mistake, he's got the speed to get there. So he's just got to clean it up, clean the mistakes up, and he can get there.

So two Toyotas, a Ford and a Chevy. The Toyota's call ass. at mile and a halfs, just for the record. Dare we pick championship, champ predictions? Not yet. We'll wait on that. Exfinity Final Four predictions.

T.J. So, man. Noah, because he's got an 800 point lead. Man, the top, Noah, AJ, and Ty are going to be in.

From there, I mean, I got to go with, I got to, at the top four, staying the same. Justin Allgaier is going to be racing at Phoenix for a championship as well. I can't disagree with you.

I can't find a reason to tell you why Josh Berry, Austin Hill, Brandon Jones, or Sam Mayer are going to get in unless they win a race. I'm telling you right now, Josh Barry to win Martinsville. Josh is the wild card here. And he's tied.

He's, uh, what is he minus 11 back? Actually, he's 11 back. He's going to win Martinsville. Yeah. I think those four guys have to find a way to win a race. And I'm going to tell you how some, man, Brandon Jones, that car has a lot of speed at mile and a half, so he'll have a shot.

You know, he runs good at a mile and a half so when he doesn't wreck. Josh Barry, you know, he runs good at a Vegas. Didn't he win Vegas? Yeah, I don't remember. Yeah, maybe. I think he won Vegas earlier this year. Obviously, he's a short track guy. He was in, but I agree with TJ.

I think the guy's on the left here. Noah, AJ, Ty, and Justin are the four favorites to continue the championship run. Those other four, they're going to have to win a race. But we know this. We've seen this happen. One of these top contenders is going to have a problem. They're going to blow a tire. They're going to have a wheel come off.

They're going to, something. Power steering is going to go out. By the way, our power steering goes out every other race anyway at colleague racing lately. I don't know what's going to all that. Chris We'll get to the bottom of it. But one of these guys are going to have a problem. Yeah. I think Josh wins a race in this final round.

I think it's probably circle. Circle Martinsville. I think, but like to Brett's point, one of these guys is going to have an issue and that was not close Brett but one of these guys on the left that are the four Gregson, Almanager, Gibbs and Alguer are going to have an issue and it's

going to open the door for somebody but I think Josh can steal Martinsville and knock one of these guys out. That's a big I think it's big because Justin Allgaier right now like if you ask me to bet the house on anybody going to Phoenix, Justin Allgaier's the guy you're putting your money on but

if he's not he's the one up that's on the cut right now and if he gets knocked out, then it is, you know, that's a big deal for him. It's, you know, to me it's impressive, Noah's obviously went on that hot streak, but to see Justin in the top four and see Josh Barry in fifth, that's, that's a good run. It's going to be interesting. I think driving

the 48 cup car obviously is giving Noah extra track time, but he came out publicly and said his entire focus before he got in the 48 car was to win an Xfinity Series championship. So I'm curious to know, it's splitting time between those two cars. They drive completely different. is is it going to affect his efficiency?

And I don't know that it will or won't, but I find it, I guess we'll see what Alex does. I mean, he finished third, but he started like 34th or something in the cup race. So I feel like he, or sorry, Xfinity race, so I feel like he did pretty well. Noah was really aggressive on resarts at the Roval

in the cup car. You have to be. Yeah, he did a really good job. I mean, that one restart, we started right beside him and he was five cars in front of us, because we were on the inside, he was on the outside, but he was making whatever land opened up work.

All right. Well, I had no idea. Tyler and I both won DBC Vicks at Charlotte by picking Tyler. Brett leads with eight wins. Jason and Freddie are tied for second with seven. TJ is in third. I'd like to appeal this last picks because I made my pick with William Byron before they getting his points back.

You can appeal that along with all the drivers who appeal, who want to appeal the Taledekir. What's not, he... I'd like to appeal. Tyler spinning my guy out. Yeah, that's not fair either. We're calling him again. So, uh, Brett, you get to pick.

If my guy didn't get his points back, he would have raced that race completely differently. So... My picks have sucked in the playoffs. It's the only reason I'm able to stay in the lead is because Casey, who sucked all year... He's not winning every week because she has a consultant, a paid consultant,

mind you. I don't pay him. That's a lie. That's a bet. What? He's paying for dinner. Yeah, does Bojangles take reservations? Because that's where we're going.

No, we're going to epic. So with that said, I can't pick any. I can't even pick my nose at this point. I'm going to go with a guy who I think ran top five there earlier in the year. William Byron. Christopher Bell. I don't even see Byron on my list.

Where is he? We're doing picks right now. You got Brett, Brett, he's not on any of our list. William Byers not even our list, Jason. Yes, he is. He's just missed, not in the right spot. Alphamatically.

Oh, he is in the right spot, but it's just below the bushes. Yeah. Brett, who'd you pick? Oh, I'll take William Byron. Jason? Bell. Freddie? I'll take the greatest.

Danny, huh? Danny Hamlin. TJ? I mean, I've already used. with Tyler. All right, Tyler. He picked me? Yeah.

Oh my God. Why would you do that? Why would you save him for Homestead? I was going to say the same thing. Too late. I mean, I can't like Casey. I like my chance better Vagnes and Homestead. I will give him that.

We were, yeah. All right. So are we taking Larson or Ross? I would go, I don't know. I would go to Larson. All right. Larson. I'd go with the Don't Give a tour right now.

I yeah that's what I said but Tyler thinks did he test did he test Homestead Tyler did you test Homestead yeah I didn't get to do more than 20 laps so how many times you hit the wall that's why they took him out at the wall so yeah I'm screwed I got no no laps I watched people for two days dialing run in the fence and I'm just sitting there like oh boy he actually came to the spotter saying with us for a little bit all right well I guess we'll find out Tyler was real hot up there wasn't it was terrible on that roof. Casey, let's go.

I support it for our bank account's sake. I told them Bojangles, maybe Bojangles to take reservation. We're going to epic. Yeah, Bojangles. No, they're going to epic.

So he knows. All right, if I can get that chocolate cake, then I'll support it. Yeah, chocolate cake, cheesy toast. Cheesy toast is so good there. All of it. Done. All right.

Well, talk to you later. All right. Bye. All right. DBC picks are in the books. Happy. birthday to our boss, Dale Jr. Is it his birthday?

It is. 48, I think. Should I say it again? What are you going to say, Freddie? I love that guy. Who do you have more, him or Denny? Danny pays me more. Brady's a whore.

In St. Louis? That's not nice. Speaking of that. He sells himself to the highest bidder. That's a whore. Did you know that John Holmes almost won the truck race at Taylor League? You know that was on purpose? No, there's no way.

Oh, that was 100% on it. That was premeditated. I'm going to tell you all something. We have fun doing this. Weekend and week out. I think that was the coolest part about it. We get to the Charlotte Motor Speedway deal and they're asking all these serious questions. And I'm like, I don't want to be serious.

I want to talk about something fun. Thank you to them. Thank you to Jose. Thank you to Monica. They were awesome. But yeah, let us, we need to have more fun. Jose is awesome. He's spicy.

Monica's a sweetheart. I found it. Miss Congeniali and Miss America, right? Was she? She won Miss Congeniali and one of the Miss America pageants. I don't know if it's USA or America or what. Yeah. I think he's right.

I found a pepper sticker in my pocket after that deal. Did Jose give us pepper stickers? Yeah, he gave us pepper stickers. Oh, I got one. Were you there? I was there, but I don't remember getting a sticker that I found it in my pocket the next day. Yeah. All right.

Jason tried Apple Moonshine. Yeah. Yeah. What'd you think? I definitely can't drink a lot of that because I will throw off. He didn't like it as much as Ben liked it. He'd blow a motor. Bartender Ben was enjoying the, he was enjoying the, uh,

maybe that's why he's got that shitty sun tank going on. Look at that sunburn, man. Ben has to get in our picture this week because he's got to show off this beautiful. You got to pull your hair up and get in the picture. Sunburn. I can't even turn around and look at it. He almost should win one idiot. What the hell kind of hat did you have on?

it looks like he had on a bandana that's what it looks like a pull your hair back so much like that one mark All right Head it to Vegas. What? There's no fun to have

How much money are you taking to Vegas, TJ? I'm not gambling. Why? He's not going to leave his room. Probably right. Jason, you come to Vegas again? I'd like to. I'm not sure Mike Davis wants to send us back.

You're not going this week? Unfortunately not. Well, the good news is I tried to kill Jason the last time. Mike Davis and I had a meeting last week about our DBC, DJD, Dirtymo Media suites for next year. And I think Vegas is going to be pretty high up on the most do list. So you'll definitely.

I'll have to come back. You'll have to come back. Yeah. Yeah. And I won't be a fan too. You were not good in the suite. Physically and sweet mentally still at the Cosmo. I was going to say maybe you can get down the other end of town.

What's some of them ones like the other end? Like Fremont Street. Like there, billions. You can afford more stuff that way. You don't have to run with the high rollers of the Cosmo all the time. So. But no, listen,

this race. High rollers, he didn't pay for anything. I paid for everything. That's the way to do it. Thank you, Drew Herring. Drew didn't know he was paying for it.

What's the shoot show that you always go to? The ridehouse is? Yeah. Spirimate right out. So can, uh... What? No,

we got too drunk. Casey, are you going to Vegas? I will not be in Vegas. No. I plan on being in Miami going there very early. So Vegas, do we expect the same tire issues that we had another mile and a half tracks? I would hope not, but we'll never know.

I think we had a couple tire issues in Vegas earlier this year, but I think those have been fixed because I think a lot of those were, a lot of those were self-inflicted. And I think they're still self-inflicted. I mean, Texas is a weird deal because of two different corners. Texas was, I think, an outlier, but I think you're going to see some, and like we talked about last week. These guys, if I tell you that I can go to two-tenths fashioning you

by running two less pounds of air pressure, I'm going to try it. Like, you know what I mean? That's their job. There's a lot of people in a garage who want us to have more practice on what we have. And it's so that they have an opportunity to run enough laps to see

if these kind of problems are going to come about. But I'm telling you as fans, the more practice you see, The less exciting, the less exciting these races are going to be. So while you have these people, and listen, I understand why they want it. Drivers want it, teams want it. But you're not going to know some of these underlying issues if we have an hour and a half of practice. When you start the weekend, you have a guy that's here and a guy that's here.

The longer you practice, the tighter that window gets. Absolutely. And the tighter the window gets, the more we're all going to same speed. That's called parity. And parity in racing sucks. when you're racing for air like this. We talked about, we're talking about Martinsville. We talked about Martinsville test.

All they did with that Martinsville test was get us faster and get us all. And we shrunk that box of, if there was a 4-10th difference between the field, now it's a 2-10 difference and we're not going to be able to pass. That's not good because you have to be able to stop to make the corner to create passing.

And if you're not doing that, you're not going to see any passing. Unless somebody's supposed to be out of the way. I'd take it this weekend at Vegas. but no man it's uh... Vegas is one of my favorite places to go for a lot of reasons and and I love the air show right behind the racetrack. It's an air show all weekend. Air show,

I mean that the Air Force base, Nellis is right there and man it's it's awesome. I actually thought fighter pilots. How much money do you think fighter pilots make? Not enough, I bet. Yeah, probably not enough. I bet they do well. Jason's really good at guessing how much money people make.

Jason, how much money you think fighter pilots should make? Uh, $2,000. A day? a minute they should make $2,000 a minute probably average is like $86,000 A year? A year

to be a fighter pilot That Could you imagine Can you imagine putting Freddie in a blue angel Just to make sure I'm not way off But I googled it me and Steve Barkdall We're talking about a few weeks ago And I was like man how much money you think those guys make

And I honestly thought A couple hundred wouldn't you think so? I would have thought at least 200,000 I hope they at least get some extra incentives So T.J. Majors makes more money to watch a race car go around in circles than these guys make to be fighter pilots. You make more money than 86-th? Yeah, but they ride like motorcycles and chicks and stuff. If he's not, I'm going to choke him.

I need that deal. You get it? Yeah, it's. It's 86,000. It doesn't say exactly that. This is average. But that's a low average. So anyway, love Vegas.

I love Melas. I love it. I like to put Freddy in a blue angels or something like that. I could get in a suit. They've asked me twice to go up. They're not the Blue Angels and Thunderbirds. Either one. I'm not.

I'm out. You're going to throw up. I mean, I throw up on a regular basis. I don't care if I throw up. I think I'd die from a heart attack. I see them guys do that vertical thing they do and then they turn it. I didn't like it.

Then they let the jet fall down backwards like it's going to hit the earth and crash. Oh, no thanks. I'm sitting there watching having a panic attack. I didn't like it when. If my fat ass was in there, I would have a heart attack. Talladega, we took off in a hurricane. And like, I don't know about your flights. We went vertical.

Straight up. Well, I mean, we went just vertical as I've ever been. It felt like, I'm sure we were nowhere near vertical. But like, I didn't like that. Yeah, we took off and I was like, oh, what are we doing here? Like, easy, boy, he's got to stick up there. I'm out. But anyway, Jason, thanks for being patient with us today.

Appreciate all the hard work you do. We got a positive attitude that you brought to the show today. You're definitely the all-star MVP. No, Tyler is for calling in. Yeah. Okay. And everybody that calls Tyler Reddick. Jason Shultz

in a weekend. That's pretty awesome. That's bad. That's almost worse than T.J. Sucks. Everybody call Tyler Jason. That'd be amazing. The rest of the year.

The rest of the year, when you see Tyler Reddick say, hey, Jason Schultz, and he will be real mad. He's the perfect candidate for that. And he won't get mad. He'll love it. But like,

it'll piss him off. I know it'll piss him off a little bit. Eventually it'll piss him off. But Tyler's a great guy. I tried to get tired of come to Big Alas last night and he was babysitting. I told somebody the other week. Like if I were getting into NASCAR and I didn't know anything about it and I had to pick a

favorite driver, Tyler would be on my list of guys to consider for a lot of reasons. I do have a question about Big Al's. Is John okay today? How's John? I haven't seen John. He went home with Doug. I think. John's not home. So I don't know where John's home. John. Did you bring that device that y'all were doing tobacco? The snuff cannon? We're supposed to go in the stuff. It was supposed to be. God, that's the name. That was supposed to be for the studio. Snuff cannon. That was a snuff cannon. Did you not see this video?

I saw the videos. I was trying to figure out what you were doing. They were doing. It was tobacco. On the count of three and you launched tobacco up your nose apparently. Why? It was like, um, it was very mental based. Like it was, it was, it opened up your, uh, sinuses.

I'll give you that. It was. So next time you're stuffed up, are you going to, I'll do the snuff cannon. Next time I got a cold. I'm going straight to the snow cannon. All right. I don't know where. Shout out,

but I will give a shout out to them guys. David, David and Spencer. I don't know, it's not Spencer, Stuart. David, David and Stuart from South Africa.

They flew over here from South Africa. 25 hours flights. Two, two, a nine hour leg and a 14, 15 hour leg, whatever was. They came to South Africa. David comes up.

David, I forget his last name now. I'm going to butcher it. But they come out, he's come over six, seven, he does a tour. But anybody that comes,

25 hours to do a race. We had three countries represented at our Q&A. We had Sweden represented. They were awesome. We had English women represented. The English woman. And we had South Africa represented. The English woman told me she had a headache Sunday morning because she was drunk.

We joke about worldwide, but we legitimately don't know. World famous. Shout out to the people that were on the broadcast over, like, in the grandstands. There were quite a few dirty-d-mo media shirts. It was awesome to see. Very cool. Excellent. We love you guys.

And I hope I win money in Vegas. Freddie, how much money are you taking to Vegas? None. I'm actually going to go gamble a little bit for KJ. I'm going to go gamble for KJ. My gambling is not gone well. The Wheel of Fortune slot.

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