Door Bumper Clear - 275 - Martinsville & Jeff Gluck: Ross Chastain Floored It!

Episode Date: November 1, 2022

Door Bumper Clear is back from a wild weekend at Martinsville Speedway to recap the Round of 8 cutoff race. Brett Griffin, T.J. Majors, and Freddie Kraft are joined by motorsports writer for The Athletic and recurring guest, Jeff Gluck. The table starts by discussing T.J. and Brad Keselowski being disqualified, Gluck’s trip to the COTA F1 race, and Big Al’s shenanigans. Spot On, Spot Off starts with Chase Briscoe’s decision to stay out during the final caution and inherit the lead in Sunday’s Cup race. The guys talk about why other drivers below the cutoff line did not attempt the same move and how he almost pulled it off.Ross Chastain’s Hail Mary move ridding the wall gained him enough positions to make the Championship 4. They explain how shocked they were to see him make the move, debate whether he prepared for it, and discuss if NASCAR should rewrite the rules to prevent it. Denny Hamlin was eliminated from title contention by Chastain after a season of run-ins. Will Denny interfere with Ross’s championship hopes and get his revenge? Hear what the table has to say. Ty Gibbs punted teammate Brandon Jones into Turn 1 to win the Xfinity Series race on Saturday. The guys break down why he went too far and if Brandon Jones will retaliate in the championship race. Plus, hear their reaction to the “Thank You Grandpa” chants and Gibbs comparing himself to Jesus.Austin Hill punched Myatt Snider after the Xfinity Series race at Martinsville. Hear about what went down and why nobody will be messing with Austin Hill anytime soon.NASCAR released crash test footage of the proposed rear changes to the Next Gen car. Gluck explains why the changes won’t make the car safer than the Gen 6 car and they discuss Tyler Reddick retiring from the race early due to a potential concussion. Plus, hear from OrthoCarolina physical therapist Ken Breath about working with concussions in motorsports and how NASCAR is testing for them.In Reaction Theatre, fans call in about Ty Gibbs racing against three JR Motorsports cars and comparing himself to Jesus, Ross Chastain’s last-lap move, and two new songs. Finally, everyone gives their championship picks for all three series and discusses a potential tiebreaker for DBC picks.  Thank you to our presenting sponsor Offerpad and partners Xfinity and RacingUSA.com for making this show possible. Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Door bumper If I want it, you know what's mine Don't try to I'm eating that crooks time you'll never Hey what's up everybody This is Brett Griffin You're listening to Door Bumper Clear presented by Offerpad

We've got a hell of a lot to talk about this week after Martinsville We've also got my buddy on here Jeff Gluck We're going to cover Ross Chastain's I-racing game move Denny Hamlin missing the championship four Maya Snyder getting knocked the fuck out Ty Gibbs wrecking his teammate to win

championship predictions and a hell of a lot more. Let's go. Nobody's listening, but I don't care. I'm on an episode of Door Bumper Clear. Hey, everybody. I'm T.J. Major's spot of the Six Cup car, had the 6A Xfinity super pumped today for our special guest. Not the two idiots over here, but the guy next to me, Jeff Gluck. He changed the whole intro of the show for the first time in 700 shows. It's a special show. Gluck, you're on. I feel pretty special.

I mean, I think this is appearance number three. It is. Where am I in the record? That's probably number one. You're number one. You're number one. He won. You were tied with,

I think Redick has been on twice. Redick's been on twice. You just broke the tie. Hasn't Haley been on more than once? No. She's been on twice. Twice she hosted for Casey. When you host it doesn't count.

That doesn't care. Oh, I see. Okay. Because you don't, you're not supposed to give your opinions when you host. I'll be right back. I'll be right back. Morgan just left. I'm going to go check my car.

Do you know that story? No. Oh, come on, T.J. She smoked Denny Hamill's Lamborghini. We're going to let that cat out of the bag. Can I do this all show? Is that? No.

No. Oh, when Denny, that was the insurance claim? She smoked his Lamborghini. She left like she did right now. Do you have a Lamborghini? I don't either. Rental car. Yeah.

I don't either. But could you imagine getting your Lamborghini hit in a parking lot? well I mean it depends how many other cars I'd have I mean it probably didn't really I think it's his only car so the best part about it is what we were told was it back quarter panel isn't just like that little piece it's like the whole just basically the side of the car

yeah the whole bumper a whole wraps around the side it's a really cheap insurance claim Brett Griffin spotter collard racing uh I went to big house last night I pulled a Freddy is all I'm going to say I think I'm single with no kids all of a sudden

Hi, Freddie Craft Spotted for Bubba Wallace Landon Castle this weekend and for the first time in the history of the world Brett stayed at the bar later than I did last night which was real dumb

I'm changing my wooden idiot as we speak I'm not Brett walks in and Freddie instantly goes you know you messed up when you were there with me and then Brett goes

I was So that's a sure sign of what's to come today. Hey guys, Casey Boat here. You're a marketing professional. And I don't know. I think this should be a pretty short show today. I don't know about you guys. Jason, what do you think?

Hey, Jason Sheltz, DBC producer. I was also at Big Alas last night. He was. How much money did I hand you? Because when I'm drunk, I'm rich. Was it you that way? Oh, I forgot we paid Jason last night. When I'm drunk, I'm rich.

They just felt so bad about cursing all these years. They're just like, you gave him money. I know I gave him $300. So he gave you, he gave Jason your money. I gave him a hundred and he gave Jason 300. I don't know what happened. Are you kidding me? No.

So, Jeff, if you swear you owe me $100. Casey's mad right now. I was really borderline of going to Big Al's and I didn't. And I'm really glad now that I didn't because not only would I be feeling ill, but, you know, I would have lost money. Or you would have money from Brett. That's true. You could have been the other way. That's true.

I don't think there's any left. Well. Oh, whoa. So anyway, Martinsville, anything happen? There's watermelons all over our table for some reason. What time did you leave the racetrack? I'm curious. I don't know.

I can't remember. You guys texted me. I texted you at 930. You said you were like almost 9.45. You were still there. Yeah. Well, then I had to go to sheets because, you know, you're hungry. Yeah.

That's like a Martin'sville. Like, if you go to the toilet guys, we all just sat in line for 45 minutes waiting on food. Yeah. You have to go. It's like a Martinsville tradition. You're hungry. You get out of the track. There's really nothing around.

There's that sheets that's close there. And everybody's heading back toward Charlotte anyway. But the food is not like the fastest service ever. I mean, I paid $3 for pizza. So I was not expecting much. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we are so thrilled to have you on, especially after a race like yesterday.

And I just have to know, we'll start with you first. What do you think the biggest storyline was of the day? Well, I mean. Or weekend, really. I was really, I was like, okay, well, we're screwed because no matter what happens in the cup race, we're just going to spend the entire show talking about Ty Gibbs. And I was like, in the first half of the cup race, I'm like, oh, this is just, I mean, but then Ross's, I mean, Ross's move is not only going to be like the stuff.

That might be like the thing that gets most remember from the entire season or longer. I mean, like, maybe ever. The most legendary thing. That was like the single most exciting thing I think I've ever seen at a race track. It was unbelievable. I woke up this morning still just like buzzing over it. Like it's just absolutely. We had the pass in the grass.

What do you call this? Who knew he didn't even have to do it? I know. He was going to be in. Thanks to you. Was he? Thanks to you getting disqualified. Oh yeah.

Cheater. And then I see. So Kit tells us that at sheets. We're sitting in line and he tells us that. And then driving home and I see the two haulers stuck on the side of the road. So I'm really sorry to brag his little. at the moment. He's probably... The two hauler? He don't drive to two anymore. The two haulers, both of them. Both of them? They were either helping each other out. I don't know, but rough night.

I don't drive the truck. You should. I was not there with the truck. You should be all. You'd make a good hauler drive, right? What was the DQ for? Too light. Too light. Oh, big time cheap. Which is not surprising. He probably knocked half to off his car when he ran in everybody for the last five laps of the race. What are we got hitting everybody? The only person we ran into was that we ran Blaney made you his. Which time? Which time? He just, I was like,

Bha, who's Brad Kelisowski? He's the f*** out of my life. He hit us one time and it crossed Brad up really bad. And I was like, nope, that's the 12. And he kind of,

he started passing us. But then he lived and he was like, maybe I shouldn't complete this pass. It's not. I don't want to do that. And then he, then we got, then he started racing us.

So then Brad's piss. So he starts chopping him and it got pretty. Then we got back in front of him. But then he hit us again, a little later on. Yeah. That was good. That's fun.

There was a lot of beating. I personally thought the best way to start this race was put everybody on 100 lap tires. Once we had 100 laps on our tires, like it was a really good show. Yeah. The first 80 laps, oh my God, awful. Useless. Yeah. I mean, even, I mean, Martinsville is a fun place.

Even when it's hard to pass because it's still hard to get away from each other. You see which guys are going to be aggressive enough to make a pass. And now you kind of have to, you kind of have to, um, bump somebody to get them out of the way. And we saw that the 41 moved the 20 up there one time. Some guys were moving each other up the track, which is short track racing, in my opinion, that's what you got to do. But man, at the end, it turns into, you don't,

your brake pedal was the guy in front of you, and that's what you use. So we went down into one, and we actually were getting ready to take a shot at the lead on Briscoe, and he brake checked us off of two, and Brad had to stab the brakes real quick, and we got sideways, And that's when Bell got around us and we were racing Larson.

Well, we ended up clearing Larson, we got out on that corner. We're actually inside Bell and Larson just blast us and knocks us up into Bell. And then we beat him off the corner and we go to the corner. He does the same thing again. It's like, can we not just get going and race a little bit here? Jason, we can hear your paper crackling. Sorry, I'll let it out. It was loud too.

But yeah, and to Martinsville is, it don't seem to matter what series it is. It's usually pretty exciting. Yeah, you could say that about Saturday, I guess. Saturday was pretty exciting. I was driving home. I didn't see any of it. I'm sure we'll talk about it. Don't you worry.

We have that one covered. What else happened? How was your race, Brett? Which one? Yesterday. He doesn't remember. We weren't very fast. Oh, yeah.

Neither was the 18. That was Brett's goal all day. My goal, I was like, all right, man. Our goal here is to pass the 18 again before the stage is. Ten hours are going to go by? We passed a year. Did anybody hear what was wrong in the beginning? Did anybody hear what was wrong in the beginning?

But he hit something. His right side was tore off. I think he just... His right front was corded. I mean, like... I think he just sucked in the beginning. I don't know. That thing was way off.

Whatever they fixed, they made it way better because he could actually hang on, but he didn't want to be in the middle of everything. I think he only, like, he lost five laps pretty early and then he only lost one more lap. What was your one tweet? Denny Hamlin just put Cowbush five laps down or something like that. Yeah.

Yeah, it was crazy. In stage one, right? I mean, yeah. He was all over the place. He had his hands full. driving, I think. Could you, you see it? Oh, it was bad.

Yeah. And I'm, I almost, there was part of me that said he's just going to. I think they should fire him. Yeah, probably. Somebody texted me, one of my friends texted me and said, if every car was driving like Kyle Bush, this Martinsville race would be like a really good race. He was like drifting all the way around the track. I've seen somebody, somebody big outs last night.

They gave Kyle Bush one of them old gaunt brother, motorsports cars. They're old toy, that 90-16. He did have a. He was driving the hell out of it. He was like, it was wicked, man. It was really bad looking. Could you imagine what was going on his brain? Because you, I don't.

Herschman had a good weekend. I mean, he could spot up for Ty on Saturday and had Kyle on Sunday. Well, Sunday was probably a calm day. I've got a question for Jeff. You went to F1 last weekend in Austin and then Martin'sville this weekend. I'm just curious what the differences are between the two events. I don't know if that's an accurate question. We might have all show.

How were the vibes? What were the vibes like? Uh, you know, it was, well, I mean, the thing is, um, you, you did have enthusiasm at both areas, right? I mean, the Martinsville race sold out for the first time since 2006. I mean, yeah, they took seats out, but still, I mean, to have that sellout vibe, it reminded me because, I mean, the first Martinsville out race I went to was an 04. Um, and it kind of brought back that feel a little bit for me, like just the amount of people. And, um, you know, with everybody so into it there and so on top of the track, like that vibe was awesome. And the same for F1. I mean, it was just,

just, you know, 150,000 people on race day or whatever there for awesome. But they were just so into it. And like every pass, they're getting super excited. You know, NASCAR, you know, the cup race for a lot of it, especially the first half, there wasn't a lot to get excited about. But by the end with the chastain thing, I mean, that whole place was like electric. Like the whole, it was just buzzing. Like, they show his face on the scoreboard and everything. It was like, holy cow, this is, it just, it felt big. And so I think both of them, you know, despite their size difference. and the event field difference felt big. But I was just, I mean, that was pretty cool back-to-back thing to be able to go to it.

I want to go to a Formula One race. But I mean, they get one race a year. I want to go to the one in Monaco. Yeah. But you won't be able to see much. Low expectations. Yeah. But like.

You would drown in Monaco. Yeah. Yeah. They would be like Kimmy on that boat that one time he wrecked out early. Remember see that video? I look like the guy from weekend at Bernie. He's on a bag of one of them guys. He was driving by a lot of him.

100%. What about differences in activation, like when you were there as far as sponsors, you know, how things are managed? Yeah, I mean, well, the whole F1 thing, they're so used to putting on like an event feel. I mean, you know, they had like a Green Day concert there. They had an Ed Shearron concert there. And those are like included it with your ticket. Some of your favorites? I went to Green Day.

I mean, I did not go to Ed Shear and. It's a big one. No offense, Ed. No, Ms. Same. I don't know who, yeah. But no, like Green Day. I mean, I had never seen them before.

I was like, three concert? Okay. Were they rocking out? Dude, they were awesome. There had to be like 50,000 people at the concert too. Damn. But you can sing a Green Day. You know, like, you could name five of their songs right away.

Name five. Yeah. Well, I can tell you the dokey. Yeah, when I come around. When I come around. Yeah, yeah, that song. So what's the podcast rules for music? You can play like five of their songs where you can't sing them?

You know at least five of their songs. Can we have a sing along? Yeah. I mean, let's go for it right now. No, Brett don't end up clogging. No, I'm not clogging today. Yeah, but I mean, you know, the, the thing about F1 is right now. Brady's playing with his watermong balls.

There's money flowing through that place like crazy, just insane amounts of money. Big money. You walk through and you're just like, I mean, when you're walking through the paddock and you're like, oh, there's Tim Cook, the CEO of Apple. Like, he's walking around, you know. Holy cow. You're like, okay, well, this is a, they have some corporate people here. That's kind of a big deal, you know. I seen you tweet that Tim Cook.

And I was like, holy, Tim Cook's here. I thought he was at our race. And I'm like, no, Gluck is not here. I told me, I saw your tweet about Ed Shear and I was like, Ed, Ed did the NASCAR race? Like, what? So, what are some key learnings you think NASCAR should maybe take from that? Well, I mean, you know, it's, I mean, it's not like NASCAR doesn't want a bunch of different manufacturers and companies and all that stuff in there. I think the biggest thing that I feel from F1 right now that I would like to see is their drivers have a lot of buy-in to sell their personnel.

Like they're all basically, you know, internationally famous stars right now, thanks to Netflix. They're almost like actors, right? Connor Daly on Dirtymo Media talks all the time about how, you know, it's like they become the most famous people in the world, essentially. But I think they figured out, okay, well, a lot of this is our personality. So they're willing to do sort of like the silly things, like the fun, social content, the stuff that brings out laughs and creativity and unique stuff. And they do like a lot of media, like a lot.

And, you know, the NASCAR drivers don't. Yeah. They really don't. Like we go a lot of weekends where we don't talk to. I mean, you know, like right now, Kyle Bush being out of the playoffs, for instance, right? Like he's not required to do media anymore once he's been eliminated. So we haven't talked to him for weeks. I mean, he was nice enough to do like a 12 questions.

But if he's not required by NASCAR to do anything. So we miss that. You know, we miss talking to Kyle or Harvick once Harvick got eliminated. I mean, he was on a roll for a while there. to hear more what he has to say. So stuff like that. Is it required or do they do it? Somebody told them to shut up.

Well, that, that's part of it. Maybe those two specific. Are somebody also told us? Yes, yes. Somebody also told the spotters to shut up. Yeah. Yeah, they told the drivers to shut up on Saturday and they told us spotters to shut up on Sunday. I heard that not from you guys.

Really? Another spotter told me that. Yeah. Is it TJ? No, it wasn't. No, nobody on the show. What do you think I've seen today? And I don't know, I guess this is the,

Mexican Grand Prix that they're doing now. I've seen some of the drivers complaining about, seem like fans, like fans in the paddock. Like, are they, did you notice that at what you Austin? It's, it is a little bit extreme. Like, I mean, because they, they sort of treat them like rock stars or whatever, like there's people like screaming and running after them and, and like flipping out like they're the Beatles or something, like Lewis Hamilton comes out. So I could see where they might want to back that down a little bit. But at the same time, I mean, it's part of the popularity. I mean, we all see Dale Jr. for years go through the garage and that horde of people just goes around him. I mean, I could walk in there with him and I'd just go, I just walk 30 feet away purposely because you were going to get knocked over.

And if you were to watch him come in, I can tell you some stories about some fans that will, I mean. Yeah. I think the F1 guys haven't been used to that because this is, I mean, they've been popular around the world, but this is pretty recent for them like with the Netflix growth. Yeah. So two, two, three years. Yeah. So now they're suddenly like, whoa, this is a lot. The show actually like opened the eyes of people like that didn't know anything about Formula One what it's like to be involved in. They did a good job with that show. I thought so. But I do think, you know, on the NASCAR side, as far as the spot for essentially the championship, the battle right now, you can think of more storylines on the NASCAR side in Formula One. Oh yeah. I mean, for the one, I mean, their championship's been decided for three weeks already, you know? And what are you even watching for essentially, right? Like you're it's like, okay, well, this has been over for a while. And, and you, and you. You're, it's like, okay, well, this has been over for a while. And, and you. And you. And you. And you. And you. You saw that it was going to be over for months. You knew who was going to win the title. So, I mean, I've gone back and forth on NASCAR playoffs in general, but, I mean, after yesterday, like, how can you be anti-playoffs?

You guys are all friends in the NASCAR media world. How about F1? Was it friendly? There's so many international, it seems like there's clicks. Like the British journalists kind of stick together. And then you'd have like a group of like the Japanese journalists. I can't speak Japanese. You didn't hang out of the Japanese journalist?

I wasn't invited. I mean, the British writers are very nice to be. Brett, I can imagine you in the media center out of the Formula One night. I can imagine Brett hanging out with the Japanese guys. Like, hey. Fireballs! They all go out and have fun in every city. So, I mean, they're being, you know.

Good day, Jeff. You on holiday. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah. The thing that I'll tell you what, like, not to talk in this entire show about F1, but like we talk about everything being bigger in F1. How about the fines?

Let's, let's dole out a $7 million fine. dollar fine to somebody in NASCAR and see how well that goes. And they also said that was too, two weak. Two week. Yeah. But like that was not enough punishment. That was terrible. That doesn't deter anybody from doing anything. Seven million. Oh boy. Sorry I didn't mean to derail a show. No, this is exactly what we want to cover off. Before we get rolling, I had my, I seen my buddy, Jacob Lilly yesterday reached out to me and he wanted to give DBC Patches in the Virginia National Guard. he just got back from Africa. Operation Enduring Freedom, apparently.

And he wanted to give us his unit patch and his coin. So here they are. We will find a home for them here in the studio. Jacob, thank you for your service, as always. You know how you know Jason went to Big Alas? What? There's no point standings. The reset.

It's over. It's over. I know, but there's no like how many points Denny was out. Like, there's nothing. Why does it matter? Yeah. Brett, look who's talking. Nothing.

says the guy who can't even remember I told you last night I'm like this may not be as well prepared he said he also texted us last night be sure to wear your Halloween costume and I just want someone dressed up as Jesus but

Jason you said you were coming at Tyler Reddick and I'm not seeing. Jason should have came as Jesus Jason would have made a good Jesus He would have been. We could have asked the guy at the track if we could borrow his costume We should have just brought him

Yeah with his sign How long does it take to come up with Jesus outfit? I don't know I never tried to Yeah, that's what I was going. Was that already that guy's costume and it just worked out? I think that is a product of Amazon and quick delivery. The funniest picture I saw, obviously we saw 100. I seen Jordan had a picture of him walking out of it road.

Somebody sent us a picture of him walking up in road. I saw one of the best pictures was he's standing by the 23 car on Sunday with his arms up. I want to know, like, he, I mean, did he get a hot pass like under Jesus? or did he get it under his real name? Jesus does anything. Or how did he get a hot pass? Why doesn't need a hot pass? That's true.

They said when he was out by the car. Did he actually walk? NASCAR officials said, excuse me, Mr. Christ, can you please back out? Ice right there. That's pretty funny. That's pretty good. That is good.

Gosh, that's really funny. Thanks to that guy for dressing out. And NASCAR playing along with it. That's pretty good. F-1's got Tim Cook. We got Jesus. Yeah, who wins. Game over. All right, well, we have tons to talk about on spot on spot off.

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When I asked what you heard about Offerpad, select an ass car option so they know we sent you. Spot on, spot off. It goes like this. Spot on means you agree. I'm spot on. Are you joking me? He's lost his mind.

Oh, and by the way, no one ever seems to agree. And then spot off means you disagree. Spot off. Here we fucking go. This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. But if you're T. Um, uh, there's only one correct answer. I don't know.

It's time for spot on, spot off. First topic, Chase Briscoe is the only driver below the playoff cutoff line to stay out during the final caution. TJ. Spot on. That was his shot at making the chase or chase making the final four. He's been doing this all year. He's been doing this all year. He's been doing this at times.

He's been terrible. He was actually fast this weekend, but had a pit road penalty, got lapped, got the lucky dog. And this was his home run. This was his shot at making it and winning the race. And he got really close. So there with about 10 to go, I was like, Chase Briscoe might win this race. And, you know, that was, he's been doing this stuff all year. So it doesn't surprise me that they did that.

Great call by them to get the lap back and make a call to put themselves. to have a chance. So spot off. I'm spot off. What an idiot. Why would he go? Why would you try that? Who the hell put this topic in there?

How are we supposed to spot off this? Yeah. This will be a unanimous. I'm spot off, bro. I want to lose. Are you surprised that Balani and them didn't try that or Byron too? It's like you figured that was her shot. It was just hell merry.

And it looked like, to TJ's point, I almost thought it was going to work because his teammate was on the front row. The biggest thing I thought was going to make it work is Cole Custer got clear getting into three and he took it. And then Chase got a little bit of a gap. But holy cow, the bulldozers came with new tires. We had rights. The six being one of them.

And the 20, obviously, man, like we've talked about game seven moments in the sport. That's the best game seven moment in the last 20 laps we've ever seen. Poor Christopher Bell takes four tires, goes up there and wins the race and nobody gives because of what Ross Chats team did. I mean, I can think of a few people who gave it while we were there. Who? Yeah. Who was talking about Christopher Bell, the end of that race?

Well, I can say that victory was a lot more exciting. What were you doing? Like clapping? I could say that victory thing was a lot more exciting than the one on Saturday. Spot on and spot off, Casey. Christopher Bell wins the race. I mean, I called it last week and you guys said I was an idiot. That is not what I asked you.

Just saying. Anyways, Jeff, what do you think? Well, I mean, if he had not gotten that pit, what was it, removing equipment. Yeah. Fuel can. You know, he was running top five until then. And then you're like, well, now he's going to be at the back, he's screwed.

So the fact that they got up there and even had a chance after that, you know, basically thanks to the strategy, obviously. But I was like, you know, some of the scanners were lighting up after that. And people were like, really? Those guys stayed out. Like, that's not going to work at all. I mean, I think that that was what I thought. I was like, these guys are going to run over.

This might cause a wreck. So the fact that it worked that well for that long, I was like, holy crap, is this going to, like this. they might have this. Yeah, I mean, that was the only thing they could do, I guess, in that situation. But I would have liked to see what happened, what would have happened had he not got that penalty? Like, could he may have maybe have gotten up there based on how the race played out? I don't know. Yeah, it was.

The race got good on all tires. That like you said earlier that was. It was 75. For us, it was 70 laps. We would ride, we started 24th or 25th, I think, or 22nd, I don't remember. And we would ride in 22nd for. 70 laps. And then we from lap 70 to lap 130 or whatever the stages were, we drove to 15th. Then we ran next three start. We rode in 15th for 75 laps. And then we drove to 10th. And then we drove into

sixth. You know, like it was just, you just had to sit there and wait and wait and wait. Okay, now we can go. And, you know, that was just the testament of the tire, which I think was better than the first race. We saw more passing this race. Tire and air too. Yeah. We saw more passing. I thought this race than the first race. So they're going in the right direction. We just need to go further. Danny drove through the field in the beginning. I mean, he drove from wherever, drove up to the front. Yeah, to a second. Yeah.

So, I mean, you can't really say you can't pass because then he drove to the front in the first stage. And last week, you guys said he couldn't pass. After testing, you did, Martinsville. It was the same. It was exactly like I said. Like, it was 80 laps you couldn't pass. The first stage was a joke. Yeah.

I mean, you couldn't do anything. I mean, you could after 80 laps. And luckily, we ran, if we didn't have, if we had cautions, the race would have been terrible. Luckily, we had 130 lap runs. So does the car, does the car suck or does it get yourself? I think it's a combination of both. My biggest issue is still the shifting because I can see guys make mistakes on entry and it's like they just drop a gear and take back off and they don't have any

repercussions of getting into hot or getting free on entry or missing the corner. It's just like, okay, you know, you can miss the whole corner and just get your point and drop a gear and take off. And it's like, okay, well, how the hell am I supposed to pass that, you know? And then the tire just not wearing because we see what happens when the tire wears after 80 laps. it's a pretty good race, but it's just, you know, we just need that tire to wear faster. Do they not look super fast in the corner? It's crazy.

Oh, they're hauling ass. Like just when they... It's like, it's like, seriously, when they go off into three, you're like, he's not going to make that corner. Then he just rally. Okay. Well, that's a perfect segue for this next topic. Jeff, this one's for you.

Ross Chastain's Hail Mary move on in the final corners to make up enough positions to make the championship for spot on, spot off. I mean, this is like, P1 on any spot on ever. Like, I mean, this is like the biggest spot on you could possibly do. I mean, I just, I'm still blown away that this happened. I mean, when you think about like, this is what, 75 years of NASCAR next year and like nobody ever has done something like this and made it work.

And made it work. They've tried. Right, right. Yeah. But I mean, that to think, and when you watch, when you watch the video that synced up to his audio. And it's like literally, he's coming out of two and they're like, he's like, they're like, two spots. He's like, oh, like the slide. I need two. He's like, yeah, he just gasses it up, grabs a gear and just completely sends it like in that much of a split second.

And, you know, he said like, I never tried this on the simulator. I never, this was never pre-planned. You know, it wasn't in his head like, okay, if I get in this situation coming into this race, this is going to be my move. He just did it. And it worked. And like, Like, I mean, no matter how many times you watch the video, and no matter from what angle, it's just like, you just still can't believe it. It's us, I am dying to know, honestly, like your guy's view from the roof on that

because unfortunately, I was in the media center by then, so I was just watching on TV. So I saw that clip of like that everybody else saw where they're crossing the line and all of a sudden he just shoots in. You're like, wait, is that chastain? And then I heard the scanners light up of like other drivers going, Oh my gosh, do you guys see that?

He was probably 15 car lengths behind us probably getting down the back, coming down the back stretch. And to this moment, I have no idea what I said to Bubba because I was dumbfounded. Like he was just,

all of a sudden, like I'm just in a normal corner. We're like, we're in the middle of three and four. And he comes flying into my peripheral vision. And I'm like, I said, they're wrecking out back.

Wait, they're not wrecking. Watch the one on top I don't even know I could I have to go back and listen to know what I said But I was dumbfounded I was like Oh my God

Look at this I think I just started hollering Because he almost got to us Yeah He hit you Yeah and straight We were already straight at that point But I was I was calling him outside

Because I'm just We're racing Danny And I'm just spotting day Like you know clear about half Clear by whatever And I'm like See this blur This thing

I'm like somebody has hit the wall No he's doing that on purpose So we get like half the other corner I'm like he's going to get there This is going to work And I'm like leave the eye I'm like coming outside coming outside Like and Brad I don't think Brad like because you're just racing one car

Nobody just randomly shows up and makes up 10 car lengths and then is outside And I don't know if like Like it just didn't we were driving off of Denny and I'm thankful because I think Brad comes up No matter what at that point because he's looking at one car Then all of a sudden here comes this flying object like he was hauling ass like it stood out I mean I don't mean

disrespect to people but I thought I was watching a terrorist attack like he went same thing peripheral vision I'm running in the back I'm like holy what he did he's lying they practice it on sim but man I've never seen anything like that ever in any sport

Jeff I saw you tweet his lap time was two seconds faster than any lap that's ever been run? That is an X-Fi more than fast moment of the year. Every year. Oh. Decade. Yeah.

Like this, the most brilliant move that will ever be done in NASCAR, he pulled it off. Jeff, I saw you tweet that drivers have already, you know, gone to NASCAR saying there needs to be moves set in place. Winer.

For this in the future. NASCAR has already said that he was within the bounce of it. What are you thinking? Well, first of all, it didn't even occur to me that this would not be like a cool ass move until like I started hearing the drivers talk about Matt Weaver came up to me on pit road and he's like, oh, yo, did you hear what Larson just said?

You know, because all the drivers start coming over and talking to him. Oh, my God. And so he's like, yeah, he just said it was like embarrassing for the sport and all the stuff. And I was like, oh, I mean, I didn't really think of it that way. Your job is to go fast. Yeah, I mean. Your job is to finish as good as you can finish. Was it an embarrassment?

No, no, no, no. Just a quick question. Who was the last person to try this in a cup race? Kyle Arson. Well, he said he was embarrassed when he did it. He said, I tried it and I was embarrassed. I bet if it worked, he wouldn't have been embarrassed. I was saying.

But I think, you know, there's no way. Now, okay, I will say this. If this becomes the norm, like every Martinsville race, somebody's going to try to do this, or every playoff cutoff race, or you see it at Phoenix Championship race, like people start doing this all the time, and this is like how the end of races go. it's not always going to work out, so you're going to have some, like, total she show,

whatever you guys call it on this podcast. Shisho. Shisho. You know, like, maybe you have to step in then and maybe say, all right, guys. But to do it, I mean, that just was like the best moment in NASCAR. It was great. Dude, they brought it up. So I'm watching, well, you guys are eating your wings last night.

Yeah. I'm watching Sunday night football. The bills are playing. They talk about it like two or three times during the football game. I saw a replay during the game. Yeah, they showed it during the game. Like, during one of the breaks, they were like, yeah, the NASCAR team of Ross Chastain with a big move today. Like, and they showed it like, so that's, I mean, it's like truly viral.

It's like viral moments. Selfishly, since this was the Xfinity 500, I mean, we could not, Exfinity could not have asked for a better move or really better ending to the race to have it be on additional sports coverage. I mean, you want to know how to grow your fan base. That. That. Well, okay. So, so what, what's your balls hang out and do that? What are your guys takes?

I mean, do they at some point have to... They're going to make a rule. If they do, they're stupid. They're going to make a rule. If they do, they're dumb and I thought they were. You have to. You have to. No, you can.

Oh, what do you say? Oh, my throttle hung. I'm sorry, guys. I mean, you tell them to the first and second. What does the rule? What does the rule? I don't know what need to be. Well, Lugano's suggestion was if you...

Oh, Winer. If you hit the wall and gain a position from hitting the wall, it's like basically the reverse of a yellow line rule, right? Here's my problem. Winer. The issue is, I think they're going to make a rule. I don't think they all got outsmarted and they're mad about it. I think that they're going to be normal.

I think that, yeah, you can't, you got to protect these guys from themselves. You can't just have them driving in the offense all the time. What if they gate gave? Yeah. If, I mean, that would have been ugly. If he would a rear, if Bubba would have pulled up in front of him, not knowing he's coming and we were and he rearended Bubba, it would have been lights out. You don't be dumb. You better be tough.

Okay. Listen to yourself this morning. I am. Jesus. I don't know, but here's what I don't want. What are you going to call the rule? Here's what I don't want. Don't be a dumb.

You can't make this a judgment call because then it's going to be a disaster. Every call is a judgment call. It can't be a judgment call. It's got to be black and white. That's the name of the sport. Better be black and white. Are you going to talk over everybody, the whole show? Just you.

Just you. Yeah, you're only allowed to talk over Casey. No one else. All right. Let's mind. Hey, look at it. What are you going to name this rule? I'm not saying that I agree this.

The watermelon roll. I don't know. The watermelon roll. But what's, how can you, if you're NASCAR, first of all, there's not even a rule

against wrecking the leader out of a playoff race. No, apparently not. So why are you going to make a rule for this then? Like, you don't, if they don't want to officiate that,

this is, this, I'm sure in the tower, they're like, this is amazing. Like, because there's a difference in a, I mean,

a guy bumping a guy trying to get the position on him. And I don't think he meant to spend him out. He definitely wrecked him. Oh, my God. But I don't think he intentionally just wanted a back

him into the wall. I think you wanted to shoot him up the track. Okay. Compared to I mean, this could have been bad like Freddie says. I don't want the championship to come down at Phoenix for say whoever's leading goes into three and they're leading by three car lengths and we got a guy that has blast the fence and passes them on the outside. I mean, that it'd be exciting but I don't think it can be the normal.

I don't think it can't. I don't think the sport. You are irising advocates or now not irasing advocates. It's not safe. it's illegal in eye racing by the way yeah you actually get penalized for it they officiate harder than we do if this was if this was you know obviously like you know f1 or indy car or something that

you know well it's sort of like the more pure it wouldn't work but you you wouldn't well that's true but you wouldn't make a rule you don't care about the entertainment as much there but this is NASCAR everything they do is going toward entertainment stuff you just got the most entertaining outcome possible

so now how can they and everybody's loving it so how could you now go and be like, all right, well, you guys can't do that. This is a bat. Like, it's going to get to the point where we're going to three on the last of Martin'sville and every one of us is going to wall ride. Somebody's going to get in somebody and get checked up. Then you got this guy coming through there.

How fast was he going? I mean, and you hit almost a stopped car. If something happens in front of you, like somebody gets checked up. So the yellow line rule, the passing the grass can no longer exist. We can't wall ride. Like, come on guys. Y'all are crazy. I mean, if they make a rule about this, they'll lost their minds.

I think it's like an exceeding track limits type thing. Like if you exceed the normal lane or using something, you know, I know it's not running outside the track, but if you're using... I was going to say, how do you exceed track limits? When you use a wall to make go faster. I mean, that's pretty much exceeding the track limits, in my opinion. I think you almost have to, I mean... He outsmarted everybody and y'all mad about it.

I'm not saying that. I just said it can't be the norm because somebody's going to get hurt. I, you almost like to have to be reactionary, though. Like, you almost have to, might wait. till so, like, if the next time it happens, a big wreck causes it, then maybe NASCAR goes, okay, well, like, we can't do this anymore. I can't believe, if y'all want to make a rule to stop this. Nobody's saying we want to make a rule, Brett.

If he's shut up a second and listen, he thinks there's going to be one. I think there's going to be a rule. They should not. I like this part. That's feisty today. Me too. Hey, so just so you know, um, listen to this. This is pretty incredible.

Uh, Mike Wheeler says 125 mile per hour entering turn three, 200 foot turn radio. is converted to metric divide by 9.8. He's a smart guy. He's a nerd. The one car pulled about 5.2G is the first part of that corner. That's fighter pilot. That's crazy. Oh my gosh.

Did you guys see Bob's interview with Chastain that he posted on his social? That was the only time I've heard it. But Chastain was, he sees his car go by and he's like laughing and he's talking about the move and he says like, yeah, it's kind of scrambled my head a little bit too. I mean, I imagine like with all. all the stuff we've been talking about this car. That's kind of what I was talking about, and they need a rule.

Yeah, I mean, it's, that had to go, blah, blah, I mean, you just didn't say they need a rule.

Well, they're going to make a rule for that reason. Yeah. But yeah. I mean, if I, I wish I would have been like Justin Marks just walked up to Ross and been like,

that was our Phoenix car, man, what the fuck? You know, like, Zoni did. No, I wish you would have been awesome.

Oh, well, continuing on the Martin'sville drama, Denny Hamlin is eliminated from title contention by Ross Chastain after a season of run-ins. Brady. Yeah. Denny's great. Denny is great.

But Denny has one more race to show that he's not all talk because he threatened to take care of this. And I haven't seen it yet unless you want to count that deal of Pocono, which wasn't really retaliatory, I don't think. Listen, Ross put the bumper to him two or three times on that last restart. and Denny had the perfect opportunity to take care of this. Did you see, though, like, Ross didn't want Denny behind him? Like, Ross would be like, hey, but I don't want you behind me. Yeah. He could let him go.

So when he wrecked us, and I'm sure you guys saw him. Oh, we saw it. So we're lining up, and we're like 13th. He's 12th because there were so many cars a lap down, we were able to, they caught. We were stayed on the lead lap there, so we lost five spots maybe. He kept pulling over and, like, letting us go. And they're telling us six in front of the one. And he keeps stopping.

I'm like, what do you want me to do here? He didn't want to start behind us. I'm like, Brad, you got to go. NASCAR's holler and it's like, we got to,

you know, whatever, let him go. So, and that, like, I wanted the spot. And they're trying to put us behind him.

And he's like, not maintaining pace, first of all. He's like letting you go. I don't know if like what they say, though, if you let one go, you got to let them all go.

But if he's not maintaining pace and we pass him, do we get that spot only? I don't know. But we restarted behind him. He was like, him. He, so, yeah, but I mean, like, I still. Smartly.

I mean, yeah, I mean, it's smart on his part because I think, I don't know. I want to say I think Danny would have done something, but I'm still waiting and he hasn't yet. Did you sign your con? No. No. I mean, it might be revoked after this show, but, uh, let's, I don't get it. Like, listen.

I don't know. You had, if he would, if you would have exacted revenge there for all the other times he's done some to this year after. And, and you're, and you knock him back to, if you spin him or knock him up the hill and he's 15th coming out of. backstretch instead of 10th, you're in the playoffs. You're in the final four and he's not. And you didn't take that opportunity and now you're going to watch him race for a championship. So I don't know. We've been saying all year he's going to do something and it still hasn't

happened. He just wants wins. Brett, spot on spot off. I wanted Denny to win a championship this year. And it sucks. Look, we just saw an irration video game, brilliant, dynamic, the best move in NASCAR history to not win a race. I'm sorry. speechless for what Ross did. Like, we could hate on Ross all day long. We could love Ross all day long. At the end of the day, it's the best thing this ever happened to the sport. You want to know how to grow the sport, have people do stuff like that. That is mind-blowing. What do you think about Denny not retaliating at Martinsville? I don't think the Pocono move was a retaliation. I think Denny was racing hard and a clever, you know, smart move on his part to run him up. And if Ross Chastain

wins this championship, oh, did you imagine me of Denny's? Hamlin all winter. So basically all the points he cost. Who's a better driver? Danny Hamlin Ross just a thing. Oh, Danny Hammond. I mean, Ross even said yesterday, he was like marveling at how, you know, Denny had gotten by him.

And then he was like, okay, I'll just stay with him and follow him through. And he's like, Denny absolutely took me to school. Like the way that Denny got those positions and left me in the dust, he, Ross was like floored. I mean. He floored it all right. Yeah. But, you know, I think.

The 100% rule was definitely in a, Yeah, that's for sure. That was a 150% roll right there. Jeff, I want to know if you're spot on, spot off. And I also want to know based off interviews with Denny, you know, his overall reaction, his overall feeling after yesterday. I mean, I guess I'm spot on because I just don't see when the opportunity was going to be there. All playoffs long, I mean, Denny, if you look at his playoffs,

I mean, he has eight top tens in the nine races. Nobody else is even close. He has a six point something average finish, which, ranks probably in the top. I want to say, we're doing this project on the athletic this week. We're ranking all the champions and how they got there and everything. And I think a six point something average finish is one of like the top maybe five or six ever since 2004. Even include like Jimmy's runs and stuff.

I mean, Denny was doing everything you need to do to win a championship. So it didn't make sense that he was going to get into a feud with Ross. And then even yesterday, you know, Denny goes and wins the first two stages. He really launches himself way above the cut line. I mean, unless there's going to be a new winner, he doesn't have to worry about it at all. And then, you know, yeah, he loses the lead, but even on the last lap, he's still plus two to the good.

So when were you going to make, I mean, if he gets into something with Chastain, when he's still in the advantage spot during that race, there's a chance Ross is going to come back, get him. And then it's so self-defeating. So he didn't need to. He didn't need to. And I think what you do if you're Denny,

is you just basically tip your hat to the Ross move at the end and say, well, I mean, he's just, he got us. I mean, I'm sure you could say, man, I wish I would have taken care of this. I mean, you know, it looks like I was big talk, no action. I mean, definitely looks like that, right? Like if he had done something, he'd be in the final four. But it looked like he was just going to beat him straight up on the track and Ross was going to be eliminated. And I just think who could have possibly seen that coming. I mean, I just don't see when he would have done it. I don't think he can do it at Phoenix now, though, because now he's not in the championship four. And if you mess with

the title driver, that's going to be frowned upon. So, you know, I can, I can, I guess you just have to, you just have to just take it. I mean, what can you do? What can you do? I just don't know. It's got to be a very, very bitter pill to swallow. But Denny ran a great race. It's his pit crew three times in a row.

Three times. The last three pit stops lost in multiple spots. And I do give him credit for not placing the blame. Like how he handled the situation, I think, was very, I mean, that is championship worthy right there. Not this year, but in the future. Of all the, you know, the drivers we were talking about who were saying, like, I don't know, maybe they should kind of look at this afterwards. I mean, Denny said, you know, we have to race within these walls and he figured out how to do it on the last lap better than we did.

He did? Yep. And let's penalize him. Let's make a rule where he can't. Denny's 41 years old. He doesn't have many of these championships left. But he said last week, winning races is more important than championships. Holy cow.

Craziest moment, NASCAR history was yesterday. If you're the leader of, say they don't do anything, right? They don't do nothing about this. and you're leading Martinsville next year in the spring coming to the checker flag. Go to the top. What are you going to do? You have to run the wall, right? You have to.

You have no choice. It was two seconds faster in a quarter of a mile distance. To your point, Freddie, though, like maybe that's where the rule part of it comes in, like the justification, because you're asking if, let's say a driver is in that position and doesn't do it? Everybody's going to be like, why didn't you stuff it in the wall? Why didn't you make this crazy reckless move? Like, you must not really want to win.

But that's not what you, you don't, you can't really put your, athletes in that position because you're basically saying, oh, you're going to risk this. You have to hit a wall or you're not going to win. You're not going to. Yeah. I mean, if you're leading the race and there's no rule and the guy is five back, you have to destroy your car to win the race. You have to do it. Like you have to, you have to, you have to drive in the, you have to run in the fence wide open. Okay. So when third does it and wins the race, you're disqualified. You won the race, but sorry you didn't win. Well, third won't get a chance to do it because you all have,

we all have, we all going to do it. We're all going to do it. Then you're going to have somebody try to slide job it and come up in the middle and then they're all going to hit. I mean, I really think it could, I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but could you not do this in the championship race next week? I don't, I think. I was talking about this last night with Custer. I think it's too far around. I don't think so.

I think the corner's too far around. No chance. Dude, you break pretty hard for three. Yeah. And he gained speed when he got into the fence. I know. I think the corner's too far around. I'll let you know later.

We'll find out. I'm going to get on there and do it. TJ, do you think he practiced this. in Sim. I do because he shifted. How would you know to shift? How would you know to shift? How did you know you're going to gain speed

if you didn't practice it? That's my thing. So do you credit Ross Chastain with the move? No. Or Josh Wise? I credit everybody who pieced that gate together firmly. I'll tell you what. Like credit,

a lot of the guys are working with Josh Wise, especially on the Chevy side. And they practice some funky shit in these Sims, especially road courses, like the shortcut, short cutting or just blow a chicane and do a stop and go and see if that's faster. Just a few months ago,

we were talking about Chastain, his like, him like essentially questioning what you can possibly do to get a win. I mean, he was the only guy who is, we've talked about multiple times. How is this any different than Indy?

It's not. Do you want to make a rule against it? And he got penalized there, though. I, you know, it's really tough the day after to sit here and be like, and try to think through the implications because we've just really never had. Normally something that happens, it's like, okay, you know, the yellow line rule.

And then you see, okay, this happened because of this. And over the years, you say, all right, maybe this went down the wrong road because it started with this intent. Now it's this. It's so, like the box has been opened and the door has been open so big now. Like, what are the possibilities? I mean, this is really crazy. So I don't know.

I keep going back and forth. I mean, you're both making good points on what they should do or not. I just, right now, I just don't see, like, if somebody does this at Phoenix next week and wins a title this way, I think it's viewed as, wow, that's incredible and exciting. And NASCAR gets more buzz and everybody's like, okay, well, he did it. Like, he won the title. Like, maybe they don't need to officiate that yet. So the leader has to make a decision at Phoenix. I'm either going to run the corner.

You're going to work at Phoenix. I don't think it works at Phoenix. I'll ask for us because he's practicing today. So you're going to, you were going to go into Martinsville and tell me it was going to work there? No. Usually when they hit the work on the sim, Mike. But I'm saying, though, like normally when you hit the wall, Martinsville, you kind of slowed out.

He gained speed. How much of a bonus should Justin Marks give Ross Chastain? Oh, a lot. What should this bonus be? A long-term deal. Like, you're our driver for as long as it would be our-draft-time contract. I said on the show, months and months and months ago, that Ross Chastain would be in his best situation if he's on a one-year deal.

Because he's won two races. and now he pulls this off. Like he should be one of the top ten highest pay guys in the sport. Do you agree with that? I don't know.

I don't know. He's in the final four. How do you not agree with that? I mean, you're telling me you should make more than Denny Hamlin's not. Should he make more than Denny Hamlin? Danny Hamlin makes ten times what Ross Chastain makes. Yeah, but I don't know just because you make the final four

you deserve to be. Oh my God. You make the final four. You shouldn't be a top ten pay guy. I mean... Look at him, not me. I don't know. I don't know where they're all range.

I don't know whether. Congratulations. Once you race is your final four guy, you should be the 21st May. I think he's earning his way up the ladder for sure. He's winning races like you said. I'm glad you're not an agent. Well, I'm glad I'm on the top 10 paid spotters on the stand.

That's different. Did you be one of the top 10 paid spotters on a stand? Do I perform well? By the top four? Apparently not. I mean, I'm 30 something in points again. Now I guess I should be probably in the bottom.

I'm way down in points. Yeah. See you at the trailer part. I mean, I have a camper. I mean, just moved into a camper. I really want a clip of gluck just going like this. Well, do you remember last time he was on the show when we were talking about how great Kyle was? I'll put it this way. Ross is solidifying himself as a top tier guy. He needs to continue the trend, though.

But pay him like, I mean, I don't know what he makes, by the way. I don't either. I hope he is a top 10 pay guy, but he's not. But he should be. Probably not. All right. Continuing on to Xfinity series. on Saturday, which was clearly nothing to talk about here. Oh my gosh. Ty Gibbs punt teammate Brandon Jones into turn one to win the Xfinity series race. Jeff, spot on, spot off. I mean, just as like the chastain move was sort of P1 on the ultimate spot on list,

this might be the bottom of the ultimate spot off list. I just hated this so much. Like, it just, it made no sense to me, like, logically at all. I just don't understand short-term implications, long-term implications, next week, that race, everything, like for your organization, for the way you're viewed by fans, for who you're going to race against, for your reputation, for sponsors, like everything about it, I just don't get. And I do think that he, you know, I guess I'm sort of out on an island a little bit on this in terms of like NASCAR stepping into penalized stuff. but how long are you going to, how far is the line going to go before NASCAR goes, okay, like you can't do that for a win.

You can't, you cannot just take out the leader who's about to make the final four on the last lap, just blatantly take them out and win the race yourself. Like, you know, in short tracks you get sent to the back, many short tracks,

if you take out the leader, intentional or not. This felt like he was trying to give him a pretty hard hit. And if he wasn't trying to, and if it was a mistake, like he said, you know, he kept saying afterwards multiple times in the media center, like over and over again, look, I was trying to bump him.

I was trying to move him, but I wasn't trying to wreck him. Okay. Rattle his cage. But if you're trying to do that and you go, oh, I made a mistake. I accidentally wreck my teammate. Like I was trying to move him and oops. For the fourth time.

Then why would you do like one of the biggest burnouts of the year right after that? Get out of the car as the entire like grandstand is booing the shit out of you. Second coming of you. Second coming of you. Jesus. And then, you know, wave your hand, you know, to egg on the cheers.

Like, you would, you would get out with no celebration at all and just go, oh, man, like, I really hate to race that way. Like I, I, like how Kyle Arson did it with Chase Elliott a few months ago, how he did not necessarily celebrate as much as he could. Yeah, like you, that's what, that's what happens when you win how you're not supposed to, but he clearly thought what he did was fine and cool. So therefore, there had to be some intent behind it because that it just doesn't, that up otherwise.

Yeah, I mean, I think, listen, the 19 put the bumper to the 54 when they, on the restart, moved him up the hill, and I think the 54 had all intentions of he's not, you know, I think he just said to himself, he's not winning this race, whether or not, I don't know if he intended to wreck him or not.

I think he intended to move him, but it was poorly executed and he wrecked him. And to his point, if you look at the SMT dad a little bit, the 19 did back his entry up a little bit because he knows the shots coming. You know, you can see In instances like that, you can see when a guy squares you up at the start, finish line. Like, he got down there to do it.

He got down at the start finish line and lined him up. Okay, this is coming. Like you can get this, Drew Herring spots for Brandon. I'm sure he probably warned him. All right, hold on. He's getting ready to move you. So you kind of back your entry up a little bit and maybe that tie off guard. But he had all intentions of the 19 not winning that race,

whether or not he was intending to wreck him or not. But he was going to move him out of the way and cost him the race, which still blows my mind of why. of why you would knock another JGR car out of the playoffs. I mean, I know that Brandon Jones is leaving. He's going on JRM next year. To the guys your race up. But there's a lot of guys in that shop today in Huntersville

that are pretty pissed off at Ty Gibbs, I'm sure. Guys on the 19 team, guys in the fab shot, you know, you just cost them another chance. You know, now there's three JRM cars versus your one, you know, JGR car. When you just went from a 50% chance to a 25% chance to win the championship because of you wanted, you had to move that guy out of the way. And it's, I don't know.

I think it's less than that. Because I think now that I think the 19 is probably a teammate of the other ones. Yeah, right? That's the thing to look at. You know, we talk about on here all the time. The guys are everybody all, you know, we're just talking about Danny. I'm going to get them at some point. I'm going to get him at some point.

Brandon Jones, to my knowledge, didn't say, like he didn't. He handled it so well. He didn't say anything. And that's the guy you got to watch out for. Those are the guys that you got to watch out for. So Brandon Jones turned the other cheek, I would say, a very, uh, very, that's a very very good sense. Yes.

I mean, you want to talk about just doubling down on a bad idea. Like, all right, now I've done this. I've knocked my player, my teammate out of the playoff, out of the Final Four. But you know what I'm going to do now is just compare myself to Jesus. Oh, yeah. They hated him, too, from what I was told. I'm spot off, man.

You know, Ties admitted he's made mistakes this year. Went through kind of a quiet spell where nothing really kind of happened. And then, you know, he's made a lot of mistakes. He's done a lot of aggressive things. And then you do this. and I just don't understand any of the thinking behind it, like you said. We're a bunch of hypocrites. I did, yeah, but I mean.

We say when at all cost on the show all the time. Yes, but there's like, I don't, I don't agree with turning a guy. I'm a fine if he runs under the corner, knocks him up the track. And to Brett's point, if that's Noah Gregson that he does that too, does anybody give a I mean, Noah probably does. I mean, Noah will, but does he get the chorus. of booze like that. You know, I know, no, he's got,

maybe Noah's a poor example because he's got a huge fan base, but Dale Arthard did that would everybody be mad on. A lot of those guys get out though. And like, yeah, like he says, though, he gets out and just says, yeah, that's what I was what I, that's,

that's what I did. It's what I wanted to do. There's no like, man, I really hate to do that. You know, I hate it, you know, I didn't want to win that way, but, you know, I'm happy for my guy. There's no, like, gets out and calls it on. Like, yeah, that's bad.

You know, are you not entertained? You know, like, this is it. it like but just doesn't make sense man like now you just instead of creating a teammate racing in he's a terrible teammate now you got an enemy another enemy like another one and but was brandon jones going to see tie gibbs again other than phoenix i don't know we'll see what they probably won't turn one lap one we make fun of t j's initials standing for thanks junior what does t g stand for thanks grandpa that that gave me let's go brandon vibes that oh yeah They actually said it all the grandsons.

You hear them? We literally say on this thing, you know, and it sucks. Like, it sucks to be Brandon Jones right now. But Ty Gibbs won at all cost. And Ty Gibbs is positioning himself as the new intimidator. I actually think that it's great to be Brandon right now because I cannot imagine more people on his side. What I don't get is, man, how much money has Brandon Jones brought to Joe Gibbs Racing over the last several years?

A lot. Oh, my Jesus. A lot. Speak of Jesus. Speaking of Jesus. This guy has brought 15 million, like crazy amounts of money, a sponsorship to this team. And holy cow, what a terrible way to be disrespected. Like, I don't know.

But what does Ty go? Hey, sorry, grandpa, can I still fly home with you on your challenger? Like, how does this work? What are the repercussions of Ty Gibbs doing that? Like, we all say it sucks for Brandon Jones. He shouldn't have done it. But what actually happens? I think it's long-term repercussions because you lost any benefit of the doubt.

You lost all respect in the garage. The entire garage is like, man, that guy, you know what I mean? I don't think he has a lot of respect in the cup garage anyway. Well, you don't have any now. I mean, and now it's going to really take a long time. I mean, fan base-wise, like, honestly, when he'd do some of the stuff earlier, even the pit road thing, you know, I was like, all right, that's really bad. but, you know, eventually he'll learn not to do that.

Like, he'll get that stuff under control. He'll get that stuff sorted out. And I think he means well, you know, ultimately he has some laps of judgment. This was more than like a lapse of judgment. This was like a conscious decision and like backing it up. Like, I'm going to do this and this is how I'm going to race and this is how I'm going to be. And then, you know, like you said doubling down on the comments afterwards and things like that. Like, so that's who he is now, okay?

Like that's different than I was perceiving. him. So I think the perception is changed. He's probably fine, you know, sponsor-wise, you know, and obviously he's not going to lose his ride, but I think long-term, if you become, like, even Kyle Bush, right, as much as we talk about Kyle Bush on the show, Kyle Busch would rather be a most popular driver. He doesn't want to be disliked. There's been times when he sort of, you know, would wear the black hat, you know, out of fun, but he doesn't, he doesn't want to be booed. Like, nobody. Yeah.

So, but so I think you're seeing Ty Gibbs become the closest to like embracing the villain thing that we've seen. But I don't think that's in a sponsorship based sport. I just don't see how that's the great move, especially at his age. You're, you're really taking a path in your career now that it's going to be hard to come back from. So I, there's no repercussions. Your question at the moment, but I think there's going to be, he's going to regret that down the road. Carl Edwards got away with it his whole career. He'd smile and say, I didn't mean to do that.

I think Ty's just setting up. He wants to be the opening act on the Ross Chastain, don't give a to her for the rest of the year. We're going into next year. The Chastain, it flipped. He was booed before the race in driver intros, and he got massive cheers afterwards. So now everybody's like, okay, Chastain.

Right. That redeemed him. He got booed? I didn't know that. In driver intros. Yeah. He does. Do my guy get booed yesterday?

No, not a lot. TJs, they didn't really get food. Bubba Wallace, I literally talked before the race. I told Freddie this. I hope that Bubba Wallace was Sunday morning showed up with a bouquet of flowers and a thank you card and said, here, Ty. Thanks for taking all the media attention.

Guys like Jeff Gluck, thanks for taking me off blast and putting it on you. And then Ross Chastain takes all the blast off of Ty and puts these cheers into the media. I will tell you there was cash exchange in our pre-race meeting. What happened? Bubba and Ty for thanking him.

He should. I mean, I think Bobba took the cash back, but probably did a good job though. He went and luckily there's other bigger events and he went and ran a quiet, good race and yeah. Yeah, he came,

he showed up, he did his media. I mean, you had some good points in last week's podcast, Brett, about how, you know, it was going to be really difficult for him to come back

and he needed sort of just, you know, get through this that weekend. And I think he did, you know, like he sort of checked all the box that he needs to move on. And like you said, now there's way bigger things that everybody's talking about.

And everybody's like, oh, yeah, the Bubba thing. Oh, oh, yeah. And on top of that, Bell, by making it, really lets him off the hook. Because it's like... That's the guy you wrecked. No, the guy. Who won't? So Bubba did two things.

Well, obviously, Bell making it. But Bubba also did the biggest thing and the hardest thing. Mentally, he ran well all day. Mm-hmm. Where'd you finish? Eighth, I think. And ran well. Lucky.

It'd have been nice. Eighth is a good run at Marchville. It's hard to run. I think we were a little bit better than that. There are some reasons why we couldn't. We need to finish seventh if Ross wouldn't have done his brilliant moves. Yeah, we were seven. It's a penalized that guy.

But yeah, we were good. I mean, you know, we, I don't know. We've put four tires on and maybe that was not the, like, we might have had a shot if we didn't. But I don't know, we were going to be a six to 10th place car somewhere in there. And he went up after in victory lane and congratulated Bubba. He delayed victory lane. He delayed victory lane. He delayed victory lane.

He graduated in Buffalo. Delian victory. Clearly. All right. Well, don't worry. There's more Expedity Series drama. Austin Hill punches Mayette Snyder after the experience series race at Martinsville. Oh, man.

I really. I just saw this this morning for the first time. I have. Have you seen it? Yeah. Spot on, spot off. Not him getting up, but like the hit. There's been multiple times where I've questioned Mayets, maybe intelligence level.

and I'm questioning it again because that is a big old boy that you are with. Country boy. Yeah. And from what I understand, I don't know, Jeff, you might have more insight to this. I went to Austin's car. They're at Austin's car, I believe, and was chirping and saying whatever. And Austin said, just get the fuck away from me. And he didn't.

And then he was on the ground shortly after that. So I don't know why if you're Maya Snyder, you want to, start a fight with Austin. He won't do that again. No, I didn't know they got in, I didn't know any puns they were thrown until this morning. I saw a video. I saw the initial video I saw.

They were just rolling around on the ground. Yeah, that's what I saw. And I was like, that was exfinite racing. They caught it right. And then the other video came out last night of Big Island. And I was like, oh, wow. How many cup drivers you think are going to

with Austin Hill if he ever makes it the cup after seeing that? Name a cup driver that will walk up to Austin Hill right now and want to start a fight. None. I mean, Ross. Ross, probably the only, what he's he don't give a thing about this Ross doesn't go talk to anybody

they normally go to talk to him you know what I mean Jeff Jeff let me give you an idea the next time you want to interview Austin Hill you go hey man can I ask you a question excuse me sir you don't want that guy throwing haymakers at you

well and let's be honest that's been there's been many people you would think might have deserved to get punched in the face over the course of the season at times and we all talk about it all the time like man like these guys they say, oh, you know, they're going to regret this or whatever.

Nothing ever happens. Apparently, it will happen with Austin Hill if you get something like him. So now lesson learned, right? And that's, isn't that a message that you need to send at times? Yeah, great. I mean, he gave the warning. Get away. Get out of here.

Then it was game on. I don't think, I think I saw somewhere that NASCAR is reviewing it. So I don't know if there's going to be. Well, you got knocked the fuck hell. I would rather see that then. Get up Craig. Don't do something with your car, you know, that's in a really dangerous way. I would rather see them, you know, handle it afterwards.

What was, what was, I don't remember. What was Ty's? I would see anybody get this heart. Hit this horse since college. Like, holy. Sam, the cousin, fucking Syed's a couple of them.

Sam took a pretty good shot for her nephew. What was Ty's penalty for punching? If anybody should be on concussion protocol, it should be my. Snyder. I promise you he got knocked out. That video is too far away to see. I mean, I wasn't there. If he didn't get knocked out, I'm questioning Austin Hill. I'm not as worried as I used to text from Bob after like about, I don't know, 10 minutes after the race. And he's like,

did Austin Hill get in a fight with somebody? And I'm like, I was like, I don't think so. I was no, that was not a fight. You ever see what a chihuahua on? I was up in the press box. They didn't show it on TV. It wasn't, you know, I didn't see any scuffles or anything like from where I was. I was like, I mean, not that I know of. Um, because he's like, okay, yeah, he had a weird comment like after the, like, was referring to something, but, um, so then the video comes out, you know, yesterday and it was like, oh, yep. I was like, okay, yeah. You know, what's even worse is what it was over. It was, I guess my, it was running like that big arc in the corner and like,

and leaving the door open a little bit and then cutting down and, um, Austin drove to the bottom like anybody would if you're running the bottom you're going to drive in there if it's open and my it cut down and that's how he got spun out that's what it was and i guess it wasn't even a nothing was even said during the race like you didn't even know he was mad so my it so i don't know what was ty's penalties jason no there's no penalty for the fight just 15 000 for making contact with sam's car on pit road oh okay so then there shouldn't be a penalty well we all know about precedence hands down biggest hit of the year that was a yeah oh i ain't going to Austin Hill.

I'm telling you, that's a big boy. Remember that Ambrose Mears punch? Oh, yeah. That was pretty good. Yeah, but he didn't connect this. I'm telling you. I don't know, man.

Yeah, no, Austin extended the whole way. Casey Mears took it on the chin. He moved two steps to the right. And then the guy, the engine tuner come in from behind and elbowed a guy in the back of the head. But like, I've not seen a punch this hard in NASCAR history.

Televised, ever. Televised. Who I have to give credit for. is the fact that there was not a fight between AJ Almendor and Justin Allgaier. There's rumors that Jeff Gordon threw one at the airport that was that good. Really?

But it wasn't televised? Oh yeah, he threw one. I remember you talking about that. Wasn't there another one with your guy? There's never been this heart of a punch thrown in NASCAR history on pit road. It's like you were at that little video game thingy where they dropped the punching back down

and you get like three punches. That's what I was saying? That's what it's weird off. But then what made it worse? This is how you know he's a country. boy. After he hit him, you see what he did?

Jumped on top of him. Because to Dale Jr.'s point on our podcast, when you get in a fight, you don't swing once and hope it's over. You keep swinging. He jumped on top of him. I give Craven. They should give Craven a job

on the rodeo deal because he was riding Austin Hill about halfway down Midrode. It looked like trying to get him off of them. All right. Spot on, spot off. NASCAR releases crash test footage

of the proposed rear changes to the next gen car in the docu series. Brett, spot on, spot off. That's awesome because I didn't see this. Check your group meet. I'm sorry. Seriously?

I'm serious. I don't know. Jeff, you see the video? Yeah, I saw a clip of it on Twitter. What do you think? Well, I mean, it looks like it crumbles more, but drivers also said that they were told that it still won't be, I guess, as good as the old car was or as safe as the old car was.

though it'll be an improvement. So I guess it sort of remains to be seen. It's hard to make a judgment until we see it next year in action. I mean, this crash test was about at 30-something miles an hour or whatever. So how can you really, we wouldn't have known what this car was going to do until, unfortunately, guys started getting injured. I guess we just have to wait and see, but it wouldn't, I'm not sure how much more comfort I'd take in it if I was a driver.

like it's still not as good as what I was driving before. So that's the thing we've harped on on here is if it's 0.001% less safe than the last car, what are we doing? You know, and I agree with you. My question about watching that video, and it's at 33 miles an hour and it's a square shot to the back bumper, which is not really common. I don't remember a lot of just square shots with the rear of the car because normally you're spinning

and you hit at some kind of angle. We've had some square shots this year. Yeah, I mean, we hit fairly square, but it was still off center. But the thing watching that video that I took away from it is the integrity of the fuel cell, which is a big deal. I mean, that was kind of what the entire rear clip was for in the old car. You know, you can see it moves a lot more. It kind of crushes around it. And that's at 33 miles an hour.

And I feel like if we're hitting a wall, we're hitting a wall probably faster than 33 miles an hour. I'm sure there's a reason they have data that supports why they did it at 33 miles an hour. but you know the biggest thing is protecting that fuel cell because that's that's step one you know I think if there's something if that thing is compromised and we have a ball of fire coming out of the back of the car now what the hell are we doing there so that's the only concern I had looking at that video was like it definitely crushes more but you see a lot more movement in that fuel cell and I feel like that has to be addressed but again to the same point why are we why are we riding a car that's less safe than the car we had before?

And it sounds to me like they're not real confident they can ever get this car as safe as the other one. Here's how you know you have a problem. Two things on yesterday. We had a massive restart where Denny slowed the pace or maybe he didn't slow down. Maybe he just went really late. But there was a restart where a lot of guys piled into each other,

my driver being one of them. And in that restart, Tyler Reddick quit. He got out of his car and quit. I'm not saying he quit, but he got out of the car because of the contact that was made during that restart. And my driver, Justin Haley, was worried about A.J. Almondinger, who he ran in the back of because he had had such a major impact on the back of his car. Like, if we have drivers getting out of cars because of contact on a restart and because they're worried about a driver on a restart, like we've never been in this position. as a sport. Yeah, I think.

Right. Like, imagine being a competitor. You're in the game. It's the slowest part of your whole race is coming to the green. And you hit a guy and we have a guy retire from the race. And we have another guy worried about the guy who he hit in the rear. Yeah. I mean, that's never happened.

Obviously, I think Tyler's deal stems a lot from last week. He took a pretty big hit last week, the inside wall. And there were some rumors come out. I forget, I don't know if you tweeted or somebody tweeted it. Jordan tweeted that there was somebody from RCR told him that Tyler wasn't feeling great leading up to that. And then that contact kind of triggered something. And I talked to Tyler last night and he said, I just, he's like, I just felt like I needed to get out. You know, I didn't feel right.

But when does that ever happen? Yeah, no. I'm going to tell you when. No, but I commend Tyler for getting out because a lot of guys wouldn't have. So I told him that's one of the first smart things I've seen him do in a really long time. But, you know, it's just. I think there are a few other things that he's done. Thank you, though.

But no, I hope he's all right. and seeing Bowman come back this week is interesting, I think. Like what? There's two guys who cannot wait to get to Phoenix. It's Tyler Redding and Kyle Bush. They're ready to get their season over with. I promise you. No kidding.

No kidding. All right. So look, nobody needs a doctor more than probably my kids. Oh, my God. They go to the orthodox doctor all the time. We got a couple guys in our sport that do an amazing job. Bill Heisel and Kim Breth. We're going to call Kim because Ken does a lot of,

physical therapy with concussions. Obviously, ironically, a hot topic among our sport right now and even in today's race. And maybe he needs to call Maya Snyder. But before we call Maya Snyder, let's call Ken. Ken, what's up? Hey, how are you? I'm good, brother. What are you up to?

Oh, man, just doing our daily grind at the Hendrick Motorsports shop right now with the PICU guys and getting them tuned up for this last race before the offseason. Dude, that's awesome. So I set you up before we called you as someone who sees my kids all the time because they're always injured. But tell us a little bit about what you and Bill do for the sport to keep these guys healthy. So Bill Heisler is a physician assistant and I'm a physical therapist and athletic trainer. And we spend time at all the shops working on these guys during a week to keep them tuned up for all the little nicks and bumps that they have during the week as athletes that you would have in any other sport. especially we're doing we're telling these guys to do all the things our parents told them not to do is jump about in front of moving cars carrying big heavy things and lifting and twisting and doing all these unnatural movements and doing only one direction and so that comes with injuries with any athletes as they train and as they get better and bigger and faster the injuries come a little more and then add into getting hit by cars and all the other stuff that you can account for so when they're beat up we take care of and we get their x-rays MRI surgery schedule

for them, any rehab therapy, just about anything from head to toe that we can deal with to help them perform. That's what we do. So in the shops during a week and on weekends we travel with these guys, make sure they're tuned up for race time. So when I got to the sport, man, we didn't have guys like you around. Around what year did you all start working with the teams and develop your opportunity to kind of be here for us at the racetrack to help us all out? So back in 2007, is when we officially started the Ortho-Carolina Motorsports division, so to speak, with our company, basically based on an idea that Bill Heisle had working in the NFL. He had connections with Coach Gibbs, and at the time, we approached coach about treating their pick-crew guys

as they were getting bigger and faster and seeing the importance of their ability to work at a fast pace that we need to treat them like athletes, which meant health. care like athletes get. And as they started recruiting more guys from Division I programs that were athletes that were there were accustomed to having high quality health care for those bumps and bruises to keep them performing at a high level, it just made sense. And coach bought into it. And quickly thereafter, Mr. Hendrick got on board and slowly we've expanded to most of the teams in the sport and into motocross now and even EMSA, Indie racing next year. It just kind of slowly keeps growing as they see the importance of taking care of these athletes.

Your most prized possession is your people. And if you can keep them healthy, they can perform at the highest level. So, as far as concussions go, obviously, that's the hot topic right now. They've been in motorsports, man, for as long as I've been around. I mean, my friends have had them. My drivers, I've managed, have had them. Nobody knew about it or they just raced with it. Like, how do you guys view the sensitive?

around concussions right now because I guess my biggest question is we saw two uh what's his name I'm not even going to try to pronounce his last name nor am I a redneck from south Carolina is not going to try to a T to a T that's a great reference like we saw him what have what we thought was a concussion in a game the very next game he goes down in a crippled motion and we see this guy come back quicker than we see NASCAR drivers come back like how are concussions in your world treated and ultimately brought back to the position where the athlete can come back to compete. Yeah, concussions are really tricky because there's really no two the same. It's not like treating a knee or a shoulder injury where they're fairly similar.

There may be some small differences. Concussions are a whole different animal in the sense that one guy can take a hit that you would think he'd knock it's silly and he does fine. And others take what's seemingly a small hit. The research is kind of bearing out that the more smaller hit you have, actually the worse you are than the one big traumatic hit. So I think in our sport, what we're not picking up on, honestly, is all these small hits that may not cause them symptoms at the time, but accumulatively through the season that add up to a more longer lasting issue. And then with concussions, you know, I mean, everybody's affected differently. Some are really sensitive to light. Some are sensitive to sound.

Some are sensitive to balance issues. And so treating them, first of all, you have to really figure out where that person is having their biggest issue and then attack that. And once you take care of that one, then find out if there's something else still remaining. You know, that's the tricky part. It's a silent injury. People don't know if drivers having issues with cognition. or they're a little bit slower in response. So we have a battery of tests that we can run to test for concussions,

but there's still no gold standard out there of definitively saying, yes, they have a concussion, no, they don't. It's take all the information, put it together, what's most likely, how do they respond, put them in a stressful situation again, put them in simulators, try to recreate those situations that may trigger them. And they may feel fine until they get into it. And I think maybe that's what we saw this weekend with Redick, and that's purely speculative, but he had a big hit last week. And he has to pull himself out of the car because he had issues.

Was it just a headache? Was he triggered by the heat and the sound and the smells that triggered him to maybe lose focus or concentration that he just felt it was unsafe? And he did the right thing. And that's really challenging for any athlete to pull themselves out. So I think more education now, the more research we do, the better will always. all be. But ultimately, it's a really challenging thing as you have to be honest with your symptoms and tell the trainers, the therapists, the doctors, what's going on. So, Ken, this is Jeff Gluck from the athletic. So it sounds like you're saying that everybody still just has to be reliant on the drivers

identifying their symptoms and not trying to hide them because the testing isn't there yet to, you know, definitively, you know, identify this kind of stuff. And then obviously, like you said, with them taking so many small hits that add up, you don't really know unless they come forward. Is that how it's going to be for the foreseeable future? I think that's a part of it. I think the technology will catch up. We're seeing some newer sensors that you can put on helmets that are in football now that are very inexpensive and something that we've kind of discussed lately okay is this something that could work in NASCAR they have a a circular little piece that sticks on a helmet it's about $50 I haven't tested them and looked into them but it's something that's

popped up recently that you can put on a helmet and is it will accept certain hit loads even rotational forces and it won't trigger this little sensor but at a certain threshold that you set it triggers it and it turns red and it can't be reset it's disposable is that something that we potentially look at in the future to say, hey, when this thing is triggered, at least we have to test. At minimum, test them if they pass, fine, no harm, no foul. But we have mouthpieces now that some of the drivers are wearing.

I think the more data collection we get, maybe the closer will be. You know, I personally, in my opinion, I think we should test these drivers more often with the tests we have. I think we hit bare minimums and we can do more in testing to have better baselines because the difference from their baseline, I believe at this point is the best way to tell if they're symptoms. There's certain tests you can't cheat. Reaction time, you can't cheat. Some balanced tests, you really can't cheat them. And so not that the drivers are specifically looking to cheat the test, but nobody wants to be

held out of a game, especially if you, quote, feel fine until you get into the environment that actually triggers it. And then all of a sudden you're not only putting yourself at risk, which are putting other drivers or fans or anybody at risk. You pick crews, you know, we need sound judgment. We need quick decision making. So, yeah, I think there is a little bit on the drivers as well, though. We have to have them, you know, be honest, you know, for their sake and others. Yeah.

Ken, I don't know how much experience you have with this, but what does the rehab look like for these guys? You know, obviously it's different timelines for everybody. We see Kurt's still out now for months. Bowman's coming back after three or four weeks. You know, obviously every case is different, but what's a rehab look like? Like, how do you recover from a concussion? So like I said before, it's a good question.

You have to first get your diagnostics correct in the first place to know how to treat them. So you have to go through the battery of test and find out, okay, are they having concentration issues? Okay, well, then we work on concentration games, memorization, recall. hand-eye coordination, eye-moving tracking, balance exercises. And then when those baseline tests become more normalized, then we need to put them in a higher stress environment, high noise, a lot of visual distractions. So we have these touchboards, I'm sure you've seen on some of the programs already,

where they're touching the lights and it's moving around, they have to get the hand-eye coordination. Well, then we change the background. So there's actually cars moving. We have live video that we can feed in behind it, which shows pit stops happening in the background. So they're having these visual cues that are more similar to race day of making good decisions, hitting marks.

So essentially creating more distractions, strobe lights, really trying to build a tolerance back up to those environmental factors that we can affect to mimic what they may be in the car. So, you know, it is challenging because they're not the same. And you may respond really well. and we have other tests. There's the Buffalo treadmill test where just from an exercise standpoint

getting the heart rate up on a treadmill, you get them to minimal symptom level and that kind of sets your heart rate level to do other exercises. And so you can test and retest. It's very valid test that you can look at to compare are they making improvements? And again, some are going to improve faster than others.

The number of concussions have had the severity of symptoms. There's so many factors at play that that's that's not, that's why they're not concussion clinics everywhere. It's a tough thing to treat. And so, you know, we just have to treat each person individually and, you know,

concentrate on hydration and sleep and all those other factors that can help overall get better. I think the Buffalo treadmill test just gave Freddie and I anxiety. Yeah. I look like a buffalo on a treadmill. I don't think we're going to pass. And we have a had to. Cucion recently.

I felt like a concussion like symptoms this morning. Yeah. They're good for hangovers too. I guess my last question before we let you jump is, how do you actually get cleared to come back? Because are you at 90% in your fine? Like, how does the brain work with that? So ultimately it has to be cleared by a neurologist or their personal doctor who's covering their care. We, as a therapist, all I can do is provide as much data or data, however you guys like to say it, towards here's what I've done.

Here's the environments I've put them in. Here's the stress that I've put them in. You know, ultimately, you know, it is a judgment call. And I think most will err on the side of caution when there's risk to other people, you know. You know, in football, if you have a concussion, the risk is mostly to yourself. if you go in a little earlier. But in a race car, the risk is to a lot of other people, especially the pick who guys on pit road or other drivers.

So in my opinion, I think our driver doctors are a little more cautious because there's risk to others. But ultimately, you've got to pass the test. And ideally, you put them in a stressful situation as close to game setting as possible. You know, with football, you get back to cardio first, then it's practice without hitting, then it's light hitting,

and then it's get back to football, full pads, full go. But for racing, it's kind of you, the race or you don't. So I think we can put them in simulators. We can change the environments. We can do everything as possible to mimic it. I think back when Dale Jr. was getting back after all of his, he actually got them to allow him to test on an open track with no other cars around. And we were able to do that somewhat in some of the lower series.

But, you know, testing rules with NASCAR. makes that a little bit challenging as well as to get track time and to get others to take their cars out there and run laps with them to make sure they're okay. But it is a, it's a judgment call. So we rely on those guys way smarter than I am to make that ultimate call, the ones that have the MD and get the big paychecks. Yeah, cool, man. Well, listen, we appreciate your time and we appreciate you and Bill, keeping us all safe and healthy, especially my three kids, because I think my three kids see you guys more than anybody else. So we appreciate what you do, man.

And Ken is also a big listener of this show, so I'm going to put you on a spot. What's your favorite part about DBC? The reaction theater by far. The creativity is just, it's unbelievable. What people can do on short notice and songs, and man, it just makes me laugh every week. And just kind of knowing you guys a little bit behind the scenes, I just like the banner. It's like sitting around with a bunch of buddies drinking and talking your shop. So I enjoyed every week.

All right, brother. We're going to let you jump. And I thought you were going to say that was your favorite part. So after that, we're not friends anymore. Well, you keep you keep me employed. I was going to say, I do enjoy that. You're definitely his favorite because you're there once a week. Yeah, exactly.

I'm on the first name basis as little kids. Absolutely. I'm on their iPhone. I'm like, hey, what do we do for this? And what do we do for that? We'll see you tomorrow. Their kids get a phone for Christmas in the first two numbers programmed are Bill, Ken, and then mom and dad.

That's not a lie. Hey, thanks, brother. I'll see you soon. See you soon. All right. Thanks for having me. Thanks, Ken. Door bumper clear fans,

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I'm going to run out of beer and cigarettes. Okay, so, TJ, look at the fucking date all the time. Why don't we tell you this fucking date? Hey, Freddy, just letting you know we got the beige GMC out in the parking lot in case you want to have Bubba come out and hit us. Like you said, everything held on the track. Hey now, Jason, got a message for you. Get out of Dylan's ass.

Reaction theater starts now. So other than him fencing Brandon Jones, can we talk about how dumb of a move that is? He's racing three guys next weeks from a championship who drive for the team that the guy he just fenced is going to drive? for next year. I'm just saying if I was Brandon Jones, that 54 is going to be in the wall before it finishes the race. It ain't finishing the race.

I think he feels very strongly on that topic. It's hard to disagree with him. But Brandon Jones is going to get in trouble if he does because the precedent's been said if you follow that, that you can't mess with the championship driver if you're not in the championship. Got loose. Well, that's what's what you're going to have to do, right? I mean,

otherwise, you can't just go wreck them back. I mean, you can. What are they going to be It sounded like that guy was racing as he was calling in. He was shifting gears. He might have been at Martinsville. Here's the funny part of this. I literally look at the Xfinity Series as all the truck series drivers. He's here.

That T.J. mentored over the years and race like complete idiots and did not respect equipment and did not respect each other and hung on each other's door. They've now migrated into the Xfinity series. And they're racing the exact same way. So we blame T.J. You can't blame Ty for that. But Ty skipped the truck series, and he still races that way. Why am I connected to this again?

The stages and the way these kids are let, I mean, even at a local level, the way they're letting these guys race each other with no integrity, guess what it's showing itself at, the biggest stage in the world of our world, NASCAR in America, like this is on officiating. If you don't officiate this stuff, it's going to keep happening. It's just like we talked about two weeks ago when Bubba did what he did. called it targeting on here. It was targeting is what Ty Gibbs did to Brandon Jones. So what do you do? I don't know. You want a host of her to be suspended. No matter what you do to, no matter what

you do to Ty Gibbs, Brandon Jones still doesn't get his win. Like that's my bigger struggle. Okay, you take the win away from Ty Gibbs, you black flag him, you disqualify him. Brandon Jones still doesn't win. But if you do that, Ty Gibbs won't do it again. And we're letting this rough driving and go on as boys have added. Nothing pisses me off more than we say, we're in the entertainment business. The fuck we are, we're in the racing business. And if we go back to racing and we don't allow that, it won't happen.

We allow that to happen. You've got, I agree. I mean, obviously I agree. You have to draw a line somewhere. But it doesn't sound. So I talked to NASCAR about this, by the way, in preparation for coming on here. And, you prepared for this? They, because I wanted to know what's their side of it.

Yeah. So they feel like there's a line between dirty and illegal. So obviously, like Ty Gibbs had a dirty move, but it's not necessarily an illegal move. My sort of contention is, well, in other sports, when you see a dirty, like, endomic and Sue stumps on somebody, that is illegal, right? But I mean, I guess there's other plays in other sports that aren't officiated for being dirty, but that's... But you said football right there. Would you say, and look, race cars and football is different. Some people that listen to our show hate football. But would you say that was a block in the back?

Clipping. Yeah, it was worse than that. It was like a ruffing the passer. Yeah, it was like one of those. Like a real one though. Like a real roughening the passer call. Like conduct where you just totally just clean somebody out from behind. It was like roughing the passer at that damn Lake Norman Moresville game on Friday.

Yeah. Sons of b. Like I don't know, I don't know how you draw this up. but the problem is we don't draw it up. We don't draw it up. There's no transparency. It just sets a terrible example for young kids that are watching their local racers that if this guy's, if Ty Gibbs can dock the guy out of the way and win the race

and everybody celebrates it? We had a spotters meeting two weeks ago where they called us on the roof and they chewed us out and they threatened their jobs and they called us privilege and they did all these things, right? But this is where the example is set for the tone of the sport and how we manage the sport and how we officiate the sport. And I think the bubble wild situation, You know, Freddie tweeted. And I had team presidents calling me going,

Freddie needs to watch his Twitter. At some point, he's going to need a job outside of Bubba Wallace. What Freddie felt was unprecedented was in the last three years, five years, whatever's been, it was unprecedented. Because to your point, Carson Hosevar, in my mind, if I were running a sport, he'd have been suspended week 10 or whatever. He started doing that stupid shit he was doing. But like, we have got to draw lines.

We have got to stop being gray. We live in this gray world. And the way we attract new fans is by letting things happen like Ross Chastain did yesterday. He had a brilliant move. And you guys say, well, it ain't safe. Well, who's it not safe for? It's not safe for him. Or the guy who would have ran into Alpha 4 if he did?

That guy should have probably blocked the wall. Maybe he made the playoff. But there's just so many variables that we have this gray space, Jeff, that we live in, that drives me nuts as a true sports fan. Because at my local dirt track level growing up on Saturday nights in Lancaster, South Carolina, if stupid shit happened, they fixed it, there was a fight, and it was, they Austin Hill, they'd Austin Hill you right there on the spot. Like we don't have that, when Denny Hamlin said a few weeks ago, we need new leadership,

I think this is what he means. I don't think he means new people. Just set the rules straight for us. I You know I actually think We're in the minority though As far as believing

Me and you Yes Yeah You're probably right Judging from Twitter reaction this weekend A lot of people don't feel That NASCAR should step in

They want the Wild Wild West Boys have at it Kind of thing I just feel like That I mean That is what is embarrassing I think to the sport

Not like a move like Chastain No When you have people just running into each other and cleaning each other out for wins that takes no talent and just running over them. And the reaction of the people is always based on who it is obviously. You know, Ty Gibbs is easy to hate right now. If that's, if Ty Gibbs does that to Chase Elliott, oh my God, he should have been thrown out of the sport, you know? Totally. So it's just, that's all reactionary based. I think on who the driver is. I've been on the receiving end of that. I basically got told I shouldn't have been there.

All right, let's move on. there, but Todd Gibbs over here thinking that he's Moses and Brandon Jones is the Red Sea. Sell that Jesus nonsense of someone else to believe you, buddy. Part of the Red Sea. Oh,

goodness. I wonder like what guy started that chant, because it's not like it's a thing. Yeah, no. So what guy made it a thing? Yeah, one guy said,

hey, listen to this. There's two guys that started yelling it and then the entire grandstand was, you know, might have been. You'd have to get a, you'd have to enlist a buddy to, do it, right? You'd have to be like, yo, you start the chant with me. Because if you just started yelling it by yourself, I mean, I guess you could have to come. I crossed the front stretch there probably 15 years ago after Jimmy Johnson won a race,

and they were chanting stuff that I don't want to repeat on this show to Jimmy. And it was like, it was really bad. And I mean, Jimmy, what Jimmy do? Jimmy, I mean, probably got the pole, spun out, went to the back, spun out again, came back to the front, won the race. But they were chanting Yeah, I wouldn't repeat it. Like, it's bad. Wow. I was like, holy cow, this place is. I thought it was awesome.

What on God's Green Earth did I just watch? Ross Chastain, the innovator of innovations apparently, decided to bring NASCAR 2005 off of the PS2 and put it into Martinsville to get into the damn final four.

All right, Mr. Hamlin, you're up. Batters up. What if he ends up? winning the championship. What if he wins it like that? Who's going to drive harder than that guy? I hope he does win it like that. Oh, no, let's make a stupid rule where he can't do

that again. That's what team you guys are on. Well, there's a spot in Phoenix that's on the line, and he's got to make a points but he ain't got the time. He's below the cut line, but he's on the wall. His name is Ross Chastain. He's got watermelon balls.

He's playing with his ball right now. Ben, you did an amazing job on these calls, by the way. This is great. My voice is a little bit shot, but I'm going to try to sing you Phil as a song anyways. If you saw that video in turns three and turns four, that guy going crazy like a little girl to Justin Bieber concert, I took that video, and that was me going crazy for Ross Chastain, baby. Well, I was over in Martinsville yesterday Eve, the first 400 laps about put me to sleep. I thought this sucks. It's just like the spring

Then I saw something that I ain't Ever seen Well, Denny was safe And old Christopher Bell Was driving away Just like a bat out of hell It looked like the final four Was set, but the don't give an F tour

It's not over yet Brandon said your four points out Your chances are slim Oh my gosh She's riding on the rim Ain't no other driver With that big a ball's raw Castane and the watermelon wall crawl.

Man, that's brilliant. That's really hard to do. Man, that was awesome. Well, to leave an audio message 24-7, don't forget to go to anchor.fm. slash door bumper clear. Click the message icons and we'll icon, and we'll keep playing the best ones each week.

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And be sure to give us a follow on Twitter and Instagram at SpeedstreetPod. It is time for the AskDBC Offerpad question of the week. Don't forget to send in your questions on Twitter each week using hashtag Ask. DBC will keep picking the best ones. This first one is from at Das Sand, I guess. Could the 11 spotter or any spotter have seen Ross along the wall and have done anything to help your driver? I mean, Danny wouldn't have been able to do anything because if he got to Danny,

that means he was in and ready. I would have probably been the one that would have had to have stopped him and I did not even consider it. Like if you commit to the bottom, you're in the bottom. Yeah. It's a commit one way or the other. He passed us, I want to say, like, right at the exit of four probably. So we, Bubba's, I would talk, I called Bob on the way home and he's like, I don't know what I would have done if you told me to drive into the wall right there.

Like it's like, I'm being, right? He went by you like a flyby at the beginning of the race. Like, the jets going over. There was, there really wasn't any time to react. Like, he went by us so fast. It was like a blur. I was screaming at Brad, though. I was screaming at Brad leave the top open.

But he didn't know what I meant because you're driving off. the guy right with you. You don't know there's this missile coming on the outside. Yeah. There was, yeah, there's nothing that Lambert could have done because if he would have even if he got, if he blocked him, like it wouldn't matter. He was going to be in. You can't go from the bottom there to the top and hit the wall. You're going to destroy your car. But also, he only needed two spots and he passed five cars. So it's already, as soon as he started doing it, it's indefensible. Could you imagine if that didn't happen and the race ended, Danny's in, and then we go to Big Al's and we find out that

The six got disqualified. Denny's out and Ross is in now. Yeah, they would have changed it, what, two hours, three hours later? You would have changed a playoff driver's two hours after the race is over. Like, the world would have went to burn down. Like, it would have been. That would have been a very NASCAR thing. I'm pretty sure the world is burned down this weekend anyway.

Anything that happened there. I just can't imagine what that would have looked like if, all right, here's our final four. And actually, it's not. Yeah, because Denny would have done all the post-race media. Chastain would have gone home. He would have been disappointed. I mean, he would have been back in Charlotte or whatever, and then they would have been like, oh, yeah.

But how do you fix that? I mean, there's essentially nothing NASCAR can do, right? They're not going to add a fifth spot. No. No, please no. No, I mean, it would have been, it just would have been a bad look. I mean, you kind of had the opposite end of the spectrum

and a great look for the sport. Everybody's talking about it. You would have had people going, oh, this is so stupid, you know. Fixed. A guy that's not even in the playoffs, change the outcome of the final four, essentially by failing inspection.

Oh my gosh. Like everybody would have been up in arms. So. Thank God. This next one is from JM 1495. They want to know how you switch between channel one and two. Wow. We don't really switch.

We have two radios. One's on channel one. One's on channel two. We have two buttons, basically. On our headsets. One's for channel two and one's for channel one. We have four radios. NASCAR to tell us what to do.

And channel one, we listen to ourselves as well. On another radio. second radio. And third. Because if there is a radio problem, it happened to yesterday with my team and actually every week with my team is there's a radio problem. And if we hear the radio problem on both channels, we know it's not us. Then we have a channel two.

We talk the crew chief, which is not private. It has to be public. You're welcome. And then we have channel one that we talk to the driver. Yeah. So we really use channel one to talk the driver and channel two to by the driver. Yes. Essentially.

Yeah. That's how that works. All right. Well, congratulations to you. at Das fans. What are you sending them? What do they win? You get, yes, you get full credit for having this week's offer pad question.

They give you two. So you have two waterpacked. I will say this. The question of the week is my favorite segment. Because we get what the fans want to talk about and we get to give feedback. What an idiot. It's my favorite segment. Is it?

As a big fan of the show. Mike Davis wanted to do away with it a few weeks ago. It was months ago. Was it a month? Yeah, it was months. I'm an idiot. You are an idiot. We know.

All right, it's time for us to get to our favorite X-Fi, more than fast moments from this week. And this should be a good one. Whether you're behind the wheel or online, speed isn't the only thing you need. So what were your favorite, more than fast moments this week? And I'm going to start with Jeff.

Well, I know the Ross Chastain one's really easy, but I feel like we didn't talk enough about Christopher Bell and what he did on the show. so I'm just going to go there really quick because, I mean, for somebody, he only had two career wins entering the playoffs. And then he goes, he matches his career total by winning in two elimination races with his back against the wall to make the championship. Like, are you kidding me?

Like, had the Ross Chasse not happened? That is one of like the crazier playoff moments ever, like in this format anyway. I mean, you had Kevin Harvick in like 2014 win his way in at Phoenix to make the finals. But, I mean, you don't really see guys, like, really in that pressure situation, go have to do it to make the final four that often. He did it twice in the same playoffs, dude, that is. That's epic. I think Caleb Vincy last week called it. She picked Christopher Bell.

She said, walk off when, and he did it again. I mean, talk about your back being up against a wall. I 100% agree you, but I'm going to give it to. Casey wants credit for that, by the way. I'm going to ride with Jeff Gluck on this. I'll give the X-5 more than fast moment to Bell. Bell's Pit Crew because they put him in position to come off Pitt Road and then from there they come off pit road first again like they legitimately set him up to be able to win this race.

I thought the lane choice was interesting at the end by Custer to help Briscoe. I thought Custer stayed out to help Brisco, but my Exfinity X5 more and fast moment goes to Bell's Pit Crew because we're celebrating pit crews on here today. What they do and what they, what the risk they give is pretty amazing. I mean, my X-Finity X-5 more than a fast moment is going to be Ross Chastain for driving by half the field

in turn three. It's insane. There's no other way to describe I've never seen anything like that before and I don't know that we'll ever see anything like that again. I want to see it again. I'm not saying you can. I'm just saying it's going to be interesting.

I mean, that was good enough to have the award rename like the X-Finity more than X-5 more than fast Ross Chessing. Of the year. Yeah. Can we outlaw all that? should we tell me your honest opinion he look freddie's getting a bad rap for this entire

conversation all he was saying is it's going to happen tj said the same thing it's it's they're we're projecting what's going to happen he didn't say it they should do it he's saying this is why they will do it eventually that's all do you think they should not no not yet not yet i'm with you not they again it if it it probably will happen again because everybody sees one thing happen one time everybody repeats it and does it so by the fifth time this happens, the fifth time somebody does it, and it's at Darlington or Dover or something, and it wrecks half the field at the finish,

and it Rex takes out some playoff driver who was running 10th because some guy tried this, and somebody, you know, like somebody gets hurt or whatever, yes, they will, they'll be, all right, that's the end of that. I left the weekend wanting Jasin Hamilton to be the president of NASCAR, moving forward, because he is an amazing young leader. Man, I love that guy so much. Now I'm jumping off, Jasan.

I'm sorry. I'm going Jeff Klug for president. Jeff Kluck for president. Could you imagine you being the president of NASCAR? Would you hire me? Every single person in NASCAR. Are you there or not? Because, yeah, like, everybody, if I became the president of NASCAR,

every current NASCAR employee would quit. Because they'd be like, absolutely not. Well, probably the same if any of you guys became the president. We're all probably equally liked within the halls of NASCAR. I will say, talk about Jascar, like, he, we have, We spoke to him Friday, Saturday morning. Oh, yes. You let me know.

And we had a great conversation. That was much better, well, much more well received on the roof than the previous meeting we had. I'm going to give you a key word. It was actually a professional conversation. So you guys are being officiated with what you say? We're being threatened is what we were on two weeks ago. And then this weekend we got free hot dogs in your sign and I'll take free hot dogs in your sign. I don't know how.

I don't know how it's not unanimous that Ross Chastain doesn't get this for pulling that move. I mean, when you make a move like that and it instantly comes a meme and that they play the Titanic music to it and all this stuff, it's incredible. So I'm giving it to Ross. It is unanimous. We just didn't have the balls

to make it unanimous. It's got to be unanimous. Which I want to outlaw it. That's a move we probably won't see again. And it got him into the championship four. What if he wins this thing? That's what I'm saying. Like I hate to say this. Freddy said, what if he wins it like that? Because man, I like Willie Bee. I'm a Willie Bee. fan. I like the way he races

and presents himself, but he didn't deserve to be into the next round based on the move he pulled off on Denny. Like, Ross, holy cow, this guy deserves to be in the next round and what if he wins it? I'm telling you, what if he throws up? It's like the year Lugano won it.

You obviously were on that team when he did what he did with Truex, right? We bumped him. I mean, people argued was that clean, was that okay? I mean, go ahead and compare that and then Ty Gibson. You tell me which one was clean. Absolutely. Two guys raced across the line.

I'll take that any day. I know it sucks to lose that way, but that's two guys going for and racing. And I'll take that any day. If you paint it black and white, your move was clean and Ty Gibbs was not. Yeah, I agree. I was just pissed off because I had the final four nailed

until that move. Until that lap. To that corner. That's a bad way to go out. Here on Doorbup, Clear, being more than fast as a way of life. Thankfully, there's plenty of weekly action for our X-Fi more than fast moments.

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Freddy's an idiot TJ, you want to start off? I mean, other than Brett today. The consensus is. Oh, I mean, Martinsville always leaves. I've got a bunch. I got two or three. Martinsville leaves so many that are so deserving.

I've only got one. You just want to go then? I'll go. Go ahead. Brandon Jones, if you'd punch Ty Gibbs in the mouth, like Austin Hill hit Mike Snyder, the first time that kid f***ed you over, he wouldn't erect you like that.

you, if you lay down, I mean, I watched yesterday, I love Justin Haley of Death, I watched Kyle Larson catch us as a leader, he could not pass us. I saw this. He knocked us out of the way and I, internally, I melted down. I wanted to throw Kyle Larson out of the state of Virginia. I was so fucking mad because you're a champion, you're the best driver in the world. Why are you knocking the guy out of the way who's running, let's say, 28th? You can't cleanly.

You can't cleanly pass me. You're going to knock me out of the way. And oh, by the way, Justin Haley's going to take it. Like, I watched Johnny Benson one of the nicest guys in NASCAR history. Do you not know who that is? Of course. Okay. So how many races did he win?

Seriously. He was so freaking nice. He didn't make it. You have to be a selfish hibou around here and you got to take care of business. You got to take care of business. If you don't, he didn't win a cup race. If you don't take care of business, these guys are going to continue to push you around. He wrecked you at the LA Coliseum, if you're Justin Haley.

He knocks you out of the way. You now lose a lap. These guys that take crap from people drive me bonkers. I'm not saying violence is the answer, but if I were Brandon Jones, I would have fixed it the first time he did it. Noah Gregson said it best. He shouldn't be celebrating Victory Lane. He should be getting his ass whipped in Victory Lane. And if you did that, he wouldn't wreck you again.

What was Justin supposed to do when Larson, when the leader knocks him out of the way, though? Fence his ass. The leader as a lapped car Benson He hits you Hit him back Knock him out of the way Chase Lillick takes the lead

Right then Maybe he learns the lesson You can't take crap from people That is a problem with society We let all these kids go around And oh go We can't do You cannot take this crap from people

2002 One cup win for Johnny Benson You know how I know Because I was working on The other side of the shop There at Mb2 He was on the tank car At Rockingham

That's awesome I love Johnny Benson A great guy I saw Bobby Lamine by the way in a garage yesterday. I asked him to come on our show and he said, you have a show? And he wasn't laughing.

He truly met it. I said, yeah, I'm going to get your number from McMurray. He said, I'll come on. So next year, Bobby the Bonnie. Freddie, who's your one idiot? Well, I got two. My first one is Jason Schultz. Does anybody that signs up to run 13 miles as an idiot?

13.1. Did you run the whole way? Yeah. What was your time? Oh, like 152. Two hours? Under two hours. You ran for two hours?

You are an idiot. You're an idiot. You're an idiot. You're an idiot. The 100% idiot. But my, what an idiot. I can't help this. It has to go to the, I don't even know what to call him because he's not really a crew member.

The fan that went over the wall for the 34 car, which I got, I had some of the guys from the team send me some DMs that it was the cousin of an engineer, I believe, that was supplied by a different team that helps Jesse Uji Motorsports out. They wanted to make it clear that it was not one of their guys. but yeah you see in the video I think we tweeted it from Couch Razor I probably retweeted it but the guy you see it playing out like the guy taps him on the shoulder and points like hey catch that tire

and my man springs in action and just jumps over the wall jeans and a t-shirt grabs that tire I mean it in a quick I'll give him credit to the pit box looking they're all like the crew chief throwing the water bottle at the guy to get him out of there so NASCAR's got to do something about that right like they got to I mean I'm sure that guy

won't be allowed in the garage or something Like, what else are they going to do? Yeah, but you got a guy on pit road that, I mean, literally on the hot pit road. But you have to do something to that. And I heard there's rumors of, like right now, obviously, you have a sign guy. You got guys catching the tires that probably aren't suited up. And now they're saying, like, they may have to, everybody that's involved in the pit stop may have to wear a fire suit or something. So, but this guy just is a fan.

You see Jordan Anderson's pictures? Yes. Crazy. It's crazy. He posted pictures of, like, his recovery process. Like of his burns and the. stuff. Yeah. He looks great at the track this weekend. I know why he jumped out. I can tell you that. I mean, we talked about it on the show. He was committed to get me out of this oven. 100%. And I mean, Dale Jr., I think we text back and forth to battle or something, but like, he's like, man, it's 1,200 degrees in there. What are you going to do? I'm getting out. I'm getting out. I'm getting out. I'm getting out. I'm on board with him getting out of the other. So the pictures are bad? I mean, he's recovering well, but it was like scary, man. Like, I see why he did that, made that decision. I can't tell if you're playing dumb right now because I showed you.

these pictures. He's always I don't remember seeing the pictures. Jeff, who is your at the football game? It's his favorite segment. Here we go. Here's your moment. So I wish I could point to finger at somebody else, but no, like, I really have to. Oh, boo.

All right, I mean, I can maybe try to come up with somebody else, but the bottom line is and I just, I feel like I just have to keep owning this. We did preseason predictions. And we did we had to guess what our biggest disappointment of the year was going to be.

And I said, track house racing. You nailed that one. So, Justin Marks actually texted me, I think it was at the start of the playoffs. And he's like, hey, man,

like, just let you know. A lot of respect for you, but I want to let you know that I read your prediction to the entire shop as Bolton board material going into the playoffs. Wow.

You know, like they have their meetings every Tuesday or whatever. That's why you hated. So, now Ross Chastain's in the final four. That's really not that disappointing, I don't think. You know, that was... What did you tell the guys in the shop?

They hated... Justin Marsh needs to write Ross Chastain's check, and now you would check because you were their motivation. And you probably had an apology letter. Yeah, I mean, that was... You know, you always make predictions or something, but that was really like probably the biggest miss I've ever had my entire life.

It's just every time he makes it another round, it's just like, oh, man. That's like... I forget the guy's name from ESPN that said Tom Brom he was going to get to bed because he was getting old. I think it was like Kellerman or somebody. He was like Tom Brady's on a decline. He went out on the Super Bowl that year.

Good job, Jeff. I'll tell you what wasn't a miss was Austin Hill's right hand. So are you okay? Yeah. Get him out to mouth. Hurry up. Don't touch me. I got to give it to, uh, uh, my, because you don't mess with a big old country boy.

I mean, if you're going to get him, get him when he's not looking or something and then run. I mean, do something. You can't be. You can't be out running if you had to. I don't know how you got your ass kick last time, but I'm going to tell you how you got a kick this time. I'm going to like, wonder what he said is set him off.

You probably didn't need the same much at that week. I don't think yes. I can tell you what I heard. We heard something. I heard that he said he told Austin that he's become like ever since he got the RCR or something like that. Ever since you got to RCR, you're, wow. But I felt like this must have gone on for a while.

Matt Snyder. He doesn't remember what he said right before he got knocked out. I've been knocked out. That shit ain't fun. Every time I see something like that, haven't I always think of that. How many times you've been knocked out, Brett? He got a short fuse. In a fight once.

And football morning once. That's it. Awesome. But you said that you're supposed to stand up for yourself. So Maya went to stand up for himself. He didn't stand up for himself. He laid down. I saw it.

He tried. He needs to stand taller. Let me tell you. Here's your best advice. Take a really good friend with you. I saw where. somebody said something like he said he got cheap shot or something like that and I'm like well you went down there you what what did you think was gonna have it was uh it was another short

track so Jeb's handed out dog food again I see him and Rajah going at it yeah he's gonna he said he just they were three wide and I don't know whatever sounded like that I wasn't there we wrecked early but it sounded like I guess he said he claimed he dive bombed him but that's I mean that happens Rajajad drove aggressive I'll give him that man he's a rookie you got to in that race so completely pun to Daniel Hamerick, once again,

if I was Daniel Hammerick, got to turn that kid head on the fence next corner. You can't do that. I promise you. I know.

Are you sure? You can. I mean, sometimes. If you want the rest of the season off, you probably can't. I looked out at Freddie

at one point. Freddie, obviously a Fontana. Bubba got to us and we just, we got behind Bubba and I'm like, Freddie,

remember Fontana? Freddy goes, I'll hook you. Freddy just blindfolds you when he wants to pass you. He just walks behind you, you push your hands over your eyes.

You're like, I can't see against pot. It's a good move. I don't know why everybody else hasn't thought of that. I'm surprised, honestly, you all only had really won one idiot. It's crazy how much love we have on the roof. But in that one second of you're mad at each other, you can hate each other for a hot minute.

But we handle it. We now have two officials instead of one. For a reason. But we handle it pretty well up there. People say, you guys ever get in a fight? It's like, no. Some people get mad than others. Not me.

I'm not anymore. I ain't got mad in a long time. When's the last time you saw me get mad? Tim Minsko. Yeah. Well, that was different. All of this show. Like fighting mad.

I've not been fighting mad in a long time. Daytona? Probably went around. Oh, Daytona? Yeah, I was mad. But I wasn't fighting.

I don't remember you being. I'm not swung anybody in probably 15 years up there. Props to you. No, it's been, it's not been 15 years, I don't think. I think it has been.

It's been, no, man. It's been. When did you go to Chicago? I don't remember. I won't 15 years. No, it was probably a least that. It was a least that.

Chicago's been gone for a lot. I'm 47 now. I hit that guy longer than that. It was at least that. It was at least 15 years. Who is it? I got a guy named Chicago. I hit him as hard as I could hit somebody.

Oh, a guy named Chicago. Yeah. I thought you hit somebody had Chicago. And I hit him as hard as I'm not. No. A shout out to whoever in the elevator told my team that they were asking. They knew that I worked on their team and they said, so do you guys know Brett Griffin? Because I just like to find him and slap him.

So whoever that person is. I want to. same college. Do you have a punchable face? I know. Timmy Hill said so. I'd tell you, the last person I punched was a Griffin, so. It was my nephew. He's an idiot. Okay, let's move on to

Championship predictions. Let's start with trucks. For trucks, we have Rhodes, Zane, where's that at? Chandler and Majeski. P.J., you are up first. Man, I'm going to go a little bit of

surprise here, but man, he's getting hot at the right time. I'm going to go with Ty Majesky. Yeah, that's exactly what I was going to say. Yeah, I think he's running really well. Ready. I will take. I hope Ben Rhodes wins it for the for the interviews. That's what I was going to pick just for the ESPN moment. So if I'm saying,

I hope Ty Majeski wins it. I've been friends with Ty for a while. Me, with Derby, me, Herman, and Ty and Krausk go down there every year. We've been doing it for about 10 years now. So hopeful that Ty Majesky wins. I think I'm going to pick Zane to win, though. Brett.

I won't Ben Rose to win just for what T.J. said. I mean, his press conference last year was legitimately one of the most epic moments in NASCAR press conferences other than maybe Brett Kislauski chugging big beers after he won his. But I want Chandler to win it because he's coming to colleague and I think he's coming into obviously a great organization that Freddie and I work for. You foreshadowing? You need to have winners as part of your program and colleague in the Xfinity series, hands down, the reason they've been uplifted the last few years is AJ Almondinger. Their Cup series got better when he started running every week. The Xfinity Series, he's won a ton of races, man, in the last few years.

So I'll take Chandler to win this thing for emotional reasons. Moving on to the Xfinity Series Championship 4, we have Gregson, Barry, Allgaier, and Gibbs. Freddie, you are up first. It's going to be a battle, obviously. Who thinks he's going to have the best car out of those four? Gregson. I think I think I'm going to go outside the box. I'm going to take Josh Berry.

Man, he's a short track racer. J.G.R.M. Cars are always fast at Phoenix. Algar, we've talked about how good he is there. But I just, I don't know. I think Josh Barry gets it done. I am pulling for Noah. I'm definitely not pulling for Noah because I don't know what that party's

going to look like. I am pulling for Noah for a lot of reasons and I mean the guys won the most races this season he's a fun personality to follow he speaks his mind Are you saying he deserves a championship? I think he deserves a championship I didn't. I know I told him last night.

You have a true not remembering something. What else are you not remembering, Freddy? There's a certain tweet that's got sent out that we disagreed with. I hope I truly look Noah's a I think Noah's in for a wake-up call next year but I hope he wins his race I hope he wins the championship Jeff

Yeah I think I think it's gonna be Noah I mean I just picture that for some reason I mean I think it's been his season You know almond dinner Almondinger didn't make the final four And you know he's another one that's won a few races this year obviously But I think it's it's sort of been the year of Noah And he'll cap it off although it's it is dangerous for everybody that Ty Gibbs decided to let Justin Algeier,

who's really good at Phoenix, into... I mean, we talked about it, but he might regret that. He might regret that Al-Gyre is going for a title at a place he's really good at. Really, really good at. All right, TJ.

I'm gonna, I think he's laying low. I think, like you said, there's no pressure on him. Might not should have been there. The guy is going, that's one of his best tracks. I'm going with Al-Gyre. I think he's just kind of laying in the weeds here.

I honestly could see it's been Noah's year, but I could see maybe the 54 and maybe the nine getting racing it out and maybe getting together a little bit or something. And man, I can tell you who's going to be sitting right there to take advantage of it. I don't think anybody's putting up with Ty gives us crap this week. I don't, and I don't, when you say anybody, I don't think it's, and I think that's throughout the field. Me too.

Like I think every guy. He's going to get raised harder than he's ever been raised in his life. And he deserves it. Yeah. Jeff. He, yeah, I said, no. That's okay.

All right. Moving on to Cup. We have, shut up. We have Lugano, Elliot, Bell, and Chastain. Jeff, you are up first. You know, I was thinking about this. And I think I'm going to go Bell. I'm kind of basing it on the strength of how he did at New Hampshire, which is, you know,

fairly comparable to Phoenix. um that was the the one race he'd won this year before the playoffs and uh you know uh it wasn't that long go i mean compared to like the first phoenix race for instance if you're going to look at that um legano i think you know he's going to have a shot uh you know like he was really strong at gateway but i don't know for some reason i'm thinking bell like it almost feels like a a little destiny going on or something yeah yeah brett man um I think Chase Elliott wins this thing. I think he's the guy.

I think Hendricks are so fast. Their pit crews are solid. And I mean, I don't know. I'm actually an ingredient. I think I think Chase is just kind of, he's still fast, man. He knows how to get it done there. And I think they're going to put everything they can into it.

And I just think it's going to be too much for everybody else. I think you'll have some guys do some pit strategy stuff. I think Joey will do something to get out front a little bit. He's really good at rooting and gouging and making it hard on everybody. But then I just think the speed of the nine will just be a little too much. I agree. I said I think when the playoffs started, Chase was the guy to beat. And I think he's still the guy to beat.

And I think he's just been the most. He faltered a little bit here in the mile and a half the last couple weeks, but still, you know, pointing his way in. And I don't, I just, he's really good at Phoenix. He's always there in contention of last couple. couple years. So I just think he's the got to beat. I would I would love to see the don't give a to or make a stop at the championship victory lane. But, um, you know, I think there's too many people that do give a fuck. Yeah. Oh, yeah. He's going to have a hard rate. You talk about another,

that's another guy. I just not going to wreck him. They're just going to race them. Not about what happened sat. Not about what happened this weekend. Just about. I don't think people mess with it at all. I think he's in the, I think he's in the clear now. I think he just gets, I don't think anybody's going to wreck him. I think he just gets raced hard. I think he only gets race hard by. teammates of guys that are running for the championship. I just, I think that there's a list of guys we've talked about on you before. Yeah, but they don't want to be a part of a slip up and take the guy out of that. Not the championship race.

You don't want to be involved in that. So if there is some sort of crazy thing and there is a penalty that needs to be enforced, what's the penalty since the loss race of the year? That's just going to be fining a bunch of money. I mean, they're not going to throw anybody out for that time. I mean, they could throw somebody out for the clash, I guess, because it's not a points race. but yeah.

Oh, man. Imagine that. If you told some of these guys if you told some of these guys if you're thrown out for the clash, they'd be wrecking everybody

on Sunday. All right, let's move on to DBC Picks. I would like to congratulate my entire team of Brian Mapes and Tyler Reddick on our win

at Martinsville with Brian Blaney. Why do you have to recruit help? Did you not watch the first half of the year? She had two wins after 40 weeks of racing. And they asked to help.

so they want to come to dinner. Tyler would like to participate in dinner. So here's our scenario this weekend. Brett and I are tied with eight wins. So if one of us wins, we win it altogether. I don't deserve to win. I've sucked.

You have the worst playoff ever. Yeah. But Freddie and TJ are tied at seven. So if they win, they tie us, it's the three-way tied for the lead. Okay, so we're having a threesome. Nope. Slinging wieners.

But Casey could win and tie both of you, so it's a three-way tie for last. So she had to see a three-way tie. split the bill. So Casey has more to win here than anybody. So we have to first decide what a tiebreaker would be if Brett and I tie or one of y'all. You give me $300 back. No.

What can be overall number one wins, right? I think it should be whoever has the most top tens in the playoffs. I think it's overall wins. I'm going to do in the playoffs to win a tiebreaker. So I don't have our chart from the end of the year, but we can go see who won the most the most wins. Jeff, you pick last and you just have to pick the winner of the race. That's your task.

So I'm going to give you 10 minutes of prep time. I pick first, right, Casey? Yes. Do I pick first? Yep. Yeah. You got to have a playoff guy if you can because we talk about 110% rule that that literally will exist this weekend.

Like these guys are going to give it. They're all. Christopher Bell, walk off championship winner. You can't. The fuck I can. I don't have Chase Ellie available. You picked Bell already. No, he did.

Oh, you did. She goes. She's on it. Who's next? I don't pick next. Yes, you do. Yes, you do. Why wouldn't you want to pick next if she gives you the opportunity?

You're not a gambler, are you? Man, I mean, like you said, you got to go playoff guy. You've got to go playoff guy. So, and I don't have Bell, and I don't have Bell. We're going to have to talk after this show. Why do you got to wait? You got 20 minutes while DJ makes a pick. I told Gluckie had plenty of notice to pick the winner of the race.

It's pretty plain and simple right here. Who is it? Say it if it's so simple. I really only have one choice. I don't know because I've used the other three and one of them's going to win. There you go. Is it my turn? Yes.

I'll take a playoff guy. Kyle Larson. Solid. Good. Man, he raised like a butthole at the end too yesterday. Wow. Yep. Chase Elliott.

Cassine. There we go. So there's no playoff guys left. No, but who you're picking to win? Just pick, you get to anybody you want. Didn't he already do that? Technically. No, not to win the race.

Win the championship, win the race could be different. Technically. Chase Briscoe won the freaking race in Phoenix. He could pick him in spring. I don't think he's going to do that. Yeah. I'll pick Denny just to be different. I like it.

He's great. How mad do you think Denny was? Not mad, but what do you think? And I usually text Denny on. Sundays. If things go on, I didn't even text him last night. Like, I felt... I think it was probably just shock. Like, I just did everything I needed to do to get in this playoff.

And holy shit, where'd he come from? Like everyone else. But going into, let's break this down. Going into turn three, you're in the championship. Off of four, you're in the championship. I mean, he said, he said halfway through the race, he thought, okay, this is going to be a cake walk. All I have to do is maintain

track position. He didn't maintain track position, and he looked back at regular season and thought, you know, we didn't get enough playoff points. I mean, Pocono DQ would have hurt. There's five points right there that he would have had in this round. You can point out a lot of different situations they've had this year. I think you probably just look at it and be like, you know what?

It's maybe just never going to happen for me. To be in that spot, though, from the beginning of the year that he had, it's pretty good. I mean, remember he was like, I mean, he was back there with us in points. Yeah, he was way down. So. All right, we have one race left. Going into the offseason, Jeff,

what do you think the biggest story? line will be heading into 2023. I guess the Kyle Busch reddick switch comes to mind. I mean, how's Kyle Bush going to do at RCR? You know, I think people are going to be paying a lot of attention to that.

Is it going to be a new start for him? Is he going to be running better? I mean, the eight cars have been running pretty good, so maybe it's a chance for him to start over and sort of get back to form. I mean, clearly, yesterday was like one of the worst races he's had. So, and I think

I think the sport needs that. I think NASCAR needs Kyle Bush to be relevant. I mean, you look at this championship four, and I think they're all deserving to be there, but personality-wise, you know, you don't have a Kyle Busch, you don't have a Harvick, you don't have a Denny,

you don't have, like, you know, Brad, you don't have a lot of guys that are going to sort of move the needle and say stuff and get people talking or talk trash or whatever. And you need that sometimes, right? So I think everybody would be better off

if Kyle gets back, to form. Maintaining relevance in the sport is so hard. I mean, you mentioned Kyle Busch, who was certainly a Hall of Fame guy, two-time champion, 200 race winner across NASCAR platforms. But at the end of the day, Jeff, like, you hit your twilight years. And I mean, I've watched my friend Del Jarrett do it. I've watched guy I referenced earlier, Bobby Labani, Terry Labani, we could go through the whole list of Hall of Fame guys. Darrell Waltrip had to buy a ride from Carl Long to make the Coke 600 at the end of his career when Western Auto was a sponsor. So the question is, does this car save these guys from their twilight years?

I mean, we see how many winners we've had this year. We see how easy it is to be. I didn't expect Bobba Wallace to show up yesterday at Marinsville, which is one of his better tracks and run as well as he did, given what he had going on and given a – but, like, I just – I don't know – it seemed like 45 used to be the number. And then we look at this playoff, and how many older guys are in this playoff? Yeah, no, not many.

And the oldest driver in the championship four is Lugano. He's 32. Everybody else is under 30. So it's crazy. It is crazy. And we talk about age and sports period, right? And obviously you know how long your football career is. Tom Brady is a legend in terms of what he's doing.

But you hit those years. And at some point, it's really hard to stay relevant. And to your point about Kyle Bush being the storyline, I think this is a great idea of what you're saying. Because can he stay relevant going to RCR? I don't know. You talk about driver changes. We heard some rumblings this week of some news on the 41 maybe.

And I could tell you one thing, Cole Custer sure drove like a guy that was trying to make a statement yesterday. He was fired up. He was fired up. You know, you can probably connect the dots. But if it's news about the 41, it's either Cole Custer and Ryan Priest. and and and I'm surprised a billionaire didn't go higher

Kyle Bush if he's going to make a driver change yeah I'm not saying Ryan Priest or Cole Custer should not be in that car but if I if I have Gene Haas money F1 team owner billionaire B I'm going to go get the best guy capital B um silly season is not completely over but it's it's close to over what about spot their silly season what you want to share

your news Brett that you were yeah what you're doing what you're doing next year yeah I don't know yet I mean Chris Rice and I are good friends and I I've told him I'm not spotting an Xfinity series car next year. I simply don't have the time. No, I'm not spotting a truck ever again. Cup wise, look, I want to keep spotting for Justin Haley. But the offer that I made Chris Rice may not be appealing to him, and I get it if it's not.

And it is what it is. Who's the last truck driver you spotted for? I don't remember. I think I could knock this one out of the park. I think it was my Snyder, actually, at Martinsville. At Martinsville. Yeah. T.J.

Let me tell you what happened. I decided under caution at Martinsville, I was not spotting another truck race during the truck race. I think we all say that. And I decided when that NASCAR official that I didn't know was demeaning me and speaking to us as a group in a way I didn't appreciate that I wasn't spotting another Xfinity Series race. Well, that's probably a good thing for them. So mission accomplished. It is. Yeah, they promise you if Brett doesn't have a hard card, that is not a good thing.

for that. I'm going to be a media member because then I can say whatever I want, right? Should be an F-1 medium-maker. I only say half of what I want. Okay. Can you say whatever you want? Do you ever get in trouble? You know, it's a balance.

I mean, it depends. How much he's saying no balance. How much you want to make life difficult for yourself. It is, right. It's like I said earlier, the people who have come up to me about some of your comments, you have great points. You just don't need to be in when you're referencing it. I don't think I'm a . .

Okay. I'm passionate. I'm passionate. That's what I say. All right. What I love about... Casey called you a fucking twice today. I don't care.

I think I said it three times. Here's what I love about the sport is. All the tweets I get are how much they love our show and how great we are for NASCAR and how they became NASCAR fans again or became NASCAR fans to start with because of our show. And then certain people think our show's bad. Which one are you on there, Jeff? What side are you on? Well, I mean, this is my favorite podcast. I love it.

You mean this episode? No, no. This is like the pot. Is it perceived that bad? Oh, I think, yeah, NASCAR,

well, especially, no, I'm saying by the other people. Oh, like, no, not, I'm talking about Brett.

Oh, um, no, I mean, I just think, um, here's what's funny. There's no,

there's no nice way to say, make any point without people in this, we're getting sensitive about the points. I don't think. I don't, I don't, I don't, sure.

I mean, I'm, I'm really bad at that. I'm having a really sharp tongue. And I'm too, overly emotional when things go wrong and I get upset about it. I mean, we, you know, I do a podcast that is immediately after every race and I get myself in trouble with it all the time because we're sitting at the track stuff just happened. And if it's something bad like the roval,

where the sign falls on the track, it changes the playoffs. I'm not in a good place after that. Like, I'm not feeling happy about what I just saw and it comes across. And then I get all these people coming up to me the next week at Vegas being like, are you okay, man? Like, are you? we need to be like worried about you like so I mean I don't know that you could deliver the message in a better way that make people go you know what Brett Griffin has a great point you know I just here here's my favorite thing about all this is um Scott Miller um Tom Bryant Jusine Hamilton if I say something on here they don't agree with they call me they text me they come up to me at the racetrack and guess what I do I come on here the next

week and I try to fix it. It doesn't mean I'm going to fix it, but I try to fix it. So this is an opinionated podcast, obviously. And am I going to get everything right? No, my goal is 90%. If I can swing at 90%. I had somebody tweet me last week. I didn't even reply. You're talking about all these cowbush things. You don't know what you're talking about. Listen to me. I know what the fuck I'm talking about or I wouldn't be talking about it. So I do love a sport and my opinion hurts your feelings is a really, really, really easy option. Don't follow me on Twitter and don't listen to this podcast. Every other sport gets this kind of media attention, but it's funny how NASCAR as a community

is way more sensitive. I think Davis. I think Davis. Casey's f*** sensitive. Look at her. She's all butt hurt right now. I'm not. I'm just saying how I feel.

Her point is, which has been presented to me, not about you, but myself. Like, you know, if you maybe presented this in a different way, people might be more receptive. but I just feel like, and I think that's probably valid, but in this, like Jason just said, I mean, this isn't like the New York sports market where like you could cover the Yankees and say like a bunch of stuff about the Yankees and criticize the players and criticize management, talk about trades and bad moves and the manager. And that's just like what they all do and everybody just accepts it. That's just how things are.

This is so much of like the community, tight-knit family type feel that when you're working in it every week and you have to see the people every week, it's very easy for them to be like, you know what, I'm not going to deal with that guy anymore. Like, I just cut you out. And so that's the balance of everything you do. If you're in a position like you are where this is not your primary source of income or you have another business, I think you're in better shape. But people that have to make their living in the sport, you know, it's a tough, it's a pretty tough balance, right? I think Mike Davis says it best.

And I see it all the time when anybody asks him about DBC. Everything we say, like nobody in this room has a job without. The sport, obviously. So everything we say on here starts from a place of we love this sport and we want it to be the absolute best it can be. And the only time we're going to, we don't, we don't knock it down because we won't want people to stop watching. We knock it down because I get it, try to get it better or try to get things addressed. And we just happen to have a bigger platform than some on here. You know, we have a podcast that we can talk about it. But everything starts from a place of love and our opinions are always just what we think can be the next step to make it a better sport. And I don't. I don't know that that's always well received. And I think if we had nothing to talk about, the sport wouldn't be where it is today. I had the biggest compliment paid to me three weeks ago I've ever had paid to me. And a guy walked up to me, I didn't know him. And he said, Brett, I'll turn around, I thought he's going to swing at me.

Because I do say some stuff here to obsess people. Was it Austin? I'm running if I see that dude. He walked up to me and he said, Brett, I don't, I'll tell you something. I'm like, okay. He said, thanks for being the voice of the fans. So before that, you were my favorite thing, Jeff, because you said this is the most honest podcast in motorsports, right? And now to be a voice of the fans,

which if I get my hard card pulled, I'm going to be the same thing I am then, a voice of the fans. Somebody also tweeted me, is a spotter ever been fine? Probably not because I haven't been. Like, we love you guys. We love the listeners. And I just think it comes down to just literally Jason's favorite word,

content. Right. And it's like I said, Brett, you know I love you. You know when I'm pushing back on what you say, it's because you can sometimes be an ass. But you have great points. You have been in the sport for a while, and it shows.

And I'm saying this now because I will not be on the show next week unless somebody wants to fly me a jet. T.J. is going to get you a plane right home. So I'm saying this because I want to end it on a positive note because I won't be on next week and this is the last show. It's not the last show. Whatever.

We're not closing. We're until the off season. You do have solid points. You are a genius when it comes to the sport. You know more than a lot of people do. She called me a friend. You just got done calling your names. You are a complete jerk in how you say things.

This is how this season. I have no idea. He calls me out as if I hate him. Is it 3 o'clock in the afternoon? What time is it? Oh, my God. We need a beer. Let's go to Phoenix.

Yeah, moving on to Phoenix. What just happened? What just happened? All right. Thank you guys. all for coming on, Jeff. Especially Jeff. Thank you for having me back for the third time.

I hope there's a fourth. I think this is a tradition. I think we have you on every post-Martinsville. Yeah. Charlotte Martin'sville time. I'm down. Next week, Jeremy McMurray, big shoes to fill. Oh, wow.

Yeah. We've got to find a host now, apparently. I think I got somebody. Or does somebody want to fly me back home after the race? You can get you a plane right home. What are you waiting on? I don't have any idea what you're talking about. You got access to four airplanes.

You told me not to get her right. He said whatever. That was being in text. Only show I'm saying you're home. All right. Thank you all so much for listening. Happy Halloween. Halloween.

Have a great week. Whatever. We out. Hey, go bills. Let's go, Giants. This is a production of Dirty Mo Media. Check out Dirty Mo Media. YouTube, Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram.

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