Door Bumper Clear - 278 - L.A. Clash: Pushed Around and Pulled Over

Episode Date: February 7, 2023

The Door Bumper Clear 2023 season is underway as the gang is back from the Clash at the LA Coliseum. Brett Griffin, T.J. Majors and Freddie Kraft talk discussing getting home at 7 am, Austin Dillon wrecking Bubba Wallace and the future of the clash.First up in Spot On, Spot Off, the table discusses NASCAR’s recent rule changes regarding stage breaks at road courses, the choose rule at Superspeedways, Ross Chastain’s Martinsville wall ride, and mufflers. Hear what rules they like and dislike and find out what other rules NASCAR should consider adding.Then, the guys comment on NASCAR’s first podium celebration after the race. They debate if NASCAR should implement podiums for the whole season and discuss why driver introductions were messy.Kyle Busch comments on the race’s 16 cautions and aggressive nature. The spotters explain how drivers should take safety into effect when making aggressive moves and talk about if NASCAR should have started penalizing drivers.Next, the guys discuss Auto Club Speedway not hosting NASCAR races in 2024. Brett explains the importance of having a track in the Los Angeles market and tells the table what track NASCAR should consider going to in the area.Finally, the spotters explain why teams are asking for more than double their league revenue from NASCAR in the next charter agreement. Hear how teams could benefit from the revenue increase and why NASCAR should consider taking charters away from certain teams.In Reaction Theatre, hear about reaction to Fox’s TV coverage of the race and Austin Dillon’s move on Bubba Wallace. Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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All right Everyone we're back I'm T.J. Majors Spotted the Six Cup car this weekend We only had one series there So Back in studio Still alive

Who you spot for another series? I can't tell you Yeah, you can't I don't know yet Got Josh Barry and Exfinity right I do yeah I got Josh Barry You're doing a truck? Yeah. Who is it? Chris Wright.

Chris Wright? Mm-hmm. Who's he driving for? Tyler Young. Oh, I like Tyler Young. Brett Griffin, Spotter for Collie Racing. I watched the clash in L.A. from my couch. I got plenty of sleep last night, unlike these two peers of mine. What?

That's Freddy Craft. Spotter for Bubbault Wallace last night. The bulldozer. The bulldozer. Yeah. I was sure we smoked everybody, just our boss. Yeah, going on no sleep Got home at 7 a.m. this morning

And seven? Seven? Like home at 7 or landed at 7? In my house at 7 a.m. Sun was up. Oh, yeah. Damn. We were a little bit later because normally JGR has two planes

But because there was no pick crews out there. We only had one plane. And so we had a wait on Truex. And that gang likes to get after it. So I'm sure that they were there for Victory Lane and then had 27 beers or so before they came to the plane. I don't blame them. No, I don't blame at all.

I would do the same thing. So it is part of it, you know, hopefully. At that point, maybe to spend the night. That's what I was saying. Lambert looked at me on the green one with like 10 to go and he said, I need you to do me a favor. He's because Martin was leading. We were third on a restart.

And he's like, why don't you go ahead and just wreck you and Martin so we don't got to wait all night on the plane? He wasn't kidding. No, he was. What's up, Casey? Hey guys, Casey Boat here. Your vice president of marketing and babyson. Vice president?

What did you go? I got a promotion. You got a promotion? I'm going to do myself. Especially with how this show is going to get started. Well, Martin Tricks Jr. finally got a win. I thought Bubble was close. I don't know about you, Freddie.

But I hear somebody like your boss might have gave you the blame for this week too. So just something to throw out there. I don't think that's true. He might have gave me the blame for knocking his ass out of the way. but I don't think you could blame me. Out of the way. You knocked him like 20th. Well, we only knocked him to the second.

The other guys passed him. After that, I don't know what happened. Got all this stuff on his tires and you couldn't get going again. I think that pretty much sums up the entire race. We only moved him from first to second. It's not my fault. Everybody else passed.

All right. Well, besides that little minor detail, I know TJ, you have nothing to show for the actual race. But how about the earlier parts? Like when you're not spotting that race and you're sitting there, It's, yeah.

Well, we're talking about it later. I think one of the topics. I think the best thing for me is watching the heat races, right? And they're showing drivers that are not in the heat races on the infield. And as their peers are out there driving like complete idiots and knocking one another out of the way, they're literally laughing. And if this were a serious weekend, they would not be laughing. They would be, they would be pissed because people are racing that way. and all I can tell you is

there wasn't a lot of integrity in those races I saw a clip of Justin and someone else like always wrecking it like Yeah but there were several versions of that Legano was doing it A lot of drivers were shown Literally laughing at how they were essentially driving

Through one another with no respect I mean like when you moved any Did you move to any or did you get hit from the back Going to back It looked like the perfect storm Like we got into them first on Like what happened was it was a restart. We started second

a hole just big enough for us got in between Danny and Martin so we kind of crammed in there into three and like we were on Danny. Martin Martin just not hit us but just bumped us and it was like a little chain reaction like boop boop and Danny was gone and I was like oh. Everyone's driving off each

other so if one guy in the front drives in a little deep they're all driving in that deep and then all got a hit. It was just like the thing about it is like short track racing is an art. TJ, I'm sure you race like Concord stuff. But I'm

saying like it takes skill to go in there and move a guy. It doesn't take skill to go in there and just drive through a fucking guy. Yeah. Yeah. Like yeah, it was pretty. Yeah. And on most short tracks have character or some sort of technique you can use

aprons and you can move a guy and shuffle them up a little bit, get going again. This is just these cars are so solid. There's nothing. They're not going to push a left rear fender into a tire or something like that's what we used to fight back in the day you're going to let for you not the um quarter pen on the tire there's not that's not happening these guys it's literally like going to rental carts and not lifting it it is that's exactly what it looks like it looks like we're

at merdle beach on on rental carts yeah we're at the speed park yeah at concord mills just knocking the crap out each other yep and without baby powder yeah i i love the baby powder days so did you fought home with Brad last night. Yeah. Yeah. So what are his thoughts, man? Obviously part owner in the team. That's the second year in a row you guys have gone out there and struggled.

Like, what was his demeanor like? Um, you know, I really definitely, by the time the last chance or LCQ, whatever they were calling it, consulate, whatever they're calling that ended, we were where we should have started, you know, but we're, you can't do that now. You're so far behind. Everyone else has made adjustments and gotten better. And everyone was faster this time, too. a little bit and you just can't start off behind like that we just you know I thought we would

unload a little bit better um this place has been by far last year we it was our worst place and you know this is I hate that we missed it but if you're going to miss one like to me this is a nine points race it's not we race nothing similar to it the rest of the year you know you want it sucks because the atmosphere is really cool and you want to be out there beating and banging stuff but um i think daytona coming up next is a really strong place to go and rebound and i feel like this fuels brad pretty good for going into that like he's going to come out and want to lead every lap of every race he's in next week you know so um i mean i it's bad but it's also

got some you know some motivational things to it to build off of and um you know it's there's not a lot of real racing at this track. It's just a one-off event, like you say. If somebody was close enough to True X that last corner, he's probably not winning that race. And we saw that throughout the field. It becomes, you hit me, I bump you, and then you just wrecked the guy.

And we actually got spun out. For last. Well, that's that way. Like, I don't know what the hell has wrecked you. Yes. This is the type of racing that you have. We catch him past him. and he hit everything you could hit

when it went green. He went in turn one, hit something with the front, hit someone on the right side, went out the corner, ran somebody up, and that's just how it is there. So the bad part, I mean, we need to be better. We need to not put ourselves in a situation where he can run over us, but it's like for seventh or something like that.

Everything spread out. Well, he needs a caution because he knows he's going to go into the corner on a restart and blast his way through, which he did. And that's not racing. like that's not racing to me but you make your own luck we put ourselves in that position so we're ultimately responsible for being in that spot but that's the mentality these guys have you know with that track oh there's a car there and I'm a little better I need a caution I'm just going to wreck them down here bring the caution out and you know to me you know for an incident like that and there's plenty of them

but that's pretty obvious to me that that that was brought out for that reason in my opinion but don't give him, make them choose, or make him line up tail in, don't choose or whatever. You know what I mean? I don't mind the hard racing. I don't mind these guys beating and banging. Like, but what you're talking about,

just getting wrecked for no reason and the move that Austin Dillon made? There was a reason. There was a reason. It was for his benefit. Right, right. But realistically, that's not the way you're supposed to play this game. And I mean,

Austin Dillon just flat ran you over. Yeah. I mean, from three car leagues back. He braked early. Like, yeah, we break, period. That was the problem, I think. You know, that's what I was, I seen.

So obviously, I, every, anything happens to Bubba, like social media is like one of the best places in the world to look at. And they're like, I seen as like, well, Bubba deserved that. He was beating him up for a lap. What happened? Well, on restart, we were on the outside of Austin. And he ran us in the wall down the front stretch. So Bubba, yes, got in line behind him and moved him. Moved them.

Up the hill. We're underneath him. Now we race side by side. He comes off at four and right, right, left turns us into the inside wall or tries to. We stay in there three wide, make another lab. Then he lines up behind us. and just chaos us. And I'm like, they're like, oh, well, Bubba was roughing him up for two laps.

Okay, we roughed him up. But he was still second or third, wherever he was behind us. He goes into corner and just cleans us out. Like, no chance at all. We were going to be able to make that corner. The drivers know how solid these cars are. And let me tell you something. Bubba got hit early in the race.

I don't remember. Briscoe, maybe somebody early, like lap 20 or so. And the first thing he said was, we didn't fix the back of these things. Like, that hurt a lot. And that was just a shot in the middle of the corner. Like not like, oh, wow, that looked big. Probably didn't hit anybody more than what everybody. I mean, everybody.

Oh. It was easier. Up front for us, obviously, because it wasn't, from like sixth to 12th was a war zone. Like that was just, it was ridiculous. And but like up front, we could, you know, you'd get into a guy a little bit. But like Austin still, even earlier in the runs, like we weren't great after the break. We were really good before the break. After the break, for whatever reason, we couldn't get our stuff warmed up enough to fire off good.

so Austin would just, we were running on normal line and Austin was like just running into our left or quarter panel shallow entry never going to make the corner but just kept running into our left arena. I'm like, I guess you got to move down and block this off like I don't know what the hell he's doing. You have to. But, you know, so it's just like it wasn't so dirty

up front but at the pack man they were literally killing each other. The top three or four were okay. After that it was. It was literally a war zone. Yeah. If I'm within a half of three quarter car length, I'm diving there.

I mean, you're going to give me a room where you're going to come down. I mean, you're going to like that's kind of what happened with Ross and Denny. Denny went in there like normal and Ross just flat out, drove it in deeper, went further left and hooked him. It's back. Don't give a fuck. Don't give a fuck. I don't think it ever went anywhere.

There was a bunch of people on them that don't give a fucking tour yesterday, though. I think Harvard was on it. I see somebody's. Do you think that there's a difference between this year and last year because last year I know there was like a part shortage, this was a new car? I mean, do you find that, like, you know, that's why they were much more aggressive? I wanted to think that. they would have been a little less aggressive

knowing that they could hurt each other from these rear impacts, but apparently they didn't give me. I don't think. It was definitely, it was more aggressive this year to me. Oh, 100%. Like it was more of, there was a lot more. You bumped me.

I'm wrecking you. Like straight up. Besides the obvious multiple cautions and on track action, did you guys find the race itself or the event itself went well? Listen, the crowd was great again. And I've seen everybody where I was getting multiple text messages before the race started. Where's everybody at? Listen, if you've never seen an event in Los Angeles, nobody goes until like it's halfway over.

And first, I heard a rumor that the tickets that the tickets that they sold advertised it was a 5 o'clock start. So they didn't even have the heat races on there. That's why there's nobody there for the heat races. And then, but by the time we got to racing, it looked like the same crowd we had last year. I thought the crowd was great. It was half full. If it's half full, that's 40,000 people. So for all the people that say we got to go to Bowman Gray

because we can't sell out the Coliseum, 40,000 is roughly two to three times what Bowman Gray holds. So just stop talking. They do it right there. Yeah. The atmosphere is good. I mean, I thought the talent is something

we've never seen, I feel like, for any other race. That's what my struggle was. Watching from home, right, being there last year, phenomenal events, so glad I got to work there. But my struggle is, like, if you've got a Gwen Stefani or a Blake Shelton or an Ice Cube or Wiz,

however you say his last name. Califa. Like you would think they would sell 15 to 20,000 tickets on their own if somebody of that statue is performing. And then if we've got a race in town and it's our number one market, you would think we'd sell another 30 to 40,000 tickets

and then the place would be damn near full. I think it holds roughly 80,000 people. So that's what I guess confused. uses me is the fact that you're in LA, you're in an entertainment market. Who do you have to hire to play a halftime to sell more tickets to get in front of more fans? And at the end of the day, if it's your number one market, why can't you sell it out anyway? That's what I don't get. Because we're going to go to Daytona Beach, Florida, and we're going to have people travel from all over the country and even world. And we're going to sell 200,000 tickets. And I know it's a Daytona

500. This was an exhibition race. But for me, in LA, we should be able to sell that out. And I'm not fussing about the people that weren't there, the fact that it was half empty. I'm just saying I think we can sell it out. We just don't know how to. And I'm not saying I have the answers. To add to that, the fact that the Grammys were at the exact same time and the same location. Two miles away. Yep. I mean, I'm on traffic. Yeah, but how many people get to go into the Grammys? How many people are in there? I was more referencing talent. But we had talent there. I mean, there was there was more talent there yesterday than we've ever had at a race in my entire life. Yep.

I mean, when I look back and read the names, I was like, wow. There was people that like weren't even advertised there that I saw. They were there. Kishon Johnson was tweeting from a suite somewhere. Like, you know. Chocolal. Yeah. Your C guy.

My personal opinion from somebody who was not at the track, I think they did a great job for what it was. It was an exhibition race. They brought a ton of people to the track, the entertainment at the track during the race, as well as around the track with different activations they had. It seemed like it was a success. overall for what it was. It's such a great venue.

Who, did you know who that, who was that, young potatoes or whatever his name is? I don't know. There's a bunch of young people. Young gravy. Yeah,

that's it. Somebody, he's tall. Somebody. That guy walked by and he stands out because he's gigantic and his hair is all over the place.

And Nick Payne, that's spotting for Tyler Rick this year's like, that's young gravy. And I'm like, who the, what the, what,

you just say young gravy? The guy's name is gravy. I'm so old. Like, I feel like everybody in rap now is young something. Like, it's like young, Young money.

In like eight or ten years, the old green. Baby. Now we're going to go baby gravy. So are we thinking the clash stays of the Coliseum next year or do we move it? I want to move it. I would like to move it. I think, I mean, we're probably getting ahead of ourselves again on the sheet. Sitting in the stands watching, I don't see it being.

I want to go to San Diego. I want to go to Charlotte. Look, I will say this. Being in this industry has been awesome. but speed weeks, the way we used to have it, we would go down on Wednesday, and we would stay down there for 10 or 11 days, and there was something on track every day,

except Monday, Tuesday, then they ended up running evolution or whatever. We'll never have that back, but man, I do miss that. I do like the clash, though. I like to see it move around, and I hate, listen, I hate to say this, but it needs to go back to where it's poll winners.

Pole winners and your champion. I was going to say Daytona and earn your way in. Everybody else make them earn their way into the race. Don't start all those cars because they made the playoff or they won a stage or they farted sideways. It just seems like every year we come up with a new way to get more cars in. Now they just did away with it. There's no, there's no requirements anymore. It's just everybody's got to go.

Well, we had a provisional yesterday. No, he's talking like, okay, so the two. Who's allowed to go around and everybody? But he made it because he was the highest finish of points guy that didn't make it. No, you didn't make it. You didn't make it. You're done. No.

So I am all about going. back to the poll said make that poll be what gets you into the clash and make everybody else get there and earn their way into it. But anyway, San Diego, that'd be my vote. Yeah. I mean, as far as the clash went. Hawaii. Let's move to Hawaii.

It might as well at this point. Why not? My Pige's as expensive. We go to Irwindale. As big as I will say, as big as a she show as that was yesterday, the best car probably won. Truex, I thought, was probably

consistently the best car. all weekend and for what it's worth like you said if somebody if the three was anywhere near him I promise you he would have dumped him because I know that's a three oh no it was anybody but I'm just saying the three because he was second but fastest car got a big enough gap yeah yeah so good that was good well I know Joey won the clash last year and went on to win the championship could this be martin's year again could be a lot of races between yeah I'd say so well before we had in the spot on spot off I want to give a warm welcome to our amazing new producer Andrew who doesn't have a mic right now but he's how do we know he's amazing

what I was saying well I you can't even get his own mic to work I mean let's his mic doesn't even have a cord this he can't be that good he's got a air gap this is the amazing guy that also we know the story Andrew Diesel Curlin's here folks feel all my dad's cars and gas pile I'm gonna throw some diesel waste there y'all are the worst from now on if anything goes wrong on this show do not blame Jason do not tweet Jason, although you probably still can, tweet Andrew because, you know, it's his deal now. And he even looks more like Reddick than Jason does. Oh, actually, that is valid.

You would really pass for Redic-wise, too. Damn. Oh, Casey, why you got to go there? What? I'm sure. I can say it. Here we go. It starts right now with Casey.

Here we go. All right off the gate and sold off. Let's head into spot on, spot off. Spot on. Spot off. It goes like this. Spot on means you agree. I'm spot on.

Are you joking me? He's lost his mind. Oh, and by the way, no one ever seems to agree. And then spot off means you disagree. Spot off. Here we fucking go. This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. But if you're T.J.

Um, uh, uh, there's only one correct answer. I don't know. It's time for spot on, spot off. First topic, NASCAR announcement. changes for the 2023 season, which includes caution-free stage breaks at road courses, adding the choose rule to Super Speedways, penalties on the future Ross Tassain style moves, and use of mufflers for the clashed and Chicago. Spot on, spot off, TJ.

That's a lot of... Which one of the seven questions for you want to answer? All of it, all together. Can you repeat the question? You have the show from the idiot. Oh, now you're an idiot. I mean, sling in like a jerk. Swing an insult.

Wound up. All right. I'm sorry, Andrew already for her. We apologize for Casey's behavior. I mean, he can't say it. He's, I'm saying what he's thinking. We got a new producer and we're getting ready to have a new host.

All right. If you don't quit, if we're into the show. You know, I think there's a lot of good changes in here. Obviously, we've talked about a lot of the stuff that's on this list, but it's the interesting part to me here is, going to be the choose role at Super Speedways. You like it or don't like it?

I kind of don't like it. Let me ask you this. I don't know where I stand on this because I have to see it, I think. Because I can't imagine. I can't imagine. So, you know, we know all these teams try to work together and all the cars get looked. And I saw everybody's like, well, this is dumb because they're just going to all line up in the same row and go. And I'm like, in my mind, I can never picture that 10 Chevys are leading the pack.

And we go to choose and all 10 Chevys take the same lane. Like, is that going to happen? If Denny's eighth in line, is he going to shoot? It's not happening. I mean, I don't know. I don't know what to think. Like the part, I think it can work if you get three or four guys that are completely dedicated to each other.

Like we've seen happen and maybe some exfini races like that. And I think that can affect the outcome of the race. Oh, I even qualify anymore. Just do the choose rule from the beginning and let everybody pick where they want to start, pull a pill. I mean, this is, I think this, I don't like to choose rule anywhere to be honest with you, but we got to the point to where places like Bristol, the top row had such an advantage that you were screwed if you were on the bottom. So like at a place like that, I didn't mind it, but having it everywhere, I'm not a fan of it.

I don't know, man. I personally think not stopping for the stages at road courses is brilliant. We've talked about it on here before. They need to implement the same rule of super speedways because it'll change the way these manufacturers are able to. to manipulate the stages based on fuel strategy. They back it up just like they would a road course. I don't remember all the other changes. What about the Ross Chastain move?

Whatever. I mean, I think your job as a race car driver is going as fast as you can. And he went as fast as he could. And they obviously didn't like the way he did it. Mufflers, who cares? I don't care. Literally yesterday, Brett texts me and asked me if the car sounded different. And I said, uh, Herman, are we running mufflers?

I had no idea. So that's how different they sound. They are. I mean, the reason I, like if at Phoenix test, we back to back it so I could tell, you know, you could hear a difference. It's, it definitely drops it. It's not quite as loud. Yeah, I'm just saying they're not quiet. You can still hear a race car out there.

But to me, like if you're standing there, like at Phoenix, it wasn't the, the, you know, like, oh my gosh, career is really quick here. I mean, it was still a race car going by, but it wasn't, you know, that piercing. I mean, I didn't mind them. I the biggest thing I want to come out of these rule changes with I heard which I'm congratulating I heard Brett you're going to be the one that's going to run the cone out there for the dirt races can you wear the white pants like it's show you know the dirt race obviously we paint a box on the racetrack I'm assuming we're going to go to a cone for that one so somebody I want to know who the guy is that they're going to sign up for that move well they'll go a single file after a while yeah as soon as it's the dust cloud again um stages I mean we beat it to death on here they finally finally did it. Thank you for listening. Are you taking your credit for that one? I mean, all three of us together. TJ gets the credit for the metal podiums.

Talk about that. Yeah, we didn't talk about that. We will. We will. I think it's in the show. Chastain move, as I did before, I disagree with Brett. I think you need to protect these guys from yourself,

especially in this car. We can't be. They're going to hurt you. If you let them continue to hurt themselves, they're going to continue to do it. We saw yesterday. Someone's going to get hurt if that keeps up. But the thing about that rule,

I wanted to ask you guys about was a place like Darlington. How does that rule get applied? You know what I mean? Like if you slide in the corner, you're coming to the checker, you're racing the shit of somebody. You slide in the corner, get in the fence and like, you're not going to stop and like, oh, I better get off the wall here. Like, you're going to continue on.

Like, is that illegal now? But is it the time, like how the amount of time you spend on the wall maybe? I mean, I think if you're a ride for an advantage, I don't think it should count. It's kind of, but it's kind of like if you get in there, Like we've seen it before. Somebody tried it last year or two years. Larson, I think it was.

Larson's the one that almost work. Is that illegal now? I'm assuming that's illegal now, right? That's a good question. You know, I was Kellynne Sawyer. So like some of these other rules, there's a new pit road rule we got coming that is really, really murky.

Yeah, that's going to change things up. What about the DVP clock shortening? Well, it's not really shortened. It went to 10 minutes from 6 last year. Now it's back to 7. but I think 10 minutes was just for the playoffs, right?

And it went back now for seven. That there's, what else was there? Like I said, we talked about it. What is the pit box thingies? So you can't, so you can't, they're doing it to protect the front tire changers on the car in the pit stall behind you.

And it's very not cut and dry, in my opinion. Who was the guy last year that kept trying to pin that guy? Was it Brandon Jones? Who was it? No. Riley Hurts. Yeah. He consistently was screwing that guy.

Yeah. So that's illegal. So basically there's going to be, if you look at a pit road map, there's going to be a box, the lines for the pit boxes, there's going to be an orange box just outside of that and the corner of every pit box. And if all four of your tires are underneath that orange box, and there's somebody in that. This is where it gets murky.

It's going to be hard to even understand what I could put. If there's nobody in the boxes around you, I assume it's just your standard. You can drive through two pit boxes like normal. 103 pit boxes. But if there's a car in the box and you're coming around him and you go underneath that orange box, it could be a penalty. So you're following me down pit road. I'm pitted right in front of you.

I can drive through your box. If I'm following you. Yeah, you're following me. You're not there yet. With the same order on pit road. You're not, you're behind me. You can drive through whatever you want.

Like if there's no, like if I'm coming or am I coming around you or my. No, I'm going. You're right behind me. So like, so that's what I talked to Bubba about a little bit was if a guy's following. you down and it's and it's the same order. The front tire, he's going to be jumping. Yeah.

So like I said, you could, you could essentially throttle up and be aggressive getting into your box and potentially cause a penalty because that guy might not think he's not actually coming around somebody

but you're going to be pulling in that for a change is going to be running out there. Is it a penalty? There's a lot of great. The words, maybe a penalty should never show up in the rule book. Like I hate,

I hate that like could be a penalty, maybe a penalty. It should be this is a penalty or this is not a penalty because now you're opening yourself up to so many you know, implications of,

oh, that's it. That's favoriteism, this, that the other thing. And there's another orange line that I'm not even sure what that's going to be

for yet. So you're saying basically, even with the wall writing stuff, you're saying, I mean, if that's the case, if you go in there and plan it on the wall

on purpose, try to make up ground, it should not count. Yeah. But I'm just saying, even if you don't do it, like a place like Darlington, it's very easy to get in there,

get loose, chase it up into the wall. Well, you see these guys, to come off of it, though, But I'm saying, but if you, if you get loose, hit the wall, throttle up, drive around the guy. Is that a penalty?

I mean, you know, like. I would say if you use a wall to pass a guy, I would say it's probably a penalty. It's just so much discretionary. Would you been able to make the move without the wall? No. Exactly. That's what I'm saying. It should be a penalty, but I don't know if it is going to be.

Going back to the pit road box, whatever that rule is now, how do you even practice that or is that like a crew member has to tell them, hey, the guy behind you is going to be pitting. Well, no, it would just be up to, uh, suspect. spotters or the crew chief to tell them, listen, someone so is going to be, you're coming around, we do it now anyway. You know,

you're coming around the six or the 23 is going to be in the box in front of you. So basically qualifying might, is going to be even more important now. Your pit box selection is going to be your, it's going to be important for you to not have a car, a good car behind you on. That's what I'm saying. Do you now pick an opening in instead of an opening out?

You know what I mean? Interesting. All right, moving on. the top three finishers received medals after the race in NASCAR's first podium celebration. Spot on, spot off, Brett. Oh, spot off. We're not in the Olympics. Let me ask you a question.

You were watching it on TV, were you still sober and awake at this point? Yes. Did they show it on television? Yes. Okay. They should them walk up to the podium. They showed them get on a podium. And honestly, it was very jovial.

It was pretty cool. I know T.J. has been pushing for this for a while, and I would like to see it legitimately, T.J. everywhere. Because, because not only did they go get on a podium, they got on a podium where everybody at the racetrack could see them. They walked up into the stands. And there is a way to make this possible. Because I remember when Elliott won Fontana back in 2004,

Victory Lane was at the end of the garage building. And by the time I got there, one, it was over, but two, the fans couldn't even see it. And then they ended up moving at some point to the, you know, close to the front stretch. But like this gave the fans, they literally walked up amongst the people. I mean, and it was really, really cool. If you can't do it in the stands, I think bring that guy, bring the top three to the front stretch, bring your trailer up there, ready to pull out of the turn one road real quick. And you rope it off like they do.

you put some barriers up, let the people down there, rope it off. You know, you got to rope off right there, but let them get close. I mean, you see how F1 goes and gets in the middle of everybody. And the way they did it yesterday, it was awesome on TV.

It looked awesome in person, and we need to do that everywhere. The only thing I have to say spot off about was, I didn't, I didn't know that it stayed this way, but I seen a picture of somebody posted from the Coucher account that they were in the wrong order. Like the,

I didn't even know. I would have thought, I don't know what the right order is to start with, but, why wouldn't second be a lot higher than third? Like it looked to me like... It's supposed to be... It's supposed to be first is obviously center.

If I'm facing the driver. If you're facing the driver, obviously center highest should be the driver in first place. Second place should be on your left, a little bit higher than third place on the right. Okay. Well, to me, second, third were the same height. And they were flip-flop.

Yeah. Well, I didn't know they were flip-flop at the time. But that would have been a problem. But that's an easy fix. But the... I mean, look, If you imagine that they had to walk up there and Austin Dillon had wrecked Martin Truex on the last lap. And Martin finished third and Austin won and Kyle finished second or whatever.

Like it would have been even more epic. Do you remember Lewis and Max when they parked their cars and get out? Everyone was like, oh. They'd elbow each other on the way by. Not to change the subject. But what do you guys think about intro is introducing them as a team? That was horrible. That was horrible.

That was terrible. They literally walked out there and then they stood. like they didn't know what through their hands. It was super awkward. I was going to save this from my wood idiot, but I'll just get into it now. Whoever thought that good idea, it was a good idea to hire that comedian

to do driver intros who didn't know anything about the sport. Let's never do that again. Or at least try to find somebody that's funny if we're going to get a comedian. I thought it was really funny, honestly. I missed this whole segment. I miss on. You are probably a few.

I can't even comment on this. I only heard about three intros and they were the stupidest jokes I've ever heard in my life. And the guy didn't know what he was. was talking about. So he was pretty bad. Yeah.

He said that Kyle Bush has the most wins in the history of the sport. I don't know if that was a joke or he just didn't know what he was talking about. He did say that. Can you confirm? That's why I was saying it was funny. I'm going to go with both. He also got Kevin's Harvard. He called Kevin Kyle.

So I thought it was funny. I'm sure you love that. That's not funny. That might have been playing. He said it was front row sports. He called it. He got the team name wrong. Front row sports.

We're sports franchises. We're driver of athletes. That's not. funny. It's the same guy that has done a couple in the past. No. You know where to talk about that guy.

This is a guy just promoting a TV show on Fox. Animal control. All right. Moving on. Kyle Bush says this race was a disaster with the disrespect from everybody just driving through each other. And to note,

it resulted in 16 cautions compared to only five from last year. Freddie, spot on, spot off. Yeah, I mean, spot off. We talked about it. It was just, it was killer be killed. Honestly, it was, it was, was that was how it was and and there was no like tj said it was you could bump a guy move him up

the hill go buy him i consider that clean like i mean there's ways to do it and wait like if you come from 10 cars back and knock the guy at the race and go by him that's one thing but if you're you've run a guy down you've caught him you give him a little shot move him up to hill go buy him that's a clean move to me not here like this was if you did that the next corner you were probably getting lit up by whoever was back there or if that guy got shuffled back two rows he didn't care because he's going to drive both of those rows into you. Some of the stuff I saw yesterday was just the heat races were ridiculous. The one time I laughed, Danny and Bell were on the front row of a heat race.

And I think Bell was on the pole and they told me they were going to do a teammate restart. I was like, that's not going to work. Like, I don't, it's going to be bad. I mean, it worked, but they were all like the, everybody else knew it. So like the 14th trying to shove the 20 in there, the 99th. Tyler was, Tyler was fifth. And I was like, just go to the bottom. because they're all going to go flying.

Like, and sure enough, Tyler came out of there, third on the bottom, three wide. I was laughing. But, uh, yeah, that, like, it's just, there's just no respect. And I don't understand like we talked about, like these cars, we know they can't take shots in the back and nobody really seemed to give a shit yesterday. TJ. No, Kyle's right. It's just, uh, it's not a, not a blow for blow here.

It's, uh, you know, it's a jab with a haymaker to follow. And it's There's no respect I mean if I They literally have the same Like I bump you You wreck me So I don't know

I mean I watched it I'm spot off for Kyle Bush Period I mean they came out He had speed Quiet race for him By the ring being turned I mean he came from the back The freaking second

I thought he had an opportunity there to win Then he obviously wasn't fast enough And then he let Austin go Because he saw Austin was faster than him But great debut for him And I agree with his comments on the fact that they all race like a bunch of idiots.

He drove a smart race. And he didn't force anything. He lifted. Right. He didn't go in there and be anyone's bumper off from the part that I saw. He drove a really smart race. Like the thing about it is

there's no reason not to drive like that because NASCAR does nothing to police it. Like there, why would you not wreck the guy? Because there's no consequences. I mean, I'm not going to lie. But is it an exhibition race one where they should be

if it's just an exhibition race, not for points? I mean, I don't know. Like, but you can't be upset about the rate. Like if NASCAR is happening. with that product yesterday, then let it go. But, like, you can't go in a meeting today and ask her and go, I don't know what the hell we're going to do.

That 16 cautions was ridiculous. If you keep the guys the office for there so much, that race is a lot, a lot more, pretty boring. Well, I disagree there because I think that, like, you can't. I'm not saying it took us forever to run 10 laps in that second stage. I know. Like, literally forever. I look up and I was like, we started a 75 to go.

It's 64 to go. And I feel like it's an hour later. Like, like, I get it. there's got to be some giving tape, but when you just see, and a lot of times it's the same person. Like you see the same guy's like, Jesus,

this guy's going to do this again. I couldn't watch it, but I was reading headlines and it was the same names that kept popping up. This guy's around again. This guy's around again. It's like, man, like if you just send the message one time,

like that's not okay, it probably calms a lot of it down. It's where it's not. I don't mind the bumping. Yeah. I think, I think if you can, if you can calm down the like what Austin did to us.

Like that's, that's not, that was just, I'm mad at Bubba and I'm taking them out. If I spin you, I should go to the back too. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. If they do anything to police, like you can see, some of them are just blatantly intentional.

There's also something there, like the fifth guy back that knocks him in a way. But if you can't really. If you just police it one time and go, all right, you're going to the back for that. Well, then you know what? That sends a message to a lot of guys that, all right, I can't just, I got to move the guy.

I can't just go back in there and wreck them. Yeah, like awesome probably should have got a penalty for just wrecking you. Yeah. So. Auto Club Seedway announces they won't Run a NASCAR event in 24 after plans continue to convert the track into a short track. How about TJ, spot on, spot off?

I'm excited to go to Auto Club Speedway. I'd like to, um, had a good race going there last year. Something happened? Yeah, something happened. All right. What happened? Harrison Burton ran into us after I spotting. Freddie wrecked me running like top five too.

Took all the wind out of our sales here. But that was after you wrecked a bunch of people Daytona, right? That's different. That's different. Of course it is. I mean, I like Fontana. It's a good racetrack.

I love Fontaine. Are you upset? They're changing it. Yeah, I mean, I've always liked Fontana. I think it's a good track. It's got character. It's you got to be able to run the wall. There's guys that can move down.

We always consider this one to be our LA market. It better be badass. We consider this to be our L.A. market racetrack. I mean, you're probably 25 miles from L.A. and 14 hour drive. Yeah. Something like that forever.

No, honestly, it's really close to L.A. So I think it's unfortunate we got to take a year off, but I see a lot of things popping up of they're not going to take it off. They're going to figure out a way to make something happen. So I don't know if they have enough. Let's try to be nice here. I don't know if they realize there's a really good racetrack named Irwindale. Right there.

Right there. And they could make that really nice because I, I saw last year some racetracks such as Iowa do some really innovative things to get a cool fan experience at a racetrack that wasn't really ready for, you know, 30, 40, 50,000 people, right? So that's a great racetrack. It is. It's an L.A. market. That race track is probably top three to five racing short tracks in the country. And there are certain tracks that have a fan affinity with them.

fans are going to go because it's at Irwindale fans are going to go because it's at IRP fans are going to go because it's at you know used to be Hickermel Speedway Myrtle Beach like fans love that racetrack What kind of racing you get when you put these guys close together In a short track like Irwindale with multiple lines You're going to have a lot of side by side

You're going to have some beating and banging And it's just fast enough where they're not It's fast enough where you're not going to run over each other like the call So you're going to be able to be in Bangalwood but you're not going to it's fast enough there where you can wreck pretty good So, I mean, the same thing with IRP or whatever it's called. I mean, that's another great racetrack.

Like, the layout of the Coliseum makes you want to wreck somebody because of the way the corner entry is and the way the corner exit it is and it's so tight, it's so small. I mean, we, and I know there were some rumors out there that NASCAR was looking at making this point trace, you couldn't put 40 cars on that racetrack. No, no, that, for there's 47 different reasons I came up with why that cannot be a point race. and be able to ride around under caution single foul. We could not do it yesterday with 27.

So there's a bigger issue here, too, is if you wanted to make a deploy race, you would have to make it where you could get to pit road safely and you could not get to pit road safely there. Yeah. Yeah, we saw that yesterday with the 34. Like, 34 breaks, and they're yelling at it for two laps to get in the infield.

He can't do it. Like, he can't turn in, you know, like a hit. Yeah, like he tried to turn in there, but there's just the only way to turn in there is swing out wide off of two. And guess what? The whole tracks cover a race car. So you can't swing out wide without,

wiping half the field out. We saw it in practice too. We almost had some wrecks in practice where guys were trying to go into the infield early and they're like they would get caught back up and now hear you come in and like, oh, God. But yeah, that, I mean, you could, I guess you technically could make it a point race and just pay positions off of where you finish in the constellation. Like you're not in the feature, but you get 28. Can you imagine your sponsor not being in the feature of points race?

Oh, listen, that's what I'm saying. This is not a points race track. Listen, you have Irwindale there. Irwindale is literally one of the best racetracks in the country. You've got Kern that's in Bakersfield, not, you know, it's in the same market, not the same area. I shouldn't say same market. Really nice facility, really nice racetrack, not as good of a racing racetrack as Irwindale is, but I still don't understand why we're tearing up one of the best tracks we have.

We are and we will always be a suburb sport. We will always be a rural America sport. We will never be a city sport. So being after that, being in downtown L.A. doesn't matter to our fan base. Our fan base doesn't care. No. Just like this Chicago Street race.

I saw that somebody sent me a link, and if it's wrong, then I apologize next week. Ticket prices are $240 for a general admission ticket. I don't think our normal fan is going to pay $250 for one ticket and have to drive into Chicago to do that. Now, you're going to find out if the Chicago people will support your race. but historically, like I just said, our fan base is not, they don't live in downtown cities other than Bob Pockers. I don't know one person that lives downtown New York City that's a huge NASCAR fan. Yeah, just Bob. Just Bob.

In Harlem. But yeah, especially $240 and you don't, you get to see one turn at a time. Congratulations. I got a tweet yesterday said beer was $18 at the Coliseo. Water was $750. 725, I think I saw them Desani bottles of water. That's a nice little margin right there. Yeah.

Is that inflation? Oh, please do not get Preston. Teams are reportedly asking NASCAR for $16 to $18 million in league revenue per car, which is double the amounts they are getting now. Brett, spot on, spot off. It's actually more than double. I think the lowest paid guy, lowest paid team gets $4 million with this new charter system, approximately $4 million.

So here's my problem. the team's revenue share only exist of sharing the TV money. They don't get to share the money from parking. They don't get to share the money from concessions. They don't get to share the money from tickets. They don't get to share the money from all the other revenue streams that these racetracks in our lovely sport has. That's not fair.

They should get a piece of the whole pie, not just a piece of one piece of the pie in my mind. But when I look at this thing and I say, Hendrick Motorsports and Rick Ware Racing. If we give Rick Ware Racing $16 million, what's he going to do with it? Put it in a bank. I'm going to say he's going to put it in a bank.

I'm going to say this out loud. I think there are multiple teams that race in that race yesterday that should have their charter taken from them. Now, they should be compensated for it. Something, not a lot, because they don't put a lot into it. If you're going to go out there and you're going to be over a second off at every race try we go to this year, you shouldn't be talking about sharing $16, 18 million of your piece of a pie because you're not contributing to making the sport better. And if you're

not going to contribute to making it faster, your team faster and competitive, if you're not competitive, you shouldn't be out there. Brett, going back to what you just said about the lowest team making that much amount of money, why is it different per team as far as how many drivers they have, how many teams they have? No, it's based on how they perform, right? So if if you go out of the, there and you win the championship and you do X, Y, and Z, your charter is now worth more money, and it gets you more money from the NASCAR piece, right? So if you go out there and you run dead last every single week before the charter system was in place, you could do a starting park before that was it made illegal, and you could make $2.7 million a year. If you ran dead last,

well, when the charter system came into effect, they increased that number. No more starting parking. You got to race. You got to show up for every event. That's why BJ McLeod was out there yesterday. I got lapped in the first five laps of the heat races, it seemed like. But they then up the money, Casey, to where they got over $4 million as part of revenue share. So when these teams are talking about wanting more money, I'm all for it, but I am not for having teams out there that are not competitive getting the same amount of money

that a Rick Hendrick or a 2311 or a colleague racing. I mean, Matt Colleg is spending a ton of money right now. He wants to be competitive. He wants to win races. He came in. This team's only two years old. This is their second full-time year in Cup Series. They're doing the things that they say, that made me say, yeah, they deserve $16 million.

Because it really ain't that much money when we talk about how many billions of dollars this sport is worth and brings it revenue. So I think it's important for people to realize this is still a sponsorship-based sport. If you don't have good sponsors, you don't have money unless you are a billionaire. And we've gotten rid of all the old school guys, Bill Davis Racing, he's gone. Robert Yates Racing, he's gone. Richard Petty, he's gone. this is now the billionaire club and we've got some people that are hanging on

I guarantee you Tommy Baldwin wakes up every day kicking himself in the ass going damn I should not have sold my race team when I did I should have hung on to it because they're talking about things like this happening and if you're competitive I'm all for you getting money but if you suck I'm not yeah the biggest thing that I with this the you know the revenue sharing for me

is this this sport right now is based on money over talent. Like it's as simple as that. Like the money means more than the talent. If you have money, you can get in a car. We see this this week with some of the announcements of that, Joe Gibbs. We used to call the Joe Gibbs third car an all-star car. And it's not really an all-star car this year.

You know, I'm not, I don't want to bash anybody, but we saw this, Joe Graff is going to run five races. He didn't qualify in a, in a RCR car somewhere. I forget where it was, one of the mile and a halfs. That's just the guy they're taking. money over talent. You know, that Trevor Bain did an unbelievable job in that car last year. Should have won some races. Where's he at? Why, you know, you're hearing that, you know, Joe Graff's driving it. Conor Mosack, I think, is going to drive it four or five times. Like,

where's Trevor Bain? Where's the guys that were competitive in that car last year? So I think if you get the, the revenue up, but these teams, you can see that shift back towards talent over money. They don't need the sponsorship dollars or they don't need daddy's money to put this guy in there. They can go back. And we saw yesterday, Ryan Preyce's. goes out there, gets his shot back in a very competitive ride and might have won the race if he doesn't have a fuel pump issue. He drives back to the lead. He's probably the best car in the racetrack and then he had an issue. So, you know, that's the guy that kind of clawed his way back up there. Now he's got a little bit of money behind him, got in the 41 car and almost

made the most of his opportunity right off the bat. So, you know, I love to see a place. I know I come from short track racing. I go to short track racing all off season. I go on off weeks, whatever. I know these guys and there's talent out there, but they don't have, guys have asked me, hey I can get in this car one time and run a truck race at Loudon. What do you think? And I'm like, unless you got a couple million behind that, like it doesn't matter if you go out there and win that race. Nobody's going to hire you.

So it's just unfortunate that that's where we're at now where if we, I think if the teams get this money, like Brett said, a lot of it, they get the money, they're just going to spend it on themselves, which is good. You want the sport to be better.

But, you know, I think a lot of it too will be, you know, you can get some more talented race car drivers out there that that will, you know, raise the profile of the whole sport. There's more talented race car drivers in America right now than there's ever been. But I'm thinking, I'm asking. Young kids.

Yeah. So going back to. Del Jers started racing at like 20 years old. Going back to those days when it was talent over money, I mean, is it because the cost of racing is so much higher now or, I mean, what's the difference? Yeah. I think it's the lack of sponsorship, to be honest with you. When the sponsorship was there, the teams had the money to go hire.

the guy they wanted. And then when the recession hit us in 08, some teams never recovered from that. And you have Roger Penske, their cars are sold out. If you wanted to sponsor one of Roger Penske's cars right now, you wouldn't be able to because he has all of the sponsorship in place. Rick Hendrick, similar scenario. You know, if you want to go sponsor Kyle Larson, guess what? You're not. Hendrik Auto Motors is going to sponsor them all year because that's a successful sponsorship. So when you look at Casey, these lower-budgeted teams, and I mean, obviously Joe Gibbs Racing is not a lower budget team. But on the Xfinity side, you need $7 to $8 million all in to be able to win and run up front.

And when they're missing, you know, a couple million dollars, they'll sign a kid because he's got a couple million dollars because they still got to make, the numbers still have to make sense. We saw back in the day, like the car and the sponsor wouldn't change, the driver would change. You know, I remember back in the day, like an example, would be like Dave Blaney started in the Jack Daniels 07 because that was written and then they went out and got a more talented driver or I shouldn't say more talented, but somebody that fit them better in Clint to drive the 07. You saw when Elliott drove the M&M's 38.

When Elliott left, it was still the M&M's 38 and David Gidlin, I think. You know, like so the sponsorship was what drive. And the teams had the sponsorship. Now it seems like the drivers bring the sponsors. And that's why it moves so much. And that's why you're seeing guys, if they got money, they're going to get in top notch rides.

And I tell everybody's like, what do I got to do? I'm like, hit the lottery. I can get you into a cup car tomorrow if you got $10 million. You know, like, it doesn't matter. you're doing, what you've done or where you've been. Like as long as you get approved, you can go run a cup race tomorrow. So it's just, we just need to get back to where it's not so much, you know, right now, like I said, it's talent over my money over talent right now.

We need to flip-flop that at some point. T.J. I just think this opens the door for some of the, some of the lower teams to, to get talent. You know what I mean? Like, to me, it opens the door. If I were to start a team and, you know, I had just enough money to start a team, but I can't, do any more, you know, this opens the door for me to go get, you know, an up-and-coming driver, maybe something like that. But I do think there should be some performance clauses to it where

an effort is being made, you know, an effort, you can see the effort being made to try to run good. I mean, it might not work out the greatest all the time, but you know when somebody's just riding around. I think what you're saying where they can go get talent. I'm telling you, if they get this kind of revenue stream, they'll be able to go sign kids. They'll go sign. That's what I'm saying. That gives me the opportunity to do that. They're going to go sign it. It's going to be like now we're playing in AAA, AA, double A, single A baseball.

And we're going to go sign Keelan Harvick right now. Development deals. We're going to sign him right now to a long-term deal to where we own the rights to him when he turns 18 and can get into a cup car. Gets a lot bigger. And forget the drivers, crew guys, crew chiefs. Like, you know, like we saw a guy like Blake Harris go from last year.

He was, you know, engineer at Hendrick. I don't know, where was he is at 34? No, I'm saying. Where do you? He was a warrant. True X. That's right. And then he went to the 34 and elevated that program to like,

and they're still running better than they ever have. You know, he's changed that program now. If a team like both front row cars made the race yesterday and neither Rouse Fenway car. Yeah. If you, you know,

you go get the next, you know, you have the money now to go steal away good engineers or car chiefs or whatever route you want to go from these bigger teams and let that guy kind of build your program back up because that's what you see. Like when you get a good young crew chief somewhere, they elevate that program. And it just, so on top of talent driver-wise, you can get talent.

Because that's what a lot of the struggle is, I think, for them back-market teams. Because we got technically the same stuff. I mean, obviously, there's ways to tweak it and go better. But a lot of times it's just, you know, the people working on the cars is kind of what's holding some of these back market teams back. Well, I mean, we see it on, you see it on CB Industries with Chad. Chad's entire team. All of these guys want to eventually be in NASCAR.

Yeah. And Toyota does a great job. and other teams do a great job in making development programs for it, but there's only so much money and so much that they can do. So hopefully this will help even teams like Chad's team down the road if it, I guess, gets spreads out a little bit more even more. Is that kind of like your team? It's Chloe's team, actually.

Chloe boat industries. Yeah, and going back to Chicago ticket prices, Andrew just sent me this. General admission for two days is $355. Oh, you're a way off. Wow. The Mississippi a single day.

Yup. Coupon. Reserve two days is $580 off East Michigan. So. So who's paying that? Like what? Listen, I don't want to say don't go to a race, but literally you can't see anything. Like that, as far as I know, like I haven't been.

I don't know where there's going to be grandstands. Like, I don't know. But I do think that, I mean, Formula One is going to have, has the same issue, but they don't have issues selling tickets. Formula One comes here once a year or twice a year, and it's a, you know, like... I get it. I get it, but I think... Listen to me, Casey. Where did I say our fans live? They don't... The F-1 fans live in the city. F-1 fans live in the city. They live in Miami. They live in L.A., they live in New York City. Our fans do not. That's why. Our friends at RacingUSA.com are starting the year off right by offering our doorbook of clear listeners 30% off, buy one, get one sale.

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Feeter starts now. Okay, I'm in the definite minority because there's probably not a lot of NASCAR fans up of Canada. But TSA take that great time. to have a side-by-side ad

under yellow. Are you serious? I heard a lot of negative feedback about the production. Like when they went to commercials, I still don't understand

why we have superhero cartoon characters. I'll never, that I'm never going to understand that. If I was Kyle Larson and his management team, I would literally be on the phone with NASCAR on. Fox this morning saying please, please, please, please, please, please, he looks, he, he looked

like not even a human. He didn't look like a human. I can't, I never seen him. He's superhuman. So he's supposed to look super. No, he did not look like he, he looked like he was from Mars. Pluto. Pluto, planner is that that dog. I was like, was there a lot of commercials or bad times commercials? I mean, they got to pay bills, man. It's going to be the worst thing. I ain't going to say nothing bad. It could be better. It could be better.

You just said it looked like. It could be better. I mean, my favorite tweet of the night that I saw was they're in the middle of a battle for the lead and they show this full moon. And it's like, we don't get a fuck about the moon. We want to watch the race. Why are you showing the moon? I'm not an astronomer or whatever. I'm not into astrology or whatever.

I want to watch race cars. But for all God, I mean, thank God you showed me the full moon outside. If I want to see the moon, I'd walk outside. I think it's funny that you started by saying, I think I'm going to be nice. So this is you being nice. That was good. That was close. I was staring at the TV.

If I will see the moon, I'd go outside and look at the moon. Same, same move. I feel like I didn't watch any of the cover, so I don't know. But I did see some tweets that said a lot of that stuff. There is some improvements to be made. Did you make a burner account? No. Yeah, we got one.

It's not hard to find. Wait, on that note, I just have to give a shout out. When you guys did your Dirty Moe Live a few weeks ago, and everybody was talking about how you didn't complain, which was great, you sure did make up for it on Twitter because I think you went on blast for like three days straight after that one DirtyMill Live. So. Me or him? I didn't think.

I went back and listened to the thing. I didn't think we complained at all. Yeah, you made a friend on Twitter. Your whole feed was complaining. Good. That's why I get on Twitter. All right, let's move on. Hey, there, just leaving the Bush-like clash.

Great night. Fantastic time. Love being in the Coliseum. All I got to say is this. Hey, Austin Dillon, just because you got your ass written and you couldn't beat Bubba on corner exit for 50 fucking laps.

It does not mean that you're allowed to punt him with no remorse. Do me a favor, you spoiled piece of shit. Here's the favor you need to do me. Bite on your fucking metal like you're in the doll. I hope you crack a fucking bowler. I don't even remember leaving that message. Austin said I feel bad for him. And then they go to Bubba.

I was just sitting in his car. Did Austin do an interview? Yeah, he said, I feel bad for him. I mean, listen, though, this is the, this is. what we've given the guys to race with him. Like Bubba was mad. Obviously he's mad like he ran into him there under caution but then he like at the end of the race he's like

that's part of what this deal is. He's just sitting in there drinking out of a straw though. I mean for like 40 minutes. Like get out of the fucking car guy. Go put him into face. Hey you know what I did here yesterday and I don't know if this is good or not but obviously it's not good I should say. A lot of guys sick after the race last night from fuels.

Oh, carbon monoxide. Yeah. That's not good. I don't know if that's, I don't know if that's, I don't know there's any kind of redesign on the end car inside the car or not but there's a lot of guys some of them were pulling a Noah

Gregson and throwing up on himself and that's a very short race yeah that's a very short race I mean you think about freaking Martinsville

coming up I mean there's not a lot of air movement and stuff there though I think a faster track it might not be I don't know

Brad was fine oh yeah Brad won air long it took you long enough to figure it out how many laps total was that race count caution laps

oh I don't know probably a lot 700. Enough to where I sent a text message to my engineer and go, is there any point where we need to worry about fuel? Like, because you weren't allowed to bring fuel in the infield. So you were,

start with a full tank. And he's like, no, I would know. But I'm like, man, I mean, we're getting,

I bet it was 150 laps total, right? I mean, green. Yeah. I mean, I bet it was 250. It was at least 250.

Yeah. It was probably close to three. Yeah. I mean, it was more than Peterson thought it was going to be. 34. So, yeah.

I can't blame him. Did they run out? Is that what that's the one? Yeah, I mean, who? 38, did the 38 run out too? I don't know. He, bro, the next, what we're going green after that caution,

he pulled in the infields. I mean, that's, there was a lot of laps caution, so I can't blame them. They also run the LCQ, right? Yeah, but you could fill up after that.

Oh, you could, you had all sorts of adjustments. You could put a new nose on a thing if you needed to. Wow. Wow. You know,

they make a big goddamn deal about these medals for this race and then they end the broadcast even before you see Truex get the gold. Typical Fox now. car coverage. Was it different? That's why I saw a bunch of tweets

that they didn't show it on TV, but you said they did. I mean, they showed them. We got on a podium. I didn't stick around for the metal ceremony. No anthem.

They just play the national three times. I mean, my screen kept turning purple. It might have been your fireball. I didn't drink a fireball. A little tequila then. I'm sorry.

Got to need a new game in the RPG room, whatever you call it. What is it? RPG. I don't think we need to give out medals every week, but the podium thing I think is pretty good. I don't know if you want to get medals out or whatever.

We ain't at the fucking Olympics. I didn't necessarily mean a medal. I thought it was fitting for the place. We're going to play the national anthem every week too at the end of the race. We need to. I do want to see the guys close together because if there is a short tracks could be really interesting with that. All right.

Don't forget guys. Leave an audio message. Whenever you want, just head to anchor.fm.fm. You'll see the message icon and we'll keep playing the best ones each week. All right. Let's move on to AskDBC. All right, send in your questions on Twitter each week using hashtag AskDBC, and we will be sure to answer the best ones.

TJ, I'm afraid about what you're going to say next, so I figured to cut you off. Yeah, I don't need to say anything. This first one is from Ben Shabazz. Shabazz. All but one car among the 36th entered this weekend, turned practice laps faster than the pole winning speed in 2022. How much have teams and drivers learned about the next-gen car in a year?

I would say all of them among the 36 learned to go faster. Is that what that says? Yeah. So like, yeah, I mean, we looked at it in the, I think the practice time was like a 1345 or something was fast time last year and we ran

all like, it was about the same, I thought. I thought it was like a low 30. Yeah. Martin. Yeah, I think it was a little bit faster. Qualifying was faster. But I also, I think qualifying was later at night. I don't remember qualifying.

kind of what I thought, too. And it cools Daniel. Track cools down. And the temperatures were much cooler this year. I was, you would be lucky that you left because I froze my ass off at the top of that state. Oh, do you know what? You know what I sat with for the first half of the race?

Who? Brendan gone. Really? Yeah. What's all BG up to? hanging out. It was fun, yeah. He's a trip to talk to.

But he wants to, I think we should get him on the show. That'd be fun. He had some really good stories. That's good. So we need to promote, try to get him to come on here. But I, yeah, teams, He lives in Vegas.

Yeah. Yeah, but I'm pretty sure you could get here. Or we just do a show there with him. Get on one of his G5s. Can we just do a remote show? Can you come to the experience? I think we just do every show in Vegas. But obviously teams learned that.

Like last year was the first race for this car and then guys figured out what they can tweak on and, I mean, they got different rear clips now on them. So there's a lot of different stuff. All right. This next one is from Legacy Sporting. Ryan Priest said over the radio before a late race restart that Freddie knows all. Freddie knows all of my moves. As a spotter, how predictable are the other drivers in the field?

And can you expect to know what most of them will do at any given time? So I, obviously, Ryan's a good friend of mine. And I've spotted a lot of races for Ryan and I've raced a lot of modified races against Ryan. So I think that's what he's getting at there. And I know he, I drove him crazy to race at Riverhead one time just blocking the out of him for 175 laps. And he was, he told me afterwards he knew it was all my fault. So, but no, like, I think that we all, you all know, like, the reason why we go back and ever watch a film or go back and, like, relive any races because we were trying to learn tendencies that guys have.

And there was guys. I remember Jamie McMurray, for one, like, you knew if Jamie McMurray was behind you at a plate race, you better protect the middle because he was looking for every inch he could get to go. And he was never, he was never going to stay behind you and ride. Like, Jamie was one of the most aggressive guys. And there's guys you know that you want to be around. there's guys Harrison Burton when he first started running last year. You knew you didn't want to be behind him on a corner entry because he backed the corner entry way up everywhere we went for a while.

So there's guys you just learn what they're doing, what their tendencies are. And then that's kind of part of our job of what we, if we quote unquote, ever study, that's kind of what we're studying is what guys are doing around us. Nah, I mean, you can see some of that on film, but most of it you just see happen live and you just build your notebook. Yeah.

As you go, every race you spot, every corner you watch, you see somebody do something and just adds to it. All right. Let's move on to what an idiot. All right, Brett, first one. I think I'm going to give mine to the Fox booth during an interview where Gwen Stefani was in there with Clint Boyer and she made fun of him being wasted. And Freddie, how many times have you seen Clint not know what to say? Usually never.

He froze up. He was like, I get paid to be here. Like he was trying to get his way out of like, hey, stop telling stories about me being wasted on air. So my one-in-idiet is them. I guess did he think that everybody thought he didn't drink? I was very confused. I think he thought. Chad made a comment to me like, oh, do you think he's going to get in trouble?

I was like, I mean, they knew what they were getting into and they hired him, right? He doesn't go to church. He goes to bars. I mean, that's newsflash. I think also it's definitely one to know how well-behaved Tony was. Tony made fun of Jeff Gordon being fat, but I missed it. Really? Yeah, I just saw the remarks about it on Twitter later, but I,

I guess Tony made a joke about... Tony's probably lost all that weight to try that. Jimmy was in the booth for a while between the heat races and the main event. There again. And it was pretty cool. But yeah, I guess Tony made a comment, which Tony can. He could do it every once. Yeah.

You know what? You shouldn't have backed your entry up so much. That's all the first thing I said to Bubba, we got in the hauler. I said afterwards I said, why did you back into that guy like that? The three knew your move. Yeah, he knew my move. He knew we were going to have to. TJ, who's your one idiot

this week? You know, I was trying to think I really just wanted to give for the guy that ran over us for seventh place for no reason to get a cost seven place and eight car heater whatever was that?

Yeah. Maybe he'll send you some jockey underwear. Yeah, well, sure. Whatever. Yeah, I'll do that. It's just not looking, but he thinks that's not okay

because it got him a shot and he got into the show because of it. And y'all were like three quarters of a lap behind a leader? Probably, yeah, half. Probably half at that point. Yeah. It was like fifth or six, something like that, maybe.

It might not have been seventh or eighth. What did Brad say? Nothing. I mean, again, we shouldn't have been in that spot to begin with. But just because you're there doesn't mean you're disposable and should be turned for a caution to help better. Yeah. I have to. So I have one idiot, but I have to preface it with, I respect all men and women in law enforcement.

They have a thankless job. And I appreciate them keeping us safe. but I got the dumbest ticket in my life in California this weekend. What did you get one for? Speeding. Unsafe left turn.

And what I did was I was coming up to race. I come up. Yeah. I guess. I should have said, you shouldn't see all unsafe left turn that just made over here.

Did you get in the race? So I was coming up to a light that I needed to make a left at and I wasn't paying attention. I said, I got to make a left here. stopped and there was a guy left me a hole so I backed up a little bit nosed into the turning lane nobody's even coming behind me there's nobody behind me so I just backed up the guy let me in

nose into the turning lane again like your race so I am I am nosed in like 90% of my car probably light goes green I make a left turn still no problem whoop who I'm like he pull it he's like I see the lights behind me and I'm like he's pulling me over I doubt it so I just move over to like I'm getting out of his way well he follows me I was like guess he is pulling me over he comes over to the window and he said you know why I pulled you over I said no I actually don't like normally I do normally I'm speeding or doing something stupid didn't have a seatbelt on

and freaking Pageland and I can't believe you got to take it. I got to take it for page not it's not not seeplow I drove by a cop in Pageland going 30 miles an hour and the guys pulled me over I saw you didn't have your seatbelt on I'm like how what are you serious That's why you need to know yeah So did you not have it on?

No I didn't have it well then you deserve it Yeah I mean I was wrong So Damn I said to the guy, I said, I don't, he said, well, you made an unsafe left turn back there. And I said, what does that mean? And he said, all four of your tires were not inside the turning lane before you turned left. And I said, okay, thank you very much.

And he left. And I thought I said that Nick was riding with me. And I said, this thing's probably got a rental car. So it's probably got a weird license plate on it. I don't know. Every time we go somewhere, it's a jacked up license plate that's not from the state we're in. I was like he probably saw the license plate, probably just wants to check and make sure everything's good. He's probably not going to write me a ticket for this. I was wrong. He wrote me a citation for unsafe left turn.

And I would like California to maybe just break off the country and slide out into the Pacific Ocean. Well, they said it was going to happen when I was a kid. I just, I was like, I was like, I for literally, honestly, I'm going to be honest, I really thought Brett started a prank show and somebody was with me. When the guy said, well, all four of your tire, I was like a pit stop. You know, like when you got all your tires in the box. Yeah. Like, I literally had to have everything but my right rear in there because I was nose like three quarters of the way. And you can hang the right rear.

Yeah. That's allowed. That's allowed NASCAR, not in California. Not California. Don't do that. Okay. So anybody, if you're going to make a turn or go straight, just don't, don't mess with the lines. Or just don't go to California.

Yeah, just don't ever go to California. It'll be a good start. I told Nick, because you're driving in downtown LA, that's, you do that more than. The funniest thing was, this guy pulls me over right on Figaro Boulevard where my hotel is. and so I leave a pull away driving straight down Figueroa I get a quarter mile down the road and we're like over by the Staples Center and a guy is in the right lane and I guess he wanted to go to the stable center which is on the left and just drove straight across four lanes of traffic

and hung a left right in front of me and almost wrecked me and I'm like I guess that's safe but he had all four in before you got to I was like so what is this a moving violation with points I don't know I have to look it up I was really I didn't really want to deal with it at that moment because I thought I was going to be a little upset but so So that cop, I don't understand a ticket. So maybe I'm there. Maybe I'm the idiot.

Maybe he's the idiot. I'm not sure which one. I understand. Like, people blow through stop signs a lot. Like, don't even come to a complete stop and do that stuff. But I'd say left turn.

I didn't even like, I would have got that if I was like in the center lane and like said, oh, that I got to go left here. Like that like. Yeah. Like if I just, if I just like, I make a left here and just go from the center and make it.

I was like, I was in the like, whatever. I text Megan. She's like, how's your night? I was like, I just got the dumb.

ticket of my life. I don't know. Well, listen, the last time I was in L.A., Freddy and I were trying to get into a bar, shocker. And the bar, the freaking guy holding the door. And, you know, COVID was still a thing, especially in L.A. And the guy's like, I need to see your fax card. So I pull out a picture of my Vax card on my phone. And he said, I got to see the back. I got to see the front and back. And I'm like, well, how about this guy selling heroin right here beside me? Or we're not worried about him. Like, I mean, there's legitimately a dude doing heroin selling heroin right beside me. But he's, but he's, fine.

Shooting heroin. Let's make sure. You're not selling it. Let's make sure that I have my damn Vax car to go out here and drink a bourbon. I love the state of California. I hate the way they run it.

So does Joel. Joel. Joel doesn't like it either. Maybe listen. I'm going to, I retract. I'm going back on my one idiot. Oh no.

You can't not know we're choosing when you lead the race. And that's what happened to the 10 car. I think. When did they tell you you were choosing with two to go? Two to go. Every time coming to two to go

down the back straight away, off a turn to every lap it was, you're coming to two to go, this will be your lap to choose. Yeah, they actually gave pretty fair warning. And I like that.

We need to do that. At Martinsville, Bristol, Richmond, all the short tracks. Yeah. Yeah. Been preaching that.

You don't like the hold of one that goes. I mean, I mean, Eric was, it was, I'm assuming he just got lucky that he didn't hit the box. He did.

You know, because he, I think he legitimately didn't know we were choosing right there that lap and I don't know where the, where the miscommunication came from. So the N-Car radio, he didn't know he was choosing.

Then the interview drew, and he didn't know they were choosing. So just a miss. And there was a lot going on. And that was the first time. And obviously, normally we have, we choose on one to go. So if you don't hear, you know, if that's the first time and you're not used to us to doing two to, like that was, I don't remember doing two to go there last year either. So, you know, it's easy to get confused. But I knew.

There's a lot of stuff about that, ratio. You don't know yet. Let's move on to DBC picks Good call Let's go TJ of course Won the title last year And a very dramatic tiebreaker

And now we are ready For a 2023 Daytona 500 picks So who goes first is that Can I just go first? I should go reverse I'm just gonna Oh damn okay I think you should go last first

I think yeah I think last person goes first Casey Yeah it's like the NFL draft Casey you go first I'll take Kislauski. Good pick.

I go next. Who was, who was worse? Me or you? I think we tied. I don't care. You can go. Oh, no,

you won. I won. Yeah, I think you. Yeah, I finish second. Dude, I'll take,

I'll take Jimmy Johnson. Jimmy Johnson. I'll take. He might not make the race. I know. My guy might not make it either if I'm picking, Chandler Smith.

I don't know if I want to do that. He's not on the list. It don't matter. He's raised. Chandler Smith, I'll take him. Brett, Ben on himself. T.J. Oh, man.

So Casey's swinging for the win. So I'm just going to lay up here and I'm going to go with a... I don't want to wait. I just inhale it. That's a good one. I like it. Daytona. When do we leave?

Does anybody know when we leave? I'm leaving on Friday. The week before? I got to go do modified racing. Oh, I was like, holy. Damn you joan this stuff to race? I'm not doing a duel. Yeah, I'm going Friday.

Because we don't practice before qualifying. No. My first thing is like this. The duel. Like that's the first thing we're doing on the track is the duel. Well, they qualify. But our deal, yes. Our work is the duel.

So the first thing I have to do is a duel on Thursday night. Yes. Wow. That's crazy. How would you like to be Travis Pistrana, who's never driven one of these cars and has to launch off pit road for qualifying in the Daytona 500 with no practice. Like, good luck.

And then, you know, I have to race your way in with something you have two laps on the track. One full speed. When I didn't see any practice in the schedule for this race, I was, well, well, we're practicing after qualifying. I'm saying beforehand, you got guys going to this race trying to make it for the first time.

Maybe some track time would be, or anything. Who's spotting for Pastrana? Tool, Jason. Jason Headleski. Really good play spotter. That's good. Do y'all feel like it's time to go to Daytona? I don't even, I don't know.

Freddie just went to bed a little bit ago. I don't know why. And, you know, maybe things have been going on in my personal life, but like I don't feel like it's time to go to Daytona. I don't feel like the season's here yet. Like, it doesn't feel ready. And then we're not, then we're going and we're just showing up and racing. Like, that's different.

It's going to happen, though. It's going to happen. It's going to happen. It's going to happen. I'm ready. I'm ready too, but it just doesn't feel like it's, it doesn't feel like it's, it doesn't feel like it's time. Yeah, I don't know.

But y'all want. to LA, so maybe y'all feel better than I feel. No, I don't feel any better than you feel. All right, well, on that note, don't forget to subscribe to Journeymo Media's YouTube page for videos from the show, all the behind-the-scenes content, and more. Also, be sure to leave us a rating and review on Apple Podcast.

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