Door Bumper Clear - 283. Atlanta & Josh Williams: Can't Park Here

Episode Date: March 20, 2023

Door Bumper Clear is joined by special guest NASCAR Xfinity Series driver Josh Williams to discuss his infamous move parking on the front stretch during Saturday’s race. Brett Griffin, T.J. Majors and Freddie Kraft ask Josh about his experience going to the NASCAR hauler, his attempt at getting a TV interview, and how no practice affected the quality of racing.In Spot On, Spot Off, the guys break down why Josh’s disqualification was unjustified, Justin Allgaier’s comments on how Atlanta’s new configuration races, how Brad Keselowski lost the race on the last lap of the Cup Series race, and Chad Knaus’ interview regarding Hendrick Motorsports’ colossal penalty. Plus, hear fans react to Josh’s infamous parking job, Daniel Hemric wrecking Parker Kligerman, and Brad Keselowski and Denny Hamlin’s hilarious porta john interaction in Reaction Theatre. Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Dirty Mo Media. This is a production of Dirty Mo Media. Media. Door. Hey, everybody. I'm T.J. Majors. Part of the sixth cup. The 8 Xfinity.

You should have been on the Frivate. He did. The O2 truck. Full House today. Protect the top, maybe. Brett Griffin's father for colleague racing. I was not in Atlanta, but I was. Not in Atlanta, but I was watching from afar.

I was at a dance competition. And Freddie, I'm sorry I missed big owls last night, man. Broke tradition. Is your groin okay? My back. So I woke up yesterday morning. This is how old I am. And I went to pull my chargers out of the wall.

And I'll my back up. That quick. I was more concerned about the picture you posted. Joel said, Brett's not coming to big owls because my back hurts. I said, that's because Claudia is standing on it. But what's up, Freddie Craft, spotter for Bubba Wallace, Chandler Smith. and Mason Maggio this week. I think my average finish in Atlanta was 39.

I don't know what happened this week. Strong. But yeah, what's up, Casey? Hey, guys, Casey Boat here back from Atlanta, where once again, TJ gave it away. Jesus, damn. Freddie, who do we have on the show today? So we get a lot of questions a lot of the time about, like,

people will ask us, how can I get on DBC? And me and Brett have the same answer all the time. you got to do something. Like, to do something. And this some, did something. Josh Williams is in the house. Hey, buddy.

So I guess I qualified. You, I mean, if we're going to talk about doing something, you have done something this week. I didn't even have to take a provisional for this one. What's up, man? I'm going to take a provisional for this show. I know. That's my favorite part of the show.

Everybody makes funny. Hey, I just want to tell you one thing. NASCAR listens to this show. Oh, I know. And they love us. is their favorite podcast. So the fact that you came on here probably makes you immune

to any and all penalties that may have been forthcoming. Can we get that in writing? You guys can share your experiences in the NASCAR hauler. We have some fucking common. We did not stay as long as you did. But you guys didn't have pizza.

All right. So we're obviously going to get to this in this show. But how long did you actually sit in that fucking holler? There was like 140 laps to go. And I was like, can I at least change? are like, no. I was like, can I have my backpack, like, with all my stuff in it? No. I'm like, man, I'm in trouble. Did you have your phone? So TV came up to you and they were going to

interview you. Oh, they were ready. What did the officials say that basically got you? I mean, it was like, I didn't see this. You guys don't understand. TV is coming up to interview Josh. Josh is pissed off, right? And all of a sudden, this gray-haired official comes up to Josh and Josh is gone. I mean, he goes missing. It's like David Copperfield grabbed him. Oh, yeah. Yeah, so they were like, hey, do you got time for interview? And I was like, oh, yeah, I got plenty of time. And I was fixing, you know, Jack Hugh at this thing right here. But I was like, you know, let's do it.

And he's like, no, you got to go to the infield care center. And Regan's like, oh, yeah, we can't interview him until he goes to infield care center. It's like protocol. And I was like, all right, here we go. So we went to the infield care center. But you didn't wreck? I didn't hit nothing. So why would you have to go to the infield care center?

I don't know. No. The grass was wet. Maybe they thought I sprained my ankle. TJ is literally scared for you right now. TJ is sitting beside you. He thinks he's going to get suspended. His hands are crossed.

TJ's like, I'm sorry, NASCAR, please. I'm over here. I'm just listening, man. But Josh, you got pizza. They didn't get pizza. Yeah. Well, at first he was like, do you want anything to drink? We got pizza?

I was like, no. I was like, I don't want anything you got. And then three hours later, you're hungry. I was like, no, the pizza's not so bad. So the officials sit around all during a restaurant. raised your seat and pizza? Is that what took the caution so long? Oh, that is no way.

We're not going down that, Robert. That might have been in. Ready, let's roll into something else. What are you talking about? What was discussed in this NASCAR meeting? Because you guys can exchange stories. Listen, I've been in two meetings in there, and here's how my meetings went.

You're a fucking idiot. I can't believe you fucking did that. Why are you such an idiot? You just go, all right, you're right. That was my back and forth with mine anyway. Yeah. That's because you stole a parking pass. Well, I didn't steal one.

It's borrowed temporarily. I'm going to tell you what they don't like. Counterfeit parking passes. I just have to be riding. Do you see where that dude got fined $25 grand for selling hot passes? Oh, yeah. What an idiot. I was going to beat my one day.

You ruined it. How do you think? Really? How do you think it's a good idea to sell a hot pass? Dude, they were making a killing. I mean, they'd have been gone on forever, right? Yeah. Dude, I hope they made $25,000.

What? Dude, he was making a killing selling those things. Wow. And then he would post it on, like, Facebook. It was on like a Facebook page. At least he wasn't. He wasn't scared for sure. He was like, you know what?

Here we go. Here's my question to you. And let's like this just, what fell off your car? Because I saw something fall off your car leaving pit road. What was it? Well, it was like, you know, negative 35 and we're trying to put bear bond on. Yeah. So we're heating it up with a torch and a piece flew off the right front.

It wasn't a body panel. It was just a piece of bear bond. Yeah. That was it. I was sitting next Tony Hirschman. You left pit road and Hirsch goes, something just flew off that 92. We got to wave this off. So we were like waving down.

Of course, that didn't get. Then we go green. So it's Hirsch's fault. It's hers's fault. Yeah, that's what I would go with. We go green and immediate yellow. And then they start freaking out about Josh. And I'm like, well, if your corner workers had just seen while we were under yellow that the piece flew off, we could have not win green for a second there.

But, I mean, I think, I don't know. You tell me if this is wrong or not. I think that your penalty came from a direct result of the show that that race was to begin with. Like, if that race wasn't a three-hour first stage, you probably kind of, they'd, get a little bit more leniency on the draw of yellow. Yeah, I think they would have been a little bit more lenient about it, but I mean, it is in the rule book. It is. It is. And I was surprised. I didn't know that. I didn't know that either. I found out real fast. I think it's happened one time. I'm telling you right now. I think it happened one time. I'm telling you right now,

as a fan watching this thing on TV, it was obviously a very drawn out stage. There were a lot of long cautions. There were a lot of cautions, but the cautions that were existed were also very long, Okay. And the fact that Josh, unfortunately for you, you made it longer and they were pissed off because TV is losing their window, right? They're literally, they're running out of time to show this race. So when it happened, you literally just, you were, man, you were, I hate to say you were a scapegoat. You are 100% scapegoat. I was watching this thing. And when I heard the penalty, I'm like, man, it's unfortunate for you. I was the guy. Literally because they have a show on their hands, and now it's your fault. That's what it was for me watching as a fan. And I was like, man, that's very unfortunate. And then obviously we all know what happened after that. What did you wreck into to get the damage?

Apparently, the O2 cut a tire, the 27 running back of him, I run back to 27. Damn it, Jeb. So it's Jeb's fault. Let's blame Jeb. I'm blaming, Weatherman. Well, it's Weiming, Let's blame Weatherman then. Well, I'm going to blame Kyle. Man, so is Atlanta, I'm asking the three of you this.

Obviously, I spotted this race last year. Is Atlanta too narrow? What's wrong? Oh, it's narrow. It's narrow. I don't think it's too narrow, though. He's driven it on eye racing. He's a professional.

I mean, we went through Y and numerous times. If T.J wasn't stuck in the back, like, if he was stuck in the back like everybody yesterday and said to lead in the whole race, he'd think this race suck. But he's got to talk about how great it was today. Like the super top lane for the Xfinity race was, like, dirty. So, like, if you got your right sides above the double, double line or whatever, it was super loose. Wow. So we could only run those two bottom lanes.

I mean, you could, I mean, if everybody was smart about it, you could run three wide. I mean, it's not an issue. But, like, you're three wide and the arrow package we have. I mean, you're super loose. Yeah, I talked to Justin Haley last night for a little bit, and he said, and I'm not going to throw them on a bus here, but he said the Xfinity cars were like a handful to drive. Oh, yeah. Compared to the cup cars.

The cup cars were basically glued to the racetrack. The Xfinity cars, not so much. Yeah, when they dropped the green, we run like three or four laps before our first yellow. And I keyed the radio, I was like, we're super free right now. But everybody was. I mean, everybody was all over the place. But the cars who got it figured out first, like the 21, the 48, they were good all day because they just, you know, they had that fire off speed.

But I don't know. I mean, it's fun. But at the same time, it's like, you know going into Atlanta now that you're probably going to tear something up. You know, it's just like speed rate. What do you think? about no practice. I'm here for it because usually the first two corners I can pass like six or seven people. Is that because you're a boss of the wall or what?

I guess. But, you know, I mean, it's hit or miss, right? I mean, you could unload and knock the splitter off of it and be dragging the splitter until the first caution comes out or you can be really good. But do you think that not having practice was maybe some of the reason why there were so many cautions in that Xfinity race because of the inexperience? I would say there was some people in the field that are. were in experience and maybe, you know, couldn't handle some things like that.

But, I mean, that's every week, right? I mean, especially in your trucks. Here's going to rate to happen here. Brett don't spot no more, so he wants practice all the time. It's like Dale's talking about, Dale talking about salaries need to go down after he retired. Salaries should never go down. I want everybody to be rich. I'm going to tell you, if we have practice, we're only going to get half of what they,

because they're going to crash anyway in practice. Yeah. I think y'all should practice eight hours a weekend. Yeah, I bet. Only on road course weekends when you're there. I'm not spotting road courses. I'm spotting Richmond. I'm not in.

I don't know. There's no practice at Richmond. I think you should go to Koda. If I'm allowed to go, I need another spotter. I got on the roof the other day and somebody goes, who in the fuck is running the couch racer? I said, why? I don't know. Probably Brett.

They said, some, some, I'm talking about we need more practice. I said, it's definitely, Brett. I said, now that he's retired, he wants us to have five hours of breakfast. Wasn't you who said that Chase Elliott, by the concern for his ride? Because I knew that had you all over it. No, what happened? Oh, he did it Oh, totally

Oh, he did it The kiss emoji At the end is all I needed Yeah, that's definitely Brett It was, I will say The top line If you got all the way By the wall,

You couldn't run all the way Against the wall In the cup race here It was just dirty Is that why you didn't Protect the top Come up in the checker Yeah

Alright, bud Come on the run here Oh, a little bit Here's why he's bitter He's bitter because A, he didn't protect the top And B, the guy that beat him Is Joy LaGano

He's mad That's why I would be mad Just a minute Well, I'm going to go ahead and tell you, A, I'm not turning the steering wheel, and B, I was talking the entire time. I got an elevator with T.J. on the way down. He said, if I had a remote control, we'd be in defense right now. The only thing they played on TV was you said outside. They never played you say, get to the top, protect the top. So you're uninformed. Coming outside. Yes. This is your chance to tell me that you didn't f*** this up. I didn't, I did not. I mean, we have it in spot on, spot off. So don't worry. We'll bring it up again.

I did not. Listen, man. I mean, Joey, Joey had an unblockable run down the front. You can't block that run without probably one of y'all reckoned. He did not have an unblockable run come out too. Listen. He did have an unbockable run. Listen to me. You spotted that race? If you go back and look, Brad hasn't blocked.

And for some reason, fades down a little bit. Why? I don't know. Like, I would have just took the top and said, I think it's almost like he expected Joey to cut down. Like he was anticipating that. He didn't. Okay.

So on that note, you have Joey and then you have what, Tyler or Christopher who's on the top? Christopher. Who would you have picked to support you and to support you and to push you to the front. Protect your right rear. Rule number one at all cost. All costs. You cannot let a guy

of your right rear. Stause you out. You're done. Every day. I cringed for you. I'm so sorry, TJ. I'm not sorry. I got a good look at it

because I was a half a track behind everybody running 39. Yeah. You literally finish like, you finished last in every race, did you? If I wasn't last, I was pretty f***ing.

What happened in that first spin? I mean, I just lost it. What happened in an exfendi race? You blow up? Yeah, rear gear. think something? Oh.

I'll tell you it in a long day. I'll tell you it a long day yesterday. It was Priese. Oh, my God. That had to be a long day. Seven cylinders for 200 laps. All you can get. I've been there.

He was 16 lapsed. I got lapsed 16 times in a plate race. Straight up by speed. How's that minimum speed working? All right. Well, Casey, we might as well kick this thing off. All right. Spot on, spot off.

Spot on, spot off. Spot off. Spot off. Spot-all. It was super fun yesterday to ride around there. I am spot-off. Damn. Where did he come from? Freddie, since you are on top of your game today, spot-on, spot-off. I've added notes, by the way, so this is it. I'm done.

Thankfully, we are at the final topic. Golden Gooseys. You know that we can handle it much more. I thought it was a good race. I don't think a lot of people agreed with you. I told you we should skip spot-off, spot-off. I absolutely told you we should skip it. straight to DBC picks.

Let's start one idiot right now. Yeah, let's just, I mean, what an idiot could probably be a 30-minute segment right now. Josh, throwing you into the fire. Bring it. You parked your car at the start-finish line and walked away from the vehicle after being ordered by series officials to bring his car to the garage during Saturday's Xfinity Series race. They told me parked that day.

What an idiot. They told to park that thing and he parked it. he parked it. I'm just going to give him that. I give you props for giving the peace sign instead of the other ones. I was so worried. I see, you know, we're on the roof. I can't.

I see him. I see Josh unbuckling. I'm like, holy shit. He's getting out of his car. And then he gets out and I've seen the hand go up and I'm like, oh, God, Josh, please tell me you didn't flip the tower off like will power style. And then somebody later on, oh, thank God. Somebody's like, no, he threw a peace sign up there. I was like, who.

All right. I know my limits. Yeah. I mean, clearly. I actually waved at the. at the flagman. I mean, we're good friends, right? So I, like, waved at him.

Who was flagging? Rich? I think so. They looked right at me, and they were like, you know, they were like, oh, I hope they don't see me. Like, they wave back. We talked about it in the hall, or they're like, did you see us wave back? I was like, yeah.

It's good, fun. I mean, this is becoming, I saw this happen, happened at Florence in the late mall race that did with Dale Jr. down there last fall. Yeah, Chandler, I was giving Chandler a play-by-play. I said, oh, I said, John. Josh just parked his car to start finish line. Oh, Josh is getting out of his car. All right, Josh is leaving.

So then he channel's like, somebody else did that. Who was it, Diaz, I think? They got out of start finish line. Same thing, Josh. I mean, that's all just reactionary, right? I mean, like, and obviously you're pissed off. Like, how does that go through your body? So Reed So Orson is your spotter.

Yeah. Let's blame it on Reed. Let's tell you guys how this works. NASCAR, the tower announces these types of things over NASCAR radio. And the spotters and crew chiefs are generally listening. And the spotter's job is to tell you that NASCAR has deemed your car basically disqualified from the race.

So Reed tells you what? He said, NASCAR said, park it. And I said, come again? He said, yeah, they told us to park it. And then it got real quiet for a long time. And I'm like, just riding around. And I was like, hello? I was like, are we really done?

Like, is this serious? Yeah, they were hollering on the radio numerous times. Oh, yeah. So at this point, I'm like creeping down the front stretch. Just waiting to hear like. And I stopped. And I didn't do it right then. Like I just stopped and I was like waiting.

And it was nothing. Apparently they were all talking to the officials. I just unplugged and I'm like, I'm just going to get out. I mean, it was like that. I mean, I didn't like, I wasn't like riding around like, oh, I'm going to cause the scene. I was like slowing down and be like, what are we doing? Do you think, do you, I think I know the answer to this question? Do you think you should have been parked?

I don't think so, no I don't either Yeah I mean and I think that's why This is getting so much attention Is because the court of public opinion Is on your side I hate to tell you

That's not going to help you As to what they're going to do to you But at the end of the day I go back to what I said man The TV broadcast was so extended And it was I mean Justin Algar Called it quote embarrassing

Like I think we were just to the point To where you you were Just the scapegoat for man, this is a bad broadcast, and we're going to park this guy. Yeah. I mean, it is a rule, right? We saw the rule, Bob. The rule is, it's up to their discretion, right?

They can give you any penalty they want, right? I think so, yeah. Yeah, like, they could have gave you, like, a lap or two laps or something. Because I would have got it back because there was plenty of comments. Yeah, but it just, you know, it's unfortunate, right? So we got our sponsor on the car, right? They're Atlanta-based. Everyone's there.

And we made, like, I don't even know how many laughs we made. But it wasn't enough. So it's like, what do we do? Well, I guess it kind of worked out for him better than if we would have won the race, to be honest. But, you know, it's like that sucks, you know, for everybody. And for points for us, I mean, we rely on getting through the off season, on making that top 20 to get our bonus. You know, so we can pay everybody and get our cars back ready for next year. So minor setback.

Maybe a major setback. We're going to go with minor. Can you tell us what Mario said to you before you walked off from a pit block? I've known Mario for a long time. Yeah. And he's known me for a long time. and he said, be careful what you say. You know what you do for a living.

I said, I know. I said, I got it. I mean, 16-year-old Josh probably would have flipped the pit box over. But, you know, 29-year-old Josh said, I got to have a job on Saturday. So looking back on it now, looking back on it now, obviously, having a long conversation with NASCAR and, you know, I think I just saw a tweet that your Twitter followers have grown, what, 8,000 since Saturday? That's a good deal. you know, we know what you do on the side. You visit children's hospitals. You are, you support the community in more ways than so many other drivers. Looking back on what happened Saturday, what are you

hoping comes from all of this, whether it be your perception, the future of the sport, representing drivers who maybe are in your situation a lot. What are you hoping comes from, Kremlin? I mean, my biggest deal is like when I was young, I wanted to get to NASCAR because it was like, it was the, the place to be. You know, I'm a short track racer. You know, all old school guys, you know, they worked on their own stuff. And if they had an issue with somebody, they got out and they either fought each other or went to Waffle House and talked about it. And that stuff's like gone. You know what I mean?

Like drivers get into it. They tweet each other for a couple minutes and then it's over. I'm not like that. I'd rather fight on the front stretch. You know what I mean? Like when I was 15 years old, I did that Humpey's Heroes driver deal that they had. I don't know. This was like, you know.

I remember that. Yeah. And I talked to Humby-Willer a lot, and he said, you know, he says, if you're going to fight, Josh, he said, do it on the front stretch. He said, I'd pay you're fine. He said, because that's what puts fans in stands. I mean, and that's not what we're here to do, right? Yeah. But, like, there's no more emotion.

It's just you take what you get and you leave, and I'm not that guy. TJ, should Josh be suspended? Don't answer that. Don't do it. It's up to you. Yes or no. I don't feel like he should be suspended. I don't feel like he should be suspended.

I really don't feel like he should be suspended. I don't feel like you should be suspended. Why? I just don't think that's a suspension-worthy offense. That's all. It's just... Do you think he will be suspended? Man, I don't know.

He just talked about fighting. You better be careful. He said right beside you. He didn't fight, though. He didn't fight. I noticed his apparel and... What's wrong on my shirt? It says can't park here.

Stop. Show up. Let it go. I think, I mean, it's 50-50 to be right. I really don't have any idea. I mean, we were at one to go coming to the green and they had, I mean, they were some mad people at that point in time. So what did NASCAR say over the radio when he parked there?

Nothing. Tochuk hold the one to go. Hold the one to go. It's all they said. So then they froze. Yeah. Hold the one to go and clean up three, come on or four. You know, they said driver, crew chief, owner of the 92 to the NASCAR hall.

No spot. No spotter. Reed got off. Reed got off easy. Reed come to the holler and check on him. He's like, you good? I'm like, yeah. I was like, you don't have to be in here?

He goes, no. I'm like, what? That's like the first time ever that something's happening that the spider hasn't got caught in there. Here's where you messed up, Josh. I'm going to tell you this now.

If you would have just said, if you would have just said the car wouldn't steer anymore, you could have got off like Kyle did for parking his car last year and getting out of Darlington. Knocked the old pump belt off. Yeah, so I, you know what?

Some bitch wouldn't run no more. Shut off. I don't know what happened. got out so looking under the hood or something, then like, if you would have got out and popped the hood, that would you've been good right now. Pull the sterling, started pulling the fender out. Yeah, working on the fenders. I should have fucked the barren.

Kyle did the same thing. Kyle Bush did the exact same thing last year, drove down pit road at Darlington. The year or a couple years before he got a fine for hitting the cones. So he didn't, he just parked on pit road, got out and walked off. And we held, we had a whole, we slowed the race down just as much. We held the pit road opening because the 18 was. parked in the middle of pit road. Is that temper tantrum different than Josh's temper tantrum?

The only way it's different is because Kyle said the car wouldn't steer. The only reason is different. Well, dang. You just need to be a better liar. I should have a note on the day. I should have texted you this. I'm sorry while you were sitting there. I didn't hear running.

It just shut off. I wouldn't have gotten it anyways. I had my phone. It just shut off, didn't. I didn't hear it running when you got there. Yeah. It wouldn't fire. Wouldn't fire.

Well, I'm going to tell you this. It was entertaining. That's good. And I think you got your point. the cross and and I must say this and I'll probably get in trouble I'll probably be suspended with you all right time out I I personally do not think you deserve a suspension I think you stood up for the little guy and and obviously you're not a little guy but you know what I mean like there there's the working man and there's the guys who haven't made like when you look at history and you look at

Kyle Busch and you look at chase Elliott and you look at Harrison Burton there are kids and and young guys that have made it big in this sport, but they've never had to work the way you have to work. Fair? Yeah. Fair? I agree. Fair. Fair? Freddie? Fair. They've never been in a bad race car, not one time in their life. Now, they may have been on a race car that didn't drive great, but they had all the funding in the world, all the sponsors, all the people, all the crew chiefs, all the engineering, all the things. You do not. And I think for you to be singled out in that scenario was complete bull-d-and-I-and-I think what you did was also complete bull-ed. but it's a mixed bag it is but you got your you got your point across so um kudos to you and i hope

they don't come down on you too hard i think that i i think that i i agree with you guys that there's no way if you had made multiple pit stops and something fell off and i had to go pick it up and then something else fell off and i'd go pick it up then you come down a little bit harder but you had just left pit road for the first time i believe working on it you know come out drive through one to just because we were coming to one it was all a timing scenario like it was just bad timing stars a line yeah every like the race was a disaster we were coming to one to go when you left pit road bear bond flies off the thing they have to they don't hold it which they if they would I still think if they would have just saw the bear

bomb before we went green for that one lap they would have it still would have that would have that would have changed a scenario on itself totally you know it's just they didn't see that so then we go green then they see it throw the yellow what it was like a half a lap one lap into yeah I didn't know what was it was going on at that one. Yeah, because we can't hear the cautions because the radios don't work. But it was just all, unfortunately, the stars in line for you

and chose to handle the way you did and hopefully they don't suspend you. Luckily, Danny's going to pay your fine, I heard, so that's good. He can afford it. Yeah. You can be deemed Danny with me. I don't know. You can just go and one round saying Danny's great to everybody. It would be amazing. It was funny. If you look at the comments under it, people were like,

Danny, I didn't like you before, but I'm a fan of you now. And you know, he's like, what? That whole trend started when he came on here. So your fan base is going to grow up. So I'm not going to ask you what they said, but who did all the talking to the holler? Wayne. Wayne. Yeah. Wayne was mad.

I bet he was in a good mood. He was mad. I mean, I like Wayne. I mean, I mess with Wayne all the time. And it's like, you know, I told him, I'm like, Wayne, I mean, you understand. He's like, no, I understand. He said, but this is NASCAR. And I'm like, I get that.

I said, but you know me. He's like, oh, I know. Listen, they ain't perfect either. They gave me a penalty that I didn't have on Saturday night. So all of a sudden, they start hollering 16, tailed a long. longest line. I'm like, oh, I must not be paying attention. I guess we got a penalty. So I'm like, so I said, Chandler, you got to back up. We're coming to green. It's like three to go in a stage. So I tell Chandler, get, you got to back up on the bottom. There was probably like

seven or eight cars lined up behind us up. I said, check up hard, get behind this guy before we go green. So we go green, run three laps. I said, just run it out. We're probably going to stay out. Just a stage, whatever. Go back now, work at Pit Road. And I go down to Kyle, our spotter official said, Kyle, what the, what happened there? Like I said, what was our penalty? I didn't hear it. I said, we were working on the car. So I thought maybe be too many men over the wall or something. I just didn't hear it. I must have been talking. And they're like, uh, yeah, they said, sorry about that.

That was on that. Wow. I'm like, well, good thing I wasn't racing. You know what I mean? Like, good thing I wasn't like, what do you mean? Sorry about that. You know what I mean? Like, how does that work?

That happened to be at Martinsville last year. Really? Like, I mean, I get it. Nobody's perfect. But I mean, that's a pretty big situation. We talked about in here last week, race controls is not operating at its optimum level right now. And that was another case of that this weekend. So, continue.

on a similar topic of the Expedity series, Rice, Justin Allgaier says that the Atlanta reconfiguration has completely ruined this place and went on to say he's kind of embarrassed for the sport right now. Spot on, spot off, Brett. Man, Justin's...

I guess Josh ain't be the only one getting fined this week. Justin's comments at this point in the day were actually spot on, and Lugano was in the booth with Suarez. And Ligano immediately basically went in a salesman mode, which I told you guys last week on the show I hate. I hate when TV tries to sell me on how great it is. Your job is to basically do the show and tell me what you think. But for me,

Casey, like his comments right then were spot on because it was embarrassing. I mean, we just watched a truck race that had 11-ish cautions in it. And here we are seven cautions into stage one, it felt like in the Xfinity race. So I agree with Justin that we ruined the place because I loved old Atlanta. I love tire wear. I love watching the guys work the seams, watching guys work the top, getting big runs off of two, running the bottom of three and four, a big bump you'd hit coming out of four. Like I, I appreciated all those things as a race fan. And to me, this was this was not a great look for the sport, unfortunately. Spot all. I mean, spot on for Justice Comments. Give me back old, worn out Atlanta where you've got to drive the

race car, you've got to save tire. Tires matter like this. I get it. It's kind of gimmicky. And It's going to trend back in that direction unless they just get and repave it every five or ten years, whatever it is. But, you know, it's just, I don't know. It's kind of like we talked about how bad the Super Speedway package is now with this. And it feels like the same if you're just stuck. Like it takes, like I saw Noah had a interview yesterday where he's like, I was trying to be aggressive, but I just penalized myself. Every time I try to make a move, he'd be running in the top 10. He'd try to make a move and he'd be tailed a line because, you know, you just couldn't, you couldn't do anything unless you had a couple of guys.

to go down there with you or three or four um you know and so if we're a single file you're just stuck there until something happens kind of like the plate races get and i just this i don't know like i get it we do that to plate races i don't think we need to turn you know half of our races into this this is going to be six races of the schedule now where we just ride around for half the race and then we race a little bit we know we get two by two and race for the last stage maybe but you know it's just i don't know just i i loved Atlanta i loved the old Atlanta you know watching kevin harvick paint the line and one and two and wear us out forever there that's where they turned harvicking you know it's just i wish it would get back to that this versus what we got now i mean his comments

are correct about the the amount of cautions we have but most of that was controlled by the drivers don't you why do who wreck two back there i know is jrm on jrm crime again who what uh well we had contact with the seven we were in the middle of the track and we were kind of we got hit down in the middle track. The 51 ran into the back of it so hard off a two. He was selling pit passes. I got to watch this on TV. I saw the 51 hit us and you can't tell on the backstress from our view if they're middle or high really until there's, you know, bumpers overlap. So, and then all of a sudden I see the seven just go turn it out. I'm like, oh gosh, what happened? And I don't know.

It looked like they just kind of met in the middle a little bit. Both going for the same. Yeah, I don't know if they, I mean, Josh wasn't like, oh, there's a seven. Let me get him here. and the Justin wasn't like, well, there's a eight, or I'm gonna block him or whatever. I just think they were, they just met in the middle. Coincidence. Yeah, but the other wrecks, like the spinning out and a three and stuff, it was really windy yesterday, the last couple days there too.

So I'm not so sure the wind didn't hurt the entry to three at all, but those guys had to drive it, and the exfini cars were a handful, man. That's where a guy like him, if he doesn't get in that wreck and caught up at anything yesterday, he was probably going to mind like a top 10 finish, you know? And that's where a guy like him, has a big advantage because he knows how to race smart and we did a lot in the arka races too you just take care of yourself and and you come out with a good finish but a lot of the wrecks were controlled they were just forced you know it just errors like it we didn't um just a lot of mistakes

and that was the embarrassing part is guys just driving over their head that probably weren't ready to be at that level yet right i mean you went in turn three and you got loose and what did you think at that point, okay, well, I need to back off a little bit here and not put myself in any bad situations. Well, I don't know if a lot of them think that. They're just... Oh, they don't for sure. Well, yeah, you see it firsthand. Oh, yeah. And they just hammered down in the corner still and then, oh, I got to lose and well, you wonder why. So I think it opened up, you know, like a McSfini cars are my favorite cars to watch on the track because they're, they're a handful of drive. And, you know, you see them sideways and they fight the, um, you can get people lose by getting right behind them.

can pull the air off their door in the corner you know you can't do that stuff in the cup car but i just think it was an extremely hard track to drive with that car and there was a lot of mistakes do i have to that's your type of race don't worry we've cut out and say anything real dumb that was your type of race but no like yeah i agree with justin i mean it's not what it used to be you know like old school Atlanta the the mile and a half is usually for like the smaller teams we usually struggle a little bit, you know, all smaller teams, right? Because it's all arrow platform. You got to have all the cool, fancy trick stuff. But with the rule changes and as bad as the cars drive, which I actually like the way they drive, they don't drive bad, but they're harder to

drive. Old Atlanta would have been awesome. So like, that's, Atlanta's usually my best mile and a half. So, like, I think I started like 28th or something last year and I drove to 12th because you have to drive the car. Like, you're sideways, everything's happening. But this type of racing, if you're too free, you're sideways you can't go nowhere you're stuck and some of them commit like sage caram he come from the trunk and i'm wrecking loose and he gets to me and he runs into me down a trial will picks me up turns me sideways and he never lets go with me and i'm like bro we're fixing a wreck so he finally lets go with me i hang on to it then he rolls my outside sucks the air off of me so i'm still sideways middle of three i'm like what are you doing we're on like lap 12

that's what i'm talking about stuff like that gosh is what idiot is this week ding ding ding ding i've i've had problems him every time he races. Seems like a lot of people do. I mean, he's a good guy to talk to. He puts his helmet on and he's like, here we go. Yeah. I've seen Smithley have an issue with his spotter this week.

I would say. What happened there? I seen his tweet. I don't know what I have him. Coleman Presley does an awesome job on the broadcast of describing the roles that spotters do. He really does. But when they brought up the whole.

Spotter thing. What happened? I don't know what happened. The Sputter apparently told him to go high. Guess where the cars were? I guess they were high. They were high. Guess what happened?

Garrett hit him. He's probably going to hit him anyway. So Coleman's like, I mean, on that deal, you know, it's a lot of banking and you think it's going to clean itself kind of like Bristol and the cars hadn't come down yet. It's just a 50-50 shot. Well, I'm going to tell you something. It's 100% zero shot. If you told them to go high and the cars are up there, there's a hundred percent

chance you're going to hit something. At least hit them on the slide down, yeah. Yeah. And literally, man, as a spotter, our job is to try to keep our guys out of regs, duh, right? State Navvies. But for me, I always try to tell the driver what I see so they can make a decision unless I know go low is the move. I would never say go high while cars are parked up there. There's a solid chance if you're a spotter and you do that.

You probably should not spot anymore. I can, right? I don't know who it was, but. when they start wrecking on the bottom, they're going to go up. I think that's what he saw. The wreck started on the bottom, and then it goes up. I don't think he has... Saw a chance he'll be with Josh this weekend watching the home.

He probably doesn't have a lot of laughs. I'm going to need that log-in to the Couch Racer. I'll get blamed for the tweets no matter what you said anyway. What I've learned, you can say anything you want. If it's mean on Couch Rager, they just all assume it's bread anyway. Hashtag this is a little. Freddy, I mean, I mean, you know us you got i mean you wrecked garret at kansas right what guy yeah he he ain't

afraid to throw his spotter under the bus i'll give you that but that was i'll tell you one thing that was the last race i spotted for garret smith what did you do i did my job and apparently he couldn't hear me leaders are come and move up i said i said here come i think it was bell and uh maybe brisco i said get up there and wreck these sons of bs let's get on tv we need some tv time yeah He just listened. He listens well. Go high. Okay.

There's cars up there. I mean, listen, that's kind of the other thing. Like, Garrett Smithley is not new to this. Like, no matter what the spotter's saying, if they're wrecking in front of you and sliding across the racetrack, Logano said on TV that the driver in that scenario can't see it has to trust the spotter. Okay. I'm just telling you what Lagano said.

Two-time champ, right? I mean, unless there's smoke everywhere. There's winter. I mean, there was some smoke. But I mean, Ligano said you can't see. I believe him over y'all. I'm sure T.J. too.

Your best chances are to aim for the thin smoke, not the thick smoke. Oh, I'm going to use that one. Yeah. Aim for the thin smoke. If we reckon, I'm saying that, I'm blaming you. Aim for the thin smoke. What are you doing?

That was the thin smoke. The thin smoke every time. TJ, this next one is for you. What is it? Brad Kislowski says there was nothing I could do to stop Lugano's winning move on that last lap. Spot on or spot off? I mean, he's right.

When the seven, I knew when the seven pushed the 22 through and they were both clear, they were flying. They made up a lot of ground from the first dog leg to the second dog leg. And I mean, I knew if we parked in front of them the whole time, we were probably getting spot out. Yeah, I don't know. Brad probably could have kept opening a wheel up, but I don't know if it gets Brad loose, Rex Us, Rex Jones.

Joey. I don't know. It was a huge run. And we got passed. So mine to the next one. I think Brad is up here. Like I think he had, I think he had it blocked and I think he anticipated a move that didn't happen and gave up his right rear. You know, and like we say, that's, that's, that's rule number one, especially in that former race. We saw it last year with Chase and Corey when they wrecked each other. Chase was, he essentially wrecked Corey, making sure Corey couldn't get to his right rear, you know, and it's just a death sentence. You let somebody on your right rear, you're done. I will say, though, Joey passes for the lead a little bit earlier than that and went,

went to the high side, then cut to the bottom and cleared us. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I'm not saying, listen, I just think that I don't know that he wouldn't have cleared you. If he, if Brad keeps going up and he turns down, he still might have cleared you. Yeah. But I just, I think that in that situation, it's probably after the third place car. This is Monday morning couch racing, you know, this is, this is, you know, I just think that

you're better off protecting your right rear. if they go to the bottom, you pick up, whoever can pick you up and maybe have a better shot at it, which you tried to do on the bottom. But I just think, for some reason, it was weird to watch. I just watched it back this morning.

Like, Brad goes up, and I felt like he had it blocked, and then he comes for some reason, just kind of fades back middle a little bit. Like, he almost thought Joey was going to, you know, fake him and go hello and just. Well, that's the move Joey pulled earlier. Yeah.

Is that what he assumed? He doesn't know. He doesn't know. He's giant. Yeah, but like, usually race car drivers don't do the same thing twice, right? Yeah. They're going to show you one time. Joey was like, eh, he fell for it.

Yeah. This changes your season. I hate to say that. If you win that race. Dude, my season right now is 100 points better than it was last year. I just think it changes your season on a lot of ways. And Brad is one of the best race car drivers in the field. I truly believe that.

I think he's in equipment that clearly doesn't give him the opportunity to show that off every week. I know they're working hard on getting their equipment better. and I think this changes your season. I mean, if he doesn't win a race this year, misses a playoff, it's because of this. And he had the block made. He didn't keep fading the top. He left the top open, and when he did, he lost race.

And I couldn't believe it because I know how aggressive T.J. is as a spotter. And for whatever reason, it seems like the same spotters and drivers end up in the front every race, right? And here is T.J., a very well-known plate spotter, even though we don't have plates anymore. and a very known Super Speedway driver, they're in the front of this thing, and they're in contention, and y'all lost the race.

You had the race potentially won. You lost it off to you. It's not the first race I've lost. I know. It won't be the last. No, it's not going to be the last either. I was leaving the Daytona 500 on the backstresh and men wreck. So, I mean, it's not the first time.

It ain't easy. No, it's not the first time, probably nor the last time. So the last thing you want to do is go back and look at this. time and time again. All you can do is look at it, learn from it, and move on to the next one. How high was your heart rate when you took Dwight? I don't know. Want me to look? Did you track it? Did you track it? When you have his watch on? Yeah. Won't it doesn't it track it? I'm going to say it was 112. Yeah. It's probably not super high. I would say one. Dude, I got ice in my age. 118. Yeah, but your resting heart rate is 70, right? If you're

normal. I would say if you're running as hard as you can, it's 145. If I'm running as hard as can, it's 220 and you're in an ambulance dying. I would say TJ's heart rate was 10, 112. I don't even know how to get to it. Yeah. Well, we won't slow the show down. No. Josh, spot on.

Spot off. But you sounded excited when you started screaming outside, outside, outside, outside. Yeah, because I didn't want to get turning. You see Daytona? We got right hooked into the wall of Dayton. I didn't need to see that happen again. That's not fun when you see that. You know, TJ actually taught me how to speedway race.

Did you know that? No, I didn't know that. Eye racing? No. He uh, funny, he was, put your funny shoes on the day,

didn't you? He was, uh, he started spotting for me when I first started running a speedways when I was 18 in the Arcus series. We won't a damn race too. We did.

But it got taken. It did. Did you get disqualified? No, we didn't get disqualified. They went back and reviewed it for like eight minutes. Did they ever review whether or not you finished second? Yeah,

what happened there? I don't know. Did you see? I think they protested. There's a, there's a clear shot at the start finish line. Bell beats Brad to the line, it looks like by,

like a two feet. Yeah, like a, yeah. Yeah, I don't, I was curious about that too, because I looked at the pylon when we were by. I'm like, I mean, it was too close for me to see you right there. And I looked at the pile on it says 620, so I'm like, all right, right, right. They're second.

Their transponders mounted further forward. Yeah, they moved their stuff up. He threw it out the window right before the line. Old go cart trick. Yeah, it's tough to do that stuff, man. Like, you know, and do you guys, does Brad run the digital mirror? Does he have a real mirror? He's got a digital mirror in there, too.

So I wonder what, I mean, I don't have that. But when I drove the cup car of BJs, you know, we just ran a standard mirror. And I'm sure that the digital mirror is kind of a false sense of where everyone is. I'm looking at a photo where Brad does not finish second in the race. No, it's bad. He finishes third. Yeah. There's no question.

Yeah, but I'd take it. I mean, if that yellow line is accurate, I don't know. If you put the camera back behind the cars, we looks like we win. Yeah. But where's the timeline? Is it in the middle? That's what I'm saying. I don't know.

If the yellow line's accurate, Bell's second, but I don't... It's probably the start of the checkered. Yeah. Because Brad was closer there for sure. Yeah. But it still looks behind there. He's still behind him. Oh, wow.

So which one is the line? Well, we go back to the scoring loop on the middle of the backstretch. Oh. I think they would look at that a little bit more closely. That's my favorite. Those when everybody parks at the bottom on the front stretch. They're all waiting. Everybody parks at the bottom.

Only you park at the bottom. Only you park at the bottom. That's me, baby. We kind of did that when we won We had a wait Yeah We rode around like side of the rest. Do you buy me Millions of people watch you walk across that grass?

Yeah, yeah, it was a lot. I mean, your sponsors have to be thrilled With the coverage they received this weekend Yeah. One of the sponsors, uh, Cool Ray I think they were pretty They were pretty pumped about up. I mean, they're racers too

So like, you know, he used to dirt race Back in the day and he's got like his own Eye Racing League and stuff. They run dirt cars and, you know, it's cool. And the first time I ever met him, uh, he looks me and he goes, a mullet,

huh? I'm like, yeah. He's like, I like you, kid. So we looked at all of his old racing photos and stuff. So they were excited,

man. And, you know, my wife looked it up last night. She's like, you do realize that like eight, like nine million people have searched Josh Williams. I'm like, oh, man.

So Nilsson Ratings gives us a lot of TV value. Yeah. On the sponsorship side. I wish Nilsen ratings would actually donate their time to tell you. you how much value you got and walking across the grass because it was a lot. I mean, you're talking about millions, multi millions of dollars of exposure for you to get suspended. I've seen it on Pat McAfee.

I mean, you got a lot of retweets and shares. ESPN. You made ESPN? I did. That's good. That's good. I broke. Josh is like, I'm going to stop talking.

Well, everybody's like, oh, we're going to do it. Look at you. 10. Oh, 10. I said 110. I went before heartbeats off. Look at me. Everybody's like, we're going to do a go fund me for Josh.

And I was like, we don't take money from fans, right? So I think we're going to do something for like the Seacrest Foundation that we do. So on that note, you are a former Comcast Media Champion for 2022. And your foundation is the Ryan Sechrest Foundation, which is, I mean, how many hospitals have you visited so far? Oh, man. A lot. I think it was like 110 by last year. It's over 100.

Yeah. So I hear you will be selling shirts that are going towards that foundation. So you're turning something that happened into a good thing, really, helping out the kids. Yeah, for sure. Is that one of them? No, this is a one-off. That's a one-off. This is a custom.

I don't know you could put a white out on a shirt and make it look that cool. You liked it? Hey, when you're done, can we hang it on a hanger on the wall here? Sure. So, but you're selling shirts for the foundation. For charity. Yeah. You're turning it into a good thing to help others.

And where can they buy the shirts at? On my store. We will make sure you send out a link later on. Oh, yeah. Oh, I'm sure you'll see it. At least it's for the kids, right? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it's something cool.

I mean, everybody's like, oh, we're going to do this. We're going to do that. I'm like, I'll help the kids out. That's awesome. Keep that deal going. Josh6wilums.com. Yeah. That's your website.

Everything's Josh Six Williams. Everything. It had to be because you got the other Josh Williams. At Brett Tagg, Josh. Brett tagger-all Josh. I did too. Did you see Josh tweet? He's like, can you guys please send the fine to the correct, Josh?

Josh, the golfer spotter guy? Josh, golf or spotter guy. It's funny. Like, people get mad at them on irascing and they'll like send me a message. You're a dick. And I'm like, dude, I don't even iris. And they're like, it's just not you? I'm like, no.

And I'll send it to Josh. I'll be like, bro, you got to quit. You got to knock it off. He's ruining your reputation. He really is. You're in a hospital. He's rehearsed this one. I mean, geez.

Oh, moving on to more NASCAR fish eating. Chad Canouse says nobody is holding the single source providers at the level they need to be to give us the parts that we need. After NASCAR assessed Hendrik Motorsports, a penalty that included a fine of $400,000. Just let Brett have all of our time. Yeah, Brett, spot on, spot off. I think Chad's lost his mind. No. And, you know, you're calling out, listen, I don't like the way that things are going on the Cup Series right now,

where you have a single source provider. I enjoy the craftsmanship of a guy being able to fabricate his own body and hang his own body and make modifications to whatever parts they want to make, right? I think that's what NASCAR was built on was the pioneering of guys like Leonard Wood. of the Wood Brothers, who was a brilliant mind, a guy like Del Inman, who was a brilliant mind, a guy like Ray Evernham, who was a brilliant mind, a guy like Chad Canauss, who was a brilliant mind. But the fact is, you're calling out the supplier partners and basically saying the things that we have in place don't work. So I don't know how this ends well. To me, this is a lot worse than

what Josh Williams did this weekend parking on the front stretch. Because Josh Williams, parked on the front stretch to say, man, you're screwing over to a little guy and I ain't taking it. Chad Kanauss is saying, we're Hendrick Motorsports and your supplier partners suck. I mean, here's, how can I spot on that? Here's where I get, here's where I get off topic here on this is like, listen, I could buy, if I'm calling it's a single source issue because calle racing has two cars out there, which means they have four louvers.

They took one of them from calling racing, which makes no sense. Which makes absolutely no sense. You know what I mean? So, but guess what they took from Hendrick? all eight. All eight. You know what I mean? You know, it wasn't like, oh, we had a little issue with this one over here.

No, they, so they were clearly doing something that they shouldn't have been doing. I get it. That's hit or miss with these single source deals. And you're going to have that when you have one person making all of the louvers for the entire series or each manufacturer, whatever it is. But, you know, when something like Collie Racing has one of their fork taken versus eight of eight going, I think there's a difference there. And I thought, I saw a really good tweet from Mark Martin this week. It was a picture of, you know, I don't know, probably like maybe early 80s, late 70s cup race. And it's just all these different body styles.

And Mark Martin said, you know, back in these days, we didn't worry about what the hell everybody else had. We just worried about making our better. And that's what these guys, you know, obviously we can't do that anymore because of, but, you know, that's, we need to get back to that of, you know, I hate to see the craftsmanship and the fabrication side of it just essentially disappear. Well, Chad said he could go. get stock louvers that are supplied to him and put them on the car and the hood wouldn't close. That he had, I mean, it's like he's trying to publicly say, I have reasoning for why we did what we did. And then you have colleagues saying, we didn't do anything.

This is the way, why would we modify one louver? Well, you wouldn't. Yeah. Right. Yeah, if you're going to do it, you do it. You got to commit to it. If you're going to do it, you might as well go all out. So I think Chad's shot at the sanctioning body right here is, because what's their response?

Well, we won't ever know their response because they're not going to come out and tell us. And so to me, man, he put, he put them on notice on behalf of the entire garage as saying, we're getting crappy parts. Am I lying? Oh, yeah. Well, I mean, we have some of the issues in the Xfinity series with like some of our five-star stuff. but it's like they have to make it so fast it's hard to like some hoods will be perfect some hoods will be low some hoods will be high or you know you might have a door that's

got something wrong with it but you can't do anything about it you know we don't have a choice the only thing i i find it funny that it was it's not like a car over here a car over there it's eight from the same thing so apparently you're doing something something was apparently they saw something that didn't like that's all i mean it would not surprise me i don't even know Have they announced when their appeal is being held? No, that's the weird thing too. Like when you're NASCAR, and I'll, listen, I'm pro NASCAR a minute ago. I'll be anti-NASCAR now.

When you announce the fines, why don't you have the ability right then to set the appeal? Because now you look crazy for not having an appeal date. And you got people's livelihoods in the, hanging in the balance. Like they don't know when they're going to appeal. They keep their crew chiefs at home this week and, quote, write it out. Like, I don't know. I mean, that's obviously a hindering decision. I will tell you this case.

I mean, Atlanta's not like a Darlington where the setup and the things are going to change. Yeah, I mean, you got high grip scenarios. I would be very surprised if the appeal doesn't happen this week if they keep them home at Cota. Because Cota's a place where you need strategy and you need a crew chief involved. Obviously, we make fun on the show a lot of times. We got practice too. That being crew chiefs being suspended, you all need a lot of practice. When you announce the fine, why wouldn't you say, and if you have an appeal, this is your court date.

if you get a speeding ticket guess what's on it a court date I know trust me I need to so on I have one listen I think

it would not surprise me it would not surprise me if they win their appeal like if they have some kind of documentation that says these louvers are screwed up and this is what we're doing

and NASCAR I don't you know they claim that they have it is there a template for the louver I assume yeah I assume I didn't pay attention we roll through tech I didn't know if the laser scan scanned the louver or they actually have a hand template.

I'm not sure how they check it. Can I say that I hate the louvers because it screws up the sponsors logos? Can I say that? Oh, they're hard to design, right? Because you design paint schemes. I hate them. I hate those things. So do the people who wrap the cars.

Oh, my goodness. Take them. I hate them. I literally hate them. Yeah. They're fun to drive on a road course. I refuse to drive a cup car on a mile and a half. Kind of on a similar topic.

last week was a big week, I would say, for NASCAR penalties. They made some money. Yeah. I hope not. Denny Hamlin originally was not going to appeal his penalty, but now will be appealing his penalty after he basically admitted. No, he didn't basically admit. He admitted the actions taken last week. Tell us what you guys think about that and if you feel he will win this one.

I know he got his shingles shot. He did get his shindricks shingles shot. I thought he was cursing out Kelly Crandall. Did you see that interview? I thought he was saying, I thought he was being an asshole to Casey, Kelly Crandall. He's like, get your shink. What are you saying? But then I realized what he was saying.

But listen, there's, there's, I mean, me and Brad have a different rule number one. But I think rule number one of everybody's lives is don't you ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, tell on yourself. Like, I don't, I don't know that that was, that was very. smart by Dennis. Oh, Dennis. I just, I like Denny. Denny's great.

You got to get well with me on this. But here's my question. What is the difference between what Danny did and what Joey did at Darlington last year? Joey Lugano booted William Byron for the win, drove him straight in the fence, passed him, won the race, got out and said

did not say I intentionally ran in the back of him, but said you're not going to put me in the fence and get away with it. or something to that effect. So he is basically admitting he knocked William Byron out of the way to win the race. That is affecting the outcome of a race. That's checking all the same boxes Danny did last week,

but no penalty for Joey. He keeps the win, no fine, no points penalty two weeks later. It could be worse because he got a win. He got a win out of it. Yeah. I just, you know, I don't know. And what's the, what is the statute of limitations on this? Here's the question.

How many times a year do all of us, there's five of us sitting here with microphones, five and a half, Count Andrew, how many times a year do we see drivers wreck each other on purpose? A lot. A lot. Yeah, quite a bit. What is the difference if they admit to it or if they don't? Apparently $50,000 and 25 points.

Is it hard to tell when a driver wrecks another driver on purpose? It's really not hard. It's really not that hard. That's why I don't wear white gloves anymore? So why would we draw all this attention to the fact that Denny told the truth. He tweeted his mama taught him not to lie. He told the truth and he got pop for $50,000. I mean, do you want your drivers lying? Do you want your drivers not telling the people what they That's what they want? Because and what's the, if Joey Logano comes out, what's the statute of

limitations on this? If Lugano comes out and says, you know what? I intentionally punted Martin Truex and Martinsville five years ago to win that championship. Like, are we going to start taking points away from that? Like, okay, another incident. Martinsville. He told a lie and still got fined. Who's Matt Kensett. Oh, Kenseth. Yeah. It's just... Tire Blue. I just don't know. Like, if Denny doesn't, if Denny says this on this week's podcast instead of last week's, is there a fine still? I mean, I don't,

I don't know. I don't, I don't appreciate the fine for Denny telling the truth. Because Ross, Ross literally won again. Like, Ross has already wrecked this guy. How many times? Three times? He's wrecked him three times. And now Denny tries to wreck Ross, he wrecks himself, and then Ross wins again, because here Denny is getting fined, wrecked himself, then he got the short end of the stick. I'd love to see, I bet you Gabe Hart would probably like to choke Denny on Tuesday when that, like, it was essentially a 40-point penalty.

Yeah. Because he was running six, finished 23rd or 24th. Yes, it's a net loss. You hurt yourself there, and then you gave another 25 points. It's like you didn't even start the race. Yeah, you're forfeiting a race. You got zero points, essentially, for starting the rest. Damn it, Danny. This is usually, though, when he goes on the tear, because he did the last year, too. He was way behind in the beginning of the year

and then just... Yeah, gets fired up. Look, here's the thing, man. The top 30 in points rule going away makes all of these Hendrick cars getting fined points irrelevant. Because, look, I know William Byron would obviously like to have

his 10 playoff points back, but at the end of the day, he's still in the playoff, and those other guys are probably going to get in the playoffs. and when you look at colleague racing is completely different. Like they have, you talk about being top 20 in points. This fine to colleague racing is way

more than $100,000. Because it's going to completely change where you rank in the points at the end of the season in the event that you don't win a race. What are the odds to the 31 winning a race? Look, there's a chance he can win at playoff at road courses and play races. The odds of him going out and winning a Charlotte Motor Speedway

are very difficult. Texas, very difficult. Beating these super teams at places like Pocono and Michigan, very, very difficult to do. But when you look at their fine of $100,000, it's way more than $100,000. You're talking about hundreds of thousands of dollars being 20th in points versus where they're going to actually finish in the event that they don't make this playoff. So I think colleague racing got hammered way harder than Hendrick got hammered in this particular way because these Hendrick guys are still going to have an opportunity to make their money back by being in the playoff, top 10 in points and doing the things that they're going to do. But same thing happened to us last year.

It killed us. Yeah. Your whole season. Yeah. Now because of those penalties, we're fifth into points right now. If we don't have a bad restart at Phoenix, we're, I think we're probably third or fourth. So, I mean, it can really hurt. Drivers, drivers have a lot of ways to make money, right?

Obviously, they're going to get paid. Can you write those down for me? Well, I'm going to talk about cup drivers for a minute. Exfinity guys used to make a lot of money. I don't know what happened. I don't know either. But the Cubs guys, the big name cup guys get a base salary, right? They get 40-ish percent of the purse.

Wow. Big money. They get their licensing money. So a guy like Chase Elliott is selling a ton of T-shirts, guess what he's getting rich? You can Google Dale Jr.'s net worth. I think it's 300 million. Guess what he sold a lot of T-shirts. He was estimated to make 20 to 25 million a year per Forbes.

I'm not making it up. Still no boat. Still no boat. And then obviously you have your... Yeah, what's up with that? just cheap skate yeah he's not rich enough to give t j a boat but then you've got your your endorsements right so but when you're a driver if you have a true contract to the means that i just spoke of that end of the year point fund money is big oh yeah and now you're going to be 30th in points versus

20th in points man you're talking about a big big big big pay cut so i hope that we get down to the bottom of what happened with these louvers and i hope that that it's a legitimate reason as to why colleague racing and obviously Hendrick Motorsports can find. We need to know the truth of this thing. I just want to track how long it takes poor Justin to get back to zero. Like where is he at now?

He's in negatives, right? He was negative 40 coming into this week. Yeah, he's still going to be negative. You have no reason if you're colleague racing and you lose this appeal to do anything other than try to win the race. Screw a stage point. Screw anything. I'm telling you wreck your mama to win the race.

Just don't tell anybody. Just don't tell anybody. Don't admit it. But like anywhere we go, if there's a late caution, if I'm the, stay out. If you're at Phoenix, what do you do? Stay out. Anywhere. Last car on a lead lap.

Caution comes out with 12 to go. What do you do? Stay out. And create a complete shit show. All the way on the flat, baby. All the way. Everywhere we go. I don't care if the tires matter or not.

You stay out. You go at the very end of the restart zone and let them all wrecked. Just let them all wrecked behind you. This is the hard race. This is literally. If Justin Haley can't go out and win a race, this is the death penalty to this team. It's not Hendrick Motorsports, where you have a chance to win every week you show up. He's going to be in the same scenario where you're going to circle the plate races and you're going to have to go after it.

And it's the death penalty if you can't. Yeah. Are you talking about debt? Let's talk about death sentence for a second. That pit road deal yesterday, if a caution falls at the wrong time in this pit flag cycle, green flag cycle, that race is a disaster. because you would lose two laps on pit road. By pitting. By pitting under green.

Just by pitting under green, you'd lose two laps. No, like just a normal. And that was, I think, fuel only. I said, I think it was two and a half laps if you were to put tires on. So now, Bell had the whole field two laps down for a while, right? I mean, like, when I looked up, I think Bell was leading and Joey was second or third, two laps down. So, I mean, if a yellow flag comes out there, Bell's on it, and they're going to get one back from a wave and then they'll get cautions, but there wasn't. many cautions because I was trying to get lucky dogs all day and I didn't get any.

But like and then if you speed on pit road, now your four laps down. You know, so it's like, it's like that. I get it. And then there's a lot of things about that pit road. I didn't like. But I don't know how you don't do pit road that way there. Because if you, I mean, look, when are the, we know when we're at Daytona Talladega and guys start pitting under green, it's dangerous. Oh, yeah.

It's dangerous. You've got a 50% chance of getting the yellow. Yeah, 50% chance of rec's going to break out. So if you're at Atlanta and you're running 180 miles an hour and you all start breaking to try to make a normal pit road at Atlanta under green, and that place is to your point so narrow, the top's dirty, you can't get up there. I don't know how you can't not have it the way they had it. Let me tell you something.

It wasn't much safer yesterday because of this. You're leaving pit road and trying to blend at the same exact mark where guys are breaking to come to pit road. Wow. And it's, it's, it's, it caused, it was like a damn figure eight race back there. And luckily we didn't have, we didn't have the big groups pitting like we normally see at plate races. But the more they science us out, you're probably going to see bigger groups coming because they've realized this worked out better for somebody. Um, but that deal yesterday, you leaving pit road.

Luckily, I mean, we were running 80th and five laps down. So we were like, we were kind of on our own deal. But you saw it like yesterday. There was a couple guys blew the entrance and, and it's just, I don't know. I mean, I get it. It's, it's. You got to... Do you need to have two different styles of pit entry?

Do you need a green flag pit entry and a yellow flag pin entry? We have that at Bristol. So I don't know why we don't have that everywhere. You know, I mean, not everywhere, but where we need it. Bristol's different, though. Yeah, I get it. But like, we could just come on in turn four under yellow. Like, why would...

You know, why... We could easily just come off turn four and pit... Like we normally would yesterday under yellow. But that green flag deal, man, if you made a mistake yesterday, or even like... And it wasn't... like Blaney sped, but then I think it was Cody Ware, had a tire get away, you know,

so now a loose wheel, or I mean, a uncontrolled tire is a four-lap penalty essentially. A big topic that was discussed in where we heard over the radio was Richard Childress telling Kyle, like, don't speed on pit road otherwise. You can't.

Yeah, you cannot speed on pit road. I try to stress out to all my guys. It kills you in a regular race. I mean, but it doesn't kill you two laps in a regular race. It still kills your day. It's pretty hard.

Well, Sheldon Creed had to come down pit road. in the Xfinity race, because I got to watch it on TV. So he came down and Perry Road in the Xfinity race, and he lost two and a half laps because he had, like, right front going down. I mean, luckily, he got cautions, but, I mean, if it was at the end of the race, it went green, it's over. He's over, yeah, how many slices in were you at that point? What kind of pizza?

Yeah, I was going to say, what kind of pizza was it? I think it was Papa Johns? That's like in the last last night. I like their garlic butter. Me too. And the pepperchinis. Is that what they're called? The banana peppers.

A little peppuccini's. Let's move on to your reactions either. With the owner of a blue 92 Chevy Camaro, please pick up your car. It is parked illegally on the start-finish line. A blue Chevy Camaro, please retreat when you get a chance. Thank you. What's the license plate never? Might have been yours.

Josh Six Williams. I'm hitting my key fob to see if the lights go off. That's not me. I drive a 93 Dodge Dakota. I don't care what anyone says. Daniel Hemrick is a jack. Yeah, I'm just going to lean on this guy's left rear for the next 10 second second second seconds and keep it in the gas.

Yeah, P2. Suck on that. I about killed that some bitch in the 48, but it was worse it. So, Daniel, he didn't cut old Parker much of a break there. Like, it was a little bit bad that he got into his left rear. and then he said pretty much. I'm having aneurysm from Labrador on this show. Oh, my God.

How many bushlights that guy have before he comes? He don't sound to be a Hemrick fan. Suck on that. Suck on that. Well, it's like, I mean, I don't know how to explain this. Like, it was okay at the first, like, yeah. The first, maybe he was like, you know, trying to. You watched it on TV, so you know, right?

I did. I seen the whole thing. He's watched it like seven times. I was like, oh. And then when he got, when everybody. gathered back up, my hermrick was like, eh.

I was like, oh, I was like, this isn't good, and then here comes the whole field. I mean, like, you know what I just, you know that, that meme of,

Leonardo DiCaprio is sitting on the couch from the Wolf Wall Street. You're whistling. That was Josh in the holler. I was actually looking for a radio in the hall. I had race control. Put it out. I hope somebody can take that meme

and put your face on it and post it. Have you seen all the memes? Austin Hill. and Derek Neeland, whatever that combination. I don't know who's better at what, but they haven't figured out at plate races. I think I saw some stat where Austin's led like almost 40% of the laps he's run. They haven't figured out at every race at this point.

Dude, that 21 was trimmed out. Oh, he was all in his ass. The 48 was sporty. Yeah. Like he passed the whole field on the bottom by himself. And I'm like, Austin just wants, he gets the lead. Where is that? How do I get that?

Austin gets to lead and just, no, it's like, even when he won, when there were four teammates lined up behind him. Well, that wasn't his fault. I'm just saying, though, he just gets to lead and lets everybody else. They take care of himself. Because especially in the Xenini series, those guys aren't following each other with helping you. They're going to race. I mean, honestly, he was another one that I thought made a big mistake in letting Parker get to his right rear into three.

I thought it was over. And I thought Parker had him. I don't know. He might have it told Daniel that's something to say about it. It was going to be close, sir. Yeah. Yeah. It reminded me of the number eight.

Budweiser car, you know, just kind of do what you want. Just do what you want. Who is that? How's that work? Not good enough for a boat. Say that. It's good not for a boat. June,

you got to get a boat. My man is... That ain't going to happen, man. We used to have a joke on the roof, and it was merely a joke. We would call the 8 car, the company car. Oh, yeah. That's the company car.

Well, you know, caution was coming. When 8 was in the lucky dog spot, debris on the back. Oh, we'd say that over the radio. Hey, Dale Jr.'s in a lucky dog spot. And or 88. Save your tires right here. 8 or 88, both.

I mean, well, you're going to say you probably, you probably never spot it. Yeah. Yeah. But no. Did you spot for the eight or just 80s? 10 races. 10 races for the eight. One every one of them.

Steve Mill was spotting before you started? I believe so. Yeah. Yeah. Ross Chastain, you're a sly son of a bha. You're going to pick on the one man that's leaving the series next year. You think he cares about next year? Points, anything?

No, Harvard don't give a crap. He's going to take your ass out. Please. Please, Miss O'Hovic. Take Ross Chastain and put his dumb ass. into the wall? I don't know how I feel about this one. So I didn't see it.

It looked to me. From my view, I thought Ross hit him. I thought he hit him. Harvick did not think he hit him. Harvick is smart though. Harvick is not Danny. Harvick is going to say, yeah, I'm not mad at that guy at all.

And then he will be firewalled beef. Hans checked to the max. But I don't necessarily know if Ross did anything. I don't know. I thought he just kind of ran up. I didn't know if he hit him or just, I mean, he had a big. run got to his bumper and then Harvick obviously got free contact or no contact and then Ross

I think Harvick said something about being on the right side then being up offset to the right and then coming back to the left might have just moved the air enough to get him get him loose yeah because it looked like he was going to push him on the right rear and he didn't get there and then when he squared back up harvick just he didn't really touch him and me and Ross go way back let me tell you yeah I'm being way back a little Florida boys buddy it was ugly back in the day but uh so nothing's changed for Roth no I like the guy. I mean, we're cool.

We were like 12 years old just tearing up our dad's equipment and it was a bad deal. But, you know, I don't think you touched him. And, I mean, I watched it over and over. I mean, Ross is aggressive. But I feel like if I was in Ross's position and I came up, you know, I mean, we both kind of came up the same way, right? But he had the, you know, he got some good opportunities and capitalized on it. I would probably race aggressive too.

I mean, I don't know if Ross did anything different than anyone else would have done right there. At this point. You didn't do anything wrong. At this point, man. I have to say Ross is probably the most aggressive guy in the field. And there used to be times where I would give it to a Kyle Bush, a Ron Hornaday in the truck series, depending on what I'm watching. I would say Ross is the most aggressive guy in the series, and it's why he's got to where he's

got. If he wasn't that aggressive guy, he probably wouldn't be as successful as he is and have the job that he has, and hopefully he's getting ready to get paid. I think he's, or maybe he already got his extension from track house, you can't let the guy leave. No. I mean, he's, he's one of the hottest brands in the garage, and he's hanging his hat on. I don't give a fuck how I race you.

I'm going to race you as hard as I can. And I literally think this guy looks at it as he brings his friends to the racetrack. And there was another guy that did that named Carl Edwards. And he was pretty damn successful. And I think Ross is the new Carl. He don't care. Did you see him leaving Pitt Road? Was that on TV?

There's one time he left Pitt Road and they got, you know, they got like stacked up too wide in front of him. He's out in the grass. Oh, yeah. I was right there next to him. I'm like, I don't care. I mean, the splitters three feet off the ground in a cup car. You're good. It was not smooth right there, that part of the track.

It was very bumpy. Yeah. Just lost the race. You're probably pretty upset and whatnot, but how do you go to the Porta John directly after the race? And he don't lock the door to have Daddy open up the door on you. Did you at least have TJ in your going, guy outside, outside, outside? There's a guy outside. That's pretty funny.

Did you see this? Uh-uh. So Brad hightails it to the porta potty with his helmet on still. He must have had to go. I don't know. I don't know what number we were dealing with here. But he goes in the porta-potty and never locks it. So then the credit to the cameraman, whoever the cameraman.

They followed him. Because the cameraman just follows Brad as he jumps over the wall, runs to the port-a-on, and keeps it tuned in. And then here comes Danny. A couple minutes later. Denny had to go to? He opens the door and there's Brad. They both had to go. Usually back in the day if the guy like after the race ran to the port of John, he was throwing the traction control in the water.

In the water, yeah. I see Danny tweeted it smelled like Kings of Hawaiian rolls when I got in. I was hearing some songs. We haven't heard from Jeb in a while. Yeah. They stole our other guy. He just works for, yeah. He works for Dirty Moe now.

You can't, I mean. We have some great reaction theaters, but we need some songs back. So wherever you are. Somebody send us something. Clever. That guy's pretty good, though. Oh, yeah. Tyler, he's super talented.

Tyler, everybody. Yeah. Jeb's good. Jeb's good because his, you don't know what you're going to get with Jeb at all. And he never, he always like, like hints at and then like the last verse is whatever he's want. Duck tape and hope is by far his best line. That was me. That was me.

That was me. Yeah. My favorite part of Ross Chastain this past weekend is they asked him, what he go on did his podcast. And he said, no, I'm not interested. I would. I know. Why would?

If I was wrong, I would. Why not? He wants ratings. There you go. All right, well, send us your songs, comments. Much better this week. We have been slacking on React's Deer lately. That was much better this week.

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We have some good ones, I would say, for this week as well. This was first ones from Bobby. What's your favorite home-cooked and track-side food? Josh. I knew that was directed at me. Pizza. No. Track-side is definitely pizza.

Yeah. So my wife cooks everything and it's delicious. I'm sure I know T.J. follows, let's be honest. But he didn't even know she cooked. Yeah, he did. Yeah, he didn't watch that part. But I don't know. I don't really have a favorite, I guess.

I mean, I'm like a barbecue guy, but anything she cooks is delicious. So I don't discriminate. I eat it. I mean, look at me. Yeah. I hear you. Yeah. I've actually lost like 28 pounds.

You look good. I have not. I have not. I found whatever you lost. Andrew, I think you have that next question. Well, I mean, Josh. And, damn. Freddie wants to let me.

Let me and bread. Let me and bread. Nobody knows. Me and bread are pretty fantastic. Well, we know. We saw you in the, I saw you in the garage going straight to lunch, so. I stopped and said hi. We need to do a segment.

I mean, we need to do a treasury segment. Oh, yeah. Yeah. You can do a cooking deal. It's fun. I don't know. Track side, I don't know. I'll tell you what my favorite used to be at the racetrack was them, tenderloin sandwiches.

Remember those? That one trailer, I forget what it was like Chuckies or something like that. Now. They were good. The rest of the food's just, I don't know, it's like $75 for a cheeseburger. Yeah. My favorite thing to see at the racetrack is a food truck. Yeah.

I'm a food truck guy. I love food trucks. Food trucks. But my favorite spot to eat at on the whole tour is in New Hampshire. It's like the Lions Club or something. They got a little booth and they do a breakfast right there underneath the grandstands and turn one. I'll go down there and get a homemade biscuit.

How come you've never told me about it? Because I don't worry about nobody. There will be a line. Loudon does have good food. Lops and rolls. When you come in the main gate, take a right, go down there and it's on the right, and it's like homemade, like grandma made food. Yeah, like they got the crop pots.

He's putting in his notes. He's making. for New Hampshire. Biscuits. I'm writing biscuits. I'm writing biscuits all around the time markers where the curses are. The food trucks in Indianapolis last year, they were awesome. They had food trucks.

Oh, yeah, you're right. You're right. They were right outside. Dude. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm a fan. But I will say this.

And I've been very fortunate to go to a lot of sports and entertainment events. I went to the big tractor pool. I don't remember. We were at Michigan for the race. and it's like the biggest tractor pool of the year, man, you talking about food truck heaven? Is it in Michigan or Kentucky? It was not in Michigan. May have been in Ohio.

Because I know there's a huge running Kentucky. Me and Clinton and our guys back in the five-hour energy days, we all jumped in a van and we went to this tractor pool. And man, it had the best food I've ever had in my life at an event. I loved it. I swear to redneck set. Heck yeah. That's right. That's why I was there.

Could you imagine go to a tractor pole with Clint Boyer? No. anywhere with Cleveland Boy. No matter where. Yeah. It don't matter where. All right. This next two questions

were probably the most asked when we shared that you were coming on the show, Josh. People want to know how long have you been working on the bullet? I guess it's been like two years? Two and a half years? I think. Yeah. And how long is it going to stay for?

I don't know. I guess until it falls off. Lifeer. Yeah, I'm a lifer. I don't know. Everybody loves it. I cut lines in my little boy's hair. the other week.

I'm going to find it. You think I can cut lines in years? You might need some tips on mullet growing or mullet cutting. Can I do that to yours? That's what we need right there. Yeah, we need lines in your mullet. Yeah, speed lines. Speed lines.

Yeah, look how clean they look. Look at you. Side force. So he was all about it until he sat up on a bathroom counter and he's like, Dad, have you ever done this before? No. The fears. He's freaking out.

But his baseball season starts this week. He's pumped up. He's got his mullet. He's rocking his mullet, too. He got the big glasses and everything. Yeah, oh, yeah. He's tuned in. Chew him on bobopold.

Let's keep him off the golf carts this summer. Well, I will. Trust me. He broke his hand last year on a golf cart. He jumped off of a moving golf cart. Pulled to Chase Elliott got hurt a week before the tournament. Week before the biggest tournament a year. I get a picture.

I'm in Sonoma, and I got a picture, and his wrist has got like three shapes in it. And I'm like, well, I think that's broke. It was. Yeah. Pretty sure. You mullet boys ain't real smart. No. You'll be done.

You got to be tough. Well, that's a perfect segue into the next topic. What an idiot. What an idiot. Freddie. So, my, what an idiot. I'm going to take it back for y'all a little ways. He used to work here.

He doesn't work here anymore. And he flew to Las Vegas as part of his work job. It was his last weekend of his job to ever work for Dirtymo Media. And when you get to the airport, you know how there's that long-term parking? and it's like $4 a day. Okay, this guy didn't go there. He went to the hourly parking. Hourly.

Hourly. Hourly parking. Which is the most expensive parking in the state of North Carolina. Oh, it's high. At the Charlotte Douglas International Airport. Jason Schultz. Who? Proceeded to blow by long-term, short-term, daily parking to go park his dumb ass

at the very front door of the... the Charlotte Douglas International Airport. And he proceeded to turn in on his expense report a bill to Mike Davis for $795 for front row parking. So he wins. My, what an idiot. Oh my gosh. It was that much? Of course it was.

He turned it in. It's $20 an hour. It's $24 a day. It was $700 a day. It was $24 a day. Okay. It's $24. Allegedly.

Allegedly. I mean, never let the truth. standing in the way of a good story. Come on, Andrew. Oh, my gosh. Who you got, TJ? Anybody good? Yeah, it was more than that, actually.

No, that's my boy. I've seen a lot of things this week. You know, and I kind of got to... Actually, go ahead, Fred. I want to see what you do first. I don't really know. I was going to give it to Brad for not locking a porter potty, actually. I ran into a dumbass on Twitter this week that didn't work out.

That's what I was going to go with. You can go there if you want. I'm not going to go there because I don't, he's an idiot. But yeah, I don't know. I was going to say, can you be great and an idiot at the same time? Because I wasn't sure if I was going to have to call my boss an idiot this week for telling on himself. But I think I'm just going to stick with Brad. I mean, lock the damn portage on, Brad.

I mean, his shield was down. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, if you have to go that bad, I'm thinking the last thing you're probably worried about. Did he look at his helmet on the whole time? Oh, yeah. His helmet was on when he went in. Do you think he was still? He just, I wouldn't know if he's sitting there or standing there.

Like, do you think they were, when he opened a door, were they eye to eye or was Danny looking at his ass? That's all I'm trying to figure out the whole time. It's a hundred percent eye. What if he was doing number three. That's where he's sitting down. Piss eight shit at the same time. You had them together.

Well, let's show me. Took a turn. All right. I mean, you. Get you imagine up into the port of potty. There's a dude sitting there with a helmet on taking a f***. There's a fan. A fan just wants to stick a hero card in there.

Yeah. Hey, man. I'm going to tell you how dumb fans are. They'd be like, will you sign this for me? Yeah. In the middle of taking your... Yeah. Do you think you can sign this real quick?

Two? Yeah, sure, man. To my cousin. I mean, I've seen people, like, sit outside the porta potty when they see a driver go through, waiting... Guess what they're in a porta potty? A sink to wash your hands. Let's shake hands, buddy. How you doing?

I tell fans all the time. They're like, man, we really want to meet these drivers, blah. I said, listen. I said, go find the nearest port of the party after driving. Just camp out. Hang out. They're like, really? I'm like, I'm telling you.

I'll see them like somewhere else. They're like, oh, man, I appreciate you. That's like the hack for us fans. Never fails. What's that stain on your hero card? Bring it out of paper. TJ. I'm going to go with the guy on Twitter.

I don't really want to. What happened? I don't really want to elaborate. I mean, it was more Freddie situation than mine, but it was pretty embarrassing. Oh, I did see that. He's no longer on Twitter, I don't think. Who's your one idiot, Josh? you can't pick yourself.

Bummer. Come on. I had a whole segment on this. I don't know. It might be me for participating in this show. That's what I was thinking. When you walk through the door, I was like, what the fuck is he thinking?

I pulled in the parking lot. I think his rep said the same thing. I pulled in the parking lot and Kevin Reed's outside. I've seen him over there. He looks at me and he goes, really? see, he goes, I don't know, man. He's got a little hair like you, or he used to. Do you still have it?

No, I don't know what he's going on now. I don't know what he's doing. He's over here all the time. Yeah, I see him over there. I told him he finally got a real job. He's working. I'll get him that. He's working over there.

You might want to see if you need some help next week. He said, hey, come see me after you leave. I'm like, oh, boy. I had a Lee Falk. He called me. He said, hey, he said Wednesday morning. He said, I'll prop broom up beside a door. you can come sweep the shop.

I'm like, come on, Lee. So I don't, I don't really have a, I'm going to lay off. You want to, like, Sage, what's called Sage in India for racing? Yeah, he's, can I say he's a jack. He says, he's a jack. He says, what a jack. Yeah. I run him over at the Roval, or not of the Roval at Indy Roadcourse a couple years ago.

He comes, he run over everybody. Yeah, I was going to say, well, the score is heavily lopsided still, so. I mean, he's, he's fast. He's actually gotten, he's got speed. He's got some good speed With the road courses And just needs some etiquette with it Yeah

First one of the tow truck Good race That was actually probably you this last week No No He wasn't after the tow truck He didn't make it to the tow truck He's already gone

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Casey, you got more wins this year than you had all your last year. I know. I'm sorry, Ryan. I screwed for East pretty bad. TJ, you and I have been going back and forth pretty quickly here. We're just getting me and Brett are keeping it close for the fans. I won with Corey LaJoy. Shout out to Corey for a solid finish this weekend.

Corey did a really good job. She doesn't look good. Yeah. We are going to Coda. My name and Freddy. score is the same as the shape of our bodies. It's a round zero. We're a bigger round.

TJ, who's your pick going in the code of this weekend? Man. TJ gets to pick first? Yeah. FYI. You have some road course ringers in this race. So, yeah, who's on the list? So it's Button, Connor Daly,

Buttons. Reikinen, and Jimmy Johnson. Yeah, you guys. We should just pick from them four, the three of us. Buttons in this race? Buttons. Buttons. Nice.

Can I pronounce you know? No, you're good. I am going to go. What car's button driving? Button's driving a Stuart Hosh slash Rick Ware vehicle. Wow. So he's going to be in a good car. That's going to be a hot ride.

They all will be in big cars. Yeah. Hunter Daly will be in a great one. What numbers do you in? What numbers are button? 51 or 15? 15. I would assume 15.

15. I am, I'm going to help the fans out here, and I'm going to take Kyle Busch. Kyle Bush. Kyle Bush. Interesting. I figure he's getting in the

car that was super fast last year and Kyle Busch is already uh you know Tyler has turned into a great race car driver but put Kyle Busch in that car too it should run really well I will take Bubba the Dinger well I was going to take I'm a Dinger. I knew you were which tells me to take Chastain but I think I'm a Dinger O's in one you think I'm a Dinger O's in one yeah oh yeah for sure so I don't think chastain finishes this race but everybody might as well get and pick him then and stay in line with the rest of your picks. Can I pick Ligano again? Man, I don't know who I want.

Who finished second last year? Bowman. Bowman. And he's got a better crew chief now that he had. Well, I don't know if he finished second. He was in that battle. How about Chase Elliott? Should I take him?

I would take him. I think he's got a chance. Ross Chastain. I don't think he's going to finish, but I'm going to pick him. Wasn't Bowman leading? Well, they were all swapping. AJ was diabolmy. He started.

AJ had the league going into that last left hander. Here comes Ross. Yeah. Josh, before I do my picks, who would you pick? I would pick Ross. I already got him. I know, but I would have. I am going to go Jordan Taylor.

Oh, Jordan Taylor. You didn't say Jordan. What way to go? That's true. Yeah. Oh, you are smart. Which is why I didn't correct. What's he driving?

He's driving the nine. Who's car? Chase's car? Yeah. He's been running the. garage 56 car right yeah Jordan Taylor he might lap the field that's pretty cool hey man how cool is it that and and I mean I know

sometimes I'm against guys getting their first start in the cup series but it's pretty cool that these guys are getting opportunities yeah how do you all think Jimmy will do who's driving so Rackinen is in track house's car Rackening Rackinen Rackin Rackin Kimi Rackin yeah Kami he's in track house He's in the 91 he's in the 91 he's in a

That's the trackhouse car, right? Yeah. Yeah, that thing will be fast. That might have been the guy that, well, I don't know. He might be a bird with no feathers. Kimmy did really good at Wachens Glen. A dart with no feathers. I think it's still flies.

A featherless bird. I don't think a bird can fly. I don't have feathers. Do you guys? I mean, I don't. I don't think so. I don't think it can't. It'll fly straight down.

Yeah, I don't think of. I don't know. I don't know. You can take off. It's landing. It's not going to go. This might be the funniest show we've ever done. I don't think I've ever laughed as much.

Stomach hurts. Oh, boy. Coda. Hold on, before Coda, one thing, I don't even know if it was on any of these sheets. Did anybody see Eric Jones on the last last last? I was about to do that. What in the world?

What happened? He passed the whole field. Did you see that video? He just didn't live. He looked like Cole Trickle driving through the thin smoke. He took the middle, and he came out of nowhere. He checked. I was, we were unfortunately in turn one when they were in three and four taking the checker.

So you got to watch. And so I got to watch. and like you know I'm not I don't have a monoculars up so I'm just like broad view the whole thing and all of a sudden I just see this bullet go through the middle of the pack and I was like whole way around where the hell is he going and like he probably passed I don't know 10 12 cars on the last lap I was gonna say about eight probably yeah like nine he went from 17th to 8th yeah yeah and just shot the gap and like there's an in car video of it he shoots the middle and just drives through the whole field and like never live don't don't don't block don't block the middle don't watch out there's a bullet there's a bullet there's a bullet there's a bullet there's a bullet there's a bullet out there's a bullet there's a bullet there's a bullet coming on your outside. I mean, it was, it was like literally like, it looked like an in-car, Days of Thunder thing where he's just driving through the middle. He legit is. I'm sitting here watching on video, and he legit drives through the middle.

Yeah. It almost looked like he put on stickers at Darlington on a green-white checker, and the whole field was on hard lap tires. Days of Thunder is the best description of this you'll ever get. Oh, it's perfect. Windshield is dirty. There's video of it on Twitter. You can look it up.

See the thin smoke? You see it? Yeah, that's awesome. It's the best way to go. Coda. you coming to Cota? Are you asking Josh? I hope.

Josh, we'll find out tomorrow if Josh is coming to, which here's something that, like, something that bothers me. And I noticed this last night on the plane, NASCAR at Coda is running like a Josh Williams special or something. I saw like the official account was selling, was it $92. $92 for two tickets. So now like how do they, like they can't suspend you if their racetrack is running, you know, like stuff like that bothers me. They can. I mean, they can. see they can.

But I mean, like, how, whatever. I was talking to Adam Alexander and I was like, hey, you know, if I get suspended,

what do you think about me calling race? He's like, you know, that's not a bad idea. That's a good idea. I don't know. Hopefully I get to race.

And Josh Williams has just parked at the start, finish line. Yeah. Adam Alexander. Yeah. Joey said,

oh, no. Yeah. I think my favorite is the fact that he brought up the hospital tours and all the stuff that you've done. Like five minutes for that. Yeah.

Yeah, literally. It was perfect timing. Oh, yeah. It was perfect timing. Our, the Xfinity racing account tweeted the video from being a ComcastMe champion with all your efforts, which honestly, kind of is a great segue to it. So, when you're sitting in there. Nobody knows this about Josh, but here's how great of a guy he is.

And then Josh goes and ruins his own reputation. Right there. 30 seconds later. When you're sitting in the holler, were you sitting there alone? All by myself. Oh, you don't have anybody in there? Baby in a corner. Cheese pizza.

I was going to say how awkward it would be if you were actually sitting. And then they kept replay in your event. Come on. Oh, dude, it was like over and over. And then it was, they used like the Fox Shoot Shot. And they had the, it was great. Freddie texts me like two hours after the race. And he's like, you ain't even believe this, but Josh is still in a holler.

Oh, I took a picture. I took a picture of all the media members outside the hauler. That has not happened. It was four hours later. I was packing up Victory Lane and they were still there. So you weren't getting talked to the whole time. You're just waiting. Yeah. Well, we had to wait for them to come down from the race control.

You wait four hours for them to walk in and literally say, dumb . Yeah. Write that down, Andrew. Like, so this one guy, he kept standing outside, like, the side glass door. Well, it's tinted, but you can still see in it. And he was, like, standing there, and he'd, like, walk away and he'd come back, and he'd walk away, and he'd come back. And I was talking to some of the other officials that were in there. And finally, he pulls out his phone, and he's like,

and he's just sitting there. And I'm like, Jordan, that was Jordan. Was it? Was it? Was it? Was it? Was it? I saw Jordan had a picture.

And he posted it and I was like, come on guy. Reed comes up and he opens the door. He's like, can I come in here? And they're like, yeah, I guess. So we talked for a little bit. Does he want to? Why would you ask to go in that? I've never asked to go in that whole over.

We were just talking about. I had to go in there to get something for Victory Lynn. I was like, I'm not even going anywhere in your not place. I didn't call Reed in there. I really can't believe the spot it again. I only go on there to see Kip. I think he's the only one that actually likes me or pretends he likes me. Yeah.

Pretends. Cicota is a hard race track. Yeah. I haven't made a race there yet. I didn't qualify last year. Well, I got bad news for you. Yep. So I have to run rookie stripes. I have to run rookie stripes.

Yeah. So the first time it rained and we had on used rain tires, didn't make the race. And then the second time we went with BJ and we just didn't have our stuff figured out. And we miss that race. Hopefully we can attempt to make this. race. I hope so. And if not, I'll have rookie stripes next year. I don't know where BJ stole the motor that was in the 78

this week, but I hope he does it again because that thing, fall to ass. Dude, it turned so good. Like, he was eating them up through the center of corner. Yeah, that's an interesting scenario. What else can fans expect as they watch this weekend? There's actually, I hate to tell

everybody this, but the best Mexican food in America is behind Kota. You told me this. I haven't been there yet. Well, I'm going to tell you what you will do. You'll eat there every day if you go. I like this show. We talk about food more than we do race cars.

Not football. We haven't got football yet. No football. Man, it's so good. I'm going to drop a pen or take a picture of the sign. Yeah, I'm coming. I come Friday morning. Put that in your notes for the food.

I come Friday morning. I got a big event Sunday, which I need to tell you all something after the show, but that ain't a big deal. But yeah, I'm coming to Cota. Sounds like we got signed up for the shit on Sunday. I'm only going for the Mexican. food. He's only going, what corner are you going to be in?

No. He ain't spot. I hope not. Really? Yeah. Going for the PGA? The Mexican food and the PGA tournament? Yeah.

Are they there? Yeah. Really? PGA's in town. Again, just like last year. Nice. I can't golf. What a show that is.

You might get, you might have a ride boat on this Netflix deal. Like that obviously Drive to Survive did wonders for F1. This new one they came out with PGA. I can't remember name. What's the name of it, Andrew? Remember? Full swing. Full swing is unbelievable for the same premise as on Netflix.

It's Netflix. Same premises drive to survive. You'd love it. Like they follow these golfers around, you know. So they don't put it on USA Network at 10 o'clock on a Sunday night. Maybe it might be on Peacock. Huh. It's the little things, you know.

Oh, boy. Two things I got real quick. Shout out to this poor bastard Matt. I ran into him at Hooters on Friday night. He's getting married. It was his bachelor party. Big D.B.C. How many shots did you do?

He did not. He did a couple shots, I would say. Did he blow motor? I don't know. He went on jack stands early. Cannot confirm nor deny if he blew a motor. I'm going to go over there and take all them fireball shots from him. TJ was eyeing him up when we got here.

Them guys had, they were going to the track the rest of the weekend. I didn't get a chance to see him again. What a great idea. Do a bachelor party at a racetrack. Taladaiga. Whoever, I met quite a few at Taledga. Who cares? Yeah.

There's a ton at Talladega. Michigan? Michigan's a big fun one. Yeah. Michigan Enfield is the most underrated experience on tour. It's the best one. It's better than Talmudicago. People don't realize how Michigan's pretty sweet.

It's right up there. It's right there. It's better than Talladega, I think. It's clean. I agree. Yeah, that's a fact. I got to apologize to the fan that thought Reed Sorensen was me because Reed came up to me.

He's like, hey man, I think it just made one of your fans mad. He was like, they were hauling your name, and they thought they, and I just ignored them and they're probably mad at you right now. I know people are drunk on Sunday mornings at 10 o'clock, but they literally call me Freddy. They happen every week, and they're like, Freddy! I think that's on purpose.

I get Brett all the time. Freddie doesn't have a red beard? Somebody, I seen a tweet last week that was a picture of you talking about something on the show, and they said, you know, it was probably from Dirty Mo. And it was like, Brett had this opinion. And somebody said, that's not bread, that's ready. And I'm like, no, it's not.

You got to name tags. So this one dude, I was riding a guy. golf cart with Kelsey with Nutrax Solutions or we're driving through the crowd and Fontana guy goes, hey, Freddy. And I said, I'm not Freddie. He goes, well, fuck. He didn't realize it was me. He was like completely bummed.

He's like, well, that ain't a DBC guy. It is, you idiot. That's your one idiot. Shout out also to my friends, Eric and Haley Brennan had a baby on St. Patrick's Day, which is Christmas. So me and that kid will be celebrating its birthday in the next 10 years, probably he'll be doing shots or she'll be doing shots early. Robbie.

Mostly for a year, congrats to them. Hey, who won the Rattler? Bubba Pah. Oh, that's right. I saw that. I saw Ty, what, made it like an hour

before qualifying from the truck race? He made it in an hour from the truck race. Well, he probably won't he probably was not anticipating the truck race taking four hours, so he probably thought he was going to have a little more time.

But, yeah, I mean, we ran right into that five o'clock Xfinity window. Yeah. Where did Majeski finish? I don't know. He took the challenge. I think he took second.

I think he got second. Yeah, he took the challenge. I saw him. I saw he. And this, he's smart because there was no challenge. He talked him right in to get like, he's like, hey, I'm on a poll. Anybody want to give me some money to start last? And they offered him 10 grand.

He took it. And I think he finished second. So he didn't get it. Close. I mean, why not? Yeah. Well, Josh, prayers for you. This week.

Don't forget. If you're listening, if you want to help out some kids, be sure to buy a shirt. I can't wait to see what that look like. They're pretty cool. Is it the heart? It's a lot of it. there's a lot going on. It's simple, but it...

Well, we appreciate you stopping by. This is probably not an easy decision to make, come join fellow fellow hauler visitors and get yourself potentially in more trouble. But I think he did pretty good. Yeah, we didn't get nothing to eat. I was so hung over that day I needed something. You also had Dale. You were hung over that way.

It was his birthday. Oh, no. Yeah. Yeah, we get called to the hall or the day after my birthday. Saturday morning after his birthday. That's bad. I just sat in the corner, like, didn't say a way. word the whole time.

And when I was leaving, the gentleman that held the meeting said, happy birthday, ready. How about the guy that goes in there, hey, if I start talking, kick me. Just kick me. I was kicking the whole time. That's still Dale Jr's fault. That is still. I mean, I remember Dale going. And I said, why did he do that?

Well, here we are. But, no, we appreciate it. Thanks for coming. Thank you. Feel free to shout out. And speaking of Bachelor parties, me and Josh have something else in common. What is it? Nobody will ever figure out how much.

me and Josh got our wives. I know she's big on Instagram or TikTok, I think it is, right? Cooking. But you'll see why if you follow her cooking that me and him have a lot in common. We did great. We both have outkickbacked.

I don't visit. I don't go to strip clubs frequently. Well, she's not a stripper. She's not a stripper. For Freddy's Bachelor party, I ended up in a strip club. It's Charlotte. Every time actually had I been to a strip club

other than one recently, Freddy's had been with me. Let's talk about the one you went to recently at 2 o'clock in the afternoon. It was 4 o'clock. Happy hour. So I... Half price.

I heard Spirrit Rino had a deal on the happy hour drink, so I stopped by and check them out. How we're tying my bachelor party into... We're talking about wives and I thought strip clubs came to my... What are we doing? All right, this show needs to end right now. Go follow Josh's wife on whatever

TikTok at Trayor-Rae. Go get yourself a shirt to support the... What is the tag? Treasurer Ray. Treasier Ray. T-R-A-Z-I-A. TikTok. Yeah.

I don't have TikTok. I don't either. Anyways, thank you all so much for listening. Don't forget to you. Check out the Dirty Mo Media YouTube page. Could you imagine having access to my camera phone at all times? Oh, my gosh. Poor Casey's been trying to shut the same.

Apparently. Apparently you need to prop your phone up at 4 o'clock in the afternoon morning. Steak and eggs, half-price. I will say this. That day at 4 o'clock, I dropped my location. to a driver friend of ours, and he immediately FaceTime me. And I answered the FaceTime, and he's sitting there with him and his manager

and another driver friend, and they're like, surely to God, you're not in the strip club of 4 o'clock. Next thing out is a bouncer going, you can't be FaceTiming people in here. My bad. So anyway, we'll shut it down on that one, Casey. I don't even know how to follow it up. Josh, thanks for coming, brother.

Thank you. Yeah, I appreciate you coming on. We out. Have a great week. Word. Dirty Mode