Door Bumper Clear - 284 - COTA: Still Restarting, Probably

Episode Date: March 27, 2023

Door Bumper Clear is back from an eventful weekend at COTA. Brett Griffin, T.J. Majors and Freddie Kraft break down the numerous attempts at overtime needed in the race and discuss Daniel Suarez’s aggressive actions on the cool-down lap.In Spot On, Spot Off, the guys talk about how the caution-free stage breaks threw a wrench in the strategy, how NASCAR enforced track limit rules over the weekend, why Bubba Wallace is too hard on himself and whether or not Ryan Preece should back-up his strongly worded post race comments.In #AskDBC Freddie tells us about his too close for comfort encounter with a rattlesnake and the guys give their thoughts on Kurt Busch’s new role at 23XI Racing.  Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

This is the production of Dirty Mo Media. Here's getting ready to happen here. Breton's not spot no more, so he wants practice all the time. I think y'all should practice eight hours a weekend. Yeah, I bet. Only on road course weekends when you're there. I'm not spotting road courses. Am I?

I thought, yeah. I'm spotting Richmond. Yeah, we got three hours at Richmond. They said, some fucking about we need more practice. I said, definitely, Frizz. Hey, everybody. I'm T.J. Major's. Spiter of the six-cup car.

The eight-excity car. The O2 truck. Joining me today. We're working on T.J.'s 900 number voice this morning. What's up? Freddy Kratz? I'm doing Casey's reads from now on. Contact Casey.

By all means, go to the three. I am still... Do you want my Venmo? Because, I mean, I could accept some money right now. This show, I wish... I don't know how much... the beginning. Andrew can actually play. But this show has been

a hell of a morning to start with. It ended up. It didn't even start on the rails. It just started off. It's still there. What's up? Freddie Crafts spotter for Bubba Wallace and Chandler Smith this weekend. I also had Ed Jones for three corners of the truck race. And that was about it. I did not have a great weekend in Old Dakota.

Yeah. What's up? By the way, Brett doesn't have anything to say for a little while. We moved to the showtime for Brett. And then he's still not here. I would assume his flight probably got delayed, I would assume, because he just landed. But he'll be here in a little while. What's up, Casey?

Hey, hey. So back from Austin where Tyler Redick scored his first win for 2311 racing. I would ask how Austin was, but I don't know if you guys are the ones I should be asking, considering how you finished. Well, technically, I had about an average of a 19th place finish yesterday because I actually spotted for Tyler, too. I think it was a little bit better than. No, you can't jump in.

If you don't take the green. No, no, I'm saying, yeah. I didn't take any credit. He's not taking credit for it. I said my day average out to about a 19th. I mean, it was better than Atlanta, right? Yeah. Oh, yeah.

That's a fun. I don't know. You're, you've fed a rough couple weeks. The last two have not been well. That's not good. TJ, I mean, you had your hands full. TJ. My cars and trucks got spun out some of a M&A.

times. What happened? You got a narrow, it's at least six or seven. I didn't spend you out, right? I mean, nothing. No, yeah, actually you did. And this is the,

Freddie goes to another corner than where I'm at. So you weren't over there. I mean, you probably had a good view of it. No, I was with you on Saturday. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah, well. Yeah, it was, uh,

which race do you want to start with? I mean, we could, uh, the truck race. The truck race was pretty good, I thought. You know, it seemed like Ross and, and Kyle had it in control. and then here comes Zane with some pitch strategy, gets the lead and checks out and wins. And he was running his times.

You know, the race were fast. Yeah, he was faster than Kyle. You know, I thought when Kyle got the second, he's going to run him down. And I looked at the lot of times and I was like, oh, they're breaking even. Yeah, that 38 truck has been fast at road courses, especially there. Yeah, even what Todd was driving?

Yeah, Todd won there and he was super fast. So what happened to you in the truck race? Did you get run over about 100 times? Well, we only got like a lap of practice in because we had a mechanical issue. We couldn't qualify. So we started in the very back. and actually i mean chris passed a bunch of cars the first lap and we probably got 10 or 12 cars and um the race is kind of playing out we're settling in and um we get spun out by uh taylor gray in the

s is where we go into turn two i remember you yelling at nick about this yeah well we go into turn two and everybody single file then the next thing you know he's spun out like we're you don't like you just can't pass there if you're not if you don't position before you get to the s is you kind of just wait. You just stay single file until you get through there. But I mean, it was out of my vision. Like I couldn't even see. You know where turn two is where they go out. It just dove in there somewhere. Like, where are you going at that point? And I don't know. It's just inexperience on probably Taylor's part for forcing an issue because he could have taken himself out just as easily mess his truck up right there. But that was the first one. Then the second one, we're just kind

of riding in the teens low, like I think we were in the teens somewhere. and Stuart Freezing just gets to 13 and drives it in there until he punts us out of the way like normal. That's good. Oh, he is. Oh, he made it. It's pretty early. Brett has arrived.

Brett is in the house. I think it needs to be a little bit lower. But yeah. What happened? I didn't see a replay of this or a good replay of this. Did Haley intentionally wrecked the 04? I don't know. I don't know if she just,

it looked like she kind of missed the corner a little bit, but I don't know if she was going like mad. him or something it looks like depending on what side you want to see if i think you could go you could you could you could pick what side you want and make it look that way i mean that's what did you see i i just saw one quick replay like on the big screen as i was walking to the car and i was like that looked intentional and i never got to see another replay of it it kind of did but then it kind of didn't i don't know but i mean i didn't hear i didn't hear anything like where she was mad at him you know what i mean like normally you know when when people are going after somebody

there yeah but and i don't know if you you don't miss the corner by that much to intentionally wreck somebody it's pretty i mean you follow through the asses just pun them you know what i mean like this was like pretty far out it was a weird deal um yeah my truck race ended in third turn like i don't know is i think they broke a track bar or a truck arm and creeped around and that was the end of my day so uh they'll get that fixed up for next week my exfinity race was kind of wild uh just kind of mid pack all day and ran through the back of tj apparently one time i didn't even know what happened oh yeah um until the next restart channelers Like, oh, yeah, and man, I didn't really mean that on the eight.

I just locked it up. What y'all . Hey, where you been? At the airport. Don't ever judge Charlotte by its airport, because it is the worst airport in the country. We land, you can't find a parking place at the gate. You get your bags. It takes an hour.

Anyway, here I am. Well, two minutes in, or these are something out. Fresh in from literally Austin, Texas. It got up at 3.30 this morning so I could be here with y'all. Well, we were just talking about how they can't really talk about their finishes or how well Austin went. My finish is. TJ should be dizzy as much you spun out yesterday. I could have washed my clothes.

I mean, you had to have spun out seven times. I think it was six, but it might have been seven. I don't know. They got your car number 813. I mean, it might have been. But yeah, Freddie just, I'm watching the cars go through, let's see, 13, 14. They're heading into 15 and I'm looking through binoculars over there. So y'all weren't in a turn one stand,

y'all were another stand where you see more. I was in turn one. Oh, you were. We're July, Saturday. Yeah, I'm talking about Saturday. I'm looking across because you can see bits and pieces. Yeah, you can. Yeah. And I see this gap.

They're going into 15. And I see the gap and you're side by side with somebody going into 15. And next thing I know is hold the break, get it straight. And I'm like, what just happened? Here comes the 16 again. I mean, at some point, he's going to have to realize you can't keep wrecking the same guy. Like, well, you can. There's one way to fix that.

wrecking back. I mean, good Lord, man. Like, why are you driving so hard at these points in the race? Phoenix was so early. This was, like, fairly early in the race. It wasn't like mid-park. It was because of how you groomed them guys in a truck series. That's why.

Like, good, I mean, I put my binoculars down because the gap was so big. And then I'm like, get a stray, hold the break, get a straight. I'm like, what just happened? So I thought we spun out by ourselves. And now, here come 16. Yeah, with the plow on the front of it. I'll tell you what I will never. I will probably never not do a race from where I was yesterday.

It's not even close. You can see way more. Here's a problem. I was in a turn 12 grandstand yesterday. Here's a problem. The hardest place to spot is turn one. And so if you guys being the full-time guy aren't in turn one, you're sticking a guy up there that may freeze up, may not know what to say. Like it's hard to have a guy because turn one, they're coming at you.

You're really not high enough. You really need to be higher enough. that spotter stand, I think, in turn one. Yeah. And so if the main guy, obviously one of us, are one of us kind of a main guy people, if you're not there, who do you stick there? Yeah, you know, honestly, I could have called turn one from turn 12 yesterday.

Yeah. You know, you don't, you see them probably around that scoring pylon that's at the end of the pit road. Yeah. That's what you see. Yeah. That's terrible. Yeah. Like you can't, I'm useless in that situation because you can't see coming up the hill and you

can't see going down the hill. over there. And then they disappear and you only see them for one, two corners. So where I was yesterday, and it was one of the teams

I was with, I won't throw anybody under the bus, but one of the guys I was with over there in 12, they were actually spotting on Channel 2, like if there was a hole.

Like, you know, so they would tell the guy in turn 1 if there was a hole, you know, because you could see him going up the hill. When it flattened out at the top of the hill,

you really couldn't see anything. But then when they came back down the hill, you could get a better look at them. I was doing that for 12, of a crossways because I had a, when you're over there, though, you can see the gaps in the 12. And that's probably the weak spot for that. Well, no, well, I was in turn 12 grandstand. A lot of guys were in turn 15 grandstand. So like turn 12 was easy for me.

Outside the track. I was outside the track in 12. So I was like halfway down a straightway. No, I wasn't in the stadium. So you had a really good angle into 12. You had a bad angle into 15, though. So there's always going to be tradeoffs. But there was one time where these guys talked about it. They said, all right, I'm going to tell you on Channel 2, you know, what it looks. looks like from my vantage point, you just keep, you know, kind of listen and keep spotting,

which is not easy to do. But well, I mean, it is for us, but it's not for a guy. I don't do it all the time. Yeah. Yeah. So the guy said next to me, he said, well, that didn't work. I said what happened? He said, the guy was doing a great job coming up the hill.

He said, I started talking about town too, and he stopped talking. Like he was like listening to me instead of spoting still. So I guess they went back to just letting them spot. But if it got down to the end of the race and I was worried about it, I probably would have done turn one myself from turn 12. Yeah. But you didn't get to the end of the race. I did. Well, I was in the end of the race. I was in a different corner by then.

So you mentioned you took over, you helped Tyler's team. Where did you? So we only have one absolute blind spot on the racetrack as where we have our spotter locations and it turns 19 and 20. Where I spawned out the first time. Yeah. And that's that's kind of why I went over there because that was, you know, that was a big wreck over there, knocked out 77 and the 84. So I just walked over there and stood. There's a little hill right there. I've seen some DBC fans on the hill took some pictures and uh just did like turns at 19 and 20 and just you know it kind of helps also with pit road you can see when guys are peeling off the pit which normally would none of the spotters could see at the time so i just went over there and helped out because i was bored and

had nothing to do did you watch on tv kacey i did did you hear what kurt bush kind of said i guess he got kind of tearful he did and we do have on a topic on that for mass tvc later but yeah it was it was i was going to ask overall um i don't know well originally I thought maybe Freddie watched it on TV after but I guess not but I was curious you know I thought there were some comments on around some negative comments around

having so many people covering the race as far as a broadcast between Gunther and Chase and Kurt I think I personally liked it I think that there is a place for somebody like Gunther within the race or within the broadcast I'm not sure

of how they did it was right, but I think that what they were doing and their goal worked out well. He provided some great insight. Were they on there at all at the same time? Like four of them? There were four guys in the booth. Yep. Chase came in and out at certain points. They would kind of tee it up to him, whether it be like the fuel strategy portion or when there was a caution that came out, which I think worked out really well. He gave some good insight on choosing. Like if I were Kyle Busch, I wouldn't take the outside front row here. I'd take the inside. behind the leader again because it worked out well the time before.

Like, definitely was inside. Were you right? But if, do what? You could hear it in the- Yeah, yeah, yeah, we hear it sweet. But what I don't understand is, like, why wouldn't Chase Selle just come to the racetrack? He wasn't there?

No, he was virtual. He looked like COVID all over again. Oh, I didn't know that. I thought he was there. I mean, I think if you were to come to the race track, it was a broke leg or whatever. Yeah. I think it was fine for how it was because we didn't need

everybody talking at the exact same time. I think they did a great job of, of teeing it up to him at various points when he needed or could provide some insight. Yeah, I hate to go back to the old school way, but I appreciate a guy like Mike Joy in the booth, a driver like Clint Boyer in a booth, and give me a crew chief or give me some other perspective. I don't need 13 drivers on the broadcast, and essentially yesterday you had three. But I saw there bringing Larry Mack back this week, which I think is smart. I think there's nobody who works harder in a business than Larry Mack.

I mean, him and Bob Poker, the guys do their homework. They got their stats. They got the information that they give us that we otherwise would never know. Yeah, 100%. Bob, do you see Bob trying to balance on the front trip wall? Solid skills. I saw that. He was, you know, he shoots that video afterwards,

and he was standing on the pit wall and Gluck filmed him, like balancing on the wall trying to pick his camera back up. It was pretty funny. Spike Lee, man. But, I mean, let's, what, I mean, Tyler Reddick really kind of put an ass weapon on everybody. I mean, we saw him practice. I mean, his times were ridiculous.

It was a second fashion, everybody in practice. And I want to get to this because we had multiple three overtime starts. I think he still had to work for it. It's not like he ran away with it at the end. I mean, I thought it was a good race. What did you guys think of the three overtimes now that it's unlimited? They were great to watch. Here's my problem.

I think of all the racetracks that we go to on our schedule, and I've not seen the Chicago Street course yet, but turn one at Indianapolis road course and turn one at Cota are a complete disaster when you have so much on the line and so little laps left and guys are going to do exactly what they did yesterday which is go for the gusto and knock the hell out of each other and knock them out of the way and you're going to have debris falling off cars you're going to have guys spinning out you're going to have cars torn up and I don't know that there's a way to fix it because those two corners create five and six wide racing, which to TJ's point, it's entertaining.

It's fun to watch. It is, but it's not. It is, but it's not. Three overtimes, come on, man. Like, it took an hour. There's no repercussions. Like, what these guys are saying is pretty much true about the respect thing. Like, it all comes down to the respect thing.

When you're 20th and 19th in line back there, you've had a really bad day. You pretty much don't care if you run into somebody and hurt their day at that point, because you've had such a bad day. And that's the attitude these guys have. But don't you agree those two corners make it easier to go from night teeth to try to get to eight? Yeah, but everyone has two pedals in those cars. Yeah, I agree with you. And their steering wheel.

And so we got into a wreck in the Xfini race because we got six wide. We went to the corner. We went to the corner three wide. There's your first problem. Well, so I talked to the other guy. One guy tried to fit between Josh and AJ and there wasn't even a car link there. Well, I'm like, why is your, you know, what was his thought process there?

And I was like, where is he supposed to go? And I'm like, where you lift? You don't have to go into that hole. If there's a car there and there's not enough room, you don't have to drive into that spot. And that's what when they get to turn one, that's what these guys are thinking. Like we had a guy inside the pit road exit,

crossing a line, forcing a wreck at Indy. I don't know how that's not a penalty. Because when you do that, you know you're going to cause a wreck. Because we have to call that guy inside. There's just a joy of a thing. Yeah, well, yeah. And I think there was another one, too though but when the guy goes down there i mean i remember what you're talking about i can't remember

when a car goes inside that line we're gonna call them there well if you're you already got two cars on your left what's gonna happen somebody is getting wrecked all and the guy in the inside pretty much knows it and that's what they they just don't care and guys get cars tore up people lose good finishes like there's no there's no respect i just don't know though with those configurations once you get that late race caution which obviously came yesterday for dirt on the track right no that was for us for six yeah we just yeah we just DJ's fault again. We actually broke and like we'd actually did break and I was trying to get Brad

off the track and he was probably ready to get off the track. He tried. But with those configurations, like I don't know how you fix the problem. It's a simple fix and it's not going to be very popular. What is it? No green white checkers. Get rid of them. I hate them.

You know, for one, you're changing the distance of the race. Two, this is what we get. And it's like, what used to be worse because you used to have limited, you know, they'd be three. So now if you knew there was the third one, all bets are off. If you, if Kyle Busch knew that that last restart yesterday was the last restart, you know, if that's the third attempt and listen, I'm good. Like, I don't, I know there's, if the caution comes out, this race is over, he's just going to go in that corner and clean Tyler Redick out, come off of one with the lead, yellow's out potentially either he has the lead or the yellow's out and he's

won the race. Now, are you saying get rid of green white checkered for everything or just I'm okay with, I'm okay with getting ready for everything. Like I know, I know that's not popular, but you look at how much we tear up every time we do green white checkers. Millions of dollars worth of equipment gets torn up. You know, the guy that dominates the race half the time doesn't win because a lot of

people see, I can't beat this guy heads up. So this is my only chance on a green white checker is to run through the back of them or run off the race tracker, you know, do something different that they have to get a chance because they can't beat him heads up. Tyler Redick is really lucky yesterday that he got through all. I'm saying, like the guy dominates the guy

dominates the race and then dominated He blew the corner a couple times on a couple restarts and came out with the lead or Chase Byron back down and took the lead back. But like it could have very easily just one guy getting in there too hot. Somebody, you know, the one time I think it was the 99 kind of got shoved into Kyle and Kyle hit Tyler and launched him up the race track. Like just one little chain reaction thing and your whole day is shot because we're doing

four green white checkers. Like, listen, like Kyle Bush would be a Daytona 500 champion right now if we got rid of green white checkers. You know, like just the race is the race. If the yellow comes out, it's a whole. over like we did it for how long like i'm i'm kind of a traditional let's just get rid of this because all we do is tear race cars up and and it seems pretty pointless i don't think i and i hope people can prove me wrong i don't remember cow bush ever wrecking somebody in the cup series to win a

race i mean damn you don't forget about richmond already didn't you win it from clint because of it did i win richmond because him i didn't win i've never won richmond i don't think who was born for oh he ran he wrecked dale didn't he wrecked dale yes what i want for the lead, was it? Yeah, I think it was for the lead. Was it? Yes. That's when I get, that's when I didn't like each other.

I guess. Yeah. I can't believe you forgot that. That was like 2002 or so. What did you guys think of the, 9? 08, 9, yeah. What did you guys think of the caution? I don't think that's a week I got fired.

I didn't watch that race. Debris. Debris. So the track was severely dirty. They were, they were, they were on the racetrack. It was all caution, you know. Like there was one time there's a whole tire car. The one time the three car, I seen him sitting up there. There was stuff laying all around his car.

I got a video of it because I was out of the race. There was debris. There's nothing you can do about it. When there's debris. Like, I don't think any of the cautions were unwarranted. It's just, you know, it's just ridiculous that that's what. I mean, and you're going to, like, we probably could have had one at the end again, right? I think it was the 20 was nursing back around with a bunch of damage.

Like, I'm sure they probably stuff fell off of that thing somewhere. I feel like we got to do something about turn nine, though, because that's the turn. They all run through the dirt on the right and it throws us to the left. And then after about 12 laps, 10 to 12 laps, it's so dirty offline there. Somebody, you miss it a little bit, like Denny, Denny did, 20 did. I saw that 21. There's a bunch of them that slide through it. And it was, I could see it through the binoculars way up on the hill there.

That's how dirty it was. We work a lot of races. We wear headsets. We don't always realize how loud these cars are. Let me tell you something on the front stretch when they come through that little tunnel thing. My Lord is loud. It is ear piercing when they come by you. I'll tell you what else they are.

He's tried mufflers. It's hot, apparently. Did you see that interview with Jensen Button, talking about he wanted to quit because the car was so hot? Yes. And I saw somebody else, I can't remember. I think it was Byron did an interview where, you know, he said that that was one of the harder races he's had to run because of heat and CO in the cars.

Guess what? It wasn't that hot. It wasn't that hot out. I mean, it was 85. It wasn't 100 like it'll be in Chicago. Oh, that's pretty hot. You know how hot is going to be in Chicago in July 4th? Yeah.

Pretty hot. Yeah. One of the hottest days of my life was at Chicago Land Speedway. that one day. Maybe it'll rain. That's our only hope. Let's hope not. But no, I thought that was interesting.

Some of his comments, too, were really interesting about, like, you know, just the different forms of race. And listen, you could see it with them guys early in the race. Like, we were behind Jordan who caught. Jordan did a phenomenal job all weekend. But he qualified up there in top 10 somewhere. And then we got behind him on the first restart through the S's. And they're just getting eaten up because they're just not used to like just, everybody gouging for every inch.

Was that Jordan? Jordan? I saw him like start fourth and then we got that first young. I looked up, oh, how's he running? What, 10th? Yeah, he got happened here. Yeah, he got shuffled pretty, you know, and it's just a product of like they, the guys on our side just race for every inch.

Well, that's what Button said is interview. Like, I'm going through this corner and think I'm doing a good job and all of a sudden somebody's on my outside. It's like, how'd he get out there. Yeah. He said like, that's because he's better than you. Yeah. He said like nobody would normally take that opportunity.

You know, like in his sport, like they don't, they just don't feel holes like that. So I thought that was pretty interesting to hear his comments about how aggressive. And then I was laughing about, what do you, you tweeted it this morning, but say everybody got whacked. Yeah. It's like, he whacked me. He whacked him back. Whack them back. Kimmy, Kimmy, whack me.

I whack him back. I mean, those. I was thinking of that whack-a-mong game we used to play. We used to whack the hell out of it. I thought those guys did a good job, though. I mean, so here's the thing. AJ Amadinger came into the Neutronach Solutions Suite yesterday, and you would appreciate this.

And obviously, he won the race a day before. and they asked him about these guys coming in and running this race. And he said, if this were the Xfinity race, they would get into these Xfinity Series cars and they would struggle because they don't have as much grip and it's a lot harder to do the H pattern shifting 40 times a lap than it is with the cup cars. So the background that these guys have in their other series and the fact that these cars kind of drive more like I guess a Trans-Am car,

they're able to adapt really quickly and get in and do what they did yesterday. But I thought it was cool that AJ, who obviously is a very accomplished road racer, arguably one of the best road racers in the country right now, said that if they got in the Xfinity Series cars, they wouldn't be able to do it. Yeah. They'd get their tails came. And I think, you know, Jordan was probably obviously the class of that field, you know, between them.

And a lot of people, I don't know if they didn't realize or don't, you know, they might forget that he's been testing that garage, 56 project at Kota for the last, you know, a couple months or whatever it's been. So he had a little bit of advantage on some of the other guys. Like, and Button hadn't raced in like three years, I think he said. But Kimmy was up there. Yeah, Kimmy was up there. And Kimmy was fast at Watkins Glen.

He was in the top 10, 12. One thing you can't say is those track house cars aren't fast because Ross and and Daniel were in the top five pretty much all day. Ross had an amazing recovery because I took a video with one of them restart. He was crashed. Ross at lap 61 was backwards in turn one. I know. I videoed it.

Waited and drew a caution, which probably should be addressed. And then was P4 at lap, whatever it was, 74. You do have like a two minutes to sit there and make them throw it and then take off. I mean, you can sit there forever and not have to, and not lose anything. You know, and that's what he did. He sat there forever. They threw the caution finally. And then he fired up and drove away.

Yeah. And then 10 laps later, he's got a top five out of it. So, I mean. Actually, he did a little bit better job than it. He waited until the stage to shut got there. there because he knew he could. Yeah. And yeah, that was interesting.

But do you think that should not be allowed or do you think that's an advantage people get? It should never be a, if you intentionally draw a caution, there should be a one lap penalty, then you're not eligible for Lucky Dog, in my opinion. That should be the standard rule. It's pretty standard at short tracks everywhere. If you get a flat tire, a lot of times you'll see guys stop by the wall at a short track because he's got a flat tire and draw a caution because they're better off one lap down because if they go to the infield or something with a flat or some of these race your pit,

you're going to lose multiple laps. but I think anywhere you draw on a caution, intentionally draw a caution, it should be a one-lap penalty and you're not eligible for Lucky Dogs. What do you think of the discussions, I guess, Bubba, or Bowman and Daniel had and Daniel and Ross had, I mean, I don't know. Warranted or not? No, it's not warranted. I mean, the 99 drives through a lot of stuff, a lot.

and I've been on the receiving end of that numerous times, and it's just racing, man. I mean, he's been on the giving end a lot. Sometimes you receive it. Man, he almost made a huge error. Yep. A massive, massive, massive error. A little bit harder in a side-based car.

So when he caught, and I'm just going to point it out, when he caught Bowman after the race, and he hit him, there's an official standing right, there on the left, less than 10 feet from them. And we burnt Ty Gibbs to the ground last year on this show for doing something very similar. There is a human standing there. And if you hit him a little bit harder to TJ's point, and he loses control of his car, and he spins out, that human is at risk of death. So, you know, you played him games, you do whatever you want to do in a racetrack. All things are created equal. When you decide to come on to the pit road entry,

there are humans out there. And when I saw that replay, I absolutely cringed because I was like, holy cow, this could have gone bad. And in the moment, I get it. Daniel Suarez is mad. He's upset. But you have got to have people talking to you, and you've got to have enough mental fortitude about you to not do that.

Yeah, this is just, you know, what an idiot personified? Like, you can't do this. You know, and not only that, he runs into Ross coming to Pit Road. about shows him, shoves Ross out into the, you know, runoff area there.

Yeah, and then, and then he hits Bowman hard enough to get Bowman out of shape once. And then as they, that, the official's probably, I don't know,

20 feet in front of Bowman's car at that point. Then they get to the official again, and he hits him again. And then Bowman, I think, hits the brakes to, like, you know,

break check him, but like, why are we using the cars? I mean, go park your car and get out and go talk to somebody. Exactly right. And if you're,

and like, to Brett's point, if you're going to do it, do it on the track. Like there's nobody around on the race track. Don't do it. I don't think you should do it anyway

because half the time these guys start on buckling, you know, they're trying to, you know, drop the window nets. The race is over. Get some air. You know,

but last year, Ty Gibbs, we talked about it. Texas, I think it was. He swerved at somebody while there was a pick stop going on, 75,000 and 25 points. And if it's not at least that, then NASCAR's really dropped the ball here.

There's a tweet from Dustin Long saying that the action could result in a loss of 25 to 50 driver and or team, on their points and or 50,000 to $100,000 fine. Daniel Sores for the first time in his Cup Series career is on a path to be successful. When you look at what he did, Joe Gibbs Racing, and look, man, that air sponsorship was massive money, big money, and you're in some of the best cars in the garage, you struggle.

And then you leave there, you go to Stewart Hoss where every car the year before was winning races and you struggle. And then you obviously get in a situation where you, you're not competitive. He rebounds. He is in an awesome situation right now. From a marketing perspective, from a competition perspective, obviously he's an international driver perspective. A lot of good things. A lot of good things are going your way, man. Just don't lose sight of that. Because, I mean, dude, track house cars are fast. Ross Chastain is leading the points championship, right? He was going to be, yes. I mean, it's crazy. Don't screw it up. He was going to be in

position to win the race yesterday because the 45, I was on their radio, I know for a fact what their position they were in, the 24 and the one, I think we're all in similar positions. They were short on fuel. The last, you know, yellow come out and it was right on the window, so they were about a lap short on fuel. So they were having to save, and I don't know

if they just said, the hell would it, or if they were good on fuel, but the fastest car at that point was the 99. He had just drove him by Ross. He had just drove by Byron and was going to run Tyler down because Tyler was saving. Tyler didn't have a choice. He was going to catch him.

And then the yellow came out so everybody came to pay road. But I think he was going to be in the best. One of their cars was in the best spot. If he had fuel to make it, he was going to win the race. So, but yeah, they. I'll tell you this about track house. Ty Norris is not afraid to sit you down and have a very difficult conversation with you. Some companies will let stuff go tying like that, man.

If he sees where he can make those guys better, he's going to sit them down. He's going to talk about it. Obviously, Justin Marks can be involved in that too. But they need to rein him in a little bit. I mean, we talked to tie last year somewhere about Ross when Ross was on that tear of really not giving a how he race people. And now, obviously, they talk to Ross. You can see Ross is a lot better. So he still make mistakes?

Yeah, they all do. But I think Daniel, in this situation, man, I'm not a fan of what happened right there. Speaking of Ross, did you see the Kyle Bush interview? No. They did an interview with Kyle Bush after the race and he's standing there just talking. you know, and he was the one last week that brought up the lack of respect, and it was exemplified this weekend. And he's standing there talking and talking and I forget exactly what he's talking about,

just how his race when and, you know, how they race at the end. And then they're talking about, you know, guys not racing each other clean. And at the same time, Ross walks up next to him to do an interview of his own. And Tyler goes, and speaking of not racing anybody clean, look over here. That's what Kyle did. I can't remember the exact quote. Andrew had sent it to me. That's pretty funny.

That's the exact quote. I was just laughing. And then he just said that and then continued on with whatever he was talking about before that interview. Race fans, here is an announcement we are very excited about. Beginning this race season, RacingUSA.com has become the headquarters for officially licensed door bumper clear merchandise. In addition to door bumper clear hats, T-shirts, and novelties we announced on last week's show, T.J. Freddie and myself, we've agreed to autograph 164-scale door bumper clear die-cast cars for our fans. If you shop at RacingUSA.com, you can pre-order one of these diecast for your favorite spotter or a pre-order set with all three spotters and save $10 and get free shipping. A maximum of 720 sets of

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Here's the Chandler Smith race version. I fix this thing. Well, y'all go get your autographed diecast, I guess, and take care of it. Don't smash my name, please. Well, I think we have plenty more topics to discuss, so let's head into spot on, spot off. Spot on, spot off. Spot off. Spot on.

Yeah, spot all. It was super fun yesterday to ride around there. I am spot off. Damn. Where did he come from? Freddie, since you are on top of your game today, spot on, spot off. I've added notes, by the way, so this is it. I'm done.

Thankfully, we are at the final topic. Golden goosies. Golden goosies. I know that we can handle it much more. I thought it was a good race. I don't think a lot of people agreed with you. This is what I told you we should skip. Spot on, spot off.

I absolutely. I told you we should skip it. Straight to DBC picks. We should just go check. Let's start one idiot right now. Yeah, let's just, I mean, what an idiot could probably be a 30-minute segment right now. First topic, NASCAR does not throw the caution flag for stage breaks at Coda, making this the first race since Homestead of 2016 to have no predetermined caution flags.

Wow. Freddie. We've gone six years with stage racing? Doesn't seem that long, does it? Holy cow. Listen, it was a home run for me. I think you saw the race play out. Not a home run for you.

You didn't finish. Yes, I did. I just was on a different car when I finished. But no, like, I think that that's exactly what you wanted yesterday's race. You know, I had tweeted something during the Xfinity race or the truck race about, you know, here are the pros and cons of this. And the pro is the races are shorter. You know, there's no drawn-out cautions.

I think you're looking at probably that race yesterday is 30 minutes longer if we have two stage breaks that you're going to ride around for a couple laps and open pit road, you know, do the pit cycle and stuff. So, you know, the downside of it is the race can get strung out, which the race tends to get strung out anyway. You know, we, you know, we saw after cautions, AJ and them checked out the other day. You know, Tyler and Byron were kind of checking out yesterday. So road course racing can get strung out anyway. But, you know, I just think yesterday you saw different strategies playing out. And to our pre-race meetings every week are kind of strategy meetings of how, and they have data, which, you know, they have a base lap time for every lap.

factors in your tire fall off and every week they'll tell us it's faster it's seven seconds to faster to pit twice in this stage versus pit once or whatever it is you know then we get there and it's always completely opposite well yeah sometimes so then yesterday but yesterday they said like the you and road course racing but without yellows before was always run backwards like you would if you could however long you had a pit to get to your windows that you just pit no matter where you were running if it was lap 15 lap 30 and then you get to the end you're good um so yesterday they said said like it was almost virtually the same to pit twice versus pitting three times. Like lap time fall off was about the same where you were going to meet at the start

finish line essentially at the end if everything held up. And Tyler was on that strategy and Byron looked like he was on a two-stop strategy. And I think if it played out, it would have been really fun to watch. But that's what you get when you have these, you know, you don't have, you know, these drawn-out cautions or predetermined cautions of, you know, the strategy is then, all right, do we want stage points or not? We're going to either pit two laps before the stage or we're going to stay out and get stage points and then we'll re-rack later. So I like to see a play out more organically again,

kind of an old traditional. I was a little surprised there wasn't more fall off than what there was. I really would like one of the best things about Sonoma is the big fall off. And we always say we always like it when there's a lot of fall off. Yeah, anywhere. And guys take the risk of staying out there. And then you got, you know, the top six or so stay out. Then you got tires and you got a couple, two tires from, you know, eighth and nine or something like that. But it's just always good to have a mix, but I really I would have liked to see a little bit more fall off. I mean,

that guy that goes for every race track we go to. I'm one million percent spot on for whoever made this decision. Do we know who made this decision? I don't know. We did, I think. Well, well, since we have so much influence, let's lay this out there. Don't stop

the damn race at Talladega either. Don't stop. Because to your point, that's exactly what we do. We take when we know those stage breaks are happening and we do our strategy against it. And it makes the races less entertaining. I was a big fan of watching Byron and Reddick. And at one point, AJ was up there like, they're racing. They're crossing each over other. They're side by side. But I'm sitting there watching it. And I'm so entertained. And I'm like, man, where are we right now? Because I think the Daytona 500 was boring.

And I think this race was freaking awesome. And then we go to Martinsville and it's like, damn, it's boring. And then we go to freaking the roval, and a roval's awesome. Like, where are we at as a sport to where our best product is a road course race? Yeah, I mean. But with that said, if that's the case, not having stage breaks makes it even better. So when you look at the races that are left, we got four or five more road courses, three more plate races. They need to come in here to these plate races and do the same thing.

I know we don't have plates anymore, but Daytona Talladega. I mean, I'm everywhere. Get rid of them everywhere. You can pay the points and not stop the race. But what I do like about it, Freddie, is when we stop the race, then we don't run as high of a risk as missing something on the track when TV goes to commercial. But, and Clint told me after Daytona that if all hell broke loose, whatever commercial, they couldn't come back. They had to finish their commercial run. Well, then at Atlanta, they came back.

They broke for a commercial and they immediately came back with something happen. So obviously, he didn't have a shit together. Surprise. But for me, I live. literally would love to see us do away with the stopping the races, but I also get while we do it some places. Yeah. I mean, it was such an afterthought yesterday. There were some guys that messed some stuff up with that. But, you know, it's just like it's, like I said, it's 30 minutes shorter and it's like, it just, I don't know. It just. They did have a lot more time for

post race coverage. Yeah. And then like, I mean, you look at the race on Saturday. The Xfinity race was like, I think last year it was like two and a half hours and this race was like an hour, 45, hour, 50 maybe. Yeah. You know, I don't know. And I don't know if that's great for the person that's there because I've seen some people tweeted me that, you know, if I'm at the track, I want to get my money's worth and I guess they want to see. Why don't know why making you leave? I mean, like, you really want to see cars roll around for a half hour under caution.

There's this thing. If mass pro shops called tents and you can actually get a tent and just stay there, you don't have to leave. So you go to these races to watch these guys who are incredibly really good at what they do. These road course guys, we've talked about it before. A handful of years ago, you could bring a ringer in, and that guy was going to run top five. You bring a ringer in nowadays. That guy is not run top 15. You know, it's hard.

Like, these guys are, I don't think we give them enough credit for how good the top 25 guys are in our series. And how hard they work at being good. And how hard they work at being good, because they are incredibly good. And that's what you go to see is these guys be that good lap after lap. but I don't I don't consider a guy really good because we had a stage break and then a restart and the guy went in there and knocked a couple guys out of the way

and got whacked them. Yeah, I want to see like if you're running forth and you earned it, that's what I want to see. I want to see a guy, you know, work is way up there and make progress and I don't know, I don't necessarily think that you need yellows to, that's not really showing his talent.

I think the other thing that brings into play a lot more. So, you know, we used to have this all the time, I feel like, don't remember many of them in recent history fuel mileage races you know that race was going to come down to a fuel mileage race yesterday if they don't have that caution with when you stop you know when you had stuck there um you know i i remember like it would be every other week it felt like a race was going to play out to be fuel mileage and i don't remember ever now like maybe polka no or something comes down to fuel mileage i'm fine fuel mileage yeah like i mean it's strategy that's part of the game

you know and uh you know i don't know it's just i i i thought it was a home run at road courses for sure definitely i would love to see them get rid of them at plate races you got You got to give a shout out to Ford right here because Ford changed the game. Jack Roush had the best fuel mileage. Robert Yates had the best horsepower. What did they do? Ford stepped in and went, why are we competing with each other? Let's marry these two things together.

Yeah. And then Roush took off because then you had their fuel mileage with freaking Yates' horsepower. Guess what Martin did? He went out to worry out. I want to, I mean, I think it's, I'd like to see them, the cars be hard. harder to drive with these guys because they don't show you even how much better they really even are you know cut the tires in half give them 200 more horsepower that I want to see him drive it and I mean

I think would get a heck of a show moving on NASCAR penalizes several drivers throughout the race after violating track limit rules set by the series spot on spot off TJ I mean they were they were on it all weekend if you mess with it I mean lap two they had three guys even in practice in practice they gave out some warnings and they were strict. I mean, it was, it was constant, man. And I liked how you got warnings and practice because you can kind of test the waters a little bit. And then in the race, I mean, every single race, if you cut it, I saw some people get forced over and didn't gain anything and that wasn't a penalty. I mean, if somebody just drove you over there, it wasn't like you couldn't get a pen. It seems like they were lenient with that. But if you drove over there and gained time,

you know, you were, you were getting popped for it. I thought they were consistent all weekend. That's all you can ask for is consistent. And there was no warnings in the race. There was no like there was awesome. I think they probably, I wasn't at the driver's meeting, but I'm probably sure that Elton or whoever talks in that driver's meeting said,

hey guys, just so you know, this is your warning. Like don't do this in the race. You know, we got a couple of years in practice, got a couple guys in qualifying. The exfinity truck races,

they were nailing guys left and right. And then like I think it was lap three. It was like the seven, the 11 and somebody else, maybe 34, somebody like right off the bat. And I was like, I was like,

Bubba, They're not playing around, so make sure you're on the track limits. We knew that from the first two races that they weren't going to mess with it. If you did it, you were done. Ty Gibbs probably got that penalty. I was going to say, Ty Gibbs got it over. Ty Gibbs got that penalty probably six times this weekend. Because he got it in practice, he got it in the race, in Exfendi practice.

He got it in the cup race. Like, he's not a fan of that penalty, I guarantee it. I'm spot off for the consistency of it. I'm just spot all for the fact that you can really get out of bounds. It's easy to do. T.J has said this on this show a lot of time. about running through the grass and tearing your car up and people being like, oh man, you know,

I think Del Jr. is pro, make everything pavement or concrete down there where you don't tear your car up. If you screw up, there should be a penalty. This is racing. This is a football. If you step out of bounds, a referee stops game and you re-rack them, right? In this particular form of motorsports for me, and look, I don't know that we want turtles out there where they're jumping them like

they did at Indy that year. But for me, if you get out of bounds, I don't know, in a race car, there should be a penalty. And it shouldn't be a penalty from the tower. It should be a penalty from you screwed up. You aren't going to be able to do this and go faster through this section. And for me, not having parameters around that area of the track and allowing them guys to be able to, quote, shortcut it.

It shouldn't even be a thing. I disagree with you on that just because of the fact of what we had at Indy. You put stuff out there like that and you end up destroying race cars. You end up ruining other people's day. Now you're going to ruin five guys' day because Ty Gibbs made a mistake. Like I think it's hard to do, especially in that section because they're all so tight. You know, I think that the way to do it is the best way is, I mean, and the problem is, but you can go back. I guarantee you can go back.

And if you watch every car go through there, every lap, you're going to find instances where they didn't call it. And that's where it's hard. So it's a double-edged sword. But I think if you start putting, you know, a turtle or a wall or something to confine them there, one guy's mistake is going to ruin the day for multiple guys. And I don't think that's fair. I mean, how's that any different than Monaco? They go into one of them corners and, you know, second place, Rex.

I'm not saying it can't happen, but, like, I just feel like it doesn't need, it's not a necessity. I don't think. I don't know if we need a wall right there, or something that tears the car up. There should be, yeah, but there should be like, let's put a pond. If you're on the track, you're just falling a pond. That way you can't mess up. The bus stop at the glen used to be one of the most entertaining corners of that place. A million times, yes.

Because there was one guy that would go in there and his car would be. four feet in the air and I think you already know who I'm talking about super fast but it was exciting now every now that there's no curb there they just cut the track they did it's yeah they cut it to the right just make straight yeah and then they made the curb on the left so big as well there's really no like it's easy yeah it's too easy for them to go through there like I don't know I there's got to be a way it's too easy and it's too fast both yeah I think I think I think I think I think I'm all for you know making it so you can't go fast you know I mean like yeah but I don't think we need that thing we had at indie like where you know i forget who it was like jumped it and like

is william went down and yeah somebody i think william rickland probably too like they end up jumping the thing and you know that's i i don't think we need that but if you want to make the curves a little taller so like it's not an advantage to go through there you know like because that's all it is it's so flat that they just drive over it it that doesn't slow them down at all what about what if it's grass grass i mean yeah i mean i mean i you know make it like they wet grass yeah dirt like then you're running the same problem. You're running the turn nine where you're throwing dirt on the racetrack and probably making the mess. Sprinkler over there. I like it. I don't know.

What do you call it? Like a flat strip, you know, a spike strip. Yeah, something, man. Tax. Yeah, like you leave the rental car places. We have that thing to drive over and you, I tell you what, you won't do that one time. Yeah. I've always wanted to do that, by the way. Just go hauling ass over that spike strips. Just see what happens. I get nervous going over it like the way you're supposed to go out. Like, I'm like, I always stopped right before. Well, we talked about this a little bit earlier, but after the race, Ryan Priest tweeted,

What a bunch of hacks and went on to say it comes down to a lack of respect. They run into everyone and ruin days. Someone needs an ass kicking for sure. And that's a quote from front stretch. Spot on, spot off, Brett. I mean, don't talk about an ass kicking if you ain't going to offer one up. Yeah, I mean, you could have went over there and kicked somebody's ass. I mean, there's air and opportunity between you and everybody out there.

Take advantage of it. If you're going to, I mean, if you're going to threaten to throw hands, go throw some hands. If I was him, I'd leave my helmet on, though, just in case that other guy's tougher than you are. Look, man, this is product, and we've talked about this on this show with multiple guests on the show. A guy's like Jeff Burton, Jamie McMurray. This is a product of what is on the line. It's the stage points. It's the finishing position.

It's the opportunity to make the playoff, the opportunity to make the All-Star race. and when you have these late race cautions at these tracks where there are places like turn one exist or a place like Martinsville or a place like Bristol where you've got an opportunity to lay a bumper to a guy and change your season, right? Completely. I said last week or whatever week it was that Kizowski lost that race to Lugano when he led him to his right rear. It changes your season. So if you've got an opportunity to go win at all costs, we talk about it on the show, win at all costs. So what's that mean? It means you might have to knock somebody to hell out of the way.

And that's what we're seeing. Yeah. And Ryan Priest better get used to it because I'm going to tell you what. It ain't going to get any easier for it. I don't think that's what Ryan Priest means, though. I think Ryan running second at Martin's on the white flag lap and he's on the guy's bumper. I definitely think Ryan probably bumps the guy a little bit and races him to the line. Now, I think what Ryan's talking about here is at the end of the race, like I said earlier,

you're running 19th had a bad day. You're just going in there looking to hit somebody. And I think that's what he means. It's easy. You're going in there. A guy is running 8th or 9th. Hasn't anything all day. Just trying to get to the finish line. Here comes the guy from four lanes back.

Just T-bones, yeah, for no reason. I'm going to say it again. Get used to it. I don't think that's... When we get to the Indianapolis Road course and there's a caution with three to go, what's going to have to go on to turn one? Sheesh.

Oh, I'm going to take the... The cut to the Ross Lane. You ain't going to change it. Here's the thing with Ryan, and this is just his background is working on your own race call. getting everything prepared yourself. So he feels like he has more respect for the equipment than some of the guys that get handed rides or buy rides.

He's not wrong. He's not wrong. I'm not saying he's wrong. But at the same time, at the end of the race, let me ask you this, Brett, where did you not want to be on them restarts? I wouldn't want to be. Or just lane-wise.

Yeah, I wouldn't want to be on the inside. You wouldn't want to be on the inside? I wouldn't want to be on the inside at Turn 1 Top of Kota. Not if I'm like where TJ's talking about 15. Did you watch the last couple restarts? Well, I mean, I'm saying like, When you restart, you're going to have to block the inside. Yeah.

When you don't block it, they're still going to hit you. They're still going to come out yet. And when they hit you on the bottom, where do you go? They're going to wash you up to the top. Yeah. But there ain't nowhere good to be from sixth on back. So Ryan got kind of, he chose the top on the first green white checker, got kind of shuffled. So then he chose the top again on the second green white checker and got kind of shuffled.

And then he chose the top again on the third green white checker. And like the reason he. he got wrecked was because he chose, you know, he chose the top and they, they all start bouncing off each other and you got to run wide. Well, eventually you run wide. You've got to come back because there's grass and gravel over there. Yeah, yeah. And he got turned because he was having to come back on the racetrack. And there's a guy there. The guy that turned him, I don't even know who it was. It was somebody with a nose inside of him, but they never turned into them. They went straight, but Ryan had to come back. And it's just, you know,

them last restarts, like, you don't want to be out there, I don't think, because you're at the mercy of everybody on the left. Like the bottom opens up. There's a reason why why Kyle Bush kept choosing the bottom behind Tyler. Yeah. You know, because that bottom, it stacks up a little bit on entry, but you get off of there a lot better while everybody else is out here just, you know, in the beginning of the race, everybody goes in that first corner and says, all right, let's just get through this corner.

There's nobody's really running with each other, maybe just a little bit. Somebody rolls around the outside, gains a couple spots. At the end of the race, Greenwich Hacker, everyone goes in there way deeper, harder, hits each other, and that lane is no longer useful. Yeah, it's just you can't be out there. It's as simple as that. And then the fact that you continue to choose out there kind of like, man, what were you doing? You know they're going to do that to you.

Yeah. So, I mean. And listen, we talk these turns like that turn at Cota and that turn at Indy, they're not made for our cars. They're not made for a NASCAR race, you know. Where is that guy going? Top 10, bud. Where is he going? Five and six wide.

That is six wide right there. We're looking at 38 car, cramming himself into a hole that ain't there. and but he finished 10th yeah top 10 top 10 for Todd Gillette so to your point why wouldn't you do it yeah I wasn't Todd that was Joe Graf oh that was that's that was that was before you race yeah I'm surprised that that didn't work um but yeah so you know and we're gonna like we talked about them race them corners that that's made for a Formula one race that that whole track is Formula one purpose but those guys they have there's there's also they don't have fenders

They don't have fenders, but they also don't. There's also... Well, there's also 20 of them. And they, and the sanctioning body will come down and say, look, you drove in there. You caused this. You caused this huge wreck. You know better than to do that. So there's penalties.

So do we want to answer this? No, no, no, no. We don't have any penalties. Do you want NASCAR having to intervene and drop penalties for a restarts? This isn't going to change. This is asking for something that just simply isn't going to happen. It's just, we just talked about it. It's going to happen.

again. When we go to Indy, we have late race restarts at Indy, it's going to be the same thing. We're going to be 18 wide. The guys on the top are going to get shoved out in the grass. Somebody's going to blow through the... They're going to shortcut. Yeah, like... I'm going to tell you where else it's going to happen. If we have a late race restart, turn one at Chicago, it's going to be the same thing. It's a left hand 90 degree car. The whole track's will be blocked. It's no different than turn one at Indy. I'll be watching for Myrtle Beach. Y'all have fun.

Freddie, this next one is for you. A frustrated Bubba Wallace says Two weeks in a row making rookie mistakes. Six years in the cup. I need to be replaced after mechanical issues took him out early in the race. What's his mistake, Freddie? I want to know that first. So last week he spun out, obviously. Just got free, spun out.

Cars were kind of on edge. We saw some guys spent out in qualifying last week. So we lost it spun out last week. That's what he's referring to last week. This week, it was hard for me to tell. It was right in front of me. Obviously, he got in the corner way too hot. think that he was getting a run on the one down off of 11 into 12. And it looked to me like the one,

for whatever reason, the one checked up. We were, I think we were getting ready to commit to making a move. And the one maybe checked up before that or just backed his entry up a little bit. That was 15 as well, right? That was, no, that was 12. We were getting into 12. Were you hit in 15, I think. No, we hit in 12. Oh, okay. I thought it was later. So we, like he, I think he, to avoid the one kind of swerved out of line, but then when he, that kind of just threw off his braking and we just got in there way too hot. And I don't know any of this. I haven't talked about, but just what it looked like.

It looked like the one kind of just messed his rhythm up a little bit. And then when he avoided the one, it was like, oh, I am now way past my mark, just kind of locked them up and slid into whoever it was. I think it was Jones. He hit John and Larsen, yeah. And I'm like, thankfully, I'm in sure it didn't help their day in it all, but he destroyed our car. but you know that's just what he's getting and then these remarks are just kind of Bubba being Bubba and I hate when he says stuff like this is him being hard on himself but you know the

he made a mistake you know that's a mistake people like with the guy that Brett calls a lot of them the guy that Brett calls the best driver in the world it's exact same thing last year at Indianapolis you know these guys make mistakes you're permitted to make a mistake so you don't have to hammer yourself at all times but you know it is what it is I wish he didn't make the comment he's not getting replaced And we'll be back with the cars, just like last year to start the year. We have super good cars. Our cars are fast everywhere we go.

And we'll turn it around and go on a run here at some point. And it'll be soon. I don't like the comments. I just, I mean, everyone, there's a lot of mistakes that were made. And I know it looks two weeks in a row, but there's sometimes that happens. It's racing, man. You never know what's going to happen every week. It can get pretty bad at some points.

I mean, there was one year, even with Dale Jr. Hendrick, that one year we had was really bad. And we were struggling. But you just got to keep going, man. The hard thing about our sport is we have CMOs that allocate these budgets to fund sponsorships for race cars. And you only have to change one CMO's mind one way or the other for it to be a bigger sponsorship or completely go away. So when you're the guy and look, Bubba Wallace is the guy. I mean, he's the longest 10-year driver at 2311 motorsports. I mean, even though you're a young company, he's still the longest-tenured guy.

and he's what allowed you to be able to really start the company. I mean, Bubble was garnering a lot of sponsorship, a lot of attention, and he's a talented guy. And when he goes on there and says something like this, the optics of it are bad. And I think probably he wishes he had it back. I think he probably wishes he wouldn't have said it. But to Freddie's point, I mean, he tends to wear his feelings on the sleeve. And some of these interviews, you've just got to be more aware of what you're talking about and how you're saying it and how you're presenting yourself.

because, I mean, I don't see Michael Jordan, you know, in his heyday of missing a shot to win a game, and him be like, well, I should have made a shot. I need to be replaced. Like, I think it's just a little bit too much. You're in the Cup series. I mean, you're in the highest form you can be in here. Yeah, I mean, if anything, just, man, don't just don't say. He's won at every level he's been at.

We didn't win an Xfinity race yet, but we will. But, like, and that, I think another thing that plays into it, and we kind of seen this last year with that deal at Vegas. We were, that was up until that point, Bubba was having the best week he's ever had at a road course. It was fast in practice, you know,

I mean, and this is, we were perennial, I mean, when we were at 43, we were awful at road courses. I mean, we'd run 25th,

you know, and then, you know, he got a little better. We got a little more speed at Toyota, obviously, and he got a little bit better, but we still weren't super competitive.

You know, we could run 15th-ish, maybe 12th, you know, sneak a couple top tens in, but like, he was second in practice. You know, you know, he qualified 11th, I think, right there with everybody else.

And then he was running 11th and, you know, working Ross over to pass him for a top 10. So he was having his best week ever and then, you know, makes a mistake. So I feel like, you know, he's coming into the weekend. I mean, he even tweeted something about like, who the hell is the guy driving a 23 this week, you know? So coming in now you think like your hopes are here. Like before, you know, his hopes were road course. Expectations were lower. Now, you know, man, holy, you know, I'm actually.

improve way better. Obviously, a lot of that's Tyler helping, you know, the guys at the shop, Keegan Leahy did a lot of work behind the scenes also at 2311 help them guys who's their Coca-Cola Sim racer. But, you know, like you're having your best week ever and then that, you know, something else creeps up and it's just like another punch to the gut.

I watch Bubba's incident happen and we used to see it all the time with these cars. You would wheel hop and you'd bust your butt. And obviously he didn't wheel hop. These cars are a lot harder to make well hop. The cup cars are, ex-finity cars aren't. But I mean, he just, dude, he's missed a mark. And that's freaking easier to do than you think when you're, I mean, you're going balls to the wall.

And you miss one little thing. And next thing you know, you're in too deep. Well, 10 feet's a lot. Yeah. Oh, yeah. The way these guys drive. So. Oh, it's huge.

He'll be back, man. Look, we've seen this guy come back and have success. And I would imagine he shows up at Richmond with an attitude and a chip on his shoulder and he goes out there and has a good day. Let's move on to Reaction Theater. You can always tell me that's called born in caution. Two cars spin out. Let's five laps to go. Nick Fannie Gray, you know they're born in caution, them crazy fools.

Dumb motherfuck. We're going to either roast NASCAR or we're going to love NASCAR if not calling that costume. Extended it right before five minutes. If Jason Brownlow was ever going to get drunk and call into the show, that's what it would sound like. Jason Brownlow, for y'all, you that don't know, Jason Brownlow joined us on the show here. Maybe our first year, TJ. Yeah, Brownlow was on the show with us. He loves DBC.

He is now the assistant series director in the Xfinity series. So basically he's Kip in the Cup series, but he's in his experience. He was Kip yesterday in a Cup series. Was he? Oh, nice. I am a Brownlow fan, but if he were going to get a faked and call in, that's what he would sound like. Congratulations to Kip Chilters. His daughter got married over the weekend, so I seen Brownlow yesterday and he said,

do not get used to see him on Sundays. Congrats to Kip. His daughter got married, you said? Yeah. I dread that day. I was going to say years and not. coming too far. So what do you do?

The green might not show up. I'm talking like... About what part? He went missing. I don't know. What do you do at that point, though? You got a guy sitting on the track. Oh, I mean, the call, like every week you get a bitch about caution.

And I think this guy was kind of being facetious. I know, but like it. I couldn't understand a word he said. So, uh... All right, carry out. I needed some. I felt like I was just listening. I just kept hearing brown low in my head while I was talking.

What was that show, um, where they shoot the alligators? swamp people or whatever that's all I can pick I need subtitles for me I don't think it's swamp people The turtle guy came to a race one time Shoot him Toot him

The turtle man Yeah Yeah that's all I needed subtitles for that one But yeah I'll tell you what I ain't gonna have I ain't gonna go get no turtles And I am definitely not hunting no crocodile Not happening

No No No Show is called swamp people Swamp people yeah That's it Well it's Monday morning I'm heading to work

and just figured I'd message you guys to see what you think will happen on this next overtime restart. Do you think Tyler Reddick can hang on with the two or three cars that are left, or are they going to all junk themselves too? What a fucking joke. Tell you what? Super Speedways and road courses.

One green-white checker. That's it. It's all they need. Still going to wreck. Yeah, still going to wreck. Because if you know it's the last one, you're going to wreck more because you're trying that much harder. Listen, you know, as good as Tyler was yesterday, then restarts.

that wasn't no breeze. No, you can't. You can't get away. And there's no fine line because if you back your entry up, you're getting run over. If you go a little bit too hard, you're going to go out wide and Byron pass him at the one point. He was really relying on the pit box to relay some data to him about what he's doing differently because they're like, you know, your entry point is different under green than it is on these restarts. You know, you're not. But it's so hard to, you know, if you give up a little bit, you're worried about getting run over.

and then what he was going in too hard and washing out to the right and getting past. So, you know, it's just a fine line of how far you can go into one. Yeah, and I, like, I was worried for Tyler because there's no way I would have thought he got through all them restars.

But I will say that the guy behind him was preaching respect, and he was in a perfect position to either ruin what he said or preach what he said. I felt a lot more confident for Tyler when Kyle got to third and kept choosing behind him because

he was going to take care of him. He was not even such, like, Tyler had a little better tires. Kyle had short pit right before that caution came out. So he had about five laps on his tires. So I knew Tyler would have a little better drive off of turn one. So even if he watched Byron out wide a little bit, he was going to get a better run down to the S's than Kyle.

And Kyle, like you said, just preach respect. So he couldn't be the guy. If you go out on TV and talk about, you know, these guys don't respect anybody. Then you're the guy that bombs it in there three wide into one and wipes everybody out. You're going to look like an idiot. I think Kyle raced very good.

I don't think in his mind at all. He was thinking how I'm going to go in there and move this. got to win the race. There was one time that he did move Tyler up into Byron a little bit. And to Tyler's credit, he kind of knew it wasn't to Kyle. He said, what happened? Why did I get hit there? Because I don't think it was the 8.

And it was something, I don't know, it was the 99 and one behind him that kind of bounced off each other and launched him in there. But yeah, to Kyle's credit, he did a good job there. About time we give some love up to Alex Bowman. The man was penalized a hundred points. Penalized. He's already moved into 16. He's within a race of 10 points.

He had 100 points, dropped up his total. and he's leading everyone at S.H.R. X.M. Harvick. What is this? Did they bust out like the prime Jimmy Johnson equipment over there? How is that possible? It's called not wrecking. Yeah. Alex's had just, he was the point leader when he got a hundred point penalty. And he just he's had a solid year of just quiet single digit finishes and that's showing right now. Like that's what you're seeing. I don't know if yesterday was quiet. Well, I mean, not as quiet. But to that to this point though, he finished the Daytona 500. He didn't get wrecked into turn one rack. He hasn't had any, has that ain't a bad lot. I didn't know. So when he was leading the points before the penalties, obviously,

I thought somebody had made a mistake because they're like, oh, Bowman's the point leader. I'm like, no, they mean Byron's the point leader. Because Byron had won two races. And I looked, I'm like, oh, no, they're right. Bowman is the point leader. And he's just been quietly consistent. And that's fine.

There's nothing on with that. His wins are getting ready to come. Oh, that's coming. I think. I think his wins are coming. I think he wins three races this year. That's a fair number. All right.

Well, don't forget to leave us an audio message for next week's show. Just head to anchor.fm slash doorbooker clear. You'll see that message icon. And Andrew will keep picking the best ones each week. It's time for AskDBC. Don't forget to use Ask or hashtag AskTBC on Twitter when you're sending in your questions. This first question is from Daniel Fogarty.

What was the deal with the snake posted on Freddie's Twitter? So that was Bart Dahl's video. Yeah. And that was, I swear to God, when I looked at the video, I thought somebody else sent it to Bart Dahl. I didn't think, I thought that was like a different time or during a race or something. But what it was was during, we were in the second group of qualifying. Barkdall was in the first group of qualifying. So he went back after the first group was over and was walking to his car.

And he said, the gate guy said, no, my car's right. I'm going that way. And the gate guy said, no, you got to go over here. and Barthal said, no, I'm going right over here because my car's over there. And he said, okay, well, there's a giant rattlesnake over there. And Barthor said, okay, I'm going to go that way. So Barthal video, the video that I tweeted.

So it was a rattlesnake. It was a rattlesnake and a gigantic rattlesnake at that. Yeah. And so then I get back to the car and I'm looking at the video and I swear to God that that snake, I walked right over it to get to the stand for qualifying. Yeah. It's literally our path.

It was on. I were like, you know, you park in this little. dirt lot and you have a little bit of a walk to the fence line and there's a gate there and then you were only like car or two down i was yeah it was right next to you yeah like it was directly on my path within it was probably within arm's length of me wow if i would have hold my arms out and walk that that would have covered where that snake was y'all don't have a good experience to playing a big snake she better stay away austin is so weird this thing when uh herm saw it and he he said he went by it and it was all curled up into a ball and said oh i thought it was little like you know

little snake, this dude picks that thing up and it is... It's big. It's not, yeah. I didn't understand the guy just threw it in the back of his truck. I think either that, I think there might have been a bucket back there.

You know, they put him in a bucket. Oh, maybe not. Look to me like he just tossed in the back in the bed of his truck. Would you get in that truck with that snake? No. I mean, I don't want to walk back.

You talk about me paying attention. You should have seen me walk through the grass rest of the weekend. I know. I was crawling. I was crawling through there. We were walking. over the next trip and I got her pretty good

we were just kind of out in front of the cars and he's kind of got his case and I stopped real quick and I'm like oh watch out may he jump I thought like when I saw the video I was like oh that's down that other hill like down towards turn two more then I'm looking at the video I'm like the port of John is directly in front of me

and then like the that's where the snake was like I mean if things can kill you right they got venom right I don't know what kind it was I would assume so is definitely a venom snake. Yeah, it can kill you. Yeah, rattlesnake. Would you let one bite you? No, how much?

I don't know. I had a buddy that let a copperhead bite them twice in the hand one time. Which buddy? Tofer. I ain't surprised. Yeah, I mean, you spent a couple days in intensive care unit. Well, first of all, you can't pin a copperhead underneath your flip-flop in the corner of a step and try to catch it when you can't even see that. You don't think that's a good idea?

No, it didn't work out. It did not work out well. We have a ton of copperheads around here. don't have rattlesnakes really that's i have no but we do have a ton of copperheads dude i saw when i lived out in the land there i every day almost they they would cross the um the asphalt would be warm i think they like to be on it where's the water at out there other than the pond there's a creek yeah yeah oh the creek oh yeah when i lived in is that creek where the campers used to be or the campers on the other side of the creek in them on the hills okay whatever tophra got bit i lived in the house

it was like 100 yards up from the Whisker River right there. And we ended up back there and that's where he became a snake charmer. Snake charmer. All right. Well, on that note, this next one is from Patrick Fortuna. What did you think of Kurt Busch's emotion on the broadcast and what kind of role does he play at 2311 this year? Freddie, I definitely want to know your answer to the second part of this question. But I think, Brett, you mentioned you saw the broadcast.

So, no, I actually saw on Twitter where people were complaining about his bias. And then some people were praising him for basically saying that that was his team and the amount of love he had for that team. He wished he was driving that car. And I guess he became literally tearful. I didn't see that part of it. But, yeah. Yeah, I mean, you could, I listened to it at the end. And listen, it's hard for Kurt.

Kurt's supposed to be driving that car, you know. That was his car. That's his car. It still is his car. Technically, I mean, you know, like, if he wanted to be driving, obviously he's not going to drive now because Tyler's in it, but he could drive the third car. But like Danny, I think reiterated yesterday, like when Kurt's ready to drive or clear to drive, he's got a ride. And he'll be a 2311 for life, I think then he said.

So, you know, and Kurt has been an unbelievable teammate. Like he was the first one to call Bubba when we were in Victory Lane last year at Kansas. You know, he's, he was running right down there to see Tyler this week. He's in a lot of our pre-race meetings. He's in a lot of our, a lot of their, you know, meetings during the week. So he's just an unbelievable teammate. And he's designated himself now the, the ambassador of fun for 2311 racing.

He's had some interesting videos if you see them. He brought, he showed up one day with like, I don't know, 30 or 40 RC big RC cars for all the guys in the shop and launch break there, crashing these things all over to place. So he is now embraced himself as I believe his title is the ambassador of fun, which if you know, Kurt, you know he's, he can, he has the ability to be very fun. And he, but just on the, on the serious side of. it. He has been an unbelievable teammate. He helped Bubba a lot last year, and he's just been there for them guys to rely on a source of information pretty much for Tyler and Bubba

to go to if they need anything. I feel like he does a good job in a booth when I listen to him. I mean, he has very methodical thought processes that he goes through before he delivers to the viewers what he thinks, and I think he does a great job. He does that

in like, you know, I went to a test with him before last season started. I think it was Phoenix. maybe and just the way just his feedback of like the way he dissects every little detail and then our pre-race meetings he'll tell you know he'll tell bubba last year and bubba was bubba and tie last year he'd be like okay guys just so you know when you go green to start the third stage your car is going to be considerably tighter he goes i don't really know why that happens he says but you know that's that's just the way this place trends and you know so don't you know if don't over adjust at that point

because you think the tracks getting away from he's like it's just but like he remembers every little nuance of every race he's been in and and he's just he's just a great leader a great teammate and we're lucky to have him and i don't think that being biased on the broadcast brings anything negative to it whatsoever i think that if i think that if he was on there every week it would be an issue but like if you're a fill-in guy and you're obviously working for 23-11 you know if what are you supposed to you know and especially if that's your car you know i'd like that yeah i saw a lot of people choked you know they were getting choked up with him at the end of the race because he literally was in tier or choked up having trouble speaking as they're coming to check there's so many brothers

that were drivers that have come through the sport and i think and i mean i'm sure statistics are going to back this up but i haven't looked at statistics like the bush brothers are by far the best brother duo they now hold the record for the most wins by brothers i think he passed it they passed it when kyle won that last race right right but in the cup series you know you see guys um like Jeff Bodine, right, who was a really good race car driver, had some success at Hendrick, and then you see Brett Bodine, who was also a good race car driver. I remember him driving the 26 Quaker State car. But like Brett just never won a bunch of races, you know, and you look at even the Waltrop's.

I mean, Darrell won 84 races, and I think Michael won four, you know, like, and Michael certainly had a lot of other ones. He had opportunities to win, but didn't pull it off. You just, you look at the brothers, and it's like, it's rare you see two brothers that are great, and they're both great. All right, well, let's move on to an idiot. What an idiot, man. Where are we going this week, Richmond?

I got a spot this weekend. You know that? You're going back? Yeah, I'm coming back. You're probably. I'll agree with you on that. Yeah, Chandler Smith's making his cup debut. So obviously, he tried to make a date on a 500.

We had some issues there. So Richmond, man, it'll be a fun weekend. I was texting with him a little bit this morning. And I hope he wrecks Brett Kislauski. I mean, there's a good chance he has them locked up into the corner. Because he hits whoever T. Probably. So if I get near you, I'm going to wave and be like, TJ, get the fuck out of my way.

Apparently, Chandler needs to learn how to get into the corners a little bit better. No, I like Richmond, man. A lot of fun's been had in that area for me. Obviously, we've worked for Elliott forever. And Poy, Virginia is about an hour south. We spend a lot of time in Richmond, Norfolk, and Virginia Beach. So I'm looking forward. I guess we'll go up on Friday?

Friday afterno. Yeah, Friday afternoon. We don't do any. There's a modified race Friday. Are you doing it? No. I saw a garage open like four. four o'clock on Friday, so I figured we'd have to go.

I was going to spot for Ryan Flores in the modified race, but somehow he didn't get approved to race, and they let some of the people race that thing that don't get, they don't, they get parked for minimum speed every week. Really? Yeah. How is he not approved to race? Because he hasn't run a half mile modified race, so he can't run a three-quarter mile modified race, I guess.

I don't. Well, he's, I got rules. I mean, if you, there's, ah, I'm not fair. Yeah, I mean, but, I mean, I know exactly. I might be leading to my one day. Who's your one idiot, Freddy? My wooden idiot for this week has to go to, and I'll call the driver out, but it's probably a wooden idiot for the team award. Ty Gibbs and the 54 team because they voluntarily gave up a point in this race.

They were coming to green at lap 15, which was the stage break that we were not stopping for, obviously. And we have the choose rule. And tie was running 10th. and Ty chose 11th on the restart. And we were just literally taking the green and ending the stage. So it was not like he was going to get through turn one any different. So he literally just gave up a point. Now, I don't know if he realized that at the time or the team failed to remind him like,

hey, you're coming to the checker here. But that's, I mean, listen, and it sounds nothing. Like sounds like nothing, a point. But we've seen many battles decided by one point somewhere throughout the year. So I don't think he voluntarily want to give up stage points. I mean, I feel like it's a pretty obvious decision here is the pit road in the pit road stuff. So you just can't, cars aren't weapons. So unless you're going to turn one at a road course.

You think it gets popped? Has to. Yeah. Yeah, there's no doubt. Has to. There's no doubt. And you just can't act like, I mean, if you want to get out, stop beating the cars up. I mean, go talk to the guy.

If you, whatever it goes from there, fine. but don't use your, especially on pit road, man. There's too many people standing around there. There's just not a good area. Everybody I was around all week was brilliant, so I don't have any idiots this week. I know that's a shocker. I'll give you an honorary idiot this week.

Okay. And the only one I noticed it for it because I was over there still is A.J. These guys don't realize they're kicking our ass so bad that we're all still raising behind them. AJ drives up the hill after he takes a checker flag and does this smoky-ass burnout. and now I can't see down the front straightaway because I'm just looking at a cloud of smoke.

And it's true too. I was like, I was like, Chandler come off of 20 and I'm like, I got nothing. I can't see a single thing because I'm just looking

into a cloud of smoke from AJ's burnout. And I'm sure Tyler did the same thing. I'm sure Zane did the same thing. Like these guys come to the top of the hill and it's a cool deal because there's a grandstand right there so it's awesome for the people.

But damn it, boys, we're still racing behind you and we can't see that. And our scaffolding is only two stories high so we're almost eye level with you. I think I complained about that last year. as to what an idiot was whoever had us that low on the racetrack. We do need to be higher.

We need to be the top row of that grandstand over there. Freddie and I got to spend some time with Marcus Smith on Friday night. I'm sorry, Marcus. Saturday night. I'm sorry. Saturday night. This could either go great. No, no.

I thought it was fantastic. Freddy had him for like 45 minutes. So I feel like anything you need to happen. You just let Freddie know and he'll hit Marcus up. I literally love. I could sit there helicopter to North Holbrookesterboro. I just love to talk racing. And, like, I didn't really strike Marcus as the guy that would just love to sit there and talk racing.

And we literally sat there and just hashed out all kind of different topics and appeal stuff. I figured he was going to, he was coming towards me with a plate of food to sit down and eat. And I was like, there's a good chance he hits me with this. Like, I don't remember everything I've said on the podcast or like that. Knocks him right out of a chair. But he sat down and we had a great conversation. I talked to his son Graham, actually, may come on the show. Dude, Graham was a good kid.

Cool dude. We're talking about maybe getting him to come on here and talk. He's got a lot of stuff going on with Legend Car Racing and a lot of trying to bring up some, you know, just draw attention to the youth of the sport and try to build that deal back up. So we're talking to him about maybe coming on. But yeah, I thought it was a great conversation. I think Brett was a little worried. I was, I was, I'm still worried. I don't know what you're talking about.

I'm still worried right now. We got to talk about North Wilkesboro, which is a child was my favorite track. I started going to races at four years old. So, damn, I was a long time ago, almost 40 years ago. But no, we got to talk a lot about North Wilksboro. I talked about the first time I met his dad and his dad's office at Charlotte Bruton. So, no, man, it's always great catching up with industry folks. And Marcus is a smart guy.

You look at what he's done with North Wilkesboro. That takes big cahoonus. You look at the fact that we're at Cota, that's him. I mean, that's him and him and his company. What's next? You look at the fact that they're working on Nashville. Yeah, you'll figure out what's next even after that. You can't.

Rockingham. Are we going back in? We talked a little bit about Texas. We talked a little bit about everything. Softer tires, more horsepower and short tracks, right? Pretty much exactly. what we talked about. But yeah,

know, it was cool. How about the band that played that event? Yeah, the Spankowitz, Sparkowitz. Jesus. What was their name?

The spasmatics. Oh, spasmatics. And there's like three or four of them. There's one in Nashville, one in Vegas, and one in Texas. They were like an 80s cover band. But they all dressed up.

Like, you ever see the movie nerds? Remember the movie nerds? That's how they dressed. They all dressed like that and they act like a bunch of spas. Like they just. One dude legitimately wore a helmet the whole show.

Oger? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Like, they was, it was, and they did a good job. He has absolutely zero idea. No idea. No idea. I think all of these. Even though it directly relates to all of them over there. Yeah.

What you're saying, they're nerds? You call me an ogre? No, there's a guy named Ogre. You're a lot smaller than ogre. I can tell you that. There's a reason why it's called ogre. And he chugs beers out of like punch bowls and stuff. Go home.

Go home, Andrew. Rent nerds. I'll pay for it. We got Richmond, obviously, Bristol, Dirt, which is different. Martins will coming up. What do you think this package is going to race like? now that they've played with the short track stuff.

The same. I think it'll be, I mean, honestly, the last race at Richmond I thought was, it widened out, didn't it? A little bit.

Yeah, which was nice to see. So maybe a little bit further with the package, like they've developed a little bit, maybe it'll come into play a little bit. I don't know. I think,

you know, and it should be better, I would hope, a little bit better. But, well, it ain't going to get worse. Yeah.

That's a fact. They're going in the right direction, for sure. Like the thing we need to eliminate, and we keep talking, we beat a dead, you know, beat a dead horse on here is the shifting. Like,

there's no penalty for not, you know, if you have a bad corn, you just drop a gear and take off. Like, and so, you know, I think Danny was talking about

his podcast. It's like, you know, you've kind of eliminated the mistakes. Because if you do make a mistake, you just downshift and then you, and you keep your momentum. So,

you know, we see that a lot. A lot of times they use the downshift to help turn to. Yeah, turn. We see that a lot of Martinsville. Like a guy will overshoot the corner. You're like, that was your sign. I got him. You know, like, I just got to get off here. And then he just boop and drops a gear. He takes off. You're like, well, shit. They drive. They have so much drive with the rear tires and the grip now. They have so much drive on the exit.

The car, there is no penalty for, they are throttling up so hard. This is a cup car. You're not supposed to be able to just mad it off the corner. Like, you're not supposed to be able to do that. Which is one thing I liked about that I thought I saw the North of Wilkesboro test a little bit was, it looked like they had their hands full. Well, I remember, I don't, I, Marcus didn't, wasn't, wasn't sure, but I saw a tweet of from the truck test that said three seconds of fall off. If there's anything like that in the cup race, I mean, that's going to be a phenomenal race. Three seconds is, that'd be awesome. I was watching a video they had of a, of a busher coming off the corner.

He wasn't, he was like. Yeah. And not until he got straight, which is how it used to be. You couldn't get full-th fodder on a cup car until you were in a straight line. Oh, you'd buzz rare tires off of it. You'd spin them all the way to the flag, and you could hear it. Yeah. So I'm all for.

struggling. These guys say they're fighting for rear grip, but if you compare a car now to go 15 years ago to watch a guy come off the corner in a COT car, those guys struggle for grip. Yeah. You know, so. 345 green flag of Richmond on Sunday. So we, we go to Big House Sunday, Freddie. Okay. Sold. T.J. Go on. 5. Absolutely not. 445. Oh, yeah, you'll be there by 10, right? Yeah. What's your, yeah, I mean, it's a short flight, too. So. Yeah, 45 minutes, max. Yeah, we'll get there.

We can do it. You'll be there around 10. Yeah. All right, well, I can't believe I'm- Speaking of big owls. Oh, uh-oh. They used to have something called a nerd shot. Oh, yeah.

They used to. And what they would do is they would take vodka and soak it in nerds, the candy nerds. I'm assuming y'all know what nerds are. Yeah. So they would- Talk about nerds a lot this week. They would soak the vodka in nerds. And then they would take Casey and rim the top of the glass with crushed nerds.

That actually sounds pretty good. It's pretty good. It doesn't exist anywhere because that could bring me the big house. I think they got rid of it. They got in trouble. We can probably make it for you. Yeah. Apparently you can't make your own liquor and put it back in the bottle.

Allegedly. Allegedly. Allegedly there's state laws against that. What do you mean back in the bottle? Back in the shot. Yeah, but they're mixing it up and then putting it back in. Because you can't free pour from something that's not a bottle. What if you use a different bottle?

I don't know. Bartender Ben might know. Yeah, we'll get bartender. Ben, you just, Ben, you need to make the shots and we'll do them next week. Well, just from my experience going out and about in Charlotte, there's pre-mixed shots everywhere you go in a different container. So they could have just done that. It just doesn't have to be labeled.

I mean, isn't it the same thing that Saeed does? Saeed does. There's probably a lot of questionable shi, Xi, he does. That might explain to Qaeda. outcomes of something. It's been so long to have been to Saeed's.

I know. It's been like three weeks for me. I mean, it's been like 10 years for me probably. But it used to be

very entertaining. Let's go. Let's go. Let's not say we did. We should maybe do volleyball Saeeds and then go to the first.

You know what? Thursday's John's birthday. We just go to Saeed. Thursday is this week? Yeah. My brother John's

turning, I don't know how old is. 36 probably. I like John. John's a really good guy. John's a good guy. I love that John has nothing to do, but scour the internet.

Oh, yeah. For what? Thank you, John. You are not my one-an-a-dient this week. Oh, now you have to do. Absolutely not. That is not going to be like your town you in story. Columbia?

Yeah, that's going to, that will never make it on the show. Promise you that. Brett don't even know we're talking about it. No, but he will. Thank you, John Johnson, Kraft. Let's move on to DBC picks, and I can't believe it, but T.J. and I swapped wins again. What do you think we try winning one of these? T.J. wins Austin with Kyle Busch, finishing second.

Brett was close with Chastain finishing fourth. That's an amazing comeback, by the way, for Ross. That's pretty impressive. Probably deserved to get his... Yeah. But, I mean, good thing. All right, let's move on to Richmond. Picking order starts with Freddie. Thanks for your effort, AJ. solid top 35

I will take Kevin Harvick Oh good call I'll go with Denny Brett William Byron DJ That was my pick

He's on a roll He is on a roll I think I'm gonna go Oh man Should I lay up this week Everyone else is swinging for the fences I know man So I'm just gonna

I'll take Almerola That's probably his best track If I wasn't picking first, that was who I was going to pick. Yeah. That's probably his best try. And he needs a good run. Yeah. I mean, he's, I feel like he'll have a good race there.

So. It's been real. Glad you all waited for me to do the show. I'm glad I got up. I'm not getting up at 3.30 in the morning to do this again. I can tell you all that right now. I promise you. If I'm up at 3.30 in the morning, I'm not waking up. I was up at 3.30 this morning. I was up about 2.30. I was up at 3 30s. Yeah. It ain't fun. Me and Hirsch, who spots for Nile Gibbs, we went to a little bar, and we got them to open a bottle of that. What the hell was a nerd shot?

King Louis to 13th. Yeah, it's a cognac. Oh, gosh. And they had this whole presentation when they served it to us. I saw it looked for like table side. Yeah, it was fancy. I'd love to know what that cost. Well, a bottle of that stuff is like.

I'm changing my wooden idiot. The bottle's like 10 grand. We only got an ounce. Oh. They thought a lot of it. Anyway, I had fun in Austin, Texas, man. Was it more or less than that bread pudding you had to buy in Miami? It was about the same.

I like downtown Austin. It's not bad. Yeah. There's a lot of good stuff to do. It can be great for a block, and then the next block would be kind of sketching. It's kind of weird. Any stories that we should be aware of? No.

No stories. We saw a good band one night. I forget where that was, a blind pig. Oh, yeah, that was fun. Good country band. I love country. music. Yeah.

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