Door Bumper Clear - 285. Richmond & Chandler Smith: Freddie's Too Drunk For This

Episode Date: April 3, 2023

Buckle up y’all, because this show is off the rails. Fresh off of a winning weekend and night out, Door Bumper Clear is back from Richmond as Brett Griffin, T.J. Majors, Freddie Kraft and Casey Boat welcome winning driver Chandler Smith into the studio. The group breaks down Freddie & Chandler’s Xfinity Series victory, discusses the role Kyle Busch has made on young drivers and has a very exciting announcement to share! In Spot On, Spot Off, the guys talk about Hendrick Motorsports’ winning penalty appeal, Daniel Suarez’s penalty after his post race moves at COTA and whether or not Ross Chastain is wrongfully blamed for on-track incidents.The group also hears what Freddie calls “one of the top five calls all-time” in Reaction Theatre, and gets a surprise phone call from a Cup Series driver who has made plenty of headlines as of late. It’s a show nobody will want to miss. Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

We didn't start the show. We've been here for 20 minutes. We've been recording for 15 minutes. What is that? Who's the intro and Chandler? You can. All right. I'm too drunk. All right.

You ready? No. You picked a great episode, Chandler. All right. Guys. Show up like this to the meeting, please, tomorrow. Tomorrow? I'm not showing up to.

I'll be on a call. Yeah, yeah, but be like this on the call. Are you going to the cup one tomorrow? meetings? Come on. Come on. Holy cow. That's like saying Brett's going to do a truck race.

What an idiot. Part time. What an idiot. I'm changing my wood idiot to Chandler's cliff. I think that Brett's going to go to a meeting. Part time. Oh my goodness. All right.

We're going. All right. All right. Go. The following is a production of Dirty Mode Media. Door. Bumper. Clear.

Clear by two. Please really shallow entry. Door. Bumper. Clear. Hey, everybody. I'm TjM Major. Spotter, the Sixth Cup car, the eight Xfinity car, and this is going to be a rough one. Hey guys.

Hey guys. Spotter for colleague racing. I spotted for a guy yesterday named Chandler Smith. Who? Never heard of him. What's up, Freddie Crafts? Spotter for Bubble Wallace. Some other guy named Chandler Smith that might have had a good weekend. And I didn't do it.

Oh, my God, truck racing. We weren't doing the truck race. We didn't do the truck race. Thank God. We'll get to that later. What's up, Casey? Hey, guys. Hey, girl.

Hey, girl. I hate you. Chandler is in the studio today. I was going to say Brett's going to intro in, but I'm a little concerned that we're going to pass it off to Brett. This is the only guy I know that can make Freddie Craft look good. Chandler Smith is in the house. What?

Only guy. I mean. Chandler, I can't wait for you to turn 21 to go to Big House with us on a Sunday night. Yeah, I've seen you tweeted that last night. I looked at my wife. I go, what is big Alas? I have no clue what that is. You're going to explain that to me.

Well, I mean, it's a restaurant. I don't know what you're thinking, but, I mean. I figured it was a restaurant, but, like, what's the setting? It's not really a restaurant. So, if you guys haven't figured that yet, two of the four guys in this room may or may not be sober. We don't know. It's a big letdown when you walk in. But once you hang out with us for two hours, it's amazing.

It's not bad. The food's not bad. They got wings? Yeah. Okay, they're all coming. I'm all for that. Do you like Honey Habanero wings?

I never had it, but I'm open to it. They're good. And first of all, if you ever, the best thing that you can do is avoid these guys on your 21st because...

Oh, I killed Kraus. Yeah, I was going to say, you know, just ask Derek Kraus. Crows came out with us that. He was out there last night. Who did he call? Didn't he call his... He blew a motor on his 21st.

Yeah, but didn't somebody, didn't he get on his phone? He blew a motor in Said's parking lot. So he called somebody or something. I don't remember. I don't remember that. Chandler, have you ever heard of Saeeds? No.

No. Chandler's got a baby. I know. I do. So that keeps them responsible. Dude, you're way ahead of life. You got a great job.

You got a baby at 20? Yeah. I mean, he turned eight months old yesterday. I'm 47 and I act like I'm doing the math here. He could have been created from Saeed. What is this? T.J.

I'm just saying, I mean, he's 20. I mean, say, 03. Oh, 3. 02, oh, oh, 2. Andrew's like cut this out. Andrew better not cut it out this week. The butcher, Andrew Kernan. Hey, we're going to cut.

Hey. Your show. Do whatever you want. So Chandler, you had somewhat of a big weekend. Yeah, it was pretty fun. Having you on this, you still haven't told me your bathroom joke, though, and I'm pretty disappointed in it. Oh, my bathroom joke?

Yeah. You know, I listen to some radioactive of you just to kind of hear more, you know, I had you at the Dools, whatever, right? Yeah. So I wanted to hear more about, you know, you in the Clint days. and I heard a bathroom joke that never got told. Oh, no, that wasn't Clint. That was Elliot Souther at Martinsville when you crashed him.

Yeah, that's when he got a wrecked during a caution and I was peeing. It ain't really a joke. I mean, it was a fact. Oh, did you just key up your mic and you can hear the stream or what? No, worse than that. He wishes it was that. It was way worse. Oh, okay.

He's actually sitting down. You were in a bathroom earlier? I was peeing. I was not doing number three. I was doing number one. What's number? It was under yellow. Number three is big.

Number three is both. Number three is Brack is Louski. Hawaii rolls? Yeah, Hawaii rolls. I still cannot get over the fact that you open a porta potty door or somebody sitting there with hell and I'll take it to a... That is awesome. That's dedication, man. But that's why he lost the race is what I figured out.

I think he just likes to be in the car and didn't want to feel... But Chandler Smith, fucking already won a race. You got to tell him what happened there. I don't remember what happened. Yeah, you still have... I was peeing, TJ. I didn't wreck anybody. Elliot comes on radio.

He goes, hey, are you done spotting today or what? And I was like, man, I'm peeing. And I literally, the way Martyrville's laid out, we can open the door and see the racetrack. Oh, okay. The port-a-potties at. Well, it's not a porter-potties bathroom. And long story short, he had run into the back of Jeremy Mayfield. And that's what happened.

Under green? I feel like there's more of this story. It's not like there's more to this story than that sounds. What I realized is you have to announce when you go pee for the most part. If you do that, you basically. That's like you're covering yourself. Lability release. Yeah, yeah.

That's like your sign. So you do that every caution. Almost, yeah. I'll be right back. Every other. I'll be right back. Who was it? That's what you say?

Who was in the bathroom in Martinsville during the caution? It was somebody's girlfriend. Was it Tony? Oh, man. There's nothing worse than a person is not a spot of meeting in the rest of the Did I get mad? You got real mad.

We have like a little sweet. We have like a little sweet. We have like a little sweet. It's a scoring stand. Yeah, it's not a sweet. It's just like a sweet. The old. scoring stand and like the rule is like don't be in there under yellow because like the guys

may be running off the roof to take a piss and somebody went to the bathroom. Oh yeah. They're like, oh, I'm done eating. Oh, it's yellow. I'm going to go to the bathroom. I mean, it's the worst saying. And Megan said TJ was not happy. I've never really seen you be rude in person.

You usually do it over text messages. I'm a nice guy. I'm never rude. Casey, you look very pretty. day. Oh, I got a mime time. Is this going to be...

All right, well, before the show gets way off the rails, we tweeted yesterday that we had a big announcement. You guys want to cue this up? Or should we... We have a big announcement. We do.

We have a very... You know with that announcement is it. For everyone who has been asking to watch DBC, you are in for a treat because Dirt Vision has a...

answered your prayers. You will now be able to stream DBC on demand for free every week on DirtVision.com and the DirtVision app. That will be available on all popular devices. So Brett, Freddie, get your phones, get your iPads, get whatever we got. My eyes are gone bad, Chandler. I don't know if you knew that. I didn't know that. I didn't want to tell you that before the race. You did a pretty good job yesterday, so I couldn't have known. Thank you. I'm a big world of outlaws fan. Starting next Wednesday, April 12th, you'll be able to catch next week's episode of DBC on DirtVision. You know what, Casey, that's really clever. We're going to come on Dirt Vision the week of the dirt race.

Week after. Who came up with that? Same thing. That wasn't Andrew. I'm excited for Dirt Vision to be streaming our show, Casey. Yep. Free the register and you get access to every upcoming episode of DBC along with thousands of hours of World of Outlaws and other great racing content, all in the DirtVision vault.

I also like to call out that. Wait a minute. She's this is a run on sentence now. We have a, Freddie and I have a deal. Chandler, I wish you were 21. Every time that Casey says the word Millbridge from now to the end of the year, everybody has to take a shot. I wasn't going to say, Milbridge.

She just said it. There, drink. As if I wanted you guys to get any less sober. Guys, I'll be at Millbridge on Wednesday, just the case we're like, guys, Milbridge Wednesday. Guys, Milbridge on Wednesday. Chad, Milbridge. Chad, actually you have to take a shot every time she says, Chad.

I actually don't say his name. Guys, Milbridge rained out, just the case, you know, guys wanted it rained out at Millbridge. I mean, Dirt Vision's obviously awesome, so I'm looking through going to be really cool to be on there. And all as you have to do is register to be able to see us ugly faces on. My face is pretty. We're supposed to promote the show. Our faces are made for... We got a face for radio.

Radio, yeah. Hey, Dirt Vision's free to register and it gains you access to every upcoming episode of DBC along with thousands of hours of world of outlaws and other great dirt racing content in the Dirt Vision vault. DBC listeners new to Dirt Vision get 50% off their first month of Fast Pass using code DBC 23. Yeah, I mean, you can't beat Dirt Vision. You see all kind of racing, all of the world of outlaws, which, whether it's late models, sprint cars, I mean, I think they even cover Millbridge, that you get tons of dirt racing across all forms of dirt racing. And 50% off the first month, like, check it out. Why wouldn't you?

I think it's a boat family affair, too, now that between Chad being on dirt vision with his racing and that we're going to have to talk Chad and run the- Of course with BBC. Thank you guys. We're going to talk Chad and run the extreme outlets. Law series instead of the USAC deal just for TV time. I think we should put like Brett and a midget for the Chili Bowl sponsored by DirtVision. With all the in-car cameras you can put on somebody. You know, I was talking to Dale this weekend.

I think that you all should come out to Millbridge and be the officials. So you guys think that you all know it all on track each week. So how about we make that happen? I'm down. I didn't hear a thing. I don't know at all. Okay. Okay.

All right. Stay tuned for more info, but don't forget, this starts next week. You'll be able to catch next Monday's episode on Wednesday, April 12th. So right after the Dirt Race at Bristol, you'll get to hear and see what we talk about all about. Thanks, Dirt Vision, man. It's going to be a great partnership. I grew up watching Dirt Racing, and I can't wait, man. We appreciate you guys taking us live on the stream.

I don't think I've ever been streamed before. You never been strained before? No. Have you? I don't think so. Guys, we want to keep them going. I'm too drunk for this show. Listen, you need to eat some mints or something because you're getting me drunk.

I can't believe it. So do you think we can get the guy that does the announcing for the outlaws to do like a. Johnny Gibson? You're one of the best. You've got them for a break. You want of the best. You've got DBC for them. Freddie and Brett have.

We do have four breasts. They're extra large. They're not organic. They're steroid fed breasts. Would you call them that one time? Guys, we want them to actually subscribe to DirtVision so they could listen to us on. Chandler, what are your dieting secrets because you're awful skinny? He's 20.

I just have a really high metabolism, bud. Can I borrow some? You can take all of you want because I have to eat way too much. You're over twice as old as him. Don't forget that. At 20, you didn't give a damn what you ate. No. I know.

Well, guys, we know how Richman was for Chandler over here, but how about the cup race? Kyle Larson finally gets his win for 2023. Oh, did I win? Six. Oh, no. Is that what we did last night we celebrated your win? Yeah, why not?

Chandler, why didn't you come to the win party? Was it invited? I don't know if you can get in Big O's yet. Not yet. So Chandler turns 21 to Monday. after Nashville. Freddie, you got any good ideas?

Yeah, we'll stay in Nashville. Smashville. You know what? The rooms are like 400 bucks that weekend. Really? No, I got a deal.

Chandler, I'll pay for your room. Okay. I mean, I'm sure he just got a bonus. Chandler? No. No win bonus?

Did you get a bonus? Maybe. Oh, he didn't say no. Does it enough to pay for a room? I don't know. I'm a cheap one. How about my room? I'm a cheap wife.

I'm a cheap white. I'm going to tell you what. You can't be a cheap skate around me and Freddie. That ain't. cheap quad, dude. I'm so cheap. Why? Look at the shoes I'm wearing. Have you ever heard of this brand? There is no brand. Exactly. That's my point.

It's the blank brand. All right, Chandler, take us through the Xfinity Series race, getting your first Xfinity Series win. What was it like? Tell us all about Freddie on the radio. What you got for? I did a good job. Freddie did a good job. The only time I ever got upset with Freddie was when I asked, yeah, you know where I'm going with us all right? I asked where I was getting beat at, and he told me in probably about a two-paragraph sentence, and I said, yeah, you just got to be a little more brief.

Just be a little more brief. He said, he said, where am I going to beat at? I said, all right. So I told him every inch of the raceback. He said, less detail. I said, all right, I'll give you less detail next time. I thought you could say something else. No, no, no, you didn't really good job, honestly.

I thought you were going to say when you asked me about why that guy ran in the bag of you. Yeah, I thought it, so I didn't know it was y'all actually. actually in the moment. I did not know it was y'all. I thought it was the guy behind me the 26 and I was like how in the hell did he even make it to my bumper to hit me? Hey I'll give cass really good really credit though because cash have a great race. He did I was I called Allen after the race told him like dude that that that's impressive like you guys got to go on us. We saw cass last night we made cass do a shot with us with sugar in it. He's like a health minute. Really? Yeah. But no it was good Casey. It was good we were we were good enough just good enough to be on the offense all day. You guys were better than us

on the long run, obviously, but it came down to a short run there and played in our favor. Yeah, the short run, it shouldn't even have, like, I do have a question about this. Like, we get the caution for a car on pit road. I thought it was a great caution. I bet you did. I don't think John Hemp agreed with him. So my question is, when it's a closed, like a pit road that has walls and everything, and what's the difference between, I mean, I would send guys out to get that at that.

So where I think they, and listen, especially since he missed like three turning. Probably not. Did I love the caution? But yeah, we're not talking about that. But there's a rule that you can't push a car more than three pit boxes. There's a rule in the rule book that you cannot push a car on pit road more than three pit boxes. So that's where they, he was, I don't know, he was probably five or six away from his pit stall. Yeah, he was pretty close to the one behind him, though.

No, the couple. I'm saying it's a his. Yeah, I think behind the wall should count too. It should probably. I'm glad it didn't. I don't know how your car shuts off in three or whatever, a battery, it goes dead, and you go past the entrance to pit road. You coasts the whole way around. You go by the interest in turn three where the safety trucks come out.

You come down pit road. You drive straight by the interest of the cup garage, and then you stop. I preach, Jeremy, I will buy you a beer the next time I see you. Who's Jeremy? Clevents. Oh, he's got to get his car started. Yeah. He tried.

He tried so hard, though, honestly. If it died on the back, he passed. I didn't know them. Oh, yeah. That's impressive. They shut off in three and then he coasted the whole way. He coasted around and got halfway down the road. That's impressive.

And I was clapping the whole time. Here's what I've been impressed about Chandler is there are places where colleague cars are known to be good, right? Plate races, road courses. There are places where we've been known to struggle, right? And Vegas is a hard racetrack, Phoenix hard racetrack. you've led 204 laps this year. Obviously, one win in 10 starts, which is freaking impressive. Should be two.

It should be three, potentially, Phoenix. Kyle Bush, if he didn't race him like a butthole, could have potentially won there too. I still yet to hear from him. Kyle used to be your boss. Yeah, Kyle used to be your boss, right? Yeah, he used to be my boss. He's the one that taught me all this, like,

how I raised him and all is exactly how he told me to race at KVM. So anyways, I ain't going down this road. No, yeah. Oh, no, no, no, no. We're going down the road. I'm still... What do you mean he taught you how to race? Well, I struggled in the truck series in 2020 COVID year.

Yeah, 2020 was COVID year, right? Yeah. So 2019 had four races. We're really solid. 2020. First mile and a half experience was Kentucky. I got chewed up, spit out. Absolutely horrible.

First time dealing with aero situation. And it was rough, like really rough. So I had a really big learning curve trying to figure out like why, why when somebody was on my door at times, I wasn't getting loose, but other times I were. if they were on my door the same distance. So, like, he explained to me the whole, like, if people are making forward progression on you and whatnot, they can suck your route. But if you go into the corner with forward progression, they can't suck you around. You'll have the side force. You'll be good. So, like, it took me a long time to learn the arrow side of racing. Once I learned the arrow side of

truck racing and figured that out is when business really picked up for me. But truck racing, that is literally all it is is arrow racing. Like, if you can learn when I beat Kyle at Vegas, I arrow block the crap out of them going into one. He had a huge. run down the front straightaway. Went into one. My spotter, Chris Lambert, told me he was coming that I had to get up. All I did was I barely took a little wheel angle out of the steering wheel. It's floated right up into him, and he lost the nose, and we won. So figuring that out in truck racing was really big. But back to my point, he taught me these things. He taught me the whole arrow side. And like, this is what you got to do. Like, you got to know that if you're sitting on somebody's door that

you, if you get wrecked, you can't be mad at the guy. Like, you can't be mad if Kyle, I can't be mad at Kyle Busch for wrecking me at Phoenix. And I wasn't. Like, I wasn't. Like, I was not mad at him at all for wrecking me of Phoenix. I was upset with him because if the shoe was on the other foot and I was in second and at the time Kyle was in third and he was fashioning to me, he would have been really pissed if I didn't let him go because at that time I was better than the 18, say me, the 18 at that time. He would have been mad, right? Because I didn't let him go. So I was more pissed off at that point than being wrecked. Being right. Like, it is what it is. I didn't go into the corner trying to sit on his door. I went in just like I did all day,

running the top, you don't enter on the fence of Phoenix in tournament. Like, you don't do that. You do a diamond. Everybody was running the same line. So when I went back, the 98 had a visor cam. I went back and watched his visor cam. He had a perfect view of it. He didn't, like from that view, it didn't look like he was trying to even run the bottom. He was trying to run, he was just trying to take my lane away right off the bat, which is fine. We were racing hard. That's fine. I'm just more upset at the fact we haven't even talked. I've reached out to him three times, tried to talk to him. Like, I want to get over it. He's a grown man, two-time champion. Let's be grown-man about it. Let's talk about it. Get over it. And let's keep he. So he won't respond.

Collie Grayson hired him to make our program better, right? Yeah. Let's keep doing that. Let's not have anything hindering it. Let's combine efforts to try to make it better. I haven't seen a lot of guys make Kyle Busch run out of talent. Did you hear that out of when I beat Kyle. We beat him every time we race them. There you go. I love Kyle to death. I do. I mean, that's a big statement to say you beat Kyle Busch every time. I love Kyle to death. Like he is. taught me a lot of who I am today. Like he has taught me a lot. I was at KBM for a really long time. I love him to death. He's one of the best race car drivers ever live. Yeah, like, I mean, no disrespect

when I say this. Like, I just wish we would have talked. And still, to this day, I want to talk to him about it. I want to talk about it so we can get over it and move on. He's busy throwing hell marries at Ross. He's talking a lot of hell marries at Ross. I mean, he did at me too. That interview about the whole disrespect and all that and that there was a truck driver all, he was referring to me and he mentioned yeah i mean he was referring to me in that interview he was because i was the truck driver that was with him for i don't know how two years he said or whatever yeah um and he said how did that transition take place obviously i don't know if there's bad blood now or it seems like it but everybody left toyota there's good blood there's chelvelet blood

they're bowtie blood now toy or not toy cario kyle had some influence on me coming to collie i had conversations with him and my options that i had leading up to this year and what he thought I leaned on Kyle a lot. Like, me and him talked a lot last year. We always have been pretty tight to an extent. I leaned on him and asked him like, if you were in my position, you know, with a wife and a kid, I'm young, I'm 20 years old. Like, if these are your options, what is Kyle Busch going to do and why?

Tell me why. And he mentioned Collie Grayson. And the main reason was, you know, this team is not going to go anywhere for a really long time. You got Matt Colleg as a team owner, got a cup team that's building. I ran the cup car this Sunday. We're not that bad. Like we're really, really new. We don't have that many.

We're not, we're, we don't have that many resources. We don't have the same resources as RCR and we drove up to them at the end of the race. So like, we're doing good things. We just got to keep working on it. Like Brett just said, two years old. So he told me all this and told me to keep that in consideration. I mean, there was talks that Kyle was going to colleague. So, um, he was a pretty big influence why I even came over to Collie Grayson in general.

But I, it still just bothers me because I, know how good a relationship even after after Vegas I mean he came up to me after Vegas like dude good job like we ran the same stuff today and you outran me like props to you like that's awesome to hear like any like that's that's good to hear like the respect that we had it was like it was all just thrown out the window because of that one incident and we we didn't even talk it over didn't get each other side of it didn't say all right let's agree to disagree and move on and keep trying to build this organization up like that's that was the that's the reason he got hired yeah well dude you're um I mean it's pretty cool

to have a guy like Kyle be a mentor early in your career. I mean, obviously, I mean, we've seen a lot of talented guys come through here that don't help other people, and I'm not going to call anybody out for that, but we've also seen guys like Mark Martin, Kurt Busch, Kyle Busch be able to help guys like you, man, and to be 20 and to be in a position you're in, it's got to be, I mean, dude, you're literally living a 20 years old, driving a race car for a living, way ahead of life, right? Way ahead of where Freddie was at 20 years old. Where were you at 20 years old? Where were you at 20 years old? Saeeds?

Not good. I was bar-tained. I'm not good. You're not good to date. I'm not good to right now. But I was 20 years old was a long year for Freddie. How old are you, Freddie? 40.

How do you feel? 60. I turned 40. Everybody said, you feel 40? I said, no, I feel 60, but I act 20, so I'm back to 40 again. I mean, if you average that, you're good. We just need to get TJ to big others. one Sunday night.

I mean, you know what? Actually, I actually considered it last night, but I'm glad, I'm sure glad I didn't I tell you what I considered. I considered getting on the airplane. That's what I saw you over there. I saw TJ walking his airplane. Not my airplane. And I saw me, well, essentially, it says TJ majors.com on it.

And I was like, man, TJ's going to his jet. And I'm going to this other jet. Oh, you, he did that little wave like. Oh, was it Kins? No, I went with that. No, he was on Brad's jet. Brett's walking over the door and he's like, I was flipping them off.

I was like, you a hick hole. Okay, you both flew private. Let's not get ahead of ourselves here. Well, let's talk about that. Hang on a second. Yeah, let's get. That's just where I was going. What happened?

How was your flight home last? My flight home was fine when it finally took off. Yeah, it took forever for our flight to take off. Well, they couldn't find an airport. I mean, it's hard. I mean, I don't know. But TJ, I was jealous. I knew TJ would beat me home by an hour.

When I was driving home, like, damn, my baby breast not going to be home for like another hour. No, you landed before I took off. That's what I was. That's why I want. Which is fine. Anyway. All right. Casey, we probably didn't get this show moving. Channel's got an appointment.

I mean, I don't blame him. I do. All right. You got a meeting. You're supposed to go to go to the next. Oh, shoot. Maybe I do. Actually, now I'm thinking about it. All right.

Let's move in the spot on, spot off. Spot on, spot off. Spot off. Spot off. Spot off. It was super fun yesterday to ride around there. I am spot off. Damn. Where did he come from? First topic. The National Mother Sports Appeals panel rules to amend the L2 penalty issued to the 5-9, 24, and 48 of Hendrick Mother Sports.

The appeal now results in no loss of championship and playoff team owner and driver points. So basically, they got fined $400,000. They lost 400 points and they got their points back. And the crew cheese was just... So they essentially admitted that there was... They did something wrong is what I took from it, right? They broke the rules. TJ, you should have very strong opinion about this for the first time of your life.

I mean, I think his like... I think my opinion is the same opinion as the general... Everybody. Everybody. Yeah. Like, I don't understand... That makes two of us. I don't...

Like, yes, you guys broke the rules. But here are all you. your points back, which the points are the only thing that matters to Hendrick at this point. Like, money. Did William Byron get his 10 bonus points back? Yes. Yeah. All the points got back.

So they essentially admitted that they were wrong. They just didn't feel like they should have been penalized point twice, is the way I took it. And NASCAR had a great statement, too. So is this like if I get caught stealing and I get arrested and they take me to jail and they find me $1,000 and they take the property. that I stole. And then they give me the stolen property back and say, we're going to keep the money, but you can keep the stolen property. You're still on probation for a month. This is confusing to, to, to, it has to be confusing, T.J. Right. I mean, I, I don't understand.

If you're, it's, I thought it was black and white. Like, you're the right or you're wrong. Either you did or you didn't do it. And if you mess with the parts, this is the penalty. Now it's like, but, but is the case here, here's where we struggle because we don't know what was said in the appeal. but we know what Chad Canow said before the appeal, which was the parts are junk, and we had to modify them to get the hood to close. So is this, that's what he said, Chandler, I'm not making it up, right?

So is this the case of the appeals committee saying the parts are bad, and they had to fix the parts? Here's the bigger problem. I'm telling you right now, if colleague racing, and obviously I'm biased, if they lose this f***ing appeal this week

and they don't get their points back, I am going to lose. But listen, listen to me. Listen, I'm listening. They have to have the same case that Hendrick Motorsports had. Well, I hope they have somebody's phone. Like Hendrick Motorsports came out. When they got fined and suspended, they came out and said, we have documents that support our appeal.

If Collie Racing doesn't have those documents, they're in trouble. There's no way in hell that a team would cheat up one Louvre or not. not the other. I one million percent agree with you. But if they don't have the same case to present, here's the bigger problem. They won't even have the same appeals committee. So where's the consistency? Well, let's, I mean, the appeals. I didn't open a can of worms. They did. I'm not the one who makes their rules. The appeals committee is a whole other day. Who is the one? And I realize that there's a hierarchy of people, right? But you got Jim France, Lisa Kennedy, Steve Phelps, Steve O'Donnell, Brad Moran.

Moran. Moran, my saying that right? Like, you have all these people. Who is the guy that says, this is what they did wrong, this is the penalty? And then how is he, how is that person right when the appeals committee says that person's wrong?

One thing I think we need to remember. What do we remember? And it's, I've seen this a lot on Twitter. NASCAR is not the appeals committee. Like NASCAR wants these penalties upheld because that's how they govern the sport. and like I see a lot of people like, oh,

just NASCAR's favoring Hendrick. And I'm like, well, it ain't NASCAR. Like somebody may be favoring Hendrick, but it's not NASCAR. But how does it do with that? I don't even understand how people get on it.

How is, how is those three people? How do they get on that pills to me? You mean, Bill Lester, a truck driver from when was, I mean, I guess he ran a truck race a couple of years.

He was a good road racer. But he wasn't a good NASCAR driver. It was Bill Lester. It was somebody that sells trailers. I think is a hauler, salesman and a brand manager. We're the marketing executive.

were the three appeals people. But who decides that's the appeals committee? It has to be NASCAR, right? Yeah, but who, who, how do you even get on the list? You don't go through a phone book and circle names. I know, like, I know, like, so I'm from Riverhead, like, my whole track is Riverhead Raceway, Riverhead's one of the oldest short tracks in the country. The owners of Riverhead at the time were on the appeals panel.

Like, like, I don't know how you get on there, but. Who decides there even an appeals committee? You're all confusing me. Like you say NASCAR, that's not. Your head hurts like it's bad. I'm not even drunk. Where is that Atlanta? Where you're like, ready, my brain hurts.

Yes. But you say like NASCAR makes the penalty. But then who decides that there even is an appeals process? Well, that's NASCAR. Who decides there's a committee? That's NASCAR. Who decides who's eligible to be on the committee? NASCAR.

So don't give me the bullshit. NASCAR ain't in the middle of this. Well, they're not. They're not in the middle of the appeals process, but they decide the process exists. They put these people in place, but they still don't want the penalty to be rescinded. Right. They want to make sure that there's fairness. So they made a penalty.

It looks like it. But that was NASCAR's goal to make sure that if people don't agree with NASCAR's decision, that there are other people that can support that. I think Jordan. I think Hendrick wins more appeals than anybody else. That's, that's, so let me ask you this. I think Jordan, Bianchi tweeted about like the overall morale with teams and like Jordan had an article about he, he gave this, he gave crew chiefs anonymity.

And he talked to, I think it was nine crew chiefs. And they're essentially saying this is going to turn into a show. Like, how's it not? Because now, because now you, like, how do you get a penalty again? The only thing that matters. of these teams is points. Like the crew chiefs, hold God, I guess we'll block a week

about 20 minutes off to go to the hauler next week. The crew chiefs. I'm not going to Bristol. The crew chiefs being suspended. Please don't include me. It is a joke. TJ, take your headset off. Does they get me out of it?

The crew chiefs. This is what got us in trouble, Fred. Okay, I don't care. The crew chief being suspended is a joke because they're still calling the race from wherever they are. From the infield. Somebody even said this week.

Do you think the Hendrick crew chiefs were on the infield? This week, yes. Well, maybe not at Bristol, but they were in a motorhome only in the motorhome lot. I would assume they were there. Yes. On property. Agreed. Somewhere.

If they weren't, they were in the war room still calling the race from wherever the hell they are. Yeah. So that penalty is a joke. And then you get $400,000 across four teams. Rick don't care about that. When you lose 400 points across four teams, that matters. Alex went from like mid-teens and points to the point leader. Like that's a big penalty.

The only penalty that hurt them was what they got back. And I don't, I don't. And now like what's to say like listen, I want, I love calling racing. I've been there forever. I like I almost hope that they lose their appeal just to see the world, just to see the world burn on Wednesday. If I'm telling you, if they lose an appeal, I'm going to burn. I'm going to lose my.

You're the world burn because I think they're the only ones. I have a lot of friends of collard racing, and I know, T.J, you might roll your eyes at this. I know we do not have the equipment to modify the louver in our shop. I agree with that. So how the fuck did my louver get it? I mean, dude, I tell you, if we lose this appeal, I am going to lose my mind. My blood pressure is going up just thinking when you have one and not the other, do you realize it's the problem? We legitimately can't modify the louver.

This sounds bad. I don't even think we have the resources to know if that's even a gain to modify it. So essentially Matt should just clip this part of the show. Again, we're two years old as a cup team. We're two years old as a cup team, right? We're growing. We're trying to do things the right way. There's no way that we intentionally or unintentionally modified a louver.

We talked about this last week or the week before. Hendrick had four cars, eight louvers, and they all got yank. clearly modified roughly 72 louvers Shack andhouse said they modified them because the hood wasn't close they admitted to modifying the things and colleague had one of the two

on one of their car like if you were cheating like if you were cheating all four of colleagues louvers would have been cheated up the two on Justin's car the two on AJ's here's what we've learned the appeals committee doesn't have Twitter because if they did oh they do I go for a fact

that Bill Lester does tweet people back. I did see that. Never mind. All right. Well, let's move on to another penalty that was put into place this week. NASCAR finds Daniel Swarres $50,000 for a post race incident at Koda. Spot on, spot off, Freddie. Spot on. I was actually spot on. I've seen a lot of people try to compare it to the Ty Gibbs deal. And I kind of compared to that deal last year on here. But I forgot the Ty was kind of early under the double secret probation,

and I don't think it was secret, but he had already had an incident on Pitt Road before that, and he got, the second time was 75,000 and 25,000 and 25 points, I think it was. So, listen, he had to get, he had to get a penalty, like had to get a penalty. Should it have been stiffer, probably considering the danger you put that one official in. I don't care. Everybody's all these people on pit road. I don't care about all the people on pit road. There was one official that was in harm's way when he was running into the back of Bowman.

And if you put one person at risk, that's not acceptable. So I would have liked this scene a bit a little stiffer, but they had to do something. Chandler, what do you think? Yeah, definitely spot on. You know, I feel like I've came a long way on trying to keep my temper down and moments and whatnot like that. But you're in a sport where passion gets high and pride gets really. high and once that second thing I just said pride gets high results and you know 50,000 fines, $75,000 fines and short track racing. I come from, you know, you have a problem with

the guy, you get out and you go fight them. You can't do that NASCAR. It's pretty hefty. You're talking. You're going to fight? I'm all for it. He's done it before. I'm all for it, bud. I've seen him do it. I'm all for it. What year was that they pulled Ben Rhodes off your neck? Ben Rhodes had never touched me. That would actually be a pretty good. You and Ben Rhodes. Yeah, I think I, are you talking about Darlington that one year? No, I think it was Texas. Oh, no, no, no.

That was between him and Christian. I did. Oh, maybe it was. Well, this was two years ago. This is two years, so I think it's good to say that. Well, you did kind of wreck band. I don't know if I'm at liberty to say if I did or didn't. My throttle felt a little sticky, though.

Don't admit to shit. I did. I didn't. I just said my throttle was sticky, though. You just said you're a cheap skate. Don't admit to nothing. Okay. Copy.

TJ, spot on, spot on. I am. I'm kind of spot off because I don't think it's enough. I don't like, a year from now, if he gets mad again, I don't know 50 grand is enough to, like, to. I agree with that. You know what I mean? Like a cup driver's been, you know, in the couple years, he's going to.

If he had to pay it. I'm going to tell you. I don't know who pays this fine. If he had to pay it, 50,000 is still a lot of money. Do you think he paid this fine or do you think the company pays the fine? How much do you think he's going to make in a year? Here's what I know about fines. If you don't pay it, you.

you're not allowed to show up. But I'm saying who do you think paid it? I think he paid it. You do? I would think he paid it. And I can tell you that $50,000 in 2007 with what these drivers were making was not a lot of money. There's a lot of drivers right now in the Cup Series that $50,000 is an incredible amount of money. And I think, again, if we're talking about things that matter, right, Daniel Suarez is great for the support.

He's funny. He's scrappy. He's a good racer, right? He's become a good racer. His girlfriend's luggage fell out of the airplane on my head this past week. Oh, my gosh. Hopefully on purpose. Hopefully on purpose.

No, we were on the same plane. But I think that if you're going to hit him, $50,000 ain't the answer. The answer is points. And why does Ty Gibbs get 25 points? and Daniel does not. Well, Freddie's like, well, he was already under double top secret probation. I don't care. Once you enter pit road, and I say this with a driver sitting beside me,

once you enter pit road and the race is over, if you decide to hit another guy's car, you should be hammered. Do you want to use your car as a weapon? You should be hammered. Yeah, that's unacceptable. And I know you lose your temper, right? I mean, we all lose our temper. We love our jobs.

We're passionate about our jobs. But you cannot put a human that is, literally standing 10, 12 feet from where you're deciding to do this. And I don't think this penalty was enough. And I'm not talking about the money. I'm talking about the points. Like, just lose the monetary side of it. Just start taking points from everybody.

Like, because that's the only thing that's going to get your attention. Like I just said, Hendrick don't care about the $400,000 fine. They don't care about the crew chiefs not being there because they're still there. but when you take 100 points away, they got back the only part of that penalty that they were worried about. Here's a prime example. And Chandler, you don't know Chris Rice as well as I know Chris Rice.

But if you get fined $10,000 this week, does Chris Rice care? Probably not as much as he would. If they take away 50 points, does Chris Rice call you? He's going to be pretty pissed. Yeah. I'm going to be pretty pissed. 50 points is a lot.

That's a lot. That's a race. That could be months worth of getting back to the position you were before. We got, we won a stage. We finished, what, fourth in the second stage and won the race. We got 57 points this week. So you take 50 points away. That's, that whole race.

And people hear 50 points and they go, oh, it ain't a big deal. Listen, if you win the championship regular season, you get big bonus points. If you finish third, you get big bonus points. If you don't finish in the top 10, you get no bonus points. What do you think the money difference was from taking, you know, if you were to add up all the money of those drivers were making after the penalty, If that was their points position, they leaped back up. That's what I'm saying about Justin Haley. I said, don't hear it two weeks ago with Justin Haley's penalty.

It's not a $100,000 fine. If they don't, if they keep that 100 point penalty in place, it's going to cost him hundreds of thousands more dollars because he's going to be 33rd in points versus 20-ish in points. Is Justin back into positive yet? Yeah, I think so. I think you should be positive. That was the thing, yeah.

So last week after this penalty was announced, Denny tweeted, that he went on a podcast and apparently broke three rules, 24 hours later got a $50,000 and $25.5.5. Now, do you guys feel that, you know, his penalty obviously? Could you imagine if we get through this whole process and Denny's the only one that loses points? Unbelievable. Casey, no driver to my knowledge has ever lost points for wrecking somebody.

So what makes Denny the fall guy for losing points? Because he publicly announced it. No, no, no, no, no. It's because he has a podcast and because he has a platform and because why you spit your drink out? I'm going to take my headset off again. Why in the is Danny Hamlin the only guy to lose points for wrecking somebody? I agree. Okay, awkward silence.

No, there's nothing to debate about it. I don't think, I think Denny Hamlin walks into this penalty to the appeals committee. God knows what three people are sitting in a room because we don't know how to hell you get in there but I think he walks in there and he goes this is unprecedented and they all look at each other and go you know what it is unprecedented and then those three people decide

whether or not they let an unprecedented fine stand I think I don't know like I think NASCAR screwed up Danny's penalty because all they had to say was this guy admitted a wrecking somebody on a podcast if they would have said that I don't think Danny has a leg to stand on but then they went into

he manipulated the race and he did this and that. Like, okay. T.J. Sam. Ross. Like, I mean, we talked about last week, Ross manipulates the race. Like, literally, everybody, like, you're trying to manipulate.

Everybody on the racetrack is trying to manipulate the race in their favor. Every week. Like, so. I've never seen Carson Hose-Lar do that. All right. I mean, damn. Let's move on to a new topic.

Hold on. Hold on. Shout out. Carlson Hosevar, I appreciate him. He apparently mentioned DBC in his victory lane interview. So if you're listening to that, he said listen to DBC this week. On his MRN interview, he said that I'm sure the guys on DBC are going to bash me this week.

We don't have, I mean, I'm going to bash this. Like, let's, is the truck race in the show show show show at all? We're going to move into that right now. Okay, don't worry. Spot on, spot off. Carson Hosevar said after his win, I didn't mean to get into him.

I just meant to give him a push, and he got sideways the second I hit him. I apologize to them. I'll take the fall for it. Nick Sanchez deserved the win for sure. This was in response to contact on the final lap of the truck race, which led to capturing his first win. And yes, Chandler, spot on, spot off.

Yeah, I'm going to have to say spot off. I don't have a good relationship with Carson. I've been on the other side of the fence there. Looking back at the replay, though, and TJ's probably going to laugh at what I'm about to say here. I don't know, man. Looking back at the replay, truck racing at Texas, you get a huge suckup down the front straightaway. He's seen he had a ginormous run.

Them two were sucking each other back stalling each other out, right? All right. I don't think you can say that. Yeah, whatever, right? But like, he straight up dumped him. I don't know what to tell you. He wasn't lifting. I can tell you that much.

He dumped him. No, probably. Who's in front of me? So here's what I would have done in that situation. So I would have lifted probably to about 80% throttle. because you still are going to keep on with your run and now would have timed it to when they got out of the dog leg you pulled out.

You pulled out a line, you got both of them. Easy. Instead, you just shipped both of them and... Still won. You still won, but... That's the problem is now it's okay, because now they think that moves okay. That moves not okay.

There's a lot of... Do you think that guy, Chandler, do you think that guy was wrecking if he doesn't hit him? I think he had saved. I think it'd have been all right. I think he had... Yeah, he had it saved. He'd had a save.

That guy's got incredible car control. I don't think he would have been closed. If he didn't spin when he hung a left off the door when there wasn't no side. He didn't have any side force there. If he didn't spin from that, he's probably okay. Nick Sanchez has got incredible car control. I've seen it last year in ARCA. He was at, I think, Kansas maybe.

But he was sideways from lap one to the end of the race. I was like, how in the world is this guy driving this car right now? Like, he's got an incredible, incredible car control. I think he would have saved it for sure. Would he have won? I don't, none of us really know because of how big that run the 42 had. And Texas is. With momentum, though, the 38 had a good shot still on the high side.

For sure. So we don't know. Yeah, Carson's 0 for 58 or 59 going into that race. He's had some fast trucks. Like, we've seen him have an opportunity to be fast and win. And I burnt this guy down last year on the podcast for doing two things, intentionally causing yellows, which guess what that does? It manipulates the race.

and intentionally right rearing people. That was bad. That was right in front of me at IRP. I do not have patience for anybody, right rearing anybody. That's the equivalent to sucker punching a guy in a bar. If you want to fight, get in a fight. But I'll give him credit that, A, he won the race. Congratulations.

And B, he manned up in Victory Lane and said, I wreck Nick Sanchez. And we say on here it all the time, when it all costs. Well, he did it. So I think Carson could be great for the sport if he would quit racing like a little B. Jesus. Yeah. Everything was going so good.

I do. I know. I think he has speed. So well, guys. I think he has speed. I think he's talented. And I think he loses his mind. And I don't know who spots for him.

Who spots for him? Normally? Yeah. Tyler. Tyler, who? Green. Well, Tyler Green needs to get a pair of balls and tell this guy to calm the I will say, I think that this has happened more than once where people have caused another wreck and gotten the win.

And this is, I mean, I know. I just spot it. him. Carson has a party on his back right now from past instances, but he did a great fucking. Oh my God. You cannot right rear people and attention. And he does it in late models.

He does it in everything. I think if like, I agree with you. If he cuts that other stuff out, it's his first win. He saw an opportunity to get a win and he was probably. Anybody will. And there are so many people. I don't know. I'd say mid-20s.

He's old enough not act like a little. But there are so many other drivers that do the same. thing and you haven't called them out. He drove a great race. I'm pretty sure if you act like a little I'll call you out. Carson drove a great race to even be in that position. What did you think?

What did you think? I didn't like the fact that he drove through him, but I understand that he sees his first win and his sights right there and a shot at it. If he goes back, does he try to do something different? Probably, but hopefully he learns from this and can put some solid races together. I'm glad Carson Hustle 1 because I think he is capable, talent-wise, of winning races.

I think also, and Robert Yates said this to a driver that I was working with back in the day at an airport. Once you get your first win, that's the hardest win to get. Once you get that first win, more wins come. That's why I think he was a little more desperate and aggressive for that win. I don't blame it. I do think. But stop the chicken shit moves. He didn't have the fastest truck yesterday or Saturday when it was happening either.

I mean, he did a good job to be even, I mean, he had a fast truck, but not. He said we were going to talk crap about him on DBC, so I don't want to let him down. But I do want to give him credit for winning the race. Yeah, he did a good job. I mean, it's always cool to win your first point. And he was in that position together. For me, there's a lot to unpack about this truck race. Let's hear it.

For one, for one, Taylor just sits back like, oh, God. Speak to me, Fred. For one. Hi, this is T.J. This is Freddy's truck race. Reap. I don't think we need to be a mile and a half with the truck series.

Ever? What an idiot. Let me ask you this. What did you learn truck racing that you could apply to a mile and a half in the Xfinity car? Do you want the honest truth? Yes. How to be an ass-a-haping car when we go to Vegas? Yeah, that's it.

Honest truth. Like, because you have to side draft the hell out of everybody. You have to race like a complete tool. Race like an ass-a-ass-a-call it as a tool in the Xfinity. series, but unfortunately, I mean, that's the way since I've been a part of for three years. I think, I think you take the truck series, for one, back to where it came from, which was short tracks. You want to go to Daytona, you want to go to Charlotte's Coke 600 weekend. Great. But it doesn't belong on a mile and a halfs. What it also doesn't belong on mile and a halfs is when we can't be there. Like one thing you saw,

we is in who? We is in the primary spotters for those trucks. So you're saying the spotters suck. I am saying if you watch the race. races. If you watch that race this week, it was pretty noticeable that it wasn't the primary guy spotting. And this isn't a knock. It isn't a knock. I don't know. And then there's guys like my guy finished 11th piling in after that. Yeah. I might not even come. They might not invite me back. Did he? Did he wreck the 17? I heard he wrecked the 17. I don't. I didn't see it. I don't know. Oh, I didn't see it. I didn't see it. Spock for Chris Wright. Oh. So. I think. I think. I mean, Chris did a good job.

Listen, if you, I just think that we don't need to be a mile and a half of the trucks all the time. Like, let's take that better. There's so many good short tracks in this country, whether it's Stafford Motor Speedway or Pensacola, or any short track you can think of that's about a half mile. How many short tracks do you think they drove by to get a Texas Motor Speedway? Oh, my God. Thousands of them. Like, thousands.

Thousands. Definitely some noticeable ones. I mean. But I'm just saying, like, The truck series, for one, you put on a better race when you're at a short track. Mile and a half, am I right or wrong? You're wide open. You're not learning anything.

He's Freddie right. Yeah, listen, have you not watched the truck race in Martinsville a few times? I mean, it gets pretty bad. That's fine. Whatever. Let's let's talk about it. We're going to talk about a mile and a half. And let's go back to last week where we talked about green white checkers.

Let's just keep having green white checkers so we can wreck half the field. Well, that's what we would do at Martinsville. And end under yellow. Like, and we ended the race. under yellow anyway. So we should have just cut 10 laps off of it and ended under yellow then. If we had unlimited green white chuggers in Martinsville, I'd be like, hey, where am I running?

We have unlimited green white checkers everywhere we go. There's five to go where you're running. I'm 10th. Hell yeah. You got a shot. After the six green white checker, I'm going to be on the front row. Like the trucks, I hate to say this. The ARCA series has become a joke. And the truck series is trending in that direction. Like, let's get off of these mile and a half race tracks. They don't need to be there.

Like you're not learning anything. You run wide open around a mile and a half. That's not helping kids like Chandler that are coming up through the ranks because all you learn is how to drive like an ass. The only thing that I will say that a truck did good for me in a mile and a half is give me the confidence level to hold it wide open on a mile and a half. Like Xfinity qualifying at Vegas, I looked at AJ stuff. He was pretty close to wide open the year before. And I'm sitting there thinking, I'm like, I don't know if I got the balls to do this to be quite honest with you. Because in practice, we were not good.

Like we were sideways in practice of Vegas. No, Bueno, not good at all. I mean, you remember, we were not good in practice. So, like, well, screw it. I mean, I've done it before, so whatever, let's do it. That's the only thing I will give credit to truck racing a mile and a halfs is it gives you the confidence level to hold it wide open. If you come to a scenario where you see data where, hey, it can be done.

You've not ever done it before. You already kind of don't have a lot of confidence in yourself and in the car at the moment. But with the tools that we have now, with the SIM and the. the data that you can see, that confidence, you should be able to have some before you do that. Correct. So the only thing, I think the truck series, almost, if you're there too long, it teaches you the wrong, the bad habits. Yeah, how long is too long? I mean, I would, a year. Honestly, I would say a year. If I'm, if I'm coming up in a series, like if I could go back

and, you know, two years ago with Haley, Haley go right to the Xfinney series, I think she has more success. Derek was with us last night and I talked. And Derek, Same thing with Derek. Derek Krauss, I thought, did a really good job in the 10 car on Saturday. No practice. No qualifying. He did good. He did a lot of the race.

He never sat in an exfinity car. Yeah. And he was the first one to tell me. He's like, hope my God, these cars are way more fun to drive. I, like,

and I said this last year when Haley ran that 07 or whatever it was. Like, if you're a talented race car driver, and I'll say this about Chandler, like, your talent shows up more in an expense. car than it will in a truck. Oh, easily.

Because you're driving an Xfinity car. Like, it's on edge. You've got to drive it. You can manipulate people in front of you or around you. There's way more tools to use as a driver. And I told Derek, I'm like, you did a great job. And I think, like, a guy is coming from super late models or wherever.

Like, it lends itself more to Xfinity than it does truck. His truck, you're wide open half the time. I sat down with Noah Gragson and interviewed to be his spotter when he was coming into the Xfinity series. He couldn't afford me. I'm not $250 a week apart. And you know what I do. I ain't got to do it.

So anyway, I sit down with Noah and Warren Vigas. That's when clutch management was managing Noah. And I sat down with him and I said, listen, man, you're going to have way more fun in the Xfinity series because you don't have to race the air and you don't have to be so dependent upon what's going on around you. You can actually drive the car. Is that what you found?

Oh, no, 100%. I found that all the stuff that I learned short track racing and super late models applies in an Xfinity car. That's why like I have been harping on Chris Rice. Like we need to figure out a way to get our drivers and super late model stuff more consistently. Not a late model stock. Not any of the other stuff. A super late model because there's throttle control. You got to like there's so much to it. It drives just like an Xfinity car to the T. The only thing that's really different is obviously the chassis. It's not a straight rail chassis. And it's a radial tire. Xfinity car is those are the only differences. Other than that,

that's what we're racing every Saturday is a super late model. Yeah. I agree 100%. We rave on here all the time about how great Xfinity races are. They are good. What I texted you last night? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. And I told Chandler, he's like, I don't want to speak from it. The cup cars are not great. Like, and I said, I got bad news, bud. That was like the best cup race of the year. That cup race yesterday was a 10 out of 10 compared to last year short tracks. I thought the cup race was actually good. I mean, I'm glad to hear that from y'all.

I didn't think so from my point of view. Well, because you're stuck wherever you're racing. The arrow, it felt like I was driving a truck around Richmond with how bad the arrow was. Here's what made it fun for me. Here's what made it fun for me, the strategy, right? If you pit early and you don't catch a caution and you actually get to run a little while longer, you can make up, I mean, we made up 10, 12 spots. I wish we just never had to pit. Tell me what happened, Freddie.

Tell me what happened yesterday when somebody, you got to, you got to, you got a, you got to, a safety warning. Is that what happened? Dude, that man came out. What does that mean? Safety violation. That dude tried hard. What is a safety violation? He sold out. Yeah, dude. Like a LeBron flop. This poor guy. What's his day job? He's, he is our IT guy. So your IT guy was catching tires. He's catching tires. And he fell over the wall. And one way. You got a six foot six NBA All-Stars sitting on the pit box. Why ain't he out there catching tires? Well, first of all, that tire wasn't even in the screen so i mean you'd admit michael jordan would just grab that tire

and palm it like a ball and just pick it up put it behind a wall you're gonna need it at center wouldn't even have to bend over to pick that tire you didn't need that center from the rockets back in the day that big hema ajuan no bigger in him the other guy oh uh manupe bo no other guy manuble was seven yeah ever who's the guy from the rocket's the center hockey heme alajuan no i was like after that oh i don't know oh yelving say it yow v yeah me This is a NASCAR podcast guy. Oh, I remember him. Yeah.

Do you need that guy? I agree. So IT guy falls over the wall and you get a penalty. He didn't fall, dude. He like, he launched. I mean, it was like, what do you? The poor guy. I feel awful for him because not only do you make that.

Is he unathletic? Oh, he looked like that. Because there's an IT guy, Stuart Haas, named Justice, who ran a 4-440, played football for weight for us. If you're going to have an IT guy acting in a role, you need a guy like Justice. like listen i'm not going to i'm not going to fault the guy for trying hard like he literally tried to catch the tire and i don't know what would have happened with the tire if he didn't try to catch it because if it would have rolled away it's the same penalty um but so he face plan oh yeah he dragged his face across pit road well tj look dude and and i like the only reason i really feel bad for him is like

mj is sitting on the pit box yeah like just watching this NBA all star jm j He didn't know who he was when he got there, but he knows who he is now, though, don't he? I would assume his catch the tire days may be numbered. He better stick to a... Dude, the tire wasn't even that close to him. I mean, he went full extension. I'll get credit.

Yeah, that tire... Do we have this on video anywhere? We can share with the list of all. I'll see if I can find it. It's on Twitter. It's all over there. Well, anyway, MJ is now the official tire catcher. Yeah, let's get the boss out there.

Do something. Who do you think could tell Michael Jordan what to do? probably nobody if I had to guess I would go with Danny nobody no the best part is they cut the video yesterday right and NASCAR cuts a video and like we had that go on

and Danny had a bad pit stop at the same time and so they cut the poor guy falling over the wall and then they cut the Danny in his car and he's going oh that was a face plant Danny Danny's got his uh oh man what oh my man he's definitely not a scorpion dude he's scorpion he did scorpion he's not he's definitely not and the bet normally cordon will be with us at a big owls last night but he was moving back from richmond probably having back surgery no kidding he's probably sore

casey forgive me for a minute but chanler i want to ask you something you ever been to milbridge we talk about we talk about hard to pass we talk about a weight we talk about aerotight yesterday day there was a point where you were three and a half tints faster than the car you were catching. And once we caught that car, not only did we lose our three and a half tents. No, that's not the case. Not only did we lose three and a half tents, we lost another tenth. Like, tell me as a driver what is going on in there to make you feel, do you know you're going four tents slower?

Honestly, yeah, because you see the guy in front of you. You're running them down like no tomorrow. And you get your lap times, don't you? No, I don't have any, unfortunately. Yeah, that sucks. But you're running them down. You get to them, and then your balance just completely shifts. It's like it ain't turning worth of crap anymore.

You're dropping a gear trying to stay with them. Like it was rough. But for us, as the race progressed, we got better and better from the drop of the rag. We weren't that great. You knew that. We had hardly any left front tire wear at all. Our left front tire was not working at all. Towards the end of the race, we got it a little better to where I mentioned it on the radio.

the buffer between clean air and dirty air was so big that I couldn't do anything. Even if we did have speed, I couldn't do anything with it. Once I got to a guy, I couldn't go to the outside because it didn't turn. I had to bottom feet all day and used the apron to help me turn. So we made it to where the buffer was a little bit smaller in a box, and I was able to be a little more on the offensive towards the end of the race, which is why we were able to get a few more positions. But it was horrible.

It was bad. I didn't not realize how, like I got in the car and I seen, well, I didn't get in the car. Walking up to the car, seeing how small that spoiler is. I was like, oh, this looks like it's going to be a step in the right direction for less arrow-dependent racing, right? And then learning more about the cup car and how the down force is fed to the diffuser and all that stuff. I don't know. Hopefully they've made gains from everything I've heard from the previous package. This is a gain.

I'm just glad I did not drive that previous package. What's the biggest thing you learned yesterday? The biggest thing I learned is the racing. The racing sounds really bad, but the restarts and all is a lot like truck racing. Nothing like X-Finity. Oh, 100%. Expendity racing, nobody is aggressive at all. People don't get up on it on restarts.

That's because you're going to wreck if you try it too hard. I disagree with that. In an X-Finity car? Yeah, like, I disagree with that. You can take advantage of people more in Exfinity than you can in trucks or cars. We'll give away our secrets here. Yeah. How so?

I mean, I kind of agree with them on that because trucks are, I mean, those guys, I mean, honestly, they can take advantage of people in the trucks. The biggest thing is trucks and the cup cars are stuck. Like, they're stuck. For sure. Expendity car. You're not as. Expendity car.

Like, I never fought any aeros situation at Richmond on Saturday. Didn't even fill air hardly at all. Clean air to dirty air. There wasn't much of a bumper. Yeah, we were to drive right up to you. Yeah, exactly. Right. So, I mean, y'all, you deserve that.

Like, y'all were really good on the long run. We were good for 35 laps and then y'all work better for there on. Like, tip of the cap for that. So, no, that's a prime example. We were really good on the long run yesterday. Like, we were pretty solid in the long run. long run, short run, we sucked. Anytime we around people, we kind of sucked. But when there was nobody around us, decent lap times for what we have. So, I don't know. And that was actually one of the

wider tracks. So restarts are more fun in the cup car or more fun in the Exfinity car? For me right now, more fun in the Xfinity car, because I feel like I have more of an edge on people in the Xfinity car personally. Cup car, I feel like everybody's kind of on the same playing field. Yeah. I'll say this, man, you showed up and you showed out in Xfinity. Like, I didn't expect... Spotter. We... 100%.

Like I said, like I said, to start the show, Freddie makes the driver look good. But you showed up and showed out. Like, are you surprised at how fast you are everywhere you're going? Because you're fast at places, like I said, colleague, I didn't expect to be fast. Yeah, like turn three at Phoenix, turn 15 in Dakota, super fast. Turn three at Phoenix, we were like hauling butt in. I noticed. Like big time.

You were so fast. I said hold the break for you a hit. I didn't know. I was like, hold the break and then Freddie was nice me. He's like, sorry. So just so we're sitting side by side. I thought the 10 was going to dump me. So I just chose you guys instead of getting dumped. I kind of had the impression that you were looking like watching. I was. I was. By the time I looked back forward, it was too late. Yeah. We kind of, we said that up there. Yeah, it was. But are you surprised how fast you are? Um, after evaluating where a colleague was and is an organization with expending cars and whatnot and knowing what my driving style is,

my background is and whatnot. I'm a very humble person. I'm not cocky. Like, I, no, that's not me. I'm not the one to go boasting about stuff. When I beat Kyle. No, it's a fact. I'm just kidding.

It's a fact. So I would have been disappointed if I was any worse than I am, to be honest. Do you think you win his championship? We have some work to do. like Richmond is a key race track to see the people that were good at Richmond are going to be good when we go back to Phoenix. Those are the people that are going to be good when we go back to Phoenix. We weren't that great at Phoenix. We were not good at all race.

Something happened at the end of the race where we were all right. So we went. Restarts. It was a rest of it. Yeah. Like we were okay at the end of the race. But for that whole race, we were not good at Phoenix. So we changed up a lot of stuff going to Richmond trying to learn for, you know, going back for the championship race.

and it was better. It was in the right direction, but we still aren't where we need to be, in my opinion, on the short track program where intermediates were pretty solid, but on the short track program, especially where we need to be, we still have some work to do.

What track would you pick to be championship weekend? Would it be Phoenix? Probably Richmond. Probably Richmond. Let's go in Richmond. Probably Richmond. And 30 lap run at the end. And no green white checkers.

What's your favorite racetrack? Richmond. Yeah. Isn't really? No, so it really is. I love Richmond because it's a big Pensacola. It really is. I know you telling me that.

Richmond is a big Pensacola. Talking about your, you know, future and obviously the transition last year to this year and how much you've grown. I'd imagine your goal is to be in the Cup Series full time. Which team right now looking at everyone, if you had your pick, who would you go with? I'm already there. I was going to be honest with you. He's wearing a colleague hat and shirt.

What do you say? I'm already there. I mean They're still growing But looking at a team That maybe is well established Been in the Cup teams For quite few years

That's the worst question You could ask What are you talking about? Are you kidding you right now? You think he's going to say somebody other than calling? Okay we talk about this all the time Every team you're with a different team

I'm not going to go anywhere But I'm going Guys I love what you guys This week Hey Casey is there another podcast Yeah that's what I was going to say God I really love you guys But God I don't want to be on an extra stuff right

Casey if I gave you a podcast host Which one would it be? She's probably considering it now Right now Does Denny have any openings? stacking panties Yes Oh

Let's move on a reaction theater As s' Hey you know what they should do And when they do their show They should put like a Like a money thing Like a briefcase on the table Yes we are

And right like Denny's money or something Leave it on the table I'm gonna pass that We're not getting That is 100% of fair question to look at a team that is well established. Do you really think he's going to say anything other than calling racing? Is this how it is every week?

Is it this fun? Well, most of the time it's him. Y'all need to have me on more. This is great. Most time, Brett Argue is worth getting up to. He's contractually obligated to say collie grace. Nah. Yeah.

Chandler, you want to race at Millbridge? Hell no. Chad boat hired. That's what you should have said. I will never be in Milbridge. Oh, thank you, Andrew. I'm going to pour it over my head. I want to pass out.

Usually it's Brett and Casey that are arguing. Well, usually I give her a . But they're giving her a . And I'm laughing about it. It normally ends with her call and him a really bad name. And then we just stop from there. She called us ass shit. Oh, God.

What's next, Harvard? Okay, spot on, spot off. Christopher Bell said Ross did what Ross does in regards to Chastain's three-wide move that resulted in contact between 20 and 24 that ultimately took Byron out of contention for the win. I will go on to say Bell, after seeing the replay, apologized on Twitter for the 24. So he at least admitted his fault. What do you guys think about having Ross-

Because he took out my DBC pick that was probably going to win. Ah, spot on, Christopher Bell. But let's add on the fact that Ross is being used as a scapegoat quite a bit these days. whether it be his fault or not, how do you guys feel about that? I saw, so one of the things, one of the funniest videos I saw that came out of the weekend was not something John found. It was, it was the video of, so Bob's doing an interview with Kyle Bush. And we all know Kyle Bush is kind of a snarky, sarcastic son of those. And he was like, I think very snark.

Like being very snarky, he was like, maybe, maybe Ross needs glasses. Maybe Ross can see the front of his car. Maybe I wear glasses now. Maybe that's what Ross wear. Any glasses? Not yet. He's 20. I just had an eye exam.

I actually, he just can't see your black car in front of us. That's fine. Good thing I drove. Good thing my car is white when I pulled in. I figure if I put an eight on him, I hit it. So then of course, Bob goes to Ross and is like, hey, Ross. Bob Ross? Like the paint?

Bob Ross, yeah. Bob goes to who that is. He doesn't know who that is. And he says, Ross, did you hear Kyle Bush says you need glasses? And Ross's facial expression. Never changed.

Never changed. For a solid minute and a half. Concrete Ross. Concrete Ross. And he's like, well, he don't say that shit me. Like that,

like, and then he backed it up on Sunday. Again. Again, he said, he said, well, Christopher didn't say nothing to me on the way by. Like what?

And I'll give Ross credit for that because like if you got a problem, say something to Ross. And poor, like, listen, we have the old don't give a to her on the show. It's back. That we talk about Ross. And last week, he was doing what he had to do. He spun out, drew a caution, should have been penalized, didn't get penalized. 10 laps later, he's in the top five. But the way he got to the top five was super aggressive restarts, blow through the corner,

maybe knock up people out of the way and get back to the, that's his job as a race car job. I would expect. channel to do the same thing the races I'm spotting like that that's your job but like this one here like he makes it three wide on a restart your job you're trying to go forward and i don't know i christopher i assume knew he was there but it sounded like christopher didn't know there was another there was probably a car with between him and ross getting in he just misjudged it he just misjudged how much room he had he misjudged it by a lot yeah i mean he drove straight to the 24th quarter yeah i mean that's a lot he definitely misjudged it i'm i'm spot off for the

the comments because Ross didn't do anything that I wouldn't have done if I'm driving. If you saw that opening, you're probably going down there. It's clean air. You want to follow the guy under the corner? You want to have some marion as we get there. Plus, if when you get there, there's a chance that these guys get all washed up and you go behind him anyway. I tell my 10-year-old all the time. Make plays not excuses.

So like lap 50 of the racers a restart. We're side-by-side off at two of Blaney. Guess who shoots three wide to the bottom? No. Christopher Bell. Yes. What's the difference? your job.

Your job is doing. You're in front of you. You're supposed to try to pass us. Every restart, if you don't take forward momentum, you're losing. Like if you follow somebody into a corner. Christopher made a comment that he found out he was three wide late. And I don't know what the timing of that is like. But it's almost like it caught him off guard.

But like if you know your three wide Chandler, why wouldn't you stay closer to the guy on your left versus? just going and hanging a right to the guy on your right. Did you see the replay? No, I haven't got to see it, so I don't have much dog in this fight. But if I'm, was he three wide middle? Yeah, so you're throwing into one on a restart. And I'm going to tell you something.

I'm going to tell you point, Blake, I wrecked Michael Walter at Richmond, my first year spotting, Exfinity cars, bush cars back then. Because somebody dive bombed the bottom, and I didn't say three wide in time, and we were three wide on top, and by the time I keyed up, we were wrecking. And he called me after the race, and he was like, I didn't know I was three wide in time. I said by the time I knew I couldn't tell you either, which makes me be a little more reserved now. Like I'll tell you three wide before you're three wide versus us being getting info too late.

It's hard as spotters getting into one right there when you get three wide and it's barely there. Like it's hard. And coming out of four, it's so hard to clear you high because of our angles. I will tell you this. Ross was inside of him about two carlings after the start finish line. So that's point of time. Yeah. All right.

Let's move on to reaction theater. Imagine that. Denny Hamlin. Classical, I'm good at wrecking people, but I'm not good at getting wrecked. Glad Karma bit him in the ass today. Who wrecked Denny? Listen here, I don't know what the fuck happened, but Denny destroyed.

J.J. Poor JJ Yiddley. That's what I was going to take us out. I'm spot on for Denny there because I was right there. I was just trying to get out of his way. That's what I had in my notes to bring up on that segment with Kevin. I asked Lambert. I was like,

unreal. I was like, did JJ, like wreck you guys, like run you in the fence or something? He's like, no.

He said, he said, Danny ain't said nothing before or after that. Well, I thought it was going to take us out. Did you see in the mirror? I seen it in my mirror.

I was trying to get out of his way, honestly, because I know how it is for guys that aren't full time, you know, being in the way and you're just trying to go back to the front after a penalty.

So I was trying to get out of his way. But I also wanted to stay in front of J.J. Yelly. And, yeah. Well, You were in front of him after that corner. Yeah, I was.

I was. I actually commented him, so we got behind him, I don't know. We seen him one point, and I seen his diffuser. Like, that looks like it's the most ideal position to have your diffuser now. I mean, that looks good right there. I just want to know what they did to Danny's car that one run because he went from a long ways back. Yeah, but he drove on that one run. He went, I mean, he was ridiculous.

I don't, he got to the lead. He won the second stage from, right? I honestly think that. honestly think that, listen, we also saw... The in-car audio. Who, anybody watched race on TV? Casey. So Clint, I guess, went to Denny pre-race, or was it before the race started?

I think it was before the race started. And somebody said, like, I get, the transcript I saw was Denny basically made a comment, like, I'm going to have to carry this car at points today. And Gabe Hart was like... Gabe Hart said, how do you know that we didn't bring you a right? And then he was like, well, I'm just assuming you didn't. And then Gaybart goes, good grief. Like, that's the kind of stuff that makes our sport special, though, because you can't go inside the huddle.

You can't go onto the sideline and football. Yeah. You know, you just can't, you can't get that information. I'd love to hear a football player. And let me tell you some. Let me tell you some. They brought a rocket ship. Yeah, that thing was a rocket.

Danny, Danny sped on pit road twice. I know, he ruined my DBC pick. They had, they had. Christopher Bell ruined mine. my my my my fit was great uh uh

sped up here twice had a bad pit stop they ran long one time which I didn't I didn't understand but I'm sure Gabe watch way smarter than I am so he had just barely

you're sure I mean that's a fact Freddie he gives me every time I get on a plane so he's him but I love gayport

but uh like so I know Danny made comments I was listening back last night he made comments like oh you want me to pass all these guys again? Like, it's just, they didn't have a smooth day yesterday. Let's just put it that way.

You know, it is really easy to blame Christopher Bell for this wreck with William Byron. But let me ask you this. What is the common denominator in all these late race incidents of late? Ross fucking chastain. Constantly putting drivers in sketchy-ass positions because of his dive bomb bull- Somebody needs to pop him right in that watermelon on his shoulders. Who makes these? Fans, fans.

That's awesome. What do you want him to do? You need to have him on the show. Like, listen. I'm sorry, but I know we do love to pile on Ross when we get a chance, but this is not a situation where we can pile on Ross because Ross didn't do anything wrong here. Ross Chastain is one of the top five best things in the Cup series right now. He gives us something to talk about.

Numerous times. He drives hard. He don't care about people's feelings. Oh, 100%. Four wide sometimes into one. We did it to somebody on Saturday. Chanor, how much do you care about people's feelings when you're in the car? Unfortunately, not that much.

No, that's fortunate. That's fortunate. That's good. That's fortunate. That's good. I like guys that don't care. I mean, not that don't care. I like guys that you're worried about you.

Who was it? Or Dale? Dale was the one, Jared, right? Like, I know you got a teammate, but you're... Bill Jared always said, we're teammates. Do not ever put yourself in a bad position to help me because I'm not going to do that for you. And he also said with plate racing, which is now super speedway racing,

make sure you're going forward at the white flag. That's the only way you'll have a chance to win. If you're going backwards at the white, you're done. He's pretty good at play racing, by the way. Yeah, I'd like to personally thank Mr. Clint Boyer for ruining my life. For the past 20 years, I've had my wife convinced that the best pit road was a short and wide one. And in one afternoon, Mr. Clint Boyer on Fox, the whole damn world heard him say the best one's long and narrow.

So thanks a lot, Clint. You know what I got to do? You know what she wants? That's right. She wants a long, narrow pit road. So guess who's got to go see somebody tomorrow about that? Huh? I'm waiting on that $10,000 from Fox.

You need to send it to me to help pay for what you did. Wow. So he doesn't... Where do you find this? I don't see this. Call in a reaction theater. I've never heard every week. That is us.

You can call it any time you want. I've legitimately never. never heard the girth of pit road discussed publicly until now. Clint is, Clint of all people, is the guy who... Clint's the guy should be bringing up the girth of pit road. Who brought it up?

Yeah. So Clint likes long and narrow. Clint's a long and narrow guy, apparently. Okay. Well, at least we know what he likes. Look at me, you can assume that I'm not long and narrow. You're definitely short and wide, Freddie. You're, uh, you're not Clint Boyer's type. I'm just not Clint's kind of guy.

Freddie, you need better help At least we all know what kind of pit road Channel, what's your kind of pit road? I'm staying out of this. He's a long and narrow looking kind of guy. I'm staying out of this. Oh my gosh, we're getting fired. It's by day off and I'm getting fired.

How to fucking get fired your day off? Craig, geez. Oh, my good. Oh, my heart attack on the show. Well, at least everybody's got a pit road type now. We didn't know that before. I just want to say right now, Tiff, I'm sorry. Casey, what's your pit road?

Casey, what's your favorite pit road? Casey, what kind of pit road do you like? Is it a dirt? Dirt? No, you know. Don't say it. I don't know what you're getting ready to say. Is Bristol?

I was going to say, yeah, wait, Noel. Is Bristol Pit Road going to be asked over? Do you like the one pit road or do you like the dual pit road? Is that I mean? Well, there's the front side and back side of Bristol, right? If you put it under green, you only have to run the backside. I want to agree. I want to thank everybody for listening for the last five years.

The Atlanta pit road was great. I mean, that was horrible. Why? What was wrong with it? No, exactly what was wrong with it. This is going to take to edit. We're not editing. Just leave it all in there.

No, no, this has to be edited. If their mission hasn't signed his contract yet, then it should probably make. Well, they're not all due next week. Blake's like, what the fuck did I get to myself? He's not coming back. I'm so sorry, Dunlop. I'm so sorry.

One week deal. We did great. We had a great start. I got to take another sip by bye, Ty. Is that the last one, please? That's the last one. Thank God. Come on.

One more. That is great. It's all we got. To leave in audio matches 24-7, I don't even know what to do. Just go to anchor. com slash dorm up break clear. Josie Larson get boned on pit road. Talk about what you think of pit road.

Let us know. Did you see him get wrecked on pit road? I did. Yeah, you got bone right in the middle of it. It's the middle of that long, narrow, pit road. All right, let's move on the Asked BCC picks, because hopefully this one's a little bit more filtered.

Do we get that guy's name? You don't need to have him on the show. That was the best. That might have been the top five ever. That was pretty good. Ben's going to find it. BBC picks. Don't forget.

We haven't even asked. You just said DBCC. Not that last. You should ask DBC picks. Oh, whoops. It's time for us. We're not asking DBC picks. We should probably.

It's time for AskDBC. Don't forget to send in your questions. Use hashtag ask DBC. First one is from Robert. And Chandler, this is for you. What is the biggest learning curve that you've experienced

between driving a craftsman truck and Xfinity car and now these new cut cars? Trying to figure out how fast I talk is his biggest learning curve. trucks are more similar to the new cup cars than an X-Finity car is by a good portion to an extent. But they're all three completely different in their own spectrum of ways. Craftsman trucks are, you know, Arrow race in every single weekend.

Even when you go to Bristol, unfortunately, Arrow was pretty big at Bristol last year. I mean, you didn't, you guys were behind me, said you all qualified on the pole, we got by you. I mean, it was wherever you lined up, Majesky won that race on the strategy. We had the best truck. I couldn't go anywhere. I only drove up six spots and I stalled out from there. So, like, craftsmen trucks are very aerodependent, expended, expensive. It's complete opposite.

It's like your short track stuff. It's like a super late model. They're not really that aerodependent. They got a lot of horsepower, not that much side force, not that much downforce. It's a perfect race car, honestly. And the new cup car, I'm still trying to learn myself. It's the biggest thing for me yesterday that I was trying to learn was the tire. There's no sidewall.

feel whatsoever. So trying to get the balance that I needed on entry to make the center good and whatnot. That was one of my biggest things, was trying to find that edge of, you know, because all these cup guys talk about you get to that edge. Once you're there, it's like, you can't get back from that. Like, you just spin out. I got really close a few times yesterday, if you don't remember, to spin it out. So just trying to, you know, way bigger tire. I've never ran a tire that big in my life. So it was quite different, to say the least. But they're all completely different in their own spectrum of ways. I thought yesterday, and I put this in my notes during the race, like, you ran basically,

obviously you probably want the result to be a little bit better, but you ran the perfect up race. Like you don't, if you're a rookie first start, Zane Smith, very similar at Gateway last year, you don't know they're on the racetrack. Like the biggest thing is, like, don't stand out. Like, because if you're standing out, it's probably for the wrong reason. And you just survive, survive, survive, survive. get your car better and then at the end up with the top 20 and like that that's all you can say i think

i think zane finished the same spot i think he was like 17th you're 17th yesterday like that that that is the perfect debut in the cup series like don't make a mistake don't race anybody harder than you should survive the day take what it gives you at the end which brings up a good point do you think you're ready to be a cup driver full time i leave that to you guys i don't really know wherever i mean like did you feel at home yesterday? Because, I mean, to Frayne's point, like, you didn't do that stupid. So, I mean, you did everything well. Kind of sort of to an extent, just because the actual atmosphere of the racing is more of what

I'm accustomed to than Xfinity. Xfinity, that type of racing and whatnot is what I'm not used to. Like, people aren't aggressive at all. I hardly get used up, which that's fine by me. Like, I'll probably will be more now. But, like, oh, I mean, I did a little bit. It's all good, though. It's all good.

It was all good. I thought it was impressive, quite honestly. I thought it was the 26. Oh, yeah, no, yeah. Yeah, I didn't know. So anyways. I wanted to take the bottom on that last restart is what we really wanted. That's why I didn't take the bottom.

So that's exactly why I didn't take the bottom on the last restart. You into the 20, clear. Yeah. So when John Hunter took the bottom, you took the top. When that caution came out, I did not know which scoring loop they would go back to. Because sometimes you get. Sometimes you get screwed on the scoring loops, but you were legitimately the leader, and TJ and I have talked about this before on the show. At Time of Yellow, you were the leader, but sometimes they revert back to a scoring loop and you can lose the lead.

So once you did that on that restart and you took the lead on top, you knew then you weren't taking a bottom. So a lot went through my mind. Me and Freddie talked about it a little bit. He was thinking about it. We were thinking about going bottom for one simple reason. Me and John Hunter did not have a good pass to KBM. We never helped each other. We are always against each other

seemed like. So I expected him to race me like a complete ass-h-hast. Simple as that. That was not the same John Hunter I raced on Saturday at all. Like he raced me clean. Hopefully we showed everybody how it should be done, honestly. I felt like it was really clean and a good product at the end. I'm going to go ahead and tell you,

you were about a foot and a half from it not being very clean off a turn two when you missed the bottom because he was in the throttle trying to get to you. Yeah. And if he would have waited and just got off the corner like normal, I'm going to go ahead and tell you in the three, you're probably going up the racetrack. You don't think? I mean, I don't know.

You don't know. I try to give everybody the benefit of the doubt until they give me a reason. Didn't he get moved or he moved somebody there? Ty. Ty. Tye. Tassed him big.

I was replaying that in my mind so much. Yes, in the moment. Yes, in the moment, I replayed that in my mind because when he was the leader, actually, he was trying to run me up the track big. Like, we started rubbing fenders coming to the box. He was racing me clean. He was going to race you real clean.

He was just trying to do his job. He was trying to do his job. trying to get a good launch and make me have a bad angle. Like I would have done the same thing to him. So he was running us up the track and I was trying to pin him back down. Like we were hitting each other coming to the three starts on. That's just short track race. Yeah, exactly.

I almost remind, I almost said on the radio like remember how this guy lost this race last year. Yes, exactly. You know, because that's why I was hesitant to take the top because I knew he finished second to me in the truck race last year. We were really good. Like we were the best truck last year at Richmond. He was the second best. But there was a time probably in the middle of stage two.

where he was pretty solid, but towards the end, like we were really, really good. But he finished second there twice now. Same year, whatever, right? I would not have liked that. I was like, I got to get this win. That trophy's badass. That trophy looks awesome, right?

So I'd have been desperate. I'll send you my address. I would have been desperate. I don't even have it. Matt took that thing and ran. So have you talked to John Hunter since? Yeah, he texted me right after the race that congrats. And I told him, I was like, dude, thanks for erasing me clean.

That was really refreshing. And he said there was no reason to wreck a guy for a win. I was like, I want you to know like, seriously, I'm going to remember that because I was not expecting you to race me. Let's talk about decision making in this race. Like John Hunter had to overcome a lot to get back there because I don't know really what them guys were thinking about staying out. I was all for it. They were thinking of more cautions and having that said at the end. I bet you were for it too, though.

How did that work out? Well, we talked about that strategy before the race. like, hey, if this works out, maybe, but it didn't work out. Chandler, well, Chandler, like, we, we were leading and I was like, hey, you can see what you got out front. Push. Like, go get, like, you got to lap these guys. Because especially if you lap both of them, I don't think Sammy got his lap back until the very last call to go.

Last call, yeah, like seven to go, he finally got it back. Because, like, Richmond tends to lend itself to long green flag runs. So if you can trap a guy a lap down, we're going to lap the back of the field. Like, Sammy's going to be fast, obviously. but we're going to lap other guys and put them a lap down before Sammy can get to them. It's a bad. It sucks. It's like we call it like 30 for 30.

Like you if you go 30 laps on tires, you're going to get lapped in 30 laps. And that was and that was the deal there. Like like I like and we saw it yesterday even with who came up with 30 for 30. I know what you. Oh, one of my engineers. J.R. probably 30 for 30. That's that's intelligent.

And it and you can back it up either way like 25 and 35. Yeah. Makes sense. So that's just the way to fall off. offworks there but even always like it even yesterday like True X True X put themselves in a box they pit

there was like I don't know 20 to go maybe that stage like we had a yellow like 50 or so to the 70 stage and they pit and put tires on they didn't gain a lot they only they mean they were behind they were they were running ninth

didn't never get back to ninth and at the end of the race they were out of tires they had to put I think they put a set of scuffs on yeah we ran a set of scuffs at one point yesterday like like so you know that I love that about Richmond. Like it tends to lend itself to to different strategies and stuff like that. But like, like that deal on Saturday, I was like, ooh, they're the only ones that stayed out. And I was

like, I honestly didn't think it was going to be that bad for it. Then like we're getting in that run. And I'm like, obviously I want to win this stage, but we need to push as hard as we can right now because they're right there. Like go get them. Yeah. It was a, honestly, that was a good race. There was a lot of, there's commerce and goers and you had to take care of your stuff and exciting at the end. So it was a good race. All right, let's move on to the next one. Chandler, we know how Freddie celebrated your win. How do you think I celebrated the win?

You got to celebrate the win. I didn't celebrate the win last Saturday night because my partner in crime over here was laid up somewhere. How did you celebrate, Chandler? I didn't. I actually went and got an IV right after the race. That's what I should have done. Yeah, I went to got an IV after the race and went to ate some chicken fried rice to get in preparation for the cup race. Chanlon and I actually talked about that.

on Thursday or Friday. Chicken fried rice. I was like, dude, make sure you're hydrated and don't get hungry because those cup races will sneak up on you. I didn't break a sweat any yesterday. Winseless and you drove a cup race. Do you run a cool shirt? I did yesterday. Did you like it? It worked this time. It burnt me at Coda. Ooh. Yeah, it got unhooked or something, but it already circulated, so it just was boiling water. Do they work? Yeah, that one did. Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah, we need cool shirts on the spotter stand. It'd be awesome. When it works, it works, it works good. when it don't work,

ooh. Yeah. That's the worst thing ever. I celebrated last night. Yeah. It was a good part. We can tell you. Look at your drink.

You're still celebrating. Smi-tis. Does this draw bend? Yeah. Look at that, Freddie. I'm sure it does. Oh, that's cute.

How often does a cool shirt not work? I don't know. I hear a lot of stories of it like malfunctioning. So our organization, when I went back and looked at our notes and whatnot, they had a lot of problems with it last year. I don't know exactly if they got them fixed or whatnot yet. But that was only my,

second, no, third time ever running a cool shirt. And this was a completely different system than the one I ran before. So last year, when I ran the Sam Hunt car at Homestead, I actually borrowed Daniel Hemericks from colleague and ran it in the Sam Hunt car. If I didn't run that, I would have fell out of the seat. Like, I fell out of the seat at Homestead in the Xfinity race. I did. But if I didn't have that, oh, no, I was coming to pit road and parking that thing. Like, I would have been done. Like, I was lap 150 going out the backstretch, looking at the palm trees. And I asked myself, I literally said it in the home and said, why am I racing cars for a living? Like, what am I doing with my life? I felt horrible. I should have got an IV after the truck race. It was a doubleheader. We do that like every weekend,

don't we? Somewhere around that 150, probably too. Yeah. So, um, third green, white checker. So they're really, they're good to have for sure. They're really good to have. If I didn't have it at homestead, I probably wanted to finish the race. Then I ran it at Coda and it didn't work. And I still have marks on my back. It's like a sunburn kind of sort of. I don't. I don't don't know. It wasn't too bad, but then I ran a different system yesterday and it worked perfectly fine. Didn't even break a sweat. That's crazy. Yeah, like, I could have ran, I wanted it to go another 100 laps. Shut up. I did. I was happy to see old Dennis come back there with us a few times, though. That made me happy. And then I've seen you guys too. That

made me happy too. I felt good. So I'm old and you, you aren't going to get this. But man, there were times where you're racing around a Denny Hamlin or a Kevin Harvick or whoever. I'm like, man, Chandler doesn't realize how, like, this is, this is legitimately a kid's dream has come true. Yeah, that was cool. Because I'm assuming these are guys you watched up. I mean, you grew up watching on TV. Yeah, it was really cool. The Kevin Harvick is what really got me when, this sounds really bad.

But when he lapped me and I seen him driving, I was like, dude, I'm on the same racetrack with his joker. Even though, yeah, he just lats me, whatever, right? But, like, that's pretty neat. That's pretty cool. And this is his last year driving a cup car. So, I mean, that was pretty wholesome. That's cool, man. I just, I'm glad you appreciated that because I was watching you out there with them guys.

I'm like, dude, you're racing the best in the world right now. It was cool. It was cool. And I feel like NASCAR drivers as a whole do not get enough credit for exactly what you said. Like we heard a lot after Coda with those F1 drivers and whatnot. I talk about, man, this is, this is different, right? Then F1 went on NASCAR. Yeah, right?

So, um. I didn't see that, but I heard it was a disaster. It was. So, um, driver, I feel like our drivers don't get enough credit for what they go through. each week to be completely honest with you. You see F1 and they get way more recognition. Way more. Way more recognition. Way more pay. Way more sponsorship. This, that and other.

But quite honestly, I feel like they definitely, and this may be very unfair for me to say, I may be biased here, but I feel like they do not work. Those drivers do not work as hard as our drivers do to be top caliber. I feel like it's way more into the hands of who they drive for, the manufacturer, and it's simple as that. Well, there's only 20 of them, for one, and for two, to your point, there's only three or four to can win. Yeah.

Like you look at, to his point, you look at Lewis Hamilton was God. God. He was God. And now their cars aren't worth the B. So he runs. Yeah. Like, there it is. They're sixth every week.

Like, I feel like our drivers don't get enough recognition. I agree with you all that. We don't, I don't think they do for how good they really are because like we always talk about, you used to be able to bring road course ringers in and they would run top five. If you bring a road course ringer in now, he doesn't run. top 20.

And that's because these guys are fucking good. But I'm going to tell you something, TJ, like diet, like if you take a guy like Kevin Harvick and you truly get him to tell you the truth about his life, his diet, his exercise, his sleeping habits, everything that guy does to Chandler's point, he works 50 to 60 hours a week to be a great race car driver. I'm not mentioning mentoring his son, which is still work, right? It's obviously part of being a dad, but you can't imagine. Fans don't realize, listen, when I got here in 1999, drivers showed up and drove race cars.

And then Jimmy Johnson was one of the guys. We had Jamie McMurray on here. Jimmy Johnson was one of the guys that kind of changed the sport, right? Ricky Carmichael got to motocross. Then he changed the sport because of his routine. But these guys now, if you're not in shape, I mean, to your point, you're at lap 150 thinking and you're going to die. What was his name last week?

Button? Jensen. He said he thought he was going to die. He thought he's going to have to quit. So to your point, an F1 driver, I realize he hadn't raced in a few years, but nonetheless, an F1 driver is telling you he's in a NASCAR cup race and he thought about quitting.

He was going to burn himself alive inside of these cars. So I think, Chandler, you make a great point. People don't realize at the cup level how awesome these guys truly are at their job. For sure. Let's move on to what an idiot. What an idiot. Freddie, who is your pick? You guys go first.

No, no, no. Freddie has the ultimate. Please, share it's kind of a long story. He has arguably the best, what an idiot ever. And it involves, I'll set it up because Freddie, he needs to get his thoughts together. It involves a spotter. He spots for Ross Chastain. He manages Noah Gregson.

Oh. And his name is Brandon McReynolds. He's a great dude. He's one of my favorite people to hang out with if I want to be hung over the next day. And so I'll let Freddie lay this thing out. RacingUSA.com, I believe it was, reached out to Brandon and said, hey, if I send you some die casts, will you have no assign them? For a fee, obviously.

And he said, yes, of course, you know, just send them over. So like a couple weeks had gone by and Brandon didn't receive the diecasts. And he reached out there. He's like, you sure you sent them? And he's like, yeah, I sent them. Like they should be there, but I'll look into it. Not only did he say sent them. He said they were signed for it.

No, no, no, no. This is later. That's later. All right. I'm getting ahead. In the story. You're getting ahead of the story. Speed it up.

So around the same time, Brandon received a package from NASCAR that was a box of seven. 75th anniversary diecast. So Brandon's like, wow, this is very nice of NASCAR to send me these diecasts. These die casts are expensive. So he said, you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to give them out to our partners. I don't know how many. There's probably 100 or so of them.

I'm going to give them out to my partners. I'm going to give out to the people that work here. I'm going to give out to the people's kids. And he gave away all of the diecast that he received from quote unquote NASCAR called Evan Swilling, who's a friend of ours from, he works in NASCAR. And he said, hey, man, really thanks, appreciate that you guys sending that. That means a lot. Are you referring to Justin Swilling?

Is it? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Really good friends. Their brother. Like, I think their brother is them. So anyway, Swillings like, I don't know what you're talking about. He's like, no, you sent me that box of die cast. He's like, I appreciate that.

He's like, okay, Brandon, whatever. So then the other Racing USA calls and is like, hey, uh says that package has been delivered and you signed for it who and he's like uh i don't he's like man i'm telling you right now i'm looking around the shop office everywhere he goes i don't have a single noa graxon diecast in the building he's like well they're not noa graxon diecast they're 75th anniversary diecast he's like we just need no to sign them and brandon's like well he he said well i already i already gave all those away um Um, so I guess just go ahead and send me a bill for all those dikes and I'll take care of it.

So Noah Gregson, Autograph 75th diecast will be a little delayed this year, apparently because Brandon McRendals gave them all the way. That's almost worse than being fined by NASCAR to give away thousands of dollars of diecast. Thousands of dollars. That's impressive. I mean, that was, that's, but if you know Brandon, it's really not hard to believe. He definitely parks in short term parks. he's he's

what kind of pit road do you think he likes Chandler do you have an idiot for the week if you call me a bread idiot I don't really

I don't really have one I haven't thought about this much I don't I can't say I got one I can't talk to any of what y'all got you're probably better off not calling anybody an idiot

this is how about you know you know you should call an idiot who Chris Chris I don't know if we should win a race ever again

if Chris is going to take a shirt off in victory lane I got to spray him with some ice cold water I thought that was funny Who the hell wants Chris Rice Sweety-ass Polo from the damn race that way that day You would be surprised

You would be surprised the amount of people that want that He gave it to Kevin our friend Kevin from Virginia Like if you follow NASCAR all He's the most dedicated listener He is the most dedicated listener here He's on serious all the time he calls in all the shows Kevin we love you It's good to see you

I hate I didn't see him this weekend Uh-oh, Denny Hamlin's calling me. Should we answer? Yes, I would. All right, I'm going to tell him he's on speaker. What do you think? Did he get him? Hey, we're on speaker.

Hey. We're recording our show right now. No shit. Longest show ever. We got JJ Yaley as a guest. What are you talking about? Break failures. What are you doing?

Am I going to make your what an idiot? Well. We're on that segment. Me and Chandler were just glad you didn't wreck us, when you wrecked 15. Oh, yeah. That was a miscalculation. Let me call you back when this shit's over.

We're all going to lose our job after what I said earlier anyway. So your podcast is canceled. Our podcast is canceled. We're all done. No, no, no, no. We're going the other way. I had a very good discussion with NASCAR, and I think I got them actually to be fans of the show after our discussion.

Your show or ours? Your show or our show? Or both? Well, everyone, you know? 30 Mo is where you come for the real information. But I'll say this. If I'm your what an idiot, I'm not going to be offended. I get it.

I equate my problem to being like a tailgater, right? When you tailgate and someone hits the brakes unexpectedly, you're probably going to run into the back of them. We were more left. at your comments with Gabe Hart before the race when you said you were going to carry the team, and he's like, good grief. Yeah, yeah.

I just, it was a bad day for me, but let's just move on, and hopefully you guys have a great show. I want to know what adjustments you made. I want to know what adjustments you made, Denny, to go to the front that one run. Well,

all right. Well, y'all have a great day. I'll call you back. Are you all live or are you on the call? You're live. We're all live right now. Oh, perfect. Hey, have a great day. See you, brother.

All right, I'll call you back. You never know who's going to show up on this show. Act is detrimental. What a great guy. TJ, idiot. T.J.'s an idiot. Damn. I phrase that on purpose.

I was going to go with Jeremy Clemmas because he made me really mad. And then, and then, and Casey asked this guy where he wanted to drive I made a mistake. Yes, we know. This is the show that everybody can be honest. You cannot call Jeremy Clemens an idiot.

He's an intelligent even being. I think Jeremy Clemmas is now my second favorite expenditure. I agree. Good Lord. Really great guy. Really hurt my day. Two Xfinity wins too. I'll own it.

One. Yeah, he won it. He won it. Road America. Road America. Yeah. Great. Great win.

Yeah, I was there for that. Great guy. I think he's maybe my second pair of driver behind Denny. I got to be honest. Chandler's not your second favorite? Damn. Why she's just kick him in anything? Jeremy got you a win.

I know you just... No, Jeremy got us a win. Because if that would have went green, we weren't going to win. No, we were bad. Denny just volunteered himself for what an idiot. So I think he's got to get mine. He did drive right through the back of that guy. I will, I will admit, I am.

the idiot one of the idiots for the week for asking that question but i think that i think that we're all honest here and i get that you're under contract but but brett freddie you are under contract in certain cases and you still talk some i'm not under contract we're stupider than i'm not under i'm open about that stuff though i'm open i'm open we need to get it going i want to ask chanler a few more things oh oh boy so dirt racing bristol what you think about it i think it is absolutely the worst idea. Never mind. I should probably stop.

I talked to Chris this morning. I told him, I said, you know, why y'all guys are getting muddy and whatnot in Bristol, I'm going to be sitting on my couch. I'm going to take a picture of me, kicked up eating something to eat. While you guys are out playing in the dirt. So am I. So, Exfinity Series racing. You come into the deal.

You're full time this year. You get to pick five cup races to run, right? Obviously, I get why the Daytona 500. now that I know Richmond's your favorite track. I know why Richmond. Your next three coming up, North Wilkesboro, Talladega 2, Phoenix at the end of the year. Why those three?

Wilkesboro was my choice, Talladega, Chris Choice, Phoenix, my choice. Wilkesboro, because after yesterday, and this may be going on a leap, I think that we could actually run top 10 there pretty reasonably. Like, after what we learned at the end of the race, I think it would be a disappointment not to run side top 15, but top 10, I think we could,

that's not a, that's not, that's not something out of the question for Wilkesboro just because of the background I have and whatnot. Have you ever seen North Wilkesboro? No, but I'm going to race the super race there. I think it's that Tuesday. I'll be there in a super lay model. So no, but it's. I'm going to taste on, man. My favorite, my favorite racetrack growing up as a kid into Carolina as was North Woodsboro. My childhood memories there, man, are amazing. I grew up going there with a Calwell family, and I've not been there since I was literally a kid. You're coming, right?

I'm coming, yeah, yeah, yeah. If you're running, I'm your guy. I'm your coming guy. Perfect. As long as you don't run Bristol Dirt, then I'm not going to show up. You can do the super race. Actually, I probably would do the super race. You want to?

Come on. You want to know who I'm driving for? Who are you driving for? Ben Kennedy. Oh, nice. Hey, that's brownie points. I don't think we can work for that. We're getting in, Ben.

You're going to be in negative points before you get there. But seeing these pictures of this place, Freddie and I spent some time with Marcus Smith last week. Like knowing that there's only, I think, 25,000 tickets being sold, there's only one thing I want. I need you to arrange a helicopter to bring me in and out. Is that out of question? Who's the guy?

Wait, hold on. Call him back. I better call him back. Who's the guy that flies a helicopter at RCR every day? What's that guy's name? I don't know. Petrie? Yeah, that's your guy.

That's your guy. Denny has a helicopter in his backyard. Denny has a helipad at his boat dock. I did not know that. Denny's boat knock is a helipad. Just ask him. What's a crazy, Denny? What's y'all's crazy most story about Denny?

Let's go around the table. You're first. The craziest thing I ever seen Denny do is hire me. Anyway, get ahead. No. I have been to Vegas with Denny. That's all all of us are. I can't.

I've been to single Ohio with Denny. I love Denny. Great. I've never been around him, honestly. Dude, he's so, he's like a quiet. dude he kind of he kind of reminds me Dale Jr. back in the day when Del Jr., because Dale Jr. is kind of a quiet reserve guy.

Then he wasn't very quiet running late models and stuff. He'd have a couple drinks and he'd get wild. Like then he's, then he's, yeah. But then he's very intelligent, but I mean, dude, he's, some people will probably debate his intelligence at this point. He wasn't very quiet in late models, but he was funny. I mean, I had a lot of fun racing with him there.

I mean, we got along really well running with each other and stuff, and he was fast and he was, but he would make, he would make some comments every now and then, and they were funny. Like, Denny is literally the American dream. Yeah. I mean, this guy grew up, not a lot of money, just enough money to race, and boom, he makes it. And I mean, now he's pretty damn big.

Yeah, for sure. He's so big calling our show. I mean. Yeah, I know. He wanted to be a guest today. He just wanted to be in. Yeah. So anyway, Bristol Dirt, what can people expect this weekend?

A shit show. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, honestly, yeah. Yeah. So on the truck side, I don't know if they kept it or not. Two years ago when Martin Trex won, we ran a softer tire that year. There was tire wear wearers and goers and whatnot.

That's a good thing. So last year, they made the tire hard as a rock. Didn't wear it all, not like at all. There was no comers and goers at all. It was just... Yeah, single file, don't miss it. Yeah, it was horrible. Same for Knoxville.

So you can count on that in the truck race if they didn't change the tire compound there. Cup race, I ain't got a clue. I'm probably going to watch just for the entertainment factor of it. And to support my colleague racing teammates, but these cars were designed actually to be on road courses right the cup cars yeah i don't see much road course i don't see any road course cars going on dirt unless it's that's the only thing that disappoints me when we do go dirt racing is like it doesn't get on the right rear doesn't y'all out yeah and if you do you spin out you do yeah growing up watching super dirt lay models like that's that's what i love do you think like do you think

this it was a novelty the first year obviously we went back last year take away the easter aspect of it do you think this is run its course especially at Bristol. Let's find out next week. Here's my thing, Freddie. I don't think it should be a points-paying race. I don't understand why it's a points-paying race. Should the Coliseum?

Even though it's not. You can't because of the room. No, I don't think so. Pit crews, there's so many elements that are. I didn't make the race. I don't think you pay one. There's just so many elements that aren't normal for us. There's no pit crews going.

So every pit crew guy's off this weekend. Obviously, we're on dirt versus concrete or asphalt. The cars aren't made, like you said, for dirt tracks. And, man, I don't know. I love dirt racing. That's what I grew up a fan of first. But do I want to see them put dirt on my favorite racetrack in the country? Bristol is my favorite racetrack.

It's not my favorite race to spot, but it's my favorite race track. So to see them covered up makes me want to puke. I kind of agree. I don't, it's Bristol, so I want to see. The bristols actually was a really good race last year. and these they don't they don't they're not like you talked about they're not dirt cars they don't like look at the dirt cars like if it was a dirt late when I was going through the

ground we weren't even touching the left front on the ground I'd be like oh this pretty cool but we're literally just driving this stiff like heavy ass car on a don't take this wrong but joy Lugano went in the first ever dirt race tells me it ain't dirt racing what are you talking about because who would have won a dirt race I got a sword for bail Tile Larson House That was the greatest race Alex Bowman Ricky Stenhouse

Justin Haley There are true dirt racers in the field So that tells me It ain't a legit dirt race But if you line these guys up And 40 super dirt late models

I'm down But that ain't the case Have you watched the dirt late models Run there? Even that's a little different thing It's not It doesn't even look like

A real dirt lake It's too much bank They're just wild Yeah They're modeling Dirt tracks Don't have Did you ever go to Preley to the Dream

Adelaela No I went there for the truck races though That was so fun, so awesome. I mean, you take 15, 18 cup guys go out there. It was a... Yeah, what was that?

That looked really cool. That was, like, I was really, really young, but I bet that was the deal that Kyle won, right? Yeah. Why don't we do that instead of doing this? So Tony Stewart put it together, and the dream is obviously the big dirt race. So we would go out there, prelude to the dream. And, man, it would be 15 to 20 cup guys. And, I mean, Clint Boyers, the Jimmy Johnson's, the guys that knew how to really drive the piss out of a dirt car were, yeah, like you said, Kyle.

I mean, dude, it's fun, fun to watch. But I'm not, I don't know. It's my favorite. track. I don't want dirt on it. Well, let's find out by picking some DBC picks. Freddie, you finally won. If you want to watch dirt racing, you go to Millbridge. First one of the year, picking for Bristol. My guy dominated. I picked first. Yes, because you. What's your last place finished? Well, I'm either going to pick the guy that wrecked my guy, Christopher Bell, or I'm going to pick Superman, just because I can lay up again and hopefully have some picks love because every time I swing big,

I freaking strike out. Christopher Bell. I took your pick? No, you didn't, actually. I mean, you got this big committee telling you who to pick, so who they telling you to pick this week? I don't have a big committee. Stop being an asshole. I'll be, I'll take Briscoll.

Briscoll. Briscoll at Bristol. Hi back to the drawing board, since I don't want, I'll, who's the dirt guys, Davenport and. Davenport's running. Who else? That's it. Kyle Arson's in it.

He's pretty good. No, I mean, I mean ringers. that would be coming in from outside of this port. I think Davenport. There was one other one. I'll take Davenport. I don't want to waste anybody else. I'll take Ricky Stenthouse.

Chandler, who would you pick? Who's going to win the race? Probably Larson. Speaking of Stenhouse, their cars are so fast right now. Oh, my God. Do you see every time Stenhouse goes by? You see that mac and cheese

on the side of the car? Made me so hungry. I've seen that car too many times yesterday. It went down over the side skirts and stuff. He was fast. He was fast. He was so fast and he had a problem on pit road. They were really good. They were really. I mean, beginning of the race, they're ripping

the top, just going to the front. And then they had a problem on pit road. I think they dropped the jack too early and broke a little line or something. All right. Well, thank you guys so much for listening. Casey, you got somewhere to be? Let's talk about it. This has been the longest show ever. No, it's only two hours. Andrew would like the episode to come out today. I think everybody else would agree. So you're off this weekend. What's your next race? What's where we're going to? Marseville. That's going to be good for you. Yeah. Dash for Cash. What's my percentage on that dash for cash, You have to ask, Chris. That ain't on me.

I'm going to tell you how much you win. Your dad asked me, your dad's like, I bet you'd like about 25% of that. I was like absolutely. Zero percentage is what the spotter gets on that. Oh, that's not a lot. I bet you don't win it. I've seen it for years. Wait, are you guys in it?

I don't know. I probably make sure you don't. Hey, easy guy. That's a lie, Chris. I got a percentage last time. I won one with AJ. Did you? I did get a little percentage.

Are you a part of the gold pot? Are you a part of it? I never even heard of it. Freddie is the gold pot. You know what the gold pot. I never even heard of the gold pot. Really? Call Chris and we leave and ask him out.

The only thing I've ever wanted out of Chris Rice is a bottle of papy, and I still don't have it. A bottle of what? Pappy. Is that alcohol? He's 20. It's a 20-year, I want the 20-year Pappy Van Winkle Berk. He wants a bottle of alcohol older than you are. It's legit older than you are.

All right, Casey's got to go. We appreciate you all. We appreciate your last. Keep it up. Don't let Freddie bring you down. Hey, just so you know, Chandler. I lift for the gate, so don't drive through. me.

Okay. Good point. I wasn't planning on lifting, so I'm glad that you told me your look point here. Thanks, everybody. See you next week. We're out. Word. The production of Dirty Moe Media.

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