Door Bumper Clear - 286. Bristol Dirt & Chris Lambert: The Dirt Guys and The Rest Of Us

Episode Date: April 10, 2023

Door Bumper Clear has hopped its way back from the Easter weekend at Bristol Motor Speedway to break down the action. T.J. Majors and Freddie Kraft are joined by Denny Hamlin’s spotter Chris Lambert to discuss working with Denny and young rising driver Rajah Caruth, Joey Logano’s unfortunate luck being involved in several cautions, the likelihood of another Bristol Dirt race, and why the choose drone was not effective.In Spot On, Spot Off, the table discusses why team owners didn’t actually boycott their meeting with NASCAR, their thoughts on Kaulig and Denny Hamlin’s appeal decisions, whose side their taking in the Kyle Larson and Ryan Preece dustup, what Kyle Larson thinks about the Cup Series racing on dirt, and explain what lead to NASCAR’s inconsistent caution throwing at the end of the race. Plus, hear the return of one of DBC’s favorite Reaction Theatre musicians. Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

I had my one idiot picked out. And then we got here to this morning. And me and Casey are walking in the building. You can't? This is nothing.

I got here for a lot. You're an idiot. You're an idiot. I didn't do anything but type the code in. So T.J's at the gate. This is before you got here. T.J.'s parked at the gate.

So then I see him reach out. We have a little gate code thing. So T. T.J's punching numbers in. The gate opens. T.J. rolls in. And then stops and says, what the hell is the gate code?

And I said, what the hell did you just type in the pick? But there was, in defense here, I typed the gate code in and nothing happened. And it was like... Well, something happened. You obviously got in. You thought somebody was remote controlling. Because it was so late.

Like, I hit it and it was like, I even typed it in. I tried a different number because I'm like, did I type the wrong? I tried the last digit I changed. And I'm like, did I hit the wrong button? And then it like, it even delayed after that. And then it just opened up. So I thought somebody here was hitting a button or something. The following is a production of Dirty Mode Media.

No one. No. Clear by two. Pretty shallow entry. Door, bumper, clear. Hey, everybody. I'm Tj Major. Spotted the Sixth Cup car.

Had the O2 truck this weekend, and it was a very busy weekend. You had a very busy week. Very busy week. What's up, Freddie Crafts, Spotter for Bubba Wallace. I had Steffin Parsons into 20 this weekend. I had a very short night on Saturday night and a long night last night. What's up, Casey? Hey, hey, Casey Boat here.

And I think we are joined by. special guest since Brett decided not to show up this week. Yeah, literally decided. I mean, he tweeted out that he was trying to decide if he should come this week, and clearly he's not here. So I guess that's what his care level shows. Priorities are straight. He decided not to come this week.

But we have filling in for him, a buddy of mine, Chris Lambert. What's up, everybody? I am Chris Lambert and Spotter for the 11 Cup car for Danny Hamlin. And I'm doing the 24 truck this year for Rajah Karuth. Raja. Had Raja do the other night? I didn't even pay attention. He did really well.

We up and down, learning as we went, but ended up with an 11-place finish, so learned all night and getting better. I know one of your guys is a complete headache. You already mentioned him. What is Raja work to look like to work with? I see, you know, we talk about all the time. Raja is on the roof as much as we are, essentially. Like if he's not on the racetrack half the time, he's on the roof with us.

We'll ask a thousand questions during the race about he'll be talking to you, me, Herm, whoever he can get his hands on, just to learn as much as he can. And I think he's a very talented race car driver, obviously. But just to see the work ethic he has to learn and get better. But what's it like just working directly with him? It's a lot. He keeps me on my toes, takes me at one or two in the morning when he's got stuff going on or watching film. But it's been fun.

He works hard at it. He wants to learn. He doesn't ask. what I call dumb questions because any question is a good question, but it's been good. He has a lot to learn. This is only his third year racing in a full-time car, full-size car, but he's good. He's got a lot of talent and just got to figure out how to get his racecraft down. Was he in the truck yesterday when they were packing the track?

He was. He spun out for him. It's funny because I didn't know we were doing that, and I told him. I told Sacco when I got to the roof, I said, I need to put a radio on that way. I can send him an invoice and tell him that I was on the roof for it. At one point, I think he needed you because I saw him backwards down in turn one and two. Yeah, I saw that. Twice.

Twice. I didn't watch the whole thing. The biggest of the track was good. You had an eventful night last night. Backwards, at least twice. I don't, maybe more. It might have been three. I don't remember.

It was at least twice. Luckily, I mean, somehow the car is like in one piece, like, doesn't have any damage on it. Mine's not. Yours is not. That's because you, like, when I saw you having some trouble, you were normally wedged into the fence or, you know, scraping the wall. Yeah, we never, I'm not sure we ran the high side enough to hit the wall. So that's the, it's, it's, if, like, you can tell the guys that are dirt guys, and even the dirt guys get into it a lot. But when our guys that don't run dirt and haven't run it a lot in the past, when they try to do things that becomes natural to the,

the dirt guys. It's not, um, as long as it's work out that well. We, we went in there on the high side one time and it was, we weren't really on the high side. We were almost there, but it was slick. And as soon as he pitched it into the ground, I was like, that's going to be slick right. Oh, hold the both. Yeah. Yeah, you could see if you missed it by a foot, it was, we missed about five that. Yeah, but I'm just saying, like even if you just a little bit, if you were, instead of being in the, the lighter brown dirt versus the darker slicked off section, it was, it was a half a second lap time, you know, it was. Big different. huge difference and that was where the difference to me you could see the guys and why we saw

six quote unquote dirt guys finishing the top six was there was a very thin cushion up top and they could just run it better than everybody else we were kind of we had to be kind of committed to the bottom pretty much all night middle to the bottom because we just couldn't make the same speed that they could up there whether it was car or bubba or whatnot but you know it was we were kind of committed to one lane and they could just go up there and find time and kind of drive around you if they needed to but yeah we had a we had a we had a been early. Bubby uses Mulligan up on Master Sunday pretty early in that one. But luckily, we rebounded, came back finally a somewhat clean race after that.

I was in that one too. We taught, yeah. Lugano, as easy as Lugano's night was on Saturday night, like he didn't have to, he didn't break a sweat. The next day, he had every wreck. I kept looking at Coleman and laughing because obviously we spun out. We were 90% of the way around and kind of dragged him with us. And that was his first wreck.

And then right after that, I think it was the 51 spun. out in front of him and he was in the fence again. And then I think it was the 99 spun out in front of him. And that was the end of his day. And I just looked at Coleman every time. I was like, I guess he used up all of his luck last night because he didn't do anything on Saturday night. He just out there was like, though.

I don't think you were ever back that far. I got it back to about 15, 17. He was back there a little bit. And at times, and I know we're going to talk about it, but we would get some track position and we would get in front of like the bat. You know what I mean? Like we made her way through that. But then there would be a wreck in front of it.

of us and it would be right in front of us and we'd have to lift and barely miss it well the guys behind us weren't lifting keep digging and we lose four spots just like that yeah and we would lose four spots and then we would take us another run to get them back um we did that probably three four times so it was it was tough like it was tough sledding back there literally sledding speaking of that truck race i did try to get the winning spotter of that truck race to come join us today blaney uh he had some other stuff first he's going to get back late and i know he's he's not much of a morning person begin with, probably. So he's got that hill turn your line,

he's at 11. He said he'll come on here eventually. We just got work the timing out. But we talk about on here all the time, like it's easy to spot for fast race cars. I think all he said all night was rest on you. And then like that was pretty much the rest of the night. Joey, and like you said,

Joey didn't even break a sweat. All he did was lifted the flag sand, roll around the bottom. And he just, he's good at it. He didn't overdrive. He didn't. I mean,

he knew what he was doing. Yeah, that truck, the truck race, I think probably suffered a little bit from a race track had a lot of laps on it. You know, you do a couple hot lap sessions. You do four heats for each series at 15 laps each.

Then you do 150 lap feature. The track was kind of worn out and, I shouldn't say worn out, but it was slicked off and it was hard to pass. And like you saw that. I think it was the first time in history that in this stage history that the top three were the same for every stage and finish. So obviously that tells you right there wasn't a great race.

There was not a lot of passing. A lot of cautions. We got wrecked early. Just kind of Stefan had nowhere to go. Somebody spun from the top and we slid into it. But it was an interesting race. I thought the cup race was pretty good. You know, for what it is, I thought it was a decent race up front.

The guys, you could sell, like I said earlier, the dirt guys kind of showed out a little bit. And they were the guys that put on a show up front with the rest of us were kind of all three wide fighting for our lives, mid-pack and back. But, you know, race-wise, I thought it was pretty good. If we were running 10th, we probably could have ran 10th. There's the dirt guys, and then the rest of us.

We could. You got up there a couple times. We got track position, staying out, restarted seventh, went to 9th, went to 12th, and spun out. Well, that's because Danny would, every time I look at Danny, he would be, he'd always just try to sling it around the high side. And every time he tried to get up top, he'd run a few good laps, and it was like, no, I'm going to kill the right side again. Yeah. It wasn't fun. It was a long night, but I thought the race overall was really really.

really good compared to the past years, especially watching the quote-unquote dirt guys get up there and just rip the lip. I mean, it was fun to watch. Yeah, the first year I thought was pretty bad. You know, the first year kind of ran like a concrete race eventually. Like everything kind of just went back to normal. The track was in really good shape. Yeah. I thought the track, I mean, it had one rut, but. Yeah, last, and I thought the rut was helping people, you know, kind of helped us. It looked like it kept moisture in that middle lane a little bit. Oh, we were using the run. And yeah, we were using the rut. We were talking about under yellow one time, booty's like, there's a huge rut over here in three and four. And then eventually,

I'm like, you're going to have to drive through the rut because there's the only place where there's any moisture in three and four right now. But, you know, last year the race was decent, but it kind of got aided by all the cautions. I mean, all the rain kind of kept moisture in the racetrack for a majority of it. Then last night, they had the track pretty good. I mean, it slicked off to where it was kind of bottom more very top, you know, but that's how, I mean, if you're going to have a 250 lap dirt race, there's really none of those in the country. So eventually you're going to have, that's going to happen. But, yeah, aside from that, what else happened in Bristol? Anything exciting?

I can't remember. I mean, I have to go back to my notes. It's a pretty quiet weekend. I thought they did a good job with the track. And, you know, Friday, starting off with Friday, calling that day really early was, you know, big props to NASCAR for, you know, calling that early. And, I mean, it was pretty, I don't know when you were taking off. And we were supposed to be taken off.

It was really rough here. Yeah, I hadn't even left the house yet when I got the email. So it was, it was. Yeah, Herman was halfway to the airport. So. That's a long ride. Yeah, he turned around and got right. Halfway, he was three months.

minutes in. He went back to the... Oh, no, he's in the Statesville. And he got to go to his favorite breakfast spot that morning, which he probably doesn't get up early enough to do most of the time. So that was probably a positive for him. But sorry, Herm. There's been a lot of conversation.

Obviously, they haven't made an announcement as to whether or not Bristol will be back on dirt next year. What do you guys think? I think it was very telling yesterday. Normally, they announced ticket sales for the next year on the day. on the day of their dirt race. And I noticed yesterday that there was no announcement for ticket sales. Yeah, so I'm tending to believe that that was probably the last one.

It's hard because, you know, obviously they've found a little niche. We'll see what the TV ratings are last year. They were pretty good for that Sunday night race. I'm going to assume they're probably going to be fairly good this year because it was on Bain Fox again. Well, they should be because we're not competing against like anything. Right? Yeah, 100%. But like if the problem is like I feel like the Easter date moves around a lot.

And now you're going to have to chase it. If you're going to commit to running Bristol on Easter, you know, Easter night, third race, whatever you want to call it. You know, like next year Easter's on, I think, March 31st. So that's another week earlier in the schedule, I assume, that we'll have to alter the schedule to get Bristol if you're going to continue to do that. So I don't know how that would work logistically with the schedule. But I think it's kind of run its course. you know, we'll talk about it later with some of the dirt guys comments, but, you know, it just seems to me like there, I mean, there wasn't many people there last night. I felt like, yeah,

there's no campers. Like, that's one of the biggest things, and I hate to give Brett credit for anything, but he did tweet, like, one of the easiest ways to tell what the crowd's going to look like when you get there for the weekend is what the camping lots look like. Yeah. And the one on the hill behind the racetrack is usually full of campers, and there wasn't hardly any there yesterday or all weekend. So, you know, the crowd wasn't great. We'll see the TV numbers, what they look like when they come out. But I feel like it's kind of run its course. And I thought that it was a pretty telling sign yesterday that they didn't put

any tickets on sale. Yeah, I kind of agree. There's so much prep into this one race with the cars. We're just not dirt cars either. And there's so much prep into these cars. And this is a point race as well, which makes it even harder for the rest of the guys. We got, you know, what, five or six really dirt guys that came up maybe? The rest of them don't have any experience doing it.

Not this, you know, say they, you know, should be better at it, but it's just too much of a, of a one-off deal for me. And we're taking one of the better racetracks on the schedule and we're putting dirt on it. You know, if we went to a, I don't know, you know, if we were going to run dirt, we've always talked about running outdoor like they have and stuff like that. But I miss the old Bristol. And, you know, judging by, there's so many, like, they do a great job with the track this year, but they didn't really have any rain from, Friday on, right? Right. Yeah.

But if you get any rain on Saturday or Sunday, it makes it really hard to get that in. Especially with the TV window that they have to fight against. Yeah, I don't know. I just feel like it's run its course as well. I was shocked at how good the track wasn't ready Saturday when we did go. I didn't think we'd ever get on track. Even though it stopped raining pretty early, I thought there's no way we're going to get. The track's going to be a mud pit, and we're not going to do it.

They don't do anything. but we got there and saw how good it was and then it started running the the packer cars and I'm like it was already almost ready it was ready it was ready yeah it was almost ready they did like the track crew phenomenal job they did yeah they did a great job but that's like you go back to that like this is bristol and april i mean we fought this concrete dirt it doesn't matter it rains every time we go there yeah but the problem is like you don't you don't know what to expect you know we know that if it rains at bristol and it stops raining they can have the track dry in 45 minutes to an hour Now, you know, if you get one good shower on that, we don't know how long it's going to take to work that track back in.

I are two hours after a really hard rain. I don't know. Yeah, I mean, it's possible. At least. Listen, they'll know because they had it ready to go Saturday. But, you know, just, yeah, I don't know. It's just, I still, I hated it from the beginning and I hate it now, like that we're giving up a short track, a legit short track to run dirt. Like, if you want to give Bristol back both its dates and take this dirt race somewhere else in place of a Dakota or one of the road courses, be my guess.

but I don't think we need to lose a short track race to go run dirt. But do you think knowing that obviously ticket sales weren't great, campgrounds were empty, do you think that's an Easter thing or do you think the fact that it's a dirt race? I think both. Listen, I mean, let's not kid ourselves. The spring Bristol race wasn't selling anything out. You know, when it was on concrete or dirt.

You know, I think if you switch back to concrete for a couple years, you're going to get great crowds because it's going to be the people, ha, look, we told, you know, look at the crowd now because you switched back. back, but it's going to, in three or four years, it's going to look like it did last night probably. Easter certainly doesn't help, you know, running on Easter. People, I know you run at night. They do have a lot of good events for the kids. They had a big fellowship celebration with Tim Tebow that I think everybody attended for free.

So they do a lot to make it a family-friendly event, but it's still Easter Sunday. You know, normally if you're going to go to the racetrack, you're going to want to spend most of the day there. So now you're giving up, you know, whether it's going to church, or whatever you normally would do with your family in the morning. So obviously Easter does not help your cause for attendance. I think your TV numbers are going to be a lot better because the majority of people are at home with their families celebrating Easter. Now it's kind of like you see on Thanksgiving with football.

You know, people are sitting home eating Thanksgiving dinner. Now what do you do? You put the football game on. So, you know, the TV numbers are great, but obviously, you know, the fan attendance was lacking for sure. What did y'all think of the choose drone? I think it was pretty stupid I got to be honest

I mean I don't know I hate saying that because I don't know I always say on here like you shouldn't call something out if you don't have an alternative I mean there's a couple simple alternatives but I don't know how well they would have worked but a cone? Yes a cone would have been like especially if we're choosing

on two to go now the field was a little closer to the cone I specifically looked last night to see where we were like where the leaders were versus where the last guy chose and they were probably in the third close to the center of three and four. So it may have been a little tricky to get out there and get the cone.

Yes. But they also can tie a string to it like they do at every dirt track in the country. You can't tie. They don't choose like that with them. I know. I'm not saying that's how they do it. I'm just saying that they're tracks that tie strings and drag the thing off the track. You just the drone was great because everyone chose like way early.

Could you hit the drone? No. So what if somebody, what if somebody, what if somebody changed their mind? late. Like right when you got the drone. But that's what I'm saying. Everybody made it completely obvious way beforehand where they were going. But what if they didn't? What if somebody didn't? What if somebody gets to the cone and drives underneath it? So are you going to light the cone up? Because where we were, then he's like, vision is an issue, period. Yes, you could light it up. You can't put lights on a cold. He couldn't see the drone flying above him if it wasn't lit. I said,

just see if you can see the drone. He's like, I don't have a problem with fly the drone above the cone if you want to. but like there's no penalty for changing lanes last second. We have a box of these other races for a reason. There was no box last night. Everyone was spread out enough. I don't think it was an issue. If you chose, if you drove underneath the drone, I'm just going to adjust off you anyway, if I'm right behind you.

I'm going to know my number anyway. I know, but I'm just saying there's no penalty last night. We have this rule in place every week and there's a penalty. There's no penalty last night. Like you could change lane. I mean, obviously. I didn't see anybody change lanes. I'm not saying anybody did, but I'm saying it could.

happen you know what's the penalty for i mean somebody could also go green on the one to go to and take off and lap the field and there's a penalty in place for that well that there's a penalty in place for switching lanes too what where like yeah but nobody there's no way there's there's no we don't know yeah we got show bottom of three before start finished by the nine i actually saw that yeah well i'm but like if somebody did it like in the middle one and two they've called that but i didn't see they've called that before when people switch lanes and right when they first started doing it somebody tried a couple guys. I just feel like there has to be something on the racetrack. Fly the cone lower, fly the damn drone lower. Like, I mean, what do you? Like, there has to be some

kind of penalty of like you can't switch lanes or can't choose late. Why don't we hang a pool noodle from the bottom of the drone? If you hit the noodle? That's fine. I'm good with that. Anything because you could literally affect some, the way somebody, if you wait long enough, nobody did it. Now credit nobody for doing it. Oh, wait. You mean like 78? They would choose? Because you never deal with this. He would choose and then he would fall out in the back. But not even that. But like, if I, if I, What if I'm following somebody and we have a specific count, I'm going to go off a seven. So this guy's here, he here, top lane.

Now, very last second, he cuts across the drone and that throws our entire count off. Like, he's, all right, you've come on what you look like you're committed to the top. You've got to know before you get there where this guy goes top or bottom. But I'm just saying if this guy is here and we have a designated spot on the racetrack at all these other ovals, if you drive across the box, no good. Nobody did it last night, but that doesn't mean somebody could do it here, you know, and you drive across underneath the cone. Now you throws your count off.

Sounds like you better change your mind until last second. I'm just saying there needs to be something on the racetrack that is a designated spot. How about we just don't run dirt? How about we don't run dirt is a very good point. This is probably all a mute point because it sounds like we're not going back there. I thought the drone was cool and it did his job. I thought it was fun for the fans. I couldn't see it.

Listen, what was your number? What was your number most of the time when you were counting? What were you like six or seven? Dude, I was 13 to 17 most of the time. I was 12 to 14 most of the night. Yeah, we were the high teens a lot. So you're worried about like five or six. Try coming back there and count.

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Spot-all. It was super fun yesterday to ride around there. I am spot-off. Damn. Where'd he come from? First topic. NASCAR had a regularly scheduled meeting last week with team owners, and the entirety of the team owners boycotted the meeting. Many reports are saying the boycott is because teams are unhappy with the state of discussions surrounding the way television revenue will be divided up in future seasons.

Spot on, spot off. T.J. I don't know enough about it. I didn't know this that even happened. Just check Twitter. But we've heard in the past that they weren't happy already. There were some discussions about they just weren't happy with the way it was being divided up. And I'm guessing that's just obviously it's carrying over to here.

And this is where we need Brett. We never need Brett. Well, yeah, that's a good point. This is where Brett usually takes over. Can we cut that part of that? the new part? Listening, listening to some of the quotes that came out of this.

It sounded like the teams met separately from NASCAR, and they were pretty much worried, one thing about, it's coming down to, it seems like, worrying about the charter system. Whether the teams obviously want to make these charters permanent and lock in, like, we've got these charters for as long as we want. Obviously right now NASCAR can revoke a charter, based on performance. I think some team owners are trying to just say,

listen, this is the foundation of everything we've built it on. And this is our whole business model right here is these charters. So I think Curtis Polk had a great quote. He said, if they gave you the moon, but they're able to take it away from you periodically, what's the point of having the moon? So, you know, it seems like the teams kind of had an idea that this was going to be a bad idea to have this meeting

because all the other team owners. Because what happens is they have a team owner meeting, that RTA, I guess it is, where all teams are represented. And then they have a little council, which is like Dave Alper, and I know Curtis Polk, I think Steve Newmark, or they go and represent the team's position to NASCAR. So them guys that sounded like went to NASCAR and was like, listen, if we have this meeting with all the teams,

they're only going to want to talk about one thing, we're not going to get anything done. So why don't we postpone this? Well, NASCAR went ahead and decided to have the meeting, and they're like, okay, well, then we just won't show up. Like, that's fine. But it just sounds like that's kind of what it's based off of the teams. Obviously, the TV deal is playing into this.

So they're trying to firm their position up. And I think it's great anytime they kind of take a little bit of a stand against, you know, big NASCAR. But I think this kind of got a little blown out of proportion. Just the sound of me like the teams didn't want to have one thing dominate their conversations with NASCAR. And NASCAR wasn't willing to budge on the meeting. But yeah, it seems to me like they want this stuff to be permanent. NASCAR almost sounds. I've heard rumors where NASCAR wants to get rid of the.

the charters or strongly altered the way they're, you know, handed out. So it'll be interesting to see how that plays out. We and Bert, spot on, spot off. Yeah, I'm like TJ. I don't know enough about it to have an opinion either way. But, you know, like Freddie said, from what I understand, it was more about the charter system. And I guess the contract runs out in 24, just like the TV contract does. So it could obviously go away.

And you got, you know, guys like 2311 with Denny and collag racing is another one that has spent big money in the last couple years buying these charters to have some kind of worth if something was to go awry with the TV contract and teams going away but um it takes all of us you know what i mean it takes the teams it takes the drivers it takes NASCAR it takes the tracks so i feel like that whatever we can do to make the entire industry better is is what we need to do yeah you see like we i've heard the the business of motorsports podcast as kelly's been doing it's the first one she did with Loletta, they're talking about charter prices and it's $30, $35 million of numbers that are going thrown around. You're like, okay, wow. I don't, I think the highest anybody's paid for one is

about 13 if you don't count everything Justin Mark's bought on top of the charter. So even at that point, if any or whoever was spends $13 million on a charter and then they decide, you know what, we don't need these charters anymore because some other people want to come in. You know, that's not fair. I don't think to them guys unless they're equally compensated. for whatever they laid out for them charters. So it'll be the interest, obviously the teams are going to dig in on these, they want these charters permanent. I've got this. You can't take it away from me. And they'll only build value as a TV contract goes up because that's what everybody's, the charter prices are getting raised on speculation of what this new TV contract is. It's kind of like

the stock market. Right now it's worth this. But I'm thinking in two years, it's going to be worth this. So I want you to pay this now. So it's just, you know, their, the valuation right now is really high. but these guys, you know, they want to lock this in and, you know, these teams want to probably sell their charges before that new contract comes out and you know exactly what you're getting. So it'll be interesting to see how it plays out, but the teams are clearly digging in on what they feel is right

and NASCAR is kind of digging in on what they feel. And, you know, I don't see any kind of lockout or anything of that coming, but, you know, I think they'll figure it out here eventually, but obviously both sides are pretty strongly. Yeah. I think I was wrong because I didn't realize, or I assumed I should say that

when Denny paid 30, 13 million for the charter that NASCAR got a percentage of that right because it is they hold the value of it right so but I'm assuming if Jim France is totally against the charter system and doesn't want it to be here maybe NASCAR is not getting a percentage But um there again I just feel like the teams need something if you want new owners to come in they need something that they can hold on to that has a value other than the equipment and and and the parts and pieces is it fair tj I mean it's hard because you've got this always if you've got this thing now that's where you're let's call it $20 million. You know, if it's 35 is a little crazy. If somebody paid 13, you meet in the middle, you're somewhere in the 20s maybe.

Is it fair to Rick Ware Racing that he's put money in? He's been in the charter scheme forever. You know, one of his cars has been the bottom performing one, and their rule is if you're the lowest performing guy for three years, is it fair to just take his $20 million dollar charter away because he's not performing well? I don't agree. I don't think, I mean, if, I don't think that's, I don't think that's, right. I don't. But is it, should it be changed to maybe they're forced to sell it? I think yes. And I

don't know. I don't, I'd have to get into reading what it looks like. NASCAR bot. Yeah. That's good question. And then resell it. So Freddie, you mentioned, you know, when you look at the sponsorship and you look at the valuation, we do this, I do this every day. Right now, because they don't know what the TV deal is going to be, the valuation of a charter is extremely high. So you know there are people out there trying to, well, who can afford it, trying to purchase one. Is this the right time for like a Rickware racing to want to sell it before they figure out what exactly this TV deal ends up being? Do you see this happening next year? I think if you want the most money for your charter, you have to sell it before the new TV

deal comes out. Because after that, there's no more speculation. You know what you're getting out of that TV contract. You know what it's worth. Now, it may, you know, it may be more or less money. you may but you're taking a bigger risk if it comes out and you're getting the same cut now your charter your charter value goes down so I think you're going to get the most bang for your buck if you sell it before the TV contract is agreed upon but you also have to know that you know if you're buying it you know Dale for one if you know everybody there's no secret Dale's out there you know in the charter market Dale's not going to buy a charter until he knows that charter deal is permanent like why would Dale buy a charter now that for something that could

go away in 2024. So, you know, and maybe it's to Dale's best interest that it does go away in 24 because then he doesn't have to spend this money to get in because we know the car, you know, the cost of the cars and the upstart is less than it had been in years past. So if he can just go ahead and buy some kit cars and put together and go cup racing without having to worry about buying a charter, that's way better interest for him. But, you know, it's, I think if you're going to get the most bang for your buck, it's right now or between, you know, maybe early next year, But, you know, I still, I think that I go back and forth because you want to see, if we're going to have 36 charters, you want that to be the best 36 teams in the country. But it's the same time, it's hard for me to agree with Rick Ware, who's poured, you know, time and effort into, and their cars are better.

You know, they're running better. J.J. Yaley ran third in a heat race yard night, you know, from last. So, you know, it's not like their cars are awful. They have an alliance with Rouse Racing or Kesslau, what the hell ever your name? of his Kesslowski, Roush, Fenway, whatever. I just seen Rick Ware brought Tommy Baldwin back in to be a competition director. He's kind of a liaison between Roush and Rick Ware. So they're making an effort to getting better.

And now, like, if they just happen to be one of the low cars, you're just going to pull the rug off underneath them and tell them, hey, sorry, we're taking your charter away. So I don't think that's fair, but, you know, you still want to see the best 36 cars on the racetrack. Next topic. The National Weather Sports Appeals panel on Wednesday, reduced Colleg racing's 100 point L2 penalty for non-standard arrow parts to just 75 points.

Just 75. While keeping the original $100,000 fine. Denny Hanlon's penalty was also upheld to the original penalty given by NASCAR. Lambert, spot on, spot off because I want to know all about what you think on, what do you think about Denny's penalty? What do you think? Denny is going to listen to this too. He might even call in here in a minute.

I don't think Denny cares what I think about it. We've talked about it amongst our 11 team, and it's just hard for me to understand the process, right? I don't know, obviously his podcast last Friday that came out, he was in depth with how things went down, but understanding how Hendrick presented their case versus how a colleague, like I was, and Freddie, I text Freddie, I'm like, there shouldn't even be a colleague appeal process right now because you've set the standard with what we did with Hendrick,

right? That's the way I approached it. And obviously, I know there's legal jargon and everything in the rulebook and words and words. Words. It's, which words can get you in trouble. So I'm on watch what I say. But it hit the 11 team pretty hard. I mean, you think about, we gave basically over a whole race that points away, which it's driver points, so it doesn't affect us in the owner's stuff. But it was tough to see, and, you know, I just don't know where the line in the sand is for what is what Ryan Priest did last night. Is that same thing that Denny did with what he said on the radio versus what he actually did? So I don't know, it's tough to understand where it is. I am spot off for the whole process as a whole.

until we can get things out and see and understand better and have a better understand of actually what took place versus what we assumed took place. Freddie, spot on, spot off. Yeah, like when Lambert texts me about the colleague deal and he's like, why are they even going to have an appeal? And I said, because I said, there might be different outcomes, you know, that this was a week before or whatever.

I said, because you don't know, you know, we keep hearing Dale on his podcast saying Hendrick had the receipts, you know, and maybe colleague didn't have the receipts. maybe Collegg wasn't afforded to the receipts. You know, hypothetically speaking, something didn't add up though. Yeah. Oh, no. But hypothetically speaking, if, you know, Chevy sends out a memo to their top three teams,

which are Hendrick, RCR, trackhouse, you know, Hendrik obviously has affiliates that, you know, count on them. Colleague is an affiliate or has an alliance with RCR. So if they get a memo saying, listen, we know these things aren't right, you can do something to them, don't go too far, whatever. and that's not directly related, you know, directly sent to colleague. Well, now, Knollyk might have those receipts, but Kallig doesn't because they weren't afforded those receipts. You know what I mean?

So if, and listen, we heard that this was, you know, this was obviously some kind of manufacturing issue that was wrong with the Chevy Loovers. But because it's very simple. Colleg had something wrong with their louver. One of the four louvers that they had at the racetrack. in my mind that goes to show you yes there was something manufactured wrong something didn't fit right they had one of four that was wrong hendrick had eight of eight that were wrong and that thing i think that goes to lend towards okay they they manipulated they modified these louvers in a way that i'm sure anytime any crew chief car chief whatever you want to say modifies anything i promise

you it is not in the interest it's not to make it any worse not to make it fit it's Yeah, it's not to make it fit. It's not to, it's, it's going to be improved performance somewhere. So, you know, I don't understand the panel. Like, I don't, I, the thing that blew my mind about the Hendrick appeal was, how could you be, I saw, like, Jordan Bianchi had a great article. And I was a little intoxicated last week. So we might even talk about this last week. And I don't remember.

But he had a, he had a great article going through the pits talking to nine anonymous crew chiefs. We did talk about that. And he said, you know, the cruci said you can't be half pregnant. Like it's either, you know, one or the other. So, and then Collie comes out, and it's kind of a similar situation where, okay, you cheated, but maybe not terribly. So we're going to give you 25 of your 100 points back. Like, I don't understand it.

Hopefully when they go to the next appeal, they'll be, they'll win. I don't, I just, I don't understand how you can have a team that has eight of eight modified louvers, when they're, essentially win their appeal, get all their points back. And one team that clearly wasn't trying to manipulate the system had one of four, which you would never do. You would never just do a quarter of your stuff. But, you know, and they get, you know, basically the same penalty. So I know NASCAR obviously is realizing that there's some discrepancy there. And they did make some tweaks to the rule book last week.

But Harvick also went on to say maybe these appeals should be televised. What do you guys think? I think that I'm talking about Danny's podcast last week. I thought Danny did a great job with kind of painting the picture of what that room looks. like and I think that I listen Brett has hacked me I have gone on record saying you can't blame NASCAR for this when when you know Hendrick got their points back everybody's like oh NASCAR loves Hendrick it's not got NASCAR has nothing to do with this and Brett's like you still every time they make a rule change now he's like you still think they've got nothing to do it he's probably

asked me 27 times on Twitter this week do you still believe what you said yes I still believe it because NASCAR has nothing to do with this they don't pick they don't pick up the appeals panel the overall panel. They don't pick the three guys that go on the panel. They have to go in there listening to Denny's podcast. Danny said NASCAR is the one in the first appeal. NASCAR is the one that has to go in there and prove their case to the panel. And then Danny gets to defend himself.

Now on this final appeal, it's flips. And Danny would, or colleague essentially this time would, they're going to have to prove their case and then NASCAR is going to have to defend it. But like NASCAR has nothing to do with it. And the only thing they did this week was make them rule changes about the guidelines of what the stuff the appeals committee can change. You know, so if they are getting involved, it's for the better because now they're saying, listen, you can't, if we give a penalty, it's either a penalty or it's not.

You can maybe modify within 50 to 75 points, but you can't just go, all your points back and, you know, well, we're going to keep the fines. Like, it's either a penalty or it's not. Take it away or don't. Yeah, I'm spot off for it. Kind of both sides. I think, like you said, you can't have. eight of them all modified and you know one of the other one and then the one that's clearly doing a lot

gets all their stuff back or not all of it but the the most important part was the points that's all that really matters that's all that matters to that's all that's all that really mattered and it's anyway but yeah i don't know i when i saw harvick or somebody i think it was harvick that said they should be televised or stream like it should be why why why shouldn't it be like i thought nascar made another like one of the other changes they made i i these are the main two that i saw there might have been other ones but now they make they're making the appeals panel provide a summary or a you know a disclosure of how did you come to the you know the decision you came to because before it was kind of just but i mean even even if even if we get that in writing are we still going to believe it

because if you would have gave me in writing well you still given you like they're still getting stuff back and still getting penalized. Which one is it? Well, but wouldn't you want that? Wouldn't you want an explanation? I want an explanation. We just like Hendrick more. Like,

that's what people are saying. I would have loved. I would have loved to have seen an explanation last week of how did you come to the decision of, all right, they cheated, but we're going to give them all their points back. We're still going to be mad.

I mean, we're going to be at the same point, no matter what, even if we read that and they're going to be like, well, you know, they definitely did this. But they had a good case to say why they did it.

So it's okay. We're going to give them their points back. We're still going to be at the same point. One of my questions was, so we're in Phoenix, right? We're on the West Coast. If they took the louvers from all four teams, what went in the car? If they didn't have anything that fit, what did they race? Yeah.

So Chris Rice was on Race Hub the night their penalties got announced or the appeal decision got announced. And he said that they went to them and got louvers from them. Who's them? From Colleg. So Hendrick went to Colleg and got Louvers from them to run at Phoenix. I don't know if it was all eight or if they pieced it together from other teams. But yeah, to your point, like... But did they fit?

They fit. You know, they didn't have to ultra-modify them to fit that one. For me, you're all about the gray area of the rulebook. You're trying to find everything you can. And I applaud Hendrick. They've been around forever and they're one of the best teams in the sport, obviously. So, but to the NASCAR changes that Casey talked about. about, you know, that's NASCAR going and saying,

we're trying to protect the integrity of our support. You know what I mean? Because they know that the optics look bad with what happened with taking away all, you know, rescinding all the points penalties and giving them their points back. So they know the optics looks bad. That tells me NASCAR is upset at what happened, obviously.

So reading Twitter and seeing the fans that are hammering NASCAR that they're Hendrick lovers or whatever they may be, that's not the case. That tells you right there because they're like, we know this was wrong and we're not going to give you every ability to take away the penalties that we give. We're going to make it to where you can only do so much, which I agree with. And I think Steve O'Donnell was on Race Hub last week. I know from talking to certain NASCAR executives, there's frustration because they're also getting, they have to answer to these teams as to, you know,

moving forward, what can they do, what can they not do? They have to set some sort of precedence around what the future looks like as well, which you can tell NASCAR is trying to do. And one other thing I thought, I mean, it's going to be interesting to look at going forward is, now listen, and this is another topic of this pissed NASCAR off.

They came right back to next week and quote unquote, randomly selected 200 cars to bring to the R&D center. And listen, Bob went and put this on Twitter, I think, and I didn't know that, like, as far as I was going to, I think we talked about it on here, maybe last year, it could have been the year before,

that that is a random selection. It's the top five and a random car. That was the random after the week, or they would take back to the R&D Center. They came out last week and basically said, no, that's not the case. It's up to the race director's discretion. So I don't know when, or the series director, I should say.

They've been doing that. They've been doing that the series director, but back in the day before this, you would always, there was always a car that stood out in the race that ran better than it should that week, and that guy was getting random for sure. felt like it was it was we knew it wasn't but it claimed they always claimed it was random yeah it was labeled yeah this year they've come out and said it's not random any longer that this is just

that's good though i mean that's like if you see a guy that's light years fashion everybody but or but you see but is this now naskar going listen you know we took a hundred points you got them back we're going to nitpick you to death until we get those hundred points back and they got what 60 of them from two of them already so you know this this could be a long season they should have taking four last week. Five and nine, you know, watch out going forward.

The thing I loved is, you know, they take the randoms are Bowman and Byron who ran, what, like ninth and 25th. Well, Byron got spun,

right? What if they took all four, then? I mean, who finished third at Richmond? I don't even know. Do you think that, do you think Hendrick will appeal this one?

I think they have until tomorrow. If I had to guess, I'd say no. And I think that there's probably some kind of agreement in place there. I don't know. I don't want to say

there's like any behind the scenes dirty dealings or anything but it's probably like we're going to give you an L1 penalty here you're going to get 60 points do not appeal this. Well it's still a net 40 gain

right? Yeah you're still up 40 I'll take my 40 and go it'll be interesting to see it's something we heard rumors in the garage that it's something that they've been running for a long time and now all of a sudden

they found a problem with it you know so and it's it was clearly an area of the car that you can modify and they supposedly just went too far with it. First for that. But now they'll be displayed, right?

That's the thing I don't understand. What are we displaying? We can take the greenhouse off the Kendrick cars and put them out behind the hauler? Well, I mean, with... Didn't they used to do that? Obviously, you can't do that. No, no, they're going to.

But I'm saying you're not going to take the whole... Right, yeah, exactly. The louvers, you can take the louvers and set them there. You know what I mean? Which I think is cool, because if they do find parts and things that are modified, you pull it off and you lay it back there. That's how it used to be. They used to be a whole car sitting behind the haulers at times, you know what I mean?

So that T-Rex car? Yeah. All right. Well, starting this week, we are streaming for free on dirtvision.com and the DirtVision app. So you can believe we will absolutely have plenty of dirt topics to debate coming off of the Bristol Dirt race. And I would have to, of course, start off with Kyle Larson's comments around Ryan Preece.

Spot on, spot off. After the race, he told the media, I figured we could be. grownups and get the fuck over it after contact with Brian Priest that ultimately took him out of the race. I'm just reading the script, guys. Priest responded after the race by saying that the contact was not intentional and quote, I was just trying to get all that I could. T.J. Spot on, spot off. I mean, great racing. I mean, priest got kind of ran a little bit dirty. He did get run dirty, and he ran the other guy a little bit dirty. And, you know, and it's not like he just went out there and intentionally drove him up into the fence or something.

It got close. There was decisions that could have been made to avoid it. It was just hard racing. A guy doing what he asked to do to get the spot. So I don't think he intentionally went up there and said, I'm going to ruin Kyle Larson's day right here and his race. I don't think he thought that. I think he wanted to put him in a bad spot. I mean, what did Kyle do to him for some, for some, you know, Yeah, he put him in a bad spot. And, okay, well, priest lifted and got in the wall a little bit. And to me, Larson could have done the same thing, but he chose not to. And if you do that to a guy, most of the time when that guy comes back, that's the time you let the guy go.

And then it kind of dissolves itself from there because, you know, I get into you and you run me down, I'm probably not going to mess with you. I'm going to give you that spot because I already messed up once. Even if it was an accident, you know what? I'm just going to give it to you now. And then from that point on, you kind of, all right, well, we're back. I'm back where I was. I'm kind of putting it under the table from there.

So, yeah, I don't see a problem with it handling itself right there. Lambert, spot on, spot off. I am spot on. It's funny because, obviously, I didn't see it happen because I was back there swatting flies where we were. But I went back and watched it last night, and it was a late clear, like Kyle said. I don't think that I found it interesting, I should say, I listened to the audio, and obviously Ryan's proof chief this year was Larson's at Gannasi for quite a few years,

and he didn't help that. He basically said he's good enough. That wasn't a mistake. That was intentional. And probably put it in Ryan's head and got Ryan fired up even more. And Ryan's a fiery guy, right? And he's a modified guy, comes from the short tracks. He's still a short track guy.

We all know him pretty well. And he, the wreck with Larson later in the race, after his comments, I don't think was, I do think it was intentional. It was a perfect modified nerve. You know what I mean? It was, here we are. I'm going to send you if I can. And he did.

So I'm spot on for guys handling on the racetrack and not doing it off the racetrack in the media. Freddie, I want spot on spot off. but I also want to add specifically for you, do you think now Ryan, originally during the broadcast, they played his audio and he said like game on or whatever? Do you think now drivers are a little bit scared to admit when it was an intentional move?

I think that I think you saw a direct result of Denny Hamwin's penalty in Ryan Preece's post-race interview. Yep. I just got loose. I just got loose. You know, I don't know. I just got loose. I don't know what happened.

The car was broke. I don't race dirt. I just got loose. You know, if that's, if, I think if Denny doesn't get hammered for, for saying what he said, Ryan's going to come out and say, listen, I race that guy the way he raced me. He ran me in the fence. And I don't think, in Kyle's comments, I don't think Kyle realizes he was, you know, he said, if you look at the whole interview, he said, I don't know what he's bad of me about,

you know, something happened to him later. He spun out and he got in the back. He doesn't realize that he's the reason he's back there. You know, Kyle talking to some guys on Ryan's team, like when Kyle ran them in the fence, it bent their toe link. and then eventually it broke a bolt in the toe link and that's why Ryan spun. So Kyle was the direct result of why Ryan's night was ruined. And I don't think Kyle realized that when Ryan got back to him.

And Ryan didn't do anything more than what Kyle did to Ryan. And the reason why Kyle wrecked was Kyle. Kyle started chasing Ryan down the racetrack and ran in the side of him and spun himself out. So, you know, like Ryan gave back what he got and ran him in the fence off of four. and you know and he just kind of I mean he didn't like out and out right you know right turn and dorm he just ran him up the racetrack until they were both kind of up against the wall and then Ryan moved down and gave him room and Kyle started chasing him and Kyle bounced off him more room he gave him enough room it was tight but I mean he didn't I mean Ryan was doing it intentionally like

let's not kid ourselves Ryan knows what the hell he's doing he's a very good race car driver and the Lambert's point we used to have we and Ryan have raised against each other for years since he's 13 14 years old and I spotted for different people. I spotted for Ryan multiple times in modified races. And he has a joke that, you know, a lot of the Long Island guys are pretty rough. And he calls it the Long Island slide job. And it's basically, it's not really a slide job. You just go in the corner and door slam the guy and knock him out of the way. And that's what he was doing.

You know, that was a typical Long Island slide job. And Ryan is, like, to Lambert's point, he knows how to do it just as good as anybody in that modified deal. And but like, the thing that bothers me is that post-race interview, like, we're not seeing these drivers be honest because they're afraid of what Denny got. you know and and Ryan would have normally i honestly think would have been like i race Kyle like Kyle race me he ran me in the fence i ran him in the fence where even he wrecked himself trying to wreck me so you know but he can't say that because god forbid you intend you know you you admit any kind of intentional maneuver they could hammer you with 50,000 dollars and take 25

points away from so what what is it you know what kind of thought process brings a guy to say i I thought we could just get over it. Well, I think that he doesn't realize he thinks that he just ran him in the wall a little bit. And that was the end of it. You're saying Kyle didn't know that he. I think Kyle doesn't realize he messed Ryan's car up. And that's why Ryan spun out. You know, I think that.

And to your point, listen to that audio, Kyle had to, I'm sorry, Ryan had the little devil on his shoulder. Oh. He was, I don't know that Ryan. Chad Johnston was. He was revving the fire. And I don't know if there's some, there's some deep seed stuff there with him and Larson that went on. when they were working together, but he was stoking the fire. If Ryan Priest was at a three mad, by the time Chad got done with him, he was about a 10,

and he was looking for blood at that point. Race how you're raced. That's it. And I think that's the general code, but you can't even. And what would be wrong with that if Ryan came out after the race and said, listen, Larson ran me in defense, I ran him in defense. Like that's it. Like that's the end of it.

Yeah, but that's a penalty now. Like you can't say, that's the problem with that penalty to Denny. you're not getting any honesty out of these drivers anymore because they're afraid of what they can say. Continuing on the topic of Kyle Larson, Kyle said over the weekend, we don't need to be racing on dirt, which led to other drivers, including dirt track ace, Jonathan Davenport, to say it's cool, it's a novelty, but it's not the real thing. Spot on, spot off. Freddie. We better all be unanimous on this. I mean, it's spot on for what they're saying.

I mean, they're honest. You know, these guys are, in their discipline, they're two of the best in the world at what they do. You know, Kyle, Kyle, I mean, he's across anything, anything, any kind of discipline, whether he gets in a late model, a sprint car, midget, whatever it is, he's the guy to beat that night. Davenport won two and a half million dollars last year,

super late model racing. What night was that dirt late ball race? Thursday night. That was one of the best races that I've ever watched. And it was, I mean, I don't know how, that was a, I mean, it was one of the best areas I've seen. And it was these two guys. Yeah, these two guys.

And they are racing, like, unbelievable, man. Every corner, what's going to happen down here? What's going to happen in this corner? And it was clean, it was fun. There was lap cars in there. They were, I mean, it was an awesome race. And you just can't do that in our cars. No.

Not like that. You can't do it like that. If you wanted, like, there's ways to get there, but we're never going to do it. I mean, you'd have to take the windshield out of the car to prep the track correctly. and you know figure out a way to get air in there because all we would do

would clog the grill like our cars are just not meant to be on dirt and that's what I thought it was very telling you know because a lot of people however of the opinion of

this just doesn't work because it's at Bristol if you take it to Elora it'll be great if you take it to Knoxville it'll be fun you know they asked Kyle point blank

what dirt race would you like to see this you know okay we get it you don't like Bristol what dirt track do you want to see him go to he said none

none we don't belong on dirt like that not what these cars. Lambert, spot on, spot off. I'm spot on. I've known Davenport for probably 15 years or so back when

Tony was doing the prelude to the dream. And he was driving a lower tier car back then in the late model stuff, but you could still see the talent was there. He was fast. He just had stuff, issues breaking or something here. But he actually helped Casey Kane and Brian Vickers

with the late model stuff they were doing back then. So he was He was around for probably a week and a half, two weeks for two or three years there. And obviously, a lot of respect for what he does. The whole Dirk community as a whole, I'm a Dirk fan. So I'm spot on. I just, I thought the race last night for our cars was probably the best that you'll ever see, just situational and the Dirk guys being able to get up there and just,

I mean, the race for the lead was phenomenal all night long. Two or three guys running the same line, just waiting on somebody to slip. but I do feel like that it's a novelty and obviously I didn't have a whole lot of fun myself so if it went away I would be perfectly okay with it as long as it's not another road course yes God forbid spot on spot off NASCAR threw the caution in the closing laps after Kyle Bush spun on the apron but did not throw the yellow for Blaney's spin in front of the field on a late race restart T.J spot on spot off I'm spot off there was a the tone was set pretty early that If there was a single car spin, they were going to get going, you let it keep racing.

We got past. I've lost, we probably lost close to 10 spots last night because guys spun out front of us, and we had to lift, and others around us did not lift. And I got to the point where I said, there's one spinner funny, but stay in it. We got to keep going, and I don't want to do that. So, but I didn't understand the eight and the five were both out of harm's way more than some of the others and we the caution you know we get a caution for those ones but yet we got a guy sitting in the middle of the track um and we're waiting to throw the caution

for him so i didn't it was tough man it got to the point where i literally was saying got a spinning funny but keep going until i tell you keep going and i don't want to send my guy into that because what if that guy slides on the track a little bit further and my guy's not breaking right you know i don't i'm so used to you know one spinning run you know back and down back and down about like you're so used to getting your guys slowed up to minimize any damage to the car safety everything and now it was like kind of like uh it's one spinning but keep going i don't know like so i'm kind of kind of spot off for it lambert spot on spot off i'm definitely spot off uh you know even last week or the week before at richmond when the 45 spot off of turn two it was forever

before the caution was thrown and of course radioactive has me on their basically saying spin off a two, steel green, what the fuck? And of course, my wife's like, you got to watch what you say on the radio. So then, of course, last night, it's the same thing. You had several spins, and you didn't know, you learned early on what was going to be a caution and what wasn't. But if I'm the guy that spins and I know there's not a caution, what am I going to do?

I'm going to fire up, spin around as fast as I can, no matter what's coming to get rolling again, so I don't lose a lap. So it put a lot of guys in some bad spots, and you saw two or three cars spin all over the race, and no caution. So I'm, if you're going to throw it, throw it. If you're not, don't.

Just be consistent. So we know what to expect because at the end of the day, the spotter position, we're safety. That's our main job. Not just for my guy, but I want everybody to go home safe to their family. So when you're having guys spent out and you're saying stay into gas and not knowing what's going to happen the next corner with guys, so it's a scary thing. I'm going to play. I don't, I'm going to sound like TJ.

I think they did a pretty good job. There was two instances. TJ named both of them that I thought they threw yellows when it didn't need to be yellows. The eight and the five, you know, the eight was on the apron, nobody near them. Rolling the pit road, it looked like. Yeah, you got right on pit road. Yellow came out for some reason there. Didn't understand that one.

That was a race altering. You talk about race manipulation. There's one there where we're throwing a caution for no reason with 10 to go. The five, like, like, they said it, like you, guys already said. They set a precedent early. If it was a single car spin and that guy looked like he was going to keep going, they're going to keep going. And thank God they did. Because if not, that race would have had five, six, seven more cautions and would have took another hour to run. But, you know, and that's easy for me to say because I was in front of most of them.

You guys weren't. I think that the slower speeds kind of lend themselves to be a little more lenient there. Like you're not running, you know, whatever we would normally run there, 14 second laps. So, you know, obviously you don't want to see anybody make content to get hurt. But you don't have control. That's my issue. When you slide into the corner and they're broadside, you can't change lanes. And I think that you can't change lanes. That's kind of what I'm getting at it with the speeds. Like if you hit them, you're not hitting them. I mean, you're going to wreck. You know, you hit, I forget who it was, it spun off a four there and you got collected. And that's what knocked your nose off of it. But I mean, you continued on, didn't even knock you

out of the race, you know. And that was probably like one of the harder hits I seen all night. So I, because if, listen, if they threw a caution every time somebody spun, we'd still be there racing. Like, so I thought they did a good job with trying to keep it running. I don't understand the two cautions for the five and the eight. The five, like, as soon as he spun, he's on the apron kind of out of the way. The yellow, yellow came out. But I thought that they kind of did a good job and had to keep it rolling because, like I said, if you just keep throwing the caution and caution and caution, you're never going to see any racing all night.

Which I was fine with that was that's how we were going to go. Yeah. But it was kind of these two cautioning in. kind of counteracted everything that was done called up to that point. The one thing that I didn't like, and I saw it a lot in the truck heat races, and I saw it in the race last night with, I think it was Davenport. There was sometimes where I know they were waiting to, like, you don't want to throw a caution, but like there's a couple times where there's a guy sitting there and I'm like,

okay, he's not going anywhere. Like, where are we waiting on now? Because you don't need the whole field bearing down on somebody that's a parked car. And they did that at the very end. Yeah. I mean, was it Ross? They were going to let it go green, I think. They were.

The nine was wrecked and then Ross Parking. Well, the nine got off the racetrack. Yeah, he did a really good job. But Ross couldn't turn. And it wasn't Ross. I mean, Ross hit and went right off the track. And you could tell he was like trying to get out of the way, but it wasn't turning. And, well, that was going to be.

Yeah. I know everybody's going to point to that Blaney deal at the end. I didn't have an issue with them not throwing a caution there because that was kind of their M.O. all night. Like Blaney got turned around, did a 360, kept digging. But why does that not get a caution in a single car on the bottom does? But I think that the Blaney deal should not have been a caution, but I also think that the eight and the five should not have been caution.

You know, like, there's no reason, especially when you just hammered a guy for race manipulation, why are we throwing a caution for a car that's on the apron, not anywhere near anybody that's clearly driving the pit road? Like he's not, the eight, like the five I could see because he got turned around and he was kind of mid-packed and he kind of got hung up on the apron for a second. but the caution came out quick there where I felt like quicker than most but that eight one just really that didn't make any sense. They did. They were pretty consistent most of the night though and there were other wrecks that happened that didn't get cautions. We just kind of kept it, which it all worked out. We all kept digging. Most of the guys that I saw some cars get tore up and those guys did a good job getting on the flat and getting out of the way instead of parking on the track. Yeah, a lot of the, a lot of guys that had damage, they actually did a really good job of getting out of the way.

Keeping the race flowing as well. Let's move on to reaction theater. None are going to be better than... That's hard to top, though. What, pit lane? Yeah. Length and size? With?

Gosh. Dual pit lanes at Bristol? I told Freddy the fact that y'all are sitting here debating what guys looked like they had or what pit lane they were was... I was crying. I was crying trying to mow by y'all. I mean, the tweets from people, the one guy, I had to pull over on the highway on the drive home because I was laughing so hard.

I mean, I don't blame. I was dying. Ah, the Bristol show. Maybe next year they'll cover the track in three feet of shit so they can have a show on just run around in the mud and just cover the world and shit. My gosh. What do you say? I'm going to guess he's not a fan.

I felt like I was doing a hearing test right there. Yeah, that was no kidding. I failed that one too. Did you hear that? Push the button. I swear NASCAR is like my kids when it comes to cautions. They never know what the hell they want. One minute they want this, the next minute they want that.

Damn it, NASCAR, make up your mind. I'm going to have to put you in your room, turn the lights off, and get you ready for bed, because I'm tired of it. He's not wrong about it. especially that eight caution coming out with 10 to go like that's just that i mean didn't need to happen what the hell is wrong with chase briscoe is does he have just a knack for driving over his head and not knowing what the hell to do he did it at coda had two teammates arguing with each other like it was an elementary school fight then he does it again this year for the second year in row

at bristol on dirt and people were just like man it happens i wish you would just hurry up and blame Ross Chastain for it. That what happens? Somebody gave me an idea. So I was on the other side of the track. He, so the only way to get the bottom lane rolling.

And I think he admitted to this in his, in his post-race interview, was to just kind of shove each other down to front stretch, like get going. And then Blaney kind of opened his entry up a little bit into one. And I don't know if that was from Chase pushing or, or just opened up his entry trying to get a little bit of run off of two. but Chase kind of tried to fill the hole

and it looked at me like he clipped the second turtle or whatever you want to call that thing down there the pump and it just kind of launched him out into Chase I mean into Ryan but Chase took full responsibility he said this is two years in a row that you know I've done dumb stuff here because last year he cleaned Tyler out on the last lap so you know

you know he kind of I like Chase a lot Chase is a friend of mine I enjoy talking to Chase but this is kind of like he dumped you guys at at Indianapolis when he was getting black flagged and kind of, oh, well, you know, I don't race like that. Now, this is two instances at the dirt track where he's kind of clean the leader out or clean, you know, Ryan's on the front row and restart in the last green, white checker there or whatever it was, a couple to go.

I mean, if you want to go back to Indy, Danny did run them off on both sides of the track. Oh, yeah. I'm not saying Danny didn't deserve to get spun out, but like that, like, just say, well, you can't now. You can't say that. You can't say that. I'm sorry. Throttle hung.

But it's weird. Yeah. Did you know the backstory from last night? Did you listen to the audio? No, I didn't listen to all their audio. So, obviously. we had one plane 20 car wins i sat there for ever and i beat you home you beat me home driving um so i went and listened to the audio after watching some of the videos uh the post race videos and

so before the last green flag restart uh on blaney's radio josh says hey just so you know chase this slingshot engaged okay so blaney's like okay let's let's roll right so they i go to listen to the 14 audio and after the race he's like did did blaney get into the 20 or somebody there what he just stopped and joey campbell plugged a kid to death who spots for the 14 he's like no that was 100% on you i think it was too much slingshot and radio silence like chase didn't say a word after that he was trying to say you know obviously that he felt like he just stopped in front of him and it wasn't his fault and joey's like no that not the case because you have a feel for You, we, visually, where we're standing, you know when somebody gets into the corner deeper than what they have it in.

So you can see when the slingshot is a little overdone most of the time. Yeah, and it's, there's a really fine line, you know, all night long, if you're watching that race last night, you can see patches. Like in the race starts, the track is pretty much red clay across the racetrack. And then as we run, it gets darker and darker and darker. Pretty quick, yeah. And you can see, but there's spots on the racetrack where you can see a little bit of moisture or, you know, like that rut in three and four had moisture. around it. At the end there, it was basically like very top or very bottom. So you had the lower you you could run, there was a little bit of moisture down there, but you also put yourself at risk

and hitting the turtles. And I think he just tried to really hook the bottom of one and two and just clip that turtle or whatever you want to call that and launch them out into it. But I mean, that I don't, I don't see a problem with trying. I mean, you can't blame a guy for trying to get all he can. I mean, yeah, maybe it was a little aggressive. But you know what? At Cota, we get spun out by Blaney because he over did a corner. So, Well, they all do it. It just happens, man. It's win it all costs.

If Kyle Busch doesn't win that race last year when Blaney, I mean, when Briscoe and Redick wrecked each other, he doesn't get into playoffs. So, you know, you've got to take that chance. If he can kind of shove Ryan up, even if you, you know, you never know what's going to have. If you move him up the racetrack in the bell and open the bottom lane up for yourself, now you've got a shot to win the race and get yourself in the playoffs. So you can't like just, all right, you know, Ryan, you go ahead and get this one. But it's hard to be mad at Chase, though. If you, if you've been in that situation, you wreck somebody. Because everyone's in it.

I mean, all you can do is, you know, apologize and move on. I thought it was funny. He said, I expect payback. He doesn't know you can't do that anymore. Like, you can't pay back people. Well, you can't. Well, I mean, well. But Chase does need to not drive it an 11 out of 10.

You know, if he runs the 9 out of 10, he probably finished his top four in that race. Less slingshot. Yeah. Less slingshot. Poor Denny. He can't catch a break for some damn rich. NASCAR hates if his name was Jimmy Johnson or even chase Maybe NASCAR let him win a race

But you're sucking there like old Mr. H your jack could match Better start stacking pennies Was that the return of Jeb? Do we know? Yep, that sounded like Jeb. Hey, welcome back, Jeb. We've missed you. Bang. Yeah, come back right. I mean, firing on all cylinders. That was a good one.

He's not totally inaccurate, maybe, but yeah. Lambert, what do you think about that one? Yes. That's about all I got for that. Oh, boy. Well, keep the songs coming. That was a good one. To leave in AIMS's 24-7, just head to anchor.

dot FM slash doorbooker clear click the message icon and we will keep picking the best ones it is time for ask dbc don't forget to send in your questions on twitter each week use hashtag ask dbc we will answer the best ones tons of opportunities to ask questions i saw some good ones yesterday um this first one is from bow ask dbc do you believe if lebonny what I didn't know Reddick. Tyler's son had a phone. Spelled his name wrong. Do you believe if the Labani Earnhardt rattled his cage scenario at Bristol happened today, that it would result in penalties?

So one thing I took that was interesting from the Denny podcast talking about the appeal process. It was last Friday, I think after his appeal. He basically said that, I don't know if it was NASCAR or somebody. said that like he's the moment when you get out of the car if you said that I did something wrong that's okay but because you had a you know a day to think about it and then went on your podcast and said it now you're in the wrong but I listen like that I don't know you want these guys to be as honest as possible Dale and that night when he I didn't mean to wreck him I just meant to rattle his cage well that's Dale listen Dale meant to wreck him you know like that Dale was meant to

knock him out of the way to win the race he wasn't trying to rattle his cage uh But, you know, so he's playing that politics game back then even. But, you know, it's just, I hate the fact, like, we saw it last night with Ryan. Like, these guys can't be honest anymore. And that's the worst possible scenario for our sport. Yeah, I don't. I mean, we had, you knew when Tony Stewart got mad and you put a mic in his face. And, I mean, these guys had, you kind of taken away their personalities a little bit and who they really are and what they want to say.

It's hard enough to get them to show any personalities. with. And now you've got guys. I think Danny referenced Byron. You know, Byron's been on this podcast before, but he made a comment to Rod. They share, you know, an agent manager. And he said he's not doing any podcast for a while because he's afraid, you know, you don't know what you say. It might get you in trouble. This next one is from Olive. Have you? Lambert, I think this one's for you, but. Have you ever misplaced your car keys, Lambert? Man, that's the first time I've seen you have one of them long. Yeah. Key five. I'm a lanyard guy now. So how do that, happen. I've recently contemplated putting the rental car keys on a lanyard because

Herm does it and I'm like, you know what? Maybe I should be doing that. Herm's overkill on everything. Oh, I know. I know. Yeah. I'm going to have just have, sorry having Herm make my schedule because he has it laid out to the, I mean, to the minute on when he needs to leave the hotel and all this stuff by it. And it's laid out perfectly. So it wasn't my rental keys. It was my personal keys. Oh. Yeah. So what happened? So I call it my airport car. So it's an 06 Ultima that I've had forever that I just drive it back and forth to the airport to sit there three or four days a week.

And in 17, Chris Osborne, Crazy, and I were at Homestead for the final race, and we had all of our stuff stolen out of our rental cars, like spotting stuff, all of my luggage, everything. So I went and had just a key made. And no key fob, no key, just a key, one key. So I get out at the airport. I locked my doors with the lock on the on the door. I put them in my book bag in the same place every time. And it was raining this morning for Vegas. It was Vegas.

That morning when we got there, it was raining. I guess I didn't put them in my spot in my book bag where I always do. Go throughout the weekend, get home we land and no keys. Can't find them anywhere. So I had to catch a ride from Stevie Reeves, took me home. I'm glad I wasn't there that night. I left her. He already left.

Drew, Drew Herring was actually going to do it. I'm like, Drew, I can walk home before you drive to your house. Just go on, I'll be fine. So anyway, next day, go to Nissan, get a key, can't find them in the car anywhere. Had to have it towed, had to have it programmed, had to have. So $300 later, I have keys. The following week, we leave for Phoenix, and I have readers that I watch movies on my iPad or something with or from reading.

And I go to get my readers out, and guess where my keys were. in my reader case. So I guess I got on the plane realized they were in my pocket, put them in my reader case, and dumb s me, forgot where they were. So we stopped at,

where we were going, I guess next would have been Phoenix or California or somewhere. We stop and I didn't know this whole thing happened. And we stop at Tulsa, they give us lunch and stuff. So we're sitting there eating.

And he's like, do I tell you about last week? I lost, I couldn't find my keys forever, whatever. Then he gets on the plane. He's like, oh,

he's like, here they are. right here. Found them. I should get another set. I got spares now. I was going to say. When they program this one, my old key that I do have, quit working.

Quit working. Oh, even. Kind of, kind of. I can't believe somebody asks that. I mean, how would they know? I mean, that's, yeah. Olive. Olive.

What a name. Sounds like a stage name or something. So. There are so many questions I could ask here. Oh. You guys go to Milbridge? Hey, Milbridge this weekend, or this week. Let's move on to What an Idiot.

What an idiot. What an idiot? Freddie, who you got? My Wooden Idiot is the guy that decided he was going to spend the last two days of his life flipping Joey Lugano off. Did you see this idiot in the grandstands? Somebody told me his name. I can't remember what it is.

There was two guys. It was TJ on the roof and this guy in the grandstands. But nobody saw TJ doing it, so we'll just call this guy out. Well, he had a short night yesterday. He must have had a long night on Saturday, though, because the guy dominated the whole race and he just flipped him off for the entirety of the race. Like, what are you doing? I get it. You don't like the guy.

But, I mean, you look like an idiot if you're just sitting there lap after lap flipping the guy off in different directions. Like, I don't get it. As he's leading ever left. As he's leading the whole entire race and wins. Why are you looking at this guy, not your truck? Yeah. Who are you cheering for? I mean, like, why wouldn't you not have a favorite versus somebody?

Why are you expanding so much energy? Maybe Joey is his favorite, and he's telling him. You're number one. I don't think that's it. I don't think that's it. Maybe. Maybe he should call in. Well, I didn't have one until I woke up this morning, so it's me.

Hi. So obviously, last night there's dust flying everywhere. It's rough. Obviously, my guy can't see. T.J's guy can't see. We run into everything on the racetrack. We didn't hit a lot. We just spun out a lot.

Yeah, we hit and ran. and spun up. So Sundays at home is my wife's day to clean the house, and she does our sheets on our bed every Sunday. And so I get home last night at 2.15 after sitting on the plane forever. Didn't think about it. I just changed, jumped into bed, and woke up this morning with orange all over the pillowcase that she had just watched.

And her first words were, you better be glad you're leaving, because if not, it was not going to be pretty. Yeah, I created more. Well, yeah, that's, at least she's got something to do today. I mean, right? Oh, here we go. I'm going to send her to your house. And here's my wooden idiot, TJ.

Well, she could also work on her. TJ? Well. You know, there's that side hustle. Yeah. You get a manicure, pedicure. You got an idiot, stupid. myself right now.

Man, I love watching the track packer guys because once every year, one of them ends up sliding down the track at some point and didn't one get pretty close to hitting the wall? I didn't see anything this year. Yeah, he got hit the end of pit wall. Yeah, he about hit the end of pit wall. I think I was in the back of the suite for this

because I heard the whole suite erupt like somebody just won the masters. Yeah, because he was getting ready to, to, to, K-O the end of the, the end of pit wall. Kind of like Raja was getting ready to do that one time when he got in four. I actually thought Roger I was going to hit it, but he did a good job of getting it collected. But yeah, some of these trackbacker guys are exciting to watch. But I can't really say they're idiots because they didn't really hit anything, but it just got really close.

So no idiot. No idiot. Mr. Nice guy. Yeah, I don't really. I mean, everyone, I don't think there was anything to stood out on track this week. I mean, there was just the normal Bristol dirt stuff. There wasn't any crazy, you know, something crazy on the track. Really, really exciting stuff.

Good work. Yeah, riveting. All right, let's move on to DVC picks. Rividing. Did we get a pick from Brett or not? Yes. We can just give Brett or what an idiot. Brett pick Lagano.

He goes last. Yeah, he goes last. Somebody pick Lagano. No, he can't pick Lagano. He finally won with Christopher Bell. We are picking for Martinsville this weekend. And TJ, you go first. Can't believe I had Stenhouse.

Oh, man. Martinsville. I, Davenport, did not do me any favors here. That was a swing and a miss there. But it was worth it. Basically saved a pick. Yeah, that's what I was doing. I'll go with the guy that ended place after now is Martin Truex Jr.

Casey? I will go with. Chase isn't back this week, right? No. Josh Barry. He might be. He's probably not. I hope he is.

He could be. And you're screwed. You don't just get that car either. It's the driver. No, changing. No. Josh Perry. I will take Bubba Wallace.

And who did Brett pick? Legano. Brett picks Denny Handling. Oh, interesting. Lambert, who would you pick? Don't be TJ. No. I mean, you,

You're struggling already. Well, I want to know what happens if, say, for some instance, Chase does come back. I need to know what happens to this pick. I will tweet out my knee pick. She gets Josh Berry. She picked Josh Berry. No. No, no, no, no, no.

You pick the nine car. No? No, you don't just get to pick the car. You, like, no. She picked Josh. I picked Josh. And if Josh doesn't win the race, it's, if Josh doesn't race, she's basically out. I'm saying he's not coming back because I don't see how he would possibly come back for

Marksville. when he would want to wait for a track that's not as... Like next week, Talladega? Yeah, I'm thinking when he starts back Talladega just starts and then replace somebody replaced. I think I would just come back after Talladega. I think I would just skip Talladega too. Freddie, you picked yourself.

I had a confidence. Jinks. My driver. I've won with Bubba at BBC Picks of Bubba before. So we finally got a clean race under our belt last year when we did this. We kind of went on a little run. So hopefully we continue to do that. you're going to be home by halfway

well you still have the guy that I would have picked who is that will he be will he be yeah he's on roll I'm kind of saving him I don't want to I don't want to I'm waiting on a penalty for him you know he's going to hit a patch where he's not hot though right so I'm just I'm just worried if I I got to be careful because last year I picked Denny

and he got to disqualified so I'm worried if I pick I'm going to wait for this heat to die down on Hendrick a little bit before I pick any Hendrick cars that's true all right well heading to martinsville what can we expect as we watch from home hopefully good racing you know the martinsville packet with this new car was was pretty bad last year not not going to pull any punches there um the new package and one thing i hated about last week i felt like last week was dominated by danny's appeal colleagues appeal and we never really talked about how great that richmond race was that was a really good richmond race i thought

was good. You know, for what we've had in the past there, like, you know, during the week, the stories were not about, you know, great job by all these guys. Larson comes back from a pit road deal to win and all the stuff about Richmond. Everything was just about, you know, penalties from Richmond or appeals from before Richmond. So I hated that, but I thought Richmond was a really good race. There wasn't one dominant car. There was, you know, Denny drove from the teens almost. He probably won the stage.

Yeah. He went from at least probably 10th or 11th that stage all the way to the lead. Truey's gets up there and leads. Larson led some. There was, Larsen fell back a little bit at one point. There was just a lot of moving around, and it was actually, you know, the racetrack was pretty wide. I really enjoyed watching that Richmond race.

That was in the right direction. I'm hoping Martinsville. I hope in Martinsville trends that way too. You know, like this package was harder for them to drive at Richmond, I feel like, and hopefully that lends itself again to there. The same thing we've seen, you know, we talked about, we beat it to death on here. the shifting is an issue at Martinsville because if you make a mistake at

some of them were shifting to the dirt track last time so that's another thing too like they're shifting at a dirt track yeah i had uh chris windham was texting me during the race kind of like i rely on people like that to when they're watching the race at home to if they see something with way the track is trending or or something that they might see Bubba doing wrong like just text me and you know obviously chris and i developed a pretty good friendship so he was texting me during a race like stuff he saw and that was one of the things he's like why are these idiots shifting he's like they're never using all this power like they're that i don't understand what they're doing especially when it's slicked off really at the end but uh yeah so but like we talked about if you make a mistake

in martinsville now you just drop a gear and and get all your drive back up off the corner so you know that's gonna still suck but hopefully the racing is a little bit better hopefully it's a little more racy and we see i love this is my favorite place to go spot it's kind of where i grew up at i've won modified races there obviously me above it wants a truck race is there but i'm So this is one of my favorite places to go. It's a short drive. We get to kind of stay in our homes all week. So looking forward to it.

Hopefully it's good and hopefully it's better than it was last year at least. Yeah, I do think this package will, it's in the right direction. So let's just hope it keeps going that way. And anytime the harder these cars are to drive, the better show we get. Yeah, I think it'll be way better than last year. Trucks are there, expinity is there. So you're going to have three days, three nights of rubber being laid down. I understand it's supposed to be in 80s.

It looked really nice. Dude, when I typed in the weather, when I type in the weather, I was like, did I type in Miami? Did I hit Homestead or something? I haven't looked at it myself, but they were talking about it's going to be in the upper 70s during the day. So maybe it takes rubber, makes it definitely where you got to move around and find the clean racetrack. But hopefully it's a full weekend of great races. 70 on Friday, 40% chance of rain.

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There's plenty of stuff on there. But just go watch that video and tell me you can't, that doesn't sell you on at least getting a subscription for a month and checking it out. But I mean, it's phenomenal action on there. Absolutely. He's like his father. Oh, God. Somebody said it was like his dad's birthday or something like that. Was it? And just a reminder, the Derbysen, BBC listeners get 50% off their first month of FastPass using code DBC 23. And that's where you get to watch World of All Races, just like the one you just mentioned.

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Thank you, Lambert, for filling in for our part-timer, Brett. Hopefully he is missing us dearly. Where is Brett? Where's he at? He was in Myrtle Beach. I hope it was freezing the whole time. Oh, yeah. He couldn't make it back for the show.

I mean... Listen, he tweeted out, I haven't decided if I'm coming or not yet. So I guess he decided he wasn't coming. So it's just a choice every... I don't know. I guess he was hoping somebody was going to beg him to show up, and I don't... None of us did, so... I'm not going to be begging him, so...

Brett, hopefully we see you next week. Maybe. Maybe, yeah. I don't know. I mean, Martin's always a long narrow pit road. I mean, geez. And on that note, have a great week, guys. Word. See ya.

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