Door Bumper Clear - 287. Martinsville: Sup, I can't even F---'n talk anymore!

Episode Date: April 17, 2023

Back from a rainy weekend at Martinsville Speedway, Door Bumper Clear’s Brett Griffin, T.J. Majors and Freddie Kraft discuss NASCAR using rain tires on an oval track for the first time during the Truck Series race, why the Cup Series race product was not an improvement from last year and who the series’ biggest superstars are.In Spot On, Spot Off, the guys discuss why Rodney Childers’ comments about the lack of off weekends are warranted, question if IndyCar should have switched its start time to not conflict with Sunday’s race, how the rain tires could have been better utilized in the Truck Series race, and Sam Mayer flipping off Ryan Truex during the Xfinity Series race. Plus, the guys call for more consistent intentional wrecking penalties in What an Idiot. Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

The following is a production of Dirty Mode Media. Door, bumper, clear. Clear by two. Please really shallow entry. Door, bumper, clear. Hey, everybody. I'm T.J. Major, spotted the O2 truck, the 8xfini car, and the 6th Cup car full weekend, but not for you. Not for me.

Brett Griffin, I apologize for how much time you guys were in Martinsville to run three races. My next spotting adventure is North Wilkesboro, which I'm excited about. Until then, I am watching from home. Caldracer. No truck racing. Dude, there's a reason I quit truck racing and I actually did it during the race at Martinsville. And then when I was watching that rain delay on Friday night, I was like, this is why one of the many reasons why I stopped spotting trucks. I've told Herm now, me and Herm both in the off season said we weren't doing trucks.

Y'all are liars. And then we sold our souls for a price and now we are paying for it because this has been the most miserable truck season I can ever remember. Who drove your truck this week? I had Brad Perez in my truck this week. How'd that go? He was really, if we could have stayed on wet tires, he might have won the race. Like, he was hauling ass on wet tires for whatever reason. And then we just kind of got eaten up by.

I feel like the wet tires evened everything out. Like, because the everybody, Chris said the truck was like, we could just stop calling him wet tires for now. Let's start there. Yeah, because it wasn't wet. But, like, it still didn't, like, they were struggling for grits. but still under control. Like they were having to drive it.

Like it was actually fun to kind of watch. They wore out. Weird. Yeah. I mean, it was kind of fun. But it went better than I expected. Yeah,

by the way, I'm Freddie Crass. Oh, we were wondering who you are. I still spot for Bubba. So what's this only fans do you're starting? I don't know. Somebody suggested it on Reddit that I might.

And we're off. We might be able to sell our. What would your measurements be? I don't know. But we're probably getting fired already. I got a 48. 42, 25? I don't even know what the measurements are.

What are you talking about? Yeah. And he's a little... I don't know. Are you 5'3? I'm going to tell you something about them songs. When I was 18, 19 years old, I was singing, baby got back. And I didn't realize my anaconda was not a...

What job, Brett. Get a... Anaconda. Okay, so now that I have a... Two daughters, I hear these songs from the 80s that I thought were very innocent, fun rap songs about my snake don't want none, unless you got buns, hon. Now I realize that it's

fucking soft fucking wraps up. I got news for you. Some of the your daughters sing and even your son, I don't know how. At least they bleep out most of the words, but there's some, I remember a couple years ago,

there was some Cardi B stuff that they probably didn't need to ever hear. Yeah. There was definitely some get it. At least we knew it was dirty. These songs that we grew up listening to, they had like these innuendos in them. So, you know, 36, 24, 36, that's not.

That's not. I thought that was, I thought that was the lottery numbers. I mean, what the . So anyway, Martinville's one long, Marinsville's one long narrow pit road. Just keep on rolling at this point. Oh, boy.

All right, well, I'm Casey Boe. And, of course, back from Martinsville, we already alluded to the longest truck race ever. What do you all think of the cup race? Actually, it was one of the shortest truck races ever. I mean, yeah, depends how you look at it. I thought the cup race was awful. Do you sure?

I mean, everybody watched it, thought it was probably awful. I mean, did you watch it at home? I did. Was it boring at home? Yes. And according to Jeff Gluck's poll this morning, everybody agreed. Most people agreed that it was not very exciting. I know.

I mean, we have a topic about it later, I think. But it was just, I mean, it's the same as last year as Martin Zill races is what it is. It's kind of what we're locked into right now. It's the shifting. I mean, it's all there is to it. Like, we saw a little bit of tire fall off, but it's, it's the shift. Like there's no penalty. Like you can just miss a corner, drop a gear and take off, and you're fine. But this is a big problem. This isn't a little problem. This is a massive problem because people get

excited about Martinsville and I get excited about Martinsville and then you tune in and it's follow leader and guys stay out there with old tires and two tires and the people that are making decisions have got to wake up this morning and say we have to make a major change. The tires too wide, the downforce is too high, the horsepower is too low, the gear ratio is off, it is a complete miss. This car

has basically been a miss everywhere but road courses. I mean, like Speedway package sucks. The short track package sucks. I remember we thought it was really good at Charlotte though. Yeah, I mean last year the intermediates were good with the first couple intermediates we went through this year were not good.

Here's what Jeff Gluck said. A hot slick track is the best thing. Jeff Gluck said, From 1997, mind you, until 2015. Andrew, were you even born in 1997? No. When were you born? I was born in 2001, pretty sure. Oh, what a great song for the Gamecocks.

From 1997 to 2015, 36 of 38 Martinsville races had double-digit cautions. Of those, 16 races had at least 15 cautions. So how do we go from that to no cautions? There were like two cautions yesterday. There was two. Dummy, do you want me to tell you? Go play. We stick the cars to the track more where they don't barely wreck.

I mean, remember when guys used to wrecking qualifying and in practice and in the race by themselves without getting hit? When there was a price to pay for overstepping the line? But now you get hit and you still don't wreck. I think your guy did it in practice in Exfinity last year, didn't he? I don't know. Hammer. Daniel?

Oh, 100% of it. Yeah, we were fast. I mean, fast cars, you know, like you just overstep by a little bit. You will hop. You will hop and it's over. Like these cars, we had one spin. We had one, I don't know what happened to JJ. He pounded the fence and three.

His brakes on. I mean, his throttle stuck or something. Yeah, his throttle hung. And that was it. Harrison Burton was a caution. Maybe we, yeah, Harrison Burton. JJ was a caution and the tire that was sitting there. I didn't see how Harrison went around.

Was it by himself? I don't know. But let's talk about this tire for a second. So, and you pit. It's about as wide as his tire? You pit? I don't know when you. pit like in that cycle but we were out there so we're I'm like I'm just thinking like holy you know we

just need a caution somehow some way oh yeah and I see the 78 slow down the front you know he's sideways through three and four I can't see the right side of the car obviously so I just assume he's got a right rear flat so I said 78 slow maybe have a flat look for debris Bubba says there's a fucking tire in the restart zone oh yeah in my mind I thought there's a tire carcass in the restart zone Like I thought, you know, 78 cut a tire, you know, the carcass is laying there. So I go down to start telling Sacco and Coleman, who's also looking for the same caution, Presley, he's down there going, there is a tire in the restart zone. And I'm like, what do you? Like, yeah, tire carcass, I get it.

So the yellow comes out because we can't see it because it was up against the wall. And no, there was an entire tire laying there for probably three laps. I wrote college essays in less time than it was. I can tell you exactly how long it was there to because I went back and timed it out. Okay. I saw the tire come off. And we're in the middle of our pit stop. 39 seconds.

Wow. So what was the reasoning? Give or take, a second. Because of people who were on pit road? I would have, so from my understanding, and I don't have access to the second NASCAR channel, which they do a lot of their communications on. But it's one or why. It sounded like guys on pit road, the pit road officials who can look out and see the wall.

Because from the tower, you couldn't see it. Like it was up against the outside wall. You wouldn't be able to see that. But we have corner spotters. We have a fucking flag man standing there. Now, I don't know if the flag man's allowed to call it. Like, he just can't, obviously he can't just throw the yellow. It has to get directed from the tower to throw the yellow.

Okay, well, how dumb is that? That is pretty dumb. So if you're in your Tuesday debrief, when they go through their race and say, what could we have done better, don't you think you should give the people in the tower that are holding the flag, an opportunity to throw a caution in the event they deem it necessary? See something like that, that's that unsafe? Why do you have a flagman that can't throw a caution at his discretion? It doesn't make any sense.

We know for a fact that he can. not throw the flag unless the tower tells him to throw the flag. Yeah. So why do we even have a flagman up there to start with? Just have lights. Just flip the lights on. We don't need a flag man anymore. So I saw the tire come on.

I literally saw it bounce. And I was worried when I saw it come off and I saw the 78 start to wiggle and go up the track. And he did come down the front stretch and you couldn't really see the right side. But I thought the tire was initially going to bounce pretty high and somebody's going to hit it. But then I thought it was on top of the safer barrier somewhere because we were in the middle of a pit stop. So I'm hollering on the radio. Like there's a tire on the track. We need a caution because if you're in your pit stall and the caution comes out,

you're pretty much going to cycle the lead of the race. Yeah. So the 9-9 was going into three leading the race and we're finishing the left-side tires. And we were pitted in turn one. I think we were going to be just fine. We would have not lost a lap because he came around and lapped us. So we wouldn't have lost a lap. But I hear you, TJ, and I know how selfish we all get in a moment.

but my problem is not, I don't care who inherits the lead. My problem is if that tire gets hit, that tire is sitting still. Oh, it should have been a caution no matter what. If it gets hit at the right time or the wrong time, depending upon how you look at it, buy another car, that tire is going straight up in the air. Where is it going to land? Well, I'm going to say either it's going to go in the grandstands or it's going to go and bounce down on pit road where all the pit stalls are.

I don't. There's not a lot of walls there. You said 39 seconds. That's 37 seconds too long. It's two lapses. was on television. Listen, television put it on, and then they left. They came back to it again.

It's like they left because they were like, we don't want to burn them down here. They came back and they still didn't throw it. Like, you have people looking at monitors. You have people looking at the racetrack. Allegedly, officials were calling it in from pit road. Obviously, teams are calling it. Drivers are calling it.

The flagman could see it or not see it. I don't know. I would think he could see it. I would assume he could see it. I mean, he's looking. You have two guys in a flag stand. One's looking at turn four and one's looking at turn one. this was an epic fail.

Oh, I mean, it can't get any worse than that. I mean, I know there's been debris out there. And, you know, we've talked about on here where there's entertainment cautions or whatnot. Like, you obviously, that's race altering caution because it's in the middle of a pit cycle, but that does not matter. Like, it should not even be considered. I mean, it killed us, but it still doesn't matter. Yeah, like it shouldn't even be.

It doesn't matter. And I'm sorry for that. But to me, this was. I'd say the same thing if I was on the other side. I mean, it's a caution, no matter what. It's a caution immediately. What is the delay for? So, Freddie, I know, obviously we know what T.J. was doing, but when you know that there's a tire out, do you, and you know there's a caution, do you guys automatically, had you had already pitted at that point?

No, we had kind of, we were running good. Bubba sped on pit road, and we were kind of mired back around 20th, the rest of the race, basically. And we were probably going to finish 15th, 20th, 15th on a good day, 20th was more likely. So we, I guess, you know, they made the decision. to run as long as we can and hope to catch a caution kind of like you saw like the nine and the 34 do at uh richmond and we caught the caution luckily so then we pit and restarted the top 10 and ran ninth basically the rest of the race um which is another talk about the race you know like it didn't matter where you wherever you came out and you know re strug out on restart that's where

you're going to run basically for the rest of the day so yeah but uh it was just that was just completely completely unacceptable i mean i i was shocked when i saw when i heard bubba say tire I was like, well, I didn't think about it. The thought of actually being a full-blown mounted tire never even crossed my mind because I'm like, there's no way we're running around here for two laps with a tire over there. A wheel and a tire. Yeah. It was a full-blown, like just.

Oh, no, I bounced off. Like, I saw it. I was bouncing. I was surprised it actually stayed there. I mean, they got lucky. I'm just glad it was out of the way enough. Nobody hit it. See, so it didn't bounce too far as because he was already a pretty.

What's a wheel in a tire way these days? 80 pounds, 70 pounds? No, it's lighter because it's aluminum wheel, I think. Yeah. I mean, I'm not going to tell you. If that thing hits you doing five-mile-hour, it's going to knock you over. It's going to feel like it's a thousand pounds. Yeah.

I don't know. He was in the middle of three and four, so he was a pretty low speed, and he had just started to throttle up, so he wasn't carrying a lot of speed. And he just went out to the wall, and it popped off like the last half carling to the wall. It, like, popped off and bounced a little bit, and then I lost sight of it.

So this car at Super Speedways is horrible. This car at Martinsville is horrible. Short tracks, all short tracks. It's horrible. I mean, Richmond was maybe one of the better Richmond races, but it still wasn't great. It's only because of a tire wear. There was probably maybe a 5% improvement. I mean, there was a little bit of improvement, I think, from last year, from last year.

But we need like 70. Like if we saw it at Richmond, we will see it at Wilkesboro. If the tires wear out, the racing will be good. Yesterday, the tires didn't wear out. Ross stayed out on, I don't even know how many laps he had on a 30-40-something laps. and he was able to hold on for 20. I mean, the tires made a difference after 20 laps that a couple of guys got him,

but he still cycled back. He went from getting lapped to finishing six. Look at Lugano. Lugano fought to stay on the lead lap all day. He got lapped. And then as soon as he cycled back to the lead, he's in position to win the race. Larsson gets around and he finishes second.

You know, but like... Stenhouse. Preece is the dominant car for the first stage, like, you know, untouchable. You know, speeds on pit road at the lap, you know, halfway through the second stage. you never see him again the rest of the day um you know him and legano we're back he got he was even he was better than legano he passed him and kept going but um yeah but still he was getting to 20th yeah he

he was 15 20th on a bet on a good day uh but briscoe is another one that was looked like he was in position to win the race i'm assuming he lost your acquisition on that pit cycle never heard from him again you know it's just it was just wherever you shook out off a pit road and the best cars don't always end up at the front at martin's hill but the best drivers do yeah and that Now it's not the best cars are the best drivers. It's literally tracked. The only car. Joey Lugano got lap twice and he still ended up what?

Second. Were you taking a nap a minute ago? No, actually. We just said that. Sorry. I was, yeah. Get your glove on. There's a game going on over here if you want to play.

Hey, Brett. Joey got laped twice. He has been to Millbridge. Like you saw it like, and it was weird because there was no, there was no Dominic. Like, you know, we've been the years past, like, Jimmy Johnson wore us everybody out at Martinsville. Like the only guy that was noticeably deep, like at one point yesterday,

Bowman, I'm like, this guy is going to lap the field. Like he was driving through the pack, passing cars, and all of a sudden, he just disappeared. Like,

Sun came out and never saw him again. He took off. He drove up to the lead. I'm like, oh, Danny's going to kick our ass here. They changed louvers during a pit stop, I think.

Denny goes back. The only car that I know was noticeably great all day was, I think, the four. And then they had a wheel ball off. Yeah. You got a wheel brake. Bubba said, but it was weird,

Because Bubba, we came off a four and Bubba said, go find Josh. I think their lug nut just flew off. And I was like, what? Because we were behind Loanie. He's like, we got the, off of four. I saw a lug nut fly off of something. He's like, I think it was the 12, but it was the four right in front of the 12, I guess. But like Bubba saw it right there.

No lug nut and the wheel separated. So I don't know what they never really said. That's another guy that I really expected more of. Normally it's Truex, Blaney. He started deep. He was actually decent. All the Penske cars were, I mean, Joey was getting lapped. The two was, I mean, terrible.

The two got sent early on. I don't know if it mess his car up, but the 43 sent. It was bad in practice. Yeah, it was pretty bad all week. Yeah. One other thing I wanted to bring up, I don't know if you noticed. Joey Lugano. You got laughed twice.

Based off of... Did Joy Lugano ever get a lap? So, sorry, because I was looking at something Andrew sent me. Sorry. To answer your question, Lugano finished second. Yeah. So, whatever, Andrew. I don't know if you guys know this because NASCAR didn't really publicize it, but Chase Elliott was back this week.

I didn't hear that. I couldn't tell. I mean, what did you all think? I saw a ton of comments about how it was a little mean. I mean, they had a whole TV spot for Chase Elliott. What did you all think? I can say that if I was NASCAR, I would have done the exact same thing. Yeah, why wouldn't you?

Because the week that Chase Elliott took off, we lost a half a million viewers and hadn't gotten them back. and we'll see what this numbers look like. But we're literally down a half a million viewers every week since Chase Elliott's been out. So if I was NASCAR, I would have ran more commercials. I would have been the Chase Elliott Cup series this week for all I was concerned. I mean, they ran it through pre-race. And you know what? Chase was 15, 20th, like, all day.

And then he did a deal at the end and he was top with the top 10. He was really good at the end. Like, he was better than us. He did a good job, yes. We were down 16% potentially because of one guy. if that's the case, you better get some more guys. And I think that's the problem with the ratings. There's so many things wrong with our sport from a ratings perspective.

My number one thing is these stage breaks. I love them because they pay points. I hate them because they change the flow of the race. Like yesterday, the end of stage one, Lugano got lapped, Ross, that the hell melon guy is about to get lapped. Like people are actually starting to pass 80 laps into this race, and we throw a caution and we stop the race. But when you have Jeff Gordon, Dale Jr., Casey Kane,

Jimmy Johnson, Tony Stewart, I could keep going. Those are all Hall of Fame guys, superstars in one race. You have a lot of eyeballs watching the race. Tell me who your superstars are right now. I don't mean any offense to these guys that are buckling in every week, even the ones that are listening right now. But who are your legitimate superstars in the race right now? because I've always been in the belief that the 80-20 rule applies.

80% of the fans pull for 20% of the drivers, which is an old marketing term. Who are our 20% of the drivers, which would be roughly six guys? Who are our six biggest guys? And are they equivalent to the ones I just said? Yeah. Well, no.

But here's what I don't understand. I like Chase. There's nothing against Chase. What the hell does he do to be a superstar? because his personality, like, do you ever see a personality out of Chase Elliott? Like, what is he doing to Garner? Like, I think there's way more personality out of a guy like Danny or Harvick

that I would have thought people would gravitate towards more, but Chase is just a name. And people, that's all that, like... He's been the most popular driver for how many years now? But Kevin Harvick was more popular 10 years ago than he is now because Kevin Harvick had a personality 10 years ago. And now he doesn't either. Yeah.

But I mean, what, like, what do you do? Because it's, what is Chase doing? Like, what is? Kevin Harvick comes out with a personality last year. He comes out with a T-shirt, making fun of parts. Happy, crappy parts or whatever his T-shirts. I don't remember, but it was funny. But the next week he got in trouble.

So you think he's going to make another T-shirt? That's the thing. We talked about this last week. You know, these guys can't be themselves. Like, you can't even be honest with anybody because you're going to get a penalty. You're going to get a point. Y'all can figure out how you want to think. I'm telling you right now, if one.

guy is bringing 16 to 17% of your ratings. You better go get some more guys. But how? How do you get more guys? Don't find them 50 grand for saying they wrecked somebody on purpose maybe? But I mean, that goes back to even what it takes to become. I should not even 50 grand, 50 points. What was it? 25 points. 25,000. 75 grand. No, I think it was 50 grand. 50,000, 25 points. So looking at the up-and-coming drivers, is there anybody that you envision see being the future? There's a bunch of guys. I said, here's the, here's the, weird part about life right now. My little boy is 10 years old. He's a decent athlete. He loves sports. I cannot get him to watch a broadcast of anything. It doesn't matter if it's a race. It doesn't matter

if it's MLB, NFL, NBA. It doesn't matter. He will get in my car. And instead of watching a live sporting event on my iPad, which he can do because of technology, he watches other people play video games. That's how weird this world is. So instead of watching a NASCAR race, which I would have been doing it 10 years old, instead of watching the NFL, he's watching TJ play NBA

on an Xbox. Well, he's going to be sadly disappointed. What the what the what are you doing, kid? Like this, and so this, so when you say, how do we grow our fan base, well, I don't know, how do you get my 10 year old to watch the race instead of watching other people play a video game? I'll tell you how you don't do it,

is by prohibiting him from going, to the racetrack for five hours or going to the garage for five hours yesterday. Oh, man. I hate even, I'm pissed off of you. You even brought that up. So I wanted to take Bodie to the racetrack. I'm really glad. I don't know what you're talking about. I do. I wanted to take Bodie to the racetrack yesterday. Okay. I've never had the opportunity to take Bodie to the racetrack. And that's a true story. People say, well, yeah, you could take him any time. Listen, Bodie went to the racetrack when he was a kid and he would go to Elliot's bus and he would hang out with Elliot's kids. Elliot would take him on pit road.

get his picture made, boom, off he goes. He never went with his dad to the racetrack because I was working. I worked before the race. I worked during the race, and after the race, I haul ass. Okay? So I decided this weekend I was going to take Bodie to Martinsville. And I pulled the schedule out and it says minors prohibited. Well, I was like, surely, and I'm not looking to be privileged, quote, privileged, right?

But I'm like, surely that doesn't mean of someone with a hard card, i.e. me, can't take their child. i.e. boaty into the racetrack for a couple hours to hang out. In an ideal world, get him there at 1 o'clock, let him tool around the infield, let him see some drivers, let him look at race cars. You know, at 2.30, we go up in the stands. We watch the start.

We watch stage one. If he gets bored, do we leave? If he doesn't get bored, do we stay for the whole thing? But I could not take him into the pit area or garage area. So guess what? We didn't go. Yeah. And that's, you know, obviously getting a high pass isn't for everybody.

like you can't just go buy a hot pass but like this boatie's what 10 11 this is for any minor so you got a 17 year old kid that gets a hot pass he's not allowed to walk in the same for Bristol I believe too because of and it's short track stuff because there's no cold passes but like I don't get it like you want to we need to grow the sport we need to attract younger fans but now like why would a sponsor bring his kids you know we also need sponsors obviously sponsors can't bring their kids in like

we you know it's just i don't that doesn't make any sense to we ran into it last year with a sponsor and especially like the timing was like 10 to 3 i think you said right something like that like so they're allowed in there after 3 while the race is going on no like definitely not so one when are they supposed to get the chance to see their drivers and you know what i mean like man i i told freddie you know when when he and i were talking about this i was like man i would open that gate is start finish line. And I would let whoever wants to come on that racetrack before the race come on the racetrack.

Would I let them in the garage? No. Would I let them on pit road? No. But would I let them on the racetrack? Yeah. 100% I would because the cool thing they do that. They do that.

Well, good. They should. Because from there you can literally see everything. But they shouldn't be petitioned off. They should better go wherever they want on the racetrack. Yeah, they open up for the, I believe the whole front stretch. I'm sure they probably block it down in one or something like that. Yeah.

They do open it up because there's a lot of fans at the gate. They should. They should. But we've got to figure out how. and this is as a sport, we got to figure out how to have superstar mainstream status guys. And right now we don't have any. As biggest Chase Elliott is in our world, he's not big in any other world. And when our biggest driver in the sport, whether it be Richard Petty, Dale Earnhardt, you know, Jeff Gordon, Dale Jr., I mean, I could keep going.

Whoever the generational guy was, they were mainstream. People were putting them in songs. They were putting them in music videos. They were putting them in Saturday Night Live skits. not there right now. And we as a sanctioning body, which we aren't the sanctioning body, they are the sanctioning body. They as a sanctioning body have got to figure out how you grow back into mainstream because for whatever reason, we're not right now. Did y'all see who won yesterday? What? Tony won't. Tony won't, didn't he? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, he did? Dude, Tony Stewart won an NHRA race?

Yeah, how badass is that? Is he driving a funny car? What's he driving? No, he's running like top alcohol or something like yeah but i mean still man it's one of lower ones but still it's pretty impressive dude everything he gets in just like he's one of them guys he can go from car to car you know of course it's tony stewart i think he's one of the greatest drivers to ever do it like probably top five in my opinion um but one thing i did it seems to me and it just could be coincidence it could like you don't see tony around the racetrack much anymore with stewart hoss and it feels like his involvement over there is is dwindled in the last couple of years when he started this deal

and that could be a result obviously they were pretty good yesterday but they have been down the last couple of years and you know i don't know if that's a direct relation to that i feel like tony kind of got his feelings hurt when they pulled el dora off the schedule because he started or was a part of starting srx yeah i agree i feel like all the timing is like srx starts we don't renew el dora as a truck race tony stewart disappears from nascar but obviously he's doing some tv stuff Knoxville, Bristol Dirt. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. He is at, he will be on TV this weekend for the broadcast, which I think is a good thing. I think he brings a lot to those things. I don't remember how many times he won Daytona rode an Xfinity car. It was like four. Yeah. I feel like every time he got into the XFedity race, he won. Yeah.

It was an Oreo car. Yeah. I remember when I first started spotting for Del Jr., we went to Daytona. The Bush race was always... What was your first year spot in Del Jr.? Well, I did the last 10 races at DEI, so whatever. Was that 07, 06, 07-ish? I don't know.

One of them. I don't remember. But were you born yet, Andrew? I was born in 07, yeah, by that time. How old were you? Two. Like six. Yeah.

Were you watching NASCAR yet? No. No, no. I wasn't. What were you doing at 6 years old? I don't know. I don't remember. I remember 6-year-old zoo?

Yeah. If you don't remember being 6 now, you damn sure I don't remember when you get my age. What was your cartoons when you were little? Like Disney Shur. Joe's. I don't know any shows. Dude, the Jetsons and the Flintstones were. No, that's way before.

Oh, no, you didn't know who they are. I did see the Smurfs are still a thing. Really? Yeah. Oh, I just saw that. You know who I saw? Oh, God. Oh, no, else I saw.

The little construction guys in the background. Yeah. I saw them like, what show is that? And they're like, that was Fraggle Rock. Fraggle Rock. Yeah, and I saw these little construction guys. I liked Heeman. He man.

He man was a great cartoon. Tom and Jerry. Yeah. You ever heard of He Man? I've heard of it. I've not seen it though. One more topic. Brett, did you watch?

Did you watch pre-race by chance yesterday? Pre-race? No chance. Not enough to be able to give you any. There was a segment on Hendrick and how Martinsville is just such an iconic track. And they did a reenactment of Rick Hendrick and that time frame of when, I mean, they were about to shut down before they won that last race or that race years ago now. but I was really impressed with how Fox, you know, put the fan, like, kind of in that time to see what they went through.

I don't know how often they do that, but, I mean, I still think about that one segment because it was really cool to. I miss that. Yeah, it was awesome to see how. Who won the race that was impactful? Oh, my gosh. It was a. I didn't watch any pre-reras. I can't remember that.

Joy LaGano was two laps down, though. Do know that. And he finished second. All right, let's do this spot-on, spot-off. A lot of twos in that. A lot of twos in that. We've been telling you for years now that racingUSA.com is door bumper clear's go-to store for the latest and greatest officially licensed NASCAR merchandise.

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Sets that aren't sold or running out. If you want one, I wouldn't wait around. Spot on, spot off. Spot off. Spot on. Yeah, spot all. It was super fun. yesterday to ride her out, Marion.

I am spot off. Damn. Where did he come from? First topic, Ronnie Childers, among other industry members, calls for more than one off week in the 38 race NASCAR season, and I am 100% spot on. Freddie. Well, unfortunately, we can't talk about this because all I read is that how privileged we are to have our jobs and we should be thankful.

Every person, almost, I almost, every, I tweet, I, I tweet, I, too. I tweeted about this and I just got, you know, oh, you're lucky to have your job. You shouldn't complain. You should try my schedule. Oh, I'm sure their schedule's harder than mine. Listen, there's people that, listen, here's the deal. Fact is my schedule is not hard. Like, it's not hard.

But I don't, I still want more than one week off between February 15th and November 5th. Like, we literally have one weekend off. And that, like I said, our schedule, my schedule is pretty wide open during a week. I got some meetings I got to go to. you know, I tool around with couch racing maybe here and there and do this podcast. That's what my weekly schedule is. So you have a lot of time to give me some stickers. Yeah, well, and as soon as we just got to get Brett to read text in the morning, we can get that done.

But the road crew guys. You guys aren't priority in my life because y'all didn't know that. We know. Yeah, we're done with truck racing. So. Neither is truck racing. That's what I'm saying. We.

Okay then. Freddie. Freddie wants more weekends off. Yeah. I mean, who doesn't? Like, it's just, I don't know. You interrupted me so many times. I lost my train of thought.

So the road crew, the guys that are always at the top. Explain to me this. Would more people want to go to a race on Father's Day or Mother's Day? Father's Day. Why do we have Father's Day off and we race on Mother's Day? Thank you. I don't. Why do we race on Easter?

Not one time did I wake up. Not one time did I wake up my 40s. seven years of living with my mom and be able to be like, Mom, you want to go to the racetrack for Mother's Day? I would love to take Bodie to the racetrack on Father's Day. But we're... Oh, boy. To get back to schedules, like...

I love Darlington. I'm just not going to... I guess I'll just stop talking. Yeah. I mean... Freddie, I love... Do we need a razor? Can you just raise your...

If he would hurry the fuck up and make a point, I would let him keep talking. I can't fucking talk! Freddie, would you like to go first? No, I'm good. I do love Darlington, though. What the fucking Starlinkton got to do with it? Because we race our Mother's Day. Okay, great.

Okay. Freddie, what were you talking about? Nothing. I wasn't talking about nothing. TJ, spot on, spot off. Welcome to the Brett Griffin hour. Whatever you need, Brett. I was off last week. I got a lot to say.

We know. I kind of like the Olympics to come back during the summer. That's nice. I put out my notes. Like, that was the best year ever. I mean, honestly, I was like two in a row. And then by the end of that second weekend, you're ready, like, you're ready to go back to work.

and it was a good break. It was like, okay, I'm office again. And then beginning of the next week, like, what am I going to do this weekend? It was so weird. I mean, you remember it. Like, it was weird, but honestly, it was kind of nice. So, Brett, different take. We know some of the reasons why NASCAR has so many race weekends.

We run throughout the year. We're the longest season of any sport. You know, what can be changed or what do you think would help make things better? when it comes to the financial part of it, the marketing, the sponsors, obviously we know why of certain cases, but what can we do to fix it? We're a 38-week schedule. Right. Okay, 36 paypoints.

The other two are exhibitions. I don't care for the exhibitions anymore. I feel like when you look at the NFL, there are four preseason games, are to get players an opportunity to prove they belong on the team. And they're there to kind of get fans excited. The season's coming. I feel like we can just dive into the Daytona 500 and almost do better. So if we were a 36-week schedule, I would say we race 10 weeks, we take a week off,

we race 10 weeks, we take a week off, we race six weeks, we take a week off, and then we do a 10-run week for the playoffs. So that would give us three weekends off over the course of 39 weeks, right? I think that will be pretty cool. But I still think when you look at the holidays, and listen, I had people tweet at me this last week. We don't care about Easter, okay? Well, I don't care that you don't care about Easter because I live in the South. And then Easter is a big deal in the South.

There's a lot of Baptist and a lot of Presbyterian and a lot of Methodist people that Easter is one of the biggest weekends of the year to be a family and to do things with their family. And when you race in Bristol, Tennessee, which, oh, by the way, is in the South, You're asking for everybody to forfeit their Easter Sunday and their Easter weekend to come to the racetrack. I'm telling you right now, I don't care of Bristol's dirt, I don't care of it's concrete, I don't care if it's asphalt, I don't care if they paint it purple. People don't care. It's Easter weekend in the South. I'm not, if you want to go race somewhere else and try it on Easter weekend, then by all means go

and see if you can sell out Phoenix or Fontana or Sonoma or Texas or wherever the hell else we can go. But I'm telling you right now, to race in the South on Easter weekend is the dumb as shit we do all year. Do you think that would also help with ratings overall? I don't know because people are at home on Easter with nothing to watch. So from a ratings perspective and I saw Ben Kennedy's comments about, you know, this was part of the big makeover of the schedule and this is part of us trying new stuff and going new places and blah, blah, blah, putting dirt on racetracks. So like, what else is on, the masters? Are race fans and golf fans one of the same? in general, I say no, but the Masters is like the Daytona 500.

People are going to watch it that are not golf fans. So I don't know the answer to the question, but here's the thing. If you're, if you don't, I feel like we're to the point where people like Rodney should be able to take a few weekends off. If the schedule sucks and you only get one weekend off, and listen to me, me. The schedule sucks. We only get one weekend off. We should be to the point that if TJ wants to take three weekends off with his family, he should be able to line up a spotter of equal caliber and be able to do that. Same for Rodney. Like, they should be able to build enough

depth because if the starting forward, I mean, Dennis Rodman point blank, Michael Jordan said it. Dennis Rodman point blank said, I'm taking a few games off and he went to Vegas and he missed like a week of basketball games. Well, somebody had to play. So in our sport, these teams should be able to get enough depth to keep Rodney happy because Rodney at some point is going to say, I've had enough of this. I ain't doing this next year, which is what happened to me last year. It was Easter weekend on the roof at Bristol, when I came on the show on Monday and I said, I'm telling you all right now, I won't be at Bristol dirt track on Easter next year. Guess what? I wouldn't. So at some point, the teams have to get enough depth to be able to keep people,

I don't literally mean like me, but like me who have a lot of experience who would love to keep racing, but I'm not going to do it with this schedule. It's too hard. But I didn't know fans said we were privileged, Freddie. Oh, yeah. I'm surprised. You just block everybody who says that? Yeah, so he just, they're not on his timeline anymore.

Got it. You good? You get most of your stuff out now? You start talking. I'm probably going to talk about talking. That was about 10 minutes of you. But yeah, I don't listen. It's just the fact that we run 20 consecutive weeks to end the season, I think, is outrageous.

Like, the fact, why don't we have a week off? at least before the playoffs start to build momentum to the playoff. Like we just, like we just roll into the playoffs and it's just another week, essentially. Obviously, they do some media stuff, but it would be nice to have a week for the teams themselves. And what I was getting ready to say is early, like my schedule is not hard. Like the spotter schedule, if you're not working in the shop, the shop guys, they have Monday off. That's it, I think. And that's probably not guaranteed every week if they got to hustle and do some other stuff.

So these guys are working Tuesday to Thursday probably nonstop. They probably have Friday off for a travel day. or they're at the racetrack working probably they might have Tuesday Thursday off for a travel day but like this to not even give these guys a chance to catch their breath before the biggest 10 races of the year just seems ridiculous to me those moments where like Rodney has kids he's probably and there and to Brett's point there is some teams that do that I know I think is the 11 team gives all their guys a week off I know Lambert took one off last year to go I

think I forget it was Sonoma there's enough road courses on the schedule where you should be able to, like we should be able to take a week off. Like they're not, not to, not to diminish our jobs, but some of the road courses stuff like we don't really need to be there. Like Cota, we're doing one turn. Like we're out, you know, the main spotter, the primary spotter is doing one corner at Cota. So, you know, but to your point, there are guys like, we see these crew chiefs get suspended all the time and and they're, you know, they, they seem to, the Hendrick didn't really miss a beat. They have great guys, Kevin meandering, you know, their engineering staff over there, they can jump right in and seem not skip a beat.

So yeah, but you shouldn't have to do that. There should be more than a week off across 39, 40 weeks, whatever it is for the year. Moving on, the NASCAR and IndyCar races overlap this weekend with each race starting within 30 minutes of each other. Spot on, spot off, TJ. Oh, I'm spot off still. I'd like to see him separate a little bit. I didn't get to see any of the IndyCar race, but I saw, who won.

Who won? Kind of a surprise winner. I think it was Kyle Kirkwood. So I actually did a 25th race with him a couple years ago. So you paved his way to success? Yeah, right in there. Yeah. Just like Dales.

Yeah, definitely. He was holding back. He held me back. But yeah, I don't know. I think it'd be nice to split it up a little bit. I don't care. As a NASCAR fan, as an IndyCar fan, I'm spot off because why would you take people who,

like racing, like myself, who would casually tune in. And I do casually tune in. Do I catch every IndyCar race? No. Do I watch Indy 500? Yes. Do I know who the Kirkwood guy is? No.

But maybe if you didn't run the race right in the middle of the NASCAR race yesterday, I would have casually tuned in or followed on Twitter or something, and you would have peaked my interest. But where were they even at? They were somewhere cool, right? California. Yeah. So, I mean, for me, this is a miss for IndyCar and whoever their network partner is

because you miss an opportunity, A, to have our industry talking about your race because our drivers do watch. They do engage social media as it's going on. Race fans all watch. If there's racing on, you're watching it. There's very few things that Roger Penske does wrong. So I don't know how I could sit here and say he's wrong in this, but he's wrong in this. But Freddie's more upset about something else, I think. Oh, that was, I was saving that from my one idiot because I knew you were going to, I'll save that for later. But my notes were exactly the same as yours. Like, first of all, I don't care. Like, that's their problem. You know, they, they, they, why are they going against us?

us like we they would be us like us expecting to go at one o'clock on a Sunday in the fall and beat the NFL like it's just not going to happen uh so it's a president like the NASCAR side who cares they're that they they just but I mean there might be I'm just thinking on the other side here there might be things with the street course they have to be done by a certain time or whatever I don't know but I would have liked to have watched it I'd like you said if you're if you're a race fan you tune in all sorts of like different things whatever's on and I saw one of the better Indycar races at Texas, those guys were saving fuel. We were sitting at Richmond, and it was perfect. We were watching the IndyCar race, and those guys were, it was a great race at the end there when they were saving fuel trying to pass each other and stuff. I don't remember what year they went to Fontana, like maybe 2012 or something. It was the best race I've ever seen in my life. I'm talking of all the thousands of races I watched.

I was sitting at a bar just mesmerized by how great it was, and all the drivers got out saying, we'll never do that again. It was too dangerous. I don't blame them. Damn, that was awesome. You know how fast that Spenometer reads for, remember when he used to read the Cups? You can't read speedometers anymore because I blurt out on the N-Car cameras.

How about an IndyCar into one? What do you think that screen was saying? No, thanks. That probably didn't work. Didn't register. Yeah. That was an awesome race. Anyway, Indiccar, what are you thinking?

What are you doing? I never know what they're doing. We're going to mention Indycar again, did they? Oh, I can only imagine. Moving on, NASCAR's SVP of competition, Elton Sawyer says there... Did you say sup? I said SVP. I said SVP.

I said SUV. I said SUV. NASCAR's SVP of competition, Elton Sawyer said there were a lot of things that we learned. I thought the way we executed getting the wets on, that worked out well. After the truck race started with wet weather tires, making it the full. first oval race to start with this tire compound. Spot on, spot off. Freddie, you clearly already have your hands up.

The only thing that was executed well was the guys actually putting the tires on the trucks. That was about it. Like, this was a joke. I don't know. Like, I have so many thoughts about this. I have so many notes. First of all, it worked out well because we ran wet weather tires on a dry racetrack. Like, what was going to go wrong there aside from the tires?

out, which happened. The track was literally, I sent Brett a picture as we were going green. I would say the track was 90% dry. It probably would have took another 15, 20 minutes to just run a jet around there. If we had a choice, I would have started on slicks. Yeah. Yeah. Like if they gave the team the choice until the drivers go out there and check the track, what do you think you want to run tires? Slicks or, you know, they would all run slicks. They would, every one of them would have said, well, we're going to run the slicks. So this whole deal, I don't know. We, we, We talked out here before, we looked like we had no idea what we were doing. Like this, like throw the wets on there.

Okay, we run 20 laps. After about five, the track was 100% dry, but we just ran 20, I guess probably to just say we did it. And then we throw a caution, come down pit road. Pit road's still soaking wet. So we have a non-competitive pit stop, which I think was right. Then we run another that, I think by the time we were done with all that, there was seven or eight laps left into stage. So we burned about 15 laps there somehow.

Then we start to stage two. The yellow comes out. We're starting stage two. We run 16 laps under caution while we drive-pit road. That was bad as a viewer. 16 of 50. So we're just riding around, wasting time. Then it starts raining again.

Thank God it stops. We didn't have to come back the next day because we wasted so much time. Like there's so many different alternatives to this. First of all, if we have a wet, weather tires. Let's try running them in the wet, like a crazy idea. I don't know. Like, go out there, take two passes around the track with the tundras, blow the standing water off, and let's go racing. Like, why are we drying the track 90% of the way and then saying, all right, let's fire these wets on here and have at it, boys. Like, what the hell are we doing? Like, we could have saved 30 minutes

there, or we could have saved 30 minutes later if we just dried the track. Just take 10, 15 more minutes, a couple hours with the damn jets, dry the racetrack the rest of the way, and go green with the slicks and not have to worry about non-competitive pit stops and I think they should have. I think at the end of that stage, they should have said, okay, we just did this. We just had an entire race with non-competitive pit stops in Texas. They just, hey, here's the yellow guys. Pit Road is wet. It's unfair for some guys.

Some guys, boxes are underwater. Some guys aren't. We're going to continue with non-competitive pit stops until we get this pit road straightened out. But instead, we ride around for 16 laps. Are you done yet, Brett? What the hell are we doing? I mean, damn. Well, somebody's got to talk because I know you're not going to.

I, on the other hand. And Brett wasn't there. I do think, I do think, well, one good thing about the rain was it gave me a chance to. There's nothing good about the rain. Well, if you would shut up for a second. One good thing about the rain was, is it gave me a chance to fire up my Dirt Vision app. And I got to watch the outlaws practice and qualify and then some heat race stuff, which was entertaining because I 55 is a great racetrack. It is a great race track.

You sorry yet? I mean, I'm never sorry. I promise you that. I do think there's a lot of adjustments. I don't think it was a complete failure. I think there was a lot of adjustments. We could have probably started earlier. You don't think that was a complete failure.

I think they learned a lot. I mean, you can't. What do they learn? I would much rather have it that way than go into turn one and barrel 15 trucks into each other. Would we have that? Have you seen Coda? We do it in a dry.

We could do it in the wet. I definitely feel like we could, there's the pit road thing. The pit road thing can definitely just stay wet and have competitive stops, or not competitive stops. But it definitely feel like we could have went 30 minutes earlier in what we did. But how do you like the mud flaps? Great. I ain't got muddy. So, like, I mean, like we, what the hell's going on with these things?

Like John Hunter just burned his car to the ground. The track? The track. The track. Everything. Like. He texted me yesterday. Isn't that the second one? He's like, man, don't kill me about this burnout deal.

I was like, I loved it. I thought it was great optics. I'm sure that JGR's upset you burned a car to the ground. I think the best was the fact that he had the sponsor that was putting out the fire. That was pretty good. Any other time, the cars on fire, they can't wait to get out. When they calls the fire, they're like, oh, that's fine. My car's on fire.

I mean, it used to be where the guy would do a burnout. Sometimes there would be a little bit of tire rubber there burning, and then it would go out pretty quick. Now we can just engulf these. I think we just burn them down. those off. I'm spot on for the fact that we had an opportunity to start the race sooner because we had a wet tire option. I'm spot off for the fact that we did it with it dry. I'm spot on for the fact that we had a second and a half of tire fall off while this tire was on the car. And I almost

think we should have run that tire the rest of the race instead of running the slicks because it was a better race with the freaking wet tire on even when it was dry than when we went to the slicks. And everybody, you know, kind of did what they do there. So the trucks. series in general, I don't think we need live pit stops anymore in this series. I got a idea. Well, we just run rain tires in the cup cars all the time. That'd be fine. That's what I'm saying.

We had tire fall off. We had passing. We had some strategy plan out. But I don't know that I ever need to see another live pit stop in the truck series. And if you're a tire changer or a jackman or whatever, I'm sorry if that takes money out of your pocket. But at the end of the day with these races, like, I don't think we need them. Yeah, I mean, they literally just had her.

I didn't watch the race in Texas. but I mean if anybody watched the race Texas, did it take away from the product on the racetrack that there was no live pit stops out there? Listen, again, I don't want to see anybody lose their job, but Saturday night was a Friday night, like the pit road was not fair. You know, it was unfair.

There was water running out of the wall to some boxes, not others. Yeah, there was a lot of water. Like when you have a situation like that, I mean, we are riding around there for 16 laps trying to dry it off instead of just saying, hey guys, we're going to come down pit road, non-competitive pit stop. You're off pit two laps and your back.

racing again. Dry box is definitely better than a wet box. Well, I don't think I agree with that. Oh, my God. I read one text message. Leave you to eat alone for 10 seconds. I just think it would be easier to put on dry tires. Yeah, I mean, there's nothing great about a long,

narrow tires and a wet box. Nothing worse than a long, narrow wet pit road. I mean, it's ridiculous. I mean, changing wet tires and wet boxes, that's hard. It's not hard if it's dry. box with dry tires with five nuts. You mean it's difficult?

Five of lug nuts. Let me get this. It's a lot of math, Fred. We should probably should move on. Wet box. I'm just bringing up a point by these tires and the boxes.

I'm just trying to follow. And the rubber and the nuts, the lug nuts. Just bringing a point out. It's just a biological question. Sam mayor, huh? What's the next topic? We covered it all.

I think I've bingo. This is where Sam, mayor got punched by saying Sam mayor was giving people the finger on that topic was that a drive box oh yeah thank y'all for listening

it's been a great run yep here we go again some dude the timeline's gonna say was driving down the highway home from work almost crashed my car laughing

I hope we don't cause any accidents I feel better yeah I mean okay spot on innocent questions that's all I ask spot on spot off

Sam mayor gives Ryan True X Oh, God, you can't say that. He gave him to Bird. They do funny. Sam Mayor. And you said you want to quit, Brett? Spot on, spot off.

Sam Mayer gives Ryan Truax the Bird during the Espinity Series race and went on to say, I can't say anything bad about Joe Gibbs racing drivers, so I'll just keep it to myself. Brett, spot on, spot off. Spot off. Why can't he say anything bad about him? What's he scared up?

He's getting black eyes. He couldn't beat up again. Oh, that's true. He got his ass beat. Who beat him up? Ty. Anytime we bring a pit rat. Anytime.

Poor Sam. Sam's got to stop wrecking and getting wrecked. That really wasn't his fault. I mean, I don't know. Who spots for Sam Mayer? Hamlin. Kevin Hamlin. Yeah.

Did you see the rack? No, I didn't see this one. They were too wide and Sam was passing somebody and Ryan Truex got it. He did one of them things where he goes way down the inside of the front stretch. He just rammed him. He narrows up when you get to the corner and just and the guy in the third lane, he doesn't run the third lane on entry. So they just all kind of meet. But it's forced.

I mean, it's just a, it's like turn one at Indy. You know the guy that goes all the way down on pit road and forces the wreck into one? Yeah. That's what he was doing, basically. That's why he got the finger. I think Sam Mayer's got a ton of talent, and he's got to be careful who he gives that finger to the bird to.

That bird will get you in trouble. Bird will get you. Finger is not so bad. Brett, let me. You know what? Bird could change your life. Bird get expensive real fast. Yeah, yeah.

Martin'sville News. Sam Mayer gave right. The finger. I'm sure Truex had a lot of trouble sleep. sleeping Saturday night after he saw Sam give him the bird. I'm sure he was very upset about that. But, I mean, the midpack of this Xfinity race felt like a truck race. What are you talking about?

My guy was in there. The front felt like. The front felt bad. I mean, we get the lead. We go into turn three and we're just clear. Here comes the plow on the 20. I mean, he just plugged it on in and drove it on in there until we hit. Did you get a flat?

Yeah. The one run, you were backing up hard. I didn't know. Yeah, we had a luckily the caution came out because we were getting ready to pit. The valve stem got knocked. knocked out of it. So, but I mean, it was rough. It reminded me of a truck race. I mean, we were not innocent. Chandler was getting hit, running into people. No kidding. We called me surprised. We were all over the place. But it was, it was like, it was like killer be killed back

there where we were at. The gosh comes out and Josh goes, ah, the boys are rough tonight. Like, it was, it was so good for a while too, didn't it? Yeah. I will say, the end of that race and the college cars, like, what a race. I can't wait to see Krause. I'm going to kill him. Like, he should have moved us five laps before he did he couldn't do it i was like stop being nice this is a another race rouse had moved you you know chris rice will have lost his mind yeah and this is a another sign of uh you know a couple years ago derrick hit everything on the track and it didn't matter grass walls dirt cars trucks and you're getting something that you can separate yourself a little bit out and he runs you know he runs competitive and he's showing more of his talent let me ask you this though

No. I don't you think about it. I want to ask TJ this question. We're two years into this new cup car. Okay. No. Do you think it makes more sense to have two or three years full-time truck under your belt and go cup racing or two to three years of Xfinity under your belt and go cup racing? I don't think either one of the cars prepare you for the cup car like it used to. I don't know. I think the only thing you run any of these series is, which I would probably take Xfinity. because you learn more with the car and how to race the racetracks. But I don't think either one of them really prepare you for how the other, how the cup car is. I think you get it, I think you run Xfinity to separate yourself a little bit to get track experience. And that's it. Which one do you think better prepares you for the cup? I don't know that the same.

I kind of know either one of them prepares you. But Xfinity for sure shows off a talented race car driver way more so than the truck series does. You know, I think Xfinity, you know, honestly, Honestly, truck series probably prepares you better now for the Cup Series because it's all air racing. It's all arrow. It's arrow blocking. It's, you can manipulate the air. But if you're a talented race car driver, do you want to show off that you're a talented race car driver?

You need to do it in the Xfinity series. I think the truck series would get you ready for the Cup series more than the Xfinity series right now. Yeah. Because to your point. The problem is your schedule. They don't run enough and go to enough of the big, you know what I mean? And like, I think that the cup car, you can't show off how great you are in the cup car. Like what Freddie just said to me makes all the sense in the world.

You cannot show off how great you are in a cup car right now, but you can in the Xfinity car. Well, the truck prepares you more for you can't show off how great you are than an expedited car. So I think the way the air racing is, the way a truck series races, the restarts and all the things. I see as a person watching, not a person inside of the cockpit, I can see the truck series getting you ready. But, I mean, like, look at Ty Gibbs, a phenomenal Xfinity Series driver. Guess what he didn't run.

Truck races. Guess what he's not doing in a cup car? He ain't impressing anybody yet. So I almost feel like you could take a Zane Smith, a guy that's been, and look, Zane Smith was on his way to being in a cup car. He was, he was, Gannasi was going to take him cup racing. Obviously, track house purchasing. Gannasi changed that whole pathway.

But I think you could put Zane Smith tomorrow in a sister car to Ty Gibbs, and I think he would outrun Ty Gibbs seven out of ten races because of his experience in the truck. And I may be wrong. We may not ever get to see that. But I think you can take a guy straight from truck to cup like we saw happen with Kurt Bush. And we didn't see it very often back in the day. They made Greg Biffel go to the Bush series at the time with a Granger car. And Kurt Bush went, they were called him Killer Bees, Biffle and Bush.

And Bush went straight from truck to cup, but he was ready. Biffel was also ready, but that wasn't Jack's plan. Did Carl go? But you're, Carl, I don't know. He ran both. I don't remember if he skipped or if he ran straight, went straight to cup full time, but Carl was obviously ready too. I think he went, he might have went cut full time and Xfinity.

I think he ran Xfinity full time too. I mean, AmeriQuest Carl. You're kind of seeing it already, though. You're kind of seeing because Zane Smith is a full-time truck guy, and he gets to call. You know, and yesterday, I know the results didn't show it because he had a speeding penalty, but he was running like, he drove up to like almost 20th. It might have been 20th.

The damn Smith family is like the hottest prospects in the sport right now. You've got Zane, Chandler, Sammy, the whole family's coming. I'm going to try my name to Brett Smith. Brett Smith's coming at you. The whole family's coming. So, like, if he, so I don't know if you saw it, he speeds on pit road early in that race. And he's up to like 20th. And he's in the area where if you can make it through that first run,

and this will be my wooden idiot later in the show here, if you can get through that first run, you're almost guaranteed, you're almost pretty much solidifying yourself on a leap because from then on out you line up in front of all the riffraff that's going to be lap first next time. And he had done that. So I'm telling you, if he doesn't get that speeding penalty,

I think he finishes 15th to 20th in that race. And to me, that's a successful run for him being at Martinsville as well. the way this may be off base if I'm wrong I'll admit it we won't know it for years I probably won't even be here in years but the way that the models work right now um the truck series cost about half of what the Xfinity series cost to your point T.J they run less races obviously that saves you money per race there's typically some some money to be saved versus running a full expinity car and the modeling that we see is guys like Sammy Smith are coming up with money, right? Let's say Sammy's got $6 million.

Well, if I'm Sammy, I'm going to go run trucks two years in a row for $2 million versus going to run two years in a row for $12 million all in for Exfinity. And I'm going to take that money my third year and go cup racing with it instead of spending all this money in Xfinity, which is what it takes. I mean, you need a legit five to six months. million dollar budget to be a good Xfinity series team. You don't need that much money in trucks. And I think watching how these cars race at the racetrack on TV, I think trucks and cup are more similar than Xfinity. I think Xfinity series is the best racing in the world right now.

But you're not going to- Everywhere we go. It's super hard to get notice in the trucks, though. That's the problem. But if you got your own money, do you need to get noticed? Half those races you're getting wrecked in because just how that series is. Half those races, you're getting destroyed in. Exfini. There's, there's, I mean, I just, if I gave you $20 million, how many years of Exfinity would you run? What, four or five? So then you're down of money.

I do. But I hope I'm in Cup after that. So Brett is referring to somebody who already has the financial support can do what he wants and how he would budget it rather than somebody who has to prove himself to get to a certain point. Then why isn't Ben Rhodes in the Cup series right now? You know what I mean? Why isn't guys like Ben in there? They stay too long in Trump.

and once they stay too. I mean, look at, why isn't just an hour in a cup car? How do you stay too long? If you don't have, I mean, if you don't have an opportunity to move up, what do you do? That's the hard part.

I mean, that's the formula. It is kind of trending that way now, but like it's just hard because, you know, the stepping zone is you go to truck. Chandler Smith is 20 years old. I'd put him in a cup car tomorrow. I wouldn't leave him in Exfinally long. Oh, that's, I agree with that 100%.

Because he's obviously, in my mind, he's already outperforming, to some degree, his equipment. He's outperforming guys like Kyle Bush and similar equipment. So how many more years do you need him Exfinally to prove his cup ready? When he just came out of trucks.

Yeah, I don't think. It's just, you know, it's all opportunity because... It is all opportunity. Like John Hunter was Cup Ready. John Hunter was Cup Ready. He went Cup Racing. Now he's made the best decision of his life

to go back, win truck races. Now he's winning Exfinity races and probably propelling himself to a better cup ride at some point. But it's just, you know, like I agree with your assessment of that, you know, the truck series is probably a better mold for going cup racing.

If I'm looking right now, John Hunter, Sammy Smith, and Chandler Smith, and Freddie Smith and every other guy named Smith, they're all going cup racing next year. I'm taking them cup races. I'm telling you, they're ready. If you're a Smith sign up. Why would you stay in Xfinity? Like, if you're a Chandler, there's no reason.

Like, I don't like. If he had the same, we said the same thing about Ty. Remember when Ty ran that extra year of Xfinity? Like, he got behind, like, he should have been in a cup car last year because now you see he's like he's I mean he ran half the season probably in the 45 but you know you're seeing growing pains where he's not like you said impressive in the cup car like he got like instead of getting him in there when everybody was learning the new car we put him behind you know half a season so you know I don't know 10 to 15 years ago that was the path you went to his fendi and you ran two years of vicinity and then then you were ready but the cars were very similar had a lot of the same care very similar very similar you got in the cup car a little more powerful a lot better drivers. You know, it's not similar to that anymore. Hey, y'all catch that World of Outlaw race on Friday at I-55

where, what, MECEDO win, gravel, wreck going for the lead? What do you guys think? We were watching it on TJ's iPad in the suite during the rain delay. Yeah, it was, it's interesting because, you know, at the beginning of the year, I thought Sweet was going to have a challenge for the championship this year, and it was going to come from either gravel or Moseedo, which, he said, won the last, I think, three or four championships over there. And then, like, then this just takes, gravel's leading to race.

I think it's looked to me like a racing deal. Like Carson slides it in there. He pinched him. TJ thinks Brad had a, gravel had a spotter that was telling him he was coming. Yeah, he said, hold him down. But, I mean, it looked like a racing deal. And they, you know, just, I'm assuming he must have cut his left rear because it looked like he had a flat or something.

I think they both kept digging, though. I know Mascito did. I don't know about gravel. but now that just sweet takes off wins the race i think what do you say casey the six time he's won at peevly so i mean turns out brad sweet's pretty good at that stuff yeah he's turned out to be pretty good sprint car race i got a question casey yes is brad sweet he is very sweet he's got to be sweet his nickname's the big cat i mean how do you and he's five foot yeah i'm gonna have to know where does that come from i i don't he explained it somewhere but i can't remember where i think

somebody. Brad Sweet's a fun dude to be around. He is fun for sure. I remember when John was working at Casey's tea search shop. We went. John worked. Did you know that? Well, when he showed up because half the time he didn't show up. Well, this was a time where he didn't show up, I think, because we went out. I forget what the hell we were doing going out. We ran into Brad and Brad's like, I'm going to get John drunk and make him not show up for work tomorrow. And he did. That was a good. So he is fun. Brad used to live here. Now he lives back in Cali, I think. But, man, he's a, I remember when he came in to the Xfinity series, uh, running some with Casey.

I wish he'd had a better opportunity because he's a hell of a race car driver. And they're doing, they're doing a lot for the sport right now. They're, they, him and Kyle kind of started their own deal. I think it's the high limit racing series. And, uh, they run weekly shows, weekday shows, I should say, um, for, for big money. Although they had one last week. That was, I think it was 50 grand to win. Giovanni Selsie won that.

Rico was checked out, probably going to win the race. Rico, I watched the race and it started out where the bottom was good. And Rico fell back a little bit and Rico did what Rico does. He said, screw it, I'm going to run the top. And then the top came in and he drove all the way back to the front and was going to win. Yeah, Tyler, I'm obviously friends with Tyler, Courtney. And he was dominant for most of that day. He had set fast time, won his heat, won the dash, led the first 10 laps or so of the race.

And it looked like the bottom, like there was on the bottom. And one restart, Rico just, the run he had off a two got clear. Where the hell is? Tyler Spotter was Jesus I mean damn so then unfortunately for Tyler he kind of follows him like as much as our racing

is about air so is theirs like the wings and stuff like you can take air away from a guy and it's just hard to pass and uh Tyler was following him following him and realized like they were just breaking even like he wasn't catching him he wasn't losing ground so then he's like I got to try something different so he goes to the bottom

and slips up off the bottom loses two spots the yellow comes out and Rico gets the flat the next on that yellow. So if he would have just kept following him for a couple, like, you've got to try something to win the race, but if he would have kept following him for another lap or two, he probably inherits the lead and maybe goes on to win the race. But

what they're doing there is, you know, that's a good deal. You know, Kyle's been outspoken about purses. You know, he came out last year and said he was, quote unquote, boycotting the chili bowl because it doesn't pay any money. And now here he is. Somebody, you know, people were like, well, put your money where your mouth is. And here he is. They're having a series. They got a lot of fun

rules in there that they do. But, you know, these races are going to pay 50,000, and some I think you're going to pay 20,000 to win. But they do a choose. They do a choose. I was texting with Wyndham on the side and they were like, I seen them put a choose corn out. I'm like, does anybody else do this?

Have I missed this in dirt raising? But they do it. And it was, and it was, it made a difference in the race. There was some guys that said that like, that's how they got to the front was just, because nobody's ever done it before. So nobody knew like, what the hell am I doing? Like, do I want this? Like, especially there because the preferred groove changes.

Like, you can all line up on the bottom one restart. And then you all want to line up on the top of the next restart. So I thought it was. is interesting. It's definitely fun to watch. I'm actually going to go to one in Kokomo in a couple weeks. Just go to Indiana, hang out my buddies, and go watch them race. That's a small.

Yeah, it'll be fun. But it's just something to do. I like that it's during the week. Because obviously Bradden, I mean, you know, Casey Kyle's got to run during the week. So, you know, it's something to do during the week. It's usually Tuesday or Wednesdays. It's a pretty small track, and it's kind of oddly shit. They wrote a song about it. Way down to go. I think it's a little bit different.

It's next to a Rubin, Jamaica. Yeah. They pretty much have a Taco Bell and But that race at Peebley was awesome. So, I mean, if you guys haven't already, I know we had a code. I think what was it? DBC 23. TBC 23 to get your first 50% off. Yep.

They had to Knoxville this weekend, which I can not. And I think you can watch Knoxville weekly on there. You can. They have a week. Knoxville has a weekly program. They run every week and you get that with your Dirt Vision subscription. So, I mean, by all means, go get that. And you get us for free.

So I don't know why you're. I'm glad they don't charge for us. Yeah, I don't know. I'm not sure after this. show that's going to be. Guess we'll find out. We're going to see us crying laughing. You'll be able to listen to us starting.

Do they at least beep us out? I don't know. Are we get beeped out or not? Oh, man. But it is, I mean, it's the full show. So you really, you'll want to watch it. You'll be able to catch this week's episode on Wednesday. You'll watch one World of Outlaw race on Dirt Vision.

You'll be hooked on World of All Laws because they're phenomenal. High horsepower, yawed out, driving off the right rear. You got young guys, old guys. Like it's awesome. And it's about time that these guys had an opportunity to go out and make some big purses to. So shout out. And a word of all our race, you show up. It is in.

It goes. It goes. So, you know, check out their schedule too. And they run a ton of races a year and go all over the U.S. I'd say three to four hour program, depending on what support divisions are there. I mean, you can leave your house. I mean, you can get there at six and closer to seven, honestly. Watch a whole show in three to four hours.

And Dirt Vision does a great job with the broadcast, too. I feel like there's always something going on. They always have the up-to-date news, so be sure they catch it, catch Knoxville this weekend, too. I'll be watching. What? Why are you looking at me?

What's up? Don't forget this week, this Wednesday. Millbridge. Millbridge. I'll be out there. Maybe Chloe will make it appearance. Hell, Joey might even go there and get lap twice. Looking for childcare.

I bet if Joey was there, he would get lap twice. He'd still finish second, though. Yeah, he still finished second. Reaction theater. My what an idiot this week was Casey Boat for picking Josh Barry to win a race that he's not even going to be racing in until I've seen Carson Hosevar break rule number one in Landon Castle's book of learn how to wreck somebody without wrecking yourself. What an idiot. I didn't know Landon Castle had a book. I didn't either.

I'm still waiting for Landon to call me to tell me he's not running this year since I spot. from last year. Well, I learned a lot about threshold breaking last week. I saw that clip. Yeah, I'm sure we're going to talk about that. Casey, here's my thing. Uh-oh. Here we go. I got daughters, obviously.

And I'm trying to keep boys away from them. And you're tweeting pictures of your little baby girl holding hands with some boy. That was Bo Reddick. You think it's cool, but ain't the way Chad thinks it's cool. No, I just thought it was a cute picture. She's trying to move up in points. She's trying to get up on it.

Actually, she's trying to move up in a series. She's the one from Millbridge to Cup. That's quite the jump. We talked about going truck racing before you go cup racing, and you're just going to pull her off straight to the cup. I thought it was a cute picture that the photographer took, and he said, you should remember this picture because one day they could be dating or best friends.

You should have kicked that photographer in the ball. That's what you should have done with a photographer guy. Sounds like Casey's out smarting you is what she's weighing head of you. She's living in the future. It was a cute picture. Bo thought that Chloe's white hair bow was. cute so you know what I've been with Boa Hooters you better be very careful this needs to be cut out okay have I been with Boat Hooters

yes we have okay okay there was Tyler honestly the worst Tyler was there they were their best friends let's leave it right yeah and for the record thank you to everyone who decided to tweet comment on my photo send me messages about how I'm an idiot for picking Josh Barry he's great at Martinsville, okay? And who would have thought that he was going to be back? Well, when I told you, he was probably coming back. Whatever, move on the next call.

NASCAR, I'm going to need you to spell it out for me. Because I just sat through seven hours of three rain delays, and we didn't use the rain tires when we should have. I'm not no, fucking meteorologist, but it was a light drizzle when all those showers came, and we could have used them and showed their true potential. At the beginning of the race, it was way too dry to use them. Use the fucking rain tires. The S-U-P said, I thought we executed getting the wetts on, and that worked out well.

Maybe that's what Bo said to Chloe. I can't remember. Somebody texts me this. I can't go back and look at it. But somebody's like, I feel like the reporters got a code word to use this week because he said every. What was the code word? Kudos. NASCAR deserves kudos for, I was like,

kudos for what? Hey, if anything, it just showed us that the rain tires are even better in a drive. Yeah, like, yeah. Wow, who knew if the tires wore out, the racing's better? It's crazy. What an idea. Denny said on his podcast that we needed a tire that wasn't like solid traction to the asphalt. Well, here we have it.

That tire was great. And you could probably burn it off. NASCAR, NASCAR is in a little bit of a bind. Look, Good Year has a monopoly on top. in our three touring series. And if they bring a shoddy tire, we're going to see a shoddy race, and ain't a damn thing NASCAR can do about it.

And they have for years. You're going to have a perfect example of this when we go to North Wilkesboro, I think, because North Wilkesboro is going to wear out. I mean, I don't care what tire you bring there. It's going to wear out. So that's going to be a great race, in my opinion. And then we're going to see the potential of a car

when the stuff works like it's supposed to. The tires are supposed to wear out. They're not supposed to last for, what was it the one year? We could have ran like the, Remember it was like you could have run the whole Martinsville race and then another like 5,000 miles on your left side tire. You only took less because you had to wait for fuel. Yeah.

That's the only time you would take less. TJ and I used to be spoiled. We used to helicopter in and out of all these racetracks. I was going to say with tire wear. Well, we used to be spoiled with tire too. But North Wilkesboro, can we get back on the helicopter deal? Are you renting it? I mean, I might be willing to.

T. T.G already has a ride. Tony's probably in a good move. We should ask him this week. We're going to need a helicopter to get out of there. Denny had one. Or camp. Yeah, Freddy.

Danny's great. I don't know. We were pushing him around a little bit yesterday. He might not be talking about this. Oh. Oh, I have that. That will be discussed. If you want to bring it up right now.

So if Denny listens, Denny, Freddy is a jerk to you and I think you're great. Until after North Wilkesboro, then you're a jerk again, too. I don't even need a helicopter ride out, I don't think. Just in. It's going to be. I think I would rather have a league. I don't know. It's going to be.

If anybody has a helicopter Yeah, in two seats Or one T.J. ain't gonna pony up. No, I agree with two. Two's fine. Well, hey, what if Another thing we probably need to... I'm sure your guy's got it. What about shifting?

We could maybe get rid of the shifting too. That'd probably help a little bit. I don't think they'll shift at Margeville. You think they will? Martinsville? Oh, they will for sure with that time wear. Yeah. You mean at Wilkesboro because you just said Martin'sville. You said Marinsville. I'm at Northwell. was bro. Oh yeah they'll be shifting. Yeah, they lose. They'll probably be in first gear.

So you should see in qualifying there's so many different versions of shifting. You got the guys that right when they start breaking, they shift right away. Like briscoe is an early shifter. Yeah, preys. You got guys like Danny, Tyler, Tyler Reddick shifts past the middle of the corner right before he throttles up. And he uses the shift to turn the car. Yeah. So and then he thrills down. And when he hammers down, and then it looks like an R.C car. coming off the corner. Like you're sitting there going squeezing the trigger and he takes off. Wow. But it's weird to see the

The differences. The 23 is doing it. The 45. The 11's doing it. They're shifting super late down into the corner. Yeah. So. What was Lugano doing? He got a lot twice yesterday. Run in second. Is that the last call? Welcome to Milbury. Last call. Well, stage one just ended and I got a message

for all of NASCAR fandom. Been fan of chase for a few long years. But if If I hear his name, I might disappear, and I will change my allegiance. This broadcast has done nothing but yapping. I'm pulling my hair out, lap by laugh. And I say, hey, shut up about Chase. Yeah.

Shut up about him. Oh, shut up about him. I said, hey, shut up about Chase. Chase Don't make me rude for Rick wear Kyle Busch, but I will Shut up about Chase.

Please, shut up. That's a pretty good edit. Was that the Four Non-Blones? Yeah, I think so. Yeah. What's Up or something? Yeah.

Listen, like I said earlier, I would have been Chase Central yesterday because we already saw what he means to the sport in viewership so I get it I'm sure it's tiring but you know and Chase is a it's a really good race car driver well I'll tell you one thing I saw that it was interesting and I don't know if anybody actually watched qualifying on television I assume Brett didn't uh I seen that a lot of complaints about they didn't interview priests who sat on the pole that's insane don't speed how about

how about get the no no after qualifying he's on the poll and they didn't interview him how do you like how does that interview shilly? they did. I've seen a picture of him doing an MRN interview, but I think like when qualifying ending, they just, they just dipped. No way. No way. I've seen probably hundreds of people, especially on my Facebook is more of my personal account, so it's all my friends from back home. I mean, yeah, they blew up because they were all wanting to see Ryan because he's on his pole, got his first cup pole, and they're like what they'll they're that they interviewed certain guys and not Ryan. So I'm assuming there was no Ryan interview. Probably got Chase still, even though he

one in the top 10. Yeah. I know they did Bubba. Which leg was broke? Throttle leg or break leg? Breaking leg. I don't understand. Yeah, breaking leg.

So Talladega, he shouldn't have any problems. Which is why I said he wasn't coming back, Martinsville. Wrong. Yeah. That would be good. But I don't understand why he came back there. Like, that's the most trying race for that left leg, you know? And then I would have held him out of Taladaiga, too.

You got a broke leg. Now you're going to go to Talladega and race? But if he felt good, he's a race car driver. He's going to be a race car driver. He's going to want to be in there. So I'm guessing he probably made the call. The guy driving his car finished second the week before, so that probably didn't help.

Yeah. Well, let's continue. Well, don't forget. They go to Millbridge. You can leave. We should take a shot every time you say it. What's going on? Don't forget, anchor.fm.

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Sorry. This first one is from John Newby. Brett proclaimed his Justin Bieber fandom on the very first episode of BBC. Is that still the case? 100% I don't know if we can play this on this show I feel like you had some ulterior motives

to go to your first Justin Bieber concert and then now you just What were these motives? I love Justin Bieber What's your favorite song? Peaches or? Never say never. I will never say never.

I'm sure I've heard a bunch of Justin Bieber songs Will Smith's son's raps in that song. Do you have his Christmas album? I don't have his Christmas album. Oh, that's a shame. Is he got a Christmas album? I think he's got some Christmas songs. I couldn't tell you.

You're welcome. I'm sure I've heard a bunch of them, but I couldn't tell you one Justin Bieber song. This Christmas is Brett's house. It's going to all Justin Bieber. Oh, I'm not going to that's a case. No, well. Oh, this next one is from Blake Rader. Who ate the most Martinsville hot dogs this weekend?

I think it's a tie. Did you have any? Yeah. I didn't have many, yeah. Who eats the most? I have none. I don't know. Coleman came up with a whole bag.

Oh my God. Coleman came up and I said, damn, Coleman, you're checking out the competition or what? Oh, yeah. His dad owns celebrity hot dogs. Yeah, I'm like, geez. That's true. Trying to eat the competition.

Yeah, he had a whole bag. I can't, I mean, I don't know. They're probably good. I'm also trying to watch. I'm kind of picky with my hot dogs. I like to have all the condiments underneath the winner. I don't like when you put it on top because it gets all in my beard. So I like to have the ketchup, the mustard, and the chili and all the other

condiments. I don't mind even cheese on a good, good hot dog. But I don't like them on top of the, of the, of the, of the, of the, of the, I like, I like, I like good buns and everything else under the wiener. How come there's not a good hot dog bond? All of them aren't. There is, there, you're right. There's some really bad buns out there's not a good hot dog. I like a soft bun. With room for everything. It's almost buttery when you bite into it. Oh, yeah. Like the, you know who does that? Who does it? Dario. So I need to go to Dario. You need to go to Dario. If you want to bite a bun 100% Dario is your place apparently Can we door dash Buttery buns

To the studio for next week I don't think Just make sure it's arranged correctly Because I'm telling you I don't like it on top Maybe when you get it You can ask I'm sure you can ask for all the stuff

Under the Wiener when you get it too That's what I tell them I've never asked for the stuff That's how I'll order it Put it all on the buttery bun first And then put the wiener on top It's got you will not be You'll be impressed

with Dario. Okay. I love Dario. I go there all the time. You haven't got the hot dog? No. Yeah, get the hot dog. Okay. Done. What's wrong? These fellas all looking is laughing for. I don't know. I mean, talking about hot dogs. These perverts over here. I don't know what their problem is. Look at them.

What an idiot. You've already alluded to a few. So, by all means. I've got a page of what an idiot. Okay. Well, should I, if you got a bunch of them, just let me go, because I'm going to give it to to sub-talk. to do because he's a good race car driver and he's doing well and but damn it ryan priest i mean you sit on the is that his fault though so who's pushing the so throttle but do you think he thought and was told he could go wide open out of his pit box to the line or do you think i don't know why you so if

why do you chance if you listen to their radio i didn't when he's when he speeds they say well i guess that answers that and i think they legitimately thought maybe it's close you know because we sometimes if you're within the first maybe three stalls, you can just throttle up off your box and you don't have to worry about getting a speeding penalty because you can drive through the line, you won't be at speed yet. They were obviously in that window.

I got to look back to see what the stall they were in. But why are you taking that risk? That's exactly the thing. We weren't even close to the league. Yeah, but listen, if there were, if it, if the end of, you're in the best stall already. Dude, I know. I'm hearing you. It's not even close.

I'm not saying it's not somebody's fault. I'm saying it's potentially, not Ryan Priest's fault. He was in the first stall. Yeah, he was, yeah. The first stall was open. It was the second stall. So the pole center was in the second box. But he's still shooting straight out. But if he's told, if I supply you with information and I tell you, T.J, you can leave your box, go hard as you want to the line. Guess what you're going to do? Which I agree, but he's still, you know, he still pushed a throttle. I don't know if he went too far or not. But if he was told he could go, that is on the engineer and the crew chief that supplied him on the information. Who's crew chief of my car?

Chad Johnson. What if he went too far? Chad Johnson. Very smart guy. Obviously, listen, man, I'm going to tell you all this. Ryan Priest's weekend and week out has been the fastest Stuart Hoss racing car. Fair? Fair.

Harvick's. Harvick's been kicking Amarola's ass and kicking him Chase Briscoe's ass every week. Literally kicking their ass. So if you are supplied with information that says you can go and you go and then they say what Freddie said they said, which is, well, I guess that answer is that. you can't go all the way to the line hard. That's not on the driver. So another part of this is Ryan is putting good cars a lap down.

And in this scenario, he gets past Ligano and he settles in. He doesn't force the issue with, he was all over Ross. He's all over. And these are guys that are going to find their way back if you don't, to me, you put as many guys as you can. You get to Ross. And what would Ross have done if he would have got to you? What is Ross's reputation, though? Ross isn't going to wreck him.

He's going to make it really hard. to get around him. Ross isn't going to ruin his race. He could run him on a curve. Ross isn't going to, I think Ross just makes it super hard to pass. Because Ross knows that's not the end of his race, but he knows it's going to be a lot harder,

but priests probably could have got it. He got to him with 20 to go. In 20 laps, he's going to get somebody in front of him. I don't want to race, Joey, and Ross later in this race. I want to put them as far down as I can. I mean, yeah, you keep Lagono's lucky dog and all the things, right?

So, no, I mean, I don't disagree with you. But also. You get as many as you can. I see what he was doing, You're telling them to be smart leaving pit road, but you're telling them not to be smart at lap of cars. I'm saying pass a guy when you get behind him. You're better than him. My one, it's easy.

This might be a shocker to people who listen to our show. Let me rattle some off. Okay. Here we go. Casey for picking Josh Barry. Good job. But you just said that. Why would he come back?

Why would she come back this week? But I wouldn't pick the guy. I'm not even going to chance. There's a chance. Indy car. We brought up Indy car earlier. How about, and I don't know if anybody, did anybody, You're talking about the curves, the turtles, whatever.

Yeah, they take a rumble strip and just move it after practice the first day. They move it out a little bit. And the first guy that goes on the track hits this thing and looks like a torpedo jumps flying through the air into the fence. And they interview him. He's like, that was the same line I ran yesterday. Nobody told me that they changed the racetrack. I guess they went out there and moved this thing the night before and just failed to mention it to people. Surely they put something out there.

Like if NASCAR makes a change, you get a... Well, like, this guy didn't know, clearly. This guy obviously didn't know because he just drove in there, like, there was no curbs there, and the next thing he knew, he was in the fence. So, and he's lucky he wasn't hurt because he was literally flying through the air and landed in the fence. That was my main one. Obviously, we're going to talk about another one here in a second. I got to give an honorable mention to whoever runs the Alpha Prime social media.

Wrong guy? Did you see that deal with the Joe Graff? That was funny. Like, they... And they call out the wrong guy? Well, they called. out Joe Graf for caution, which is not hard to believe. But it turns out like looking at the accident, you know, Graff in the 43, which I think was Ellis, they kind of race each other hard

down the front stretch. And I think maybe Joe squeezed him a little bit. Well, look to me like Ryan just kind of turned down on his quarter panel and hooked the both of them in the fence and they're calling him out. So like maybe just let the driver's handle it and stay off social media. That definitely happened. I went back and looked at it. I think it was 78. 43 and 43 and 43. Oh, yeah. 43. That's right. Yeah, he hung on the left. As much as like Joe Graf does a lot of dumb stuff, he didn't do anything here. Like, he just got clobbered.

So, yeah. Social media. Let's go, Brett. I just have to ask you all one question before we get into this. I got a page of notes on this one, too. Why did NASCAR... I got to want to leave? No.

Not sure. Why did NASCAR hold Carson Hosovar for two laps? Did you, did they ever say, I just heard, him say hold the, we were wrecked and I was trying to get the pit road, but I heard him say hold the 42 for two laps. Did they give a reason? I don't remember hearing something. I mean, I remember knowing why. Yeah, we knew why. I never heard. I never heard. Tell me why, because he only wrecked himself. So why, of all the dumb shit this kid has done for the past two years, he's parked on racetracks, he's right reared people intentionally. He has changed the integrity of the truck series

single-handedly. So why do they hold him two laps for wrecking himself? Because I believe he was attempting to intentionally right-hook somebody for the second or third time. Yeah, Tanner. And this was, listen, I mean, there's, there's, I don't know what to say. I have nothing. I don't, this kid.

NASCAR mentioned they're going to evaluate this move this week. Do you think that they wrecked himself? That there will be further penalties? He said he had a flat tire and it made him turn left. Are we buying that? No. I don't, I mean, yeah. No, by now.

And Kyle Larson is single-handedly fucking up the truck series. And I love to watch the truck races. I do not care to ever spot another one. I am getting close to not watching anymore if he continues to make a mockery and ruin the integrity of that series. Because they're letting him do it. Listen, I don't know if it was on TV, but probably five minutes before that incident with Taylor, whichever great Taylor, I think it was. It's Taylor, yeah.

I think. He tried to wreck William Swalich. I saw it. Do you know how many hours of my life I spent on Friday night watching the truck race to watch one fucking idiot ruin the end of it? Probably about as many as Andrews are going to spend editing his show. But do you understand how many hours I spent watching this truck race for this idiot to go and ruin the end of it and bring out a caution trying to right rear another guy? Yeah. I mean, he, he, we, I almost threw my fucking phone at the television.

I was so mad. Were you in the RPG room? You're supposed to send me a thread. I don't. My living room with my big TV. You'll have to send me a thread that thread you were talking about that's got one. Check your damn message. I don't see it.

But listen, I mean, right rear people two or three times. He intentionally wrecked the guy at Richmond to try and stay on a lead lap. Has spun out and caused cautions, I don't know, what, three, four times. Last I checked, and I got a lot of shit for this last year. I tweeted Bubba's penalty for right hook in a guy who's unprecedented because it hadn't happened before. guys, plenty of guys had right hooked people and never got penalty. He was one of my examples.

Here he is again doing it, and his penalty is two laps. Like, we got to, we had to sit out for a week. And his penalty is two laps. Denny is accused of changing the outcome of a race for wrecking a guy. And he's fined and he's fine points, but we're not going to do anything to this guy, but make him sit out for two laps. Two laps of a race he's already taking himself out of contention in. He legitimately probably didn't even lose five spots for being penalized two laps.

You know why? Because the race never went back green. Yeah. I mean, listen, you can talk about size of the race. Who runs a truck series? The series director is Seth. I don't remember his last name at the moment. I think he's a series director.

I don't know. Somebody's got a, listen, Carsonosa, I used to, three years ago, I was like, man, this kid's good. He's fast. He's going to have a chance to win races. And I still think he will, but he's not in great equipment. He's an okay equipment. And he's out here coming off his first win, has a chance to change the narrative, has a chance to build a brand and he goes out here and pulls his same chicken move he does three times a year.

I am so over this guy. And listen, here's here's the here's a thing, another thing, like, so he's been doing a podcast, right? He's been him, I think it's him Weaver and Kevin Swindell started a podcast out on a couple weeks ago. So I was like, it sure will be interesting to hear what he has to say about this. Well, guess what he did. Steeringbro. No, he decided now it's time to reevaluate his decisions. He's going to step away from the podcast for a little while.

So it's just like, what do you do? Like you can't look any worse than this. And here's your opportunity. You can come out on your own platform and go, listen, I screwed up, yada, yada, yada, yada, whatever. Make excuses, whatever you want to do. But now you're just hiding from it. Like, get over it.

Do you have any case? I would like to congratulate the 2009 Formula One champion. J.J. I'm so sorry you missed it. We must be idiots for not seeing that. What? J.J. Ealy. The graphic they put for.

J.J. Ealey? No. 2009 Formula One champion. Where was that at? On the screen. During qualifying. I think it would practice, qualifying one of the other. I mean, shout out to JJ. That isn't an accomplishment right there. I mean, that's pretty big. I don't know how I missed that. Oh, let's move on to DBC picks, which continues our win idiot segment here. Oh, who won this week? Andrew? T.J. appearance. He made me about one spot. I picked last last week or something like that. You did not win Casey. I know that. I assumed that would be the case. Well, the thing is, Truex. We didn't beat Denny all day until it matter. He was hauling ass at the very end. He was behind, he started, like talking about not being on a pass. He started like 12th

to 13th and drove to third in that last run. Oh, boy. So Collegraising has their final appeals this week going into Talladega. They're taking it to the top guy. I don't know who the top guy is. You all know who the top guy is? It's one guy that won't be in a panel. So one guy makes a decision on whether or not those penalties are upheld. I know y'all probably talking about last week and denny and denny's denny said that in this scenario the case flips now like the first appeal NASCAR has to prove their case and and then you like essentially colleague is like the defendant of you know just and now but now this appeal colleague has to prove why they're right and NASCAR is just they're kind of defending their case so okay so so with NASCAR making the

rule change that if they issue points fine from here forward points have to be fine no matter what. Is that still in, is that in play for Collie given? No, no. That was from, I think, Richmond on. Okay. So anything before that. Yeah.

So Collick has a chance here to get all their points back for the 31 car. Yes. Do we think, and I'm sure you all talked about this last week, do we think that it's fair that NASCAR in the middle of the season changes that rule? Because they just gave Hendrick 400 points back. And if you get fine points and you prove your innocent, you still have to be fine points. No. if you prove your innocent,

they can determine at any point now, they can take your points away. What they're saying is you can't, they have to take everything away. So they're saying you can't take points away but keep the fines. Like if they,

you can prove innocence and get all your points back. Okay. But you have to get your fine and suspension back. So Colleg Racing got 25 points back. And from now on you get them all back or you get nothing. Yes. You get if you like, I think that they can adjust a window of points.

But if you, like if, like if you're, you know, to be innocent, everything, everything's erased. You know what I mean? They can adjust points, but they can't go, okay, you can have all your points back, but your fines and suspension say. Like, I think there's a window, like, you can, same thing.

You could do 25 points or something less. Yeah. But if they determine you're innocent, you get everything back. Fines, points, everything. All right. So, Talladega, who's picking first? Me, and I'm stressing. Oh.

So I opened it up to Twitter. And Twitter make your picks now? Yes. They come in a dinner with us? So I thought maybe Stan House or Austin Dillon. Denny said I should pick Eric Jones, who I was going to save for, well, I'm not going to say anything there. But I'd pick Eric if Denny's going to pay for our dinner if I lose this year. But I'm not really sure about that.

Well, I'm going to tell you something. Danny has got that we don't have. Money? How did you know? He's got to speak easy for a for a freaking podcast set. Oh, here we go. Helicopter. helicopter.

We don't even have air conditioning in this building. He has a basketball court in his house. Andrew doesn't know that. You wait until you get in midsummer

right here, Andrew. We come in here Monday morning is 98 degrees and 100% humidity outside. Then he pretty much has everything. You're going to want more than a hot dog. Glad you said hot dog this time.

Buttery buns. Anyhow. I don't know if I should take Eric or Stenhouse. Jesus. Make your pick. Oh, Andrew's saying I should take Stenhouse.

But I really have high hopes that Denny's. going to pay for dinner. Because I think I know what track you're saving Eric Jones for, and I think that would be a good decision. Darlington is where. Why would you say surprised? Oh my. No one would be surprised, Casey.

None of us knew you were saving him for Congress. Guys, at least I have wins this year. Let's just make your pick, Casey. Oh, Denny, you're paying for my dinner if I lose this year. I'm taking Eric. Who's next? Me? The ninth place finisher, yeah.

Picked yourself. I'll take Corey the Joy. Todd Gilland Well that went Completely the opposite way that I wanted to go Oh Wow I wanted the joy That's a good pit, Brett

That's kind of I've had a good pick last week TJ beat me Well Oh man I don't want to use him yet Isn't Zane Smith Driving a 38 this week?

Oh he is driving 38 I have no idea if he is No you're right I'll take Zane Smith Nope He already made his pick Oh, my God, we let you make your pick. Don't even know.

Listen, Gillen's in the race, though. He is in the race. He's driving and driving. He's Rick Ware. Yeah, Rick Ware. Oh, God. You know what? I'll ride the Rick Ware train.

I'll ride the Rick Ware train. All right, I'll take Zane then. And I'll ride the Gilliland guy. I'll take Zane because I wanted the joy. I was kidding. Wait, are you sure that Zane Smith is running? You're right. Zane's missing a 38.

Okay. This was one of the races. I was joking. Yeah. Todd Gilleland. He's my guy. This could be a NOAA race, too. Who spots for Todd Gilliland this weekend?

Bark doll? You say he's in a... Yeah, Bark doll? I would think. Can I change my pick? I'm kidding. I love to see Bartonaw. He listens to the show.

That's the only reason I said that. Because he knows I'm a smart ass, and I figured I'd be a smart ass. We need to... There could be another what an idiot. Are you going to say Bubba? No, no, but... Damn.

We all... So there's different places to park at Martinsville. We've been parking to this other lot right up the street on the little walk-up road. everything inside the track. I mean, even all the lots on the right when you're walking up towards Josh's grandma, cop cars blocking all the exits.

They held every lot for 45 minutes. Wow. It felt like Michigan all over again. Pass you part. Passed souvenir deal there. But they've never held anything there. All the lots were held for 45 minutes. Do they change changing traffic patterns

for industry people is... That year we were... In Michigan, oh my God. That year we were driving on the end field of Michigan. I was going to kill somebody. I'm literally nervous. to go back to I had a train of people

following me around too and he got through the gate right like the last one I hate him I know I was hoping he got arrested that was hoping he got arrested so bad experience

you know you just didn't listen yeah experience just keep they can only stand in front of one car at the time it was mine I'm like if the guy wasn't standing in front of my car

it was a sheriff I'm like a guy the cop is standing at my emblem on my hood and Brett just do do do to do right by me Oh, God, it's so bad.

While the guy standing are yelling at me, I was like, you've got to be kidding me. So we're sitting there in that line waiting and the guy comes up. Oh, yeah, sorry, guys. There's just been a miscommunication here. I'm like, you think? The one race I can be home before 9 o'clock. What do you think this race is like this weekend? Because I was on a scale of 1 to 10 Dayton 500.

Disappointed, I was pretty far up to scale. I'm praying this is a good race. It's not going to be any better. It's not going to be any different. So the third line will not form at any point. I don't think so. And have momentum. So we're going to have a track that's capable of five-wide super speedway racing,

and we're going to look like ducks going to a pond, two by two. I think so. Like, unless you get three even lanes rolling at one point. Like, you're never going to, you know how you, like, if you start, like we, I think it was last year or the year before, we, like all the Toyota's got a penalty on the grid. So we all had to go to the back. So all you do is just align yourselves together, jump to the third lane in turn one, and you can roll literally to the top 10 without blinking an eye.

It's not possible now. Like you've got to have half the field go with you, just split the lanes evenly. It's just, we can't get three wide with this car. This is going to be another race where people are going to watch it and they're going to hate stopping for the payout of stage breaks. It creates the whole OEM strategy and all the things. Obviously, Chevrolet and the qualifying races, they got outsmarted. I know it's not racing. But it'll be curious.

I'm curious to see how this race plays out. I really hope that we see better racing than what we've seen because the cars are too. too tough. What do I mean? You knock the crap out of each other and you don't knock the radiator out. So what do you do? You just hit them harder. I don't know. I've got higher expectations for this week and I hope I'm not disappointed on Monday when we come back in here. Yeah, we'll see. I'm not. Well, before we close out the show, I obviously need to ask, Freddie, what in the world happened with Bubba and Denny that Bubba was so frustrated with Denny on track? Same thing. That was happening in Martinsville. One guy moved the other guy. So the other guy was

mad and he's going to move him back. We got into it, Denny, a little bit earlier on. What was said on the radio? Nothing. Just let him roll. Yeah. I mean, Danny caught us. We were holding them off for, I don't know, five or six laps or so.

We kind of, I don't think Danny did anything intentional. We kind of got a little chain reaction there. He got into us. He got into Priests. He got into us again and really shot us up to racetrack. And then Bubba was obviously upset. We're racing for our life at that point. You're like lead lap.

There's a big difference between everybody's like, well, you're in the lucky dog spot. But there's a big difference between being on the lead lab and being a lucky dog because you start in front of all the lap down cars if you can maintain that lead lap position. And we were doing it. I know, we talked about how hard it was to pass. Last year there, Bubba held off Chase Elliott for like 50 laps as we were on tail and lead lap. So, you know, we're maintaining our spot and he kind of boots up the racetrack. So Bubba just went in there and gave it back for about, I don't know, six corners in a row.

But, you know, that's what you're just trying to race to get your lap back. And listen, Danny has made it clear to us that we're not. not that they're just another race car. The 23 is just another race car to him. The 11th is another race car to us. Obviously, we're not going to do anything out of control. Like Bubba's not going to go in there and wreck him, but he's trying to move him to get his spot back.

And that's how we race. You know, Danny said if it comes down the end of the race, I expect, you know, not wreck each other, but we're going to race the hell out of each other for whatever it is. And that's just the motto over there, the mindset of, you know, that's weird because we went out, me and Tyler went out for a little bit last night. And he's like, he's like, I'm glad to hear you knock them around too

because I think I screwed him up one time. he's like i kind of got tight on his quarter pound on his fender off of four and got him loose and he got split three wide behind me he's like oh shit i you know he's like so the poor dandy's out here getting run over both of his cars so uh you know it is what it is man i mean that's yeah and then honestly in his finney race the 18 and the 20 going at it too was oh we've seen that deal at martin's their last year didn't they all wipe each other out that's probably why yeah but this was good this didn't get to that so it was good short track and that's what you go to see and i thought I thought on that point, like I thought that the truck race and the Xfinity race, even the

Cup race was kind of boring, but the truck race and the Xfinity race, them guys up front ran like the end, I should say, fairly, like, you know, in years past we've seen, just go clean clean the guy out and it may be done with it. Yeah, it's turned into that a lot, but it didn't do that this time. Cooters to them. Truck race probably would have got the way, but they didn't get a chance. Which OEM is going to be the fastest this weekend, Talladega? Because we always see one.

Well, it's, I don't know that it's fastest, but the four. always seem to work the best. Obviously they've got speed, but they always seem to work the best, getting pushing and lining up and controlling the race. You see the Penske cars always, and then now Brad's cars are up there doing the same thing. So they just work the best together. We don't have, Toyota doesn't have, we don't have strength of numbers. I'm not commenting on any of this. Toyota doesn't, we have to kind of do what everybody else does. We don't have our enough cars to, like, kind of control anything. But we get up front and can control a line if we're leading it, but it's hard for us to kind of make progress that way.

It's an interesting. You guys going on in Philadelphia? It's a fun one. Anybody big playing a concert there? Isn't it Cole? I think Cole Swindell's playing. That's awesome. How do you not have at some point

the guy who sang the song about Talladega? Her church. Play it Talladega. That'd be so cool. I mean, he wrote a song and sang a song about Talladega where he was raised up with whiskey on his breath. I think you got to get your pocketbook out for him, though. Well, guess what?

I'm pretty sure they. They got a damn big pocketbook, Andrew. But they're into check cashing business, not to check writing business. I think Eric Church has got to come play that song before the race. Give him a couple hundred thousand bucks. Can you play it after the race? I think the concert is Saturday. It's always Saturday night.

I think Sunday night to be a great time. But I'm not going to lie, Cole Swindell is probably one of my favorite artists. So I'm on board with having him at track. I bet Cole would come on this show if he's ever in Charlotte on a Monday. We need to make it happen. Yeah, he would go. Make it happen. him and Blake bring back.

I ran to them guys at Bubba's one day. We FaceTime some of the Braves players because I have all my meds on so we were talking a bunch of trash. Yeah. The girls. So we're at Bubba's house and this,

I don't know, it must been like Memorial Day. I think it was after the 600. So all the guys are outside playing games or whatever. Who knows what the hell we were doing? All girls were inside doing whatever they were doing. Next thing I know like, here come all the girls outside.

And I'm like, what are you guys doing? And they're like, they're obviously awkward about it. Like, I'm like, what are you guys doing? Like, what the hell? And they're all like,

peeking around corners. I'm like, what is going on? And finally, Megan's like, Cole Swindell's here. And he just walks around the bill. I'm like, oh, this makes sense. Now I know what hell are you all out here. Like, go back inside. I'd be right there with them. Yeah, I'm sure. All right, well, thank you all so much for listening. Don't forget the TV show streams on Wednesday, only on DirtVision. DBC fans, it is free to watch. All you need to do is register. And of course, you have our YouTube page. Leave us a like, a comment. Tell us what you think. And have a great week.

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