Door Bumper Clear - 288. Talladega: The Track Is Not The Problem

Episode Date: April 24, 2023

Talladega weekend has ended and Brett Griffin, T.J. Majors and Freddie Kraft have returned to Door Bumper Clear to break down the action. The guys discuss the difficulty passing during the race and why the pack was stuck racing in double file.In Spot On, Spot Off, the table discusses Corey Lajoie’s comments trying to wreck Kyle Busch at Martinsville, Ross Chastain making contact with Noah Gragson, Austin Dillon speaking on behalf of the drivers, and Freddie breaks down Bubba Wallace wrecking while racing Ryan Blaney for the lead. Plus, the spotters explain how teams make code words for radio communication in #AskDBC. Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

The following is a production of Dirtymoan Media. Nor, bumper, clear. Clear by two. Please really shallow entry. Door, bumper, clear. Hey, everybody. I'm T.J. Major, spotter of the six cup of car, the eight Xfinity, and I had the 73 Arka car, which Brett loves Arka.

Brett Griffin, I'm the only spotter at the table that didn't tear up $10 million worth of equipment this weekend. Freddie, how many cars do you wreck, you think? A bunch. I'd say so. What's up? Freddy Kraft, Spotted for Bubba Wallace, Chandler Smith. No, ARCA, thank God. Yeah, we wrecked. Are you sure yesterday kind of looked like ARCA? No, I think Saturday was ARCA. Saturday was ARCA. Saturday was ARCA. And then the race after that was worse than ARCA, I think. Yesterday was pretty boring right up until the last couple restarts. And then it was until you're a late block.

It was a late block. That's a fact. But yeah, what's up, Casey? So, up, everyone. So up. So I went back and listened just to make sure You said S-U-P I said S-V-P No No

No Whatever I didn't hear you I didn't So up it's fine Can I jump in on this opinion? Yeah I think it's kind of like

You know That whole debate between like the The Laurel Niani Like you ever hear that? It's like I heard both at the same time We retract our statement You cannot chime in I'll mute my mic

This is the same Just like Pocker ass Casey. So, what's up? What's up? Hey guys, well. Let's go to Millbridge.

I wish you could have seen the broadcast yesterday with Pock grass jumping around with French fry carting on. He looked like he was having a time of his life on the boulevard Friday night. Bob's becoming a regular out there. Bob needs to be a full-time fixture on the TV broadcast for two reasons. The hardcore fans love him. And the industry people love him and appreciate how hard he works. So when I saw him jumping around acting like a French fry box, a big Bob, a big Bobby, I thought it was epic. At that point in the race, it was the most exciting thing to happen.

I'm sure. Because the first stage was a snooze fest. About halfway through the second stage, you guys finally decided to race a little bit and try to get the third line for him. So at that point, Bob was a welcome site. That had to do what that's racing. No. Just dumb else. Oh, okay.

Yeah, that. Too sure. We will. Bob is becoming a figure out there. He is. Someone should just bring Bob a camper and let him sleep out there. That way he doesn't have to drive to the hotel. He can just get him walk in at 5.30 in the morning when he does.

What was he in Dover, Tequila Bob? Oh. Tequila Bob. Tequila Bob. Yes. That's when he told us a story about his glasses and he left him at a friend's house. He says I'm driving down the road and I kiss. That's also the night he got the.

Hickey. You could say it on the show. Well, yeah. We are now going to be on Derbision, so. We don't want to be. It'll show up at some point. I'd like to see Bob with a hickie. That'd be a great side.

Okay. Anyways, well, Kyle Bush got lucky, so speak, and wins at Talladega. How is the race for y'all? How many times you hear Sweet Home Alabama while you were down there? Not once? I think twice, maybe. Wow. Yeah, they played a lot on that loudspeaker.

Yeah. I heard it twice. I didn't hear it. If I did. wouldn't pay attention, I guess. Did you hear the song Talladega? Did not. Damn.

Somebody's got up their game. Somebody had, was it track house? Somebody had somebody playing music right behind their hall. It was pretty interesting. Was it a pit bull? No, it wasn't pit bull. I don't, like it was, you know, we were back there, you know, we were in a garage before the race starts.

And I'm like, man, that concert is like, you know, you can normally not hear the concert in the garage. And I'm like, who the hell is playing on the front stretch? It sounds like they're right here. And then I realized the trackhouse guys were right behind the hall. When you walk, when you walk about. the track house hauler it's like walking by a best buy yeah LEDs oh it's like a nightclub mixed with yeah i mean it's it's next level it's i think it's cool

he always has something going on something like something new pretty cool with that team well i i guess i'll start off with brett because i don't think that the other well i don't know freddie will have much to say here but it seems like he's in a great mood yeah clearly did you watching the race from home did you miss it were you happy you were not there. Listen, I would spot every race the rest of my life if I could fly in, spot the race and fly home, but it's just not that way. I'll cut.

Let me specify. I would fly in and spot every cup. You can fly in and fly out the same day. Yeah. At Leske over here. Truck series. No, I don't know how anybody would sign up to do that other than a lifestyle is good. But now, Casey, like, I miss the racing.

I miss the spotting. I miss the competing. I don't miss all the other things. You know what I mean? Like, I don't miss the flying. I'm not a big flyer. I get, I mean, Freddy will tell you, I'm scared of death on an airplane. If we hit a bump, I'm like, we're dying, and the wings falling off.

Hale's coming through the windshield. The pilot's going to get shot by somebody. Like, I have a nervous wreck on an airplane. So I don't miss the flights, the hotels. But look, I still get to do it, right? So I get to go to half the races. But Talladega is one of my favorite racetracks. I went in college.

I took 20 cases of beer tied to the top of an RV. And we ran out. What was wrong putting them in the RV? On Thursday. We parked on. Thursday and we ran out on Sunday. My buddies were, they were having a hard time putting their tin up, you know, because we were in an RV.

So they like, everybody was hanging out on the way there. We were drinking on the way there, the ones that weren't, the one that wasn't driving. My stepdad, Roy Gramps was driving. But on Sunday night, after the race was over, after we run out of beer and none of us can drive, they're like, you guys can't stay on the infield tonight. And you're like, wait, what? So we had to pack all these shit up, driving out of the tunnel. And then we just slept till we were sober enough to drive home.

That explains that thread they always have after Tadale with the stuff people left behind. Yeah. Because if you're so drunk, you don't know what the hell is I'm leaving. I've already been checking Twitter to see when not. I hope it's not that way anymore. But back in 1996, they kicked us out of the infield after the race. I don't assume it's not that way. I would hope.

With the late race starts now too? I would hope not. But Brett, referring to yesterday's race and watching it from start to finish on the broadcast, did you miss it? or did you think it was not worth the tar? Man, I don't think a lot of people are going to like this answer because I'm going to break down what my struggle is with super speedway racing because I've been trying to figure it out.

Because I love plate racing, super speedway racing. It's literally my favorite thing to do while I'm at the racetrack. But from my perspective, super speedway racing in general has become way too predictable. It used to be, we didn't know who was going to work well with who and who was going to pit win and who was going to push who. And now the OEMs have precedents. And then the team orders have precedents. And then the stage breaks tell us when we know yellows are coming. So when I used to go into this race, Casey with Elliott Sadler, with Jeff Burton, with Clint Boyer, with Justin Haley, it changed. When Elliot and I would go, there were so many unknowns. And then the tandem thing

happened and you needed a dancing partner. And then we undefiated. And then we undefiates. And then we undid the tandem thing and then the oem's got so involved during my time at stuart hoss with clint boyer and ford went down there and stewart hoss dominated that race i mean we kicked our tails that day so when i i watched this race now i'm able to predict a lot of things that are going to happen i'm going to be able to predict the window of the manufacturers pitting together and so i just missed the unpredictability of it freddie if that makes sense because there's we used to go in this thing go i don't know what the hell's going to happen for 188 laps yeah i mean you know i'm sure we'll get into the package itself more but yeah there's no you know it's it's it's you're kind of locked

locked in where you get in everybody has pre you know i'd everybody you see all the spotters there early sunday morning or or saturday because they have meetings with their manufacturers um you know everybody on the roof stands together manufacturer based it's just it's that's what it comes down to now and and these guys have packs where they're going to work together until a certain point on the last lap. And it's just where, you know, like you said, like everybody, Toyota's yesterday, first age, for example, we could run until about lap 35, 36. So ideally we want to be the third group down pit road.

Just, you know, get, don't let, you know, be on there by ourselves, safe first stop, get through, get done. Nobody pit yet. So we had a hard number of, all right, we got to come this lap. So we came and then you see a couple laps later, the Chevy's come. then a couple laps later, all the forwards come. And, you know, it's just, that's all it is. And especially with the stage breaks, you know, okay, I can, the biggest thing here,

and I don't know why we don't address this, as like we did at the road courses, we're basing everything off the stage break, because we know that if we just pit here, we can get to the stage break, and then we can fill it up at the stage break. And then we're going to do this. We're going to run X amount of laps. Then we can pit here, just put enough gas in to make it to the stage break, and we're going to fill up at the stage break again. And if you don't have them stage breaks, you're running the race completely different.

And it's, you know, it could be open up a bigger window of, you know, sometimes we see the Chevy's pit super early in a run. They'll come down 10 laps before anybody get their group up and then try to get single file and make up time on the big pack while we're, you know, while we're still out there. So I don't know. Like I wish that we would do the same thing. We do the road courses. Get rid of them stage breaks. And it would kind of lend itself to a little bit more unpredictability, I think. Yeah, I don't like the stage breaks at plate racing.

I just think it you're, there's no, what ifs. There's no, it's like, hey, we're going to pit here. We're going to pit a lap later. And then you got a group that pits a few laps later and then it's right back to almost the same thing. My least favorite thing on top of what I just said, it being too predictable is I watched Ler & Hart go from, I believe, 18th to first and two laps to win that race one time. You can't do that now unless there's a big rack. Absolutely no way to do that.

Track position is almost as important as it is at somewhere like a Marzbold. I'm not telling you that things can't happen as the Cs Camp Park and you can't make a move out of sheer luck. But once you're in line and lined up, it's a track position race. So you see the cars like, it's so weird because you got like the, you had the HMS cars. They literally just rode around on the bottom, not even trying to get to the front. They did their pit cycle. They timed it right, got everything right. They're back to there to the front now.

I want to see guys that are good plate racers be able to make moves to get to the front and I didn't see any guy that's a really good plate racer make a move that sprung him to the front. He got, if he got lucky, Bubba jumped up into the second lane or third lane one time and got third lane, I think. Yeah, you don't pull the train.

He got pushed in like a lap and a half to the lead and then that was it for the third lane. It fell back, Bubba got up to the front. But there's no way guys like, Joey and Brad and the guys like that can make moves from the back and knife through there. There's no middle lane. There's no way to take a run to the outside, get some cars and then get back in line. Everybody, it is a 200 mile an hour parade lap and nobody can go anywhere.

I mean, Chase Elliott, respectable Super Speedway racer, he can't make as well. I mean, none of the guys that are good. The cream cannot rise to the top there without getting super lucky. They can't make their moves at their skill. it doing. Yeah. And it, the, you know, to talk about the third lane, you know, it would form up a couple times. You'd see it. And they were able to get to maybe the, you know, midpack at best at most of the time. But then all that did was split the middle lane up and then made the bottom more dominant. You could see like the Toyota's, we were all lined up on the second lane and we could

run even with the leaders, run even with the leaders forever. If a third lane ever formed and it was, you know, it was outside of maybe the ninth or tenth place car in the second lane, it was. It break that second lane up and we would just continue to lose spots we'd get cleared by four or five guys on the bottom versus being neck and neck with the leader so you know i don't know what the answer is but this package just isn't it just doesn't lend itself and and to your point like it doesn't matter like you know like used to be when we would go to these races um it you know bubba and i you know we were pretty good at this when the old car you know and um obviously we're not bad at it i well maybe a questionable like last like yesterday but You were good at it for like 500.1 miles. But, you know, it was, you know, like there's, it's just, you know, situational.

Like, we shook out in the front and we could stay there and know how to maintain that position. But if we were buried in 20th, we were going to be buried in 20th all day. You know, like, that's just the way that package is. So it's, you know, it's, I don't know, I think it's probably really low down. I heard they had good meetings about the short track package this week. All the drivers seem a little bit encouraged about that. I would assume short tracks and everything else is kind of a lot higher priority because we only run four speedway races a year or I guess six if you count Atlanta now. But that's actually more short tracks than we run if you think about it because they took a Bristol away.

I mean, to me it goes back. You look at Martinsville. Those things look like they're stuck. There's no like they're barely they barely slid the rears when they're throttle up. I mean, tell me back in the day, could you downshift at Martins in the middle of the corner? No. And just hammer down. That's what Tyler Redick was doing. He's down shifting in the middle of the corner. And when he hammers down, he's going full throttle.

So he's doing. He got 600 horsepower and a big tire. Well, these guys, like, why are the Exfini cars so much harder to drive than it? You see John Hunter, what did he do in the Xfini race? He came all the way to the top and got loose. Cup cars are not getting loose. The only time they fight handling issues there. I mean, the 54 was fighting loose, but he was still up there racing.

But you don't see guys. Most times when we have a wrecked. there it's just guys swiping bumpers or throwing bad blocks like the exfini cars at least you can manipulate air a little bit more and like john hunter he come all the way to top and got loose and spun out by himself a cup car is not even close to doing that well there's times when a track gets changed like a charlotte like a texas and it makes the racing suffer this track is not the problem this track is four lanes wide everywhere five lanes wide at times and you're able to run two by two and that's it's not the track's fault. It's this car's fault and I hope the fans use their voice to make it known because

there's a lot of empty seats there and people are going to stop watching and this should be one the most exciting products of the year and I'm going to be honest with you. I had more fun watching Freddie rub his ass cross cheese grater than watching stage one again. I wouldn't think I would enjoy that at all, actually. I would agree. There's going to be proponents that say like, oh, you know, your old package, you know, all you guys did was get single file and right around the top. But we got single file right around the top because it was unpredictable and the cars were on edge and massive runs were coming but at least at that point you like if you if I'm running midpack in that package I know that if we get a couple guys together we can do something

we can make progress if this car you're you're buried wherever you're at then would as soon as danny got five or six guys he'd do it he would do it five times before he actually got enough to people he'd get some people drive past 10 12 cars wouldn't be enough they'd fall back all the way to the back and two laps later who's the only guy on the bottom again here comes danny i mean it was relentless until he got enough people but guess what if he finally got enough people it would make it work so only major unknown for me is when when it's a big one going to happen and the problem is for me once you take the white and this is where i think baba got himself in trouble yesterday and blaney because they're both being super aggressive bubba is blocking very aggressively

blaney is trying to pass him very aggressively but at that point that you take the white flag, you're only racing until they wreck. You're not racing back to the checker. How many races came back to the checker? Does Atlanta count? I mean, it's, that's the only unknowns for me. I wish they wrecked Atlanta.

That'd have been great. But, yeah. You'd be in a playoff of it, woulda? I, um, like, there's just no. Or if you've done what Bubba done, you might have been to playoff. Or head on into the wall. Yeah, I don't,

the only time I think they're going to wreck in these scenarios, is when the intensity picks up when there's something to race for at the end. Otherwise, I don't know. We're not going to see the aggressive blocking like at the end with Bubba on lap 15 of the race. We're not going to see it. And there's no reason to see it that anyway.

But like these guys are literally, it's the most controlled two by two at 200 mile an hour that I've seen. Listen, the only, the only, the only, it's, we're talking about being situational. The only reason that we're even in position is that because the 54 runs out of gas coming to the green and kills the bottom line.

You know what I mean? I was happy about that. Me too. But, you know, like if that doesn't happen, we're just going to run side by side to the end. You know what I mean? Like, it's going to be even lanes. I don't know that, I mean, we would have probably eventually tried to back up to you and do something with the eight. But, like, if the 54 doesn't, if they take off even in the eight and the 12 stay side by side or I think the 12 was lead at that point, right?

Like, I don't know what you could do. Like, I don't know what to, I won't know where to build a run from there. You know what I mean? Like, there's nothing you can do. If you go three wide to the outside, you're right? You're just going to kill that lane. Yeah. How does that impact, I know, at Super Speedways, and even they talked about on the broadcast yesterday, OEMs working together, and just you have your marching orders from that standpoint as far as who you know you could draft with.

How did that impact who you worked with? I mean, it didn't really. It didn't change anything. You got to the car. You looked for, you don't see, unless it's your direct teammate, like, unless you've been working with him. But it has to line up before that. You're not going to go, oh, we just went to white flag. where's my teammate you're taking every momentum that you have at that time you're reacting to you don't

you're pushing harder you don't see car numbers or manufacturers on that white flag you're getting pushed harder i don't care who it is i'm finding a bumper and getting yeah okay we got to the eight and what are we going to do we got no choice we're shoving that eight because first of all if you guys get wrecking like on the outside or whatever and we keep the green we're going to shove the eight all the way around until we get off a turn four and probably go outside or inside or whatever so you're you're looking for whatever your best play is at that point on that last life? And the drivers are smarter than they've ever been, and the spotters up there for the most part are better than they've ever been.

It's a lot different than when I got here and stood on the Daytona 500 roof in 2001, and nothing against these guys, but the majority of spotters at that time were pilots of the drivers or truck drivers or shot guys that weren't needed on race day, right? So spotting has become a craft. It has become – it's changed a ton over the past 20. 25 years. Thanks to Freddie, it's become a craft. But because we've all gotten so good at it, and we all understand it. Like, I was sitting there, a Gramps yesterday, watching the race,

and I was saying, watch for this, watch for this. The second car in line is actually the one in control of this line. When they can get tandem, they can bring that outside back to the front. And it's, we all understand it now. We can't, quote, see the air like Dale Earnhardt could, but we certainly understand what it takes to make runs, get momentum. And I pray to God they do something in this package before we get back to Daytona. Well, when would they need to make that decision, right? Daytona's a little bit different product, though. It ain't much different.

It's worse. I think. It's more narrow. I think it has a chance to be a little bit better. I thought the 500 was a better race. It won't be better than a night race. No chance. 70 degrees.

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Where did he come from? First topic, Kyle Bush says in the Martinsville race that Corey Lejoy quote slammed down into me and then admitted on his podcast that he wanted to crash me and create a yellow. He didn't get penalized even though Hamlin did. Spot on, spot off, Freddie. Spot off. I don't really get it. We talk about consistency all the time and, uh, and Courtney doubled down on it. Like, listen, here's the quote, you know, so I just hung a left. I was hoping to catch his right front tire and hook him in the fence and get the caution that I needed. that sounds like race manipulation to me

but he doubled down on it he set it on serious radio on Monday and then he came back and set it on his podcast and then NASCAR themselves posted on the NASCAR YouTube channel the clip of Corey talking about intentionally hanging your left turn into Kyle Bush and trying to wreck him

so I don't know I don't see the difference Brett I have bad short-term memory Andrew so I'm going to ask that you put another thing in the show for next week because I am going to defer what happens here until we see what happens tomorrow with NASCAR. And I would assume that the integrity of the penalty has been looked at for over the course of the past week. We go back to Bubba Wallace, who was fined for saying he wrecked someone on purpose. No, we spun somebody. We spun our, we spun out on purpose. We got suspended for wrecking the five. We got fined for saying we intentionally spun out. But you got fine for what you said.

Yes. Not what you did. Yes. Okay. Denny got. find points and money for what he said, not for what he did. So proved to me, and I like Cory LaJoy a lot. I think he's lost a fucking mind right here. You're literally two weeks removed from a guy losing points and money, and you're going to turn around and publicly say that you did it on purpose, trying to do this outcome. I said it on the show. I feel like one of the reasons Denny got hammered is because he has a podcast. And I guess I should have said, a podcast owned by Dirty Mo Media because Corey LaJoy also has a podcast and his podcast is owned by who? NASCAR.

NASCAR. So if he gets away with this, then I want a podcast on NASCAR. Then I can go say whatever I want. I talked to some people yesterday and they're like, well, you know the difference is, you know, Denny succeeded in what he wanted and Corey didn't. I don't know what you're talking about. Denny squeezed Ross in the fence. And then if they wrecked down the backstretch, it was because Ross was just.

break checking him the long the length of the back straightaway they kept running into each other they finished but they both finished the race danny just squeezed him in the wall cori hung her left and knocked and knocked and knock Kyle down towards the wall Kyle didn't wrecked i mean i don't like there's it's the same scenario repeated yeah they all finished both times yeah i'm spot off i think um you probably give danny his money back listen i mean like i here's what i would love to say say whatever the hell you want that's what i'm saying if you wrecked guy on purpose you you ought to be able to say versus Ryan Priest who we know Rick Kyle Larson on purpose.

We know that. Oh, I got loose there. I'm off. You did not. You're lying. You can see Ryan smirking in that interview. I mean, if somebody in the NFL knocks the dog piss out of somebody else, they get up and get over the top of them and they get him, oh, I meant to knock your head off.

And here we're like, oh, I didn't mean to hit that guy. What race am I talking about? Bristol, mid to late 90s. Guy, one driver gets into another. cage. Oh, Terry Labony Del Earnhardt. Meant to do it. Yeah.

Gets out. Says he meant to do it. I meant to rattle his cage. Yeah, I meant to rattle his cage, which means you meant to get into him. Yeah. But you wrecked him. Obviously, it was a great finish and, you know, a great highlight of the sport. Good racing.

I hate when we think our fans are dumb. And that's exactly what we're asking them to be here. Like, I hate when I'm watching it on TV and they're overselling something. And I'm like, man, that ain't what's happening here. Our fans know better than this. This is no different. fans know that priests wrecked Larson on purpose? Yeah, you're patronizing.

And our fans know that Denny was doing what he was doing with Ross on purpose. They don't like each other. So to make them go online and lie about it just drives me bananas. Just let them be themselves. When we talk about last week we talked about, we need superstars around here. Well, how are you going to get superstars when they're afraid to tell you the truth and when they're afraid to get canceled? Yeah.

They're afraid of cancel culture with their phones and whatever they say on social media and whatever saying in interviews, and they're afraid to tell you the fans of truth because they're going to get fine points of money. What the fuck are we doing? But then if the consensus is to let them do what they want, let them admit it, wouldn't that on the back end cause a lot more wrecks and a lot more drama?

It's not going to cause any more wrecks. You're just looking for honesty. I don't think guys are going to go out there and intentionally wreck somebody just so they can talk about it after the race. No. I think that, you know, it's just you're just looking for honesty out of these guys. And listen, maybe if they don't penalize Corey, we open that back up a little bit.

But when they're honest, now, you know what? Because we see rivalries build from that. Then when two guys get near each other, you're kind of like, oh, what's going to happen here? Which is, you know, it's suspense, right? Casey Boat should be able to get out of her Audi out here and say, I'm sick of this I wrecked TJ's Tesla because I'm tired of him bumping into me at stoplights. She should be able to say that. She shouldn't have to say, TJ, I'm sorry about your car.

My throttle stuck behind you. I didn't mean to hit you. I mean, let's just be honest with each other. I mean, you talk about inconsistency. Somebody's going to have to explain to me what the difference between what Josh Williams did at Atlanta and what Austin Hill did at Talladega is because Austin Hill left pit road.

They're going green. Something falls off his car. It makes the yellow come out for a second overtime. And for the record, Freddie, Austin's car looked a lot worse than Josh Williams. Yeah. And then I saw him riding around, you know, it looked like track bar or something must have been broke in the back of it.

So roughly the car was worse looking. Way worse. Undrivable looking. Yeah. I mean, Casey's out when she runs in. Josh could have finished

the race with no problem that day. Or I mean, maybe no problem, but he had barely. But what's the difference there? You parked, you parked Josh. And then,

I don't know, I wasn't there spot. Are you still there? Or did you leave? I know that they were letting the 21 ride around. I don't think. For unlimited laps until they went green. I think he knew.

I think he knew that he had to park it because he wasn't going to be able to finish the race the way his car was. But I don't, I didn't hear any penalties. So that's even worse, really. Absolutely. Because now you've got another.

chance for something to fall off the car and prolong the thing or not meeting minimum speed there is no listen that car wasn't going to run it wasn't going to meet minimum speed that thing was when i saw it took up two car widths wide of the it was dog tracking so bad i think that's what if you see me scratching different parts of my body tj it's because i sat out by fire and pigeon for this weekend i got mosquito bites on me i didn't know mosquitoes were out why didn't you wear a shirt so if i like do my back towards you like this where you just kind of why were you out by a fire with no shirt on I had a shirt on. I had a shorts.

What do they bite through the shirt? Yeah, they go up in my sleeves. Mosquitoes think that I'm like dessert. Where is this coming from? They just come suck on me all over my body. Oh, God. Suck the blood out of me. Like, right here my hand's itching and my ankles are itching.

Now everything's going to in it. Are you sure it's not like poisonizing? All right. All right. All right. Let's move on. Ross Chastain went three wide on a late race restart and makes contact with Gregson,

Almorola, and Blaney, who were collected in a multi-car crash. Spot on, spot off, TJ. Sorry, I started laughing there. I got to tell this really quick. So Earl's down there next to me. Oh, God.

First of all. Earl spots from Noah, by the way. Every five minutes, hey, who spots for that car? Which car do you got again? Ben then. So they were short on fuel. So nothing's changed with Earl. No.

20 years the same, Earl. We don't know what's going on with what team and driver. He told me. I said, Earl, are you short on fuel? Hello, Earl. I'm just kidding. And he looks over and he goes, no, we can run. Six more laps.

and I we only had like two he's like something it did a math was like four laps off and I go Earl it's lap 189

or we were already in overtime he's like oh like it was like four laps short on where he thought he was supposed to go

but um look man I mean I'm not spot on for the wreck but you gotta know who's behind you

if you leave the door three quarters of the way open that one car is going through it. The train has a lot of steam. And at the end of a race, that train has even more steam. So you got to be aware of your surroundings at this point and realize who's behind you. At that point, if I'm Noah, I don't even care where the inside row is. I am looking in the mirror at that one car and making sure that bumper stays attached to mine and going forward.

I mean, yeah, he's probably going to poke out at some point. But that third lane was hard in the front. He wasn't going to go to the third lane without getting some help right then. I don't know. I mean, you can't, you can't leave the door open like that and then close it right away. If you leave it open for, I mean, less than a second, they're there. So you can't do that. Yeah. I know it's easy to say it's the don't go to FI tour rolls on. I don't blame Ross for that. But I think if you listen to my audio coming to green, we were about third or fourth in that line. And I just said to Bubba, I said the 42 is leading to one second in this line.

He's going to ship this kid at some point. Like if you're Ross, there's nothing against Noah. I thought Noah did a pretty good job yesterday. He gave an untimely push to Harrison and three and four as they went over a bump and it turned Harrison. I don't think that was anything egregious on Noah's part. So I thought he did a good job. But in this situation, Ross isn't going to ride behind Noah. It's just if you know Ross, you know the way Ross races.

He's going to do everything he can to get rid of you and especially with the five behind him. And they're just shoving. You know, he definitely shoved Noah up a lane to five is up. Ross is as shoving him. And like you said, the hole opens up. And it's the overtime restart. He's not going to go, all right, yeah, come on back down. No, it'll be fine.

You know, he's going to fill the hole. And he was probably to his wheel almost when Noah decided to come back down and close the hole off. And unfortunately for Noah, your race is over at that point. Like you have two options. You can just get out of line or you can wreck half the field. And they tried to squeeze the hole back close and it was way too late. And they, you know, it caused a big one. But, yeah, I don't blame Ross at all for that.

Noah made two mistakes. He opened the door and he squeezed them down to the point that the guy who was on the bottom was literally run on the apron because of how little room Noel was giving egregious. E-G-R-E-G-I-O-U-S, outstandingly bad, as Freddie just said. Ross didn't do anything egregious. I said, no, it didn't do any egregious. Noah didn't know anything egregious. That was the wreck that the 41 and 5 were in, right? Yes. It's unfortunate to see the 21 have having a good day. I mean, leading the race in a position to have a good day finally, and that kid needs one, and then to literally just get wrecked. An amazing save one who's part? If you watch the video, there's a slow-mo video of it, you can see it's the tunnel,

you know, where they put the new tunnel in over there. Right as he gets over, there's a change of color on the asphalt there, and right as he comes to the end of that asphalt, the car does a dip, and at the same time, no, hits him, and it's over. Yeah, now the don't give a B-Hoot tour is 100% innocent. He did what he's supposed to do. He's got to move. He's got to run.

I mean, everybody would have drove over there at that point. Why would Noah go to the top when the top hadn't worked all day? Noah's going to watch out back and realize he screwed up. How about before we get to the 41 of the five, where were you at when the 21 spun? I don't remember. 18th, 20th, 30th? I don't know. I saw it happen.

Well, no. When I looked up there, I had no idea where he went. I was like, put it on my God. We were second in line. And when they built that tunnel in three and four, I don't know what they did, but the campers are higher now for whatever reason. They weren't that high. I think they built the infield up.

I think they raised the ground up when they put the tunnel in. But like Noah's leading. I mean, Harrison's leading the second line, a bottom line. We're in the second and top. And all of a sudden we go in a three. And Harrison disappears. The 21's gone. I'm like, where the hell do you go?

He's gone. And I told Bub, I said, oh, just so you know, I really didn't pay attention to this early, but I never saw him once he got below the line. So like there's something. But yeah, but that. the five and the 41. I saw a picture of the five car when I got on the plane with the doorbars torn out of it. And then I saw the end car video of the 41.

And like as bad as mad as I was about the way the race ended, then I was just thankful because Ryan's a really good friend of mine. I was like, man, are you all right? And he texted me back. He said, yeah, I'm just pissed off. But I mean, that was vicious looking. That was really scary looking. Well, here was my take on this thing as I watched it play out.

First of all, I was scared for their safety as I was on multiple times on Saturday's race. I mean, we know a lot of these guys, if not all these guys, sometimes that are involved in these wrecks. So it's hard on the heart to watch somebody you have a friendship with tumling down to racetrack or getting hit into the door or, you know, teaboning somebody and watching their head bounce off their steering wheel. And we as a sport in 2001, and I'm going to go and kind of side with Freddie on something. He's settled out on this show last year. 2001 we lost Ellerin Hart and I don't know how many lives have been saved since then I know Michael McDowell's I know Elliott Sadlers I could keep going with the list but I won't as a sport you look at football they change the helmets right trying to protect the guy they change where you

can hit a quarterback when he's defenseless they change where you can hit a receiver when he's defenseless like sports are constantly trying to protect athletes because the sport consistently gets faster I mean you guys were running a hundred Not you guys, but your drivers are running 195 miles an hour yesterday around that racetrack. We've seen guys go 202 miles an hour. We're constantly getting faster and faster with this car that is meant to be potentially slower because of technology. My point is this, in a world where we're trying to make everything safer and safer, we've got guys like Kyle Larson getting out of the car saying, man, my cockpits destroyed.

And you could tell he was scared. Like he was truly thankful that he was okay, but he was also like, man, my cockpit's destroyed. And had that been driver's side, what would have happened? And I think Freddie kept saying last year, like, why would we do anything that's not as safe as it was, if not as safer? So, you know, knowing what we know about the concussions last year, knowing what we know about rear impacts, like I think as a sport. And listen, I know they're working on it. Like, we just got to keep plowing forward with making this thing as safe as it can be. If that Hans, do we know if pre-s set on the Hans device that like Ricky and Larson

them like to wear? I think he had a Hans. I think he had normal Hans device. Because his, it looked like his head hit the steering wheel. No, it didn't hit. It was close, but like if you slow it down enough, you can see where the Hans or whatever he's wearing. Because at first when I watched it at full speed, I thought his head hit the wheel and

that's what flipped his shield up. Yeah. But I think the force of the wreck is what flipped the shield up. And then you can see his head heading to the wheel and then it stops. and I think that's the Hans or whatever head and neck restraint he has working. I think all the safety stuff in Ryan's car watching that video, it

worked. But at the same time, he's still absorbing way too much of the wreck. You know, like the violent, just the images are so violent that we have to figure out a way that the driver isn't absorbing all that energy. That was the biggest thing we did with safer

barriers and the way the cars kind of, you know, they crushed. So the car took the energy. the driver and you see that yesterday and Ryan like if you watch the whole thing like Ryan thinks he's through the wreck you know what I mean like he's checking up he's checking up okay now he you know he's downshifting and right as he down shifts wham you know he like that's when he you know hits the 50 the five but like you know I think everything safety wise work the seat actually gives a little bit but you know just the the amount of violence in the driver itself like that's something that

needs to be addressed they all walked away and that's all we all want to see you know you just You could tell Larson was distraught. Yeah. And I think, you know, and I heard a lot of people, I was one of them yesterday. Like, thank God that wasn't driver's door. But I went back and looked and the driver's side is reinforced a lot more than the passenger side. So they have more structural plates in that side of the car than I think it was Boise. That was tweeting images if you want to go look them up.

But, you know, so, but still at the same time, that doesn't excuse anything because a bar from the right side could have just easily come across the car. if you look at that picture where the the top door bar, roll bar, not roll bar, but the top of the door bar there is pushed over up above the window and then over to the left. Towards the driver. Yeah, towards the driver.

So, I mean, if that thing snaps off, it's a spear going at them instead of just bending. Good news is they took that car back to R&D Center. Yeah, I've seen they took a bunch of that O2, I think, back from Saturday. So, you know, that's where they, that's, and unfortunately, sometimes stuff like this is where, you know, this is how you kind of learn, you know,

what to do to make better. You'll never recreate that. exact wreck again no matter how hard you try you mentioned like a larsen who obviously and rightfully so was scared after that and and a lot of guys have had some pretty vicious wrecks well larcen's locked into the playoffs so who's to say like is there a rule out there that says he can't race like he is not able to say i'm not racing talladaygo because i don't feel safe there yeah you can't have to get a waiver you must start all the races and that would be one where they wouldn't i would hope like but you could Casey to your point I mean you could have food poisoning and you could run

a lap yeah and you could get out and let just now I got to get in it I twisted my oh I mean just I sprained my knee yesterday I mean I'm sure that are they asking for doctor notes when you when you apply for your waiver right I mean you're putting yourself at risk when you're already lost in the playoffs you can you start to race but I mean if you don't have to listen but then you're you're making valid points Casey um and I'm not discounting them but these guys aren't normal They're animals. They have a sickness. I mean, me and Freddie, I've talked about it at length with friends of ours that get injured in race cars that have no reason to ever get back in another race car because they're wealthy and because they have kids and because they have families and they're in their 40s.

And they've been told by doctors if this happens again, you may not be okay. You may lose your life. You may have forever, you know, concussion symptoms. You may have all these problems and they can't wait to get back in the damn car. I mean, it's a terrible disease. Yeah. I mean, Greg Biffle, I was listening to an interview with him yesterday. God, I should bring up something here, but I won't.

You can't just say that. I know, but Greg Biffel was talking about an interview. I mean, you could tell at 50 years old that he truly would love to get back in a race car. And it's like you asked me earlier, do I miss the spotting aspect of it? I mean, looking back on it, my answer is similar to Biffle's because Biffle was like, I miss being in the race car. I don't miss being in a wreck. I don't miss doing 100 autograph sessions a year and being away from home to have to do them.

But you could tell in his voice, if somebody calls him right now and says, hey, would you like to run it over this weekend in a cup car? He'd say, yeah, I'm in. Yeah, 100%. Moving on. Austin Dillon said there's not really much you can do out there. Track position is key. It's a struggle to make turns, echoing other driver's comments about the difficulty to pass at Super Speedways.

TJ, spot on, spot off. He's 100% right. There's two lanes and the third lane's not really, it's hard to get it to even do anything. So these guys can't do it. I mean, they just can't do much. You're stuck. The biggest thing I've taken away from this style of plate racing now is

the only thing that matters in the entire race is how much fuel you have to put in your car on the last pit stop. because that's all we do all day long is right around saving fuel. Minimize time on pit road at the last pit stop. Yeah, because literally all we do all day long, and this is why you saw a third lane sometimes, the 12, at one point us in the 12 or maybe Gibbs into 12, we're leading the two lines and we're pushing the 24,

we're running like 60, 70% throttle. Ryan Blaney leading the race. Because, yeah, because the top lines getting there because we're not going as fast as we can. If we were going as fast as we can, the top lane never has a chance to form up. And these guys are literally just saving fuel because that will, you know, we did it at one of the stage breaks where we, the first stage we got towards the back and we just pit before one of the breaks and knew the stage was coming. So we pit, put fuel in it, and we just rode around in the back because we knew that we saved enough fuel, we jumped half to three quarters of the field as soon as we come down pit road because they have to wait on, they have to wait on, say, six seconds of fuel and we only got to take four. Well, that two seconds is a huge difference on pit road.

So, you know, and Danny did it. You see Danny, Danny actually executed a lot better than us because in my mind it was, okay, just save fuel, we'll jump up there and be fine. Danny actually raced a little bit, gained about maybe seven, eight spots more than us. Well, we came out of pit road. We were 10th. He was leading. So now it's like, okay, when you're in that position,

you've got to kind of push a little bit to just get, even to go from 35th to 25th to 25th and now you're going to jump everybody on pit road. So the whole race strategy now is literally just saving fuel as much as you can, defend the lane. You know, obviously we had to push a little bit if the third lane got there. We kind of pushed the, you know, took off again in the middle and made it fade. But the whole race, I mean, do you really want a race where we're all riding around at 70% throttle just kind of trying to ride? I mean, the guy's leading the lanes maybe have to be a little bit more, but I think Blaney was still running 70% or so. He was saving fuel, leading the race on the bottom lane. Yeah.

And we rode in the back. What's different here is at Daytona, when the groups would pit separate, they would get spread out. You know what I mean? Like you'd have the Chevy group four or five seconds at front of the next group, and then that next group would kind of here when they all came out. It was one big pack. And that was the problem if you pitted late, even if you took less fuel,

the pack was so big and it was so fast that it made up the time for fuel. That's what we kind of fought a little bit. We thought we'd be better. But the pack formed, and instead of having a 6-8-car line, you had 15, 8, 20 cars in a big pack all bunched together, I mean, flying. Moral of the story is stopping for stage breaks is stupid at Talladega and Daytona. That's a moral of story. You can pay your points.

You can make that lap have a meaningful purpose in terms of the outcome of the race and the outcome of playoffs, but stop stopping this particular race for stage breaks. We know it. Like what three of us have done it, I guarantee numerous times. If you're, what happens is we get down to the end of the stage, you know, you're running, we've got two lanes, two lanes, whatever. We're running. We're running. We're running. Five to go on the stage. If you're running like 15th or worst, guess what happens? You lift and get the, get that. You know, that just diminishes the racing at the end of the stage.

If you know you can't finish top 10. Yeah, get out. There's no point B and nowhere near. So you see last year yesterday, if you go back and watch the last stage or whatever, the first stage, I think we were riding in the back anyway because we had Pitt. But you just see more cars coming back to us. More cars coming back to us. I don't know how in the NASCAR debrief, they can't see what we're seeing and realize this is detrimental to that race. Yeah.

It's the same as road courses. Same thing. After the race, Bubba Wallace said, I caused that one, not the 12th's fault at all. After he was involved in a multi-car incident on the last lap. Freddie, spot on, spot off.

Spot on. Yeah, I mean, spot off, obviously. Just going back, I mean, I thought we did about as good as we could for 99% of that race. Last restart, like I said, to 54. I could just take it through it from my side of it. 54 runs out of gas coming to green, so I knew our lane was going to get the big shove, and three or four of us were going to get clear up there. So we got clear.

TJ got clear. T.J.'s guy got clear. Six. I knew it was going to probably fade the bottom because the top kind of fell apart a little bit behind him. So we, with six goes bottom, we go bottom. We're pushing the eight. get linked up with Blaney out back. We go through three and four, coming to the white.

I told Bubba pushed the eight out. We pushed the eight out as far as we could, and then back up to the six. That's your idea is trying to get the eight on an island. So you push them out as far as you can. Back up to the six. Now you've got the run on the eight. We had to defend a little bit on the six off of four,

maintained our run, got the run on the twilight, which I don't know, Blaney keeps saying we threw three blocks. If he thinks we threw a block passing, passing, I think there's counting one passing the eight as a block, but we were just taking a run on the eight. Yeah.

So we pass him six days down. Didn't surprise me. Pick up Blaney. I thought we were in good shape there. Told him once we get clear of the eight, Blaney's going to get clear. He's going to go bottom, be ready for it. We went bottom.

And when we went bottom, we got loose. And it wasn't nobody's fault. You know, I think, I don't know if Bubba just maybe too aggressively blocked to the bottom, but we got free on entry to one, drove across the apron. From that point on, the only block I remember calling and I have to go back and listen like I I listened to a little bit but I still have to go back again I called the block on Blaney and we got loose drove across the apron from that point on I thought we were wrecking the whole time you know what I mean I thought that I'm like

oh he's going to chase this thing up the hill so I just said like keep coming top keep coming and if I had known going back and looking at it he did regather himself off the apron and then throw a second block that was a little late Blaney got us in the right rear and just got us out of shape and we spun nothing Blaney did wrong obviously he's trying to take any run he can hindsight going back looking at it if I knew he was in control and and was not I just was shocked that he saved it for one we needed to be on the bottom we should have just let Blaney go to the top because he had no help the 17 had split the two that lane was going to stall out we needed to go back to the bottom pick up the eight and the six or we're going to have the momentum off of two and and

race them for the win but you get we've talked about on here a thousand times you get in that position where what's rule number one protect your right rear the guy coming with the runs going to your right rear so in my mind if even if i had said you know block the top or take the top that's what you're thinking like you're thinking you can block that 12 and get back to the eight if you stall them but it's just it was a late blocking but i think bubba said in his interview i had i didn't see it yet but i heard people say that he he took blame for it um you know it was it was it was what it was but like we talk about it here all the time like you've got to try and win the race and at that point obviously going back and looking at, our best shot to win the race was blocking the eight on the bottom and trying to take that momentum.

But listen, that's a bit happens pretty fast. And I was just amazed we saved it after driving across the apron. So that was kind of where I was at live mid myself watching TV and going back and look at it's a lot easier to pick apart. Yeah, I mean, we were, I think that's why Brad didn't be any more aggressive at the end of Atlanta. I mean, I think if he goes up, there's probably contact. Does it get him loose and shoot him down? Who knows? I think, um, you know. I think Brad wishes he had that one back. And I think Bubba wishes he had his back because I think Bubba screwed up and I think Brad screwed up. If Joey didn't pass this earlier, Bubba admitted screwing up. Bubba had the most mature interview he's ever had after an old-h-h-moment, to be honest with you. He congratulated Freddie on doing a great job. He congratulated

his team on bringing a fast car. And to be quite honest with you, he was one of the few guys out there that actually made the race exciting for me to watch. So I'm spot on for what Bubba said. I'm spot off how I handled it. And I blame the system. It went in your end, man. Bubba's doing everything he can to block. Blaney's doing everything he can to pass. Bubba tried to hang a right when Blaney was already there, but Blaney was there. It almost looked like when Blaney hit Bubba, it got Bubba so out of shape when he made the move to the bottom. A lot of times you'll get hit and it'll knock you out there. Well, Bubba had to gather it up and because of that, Blaney's momentum just never broke. So no matter which way he was going, he was going to break

the plane to the bumper any second he wanted to. And when he did, Bubba went up, wrecked himself. Obviously, wrecked a lot of cars, but spot on for how he handled it. And again, thank goodness it got exciting but when it did it got real exciting I wish it wasn't as exciting there I wish they would have wrecked behind us that since we took the white that's the thing you're saying like you take the white and you look

and you replay all these scenarios you're never ever racing back to the checker you have to maintain the lead at all cost if you're leading because the race can end at any moment speaking of racing back to the checker flag

what are people going to understand that the field is frozen and why are we racing back to line? Like, you come down and hit me, right? Yeah. Because I thought we were getting right hooked like Daytona. I really thought we were getting right hooked to the, but luckily it hit us in the right front,

and Brad didn't even wrecked. He had to go all the way up to the wall, but we kept our momentum, and we were in fifth place. Good Lord, I mean, we're doing 100 mile an hour still over 100, all the way around to the start finish line, and they're the pack, they're still racing. Like, when the yellow comes out, the field is froze. Like, you can slow down, just finish the lap.

I don't understand why people get on the radio and say, you know, keep going past that guy. Like, it's frozen. Like, you're not, it's from where you were 20 seconds ago, not where you're at now. Like, did you see them all come around to the start, finish? Yeah, I was, I was trying to watch Bubba. But yeah, I saw him racing back to the line like it was a race. The problem is, we have seen some things get changed based on. They were changing it late last night.

They were changing. But I'm fine. I get it first little bit. I totally understand what you're saying, T.J., but maintaining race speed and utilizing scoring loops and was this person in or not in an accident. I've seen a guy get in an accident and they literally give him six or seven spots back. They don't give him where he blended. They give him where he was running when he hit the guy.

You never know, and these drivers know that. And so I don't fault anybody for trying to get the best finish they can get. I totally hear you. Personally, I'm on board with what you're saying, but giving some inconsistent line of. weren't in a wreck. Go back. That's what I'm saying. These guys weren't in the wreck.

Doesn't that raise a safety concern to you? Like, we know there's a caution because there was a wrecked. Like, couldn't you have, I mean, wouldn't that be an issue? It's not not an issue for sure. But again, there's so much ambiguity in some of the things that happen around here. Sorry, TJ, I know it's a big word. T. T.J. is shaking his head like, amble what?

I mean, did you look that up last night? When I was looking at the E word, I found the A word. But no, it just, we're not. omniscient, T.J. Very good. Very good. So it is what it is, man. These guys are, they've been out there for four hours.

They've lost their minds and they just want to get the best finish they can and get out of their say, I feel like these guys are like soldiers going off to war when they land at Talladeg and Daytona. They land and they look at the window and they think, man, I just hope I get to go home after this race. And I truly believe that because this is, that they know their fate is not in their own Hans. Kyle Larson and Ryan Priest and all them guys yesterday, they're in a wreck that was out of their making. They're in a massive wreck pulling tons of G's whiplash. I mean, to replay,

I saw Priest could easily broke his wrist in that crash. Like, I think they truly land at these places. And this is part of the mystique of it. This is part of what makes it great. It's part of what makes some heroes. I think a lot of the mystico is, man, I just want to go home. It is time for the DBCA Maine. What's going on in the dirt world this week? I watched a great race at the Talladega short track, the late model race. Actually, Bobby Pierce was running good, broke a tire, cut a tire or broke a wheel or something. There's a bunch of guys broke a wheels.

Larson was running really well and broke one as well. He actually, I wish the race was about 20 laps longer because he got all the way back up from mid-20s to 7th place at that, at the that track. So Bobby Bobby Pierce was running good, broke a tire, cut a tire or broke a wheel or something. There's a bunch of guys broke a wheel. Larson was running really well and broke one as well.

He actually, I wish the race was about 20 laps longer because he got all the way back up from mid-20s to seventh place at that track. So pretty impressive run by it. Dude, it was, fun of watch. I was wondering, I saw when I drove by the track, drove by the dirt track on the way of the track

on Sunday. They had that and they got a new wall. They built a wall in one and two that they didn't have and it looked like some of the wall like the the two by fours behind the wall, which I'm assuming for billboards, was knocked down. So I don't know. Did somebody get up in the fence? I just saw the feature. I'm sure somebody probably did it. Speaking of that, did you see that Tyler Harris wreck where I don't even know. Was that the sprint car? Sprint car. Yeah. It was that one of five speedway. He went for a ride. As soon as that right where it hit the fence, it like skyrocketed. like the tire was a spring. But did you see, do you see how windy it was, though?

Yeah, oh, yeah. Like it looked like it was super windy there, so I wonder if that had any effect on it. Oh, I mean, the wind up with the size of the wing, you got to think is ridiculous for them guys. But the Teledega short track, that was a big dirt, late mile race too. Yeah, it's like 50,000 to win. Yeah, it was a big race. Everybody know? Yes, Overton.

Overton. That's like, I think two years ago, he was the, he was like the Davenport, like he won all the races. Yeah, pretty sure it was over. Yeah, I've seen pictures of Larson's wheel. Looked at, like, the center section just broke out of Larson's wheel. It did. I don't know about it. They went to take it off. They jacked the car up, and the guy was looking at it like, what do we do now?

But he got, I'm telling you, man, that was, it doesn't matter what dirt car you put this kid in, though. He just goes to the front. It doesn't matter what car you put him in, doesn't it? It's impressive what he does in a short time in a dirt car. He went where, I saw, I think it was Eldora last week. He went and just jumped in somebody's like M-commodified in one. Oh, yeah. Watch that.

It was an Allgaier's car. It was an Allgaier's car. Yeah. It just goes out there and wins. Like there's like the, I think it was this, they said it's like the seventh different class he's won in. He literally just drove around the, he wasn't even running the cushion. You were like a high middle.

If I were a driver, I wouldn't put Kyle Larson in my car. No. That's the dumbest thing you could do. Unless you want to be done. If Algar, if Algarer don't go out there, dominate next year. I'm gonna tell you how you find out how bad you are. You put Kyle Larson in your car and he wins the first time he's ever sat in the seat. That's how you find out.

Yeah, he's, I mean, I'm sure, how long until they got? That's why when I get people to substitute spot for me, I'd get people who couldn't spot. Yeah, oh, 100%. Never get a good spotter to take your place. Will. Wheel. Yeah, you get Will to bus driver to be your second spotter. That was Will.

We've talked to Will lately. Oh, poor Will. God bless. Hey, it's one and only wins. We're going back to the track we won at pretty soon. Yeah, Darlington, Mother's Day. We need to bring Will to the Mother's Day celebration down in Darlington. That'd be great.

Yeah, the Talladeig. dirt track was good racing. That is a great. That's a cool craze track. I love that. They did a great job promoting it around like NASCAR weekend too. I think it's always nice when they can cross-promote and bring in NASCAR crowd too. Let's move on to Reaction Theater. Are you struggling with getting a nap on Sunday afternoons? Boy, do I have the solution for you. It's Cup Series Super Speedway racing. Fall asleep to boring side-by-side racing resembling the pace slaps The day began with. Watch is racing's best can't pass for shit.

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Tough sons of Bs. I'm talking about some cornbread fed Mother fuck Holy hell did you see the hit That Ryan Priest's hat on Kyle Larson Good God, he took a hell of a shot And then let some crawl right out of his window

Walk to the intake care field center Whatever the hell you call it I'll tell you what, I'd be in a parking lot and a buggy come rolling down and barely tap my car. I found out that something holding my neck and my back screaming. Help me help me. Somebody called 911. Is that Russell? Sounds like it.

Oh, boy. He knocked a pepperoni out of him. I can tell you that. And it's sausage. That was a shot. A shot. Larson was in the back of chest sting going into one. What's he supposed to do there?

run over Gregson and turn him or try and make the third lane work and it just ends up that they all spin around. I get the fact that he has a reputation as a reckless driver, but I mean, people can't complain about the race being boring the whole time because nobody can pass and then as soon as a driver goes for the win, they all immediately dogpile him because it causes one instant. Who's he fussing about getting spun around? I don't like I guess no we said on the way wasn't Ross's fault Ross didn't know anything wrong and Ross like to the point

somebody said well he shoved him up to hill yeah I mean Larsen was shoving him so like if he didn't want to shove him he was going to get shoved with him so yeah if you're in the front row on a green white checker you're getting shoved if I'm on the front row you want to get shoved I don't care if there's seven of you

he came down to me yesterday and he said can you take a push I said all you got bud I was wrong clearly All right, well, great messages, as always. Don't forget to head to anchor.com slash doorpup or clear. You'll see that message icon and we'll keep picking the best ones each week. It is time for AskDBC.

Today's AskDBC segment is brought to you by Valvaline, the original motor oil. Send in your questions on Twitter using hashtag AskDBC and we'll keep answering the best ones. first one is from Alicia Elijah Alicia Alicia I'm messing with her

What's up rude There's some ambiguity in her name pronunciations Did Freddie get nervous with MJ sitting on the 23 box

That's trembling No You don't get nervous People ask me all the time Like if you get nervous And it's just I don't know Maybe some people do

I don't really ever feel like I'm nervous I think if you listen to my radio long enough. You know my tone is pretty monotone and less, you know, the very last lap, you know, something quick's happening. I think I probably raised a couple octaves when we were trying to block the bottom.

But, you know, it's just what it is. I'm not going to do a different job because he's there or not. And I text Brett last night. I said, you know, part of me was really bummed out that that didn't work out a little better because that would have been a hell of one to spot to the wind with the boss sitting on the pit box. But yeah, I mean, it would have meant a lot if we could have won, but it didn't affect anything I did yesterday. MJ texts me after race and said you did a great job for what it's worth. I think it's really cool though, man.

You look at where we come from, T.J. from New York, Freddie from New York by Long Island, a completely different part of the world, me from a small town of South Carolina. And so for me to sit there and watch the race, the broadcast that is on Fox and know that Michael Jordan of all people is sitting there listening to Freddie Kraft from Long Island, New York who grew up freaking what's that figure eight racing y'all do up there like figure eight racer extraordinaire meets the best basketball player in world history um so like I was there was a proud moment of me for Freddie I was like man look how cool this is then I had a fan tweet me and say is Michael talking on channel one or channel two and I wanted to retweet it and I didn't and say you

dumb he don't have a microphone on his headset he's just listening thank God thank God because he probably would have, I mean, do you see, like, I think it's funny, you know, I, and like I talked about this on here last year when I met him, like how involved he is talking about, you know, he's bringing up, are we going to short pit this stage and get track position? So I was like, oh, I guess he, you know, pays more attention than I assume. But then yesterday, like, he's one of the wrecks. I think it was when Harrison got turned, you know, he's explaining to somebody behind him on the box, what happened, and he's already got the NASCAR hands down, you know, he's, you know, he's, you know, he's showing him, you know, this guy went around this way and that. And then, you know,

he's real like, Freddie get rid of. Could you imagine, T.J. Michael Jordan explaining something to you, and you'd be like, man, he don't know what he's talking about, but I'm not going to tell him. I'd be like, yes, sir, N.J. I guarantee you he knew exactly what he was talking about. It's unbelievable. Michael, let me show you out of pick and roll right here. I'm sure. Let me show you, Michael.

It's cool, though. He's on the pit box, man. It shows you how obvious. And you see, like, as soon as, like, you see his reaction as soon as we did get turned, like how invested he is. He's like just, yeah, since we got, since we got wrecked. That's what he was saying. And he put his hands up, damn it, Freddie. Yeah, son of a fucking fired him.

Has he been involved in any meetings during the race week? No, no. Probably on the back end. I mean, yeah, he has people that kind of represent him. You know, Curtis Polk is one of his, like, right-hand men forever. You know, Curtis kind of, I think, is more involved with the day-to-day part of the team. But Michael's, I remember talking about he wanted all the pick crew staff, like, especially the athletic side of it, like the pit crew stats, like who can run around the car the fastest.

And then who's, that stuff he's really into, just the analytics of that, like understanding where there's time to be made up and maybe even looking into more himself, like how we can make up time. But, yeah, like a lot of that stuff is. I like to see him to a pit stop with his tongue hung out like the old days. Come around the car with a pit going way up. Yeah. All right.

Keep rolling. Is it fair? Should we mention, you know, how, you know, Kyle Bush gets a new sponsor, wins the race. The traffic crashes their website. Oh, really? Wow. That's cool. The girl's site completely crashed.

That's awesome. Yeah. So that shows you that. Shout out to Kyle. I mean, he wins the race. He wins the very next super speedway race on green white checkers after he complained about the Daytona 500 and saying that it shouldn't have a green white checker. Yeah.

It's like TJ on here last year. He was saying these super speedway races aren't that bad when he was running up front, how you can make moves. I'd be interesting. And now here he is sucking. And he's like, man, you're stuck in traffic. It's pretty bad right now. I'd be interested. listen to his year's Daytona 500 because he was up front the whole race.

Go back to listen to that episode and see what he thought about the package. I love the package. Great. What you guys are talking about? But yeah, it's funny that who got lucky yesterday? Yeah. Somebody got lucky? Ultra lucky.

Who got lucky? Now what he said. Yeah. Who got lucky and won that one? Yeah. Kyle got lucky and won that one. This next one is from Fish Fan 23. How are the code words decided?

Pervin, the last drink of the night. right, Freddy? No, actually, I didn't drink anything at Talldega, believe it or not. No wonder you got crashed. You're supposed to go to Hooters' Mind for the race. I should have one got drunk. That was the problem. But so the funny thing about our code words, and we have code words that are kind of general.

Like we had one yesterday that was bourbon, obviously. So like the thought process there is you're supposed to say a bourbon. so that if you say three different kind of bourbons, people might think that that's three different, you know, if you say Weller versus, you know, Buffalo Trace versus Pappy Van Winkle, that could be three different things. But if you just say bourbon. It's three good choices, by the way.

Yeah, thank you. If you say bourbon, then that's just kind of just one option. So like the first stop, we're supposed to be, you know, whatever bourbon you're going to pick from Booty and Bubba, both big bourbon guys. So I was expecting to hear like Elmer T. Lee, which I think we said later in the race or something. But Booty's like,

we're going to do bourbon. And I was like, Boodie. Damn it. Here's my favorite. And I'm not going to call the crew chief out. And this happens multiple times. But you'll give the call, Casey,

and you'll say, all right, weller. And they're 10 stalls away. And you'll go, all right, four tires right here, guys. It's like, okay, well, for the rest of the race, they pretty much know Weller and bourbon and any other thing related to booze is four tires. I mean, I give you guys props because I could not figure that out. What an idiot.

All right, let's move on to One Idiot. Man, I got a few wrote down. I don't even know which one to pick. You guys give me One Idiot. I'm punching both these. I don't have you on here. Here's my One Idiot. I got a great One Idiot.

And I told T.J. about this yesterday. My one idiot goes to the entire NASCAR Cup Series garage. Because you should see the way these idiots up the parking lot that they had to park in yesterday. I can actually show you. You don't need to. to take my word for it. It's pretty bad. Did they park in the Xfinity garage? We parked in the Arka garage. Arka garage. You know what that is? I don't really call that parking. What they

did was not parking. And I was there. So is this Kip's fault? Can we blank Kip for something? No, no, no, no. This is directly team fault. Nobody was in there directing anybody. All right. We always say, like, these idiots, why we know where to park. Just leave us alone. We do not. Apparently, we do not have a park. Because I was there early, right? We were, we were probably like one of the first 10 cars in this parking lot. And as it's, as it's filling up, I'm going, well, that's not going to work because that line is eventually going to run into that line because it was like, it was two lines at one point. Look, right here. I'll show you a picture, which is not going to be good for it. And I send this Andrew. So here's the gate to get in the parking

lot. Yeah. Here's where we started parking. Here's what they did. They just, there's no way for these cars to get out. Like this line, this was two different lines and then they just kind of. I'm going to be willing to bet. This is going to get me in trouble. I'm going to be willing to bet that the cars that are part with some sense are all road crew guys. And the cars that are parked in line that blocked all the guys in are pit crew guys. I mean, the pit crew guys,

let's face it, they get paid for being athletic. The Brainiacs sit in the lounge of the hauler and work on the race cars and the athletes come in after the fact. So I'm going to blame it on athletes and say they blocked in all the smart people. So which categories you fall into,

Brett? I park outside. I'm in my whole category. Yeah, we part, I mean, we were just parked in there to go to a meeting. and go outside, but it was funny because I'm watching it, and I'm like, this is not going to work. I want to give my one idiot till a joy, but then I was watching a race yesterday, and I watched

Lugano hugged the first lane kind of tight, which I thought was genius. And then I thought it was pretty stupid when Cindrick flew up in there behind him and picked him up, because Cendrick could have easily got bottlenecked and got turned and wrecked himself. But then we were talking when we got here this morning about Jeb Burton's win, which I thought was awesome. Congrats to Jeb and Ward. family. Been two years since he won a race.

And Jeb lost the lead on the broadcast. And the caution came out. And then after the caution, NASCAR gave him the lead back because they went backwards to a scoring loop. So watching live television in this day and time does not take precedence over what happened in the past. So I think it's my one idiot is whoever, um, can't go around here and fix the lineups and make them real time,

given all the data. That's you two guys' favorite word to use. I'm going to borrow it from you. Data from TJ, data from Freddie. You don't have no, like, 13-letter word. Do you want to throw out right here? No, I don't.

But I think it's important that we bring this up because it's changed the outcome of the race. And I'm not calling a person what an idiot. I'm calling the system what an idiot. Because I know good and damn well, if you guys can go look back and see how much throttle that Ryan Blaney was using on Lab 165, that you can give me real-time placement on where someone belongs in a caution.

And that's all I'm going to say about that. Yeah, I'm sorry. But I do have one we got to add. Go ahead. Were you still on the roof when we were talking? Saturday. Probably not. When we were talking about whether or not the nine car beat the safety car, the caution

car of pit road. Oh, well, yeah, that was, you would have lost your. So we lead, so the nine is Brandon Jones. And we have a, you know, he's wrecked all day. He's fixing damage. He's fixing damage all day long. And so he's weighed. meeting me and he leaves pit road and we ride around he takes off and you know normally

always I watched it happen did you watch I didn't see it no it wasn't even close like visually I look down like he did not beat the pace car so they you know instantly NASCAR does a great job with this as soon as he takes off running and you always try to sell it like I definitely beat him I'm taking off so you take off running and they're like they actually official down there uh did the nine beat the pace car. Yes, nine's good. Okay. So nine continues on. We make a half a lap. They go. Double check it. Uh, are you sure the nine beat the pace car? Yes. Yes. Yes. Sure. Positive. Coming to the green. Coming to the green. Wave, turn the lights back on. Yeah. Are you sure? Ask them three or four times. And then they finally just said, stop the nine. Stop the nine.

He did not beat him. And then I saw, I didn't know. I got to go back and look. And I found a picture of it, Lambert had a picture of it Saturday morning. It wasn't even close. Like he beat him. I don't know if he was basing it off of the leader or if he was basing it off the nine potentially because I think he had two cameras. One was start finish line and one was pit out. I think maybe he was basing it off the finish line. Maybe the nine beat the car to the start finish line but didn't be off pit out. But yeah, because if this is an odds to know because we're the start finish line at Talladega. It was way past pit road. Exactly. So which I don't know. It was definitely a shouldn't be that confusing. It was it was comical to listen to. Did you pick an idiot?

man there's there so that exfini race man they are some wild ones like we went green and it wasn't lap five where i could have picked four cars out that i knew we're going to wreck 100 so and i'm sure you saw the same thing with a few of them few of them who was the number one one of the guys i had circled to wreck was wonder ace yeah he was throwing some haymaker blocks he was he was throwing some blocks um just moves as well like in the middle of the pack like not middle of the pack like not middle the pack, but like four or five rows back, just aggressive moves. I would probably say, I mean, Jeb's aggressive. Ryan Truex was on my list with that.

He looked like a dart without feathers. So, I mean, just all over the place. He'd be done here. I say that time, a bird without feathers. That's what I was the kid. That was the saying I was missing. It's a dart without feathers. Some of them.

See? No, you're welcome. You're welcome. You're welcome for that. Hairless bird. So I mean, just like, you can't. Those cars are the ones that you can't go four lanes. It was like what we're used to race.

You know what I mean? But yeah. What do you think Austin Hills got to everybody else I got? Nitrus? I don't know. Holy fast. Three-tenths fast in the field and qualifying. Guy can literally drive through you on the racetrack if he wants to.

Listen, he tore that car up. Sometimes you can't rebuild those things as well as they weren't. We threw a block on him and he didn't like it. So he just kept on going on going on. I saw that. Yeah. BBC picks. I wish I could tell you, I mean, we're off to Dover.

Who did I even pick? But I can't. tell you who I picked because Andrew's got last week sheet up. I don't know the score. Yeah, he does. I don't have my Talladega. Did you go to new one? The name should be crossed out. I did not get enough of one. Well, I won. Thank you to Denny Hamlin.

Congratulations. I won with Eric Jones. Who did I pick? Who did I think of it? He picked 7th. Wait, who did I pick? I saw seventh last night. I must have been one to change. He got. T.J. You picked Zane Smith. Oh, yeah. He finished pretty close to last. Yeah, he got wrecked. Yeah.

Good job. TJ, you go first for Dover. So Dover. Who's going to be fast at Dover? Who knows? I would like to say I've done some prep for this segment. What manufacturer will be fast? Who knows?

That doesn't help me. Dover is this own animal. I'll take Jimmy Johnson. I'll take Matt Kinza. Greg Biffle. Carl Edwards. You know, the guy that I want to pick, I've already used, so I'm going to have to go out on a limb here. I'll go with Dennis Hamlin.

What's it my turn? Dennis? I have no idea. I mean, the good guy there is Bowman. F*** off. That's who I was going to pick. You already pick. Why don't you shut up?

Trying to help him. I'm going to skip Bowman for you. You can have them. I will take... I don't know who the hell I want. You got to remember, you can't... I mean, there's zero chance Briscoe can hit Pit Road here

without having an accident. I mean, there's no way. I will take Ty Gibbs Bowman I'll take Busher Speaking of

How about BJ MacLeod Come up into the booth He ran his lap and qualify And they come up in the booth Yeah They said it was really well I mean I don't know if anybody Did anybody watch it

That's cool Yeah they said he did a really good job Because nobody really knows BJ McLeod No Everybody knows him But they don't know He's a cool dude

I had dinner with him He actually bought me dinner In Bristol But that was expensive I had Hooters. No, well. Oh, Hooters year. I bet you won the next day.

No, we did not win. It's a dirt race, though. I don't know if it still applies to dirt. Yeah, we went to Hooters in Johnson City there and BJ. I was glad to, I mean, take him up there. It's pretty cool. Shout out to Kyle Busch, more wins than all of Joe Gibbs racing, right? Combined so far this year.

See, about, no. Yeah. Shout out to Jeb Burton, Mike Herman. Yeah. Derek Neillan's first cup win is from a spotting perspective yesterday. That's big. And Jordan Anderson, a year after. his big wreck.

Yeah. Derek Neal and tweeted he never won a cup race. No, he never won a cup plate race. That's what I mean. Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, I thought you. Okay. No, no, I mean, he's spotted for Kyle Larson.

I'm pretty sure he won before. He's, he's got some. Talk about his story with Redd-Inderson, though. Yeah. A year, a year after his accident. Right, right. Two years after Jeb's win. Yep.

Rain shortened. I think you said Britt, did you say Britt Anderson? No, he went from a rain-shortened win, what Jeb did from to an overtime win. Was that wreck? That was that telling. Yeah, when he climbed out of the truck while I was going out of road. Boxed the whole segment on it. Really great

segment. Casey, we got to talk about something actually. Uh-oh. That Rick Hendrick thing that you told me was like the greatest thing you ever watched? I think it was the greatest thing. I thought it was very cool to kind of put yourself. Freddy texts me and he goes, is Casey drunk? I wish. I actually have a question for Casey as well.

Oh, come on guys. Casey. Like tell that story by all means tell that story. Don't do it that way. I thought it was great. I thought it was great. Listen, there's nothing more painful. And I love Hendrick Cars.com. I love Kyle Larson. I love Rick Hendrick. I love Brian Johnson. There's nothing more painful to watch in Charlotte, North Carolina.

I don't know if it's a national commercial, but when they run the Kyle Larson and his crew chief commercial, it is like, everybody that I'm looking at is nodding their heads about how, like they used to give a commercial out for the worst commercial of the year. And five-hour energy would always win it with Rusty Wallace, Stephen Wallace, Clint Boyer, no matter who they put in it. They took pride in making sh** commercials. Well, this Hendrickcars.com commercial, and I love Hendrickcars.com. I think everybody should go apply right now to become a technician with Rick Hendrick. Great, great owner. But that commercial is so painful to watch. This is the most painful thing that it's worse than plate racing.

You know what else? It's painful to watch? What? Any of Casey's social media videos that are filmed with like an iPhone 4 or something. Okay. Holy cow, man. I felt like I was watching like a big old box TV back in the day. I sent that it was perfect quality.

use great Wi-Fi. I didn't while Chloe was sleeping, so we didn't hear her trying in the background. ran a cable to her potato. Did you run a speed test on? No, I sent it. It was whoever said. Okay, who are you guys? Hardwire your phone.

Andrew, was it you? She's psyched. Casey, here's the good news. Here's the good news. You won't need your phone this weekend to make a video because y'all are doing a DBC live endover. I won't be there because I'm playing baseball. But Freddie, T.J. and Casey will be doing it live.

So bring your own phone. phone and make it better than iPhone 4. Send pictures. Yeah. Send pictures. 12 o'clock? 12 to 12.30 at the trackside access stage. What drivers are coming?

We haven't heard yet. Yeah, we haven't heard yet. That we haven't heard yet if they're coming. They have. They always have a great lineup. But don't forget, go to Dover Speedway.com to get your trackside access pass. You can find this. It's cheap.

It's like 20 bucks, 25 bucks. Super cheap. I've walked out there for that. You're on the front straightway before the race starts. You know, it's hard to be. I mean, that's one of the tracks that you walk into and you're like, damn. It's cool. There's a lot of banking.

Yeah. And you see why they call it the concrete monster. Like, it's pretty impressive when you go in that place. And they do a great job creating a fun experience for the fans. Y'all have fun. That's a great racetrack. Fun little area. A lot to there.

If you're in the casino on Saturday, you might run into some of us. Probably not, maybe. Probably not Tuesday. be more sober than earlier than day you get there. You know what? Hey, you know what? This is a good idea. And the Chuckie cheese right next door. Hey, Dover. You know what Dover doesn't have? What? Sales tax. Oh, it's nice.

So we can go to Best Buy and because that phone's going to really hurt the only fan, subscribers too. Yeah. She's going to get a better. You got to get a better phone. Yeah. But we, we've had a good show with you guys. Thank you all for listening. Talladega was wild at the end. Freddie made it interesting. TJ loves this package if you listen back to the Daytona show has changed his mind

I mean it was still great I'm going to finish fifth so I'll take it now don't forget to catch the full episode on DirtVision this Wednesday they've done a great job posting it on time and won't want to miss it they've done a great job thank you for listening

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