Door Bumper Clear - 291. Darlington & Jesse Love: Here For My Talents

Episode Date: May 15, 2023

Throwback weekend at Darlington Raceway is over and the Door Bumper Clear gang is back in the studio to break down the action. Brett Griffin, T.J. Majors and Freddie Kraft are joined by ARCA Series driver Jesse Love to discuss his driving for Chad Boat’s dirt midget team, how he got his start in racing, and what path he sees himself taking to get to the Cup Series.In Spot On, Spot Off, the gius discuss Kevin Harvick's potentially hypocritical comments about drivers settling feuds on-track versus in the pits, John Hunter Nemechek and Kyle Larson’s crazy finish in the Xfinity Series race, NASCAR’s critical scoring errors when determining restart lineups throughout the weekend, Ross Chastain and Kyle Larson wrecking for the lead, and what Rick Hendrick had to say about Chastain’s aggressive driving. Plus, hear fans’ reaction to the Larson/Chastain incident, Freddie’s potential doppelganger and a new DBC song. Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

All right, everybody ready? You guys? Now we're good. All you pay guys, you ready now? You got everything set up. Yeah, everything's good. What's the intern's name? Abby.

Abby. Oh, I love that name. Maybe ask her what her name is. Never heard of, Abby. She's too young to know who dear Abby is. What did you? What did you say about Ben? Ben, what were you?

That guy in the corner. And he still doesn't even get paid full time. I shouldn't know it. TJ forms such a special bond with people, Abby. That guy over there. That guy. That guy over there in the corner. That guy.

Well, it was easy by then because it was only that one guy. Now it's that guy, that guy, that guy. Should we put that watermelon wall in the middle of the table? Intern Abby. We got intern abbey now. Okay, see, throw me that watermelon. The following is a production of Dirty Mode Media. Door, bumper, clear.

Clear by two. Pretty shallow entry. Door, bumper, clear. Hey, everybody. I'm T.J. Major, a spotter of the 6 cup, the 8X Fendi and the O2 truck. We know T. Jay is going to be pro everything this weekend coming off of a great race weekend. I figured you'd say that.

Brett Griffin. Spotted this week for Collegra racing, Chandler Smith, going back to my roots. My favorite track growing up. North Hooks, Burr. Freddie, what's up? What's up? Freddie Craft spotted for Bubba Wallace, Chandler Smith. And I had, I had Bubba Wallace again in the truck race.

I forgot about that. Yeah. What an annoying truck driver I had this week. I'd much rather have the 20 truck back. Yeah, because you only got to work 10 laps every week. And I don't know, you might want to talk to Chandler. We didn't make it completely direct yesterday. So I don't know, he was a little beat up after that one.

But what's up, Casey? Hey, guys, Casey Boat here. And we have a very special guest this week. We do. We do. We reached out to some folks and we found somebody. And next on stage, Jesse the hammer love dancing to girls going wild. Yeah, what's up guys?

I drive for Toyota Racing. Obviously, I'm not here for my driving talents. I'm here for my name. But you're here for your talents. Thanks regardless. It just may not be driving. Thanks regardless for having me on. I think, do you think he's ever seen girls going?

Do you know what that is? I don't. That was like, it's a good old Wally crew song from probably the, God, it probably was the 80s. I'm going to ask a question that I don't really want the answer to. Jesse, what year were you born? 2005. Jesus. It's 2005.

That's my five. year reunion. Oh my God. We were running hard about two thousand five steps. Jesse, we had some fun last week with your name. Yeah, I heard it. And so I tweeted you. And I told Casey when we were leaving here, I was like, make sure Jesse calls in next week.

Well, obviously, we started tweeting. So what's it, I mean, is this like the biggest moment of your professional life right now? Yeah, absolutely. It trumps everything I could have ever thought. Every possible win. My Twitter follows went up. Michael Nett really helped out to. Shout out to him.

What the fuck is going on? I didn't know. I even talked to Sammy about that today because me and Sammy are fine now. And we were working out this morning. I was like, dude, you don't believe this. And I showed him and he didn't even know. Okay, what did he even say? Michael.

There were a few comments. I probably can't say it. You definitely case. He was saying a lot of things. Brett text me. He says, because it was in a reply to your tweet, I think. Brett's tweet about Jesse or something. And Michael tweeted something about Pipsqueaks and swing in.

And he's like, what's that about? And we had just talked about getting Jesse on the show. I go, yeah, I think he's talking about Jesse. I didn't remember at the time that Jesse took any swings at anybody. But, yeah, Michael, I love Michael. He actually had tweeted me or text me that morning at about 2 a.m. if he wanted to come on that week. 2 a.m.?

Yeah, about 2 a.m. Something like that, I would say. Sounds right. But 2 p.m. 2 a.m. I don't think it matters. His tweets are pretty low on the don't give a . I know right now. Michael was the first guy spotted for a cup, so we've known each other quite a while. but we'll get him on here eventually to hear some outlandish.

Should we have a bloody Mary bar before we start to go? You think? As if you'll need it. Oh, boy. But yeah, man, thanks for coming on. What's going on in the world of Jesse Love? I know we got some Chuck races coming up. I know you're...

What's it like to work with a car owner as annoying as Casey? Can we ask that? Seriously? Obviously, Casey definitely wears the pants. Oh, we knew that. But, no, Chad's been great for me, obviously, helped me out with the dirt racing, figuring all that stuff out. Kind of had a off year last year, just not winning as much as I wanted to. And then this year we've kind of started off where I have went around like five races,

just because ARCA is so compact, like middle of the summer months is when we start racing. We keep raining out in the super late stuff. So it's been good to already rattle off some wins in the ARCA stuff and have a great team around me. And it's going really great now. So just kind of riding the wave. Where are you from? Bay Area, California. Okay, because I feel like the first time...

Oh, boy. I remember... Don't say anything. Let's come out with somewhere different to be from. Brett Mike. You're Brent's Mike immediately. Just get the bleep right. The first time I think I remember seeing you race was in one of Keith's midgets.

I don't know if that's... Where did you start racing at? Yeah, I started racing in quarter midgets. It was kind of always in my family. My dad raced with Jeff Gordon and John Begford growing up. So that's kind of why racing was always like in the background. But when I was five, I got into quarter midgets and started racing midgets for Keith when I was like 14. I ran late malls out in California, and that's kind of what put me on the map because that was a televised deal.

We won, you know, two championships and race with Haley Deegan. She was my teammate, and that's why I got into the Toyota program. I started race for Bill McAnally when I was 15 and 16 and won those championships, and then obviously started racing for Toyota out east and ARCA. That's quite the resume building up to be. Yeah. Yeah, he's only 18. Yeah. No.

Casey, he just told me when he was born. Well, I'm just going to ask you, what have you accomplished? What did you accomplish when you were 18? When I was 18, um, here we go. I drove across country to California, and that's when California was cool and had a good time out there for all summer and I drove back home. Then I went to college. Wow.

That really levels up. That was when he was in 18. That was in 1966. It was, it was 1993 ass. that's all you can do in 1969. Jesse was minus 22 in 1993. Wow. So what's been your favorite style of car to drive so far?

Probably a dirt sprint car. I mean, just so much power, so much downforce. And I just like wing racing a lot. I like, you know, keeping the boards wide open and keeping the car straight, obviously able to run the cushion so hard and like search around for momentum too. the midget's really fun to drive as well but um all and all like all that dirt stuff's fun i can't name one dirt car that's like not fun to drive so uh super late stuff's fun as well but i mean that's more

for like to accomplish something great like to be a champion NASCAR something great um but i feel like dirt racing is more of like the passion behind it all you dropped a lot of big names not in an arrogant way at all but i got to ask you this too man being your young who's like your biggest mentor right now who's helping you um I mean, I grew up liking guys like Tony Stewart, Jeff Gordon, AJ Foyt, Chris Verbelle, guys like that can, you know, run anything, right? Obviously, Jimmy Johnson and all them guys are great as well, but what I look up to is the guys that can jump from car to car and win and whatever.

So, you know, my two biggest guys growing up were Kyle Larson and Christopher Bell, and they still are. I'm able to lean on them a good bit. And even, you know, having Tyler Redick at TPC now is huge. he's a phenomenal help and he probably doesn't even know how big an impact he's having on guys like me. So, but yeah, just Kyle and Christopher are still my two guys that I look up to the most and guys I kind of emulate myself or try to at least after. I will say this and I know Gavin Bouchel's dad, Chris Boshel really well. Obviously I know which means I know Gavin. I hear Christopher Bell's

name come up a lot and when I was coming along at your age 20-ish years old, Mark Martin was kind of the guy. Dale Jarrett was kind of the guy. Like they would truly wrap their arms around these young guys. They put them in the pace car, show them around the track. Like when they're helping you, what are you asking them for? It depends. I'm in the works of being in a silver crown car for the miles this year. And, you know, Kyle Arson is something that I can really lean on, right? And Christopher. So I'm going to reach out to them and try to get help from them about that. You know, me and Taylor Gray had her run in at Kansas. So I, you know, went and talked to Tyler Redick about, like, how do I handle a situation like that where this is.

my teammate and we're kind of having a little bit of a run-in, right? Should ask Ross. Yeah, well. I'm not sure who you could ask these days. But yeah, guys like that, it just kind of depends on the situation. There's different guys for each, you know, question, right? I'm not going to go ask Ross how to deal with teammates or whatever, but I'm going to ask Ross how to go fast at a certain place, right?

And even honestly, I know we're kind of shading Ross right now, but he's actually helped me out a little bit too in certain areas. Whenever I see him at the racetrack, he's always the first guy to come up and say hi. that's cool i know you got a big truck start coming uh first one is gateway right yeah triccon i assume triccon garage you're going to run the one is that yes yeah so i work with them guys this week team uh what you know what's your what's your expectations going into something like that yeah i want to win one of those three races i'm not sure where would be the best place to win at what are the three you're running gateway kansas and phoenix oh wow so uh phoenix was a place that

we uh should have dominated this year at our in the arque deal uh guy wrecked by my teammate but we should be good there, should be good at Kansas, just one there. And Gateway is a place that I ran one time when I was like 15 for Bill McNeilly and got a top five there. It was like my second, you know, arthur start. So all places I feel really comfortable at. And I mean, there's no reason you can't go out there and win, right? It's all mindset and what you believe you can do. So that's kind of my thought process going into it is just having the expectation. And racing is kind of a weird sport. It's kind of like golf where if you believe you're going to do something it could happen so um you know it might not but i'd rather go into something thinking i can do it than go and do it expect and uh not the best

you got to lean on guys too that that that didn't make it guys like t j who had the world given to them and then yeah he managed to it all up so if you ever need to know what not to do get t j's number yeah you don't get a boat either t j j you had a good weekend man uh it was okay we just the cup race was we had decent speed in the cup deal um both rfk cars back in the top 10 yeah the exfini race just we were off a little bit but we managed the seventh or eighth or something like that um just survived man you it's you like if you look at some of these guys like i look at like justin haley chris busher yesterday struggle it all day they stay with it get some yellows get a lucky dog you're both in the top 10 to the race. You just got to keep battling all day, man.

So I don't know how it looked on television. I know I think you will agree with me that that was not one of our best Darlington races. Obviously, we had fall off, but like we all fell off together. There was nobody really, you know, you could, you know, in years past, you can kind of let them guys take off on a run and kind of maintain, stay under the tire for about 10, 15 laps. And then you could see the benefit of that later in the run. And he just really didn't see that yesterday. I felt like, you know, it's obviously a product of this car, Arrow. We were, we had a really good car yesterday.

We ran second or third. That whole first stage had a mishap on pit road where we got stuck back in 18th. And we drove to 15th. You know, and I know we had a really good car. We just, you get back there in traffic and you're stuck. We see the same thing with, I think, it was Suarez. You know, he's running top 10. He comes in and gets a speeding penalty.

Next thing I know, I look up, we're lapping. at the end of the first stage. Like it's just because he's stuck back there in traffic and then the leaders are in clean air. They're coming around. So, you know, you saw it a little bit on the green flag stops where guys could stay out 10 laps longer and make up time because they had 10 lap fresher tires and the guys they were around. But when you restarted together on the same tires, it just kind of got strung out and there wasn't a lot of passing.

No, it was super hard to pass. Even, I feel like you could save a little bit of tire. But when you get back to the guy, you couldn't, it wasn't enough, just wasn't enough there. track wasn't wide enough in certain areas to be able to utilize it. So you could, I feel like Brad did a good job and we would run guys back down, but you just couldn't pass them. I mean, you could move around a little bit. You could just the momentum off of two.

It tightens up so much off of two. Everyone goes to the same lane. As soon as that guy comes down into your lane one time, I mean, we did it a bunch times. The guy creeped in on us, head run the bottom through one and two a little bit and get close on the exit. All right, Brad, need you to move your lane down in one and two one time. time one lap.

Here you go. Clear by three, clear by seven, clear by eight, no pressure. We had one of them green flags runs. We ran long and we had probably seven to ten lap better tires than the guys that we were racing. We obviously we gave up a lot of track position and came out on fresher rubber. And in years past, you guys know this. Like you would just blow the guy's doors. Have you had 10 lap better tires in the guy in front of you?

Like they was indefensible. Like you just go by them. And it would take us two or three laps probably to get each car. And then by the time we got through, I think we came out like, 18th and we were running maybe 16th, 15th, something like that. We came out 18th and it took us 30 laps to get back to 14th. And then like as we got there, like we used up so much of our stuff just trying to pass people by that. You leveled out.

We got through three or four guys and I'm like, we should be way better on these guys because we got 10 lap better tires. But we leveled out and we couldn't pass. I think it was like Joey for 14th. So it's just, you know, it's just arrow. It's not the tire because the tire was wearing out. It's like, it's just we got to figure out a way to get these things not to not be so arrow dependent. One thing I can tell you about Darlington is watching it, no matter if it's in person or on TV, you can see the amount of talent that it takes to get around that place.

No matter if you're in a truck, Xfinity car, a cup car, like it legitimately doesn't matter. You can see T.J., like you said, it narrows out coming out of two. You see guys enter turn one ripping the apron to help their car turn. You see some guys like Larson and Denny entering a guy entering in turn one. So, I mean, you can legitimately see unlike, and I hate to say this, the new Atlanta, it doesn't look like it takes a lot of talent to go around there. You run around there two by two. You make a block if you get a hole.

You don't if you don't. Like a place like Darlington, Jesse, the exact opposite of what we saw all weekend. Absolutely. I don't know why we don't change something. Milbridge, I talk to guys like Chad Johnson, right? And we have this diffuser now, which obviously is making downforce. And we have so much stuff underneath the car that is, I shouldn't say we because I'm not a cup guy. But so much stuff for you guys underneath the car that makes downforce and lap time.

matter what you do, whenever you do stuff like that, it's going to make dirty air worse. And I don't know, like you look at SuperLay racing, we have one thing that makes underbody downforce, and that's a front pan, right, with no break, no full pan, nothing. And, you know, dirty air is a non-factor. Granted, you're going a lot slower. But I don't know why we don't change something or we never really see changes. So there's a lot of things, I think, underneath the car that could just be scrapped with, you know, no downside to it and obviously make the racing a ton of.

done better. And obviously, you know, tire falloffs, something else. I need to probably be a little bit softer and get more fall off like a super late tire where you would see. Small sample size, but couch racer put out a pole yesterday, which was the best race the weekend. Xfinity, 67% of the people said it's the best race. I mean, it's like the best race every week. I think it's the best race in a world. If we did, no, that race there, the, the, the infinity, which Darlington, I mean, I only ran half of it, but the, that race is the perfect distance. The, perfect, you know, like you could, Bubba even said it about the truck race on Saturday on Friday.

You know, we were, I forget who we were trying to pass. It might have been Hosevar or maybe Jake Garcia. And like, we were just driving in, getting on his left rear and freeing him up and getting the run down the back. And Bubba was like, man, I forgot what was like to be able to do that. You know, like, it's like, that was fun. Like that was, like, you don't have to run into the guy.

You can just get in there and pack air and manipulate what their car is going to do without, you know, he's like, obviously, I've been able to do that. in three or four years now. But yeah, that Xfinity race was a blast to watch. The finish was phenomenal. I'm sure we'll talk about that later in the show. But yeah, like you just, I don't know. I don't think the cup guys don't probably get enough credit for when they do get up there

and make pat how good they are because there is Xfinity car. There's a lot more tools to make a pass. And a cup car, you have to be super precise. And I mean, you can't just go in there. and it's a lot harder equipment-wise just going there and pass somebody

just equipment-based. These guys are on, when they run, like we do a lot as spotters to stop passes too from dirtying the air up. I mean, the air is our biggest defense.

If you put that guy in that way, he's in a lot of trouble. Like you, I mean, how many times you got to lose a nose off at two if one's a, yeah, we did at the Jones

at the end of one of the stages. Like I'm like, if you just move your entry down to one and he's not going to be able to do it. But these cup guys, when they actually do it, get up there and make a move like they are i don't know if they get enough credit for how hard and how good they really are driving and being precise because you got to be you got to be super on your game

to get up there and do that two completely different scenarios right well what i'm about to say Kyle larsson goes to the very back of the exfinity race with about 50 to go drives all the way back puts himself in contention catches a caution at the right time goes and wins the race now there's two things that allow that. Number one, the discrepancy in how competitive the cars are, because I'm going to go out on a limb, Jesse, and say there are 12-ish Xfinity cars that can win. The difference is in the Cup Series, the cars that can't win or that would have a very difficult time winning are still pretty damn fast, right? So you look at some of the guys in the Cup series that, I mean, look, it's no secret that Corey LaJoy's a good race car driver. He's not in one of the

biggest budget teams. But it's going to be a lot. lot harder to pass Corey Lejoy in a cup car than it's going to be to pass the Alfredo guy in an exfinity car driving the 70-A car. If you put him up front of a green white checker and Coral Lajoie starts racing and gets clear, I don't know if I don't think we get around him. I don't think we get around him. But when you look at that cup car, we've got to make it where you can pass. And I don't know what that's going to take. It's, I mean, we say it on here for three years now. It's off throttle time. Like whatever it takes to get off because the reason you can't pass is the corner speed are too high because you're

just not off the throttle the cars are you know i mean obviously they're off throttle a little bit this week just having to drive it but you know listen to qualifying like you just i don't even know if they lifted in one like it's just like if they did it was barely i think brad tried to run three and four wide open brad definitely tried in three and qualifying uh but you know like that's the that's obviously the biggest thing we've said that on here for years like the only way you're going to be able to gain on the guy in front of you is if you're both spending time off throttle and how and when you're doing it but right now like it's just the the corner speeds I feel like are just too high.

Like you can say, oh, you want more motor all you want and, you know, narrow tires or soft tires, whatever, whatever, you got to figure out how to get us off the throttle is the only, does the end all be all to make the racing better? So one of the, we don't need to be Indy car. No, one of the most fun things now, I'm sure you've ran it is I racing messed up a month or two ago and put, uh, they made the arc of cars have cup horsepower, like 850 horsepower. And it was a mess up. They didn't, but they're the most fun thing.

the driving up, but you literally roll down in the corner, and in the next-gen car, you're barely out of throttle like we're talking about, but you roll down on that thing. You try to throttle up, you better hold on because it is rotating and you're, I mean, it's like the old cars. You watch the main car videos of Dale Jr. and them lifting in the car bouncing in the car, bouncing around a little bit, they can't get back into throttle. That's fun. But they're wheel on the heck out of it, too, you know? And you had just more tools. You could, when you got closer somebody you saw the back wiggle i mean in the arca car at a mile and a half or a truck you can get close to somebody and manipulate the air a little bit from you know you can you can loosen the guy in

front of you and make the pass like that so i mean it it takes me always takes me a little bit after we run a cup race and next race is an exfini race to realize how close they can stay compared to what we can stay on the cup side because josser run up on somebody i'm i'm i'm like oh that's not he'll drive right up underneath i'm like oh oh nice work good pass you know what i mean like in the cup side you're like oh we're gonna we're blasting the fence off the corner here because that thing is gonna not turn and um it just takes i don't know there's just a lot more tools on the faster car and the better driver should always always we jessie we talked about this on here i don't know a week or two ago you're you're an up-and-coming driver obviously very talented and

and i would assume your career goal would be to make it to the cup series and be a cup champion what what what do you think is the ideal career path right now to prepare you to go cup racing it's tough because obviously like we said Xfinity's so different right but you see a lot of guys go truck race and they kind of they can just die off right like it almost happened to Chandler kind of like a year or something without winning a race and then he got good and it can happen to happen a Christian so I'm kind of deciding right now like what path to to go down whether that's Xfinity racing next year, most likely a truck racing with Tricon. So, you know, I think that the Yark car definitely is a lot better now than it was back, you know, 10 years ago of developing

guys to go Xfinity racing. Like Ty was able to go win Xfinity right away. Sammy was able to go win Xfinity and Corey was able to go in trucks right away. So I think whatever I do go pick, it'll be the right call. Like there's no bad decision. But I don't know, everything's so different from cup that it's kind of just whatever the right timing is right like wherever has the best car or the timing fits to you know it's all timing to get into a cup car like who leaves at what time yeah your what seats are opening is yeah and the funding is a big part of it right that's a big discrepancy going from um truck racing to exfinity racing my favorite part about arca is you get to run some really big tracks yeah you get to go to i mean obviously kansas you get to go to polka

I went to Pocono. I was like 17 years old last year. Dover was a place I went to when I was 15 or 15, I think. So there's a lot of places that we go to that we're going to go to in trucks. And you're on the throttle a lot. And a lot of people don't realize like at Phoenix, Arka cars were probably the fastest car at Phoenix. Dover Arka cars are the fastest. I think Kansas we were as well. So there's not a big discrepancy on speed. Like we're not going to a truck and we're like, oh my gosh, I'm hauling ass, right? like we're just kind of fine with it and the arrow is probably the biggest thing to learn from going to park at a truck but i don't know it's just kind of it's all timing right now and figuring out who has

the right deal to the right time for me i know you haven't run any cup races yet but which car do you think from the development side helps you get ready for cup is it a super is it just a late model because i've heard a lot of different stories on what's better right now to get you to cup or get you prepared for cup i think if you're going to go to an infinity route then the super late's kind of goes hand in hand with that. But I will say like a late mall stock, I've only even ran one once, and that was a test session at Tri-County for Toyota. And that was the most similar thing to an Arca car. And obviously, the Arco car drives like a truck. So I think, honestly, that Xfinity racing just gives you so much raw talent and ability to kind of let the thing hang out. And truck racing's

more just learning how to do what TJ's talking about with manipulate the air and all that stuff. But you learn all that in Arco. Like at Kansas, the only thing that separated me from the 17 and the 25 was just, I feel like I was really using error to my advantage, right? And you can learn that at a young age, and that's kind of, I think, easy for me to pick up. But the hard part is just being able to manhandle the car and slide it around. I think Exfinity is probably the best route for that. Yeah, cool. Casey. Hang on one second. One more question before we go. Good. Talking about development, you know, give me your best argument. We've obviously seen a lot of stuff in the news lately. Alex Bowman's out right now because he got hurt running a sprint car.

Christopher Bell's no longer allowed to run a sprint car. He's not? No. There's a few other drivers you'd be surprised to hear are not allowed either. Well, tell us who it is. You always want us to tell you something. You tell us about it. Well, you don't tell us.

You know it all. But, you know, obviously Kyle goes back and runs whenever he can. Ricky jumps in a sprint car whenever he can. Like, obviously these guys have said it's to keep themselves sharp. Where do you stand on that? Because obviously, I'm so moving forward, no matter where you go in your career from here, you're always going to want to go back and get in one of them cars, I would assume. Yeah.

Look, I mean, I'm scared. whenever I get into a sprint car of breaking my back or breaking my neck or something, right? That possibility is there. But at the end of the day, like Justin Grant said that and that dirt deal of you're a lot more alive than you are, not when you're a race car driver, especially a dirt racer. And it gives you an edge, right? Like let the thing hang out at Kansas or something isn't as sketchy to me because I do it every weekend a sprint car or a midget.

So at the end of the day, I think it makes you better. It does make you better. You look at the guys that go dirt racing and how it's helping them in the cup side of things. And, you know, I get when I get to a certain point that I might have to let go of that a little bit. But at the same point, I love dirt racing. I think it makes me a better race car driver. And that's why I do it. Would it be a deal breaker for you you feel like if you were obviously, if you're, you know, a couple of years, obviously you're going to get to wherever you want to go, I think.

But, you know, if you're the hottest commodity coming out of the Xfinity deal and there's two teams in front of you and one says you can run sprint cars and one says you can't, would that, would that be a decision maker for you, you think? Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, obviously you want to stay with, you know, the people that have been with you, right, but they also have to, you know, compromise as well as you do. So I think that I'm going to go with the team that lets me be a race car driver and not just

be a businessman in NASCAR, but also be a race car driver. in my roots as well. But you said that's what, the reason why you're at where you're at is because it gives you the comfort. You're like you're growing as a driver as well. So it's not like you're just doing it for fun. You're also getting better and you feel like it's put you where you're at.

Yeah, I mean, Kyle even talks about that. Like Kyle still learns things, you know, running this high limit deal with this new tire and all that stuff. Like he's still learning things on dirt. And that makes him a better race car driver and the cup side of things. And when a guy like Kyle Arson is telling you that he's getting better by running more dirt races, then you've got to go dang dirt racing. So that's kind of how I look at it.

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All right, let's head into Spot-on, Spot-Off. Spot-on, Spot off. Spot off. Spot on. Yeah, spot on. It was super fun yesterday to ride around, Marin. I am spot off. Damn.

Where did he come from? First topic. Kevin Harvick says drivers should settle things out on the track instead of fighting. He says the cars tour would throw them out if drivers fought, adding there would most likely be a penalty for fighting. Throwing you right into the fire, Jesse, spot on, spot off. So I was watching the race last night and it flipped over. to this like race hub deal and one of the things was Kevin Harvick saying in the interview that there needs to be more fighting and racing's better with fighting a lot of stuff so I don't know why I'm not sure

why he's switching up now but um at the same time now I mean I think that sometimes there's people that need to get their butt whooped and um and that's part of racing and you know I've got my butt whoop before in a super late race like it's it's happened right like it was my foot who way more times than you got my fault right but um you learn things from guys like that. And I think that it's a lot more reasonable to go settle it yourself. And it is, you know, wrecking race cars and making your crew guys work harder and making yourself and your team pay more money. Like, that's not cool. And I think that going and selling it yourself is a lot more reasonable. Freddie said you were smart. He wasn't bull-s-h-h-h-

I told you. This kid's got it together. You're basically saying everything Brett wants you to say. Holy hypocritical Kevin Harvick. Are you kidding me? This guy loved to fight. Like, it, Okay, you became a father. Congratulations, so am I. You can't completely change your philosophy on what you think makes racing great and exciting just because you're a dad and you don't want your kid getting his ass whipped. Like, how can this happen? I'm so 100% spot off for this whole thing. I think it's funny that, you know, he talked about it.

Obviously, he's part owner of the cars tour now or, you know, whatever, with Dale and Burton and Justin Marks. And, you know, he's talking about, well, there need to be penalties doled out if there's anybody fighting in the cars here. Well, I guarantee you just like NASCAR does every week. And I was glad to see no penalties from that deal last week with Noah and Ross because they're going to show it on TV 5,000 times. So if you're going to promo a fight all week long,

you better not be fining or suspending or taking points away from the guys that participated in it. But listen, in my opinion, if somebody wrecks you, like, and obviously I think the best way to do it is go over there and punch them in the face by far. But listen, they can shake that punch off and to, minutes. If you want to hurt them, you're going to wreck them in a race and you're going to handle it on the racetrack because whatever 40, 50 points you cost them in that race, that's going to linger throughout the season and it could cost them bigger at the end of the year. So if you're trying to, you know, in turn, one good turn deserves another, get them

back. Punching him, yes, you make you probably feel better about it. But I think you need to pay them back on the racetrack and cost them whatever they cost you in that moment. Because like I said, if I punch you in the face, you know, that's it. Okay, great. I'm sure Noah didn't feel that 10 minutes later. But maybe not. That's a good point, but, you know, if you really want to hurt somebody, dude, you're going to have to cost them something that's going to hurt them

throughout the year like they did to you. I'm pretty sure he felt that the next day. I'm going to go ahead and say he felt it. The sound of that was ridiculous. Yeah, how can you? It's kind of like, like an 85-miner or a hundred-miner of a fastball getting hit with a wooden bag. Boy, oh boy. TJ, spot on, spot off.

I mean, I don't mind seeing a guy like that. Like, he told him to quit. I mean, what are you going to do when a guy comes down and grabs you and you tell him to stop? What are you going to do? I ain't going to tell him to stop. There's not going to be. There's no conversation. It shouldn't be anyway.

That's what I like. Hey man. What do you think is going to happen though if, you know, a guy could you go grab some guy. He's probably going to swing, right? I mean, like, every time. That's so I'm not against. you know, everyone handled it differently.

But if you really want to hurt a guy, then it should, you handle one on the track. My favorite fight all time was John Westtown Lee. Oh my God. And that wasn't a fight. That wasn't a fight. That was like a wrestling match.

Spencer Gallagher. Have you seen this one? Yeah, yeah. I mean, these two guys bear hugged each other. What do you call that movie? It's like DDT. We've never seen a more intimate fight than this one. Intimate fight.

These guys are grinding on each other. They're rubbing, dup and down on each other. And then they finally fell over. When they fell over, I was real worried it was going to get it to me. That guy they had the suit. That was a pre-limb fight for the next one. I mean,

they should have got into a mud pit. That had been bad. That was the... In bikinis. That was easily... I don't need a bikini. That was easily the worst fight in history. Hey, when you drive the water,

are you going to have a Victoria Secret on it? That's why I wish. I could do it be a pretty good model for it, I think. You'll smell amazing. Jeez. I heard you sold some perfume. Yeah. It's not fucking perfume.

Okay, it's Cologne. Whatever you say, Brett. Right. Yeah. Okay. I'm going to wear a bunch next week. Just make y'all smell it the whole time. Hopefully that's the only thing you'll be wearing from that brand.

Hey, that's better than you're going to the bathroom and killing the place. I mean, like, you did that one time. I didn't mean to leave the door open. Speaking of that, it's summertime, can somebody get here like 30 minutes early and open that garage door and let the colder air in for a little bit before you start this thing? Yeah, you. How about a portable air conditioner? Can we not get one?

It's too loud. It's not even hot outside. Can we, can this guy take two weeks off and get it? Can we get a poor-way seat? Oh, John Hed Anima-Chek chocks up his last lap battle with Kyle Larson to hard racing after the two-made contact coming off turn four, headed for the checkered in the Xfinity Series race. T.J, spot on, spot off. I mean, spot on.

They were going for the win. I don't know how you see two guys going to three and four rub and hit and bounce off the fence and race back over. And again, this, you know, Kyle gets into the wall off of four and John Hunter's right on his door. And every time that happens, the guy, the guy in the inside, I mean, we've seen, we've seen how many wrecks like that of Darnethon over the years. Just like that.

We saw yesterday with Ross and Martin at the end of the stage, you know, Ross gets in the fans and bounces off and spins Denny. But that's just how it is. I mean, that's hard racing. And they're going for the win. So I'm spot on for it. It was a great show. Jesse.

Yeah, I'm same of T. I mean, obviously it's hard racing, and when you get into a battle like that with two phenomenal race car drivers and don't go your way, you just kind of roll on in the next one, and you don't make a big deal out of it. Like, I thought John Hunter played it perfectly and did a great job. Just, you know, Kyle was in the right place at the right time and put himself in a good space. Yeah.

What John Hunter needed to do is a lot easier said than done, but he needed to take that entry away from Larson into one. and it's so I can't tell you how hard it is to you know you see it like we're spotters I'm sure Tony Herschman that spots for John Hunter sees it John Hunter probably saw in his mirror like obviously Kyle is entering one a lot wider carrying a lot more speed to the center of the corner and able to turn down the hill faster than John Hunter but to say with five to go hey I need you to run a completely different line than you've been running all day today at Darlington of all places it's just like I said it's easier said than done it's it's the only thing I wish

maybe that John Hunter could have done was, like there was like the perfect storm for Kyle because they're almost crossed paths in the middle of the corner. Like John Hunter enters lower, is driving up the hill, and Kyle's entering higher coming down the hill. And if there was any way for John Hunter to just kind of, I think keep his car lower through the center on exit,

he can dirty up Kyle's air a little bit, and Kyle might not be able to get to his quarter. But I mean, what a raise down the backstretch. We talked about Kyle putting people in difficult spots. He kind of squeezed John Hunter right up against the wall on entry and kind of stalled him out there. I thought John Hunter was going to hook. him into three.

And, you know, they put them both in the fence. And like T.J. said, they're just, you know, Larson throttles up as soon as he can, gets a little tight, pounds the fence off of four and John Hunter's in there's a victim. But if they don't make contact, like if John Hunter's down a half a car, I think John Hunter wins the race. Like, because Kyle's going to lose all his momentum off of four right there when he pounds the fence. If he doesn't hit the wall, I think he wins.

But if he hits the wall and he doesn't wreck, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, John Hunter might probably beat him. Yeah, but there's no, John Hunter's obviously throttling him up just as fast as Kyle is. And they're probably both, you know, on edge of the exit of the first. but racing for the win. Yeah. My favorite thing about this whole scenario is I feel like it's the best car in the race versus the best driver in the race.

I feel like that 20 is a rocket ship, and we all know how good Kyle Larson is. To see those guys go out there and duel it out like that, man, that was freaking awesome. I was very surprised. However, after the race, Kyle Larson, when he came back on the scene, man, he was one of the most popular guys. I was surprised after the race. He took a lot of hate for the all.

They were hammering him. man, social media was absolutely destroying Kyle Larson for how he race and how he hit the wall on purpose and how he wrecked him. I'm not kidding you. And then to top it off, they go into the whole rabbit hole of, and he ain't even racing for points. Let me tell you people something that are listening to this. He is racing for points. That 10 car collects owner's points.

That 10 car can win the owner's championship. That is worth a lot of money. So don't say he's not racing for points. You make yourselves look stupid. I've had this conversation with people, especially like modified racing growing up or late model races. Like you'd go run a one-off here and there. And even Exfinity, whatever it is,

and we'd be the guy running a one-off and they'd be there like a season-long championship deal. And they'd come over and go, hey, don't forget we're racing for points. And I'd go, don't forget I'm raising for a win. If I was you, I suggest you get the a bit out of my way. Because if not, you're going to hurt yourself. Right. And on that note, Brett, you probably know this more than anybody. But with colleague, right now, they're not necessarily

winning every race. They're struggling a little bit. How does having somebody like Kyle coming in, tell them what their cars, like what their cars doing help that team as well? That helps them a ton. I mean, I said all along the smartest thing that Chris Rice ever did for Kyleig racing was hire AJ Amandinger because he can come in and evaluate your equipment everywhere, but specifically how good can you be on a road course, right? They went on to win a bunch of those races. But here you are, Chandler Smith has a win this year. It's because he hired a guy like AJ Almondinger. Listen, Kyle Bush has been in their cars.

Kyle Larson has been in their cars. I don't know if they've announced some of the other guys that are going to be in their cars, so I'm not going to announce it, but they've got some road course racing aces coming. They're getting ready to do a lot of things on some of these weekends where a cup and Exfinity are in two different places, and it's going to shock some people. Their Xfinity program is probably second, third tier, and I don't mean that as in ABC. I mean that is you've got Joe Gibbs racing this. in a world of their own. That's not a secret. They've been that way for how long? Decades.

I mean, it feels like decades to me. Then you've got kind of that J.R.M. Colleg and that second tier and J.R.M. got really hot last year. But Colleg is a team that can go out and win eight races a year if they really, you know, go out and do well. Obviously, on the cup side, they're not there yet. They're also very new. But no, it can be case of your point, it helps a ton. If you're Chandler Smith, and it's very unfortunate Chandler didn't get to run the whole race because the way they ended up, he would have easily ran top seven. When you see guys like Casgrawla up there, who else was up there that? I wasn't there.

So you left. There are guys running that sixth or seven, Carson Hosevar. Like he's sitting there fifth or six. Casgrawla is sitting there sixth or seven. Well, that's because of attrition. But the problem is if your Chandler Smith is you want to lean on Kyle Larson, you want to learn from Kyle Larson. You need to run all the laps to do that.

Obviously, they got in a wrecked out of their making. But no, it definitely elevates your. entire program because you can't be Daniel Hemrick and get out of that car and say, well, we suck, guys, because Kyle Larson won to race. That's what Cal does the best, though, is they always hire just like raw talent, right? Like, A.J. Almondanger, Kyle Arson, Kyle Busch, like guys are just really good race car drivers. They go find the best guys and might not always have the best cars, but they're always going to get better and they're always going to run the best of their car is able to run.

And that's what so great about that team that I respect. TJ, before we move on from this John Hunter deal, how sketchy was taking the checkered flag? Oh, very sketchy. I almost teaboned him. So let me ask you this before you tell us. Was the yellow throne? Eventually, I think.

Was the yellow throne when John Hunter crossed the star finish line? No, I don't think it was trying because we were going by him full throttle still. Holy grail. Yeah, it was scary, especially when he came back up. the track. So, so I'm going to paint the picture because I was watching it. Obviously, you are too. Freddie was probably a big house. John Hunter is running first and second, bouncing back and forth. He wrecks. He goes and he nails the inside wall. He bounces all the way back across the race track and finishes the race wrecked in fifth. And you're telling me there was no caution at the time.

When he was coming back up, I was watching my car and I was watching John Hunter. So I'm not, I don't know exactly when it came out because I'm trying to get Josh a rock. And he's not, it, so I'm not really looking for the caution. I'm telling him where the wreck is. It came out right after he hit the wall. There, Andrew, just on the video for you. Inside. Yeah. After he hit the inside wall. Yeah, so it was definitely out. I'm sorry, outside. Outside. Okay. So Casey, reconfirmed this. The caution came out after John Hunter hit the inside wall, went all the way back across the

racetrack and hit the outside wall. Yep. Right after he hit the wall at the start finish line. We were going by him pretty quick. Okay, so you can't fall to driver, Jesse. You can't fall to driver for not lifting because the caution's not out. Yeah, one spot's a lot of points and you're not going to, you know, lift or going to try to thread the needle and do whatever you can. But as a spotter at that moment where you see J.H. moving up the track, TJ, what would, like, what are you doing your driver? I'm getting Josh around the rack.

Like, I'm telling him where the car is because I want him to make the decision. I'm not telling him to go high or low sometimes like that. You're telling him where the car is because he can see it. But a lot of times, you know, if you say go low and are you normally right there, you say go high it's not very often we see cars come back across the track at the start finish line there so but he's trying to finish yeah he's trying to get across the line but at he is and that's dangerous that was that's right in the groove so I'm telling Josh you know where he's at is coming back cross track and then as soon as I know he's no he's no then you're like go low go

low we went down below him somebody somebody went by him and it was really close I don't know who it was it was probably what the fourth fourth fourth fourth place car got really close to him there was was some serious inconsistencies with cautions on Saturday. No, you could say Friday Saturdays on. Well, let's, let's move on that topic then. Well, I'm not, this is a different topic. No, I'm not talking about, but I'm just talking about like the 18 car spun out, half spun, got a caution.

Five laps later, half spun again, wasn't a caution. Yeah, there's, and I don't like, at a track like that, yeah, I think you just, when the guys way down there like that, let him just gather it up and get rolling again. He doesn't, and then not only that is that. put him back in way up in the front. Like, there was no penny for it. If you, I feel like if you bring the caution out, there's like, it's short track stuff.

If you're the reason for the caution, you're going to the back no matter what. Because, I mean, they literally, I mean, I don't, I don't know. It's hard to, I know this whole, we're going to talk about it. And it's going to be a handful. But as a spotter, though, when you say, spin in front of you, he's coming up, go low,

keep digging no yellow. Yes, yeah. Well, he wasn't coming up. He was just spinning down to the bottom. He was just spinning down to the ape. Like half spin down to the end. I'm talking about the last one. I'm talking about the John Hunter one.

Yeah, you're saying, you're flat out spotting a wreck and then you say keep digging no yellow. And if you're running 10th or 12th or 20th, your spotter sees that wreck on the front stretch. He's like, they're wrecking on the front stretch. Keep digging, no yellow. This has started happening.

It happened to, we lost a lot of spots at the dirt race because they were spinning in front of Brad and we're lifting front of Brad, and we're lifting for the wreck and four cars blow by us because they're just hammered down still and like everything we're trained to do when there's a wreck, hey, there's a wreck,

he's in the middle of the track. Lift, let's not hurt somebody right here. They gave it back to you yesterday. Well, we lost a lot, but I don't know. All right, well, Freddie, I'm passing this off to you. Spot on, spot off. Bubba Wallace said he is mind-boggled

how we finished behind cars caught up in a wreck. Kelly Crandall tweeted and asked for clarification on the four, six, and nine keeping positions. NASCAR scored the field by the previous loop and felt those drivers maintained reasonable speed at the caution. Did not feel they were in the wreck. The 21 and the 23, according to NASCAR, gained positions by not slowing. Spot on, spot off. I mean, spot on. They're right.

We should have just piled into the wreck or slowed down and waited for the wreck to come down. to hill and hit us like I apologize for missing that wreck. And that is why I gave it to you first. I don't know what I was thinking about. Uh, you know, this I don't understand. I, I, listen, you know, I'm serious about something when I'm, one, awake at 7.30 in the morning. And two, I'm on the phone with Bob Hawkeres at 7.30 in the morning. Um, but today, today. Uh, you know, and I just, I just, I needed some kind of clarification because I don't understand. Um, I don't understand how you can be involved in a crash. Um, What's involved in a crash? What does that entail? What does that mean? You're in the wreck. If you make contact with the wall or hit somebody in the wreck. So if you're slowing down and the guy runs the back of you,

you don't spend anything that you're in the wreck. I disagree with that. Just because you slow down for a rack and so you get running to the backup. Bubba lifts for that wreck gets run in the back of him. Let me ask you a very simple question. They're going to start arguing. This is fun. Well, I'm just saying,

let me ask you a very simple question. Getting bumped doesn't put you in a rack. Let me ask you a very simple question. Were you on the DVP clock? No. Yes. you were. We never pitted. Yes, you were. You don't have to pit to be on DVP clock. You are on the clock. That means you're in the wreck. That's very simple. If you're on the DVP clock, you lose all

your spots. No, no, no, no, no, no. You don't lose all your spots. You go where you blend. You're in the wreck. You should go where you blend. Not back to a scoring loop and where you maintain what's reasonable speed. Give me the definition. You break and then throttle up to and get spots for that. That's what you're saying. That's okay. Yes. If you miss the wreck, if you miss the wreck, if you missed the wreck. Listen, I have no issue. I have no issue. If you slow down behind a wreck, don't touch anybody, you should get your spot back. Go back to, you know, you're running whatever they want to, for one saying, it should not be a fucking judgment call of whatever reasonable. Who decides what reasonable speed? What is reasonable speed? What is that? Is it a pace car speed? Is it a

100 mile an hour? What do you think reasonable speed is? Whatever speed the nine was going. So, you know, like, I, if you check up a, behind a wreck and miss it, turn down the hill, whatever, don't have contact. You're not in the wreck in my opinion. You should go back for, I still don't know why we're using scoring loops from probably turn one, but God knows. Like, what, I don't understand how, like, listen, if you could argue about, I did lose sight of the nine, I thought the nine was destroyed. There was four cars in this deal that got their spots back. If you want to argue, the six and the 12, you could convince me somehow that they may have deserved.

to get their spots back, even though they were in the wreck. The nine and the four were in the middle of the wreck. The four, was it you that he hit? Did you see the in car? Like, he pouted somebody. That's what I'm saying. We lifted and got hit. Like, their cars are wrecked.

I lost start of the nine, the smoke and all that. I thought they were destroyed. I mean, all they had to do was walk over to the Fox booth because Fox had a big graphic on the TV involved in the wreck. And it's eight cars. And the four guys that they put back in the front were all on that graphic. They're all on the DVD. So they're in the fucking wreck.

And somehow, all right, you guys, you know what? You didn't spin out, I guess, is what we're going with here. So you get your spots back. And then to come out and say that the 21 and the 23 were wrong because we didn't slow down enough to stay in the wreck. Like, what are you supposed to get the fuck out of there so you're not in the wreck? Like, we dove on the apron and drove away so guys don't slide down the hill into us. It's the most assonine thing I've heard.

Like, listen, you want to argue about reasonable speed and whatnot. But to say that we did something wrong by. throttling up to get away from the wreck is the dumbest I've heard all week. So I don't get it. I mean, everybody does that. Yeah, everybody. But if you're doing that and there's other guys there, we're, so we're, whatever car, say it's us, we're right behind the wreck.

We lift. We see the wreck. We lift. We get hit by, say, car number four. He hits us. And that's all that really happens to us. But we're trying to get, we couldn't get slowed down enough to turn low at that point because we would have.

So you're saying that, and we went to like 90 mile an hour. that was our run around our minimums he was like 90 and if you're running 90 the 9 had to be running 40 yeah I told you I lost side of the 9 I thought he was wrecked I didn't know he came out of it when he came back of there I was like yeah they're probably going to put the 9 I told bradder from the beginning and 9 is probably going to be in front of us because he's still rolling right here um I don't think and I have we have sped up to miss cars I've plenty of times but I don't think you should be rewarded for speeding up to miss cars for other cars that are still running a slower pace at that point that aren't you know spinning out of wrecking. I 100% agree with you if you're not in the wreck. If you're, if there's a wreck going on and you check up and I have to have an opening on the bottom and I throttle up and pass you while you're checking up and you stay out of the wreck, you should

100% go back in front of me. Yeah. But if you're in the wreck, you should not be handed your spots back, in my opinion. I don't know where you guys sit on this. Obviously, me and and TJ are going to be on opposite sides because we had totally different. T. Jay came out on top, so he's going to be on T. And Jason Haley and Bubba Wallace got screwed. And, and Harrison Burton. And Harrison Burton. Yes. At the end of the day, like, sometimes Rex or like when the garage door is closing, you're trying to get out. Like, you just got to throttle up and hope you can clear that garage door closing, right?

And I don't think Bubba did nothing wrong or whoever else got the dog for speeding up. He timed it perfect. Yeah, that's not right. And neither is, like, watching the replay this or last time before I went to bed of the nine car, like could have probably put that thing in first gear and been fine and how slow he was going. And then he gets all the spots back and runs third. Like, that's not right either. So I don't know the answer or the fix to it.

but those are two things that aren't right and the people that are paid to make those decisions need to kind of figure it out. Yeah, I mean, if you're still running a hundred mile an hour and your car finishes a race and you don't have to pick to fix anything, are you really, did you?

You were in the wreck. What's in the wreck? Because you touched something? Because you told me before the show started, if you had to run 10 more laps, you were going to be in trouble because you left for a friend to look like a parachute. Because we got run into the backup. That's because you were in the wreck.

So now you're talking. tell me that I have to drive through wrecks and hope I don't get running the back. Everybody raise your hand if you think T.J. was in the wreck. It's going to be 100%. So what if you hit the wall trying to avoid the car that go through? You're in the wreck. You're in the wreck. If you hit something,

it's not, it's not your fault. I don't think you're in the wreck. If you brush the wall and there's a car right here, you're in the wreck. So you should not be ahead of cars that were not. If you get damage, you're in the wreck.

I mean, that's the simplest way to put it. Well, you probably damage your side skirt. So you're probably in the wreck when you slam down there. I mean, you had damage. from that. If you slow down too much to miss the wreck, you also should not get to keep all those positions because you didn't maintain a reasonable race speed. They missed this call completely.

I just think there's a big gray area there. I've been on the bad side of it at Bristol numerous times. We're on the other side of it. Lifter for a wreck. They put them guys in front of us. But if you're still, I mean, it's whatever. I don't know what the answer is, but there needs to, needs to be a better way of determining. Bob, we just talked about the, I wanted clarification on a rule because I thought there was a rule that said, if you're involved in the wreck, you go where you blend.

And there's not. They've changed that now to, to they go back to what they did, what they said, they go back to the scoring loop and any cars that maintained a reasonable speed, get their spots back, which I think is ridiculous. If you actually like are,

you spin out and start rolling, that. Yeah, I know, but I'm just saying, I think that should be the rule. think if you're going to do this properly in my opinion they can't use SMT data which we say on here all the time like they should be able to because we looked at SMT the other day and and and Bubba beat true X to the line and qualifying and he beat us by a hundredth of a second and on the timing so

obviously that stuff is not accurate enough to to solely base lineups off of but I mean at some point we have 10,000 cameras on this deal like you can pick out the guys that have that are in the wreck I mean you guys obviously you can have guys clip guys and whatnot but there was two or three guys that were the heart of the accident, but behind True X and Logano, and they're wrecked, their cars are wrecked. Listen, man, our poor fans, you can't imagine what it's like

to watch some of this on TV because TV is showing the time of caution. And then NASCAR is going back and placing you in running order based on that previous scoring loop. So as a fan, you couldn't be more confused. You're watching a guy lose the lead on TV, the caution comes out, and then they're giving him the lead back,

and then TV's showing you the graphic on, caution came out here and so-and-so's leader, but that's not how it works, ladies and gentlemen. We're going to go back 400 feet or whatever it is and base it on that. So it is a problem. We've talked about it on here. I tweeted about it yesterday. They have got to clean this up, or TV has got to stop showing the time of caution with where who's running where.

I think you're playing with a slippery slope right there. Did I say that right? Yeah. You're good. Bird with no feathers. DART. You're still, if you don't go back to something, you're almost promoting throttling up in missing stuff.

If you don't go back to something like we lift, we don't hit anything, but we didn't maintain 130 mile an hour through a wreck that's in front of us. Do you think that time of caution, the leader of the race at the time of caution should always be the leader? I don't know, man. What do you mean you don't know? Yeah, the fucking answer is yes.

But the thing about it is, if that, yeah, I mean, sure. But then, then what do you do with the rest of the cars? They're not the leader. So they're under a different. Yes, they're under a different deal. Jeburdon won Talladega because they went back to a previous scoring. I'm okay with that. I'm okay with racing for the lead like that when the college comes out because that,

I've lost a race like that of Talladega. But that's how Brandon won two, right? Brandon Brown? Like that was the deal with, I think he was racing Brandon Jones. Whenever I was spotting for Drell Jr., we had that one restart and Joey got pushed by either Jeff or Brad. I can't remember which one it was, and we didn't get a good push from whatever the other one was,

and the caution come out into one at Talladega, and that was it. We lost the race because of that. Joy Lugano wrecked Elliott Sadler at Talladega. Coming to the checker, Elliot gathered it up, he continued on, the caution came out, Brennan Poole was behind him,

Brendan Poole beat Elliot to the line, Elliot was rewarded to be the race leader because of time of caution. So if you're going to do it, at the end of the race, it should be done every single time the caution flies for the lead. You should not ever penalize a guy for taking the lead. Yeah, I think if I'm fine with the leader being like that, but you can't, the rest, I'm trying to do it as a whole. Yeah, I just think the simplest way to do it, and it doesn't, we rely way too much on computers versus our eyes. And I think the easiest way to do

it is you go back to that loop. If you really, if that's the best way to do it, best way to start to line up, go back to that loop. But then use your eyes to see this guy's in the real. You wreck, this guy's in the wreck, this guy. And then you don't kind of put them to the back. They don't go to last. They go wherever they came out of the wreck. You know, Chase didn't need to go to 20th. He should have been about 10th or 12th or something like that. But, you know, like that, that's the

easiest way, I think, just use your eyes. Here's the line up. You're saying judgment calls all the time. Well, just like if, it's not judgment. It's actually common sense. It's like, you look at it. It's black and white in front of you. This is a wreck. If you have damage, if you have damage, if the easiest way is to look at your BVP clock, if they're on your clock,

they've been in the wreck. Like, that's the easiest thing to do, but like I don't, I don't get it. What is DVP damage vehicle policy? So if I'm wrecking and you go by me on the bottom and I bet and I hit you that hard, you're on the DVD clock. Yeah. If you have, and you're in the wreck. Know that just by CST. Yeah. And you have to reach like a certain speed. If you touch, I'm telling you, if you have that little bit of contact, you're on the clock. Yeah. And we had that problem at Charlotte. We had, we were near a wreck. I don't know that we ever touched anybody. But then we didn't, I don't know that we didn't realize it or whatnot,

but we were just riding around the back trying to save tire. And they're like, you're done. I'm like, you mean I'm done? They're like, oh, you were on the clock. You didn't make minimum speed. I'm like, what are we on the clock for? And spotters, as a spotter, you don't get alerted. You're on the clock. I don't know if the team, does the team get alert. Yeah. But as a spotter, like, we don't get an alert. The official doesn't come down there and go, hey, just a heads up, you're on the DVP clock. So you don't know how to manage that time between your own pit road and minimum speed and all that. It's just...

But can't you just, if you're in the rack, assume you're on the DVP clock? Yeah, I mean, there's times where you know it, but there's times you don't know. There's times like when some, like, when you think you miss something and they see, like, because they're doing it by eye, there's no like sensor on the car that says you hit anything. So they just, if you're close to somebody and I tell, you know, we get through a wreck all the time and me, T.J. Bubba, all do it. Jesse, I'm sure has been asked. Like, hey, did you get it? Did you hit anybody? Did you hit anything? Do you slide the tires? Whatever. You know, they're going to answer you. No, I didn't touch them. I don't think I touched them.

maybe I did. So like, you know, if Bubba tells me I didn't touch them, then I'm like, all right, good, we're good, we're not on the clock

or nothing like that. And then come to find out, we're black flag five laps later because we didn't make minimum speed. And you're like, what the hell happened? But yeah,

I don't, I don't know. I'm sure I'm going to get in trouble for that. But there's, and the Xfinney race has happened as well, that big wreck in three and four. We go into it. We don't hit anything.

We run the wall. We slow way down in three and four. We don't hit anything. Come out of it. and 12 cars passes on the bottom the throttle up. Joe Graff went from like 20-something to like 10th and thought he was going to be there. But you're promoting. You can't.

We got to just make sure we don't promote. I'm fine with you a car coming down the track and you're getting by it. But you got people have to understand that's not, you're missing that car. You're just saving yourself. You don't get. No, yeah. I think that like I said, like obviously we were able to dive out of there before you could. If you were able to get checked up but you were going to get out of there,

but the four running to the back. But like if you were able to stay in there but not hit anything and we dive by you on the apron, 100% you get your spot back. But like I just take cars in the red. I mean, I don't blame it for, I mean, we all know at Darrington where those cars are going to end up when they start spinning. Yeah. I mean, talk about that wreck on Saturday, like another time where Chandler, I was spot for Chandler. We were right behind the wreck.

And the seas, I know, we know, like you talk about knowing what's going to happen. They're wrecking up top. You know they're going to come down the hill. So we're up against the wall. I'm like, just keep dig hard up top. And we're trying to get through it before somebody comes back across. And I see the nose coming through the wreck. I'm like, man, we're going to make it again, and somebody hooks the 19 and pounds us in the fence and we're done. But like checking up there, I would have been done. I would have wrecked anyway. So like the only option is because of the foam. No, no, the car was wrecked. I mean, I don't know what the rule is about having to put the phone back in. Oh, yeah. But yeah, the car was wrecked. All right. Well, moving on to a similar topic of consistency. Ross Chassain, I went full commit into one. I got tight and turned myself after he and Larson crashed in the closing laps, fighting for.

for the lead. Brett, spot on, spot off. Oh, boy. You get like a minute and a half. What an idiot. Which one? The one. Like you're coming off of a week where you're getting a lot of love from fans. Dale Jr. raises his hand and says, man, NASCAR needs to get behind this guy. His team needs to get a marketing plan. They need to make him the intimidator. They need to make him the man in black. They need to do all these things from a marketing and promotions and licensing perspective. And then he goes out here racing at one of the best racetracks in the country. Ross Chastain has never won at an Oval in the Cup series.

Ross Chastain has won at a plate track where the Cs parted and he inherited the lead. Freddie could have done that. And I don't mean nothing by that. But Freddy's running on the bottom and everybody else moves up and Freddy gets pushed to the front and he wins race. like Ross didn't really do anything there to win the race. Obviously he won Cota last year, a very impressive win there, a road course race, which again, I think AJ Amadinger is part of the reason why he's such a good road racer. But you're racing at a great racetrack.

You're racing one of the best drivers in the world, if not the best driver in the world, and you completely drive into his door and then you completely wreck yourself. And it screwed the fans out of what we thought was going to be a really good finish. But man, just this guy, he can't help himself. Like he he gets perceived to be this, this butthole, and then he finally is kind of fixing it, and now he's back a butthole again. I mean, I'll give him credit. He wasn't lying.

He said he was going to go full committee, did. He said he wanted to run him up the hill. He did. The execution was less than ideal because if he wanted an example on how to do it, he could have took notes from Kyle doing it to him to restart before, because a lot of people missed that when, with, the True X and all that stuff, wrecking on, going on behind the leader. But Kyle and him stay wheel to wheel.

And then Kyle squeezes him in the fence off of two and gets the big run down the back and was going to clear him and be gone. But he just drives it. He commits a little too much, gets too clear and hooks himself in the fence. Like, it's just, I don't know. Like Bernard Pollard sent me a text last night. And he's like, man, where are you at with Ross? He's like, obviously, I don't know anything about this.

He's like, was he good for the sport? Do you agree with what he does? And I said, man, he's great for the sport. Like, he's phenomenal for the sport. I don't agree with anything he does. Like, it's a two-level question there because anything that gets people talking. I mean, we talked about on here, like sponsors taking the sport mainstream or drivers trying to get mainstream.

Ross is on the Pat McAfee show last week after that deal fighting on pit road. It doesn't get more mainstream than the Pat McAfee show right now. How is it not good for the sport when you're on the shows like that? So, like that's great for the sport, but then you can't come back and just do something like this. And like you said at a place like Darlington, probably one of. or the fastest car all day long and you end up in the garage at the end of the day

because of a stupid move into one. I get fully committing, but fully committing is only going to, like, it's not going to work. Like, you can't do that. So I don't know.

Like, it's just, spot off. And you have a car there. Yeah, he had lane choice. And like, how do you get lane choice? Because of the freaking timing lines.

Jesse, spot on, spot off. I like Ross. Like, helps me out. I like Ross too. But that was dumb as hell.

At the end of the day, he is one of the best drivers as far as speed goes wherever he goes. And the problem, the most annoying part of it is that he's a really good race car driver. And when you're that good of a race car driver, there's no excuse to have no finesse about going in there and just screwing up that whole deal. He knows how good he is, and we all know that too. And we all expect him to have at least some sort of finesse. and so just bulldoze your way off in there and wreck two cars, right? Like there's a point where the only thing with Ross is that, like, he's making it harder than it needs to be.

Like he could have, in my opinion, like a couple oval, true oval wins by now. But he's making it way harder than it needs to be. Instead of taking his second, he tries to make it up first and ends up 35th and then has a bunch of enemies and he's getting in fights and all that stuff. When if he just runs second, second, and then runs top three a bunch of times, He has a speed to do, those ones are just going to come by nature. So it's unfortunate because I like him a lot and he's really good. And it's just, it sucks to see somebody that good, like do something with no finesse when you know they have all the finesse in the world.

So, TJ, there are a lot of conversations around like Rick Hedrick comments or Cliff's comments about how Ross has wrecked three Chevys in the last three weeks. What does a manufacturer do or a team owner do in this situation knowing that they're not helping them at least the manufacturer piece. I mean, he's a team owner. That's the card I would probably play too. You always want to keep your numbers up. But man, racing for wins, I don't think, you know, I agree with Jesse.

I think Ross needed to knock out a couple top twos or threes. And who knows he doesn't come off that corner leading the race till. He could run Kyle up off a two and put him in the marbles a little bit and clear him and take the win that way. But, you know, it's hard not to, you said it. for Brett, win at all costs. And Ross felt like that was his chance to get out front and what he needed to do. And I mean, I don't think it was the best play for him personally, but I don't fall to

guy for, I don't care if it's Ross or somebody else. I don't know, it could be Bubba, Brad. If they're going for the win, I mean, obviously Ross has had more speed and had really good cars and you definitely don't want to make bad luck for yourself. You know, I don't, I don't, I definitely probably wouldn't have tried to put him in the wall, but, you know, you got to go for the win too. But I don't know, everyone messes up, man. I mean, Kyle ran you into the fence at Vegas, right?

I mean, that's Kyle, that's early in the race, too. I would have no issue. It's the execution. Like, if you squeeze Kyle in the wall and beat him off a turn two, I'm going to go, hey, that was fucking good job, Ross. You know, like, but you can't go in there just full bore and wreck your cell. I mean, you did, you know. But like, if you executed properly, it's a, like, literally Kyle did it to him the restart of four.

You know, just ran him a stayed wheel to wheel with him through the center of the corner, about three quartermark. He squeezes him in the fence, turns down the hill and he gets clear off of two. Like, if Ross does that, I'm good with it. But you, like, you go in here and just kind of overcommit, get too far out in front of Kyle so that when you do squeeze him up in the wall, he's got no option but to turn you into the wall. And then the funniest part of the whole thing was obviously Kyle stays in the gas and pushes Ross all the way down the back straightaway. and I don't know if you watched a video of Brandon McReynolds going Is he smiling? No, Brandon McReynolds is going, still pushing you.

Still pushing you. I'm like, it's just the way he said it. I was dying. Brandon McRill was one of my favorite. He was so laid back. Still pushing you. Yeah. Yeah, he was in,

him and, um, Tyler. They were standing next to each other too. So by the way, which something we forgot last week to bring up was that Brandon McRandles manages Ross and Noah and they're beating each other up. He doesn't manage Ross. I'm sorry. He spots for Ross, manages Noah.

and then they're beating each other up in Perry Rhodes. That was awkward for him. We forgot last week. I wish we didn't. But then Tyler Mawn and Brandon are like best friends on the roof and they're standing next to each other and they go ahead and wreck each other for the way. Jesse, they're a country music duo act. They are.

They go to Nashville. Why can't we ever have Brandon on the show? We can. Why won't he never agree? Here's the thing about this. I think Rick Hendrick is firing a warning shot across the bow to Chevrolet in his statements. Who do you think guys? the stick at Phoenix between Chase and Ross. It was Chase. Who do you think got the bad end of the

stick at Dover between Ross and Kyle? Who do you think got the bad end of the stick between Ross and Kyle yesterday? Like I think that Rick Hendrick is tired of seeing his race cars get wrecked when Rick Hendrick is the number one Chevrolet team in the garage. Who do you think spells more Chevroletes at their dealerships? Rick Hendrick or Justin Marks? I'm going to guess Rick. I'm going to think Justin Marks doesn't even have a dealership. So probably Rick Hendrick. When you talk about You talk about key partners. Obviously, Trackhouse is a key partner, so was Rick Hendrick. Rick Hendrick is the key partner, though.

He's the top of the pecking order. I think this is him saying out loud to Chevrolet. You better get this guy to stop wrecking my race cars because at the end of the day, Jesse, Ross has pissed off half the garage, and it's still yet for anybody to do anything to him. And I was thinking about this analogy on the way here. You have two guys that are similar on speed,

William Byron and Ross Chastain. There's really no place with the exception of Bristol Dirt. where you're going to go and say, Byron's got no shot and Chastain has no shot. They both got a shot every weekend. But Byron goes and takes his top threes when he can, and then those turn into wins. And then Ross is either 30-dang-fifth or wins their race, right?

So, I mean, you'd think that no way Rick Hendrick would leave, but you'd think the same thing by Jimmy Johnson. So it was some strong words by Rick, and I was kind of surprised to hear it. But at the same time, it's well-deserved to say that. Yeah, I mean, the manufacturer doesn't come into play when you have an issue like this, especially for, like you said, Rick, don't care.

Like, Chevry's not going anywhere for him. I mean, he literally said, and I quote, I'm loyal to Chevrolet, but when somebody runs over us, I expect our guys to hold their ground. I don't expect them to yield because of Chevrolet. So he's basically saying all that's off the table. You know, like I saw all this stuff with Ross last week about, you know,

like Dale's, you know, and they're talking about, you know, he's good for the sport because he's this edgy and he wins races. And he doesn't win races. Like he's won two races. Two out of 164. And he's won one on a plate race and won a coda, which he did a phenomenal job, but he all, by the way,

he also knocks people out of the way there to do that. So, you know, it's like, I get it. How many wins has he cost Chevrolet? Well, that guy, I can't even imagine. But, you know, like, how many races should he have won or could he have won in this time period

or at least been in a position to win where something stupid happens? So, like Jesse said, you just, if you put your self in position enough times, something good's going to happen and you're going to end up winning a race. But to say like he's at, you know, he's on this level because he goes out and wins races and he's edgy. Well, he's going to have to win some more races before I give him that credit. Well, let's move on to the DBC A-Main.

And unfortunately, there were quite a few rainouts, which is not helping the dirt world these days. But we still had some solid races. I think Dave Blaney won at Sharon Speedway. Dave. Yes. Buck out bullet. This week, Outlaws are at Attica, so that should be a fun one to watch, and I'll all be checking out. And Jesse, what do you have going on on Wednesday?

Well, I'm at Millbridge. She wanted you to say it, not her. That was a setup. That was a setup. But yeah, I'm with chat at Millbridge, and then I go to Cota for four straight days in the GRD6 deal, come back on Monday, race Milbridge, Tuesday, Wednesday, Hickory and Sue Played on Thursday and Charlotte Arco on Friday. So that's all? So you don't have much going on?

Oh, I'm not that busy. I've got midget week coming up, so I'm looking for that with Chad. All you're running Chad's midget? What is that? Like Indy Midget Week? Yeah. That's fun. Yeah, I was just in Indy.

Speaking of Indy, I got this hat in Indy, and then Windham ran out. I wore it here last week for the first time. It's a lane racing, Chris Windham hat. So he went out and ran second both races this week. He ran him and Tyler ran one too, which is pretty cool, good buddies of mine. But I text him, I said, I guess I'm going to have to keep wearing that hat until you run like a so he's like, yeah, please do. So I guess we're stuck with this forehead, hopefully for a while.

We know who will smell next week when we have no AC and you're still wearing the time. Well, I mean, what do you do? Wear a hat once and throw it out, Casey? You're like, wash it, spray it? I've never washed a hat my life. I mean, for one, you don't really watch it. I have washed hats, but like, can't wash a hat and wash a machine. It's not like I've wear, the only place I've wore it is here.

So it's not like, I don't think it's getting too dirty. But, yeah, I watched a couple of All-Star races this week. Not much going on. How would Milbridge, do you guys run Milbridge last week or get rained out? Nope. This Wednesday. Yeah.

They were off last week. There was a big micro race last weekend, so I think they were all. I saw the Brad win. Brad won somewhere. Was that a, outlaw race? No, they rained out.

Oh, was it Williams Grove? They were just Williams Grove, right? Yeah. Somewhere rained out and everybody just went. I saw that's a big deal. The outlaws versus the posse deal. If you ever get a chance to see that. Sharon was a pretty stack.

show. Really? I thought there was a lot of heavy hitters there. But everything ran it out. So that was actually a really good race. I'm trying to think of what else I saw. Jesse, what's your favorite dirt track you run?

Boom, bridge. No. Spoon River. Spoon River is pretty sweet. It's high banked somewhere in the Fee. I have known. So Windham's having a race there, I think.

It might even be an out-on-all-star race. I don't know. It's Logan Ceev's favorite track, too. It's awesome. It's high banked, kind of in a bowl, no wall, so you're just like hanging your tail tank off the edge. So like I-55 with no wall or? No, it's like a smaller Belleville with no wall. Big Belleville.

No wall. That would be exciting. Yeah. It is in Illinois. There you. I'm sure. And for all you people who are going to tweet me that you can wash your hat into dishwasher, I'm very aware. There's also no noise in Illinois.

It's Illinois. Casey said it right. I'm proud of her. I saw Brian Carber won that US 24 was like 10 grand to win micro show. Really? Carbers, he's the, he's the king of the micros. Yeah. He didn't win at Milbridge though, Casey.

He didn't win there. He did not win at Milbridge and hopefully you will this week, Jesse. Yeah, we need that. What's the big money show? Is that Charlotte Week? I thought it was a Charlotte week. Or is that a midget race? There's a midget race and the micro race next week, which.

But when's the big race at Millbridge? I think it's in October. I think it's towards the Charlotte. Okay. It was the end of the year. It was later last year. Are you running a midget and a, and a, no, just a micro. I think Chad and I are scared where it's in our wreck, both of our cars running the midget.

The amount of money that was spent at Millbridge every midget race. And midget. Explain to people what you mean by micro because a lot of our listeners, obviously, are nice car fans. You have a sprint car and even midget, which is a smaller sprint car. And then you have a micro, which is a smaller midget. So it's like motorcycle engines with the really high-pitched tune and just a smaller chassis. Is they momentum? Yeah.

For sure. It's mainly momentum, racing. Running the top as hard as you can. Smaller tires, like half the horsepower. But, I mean, geez, last week, like, you run the top really hard at Millbridge, and I went out to practice last week. They had no cushion. The track banking was flatter, and I broke the Jacob's ladder by hitting the cushion

in practice, and then I was, I went to that again. Chad fixes it, go back out, qualify. Get on the racetrack, go into one, off of two, do the same thing again. and so I like timed in like 35th. Casey's still talking to you? I mean, how much money is those things? Oh my gosh. She ain't able to afford them golden goosey shoes.

I get out of the car. I get out of the car and qualifying and I just take my stuff off putting the trailer because I thought Chow wasn't like, we're just done. That was bad. And we ran decent, but. If she spent a lot of less money on that.

You say you run the cushion in Bill Brady. That's a lie. Y'all run on the wall. Yeah, the wall. You all legitimately are on the wall. That's where that's where the term banging the boards comes from. You could run the midget if they didn't spend as much money on that. actually

my dad didn't or my dad paid for that one so but yes no he doesn't pay for your auto car cleanings I can tell you that keep it rolling Casey what a asshole

reaction theater four calls this week he's got to mark that down because you swore Casey geez geez case well then stop calling me out like we got all day even interns got on gold

of goosey shoes damn that's 17 I had to wear Jesus sandals everywhere. What are the, what are on them shoes? I can't. Golden Gooseys. That's some golden goose shoes they wear.

They're cozy. Yeah, that's a car payment right there. Really? I'm talking about an Audi car payment. I'm not talking about a Ford Pinto car payment. I don't even know what, like that's serious a name of the shoe? Golden Goose's name of the shoe. Golden Goose.

Golden Goose. I call them Golden Gooseys. I thought you said it. Did you pay for them? You can say it. It's fine. If you only, if you only pay for half, why you should only, you should only get one shoe.

She's an intern. Hell no, she didn't pay for them. The amount. You think Casey paid for hers? Chad paid for him. This kid drives a Tesla, so we all know he spent some money. This kid. This kid.

Yeah. That guy. You baby face devil, you. Just own it. Do you make your own car payment? No. That was my honeymoon fund, actually. Oh, my gosh.

Baby moons, honeymoon, honeymoons, golden gooseys. My birthday week. I mean. Actually, I didn't know. Andrew, please tell me you're ready with the calls. Oh, yeah, I'm ready. Oh, boys and girls, I got to laugh at that one. Are you kidding me?

The quote, who was it, David Gilland? You got to learn how to wreck somebody without wrecking yourself. I mean, what were you thinking, Ross? I mean, if you're door-to-door with him out of two, you still have a chance to win the race. I mean, everybody talks about the greatness that is Ross Chess. He may never win another race at this level. I mean, people are seeing this every week.

We're not going to let him win. I think he's here to stay. I think he's got a lot of speed. I think he's got a lot of talent. I think Jesse hit the nail on the head, though. You got to start racing with a brain. You mentioned David Gildolin in that call. Todd Gilden is having a pretty good season pretty quietly.

I mean, I looked at him. He's 11th. He's got some top 10. I think he's got more top tens this year than he had all of last year already. I think he's improved his average position by like four or five spots already this year. So he's quietly having a really good year. Yeah, he is. I think they pissed him off when they took him out of the car for them races.

that Zane didn't run. He ran 10 of 20 all day yesterday. I would love to know if that car now has more of the same resources that the 34 had, because all along it kind of felt like when you look at the 7 and 77 was Pire that the 7 had resources, the 77 didn't. Same for the 34 versus 38.

So I'd be curious to know if they're more on a level playing field. But you're right, kudos. Hats off Tim. I wanted to talk, you know, I talked about somebody this yesterday with, I think it was Jordan and we were just talking about some rumors in the garage and whatnot. And obviously Zane Smith is the name that comes up and he's under-contracted front row when I was talking to him about, especially if he goes to

somewhere a four team that whether the four or the ten are open or something like that, front row is not going to just let him go. But, you know, obviously you could buy out of a contract. We saw that with Redick last year. But, I mean, they could potentially leverage this into more help, you know, for their team from Ford or from Stuart Haas. You know, it would be interesting

to see if they go that route because, I mean, they've lost some really good people there the last couple years crew chief wise and just team member wise. But yeah, but anyway, kudos to Todd. And yeah, I, yeah, Ross has got to do a better job. I mean, I mean, Kind of on the same topic. Newman yesterday was pretty solid for not being in a car.

Yeah, I mean, he was like 25th in practice. He was good. He was running 28th when he wrecked. And then that melee started with. His qualifying lap, I mean, he went out and laid a normal Ryan Newman. When he ran, it was like. It was the closest speedwise. A non-SHR-prepared Rick Ware racing car has ever gotten to the pole.

I said this to somebody that works at Rick Ware Racing last week. And I don't want to get into the reasons why. But the best thing could ever happen to that team is they've got better drivers in these cars now and they've ever had. Even Brennan, like, at Dover, he was running mid-20s or low-20s. I mean, he was doing all right. Yeah. Oh, my God. Cliff Daniels, shut your freaking laptop and go be a man.

This dude complains so much. Week in and week out, you think he'd be driving the damn car. But no, close your laptop and go talk to him. The pit box for O'Shea St. is right down the road. Like, just go do that. Additionally, holy Christ. crap. HMS. You have one driver with a freaking personality. You guys win the race finished third or in contention every damn week. And it's like, oh yeah, it's great. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yep, sure. I'm really happy to win. It's like, there's drivers up and down this order with a better personality. And these guys are at the front every single week. And you put a microphone in front of their face. And there's, oh, yeah, it was good. Well, Tiff Daniels, Cliff's sister's in the studio. Should we get her a headset so she can hear what they just said about her brother?

look man these guys have to be professionals and it's easy to want to go down there and whoop a man's ass and you have to know you have the support of your organization if you do that like i've been a part of organizations like michael walter bracing where brian patty came over the radio and he said we've had enough of that and the whole team ran to the hauler but if you don't have the support of your boss of the manufacturer and of all the other people being the sponsors, you can get in real big trouble throwing haymakers these days. How big's Phil? Ross is crew chief?

I mean, is he a big guy? No. No? Still takes a lot of courage, though. I don't think they're going to. Yeah, I mean, nobody's going to fight. Yeah. Ain't nobody going to go down there and say anything to McCall.

The crew chief ain't going to go punch the driver. That'd be good. Let that be. That'd go well. I bet Cliff could probably throw down, though. I mean, I'm sure he could. I'm sure he could. But I'm going.

Tommy Ballwin, Todd Parrot. I could keep going. them guys, they would go down there. Zippy and Tommy fought, didn't they? I wouldn't fight Tommy. Dude, my guy, my guy's like the karate kid. No, we're going to fight my cruise chief. I got to a fight with, not a fight against Tommy, with Tommy in November.

Like, we were in a racetrack and we were in a middle of a 30-on-30 brawl recently. Them karate kid. Wait a minute. What? How does this not make the show when that happened? When we were his off-season. It was a week after the season. T.J's guys are black belt and karate.

The key of them karate guys, you got to get your hands on them. That's got long legs. So if he ever kicked you, it'd be... I don't think you want to mess with him. Oh, McCall? Yeah. I used to do karate. I don't think you want to fight.

What kind of karate did he do? Because if it's Takeondo, I ain't scared to take one dough. Take one though. Take one though. Take one dough. Take one dough. If it's a jujitsu, I ain't fucking with him. I don't care what karate is.

I'm taking McCall over you. I don't care if it's... No shit. Yeah. Take one dough. Take one dough. Take out dough. we're hunting take one buck dude did you hear the i heard an announcer at some point say they referenced

what were they doing that this guy is also professional oh it was like a pit crew guy was also a professional bow hunter and they referenced that into being good at on pit stops so yeah that's a lot of like i don't know what it was so much in common yeah who did that i heard it like i was i was getting my radio that it was on the loudspeakers. I'll tell you after. Oh boy. On that note, I cannot be the only person who's been scrolling through TikTok and the Savannah bananas come up and

the dancing umpire. And I know for sure, I can't be the only one who's ever looked at that dancing umpire and gone is that Freddie Craft? Is he out here under cover? Or is this his doppelganger? Must be a really good looking some. He's definitely out there under cover.

I don't think Freddy's hips move like that umpire. I guarantee you that they do not until maybe I need some lubrication. If I get some swing loob in me there. We went from banana hammocks to lubes. It's alcohol. That's what I'm talking about, Casey. Don't look at me like that.

Brett's the one that started. Freddie and lubes does not well in my mind. We went to a baseball game for my birthday a couple years ago and talking about it now. Umpires. So we're at this baseball game and we had been drinking all day. naturally. He's got the hat on. And it's me.

Brett was with us, my best friend Rob from where I grew up. So we're down there. We got this, Rob gets these amazing seats and we're back there, free beer, which is the last thing we possibly needed. So about the third or fourth inning, I'm like, Brett got up and left. And that's not uncommon for Brett. Like, he just goes off on a tangent sometimes. So I'm like, is anybody where the, did Brett go?

He's been gone for like an hour. I don't see him. Where is he at? So finally, Megan, who's probably the most sober of all of us, This is like, I found Brett. I'm like, where, because where our seats are literally like probably 20, 30 rows behind home plate. And she's like, I found Brett. I go, where is he?

She goes, look at the big screen. I go, oh, my God. He is literally standing on the fence behind the catcher calling balls and strikes with the empire. And it's right on television. Like, he's, I'm like, I'm like, oh, my God. Now I'm looking down to see him because he's only like 10 rows in front of me. And I'm like, holy. I'm like, get up here.

Are you just coping the umpire? Were you like trying to call actually? No, he was definitely not just agreeing with the umpire. I promise you that much. He's your buddy. He's back there. He's a heckling. Now, Mali, I am T.J.

Right on the fence. Like right up against the little net right there. I wouldn't dare mess with an umpire. Oh my God. I'll never forget that. William Byron, it's seven wins in his career. Three this year, most ever. I would have thought he had more wins than seven.

How about 100 wins for the 24? Yeah, that's big. I don't know. I feel like seven's a pretty good amount. It is. One, two, three, four, five years. Should have been eight last year, Dronston. It's a six year, seven wins.

But three wins in a year is, that's a big number. Yeah. Especially we're early in the season. He's just, you know what? We were in front of him for a little bit there for a while at the end. He was behind us, couldn't pass us. And wins race. So that's part of, he never gave up.

things went a certain way got the opportunity at the end jumped on and won the race and he's a smart guy where like yes win at all costs and you have that mindset but at a certain point you got to be bigger than that and I think that he's on a great job

about being bigger than that you know guys like Kevin Harvick are where then you have Ross or people like that they're just like win at all costs and then you turn your first or second place run into a 35th and that's just what William's so good at you know that's true

that's true but it's hard to Hard to stay alive. He's going to have peaks and valleys. Yeah. You know, and William's just the whole time. Today is going to be the day that I'm finally going to grow some balls. By now, someone should have somehow found a way to pay back Ross. I got to believe that everybody feels the way I do about him now.

And all the damage that his cause is growing. He wrecked me yesterday without even slowing There are many things that I would like to do to Ross But I don't know how Because maybe, maybe We're all just a bunch of little babies Babies, babies Won't do nothing at all

To pay back wonder all that was fantastic that's a new one right i don't know i don't think that person's called in before the song yeah that was uh do we have a name on that one yeah what's the name barren through ben that guy ben what's that song probably came out when i was born huh yeah i was gonna ask that too that was way that was way before you really do you know who sings it oasis right it is oasis it is oh oh it's good smart i told you guys yeah actually i told you guys to start that off oh okay who called How was I supposed to know that? Who texted them all the information?

I was the first person who looked at... Do you think I only know Jesse Love because he drives for Chad? No. I go, hey, you should get Jesse to call in next week. And she blows me off. So then I went to you and we went to each other. I honestly tend to ignore anything you say, Brett. We make it happen, Casey.

That's the moral of the story. Remind me to tell you a story. There goes our... Remind me after the show to tell you what I did. Were you caught up in that Phoenix record earlier this year? Yeah. Yeah, Claren. Jen's jump.

Yeah, okay. Teammate. That's somebody that needs to get punt. But he turns 18. That's what, we need a new segment. Now, not one idiot of it. Who's most punchable faces? Okay, yeah, remind me after the show.

I think we already decided who that was. Yeah, he's sitting next to me. Ben said, uh, that's from Michael Massey. Michael Massey. Thank you, Michael. I like it. We appreciate it. Great job.

We look forward to the next one. I think I know that guy. Yeah, sounds familiar. Is that the guy that race? Mason. That's Mason. No. It's a significant.

guy that race is in, Ford Martin had a Monday night racing league and I think that guy is in there. Ford Martin had his hands full of our day with a staying out with old tires on a late restarted. Who was Ford Martin? I know that guy from racing the NFL and he's pretty good. It's Gilmartin's son.

He's a spotter now for Haley. Okay. I think it's his first full-time. Yeah. And we gave him. Were you still up there at that point? Are you probably? I don't know. Oh, yeah. And we're like they're coming to green how it gets like when somebody stays out. We're all just like

yeah good luck for it have to have fun here buddy i honestly thought haley did a really good job of managing that because there was a lot of opportunity to get your truck destroyed there was some questionable calls in that race i felt like hym probably gave that one away with staying out and and bearing himself in track position ekees did a good job capitalizing i mean ex was fast all night too but corey i thought had control or was going to have control the race and it was fun uh giving your cup teammate a little bit of issue there because Fontana when Josh came up on the Sam Hunt car and just clobbered him. I mean, I screamed outside like as many times as you can say in two seconds or more than that,

but I said it a ton. Well, Nick's guy come up. He had Corey, I think, and Corey Hyman in the Spinney race. And Corey come up off four like they were two wide. We were three wide and cleaned everybody out. So I made sure Nick knew that he wasn't clear because he actually tweeted that after the race, not clear. So I went down there when I say, Nick, you're not clear. You and Nick have a little

feeling. It was fun. It was fun. Yeah, it was fun. Hey, speaking of the truck race, shout out to Timmy Hill because Timmy Hill ran his ass off on Friday night. He was in the top 10 majority of the time. I thought Richard Coleman stands next to me and he was spotting for him. And they beat us off pit road and I was like, two tires? And I went back at

looked and I was like, he's been top 10 in the whole run. So he did a really good job. Unfortunately, cut a tire and I don't even know where he ended up finishing. But he had a hell of a night going. and shout out to him, one of our favorite people, him and his... I'll tell you, I had a good run in the cup race. That was quietly running good. It was Ricky Stenhouse.

Small unit. He was really good. Ricky Sennhouse was running. He was fast. He was running a really, yeah, he ran a really good race yesterday. And then he cut a tire and looped it down there. And it's come a long way since wrecking on lap one, the first race back after COVID. Dude, that was an awesome move, though.

I got to get, remember that? Yeah. That was awesome. I think he spent on Pit Road, too. Yeah, he did. I think he wrecked coming to Pit Road as well. He did. All right, well, to leave an audio message 24-7, just head to anchor.fm.m. slash doorbubber clear.

Click the message icon, and Andrew and Bartender Ben will keep paying the best ones. Hey, Dirty Moe listeners, this is Dillon Hart Jr. It's May, and you know what that means. The Indianapolis 500 is just around the corner. Thankfully, we have Speed Street with Indy Car Racer, Connor Daily, and comedian Joey Molenaro. They're going to get us ready to go. Follow Speed Street so you never miss an episode and get ready for the greatest spectacle in racing, the Indianapolis 500. And moving on to AskDBC. Last week, I know Dale asked Connor and Joey what the most embarrassing moment they've had behind the wheel was. And

this week, it is our turn to ask Connor and Joey some questions celebrating the month of Speed Street. Freddie. Yeah, mine is strictly racing related. My birthday, this is for Connor, because I know this is one of his many talents at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway. My birthday is August 13th, which is the Saturday or Sunday of Indie Week when we're there. So I just need to know what bar he is renting out for me on my birthday. Like, where are we going? I know this is one of his, something that he has very familiar with in that town, I would assume. So where are we going and what time should I be there?

What bar do we end up in last year? We ended up in some, some, that place is closed down, unfortunately. I think it was. We went to some fun bars for your birthday. Taps and Dolls was the one that was upstairs. That was a disaster. I got a serious question, and I need a serious answer. Which race track is going to consume more fireball shots?

Charlotte Motor Speedway or Indianapolis Motor Speedway? Ooh. That's for Joey. That's probably a Joey question. And that's a Memorial Day. Nothing screams America like fireball. Yeah. Yeah. That's, yes.

I can think of a few other things. Yeah. Well, I think you mean firecracker ice pops, but it's close. enough to fireball. TJ, what's your question? I think I would want Connor to explain what it's like in detail going around

Annapolis Motor Speedway that fast in very unprofessional terms. He said the other day that they're expecting, we were in that Twitter spaces and he jumped in there with us and we're talking about the downforce package they're running this year. He's expecting the qualifying

to be about 234 miles an hour. That's all? That's it. I want to know what that's like. Like when you're on edge, like I want you to describe it like, we're sitting at a bar and what you would say, 230.

That's ridiculous. Four. Crazy. Jesse told down here that he was scared to to be a sprint car. Like how are you not scared to be able to qualify in Indianapolis? Yeah. Isn't a,

isn't Larson going to run that? Next year. Next year, yeah. They'll probably do in like 237. The thing about it is, the thing that gets me about Indy is, like it's obviously if you've seen,

seen a picture in Indianapolis motor speedway. It's essentially looks like a square, you know? So like you're driving down this straightaway at God, I mean they don't really slow down much. You're going 2.30, 2.40. And you're just staring at a wall because it's basically a 90 degree turn. So they're insane. Like Joey's insane on his own terms.

Connor's insane for getting in a race car. And he probably rival Joey pretty much in some other forms. But would you get behind them and actually ride shotgun with them if you could at 2.30. No, not a chance. That's probably a ride-along that I'm not doing. Yeah. Even if Mario Andrade he was driving.

Well, now Mario, because Mario probably don't go two-thirty. Now I'm talking about full ball. I'm not talking about a parade car. I'm talking about like, get it. Nope. Yeah, I'm probably not doing it. I'm out. I'm out.

I'm out. I'm like, you know who I am on that scenario? Bernard Pollard. It's not a chance. I'm doing it. I'm out of that. Yeah. Use hashtag AskDBC to ask us some more questions.

Really good ones this week. This first one is from Katie or Caddy. I'm really sorry if you got that wrong. There's not two D's Katie. It's Katie. C-A-D-Y is not caddy. Say water.

Water. Thoughts on the possibility of Carl Edwards returning to cup racing and if that happened, who would he drive for? I think it's slim to none on the possibility.

I think it's none. I think it's, I mean, if he does, I mean, he could probably go wherever the hell he wanted. Trackhouse might have a car available. You've got to look at teams don't have four charters

or so trackhouse, 2311, place like that, but I don't think, I saw a lot of, a lot of praise for him in the book. Yeah, I don't know. I didn't obviously listen to any of it. He did mention a few times about how he misses it and wants to get back in the simulator. So, you know, it kind of gave people hope. Not that we think that it will happen, but you could tell he misses it, which is nice. Oh, next one is from Joe.

You have a few truck races on your, oh, wait, sorry, do you want to skip that one? Yeah, because we covered that at the top. Okay, cut that one out. Did you have another one that you want to add? Yeah, it's right below. You texted me saying that you have another one. Yeah, because it's right there. There's three of them on there.

Damn. Okay, well, this last one is from Ricky. Next, you're going to hear, cut that out. We're not cutting that out. No, I don't care. He literally, I'll show you the text messages. He implied that he added, he implied that he added another one. Slid right in, right in.

This next one is from Ricky. Stealing this one from Gluck, 12 questions. Have you or is there anyone you have been Starstruck Over? And I'm assuming this is for Jesse. Yeah, probably. I mean, the only guy I've ever really been in all of is just when I first met Kyle, like at a sprint car race or a midger race or something. He wore us the hell out.

And that was like the first time. I met him. He was my teammate with Keith. You're how old? Probably 13. Yeah. Yeah. I was just like, wow.

I was a young man. young buck still am but that was pretty cool to us to meet him and that was probably the only time ever been star struck that time freddie brought brett too that was pretty much i was going to say that time freddie brought mj over for you to meet i mean that would be cool that's i was going to say but i was only star truck when i met my owner danny yeah that time and then that time you bailed on brett when you were hanging out hey didn't even tell him let me ask you a question how long have you known bret uh how many times have you seen brett in the garage The fact that Michael was in the garage kind of canceled Brett out from ever meeting him

because I knew he was never coming down there, especially at Rockins Glen when his spotter stand is two miles away. I think my favorite is I'll text to you guys every time I'm giving a chore and I say who's in the infield and the only people potentially, really it's Freddie. T.J. on the occasion. Brett is probably somewhere in this car. I'm only there now because I have to be. If there wasn't a meeting, I'm just not.

I'm usually in there and get myself and get what I need and talk to the people I need to and get out. Does Northwestboro have a tunnel? No, sir. Well, you won't see me in the infield this weekend either. I mean, if they had a tunnel, we wouldn't see you again. What if you win? I'll be inside.

I'll climb the fence. Have you been Starstruck? Have I been Starstruck? Probably when I met Bon Jovi in Indianapolis. Elliot and I were on the Bon Jovi tour. We went to three shows that summer, and we were on the front row at Indianapolis, and they literally pulled up. It was a live nation tour deal, and we knew some.

some folks who worked there, and they pulled up two seats and put us on the front row. So it's me and Elliot and tons of Bon Jovi fans. Well, the head of security was a big NASCAR fan. And he walked up and he's like, hey, when we leave here, we're going to this hotel downtown Indianapolis. We've got the whole bar bra bought out. We're going to go in here and have some drinks. Do you know who Bon Jovi is, Jesse? Yeah, my dad listens to him. Okay, good. My grandfather listens. I just want to make sure, because I wasn't real sure you knew who Carl Edwards was when they brought that name up. So I was like, man, this is going to be cool. Well, next thing you know, Elliot's wearing a a Superman shirt, which at the time Bon Jovi has, and I'm sure still has, a Superman tattoo.

And Elliot takes his shirt off. And he's shaking his shirt up at the stage. They're singing, living on a prayer. And Elliot's living on a prayer. So the show ends. We jump in a car, and they take us downtown. And, dude, Bon Jovi walks in. I'm like, holy cow, this is freaking Bon Jovi.

Like, slippery wind wet, listen to it on cassette tape in my little jambox growing up. And first thing, Bon Jovi says, is, holy shit, man, you're that guy who had your shirt off in the middle of the show. He remembered it. So then he looks at me and he goes, hey, man, I'm Johnny. And I was like, uh, uh, I'm Brett. Yeah, that's my shirt on. Yeah, I'm, yeah, I was, but no, man, that's probably the only real time.

I mean, I definitely, Gwen Stefani. When you were moonwalking in front of Gwen? Oh, that was fun. I think that was the only time. And I mean, we're all lucky. We get to be around a lot of really cool hyper. profile people, you know, and for the most part, they've all been really nice. But yeah, you're going to eventually meet somebody, Jesse, that you think a lot of,

and you're going to think they're awesome and they're not. And I ain't going to say who it was, but we were at Daytona Beach, Florida, a huge concert. I was a huge fan of this guy. He thinks his tractor's sexy, and he's a... He's not nice. I'm sure a lot of people seem to seem about you. That was my Starstruck moment. Who is that?

Adrina Partridge. Who's that? She was on that show The Hills. Yeah, we were... Bar's pretty low for you, huh? She was so hot. I've never even heard of her. Yeah.

So... My favorite growing up was that saved by the bell girl. Which one? Lisa Milano, but she's bat-hick crazy now. She wasn't on Saved by the Bell. I think you got some names mixed up. Yeah, I don't think she was on saved by the Bell.

That was... Amber. Yeah, Tiffany. Amber Sheeson. Not that curly-headed girl now. That's Jesse Spano. Yeah. Yeah.

That's Jesse. Oh, Kelly. Well, who the hell was Alyssa Milano? What was she on? Who's the boss? Yes. Yeah. She was in who.

Yeah. She was hot, though, too. Yeah. I told. She's not as hot as Kelly on saved by the bill. What was her name? Who? The Kelly girl.

Tiffany. Tiffany. Well, I want to meet her. That's okay. Well, she's probably fat and 50 like me now. No, she's not. She actually looks really good. Does she?

Yeah. Okay. I told, uh, I told this girl. We were currently changing my wooden idiot. To Brett. I told this girl at a party in Hollywood we were there for, um, forget why we were there,

but like Hollywood, California. Oh yeah. No, Florida. Yeah, Hollywood, Florida. That's what I thought he meant. We were out there. You're doing Hollywood, California.

Me and, um, me and Brad flew with, with Dale Jr. Because Brad wanted to go test drive a Tesla. This is right when they first come out. So we flew there, went and test, test, to come back and we're at this party that night.

a industry party because there was um monica was there and audrina was there and i'm like sitting there talking about i'm like god that girl she's like man she looks good and brad's like oh yeah he's like hey she walks her there and he's like hey my friend likes you and i'm like uh and i you know what are you in middle school stall down you know no i told her i said look at you with all them curds me with no breaks oh i hope you did not say that i did say that to her It was really bad. How'd that go? Apparently it didn't work out.

Great pickup line. Everybody listens is going to use that one this week. I hope you do. I mean, if you don't want it to work out. The success rate is zero percent right now. Jesse, do you have a girlfriend? I do. Okay.

Well, good. Don't tell her that. Don't tell her that line. Maybe that's how you got her. I don't know. Oh, boy. Well, that's a perfect segue into one idiot. Jesse.

Actually is. That's true. I think you're worse to me. You just said Alyssa Milano from Save By the Bell. We all know that she was. What an idiot. Jesse, who is your one idiot this week? It's kind of easy to pick Ross, obviously.

I feel that's really low-hanging fruit, though, but either Ross or... Was that a... Did you mean to say, I mean, that is a fruit, right? I mean... But at the end of the day, that's a good point. At the end of the day, I mean, the other thing that's annoying, too, is like, I don't understand when I might need clarification on this, but if somebody jumps to restart,

how easy is it to tell just by looking at SMT data? Should be very easy. So why are we letting people jump restarts? I don't know. Who fired first? Yeah. I didn't see it. So I didn't go back as far enough to look at that,

but I heard, like, I've seen Twitter blow up that Ross jumped to restart on Kyle. Is that what was? And close to the SMT proved it. Yeah. That one. So like, when I say SMT isn't accurate, I'm talking about like the position,

the animation of it. Like the animation of his kind of, kind of like you look like you've seen numerous times like I've watched the thing and we're running outside the backstretch wall you know like it's just like so the GPS is 100 but the data of it is yeah 100% spot on so you get if you line it up right you can see which one of them hit the throttle first so it should be clear as day black and white who another way it's both ross inflicted yeah oh yeah so either way you're just going yeah awesome do that ready um so mine is I don't I don't exactly know who to give it to somebody screwed up here and I can't figure

out if it was the 41 team or if it was the control tower. But going into turn three was the first time I heard it coming to the choose. They said 41 penalty, well, something for I don't even know what penalty was four. And I could not tell if they said 41 or 31. So I'm assuming, and I confirmed this with Bob because Bob said he didn't tweet it because he couldn't tell if they said 41 or 31. But it was a penalty. And they said, you know, drop to the tail before the choose. Well, we choose and I they never mentioned it again so I'm like oh maybe sometimes they rescind the penalty and we don't they don't hear about it so we go through the whole choose the 41 was right behind us I think or right no he was right in front of us so we he chooses one way we go the opposite

way we go around one and two and the middle of the backstch they say 41 you're a penalty car you got to get out of there so now you've let him choose on a green white checker order I think there's maybe five to go let him choose and then pull him out of the lineup and just move that entire line forward instead of re-chusing. Like, I get it, you don't want to waste laps, but if that's the case, you've got to do a better job. If you call that 41 a penalty in turn three, you better stay on him and make sure he doesn't affect the choose because now Harrison Burton was the one that showed, like that slid up into his spot. And we had to pass him on the green white checker because of the rest of the runs, all them cautions. Because he restarted in

front of us and we go back to timing lines. He was restarting in front of us all of them off of a bogus call by NASCAR or the 41 not adhering to a rule, but I don't really blame the 41 because I couldn't tell clearly if it was the 41 or the 31 that got called out. So I'm and you never voluntarily just going to go, hey, was it me that you wanted to go to the back or like, that's not going to happen. So you've got to make it clear as day and make sure it's done before the choose because you ended up screwing up basically the second half of the field who we all based, we all choose based on where everybody in front of us goes. And now if you just, if I'm choosing based off of where the 41 goes and then you

remove the 41 from the equation afterwards, like that's unacceptable. Brett, or actually, TJ, what are you looking at right now? SMT? Is that your one idiot as well? No. I mean, I feel like we got to, we can't all have the same one. So I got to go with the bonsai moving to three in the Xfinney race. That was, that's great if you make it work.

But Sheldon Creed. Yeah. You got to make a work. I mean, he was, how close was he to making a work? No, he was not making that work. I was not. I'm just saying maybe. No.

I said maybe. My one idiot was going to be you two for last week for not pointing out the fact that Brandon McReynolds spots for Ross and manages no one because I would have wanted to know which side Brandon was on in the middle of the match. I wish he was down there. But since Freddie brought that up, then it was going to be Haley Degans, crew chief, for leaving her out there on old tires because we've not seen anybody do anything that dumb since they did it. The 11 did it too. Yeah, the 11 did it.

Yeah. He was on older tires. I was like, what happened? I mean, it's just. I can't leave you're calling out your boy. Who is it? Rich. That's Rich.

Rich, what the fuck are you doing? You're smarter than that. My God. I had seen anything this dumb since they did it to Cole Whit at Homestead. Rich, I still love you. but you aren't an idiot. But my last one is going to be, I just got a text message

from our good friend Joel Edmonds. Oh, God. And Joel, he had an eventful weekend, it sounds like he got fussed at, and then he had go pee. And anyway, but this has nothing to do with that. But good friend Joel sent me a picture of where it appears the spotter stand location

is from North Wilkesboro. It appears that's not in an ideal spot for spotters. It doesn't matter where it's located. The height of it's going to be the problem. That's what I mean. It sounds like it's too low. It sounds like there are grandstand seats available that are higher than the spotter stand.

Is that accurate? Yes. Okay. Well, how many cars are in the open? Do we know that answer, Andrew? How many guys are locked into the All-Star race? Probably 20. 18-20, I would say.

Yeah, so I'm in the open race, and I know you guys like to get up there, mark your spots. Just make sure I got some of the stand. No, T.J's got a plan. Oh, what's his plan? No, I mean, I'm working on it. We're working on a plan. I need to get it done like today, by tomorrow, probably. Is there room enough for how many people can stand on the spotter stand?

I don't know about the room. I'm just working on. They're supposed to be adding. Yeah. So what is your plan? I'd like to hear. No, just figuring out, like, stopping the supposedly, like, last week guys that aren't even, don't spot in the Cup series go up there and mark everything off.

So that's just a right. I mean. Well, there's a very easy fix to that. Well, you realize. We had it fixed years ago. We're working on that. We had it fixed years ago until some of the motorhome drivers who spot get there four days before everybody else.

So are they no PR people at the racetrack, and the PR people at the racetrack even go mark their spots off. All you got to do is pick your spot based on where you qualify. But does he cheat since, I mean, he'll be here, be there what? Tomorrow? He'll be there Tuesday. Yeah. How do you cheat when it's already done?

You know what I mean? All you got to do is pick based on qualifying. Easy fix. We got a better, we got a better system than that, I think. What's your system? I've asked you three times. Based on seniority. Yeah, like you got how many years, how many years have you spotted?

Cup full time. I mean, technically, take away a few. 24, probably, 23, I don't know. So if you have 23 years spotting cup, you get 23, it's like the NBA, you get 23 balls in the pool. And, you know, guys that have one, have one in there, but they still have a chance. You know what I mean? Like, that's the

most fair way of... So who are you talking to you to make this happen? Just asking the group. We just do ourselves. Like, nobody tells us where to stand on the roof, so we just do it a month. We're just trying to prevent the getting there on a Monday or the week before process. I'm going to be there Tuesday. I mean, I'm going to be there tomorrow. So if I really want it to, I can mark off the whole

spot. Well, you can only take what's our, hasn't been marked off yet already. You know what I mean? But why? Like, it's just dumb, but we're working on a way to... I think you just pick by this to worry qualify every week. It's fair. If you, if your car sucks, and I don't mean anything by this, but if you, if I've been there 25 years and I spot for B.J. McLeod, I shouldn't have the best spot on the

spotter stand. So you're saying you want to redo all the spots? I'm saying, if it's, listen, there's very few places on the, on the road where we have a problem. Do you agree with that? This is news. This is This is for like new stands only. We're not doing this every week. I mean, the Talladega new stand was somewhat of a problem. It's too damn little.

Yeah, it's too narrow. It is too narrow. It's way too little. It's high enough. It's high enough. Well, is it? Well, yeah. I mean, it's better than it was.

It's better than it was. Anyway, when you go to a new place, when you go somewhere where it's not quote established, then I think you should just pick on where you qualify. Speed wins. The derby, will you go to the snowball derby? You line out. You stand in your car number. Yeah.

That's it. Car number one. unless you're Herm, Herm decided, Herm somehow finagled his way to the front row. He got him to flip it this year because he's always the 91 Majesky, and he was always like the back far right corner. This year, all of a sudden we get there, and he's... I tell him to put a little negative sign in front of my, like negative 91.

That's lower than one. That's what I told Krause. I said, we're going to change our number to double zero for the rest of our lives here. Negative double zero. What do you think about North Wilkesboro, Jesse? What do you think about us going back there? I know you're obviously young. We've not raced there in your lifetime.

What do you think? Yeah, it's obviously way before my time, but I'm, I've always found the history of sport to be really cool, and I love that part of, you know, these podcasts and Dale Jr.'s deal and all that stuff, just to learn about it. And I think Northwell Explorer is good for the sport. Obviously, it kind of, you know, captures, everybody says they want what it used to be. Well, I mean, kind of here you go as far as racetrack and vibes go.

You know, they did a good job preserving the surface of it to where it's not, you know, completely repaved. but I think it's good. I don't see why it would be bad. I guess there's going to be a lot of fall off, which is good, and I think it should put on a pretty good race, and hopefully it can be a place that they can actually continue to go back to. But all in all, I don't see any reason why it wouldn't be great. But how does it, as a driver, but also, you know, as a crew chief for a team, how do you prepare for a race that has never really happened in that long? I mean, there's certain things that you just go do, right? Like for Kansas, right, my prep. never been to a mile and a half, but until then, and I just did the tier Dism for, you know, a few hours, and then you just kind of show up and you just do it, right? You can't really overthink it, especially at a place like North Wilkesboro. You're going to watch your film to know how it moves around if there's a different lane here or there. But at the end of the day,

like that's just a place where you just have to kind of let your natural ability do the talk in as far as your speed and make the right decisions on the racetrack. So, Luckily, that's a place with enough character to make it challenging where you do need to watch some film, but it's such a short track that there's not a whole lot to it like you would see at a plate track where when I went to Talladega, like I was on the roof every day at Daytona as well, learning about how to time passes and things like that. That preps a lot harder than it will be for guys going north of Wilkesboro. I think the coolest part about it is, man, you look at racing reference.com, and the last year they went there was 1996. and the last winter was Jeff Gordon

and you get to scroll through the names and you get to see the Mark Martins, the Brett Bowdines, the Dale Earnhardt, the Darrell Walter, somebody looked, 1979 was the first year I went, I was four years old, and Benny Parsons won the race. Like, it's, when you talk about going back in time, I feel like that's literally what we're doing.

And Freddie and I had a chance to speak with Marcus and his son Graham a few weeks ago, a month or so ago. I know we told you all a little bit about it. Like, they're pumped up to get NASCAR back there. NASCAR's pumped up to go there. I don't know a person. in the garage that's not excited about going to this race. I would be willing to bet that given the amount of seats they have available,

I think it's like 25,000. I bet you've got people coming from all 50 states to this thing. Like, I definitely think you're going to get a lot of local support out of the old-timers, people like myself that grew up going there. But I think you've got people coming from all over the country spending a mint because these tickets are expensive because there's so few. Parking is expensive because there's nowhere to park. There's no hotel.

No hotels. Moorsville, North Carolina, the Hampton Inn is sold out, which is located by Big Al's. Great spot if you guys want to go grab a beer somewhere. That's big if this is sound like. Yeah. It's big. Yeah. I mean, but there's nowhere.

I mean, and here, you know, when I grew up, there were two things in that part of the country. It was North Wilkesboro, the racetrack and Lowe's. That's where Lowe's headquarters was, was in Wilkesboro forever before they moved it to actually this area. But as a fan, as somebody who loves the history of the sport, it doesn't get any better than this. this is the pinnacle moment for where we are in time for Bruton Smith to go in and close this place down and give another track of date. And back then they were running there twice a year

and he completely just shut it down and we've driven by it on our way to Boone North Carolina or on our way to wherever. Like it's going to be a true nostalgic moment for the sport. 100%. I think what's really cool is, I mean, it's always my favorite is the Pit crew challenge. I think the pit crew members and crew guys

really are, they're underappreciated to some extent, and this will give them the opportunity to show what they can do. We see, I mean, at least internally, a lot of us see how pit crew members are ranked, and I don't think that's publicized as much, but this gives them that time to shine, too. Well, they get to go out and win some money, too, man. I mean, if you go out there and win the Pick Crew Challenge, obviously that pays well. But no, I mean, there's a lot of times where we knew who the best tire man, our tire changer was in the sport.

We knew who the best Jackman was. We knew who the most, you know, efficient fuel guy was. I mean, when I got here, Billy Wilburn was a tire changer and also a World of Outlaw driver. And now he's a crew chief still or a truck crew chief. Truck crew chief. Yeah. Hey, listen to me, man, this dude was the baddest tire changer in a world. He would race on Saturday night.

They'd fly him in and Sunday. He'd run around the car and he probably was paying for a lot of his World of Outlaw racing through his pit crew money. Because, man, he was a sprint car driver? Yeah. Yeah. He was making big. money as a pit crew guy because he was the fastest guy to get around the tire and hit five lug nuts on five lug nuts off and so no case you to your point like those guys have a very unique job um very specialized and trained now and and they definitely deserve an opportunity to showcase it because they get they get to showcase it every week but now it's all about you and but we need it's it's cool i mean i saw landing yesterday hugging and land as a fuel guy um for william byron like we need those personalities to be known i think that's what makes the sport.

He's got a great voice too. More popular. He can sing. I think, too, I mean, looking at the schedule, I feel like Marcus and SMI, they've done done a great job of building out the schedule to go back to those routes. You have the late model races with a ton of star drivers out there, too, to give that sport a shot at some coverage. And, I mean, this whole week, this whole week is pretty full, which should be fun.

I have to digress for one second because I forgot about a request for what an idiot this week. Wendy. I took only one request because Wendy does so much for us, Wendy from Junior Motorsports. They, Wendy dropped off, what, about 500 cars each for us to sign? Please tell me it's Brett. No, it's not Brett. So I left, I had to leave town that week, the week we got them.

And I went to Indy. So on my way out the door to Indy, and to preface this, the packages came one big box and inside of the big box was smaller individual box. is with, I don't even know, five or six cars in them. Johnson Kraft. So I said, I asked my brother, I said, hey, I'm going to be gone all week. I want to get these done before I leave to go to wherever race, Kansas. I said, can you do me a favor?

Unpack these cars, lay them on this table so I can sign them when I get home and then I'll pack them up that night and have them for the podcast on Monday before I leave for Kansas. I said, whatever you do, they have to be packaged back up the way that they were, you know, the way they come out. so I get home from Indy and I go to sign them and I realize that there's no little boxes. I can't find them. I said, John, what did you do with the smaller boxes? He's like, oh, well, they were a lot easier to get out of the car, out of the box when I ripped the side of the box off.

So I just did that. And I said, I guess you forgot that I said we needed the same. So then poor Wendy now has, I don't even know, 40 boxes on the way from Racing USA that she's got to repackage everything. So she asked me kindly to just make sure I call John Wood an idiot for the rest of the season, I think. So Wendy, here you go. Why don't you just have John come over and package them? I think she already did it. I offered to come.

I said I can come help or something, but I think she's already got it done. If not, I'll do it. That doesn't fine by me, but or John can do it. But yeah, John, as normal, John could be an idiot. So racing all weekend all week in North Westboro. What's this cup race going to be like? What do we expect? but man, hopefully it's good.

You know, it's going to be what you want. Tireware. I don't know. I see, I know the trucks were like three seconds of fall off over 30 laps or something like that. I think that's enough to make it a good race. I think if we had that in Martinsville, I don't think we would have the issues that we had.

It's still, like I say that, and I agree with you. I worry. I still worry about it. We still seen this week, we had a lot of tire wear, tire fall off, and it was hard to pass. Yeah, but you're not going as fast. Which cup drivers are best right now, saving tires? I can't tell you, because I'm a lot.

Kevin Harvick, probably, in my opinion. I think Harvick, I don't, Harvick's just smooth, man. He's one or two spots a run. He'll just take what's given. That's how he got up there. Then. How poor this error are going to be here?

That's what that. That's my question. Hopefully not very, but I bet it is. You wouldn't think it wasn't Martin'sville either, but. Yeah. I just don't want to happen like where they're shifting a ton and then they just squirt off the corner. That's what's going to happen. Because that's going to be hard to pass and you're just squirting off the corner

until you're trying to race to him. But the more, I feel like the more, you downshift, the more wheel spin you're going to create. And you might not, you're obviously going to, with wheels, you're going to abuse your tires. I'm saying if Martin's was super abrasive or the tire went away, because we used to spend the tires all the way to the flag stand in Martinsville. I was talking with wheels about this. And obviously, we don't have the horsepower we have. But with them downshifting, they have, they have as much or more torque than they've ever had in Martinsville. And it's a bigger tire, though. Yeah, I know. I'm just, I'm just saying like,

when you downshift, you're creating more wheel span. You know, the more torque off the corner is going to, it's going to hinder your ability to save tires. So I don't know that you want to be dropping gears. But when there has a speed slowdown, you're going to have to. I just hope there's a finesse to it. Like there is a guy that you can see, okay, well, like, honestly, like Dell Jr. and a late mall race there,

we started good for back to like 10th. And then he ended up driving all the way back to third. There was a, you know, we weren't going to run the leader down because we had to drive through so many guys. but it was nice to be able to see somebody save tires purposely and drive past guys. So that's what I'm hoping for. Truck Series has only run two races there, 95, 96. Winners were Mike Bliss and Mark Martin.

Mike Bliss, shout out to CB Industries, Mike Bliss. That's where he's at these days. Listen to these last Xfinity Series racers. I know the Xfinity series isn't there this weekend. I wish they were. 83, 84, 85. Tommy Ellis, Sam, R. Jack Ingram. Heck, yeah.

Who's who of the Tommy Ellis to ever do it. Yeah. 57 car, right? Tommy else was 57, wasn't he? You look back at the cup start, though, man. Darrell Walter rattled off like six in a row. Terry Labani, a ton of wins. It's just so nostalgic to go back and look at that, man.

I hope this opens the door. I got practice at 4 o'clock on Friday. What time do I need to be there? You better be there at 1. 6.30 a.m. Is that bad? I know Parkins would be bad, but. Listen, if I get to seriously, if practices at 4, what time do I need to be there?

literally I have no idea where I'm going to park yet like none I have not seen where the team parking is I know there's I'm assuming there's not a spot What about Sunday? Sunday's race is All-Star Open is at 530 So I need to get there at 530 in the morning I don't know I can't tell you like this

And this is for the fans too like You know what's coming I don't want to see complaints about traffic There's two roads in and out of there Like you got to you got a second sacrifice it. Let's just hope the show is good. We don't want to talk about the traffic.

Yeah, but like. And they've already promoted traffic patterns. They've already done a great job. Go early. Go there, hang out. I'm asking y'all what time I need to go. Y'all ain't even tell me.

Dude, I have no, I can't tell you because I don't know. Like, if I knew I had a parking spot, I would go whenever. But like, I'm going to have to go tomorrow at like, I have no idea on time practices. I'm going to have to get up at like 7, 8 o'clock in the morning and drive up there because I have no idea where we're parking.

Like, I think if you're going to go. I would be there by one. You got to be there by noon 1 o'clock. Like just to know that I'm there. Here's a plan. Freddie will get there in the morning. He will send you pictures. He will let you know what you are.

Well, hopefully last time I was there, the phone's in work. They get a Harley. Just ride your bike. Yeah, that's what I need a dirt bike. I can just get on the side of the road. Yeah, just get a bicycle. I haven't liked your bicycle. I got a fold up one.

Just ride that up. Imagine Brett. Oh. Okay. We are way off topic here. Let's move on to TVC kicks. We're trying to help people figure out how they're going to get there. By talking about you on the bicycle.

Leave early. That's all I can tell you is leave early. Give yourself plenty of time so that you're not complaining that traffic caused you to miss the start of the race. That is for you, Brett. Racing starts tomorrow. Tomorrow. ASA race. Super late models.

Then cars, pro-lay model and late model stock race on Wednesday. Thank God there's a day off on Friday because I can take a day off. Well, Friday's only got practice. No, Thursday. I'm sorry. Thursday day off Friday. You're not off Friday. And I think I saw Friday the open cars and cup cars are the all-star cars are all practice.

Same time. And then you guys are running heat races? Saturday. Saturday after the truck race. Wow. That'll set the tone. Great format. Do you run heat?

Ope cars. Oaken does not run heat race. So they just go off a pit stops? I think they just qualify. I don't know. I think it's just pit stop. I don't think there is qualifying. I don't know.

I read a little bit. I know there's not qualifying for the All-Star race. I just except for the heat races. Yeah. I would assume you just line up off pit stops. Oh, it's going to be fun. Jesse, you got a busy week. These guys got it.

I'm going to Florida. Are you racing? Are you racing anything this week? Yeah, Millbridge, and then I leave the next morning. You're not running to Wilkesboro. No. Yeah. I go to a sugar cane farm tomorrow in Fort Lauderdale.

Oh, that's where I'm from. And then I go a sweet corn farm. Maybe you'll get sweet. But I don't land on Friday morning. That's what I'm trying to figure out. Well, you better go straight there from Friday morning. All right. DBC picks.

T.J. One with William Byron. Congrats. We are picking for Wilkesboro. Well, I was trying to get Jesse to tell me who he thought was going to say tires best. He said Kevin Harvick. And I like Kevin Harvick as a pick, but I don't know how much speed those fords are going to have.

It makes me nervous. So I'm going to go with the guy that's the fastest guy in the field. And if he burns his up, he just burns it up. Kyle Larson. I would not answer your question because I was 100% picking Kevin Harvick. And Jesse hit the nail on the head. I think he is the best. We've seen it for years at places like Atlanta.

You know, he is the king of taking care of his stuff and making it work. So I'm taking Kevin Harvick. Freddie and I both suck, by the way. We can pick whoever, right? I'm sorry, Harve. I'm sorry. Rodney, I apologize. You're not going to finish this. This is open for everything.

Yeah, this is open for everything. And this is not a, it doesn't cost you anything. Oh, okay. All right. I'm picking Joey because my, our social guy pointed out that he always ends up winning at new tracks. So, Joey, you're my guy. You're my guy. Your social guy don't have a name.

Brian Mapes. Mapes. I mean, I've said a. Social guy. You're being a T.J right now. Social guy. A kid over there to corner. Kid in the corner.

TJ. TJ. I am going to go with, man, I think he's due this year. He's been hot a couple times. Ross Chastey. You know what? I'm going to go with, I'm going to go with Denny. That would have been my sense.

Jesse, who would you pick? I'd pick Harvick. I mean, that's smart, man. It would be great. Martin Tricks. Speaking of a same entire. Speaking of Denny, you brought up one other thing that was funny as heck, the scoreboard and the lead changes comment that was pretty funny i don't know if anybody saw that but

then he had a pretty good comeback to that what um what's the amount of lapse in the last stage for the all-star couldn't even tell you yeah i don't look at it up hold on i just drew harring while you're looking at up drew harring sent me a text just now as we're finishing up and he wanted to remind me that i don't i hope it was clint i'm going to give it to clint uh one idiot times two again this was back-to-back weeks for him because we're getting ready to do our pit road run and TV starts interviewing Truex and we switch lights on pit road at Darlington

because you're in a corner for the first I don't know seven or eight pit stalls and then you come straight you know you get strained out go the straightaway so you run different lights because they measure like around the bottom and they couldn't change their lights because Martin's talking to Clint on the radio so Drew can't tell them where to change lights

and we ended up passing them on the pit road roll so it screwed up their first couple segments of the whole pit road rules. I thought that was funny. Drew was freaking out the whole time, it seemed like. But yeah, so while you got a case. Yeah, I'll start. Oh, sorry.

I actually don't have it. I think it's a 100 lap round to finish it. Ooh, that's a bunch. I'm pretty sure it's just the race is 200 laps split into two even sections where it's a 100 to start competition caution around that time, then you get 100 to finish. Which is enough.

Like, that's good because you'll have to hopefully manage your stuff. Yeah. How many sets do you get tires? I think just, I just, I think you get to put one at. That's good. That's how it should be. Oh, yeah. Oh, wow.

I think it's like not, you know, I think you get the first hunter, then you put tires on, you go another hunter. So you're only laying on one set. I think so. I hope so. I'm sure you have another set laying for a flat, but probably don't get to just. I hope it's like you can't change. Well, I mean, I guess you could change.

Well, if there's, like if there's got to be more to one set. Should teams be able to run whatever they brung this weekend? What do you mean? Yes. Just like you tell you talk about. No tech. No tech. safety tech and that's it.

I mean, you gotta. Why not? Who cares? Look at this driver light up. Let it eat. Run what you brown. Have one of them big wings

like they run it at Midwest. Like the like, I forget what track that is where they run like to try to run the fastest lap. I want to say yes because I think it'd be fun. But the,

the amount of money that they would start spending a million dollars just to run this. You spend 10 million to win one. Who gets the fan vote? You're still buying the body from a spot. I don't.

I, I, um, the fan load, who's the most popular guy not in it? I don't know. Like, Noah comes to mind right away. I'm going to tell you, if Noah goes down there at Kansas swings first, he's probably winning the fans. Noah, Noah hurt his chances at the fan vote because of what happening. Yes.

I think. Really? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Who else? I don't know who's not in it. You went down there to solve the problem and then you. The, the best thing ever was, was it last year?

No. Yeah. Last year. The, oh, they run the open. and I'm standing next to Brett and Brett was not going to make the race. So like with the lap or two to go, he starts getting himself in position

to high tail it for the plane and checker flag falls. Brett radios go instantly in his bag, headset down. I'm on my phone just fucking off. Next one I go, damn, Brett, you won the fan vote. And the look he gave me

looked like I just like looked like John killed his other hamster. Like he's like, I was like, I'm just kidding. To my knowledge, it did freak me out momentary. I was like, fuck off, this better not be true. But to my knowledge, and this could be wrong, Michael Waldrop came out of the open and went on to win the All-Star Race.

Casey Kane won the fan vote and went on to win the All-Star Race. There's no way in hell. Somebody is coming out of this open and going to win this race, because they're going to get them heat races a night before and they're going to know more than you know. And I realize you're going to say, oh, well, they get to race right before the race. No, no, no, no, no.

It ain't going to be the same. So I think that, look, it's cool to win the fan load. It's cool to get to transfer. But I don't see anybody with a chance of hell of coming out of this open and winning the All-Star. But they probably said the same thing about Michael that year. Somebody did it recently, too. I think he did in like 96.

Yeah. There's a chance, though. I mean, it's always going to be hard. I want to say maybe Larson. Somebody did it recently that came out of the open within like the last five or six years, but it was at Charlotte, I think. Sam Horace almost did it one year, didn't he? You're like the first guy to find about a skew.

So he brought a car that would come down to straightaway, Jesse, and it was yawed out like this coming out. I watched a video on that like that night. I keyed up, his first lap on track for practice, I keyed up to say the 77 is spinning in front of you. And I'm like, he's just crabbing. And they hammered that car. And I look the first person to figure it out, right? Yes, that whole, I mean, you're talking. full-blown skew mode.

Yeah. It was nuts. It was like two feet further to the right and the rear than it was. I remember seeing it coming out of four and I'm like, spin it. Yeah. That's awesome.

Yeah. But again, run with you brum. I love that. That's what I mean. I don't mean trick the body way out. Like, I mean, literally, let's get, let's let these guys have fun. They're in such tight box right now.

Kyle, I'm sorry, go ahead. Go ahead. No, you go ahead. Oh, I was just going to say, Kyle Larson's the only driver to have won the open in the All-Star race in 2019. Wow. 2019.

See, that wasn't that long ago. Charlotte. Yeah. Awesome. It's going to be a fun weekend. Thank you guys for listening. Jesse Love. Thanks for coming on the show today.

Quickly. Before we take off, I did get to want to say shout out. I met a young man named Wyatt, who I think knows Casey or Casey may know. He's from, get this. He tells me yesterday. I said, where are you guys from? He says, Greenwood, South Carolina. And I said, no shit.

Like we were just talking about my cousins, a football baseball coach down there. One of Brett's good friends plays at, was it Lander, or Lander College, I don't know. and I was like, I've never heard of that before. Brett told me, I thought he meant Greenville when he texted me the first time. And then they're like, no, we're from Greenwood. I said, that must be a booming metropolis because me and Brett were coming to visit. But so it was nice to meet them. They were awesome.

We got spent a couple minutes with them in the garage. And then I just wanted to give a shout out, or I shouldn't say shout out. Just thinking about the Whitlatch family, Dakota. I never had the pleasure of meeting Dakota. But I could tell just from the amount of support he got. I mean, I remember, I know I've seen him at the racetrack. I know he touched a lot of people in our sport, just the outpouring of support for them this week. Unfortunately, Dakota passed away.

So just thinking about them and keep a good thought for them. But yeah, we'll see everybody this week at North Wilkesboro. We out. See it. An all-new episode of Speed Street is out now. Be sure to hit subscribe wherever you listen to your podcast and never miss another Speed Street episode. Dirty Mo Media on YouTube, Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram. Dirty Mo!

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