Door Bumper Clear - 293. Charlotte: You Have To Make It Hurt

Episode Date: May 30, 2023

It took most of Monday to complete 900 miles of NASCAR action at Charlotte, and Door Bumper Clear is back to break down the action from the greatest weekend in motorsports. Brett Griffin, T.J. Majors and Freddie Kraft discuss the three crown jewel races in the Monaco GP, the Indianapolis 500 and the Coca-Cola 600.In Spot On, Spot Off, the guys break down running the start of the Xfinity race in the mist, the controversial one-lap shootout to decide the Indy 500, Bubba Wallace and Aric Almirola’s rain delay argument and Denny Hamlin calling Chase Elliott’s aggressive move a ‘tantrum’. Plus, the group discusses why Jimmie Johnson still races in one-off Cup races and receives a handful of reaction theatre calls breaking down the best moments of the weekend from the fans.  Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Let's pretend to start the show early and pretend to start it earlier. Casey's getting ready to walk in. You may pretend we're starting on time without her? Absolutely. Yes. Casey's basically late and she's pulling in and I took her parking spot by the door. So yeah, we're going to act like we're starting. Hurry up.

I'll just let you start talking. She might have drove down. She was going to park. Maybe she didn't do it. Oh, she's probably just taking forever to get her car. She's still parked right there? She made the spot right here. She'd start to walk in.

All right. All right. Let's go in the spot on, spot off. The NASCAR X-Fenio series race ran laps on Saturday night in the mist. You're a half hour late. Yeah, we started at noon. 12 o'clock. I just texted you to come in quietly when we saw your...

So much for that. She's eating something. What are you eating? Looks like a waffle. So you made a park and spot because I took yours? Yeah. All right. We have a story.

Yeah, you're not late. Oh, you're actually No, actually you're late. Hey man, Freddy's gave us. We got PTSD from Freddie. The following is a production of Dirty Mode Media. No one. Bumper.

Clear. Clear by two. Please really shallow entry. Bumper. Clear. Hey, everybody. I'm T.J. Major. Sparta the 6 cup of car, the 8x-fitting car, and the O2 truck this weekend.

Long weekend. It was a long weekend. Not for trucks. Bregerf and Spiter for Channel Smith when he runs the good old Cup Series car with Kyle Gracing. And Freddie, welcome back, man. Hey, yeah, Freddie. Freddy's alive.

I'm still kicking, still alive. Apologies to Artie. I should have probably maybe showed up last week. And the producers and Golden. I don't like you guys. I like Artie. The gray goose is over there. I mean, she was expecting you to be here.

I was actually worried about you. They were all like, no. There was reason to be worried about me. I promise you. So what happened? I might have slept in I told you I tweeted it

You said you blacked I did some We had to go out Like listen Brett only turned 60 once So he's the one that was sober on the show And you were the one of Lattern You called him sober on that show

I said Played it well But now I slept in I was tired And probably for the best He was tired He said I was probably for the best

Of all the fucking excuses He comes up with tired right here Live It's not an excuse I think if you know me well enough How long have you been rehearsing that I was tired. The best thing that happened to me that day was probably not coming to this podcast.

I was tired. I felt about 4 o'clock in the afternoon that I still didn't need to be here. So every other year. Every other year, Freddy goes missing. And that was just, it was his turn. I think it's been a couple years since that happened. That's what I'm saying. It's every other.

So what is this? 23, so 2025. What how old you, is that your 50th? When do you turn 50th? That would be 50th. Oh, fuck. What happened?

Well, what's the last thing you remember from that night? I just did my alarm. My phone was off, so my alarm didn't go. Hey, we are going back to Gateway. We are going back to St. Louis. Yeah. Oh, that's, hey, that might be beneficial. So did you turn your phone off or what happened?

I guess. I don't know. Something happened. My phone was off. No alarm. Woke up about 10, 30, 11 o'clock. Where? Mike Davis called me and he said, we were talking about a few things.

We got a bunch of fun projects we're working on behind the scenes. But anyway, he said, so what happened with Freddie? and I told him the story and he's like oh this one's almost better than the Columbia story we got to give him to tell us the story one day but obviously it's not going to be today because Freddie was tired. You know who we need on here who has a lot of stories like that?

You know what I'm talking about. Who? Hovis. Yeah. Oh God. Our buddy Hovis who just won the N.500. Is he still with Penske? Oh yeah. Yeah. He's won the 24 hour race. He's been part of everything. That's awesome. Yeah. Listen. I am still

Freddie Craft. I am now by the way, I don't know if you guys caught this last week. I am now an Emmy Award winning spotter. Are you? Just for the record. Oh, that show, yeah. That my two appearances on that Netflix documentary clearly. Is that what you were celebrating?

Clearly, no, I celebrate this dib a shit's birthday. But clearly put us over the top for that. But it was a spotter for Bubba Wallace, Chandler Smith, all the day yesterday. Wow. And night, I guess you could call it. And I also had the 20 truck, which was Matt Mills this week. What's up Casey? How is your waffle? It was great.

Was there syrup on it? No, there was peanut butter. Peanut butter? It's my breakfast and lunch. Oh, good work. Is it like a real waffle or is it like a healthy waffle? It's a healthy waffle. What's it made from?

Cardboard. No, it's made from whole green rice or something. That sounds so good. It could just say that it'll help you get fit and I'll eat it. So at this point, we're here. Meanwhile, Andrew's over here eating French fries and ranch dressing. You're talking about rice waffles and stuff. If you did triathlons, you could probably eat whatever the hell you want it also.

Did you tryathlons? Yeah. This isn't ranch. I don't know what I'm a picture is a triathlon leet. No, you do not look like a guy. That's what you call them people. Triathlon leeks. Oh, okay.

So you can run and swim. No, no, he skips to swim. pardoned on this. He just runs. That's why he wins. I'm not doing that. He actually rides his bike in the water. Could you imagine getting out of the water, Freddie?

Mine in your size and having to get on a bicycle and ride it wet? No. What's the order? Swim bike run. Swim bike run. That'd be miserable. I'd drown before I get back to the bites. I'm like walking in the bathroom after I get out of the pool.

Much of this getting on a bicycle. You actually dry off real fast. You guys look like the type of guy. would go to the beach and do those, like, photo shoots like the girls would do for Instagram. Freddy be down there laying out, like, you'd be down there getting the Spike Lee and things and stuff. I'll tell you what we don't ever have to worry about, Britt, is doing a triathlon. What about a Iron Man or something? Yeah, I think I'm going to skip them also.

I mean, you're not going to do what Tab's kid does? Can't do anything. No, American Ninja? Yeah. That kid would beat all the same. That kid's badass. I would. I would pay to see that.

He would. Anyway, did we have a race this week? Well, we had a few races. They're all the same day. They were greatest weekend in motor sports. Well, I guess the greatest day in mother sports. It was a little bit longer than I think we all anticipated. But what did you guys think overall?

I thought it was phenomenal. And a shout out to all the winners. Obviously, Max Verstappen put on a butt-whooping at Monaco. Blaney, Al-Guyer, who am I missing? Indy 500 winner, Joseph, New Garden. New Garden. Joseph. Good day to be Roger Penske yesterday and the day before.

win the Indy 500 and the Coke 600. It's a good day. That's probably true. And your man, Jesse Love. Oh, yeah. Jesse Love did win this week. Please announce him in the media center when he wins. Amanda, I think she's a winner.

Jesse Love. But it was a great weekend. I mean, if you're a race fan, it doesn't really get much better than that. Even the dirt world, man. I flipped on DirtVision the other night. I couldn't pick what to watch. A lot of good racing. Damn.

That Monaco race, the Monaco, race is perfect because you usually wake up. I went out on Saturday night and you wake up. I'm so shocked. That I woke up. Me too. And you know, you get up at 8 o'clock or whatever it is. I think it goes green 8, 39, 30, something like that. You turn it on and it's the perfect race to just fall right back to sleep because it's the most boring. What was it? Like 30 years since they've had a pass for the lead? Like something ridiculous like that. Can you imagine being an F1 fan and saying that this is the best racing in the world? I think even they would concede that that is. I mean. More of a spectacle than a race. According to that one guy, it's going to overtake. Yeah, Guntar. He's going to overtake everything in the U. Yeah, right.

That was an actual stat, though. We should run Monaco with the cup cars. I think it was 1996 was the last time they had a green flag pass for the lead. Like not pitch strategy, like on track, pass for the lead. Yeah. Yeah. But they're doing a great job of the first men in high school. I think it's more just about, it's not even about the, you know, side by side or pass like that.

It's just that track. It's more versed to track, you know, but it's still, it's not, it's like you said, it's boring after you watch three laps. I mean, it's intense, so when you ride them on board and see how close they're getting to the walls and stuff, but like, it's just not. The rain saved it a little bit because you can see how like on edge they were. And they did a good job building that up too. And Verstappen's out front by whatever, 15, 20 seconds.

Yeah, like four minutes. And he's still, you know, getting out of shape and it's still pushing as hard as he can. So that was interesting to watch. Max knows how to run it like an 8 out of 10. He is an 11 out of 10 every lap, and it's amazing to watch. But Indy 500 was good. Amazing. First half was kind of...

But I mean, that was... Second half, phenomenal. But it was cool to see even the fuel deal and how they let, you know, you lead. No, you lead. Or I want to lead. No, I want to lead. But it's fun to watch that go back forth. And some of them moves them guys make into one.

It's a... I mean, it's exciting. And the announcers they had did a great. job too. I thought NBC. Both of them series, their announcers are phenomenal. They are. Lee Diffey is borderline my favorite. Like, especially in the sport right now, like not going back to

history. They sang a song about that guy. Lee. Lee Diffey. Is you related to Joe? Yeah, they're from the same town. But them guys do a phenomenal job, especially them. I don't know how the Formula One guys think if you had your eyes closed, you think you're watching a hell of a race. And then there's nobody anywhere near

each other. VA supercars is the same way. Those guys, those guys are awesome. You're like, you would think they're four wide for the lead every corner. Tell me about the Cup series, though. Back up a minute. I think we just had four of the most exciting weeks

that we've had back to back to back to back to back in probably seven or eight years. You go back to the racing at Kansas, Darlington, we went to North Wilkesboro. Hell of a race last night at Charlotte. I don't know that we've had four weeks this good. in the last seven or eight years.

No, we're definitely trending in the right. Like just the on-track product. Obviously, Northwarksport's on-track wasn't the best, but the atmosphere around that place and the excitement leading up to that event was phenomenal. And then the racing has been great at Kansas, Darlington, yesterday. It's okay not to be three wide every single lap for the lead. It's okay to for some guy.

I'd actually prefer it. It's okay for some guy to be really good. They've out, they had a better setup than everybody one week. And the guy's phenomenal driver, so it's okay to have that happen once in a while. We've seen a guy get hit in the jaw. We've seen a guy get pushed. We've seen the guy get right reared. We've seen a ton of lead changes.

We've seen a ton of great racing in the Cup series. It's been a really long time since the car, the track and everything is performed as well as it has. Look, it still needs, we need the short track package to be completely different than what it is. But the nostalgia at North Wilkesboro was phenomenal. And again, I'll just, I'll pound my chest on this one. Best four weeks I remember in a long time.

It's been good. And, I mean, shout out to the crowds at pretty much every single race that I've seen so funny. Shout out to the people that were there yesterday. You know, I tweeted out something yes because I was sitting, I was parked out there like kind of in the fan area or around the fan area. And just the amount of people that were still there and coming back in, this is for the 11 o'clock Xfinity race. Then the crowd tripled probably for the cup race. You know, obviously it wasn't completely full.

People can't be there that long. But the amount of people that stayed there just went to show the passion. And then when I walked in, I walked in the gate on Monday morning for the Xfinity race, there's my. Marcus and Graham Smith standing at the main gate just shaking people's hands, taking pictures with everybody. Yeah. You know, just showing their appreciation for the fact that people stood in. And so just a great job by everybody kind of all around.

And shout out to SMI, all those you mentioned and Greg, I mean, the idea that they had or a fan mentioned, hey, what if we have a cup series ticket, cup race ticket? Can we come watch Xfinity Race and just fill those empty seats? I mean, that worked out so well. I feel like everyone was happy. A great day of racing. And they did it right. I'll tell you who I wouldn't want to be.

Any of them race directors up there dealing with that weather. Oh, man. That was pretty miserable. Yeah. It was, it was not. And you're like, no. And any, like, that's the worst weather, too. The mist that you can't see on the radar.

Like, the only complaint I had, and I addressed this with somebody from that side of it on Saturday night was like, you just, we go so long without hearing anything. Thank God. I think it was Marcus tweeted something on a Sunday night. leading into the 600 like you just like just give us your mindset right here because we went I mean even on our side of it we went three hours we got one update at like 1245 and then they can't like they pulled the plug or something like four o'clock or something I can't remember but it like we went three hours without any update on Sunday on no on Saturday uh yeah you know and I said you know

I said man you just I don't care what it is just say hey we're you know we're still a go just every hour every whatever it is just more for the fan just you know send something out for the fans. I don't know what they say on TV. If they give any updates on TV, but it's just, you know, just something to keep them either interested or going home,

but it was, that was tough. But I don't envy anybody in that position because you're trying to weigh out TV slots and obviously you're going to lose a lot of your audience if you're, if you have to postpone it at it at all. And you're trying to predict the weather as well.

Yeah. And you see, like we saw it all day on Saturday was the radar was clearing up and it never stopped raining. You know, it was just a heavy mist, light rain. We kind of saw the same thing on Sunday. The amount of people that were walking in Sunday in the rain, I couldn't believe it. I thought there was, I thought that we were going to start.

I thought there was a race was going to start or something. There was so many people there going in still, but great crowd. Yeah, and I thought, and I thought they did a great job calling the races when they did. It didn't stick around all night. They got to a point on Sunday where they realized, listen, if we don't start drying now, we're never going to get started by a reasonable time. So they called the race. They did the same thing on Saturday, kind of.

They realized at early 3 or 4 o'clock that that was, we're in a bad spot. We're going to call this one early. So now your entire day is not ruined. You're not sitting there in the racetrack. Obviously, part of your day was. We were there for a while. My day was ruined because I got home. It was awful nice of you to sit in traffic with all the fans for two hours on Sunday.

Yeah, that was going to be my one idiot, my brother, John. Oh, no. Yeah. He's in traffic? No, no, I sat in traffic. For two hours. For two hours. What an idiot.

Exactly. Is your first race race race? jean was here's how here's how tight these windows are and we know like if you see us after the race and you say hi to us on the way yeah nervous no no no no i was fine i was sitting in my truck running ready to go i was waiting on a passenger so you know we we talk if you see us after the race and try to talk to us unfortunately we're not going to talk to you because we have to get the hell out of there to the plane and you know we'll wave high whatever but stopping and talking is very rare leaving a racetrack for us so yesterday our saturday was it Saturday? Sunday.

Sunday. Me and Reed Soren Center parked next to each other. We get a text. We start texting each other, me and T.J. That we heard about a 6 o'clock meeting. All right. We hear probably 6.30 they're going to pull the plug.

So I tell John to get to my car because he's camping with his buddies. So I tell Reed to go. Reed leaves probably five to seven minutes before I did. Reed got right home. I was in traffic for two hours. Leaving. Leaving.

Leaving the racetrack. Leaving the racetrack. out of that green lot. I would have left him. I should have left him. I would have left him. I don't know if you know this about John, but he will let you down.

He will do that more often than not, I feel like. I've seen him do it many times. The whole ride home, I was just steaming mad. Yeah. And he was just, he did not know what to say.

He's like, I can't believe a couple minutes makes all that difference. And I was like, it does. Trust me. And I'm going to why John wasn't doing coming to the car.

He wasn't walking fast. He actually, he was, the funniest thing was, he was in a dead sprint because he knew I was going to kill him. And then he got in the truck and I thought he was going to die. And we would have been in trouble because there was no way medical attention was going to get to us anytime soon. I got home.

My power went out 30 minutes before I got home and didn't come back on until 3 o'clock in the morning. So that was nice. The good news is I did get to see the guy from Indy that's tire hit his car. He passed me out by the drag strip. Did you see that? No. There was a white car with the nose. Right.

The front of the nose was killed on it. And I tweeted a picture of myself. I've been in traffic so long. This guy made it all the way from Indy. What do you think? How about that? Listen. Yeah.

Like, we can joke around about that now. Thank God. Oh, man. That could have been a disaster. Like a full-blown, I mean, multiple fatalities in the grand sense. If that tire goes. I can't believe it didn't mess that car up more than it did. It must have slowed down or hit something else before it got to that car.

I mean, how does it slow down? It's coming down. Well, just bouncing, you know. Yeah, maybe. But I mean, thank God it didn't hit that grand. I mean, I didn't. I saw an angle kind of from a straightaway, so I couldn't tell exactly how close it was,

but it looked a hell of a lot closer. Did it hit the top of the fence? I don't know. No. No, no. It went right over it. It went between the hotel and the end of the grand stand, thank God.

I didn't know. Someone said it clipped the top of the fence when it was going over just a little bit, and it shot it up a little bit higher. I didn't see that, yeah. I think it was way over the top of the fence. That's what I thought. And, man, that was scary.

I didn't even see the wreck. We had to happen here in Charlotte years back, 20 years ago. And, yeah, you never want to see. debris going into the grand stands. I mean, we saw Larson's engine end up in the gate. Daytona, yeah. And the tire went in the stands that day. Fortunately, where it landed, it didn't hit anybody. But, I mean, you're talking about something that weighs probably 50, 60 pounds, going

100 plus miles an hour. That thing would be like a bomb coming at you. We've seen some big wrecks like Elliott at Pocono. That was big. That Larson there, Austin Dillon, Daytona, right in front of us. Yeah, I remember that. Austin Dillon was scary. Yeah, we... I had family sitting down there for the Austin Dillon one. We won that race, and Del Jr., as soon as we crossed line, I mean, I'm sure you heard that he's, he's, oh, my gosh. I'm like, yeah, it's pretty bad. Yeah. Well, that was crazy.

Thank God everybody's okay. That could have been catastrophic. But what a race? Hey, Freddie, what in the world happened to you guys off the end going from 16th to fourth on that last restart? Just hauling ass. We were hauling ass all night, but then we would unfortunately have to pit. Things didn't go so well on pit road for us last night. just started really on whatever day they went to tech we failed twice lost our pit box

selection and that was just a snowball's effect of just bad happening on pit road we we came in one time they they looked at me like they maybe the first stop we drove up we had a bad first run we went backwards to about 20th 25th somewhere like that just kind of we know it's a 400 lap or we don't care we're just going to try and get to this comp caution and figure it out so then we drove back up until like the top 12 or so. Had a bad pit stop, went back, drove back up again, had a bad pit stop, go back. And it was just kind of circumstantial

stuff of one time it looked like the jack got dropped a little too fast, the right rear tire wasn't on. Green flag stopped. The tire rolls away. We get a green uncontrolled tire or interference of pit penalty. Our pit box was the guys where we were having to go around the 34 times and the 48 would come around us

and the seven would come around him. So nobody could really position themselves to get out of their box. so we'd all jammed the four of us up. Well, one time late in the race, we were back up in the top 10, and this is something I want to ask you guys about. 34 car loses the tire, right? We're on the green flag stop.

34 car loses a tire. So that's an automatic two-lap penalty now as part of the penalty on top of the crew member suspensions. So he comes to pit road. Well, they hold the 34 in his box for two laps. And now I've got to go around the 34 with the 48 coming around me, so I can't get in my box to stop short. So now I end up we,

Bubba, people love when they say, we say aye on here. It's a fan. I love it. But so I come around the 34, the 48 blocks us in, the seven blocks the 48 in. And it's all because NASCAR's making this guy serve a penalty

when pit road is open. Like I feel like that penalty should be either before they open pit road or when we're done with the cycle because now the 34th race is over anyway. He was going to lose laps and be done there. And now you've penalized. me, you've penalized the 48, you've penalized the 7 for something that the 34's tire fell off. Well, I think it's just easily avoided when you say, okay, we're done with the cycle. Now bring the 34 in.

You know how to fix this, right? Don't fail tech that many times. Oh, obviously, but it wouldn't, like, it could be anybody. You know what I mean? Obviously, I said from the right from the get's ago, we put ourselves in a hole by failing tech. But if that's the 48th box, when he doesn't fail tech, it's just the way it works out, he didn't do nothing wrong. But now he's getting penalized for the 34's mistake. That's not right, in my opinion. I think it's very easily corrected by let us all cycle through and then open pit road for closed pit road. Bring him down, serve your two-lap penalty and go. It doesn't have to be under yellow. Like, hold him for a lap and a half and then send him.

Like, it shouldn't be a penalty box that he had to pit road. It should, yeah. Remember that? It shouldn't be a penalty for other guys around him just because he lost a tire. Like we had none to do with that, but it cost us 10 spots. And that's why, to answer your question, we were so far back with a fast race car. And then, but we just made. He didn't want to pit by you.

either. We just made the top work on all the late restarts, missed a couple wrecks, and found ourselves I mean, we were really good all night, or we were pretty good all night, I shouldn't say really good, but when you say missed Rex, and did you throttle up again? Yeah, I hammered down. No chances. I didn't want to slow down.

I'd say who wasn't happy with Bubba Wallace yesterday. Yeah. Who's that? Boady. Boady met Bubba. At the back of the hauler, we were over there hanging out with Tyler and Bubba came by, and all Bodie talked about all morning was you think Michael Jordan's going to be at the race. I mean, literally, this kid's 10 years old.

It's all he wants to do is meet Michael Jordan. And I was like, Bodie, I doubt it. Like, it's Monday. It's Memorial Day. I doubt he's here. Daddy lives in Charlotte. He owns the Hornets. You know, he's probably going to be there.

So Bubba walks up and Bubba and Boba and Bobbi was talking. And Bubba goes, hey, you know, MJ's here, right? Bodie's eyes light up. Oh, no. He looks at me. He looks at me. He looks at me. Oh, my God.

Bodie was not happy with Bubba Wallace. I can tell you that. Neither was there. Neither was there. Maybe Bodie got to Harry. There's probably a list of people. Eric. I said, Eric, I need you to handle it. Listen, I'm a University of South Carolina at Die Hard fan, but I grew up in the 80s watching Michael Jordan play basketball and Jeff

Lebo. And, I mean, you could go down a list all the freaking awesome basketball players North Carolina's had. To see that Jumpman car and that Air Jordan logo on that Carolina blue car was freaking awesome. If you grew up in the Southeast or if you're in your 40s and loved college basketball, like how can you not look at that car and just go, man, what a, what a, what an awesome simple paint ski? I couldn't believe the hate. Like I saw that that that scheme getting like tons of hate on the internet. And I'm like, this scheme is perfect. That's from people who don't understand branding.

What sites you're looking at? Twitter, of course. Look at how genius that Nike swoosh is. Look at how genius that Jumpman brand is. Like, you don't even need words. Just like the M& McDonald's these days, right? So these people that are fussing about that, thank God they all are over brands because they don't understand how branding works.

I thought the car looked good. Stood out like, yeah. I mean, it was. I like the color was cool. I thought it was going to be the one to be for a while. It was pretty quick. fast. Who's the better dunker?

Like Vince Carter or Michael Jordan? I'm Team MJ every day all day, man. Oh, I guess I gotta be right. Dr. Jay. I plead the fifth. I'm just saying, I mean, Vince Carter was North Carolina, wasn't he? Yeah. He was from Daytona Beach, Florida.

Oh, that's right. The school. Yeah. They got the name down to gym there. Great basketball. But again, you could go down a list of guys who are awesome from there. Dude, I think he's probably a little bit better at Duncan. We've been telling you for years now that race

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about the Xfinity series people got to remember this week was they were, they're going to Portland and a lot of teams were needing to leave essentially last night or this morning to get there on time with, you know, drivers can only drive so far. You know, with, I think if you had one driver, you had to leave Monday night. And so, somebody said if you had two drivers, you could leave sometime this morning or a little bit early afternoon, to get out there physically. That's just 52 hours. Yeah, just to get there.

So, you know, they were kind of in a box. So I know why they pushed it. You know, I know they were just doing everything they could to get that race to lap 90 so that them guys didn't have to stay until after the cup race. Because we knew the weather was going to clear up throughout the day, it seemed like. But they were just doing everything they could. But it was sketchy. You can see it coming in and like it just sat in with that heavy mist.

And once we had that. calm caution. I knew we were in trouble because we lost all progress we made. And then the one run, it was at the end of the first stage, I guess. It was really slick. Like Chandler, I seen he went to the bottom one time to try and run the bottom of three and four and I thought we were going to wreck. And you can see the lap time we're slowing down by like a half a second because guys are just, they just couldn't go as hard as you wanted to. Yeah, yeah. But it was, it was sketchy. But I don't fault them for it because obviously nobody crashed, but it was it was pushing the limits. Yeah, they were, I thought they did a good job. My favorite part that when we were getting roll off,

pit road and the guy on the roof the spot the NASCAR official on the roof you were there weren't you? No you went there Saturday or Sunday he wasn't up there for that part. I thought you were oh you weren't there for cup race yesterday I thought okay yeah that's right yeah that guy

it's raining tower he one time I wanted him to say because we'd go back up there and they were like what did the spotters think you know I asked the driver's thumbs up thumbs down so we're all like thumbs down I just wanted most of us were not even there anymore We had gone down because it was raining so hard.

It was like raining hard. Like you're, it was that hard. And I just wanted him to be like, the spotters have left. There's nobody left up here because it's raining tower. So he looked around. He looked around like, hey, what's the spotters thing? He looked around and like, everyone's walking off. And he goes, uh, it's raining tower.

It was pretty funny. But not ideal. But I, listen, they were in a box. They did a good job, man. And just kudos to the, we'd say it on here all the time. Haller drivers have the hardest job in this sport and them, Xfinity guys and and the crew guys too because you know a lot of them teams probably needed to take stuff off those cars that ran last night to put on the cars that are going to Portland so they probably

had to burn the midnight oil to get stuff ready pull seats out you know driver comfort stuff whatever it is shock springs who knows but there's a lot of teams that kind of race to race like that and and they're in the buying this morning but you know kudos to everybody for getting it done and hopefully everybody gets supported even though you probably gets overlooked here is all them guys that men and women that have to dry the track and do all they had they were overworked this weekend for sure they did a lot and they got that track dry pretty like they got it down to a science where they need to position things and so NASCAR and all them folks that do that stuff did a great job right I'm good I just think here it's it's important to note that you know you guys

were complaining about no information and it was brought to my attention that TV does not have anything to do with a delay of calling the race. That's between the track and NASCAR. So if you're a fan sitting in the stands getting your butt wet, I've been there, man. I sat there for four hours in Darlington when I was in college, waiting on information and never came. So information's got to get better.

I appreciate Marcus Smith tweeting what he did on Sunday. I feel like we need to be more transparent. And look, as an industry member, we have to be there, right? As fans, you deserve the communications, and I think that there's a lot of room. We've talked about this on this show before. Like, give us updates every fucking hour. Please, something.

Moving on. Spot on, spot off. Indy car throws the red flag following a late race incident in the Indianapolis 500 series officials determined the race would go green with a single lap shootout for the win. TJ, spot on, spot off. I enjoyed it. I don't know if that's probably going to be against the tradition there a little bit, but I thought it was a great finish to the end of the race and it's one of the biggest races in the

United States in the world. In the world. So I thought it was great to see those guys do what they do and put on a show and finish it out clean. Everybody is clean. Everything was clean and it was exciting. I reached out to somebody who's very close to Jay Fry. Jay Fry is the president of IndyCar, right?

And I was told that it was a committee decision that there's a race director. Yeah, they got a committee too. Race director, Kyle Novak, what I did know, though, I was talking with Gluck, is Gluck mentioned that he thought Max Pappas and Ari Lyndiker are in the booth there too. That's a lot of experience behind the wheel to help you get it right. So to know that those three or four guys talked about it and made that decision and we had a one lap shootout to win the Indy 500.

Again, I thought it was freaking phenomenal. one of the best, second best indie car race I've ever seen in my life in terms of me being entertained and having fun. I won't say this, though. It amazes me how good of a job that they do to promote the Indy 500 because you and I were there, us three were there last year. It was the same cars. It was the same drivers and there was nobody there when we went to the road course race,

right? So they're not there for the drivers. They're not there for the cars. They're not there for the race. track. They're there because it's the Indy 500. It's the biggest event one of the biggest events in the world. Massive party that was going on in the infield.

That's my point though. They are able to take that place and make it the place to be in the Midwest. We need a snake pit, obviously. No, we don't. Yeah, we do. And Freddie needs to have a body cam on there and go there. Listen, I, you know, I've kind of towed this line on here

for a while. I'm spot off. I think that... Cut his mic off. I think that... I mean, I think it's great for the fans, but It's just your, it was a manufactured finish. And the reason, if it's black and white that it should have been red flag, why'd we burn a lap under yellow? Like, it should have been. Exactly.

We're talking to a committee. Like, if that was the case, it should have, it's just, for one thing, we don't ever need respect to distance of the race, especially the Indy 500. It's been that way for, I don't know, what, 12,000 years now if you use Denny's math. But, you know, that's just, you know, that's that race. So you don't want to extend it. You do net ever need green white checkers. You don't need overtime at Indy with how dangerous that sport is and how dangerous that

racetrack is. But I was, I just felt like if I was a fan watching myself, I was like, hopefully they red flag it. But if I'm Marcus Erickson, I feel like I probably just got f***ed to have an Indy 500 win because that's just not the way you've ever done it before. Didn't he get one last year because of a shootout? I don't remember the circumstances of the last year. But I don't think they ever read flagged it for a one lap shootout before.

But should it have been a caution then coming to the finish? T.J. Freddie was stuck in the infield last week. I don't know if we should even let him have an opinion. First of all, this guy stuck in the infield. They did not open the gate when they said they would. That's not my fault. Freddie chose to get stuck in the infield. He chose to not wake up Monday morning.

I woke up eventually. What we're saying is if this were a courtroom, we would throw out your testimony. The committee would not approve of your decision making right now. The committee doesn't approve of your decision making right now. guarantee they don't. Let's add. Andrew, finish the race,

how they did or let it go traditionally? What do you think? And to answer your question first, TJ, Erickson won in a two-lap shootout last year. So it's similar to it.

I was there at the Ndie 500. They did need to red flag that last one because the track was very clearly blocked. Like it was going to be dangerous for those cars to go through the front straightaway. How could you say that? Because they went through the front straightaway.

Barely. But they had to slow down a lot. They had to do it one more time. So they needed a room to clean the cars up, man. You've never seen any 500 wreck where they're got to go through a big wreck. The safety workers were in danger. Listen, I get it. But that's just not what they do there.

Blake, finish under yellow or green? I'd rather to finish under green. All right, gray goose. No, Brees. Everybody's going to say they want to finish under green. Gore geese. Gray geese. Abby is her name.

Abby. Yes. Green or yellow? Green. She said green. Okay, let's get anybody over the age of 20 to ask this question, too. All the fans are. So I, listen, I said as a fan watching, I loved it.

The hype coming out of this race was phenomenal. Over 300,000 people there. Kyle Larson couldn't have picked a better year to run a double because they've had amazing Indy 500s the last few. Here he goes in with all this hype. And look, if you're not a Kyle Larson fan, it's going to suck to be you on Memorial Day weekend next year. Because it's going to be all you hear about. He's going to be a guy that has a.

a chance to win both races, you think. Now, I realize we could say, well, it's going to be hard to do it in any car. Man, Kurt Bush ran sixth. And Kyle Larson's a better race car driver than Kurt Busch. And in terms of diversity and what he's won in. So I'm pumped up for this thing. I'll tell you who I was pulling for. And I think that was part of the reason why we might have seen some of those red flags was

the 14 car. San Antonio for one, but AJ Foyt, American flag main scheme. Yeah. They were going to probably give him as many chances as they could to get that thing up there to win that race. But I don't know. It just had a very, I hate to say, NASCAR feel to it, but it just felt like we were trying to manufacture a finish that was great.

If I paid $200 to be in the grandstand, I want to see a finish. I get it. I said that from the beginning. Apparently, you don't. As a fan watching the race, when they red flagged it, I was like, oh, here we go. This is going to be a great finish. But if I was the eight, I would feel like I got screwed. Should have been like a green white checkered, so rather than just a one last.

You can't add laps. They didn't. No, I know. That's what she's asking me if you're a green, white check. Yeah, I don't. You can't ad laps. Here's what I learned watching that race

is when these guys getting these crazy wrecks, the way they let the safety crew know they're okay as they flip their visors up. That's pretty cool. I didn't know that. I mean, we have our wind-inette trip. Is that why he did that? Yeah. Yeah.

He was upside down at 180 miles. I didn't know that's why. He flipped it open. He was trying to figure out why he did that because I feel like he was getting sandblats in his face. That's what I thought too. I was like, oh, his visors just came up. Well, I just thought that when he went upside down and that ten advisor that it got dark and he wanted to be able to see. But he flipped his freaking visor up.

He was probably still doing 80 mile an hour slide. Oh, he was doing more than that. Yeah. All right. But anyway. So that's why he did that. Because I was wondering why you would ever do that. What a great race, though.

I mean, the storylines, the fuel, the who can, the pitting and the crashes on pit road. Were those teammates that hit? They were, one. What idiots would pit around your teammates of that race? So the one messes up that screws both of you. They all do. I think that's a T, like they all pit together. I think that's dumb.

They probably share multiple, you know, like a... Listen, their pit road. For one, we already know this. That pit road is the sketchiest pit road in America. That one's long and narrow. That is a long, narrow pit road, yeah. Size matters. Size matters.

And it's even longer if you use the access roads. Like a couple times, I think it was that Catherine leg. She almost wiped out a guy standing there. When she left her box, like those guys are insane. But she left her what? She's... Pit box. Well, you got a penalty for, didn't you wipe a guy out?

Where? Who got the penalty for pit interference yesterday? Oh, no, we didn't hit a guy. That was McDowell knocked us off the jack. Yeah. Okay. With that great pit selection that we had. So what is, like, what is the role of pitting?

Do you know, like, if you're, so William Barron's in the first stall, we're in a second stall. My understanding is, is he's not allowed to impede our guys. It's not. There's no black and white, not allowed. It's just a judgment call. And, but like, I didn't, I listened to Danny's podcast. I did not look at it. I didn't see it.

Danny blamed your guys. My guys? Yes. Because when? Listen, for whatever. When William got a warning, William got some kind of warning at some point, I guess. I didn't catch it.

That, you know, be careful. But there is an orange line there, but there's no definitive. Like, if you're under that, over that, hit that orange line. He said, Danny blamed, like, Danny, that's my style in the orange. Blame your guys. But he said, and you've had, and we've done, I've done this before. I don't know if you guys do it. If you're following a guy.

down pit road and he's pitted directly in front of you you almost have to leave a car length gap to give your guy's room to run between the two cars or else you're setting them up to run into the side of the 24 car and obviously I think that that rule is more in place for a car sitting in the box that you know that orange line that's there now that they've never told us a black and white whatever that rule is but I think if there's a car sitting in the box and you shortcut it a lot and clip that right front tire changer or or or affect them in any way. I think that would be a penalty.

I think this is more, you know, just kind of... So then what's the warning for? I think it's just watch it. You know, you're cutting it close. You know, be careful. I mean, all four tires are driving straight through where my car would sit. Yeah, listen. Like, what's the warning for?

Either that's, to me, it should be, like I said, there's no black and white about it. There's all judgment from the booth. You know, it's not like driving through too many boxes where it's black and white. But then he got a warning, but then nothing was going to happen if he, did it again. Maybe if he did it again, they would have penalized them maybe, but if there's no rule on it.

Yeah, I don't know. But like I said, like, it's just, it's not a cut and dry deal. And if maybe, I don't know that you want it to be a cut and dry deal because then you're going to be a lot of, you're going to use it.

Yeah, I don't know. You know what I can't. Remember we, we had a meeting about that at Daytona. Yeah, I mean, it was that orange box for. It was very vague in that meeting.

Has one penalty been called from that orange line yet? No. Okay. Next. All right. They made it clearly in that meeting that that orange lines there and you're going to have to do something really stupid to get a penalty. Like basically hit a tire guy that's, you know, hit somebody that's changing a tire or, you know, you would have to do something really egregious to get that penalty.

Spot on, spot off. Eric Amarola said post race, he wasn't going to take a cussing from Bubba Wallace after Amarola shoved Bubba during one of the red flag breaks at the Coke. 600. Spot on, spot off, Brett. Well, what allegedly happened is Bubba Wallace flipped Eric Amarola off. And Amarola said that Bubba was racing him bad and he was trying to get Bubba room. So I think when he shot him to bird, Emeraul got mad about it. And he walked down there to ask him about it. And clearly Bubba had some words that Amarola didn't like.

So Amarola shoved him. It was funny because I didn't even know about it until probably we were getting ready to go back green. I didn't know about it. And somebody had sends one to me about it. it and I said well if I had to guess and listen Eric talking like I saw one Eric's interviews was like you know he raised me dirty and I was giving him room that never happens these I don't these guys don't like each other I don't know what the history is there they don't like each other they race each other like idiots all the time like they're we don't ever cut him a break he never cuts us a break

it just that so him saying he gave us room is not true he drove into the back of it he drove into the side of us going to the three at one point like okay and I'm sure that's probably but but I knew when I saw them man I saw the video I told I forget if it was Timmy Fidoa or pain maybe was standing there. I said, I bet you, because we raced hard for like three or four laps. And it was just kind of crossover move and side draft, whatever. And I said, I bet you. And we got, we got the better end of it. We got a big run off of two and cleared him down the backstretch. And I guarantee you, this is when probably into turn three, Bubba just, I said, I guarantee Bubba flipped him off. Then Eric was obviously mad about that. And then we got out. And

right before that red flag, we had just come to pit road and a green flag stops. And we had a uncontrolled tire roll into the 48th box. So, we had a, and we had a uncontrolled tire roll into the 48th box. So we had to come back, serve a drive through, lose a lap. So now I know this is like the third or fourth instance we've had on Pitt Road this race. Not any excuse, but I know getting out of the car, Bubba is irate because we just potentially threw our race away because now we're a lap down. We're 26. We've been top 12, top 10 all night. So now I know he's irate.

So the second that I see Eric say something to him, I was like, oh, I guarantee Eric said something. Bubba said, fuck off essentially, like, because I know he's irate and Eric shoved him. So I was just, but I knew in the moment, I knew exactly what happened right there. And then finally I asked Joel, like later on between the two races. I said, do you ever hear what happened? He said, yeah, you flipped us off. I said, yep, that makes sense. I just blame you.

You're the comment. I mean, running to me at Fontana last year, the All-Star race. You missed the bottom in one, just run us up the hill there. Then we're running Charlotte at first two times. You pushed me around a racetrack for three laps before you can finally get around. That's after you came into the fifth groove and the third lap of the race. then in Charlotte we're running here everyone gets to the bottom of three and four

just grabs the paint on there and holds it till late now here comes the 23 right up the racetrack into the I'm like he's coming up to you clear get ready I'll tell you what man it's Freddy's fault no practice no qualifying 600 mile race and I'm telling you all the racing yesterday if you're a race

fan you can appreciate the art that went into those races and the art that takes from those race car drivers because man they were making some awesome moves in both races yesterday and you can't You can't get with one hand out the window. I used to love a Michael Altrip race because Michael Waltrop is about six foot five

and his arms are about six foot five long. And when he would flip people off down the front stretch, his arm being their window. Yeah, he would see his armpit hanging out the window. I miss that, Michael. That was a good old day. And these guys, like I said, I don't think these do like each other at all. But like if you see like Bubba and Corey or Bubba and Blaney,

and I think like back in the day Elliot and Dale used to do this like the shocker or whatever like these guys make hand gestures to each other every time they pass each other but this was not a friendly one I don't think this is real life road rage people like you're driving down the road and somebody flips you off and you get mad

and you get out of the next stoplight and you go punch him in his window that's what's happening here I wish these guys had like tractor trailer horns the biggest thing I learned the last two weeks I'm going to take this some fingers together or something we've got an issue

but that time Bubba drove a midget watch this TJ these people can't see that's good listening Yeah that just came out later on Have you seen that one before?

Yeah I saw that Give us some play by play I mean No play by play let's move on We got to Fair enough Hey BBC listeners Producer Andrew Curlin here

Obviously the news of Chase Elliott's suspension Broke after we recorded this episode But nonetheless Give a listen to what the guys have to say about Elliott's actions this past weekend at Charlotte. Spot on, twit off. Denny Hamlin says Chase Elliott's move was a quote tantrum.

He shouldn't be racing next week. Right rear hooks are absolutely unacceptable. Spot on, spot off. Ooh, Freddy. Gotcha. I feel like I've seen this somewhere before. spot on for Denny's comments obviously and listen,

like we have a lot of fun on here about me professing my love for Denny and joking around about that. You can take Danny Hamelin completely out of this entire equation and my opinion would not change one bit. It could be somebody like Ross Chastain that maybe deserves 100 paybacks

from 100 different people. This was completely unacceptable. Danny moves up to racetrack, squeezes Chase, Chase gets in the fence, comes down pretty clearly to me, intentionally hooks him in the left rear. They also touched on the back stretch. Yeah, yeah, before that.

Yeah. Coming off a two. But, I mean, to me, it's pretty clear that he intentionally hangs a left turn into his right rear quarter panel. Danny posted the SMT data, which clearly shows that... I need to play it again. Keep going. Clearly shows that he hooked him in the left rear,

I mean, the right rear with a left turn. So to me, I think that if Chase is not suspended today or tomorrow, next week's probably going to be my last week with a hard card. Because I tweeted last year that Bubba Wallace's penalty was unprecedented because nobody had ever been suspended before for intentionally hooking somebody in the fence. And let's get something clear because I see all you idiots out there talking about, you know, oh, Bubba did this and he did something different. He went down there and tried to confront him. Steve O'Donnell clearly said in his quote, Bubba Wallace was suspended for what happened on the racetrack with Kyle Larson and the incident that occurred putting other drivers at harm.

You can go up and read the quote. But listen, so that eliminates anything else that happened after the wreck. So the precedent set, you suspended one guy. If you want any integrity in your sport, you had better suspend Chase Elliott this week. He's got one, Chase Elliott has one big thing going for him. and that is the name Carson Hosovo. Because how many times has he done this and they not do anything?

Multiple. I don't know, four or five? I think, I think it's... But that was also before the last guy that he suspended. I think it's the exact same thing as what Bubba did to Larson, and I thought that was dirty. And I think what Chase did to Denny is dirty. It's the equivalent to sucker punching somebody in a bar.

If you want to get in a fight, get in a fight. Man up. I don't know if that's sucker punch because Denny actually did put him in the wall so there was kind of a pushing first Do you think Chase's day was over at that point? No, it wasn't over. Do you think his car was really hurt? No.

Do you think Elliot's response about having like once you tear the right sides off these things, it's over? I am not, no. I am I saw Austin Cendrick pound the fence in turn two and drive it to pit road, change the tires, and take back off. these things don't break like they used to in the first we were all you know the first six months of

this car yeah there's some issues with stuff but people have figured out they're durable we don't just break steering now like we used to so this isn't the first time this year where the steering is broke and the guy drives that i showed you a instance where a guy said his steering broke after turning left on a straightaway and drives it all the way to the hauler after going two laps on the track and then his pit stall and then turns behind the wall in a sharp corner at a small track so to freddie's point these guys also have a history i mean we talked about bubba and amarola having a history we don't know why denny and chase have a history too denny wrecked chase chase wrecked him back took him my little playoffs got hit in martinsville into chase according to danny well i'm just telling you there's a history

here and and when you right rear somebody and turn them head on into the wall i can't support that no i don't i don't that's seeing the in-car camera that like and knowing that that's preventable. Like I get it if you're three, four wide and everyone's last. You know how it gets off term four when you're three, four wide. It's tight, but this is... Let me tell you to people something else. The six car had nothing to do with anything that happened right there.

Oh, come on, man. I'm loving my timeline here. When you see that replay, especially the aerial view, and you think the six had anything to do with Chase Reck and Danny? You're an idiot. You're an idiot. Yeah. Listen, you know, I said it on here last year after Vegas. Like, it's completely unacceptable to ever do that.

That's not something you could ever do. Exactly. You cannot blame the six. My guy, right or wrong, you cannot, it's not acceptable. You can't do that. You cannot react that way. You can't overreact that way. You know, listen, thank God for the safety improvements we had since 2001,

because that was the exact same wreck that killed Blake Alexander. Blaze. I watched that live. You know, like that was the same spot, same thing. Come across the, I think it was the two car maybe. And back then. But same exact spot, hooked, you know, not, I don't know if it was intentional back then,

but same hit right before the wall. No. You know. Like, racing, racing happens. Yeah. And it's just like that was a head-on shot. I've seen some of the pictures of the cockpit of Denny's car. The steering wheel looks like it's turned inside out.

I mean, it's, that was an unbelievable bad angle to hit at. And listen, it's just, I don't know. I think he let go the wheel too, didn't he? Danny eventually did. It's amazes me that he gets hit in the right. recorder panel and I think he had his hands off the wheel before he hit. If you're Steve O'Donnell, do you suspend him, T.J. I think you set the precedent already. I think you, and it's a preventable accident like that. And who knows what Denny's medical condition is going to be later this week. I don't

know. He was talking to me. I mean, I don't know if you guys listened to his podcast this morning, or he did not have a meeting. But it was something like he said he couldn't hold his head up. Like his neck muscles were so, like, sore. Yeah, because they stretch like 12 inches. Let me see. I got the quote right here. Our actions are specific to what took place on the racetrack. And when we look at how that incident occurred in our minds, a really, really a dangerous act,

we thought that it was intentional and put other competitors at risk. And as we look at the sport and where we are today, where we want to draw the line going forward, we thought that definitely crossed the line. And that's what we focused on, focused on in terms of making this call. They have to stick to that then. They have to.

That's Steve O'Donnell's quote from After Bubba's suspension. I think they do. I personally think they do I mean they I'd not think they do they have to like I don't for Freddie's hard card sake

for my hard card say for my tenure on this podcast I need to let me ask you a question so if they don't suspend him I'm gonna take next week off because I don't want to be on that show next week

yeah let me ask you guys a question should drivers that get suspended while we're talking about this be eligible for the playoffs yes T.J because and I'll tell you why

I know TJ he's an hour I agree with you, but go ahead. Because here's my thing. The sponsors and the team members, their livelihood shouldn't hang on one guy because in any other sport, we're going to have a quarterback that gets suspended. Well, another quarterback comes in and plays, and your team can still make the playoffs.

You can still win a championship. You can still win the next game, right? So that's why I am all for it. Okay, but I'm just saying this is on just driver's side. Like, you can leave the owner's points in there, and the team is not affected by that. The team's in there. But my point is this doesn't really affect.

chase if chases are not suspended. But say a guy like Byron goes out there and does something that, especially on track over aggression, does something that warrants a suspension. What does that cost him? Nothing? Nothing. Nothing. Nothing.

Maybe 75,000 to $100,000. Yeah. I don't think suspension like that's for that. Set him to sit out a week, sitting your car out there. But if it's no, if you're not losing anything, what's the point of it? Like in my mind, and this is obviously just me spitballing, whatever. Like, I think if you are suspended,

if you're William Byron and you do something egregious enough to get suspended on the racetrack, this is a big deal. Like, you're doing something that's harming other drivers or putting other drivers at harm. This is a big deal.

This isn't something to gloss over. You should lose whatever playoff eligibility you've already guarded. Like, you should not have playoff points. No. Or you should not... Your win already? Your wins already should not count.

You have to win again or point your way back in. You have to make this. hurt to get these guys to stop doing this because obviously it didn't stop when Bubba got suspended last year. So you have to make this hurt. Right now you don't get, there's no penalty.

I mean, I'd agree with taking away your playoff wins. Take your way. You're not locked in any longer. You have to win again or point your way in. Yeah, but as a spotter on that team, I shouldn't be penalized for my driver doing so I'm stupid. But you're not.

As a sponsor who's missing out on coverage, he's missing out on potential activations, I wouldn't. It doesn't matter. This is the point. It has to hurt. It's got to hurt. It's got to hurt somebody. But when Bubba got suspended,

did it make him change the way he drove? Is he driving less aggressive in taking things out on track? He is not driving less aggressive as far as taking things out on track. I think it's, is he more mature when he gets frustrated? That's the question. That's where I'm getting at. But so my, like to Freddie's point here, what if this takes Danny out for a month and Chase sits out a week?

Is that really? I mean, that's a good point. Like, my point is a suspension to somebody that's already locked to playoffs means nothing because it's maybe four or five playoff points. Yeah. And maybe, you know, 20 or 30, 40. He's locked in. He's locked in. He's good. He can do whatever he wants. So you could go hook somebody. If you know you're locked into playoffs, you just go hook somebody because what's the worst going to happen? They're going to suspend me for a week. I'm good with that. I mean, they got a sub already. Ready to go. But if you take it away where, listen, you're no longer locked in

now. You've got to either win again or, you know, have enough points to get in, which most of these guys will. But make this hurt to make these guys think about this stuff again. Like, make think twice because we saw if this is you know the message was supposed to be sent last year when they suspended bubba well chase didn't get that message apparently because he just did the exact same thing brick hendrick has 296 cup wins obviously the most successful winning owner in nascar history brilliant billionaire guy um it seems though with a lot of these things hendrick gets a little bit of preferred treatment do you agree with that uh it's it definitely seems that way i don't know if that's the case or not, but the perception is out there,

and the perception is out there throughout the garage. As far as... Not just us three idiots sitting here. But what are you getting at that? I think it carries further than the garage, too. I think it's like fans, everybody. Big Al's. What are you getting at now then?

Like, they haven't announced a suspension yet. They could still... I mean, listen, we were just a year ago talking about him driving on the racetrack, Chase Elliott at the nine car, the most popular driver at NASCAR, currently that's sitting in a race car. I still think Dale Jr. is more popular. But we were just talking about here. He was driving on the racetrack with its deck lid or whatever it was,

hanging off the back and he didn't get red flag. So, I mean, we see what we think teams get away with. Like, it just seems they get away with more. You know, we have race altering rules in place. Chase Elliott says on the radio a couple years ago, where's that four car? I'm going to go back out there and help my teammate or whatever. You know, goes out there and costs Kevin Harvick to win at Bristol and helps Larson. Like, there's been instances where the, obviously, you saw this here earlier with the appeals panel.

Like, there's instances. But then he gets fined and points in months. for changing the outcome of a race. And yeah, we let that go on. They still finish the race. They both came around to finish. Question. If this was a situation where it wasn't Denny

and it wasn't somebody who is very popular, has his own podcast, has a very large voice in the sport, rightfully so. Owner, driver. Do you think that this would get as much coverage, as much eyes on it? I said when I started this conversation, I started and say you can take Denny Hamlin at his equation and replace him with any person in the sport.

It could be JJ. It could be Josh Balicki who didn't get me a win in DBC picks this week. Like it could be anybody in the sport. When you right hook somebody into the fence like that, it is completely unacceptable. Spot on, spot off. The Coke 600 resulted in 16 cautions and 31 lead changes among 13 drivers. TJ. I am spot on for that race.

I thought it had a little bit of everything. Strategy. There was passing. It was hard to pass. that just I think people once a game some probably see it but how good these drivers are at being very precise on the racetrack that's what you see at charlotte now in these races I think so I mean maybe you see it differently but these guys you know when you're you catch somebody how precise you have to be and you can't just drive up to the guy and move them I mean you got to you got to

be you can't miss the corner I mean you're fighting air I think it's a great race I'm spot off for cautions I'm spot off for lead changes Andrew will you fucking drunk when you put this in the show. I just wanted to showcase the Big Coke 600. How are we supposed to spot off this? One of the best $600s in history. Was that lead change?

I was there until midnight last night. I do have to give a shout out to Justin Haley because he now holds the record for the racing the most miles in NASCAR history on a single day. Wow. He beat Ty Gibbs by a last. Yep, he went 898.5 and Ty Gibbs went 897 last night. Ty, you suck.

You go driving some of me. You almost had it. I'm just kidding. That's cool. Yeah, I mean, phenomenal race. And listen to your point, TJ, like we talked about this on here before. You've seen two of the problem. I would put them in the top five car control guys into sport.

Christopher Bell and Kyle Larson spin out. just spin out on their own on their own larcen did it on a restart that's what triggered that big wreck with gibbs and and legano down the backstretch um and then bell just lost it off a four one time yeah i was watching you know so listen these guys are on edge yesterday they were and the one thing that i will say this place and i i don't have any data to back this up but i feel like this was the best place that we have applied anything to the racetrack to make the racing better because you could race seemingly all over the place yesterday you could run the bottom you could run the bottom you could

run a lane into the grip. You could run the wall. You could run almost anywhere and find a way to make speed. You basically, you know, like Casey asked me how earlier we just got through the traffic, you just had to go wherever they weren't. And some places, you can't do that. You know, some place, like we were talking about North Wilkesboro last week, there was nowhere else to go. You had to follow a guy or move them or whatnot. You know, there's a one lane deal. So, you know, like that place there, for whatever reason lends itself so much better to that grip and that resin. And thank God that resin has come around and replaced the PJ. or whatever it was because that stuff is so much better.

So like that PJ1 would have been ice after all that rain and moisture the other day. And the resident took like five laps and it would come right back in. I don't think it took five. I think it's almost there in the beginning. It was it was a phenomenal race. Shout out to Justin Haley too. People don't realize, man, when you go get in a seat that's not mounted for you, how much of a struggle it can be because I would say Justin is what eight inches shorter

than Cobbush, seven inches? At least. I mean, it's a bunch, right? So the pedals weren't for him. They weren't fitted for him. The seat wasn't fitted for him. him to get in there and run the most miles ever in one single day in a car that wasn't made for you like shout out to him for that because i promise you he wasn't comfortable as he normally is

two completely different style driving cars too yeah so shout out to blaney he can kiss that he could still kiss my ass for the he said on radio but what did he say he said something about freddie's last roll no talking about fat rolls or something oh i remember that now he's got he's got a leg up at thanksgiving now with william he's got one more win he's got eight now he was listen they were really good yesterday. Oh, yeah. Two things that I took away from yesterday. Blaney was obviously really good.

And the 24 pit crew or pit stall was phenomenal. Phenomenal. Because they led off pit road every week, every caution. It was ridiculous. That stall was really good. And like I think it was Danny was talking about on his podcast today. He said like, and it's, you can see this at other racetracks. And we take it into account like our pit road speed.

But the position of the camera is always different at the end of pit road. Sometimes it's right outside that first pit stall. Sometimes it's out towards that yellow. line and you have to get roll like now like the last night's was very close it was it was three feet yeah it was very close so all byron has to do is basically leave leave the pit box roll out of the pit box he's tripping that line and he still gets him guys would go by him but he's already ahead of him because where the line's located yeah i think that needs to be changed i'm not i think the i think the camera should be that the camera should be in the same spot like obviously not same spot but same

location in relation to the outline or something it should be 10 feet every time or whatever it's going to be, but it's way too close to Charlotte. That is a huge advantage. Yeah, because you don't have to do it. All you just got to do is go like bump the beams. Yeah, you're just, all right, we're good. But yeah, but those are the two takeaways because it was, it was literally, it didn't matter where Byron was running.

If he was in the top five, he was going to come out with the league. You have to get up to 60 miles an hour to make it to the end of the pit road. He's got to get up to four miles an hour. Yeah. If people go back and look at that, they'll see what we're talking about. But, yeah, but Byra, great time by Blaine, I think he led like 160-something laps. I thought he was clearly the best car. I mean, honestly.

without that last caution he's probably not winning the race still i mean i think who was leading william before the last caution blaney got him in the last restart really i don't remember i was right there mired in traffic yeah he was uh i mean great race up front though with them guys just great race and jes the only four worth of to be honest with you how harvick was in and out a little bit but he was in and out early but then he was mostly out i mean briscoe was in the top no he spun him and reddick got together and he spun and he really never heard you don't see harvick make mistakes like that often. You can't give us some credit for being the top five?

I mean, we were fast. Oh, yeah, I forgot about you. And you had 50 problems. Yeah, we had probably, you know who else was good? You know what was the one? You know who else was good last night? It has been good, but they had an issue on Pit Road that knocked them kind of out of the race. It's been Busher, I think, was like top 10 in points in May because I was listening to

gluck in them. And like, Busher's been on a roll lately. He hadn't had good speed. He was up front. I think he'd won a stage yesterday. Yeah. He did. So, you know, they've been solid.

Both of your cars have been really good. Well, we got lucky because, first of all, we got put in the wall by the eight off a turn two. That's why we had to pit. We had concrete hanging out of our wheels. So luckily, we got back to third after that. And that's when Busher won that stage. And we had a little fire. Did you see the fire on pit road?

Bubba said, Bubba said the six is on fire. Oh, yeah. I saw Brad leaving. I saw fire driven. I'm like, oh, no. And then we ended up having a loose wheel. So I fought back from that. We were two laps down.

You're in trouble. I don't get back on the lead lap the last caution of the race. We just needed one more. So there was a lot of, I feel like there's a lot of good stories yesterday. Andrew just texted me Bushers 12th in points, which is really good. J.J. Yaley was really good, solid. I think he finished like 15, 16. Yeah, solid run for them guys.

Zane Smith, top 10. And that's what, the Zane Smith thing is interesting because we've talked about on here all year. We've given Todd Gillland some credit. Well, clearly, it ain't Todd Gilliland because this team. This ain't just Todd Gilliland. This ain't just Todd Gileland. Todd's had a great year. Clearly, this team, though, is a lot better than they were, even a year ago.

Yeah, they're going to do crew chief this year. Ryan Burganty from. Burgundy, yeah. He's from my way, Stafford. You look at what they're accomplishing, no matter who's driving. Like, they're light years ahead of where they were. I think Todd's done a great job, too. Now, he made a terrible pit call yesterday.

Oh, I know. When he stayed out on 18-lap tires or whatever it was, if he doesn't get back-to-back-to-back cautions right there, he's dead. Because he went from leading to sixth in two corners. There was weird. That was that. I don't know where you guys were at at that point, but we were coming to Pitt Road and we're coming around to Pitt Road. And Booty said, we're staying. And I said, all right, 10-4.

And I said, usually I tell I'll ask Booty like, we're staying no matter what. And usually he'll say yes, but I can tell this was not one of them instances. So then I was, we're coming. I'm like, I'm like, they're all coming. They're all. And I just, I don't even, I think he said Pitt, but I just said pit because I'd like, we're not going to be that one. And it looked like the 38 had like, instance. sent regret because he like he rode right next to us like oh I should have probably came right

there but he did a phenomenal job I'll tell you who was really good yesterday I really good it's relative but like the 47 was top 10 all day long and they had they've had speed the last month they've had speed really all year darlington yeah they had a left rear flat late but they've been really good all year really they're I mean they're up there obviously he's one of them guys like he wins Daytona and you're like well you know where he's going to get in and that's because he's probably been like 20, 20-fifth points the last couple years. They've been solid. And they're up there.

I think they're around us or ahead of us, 14, 15. I think we had a top five car. I mean, I think we had a top five car. Just, you know, the long, it's racing. You have 99 problems? Let me ask you one more question. What? Why is Jimmy Johnson doing this?

He loves racing. I actually just sent somebody a text about him. It's Jimmy Johnson. Does what he wants. It goes back to what me and Jamie McMurray said on this show. Like, we want to remember. remember Jimmy as the greatest of all time. We want to remember him as the, you know, the 80 plus race wins or whatever it is he's got. Jimmy don't care how you want to remember. Jimmy's doing what

Jimmy wants to do. I know that. I mean, I just had a conversation with a country music singer about music that he's putting out. And I'm like, you don't need to put a music, a song out, unless it's going to go to number one because you're a legacy guy now, right? So it just, listen, Jimmy wants to race, he's going to race. It ain't going to matter what Brett Griffin says. Ready Kraft says Casey Bowden ain't going to matter. But we just don't want to see him struggle. And yesterday, I don't know how much you guys were watching because obviously it was off turn two and he was probably running about 28 to 30th.

Bodie and I were sitting in the stands. And there was a fan that every time Jimmy Johnson came by, this guy stood up and took his hat off and tipped his hat or he stood up and did like this. He was making a motion every time Jimmy Johnson made a lap. But Jimmy came off two, gotten some dirty air, lost it. But then later in the race, he came up on somebody like he had no eye. idea he was covered on his outside. And you just don't want to see the greatest to ever do it out there making mistakes and looking human. But you know what though? Because he wasn't human.

That guy, that shows you how challenging it really is when he comes, you know, to drive these cars. That shows you how good these guys are. Jimmy Johnson, one of the greatest, he would spin out and come right back to the front. And that shows you how tough this sport is. And I don't care. Jimmy went and raced indie cars. Fifteen years ago, you know, 2010. if you said, hey, Jimmy's going to go run an Indy car for two years at some point, would be like, you're crazy, he's never going to do that. We did it. And now he's back, and he wants to drive these cars.

He owns the team. I don't care if Jimmy wants to run three races, ten races of Jimmy Johnson. He's going to do what he wants. It's no secret that Legacy Mother Club's obviously struggling. And I imagine a lot of it, or some of it may have to do with them switching manufacturers next year. They're not necessarily a priority right now. Do you see him doing better next year when he has more support?

I mean, I don't know what his plan is as a driver, but I mean, Freddie and I talked about it, Casey, before the race. And he's like, man, how much do you think Jimmy Johnson is going to struggle here today? He's not been in these cars. It's a 600-mile race. I mean, obviously, to TJ's point, it's a challenge. It's not what it was when he was the best out there. And he's not what he was when he was the best out there either.

But, no, I mean, look, does he run better next year if he runs this race with Toyota? I don't think so because I think that he's got too much of an uphill battle in terms of what he's got to learn to be competitive. Now, can he go out there and have fun and garner sponsorship? 100%, as he should. Can he go out there and be competitive? I don't think so. Let me ask you this. If he runs in his Feeney race, is he competitive? Yes. Yes, if he's in good cars. Yeah. So if he got... There's three or four teams. If he got into a college car one race,

is he run good? He's competitive. Yeah, because he's more of his wheelhouse. More of his style. I don't think this, I don't, and I don't think anybody's going to go, yeah. You know, is Jimmy Johnson the greatest? Well, you know, he ran them three races that year in 2020 and suck. Like, nobody cares. It's not going to tarnish his legacy. I'm just like, why are you doing this. I'm glad he's back having fun. I watched Terry Labani, Bobby Labani, All them guys that were freaking champions, phenomenal race car drivers,

and Jimmy's not any crappy equipment, don't get me wrong, but like you watch those guys just fade away. I mean, Darrell Walter, missing the Coke 600, and then he's buying Carl Long's ride to get in the race. Like, why, dude, you got 84-cup wins and three championships? Because it makes him happy. Why? Because he wants to.

Listen, we've had this conversation about multiple friends that don't need to be doing racing what they're racing. But that's what they know, man. It's an addiction. If he's not racing, He might be at home wishing he was there. I'd rather him be at the track. He's going to be there.

But you know what I'm saying, though? I mean, I'd rather he's involved. I don't care what Jimmy wants. So you can do what he wants. I mean, when Jimmy bought into this legacy motor club, I actually was hoping that like it was him and Dale Jr. I was hoping that was going to be because you hear legacy, right? You think Richard Petty.

You think Jimmy Johnson. You think Dale Earnhardt, Jeff Gordon, Tony Stewart. There's not many legacy race car drivers in our world in my mind. But I think of Dale Jr. is a legacy guy. So when he named it that, I was like, man, maybe. because we all want Dale Jr. to be a Cup Series owner, right? And it ain't a secret. Everybody does.

Yeah. So, I don't know. Anyway, Legacy Motor Club, I was like, man, maybe this is, maybe this is it, but it wasn't. All right. All right. All right. We catch up on all things dirt. And I would like to start this off by giving a shout out to Casey Cain, who won.

Yeah. Hussitz or whatever. At Hussitz and the 410. So congratulations to him. Was it outlaw raise or no? Oh, no, it wasn't. No, it wasn't an outlaw. It was a local show.

Because he's been trying to get a world outlaw. Nope. Nope, it wasn't, but he, it was on. Big win. He needed that, though. It was great. Really, really great. That's good. I've seen our buddy Nick Hoffman won his first World Outlaw late model race. That was early. I feel like that was a month ago. I feel like this is the longest weekend of my life. Two weeks, man. It was like, yeah, two weeks is right. But I think he was early last week. I really, I'm a big fan of Nix. Is he running that tour full time? Yeah, I think he's running outlaws full time. Yeah, he's been pretty competitive here lately. So. And if you are headed to St. Louis this weekend, obviously the NASCAR race, you can't miss it. That's the best. But they, that area has fans set up for a week of incredible racing. I think you have high limits on Wednesday. Thursday is Extreme Outlaw, Midget Series on Dirt Vision from Tri-City, Friday and Saturday, Wayne County. Chad will be, I think,

the Thursday, Friday, Saturday one so make sure if you guys are there, say hi, send me a picture so I know he's actually working, but don't do that. If you, I mean, you never know these days, I never see him, so he'll be gone for a while. I saw one video of these guys fighting, like Schuart and Bill Rose.

Yep. Yeah. It was at the out-law race. Logan. It looks like they wrecked. Yeah, Bill Rose looks like. In the video I'm watching right here, Bill Rose is trying to kick a shit.

out of somebody. Who's the guy that fought Aaron rights or whatever? Oh, that was Wilson maybe. Greg Wilson? I don't remember the guy's name. He was boxing pretty well. Why are they fighting for?

It looks like he wrecked the hell out of him. It happens. But man. How did Milbridge go last year? The spotter for Jimmy Johnson tweeted, and I don't know this guy. He said, when is a team,

loses a team, but sometimes a spotter, which in this case was me, just sucks. I would say he took responsibility for that one. And it looked like it on TV. Jimmy, he looked like you looked like he had no idea

he was covered outside. That's definitely not a fun thing to have. Not ideal. That's not fun to position. Some drivers say you don't even need spotters anymore. The cameras are so good. So maybe he didn't have one of those. I'm going to go ahead and tell you as quick as that guy

backed up in these last month or he better. Well, it's easy. You don't need a spoter when there ain't nobody behind you. Jesus. That took a left quick. Take it right and get us back on track, Casey. My bad. I have,

I was not expecting that one. jing hung his balls way out there on that comment wow i'm just messing with it i feel bad i love i love but i can't watch it right i feel i know man it's so you're like who's that damn really again like that's what it's like when i mean it should be coming to normal but yeah well on to better topics uh don't forget milbridge this tuesday wednesday tuesday thursday had the boat cars do at millbridge last week. Take a drink. He said Milbridge.

Two seconds. Or two second places. No, two second places. How did Jesse do? Jesse crashed. Oh, man. He raced. He won't, or he led 20 laps, got spun by somebody I won't mention.

Boy, Byron? No. Did not. No, wait. Chase, was Chase there? I did watch Jesse Love interview where he wasn't too happy. He was not thrilled. Oh, that was a late-mal.

Oh, that was a late-law. And those cars, I mean, they were shout out to Chad. I guess he does work sometimes. I got so mad when I couldn't watch that race. Oh, okay. Seriously. You guys are the idiots of the week, though. Go ahead.

How many times have people asked you, and me, I asked you to come to Milbridge last week. And y'all don't even show up. So Wednesday, I truly wanted to come. But when you have three kids, you will learn that there's a lot going on. It ain't a whole just piece of gold. She has their answer will at one. And it's true. I mean, it is a lot.

Whatever. You have help. Freddie was probably passed out drunk somewhere. Shout out. Shout out to everyone who did come to Millbridge. I know I met a few DBC listeners. So thank you guys. It was a great meeting you all.

And you three sucked. Sounds like it was just an appearance for you. Paid appearance. Yeah. While I was babysitting. Reaction theater. This should be good this week. Just witnessed the greatest.

Spectacle and racing in the Indy 500. Throughout the entire race, I was able to message my friends, Snapchat my friends, check Twitter to see what's going on with the Coke 600 this afternoon. But when I go to a truck race at any speedway with a 10th of the fans, I cannot get on my phone to even send a text message. I think NASCAR needs to do a little bit better. Look, I'm all for this guy saying this. NASCAR needs to step in and have certain requirements on the technology side for fans,

just like they do have certain requirements on the safety side for drivers. It's amazing that 300,000 people were in the same spot and their phones worked. I was getting texting messages all day long from people that were at the racetrack in Indy. And in Charlotte yesterday, if I wasn't on the spotter stand, my phone didn't work. And this is how you promote, how many pictures. What, Casey, what is that Twitter handle? It's like Indy 500 picks. How many of those pictures did you see pop up yesterday?

or just Instagram videos or like friends that are there. Like that's how you get your name out, like your product out there is people sharing it. And to your point, nobody could, I don't see many, like a couple of my close friends that are here that live in Charlotte. I know we're at the race and I've seen some stories. But you can't, the reason why you don't see it is because you can't take a picture and send it.

No. You can't do it or a video and send it. Like unless you have some kind of Wi-Fi, which is the only way you get Wi-Fi is on the roof with us or if you have a media pass or if you know somebody at all or. I used the fans first one. It was phenomenal. And it was fast.

Guess who owns North Walesboro? Not me. The same people who own Charlotte. So invest in that property. Was there a fans first yesterday? I didn't. I found it at one spot and I was near the main entrance there. And it did get on fans first for a high minute, but I went 100 yards the other way and it was over.

They can fix it. It just requires an investment. And these tracks, when they sign that dang 10-year TV deal, they get made tens of millions of dollars. Like, spend the money, make our venues awesome. and everything revolves around. It's free promotion. Everything revolves around social media and you get to do that.

You have to have connection. It's your number one marketing tool on day of your event. Yeah. It's Denny. Fuck you. Holy fuck. Come, I'm going to be hung over tomorrow.

Holy shit. 59 racists is playing the last one. Fuck me sideways. Thank God that losing streak is over. Even Mickey Mouse, years got wrecked. Hell, he might even get suspended. I sure,

so according to historic data or data or data or whatever the fuck you guys say, I don't know. I'm going to be fucking over tomorrow. You guys have a great day. What a screw him sideways, me?

Who the hell's Mickey Mouse? That way. That guy. He lives in Orlando. Who got the Mickey Mouse win? I'll say that. Yeah, Bowman, I think. Or no.

Oh, no, it was an experience of everyone. No, I think it was Kyle. It's Kyle said it about somebody. Or maybe it was when Stenhouse won to Firehunter. I could have swore it was like Chandler Smith or somebody that said it. I don't think it was Chandler. Zane won that race. It was.

Zane won the race and somebody said it, but whatever. No doubt in my mind, Denny deserved it. He's always b-ching about somebody else rubbing on him. He doors chased and he thinks it's all good. He deserved it. Hey, listen, you can find what you feeling like that. I just hope you don't cry tomorrow when Chase is suspended. I don't think bumping into somebody warrants getting right weird.

No, I mean, I just said it on here a hundred times. It's never, that's the worst thing you could do at a race track. We had a start. We didn't get very far before the rain hit. And it soaked my bits. The track got dark. We still race the car. We didn't hit halfway

So we got to stay three days Because When it rains in Charlotte, it rains forever Don't want to lose the track all together Said we need to start a vortex D.W. and Bennett it, and that's the trick. Now there's raining more than ever We've still got to race to the checkers.

Let's give the field for the umbrellas. Let's all race with an umbrella Ella, Ella, Boogie. T.E. Last raced with an umbrella. Ella, Ella, Boogiety. E. Boogie.

That's clever. That's a good one. Did you guys know the person that invented the umbrella was going to call it an umbrella, but he hesitated? You're an idiot. Where'd you come out with that one? I just got that. It'd take you along enough.

Abby. Did you get that? She's not paying attention. She tuned you out three hours ago and you called her that girl. Well, that's what I do. You know, that guy. Oh, don't forget to leave an audio message 24-7. Just head to anchor.fm.

slash doorbooker clear. Andrew and bartender Ben will keep picking the best ones each week. Just me. No more, Ben. Bart-turn to Ben has disappeared. Where do you go? He go. Damn, I like Ben.

He's still working with 30 Mel. He's not on this show anymore. What's the other one? Speed Street. Oh, that's cool. So we lose more people to other. That's cool. It's like they tell the social media people, hey, don't promote DBC.

We don't want DBC to be bigger. No, yeah. They're definitely in the download. That's what I think is a conspiracy inside of the company. God forbid we get a pin tweet. It may even be starting Adele Jr. Yeah, God forbid we get a pin tweet or get tagged. Like a retreat.

I can even get a tweet. I can even get retweeted on this fucking account. If we were going to get support before, we're definitely not going to get one. Brett, we try to tag you, but your account doesn't allow. You can tag me to be cat tag. Yeah. I'm kidding. Are you, though?

No. Let's move on to AskDBC. Send in your questions on Twitter each week using hashtag AskDBC. This first one is from Stephen. In what order would you rate the three races from this weekend in terms of entertainment? Wow. And what was the best part of each? That's Stephen Stephen?

I assume he's talking about the main race, like the Monaco, Indy NASCAR. NASCAR, Indie, Monica. Monaco's last. Like, Monaco six lapsed out. It didn't even third. The best thing about Monaco is honestly, the pre-race when the guy walks, they get, what's his name, the old driver? What's the guy?

That guy? The grid walk. He's so important. Do you know his name? No, that's what I didn't. It's not my story. It's an old driver, but did you see the Red Bull guy, like, shoe him away? Like, they have a big bodyguard guy, and they're the guy's like, he cussed at me.

He's like, get the. Speaking of a big body guard. The Red Bull guy. Oh, come on, man. No. Do you not new names at all in anything? Dude, this guy doesn't have any. But no, I think, and I think, don't quote me on this, I think his name is Stan.

How the, does that one body, that one security guy know where to be all the time. He was in the middle of all to know a deal. He knows what he's doing. in the middle of the Bubba Eric deal yesterday. He was probably like a former Navy SEAL or something. Those guys are serious. Somebody told me his name was Stan, I think, last night. Stan?

Stan the man. Stan knew what he was doing. He was ready for. Stan's a big dude. I ain't, I ain't. Yeah. Okay, so then Indy Car, Indy 500, there's Coke 600. I mean, I want to say Indie Coke 600 and Monaco, but I just can't because that Coke 600

was phenomenal. I mean, it was eight hours long, it seemed like, but it was truly, Like I was afraid that the Coke 600 blew its wad in stage one because it was so good. And stage two wasn't quite as good as stage one. But stage three and stage four were phenomenal. So I'm going to tell you what I'm going to do. I'm going to change my mind. I'm going to go with a NASCAR race first because the entire race was great.

I only thought half of the Indy 500 was great. So NASCAR, Indie, Monaco. I'm going indie, NASCAR, and then Monaco. Freddie? He already told you. Oh, yeah. There was a dirt race. Keeping on hard.

Wasn't it an outlaw race Sunday night? Get your glow on. There was. I would put that in front of the Monaco race. Stick on the ice. We got to get back in the game. Watch this guy, Brett. At least I show up.

All right. This next one is from Jill. Occasionally. Chill. Double header days. What do you all do to keep your heads in the game? And do they at least give you snacks? I imagine this is really for Redmond.

We had a double-headed day at Talladega one time. And we ran the Cup race first. And then we ran the Xfinity race. And I had Elliott Sadler. And then I had Trevor. Bain and that one was tough like I mean you're talking plate racing for freaking 800 miles or whatever I was that they told that one was hard that one Daytona was bad hot I got on the radio yesterday and Bruce is like I'm sure you're exhausted I was like Bruce I'm really not I mean I'm not

working very hard up here it's just I'm pushing a button the hardest part about yesterday was the constant packing your stuff up and taking it down the stairs like six different times and then I just left myself downstairs at some point yeah and then not the most frustrating part is not having a place to actually go. That is frustrating at some points. Yeah. Thankfully Charlotte had somewhere we could go hang out yesterday. Yeah, that was nice.

It's nice to be treated like humans. Thanks to our friend snacks-wise. Our friend Ken took us to the Speedway Club about 20, 30 of us. Spotters had a nice lunch buffet to get us through the day. Herschman. Basically, you can't, I don't know how Herschman eats this much. He's got a problem. I watched Herschman eat 13 pounds.

13 pounds of crab legs one day. Wow. It took six hours, but he did it. It's just... Do you know how hard it is to hang out with a guy who takes him six hours to eat and you're drinking beer? Like...

Hirsch, you're done yet? Hirsch, we've got to go. Hirsch. I ate 10 chicken wings and had 47 beers and he ate crab legs. All right. Let's move on to What an idiot. I know we've already mentioned a few.

What an idiot. Who else? There's a bunch. I'm going to give mine to, this isn't going to be a surprise, but hopefully it's going to surprise you why. I'm going to give mine to Chase Elliott, and here's why. He ruined his day yesterday. He ruined his spotter's day.

He ruined his pit crew's day. He ruined his sponsors day. He ruined his car owners day over the fact that he got mad. All he had to do was maintain his composure, go into the next corner, move Denny out of the way with us, what you want to do and keep going. He did not hit the wall hard enough right there to make him finish dead last. He chose to finish dead last after he left reared.

I'm sorry, took a left and right reared Denny Hamlin. So he's not winning it for how he wrecked him. He's winning it for the fact that he let his mental fortitude be so weak in that moment. He's our most popular driver. He's a champion. He's a phenomenal race car driver. And we just don't need our guys doing that. Agreed.

T.J. Got any idiots? Ah, man. This week has a list of them. But anybody, right after that wreck. Which wreck? the 9 and the 11. The amount of justifying it with like, it's unreal.

Like you're saying fans justifying it? Justifying it. Seeing, flipping it, like, we weren't even a part of that wreck. Yes, you were. I read it on Twitter. Yeah. Yeah. So how you justify that.

It's like you're looking for the littlest thing. And how you can get that out of that just. I mean, it used to amaze me, but I guess now it shouldn't. But like, it's unreal how a guy that's not even involved in it. Oh, well, you hooked him into the 11. No, no. I mean, it's just like, listen, and you see this across all walks of life, sports, singers, you know, if you're a fan, fandom is real and you don't want to think the worst or you don't want to think that your person that you're a fan of can do the worst possible thing. but it's just, I had to agree with you because it was one of my other, I'm giving myself one yet this week,

but the amount of people that just the response was just, well, Chase would just never do that. Well, guess what? He just did it. You know, like I get it. You love Chase. Chase, for whatever reason, has the biggest following in the sport right now. I want people to think about reverse the cars here. Oh, God.

What happens? Oh, they terrorized in his house. Yeah. Like it's just... What is the difference? I mean, there's a difference. I looked at somebody tweeted about... Obviously, I was getting mentioned in a bunch of stuff last night

because of the Bubba, you know, relation to it. And it was just like the amount of people that were saying... Look, look like screenshots of the Bubba doing it. And then... Whose phone's going on? I don't know. Oh. Oh. Bubba doing it got like 2,000 replies.

And this one got like 300, you know, because it's just the amount of people that... I'm going to go and tell you. I had to block somebody on social media not too long ago because I actually chose to respond to something, a message that I got. And the guy was justifying Chase in Bristol when he just messed up and got into Joey. He was blamed us for that. And I'm like, this guy, I don't know why I did it because I knew what I was arguing with. And there was no, like, he was basically. I'm going to tell you it was fun.

Pick a random thread, preferably one of Freddy's, and go troll a troll. That's what's fun. It's on Twitter. And listen, let's clarify something. This is not all Chase Elliott fans. There's many, many Chase Elliott fans that are in my timeline going, yes, I'm a huge Chase Elliott fan and Chase screwed up. That was intentional.

He should be suspended. But there is a select delusional few that I enjoy torture. Yeah. Well, literally blaming us for that. There is a narrative going around, whether I see it on Reddit, I see it on Twitter, that we don't like Chase Elliott. And I think Chase is funny. I think I've seen.

I've seen him around with obviously he hangs out Bubba and Blaney. Like, I have nothing against Chase. I think Chase is great for our sport. I have a lot of respect for how Chase came up racing and late models and how he, his path and everything. I have, I don't think any of us here have anything against Chase. There's no reason for us to dislike Chase. We just have to take the devil's advocate to decide where everybody tells us how great

he is and this is another perfect example of he would never do something like that. Or it was Brad's fault or Denny deserved it. Like, okay, what, but you're wrong. I'm sorry. Every once in a while, the truth hurts. And this is one of them instances. where Chase is 100% wrong and he deserves whatever crime, whatever penalty fits the crime.

Do the crime and do the time. That's what mom always said. It doesn't matter what the drivers are. It really doesn't matter who's in it. But it does to the fan base. Yeah, but it shouldn't. It shouldn't matter this accident, no matter who it is. What are it?

Dale Jr. had fans like that too. Yeah, it was a lot of fun. Here's what I'm wondering though, and I know we've got to move on, but Dale Earnhardt had a moment in his career where he wrecked Terry Labani at Bristol. And man, when he got out of that car in Victory Lane, there was 100,000 people booing him, and they booed him and started not liking the intimidator,

started not liking the most popular guy. Listen, Bill L.A. might have won most popular driver. I'm telling you right now, Del Earnhardt was the most popular driver. Bill just had more people that were willing to put stamps on envelopes and send him in. I'm wondering if Chase doesn't get booed from this, if Chase doesn't lose his fan base from this.

If Chase would have done this to William Byron or pick a fan favorite, somebody else at the fans like, Kyle. No, but the fact that he did it to Danny and Danny's already one of the guys that gets booed weekly. Why does, why do people not like Denny? I could. Can we do a focus group? He said a lot of dumb.

He's outspoken. He's outspoken. I'll pay each fan 20 bucks. We'll hold a focus group after the podcast. We can do it right here. Get a case of beer and sit around. And I want to hear valid reasons of why do you not like Danny Hamlin? He has said a lot of things that are questionable, but he's not afraid to speak up.

It turned for the worst when he got, when he wrecked Chase at Martinsville. That was probably the turning point. When you got it, when you get out and say you were getting hit when no one's even within three car lengths of you, that doesn't look good. And that, that doesn't look good. But I mean, but I enjoy people that aren't afraid to speak out. I mean, I'm glad Denny's been good for the sport. He's great for the sport. Well, before we had in DBC picks, I do want to give a shout out.

I know we didn't talk about things to the history, he said a ton. But a shout out to Junior Mother's Sports and Justin Allgaier seven years for the seven cars. So he has now won an Xfinity Series race in seven straight seasons, which is now a record by a non-full-time Cup series driver. All I'm going to tell you about Justin Allgaier is if you ever get a chance to meet him, he is genuinely one of the nicest people in a garage. He will make time for you. He'll have a conversation with you like your old friends. I hadn't seen him since the outback at Watkins Glen last year. we talked for 15 or 20 minutes.

Just a genuine good dude, right? And listen, there's a lot of genuine good dudes in here. Tyler read it yesterday. I texted him a picture of Bodie standing by the Jumpman car. And he said, hey, bring him by the hauler in 20 minutes. I want to say, hey, he'd never met Bodie. There are some genuine good dudes in this garage, and I'm going to take a minute to give Justin a shout out for being just that.

Obviously, a good race car driver. Personally, I think he has a talent to be in the Cup series. Just the way that his path worked out and where he ended up in Cup. He was with a bad team with old equipment and slow cars. So again, really good dude. Congrats to them. Congrats to JREM. A year ago, they were flying at these mile and a half.

Obviously, new rules package has come along and they're not doing that now. So congrats on getting back to Victory Lane there, Justin. We're proud of you. We wish it had been the DBC car, though. Yeah, I'm still holding that grudge. Yeah. Let's move on the DVC picks. Congratulations, Brett.

You won with Ricky Sandhouse. Hello. We are now picking for Gateway. Freddie, you are up. Damn, Freddie. once. Seems like a good week to pick old Danny Hamlin. I will pick Blaney. You the asshole.

Love you. That's who I was going to pick. Guy ain't won in 57 races. Now you want him to go back to back. Ride to Blaney train. Man, I was going to say, Briscoe sat on the polar last year and had a tire to go flat, but I can't. I'd pick him without you.

I cannot go down that path. I think, man. I think he's on my, oh yeah, there he is. Yeah, I really. Who did you pick, Brett? Who would you pick head to head? Briscoe or Harrison Burton right now? Head to hit.

Briscoe. Okay. Let me tell you something. For as slow as Briscoe's car, it seems like it's been the last month or so. Dude, Zrovis. He finishes in the top 20. That's what I'm saying.

His pick crew is phenomenal. His pick crew gets him a bunch of spots every time. And they figure out how to manipulate. the race. So I looked up one time, like he was literally the first run was I thought he was the slowest car. I didn't recognize his car. And I'm looking at,

the 78 passed him on the first run of the race. And then I looked up at the end and he's running 11th on a restart. I was like, unbelievable. They did that last year. They stole points in the playoffs. Like they do a very good job of making a lot with a little at the moment because they are struggling. I'm going to, I think I'm going to go with, um, this guy's been kind of,

I didn't have a greatest week there, but I think he's going to get it turned around. I'm going to go with Ross Chastain. That's a good one. I couldn't pick him. He's already grayed out for me. Man, y'all, I think I've blown through a bunch of good picks here. I wonder if Josh Barry will be driving this weekend. Who do you think?

Well, he's in Portland. I mean, they have to bring him back. AJ did Portland and St. Louis last year. They'd have to bring him back. This is a good track for AJ, too, I feel. I feel like this could be a good run for AJ. Well, who would they bring instead of Josh? I would think Josh is the only option,

and you would just have a truck driver, like Enfinger or Hosevar or somebody. I'm scared to pick Chase Elliott. So this happened last year. Who did they put in a car? Ben Rhodes practiced the car at Spire. Didn't he? He run the race.

Yeah, he practiced the car. Remember he? For Collie? He crashed. Yes. Yeah, he got in the college car and crashed it. Yes. The only thing we don't want you to do here is crash it.

Gives what he did. Drove it was Ben Rhodes or Zane Smith? No, Zane ran a race. I don't remember who it was. It was Ben Rhodes in a college. car practiced it for a j um man i don't know let's uh let's go with somebody who i think's fast everywhere tyler reddick i like it Tyler don't let me down well what can we expect from gateway this weekend fun that was the best race I went to all year in terms of the atmosphere and

environment outside of the track the concerts um the speed stage being back the traffic flow pattern was great. Maybe it was phenomenal. If you're in the area, this is an event worth going. That's the thing, man. Make it a phenomenal experience. And people will come. Look at the Indy 500.

Same thing. The fans were lined up. I think the racing there. Casey actually is good. We saw a lot of drama play out on the track, obviously with Denny and Ross. And who else with Ross? Lugano and Ross, we had all kind of problems.

I'll tell you what, ain't good there. The spotter stand. The location is crap. The angles are crap. What you can see and can't see is crap. So expect to hear a lot of complaining out of those guys this weekend. Well, we actually,

We actually got, they have given us a second location to, yeah, because that's what you want. That's what you want is two spotters at a mile race track. You don't have to have two spotters, but you don't have to have somebody go and check in in one of the locations. If the tent isn't there in one and two, the stage was the issue of one and two. Whatever that was one and two,

the tent was turned four. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right. Yeah, if the stage doesn't block that in one and two, we're okay. Yeah. We'll see. I'd also like to congratulate Ross, because I think that was the first time you actually said his name the entire show.

And I think we've mentioned him in a topic. What happened to them? Do they have damage? They were slow. Ross was fighting. He couldn't get into the corner. He said in an interview that his car was bouncing like basketballs and just sliding around. Yeah, he couldn't get into the corner.

He'd just let you go. He wouldn't even a... The way he was racing, I thought he had damage. No, clearly they missed it. 99. They got a lot of speed everywhere, too. Surprised by that. 99 had damage.

No practice. No qualifying. Big deal. Big deal. I saw that all year. And he stayed out of trouble. Well, it's easy to stay out of trouble and you can't race. 20 miles and hour slower.

Go ahead. You'd be surprised. Yeah. What? Can't forget out about our Dirty Mo Media Bracket Challenge. I think it's TJ versus Freddie in the final four. We've got Bubba and Kislauski. Get you, some, he said.

And Byron versus Bowman. Byron Should be interesting Byron and Bubba That's your two winners Guess we'll find out I think you're wrong I just can't wait

If we do win Whoever we're matched up with We gotta race him at Sonoma So that would be Oh Bubba's great there It's one of his best tracks I remember you drive a 43 car And he spun out three times

The same lap That's not true He had the motor blown Before turn four And that 43 No I think there was a 23 I think I think it was the first year in the 23.

I'm going to miss going to Sanoma. I will say that. I am going to St. Louis this weekend. I'm excited about that one. Dude, that's Sonoma race. I know it was a 23 because remember it was a year to because I went down and got a bunch of beer and was sitting up there with you idiots drinking the whole time.

During the race. I remember that. All right. Well, thank you all for listening. Don't forget to catch DirtVision. You can watch our show this Wednesday, along with tons of other racing content. And check out.

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