Door Bumper Clear - 294. Gateway & Graham Smith: Professional Party Planners

Episode Date: June 5, 2023

After a long weekend of racing, the Door Bumper Clear's Freddie Kraft, TJ Majors and Casey Boat welcomed VP of US Legend Cars Graham Smith to recap all of the action from Gateway Motorsports Park and Portland.This week Spot on Spot Off, the table talked through Phoenix Raceway's renewal 2024 championship race, Corey Lajoie subbing in for the suspended Chase Elliott, Jeb Burton’s post-fight comments to Chandler Smith after the NASCAR Xfinity Race in Portland, and the handful of brake rotor failures on Sunday at Gateway. Plus, Graham Smith shares stories of bus racing, demolition derbys and the time he and Bubba Wallace became the first two people to "unofficially" test the Roval. Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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I'm T.J. Majors. Spotter the Sixth Cup car only this weekend. Freddie. Yo, what's up? Spotter for Bubba Wallace for all but four laps yesterday. I had, I thank God I did not have Chandler Smith this week. He was in Portland getting in his own trouble. And I had Matt Mills in a truck race.

What's up? Casey. Hey guys, Casey Boat here. I did not spot any drivers. And of course, lovely Brett Gervin decided that we weren't important enough today. But I think that this show might be one of the coolest shows because Freddie, I believe we have a pretty cool guest today. Yeah, we actually ran into this guy at a function in Coda. I think it was, right? And we just started talking about how he He enjoys the podcast. And yeah, so Graham Smith, welcome to DBC. Good to see you.

You picked a great show with Brett not here. So how did you really mean that? Did you really enjoy the podcast? I mean? Actually, I started listening on the later end, and I think at least I can account for the most recent episodes. It's been fantastic. Yeah.

Yeah, I've really enjoyed it. So just talking about, obviously, you are the vice president of business operations at U.S. Legend Cars International. I mean, is that, I used to refer to 600 racing. Yeah. You know, that's basically that you guys distribute all legend cars essentially across the country, right? Yep.

We manufacture and distribute all legend cars from here to all 40 countries that we're, or 30 countries, sorry, 40 states, 30 countries is where we have dealers. But yeah, so. So let's obviously, Marcus Smith's son, we'll start there. We can go ahead and get that out. Yeah, yeah. Let's just get that over with, you know, the hell it is. him now. Let's just get rid of him now. We don't have to mention him the rest of the show.

But like, just talk about like your upbringing, you know, just where you came from, obviously, racing family for your, I'll assume your whole life. Yeah, I'll start off with the kind of like, kind of weird one that I didn't really care about cars or racing until I was about 16. It's my dad's fault. He, uh, well, not that I wasn't into it. I tried racing, uh, banaleros did pretty well. Got myself one win. I was pretty proud of that win. then I tried legend car racing and I can point out a few of guys that are in the cup series now that made me quit. But then I drove a Jaguar F-type R and I was 16 and that part was my dad's fault. And ever since then, I got the biggest speeding ticket I've ever got in my life in the first week of driving that car.

And, uh, well, you got to tell us how fast it was. I mean, you can't just say that and not say you weren't doing like a 30. So I got caught. Is the sexual limitations run out on this? I got caught at 55 and a 35. I can assure you that I was going significantly faster than 55. So I don't know if the guy's radar was broken or what, but I looked down at, but he said 55, I was like, thank God.

You're right. That's exactly how fast that was going. You're right, sir, absolutely. When Jack would tell us about getting speed tickets and the officer would be like, oh, I got you at, you know, 95. And Jack would be like, oh, I was already, you got me when I already slowed down. Yeah, I hit the brakes before that, buddy. But no, I got into, I got into cars and racing.

I think cars become a complete and utter obsession for me as of the past like a few years. Just I'm 25 years old and I've owned one at a time. I've never owned more than one at once, but I'm on my 13th car. Jesus. Yeah. So I have a bit of a problem. I was going to say a little bit of impulse. Yeah.

Well, it's like, oh, that one's pretty cool. I could probably trade this in for that. And then I got that one for two, three months and then I'm bored again. So you own them all different times. You don't own 13. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't own all 13 at once.

I don't have that kind of money. That's, uh, that's interesting. I mean, there's no, I mean, you might drive by a car later day and yeah, maybe. Maybe. I actually don't own a car right now. Oh. So what's that? Who's the, who's a car? Barron that one. Barron that for God. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's car. No, I'm driving company car now, but I was like, dad, it's kind of funny. I'm at the point where I don't own a vehicle. This is weird. So, I mean, obviously you got summer shootout coming one of your, obviously I'm assuming bigger events for you guys. Um, listen to me, legend car racing across the country is blown up. I know my home track Riverhead. They're getting 30, 40 cars a night. They're sending people home, which is rare in the short track world these days. And pretty much any racetrack I go to where there's legend cars at, it's big competitive fields. Bandolero racing also taking off under the same banner, I assume.

Riverhead, again, they have two different classes because they have so many cars there. Just talk about summer shootout coming up. And if I'm trying, if I'm a dad with a kid growing up, like, how do I get into Bandolero or Legend Car racing? Yeah, absolutely. So funny enough, I was talking to Dan Bowdo. Barker from NASCAR. He said it was up a riverhead, said it was just an absolute show this past a couple weeks ago. But yeah, so summer shootout is really the kind of the crown jewel of

legend car racing. It's, it's 10 rounds in eight weeks at Trailmanor Speedway on the quarter mile right there on the front stretch of the Oval. So you get a chance to compete on the same asphalt that all the cup drivers get to go on. And I tell people that these kids treat summer shootout like Rick Hendrick is it's sitting right there in the suite and he's like I want that eight-year-old like that's the one I want when he's when he's ready to drive a cup car that's the one I want so these guys they drive that way and it's really competitive and it's uh it makes for some really awesome racing but yeah if you're trying to get involved I mean look no further than if you're seven years old or older you can drive a bannalero they cost about seven thousand dollars

it's probably the cheapest full cage built race car you can get out of a shop that's making them. They made like an actual manufacturing plant, not just making one of your garage. So then you've got the legend car, which starts at $18,900. And that one is for 10 and up. And our youngest competitor is Keelan Harvick. I'm going to use him as an example because he's 10. And then our oldest, I believe if he's still out there racing right now, it's Nelson Stewart. It's Tony's dad. He has been racing dirt legend cars up, like up in the Midwest, just running them still. So we pride ourselves in having the oldest and youngest competitors. Yeah, you go out to the summer.

I always make it out there at least once or twice. I had to go last year, I think it was, because Tommy Baldwin got suspended for about three weeks, and I had to go take his kids out there. And it's just amazing. And I mean, I remember when I first moved down here, I was obviously helping Bubba. But Bubba would go back and run every once in a while, even when he was running K&N or Cup. Like, he'll go back. And that's where these guys came from.

Bubba, Blaney, Joey. You know, I remember talking about, like, trying to get noticed. I'll never forget. I went back. This is when Bubba was running. And Gray Galding was probably like, seven or eight years old. I race against gray. And he had, he was head to toe like K-H-I, everything, like little professional grain. Didn't he have the donut stuff on this guy too?

Yeah. Krispy cream. Yeah. Oh, it was the best thing I mean. They would always bring Krispy. Like the cup races, this is my, I don't know if you were spotting yet or not. They used to bring, he would bring donuts to every cup hauler down, like walking himself and lay him on the counter. Oh, yeah. Like he was so young though. Oh, he was a kid. Just going out there as a black. I mean, even aside from the racing, you know, you've got bus races and stuff for the kids. You know, there's a guy who hosing down the fans because it's a little bit of warm. I once sponsored a bus race there. Did you?

You know, the guy that we brought up last week, Hovis. Yeah, he actually racing the bus race and I, it's fun. We should get them in a bus race. Oh, I'm absolutely down for that. I am not driving a bus with Freddie and Brett. You know all the crazy ideas. All the crazy ideas that my dad has for the cup race is we actually, the ones that get rejected, just go right to summer shootouts.

That's how we get bus. races and a fire truck spraying fans. It's obviously working well. We, yeah, we can slide in the spotter race somewhere. We were supposed to run last year. I think Collig had a race. Yeah, last year or the year before, and we were supposed to run in it.

But then we both ended up being out of town that week or so. Yeah, I'll bet you were. Oh, yeah. We got to get out of town. Landon, I did a bus demo at Riverhead like an idiot. They set me up, right? So they, I go to Riverhead. It was like an off week or something.

This is only like three or four years ago. And they're like, so. The riverhead, they run, they're selling buses. Obviously, they don't just have this many buses they can tear up. So the first half of the season, they run races where it's a figure eight race or an oval race. And then the second half of the year, when they can destroy the buses, they run demos. So I'm in there about June, August, or June July.

So I don't know, they're like, hey, you want to run the bus race tonight? And I'm like, yeah, absolutely. So I signed up for the bus race and we go to the driver's meeting. And they're like, all right, guys, take it easy on the nose shots today. We want to save as many of these for the next one as we can. And I'm like, no shots. I mean, what are we doing here? You destroyed it, didn't you?

I'm thinking it's a figure eight race, you know. And I'm like, why are we doing? What are we talking about no shots? Who's going to hit each other in the nose? They're like, no, this is the demo. And I'm like, f***. I would rather,

why would you want to do a figure eight and a bus? I did figure eight with my, that's what I grew up race essentially a good demo. You got like, a power is this big. Listen, let me tell you something. I regret. I'm like, how am I going to back out of this?

Like, it's like, I can't now. So then I ended up doing the demo and it was a terrible idea. I almost flipped. Like, because you don't, like, you don't realize,

like, there's three or four guys to do every demo there, you know, they're the ones that get the buses ready. So you kind of, you kind of take it easy on them. You don't go after them because you don't, like they're going to win.

So it's like, yeah, the other guys had their own little race. So me and my buddy, Chris, uh, Lisenki, he,

he was on the other side of the track. So I'm like, I got him. So I'm like, I'm looking over my shoulder. I'm in reverse. so I'm hauling as to the infield trying to back up into him.

Never think that there might be somebody coming from a different direction. And right before I got to him, I was on two wheels because this guy T-bo me. And then that one, the worst shot, though, is when they, if you hit like rear bumper to rear bumper,

don't ever do that in the bus. Because it does not move. I thought my head was going to fall off my shoulder. No, no head rest. No. I'm sure you had a neck brace on. Yeah. So we'll get you guys signed up for the bus race.

Clearly you're very interested. Yes. I'm in. Please. Please. This is a great idea. Let's go to Millbridge and run micros or something. I'd really do that.

The demo version, though, like that's what we need. We'll all raise the bus and then we'll put this whole table in one. Blake will drive. You just have like three like school car, legends cars we can run on the oval. I always tell anybody that wants to drive a legend car. Mine is ready for you to drive. We need three of them.

And one big enough for ready to get in. I saw a cool event. Where was that? Was that downtown Canapolis last? The Earnhardt Outdoors deal? Yeah. Carrier and Hart helped put us together with old armor. That was fun.

I was like taking off, driving off into one of other things. Dude, you saw me take off and take one turn, then my throttle hung wide open. I pulled that thing off the track and said not today. I'm like, I'm not racing. So your throttle hung wide open. Yeah, your car, I'm not driving your car. Well, it's fixed now. It's fixed now.

I did, um, how big is it overseas? Do you still distribute cars overseas? Plenty. Yeah, we, uh, we're big. They road race are there a lot, don't they? A lot of road racing, but you used to be surprised, like, how many people are a quarter mile asphalt oval racing, like in Europe. up. Actually, Australia is a really big market for it. They also, you know, pair them up on the

roadcorses. So do you build the cars and ship them, or they build them there? We do like a kick car a lot of times for those guys. We'll send everything over there and it's like Lego's just putting it together. The car is really simple. It's designed to be simple. I was sitting at the racetrack last weekend during one of those short rain delays. And I was watching a legend's car race from the United Kingdom. You probably, did you see this guy got hooked on a straightaway. Did you see that? I did not see this clip, but I heard about it. Oh my gosh. This guy gets clipped on the straightaway and he goes flying up this bank and I don't know how many times he flips in the air but it was it was the biggest legend's car wreck but the racing was awesome at the road

course like it was really good how like I remember this started it came to riverhead I don't know when exactly it started it came to riverhead probably mid 90s I would say we started in 92 so that's all right so donnie leah donnie leah sorry it was a bad ass of riverhead uh but like is there any do you know how many legend cars you've built and shipped oh yeah you've got I gotta believe it. We are, by the numbers, the largest race car manufacturer in the world. I like to say that. I would assume. But Porsche is somewhere in like the mid-2000s to three thousands out, three thousand is like a purpose-built race car. We are about to hit 8,000. That's crazy. Yeah. 8,03 here in a little bit. Yeah. Is there anybody else building legend cars? Like I don't know if anybody home, like I would assume it's all you guys, right? No, other than the kit car option, the way that we have it worked out is we're the only, we actually have a unique deal with Yamaha.

We're the only non, actually the only people in the world, but the engine deal from Yamaha. They put those engines directly in the bikes regardless of who you are except for us. So they send us the engines directly from the factory. So really, if you don't have the engine hook up with Yamaha, which nobody else does, you can't just build one, like you could build a crazy. I'm sure 8,000 engines probably does a pretty good deal for them. Oh, yeah, yeah, absolutely. And listen, this is like this, to me,

me is modern day what go-kart racing was for me back in the day because there was no you know you between legend cars and bandeleros and then milbridge or you know the outlaw stuff that's that's that's it like back in the day like everybody ran go-carts until they were about 14 15 years old now you you have so many different avenues i mean keelan harvick was a great example he has driven i think everything on the planet so far like kevin is doing an incredible job with him because there's not going to There's not going to be anything that that kid's not prepared for whatever level or avenue he wants to take to start him. But yeah, I mean, just going back to the shootout. Like I know that starts practice, I think, tomorrow, right?

First round of practice is tomorrow and then Monday and Tuesday of next week are going to be our first round one and two. Is everything open to the public or do you? Yeah, the stands will be open. Everything. I think the tickets are really. I mean, I remember being an intern and that's where I spent my summers. Like it is just such a cool experience. If you are a race fan that happens to be in the area, there's,

always a ton of people there, a ton of industry members. I mean, you can go, you can buy a pit pass. It's not like a NASCAR van where you have to have the lights and everything. You can just buy a pit pass, walk around. I suggest you walk around because you'll be astounded. You'll watch a car on the racetrack and go, wow, that guy's hauling ass and they come in and it's a 10 year old kid driving it. You know, and you're like, oh my God. What, you know, so yeah, for sure get out to the shootout next week or if you want to go for practice tomorrow, but definitely the next. And you run 10 weeks in a row? So eight weeks, 10 rounds. So, yeah, I think 4th of July we actually do race.

But yeah, we'll have two double-header weekends, one of which is the first one. I think there's another one mixed in there somewhere. I think it usually is round eight. That's awesome. Well, I appreciate you coming and talking a little bit of legend car racing. Yeah, come by the shop, too. We're in Harrisburg. If you want to tour, I'll give it one to you.

Yeah. Personal. Yeah. But I know you really came for all the fun and excitement that is DBC. So let's kick this off. Let's get into it. I mean, I guess St. Louis. Oh.

Not that I want to talk about it. I mean, I don't think, I don't think TJ wants to talk about it either from people. I got to tell a funny story. So we're sitting there. We run three laps and then went into a two hour, no rain delay. And we're just watching this. We have a clock. We have a link to the clock that is the lightning clock.

And there's 40 of us up there just, or 36, I guess, looking at this clock. And every 10 minutes, it would reset back to 30. And then one time it got all the way to like six and we're getting excited. Like everybody starts taking 30. Oh, son of them. So it just keeps going back. for it. So we were out of me. It was probably two hours, I feel like. How long was the red flag? Anybody know? It had to be just under two hours or right out of it. It was a while.

So TJ says to me, he's like, do you know what's going to suck? He's like, you know, something like, you know, you sit here for two hours and then you end up getting wrecked on the first lap or something. It's like, damn it, I sat there. So then, of course, we run about 20 laps and I hear his car drop a sound. No, it wasn't 20. It was like five. It was right after we I walked out. I said, do you want to know what's worse than getting wrecked the first lap after a rain delay? Dropping a cylinder and ride around for all day long at half Toronto. Oh, man. That was, it was, if the straightaway was like 200 yards shorter, it would have been great. Yeah. I mean, it was, I will say, like, I feel like everything happens in threes, though. Like, you have the light and delay.

Then you have the issue with the technology. Then you have the, what, the track, like the wall breaking. I mean, anything else that happened? Like, like, you have the light and. Like, It always happens in threes, but we got it done. You've never seen panic. Like I heard the voice of the guys on my radio when they did not have their internet connection. I don't know, but you guys were in a different scenario. I mean, I don't like losing timing and scoring, but like it wasn't that big of a deal. Like when they didn't have SMT and all the data to look at, they were going nuts.

I mean, I heard a lot of radio comment. Like I heard Alan telling Corey, sorry, I can't help you hear much. What's okay? Because he's a race car driver. He'll figure it out. You know what I mean? Bubba's like, thank God, I'm tired of hearing about lifting a little bit later. Yeah, I mean, you'll figure it out as a race car driver.

You're going to be okay. I mean, if you think the people have this record complaining, Graham, you probably saw it on Twitter. Oh, yeah. You would have thought that like that car was canceled because I didn't fire Twitter up there because I was afraid of what it was going to look like. My favorite one I saw was worldwide technology raceway. And like they were like, this could not be more fitting. It was just perfect. I feel like maybe it is in three with Casey because I feel like I feel like I'm.

been the gateway twice the powers went out now the internet's went out the TV went out or something so maybe they asked the end of it yeah I don't know but I do think that everyone handled it well as as you know making communication making sure everyone has was communicated what was going on like it was not Fox's fault I know NASCAR released a statement saying that there was an offsite fiber connectivity failure that briefly interrupted is that two words or is that one word what connectivity That's one word. That's one word. It sounded like she said it in two, didn't it?

It was a long word. Oh, okay, Brett. I was just saying. So I think it was kind of cool going back to old-fashioned tracking, but yes, Twitter was pretty hilarious based off of it. It didn't hurt. Like, they kept, the race was not hurt by it really at all. Yeah, they did a great job.

Yeah. In Gateway, like, I thought the facility, the traffic patterns and the parking and the way that just like the way all the fan stuff was laid out was really good man like they have it they did a really good job. Curtis and his team do a great job I feel like yeah I really everything every event I mean I was there for indie car and indie lights and they I mean yeah I mean everything outside of the walls was fantastic yeah the race itself was not but that's not let's get into that no no it's not I mean it's not yeah let's get into that so what aspect do you think I mean besides a few key scenarios when it comes to the car. I mean, what would you think should have changed?

I think that I'm not sure why they didn't. I guess it was because it was just over a mile, but we definitely probably should have brought that newer short track package there. Just, you know, make the guys have talked about the cars are more on edge. It's a little bit harder to drive with that package. So, you know, obviously I know it's a quote unquote short track package and this was, you know, over a mile. But, you know, I think that package would have blended itself a lot. You know, we run it at Phoenix in this place, you know, was kind of similar there. So I think that would have helped a lot. It's just, it was, you know, you know, or I don't know if you do know, you only ran. It was really hard for you to pass. But it passed some cars, though.

It was, you know, it was just super hard to pass. You could see, you know, you have a restart and guys kind of got settled in wherever they were. I mean, in the beginning, though, in the, on them restart, some of them resarts, I looked, I mean, it was the opposite of the spectrum for me. So I would glance up there. And Larson, they were side by side for a couple of and then restarts a little bit, I thought. Yeah, on a restart. Yeah. But, like, what I don't like is, is they're, like, we're still downshifting in three and four.

Like, sometimes double downshifting. Yeah, not all race. Some guys, I think they quit doing it as much in the race. But if you're going all right to third gear in a corner, I mean, it's just like Martinsville. I've never seen a car. I specifically remember seeing Tyler Reddick just stop in the middle of the corner of Martin's and just downshift and hammer down off the bottom of the corner. like that's i don't know how you're going to have passing when they're doing that you know when

you're stopping in the middle of the corner and you have enough gear you can just downshift and take back off like where's the the you can't tell a guy getting to a good rhythm because they're not i mean you can't it's super hard to spin the tires on exit it used to be 10 years ago you could spin them the entire straightaway at martinsville if you wanted to now there's no they don't fight rear grip like they used to the things are so gripped up and when they have you can literally see the car when they hammered out you can see it just like dig in and take off and i don't like same thing at gayway it's just magnified it's just a bigger a bigger track where they're doing that and and i think the racing is close i think if they could get rid of that if we could take

away some of that because what to me that's just a band-aid for having a bad corner the downshifting right if you have a bad corner you can just hit a gear and go um but i don't know i mean it's just i didn't think the race was terrible i thought it was cool that the track, the lanes moved during the whole race, you know, kept getting higher and higher and higher, which made it good. And then I saw Kyle run down Blaney, Blaney's run in the top and three and four, and Kyle's run in the middle. So it's good to see different grooves come in there. And it's definitely a unique racetrack that has some character to it and could be, it's not the track at all. Yeah, it's, I mean, just we'll talk about watching out TV. Well, I mean, what, yeah,

I mean, like, it's, the track looks super interesting. I mean, given how, how low the banking is and you're seeing the rumble strips there you're like one and two is banked pretty good yeah three and four is kind of flat but seeing like seeing how they approached it it looked a lot more like a wide road course turn than an oval turn and uh it made the car

I mean it really showed off like you're talking about those cars have so much mechanical grip and it's just out of this world um so watching it there I think it definitely uh shows the characteristics of this car even more but um yeah I felt like the restarts the restarts were always exciting granted at the end you had like 15

of them in a row, which made it a little less exciting. But yeah, I, uh, did you notice this? And I actually am cringing thinking about what comments are going to come, but pit road, how narrow it is and how you can only do like, it's really long and narrow. I was listening to Rudy Fugle on series this morning and he was like, if I could change one thing about that track, it'd be expanding or making it wider. I know, about 10 feet. I hear you, Rudy. I know. I was like tempted to not bring this up, but that's something that I noticed during the broadcast, which, you know, they didn't really cover as much. And obviously we had some pit road issues with a crew member getting injured. But I think, you know. You can't say that. What? Not you. I didn't say it. Not you. I'm listening to Rudy's comments. I know. It's literally Rudy. Okay. Listen, and just to touch on that quickly, we talked about that, I think, last week on here. You said it this time.

That makes it wider. But the, you know, the reason why I think why, that didn't get back to go like dissected and much, but the three and the 43 coming to pit road, we talked about last week about if you're following a guy that's in the box right in front of you have to, you have to, you know, leave a car length or so to give your guys. room to run around the front of your car and behind that guy. And I don't think that happened there. And unfortunately, Eric hit his own guy, which I'm sure he feels terrible about. I got a pretty good update last night because he's a Toyota picker guy. So obviously they're all on our plane. And they said he was alert talking to everybody to the hospital. They were running some tests. His crew guys were texting him and stuff. I did hear that unfortunately his backpack had the rental

car keys in it that went to the hospital. So then the guys at the track didn't have rental car keys. So I don't know how they worked that out. But yeah. So, but I think he's doing better. But that was another instance we talked about last week when you're following a guy down. Now you've got to leave room for your guys to get, you know, around there. And it's just a little too tight. So let me ask you that. This goes back and your, your buddy Dennis last week brought up the pit road thing. What do you think is acceptable for the car? If you're in, if you're in the first stall and I'm in the second stall, what do you think acceptable for you to do? To get in your box. I'm going. I'm in front of you.

Mm-hmm. You're a number one stall. What is acceptable for you? And I'm running a second to you. and we're coming down pit road together i think that you know that line that they have there is is a good line you know the the the line there is that's their kind of that's their idea of that orange yeah that orange line that's their idea of what's acceptable or not you know because i think that if you drive four wheels under that line that's so the orange box is my box last week and that's pretty accurate how it was there was all four tires inside my bob yeah At the same time, that wouldn't be, I don't think that's four wheels over the line. Well, there was two warnings given.

Yeah. I don't know why we just give warnings, but I mean, I told you, like, they said it'd have to be pretty bad. Like, you'd have to basically, to me, that was bad. All four tires, like, basically, he could have stopped in my stop and we could have changed his tires. Well, you should have done that. I mean, that's how bad it was. But isn't that essentially what they're trying to avoid causing any, like, injuries for crew members and things like that, where if they're just giving out warnings? It's, listen, they made it clear to us.

in the meeting that it would have to be pretty substantial to get a penalty. They're just going to keep doing stuff like this until they say, hey, you better be close to that line. He wasn't even making an effort to be near that corner of that box. He was in the first stall, wanted a best runoff there. Was he right? Were you guys right behind each other? Yeah, we were following him down. And Danny said on his show, like,

well, you picked right there. Well, that's okay to pick right there. He still has, he's in the best stall, but that's for the exit. He still has a job to do on the entry to take care of others. I mean, it just doesn't mean to get three stalls that are yours. I mean, there is, there is a possibility that the car behind you is running good. And I just don't understand the warning. It's like, hey, don't do that again. Hey, don't do that again again.

When does it end? But that is, to answer your question, that is a not a great pit road. Like for, and we see that a lot like Indy is the same thing. Indy, anytime you get those long, narrow pit roads, you just can't, it's hard to go anywhere. You can't get in your box, can't get out of your box. We saw people in the truck race. I saw one person down to, I'm not going to name any names. but they were lost coming down pit road.

Like, and they're stopping in the, in the drive-thru lane, like looking for their box and you're like, get out of the way. Like, I get it. You're lost.

Yeah, but get the hell out of the way, you know. That's what, like, and that's the truck series because sometimes you get, and it's a shorter track, so you might have somebody, but that is a very challenging pit road to,

for first timers. Like, and if you don't know where this is like any young guy, I mean, I guess the truck series might be the first series where you make a green flag stop. So pay, attention on them pit road runs and in practice where you're at or you know or if you have a practice

and you know where you're going to be that's a big part man you can easily get in trouble there and get your fenders knocked in and get turned if you don't know where you're at or what you're doing so it is a big um especially you to track like gateway whenever i was going over my notice of gateway the first biggest thing was pit road you know so and it's an interesting entry to pit road because you can kind of haul ass through turn three on the apron and then and then get to the speed at the line but yeah anyway Let's head in the spot-on, spot-off. Spot-on, spot-off.

Spot-off. Spot-off. Spot-on. Spot-all. It was super fun yesterday to ride around there. I am spot-off. Damn. Where did he come from?

First topic. Phoenix will once again host the NASCAR championship weekend for all three, Cup, Expendity and Truck in 2024. Graham, spot-on, spot-off. I like Phoenix. I think it's pretty cool. I mean, it's, uh, Not one of our tracks.

So I'm not able to tell people that I love it necessarily. But no, I think it's a cool track. I think it's an interesting. I don't know. I don't necessarily have like a take. I would say spot on just for the fact that I thought the racing there was pretty good last year. I mean, Joey put on a show, but the racing was pretty good. So I don't know.

I like Phoenix. We're going to disagree right off the back. Go ahead. I just wanted to make sure you don't own this place, right? No, I don't know. I don't know any tracks. So, yeah. Your family.

You can match all you want. Yeah, go ahead. I got thick skin. Listen, we talked about this last week. I don't understand why, but we come off of four phenomenal NASCAR weekends in a row. You know, the month of May for us was phenomenal with Kansas, Darlington, North Wilkesboro, Charlotte. All four races were great. The atmospheres were great.

The North Wilkesboro race might not have been the best race, but the atmosphere there was unbelievable. and then we celebrate that by announcing that we're going back to a racetrack for the championship race that Jamie McMurray came on here and said that we haven't had a good race there since 1989 and he's not wrong. So, you know, it's just this package, this car just doesn't lend itself to good racing at a track like that right now. And I don't know why we're not, I mean, there's reasons that are well beyond my pay grade of why we're not doing this. But I feel like we really need to explore different options to, to take the, you know, it's kind of run its course where we've been doing this now for three years and it's the same. I am, uh, I don't mind the racetrack. I'm, I guess I'm, I'm spot on because I do think,

I don't, the racetrack to me, I really enjoy the truck race there. It's exciting at the end. I mean, if you get a late race, even, even Xfinity cars there are great. Like, if you get a late race restart. No, they're, they're fun either because you can, you're not manipulated by the air as much. You can move a little bit and not like in a cup car I feel like you know if we were leading it'd be really hard to get around us I feel like we can make it super hard even even at a even like you feel like at kansas a few years ago and when joey was leading and we held harvicoff who was literally legit four-tenths a lap faster than us we held him off for 45 laps and that was just because we knew where he was going to go we just planned you planned ahead for the corner I mean jolly did a great job

navigating that as well but um I think think Phoenix can put on a good race. I just... When? I just think they need... Jamie Burns that has been since 1989. You need to have more tools and I don't think it's been that bad. I mean, there was one race ended short by rain there that I thought was really great. I knew that race wasn't restart. I was. Since I started raining, I went to my car. I was like, this one's over. We were on the way to the airport after all everything. And it was still raining. So, right. Even Gluck tweeted, even Gluck tweeted like two hours later and said, hey, just you know, it's still raining here. And the fact that it rained in Phoenix, I mean,

when Dale was waiting. Dale turned sprinklers on. He paid a helicopter to fly out of a race track. But, uh, I mean, I think the, I think it can be a good race. I just think the car limits our possible limits the guys. I mean, if you, look, you got to go there and execute though still. Like Joey had to go and execute last year. To win a championship, you got to run the perfect race anyway. You got to go there and have a fast car. You got to go there and have great pit stops. You've got to have great resarts and you can't have anything wrong all day. I mean, you're just not going to win the championship if anything like that happens.

So it's still, you're still going to have those guys battle it out. And yeah, they might not be four wide like a plate race, but it's still, you're still going to see the best of the best, bring their best. And it's just, it's more difficult to pass on them. I just, I'm of the opinion that, you know, you saw, I felt like when we ran Homestead all those years. I feel like the best car normally won the championship, you know, because you could maneuver around. You could run different lines.

You know, obviously it lended itself to some guys. Tyler Reddick busted off two Xfinity championships just because he could run the top better than anybody in Xfinity series at that time. But, I mean, he had a solid. He was going to. Oh, yeah. He was a threat no matter what. But, you know, not saying he wasn't good, but that's where, you know, you could

manipulate things to where you, you know, you could make stuff happen. This car with it, with the, even the last two years, Joey was dominant last year, dominated the race. But if we got a late race caution and Joey comes out of the pits fourth, guess what? That dominant car ain't going to mean for him, I don't think. I think whoever comes out with the lead in a 10-lap shootout is going to beat them because what your car can do doesn't matter because you can't pass. So, you know, I think we just need to get back to a racier racetrack to where if you have a good car,

you're not boxed in by, oh, God, I caught a late caution here and we didn't have the best pit stop on pit road. I know obviously it's a team sport and everything factors in, but if you have the best car that day, you should have a fair shot or a better shot at winning the race versus that came off pit road fifth here, and now I'm basically screwed. I'm never going to get back there. Yeah, I mean, it's definitely maybe we need a 10 to go out of mandatory caution.

Phoenix, no. Coming to the end, I mean, hey, you want to earn it. That would be sketchy. But I mean, Homestead is a great racetrack though. even in 18 when we won that race, it was, we had a great short run car. If the last run of the race was 30 laps,

Trux is going to probably mow us down and pass us. So, but we were just so fast on a short run. And we had a, I think the end, I think the last, last run was probably 15, 20 laps or something like that. And even Kyle,

I mean, Kyle had a great, come out first off pit road. He was actually the running the worst of all the four. Then he catches a caution at the right time. And his picker gets him out first. And he's, been a really good chance to win this race. But it is, Homestead, it's just hard to beat Homestead

as far as a racetrack to end a race with because there's three to four distinct different grooves. There's tire fall off. It's just in, it's Miami, you know what I mean? It's, it's, I mean, we've been, and we've been proponents on here, and this is, I love short track racing as I grew up doing. We were, you know, we said for years, you know, move it to Martinsville or move it to Bristol. you'll see a real show. Right now, I'd rather a mile and a half. I'd rather run a good. I'd rather run Charlotte.

Charlotte would be way better. Kansas, um, Homestead, obviously. Like the mile and a half package right now is our best racing. So I don't understand why we're not trying to trend in that direction for our biggest race of the year. Charlotte's become a perfect mile and a half race for us.

I mean, they're never going to, they're never going to forfeit that championship race to SMI, I don't think. But, uh, just, but, but,

hey, look, the whole thing. here. We've already got the celebratory area set up. Look, just... You guys have also proved that you do it right, too, between Wilkesboro and Charlotte Race Week. We're professional party planners. I mean, by all means, plan my daughter's second birthday.

Can you all plan a better spotter? Oh, I don't know anything about that. That's not really true, because I was standing in a holler on Wednesday with the late-mower race with you and your dad and Dill Jr. We talked about that. Hey, but I wasn't involved in decision. I know you guys gave me when I wasn't here

so I got stuck in the infield right for about 20 minutes and guess who's standing next to me this idiot so he's like he's like I need to get something

really important and I'm like okay what is it and it was the keys it was the keys to the moonshine shack so that was very important clearly it was very important

he ran like somebody so that's why they opened the crossover that thank God Graham was there out of it screwed I had to get some very important materials out of there. You must be the reason why Freddie didn't show up the next day of the podcast. No, I had not to do with him.

That wasn't me. I guess it wasn't me. That wasn't you. All right. It was on me. Speaking of cars, that's all you. Your dad had a really nice car there.

Oh, yeah, the Bronco. Oh, that thing was awesome looking. He's obsessed. That thing is awesome. I think he, uh,

he, so the funny thing about the Bronco, like, just a quick story on that. He sold his last like childhood Bronco, uh, to get my mom's wedding ring. So he told himself like, okay, one day I'm going to have the Bronco.

Not just like go get one and fix it up. Like we don't work on cars. We're not good like that. He's like, I want to get one that's done up the right way. So the first place that he ended up finding one that was really cool is eBay Motors. He ended up doing a really cool eco boost engine swap on it. So it was like a turbo four. It's not like a rally car, but it was a Bronco, which was pretty cool.

And then eventually Icon out in California, he found this really cool blue one. Yeah. But you haven't seen it. It's pretty sweet looking. It's sweet. It's like older. I'm like an older body style, Bronco. It's a 73-ish body style.

But I'm telling you like, you look inside. You could not tell. Oh, yeah, no. No, I just meant it wasn't like the new one that they just came out. No. It's pretty sweet, man. It's awesome. That's awesome.

Yeah. Spot on, spot off. Corey Lejoy fills in for suspended Chase Elliott and finishes 21st. Freddie. Uh, yeah. So obviously going back to last week, we said that Chase probably needed to be suspended and he was you know that's that's part of it congrats on keeping your hard card

I get to keep my hard card they stay consistent and you know listen this was this was Corey's chance and I don't know man I don't know if Corey had some extra nerves going into this or I mean obviously it's a big deal

for him jump in the nine card Napa all over you know Napa team but man he got off to a bad start I think I heard him miss a shift in qualifying then he got in the fence in qualifying, maybe he got in defense twice in qualifying. Then he hits the kill switch to start the race yesterday. So I don't know if it's just, you know, what was going on with that?

If it's just built up nerves or nervous energy or what that was. And obviously, you know, I think he would agree he didn't run well yesterday. But listen, Chase finished 21st there last year. You know, this, and I don't know where Chase ran all day. But when I looked up at the beginning of the race, Corey was in the back, but so was Larson, you know. So it wasn't like they were, it wasn't like the Hensher cars were all up front dominating. and Corey's back there, you know, struggling. But it was a tough day for Corey.

I think he rebounded and ended up 21st. So is what it is not, I think not what he hoped for. Is that really rebounding? Well, I mean, he survived at least. A lot of us didn't survive. So, you know, but I mean, he didn't run 21st all day, I don't think. I think he was definitely a high point. Yeah, like he was high 20s.

Yeah, he was high 20s, maybe 30, you know, early, most of the race I saw. Attrition. I think, yeah, all them tight rotors and stuff. I mean, he made the most of it. and, you know, unfortunately for him and to double down on that, unfortunately, at the same time, Hosevar runs unbelievable in the seven to start a race. I think he was like 16th when he broke or whatever. He was right behind us.

Yeah, I know we loved to, I'm spot off. I kind of had, I don't know, I thought Corey would get in there and just be more of a natural fit and run, you know, top tenish. But seeing, you know, I know we like to bash him, but Carson did a really. really good job and he uh first of all i didn't bring it out of yellows for himself and and things like that but he did a really good job in the cup car adjust into it uh which is i think it kind of helps him that he doesn't have um i don't know me i think his finney car would hurt him because it has a lot of sphinny stars and he gets in his cup car i think he's finney i mean he does really well when he does that when he runs that 77 yeah but he doesn't have a ton of starts in ex finney car but i mean he got in just

seem to naturally adapt to this car at a place where you shift a lot and it's a little more technical than a lot of the mile and a halfs and stuff. So I thought he did a great job. And spot off for, I thought Corey would be top 10ish. Yeah. I think, I mean, spot on for the choice to pick Corey, I think. I think looking like hindsight, if we're looking at how we felt, you know, going into it, I think Corey was a good choice. I think it was also like an awesome PR move. I think like he's a great guy that we've all wanted to see getting to a really competitive car. unfortunately didn't work out for him. But yeah, I'd say spot on for the actual decision to put him in there. Performance itself, you know, was a little less than impressive. But it was, you know,

I was rooting for the guy. I like Corey. I'm happy you got the opportunity to do it. I really, Corey's, I've known Corey since I moved down here. Yeah. My apartment was right across street from La Joy's shop. So I just go over there, feel, fill of fairgrounds days and stuff. Yeah. So I was, you know, I was really pulling for him. Unfortunately, it didn't work out. But, you know, talking about Hosevar, listen, and we do bash him on here from time to time. He's deserved most of the time. He gave a really good interview I saw when, you know, I think it was announcing

or reacting to the announcement he was going to run the car about, you know, realizing he's made mistakes and just trying too hard and making stupid mistakes and kind of owning up to it. And, you know, who knows, maybe we can get him on here one day. Maybe I'd have to have Brett reach out and try that. So now if he says that

though, now he's doing a good job of, I mean, he's running him, spending races. He's went to the back a couple times and drove towards the front. He's done a good job in those venerates, but just can't have any more of those moments where selfish moments, you know what I mean? And that's it. Like you come out and say you kind of own your mistakes in the past and said,

you're going to, you know, I'm going to try and do better from here. But now you can't, you can't go back and just hook somebody next week when you get mad about something. So, yeah, and then just to, you know, close the deal on Corey there. Like, it just goes to show you. And I think Bubba went through this a little bit two years ago. Like, these guys are the best in the world in their minds. You know what I mean? Corey thinks he should be the best driver on the racetrack.

probably, or at least, you know, maybe realistically top 10, top 15, whatever. But, you know, you can't just jump in a fast race car and go fast. Like, Bubba thought, I think Bubba thought when we got to 2311, like, oh, this it's going to be easy now. Like, I'm going to jump in these Toyota's Gibbs cars and I'm going to go out there and win races. And we found out that first year that was going to be a hell of a lot harder than that. And now Bubba has bared down, done the work. And then you see the fruits of that labor this year.

But this is just another awakening for Corey where Corey probably just thought, you know, And I know Corey's not naive enough to think he was going to go out there and win the race, I don't think. But, you know, you have, oh, I'm just jumping this nine car and it's going to take care of itself. And unfortunately, it didn't. Obviously, not a great day for them. The team, I'm sure would agree that their car wasn't as good as it needs to be. I also don't think that Corey was handed, given the best hand at that moment either. I mean, Larson really sucked at the beginning.

But he also has a relationship with his crew chief where they could make the changes just like they did last week. and end up being contentioned for the lead where Corey's coming in doesn't know the team as well, doesn't have the relationship with them. And so, like, when his car doesn't do well, he's probably at the point, too, where he probably does feel the nervous because, I mean, all eyes are on him, which I would do the same thing. But he also probably didn't have the tools to be able to make the adjustments that Larson, his team did to get to that point. I mean, I hear what you're saying, but like, if you look at the other cars, the 24 was up in the top five.

The five got up there and stayed up there once he got there. and he was working his way through the field slowly. The 48 hung around between 7th and 10th most of the day, 12th, and then you got one in the high 20s. Like I would expect this car even on an off day to be in the teens. You know what I mean? And to top it all off for Corey, obviously they weren't great there last year. I don't have to go back and see where they went.

But Corey blew up last year there. Like, I don't know, 60, 70 laps in. So that's, and this is not like your typical mile and a half or mile racetrack that we run. This is, you know, this is kind of a different animal. you're shifting. It's got two different corners. So, and I don't know, I don't know that he's ever ran there before last year. And, you know, obviously he didn't run much truck races. So, you know, so this is, and it's just, you know, everybody else had 300 laps or whatever,

200, 250 there last year and he had 50. So, you know, it's just something else that, you know, just lended itself to not, you know, not the ideal thing. Make so a really cool opportunity for him. Oh, yeah. And hopefully this won't be his last either. I think he's still cream of the crop when it comes to drivers who deserve great rides. one other thing I want to touch on on this moment or at this point with Chase Elliott

obviously serving his one race suspension now yesterday there are talks whether it be RC Austin Twitter you know because they always have some sort of say in this where Austin Cindrick intentionally wrecked Austin Dillon and this morning NASCAR is basically saying that they're going to look at the data data whatever Do they have it? Is SMT working at that point? So, so, so, but this opens a whole can of worms, right? Now, now, any driver who hooks a driver, another driver and has a past beef, so to speak, is that what, is that the protocol now?

Is there just going to look at SMT data? Well, yeah, they need to. Up means left. Yeah. And listen, the TJ's credit, I didn't see it. It was right behind me. I didn't see how it started. And TJ came down to me.

right away and he's like, uh, I think that was intentional. And I'm like, there's no way anybody is dumb enough. So I said that first of all because you said that earlier something was going. They were, they were going at it earlier. And under yellow, I saw the two pull up next to the three. And, you know, they do that when they're not happy with each other. Hey, I don't know what they're waving and thumbs up at each other or something. But you pull up next to it. So you, like, and I was talking to somebody earlier about this, you subconsciously noticed that as a spotter. Like if you see that, you're like, okay, those two guys aren't happy with each other. So you notice when they're together on the track, you kind of, you just, you just focus on that a little

bit more because you think something might happen there. And that was a focus point of what I saw because we were behind everything all day. Every restart we lined up dead last. So I had everything in front of me all day. So I'm watching for things that could happen. And I've seen this happen under yellow. And then they got, when they got together on the track, I mean, I thought it was going to be a run down under the corner and just, you know, run into them a little bit or something.

him, but I saw this happening and not. I don't know. I just said, listen, this was, this is one of my one idiot contenders for the, like, we just saw this last week with Chase. They've set the precedent with Bubba and Chase. This is why I said on here last week that we need stiffer penalties for this because, you know, you see Chase Briscoe gets a, you know, hammered with a penalty for an illegal part. And he ran last.

Illegal Nacaduct that he was slow as shit all day. He loses 25 playoff points. 125 driver owner points. They get a $250,000 fine. And Chase Elliott gets a week off for, quote, unquote, from Steve O'Donnell, intentionally putting other drivers at harm. How can that be, how can Chase Briscoe's penalty be so much stiffer than Chase Elliott's? And I had talked about it on here last week, you know, taking the win eligibility away

or removing your previous earned playoff points. Bob tweeted me or Bob texted me that night or the next day. He had a really good idea. And then literally 10 minutes later, one of the executives from a top NASCAR team text me the same exact idea like they were almost sitting next to each other. They think, and I agree with them, if you do this, you should be suspended for that race, the next race, as well as the first race of the playoffs. Because now you're not adjusting anything that you've earned previously. You're still in the playoffs, but now you've just made it a lot harder on yourself to transfer out of that first round. because there has to be something that hurts these guys.

There's nothing. Chase Elliott did not lose anything yesterday. In fact, it probably looks better that somebody else got in his car and ran 30th all day long because now he says, look, you know, this is what I do. So, you know, this is, you need something to hurt these guys. And the only thing that hurts them is the playoffs. That's it.

What if the guys had a bad year, has a penalty, is a very competitive car, but gets a penalty at the beginning of year. And, you know, and doesn't have a run. at the playoffs and it doesn't really stop him then. Well, it stops the playoff guys from doing it, but it doesn't stop him from doing it. I know what you're saying, but that guy's not going to run all, you know, he doesn't know all year. What's to stop host of our part-time guy coming in here and getting mad at somebody and just

saying, well, okay, suspend me. I'm not even running then. Well, no, nothing. But that's my point. Like, you have to. There's got to be something that says that don't do that. Yeah. And, I mean, obviously there's a, you're going to be suspended no matter what.

We've seen that now. Like, if you intentionally right hook somebody, you're definitely. getting suspended. I just think they need to go a step further because, like I said, Bubba suspension didn't deter Chase. Now Chase and Bubba suspension obviously did not deter Cindric. So now we have to go another step further somewhere and figure out what that penalty is because of Bubba and Chase. What? Oh, I'm saying. Yeah. I thought you meant they. You didn't do it. So, you know, it's just we have to figure out a way to go another step further to, I don't know what it is, but obviously it's not stopping and we can't have guys right hooking people at racetracks. I don't

understand why you'd want to do that first of all like i get it you're mad at the guy but you're talking about one spot on the track or and then on top of that ricky stenthouse what we've talked about on here before mike lehle and that guy's another great run they're in top ten and now he's an innocent victim because austin syndra got mad at austin dillan and he stuffs the both of them in the wall and honestly for austin since austin dillan thank god rickie was there if not he's going to pound the wall head on into one at a bad angle again yeah and it took ricky out like all the way out he was done driving his tail off all day having a great run and those guys didn't deserve that.

No, you know, they've been, JTD's been, I mean, they've been strong lately, man. It's been great to see them

in the top 10. On a similar topic with the track. As somebody on the, hold on one second, I'm sorry. As somebody on the, you know, track side of things,

obviously, you know, if you've got a raid, we're going to Charlotte next week and you don't want to see Chase Elliott suspended. Like where would you sit on something like that? Like when we didn't have them in Atlanta?

Yeah. His home state. Yeah, that wasn't great. You know, I think there's a pretty delicate balance of promotion and safety. And we, dad and I both, I think part of it being because I did race growing up and he raised growing up, you know, granted it was short-lived, but there's a respect for safety on that front. I don't want to see anybody get right.

We were hooked. That's especially traveling at the speeds or traveling. It's something that no one wants to see. And I think you got to make it hurt if you're going to make, if you're going to do something, I think it's a good point from both the all sentence. you have to make it something hurt. Now, what that is, I don't think we're clear, because clearly it's being repeated,

but I know that with legends, like the bare minimum for any unsportsmanlike contact or any sort of unsportsmanlike, if it's words, if it's physical in the pits, it's a two-two-two. So it's two weeks suspension, or two weeks suspension, two months probation,

so you're on their watch list. And then, you know, if you do something with those two months, it could be way worse. and then $200 fine. So that's immediate like, hey, I right hook you on the track. And the first level of that is a two, two, two. Granted, if I want to make it hurt a little bit more because of your repeater offender

and it happens within that two-month span, boom, all of a sudden, it's a three week. It's a three-three-three or a four-four-four. And we try and make it hurt every single time more, especially if it was a repeat offender. I just don't like dog legs, end of the straightaway is worse. Like you said, if Stenhouse isn't there, well, that's a big. hit. Yeah. And, you know, if there's, there's ways to do this, where it's not, like, if you're coming up off the corner and it's getting close to the wall and they kind of, I mean, you can do it on, like, you could have done it off of two real easily there right up against the wall and,

but you're going to hurt your car when you do it. But man, at the speeds like end of the straightaway and dog legs, man, like it almost like Denny gained speed going towards the wall. Oh, that was an ugly one. You know, and Gateway, turn one is a tight corner. Like you, you're, I mean, that's a tight corner. So to get right hook. right there. No thanks. A frustrated Zane Smith after a late wreck with Time Majeski says, I kind of did it to myself staying in the truck series. It's pretty unbelievable how scary some of these guys are. And this is a quote via front stretch. So thanks for that. TJ, spot on, spot off.

I mean, I'm spot off. I mean, that's not, Ty Majeski is a really good driver. And arguably, one of the most talented guys that hasn't been in. you know had much of a shot yet i think you know the guy's been working his way up and he's done it the hard way too he had to take an engineering job and to get a handful of truck races right um you know so i think tie you know accident has happened man i'd rather see this isn't like he just i know it looks like he just went on and ran over him but tie was trying to win the race he overstepped a little bit and and zane's right though this this tends to happen more in the truck series and exfini series it doesn't really

ever happened in the cup series like that, but I don't think tie, I think it's just a racing deal. And I think your strategy, the way those yellows played out also put you in that position as well. I mean, you're on older tires, I think, right? Pretty old tires compared to the rest. So your advantage that you had, he was going to win the race unless them yellows come out. He was going to win. It was going to work.

But the yellows, I mean, the yellows at the end just really heard of it. How do you feel about, you know, we talked about this before, how intense the truck series guys are and they're essentially just running for their jobs. How do you feel about Tye's comments around the truck series overall being too aggressive? You mean Zane's comments? Yep. I mean, the truck series is very aggressive, super aggressive. When you go into turn one at any of these tracks, you're going to be five, six wide half the time and they don't, they don't care. That's kind of what it is.

and whoever, you know, drives down in there and comes out on the other side of the first corner is usually that's track position. So, and they don't care, they'll come off there and both the doors ripped off the truck. And, um, just how it is. I don't, if I was an up-and-coming driver, I would, the truck series is tough. Like, it's just hard to get away. You don't really get a chance to race the track and race the car or the truck. You don't really get a chance to do that. The stages are so short. I think so anyway. But, I mean, how many, how long were the stages? is the gateway. I think 35 laps. Yeah, which is like a short track race.

I mean, you don't really get a chance to settle in and save your tires or anything. At Pocono, we run like eight laps and it's end of a stage. And like, you don't really get a chance to settle in and get to a fuel run or something like that and race and race track and truck. So I don't know. It's definitely a very aggressive series, very aggressive side drafting, very, very, it's tough. When you go into turn one, Martin's anywhere. It's exciting.

Yeah, I'm spot off for the generalization of the entire truck series because there's guys that are really talented in that truck series, Ty Majesky being one of them, you know, Grand In Finger, Matt Kraft. And there's guys that have been around forever that don't race like an idiot. And then there's obviously a group that he was speaking to that do race like an idiot. And I don't, I don't, that's what I'm saying. I don't want the entire truck series to get a bad. I mean, you saw a lot. I don't feel like ties in that group. No, for sure not. You know, now maybe Nick Sanchez,

driving over, running over Haley into three and ruining her day, could be grouped into that. Or, you know, there's guys you know that you can see out there that run super aggressive and probably overaggressive at times. But, you know, to talk about Ty, just, you know, listen, in my opinion, Ty had the best truck all day long. He kind of got behind on track position a couple times.

And got position on Zane going down the backstretch. And I think Ty owned it. I thought I saw a tweet or a post somewhere about Ty. Apologizes the 38 guys because he ruined their day. So, you know, he owned it when it happened. And he just overcooked the entry to turn three. And I don't know, I don't know if you saw it. But Grant had a little run on both of them and kind of peaked left on entry to three

and then backed out. And it's almost, I don't know that that didn't alter Ty's entry a little bit because, you know, he now might be thinking he's got to get in a little bit deeper to defend on Grant. so it's just you know obviously tie what you're really saying it was a thousand iq move by grant yeah oh 100% like that it was a pump fake that that worked for him you know um but you know tie just you know it's it's one of that he hasn't won this year um he's been in contention to win a bunch it feels like i think he's probably leading the points if not right at

and you're leading the points or was um so it's just you know these guys another thing they their names come up a lot when you talk about a possible second open at Stuart Haas, Majeski and Zane. So there's probably a little bit going there. But look at last week. I mean, who, like, didn't Zane mess up at Charlotte? I don't remember. I'm pretty sure Zane got loose underneath somebody.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, he did. You're right. Absolutely right. Off of turn four, you got losing and Rect Haley, I think. He came down in Rect Haley. So. Like, it happens.

Like, you know, and I know it ruined your day and it sucks. But to Zane's credit, at least he spun out. He didn't take the guy outside of him with him. Well, I just cleaned out another one of him. But, you know, it's just, it was a mistake. And Ty said it was a mistake. And Graham, I don't, you know, that's, you know, you race, you know, sometimes it happens.

Yeah, well, I think, like, I'm kind of with you on the throwing the entire series out. That's, uh, that's pretty spot off on my end. I just, it, this is a series full of drivers that are all trying to be the best. And as inexperienced and inexperienced. And that's what I'm getting at is if you start, if you're trying to expect to have the same class out of a group of guys that are still, some of them, I mean, a good bit of them still in their teens, as a group of veterans that have been racing for a while,

they're in the Cup Series, and you're expecting them to handle that pressure the same way, you're going to get disappointed. I mean, it's just the reality of it. It's, I don't know. There's some really good driver with the truck series. There's some fantastic drivers. I think the collective group is a group of people

that are all trying to make a name for themselves. You got a really big mix of those guys, like you said you get. We talked about how legends, a lot of the guys when you were racing, they're all now in the Cup series. Right. if you were in that position looking back now, what would you have done or how would you handle it? Oh, I mean, like, I was in races with inexperienced drivers, being an inexperienced driver myself.

And when I got wrecked or anything like that, and I mean this fully, you can ask people that raced with. But like, I just kind of thought, all right, well, we were all kind of going for it out there. I mean, that's the way it ends up sometimes. But I don't know. I'm not going to go like, well, you know, U.S. legends just doesn't know how to put on an event because you got a bunch of over testosterone and like all this different stuff. I think it's easier to deal with this wreck than just getting run over like Haley did, though. Yeah. You know what I mean?

If you get just a guy over driving the corner and, you know. Absolutely. Like, it's easier to, it's easier to handle. I mean, these guys are going for the win. They know which one of them probably comes out of that corner. And with the experience, you learn how to handle it better. And that's just the way it works. Well, that's why you're in that series to learn, right?

Although talking about the Cup series doesn't seem like some of these guys handled it pretty well. I think that, you know, and it's obviously case by case. But like, if Ty came out and say, yeah, that 38 put it. on my door and I had no choice, then you can get mad at him. But Ty, you know, Ty comes right out and says, listen, I screwed up. You know, I was going for it. And, like I said, he had the best truck all day long and you know that you can't let him get away from you. You need to like kind of keep at least stay in there and try to keep it next to him for the next corner. So, you know, Ty made a mistake. And unfortunately, it cost them both a chance of the win. But congrats to Grant, Grant had a really good

truck all day long. They played strategy perfect. They were about an eighth or ninth place truck, got the lead, I think won both stages or at least one stage. And they won one stage Stewart won the other one. But then from that moment on, once they won that first stage, they were kind of in position all day long. Grant's quietly having a good year. Oh, unbelievable. He had a really fast truck. Where was it, Kansas?

Can't somewhere, wherever he won he dominated. Like, has he, I thought he was really fast at Kansas. He won Wilkesboro. Didn't he win Westboro? Didn't he win? Larson won. Oh, Larsen won that. That's right. He did win. I think he won Kansas. Maybe he did win Kansas. Yeah. Yeah, he's been, he's been

quietly really fast this year. Well, continuing on the topic of aggressive driving and handling things well, interesting. Spot on, spot off. Jeb Burton says there's nothing to talk about. I let my fist do the talking after an encounter with Chandler Smith on Pitt Road following an aggressive Xfinity series race at Portland. Graham, what do you think? I read this quote. Did you see Chandler's video? I saw the video. I've seen, I saw that video too, the one where he put the edit in.

That was really funny. I love social media battles because it just shows how much free time some of these guys have. But I'll tell you what. That quote, I read that in like the deepest, most southern voice.

That's like kind of the only reason I was slightly spot off is I was like, man, that sounds like a cartoon character. Like, seriously, I let my fist do the talk in. I'm like, man,

like, can imagine war is saying that? I was supposed to say that. I don't know. They come over to me and I let my fist do the talking. Yeah, I mean, I'm all about a little excitement in the pits. I just, I didn't, the quote itself just had me laughing a bit. And the video editing was choice. So I'm spot on for the actual event and the quote itself.

We got to figure out a better one for that. Well, you think, for Eddie. So what happened was I let Krause spot one race. Oh, Kraus was spotting for Chandler. I let him do one race. And all the people that have wanted to punch Derek in the face for the last three years probably came out of the woodworks here. And we're taking swings at Chandler. Listen, this deal has been going on for Martinsville.

Why is the first time I started. It started Chandler punted. Oh, God. Ask me if I'm surprised about this. Chandler did punt. What's a Jeb at Martinsville. So Chandler started this one too. Yeah, probably.

But, you know, so then Jeb came back. They bounced off each other all night at all night and Hardensville after that. So it started that. Then they, then they've, they've just been going back and forth. There was interviews where they were mentioning each other. One's not the sharpest tool in the shed and one's an idiot, you know, yada, yada, yada. And it's just been going on. And when I was at, we were at a bar watching this because I finally got back after that marathon of a truck race we had the other night.

And, uh, I saw. We, something happened in the last corner that pissed Jeb off. I know, I'm sure Chandler probably got to his bumper, tried to move him off the last corner. The first thing I saw on TV was Jeb kind of running Chandler. We could go back and look. Oh, no, I don't think we could. Oh, no, probably not. Oh, no, probably not.

Damn. So, I saw Jeb running Chandler down towards the pit wall down the front straightaway. Yeah. And I said to Brett, I said, this isn't going to end well. I said the same thing. I said, when I saw it, I'm like, nah. I said, I just know these two. coming back.

This is not going to end well. I don't know who is going to end up on the bad side, but there's somebody's coming out of here bad. And then Chandler launched him into one, and Jeb made it unbelievable save. I don't know how he's saying that. And it came out, unfortunately for him came out in front of Chandler again.

He probably should have just let him go and done what Chandler did to him to him, to three or four, whatever that corner is. But when I saw them nose of tail lined up for that right-handed, I said, yeah, this is. Oh, they were nose.

I think they were already touching before. He's going to ship him right here and share it up. He got in there. and moved them. But, I don't like what you can't do. And listen, I spotted for Jeb for a year. I've listened to Jay. You know, I've known Jeb.

He's a buddy of mine. He usually does a lot of talking and not a lot of acting. And I'll give him credit. He went down there and- confronted Chandler and said he was going to break his nose. And he maybe made an attempt to do that. But at least he went down there and spoke his piece and got, they got into it and the only thing that I think you can't do is make a quote like this that

you let your fist do the talking or you say stuff like you know he was tweeting he must have been drinking the whole flight home because at about 4 a.m. I don't think many of them guys came back. They think they stayed out there. Yeah. So maybe that actually. I think he posted the picture that he was on a plane though. Oh, was he did have. I mean, you're going to fly from Portland to California. I didn't know. It was that night though. I think it was I think he did fly post-trace. It wasn't a team playing now. But you're tweeting stuff at like three or four in the morning. Like I let my fist do the talking.

I rocked his head. He felt it. And unfortunately for Jeb in 2023, everything is on camera. Because turns out none of that was true. So I don't know who edited. I know who assisted on some of the ideas for that video. I put all the names at the end of it.

Oh, you're saying the idea part. Yeah. And I don't know who edited it, but they deserve an Emmy of their own. They put the names at the end of it. No, that's the guy from Kirby Enthusiasm that makes that, that's like Robert Weed. Oh, yeah. But, yeah, they, the, what got me, I saw the video and I chuckled about it, right? I was like, oh, that's funny.

And then somebody said, did you listen to the video? And I said, no, I didn't even know there was sound. I just, and then I listened to the sound effects of like the little rubber hammer sound or squeat. Like, I was like, oh, oh, my God. cinematic genius so to note the self um don't embellish in 2023 because more than likely it is on video and if you're going to let your fist do the talking then just let them do the talk and there's many to talk about it just just leave and be i've already talked i'm spot off i'm spot off i mean i'm i'm spot on for jeb actually doing more than what most drivers do when he's mad and you know and going down there

and look, if you're going to go down there and do it, do it. Don't talk about it. Just do it. Like most time, we all, how many times do you heard a driver say, I'm going to go down there and then they get down there and they don't do it. Yeah. Most times. Majority, yeah. So, but I'm, I'm spot off for, you know, Chandler, at some point, he's going to be having a good day and he's going to, this guy, I mean, could be the last round of the playoffs or something and he's going to be jeb's going to race him really hard oh 100% this and you can't keep and it sounds to me like chanler has a short-term memory out of stuff too because when he was on the show and i told you you know he said oh you know if you get

into somebody go talk to him whatever fix it and he had wrecked josh twice already and then he didn't understand why josh got him a little bit at richmond and you were like probably because you wrecked him twice this year and then i'm like what did you go talk to josh no well you You can't keep driving. Like, you can't keep making enemies right now. And he's got enough speed where he's making enemies where he doesn't need to be making enemies. You know, these are just, it's unnecessary.

And I think, you know, maybe, maybe, uh, maybe Jeb was going to let us fist do some more talking, but Chris got in the middle of him. Well, it wasn't even Chris. What I was spot off for, somebody grabbed y'all, spot off for the headlock. was whoever, and this might not be popular where I work at colleague there, but you know, you cannot be a crew member and put a driver in a, you know, chokehold from behind to get listen, pull them out, like, do what you can to pull them out of there, but that, that crossed the line, get in the middle, but you don't, yeah, that crossed the line for me of, you know,

a crew member should not ever, for one, a crew member, in my opinion, should never put their hands on a driver. Two, in that position there, like, I know you're trying to break it up and whatnot, but you've got to do a better job. And that kind of crossed the line for me. And, you know, then Chris obviously got involved. Chris and Jeb have a relationship. And they kind of got face to face and tried to talk it out.

It didn't seem like it went well. But, but yeah, I didn't think that that was a good move on that crew members part to, you know, kind of grab them around the neck from behind like that. No, I don't agree with that. Do you think, do you think Chandler's been too aggressive this year? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And we've talked about it.

You know, and like to your point, like he said, he made that comment at Richmond about, you know, you know, Josh. put the bumper to us somewhere and wanted to or something like that. I don't know. He's like, damn, what's his problem? I'm like, well,

you did wreck him twice this year. I know, and, you know, like it's weird because in Chandler's mind, Chandler thinks or knows it wasn't intentional. It was a mistake. But it doesn't, it doesn't matter.

Yeah, it doesn't like it doesn't make it okay. Like he did like at Richmond, not Richmond, Phoenix, obviously he just overdrove the entry. You know, it wasn't like, I'm going to take the eight out here. You know,

screw this guy. It was just mistakes. But, you know, And his mind, it's like, oh, it wasn't a big deal. I just made a mistake. And Josh's mind, you're like, you ruin my day twice, you know. So it's, and, but, you know, like I said, he's a young kid. I don't know how old.

He's got plenty of speed. And we've had that conversation about, you know, we shouldn't be, why are we fighting with this guy when we would hope to not see him? You know what I mean? Like, Jeb's performing very well in that car, but on a day, on a weekly basis, we should be outperforming him, you know, just, you know, but that's what I'm saying. Like, eventually, you're going to get to a point where he, or he, where he's having a really good day.

And Jeb's not going to be having a good day and Jeb's going to get loose and... Yeah. And Jebs, listen, especially now, like, this isn't going to end here. Like, this is going to go on forever. You know, yeah, it's... And I know both of these guys...

Hey, I will tell you this. At least when they hit each other, it's just a spin out or something like that. At least they're not getting right hooked into a wall. Yeah. Yeah. And then that's the thing. When they give it to it, like, we move...

I don't mind battles like this. Yeah. Like, Jebb's kind of an eye for an eye guy, what I saw. You know, like, we, we, we, went in turn one and punted him up the racetrack. And he tried to get to our bumper and do the same. It wasn't like he blew the corner and tried to wreck us.

Like he tried to get to our bumper and punt us back. And I think I'm probably fine with that type of race. Yeah, 100%. And like down the back stretch there, like all I'm saying is you're getting it back. Like be ready, you know, because it's coming. You know, and then you deserve it at that point. And I think at that point, Chandler knows he deserves it. You know, he kind of overdrove entry to defend against, you know, Jeb, hopefully not being able

to get through his bumper. So, you know, it is what it is. and we'll be fine and move forward. I think it's worth mentioning that after the race, we saw how hard Sheldon and John Hunter race and spun each other out and went at it. And then after the race, they went down there and had a conversation

and I guess apologized to each other. Hey, we're driving like, I don't know what happened, what they said to each other, but it didn't seem to be... Yeah, somebody said they were fist pumping by the end of it. Yeah, hey, all right, that was dumb of us to be doing that. We shouldn't be doing that.

All right, I'll stop. All right, I'll stop too. Hey, see. Yeah. The fist did the talking at the end. Yeah. Oh, boy. Oh, back to the Cup Series race.

Four drivers had break further failures over the course of the race at Gateway. Spot on, spot off Freddie. Definitely not spot on. Yeah, you know, it's, it's, obviously I'm no engineer. I'm no mechanic. What really pissed me off was this caused us. beating TJ in the Denny Hamlin bracket challenge. Danny Hamlin, I mean,

TJ runs around out there on four cylinders all day and we end up wrecking with four to go and he beats us. I'm in it for the long run, Freddie. Credit to that, to your team because they did a great job with wave rounds and then obviously a bunch of lucky rounds at the end there with a bunch of cautions.

But, I mean, you were going to run 35th? We were 36th. And where'd you end up finishing? 28th, maybe. So, I mean, that's a big deal. I mean, that's, you know, for something you have no control. You're at the mercy of whatever everybody else does.

I feel like we got everything. And you end up getting seven, eight spots out of it. But yeah, and like I said, I'm no, no engineer, obviously, no mechanic. I would assume it's a cooling issue. Every team kind of runs different setups to how they cool their brakes. Obviously, we saw Tyler, his broke early, his blue early. Hosevar, I think was the first one, right? It was Hosevar, Tyler, then Noah, then Bubba.

we never really had an issue once once Noah wrecked Bubba asked me what would happen I said it looked to me like another break failure and he said okay Carson said he was having the brake pedal was getting so and then I think Tyler said he didn't really notice it yeah until like four or five last before he said like I was getting ready to have to start letting people go because my I was losing my pedal and then right when no erect he Bubba said I'm okay right now but it is getting a little spongy and then we never had another problem for whatever it was 40 laps or so and then you know I mean we were from that point on we were running because you know a lot of times you'll hear us we'll run for about 10 laps or so and then we'll turn our fans on

just because you don't want it's a kind of a delicate thing where you don't want your brakes to be cold because they won't work as good and obviously too hot they'll they'll explode yeah so um you know so it's a delicate thing where you try to run enough laps to get some heat in them and then cool you know then you'd kick your fans on to to kind of keep you know manage the temperature um so we were running our fans at the whole time now just to just make sure they did not get hot and unfortunately we came up four laps short, but did you obviously, you didn't have any break issues, I guess. He had a few other issues. Did you use any brakes? Very little. I mean, I'm, I'm, I don't want to, I hate to say that on a because I hate seeing the cars get tore up, but it's, I like me. I mean,

it's, it's good to put the pressure on the teams that there's a line you can overstep because that gives us, you know, issues and things like that. But I never like to see the rotors fail. And it's net i mean there's i looked up there i think i looked over one time and Tyler was like i saw his go and i was like oh it looked like he was watermelon wall like martinsville there but noah's too yeah yeah noah scared me because when his went it turned left he turned left oh he didn't yeah that and uh you know he's gonna hit and it was like i i think i might have just aimed for the wall and got there quicker rather than because i feel like he had time to sit there to think like oh this is gonna hurt this is gonna suck yeah graham spot on spot off i mean spot off that

a break breaks are failing but i think it's interesting to i'm kind of well i heard one thing i heard clint say that was interesting i think it might point to it a little bit would be that the when the brake caliper and the brake components in general fix their specific heat that's a good operating point for them and they can operate there constantly for a good time and that's a like a target heat problem was is with all these stops and starts and stops and starts and stops and starts it's like you're just asking for him to have issues. You're heating them up, cooling them down, and that's not good for any part, especially, you know, something that's being, you know, used that heavily. And a track we're using the brake a lot. But yeah, I actually, I kind of like the idea of some strategy. I'd rather

be with something other than the brake rotor. I don't like to see these guys be this is where they can get hurt, but it's good to see that it's almost like back in the day when you could over Camber a tire. Yeah. It's their speed there, but there's a price you got to pay for it. One thing I thought was interesting. And speaking of the stopping and starting is we didn't get to reset the pressures after that red flag. Oh, wow. Yeah, for two hours. Yeah, we sat there and like, no resetting the pressures and nobody was going to stop. Like, nobody was going to pit. I don't know if they thought everyone wouldn't come get tires, but nobody pit. So, I mean, that was interesting. You know, I think that, um, I forgot what I was going to say, but. Oh, the, the, the,

the, the, the hits, you know, I talked to Bubba and I said, uh, I said, did you, did you intentionally? Because while I was broke, he started cursing probably, about to start finish line, you know, just bam it. So he knew it was going. He knew it was done. And he intentionally turned right. And I think Tyler did the same thing. Noah went the other way. And Bubba, Bubba learned his lesson from that Pocono. Oh, yeah. That's what I was thinking about. He panicked and went left. And that was probably one of the scariest things I've ever watched. Yeah, that's a hard. And I said, did you turn right? He said, yeah. I said, Noah, Noah didn't get that. And thank God, Noah seemed like he's okay. He definitely seemed like he was a little, he was a little day.

he was talking about off seasons instead of all weeks. I was just going to have to say, no, we did hear your comments looking forward to the off season. Don't worry, only 21 races left. There's a long way there. I'd be looking for the off season too.

But, you know, it is what it is. And thankfully, I saw a fan got hit by a piece of Noah's rotor. So thankfully, that wasn't worse than it was. He had a nice welt on his chest. I loved his hat. And Noah. And Noah did a great job.

He DM'd him, like, making sure he'd take care of them. But yeah, that was, it's always scary. And then that stuff happened with the brake rotors. When they explode, there's everywhere. Like, sometimes it gets in the wall and sets the wall on fire. That's what happened. Eric Jones.

Yeah. So. That's what happened to Briscoe, I think, was the one that. Oh, that's true. That's right. It was Brisco. Is there anything that could have been done to avoid it? I know Larson, like, during the Red Flag, he would take his foot off the brake.

Or there was something that they were talking about during the bra. Yeah. You don't want to sit there. Like, you got your foot on the brakes sitting there on the back stretch, which a lot of Bubba said. Yeah, Bubba said he didn't. Yeah, he wasn't even on the brake back there. But if you're sitting there with your foot on the brake, it's going to overheat that spot where the pads are grabbing the caliper.

So what the idea is to roll forward a little bit. So now you're just grabbing different spots on the caliper. You'll warp the mess out of the caliber if you just sit there with your brake foot on it. I'm sorry, on the rotor. So, you know, it is what it is. But it's, you know, unfortunate for us. And we were going to probably run 10th through 11th and now we finish 30th. But we'll have to rebound from that.

that. But yeah, just thankful to everybody's okay, and we'll move on to next week. Well, I want to kick off today's DBCA, Maine, by congratulating Jesse Love. Jesse Love. And Chad Bow and CV Industries for their extreme outlaw win. Watch that one on DirtVision. Last Thursday, Friday, I don't even remember when. But really good race, really good racing, I think, all across Dirt Vision this weekend. I feel like Carson Macedo won. quite a few others. Hussitz had a good race.

What do you guys think? Yeah, so I watched some of, obviously, much like Casey, I follow a lot of Chad's racing, so I was happy to see Jesse, who we had on here, did a great job a couple weeks ago. Did you, I know, like, Owen Larson and Braxton. Owen and Braxton race the junior sprint this weekend. We talked about this last week.

I mean, St. Louis and World War II all your race. That whole market did a great job of bringing dirt racing and NASCAR fans together because they had a dirt race every night. Late models, I think Larson race on Friday. You had Junior sports little kids that are so cute. I saw Ricky went and ran somewhere. I think the same place. Yeah. He had two nights in a row. I thought. I thought I saw him in a wane car. Then I saw him in a midget or something. He race midgets. Wednesday and Friday. Wednesday and Friday. It's good to see old Holly Shelton. She got back in. She's, we, I, I, we formed a, you know, a very professional deal.

Holly's running the better half dash, um, coming up here soon at trackhouse or GoPro, motorplex, whatever it is. And, um, I paid Harley, Harley, Holly's bar tab at Saeed's, uh, last Saturday. So Cal Tracer will be an official sponsor. Nice. For the, uh, for the, uh, for the better half dash. But I don't know. I don't think, I think she's, uh, had some issues.

before I saw she didn't even get to make a qualifying lap it looked like, or at least race monitor didn't have it up. But yeah, so it was good to see her back getting racing. I think she's going to run a couple races for Bundy. So it's good to see her back. Obviously, sprint car racing in itself is great.

I've seen controversy around that high limit race. Swindell was pissed off and everybody. Well, the yellow come out. It was a bit of a disaster. It was a heat race. There's a heat race where I think Rico shut off because he thought the race was over. And then Kyle stopped to defend Rico. technically they both should have went to the back.

It was a bit of a disaster. Yeah. But, you know, while we're talking about dirt racing, I know obviously you don't have a giant background in dirt racing, but what you do have is a connection to the Bristol Motor Speedway that has been covered in dirt for the last few years. What's your opinion on taking that racetrack to dirt? Well, you know, it was interesting because it's funny.

The ideas that dad comes up with, we're all, we all know what they are. they usually hit my desk first. And usually when I was living at home, when I was still in college, he would literally barge in the room and be like, I had an idea. And I'm like, I know where this is going. The roval was like I will forever have to eat my words.

I said that is the dumbest idea that I've ever heard. And then it worked. And I had to call him from Victory Lane and be like, okay, I was wrong. That worked. But Bristol was like kind of a similar thing. I was like, well, I mess up a good thing. Bristol's awesome. Like we don't need to do that.

And then I watched it. And I was like, okay, you know, I didn't know a lot about dirt racing. I still don't know a lot about dirt racing. I can tell you that I really enjoy watching the Bristol Dirt Race. I think it's fun. I think it shakes it up a little bit. I'm all about kind of creating, you know, a show, though. That's, that's the background I come from.

So our takes are probably going to be very different on this, but I think that's a pretty cool track. So would you bring it back next year? If it were me, I'm not going to give you my take. I, you know, I don't, listen, at this point with, with our short track, like, two years ago, three years ago, I'd say, yes, please take the dirt off. At Bristol is one of our best race tracks. We don't need to lose more short tracks to go to a dirt track. But right now, as bad as the short track packages, we might as well cover it in dirt because

we didn't put on a great race any other short track this year. So hopefully we can get that package better and we can just say yes. And, you know, talking about the roval. This was a hot topic last week. The, the reason why we went to the roval was the mile and a half was struggling. and or you know it just wasn't putting on the best race you've seen the last two mile and a half races now and there's been a lot of people clamoring for a 400 mile oval is it time to maybe go back to there you think i am not the right person to ask but here's why i love the roval

so much i so when we first when he came to that was when i was still in college he he barge in my bedroom was like roval and i was like that's not even a word you made that up and i said i did and it's great and so we're going to go do it And I was out at work. I was driving a Ford Focus R.S. I'll never forget. It was my favorite cars ever owned. So much I owned three of them.

Not at the same times. No, I wrecked a couple. But I went out on the track and dad said, I'm going to call you from the TV, like I guess the TV spotter stand, essentially the TV stand up on the top of the roof. He goes,

I want to watch. He's like, go out there and tell me what you think. And he showed me the way around the track. And so like before there were rumble strips, before anyone knew what was happening, I was out there digging in this little hatch back doing like a buck 45 buck 50 on the back stretch feeling like I was going to die and I love

that track so much I hope it never leaves and you you may not want to tell this story but that's not the only time you were on there in a street car no no actually there was another time and I do want to tell this story okay so there I was um Bubba Wallace and I have been uh we've been pretty good buddies for a while and uh and Bubba texted me at one point and we had talked about uh about going on the roval before the roval was even a thing. And there was an obvious, like, well, I can't take my cup car out there. I was like, I didn't think you could. He said, but I do have this little Lexus.

And he's like, you drive something fast. We can go out there and have some fun. I said, sure. Well, I thought, like, you know how you go to a bar every once in a while and you say somebody like, oh, we should hang out some time? And it never happens. That's kind of what I thought, because we were just becoming friends. And sure enough, I'm at lunch, and I'm on a date.

and I'm on a lunch date with a girl up by the Speedway and my phone buzzes and it's Bubba and he goes hey I'm in the air you want to hit the track and I was like I'm not going to pass up this opportunity this is going to be a lot of fun so I just look at her and I was like do you want to go on the track and she goes yeah sure and I go sure done so I I pull up to the back and it's not an ASCAR fan so you don't know Bubba she doesn't know anything about the track or really anything that's going on so I

pull up and Bubba's waiting there at gate 26 in the backstretch in his Lexus and she goes who's that I'm like it's just my friend he's going to Willis. We go out there and we start gunning it. And I forgot to tell Bubba the rumble strips were not drilled into the track yet. Oh, no. So Bubba being a professional race car driver, goes and hits the rumble strip and slices his, I can only assume, very expensive Lexus tire clean open. Then I get the phone call and this is what really sold the date. I think this is why I never got a second one is because he then basically calls me, he says, can you pull over? I've had an issue.

I pull over, I look. I'm like, that's obviously an issue. The team is actually there, I guess, for a tire test. They just loaded his car right up on the roller. And he goes, can I ride with you? And the two things that hit my head were like, like, why? Because I'm me and you're you. Like, I could let you drive the car.

He says, no, I want to see your line. I was like, you want to see my line. My line doesn't exist. I've had maybe six more laps on this track than you've had. Have you seen him run a road course? You're better off driving. So I go out there, but here's the best part is he walks up and in pure Bubba fashion, he opens the passenger door, he opens the passenger door, he goes, hey, I'm Bubba.

Would you mind moving to the back seat for me? And you move towards the back. And so this poor girl who was going to remain nameless was just all over the back seat because I'm flying around. Now I'm trying to put on a show because Bubba's right. Oh, yeah. Oh, it was great. We did not have a second date.

So no second date? No second date. Are you dating anybody else? Yes, yes. I'm asking for my single sister. No, I've been in a relationship for four and a half years. Yes. Oh, well.

There you. There you. Sorry. Bummer. Yeah. Yeah. So I remember we were there, we were going there for a test that day. Well before I knew you.

Yeah. Well before I knew you. We were going there for a test that day. And the guys from the team sent me, I got a picture above his Lexus on the flatbed. I was like, what did that idiot do? And then I think about 20 minutes into that test, he pounded it in the first turn wall. And that was the end of that weekend, too. Golly.

That was fun, though. I was hard on motors, too. You can't. Speaking of innovation. you know, we talked about all the crazy ideas your dad has. I think your family and your dad specifically is probably the most innovative guy in motorsports in general. Like the things that SMI and you guys bring to the table is incredible. Tell me what a maybe another crazy idea you would like to see based off what he's talked about. Yeah, I mean, there's a lot that always kind of hit the table. I think

we've had tons of ideas. Right now it's interesting. We do a lot in racing and I think what we try to remind ourselves of is that speway motorsports is not just a racing business. It's an entertainment business and we have a lot of different ways that we can capitalize on the amount of space that we have. We occupy so much real estate. I mean, that's invaluable. So looking into doing more, you know, on the racing side, I think I'm going to let dad take those conversations, but I know that we've looked into like, you know, different ways we can hold more music festivals, more things on track to occupy our time. It's a concert last night too, wasn't there?

Yeah. There's concert at that Gateway. Yep. We have learned that actually find out with those drive-in shows that I'm sure maybe you guys got to go to a couple of those during COVID. We just learned that like most people will never go to a race track unless you get them there for something that's other than a race. So like having people show up and go, this is not the size of Panther Stadium.

And me go, yeah, no, because it's, you could fit like four of those in here. And then people come to see the show and then I get a text and it say, where do I buy race tickets? and then they come back. So I like doing stuff like that. I think we've had a lot of success in Charlotte with Breakaway Music Festival in Las Vegas with EDC. I mean, it's kind of cool to see that stuff happen.

I want to be on the forefront of that and help with those projects. I think that that was a big thing in Wilkesboro. Like we looked on, I forget what it was a Friday night maybe. It was like the truck practice night or, you know, there was no race. It was just, I think practice and maybe, yeah, I think it was just practice. Yeah. And it was packed. And I'm like, man, it's.

then I realized later on there was a, I forget who was playing Friday night, but it was a well-known, maybe Chase Rice. Midland and Chase Rice were both playing. And I said, I said, oh, that, but that's point and example right there is they're there to see the concert, but they're going to go in and check out practice. But it's a weekend thing, though. You know what I mean? Like, it's not just a race. It's a, it's a couple races, a concert. I mean, the clash is a perfect example. Yeah. How many of those celebrities would have gone to a race in general? Oh, yeah. Well, that and then look at the stands. Did you see?

I mean, the clash stands is something I'm always going. Like I told Ben Kennedy as soon as I left L.A. I was like, I didn't, I saw more people younger than me that I can't identify with because they're too young than I saw older than me that I can't identify with because I'm too. Yeah. I mean, we had a group in one of us. I mean,

and not only age, but different, you know, backgrounds, different ethnic ethnic, like every, every, I saw all walks of life at that place.

And then we saw, I mean, talk about younger kids. You remember that group that was in front of us this year? Like right in front of us, they were all dressed up. Like one was like a fake pregnant lady. Actually, I think she was really pregnant. But they were all, they were all like a different theme.

Like it was, it was like theme. Like they had like a theme party. That's fun. There was 30 of them. And they were just all dressed like, I don't know, like just whatever. But it was all different shit. I have pictures of it. But like that's, they're just,

they're having fun. And they did not look like race fans. You know, they were not. I do think the Coliseum, you saw, I saw kids that had no idea what racing was that are now race fans. I laugh at the people and they're like, look at that place. It's half empty. If it was half empty, that's still 50,000 people somewhere.

Yeah, that is. And they're all buying NASCAR apparel because they want to wear it as their costume. Yeah. No, it was cool. My sister is not a NASCAR fan, like doesn't watch it whatsoever, does not have no idea what my job is, doesn't even know I'm on this podcast. And she just posted the picture of wearing a Earnhardt jacket. Oh, yeah.

But she has no clue, but like she has been to concerts at the track. Yeah. That's how she knows it. But this might, like, this is also, you look at Chicago, it might open the door for a lot of new fans that wouldn't go. Right. The people that are in the city. And Chicago also has a lot of events.

I think there's a two or three concerts at Chicago, too. And there's some. Yeah, really good names. Some of the tickets include those concerts too. Yeah. Interesting. I think they, I think all of them do. Yeah.

I think all the weekend ticket is like, it's a great value for, and I know people were talking about the track and everyone, we always seem to do this when we go to new tracks. Oh, it's going to be terrible. what's going to be this, this and this. Well, we saw the, we saw the Coliseum, and everyone we all sinbed it and stuff, it was like, oh my gosh, this is really tall. This is really small.

It's going to be terrible. And we go there and it's actually, I sat in the stands because Swara sent us to the house. And I watched a race and it was entertaining. Yeah. You got lap, it reminded me of a dirt race, kind of a sprint car race.

The leader caught lap traffic and it was hard to pass them. So guess what? Here comes second place. Well, here comes third place too. And then you just got this race going on. and it's fun. So, and I think, I think having a, I think a street course kind of is going to be its own thing. It's going to be a lot of drive reverse the track and there's not a lot of room for air.

But one of the things about that is we've taken, like, look at Watkins Glen. Did you ever go to Watkins Gone as a kid? Did you ever go up that far? Well, back in the day, if you went off in turn one, there was grass over there. You could run off. If you won off the carousel, there was with the curbs. You remember watching Robbie Gordon go through the bus stop. He'd hit the curbs.

there was an art to it though now the curb there's no curves it's flat there's runoffs everywhere there's literally no repercussions for messing up yeah and we make the track so much easier by doing that stuff and i not that i want to see you know i know it's i don't want to make it more dangerous but it's also you're making it like easy yeah dangerous and difficult are two different words in a street course like i was highly entertained watching that indy car race during our red flag yesterday it was i was like i mean i did you watch any of it no i didn't get a chance to see it was really exciting. Andrew said you, I thought it was entertaining, didn't you? Yeah, that was very good. And the drivers are complaining like crazy. Oh, this is terrible. I was, I loved it. Yeah. So,

I don't know, most time when the drivers complain, it's actually good. We usually really like it. Yeah. So we'll see. Okay. So you always say that like when drivers come on here, they usually win their next big event. This is me putting in my official probably like fifth or seventh mention of this. I want legend cars at the Coliseum. Okay. I'm saying it now. It's a quarter mile. It's an oval. That's what we do. I'm looking right in the camera. That's exactly. It's for your dad. Actually, we don't know that. That's not theirs.

We don't know that track, so I can't really, because if it was him, he'd already hear. Yeah, but he could probably have the conversation. Well, could you imagine, I'm happy to have the conversation. Could you imagine how many legend cards you would get out there? We'd have to put a cap on it. Yeah. You know how many time? Every year since then, I have these kids come in and they're buying parts for the

year and they're like, when am we going to get out there? And like, I wish that I could help you, but I can't because I don't have that kind of thing. What's the big? Like, the nationals is still the biggest. Yeah, so we have them for all the services. We have it for asphalt oval, dirt oval, and road course as well as a Bannelero Nationals. And it moves around.

It moves around. So what, let me ask you this. NASCAR could learn from you guys. What is the difference between a dirt legend's car and an asphalt legend car? I know set up buys, but like when you ship it out, what is the difference? Set up. Just set out. Now we have choices and shocks you can run with rebound and compression rates.

But I mean, the car is not built any different. So I could literally buy a legend car. That's it. And I could go run the summer shootout and a month later, just out. I want to go run dirt somewhere and just change that I want. Do you guys know why we, I don't know if anybody knew this story about why they were, and it's very short, but essentially the logic behind it was is that Bruton and Humpy were sitting out at the speedway one day.

They looked out and saw a bunch of bass boats. They were like, bass boat at the time was about 10 grand. They're like, if you can afford to buy race tickets and you can afford to buy a bass boat, we need to figure out how to make a legend car, like a car, a race car for 10 grand. And then that's where the legend car came from. The reason it's so small, like I can't stand the fact that I can't fit in one most of the time. and I feel like my feet are all up in there. But guess what?

It fits in the back of the F-150. Yeah. Yeah. And that's why it was that way, because you don't want to have to buy a trailer for it. How much are pontoons? Asking for a friend. Ask him for a friend.

Oh, trust me. We have not, the legend car price is not even close to grow at the same speed as the basketball. You could get a whole field of, uh, legend cars now for a pontoon boat. Yeah. So I really got screwed out of the boat deal with Deljean.

Yeah. Yeah. So what you're saying is if you're listening to the show or watching the show on Dirt Vision and you want your kid to race. Yeah. This is the perfect way to do so. Absolutely. Yeah, you can raise them on all three services.

You can have fun with them everywhere you go. They're designed to be super easy to work on. The reason we use a bike engine is because everything's in one package. It's all easy. It's all supposed to be like if you have a minimal amount of mechanical knowledge, you can work on it yourself. Otherwise, go find somebody that works on them. There's tons of people that do.

And all your classes are split up by experience, right? Yes. Which is amazing. Yes. We do Young Lions up to 16, which is the only eight. age one other than masters. So me and Freddie went to go and run would be old lions? So you would grab all.

So if you're 40 plus, you go to masters, but the grab all is semi-pro. So if you're between the ages of 16 and 40, you would go to semi-pro unless you qualify to go pro. But other than that, yeah. We get smoked there. I just like to be called a master. I'll tell you now,

Charlotte Summer Shootout is probably the most competitive oval legend racing I've ever seen. But yeah, Riverhead's a great tractor run at. our fairground series that we do in in April is awesome in Nashville. Yeah, they're on the front stretch, right? Yeah, we were on the front stretch there. How's that track coming? You guys are good at this.

You can ask the other guy. There's Marcus on here to back up or deny some of granted. Yeah, you get him on here. He's already been on Dale's show, what, like five times? I just happy he didn't kill me that night at Cota because he was walking over and I was like, I don't know if I'm getting ready to get yelled at or Marcus is going to say hi. Yeah. You're not allowed to talk to Marcus.

I can't remember. I said, I can't remember the last week's show, so I don't know what I said. He just came down, sat down, and we literally sat there and talked racing for probably an hour, hour and a half eating dinner and then ran that night. Your whole family, like your mom, like everyone in your family is just so kind. At the racetrack, fans probably, most fans have probably, if you see Marcus, we'll just come up to him and have a conversation. Like, everyone, it is so cool to see, like, and the mindset, too, of what you guys are doing. I had a picture of obviously a lot of friends in town.

So Charlotte last week, I had some people, they were like, oh, you'll never believe who we met. And I'm like, oh, I'm assuming it's going to be Bubba or, you know, whoever. And it's like, they send me a picture and it's your dad with her husband and their son. And I was like, oh, yeah. I said, that's cool. And when I walked in, I talked about it on the podcast last week, when I walked into the racetrack, I saw you guys out front.

Yeah. You know, hey, you know, talking to people and taking pictures. Is that with the kid that was being like, he was like falling out of, yeah. You know Kyle McGowan? Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So Kyle was showing me that picture. I took that picture and I was just, my dad the entire time was like,

you know you used to do this every time we try to take a family picture. This was you. He was like, you had that. I think she tweeted it. It was like, oh, my, so happy. It's so nice to meet Marcus Smith this morning. I said, William doesn't look as happy. He was ready to go watch some racing.

He said, I don't know who you are, a weird man with facial hair. Get out of here. I'm trying to go watch some racing. That was fun though. He was like, you want to go down in the front and say, hey, to fans, thank him for coming back. I was like, yeah, you know, you think about it. Your whole plans were all on Sunday. they get rained out and then we're expecting you to show up the day after.

I mean, like you don't have a million things going on. So to go out there and see people that were nice enough to come back, heck yeah. So why did you keep it so long there so long? That's one thing I won't say. They did not, I felt like they didn't keep us long, like some places would, you know, but that was. Yeah, it was right up until I guess the race was supposed to start. I'm not, no decision-making committee for that one, but yeah.

You know at some point, like if we're not drying by now, we're we can't start i mean we could but the race is going to go until two in the morning and we don't want to do that either my magic number i always hear for at least charlotte is it takes about an hour 45 on a really good day and two hours to two 15 on a i'm going to tell you with that weather yeah that was pretty it was there i don't think it was ever going to stop like it was it was even missing the next morning even when you could see it coming like indy car race just finished there was some windows coming even in those windows it never quit yeah no it was it was that's challenging i thought they did everything But man, the racing on Monday was so good.

Oh, so good. That was awesome. That's why I know. I'm sorry about your roval, but give me back to the Oval for playoffs. We can disagree. I mean, that's fine. I'll still see you there. It's such a good show now, man.

Like, it's a good race. We gotta keep you coming back to 600. You got two of them, you might start making choices. No. Yeah, you're right. What if for October, you could just choose which track you wanted to run? You just run. They're both open.

You're both open. You can turn around the wall. You can turn left, but at one lap the entire race, you get a Joker lap. Yeah, you've got to, everybody's got to run whatever it is, 300 miles, you know, however many labs that is around each one. Yeah, Sonoma could definitely run a Joker lab. Oh, there's a hundred percent. Think about that.

The drag strip or the carousel? Yeah, like the carousel. Like we used to, well, like we ran a couple years ago and then we went back to run the carousel. Well, that'd be interesting coming back into that corner. Yeah, that'd be big. Yeah. You asked about what ideas we might have. Or like Supercross where sometimes you have to run like a certain aspect of it, at least one.

Yeah, that's exactly. I'm so glad we're running normal Sonoma again. Oh, yeah. Oh, so glad. That not, it's really, I didn't, I don't think the racing got affected, but we can spot it a lot of easier without that. I don't know. Where are you all spot from at Sonoma? Top of the hill, too.

Yeah. Okay. Gotcha. But I mean, honestly, though, if you think about it, there wasn't a lot of passing once you you turned down to the carousel. No, but you still had to have somebody over. there. Yeah.

You know, what I'm saying, like, track-wise, like, when you have, like, the other corner, like, when you almost hit that wall in the left, like, there's, some people miss the exit of that corner and that's when they get checked up and they race into the, what is that, seven? Seven. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you're racing.

Like, there's some good passing zones at Sonoma. That's like my, I love going to Sonoma. Favorite track. I love Sonoma. I wish we could go there like a month prior to now when it's all green. Yeah. I've done that. It's wild.

It does not look like. I saw a place. Yeah. It looks totally different. Yeah. I'm ready to get out there. friend Jill. Jill Gregory. She's the best. She is the best. She's awesome. So we'll see her this week. You like wine? A big wine guy? Not really. But I mean, I've been known to drink some from time to time.

You're not picky. It's good wine. I'm so shocked. Man, I drove four hours to see my three favorite podcasters. I only saw TJ. He was nice enough to take a picture. I was trying to find Freddy. I checked every food stand. in the midway. I guess already was just too distracted by that long and narrow pit road that have a little bit of a lot technology raceway. Other than that, great race. I got to be honest with you. If you were looking for me,

I was very easy to find. I was either on the spotter stand or in my car in the air conditioning. I stood next to you for a majority of the time there. I mean, we were standing there for a while. It was either in the AC or on the spotter stand. You know what good thing about that weather delay deal is Lisa cooled off. Yeah, thank God. There was, dude, there was people before the start of the race, like when it was all sunny,

they were dropping, like, flies. I heard that some guy walked out of there. He had burned through his shoes. I know, like, he had, like, burns on his feet. That place, I don't, I mean, I, and I kind of had this, not a complaint, but thought about Wilkesboro as well. Like, when you, like, paving everything like that with asphalt, I feel like it just feels like it's so much hotter.

And, like, we were walking in on Friday this week. And, like, I noticed my shoes were leaving. footprints in the asphalt. You know what I mean? It was so hot. So I wish there was like a cold asphalt alternative. There was three people in front of the spotter stand alone. One of the pooped on your foot.

One was right in front of me. Did you get to pick on your foot? No, but it was cool. So the spotter sat in there was like they built these tables, whatever. They're nice. And you can set your stuff on there. I was sitting underneath it before the race and like right behind the back row. And we were ready to go green.

I lay down there. There was a woman. She got ice all over neck. And I mean, she threw up on the ground. It was rough. Yeah. And then.

And this is not. this was not a drinking related This was just heat. This was just heat. Right when we were going back green, another one fell out there. And there was a couple. Yeah, it was rough.

I mean, if you go back to that race, I mean, it's a great place, but just you got to start hydrating the day before. That's why the people on Instagram always yelling on you about not drinking off water. This is why. And it doesn't, like, if you, if you get to the point, like,

oh, I need to start, if you feel like, oh, I need to drink some water, it's past the point. Yeah. Last year, like obviously, me and Brett promote fire. ball pretty often on here. So last year it's a thousand degrees there also.

And after the race is over, I'm running, I think it was Saturday's race ended, Xfinity or truck. Yeah, truck. And I'm running down the stairs to get out of here so I can go somewhere. And this fan is like, hey, let's do a shot of fireball. And I'm like, of course, sure. So now I tell, I don't have, I'm dying. I need a water.

And I haven't gotten to water in like the last hundred laps. And this guy's like, fireball. I was like, great. Yeah. Was at least cold? No, it was fucking hot fireball. Oh, no. On a hot day.

The whole way home, I was, Jason Jarrett was with me. I was like, that is not sitting well. I got to get somewhere and get something in my stomach. I was never had warm fireball. Try hot fireball on a hot day. I'm not going to do that. I'm going to do that. No.

Shout out to we did, I did have, you weren't there because you quit your truck deal. It's like an hour before the race started. But, uh, some fans, some, I was, I may be exaggerating a little bit. But, uh, a lovely fan, DBC fan. I did not get her name. I wish I did. came over and delivered waters during the Xfinity race to the three of us. And luckily for me, you two, our truck race.

And luckily for me, you two idiots weren't there. So I got all three of them. I gave one to Nick. And I think Hirschman took the other one. But very nice of them. Thank you. I needed it badly at that point. Her husband was trying to get me a drink an ultra with him.

And I said, I probably have to wait a little bit on that. But although I was so hot and sweating that it probably would not even infected me at all at that point. It is still amazing how many people come up to us at the track. Oh, yeah. It's every week. like so many times. What is up with all these NASCAR drivers punching like three-year-old girls? My four-year-old daughter,

get out of some of them. They punch with their like wristband and they're like overthrowing and they're pushing. Like, holy shit, boys, if you're going to fight, fight. Oh my God. They fight like Freddie Wood for fissinks. That dude sounds. Like a cheap shot there at the end. I don't really know.

If he'd like to fight, I'll be in. You see that guy that does the videos where he's like, oh, the no way guy. Oh, what? No way. Yeah. Get real. Yeah. Get real.

Like that gets this sounded like him. Yeah. I listen, he's not wrong. There's been some, but we talked about that Gallagher, uh, with John West fight. That was a, that was more like a like a, like a WWF. That was like, because there was, about wrestling moves.

Yeah. pulled out in that one. But yeah, that, like, I want to tell you. The problem is like, like the bar,

you know, it's always, yeah, Ross set the bar way too high with that, you know, he connected. The hook, yeah. And,

and now, like, the next fight's got to live up to that, or are you going to get let down? Yeah, we went right from the, the main fight of the evening to the, and I was excited to watch this one because I heard the guy rocked them

and, you know, did his fist. Instead, what I tell you, it looked like the strings on a ceiling fan swinging on each other. I mean, if you look at the does look like that.

I mean, that should have been Chandler's video. It should have been little strings flapping around. You know what they look like? The car sales. I was what I've been saying. That's what they look like.

Chris Rice standing in the middle of it. I've heard the take about the hockey style rules of like when they hit the ground. But like have y'all discussed why that's not allowed? Like why they can't happen? I mean, I just assume that it's probably not for the best interest of anybody.

Interesting, like, because I heard this on a, I put lacrosse growing up, and I heard this on a barstool hockey podcast at one point, and they were talking about like, well, why don't those rules exist in lacrosse? He's like, because we're wearing cleats. Yeah. Like, y'all are on skates. If you land a punch, it's going to be because, like, just sheer luck. Like, you happen to land one.

If we're on cleats, or if we're on dry ground with shoes on, it's going to be a heck of a lot harder than with skates on. I can tell you that. You can generate some serious power. That's why. But, man. I don't know, man, I've seen some good hockey fights. Those guys are, oh, yeah.

But they do lose. their balance. Yeah. Yeah. Quicker. It is easier to take each other down. They go down right away usually. A couple punches and down.

Yeah. Well, I mean, we could just go back to the old school thing. What they put inside the track. A ring. A ring. Yeah. Could do that. Austin Dylan, Austin Zedric.

After the race, pre-concert. I think it was the first lineups actually Freddie in this caller. Yeah. After calling him out. Yeah. I don't want to see Freddie fight. You don't think that's a good idea. All right.

All right. Freddie, open your mouth. Here's warm fireball. Yeah, that's my corner. My corner guy. Hola, amigos. Don't de'est, Corey LaJoy.

Well, hey there, Lejoy, I thought of you a plan how you'd go and prove everybody you're the man. I know of a place where you're worth you can show. You'd be numero. Oh, no.

Down in NASCAR, a coach And you Don't have to worry about Getting beat by a host of art And you won't have the stress And nerves Of driving chasing a car

That cup series gets scary With Larson, Ross and Denny So go and stack Some pesos Cost you sure can't stack Those pennies Oh, that was mean

That was mean But it's funny I think Corey did a great native mean. That was, that was, hey, listen, we, we had everybody on here once in a while has got to take some heat. And I think Corey would be the first to agree that that wasn't the weekend he wanted. So sometimes, I mean, I would, I would take all the heat in the world for that opportunity. Any race car driver. Oh, 100%. You know what I mean? So he still got to go and he got an opportunity that 99% of them guys probably aren't going to get it. And he's excelling in a car that is

not. We enjoy calls like that. I love that. Yeah. I like the OLA events. I just, got called fat. What you don't like is Blaney being on his last role with you. Yeah. Blaney. What in the world? I thought you said Blaney's going to come on the show

and now Dale has him. So we're basically never going to get Blaine. Dale, Dale had a call in a favor because Ross bailed. Or I guess Ross has something to do. I don't know. Believe it or not, Casey, Dale has a little more pull than I do.

I just, I know it's hard to believe. That's why Dale gets Marcus and you guys get me. See how the shit works? Graham, we like you. You're doing. I'll come back on whatever. But yeah. Ryan did say he was coming, so we'll hold it to it.

I'm not talking to him anymore. You can kiss my ass, but maybe one of you guys can call him. I mean, we could, uh, yeah, well, yeah, Dale Jr. is probably definitely going to have a little more pool. We'll just have Dale call him and ask him to go out on DBC. We could probably do that. Do you want to FaceTime and ask him right now? No, right now.

I just got an alert to say he finished a workout. Like, we must be friends on the Apple watches and stuff where it's who you can challenge your friends. I think he does. He said he does like a six-minute workout when he gets up, and it's probably 1130. He's probably getting up, so. All right.

Well, don't forget, leave us in audio message whenever you'd like. Just head to anchor.fm. slash doorbooker clear. Freddie, that's for you since you forgot the link after I said it 20 million times this year. You'll see the message icon at the top, and we will keep playing the best ones. Also, we are working on getting a phone number to call as well. So there will be multiple options?

Will it go to Brett's personal line? Yeah, let's just call Brett. We're just going to tweet Brett's phone number. And that's the, that should be his penalty for not showing up today. I should do that. We just tweet his phone number. I should just not tell, like,

it would be funny if we just didn't tell people it was Brett's number. It was like, hey, call our new hotline. Dude, could you imagine if we actually did do that, how much people just had ran. Oh, that would make my day. So what you could also do with this service is you could, you need an existing phone number to, like forward it to forward it.

And so you could, basically what you do is like, it was going to be set up to my phone. And so I was going to get all the calls and you just like send them straight to voicemail. And we could set it up on Brett's, Brett's phone number. Can we like, no, listen. Can we do a prank of that at some point? Yes. Now you're just telling us. No, no, no, no.

But it doesn't matter because you're still calling reaction theater. But Brett's going to see all the calls come to him. Yeah. I think we did. It's like call forward. it's going to forward to Brett. The only problem is I think Brett needs to send us like a confirmation code he gets on his phone.

Freddie, that's easy. Just goes out of up. Somebody here can access, Brett. I can get that. I get that for sure. Next time, when you're setting it up,

just do it when Freddy's with him and be like, hey. Hey, Brett, I need to see your phone for his phone. Yeah, let me see that. Andrews of Cody. All right. Let's move on to AskDBC.

Another way to get a hold of us. Just use hashtag, SDBC. We'll keep picking the best ones each week. This first one. They're coming out gunning for Graham. Oh, yeah, I'm ready for it. Don't worry. This one is from Zach with Graham as VP of US Legend cars. What is your involvement with the continuing parts and tire shortage?

Hoosier is making enough late model tires, yet legends have to race all year with one set of tires. What do you think? Well, not everybody's racing the whole year on one set. So that's a little bit of an exaggeration. So I'll let's be good about that. But my involvement is I'm working pretty hard to try and put an end to it. And we pride ourselves on having a really good relationship with our suppliers. I've had a really good conversation recently with Hoosier on how we can be more consistent

with the amount of tires we get in and how we can distribute them properly. And our team does a great job of, you know, we've got the whole country. We've got the whole country here. Luckily, you know, a lot of our European customers are using different tire brands because if we were all on one tire, we'd be really out of luck. But we got a whole country of racers to try and service. And I think that what our strategy has been is, rather than keeping everything in the southeast where the hotbed is, we have to be able to focus on some of these people racing in the Midwest

and racing on the West Coast and racing in Texas and everywhere around the country is racing, the Northeast. So if we can distribute those at a rate parts and tires both that we feel is fair to everybody and, you know, everyone's going to feel shorted at some point. Everybody's going to go without tires for a brief period of time and then we're going to get back to it. And I'll tell you the tire situation is getting better. You can hear that from the source. It is.

I'm able to have conversations with Hoosier that leave me smiling rather than questioning my own existence. So yeah, they're great. And I'm really happy with what Hoosier's been able to fix from their issues they've had with material shortage and distribution. I feel like they're starting to get a much better handle on things going forward. And we're very confident we're going to have good tires for you guys this year. And I don't know this. I know it was back in the day a little bit when they were, you know, like we talked about cutting tires and stuff like that.

But ideally, if you had unlimited, endless supply of tires, you could still run these tires. Oh, much longer than you think you can. Now, and I know there's people out there that are making due and some tracks are rougher than others. But these tires do have a great track life on them. I mean, you can run them for a lot longer than people give them credit for. And yeah, the whole purpose of this tire was to eliminate tire cutting because that's another way that I could outspend Freddie or I could outspend TJ at the track was, guess what?

I've got so-and-so who cuts for some ex-N-ass car driver's kid and he's going to cut my tires for $1,600 upset and I'm going to shove with better tires than you. That doesn't happen anymore because of this tire, which is why we are so fervently sticking to it to try and make the racing fair. I like it. The next one is from Joseph. What is the goal for the future and growth of USLCI? Yeah, so I think I want every single kid in the world that wants to drive a race car to think of legend cars is the first thing they think of.

I want it to be the immediate. I want it to be like when the kid runs in the room, like I want to be a race car driver and he throws down his phone and it's opened up to our picture of one of our cars. I wanted to be the most household name in youth racing. At the same time, I'm a car enthusiast. I love cars. I would love to be able to work on cars. Timing and lack of skill and experience are two things to keep me from doing that. Legend cars are a great way to start working on cars because it uses a bike engine.

And anybody that works on cars and tunes cars will tell you, start with a bike. It's a very easy way to learn. So I would like to see more people that tune cars and work on cars get involved with our stuff. The whole idea of this is it's kind of like a piece of sandwich bread. Like the legend car is what you want to make it. If you want to race it under our spec and our series, by all means, do it. If you want to race it on your own at some sort of grassroots event that's not sanctioned by NX, do it. I want to see drift cars.

I want to see rally cars, mad at a legend cars. I want it to be something that's just a toy that people have fun with. And so I think we've already got the development side of it down. We've got so many different drivers developing their careers in these cars. I want to see the enthusiast take over. I want to see more people doing fun stuff with them. I personally really want to turn mine to a rally car. Like I want to find some like suspension that can handle that and like really go out there

and rip it rear wheel drive rally car style um but yeah i don't know i want i want everybody to think they're cool i think they're awesome so they are and they are they have been forever you know what i mean like that's that's that's that was like i said it's become modern day go card racing to me where if you are if you're chasing a career in asphalt racing whether it be nascar or late model or whatever that's where you start the power to weight ratio in a legend car oh they are harder to drive than anything else at riverhead raceway like that's where i grew up and and and you know obviously the car modified tour type modifies are there but that that was the legend cars what donnie lea you brought him up was a great example don't yeah he went from a legend car to an ass car modified like he was

one of the dominant drivers at riverhead in legend cars he also straight into a modifier he also straight were you there early on when he flipped i spotted for him his first every race didn't he flip over in it no i'm talking about his legend car no i don't know i wasn't there probably it would not surprise me if he yeah because i was buddies with him and uh i knew him back then i remember when he first started like what it was first raises he had it flipping over yeah that would be it's He was at Riverhead. But he was dominant. Like when he first started, he wore him out and then he went right to modify.

Like that was the next stepping stone. And he was, yeah, obviously. These cars prepare you for pretty much anything. Oh, yeah. There was a while there where he won. Yeah. Almost everything. Hey, for no other reason, drivers, that was the easiest thing in the world.

I'm telling you what. Like, ladies, like, how long have you been driving since I was nine? Oh, okay. Well, there you go. Yeah, that's the easiest conversation to have. Like, yes, here you go. You've passed. So basically, if you're trying to pick up girls, too.

like how long have you been driving for since? I will not at all in any way. You're not using your driving abilities to pick up girls. I feel like some other people need to learn that. But I do think you touch on a great topic though of, you know, crew members and trying to work on, getting experience working on cars. Like that is an avenue.

We get asked all the time like how do you get started in racing? And I mean, Legends cars seems like a great way to start. With a bike engine for those of you that like don't, maybe not know, like the transmission's part of the engine block. It's all, it's all right there. You can buy the whole thing as one unit. So you're not having to go down the length of the car working on things. All of the mechanics are really just right in front of you.

And it's, it's simple parts. It's easy. It's to wreck a corner in a legend car might be a couple hundred bucks. To wreck a corner in a late model, I don't even know. I never late model race. Modify. You have a modified thousands of dollars. Yeah.

So we're talking like you're basically forfeiting a weekend out and you're going to be able to pay for your entire front right. Yeah. But yeah, it's all designed to be fun, fair, and affordable. If you break a wheel in a light mile, you probably bent the front clip or rear clip. Oh, yeah. So that's expensive. Yeah.

Let's move on to What an idiot. What an idiot, man. Graham, would you like to kick this one off? Yep, pretty quick. Brett, thanks for not showing up, buddy. You know what? I mean, right to the point. I love it.

I thought we had a great conversation in Cota. Turns out Freddie and I did. And I had a great conversation with T. Wilkesboro, but, you know, Brett, I just, you know, if I was going to be on, if you were going to be on my show, I'd be sure to be there. That's all. Well, don't worry. We're all here. We're the ones who are most important. I agree. Yeah. We're doing, we're dropping the ball lately. I missed one. He's now this. He planned to miss this one. I did not plan to miss mine. Um, I'm also going to say, don't call me out. I'm not the idiot next week. I will not be on the show next week.

Oh, where the hell are you going? To Italy. Oh, wow. Why? Must be nice. That must be the boat family vacation this year is Italy. It's his mom's 60th birthday. Yeah. Are they gone, are they gone right? They've been gone for a while, right? What part of Italy are you going to? Lake Homo.

Wow. I thought you were going to say baby moon or whatever you called them. Nope. Not pregnant. They go on a big trip every year. Not as big as this usually. Chad will be there eventually. He's going to be racing until like halfway through.

So who cares? You're probably not going to miss him. So don't make the one to get me next week. I'm calling it out right now. Freddie, who is your pick? Well, you know, I was wanting to give it a jab because you can't make a bit up with the cameras around. It might not have meant that he actually connected. He just meant anyone down there's throwing.

I mean, he said he rocked him and put him in the care center once we. Oh, okay. I retract my statement. He said, did you go to the care center because you were not feeling good or because I rocked you or something like that? Okay, that retracted my statement. There was somebody, oh, Briscoe, not Briscoe, Cindrick. I'm sorry, Briscoe. I'm going to pick on you.

That one, that was pretty part. We'll see how that plays out. But my one idiot for the week is my, because I'm on my last role with this guy, has to be Ryan Blaney. Did you hear this idiot's press conference when he said he is more worried about his internet search history getting revealed than he is about his SMT data being public? What, Ryan, what are you talking about, Ryan? What are you concerned over? What the what the fuck have you been looking at on the internet? So I have a question.

If you're incognito, does it really, is it really, this is making me wonder. Not that I'm worried, but now we're going to have to try to get a hold of Ryan's asking for a friend, Ryan. Now he's never going to come on the show so he doesn't answer that line. Yeah, we're definitely going to ask him about that.

Like, what are you? Hey, I don't know that I wanted that. I'm just repeating what he said. I don't know what he's got going to. I'll tell you what. He's probably trying to get some Google images of Pitt Roads. Yeah. You got to figure out how to navigate them.

Yeah, the long, I can't stop it. Who you got, TJ? You got any idiots? I mean, we'll see how the week plays out. But if it plays out a certain way, I mean, I got to give it to the two because if it goes that way. Well, how could it not? The data.

The data is there, which I'm surprised because I left the track yesterday going, he might get away with it because I don't know that SMT was up. running, you know, and I don't know, but I guess they, it was up and running. So, and there's some pretty, it looks very similar to some SMT I looked at last week. You're going on the straightaway and you're almost to him and you go a little bit left to get to him and then you go a hard left after that. And you, there was, there was a beef before that. So something was going on.

That's probably not a good, I mean, at least wait a couple weeks. Let it blow. Yeah. There's something else. Not while the guys already suspended. Yeah. I mean, back to back it. Yeah.

So that could be. I appreciate him proving my point that the penalty is not hard enough. Yeah. I'm trying to think of what else I saw this weekend. That kind of topped it for me. There was a couple of little things that I saw, but I can't really say. I mean, I was worried about you. You seem to have interesting stories when you go to St. Louis.

Yeah, so I actually went back to that ball. I know. that's what I that might be so somebody said some a friend of ours that works for you went back to the scene and ag yeah so she said we were at one bar watching the expendy race and they picked that they said we're to go this oyster bar to watch dinner I went watch dinner eat dinner and I said all right so then we we get in the Uber and we're heading over there and I'm like this is starting to look familiar this are we going to the same I'm like I feel like we're going to be in the same area where that stuff happened last year and they're like no I don't know and I look we get out and it's the

we're at the restaurant and the bar that it happened outside of was right next door. And I was like, oh, okay. Do you know what happened to Freddie? Did you hear about that? No, no. You got to tell them real quick. The quick version is I was leaving the bar at about, I don't know what time it was late. And a nice gentleman offered to check out your pit road.

Yeah, he was wanting to see my pit road. Oh, is that right? Yeah. And I didn't really know what to say at this point. Can't imagine that you would. I turned around and walked back inside and told Tony Herschman, I'm not going back out there by myself again. Yeah, I was, I mean, he was a very nice,

seem like a very nice guy. Clearly. But it's just not something I was really into at that moment. To reach their own. Yeah. So then I was a tweet I put, I tweeted our day like, I'm back here and there's no offer this year.

365 days later. What happened in the hospitality? Yeah. No kidding. I guess it only nighttime. The sun has to be down for that. But yeah, so that was my dramatic trip to St. Louis last year. But we got through this year.

Fine. We were all good. As well. All right. DBC picks. Freddie, congratulations. You first. No, Brett.

Oh, Danny. Thanks, Danny. Brad shakes first. The guy's great. Who's Brett picking? He's heading to Sonoma. He is picking Michael McDowell. Good pick.

That's what I was going to pick. Oh, man. I'll tell you what. I'm in a I can't pick him because I don't know if he's going to be there. There goes one.

Can we pick in a couple days? Can we delay these? Can I pick two? Can I get an alternate? I already did refresh it. Nothing yet. I think Bubba. I think Bubba's ran like three laps there

in three years. We were in good there last year. The year before you, no, did you blow up last year? Maybe last year we blew up. Yeah. We finished early. We finished like 12 to 13.

So McDowell's gone. I'm going to go with Chris Busher. Chris Busher is a good sleeper pick for a road course. Oh, man. I have two options here. Graham, who would you pick? Am I in the running here?

You're helping me. I really think I've really enjoyed watching the 45 this year. Why are we not picking the guy that won the last race? Well, so that's one of my options. I thought about Suarez. Yeah. Yeah. I'll do Souris.

Of course, yeah. Shut the fuck. I'm going off of Cota. No, I have it. I haven't written down who I'm picking because both my picks got taken. I tried to set the tone right there. My pick doesn't count, right? No.

Yeah. I tried to set the tone with that. I don't know how I think I used him. Oh. You guys got to pick new one each time. Yeah. Or are you going to use each person one time for a year. Oh, okay.

Then it resets the playoffs. I, oh, shit. I'll take Austin Cynchrick. So what happens if you get suspended? He's just laying up. I mean, yeah, he doesn't have a guy. Well, Freddie, pick who you think

is it going to replace him. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I'm saying I would have to pick him right now. Yeah, you don't get an umbrella. Who would the replacement be? I don't know. That's what I'm trying to think of. Yeah, I don't.

Ford development driver. It would be a Ford Xfinity driver. I'm only like, I'll take Cole Custer this week. Ha! So are you picking Cinderick? I don't think that. I don't think that. I don't think that's it.

So you're not taking Cindric. No. I'll take cold Custer. I would take, I would, I mean, is Indy car off next weekend? I don't know. I'd put McLaughlin in it before I put. Oh my God. That would be a story.

I'm going to play some strategy. I'll take Cole Custer. Wow. Can you imagine? Dude, I'm telling you right now, the guy, his V8 supercar background, incredible. Oh, yeah, no, I mean, like, it'd be awesome. I'd be saying, could you imagine that that would be incredible. It would be awesome.

If anything for the story. Oh, well, heading to Snowma, what can we expect besides wine? Man, I love it out there. Just the area itself, the fans where we spot from is great there. There's really not a lot to love about. Yeah. I love Sonoma. It's one of my favorite tracks.

We can see almost the whole race track from where we're at minus a snake, random snake every now and then. Well, that's because you threw it on the ground to f*** with somebody. That was a long time ago. I did do that. So we used to have chairs on the side of the hill and Chris Osborne crazy.

I don't know if you... I remember the name. So he hates snakes. I mean, like, fight if he sees one. And him and this other, Nick DeFazio, we're sitting right next to each of each other. other. And I had this rubber snake and I tossed this snake between the chairs and it literally hits both their feet and kind of goes down over the hill. Oh, perfect. He stands up so fast and I thought

he was going to kill me. Were you spotting yet when I did this? I thought he was going to kill me. He's walking around just like pacing back and forth. He's not somebody you want to mess with you. No, his name is crazy for a reason. Yeah. And he's like pacing back and forth. And he's just like, his fists are clenched. And I'm like, oh, he's going to kill me. And he ended up not, killing me. But he was mad, but it was, I believe it. I couldn't do it again. Like when I, when I through it, it like literally hit both their shoes and went down over the hill and did you all hear about Winston at Wilkesboro? No. Oh, we had a pet. He's about seven and a half, eight feet long. Oh, really? Is he related to one in Coda? Uh, probably. Yeah. So this was,

uh, he was, I guess it was, I'm trying to think about where. It was right in the refreshments right by like sweet five. If you're, if you're thinking about where you were sitting, uh, sweet five, So like on the front stretch, there's like a refreshment stand right there. And in the, I guess it was like kind of near the gutter, we had this massive black snake up there for the entirety of construction. And literally on Thursday, they decided, yeah, today's a good day to put Winston outside. I was like, you waited until Thursday. So they left him up there the whole time.

Yeah, don't need to move him because he's getting rid of all the other stuff. We don't want up there. So he's like, he's doing a good job. But yeah, you'd hear a, you'd hear a bird go in there and then you wouldn't hear it come back out. It was like, Winston was doing, Winston was doing some work. Apparently he went peacefully. He was like, yeah, no problem.

I'll just put me over here. And then didn't stick me somewhere for now. He's probably back now. Oh yeah, he's probably back up there. I hope, man. Yeah. What if he wanted to watch? He might have him out of there.

The problem was is he actually would stick his head down. And when I say friendly, I mean, he was totally fine. He didn't, he wouldn't snap it up heel. But he would stick his head back down when people were walking by and look at you. And we didn't really want to. Probably see three and four better than us. We didn't want that situation. Yeah.

Probably. Well, thank you so much, Graham, for coming on. I do have one question, though. Obviously, you have been in racing. You ever been to Millbridge? Oh, shout out to everyone who tweeted about Milbridge being on race day coverage because I saw that.

So everyone take a drink for all the tweets that I got about that one. But, no, you've been in racing your whole life. You've seen it all and you've seen the business aspect of it. What in a perfect world, what would your future look like? like. Oh, this is tough. You know, I, my dad is like my best friend, my, like, hero, like, all the things. He's also my boss. But I, I have been blessed to have a fantastic relationship with my dad. I would like to be my dad when I grow up, just like he wanted to be Bruton. And I think it's like the, we are all kind of striving for that greatness that Bruton set the bar at. And, you know,

I want to be an entertainer. I want to, I want the fans to have fun at every event that I've been able to touch and be a part of. And yeah, I want to continue doing that. But wherever I fit, I always tell my dad, you know, like talking about the future with whatever we're doing, it's, like I'm like, put me where I can be of assistance. I'm like, you've known me my whole life, literally, you're my dad. Like, so you know what I'm good at. You know what I can do. I was like, put me where I'm going to be the biggest asset. I was like, because I don't want to just sit at a desk and have a title. Like I want to be involved. I want to be able to help. That's why a lot of races, I still pick up a weed eater or still pick up a, you know, a hammer and some nails

and go fix something. Like, you'll see that I was trying to help. I'm not a very good welder, meaning I can't weld at all. But I was trying to help weld some, the Tyson lapboard thing, weld some seating on there with our buddy John. And so I was like, I like being hands-on wherever I can be, as long as I can be a help, as long as I'm a value, then I want to be there. And people notice it. You know, we've seen you now at, you know, a fair amount of tracks, Cota, obviously Charlotte, you know, some of the, all naturally the SMI tracks. You know, it seems like you're kind of shadowing a little bit and just kind of learning everything you can. I'm sure there's a sponge of you. Definitely. Listen, yeah, you know, we are very at

times critical of certain things and certain things, but I don't think anybody does a better job than your dad of. It's not a lack of effort. Yeah. It's the effort is there. Sometimes the execution or whatever might not work out to where everybody loves it, but he's trying things, he's doing things. He does a great job with what he does. And I can't imagine there's anybody better to learn from. you're doing a great job. Thank you. When you get bigger and take over everything, you're not allowed to go on a day or show.

You can only do deep. We'll still be doing this podcast. My roots are here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. My roots are here. So, don't forget where you came from. This is the first podcast I've ever done. Really?

Yeah. Congratulations, you did a great job. Might be your last. Could be. Could be. Might be the last. So about Nashville for Charlotte. Yeah.

All right. Well, we'll see everybody in Sonoma. Like I said, we'll be up top of the hill in turn two. You can wave from there. I don't know if you can get to us. Bring some snakes up there. No snakes. I'm like to get Winston.

Bring them up there. Listen, we need Winston up there because there's probably some bad snakes around there. Probably. So, all right. Yeah, Sonoma's awesome. I'm looking forward to it. It would be great to watch too. Thanks guys.

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