Door Bumper Clear - 295. Wake Me Up When Sonoma Ends

Episode Date: June 12, 2023

Door Bumper Clear returns from sunny Sonoma California with PLENTY to talk about from the weekend. Brett Griffin, Freddie Kraft and TJ Majors welcome Karsyn Elledge was Casey's super-sub on the show!In Spot On Spot Off, the group unpacks NASCAR's new safety changes following a string of big crashes throughout the first half of the season, discusses Chase Elliott's return after his one-week suspension, and dives into the mostly caution free race at Sonoma that opened the door for in-race strategy to play out.The group also points out Ross Chastain has been uncharacteristically quiet the last couple of weeks, and breaks down a handful of not to be missed reaction theatre calls... with a new call-in number! Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

The following is a production of Dirtymoan media. Door, bumper, clear. Clear by two. Please really shallow entry. Door, bumper, clear. Hey, everybody. I'm T.J. Majors. Spotter, the 6th cup car this weekend, the 8x and 80 car.

Lovely road course racing. It was lovely. Brett Griffin Spotter for Colleg Racing. And, Freddie, you're, are you officially on vacation? Well, as soon as I'm done with this podcast, I am. What's that, Freddie Craft Spotter for Bubble Wallace? Chandler Smith this weekend. Fairly

uneventful weekend for me. What's up, Casey? Oh, wait a minute. She was late like Casey. Oh, she was late like. And she just flipped you off. She flipped me off. You can't see me back here.

I know. I don't like this new setup. I can make faces at you. Carson can read my phone. I don't know what's going on here. But no, Casey is off in Lake Como, Italy for her boat, baby moon.

Where's that at? Italy. What is up, Carson? Not a whole lot. Been moving and I'm happy to be on here. I'm glad you guys finally listened to me and brought me on. So hopefully we can have some fun to it. Where are you moving to?

I'm still in Moresville, just to a house, actually, instead of, I'm done with apartment living finally. Yeah. Oh, house owner. Well, Kelly's a house owner. I pay her the mortgage. Are you? Does she charge you rent? Absolutely.

That's not nice, Kelly. No, she, of course she does. She's rich. She's a business woman. She's a business woman. I mean, I'm going to go ahead and tell you, you would do the same thing. No kidding. So what did you get to 4,500 square foot house with a pool?

By the lake. What do we get? We're a townhouse living. We're a townhouse living. There's a pool, but it's a community pool. Might put one of my back patio. We'll see. Is your proximity to big owls changed by much?

Maybe by like a mile. No worries there. Okay, good. I got a pool left over from where I had ducks in my backyard. One of those little Walmart pools, you know, it's about the size of this table. A little eight-foot round pool. Where did we dump the ducks off at? I'm a buddy Joey's house.

Yeah, I dumped the ducks off. You remove the ducks? Yeah, the ducks are gone. Well, we raised them, you know, when I say we very loosely. We, we as in everybody but Brett. I didn't do it. But I got them to my buddy's Joy's house and, you know, we drop them off and they're domesticated ducks, right?

They've never worked for food. Domesticated. They've never worked for water. Everything's just been literally given to them in a bail of pine straw, a little patch in the backyard. And they didn't move much, man. So the first night I dropped them off, my buddy Joy called me. And he's like, man, I looked for them ducks till 3.30 in the morning. And I finally gave up.

I thought they were all dead already. And then at 5.30, you know, I walked out there and there they were. Well, if that does happen, let's not tell anybody in your house about it. They've flown off to the south for the winter. They migrated. Should just have John take care of them. I can't believe, yeah, I can't believe that how were the girl, how was Keely like letting them go? They were good, yeah, because they stunk.

Yeah. And they did it a lot. Wyatt had some and they're disgusting. Yes. They poop a lot. Yep. Like, you've never seen any poop. So we're not getting a new batch anytime soon?

No, there's no more ducks. Are you going to fill the pond in or the pool? I legit don't know how I got talked into this one. I showed up at your house one day and there was little baby ducks running all over the place. And that's, there's really, you can't go to Brett's house and be some, surprised. Like, you walk in and, and there's no, there could be four kids in crutches and, and, you know, casts and ducks and birds and jurt. Well, there's no gerbils anymore. You got dog treat Dave. John took care of him. You got Dave, Dave,

Dave eating a bowl of dog treats. I mean, there's, there's really anything could happen at breads. That's true. I know what one thing he's not, I know one thing John's not doing. What's that? That's feeding that, uh, uh, what was it? Guinea pig or is a guinea pig. Is he a guinea pig or Fred? Poor Fred. Rest in peace. Fred's dead. Uh, anyway. Sonoma? Sonoma.

It was, uh, I'll tell you it was a little chilly for, like normally, Sonoma's like a hundred degrees. Yeah. We're running to our cars to get in AC. It's the greenest I've ever seen it. Yeah, it was the greenest I've ever seen it. I have some buddies that live out there and they told me like that, you know, because if you haven't seen a picture of what Sonoma looks like in April and May, it's

astounding. Yeah. It's way different. So now, you know, we go in here June and it's, and you know, it's kind of burnt up and it's more yellow than green. But it was, it was greener. And the guy said it lasted longer this year, like for any other year. So I guess it's what we caught the tail end of it.

But the racing was all right. You know, it was a snoozer at some points. But that's kind of what road racing is at times, I think. Yeah, I don't, um, wasn't many mistakes. Like most of the time, you know. Well, I think the problem is we've talked about this a thousand times. There was mistakes, but there's no penalty from mistakes anymore. Well, that, but there's so much grip.

Normally somebody wheel hops or something like that. They kind of did. and they kind of saved it easily and they kind of grabbed a gear and they went on and didn't even lose the spot. Yeah, see, that's not how it used to be. I was literally watching this race and you guys are old enough to remember this.

We used to see passing coming up the hill, literally getting into turn two. We would see some passing, a guy like McMurray, you know, some of the better road course guys. We would see some passing into turn three, the left-hander. We would always see passing in four, seven, and eleven.

Now we barely see passing in seven and 11 is the only zone and if you can't get through the second half of the s is you ain't passing nobody no because you could yeah like i noticed yesterday even you know at times in the past like you could dive on a guy in the seven and he was done like there you put him on the outside of the seven and he couldn't but now they just the drive is so good with these cars that i think we passed you on the outside one like brad pulled over to block one time and we just drove on the outside of seven and got a better run off you know and like that was unheard of back in the day i feel like if it's just the the ability to just grab a gear and and take off with these cars is you know

that and there's the the way they took the curb away leaving turn four yeah like that used to be a big deal there is not going over that curb now they just run over there it reminds me of the exit of the carousel at the glen or something like that there's just you just there's race track there just use it yeah when when they don't check up much leaving four there's no no slipping there then they don't that creates less passing in seven as well the four runoff to the left that's what i'm talking about it's yeah it's just too much that makes the passing into seven even less harder yeah yeah yeah because there's no slipping off a four well you don't slow down in four like you used to to make the corner oh yeah you just now now it's it's a wide sweeping corner yeah yeah it's uh it's definitely

a lot different um i mean i hate to blame a car but it kind of it kind of is a car why not i was going to say it's just i mean even we race side by side through the s's and you couldn't do that but if you look at the parameters of four you could easily change that and make it where they can't run off by 30 yards i don't know so they they do these things to make it safer whatever but there's still a wall right there you know what i mean so what's the difference if you leave the curb there and make it harder on the guys or i mean honestly it was probably safer before because they're carrying less speed now they're carrying way more speed there and if they do hit right there it's going to be even worse I don't know how much you guys could see it.

I know you can see turn 11 from where you're at, but it's a long ways away from you. But during the Xfinity race, Larson hit those tires, the little tire clusters they had out. Yeah, I saw that. And it literally knocked a wheel out of his hand, and he almost wrecked. And that's what cost him the ability to have a chance to win that race.

And the Cup Series race in every single stage, they were hitting those tire clusters, and those cup cars were so strong and made so durable, the bodies are, that they would hit them and they would knock the tires to the right, And it just kept changing the apex of the corner. Yeah. And I don't know.

Obviously, you don't want to alter the, you know, the track at all. They were. Yeah, they were. I mean, you're making that corner shorter where you can, you know, take a different line through there. But I don't know, like, I don't know what to do to stop that because. Anchor the tires down. Yeah, but then you're going to wreck race cars. I mean, don't hit the tires.

But there should be a penalty for hitting the tires. If there was a wall there, you wouldn't hit it. Yeah. It's, you wouldn't, you wouldn't be able to move the wall. Yeah, for sure. Like, the option. is you can't throw like I saw you know throw yellow and put them back but you can't like if you do that we'd be under caution after race so you know we've never had this problem there though no

I don't what it's different like I don't understand this body yeah the car yeah the car solid used me when you hit them with the right front with a sheet metal you would tear your car out of pieces it'd be like hitting a jersey barrier I saw the one video LaJoy was next to us and he hit it and just knocked it off to the right didn't do anything yeah I don't know I don't like the course altering during the race Carson do you like that former racer, smart lady. You've dealt with infield tires before. Unfortunately.

They're my arch nemesis. Lost plenty of races by hitting infield tires. But I mean, like, so if, do they reset them, obviously? They did, yeah. You know, like what I'm saying, no, I'm talking about like back when she was racing. Like, if somebody smoked a tire during a run but didn't bring a yellow out, I mean, did you just, did you use that to your advantage or, or did they never really be able to do that? I mean, more than anything, if they were moving them in, they, you know, wouldn't throw yellow or change it or anything, which, I mean, that would help.

There was a time at Millbridge that we all got in trouble because we were basically running in the infield at one point. But, I mean, typically, if they get moved out, they throw yellow and that sucks. But when they get moved in, sometimes it's kind of good to your advantage, especially if the bottom's better than the top. Yeah, which, which that's what those guys were doing yesterday. It seemed like, you know, they could run a lot more. I've only seen a couple times where they actually, when the yellow came out, they actually pushed them back out. but that's because they were getting closer to equipment on the inside or something. Yeah, I couldn't hear.

I couldn't see where they were was like center off of 11, so you can't really see it from where we're at. Or I couldn't anyway. But I heard like Brent Wentz, my spotter down there was like, okay, Bubba, they moved those tires back just like, you know. So obviously Bubba was utilizing wherever the hell they were because we had to tell them that he couldn't do that any longer. So, yeah, I don't know.

It's, I would hate to see wrecking race cars because we've got these solid things in the infield, but there should be a penalty for hitting something that you shouldn't be hitting. I mean, just make them more solid. Make them heavier. Yeah. Put it a wall in there. I don't know if you put a wall in there because, I mean, if somebody comes sliding down the inside there.

Just run the inside of the wall. Yeah, I don't know if we need a wall there. That might be pretty bad. Just make the tires heavier. I don't know. Martin pretty much dominated that race. Yeah. So many times the fastest car doesn't win.

He was. You could see he ran through the field. like and got to denny and then what i think he went by denny right by the right before they pit for the first time he went by denny he he he kind of head fake ditty to the right and denny gave it to him and my joy actually said and then he slams the door did he was not even remotely blocking him and when honestly he should have been uh i don't know what a spotter was saying i don't know who his spotter was down there i don't know if he's looking at his camera or whatever but martin wasn't there yet by the time mark got there it was then he tried to race him and it was

over. Yeah. And it, like that was, you know, Martin, you know, when it leveled out a little bit there at the end, Martin was coming through traffic. I forget where that hell he started. But, you know, he burned his stuff up to get to Danny. And then once they were on equal stuff, it seemed like Martin was the class of the field. Yeah, he was definitely a little bit faster. It was slow, methodical all day. I don't even know that he was that much faster. He was just that much better in traffic. For whatever reason, he's always been one of the best at being able to pass. But, you know, especially at that place but he was even that one that caution when it flipped everybody and some

guys stayed out he was the only one that drove right back to the front everybody else kind of got there methodically but he drove right back to second or third and then ran Kyle down past him he was aggressive on them restarts too which helped I mean if you could be like Bubba was I mean we were running 20th but we were we were making up five or six spots just if you could just be aggressive on a restart because you know you kind of know where they're going to stack up so we were actually utilizing the opposite lanes of the preferred lane a lot of times because you know coming up the hill, the right lane is going to stack up into two. So you run on the top, you get a run there.

The top, the bottom lane is going to stack up into four and seven. So if you could utilize those lanes outside, we passed a couple guys on the outside of 11. You know, just you know where they're going to stack up. So if you can be aggressive, you can make up time. And then we saw, like, there wasn't a lot of passing. So if you could kind of get in where you fit in and then, you know, you could ride it out from there. It was a lot easier to just maintain. So there. One thing to notice, there was a lot of fall off.

for a little while. And then it's like once everybody got to that, sir, and it's almost like once you burnt that, that part of the tire off, everybody was on the same thing. And everybody's lap times were almost the exact same. Yeah,

like we continue to fall off, but we all continue to fall off at the same lap time, you know? Yeah, it definitely minimized though. Like, you would jump, like, I saw this, especially on Saturday. We would be running, running, running. We'd, like, eight or nine laps,

we'd be really good. Not really good, but we were good. And all of a sudden, we would lose a second, like a light switch. And you're like, what the head? I was like, oh, you must have screwed up. And then we just never, you'd never get it back. You're just another 10. I'm telling you. There's like a layer or whatever. They burn through. And then once you get, once you burn through that layer, you're done. And then there, there's still no, like, whenever back in the day when we had raced there, you know the guys. There were some guys really good of

short runs. And there was guys that were really good on long runs. And that never, that still never played off because I think everybody was on, I think once you got through that part of the tire once you got eight or ten laps on your tire everything was the same and never you could never take care of it and they just got so much drive still like there's there's no i mean like you said you can grab a gear and go um i know everybody's still complaining about having need more rear grip off of seven that's never going to go away i don't care if you put eight tires on the thing they're still going to complain about rear grip leaving seven at some point and 11 too so i don't know it just it looked it looked like there still wasn't

nobody looked up on top of the track everybody like coming up the hill right there they're flying like they're stuck to the ground leaving leaving the corners like even leaving seven you see a guy wiggle once in a while but most time it's because he grabbed too much curb or something and it'd upset the car and back in the day the guys used to get super loose there

chate like just couldn't I know when they say they didn't have any regret yesterday compare that to six seven years ago, that's not having any rear grip. They say they don't have rear grip now, and it's hard for us to see it. Used to be when they said they didn't have rear grip. Like skating. Well, you could.

We could tell. Yeah, and you could see, you saw, yes, T.J's, I'm sure, saw this. Like, them guys coming up the hill in the two, a couple times you could see them like, oh, he's overshot the entry. It didn't matter. You know, like, he'd just get it wowed up and take off again. Like, and years past, like they'd be almost floundering off on the left. It was like a three or four foot air.

Like, you know, when they come up there, oh, they're not going to make it. And it was literally a quarter or half of car length at most. It wasn't like they were missing their corner. One thing I say about this 19 bunch is when they win, they win in dominant fashion. Like there ain't a lot of races where Martin squeaks it out. I mean, I remember he gave that race away. It was at Michigan or Kentucky where Custer won. I don't remember.

I think it was either Kentucky or Kansas. Okay. Yeah. So like he doesn't win a lot of races that are just like nail biters. I mean, he goes out there and kicks your ass when he wins. Yeah. And I mean, I think now, I don't know. I don't know this for any official status or anything, but I mean, can we put the Martin Truex retirement to bed, do you think?

Or, like, I feel like this guy's having way too much fun. Well, here's the thing, though, man. Like, it requires a lot of money to keep a guy like Martin around, you know. And when you look at Joe Gibbs Racing, they are the, they're the dinosaur of the sponsorship model right now. When you look at most of these cup teams, they have a plethora of sponsorship from a lot of different companies. But when you look at what was the 18 car with Kyle Bush, M&Ms was the key partner and they took the majority of the races. Bass Pro Shops, the key partner took majority of races. FedEx, the key partner took the majority of the races. And man, those ally at Hendricks, same thing, right?

But for the most part, most of these cup teams have to go out and piece together a 38 race schedule. And Gibbs is not doing that. So if Bass Pro Shops is committed to coming back, I think you're 100% right. Martin Truex will come back because he's having fun. You look at last year, he's high enough in the points to make the playoff and doesn't do it because he doesn't have a win. And here he is this year with a couple wins under his belt, some stage points, and boom, he's going to be rock and roll in his championship.

I mean, right now maybe he's the guy that's the favorite with Kyle Busch on his heels, you know. So when you look at you say, who's retired and who ain't, I don't, I think Martin's fate may not be up to him unless he's willing to take a big pay cut and Bass Pro is walking out the door. I don't know anything about that scenario. I hope Bass Pro comes back. I hope Martin comes back. I think we need legacy guys around.

We don't need a bunch of new names in every single car, every single week. Agreed. What about Reddick? We're talking about Reddick now, I guess? What's Reddick got going on? Redick had a Reddick had himself. So you're retiring?

Yeah, I don't think so. He might have wanted to after yesterday. No, I like that deal. And so he stays out, which they were running incredible lap times. I didn't really blame them or staying out because we had just pit that we were on same plan as them. We had Pitt, and he was running probably a second faster than us at one point in that run. And they got that yellow.

And he stayed out with Chase and Blaney. Legano, I think, LaGano. No. No, I think it was just Chase. It was Chase Blaney, him. Blaney run 30th all day. And Blaney, like, Blaney almost stole it. If he didn't get run over by, I guess it was McDowell.

I saw he was. I didn't see it. I just saw him complain. McBow had a little bit of help. So he was going to steal a... I would say, he was last all day longer. A lap before that, I told Drew, I said Blaney's getting ready. to get moved here because he was kind of holding up the line.

I mean, he was definitely going to finish better than he was. Yeah, at that point, though, if you're running third or four. That's what I'm saying. If you're running third or fourth, I mean, it's probably okay to give up three or four spots right there before you get spun because you were going to run 28th. But yeah, so the Reddick deal, he gets, I guess the 22 got into him and he might be getting shoved or I forget. Well, 12 who could shove, I forget.

But somebody turned the 25 around and he had a flat. You know, he locked them up, slid the tires. So he cuts across the infield there in 11 and comes to pit road. He cut 98% of the racetrack out. Yeah, is that all? I mean, I guess what I heard last night was they deemed he saved 80 seconds is why they gave him a penalty. And they should have. But yeah, and I think there was absolutely the right call for a penalty.

But it was also at the same time absolutely right call on their part to do that. Because that penalty was better than driving. Like their other option was, and I think they presented this to NASCAR, like, what do you want me to do next time? Sit there and wait for a caution. because I wasn't going to drive around the racetrack with a flat tire, or probably multiple flat tires, and wrecked my race car versus just cutting across the infield.

And screw the race up. Yeah, like you could screw the race out. Like, we talked about that on here before. Like how many guys have it, I mean, now they wouldn't be intentional. I guess they would be intentionally drawing yellow, but it wasn't like maliciously. But, you know, so they have to penalize.

I think everything was right here. I think they did the right thing by coming straight to pit road because they were going to wreck their car driving around the track. NASCAR did the right thing because you have to penalize them because you got to realize too now. We're at the same racetrack where Ross Chastain got. away with murder. Yeah.

And you didn't do anything to him. Yeah. I mean, this guy... And that was gaining spots. He gained multiple spots, shortcutting the racetrack. And they did absolutely nothing. Nothing. So I'm sure, leading into the race this week, they looked at that and went, hey, let's not

screw this up again. And they didn't. They did the right thing. Did you think, I'm sure you are watching it? Did we need to throw a yellow for that tire in the middle of pit road? Like, could we not go get it? What do you do you, do you, who do you appoint to go get the tire? Is it one of the pit crew members?

Is it the official? Does the tower? watch turn 11 and say go now the guy go out there and bust his ass now we got a human laying on the racetrack like and i know it's pit road and it's protected but i mean in my mind you're winging it at that point and if you send a guy out there and something happens man that'd be bad no i just so what if you maybe this i think you could you get a big hook yeah well i mean you can't i don't think you can't i don't think you can send a guy out there under green flag could you send carson out there to get it. I don't think you send anybody out there to get it. But why under green in those circumstances,

if it's a blocked pit road, close pit road for a lap, they go get it. But if Tyler Redick has that problem, he's not going to care that pit road's closed. Yeah. And I don't know you can do that because then you're given an advantage to the guys that already pit because they're making up time as you're still on the race track. Because a lot of times you'll pit and or the guy behind you will pit and they'll tell you to pit the next lap. I don't have a problem with you stopping the race to go get the tire. I truly don't. We should make it, you know what we should do is making a fan of. experience. Like, you know, sell some tickets to the fans and they hang out on pit road and like if a tire's out there. If a tire's out there, you're the one going to get it. Did you see a shotgun

this beer? Shuttle this beer and then go get that tire, you idiot. Did you see what happened in Svini race? We were basically that tire sitting on pit road. But here's the thing now, like, do you just knock a tire out of? Like if your teammate needs a little help, you just go out there and bang a tire. Roll a tire out of the pit. Yeah. Uncontrolled tire. Sorry. I'm sorry to the tail. You didn't even pit. Sorry. Got away from me. So we got, I don't know if they, I don't know what they showed on TV. Can you imagine that we're right there racing all of a sudden?

And nobody's pitted and all of a sudden the tire just goes creeping across pit road because someone wants a caution. That'd be really bad. Do it somewhere. It doesn't have a pit road on the outside. Oh, like grass or something. Just roll it out of the grass. Charlotte.

Good Lord. I'm kidding. We got pushed to pit road on Saturday. I don't know if you saw this or not. We get pushed to pit road. And they opened pit road right behind you. And then the push truck lets us go at the entry of pit road. road and we have no power in the car like can't can't move and we get pushed to pit road well it's

not enough to get us all the way to our stall so and then they open pit road and here come all the cars right behind us and we're sitting out there against the wall on pair road dead in the water and then I'm talking to the fish I'm like hey we still need push into our stall and he's like well don't move I'm like you ain't got to worry about that I'm not moving yeah you don't have to worry about that, but like, that's kind of sketchy there because if somebody doesn't know, we don't know, somebody doesn't know you're sitting there and the car swears in front of you, you're something, you could get hit pretty easily. My favorite official story, because that's obviously an airhead moment. If you can't move and you're asking for a push and they tell you

don't move, that's pretty hard. My favorite official moment was when a new official showed up, it goes, how do they get in the car? There's no door. Mine, what, my, no door handle. The car's just looking at me like, I'm crazy. My favorite. Who was that, Socco? I'm just kidding. Do these guys race at night with these fake lights? My favorite was last year we had an official that we have a radio from NASCAR, and depending on the racetrack and sides of the racetrack,

they are on a different channel sometimes on the frequencies. So every week we ask, what channels NASCAR on? What channels NASCAR on? So there was a new official, like, rookie, rookie, never seen it before. Somebody said, hey, what channel is NASCAR on? And he said FS1. that's genius i mean well i mean he wasn't wrong he wasn't wrong but listen we've got so many friends or officials they're going to hear these stories and they're going to start texting all of us

telling us even more stories they're going to start texting each other going who the which one of you idiots is this oh guess what what i got a good story for you what is it what is ernie's oh is you go to ernie's yeah yeah so did you get your phone out no but somebody did who wasn't it wasn't hern was it no it It wasn't a spotter. It might have been a truck driver. Truck driver that we know? Yeah. So there's a bar out there called Ernie's, and it's literally a garage.

Ernie's 10 bar. You ever been, Andrew? Been a Sonoma before. I've been once. Yeah. So Ernie's is beer only, right? Yeah. Beer only, and you are not allowed to get yourself on out.

If you do, you've got to buy the whole bar around. Everybody in the bar. Oh, wow. I've never been there in all these years, so I finally stopped. That's because you live in Nintendo World when you're out there. Welcome to the real world. Ain't it fun? Yeah, that's neat.

but apparently he it's weird because I guess if you're sitting outside you can be on your phone just can't be talking on it but if you're in he answered his phone he was responding to a text something he really isn't even on his phone talking to somebody but um he did crawl across the floor begging for them not to buy the entire bar it's pretty busy in there it was pretty it wasn't that busy then it was like super early what's their reasoning for not being able to have like be in the moment just to yeah conversing well they don't want people in their talking about talking on their phone ruining the bar. Yeah.

Like back in the day, Carson, we would go out. You didn't really do anything on your phone. Did you rent? We didn't have phones when I started on. Exactly. I wish there weren't phones now when I go out. That's why you go to Ernie's. We need an Ernie's in Moorsville.

Who the hell were we there with that day? It was, uh, oh, Reed with the guy. Yeah. He's Guy's guy. Guy's guy. Guy's guy. Guy's guy. Guy's guy.

Guy's manager. That was a long, that was a long day. I was a long time. I didn't think you left me there. I dip. But the one time I didn't dip, we ended up back at the pool. That was a long day. Yeah, good thing it's easy to spot it's Sonoma.

Spot on, spot off. Spot off. Spot off. Spot on. It was super fun yesterday to ride around there. I am spot off. Damn. Where did he come from?

All right, Carson, let's kick this thing off. All right. Let's do a little spot on. Are you ready for this? Are you ready? I don't know. This is nerve-wracking, honestly. You have such a great voice for this.

Thanks. It's like the nicest thing you've ever said to me. She has no idea how mad she's going to get at you over the search of the show. Probably. I'm scared. Okay, NASCAR implements safety changes after Kyle Larson and Ryan Priest's crash at Talladega. The changes will be put into effect for the July 9th race weekend at Atlanta Motors Speedway. Brett.

I am spot on for this from a safety perspective. We've heard a lot of talk about. these cars being too rigid and not giving enough and the driver taking the brunt of the impact. When I originally was told about this thing, you know, coming out, I was looking at these bars and I was like, man, that looks like a lot of work. And then I got to talk in and even talking to people like Freddie and talking to some of my buddies in these race shops. And there were some teams that said they could do all of theirs in a matter of what, Freddie, a day? Not all of. They could do, they could do some teams are saying about an hour to do a frame rail okay the first team i talked to

was eight hours to do a frame rail so your team that you're referencing not your team in general but just the team you're talking about they were saying they could do one in 45 50 minutes yeah and and the team i was talking to was saying they could do it in seven eight hours so i was looking at man workload how do you if you're a smaller team how do you overcome this and and some of these teams are even reaching back out to the frame rail manufacturer saying will you do this update for us us and they said no we don't have the manpower to do that either so um again i'm all for making these cars safer obviously we've got no out with a concussion this week i hope he's doing better and feeling better i thought he was concussed when he came out to do his interview post race i was

really surprised and i've told freddie this in a text message i was very surprised to see him standing there in front of a camera doing an interview and his interview he seemed off and i Obviously, it took a couple days for the symptoms to come forward because I'm of the belief they would not have sent him out there in front of a camera had he failed concussion protocol. Here's the good thing for Noah, though, having spoken to some other people in the industry. Toyota does an amazing job of baselining their drivers. So they have a lot, and Carson's not on their head, they have a lot of data that they can go back and look at to see how bad was this concussion. Some of the other manufacturers were not as far ahead in the only concussion protocol. all obviously somewhat new to the NASCAR world.

We've always had concussions. I mean, I am convinced, if Elliot Sadler were sitting here right now, I am convinced he raced with a concussion at Michigan the day after he flipped what felt like eight or ten times down the front stretch. And we're always going to have concussions because your brain is going to bounce off your skull when you're hitting the wall at 200 miles an hour. You can't put enough stuff in these cars to make that not happen. What we do have now, though, is ability and the awareness to say,

Noah, you don't have to go out and race, man. You can still make a playoff if you pull off a plate win at Daytona in the summer or wherever that win might come. So I'm thumbs up for really this whole scenario. I just want to get it to where we know this car, and this is going to sound crass, but I want to know that this car is as safe as the last car, and we're not there yet. No, and we've said that from day one on here. like why would you ever take any step back in the safety department i get you know whatever you want to do

as far as anything else in the sports concerned the one thing you can't do is be point zero zero zero zero one percent less safe than you were before and i feel like unfortunately we are right now and that's not a dramatization of you know my god these cars are going to hurt somebody we've seen the people get hurt kurt bush retired now or i don't know where he's at but he's not racing any race uh credit to noah though you know noah this sounded to me like it was noah stepping up and saying he's not doesn't feel right to go so you know that's that's hard for these guys to do you know that's hard to step out of a car um you know you talking about the car though you know i don't know if everybody saw but what they what they did was they've they've put slots in the frame

rails in the front clip um they've they've reinforced with uh steel plates the door bars on the right side that you know where the the protrusion was on the uh on larsson's car and then they've changed some bumper the front bumper struts a lot and if you watch the video they put out like you can clearly see a lot more energy absorbed by the car, which is in turn hopefully less energy absorbed by the driver. There is more give there. There's more, you know, it's, it crushes an awful lot. So, you know, my only concern would be, you know,

hopefully we're not compromising the front clip to where, you know, we could still be pretty aggressive, especially like plate races pushing each other. I don't think it's going to be that week. Here's my concern. You bring up concerns. I love to hear what TJ thinks on this. My concern is we're buying everything now from third party

vendors are NASCAR and they've got their thumb on everything. They've got their hand in the pot. We're now buying this from a manufacturer and they're telling us the teams to modify it. Yeah. And this is the first time. Like I was talking to somebody, one of the prominent team guy. And aside from, they put gussets in the, in the door bars after, right directly after Tau DeG, that was a quick, easy fix. Other than that, this is the first thing that the teams themselves have been allowed to alter on these new cars, you know, and modify it. Now, and it's a pretty, big step because you know it you're talking about cutting the frame rails and cutting the front bumper supports you know uh so you know hopefully and listen we there's no secret we talked about it on

here a lot of these teams let a lot of their fabricators go two years ago when this car came about so now where them guys at you know this these are the guys like and i'm talking about you know some of the teams the reason why some of the teams can do stuff in an hour versus eight hours is you know some teams have equipment that they can laser cut or you know they have C and C whatever to cut this stuff a lot faster versus a team that's basically doing it manually so it's going to be interesting to see how it goes but T.J I mean I obviously all the name of safety yeah I actually liked this I liked to see what they were doing to make it give a little bit more yeah definitely have to be careful because these teams are smart and there's a

I don't know if this area actually gives any, if there's any advantage or anything they can do in that area. They're going to look for an advantage. Oh, always. Always. They're probably already looked at it. So, yeah, I don't, I mean, it's always good when they implement safety changes to me. It's always, you know, step in the right direction to make things safer. And usually they do, they've been very proactive with things most of the time and try to keep these guys safe.

And I was glad to see those. I got to talk about teams and using the advantage. Did you see the, they put, they brought out the knack of duck from the 14 car. That was just a quality control issue. They must have left it in the dryer too long and it shrunk a couple inches. I was looking at that and I was thinking like that's when your project in school was so bad that like the teacher uses it as an example of like what not to do. I thought it was fun.

I laughed at, you know, because they came out. So it was zippy or whoever it's sort of. You know, just a quality control problem. Then they got that go no go gauge where it's like now this is just, not even close. Yeah, that Brad Moran guy, he did a pretty good job of explaining it to everybody and showing it to the media, which I, man, listen, we talk about it on here all the time, transparency.

And if you're a fan, you feel like you got told the truth. We have all these NASCAR conspiracies out there because they don't do things like this. So when they come forward and do something like this, if you're a team, you know, if you're Chase Elliott, you just got suspended and you're Stuart Haas and you just got fine. fans are going, well, this is ridiculous. Well, they just told you why. They showed you why. So you really can't argue against them.

I love it. I'm pro NASCAR doing this. Oh, yeah. It's great. And then, you know, like, listen, I'll ask you guys both this question. In the field on Sunday yesterday, how many 100% legal cars are out there? None. Just ours.

Actually, I'm going to tell you that by Harrison Burton and Ryan Planey appeared to be 100% illegal. Austin Cendrick, they appeared to be 100%. 100% leak what happened there bless their hearts by the way i don't i looked up i didn't realize so i was you know we weren't lighting the world on fire by no means we were probably like i did the same thing 19th 19th car and i looked up and i was like the 78 just passed the 2 the 21 and the 12 and i was like oh wow and then and we and we had faded we had faded pretty hard in the beginning we were back there like 27 28th and we had caught blaney at one point and he just moved over and let us go yeah and bubba's like ha ha ha ha

y'all thought I was mad like I don't believe in being a quitter but at that point just just hang it up just hang it up clear behind the 78 hey listen I I use him as an example because you don't normally see him Balicki did a really good job yesterday in that car he was there wasn't he didn't only pass them guys he was following us up to just outside the yeah I see he was he was who was he complained about I didn't even see 77 77 yeah tied ell and wrecked yeah but he was I thought he was having a phenomenal race for the 78 car. And, and unfortunately,

he gets turned around the end and I'm sure he doesn't. I think he slowed down too much. I saw the replay. Andrew sent a replay out. I'm convinced that he slowed down too much. But again, that's usually what happens.

Wasn't they, uh, weren't they, too wide already though? Like, the guy, the 77 was inside somebody else. Anytime the third guy to the party

tries to go down on the inside, when the guy's already on the bottom, there's going to be a wreck. Yeah. Yeah. So, But yeah, they got to be careful when you're inside on the bottom. Narrows up real fast.

Real fast. Yeah. And you usually get inside somebody else and then it gets back. Not good. Sorry about that, Josh. Next time, don't slow down so much. You won't get it in the rear. Bulldo's the guy you're trying to pass.

Yeah. All right. Okay. All right. Chase Elliott returns to the track this weekend after a one-race suspension and says not everybody is perfect and mistakes are going to be made. you're going to have tough times and I'm not proud of it by any means TJ

um you know I'm I guess I'm spot on for was it a week later finally hearing about yeah so more than that I guess so um yeah it's good to see it's good to see Chase open up about it a little bit and and talk about it I honestly didn't think he was going to say anything so um good to see him something come from it and

looks like he's moved on I didn't see his comments this is literally the only quote I've seen. I did see a tweet about it that he was very candid for 11 minutes and answered all the questions to TJ's point. I do appreciate that. What I want to see now happen is these guys tell the truth in interviews and that's car not punish them. I don't think Denny Hamlin should be fine. I don't think, you know, Chase Elliott, he got out of the car and acted like, well, once you hit the wall, you can't drive these things. Man, when you right rear somebody, you should literally be embarrassed. I don't care. After the fact, you should be like, man, I screwed up. I got mad. and I did something really stupid,

and if NASCAR comes down on me, I get it. I know why because I, like, I am tired of being lied to, and it's not Ryan Priest's fault, but he lied to us. It's condescending, you know? He lied to us. He lied to the fans. He lied to everybody because in the past, if you do that, you get in trouble. So don't tell the truth.

You get in trouble. Let these motherfuck up tell us the truth. Yeah. I mean, it's insulting to your intelligence as a fan. Like some people haven't been watching racing forever, but anybody that's watched Cup racing for the last five years or so knows that Ryan Priest

was intentionally retaliating against Kyle Larson and then he has to get out of the car and just act like an idiot. Like, uh, Bob, what do you mean? Well, I mean, the other, I think both of them, Dick, because the other one retaliated the same way and then said his thing was broke, but ran two laps and drove it to the holler. Yeah.

It's, you know, but that's the point. Like, just let them do, like, let them be themselves. And the people will appreciate it. And you'll get to see a lot more personality out of these guys. Right now, there's guys we've talked to, like, hey, you want to come on the podcast? No, no. There's no telling what I can say on there and get me in trouble.

So you can't, like, that's a major issue when you're kind of putting a muzzle on where we're already people were just begging for people to show more personality and see more of these drivers. And now they can't be themselves because of their living in fear of what NASCAR might do to them if they're honest and tell the truth about what happened on the racetrack. Here's, this is a good time to say this. Okay. There's a lot of times where, to Freddie's point, listen, I would love to have Chase Elliott on this podcast. I think there's no chance. He'd come on here. No percent chance.

Carson's over there going no. No way. We talk about people who give us to talk about. Okay, that's a fact. This is a good point. Carson Hosevar. How much shit have we talked about Carson Hosevar? We, I don't know about we, you maybe.

And most of us, you. Brett and the mouse and his podcast. Yeah, but hey, but to that point, to what I told Noah back in the day, if you don't do dumb shit, we don't have anything to talk about. But guess who came on the podcast? Noah. Noah.

Yeah, Noah. Guess who else is coming on a podcast? Yeah, I know. Carson Hosevar is coming on this podcast during the month of July. Are you actually going to be here? 100%. What about that heckler in Charlotte?

Is he coming to you? I'm 100% going to be here. The guy you were going to fight in the crowd. I'm excited that Carson's going to be here. We talked about this last week with that interview he did. That was the first step I've seen to Carson Hosevar maturing in a big way from everything in the past. Pretty sure he went and tried to run the dream this last weekend, too. He was there.

I don't know how he did. Carson had Carson had Carson do. I actually think he was really close to making the race. That's impressive. Yeah, he actually had, from what I saw it, I don't know, but it seems like he was just outside of the transfer spot. My point is, we welcome all walks of life in here on this show. Mike Joy, we had a problem with him.

We had some disagreements. Disagreements about what he was saying versus what was happening. We thought he was talking about Noah, and he said he wasn't talking about Noah. We bring him on here. Obviously, he was on a Zoom, but we won't have guests. We want guys to feel welcome on here and be able to come in here and say what they think. And listen, sometimes we say stuff that it's rare, but we say stuff that isn't right. Mainly you.

Most of the time, it's all right. But anyway. It depends who you ask. Anyway, Carson. Okay. Cup Series drivers dominated most of the debut. NASCAR Xfinity Series race at Sonoma. Freddie, spot on, spot off.

Spot off. I felt like this was back in the early, you know, late 2000s, early 2010s, whereas, you know, the Cup guys were winning all the races and I was actually having a my buddy our buddy Dave De Rosa. I don't know if you remember him. He was the guy we met a big house. He's buddy of Noah's he he was asking me about you know, he had a group of friends with him. He was talking about cup guys not running the Xfinity races anymore. And I said, well, like you're going to see it today.

Like Kyle Larson's going to unless something happens, something happened. I said he's going to dominate this race. And then there's going to be other guys up there, whoever, Ty Gibbs, Eric, obviously. who wins the race. You know, them guys, and I don't know what it looked like on TV, but I'm sure they had to highlight those guys because they were the only ones up front.

It was a four-man show. Yeah, and it was, it's unfortunate. And I don't know that I feel like going to a place where Cup has been running and Xfinity hasn't, you probably should not let the Cup guys run. You know, I don't,

I have less of it. I have more of a problem with that than we go somewhere where Xfinity's been running, a cup hasn't, and you don't let the Cup guys run. Yeah, they had a huge advantage there. I mean, From the gigo.

Yeah. Like you could see, it was like they were, Larsen. Like your guy, first laps on the track probably ever. Well, he might run the truck race there last year. He ran truck race there last year. Yeah. My guy never been on the place. Yeah.

Well, what Freddy's alluded to is you have guys that have run hundreds, if not thousands of laps around Sonoma. It's thousands. Versus guys that have run zero. Zero. Never even seen the place. So who you think is going to do better. Yeah.

So I don't know. Going forward if that's an option to like, let's not let these cup guys come in and dominate, but it is what it is. They're within the parameters of the rules. that they have now. But yeah, they for sure dominated right up

until Larson he kind of... How about the lead he had in the beginning? He was... I looked at the result... I wasn't there for practice on Friday,

but I got... When we landed, I looked, and his average lap time was almost seven tenths faster than the field. Average. He was one point two seconds

faster on the fast lap, but his average was over a half a second fast than everybody. And I thought he was out there just kind of rolling around. AJ could kind of maintain pace with them.

but I think Kyle was probably just saving his stuff at that point. Yeah. But it was... I think AJ was definitely at his limit of he couldn't go any faster. And in the race, I mean, he'd just like... It was like three quarters of a track in front of everybody. Yeah. It was...

But, like, that's why they run the races out because you saw what happened. He, you know, Suarez and the 29, which I think was Alex Lebe. They stay out. Lebeye, I think, was out of tires where they were trying to get a set mounted up. And they didn't get it in time. So they were out of tires. and then Suarez stayed out just hoping probably for a later caution to put tires on and have an advantage. But I'm assuming that that's how Larson lost control of the race because he didn't get through that restart as well as them other guys.

Yeah. He got behind Eric and he rode behind him for five, six, seven, eight laps or whatever. Then, you know, he had that incident in 11, which I mean, if there was four or five more laps, he, I don't know, it might have been, it's tough, man. Eric was doing a really good job leading. He was once he got the lead. I mean, Larson was running AJ down. and then once he hit those tires, it was kind of over. That gave me hope for the race on Sunday playing out similar with somebody, you know,

with a tire strategy, you're kind of, you got to catch the caution. Yeah, it was cool to see Eric win because what do you have? Probably three or four Xfinity wins going into that race. Got a couple cup wins, won it. Talladega rain shortened, one at New Hampshire. Daytona, Daytona, Dayton, Rain Shorten. Yeah, I knew we were somewhere to play race. So cool for him to win with his kids there, man.

I always like to see that. I will say this, though. Jamie Little yesterday was kind of high. typing up Ty Gibbs for the Sonoma race. Like he may get his first win today. And I'm like, no, he ain't going to get his first win today. A cup track he's never been on in a cup car. And he's racing animals today.

He wasn't racing animals yesterday. So it's tough to go to some of these places. And I mean, I'll rattle them off. You ain't going to go to Martinsville in your first ever cup start and win. You're not going to Merrinsville, probably in any of your first starts and winning. That place is tough. It's tough. Sonoma, you ain't going to go there in your first ever start in the series.

Not like not at the cup level and win. You ain't going to do it at Watkins Glen. Like there's just certain tracks that are too hard that you have to have experience on to compete with these guys. And to your point, man, I'm now upset. I was upset with the lack of coverage throughout the field on Saturday because I wanted to know how Chandler Smith was doing. I wanted to know how Josh Barry was doing. And they weren't getting any coverage. Well, we were sitting on pit road.

I saw that. But to now hear you guys say, why is for? frustrating because there's no wonder those four guys kicked the shit out of the rest of them. I will say this, though, Daniel Suarez yesterday, he made a screw up, big screw up. He was in second gear, and they said on the broadcast that he digressed to the day before and thought he was upshifting by going up from second to third gear, when in reality with this new shifter in the cup car, he went from second year to the first gear. So when you guys saw him have a problem, that's what it was.

the day before he was shifting up from second to third, and the very next day, if you shift up, you downshift. Yeah. So mental screw up. He, yeah, I saw, like, there was the first lap, and it was off of seven, I think is what it was, because he was, we were going by him through the S's, like, he lost all of his track position and never got it back really. He was back there with us the rest of the day.

So, yeah, that one, one issue can ruin your day. And he got more track time, obviously, by running the race on Saturday. But you don't have that mental screw up if you don't run on Saturday. No. I mean, we saw it. Who was the last year? Denny? I think Denny was the one that blew his stuff up, leaving pit road.

I mean, I wasn't related to run the next Phidney race, but he was leaving Pitt Road and went to the same thing, second to first or third to first or something. I don't remember. I will say it's kind of funny. What was Eric's banner? Like, what team was he racing? I know this week.

That was Ryan Seag racing. I was told that there was a picture out there with the number 98 chassis literally on the car. Yeah, of course. Which is cool, man. I don't carry you away. And listen, that might be, I don't know what chassis numbers there are. I'm sure Sieg is buying cars from

Steward House. But I'm going to assume like we saw last year with the 07. I'm pretty sure that was a Stewart-Hoss car. You want to bet? It's like that car, the priest won in on Friday in the Yorker race. Same thing. But, yeah. But it was good to see him win.

Two cautions and a caution-free stage break. Open the door for strategy to play out in the Cup Series race. T.J. Yeah, I'm all for the... I'm all for it. I just wish the cars were harder to drive. and there was more natural cautions when guys made mistakes because it's too easy recover like we've talked about maybe once or twice before on the show it's too easy to recover too easy to make a

mistake and a few years ago that mistake would have cost you 10 spots now it costs you maybe 10 feet so i just think they it's these are supposed to be the not that these guys these guys are all phenomenal drivers but these are supposed to be the hardest cars to drive Joy Laganos said there's no penalty for overdriving the corner anymore. That should be a huge. That shouldn't be a warning shot to NASCAR. That should be a missile going at NASCAR R&D Center this morning. Because they have, as a driver, Carson, you can't be held to a standard where you make a mistake and there's no penalty.

You agree with that? I agree. I mean, so to lay it out, there was basically three options yesterday to run the race. You know, we used to see, and Sonoma's a lot different because the tire fall off at Sonoma is a lot more than. I think we tried, we were the first one to try something different. Yeah, you were, you were the, so there was, you could run a two-stop strategy, which meant you were pitting every 36 laps and that just wasn't going to work because your fall off was way too much.

You weren't going to be able to run a full fuel run. The, the, it seemed like what people were going to split on was a three-stop or a four-stop, which a three-stop you'd put every 28-ish laps, a three-stop, you were going to put every 22 laps or so. And I think that's what TJ. You actually were way early. The first time, you were like, 17 or something like that. Just see what happened.

Yeah. And I think that if it plays out, you know, and that's what I like about this no, and I was kind of like, we get the beginning of that race and we're getting strung out and it's, we pass the first stage and there's no caution. And I'm like, man, maybe, maybe I should rethink this whole no stage caution thing because this is boring as but then like once it, once it's, you see it start to play out and, you know, now you see different strategies because guys are, you know, you see a little different strategies with the stages because guys were chasing points versus pitting for track position. Yeah. But you kind of never just, you know, You know, are you willing to risk the whole field to get a couple of points?

But now you see, like, naturally playing out guys would come at 22. Then guys ran along. We were running long until 28. And the three stop was, I think, going to work out. What flipped the three stop, though, was that stage, that caution for, I think there was a tire. The tire, the tire up the road. The four-stop guys who pit earlier, they came. And then the caution fell between the four and the three strategy.

Yeah. So now all the three stoppers. Yeah. The eight, Lagano, there's like seven or eight guys. I think you guys stayed out. But like you probably had a little bit older tires.

We did. We were trying to get stage points. Yeah, they fell a little bit harder than some. But then, you know, it was just that when you have a caution like that, that's the risk you're taking.

Like I think the three stop strategy was faster. Like just overall was going to work out. And it's the strategy Truex is on. And he made it work, obviously. But, you know, you run that risk of if that caution comes out after them,

them guys pick. it. Now you're, you know, you're going to cycle behind them and have to go through traffic, which, you know, you saw some of them guys come. Truex came through traffic and got back to the front. Busher got back up there. McDowell was, I thought, the best Ford all day long yesterday, which is ironic. I actually think at the end of their race, I think Chris was faster than him. He ran down. Oh, yeah, he ran him down. But I'm just saying, if they could have had a restart with the 19 and 17, they might have had a pretty good race at the end. Throughout the race, the 34, I thought was the best forward on the racetrack. But he was good enough to continue to win. Yeah. And, and, and you, like, those three drove back to the front, but then you've seen a guy like Danny who was up there with Martin. He'd never, you know, he kind of lost some spots on. He had a, he came out of the pits probably, I don't know, 14th, 12, 14thish and never really got back up in there much. And before he wrecked. And then, you know, but then there are some guys also the eight and the 22 stay out. They maintain a lot better than some of the other guys. So it was just, it was good to see a mixed strategy and guys having to do different things where you can't just plan your entire race around. Okay, we know the caution is coming out here. We know. We know.

no other caution is coming out here. We're going to do one of two different things and make it work. It is so hard. It's almost impossible. It's a unicorn. But you're not going to win a cup race with a pit crew that's not exceptional. There's too many pit stops. And once you get behind, you can't make it up. And once McDowell come off, he was like running third or fourth, once he come off ninth or tenth or whatever it was, he's done. Martin Truex. If they'd have had a bad stop, which they didn't. He's, he's probably done at that point. I text, I think it was you that I texted yesterday. I said, if we never had to come down pit road today, I think Michael McDowell could very easily win this race. And it's not really, I don't want to sound like it's a

knock on the 34 crew, but they're not going to consistently beat the 19 off pit road. I don't think. They're not, no chance. They might beat them one out of ten times. So, you know, you have one little slip and you lose four or five spots on pit road. And that slip is to lose that many It's so small, too. Especially now, because the pit stop I've seen yesterday, they said, I think it was Kyle's team busted off like Kyle Busch. They put like a 9-1 or something like that. So, like, I mean, if you do it, if you're a 9-6, like you just lost car links. You couldn't even run around the car nine seconds. Much less change. Tire, jack it up, put gas in it. Jesus. That's crazy.

Okay. Let's do a little DBCA Maine. Did you guys see Carson Macedo's accident at Knoxville? I did. I was actually. watching it live on DirtVision and it was spectacular. I was really worried. Big props to the safety crews that I'm telling you they were there. And I don't even think he was done stopped at for about four seconds. And there was already almost a car pulling up there, stopping at his car. Knoxville has the best safety crew hands down.

Unreal. To break it down for Brett probably didn't get to see this. He was kind of tied up all weekend. So Carson's in the middle of three and four. Just thing hooks a dead right. pounds the fence, flips up, lands, first land, looked like the first impact was tail tank,

bust the fuel tank. Yeah. As soon as he comes to arrest, thing erupts in flames. Oh. And he's out. So now... He's knocked out.

Yeah. For like 30 seconds, he was sitting in there just burning. And he's okay. Brett. He only, I think he only ended up with burns like on his neck and chest

and he was able to walk out of the hospital and everything. Yeah. To T.J's point, you'll see in the video, Brett, like the crew's there before the car stopped moving. guys like Gio Selsie. Yeah, Gio Selsie, Baston, Brad, Sweet, they jumped out of their cars,

dove in there. I mean, I've seen one time Gio's on fire. They're like, he's in there trying to, and when he walks away from the car, he's literally on fire. They're spraying him with the- It's amazing. These guys can get out of their cars that fast

and get somewhere. I mean, it was, it was, thank God Carson's okay. Yeah. Release him to hospital later that night. Yeah. Yep. The bravery shown to buckle in these cars is insane.

The bravery is shown to dive into a fire to save your buddy. That's even more. insane. It was scary to watch, but it's luckily... It's rare we have somebody with Carson's talent. I don't want to make her head blow up right now, but we don't have a lot of dirt racers that come in here that, like, what's it like flipping in those things? It hurts. It hurts. You were talking about concussions earlier. It hurts. I mean, I've never raised a sprint car with like a wing sprint car. I probably would never. They look like they would scare the hell out of me. But I mean, flipping a midget, it hurts.

I think I'd rather flip something with a wing than a midget. Yeah, because, well, I mean, yeah, back when I was racing outlaw cards, you know, it's kind of like a shrunk down version of a 4-10. And so the wing does help a lot with cushioning to blow a little bit. But flip in a non-wing sprint car or a midget, I mean, it's your beat up. I've got pictures of, you know, the insane baseball-sized bruises I would have. I mean, that stuff hurts. I can't remember ever.

Like, I feel like when you wrecked. I crashed some shit. You did it. Because like every, like, I mean, I'm not saying you wrecked a lot. No, but it was never small. When I wrecked it was never small. Every time it was like a holy shit moment. It was like a, I can't believe she's alive.

Yes. But what's it like climbing into those cars knowing you might flip like that? Like is it in the back of your mind or you just try to block it? I mean, I won't lie. Towards the end of when I was racing, I had, you know, like Freddie's talking about like a couple of those big crashes. I started to get, like I will say, I started to get scared. You know, I was, I was like, man, is this, is this worth it?

Is it worth, you know, bonk in my head all the time? But, I mean, usually other than that, you're just so in the heat of it all. And it's so much fun that once you're on the racetrack, you know, you're not thinking about any of that. I thought that there's a really good, like I think it's four or five part documentary series called Dirt. And it was, they talked to one of the guys in the show was my buddy, Tyler Courtney. And he was, he grew up. on Brian Clausen's crew, you know, and that's kind of where he got started with them guys. And then he obviously was always racing himself, but that's kind of like, you know, he was on the

road with them guys traveling, working on Brian's car. And then they just talked to him about, you know, like now this is what you do for you. You've seen, you know, unfortunately, Brian was killed in a wreck at Belleville in a midget. And, you know, now this is your, he's stepped in. He drives the Clausen Marshall sprint car, which, you know, Tim Clausen, Brian's dad owns, part owner of at least. And, you know, they asked him about it. He's like, well, you know, it's there, but you just, you can't let that affect the way you drive a race car, because obviously you wouldn't be as good as you are. Yeah.

You suck. I got to ask you this, too, Carson, before we move on. So you grew up watching your uncle's race. I don't know what that's like because my uncles didn't race cars at the top level, like Kerry and Dale have. What's it like watching your brother race? Oh, my gosh. I feel like he's preparing me for, like, if I ever have a kid that races.

I get so nervous. Me and my mom, it's probably quite comical to everybody that's in the grandstands at Millbridge because my mom and I are losing it sometimes. Because, I mean, we're out there one week and he's throwing sliders on Kyle Bush and Cannon Macintosh. And I mean, and not giving them an inch to spare. And it's so fun to watch him and I'm so proud of him. But, man, I get nervous. I'm probably not near as nervous as my mom, but it's weird.

I just look at him. I'm like, I can't believe my little tiny brothers in there driving that race car. And he does a phenomenal job. He does. Balls. Yeah. The best thing about Wyatt is he, he knows that he's good, but he's not, like, he's not an ass-h-h-h-ed about it.

Like, he's, like, he's just having fun. He's humble. And he thinks it's like, he's, like, just wants to go hang out with his buddies and run around on the playground when he's not racing at the racetrack. And he knows he's fast. He knows that, you know, he's got the confidence that, you know, he can go out there and win. But he's, he's so nonchalant about it.

Yeah. He's driving for Chad pretty much all the time now, right? Like Chad's car. So, thank God. Casey's not here to. to blow up Chad Bowdo or CBI whether it is. Wait, business where I do a CBI plus.

This is we do the CBI commercial. Yeah. You got to get the, have we reached our Millbridge minimum for the day? Oh yeah. Very much so. Awesome. Okay, I think it's time for a little reaction theater.

Hello, and welcome to tonight's sleep meditation. Brought to you by the Toyota Safe Mart 350, where there's no action, nothing to excite you or raise your heart rate. We're just going to put you right to sleep in no time. Thank you for joining me. Now let's begin.

That's pretty good. That's a full production. I thought he was going to go. I thought when he said, let's begin. I thought that's when you go to sleep. That was interesting. He had your 900 number, no voice. He was trying.

Yeah, this is meditation. That would be a good intro for a sleep study right there. Yeah. This next one, these next few are about people's reactions to the new phone number. Freddie Kraft, you are a son of a bitch. I was fully expecting this

to be directed his phone number. And I get Andrew. Are you fucking kidding me? I did not hear Brut's voice mail after calling this so I am very disappointed.

We might have said we were going to give him your phone number last week. Yeah, I might want to go ahead tell him that. Because we could forward forward to college. I heard you guys say that.

Graham did a great job on the show by the way. I enjoyed him. I thought you guys were pretty wimpy on the whole Jeb and Chandler thing. Y'all didn't really blast anybody.

Y'all were very politically correct. And then the whole awesome centric thing, me, y'all's take was terrible. Y'all were insinuating that he should be... Listen, he said that some fucking hooked him. I don't care what happened. I mean, he didn't... I don't think it was egregious enough to get a penalty maybe, but he... And I don't know what you're looking at.

I don't know what you're looking at. The only thing that saves him is the three car moving up a tiny bit to get to the corner. But if you compare that lap to the previous lap... To any other laps, those steering traces don't line up very well at all. I don't know who turns left at the end of the pit wall. I'm glad you're excited about it. this week because last week y'all were not i tried to prove my case but they didn't want to hear it

wasn't any different my buddy one time he gave somebody my phone number and this has been years ago but he gave somebody my phone number that i went to high school with and that person started asking me for stuff can i get garage passes to hear can i get so i tweeted his phone number out i was like since you're going to give my phone number to somebody that didn't shouldn't have had it then i'm going to tweet your phone number i mean when i tweeted it i said something like this is clint boyer's number or Del Jr.'s phone number. And he called me, he's like, what the fuck did you do? And I was like, I tweeted your phone number. He said, I don't understand why. I was like, because you gave my phone number out. I figured I'd give you your phone number out.

I've seen a bunch of like these guys that would Craig's list ads. Like they'll like, you know, list this really nice car for like $1,000. Yeah. And then put some of their buddies's phone number there. So they just get called. Hey, I'm interested in that car. And you're like, I've had people change their numbers because of it. I did do this too to my brother. Tony. this has been about a decade ago. But I was like, you know what? It'd be funny if everybody just text my brother happy birthday.

So I tweeted out my brother's phone number. I was like, here's my brother's phone number. Give him a happy birthday text. And it blew his phone number. I had, I was listening to see some TikTok today. And I think it was maybe Theo Vaughn or somebody. He has a fantastic idea. And there's a 100% chance I'm going to do this.

He said he just types in like seven or eight random phone numbers. Yeah. And then post a picture of like, Google images, some kid with a trophy. and goes, hey everybody, Russell won today. And then he said it's like the responses are like, you know, it's obviously nobody he knows. It's just random numbers. And he's like, hey, way to go, Russell.

And then some people are like, get me off this fucking thread. He said it's just a mixed bag of responses. That's awesome. That has to be a pain to have to change your phone number. Yeah, I mean, yeah. I mean, because there's somebody had me look at the other day and I don't know how to do it. but there are 1,700 contacts in my phone. What?

Yeah, because this guy, I did a deal with a coffee guy, and he's like, I have less than 100 contacts in my phone. I was like, I have no idea how many I've got. And there's over 1,700 contacts. So you've got to tell all them people, you got a new phone number. And then they're going to send back, thank you. I have 14. I have 14th.

I just look. I got 1100. 1400. How much you have? 1,700. 1305. But when you tell us people, hey, I got new number. And they'll send me, okay, I got you.

Now you got 1,700 unwanted text messages. It's a lot more than I thought I was going to have. I thought I was going to have like $600 or something. That's a good time to just like clear it out. Just like, don't want to have your phone number. Don't, don't give you. Just start over. Oh.

Anyway, sorry. I can assist you with a new number, Brett. Simply let me post your number on Twitter here. Okay. This next one is short and sweet. Garage 66. Passing all those zero jobs. Yeah, Freebird, baby.

Freebird. Play free bird. When you go to Nashville, which obviously we're going there two weeks. That is a $100 song because people are always on, Freebird! They're like,

give me a hundred bucks, I'll play it. Freebird and what devil went down to Georgia are the two hundred dollars songs? $100 songs. I mean, that's cool they did that in LaMont. That was cool, right?

Yeah. I didn't follow it long. I mean, I don't know. Sounds like they were pretty good minus a couple mechanical issues. I think they had like a transactal issue that took a little old of figs. Yeah, gearbox issue as well.

What class were they in? Like, who were they raised? Their own class. Oh, that's fun. Yeah. Yeah. They were, they were compared to like was like GTLM or some yeah yeah yeah they were faster than they thought

they were going to be because they were supposed to start scratch I think and then the that class that they were close to they were watch faster then so they're like well we don't want this some bitch did you see the pictures of the car on the track like three times it looks like a tank cars so they're like we don't want him buzzing through traffic like let him just start in front of us yeah and we'll go you know then we'll go right how about the the straightaway sound there's like all these all these whatever GP or whatever they call them the fast ones. Prototype or whatever.

They go by. Let us sudden this thing comes the, oh my gosh, can you tell which one is, you tell which one the NASCAR was. The NASCAR.

The NASCAR. The National Association for Stock Car Auto Racing. That's, that's, you could tell which one that was. A cup car. People don't understand an acronym does not,

it does not identify a vehicle at all. How is that hard to understand? It's more fun to say NASCAR. It is, man. I'm going to watch NASCAR's race. God, that's so ignorant. It's just goofy. They're in a more ignorant statement.

And I don't, I'm not, you watch the NASCARs all weekend. I didn't watch. I'm not watched NASCAR race in my life. Not one fucking time. Yes, you have. You've watched a NASCAR race. I have. I've watched NASCAR vehicles race.

Yes. If you qualify the word a little bit better, you can make it make sense. If you say the NASCAR's, that's not it. That's not it. NASCAR can be a verb, an adjective. in a noun. Like the word f***. Yeah, exactly. That's pretty cool. I mean, who we got? Brett's NASCAR's weekend. People were excited about this week, did we get a, I mean, is this, these all voicemails or like majority? There are a few still on

anchor because I know the song quality is better on anchor. So I'll still check. If you want to send your songs. Was it all my good race, Jeff Gluck's poll right now. There have been 12,000-ish votes, almost 13,000 votes. And it's trending no. It's 56% no, 44% yes. I didn't think it was a bad race. You have to enjoy road course racing.

Like that, it's a different animal. Like for us, for me, I thought that was a great race because you're going to see strategies play out. People want to see restarts. People want to see action. so that they are going to lend themselves more to stage breaks because they want the restarts. I feel like when Sonoma started getting hyped is when, and I don't know the year, I'm not going to pretend to know the year. I feel like when it started getting hyped is when Tony Stewart and Brian Vickers got into it.

And Brian Vickers went into turn 11 and turned Tony Stewart upside down. Parked him on the tires. Parked him on the tires. And look, even if you look back, like I remember Jerry Nadeu back in the day when he drove for Damarino in that 13 car, you know, he wrecked really big in the S. Like, I feel like that's kind of the time. and people were like, man, Sonoma is so awesome. And there was only two on the schedule.

Now Sonoma's not really special anymore. And that certainly wasn't a special race yesterday by any means. But it's not the track's fault. No, it's not the track at all. That track's a great track. Yeah. And you would see more cautions if these guys, if we talked about what Joe Lugano said,

if there was a penalty for overdiving. Much better configuration this time than the carers saw my opinion. If you love YouTube, like some of us do, Google those two wrecks, because they're both amazing. I mean, you could also Google the time that Del Jr. Park, Matt Kenseth, over there in the S's.

He put him up on the tires. They're supposed to be buddies. Why was he slipped up, man? You don't do that to your buddy? They were just racing. But, I mean, how many wrecks have you seen them tires on the right hand side in the S's? Oh, tons.

Exactly. Yeah, tons. But now they're like, these guys, and we got a lot of young guys in this field, too. Like a lot of young, up-and-coming guys. For sure. And, man, I can't even imagine. imagine trying to handle them cars back then. You know what I mean? Like they were on edge.

It's not the track though. Well, if you decide to call back and not listen to Brett, you can leave an audio message 24-7 at our new number, 704, 802-9572, or go to anchor.fm slash door bumper clear and click that message icon. We'll play the best ones each week on the show. All right, we're going to move on to Ask DBC. You can send in your questions each week on Twitter using hashtag AskDBC and we'll answer the best ones. So from Alex, we have what if anything from the garage 56 car might be implemented into the next gen car. They had to have learned something from that that might apply in cup.

I mean, I don't think so. I doubt it. I mean, there may be some small, very subtle things, but the car had way more horsepower, a completely different braking package. It was much lighter, 500 pounds lighter here it says. So, I mean, there's, I mean, if you look at them side by side, they really don't even look the same. The bodies are kind of not really similar. And they did that.

They had to get to a certain threshold of speed themselves to get approved. So, you know, they had to change a lot of stuff to get there. So I don't, I mean, there may be some very, very small intricacies that they learned to. Until we start racing this car. Yeah. Yeah. Then we run this one. They'll have a big head start.

But I don't think there was a lot to learn from this race. Okay. from Tyler. Is it a coincidence that Ross has been a non-factor since Darlington after Justin Marks said he was going to talk with him? Go ahead, B. Gizi? I actually had in my notes that, you know, Ross has been ranger. I mean, Ross Chastain was the biggest topic on door bumper clear every single week, weekend and week out from the time we started Daytona until Justin Marks sat him down. And whatever they said to him slowed him down. They've changed his aggression. They've changed his speed. Like, they're going to have to turn this guy back loose. He's not going to be competitive.

No. His average finish before Darlington was 11th, 11th, somewhere between there, like 116 or something like that. His average finish since Darlington is 21st. Wow. And that's a top 10 yesterday, too. Which he wasn't very competitive yesterday, but he played the right cards and got a top 10 out of it.

I don't know if it's just him, though. I don't think that helped. The car. Something's going on with the car. ever since Dover, ever since Dover, to me, they haven't had the same speed. And I don't know that, you know, this is obviously internal stuff over there, which, you know, the 99 and I won this race last year. Yeah. And they weren't, I mean, well, he, he never got back up there because of, you know, his mistake.

But, you know, you talk about, you talk about the stuff leading up to that talk. And I'm, I'm not really sure that the talk was warranted, you know, because you look at it. And he was making mistakes. but like the deal with Brennan Poole at Dover was an accident. You know, it wasn't malicious. He didn't drive in there to run Brennan Pool over. He misjudged it. He lifted before he thought he was going.

He was on his bumper. He turned him. You know, the next one, we all sat on here after Talladega and agreed that Ross didn't know anything wrong. Noah let the door open. Ross filled it. Then Talladega, I mean, Darlington, he's going for the win. Now he misjudged and made a mistake.

But it wasn't like he was just out of control trying to wreck people. Martin True X. Chase Elliott did the same thing going for the win. Do they need to talk to? No. And I think it was a direct result of Rick Hendrick, publicly speaking out, saying, you know, I'm kind of tired of this guy wrecking my race cars. And I kind of giving my guys the green light to, you know, they got to handle themselves. And, you know, I don't know, like to TJ's point, they haven't been fast.

There was where Charlotte, they were awful. You know, I don't know. Yeah, this isn't. I don't think this is just a Ross not going after it. I think it's, you know, it's just a coincidence maybe. I'm going to tell you guys something. Yesterday, yesterday going into seven, he had a couple opportunities to be aggressive and be Ross. He didn't take them.

Yeah. It's, I just like the reasoning, I know publicly you have to say this because everybody's other, you know, we fall into the trap of the don't go of a fucking to or we kind of, we play with that and have a lot of fun with it. I don't think Ross does almost anything maliciously. I think he makes a lot of mistakes at times and does stuff. You know, I don't think he's like going in there going, you know, I'm going to wreck this 15 card over. Or Danny at Gateway. He didn't want to take him out of the race. It's just, you know.

But let's say this. You're saying his instincts were causing him to make mistakes. You've now reigned back his instincts. He's consciously having to, as a race car driver, keep in mind that Mr. Hendrick bashed me, Denny Hamlin had a feud with me. My owner has sat me down and slapped me on the wrist. You've changed the way this guy races. And that's what I'm saying.

That's where I'm getting at. I don't think that that conversation was warranted. And if it was warranted, I don't think it need to be made public. You know, that you had, like that seemed like just a knee-jerk reaction to Rick Hendrick making his comment. I think I'm going to call him, if I'm Justin Marks, Ty Norris, who never had the power to have that conversation and say, hey, I'm taking it all back. Never mind.

Go back to who you were because I don't like this guy. In all those situations, though, the car had more speed. Yeah. And the car hasn't had the speed that has had since Darlington. But I just, I mean, I don't know if it's, Can it be that coincidental, though, that we all of a sudden, like, you just slow down 10 spots average? Ross has always been faster than Svore is. It ain't like it just all of a sudden.

I mean, obviously last year, Sonoma, Swares had a great race. He won a race. But Ross traditionally is always faster and higher in the rankings than Svarez. Ross ain't fast. No. I don't think it's all car. I think it's, I think it's, well, I think the 99s had more speed earlier this year, too. And he's only had, he had a little bit of speed at Gateway, but never did anything with it.

You got to realize, too, man, you feed off of each other, you help each other with setups, what you're feeling in the car. Like, if you're not running it as hard as you can run it, it's going to feel different than if you run it as hard as you can run it. I just think you go back and take it back. Hey, man, we screwed up. I mean, we take that back. People's going to be listening to this going, man, you guys are wrong. They didn't, whatever they said to Ross did screw up. So you go out there by her.

He was top five on the board almost every week. He's not even close to her. If it didn't screw him up, it sure looks like it. publicly. I mean, I even talked to another driver about it a couple weeks ago, and they were like, yeah, he sure is racing differently. I know this used to be Ross Bumper Clear, and then we had to change it back. It was.

I mean, again, we talked about him more than any other driver on the show. And I enjoyed it. It was fun. Go back to doing dumb shit and being aggressive and winning races and have a hauling ass. We talk about not doing dumb. Please start doing dumb. We got something dumb. If he had done something dumb yesterday, Sonoma would have been a better race.

One guy did. Who? Freddy's probably what an idiot for the week. Probably. I was going to say, speaking of dumb. I can't wait to hear. Who do we have for what an idiot this week? Well, I would like to give it to one guy, but he's great, so I can't give it to him.

Oh, what a voice. What a chicken. Then he was going to win you or what an idiot? I don't know what he's talking about. So I'm going to give it to somebody else, and I hope this big son, don't listen to this podcast. Oh, God. Shaquille O'Neal.

Oh, he listened. Shaquille O'Neil was a no-show for the pre-race concert, and then they had to do a post-race. because he was late. Dang. Well, you should kill O'Neill, you guess what you do? Whatever the f*** you want. Yeah.

Yeah. Probably got stuck in that traffic outside of the traffic. You know, I was kind of bummed out because I was hanging around the hauler and Bubba's like, I think Shaq might be coming over here. And I'm like, well, I ain't leaving. Like, I'll be late. Somebody's got Cheggin and Spotter stand.

And then I obviously had to go up. No, he is gigantic. But, I mean, you think he was mad? You think he's big? He, I wanted to see, Bubba said they wanted to do a picture where it was Red X standing in front of Bubba. And Shaq just,

steps over, Redick to say how about it. Because I can't imagine what that picture looked like. He could. There's three kinds of people of money. There's $1. There's $2.

You money. And then there's $1,000, everybody money. Shacks got the F. Everybody money. Yeah. Yeah. And you got to,

you know he had to be pissed because he probably was planning on coming there, knocking that out, pre-race. Right. And he had to sit there the whole race and then do the concert after the race. We were coming down the hill and I'm like, you know, driving out after the race over.

And they were announcing, all right, everybody hang out here for the shack. Did what DJ Diesel, what really called him something? And I'm like, I said to Nick who was arriving with me. I said, I thought they were doing that earlier. He said, yeah, he didn't make it earlier. So they were doing it after a very coin.

They probably paid him a pretty coin, too. Dude, it's all he could do to get in the lounge of a truck. I mean, the lounge. Because when he did that deal at Concord. Yeah, I remember when y'all did something. Oh, my gosh. It was unreal. Could you imagine getting in bed with a man that big?

Yeah. You wouldn't want to play with Shaq's feet in bed? He'd have to. Imagine how big a toe are. him 10 minutes to get there. His toes are probably like that big of a big one. You are a sick individual. I told you have a shoe?

Oh, that was a studio. Yeah, his shoes. Mike Davis had it in his office. You know what they said about a man with big feet? Stop it. He wears big shoes. I'm going to give Brett one idiot for even putting that image in my head. Brett's my one idiot.

Who says that? Imagine Shaq. I mean, I'm just talking about trying to fit in a lounge. I mean, they had to build a door. They actually had to build a door for the race car for. shack because he couldn't get in. So, but I mean, I was just going to give it to Denny. You don't even a wall.

I mean. I mean, you can. I can't. I mean, I held your paycheck for calling him an idiot. Like, uh, hey guys. Oh, my gosh. I call HR. What happened to my check this week?

Well, apparently you called Danny an idiot on your podcast. I mean, uh, I guess that's a good thing that there, um, there wasn't much actually, like there wasn't many like nobody bonds out the corner is real bad where they just clean, punch people out. that normally would do. So, I mean, it's slim pickings on the Wooden Idiots this week. My What an Idiot is whoever gave you guys an off weekend. I don't think y'all just a shit one this year.

I think you should race 38 weeks in a row and not have an off weekend. So whomever decided that we deserve an off weekend and then ask our Cup schedule. I hope that same person decides you should do a truck the rest of the year. I'm kind of bummed out because, like, you should spot a truck. We're going to cost a million dollars to get me to spot a truck. I'm going to St. Martin next week or tomorrow. And next week. Okay, no one.

You don't know what week it is. It was the offseason. Give me to the offseason. I'm counting down to days. And then I'm like, when we get back, though, we race until Thanksgiving. So it's like, uh. That's not that long. I feel like we're almost there already.

It's only 20-something weeks in a row. I feel like we're almost there. Doesn't it? Yeah. Where are we at? 16, so there's 20 left, 20 races there? Oh, geez. I had to ask for the Phoenix schedule the other day because I needed to know something in terms of my travel.

We already ran there. I got to go to the FFA convention. before I go to Phoenix. I was like, I need to know when I got to be in Phoenix because I have to spot that weekend. And I was like, you know what? Phoenix might be my favorite race of the year this year. Yeah. Because the last one.

Yeah, I mean. Oh, man. All right. What are we got to do now, Carson? You're running this show today. You're doing a phenomenal job. Your preparation is something like I've never seen. What's on your phone?

Is it opposite day? What are you looking at? Are you Googling Shaq? I should. Well, how big is Shaq's feet? he played ball at LSU my buddy's got an LSU shoe signed by Shat

oh god I wish I had something signed by Shat just go steal the shoe I was a hardaway fan growing up I'm still a penny hardaway fan I actually have his autograph on a couple things in my office

well by little penny little penny those are funny commercials that was my favorite pair of shoes I ever owned they were blue and white damn TJ won TJ won because Michael Maddow's pick pick didn't win

I'd say that by Custer what happened I picked Custer because I thought You thought he was still in the Cup Series? No, I thought we were going to suspend Cindrick. Oh. And it made the only chance, like, I was like, I don't know who I put it in there.

Yeah. I mean, it wouldn't have made a difference if I picked him or Cindric yesterday. So it's a good thing I didn't burn a pick. I don't. I mean, Bushers become a road course guy. He's always been a pretty good road course. He is. He was, I mean, all road course is last year.

What's his contract status? Do you know? I have no idea. You haven't negotiated for it. Yeah, oh, yeah, yeah. I got to go to a meeting with after this. I think they signed an extension, but I don't know how long it was. I thought it was last year. I'm curious if he's up or not.

Somebody will text me up to the show and tell me. Because he's a guy that's, I mean, he's doing a good job. Yeah. Doing a good job. Who picks first. Freddie. Let's see. I mean, I know who's not.

Me. You're not tired. Where the hell are we going? Where are you getting your intel from this year? Nashville. Nashville. I'll take. Don't pick anybody that likes to have fun because that place will kill you.

You can't go to Broadway and then go to the racetrack and be competitive. Let's see. Who doesn't like to have fun? Pick somebody really boring. Is Chase Elliott on here? I think Chase likes to have fun. He does. At this point, I'm just trolling every

Chase Elliott fan on the planet. That was in my notes for the Chase Elliott fans to be my world an idiot. The ones that fall victim to literally the stereotyping that exist out there. There's so many of you Chase Elliott fans that are brilliant, smart, intellectual human beings. And then there's a small percentage of you

of these loud mouths and you just make all the other Chase Elliott fans. I've looked so dumb. This one girl, I'm not going to never give a name because she's ridiculous. But I could not believe, Megan actually, the one pointed out to me. Is she going back and forth? Yeah, it was Megan. She's going back and forth with a bunch of people during the week when he got suspended. She's never watching NASCAR again.

It's ridiculous. And I looked. I love when people say that. And she had 201,000 tweets sent. Wow. Since 2012 or something like that. So I'm like, oh, that's probably a lot. I probably tweet a lot myself.

So I'm like, how many do I have? I have 17,000. Wow. You probably have 25, 30. No, I bet you don't have anything. How do I know? I want to look. If you go to your Twitter page and like go to your actual profile page.

Okay. Right, you have 62,000. Yeah, you have 62,000. Wow. How do you know how many I got? That ain't none of your business? I have. I have, I have nine thousand four hundred and eighty.

Yeah. How many do I have? If you just go on your thing and scroll up, it'll, it'll tell you at the top. So she has 201,000. Where's that? Your profile? Yeah. So if you go here, if you go on your profile and then.

scroll up, it tells you under your name up there. Oh, I just saw it. Wow, 19,000 200. 61,000 tweets. So we added all ours together, we're probably not 100. And she's at 200,000. We did the math in the 20th. We put our engineering staff to really important work one day.

And I said, what's the math on this? She tweeted, she tweets 50 times a day for 12 years essentially. Wow. Like, that's crazy pants. I think a lot of that came out at Charlotte. But I mean, that was probably 400 times the day. But, you know, she... My favorite thing about your engineering staff is how much they love our show.

They do love. How many do you have? They love spotters. They love the show. Do what? How many did you have? I had 9,400, something. Like, put it in perspective.

The Twitter came out before she was born. Put it in perspective, Bob Hawkers has 200,000 tweets. That's what... They're the same. You know, and I mean, he tweets a 50 times a day, probably. I look at Twitter analytics from time to time, and they've changed it. So in the last 28 days, my tweet impressions is 7. 7.7 million tweet impressions.

is 23% it's up. But it doesn't have how much I tweeted and there used to be another category in there. And that's just tweeting pressures and Elon didn't want you to have that. You're pissed. I mean, just pay eight bucks. Everybody should have to pay eight bucks.

We get rid of all those fucking morons out there if everybody had to pay eight bucks. I just went to go back on the chain. Well, it's so annoying now because just anybody can can have it. Like people with like 35 followers can have one. So like what's even the point of having it? I seen a face. Somebody,

all of a sudden I got like a series of tweets like yesterday by Dale. And I'm like, what the fuck is he doing? And I looked and it was, it was same profile picture, same Dale Earnhard Jr. Yeah. But then it was like D-A-L-E-E.

Oh man. All this time is Dale Jr. Retweeted me at what really am. Son of all. You don't know anymore, which I'm sure, I'm sure he probably has to keep his blue check. But you have to do it for some because you can get scammed.

Like, it's, I think like the really important people have like a gold one or something like that. Do they? It's for organizations. Organizations have like the gold check mark, I guess. You have to pay $1,000 for that, I think.

Oh. Well, I'll do it. but I don't care. Take it out of your mortgage. I'll bet. One month of free rent, mom, please. That pays for two years of...

Speaking of that. Where's Grey Goose today? Who's Greg? She's off. Golden Goose. Plus is hard. Her name is Abby. To close the book on the Chase Elliott fans,

I am 100% at this point just trolling you guys on here that go nuts because there's a bunch of them that will sweet out and say, you know, they're right or whatever. but it's now just fun to message you guys. If you start the conversation by saying I'm not one of them, you are one. Yeah, if you don't know one, you are one.

Who you picking? I am going to pick Kyle Busch. Wow. Who goes next? Casey picks Chase Elliott. She sucks. Oh, what the hell? I don't get to pick?

You can. In a minute. She's got a, we should have made you pick her pick. I guess I pick next. I was going to pick Chase Elliott. He's going to have to improve from last week. There's only one way to go, and that's up. Ryan Blaney.

Oh, yeah. He's had speed there, though, until his last year's I think Nashville is one of those tracks where it's kind of like a golf course. Like if you get there and you fade the ball a little bit, some courses play into your hand a little bit. I think NASCAR has, or Nashville has, with the NASCAR racing there this weekend, next week. The NASCAR.

I think it literally plays into certain people's driving styles. I think it's that kind of mile and a half. Agreed. TJ, who you got? Oh, boy. Boy. You guys are swinging pretty hard for the fans. Who did you pick?

Elliot? I picked. No, Casey picked. Kyle Busch, Chase Elliott, Ryan Blaney, are off the board. You have 47 other people you can pick from. I'm going to pick Ricky Stenhouse, Jr. There you go. I won with Ricky.

I mean, Ricky's got more speed this year. He's definitely. He hangs around there. I'm not going to need some help with this one a little bit. Him and Mike Kelly have been together for, what, 50 years now? Seems like it. I mean, they're... I think longer than my parents.

they run well. Brothers, some different mothers. Yeah. But yeah, what else we got? I don't even remember what the hell else we're doing.

Well, y'all are off weekend. TJ, you're going on Disney Cruise again? No, absolutely not. I'm not going anywhere. You're not going to stay home?

No. I thought you were going. What are you doing for Father's Day? Cookout. Where were you going? You're going somewhere? I thought you were flying somewhere straight to the beach.

That's Chicago weekend. Gotcha. Carson, what are you doing this off week? It's not an off week for me. I got to go to Dominion Raceway this weekend with the cars tour. So how is the cars tour?

Carson, let's talk about that for a second. What about it? You enjoy it? I mean, I know we're having fun. I see it all over the place. It's blown up this year. Cars tour did have the youngest winter this weekend. Yeah, 12 years old.

Yeah, I saw a 12-year-old. Holy cow. A 12-year-old? Not the big. It's the pro-late model race. They had pros at Dylan. Yeah. Wow.

12 years old. I mean, I was texting back forth with Dell Jr. When he and Burton and Harvick, right? That's the three that balled into this thing. And Justin Marks. And more Justin Marks. obviously a very smart marketing guy. Man, if you can pump the purses up and pack the stands,

that will be a freaking premiere series in this country. Because it's got all the talent and all the resources in the world to just be awesome for these grassroots markets. Yeah. You throw those star-studded names behind it, you know? Yeah. And they put on phenomenal races. Yeah.

Like phenomenal races. Langley was a really good race. That's an awesome racetrack. That's one of my favorite tracks. I'd only been there once before when LW was racing Modified. And last weekend was the first time I was there for a late model race. And it was an amazing facility. Langley Ace, I mean, there's a bunch of speedways like that that literally helped build NASCAR to what it is today.

So I'm excited those guys on it. And I mean, Kevin Harvick put his money where his mouth is. He said a few years back, short track racing had to get better. And the thing is, when it was great, Winston had a bunch of money that was going into it. And when Winston went away, NASCAR didn't, they weren't funneling money to it like they were. so it's good to see guys like those back in charge. Yep. Well, I am off to the beach and where you're saying.

You fly. You fly into St. Martin. Oh, you fly right there? Yeah. Do you need a passport to go there? Yes. Oh, so it's not even in our country. No.

Wait, I thought it was one in the U.S. Virgin Islands. Or am I making that up? No, you made that up. Okay, cool. It's like it's Dutch, I believe. It's like there's a Dutch side and a French side. Do you speak Dutch? I was not good at geography.

touch. By about 3 o'clock tomorrow afternoon, I can speak just about any language. Are you going to wear those wooden shoes? The clogs. I need to clogging lesson out here before you leave. I'd love to see you walking around wooden shoes. What I will do is I will get a video of it. So this is airport beach is what they call it. It's where the airplanes fly directly over your head to land.

So hopefully I don't get clipped by a wing and I'll be back next week or two weeks. I hope the plane's okay. Yeah. They'll be close to the ground. It won't be going very fast. But yeah. What do you think Shaq wears or wooden shoes a tree? A tree trunk.

Anyway, thank you guys for listening. Carson, thank you for stopping by. Next time we'll let you sit at the table maybe. Yeah, please. We will see you soon at Big Al's, I assume, or Saeed's one or the other. We will, thanks for coming though.

Thanks for having me. I mean, I'm sure you really enjoyed it. You didn't get to see her the whole show. I know. Is she still back there? I feel so far away over here. I don't like this setup. That's what it's like with Casey.

you over here. It's the same way. That's the same way over here. You got to look back. We'll just alternate somebody and TJ. I don't feel awkward every time. Or we just... I looked at a badass picture. I heard McCandless all race. I'm assuming it's Blake's dad. Grandfather. What's wrong with just turning the table towards us over there? It's a good... It's a good feedback. That's a good feedback right there. Make that adjustment. I mean, I mean... What's wrong with what? Just turning her table so it's that way kind of so you can see her right here behind that camera. Well, there's a good. Well, there's a good. I'm...

not a backdrop that we can use. Here's what's funny is we get that green screen thing again. They can do this show without us. We can't do this show without them because we have no idea what's going on over there. We had a meltdown pre-show today. We almost, we almost canceled before we started. We did. But anyway,

thanks for listening. I ran into a bunch of DBC fans again this week. You guys are amazing. I dropped my kid off this morning at a basketball camp and this 20 year old sitting there and he goes, that's Bodie. I was like yeah, should I be worried right now? He's like, no, man, I listen to the podcast. What has Bodey done now?

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