Door Bumper Clear - 296. Nashville & Taylor Moyer: Calling Audibles

Episode Date: June 27, 2023

Now that the hot Nashville weekend is over, "most" of the Door Bumper Clear crew came together to debrief the action and look ahead to the Chicago Street Race. With Brett Griffin missing in Nashville; Casey Boat, Freddie Kraft and TJ Majors called in Josh Berry's Crew Chief Taylor Moyer to jump right into the hot seat.During this week’s Spot-on Spot Off, the crew takes a deep dive into Josh Berry’s hard work to Cup and Tony Stewart’s comments regarding talent over money. They broke down Cole Custer's frustration with AJ Allmendinger’s damage caused aero advantages, called for more safer barriers after Ryan Blaney's hard crash, and discussed NBC's return to the airwaves. Plus, we hear Taylor Moyer’s not to be missed story involving Sam Mayer, fluid spilling and a long day in the garage. Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

The following is a production of Dirtymoan media. No, bumper, clear by two, please really shallow entry. Bumper, clear. Hey, everybody, I'm T.J. Major Spotter, the six-cup car, had the eight expending of this weekend. I didn't have a truck this weekend, decided to watch that event. That's fun. What's up, Freddie Craft Spotter for Bubble Wallace, Chandler Smith, and the 20 truck. Brett is obviously not here he's not here I don't know he's probably flying at this point I think he's

gonna show up at some point we record at the same time every week and every week Brett has to chime in saying yeah I'm landing at this time it's like he's I would almost him just not show up and I was worry about him then just hey my flight lands at 11 he uh he's now learning the life of them guys that fly commercial every week you know like he doesn't have a yeah but most of them guys fly out sunday night Brett wanted another night in Nashville no I don't think any of them fly out Sunday night. I know our sprinted, especially last night's race being at whatever time that was. That was brutal. And then one of the JGR planes wasn't operating. So what they had to do is go back. Yeah, they had to go back. So luckily I was on the first one. I feel really bad for the

guys that weren't because they probably didn't take off until about, I don't know, 233 o'clock. Yeah, it had to be late. What's up, Casey? Hey guys. Casey Boat here. We are fresh from NASCAR. NASCAR. We are fresh from NASF. We are. Fresh from Nashville. from NASCAR. As you can tell, I got tons of sleep last night. You're fresh from, where'd you go, Italy or something? Yes. And then went to Nashville. Anything amazing over there or what? Obviously, the ice cream was good. All right. We're not going to bring us up. We're not going to It was gelato. Anyways, oh, Ross Chastin gets it done. First win of 2023. I feel like we jinks him or did something for you here. I just to just proves more people listen to this show because we just woke

his ass right back up. I mean, damn, we bring it up. one time. Talked about him on here, not doing well after the couple incidents. And there he goes out and just kicks everybody's ass for the night. Hi, Brad. We're going to turn it on a Chicago street course here. Well, anyways, what was your weekend like? I know Freddie might not remember half of it because he doesn't even remember we took a picture.

I didn't remember. I sent it to you. Yeah, the next day. Well, I mean, TJ, how was your weekend? My weekend was Saturday's race was very long. Like, what was longer? The Cup race or the Xfinity race? It had to be close.

I felt like that Xfinity race was never going to end. And it's all Herm's fault. Do you know it's Herm's fault? No, why are we burned to know? Herm looked up the time of race trying to get an idea of how long the race was going to be. Yeah, because he was trying to get dinner that night. So he looked it up and it had been like two hours, two years previous. and he said, you know, about half with you that race.

He said, I looked up the damn times and I was a jinx. He said, I was hoping we get under two hours. And I looked and it was, we were two hours in and there was still like 87 laps to go or something like that. Yeah, that was, I mean, it was an entertaining race. It just, it was annoyingly hot, annoyingly long. Yeah. I mean, and listen, that place is hard, man. That's one of the toughest places.

I was actually talking to Marcus about this up on the, he was, I was sitting down below the spotter stand. He came out of the press box. Well, it looks harder to drive. Yeah. And it, like, it looks like a mile and a half when, you know, like if you're out there or, you know, it almost has like a mile and a half. It looks like Kansas a little bit. Yeah. But it's not, obviously. It's only, you know, it's shorter. So the corners are a lot sharper. It's very easy to miss your line. And you saw that as, as the weekend progressed, the truck race wasn't terrible.

But that Xfinity race, it felt like we couldn't get going. I think it took, what, three or four attempts just to get a damn lap in. Well, yeah, because they were all driving. Why is the, the series. before you get into a cup car harder to drive than the cup car. Yeah, I don't know. Shouldn't it be the other way around? Yeah, like that's what our point I was we're going to make was, you know, these guys are making mistakes. It wasn't anybody like running out of town.

I mean, I guess you could say right. No, they don't. They don't normally have to. Yeah, the cars are hard to drive. You saw why they're exfinity drivers in that race. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, you saw that.

And but I, like, did we even have any natural spinouts? I mean, other than qualifying when they're going for? I mean, did the race have any wrecks that were natural? Not really. That's what I can remember. Then how do we have like 84 of them on Saturday and none on Sunday? Well, it's just what we've been talking about with this car. It's, it's, you're more on edge with the, with the Xfinity card.

They, you know, when those guys were going on each other's door and the Xfinity race, it was going to get interesting. Oh, yeah. And they can drive up to each other a lot easier. And I don't know, it's just a, it was exciting. I enjoyed the Xfini race, even if with all the cautions, it was, um, you didn't know what was going to happen. It was a good race for the lead. Yeah. I mean, yesterday's race was a good race for the lead.

I was about to say, oh, there were not many natural cautions, or if any. I think the race for the lead and the race for positions, it seemed a lot easier than move around. The track's wide, though. It's wide now, so you can do that there. And like Freddie said, with the corners being, they're slow in the middle of the corner, like compared to what we're used to, like a Kansas or something like that, they're pretty slow in the middle of the corner. And it was, if you were faster than a guy, you weren't pinned behind them. You could actually move.

And if you were good, you could still make the, pass and get it to work. Yeah, it was still hard to pass. You know, it's still, it's always going to be hard to pass. You know, with this car, it's just, that's just what it is, you know, and you could, it was easier to pass around in Martinsville. You could see, yeah, you could see guys really be able to use the arrow block a lot. You know, you could see times where a guy would take like a big arc into the corner and

just come down across your nose. And as soon as he got in front of you, your nose, you know, that car would start take off up the hill. But, you know, it was, it was a good, it wasn't a terrible race by any means. It kind of gets strung out. it's a you know but listen we can't have unbelievable races every week you know it was better than some i don't think it was a bad race no it's better than i would like i know some of the guys are like oh i'm just too loose saying well you can't in the cup cars it's hard to see yeah like

they're on the edge and you can't see an exfini car i mean they you can tell like for sure and then uh host of our host of our wins that's the first time uh no i guess it what's his second win yeah i remember when he destroyed a bunch of them at texas yeah he's coming on here I don't know when him and Brett have been working on that. It's been a great day for Brett's not here. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, he'll be here sometime this month or next month, I guess.

But yeah, he did a phenomenal job. Yeah. He was really good. I got to think, you know, we've seen Barry, Barry get announced to go to the four car next year. I'd be, I got to think he's a leading candidate to get in the eight. I mean, you see he's running very, he was running good on Saturday. And I think he was in the top five.

And got caught up in that wreck with AJ and Ty Gibbs and him. So I don't know, you know, he's, he did a phenomenal job. And like I said, I think that's, that's a no brain and replacement. I don't know how much money's got to come into it. But he, uh, he's not afraid to go drive. Like we were talking, I know he sounds like he tore up a lot of stuff in the dirt late mile race. But, I mean, how many other guys went and tried it? Yeah, for sure.

I mean, he goes there. He was at Berlin for the, um, the money at the bank or whatever that race was. I just had a couple weeks ago. To his credit, I saw it didn't, I was watching that race. And, and he was having an issue with, I think, a left rear tire. and, you know, we've bashed him on here endlessly for spinning out and bringing out cautions. And he came in and the tire was low, but they have a rule in that series. Like, it's got to be flat on the rim.

And it wasn't. So he just kept pumping it up to whatever 20 to 30 pounds in there, just trying to hope, you know, get to the break where he could change his tires. I don't know, years past, he might not have done that. It was just a slow leak. But it was obviously going down. Eventually, he just parked. That's the card you dealt that race. Yeah.

But I'm saying, but it's good to see. that he didn't just go ahead and spin out and then ruin the race for everybody else and draw a caution that he needed. He actually just came down pit road. I mean, to me, I don't know. I don't, I didn't see it anywhere else. I mean, there was just a couple times where there was just solo spins and slide down the rest and keep going and then we get a caution for it, which is not really, I mean, a little unnecessary. Yeah, the one I think was it the 48 off of four? Somebody off of four got like, didn't spin. They just got sideways. Yeah, they're sliding. slid sideways and then I guess you're worried about it.

I'm guess you worried about them hooking or coming back up or something under the track, which would be bad if they did. And it's, we don't know, you know, so like it's quick, you know, so we had, Tiffany was calling the races this weekend until Sunday, then it was Tucson. But, you know, you look, if you're looking at so, we know as spotters, you know, we're kind of scanning the field at times. And if you look up and there's a car completely sideways, then that's the first time you see it.

You're going to be pretty quick. But I mean, I literally said I got one spinner out of four. No, he's already straight. caution's out. Yeah. Like it was that quick. It's almost like they get called in. Like they're not,

they don't see it. The corner guy calls it in. I'm fine with it being in caution. But then, you know, you go back to last year's Cup race and then we get, you know, snow plowed by the 99. And a car is not even driving straight.

We're trying to get to the bottom and there's nothing. Like our car is broke. These other guys just slid through the grass. Like what does, what merits of caution and what doesn't? But it's, you know, when you're looking at it, though, I definitely wouldn't want a guy to

Who somebody was sliding sideways Maybe in the truck race Yes and he had to wheel all the way cut to the right Well that's when it cut back I think he clipped Kyle I don't remember Yeah was it lawless Very possible

I think it was Because he was sliding sideways And the role like The general role is you try to spin down to the grass Oh yeah he clipped I don't think he was uh He shot head on back up to the track 51 you're talking about yeah

Yeah who was in the 51 I think uh jack would Oh okay so yeah I didn't But yeah, I know what you're saying. Like whenever you're spinning out, you've got a lot more room down there and you've got to go a lot further to hit a wall on the inside than you do. He'll overcratching a shot head on on the wall. So I guess we'll, you want to hit the spot on, spot off before I go.

Hey guys, you like easy money. Then you'll love our new partner, Money Lion, the all in one mobile finance app designed to help you take control of your money. With Money Lion, you can borrow, save, invest, and earn money all in one. place. That's right. Spot on, spot off is now presented by Money Lion, the official digital finance partner of 2311 racing. Download the Money Lion app today. Use the promo code dollar sign dirty moe. Set up direct deposit and you can get up to $55 on them. No joke. That's promo code dollar sign dirty mo and earn up to $55. Spot on spot off. Spot off. Spot off. It was super fun

yesterday to ride around, Marion. I am spot off. Damn. Where do you come from? All right. First topic, Tony Stewart responding to Jordan Bianchi's question about not hiring a paid driver for the four car said, I'm not interested in some kid's father coming in and buying their way into the Cup series. I have zero interest in that. T.J., spot on, spot off. I'm spot on for, you know, he has his ways and that's what he likes. I mean, he's always been an old school racer and he gets how he worked his way up going through the ranks and he likes to see other people do the same thing. So, you know, and obviously there's some people, there are drivers with money, but at this point we need those too. So I think he's got a pretty good mix of things, but Tony's a

racer and he's going to like guys like priests that go and win in all sorts of stuff. And Josh is coming up the same way, winning in Legends cars. I get late models. um, X vanity cars. So it's not, I think that's a, we all probably would have, you know,

new Tony would say something like that. Yeah. I mean, we, we go back to, you know, trying to get back to talent over money. We,

you know, and it's hard because you look at a team like Stuart Haas and it's clear that they are struggling right now. Like they're not, Kevin, what Kevin's doing in their cars right now is phenomenal compared to what everybody else, because I thought at one point he was,

the best car yesterday. He drove up to the top five. He was pat. Like right when the sun went down. This is like being Kevin all year. They have, they don't have the raw straight one lap speed. They don't have that. But when the race starts, Kevin's super, obviously he knows what he's doing and he's really good. He's really, he knows how to discipline himself and stay on the bottom. And that's all he did. Most time will stay right on the bottom. Yeah. And wait for the runs. And, and, like, he, he is consistently a top seven, five, ten car. You know, he's always. He's always. always in there. He's always in the mix, but then you look back and you've got Eric's running 15th, usually. Priest's, you know, around 20th. Brisco has been, I don't know, like I can't believe how

bad they've been the last month and a half, two months now. Like, it's there, they're, they're getting passed by cars that they shouldn't even be on the same straightaway as. Yeah. So, I don't know, it's hard to say, obviously great for Josh. Um, great that Tony takes this approach. But what is the issue over there? Is the issue of funding? Because you're getting ready to lose one of your big sponsors in Anheiserbush, they're going somewhere else. You know, now you're losing your, we always say you got to have an A guy on your team to know where your equipment's at. Well, now you're a, he's definitely that.

Yeah, I mean, there's no question there. There's no. So now you're going in the next year with, you know, you're going to have Briscoe, Priese, uh, Josh. And it sounds more likely than not that Eric's out. So then who's going to go in that? Is it another rookie? Is it a guy like McDonald's.

That was going to be my question is if he's taking talent over money, who's, who is that next spot? Who is going to replace? Well, you know, you hear, you know, obviously if, if, if you're just going off talent, it seems likely to me that it's, it's maybe Zane Smith or or Michael McDowell. Like, Michael McDowell's outperforming his equipment right now. He has probably for the last year and a half, two years. They've been decent. Yeah. They've been decent here the last little, you know, a couple months.

but then at the same time at some point you need money somebody's got to have a sponsor you know like you can't I mean a jean is probably one of the few guys that can't afford to just fit the whole bill for everybody but I don't think he wants to do that so now you know you look at you got a guy

there that's got plenty of money in Riley Herbst is that an option I think if Tony will see where we go here if Eric leaves and Tony they stick Riley Herbst in there you're kind of you know going back on what you say right here. But I think he'll stick to it and go with the guy like a Zane or a McDowell if

Eric leaves. But it'll be interesting to see. But yeah, it's just great for Josh, I think. And the thing is, like, you go out there and you get one of the best free agents available. You know, like this is if Josh is easily in the top two or three guys that are not already in the Cubs series that are available to run. So, you know, you went out and got him just like we talked about Danny going out and getting his guy last year when he got ready. this was kind of the guy they circled and it's a great fit

for that team. It's a great fit for Rodney, his guys. Obviously, they both have a similar background coming up through the late model stocks and I think that, you know, and I think it's unfair to expect. We talk about Harvick being the A guy and outperforming everybody. It's not fair to expect Josh to step in there and run as good as Kevin.

So, you know, I'm not saying he can't do it, but, you know, I don't see him jumping in and running top five, top 10 every single week next year. Yeah, I mean, it's hard. You'll see, you know, he's, he's got a taste of it already this year with the, you know, running the 9 and the 48. So, but good for him and great for him. And hopefully this is the trend.

You know, this is how we get back to the best cup racing on the planet is taking money, taking talent over money. Because then you make your product more attractive than if you just stick somebody in a car and they're out there tearing up his stuff every week. And just, but they brought a big picture with them. Well, moving on to the truck race, Lollas Allen says Haley D.K. is talentless and just sailed it off in there and wrecked me. Not the first time she's wrecked me. She does it to f*** everybody. Casey, you can't say that?

It's a part of the script. Spot on, spot off. I got to bleep you out now. Freddie. Just making your job harder. Spot off. I mean, didn't they get, didn't you guys get into this guy last year when you were spot?

Yeah, I know. A couple years ago. A couple years ago. Yeah. Listen, I, there's nobody out there that's talented. list, I don't think. You know, like there's, maybe there's some that are more talented than others. But I think if you look up that there's a saying about, I think it was like glass houses and stones or something like that. You know, if you look up the YouTube clips for either one, there's not a lot of

highlights to see. So maybe just stay in your lane. I get it. It's frustrating. And it was her fault. She drove into turn three, got loose, and chase it up into him. It wasn't. like she went in there, drove through the back of them. She just... You can count the times that she's done that on one hand in the truck series. Yeah. You would take all your hands and your feet to count the times that she's been wrecked. So, and I'm spot off as well because, let's just be honest.

I mean, this kid's not light in the world on fire himself, and he's made a lot of mistakes. And we could sit here and make three shows worth of all the things that he's done, too. Like, Martinsville, when I'm spotting for, he would... Every corner roll down there just to hit her in the middle of the corner. Just that's why... That's what they... I mean, he was rolling under there, and you know, you know, how... how you see him get off the break and roll more speed into the middle to try to move somebody.

Every corner he was doing that. So not, I would look up his stats, but I'm going to be willing to bet she's got more NASCAR wins and if you, in the K&N and stuff like that. And I don't know if, I don't know what Lollett is. Do you? No. Yeah, I have no idea. But, um, I mean, he ran Canaan West.

I know he came through that same kind of system. He ran McAnally's cars a little bit, but this is just, I mean, it happens, man. I mean, whenever you go back a couple years ago and Bubba messes up and Rex Brad, what's he do? I mean, he was just racing. You know, it happens. It's not, does that make Bubba Talas? No.

He just messed up. So, and she doesn't, she doesn't make a lot of mistakes. People put her in a bad position a lot on purpose. And I think the best indication of, you know, what Haley can do is when she ran that Xfinity car, when it said, when it singled out and got single file, she was able to be pretty competitive, I thought. I mean, more so than the trucks, but it was more, it was more driver and machine versus, you know, just who can hold it wide open and do stuff like that. So that's what we talked about, you know, we talked about earlier this year with Krause, same thing. You know, Kraus,

yeah, he's ran well. He was, he was a good truck series driver, but I think he's better in the Xfinity car because of, yeah, it just, you have to drive those cars. And it's more so about you're new than just what you have. And maybe he'll also do, maybe he, if he gets the opportunity, he can get into a car and see if he can outperform the equipment more. You know what I mean? Because when you get the Xfini car, it's like Zane ran good. I thought Zane defined. It's easier to just figure out what you got.

There's more options with the Xfini cars. Trucks, it's just, it's like you better get it all on a restart and hope you come out off a turn too with it still pointing straight. So, but I don't really think these, you know, these comments are needed or, very well thought out. No, I think, I mean, it's just frustration and I get it. I'm not saying, be happy about it. At the same time, like, it's just, you got to know what you do.

Like, yeah, it is what it is. I mean, if we sat here and asked him, did you ever, have you ever messed up and got into somebody just racing too hard? If he says, no, we're all, we're getting struck by lightning. So talking about, you know, he, you know, he, I think that's a niche truck, right, that he runs. I know, I mean, I know it's the 45. I assume it's a knee's truck. It might not be.

I could be wrong. It is. It is. It is. well, Bailey Curry did a really good job the other night. Bailey Curry is somebody that, like, quietly runs well when he gets in stuff. I remember him running the Johnny Davis car, and it was because Herm was spot and for him that I kind of, you know, I knew talking to him a little bit. But he, I feel like he kind of performs really well and one of the, you know, and he has the ability to make some mistakes too, which everybody in that series does.

But, you know, if we're talking about Barry going to the four and maybe Carson going to the eight, that's going to, open a good truck up over there. And there's good guys in that town. We go back to the talent over money that don't have a lot of money that could possibly get in there. Bailey Curry's one of them, a kid like Caden Honeycutt's another one that does a really good job. When he jumps in trucks, one-off deals, that could be somebody that looked for that. But I thought Bailey the other night did, I saw he qualify.

I think he was on the front row. And then he ran top five, six, seven, something like that all night long. So shout out to him on the better side of things for Nice, maybe. They had a good night, I guess, with a win. Yeah. and Bailey. Racing season is underway. New customers download the Draf King's Sportsbook app and use code DBC.

Bet $5 and get $150 in bonus bets instantly. That's code DBC, only on Draft King's Sportsbook. Gambling problem, call 1-800 gambler. In Massachusetts, call 1-800-327-50 or visit gambling helpline, MA.org. In New York, call 877.7. 8 Hope N.Y or text Hope N.Y. 467369. In Kansas, call 1-800 522-470-7-00 on behalf of Boothill Casino and Resort. In West Virginia, gambling problem, call 1-800 Gambler.

Or visit www.1-800 gambler.net. All games regulated by the West Virginia Lottery, please play responsibly in partnership with Hollywood casino at Charlestown places. In Connecticut, help is available for problem gambling. call 888-78-9-7-7-77 or visit ccpg.org. 21-plus in most eligible states, but age varies by jurisdiction. See draftkings.com slash sportsbook for details and state-specific responsible gambling resources. Bonus bets expire seven days after issuance.

Eligibility, wagering, and deposit restrictions apply. Terms at sportsbook.draftkings.com slash auto racing terms. We've been telling you for years now. the RacingUSA.com is Dormaber Clear's go-to store for the latest and greatest. Officially licensed NASCAR merchandise. NASCAR hits the streets of Chicago this weekend, and RacingUSA.com has limited edition driver t-shirts commemorating the event. These are the same limited edition shirts that will be sold at the racetrack.

If you're not going to the race but want one of these limited edition driver shirts, you can order them from RacingUSA.com. Drivers available include Bowman, Wallace, Elliott, Hamlin, Johnson, Lugano, Harvick, Bush, Larson, Truex, Blaney, and Byron. Oh yeah, did I mention they're at the lowest price too? Also, the autographed Tyler Redda, Carolina Blue, Jordan brand, Coca-Cola 600 diecast, and on target to sell out even before the cars arrive. There are only 72 pieces being produced, and they're only available at RacingUSA.com.

Thanks for supporting RacingUSA.com. RacingUSA.com is truly unique. Every product they sell is discounted. every day with no coupon code needed. You are guaranteed the lowest pre-order prices and your in-stock orders are shipped the very next business day. Plus, you can select from a wide assortment of the newest officially licensed diecast, apparel, hats, helmets, novelties, and collectibles for the sports most popular

drivers, many of which are exclusive to RacingUSA.com. So whenever you want a new hat, t-shirt, die-cast, helmet, or novelty to support your favorite driver, shop RacingUSA.com. Google's top rate is store for NASCAR merchandise. Well, continuing on the topic of frustrations, this time coming from the Xfinity series, Cole Custer expressed his frustration post-race after NASCAR did not make AJ Ombandinger fix the damage that he claimed gave the team an unfair advantage in the closing lapse of the race. Spot on, spot off, TJ.

I didn't see the damage. Is there any picture? I didn't know. I couldn't find one. Like, does there any pictures of the damage? Oh, look. I mean, I guess you just got a wreck. and listen it's not the first time no it's not the first time a car has been in a wreck and if you're

good enough to wreck and hurt your car to make it better you probably deserve to be faster yeah like because that the only time i can remember this being an advantage was and they i think they had a role against it the next week was whenever uh true x got a little damage at martinsville on the right front fender just cut it off i think it was made out of cardboard and then you just take it off and then that tire just cools itself and doesn't heat up and the thing turns for longer. And Martin was really fast that day as a matter of that. I'm pretty sure he won the race.

He won the race, yes. So, but I mean, I don't know what the damage was. If it was blatant, like, we had a little bit of damage too. We got running into the back of. And it pushed the back of our bumper up about a half inch or something like that. The whole spoiler was pushed up in the air. What are we going to do? Yeah.

Well, I guess Cole did have to fix damage on his car, I think, in the previous race. because he was getting his damage. Yeah, I mean, I don't, I'd have to see the damage. I didn't see it. So what, I mean, we see this all the time. And I think NASCAR does a pretty good job about it. You know, I'm sure something slipped through the cracks. But, you know, we used to see it back in the day.

You know, they'd come in for a pit stop. And the jack man or the tire carrier would literally body slam himself into the side of the car trying to cave the door in. And they would catch it and make the guy come back down pit road and fix it. So I think if they look and see, you know, if I, I have not seen a damage either. I have not seen a picture of it. I heard all the stuff on the radio about it.

You know, if they, if they, you know, get run in the back of and then they go over there and they're manipulating the right rear quarter panel a certain way. And NASCAR can go back and look at that. I think they'd make them come back and do it. But if it's just literally damage from the, you know,

if the right rear gets damaged and they just pull out the fender well or the quarter panel well to, you know, get it off the tire or, you know, listen, every time we pit, if there's any opportunity to take any kind of leeway with, you know, getting an advantage to your car, everybody's going to do it. Sometimes you get caught. Sometimes you don't.

But, you know, if I feel like NASCAR probably went back after all the chatter on the radio, if NASCAR went back and looked at it, you know, and they felt like they didn't, I say, I feel like I say this word every week now, egregiously pull on the fender or get it out there. Yeah. Then it is what it is. And looking at this, the damn thing's taped on. You got a picture? Yeah, we got a picture in the group meet.

It's a good picture of Bailey. Like, yeah, that doesn't look to me. I could have seen if they were like flaring the right rear out some or just what it just looks like it got wrecked. And that's what it is. You know, we saw where was it? I think it was, was it Richmond maybe? Kyle Bush, they brought his ass in like 100 laps later

to take a piece of tape off the car because it ended up on the nose. I don't know what you do there. like, hey, come back in and knock that. I mean, the thing's destroyed. Yeah. I don't know. And listen, it was obviously an advantage. He, like, we were racing.

I was spot for Chandler and we led a good part of it. And then I thought the double zero was a little bit better than us. He ran us down and we're kind of racing each other for the lead. And then I look up and AJ's like four tenths fast for everybody. And I'm like, what the hell is going on here? And he just drove by, drove by the two of us like we were parked. like, well, damn. And then Chandler made a comment on

the radio about the right rear of the 10 on one of the resarts. I said, oh, maybe that's why. But I mean, if you're good enough to do that, go ahead. Yeah, I don't think that was planned, but it certainly didn't hurt his feelings at all. I got to, I got to go.

10-4. Yeah. Let me check him with Brett. He's probably still in Nashville. Yeah. While we wait on him to get here. Do we want to start DBC A-Main? And then we can pick up with spot-on, spot off when he gets back. We could do that. All right. Let's move on to the DBC A-Main, where we chat all things, dirt racing. I don't know, Freddie. I think I was glued to DirtVision watching the Hussitz race every single night last week.

Yeah, I didn't realize that that was such an event. I mean, I guess it's a, what was it, the high banks hustle, I think it's called. I had some buddies at. I think it's one of, if not the highest paying all-l race. I saw it was like $250,000 to win, which is a solid. I've seen for years about people talking about the late models, getting all the big paying events, and it seems now I was looking, I actually tweeted something from couch race the other day.

This race in Houston was 250 grand a win. They have a million dollar to win event coming up at Eldora. and then Brett's at Nashville. Yeah, I saw that. Stop. Let me, you know, I was just talking to Taylor Moyer, Josh Barry's crew chief, about DBC.

He might be around this morning. Let me give him a call, see if he wants to come in. Send anybody with opinion to the Dirty Mo Studio immediately. Stand by. All right. Well, the DVC Audible has officially been called. Brett is apparently not going to make it to the show today. His flight did not change apparently like we had thought it might have.

And we changed the show for him. So, Brett, you suck. To move back to his schedule a little bit. And so TJ had to bail. He's going, I don't know, he's going to lunch with Brad or something. Thankfully, we have an entire race team down the street. we could pull talent from. So we called old Taylor Moore up and Taylor, luckily we have a little bit of your time today. Absolutely. Yeah. Luckily, all my meetings went long. So I was just sitting on a tire

eating a packet of tuna fish and got a phone call. Nothing going on there. Nope. So yeah. How was your weekend this weekend? It was up and down. We felt really good off the truck for practice. And then we got in there. None of us qualified well. All the JRM cars were really good in practice. really good pace on long run. We ran like 40 laps in practice. It was nice to just have practice. Yeah. And then none of us qualified well. We got together as a group, really talked about why we thought that happened and how we were going to react. And then as a group, we went, you know, right into that race, which was just a, uh, a show. It was a show. Yeah. So, like, from, from a crew cheese mentality, I mean, I think I had three or four tire cycles on my first set of tires by the time.

those off. Same thing with stage two. You're just always wondering where your car is really at. We were okay. We were going to run top five. We did run top five. That whole race was just kind of, you only have three sets of tires. So many guys had spawned and take two or three or one or whatever. That last caution comes out. We're fifth. We didn't really have a winning car. Didn't want to make our day worse. So I wasn't going to put on 50 lap scuffs. And then darn if like everybody behind me pits to put on mixed match scuffs. And the only person who out, you know outran us on that was i think marty lindley and sam they had made a good call they had taken two and fuel during the green flag stops they were eighth or ninth and the worst that was going to happen

is that you're going to fall back to eighth or ninth but that left them with that set of tires um for the end so that was a good call marty's part but other than that it was just a disaster the grip level is so bad you know we we practice at 530 and then you know first corner lap one you saw how it went yeah it was and you know it was we were talking about it on here earlier in the show just you know you you kind of eventually see this is the X-Findy series. You know, like the, the, the, these guys are very talented, all, a lot of them, but there's a lot of guys out there that, you know, you, it's very, we're talking about the track and how easy it is just overdrive the entry to the corner.

Oh, yeah. And then especially if you got somebody on your door, you know, you've seen every instance, almost every wreck was two guys racing each other hard into turn one and or on each other's doors and chasing up into each other. So yeah, it definitely, like we were talking about earlier, just it took like it felt forever to get that race going and, and just even like towards the end got a little bit better. But yeah, it was interesting to see that last strategy play out because we were up there running second or third and we were awful at that point. We felt awful.

I mean, we're running thirds. We're not terrible. But, you know, like we were, I kind of felt like we were in trouble when that yellow came out and just, but what do you do? Like, you know, if you're going to go to the back and you're probably not going to drive back up through there. We had, I think they said our best set of tires had like 24 laps on them or something like that. Yeah, and they've been probably the same as us. You cycled three times and you're like the glue's not even dry on the lug nuts. Like it's just going to be.

Yeah. There's still 14 on the lead lap. I don't know. That's the thing about our series, especially coming down from Cup that's been harder, just the limited tire sets. Yeah. And I was surprised.

I didn't realize how limited it was the other day because we were on that longer green run at the end and I knew we weren't going to run back down to the 10 or the 4, the double zero. And I was like, man, I said, Bruce, we got another set laying. And he's like, oh, no, we're done. He's like, that's all we got.

I was like, oh, I always usually feel like we always usually have that one extra, like if there's a late caution, he's like, no, that's it. We're out. I was like, oh, boy. Well, most races, you're right. Most races, I'd say Bruce, I know Bruce well enough to know he calls him like I do, and you one for stage one, one for stage two, one for the fuel break, and that leaves you a set laying.

But some of these races, that's how NASCAR does it. Yeah, it's interesting. But anyway, let's kind of jump back into it. We just, obviously here you're jumping in mid-show. We talked about some stuff here. One thing, a couple things pertaining to you. One is we talked about Tony Ster. doing this, you know, big proclamation that he prefers to go get a talented guy over

somebody that's going to, you know, bring a rich dad or something like that. Obviously, this pertains to you. He took your driver this year, Josh, who I think we all know is really talented, but just talk about the deal working with him and seeing it up close and personal now. Yeah, yeah, I couldn't be actually more happy about the situation. People have been like, aren't she sad? You're losing Josh. Well, of course, Josh is talented.

But if you went in my office, you know, Miss Kelly, she put, dry erase paint on all our walls. And the first thing on our goals list for this year, my goal list, I was actually not winning a championship. It was get Josh to cup. And I think what's important to that is obviously it's a personal thing for me and Josh, but it's also about what Josh represents. I'm a blue-collar kid that grew up on a farm and dirt racing in the Northeast. My friend's still dirt race up there. We all know how this sport goes. I think Joey Legano just spoke about how broken the model is right now. So when you can get somebody there purely on their talent and somebody gives them a chance

in a good ride, not, you know, that's a win for the little guy. That's a win. That's the American dream, right? Hard work pays off. Josh did it the way people talk about it. I'm sure he pushed a broom at some point at junior motorsports, right? Drove pit cars, been a mechanic, late model program. None of that's glorious or glamorous.

I'm sure everybody just assumes, I think, that, you know, Dale Jr. just carried him through, but the guy did it on hard work. Like, I don't know. I think we all need reminders, especially nowadays in society, that hard work still pays off. And I, I've obviously known Josh and I pretty open, and he told me as soon as the talks really started to get serious. And then I knew when he's signed and everything. And it's hard to not go run around and tell the world because you're so proud. You're happy.

Right? But no, this is what we wanted from the beginning. I remember when Dale brought Josh to me in 21. We knew Sam was signed up for a half year. And I don't, like, I've done these multi-driver deals a bunch. And I don't really know for a while if we knew who was going to drive the beginning. And I know our team guys started talking about it. And then we found tire pros and some sponsorship.

And that was COVID racing. There's no practice. So our MO was kind of like the first stage Josh got used to the car. second stage we might get a stage point or two. And then the third stage, we were kind of just there competing a lot if we weren't doing crazy things like jumping through the grass in Atlanta. But then we go out and we win Martinsville. Then we go run second to Darlington.

We could have won that race. It was us in the seven. Then we go run second at Dover. And I think he just proved you deserve to be there. And in fact, we went to Nashville that year and him and I talked before. And he's like, look, this is my last race for this year. Just call this race like you're going for. broke. So I remember as soon as the window open, I short pitted the field from like third.

We were fast. I didn't know if we could get to the leaders. I'm like, yeah, you know, big Gahone, short pit the field. Latart's up in the booth like, yeah, that's what you should do. Caution comes out. Get stuck a lot down. We took the wave. Had to take the wave around. I felt so bad. Took the wave around. We came back to finish fourth, but you know. Yeah, that's what you got to do. But then it worked out. He got some more, he got a lot more opportunity that year with Michael's injuries and then, you know, the rest is history. But the announcement this year in what, what? what Tony's doing where he wants racers.

It doesn't matter about dad's money. You know, he said the same thing about priests. I think it's great. I think it's what we need. I like the model. I like that old model where the team already has the sponsors and they go find the guy to drive the car and represent the brand,

not the opposite of the driver brings the brand with them. Yeah. Yeah. And you talk about that being your number one goal. That's got to be a source of pride for junior motorsports and all. I mean, I think I've seen the other day, Kelly tweeted that this is like the 10th full-time drive 10th driver to go run a full-time cup series you know ride from jrm so that i mean that's phenomenal i don't i can't think of anybody else that's producing

a cup levels you know cup series talent at that kind of level but yeah it's awesome to see for them guys um the other thing that we just talked about right before you got here was um obviously cole custer quite upset about the back of the 10 car and and the way i had just seen the picture today I hadn't seen it until this morning or this afternoon here. But, you know, where do you sit at that? Because obviously, we know, I said earlier, every time we pit, if there's a way that any of you guys can make your car any better, where I said, back in the day, they used to run the damn Jackman and decide the thing, try and cave the door in, you know, and I thought

NASCAR does a pretty good job of if they see something that's out of bounds or completely over the line, they make you come back and fix it. I didn't see. I didn't know what was here. I don't know. like obviously it was it was worked on pretty heavily but like what would you like to see or did you think that was an unfair advantage uh so i've seen him call it a couple different ways um you're right there was the days in nascar when the jackman had pulled the right rear tire he'd hip check the door

and they'd pop in it was great um i remember the rule came out i think it was i think it was larsen uh and i would say chat on the 42 that's when the they taped a fender strut to the outside fixing damage to create a lip i think that one got called out. I had to start, I think the statute of limitations apply now. I think last year maybe, yeah, last year Sam, we kissed the wall in practice at Phoenix. And when me and Danny Jr. repaired the car, it had a pretty good lip trip and they let us qualify and then they caught it. And then to let us save face, they let us go to the rear for a mechanical adjustment. Didn't throw me all the way out. But I mean, it's a game you play, right? The competitors,

me, well, part of me wants to, you know, give them a golf clap and say, good work. Like, you know, you don't want to be the whistleblower. I enjoy the good smart crew chiefs and mechanics that have some gamesmanship and some craftsmanship. I mean, it certainly picked him up on the speed chart. Jesus. Like, you're looking at those speeds and you're like, the whole field have been pretty close all day with not much fall off and all of a sudden there's an actual offset. I don't know. I just let it, I'll leave it in the drivers and the owner's hands. I'm not the guy who wants to run around the garage and blow the whistle on my fellow crew chiefs because, you know what, they're going to catch me doing stuff someday and I want to be treated the same way.

Yeah, I said that, I said, I felt like for a good portion of the race, it was us and the double zero are up there racing each other for the win. And the next thing, I know, I'm like, holy shit, AJ's three-tenth faster to both of us. I'm like, where are he coming from? There was a severe offset that nobody had had all weekend. So, all right. I appreciate you jumping here, man. We'll continue on now. Casey, let's get back to Spot on, spot off. Well, Ryan Blaney crashed into a concrete wall at Nashville and calls for NASCAR to add a safer barrier in the location saying

he'll, quote, pay for the fucking thing. And in response, NASCAR did release a statement saying engineers work closely with safety experts on the implementation of barriers around the track. As we do following every race weekend, we will evaluate all available data and make any necessary improvements. Taylor, spot on, spot off. Wait, just to clarify spot on as I agree with Blaney. Well, yeah, I mean, it's kind of a tricky one, but just, yeah.

I stand with Blaney. Yeah. In fact, we just got the pictures for someplace we're going where they've added, say, for Barry, because they took it out of Fontana. So they, someplace were going, they just added inside because they had free and stuff to use. My thing is these guys put their lives at their at risk. there's no reason to not have it. Money can't be the factory because we're always doing everything as an organization, you know, to save money and be safer. So all right, just spend the money and be safe and be

done with it. There's only so many walls. Just go do it and be done. Yeah. I mean, we, you know, we say this all the time and it's like, oh, he hit in a weird spot. Well, we just keep finding weird spots to hit. Like, you know, it's, yeah, it took a strange looking wreck where the six and the 24 looked like he just laid back and blasted the six, knocked him out of shape. And then that kind of just chain reaction goes all the way back to the field like you see on any other restart when somebody gets jacked up and and Blaney just gets turned halfway down the straightaway and ends up, you know, sliding to the grass and hitting at a weird angle. And I noticed the car was destroyed.

And I guess that was one. And these aren't the new clips yet or the new, you know, where they've slotted them to try to make them give. I don't think they're supposed to not be implemented to Atlanta. So that thing, I mean, that was the hardest I've seen a car crumple up in the front. So, I mean, it went to show you there. It's a good hit. And then I seen where he was pretty much asking for help right away over the radio.

And these guys, I mean, these things are still pretty rigid. When these guys wreck, they feel it. And they're still complaining about it. Hopefully these new updates will help with that a little bit. But yeah, we, there's just no reason in 2023 why we're still adding safer barriers and places that, you know, we don't have them. Like, just put them everywhere. Wherever it is, if there's a wall, put a safer barrier on it.

because we've made it pretty obvious that they work, and we've made it also pretty obvious that if you leave somewhere unprotected, we will find it. It always happens. I don't understand why it is. We just have to step up as an industry and make this stuff safer. NBC returns to TV this weekend at Nashville, featuring extended post-race coverage and limited pre-race coverage.

Freddie, spot on, spot off. So obviously I didn't watch on TV. So no, I think if I had to pick, I would rather post-race than pre-race. You know, I think that that's always been the complaint I see the most is, oh, my driver finished third today, but I didn't get to see an interview with him after the race was over. Or this guy had a great run and nobody talked to him. Like, pre-race, I feel like you can do your pre-race show during practice.

Like, you know, you talk about what's going to happen, what people should look for, you know, has the, you know, what's going on or what's the tendencies of the racetrack? How the race has played out in the past? Like you can cover that stuff at a different time. But post race is now, you know, I've seen a lot of complaints about Fox where it was like basically just a victory lane interview. And then they were cutting back to whatever sport was coming on next. And then they were counting on like race hub or or some other show after the fact to get those reactions. But I think if I had to pick one, I seen people complaining about it and it was just the natural state of the world is just people want to complain about everything now.

But, you know, if would you, what would you rather? Like, I get it. You were rather an hour-long pre-race and an hour-long post-race, but if you've got to pick one or the other, just give me the post-race every time. Yeah, spot on. I actually didn't realize that was the situation, but I did make the comment to Leah. My wife, we watched the race last night, and they showed all of Ross's stuff on the front stretch. And, like, they really took a long time to talk to him. And then all the victory lane. We got to see a lot of people. And then we cut back to Truex, who was second, and they did third and fourth. And that had to be like 15 minutes. And I was like, wow. that took a really long time, but it was kind of nice. And she said, yeah, they must have got done sooner. And I was like, okay, I didn't, I didn't even know until you said that. But I agree. It's a lot of the times the pre-race, it just seems like they just got Michael running up

and down pit road filling space, right? It's just, you kind of get that feeling when you're on a team out there, too. You're just standing around. It's that awkward time. The drivers are back from intros. Yeah, you're doing sponsor photos and stuff, but you can tell they're dragging it out for TV. You're not really, I mean, guests sell a couple more beers on hot dogs in the grandstands.

but other than that, I don't really know why. I do think they moved because they changed the start time of the race a little bit. I think they were supposed to start a little bit. Like they were supposed to have some coverage from what I understood, but because the start time shifted for weather. So I think next week it will be different. But I did appreciate all of the post-race coverage because that's, I mean, that's what we want to hear. Yeah.

Blake actually has the NBC scheduled. They did have like 30 minutes of pre-reactored. race coverage on NBC, but obviously with the green flag being pushed up, they just went straight to green. But yeah, still 30 minutes versus maybe more than extended that Fox said. Give me, I'm good with no pre-raise. You know, go in there, introduce yourselves, take five minutes and talk about something quick, but you don't need, if you're going to give me 30 minutes somewhere, give it to me at the end of the race. Don't give it to me before the race. Fair. All right, listen up, everyone. I know y'all are probably putting together vacation plans,

planning your next tailgate at the track, or just looking to upgrade some things around the house. Our new sponsor, Money Lion, the all-in-one mobile finance app, has been part of the racing community for years and is dedicated to helping people like you take control of your money and make good things happen. With Money Lion, you can borrow, save, invest, and earn money, all in one place. Casey, here's the best part. They want to chip in with a little something and get you started. That's right, easy money people. Download the Money Lion app today and when you open an account, use the promo code dollar sign Dirty Mo, then just set up direct deposit to earn $55.

How awesome is that? That's promo code dollar sign, Dirty Moe and get up to $55. Already have the Money Lion app? Great. Make sure to follow them on social media because they're hooking race fans up with opportunities to win some really cool stuff. including cash giveaways, exclusive on-track experiences, and custom rewards like next-level grills for your tailgates. With the Money Lion app, you're one step closer to getting your financial future on the right path.

Visit MoneyLion.com slash HotPass for more info. We all know that these tracks are getting a big part of the TV money deal. But I can sure tell you what they're not spending it on is covering. every concrete wall around the track that I thought we all learned a lesson when Jeff Gordon hit that wall

in Las Vegas so now we got Blaney hit no concrete wall and oh well we didn't think of cars aren't going to hit down there was that it I felt like he was going to keep going

but he probably not good for here he went on for quite some more time yeah I mean we just talked about it it's you know listen they say they work They said they work with people to evaluate where they put these things. Just cover them all. No matter what, we keep finding places where you don't have them.

I think that guy was the road commissioner in my hometown of Vermont. I missed those accents. Yeah, same thing. I just cover him up. Cover them up and be done. This next call is from Morgan Wallen. Oh, really? Appreciate him calling in.

Yeah. Last night I walked the Nassarer, right. Nashville Super Speed way on NBC I wasn't too enthused on the race itself

there wasn't too many calls to produce It sounds just like him You think he had any beer Yesterday? He sounds like Freddy on Broadway on Saturday

Yep Was it? Is that the go-to karaoke song? No No No I just speaking English was different That's impressive

That takes talent And I can't say some more power to that guy Yeah I really thought Ross Chastain Finally got a clean win But somehow he causes a wreck Right at the end of the race When Daniel Suarez tries to go over

And congratulate Ross and chase bumps into him I don't really know what happened All I know is that it was caused by Ross winning Thank you Ross Damn it Ross almost got through one clean well I this was this was at the buzzer too pretty hysterical

like I Bubba just started laughing I was packing my shit up I didn't even I wasn't even looking we were on we were like right at the entrance of pit road I'm packing my stuff up and I hear Bubba go ha ha and I just look up and there's cars wrecked and I I went back and watched the video of it

and I don't know I don't know if Chase I know chase was about three or four laps down maybe he thought he was going to run those three laps while Ross was doing a burnout. But yeah, I've seen somebody tweet like that's the most cars chase past all day. I don't know if he was mad at somebody or just mad in general. But I don't know why you're passing half the field coming to Pitt Road. And then Daniel's just not paying attention, I guess.

Which it's, I don't know, you wouldn't expect somebody be coming, I guess. But that was just one of them deals were pretty funny to look at. Pretty silly looking. Did Daniel have to bring out a backup after qualifying? Was that a second car? No, was it? He was. He did.

That was his backup car. Was it a backup car? That's what I thought about. I know we were getting our car ready to race when they were qualifying. And I saw him, you know, back in the wall pretty hard. And then that happened after the race. And I was like, well, you don't do two race cars in a weekend much anymore. Yeah, that was his backup car.

It knocked the toe links out of it and everything. Oh, I'm sure. I mean, he hit him a ton. Like, I mean, not a ton, but he hit him hard. I mean, and just unexpected. Like, I was pretty silly looking at it. I'm sure. Well, it was going to get an award.

I think somebody else might get that. award now. They caught the commentators off guard completely. The camera was panned away, so it made it sound like it was like an active event, you know, like fight. The fight or malicious or something, and they pan to it, and it's just clearly two guys confused as can be. The one video I saw, the first one I saw was from NASCAR's Twitter, and it's really

funny because it's the in-cars. So you're looking at it, and Chase is passing everybody, and then Daniel swears up in front of them. And then, like, you catch, I forget if it was Daniel's in-car or Chase's, but like, in the background, you just see Ross doing donuts right behind them. It's just comical to say the least. Where is Briscoe going? That's what I don't understand. I don't know. I mean, I'm sure he was mad. Like, they have been awful for literally two months now. I don't know. I, there's something going on. They made a crew chief change, but I mean, it's to be that bad for this period of time,

they've, I don't know. Like, it's stunning, honestly. Like, I don't know how you can miss it that much to where you're literally back there racing the 78 and the 77 on a weekly basis right now. And I feel bad for him. I love Chase. I think Chase is a great guy. I think Chase is a very good race car driver. He was in contention to win races last year. He won a race at Phoenix.

He didn't forget how to drive in a year. So there's just something missing right now. And it's stunning to look at. So I'm assuming he was frustrated and guys are just looking to get the hell out of there at that point. And probably just, I mean, I'm sure there's going to be some kind of rule change about no passing coming to pit road or something after the race is over. But it, yeah, it was just not a good look on all fronts, really. Thanks for Ross. Way to go, Ross. All right. Well, don't forget to call our new reaction theater number 704802-9572 or you can go to anchor.comfm slash doorpiper

clear. Click the message icon. Send us your songs, messages. Tell us how great we are or how much Brett sucks. Moving on AskDBC. Send in your questions on to their each week using hashtag AskDBC. We will keep picking the best ones. And this first one is from Richie. Do you just bother their parents when their driver splits two lapsed cars down the middle? What can you even say to that?

Assuming that's the Ross move. And I'm assuming, Freddie, that is for you. Yeah, I would say. to my knowledge I don't ever remember shitting my pants on the roof um yeah no I mean you kind of like usually

a lot of times you'll have to tell them that this is the movie you gotta make like you're warning them basically when we're coming up on a lap car it's usually you got a slow and out front he's been top he's been bottom

he's been wherever they've been running and that's what we always talk about you know when when you are in the position where you're getting lapped like if people ask us for advice they're like what should I do wherever you're you been running, stay there. We'll find a way around you. It's just, you know, if you've been

on the bottom, stay on the bottom, because we know you're going to be on the bottom. If you're to the top, like, stay there because we know, all right, this guy's been top, we'll go bottom. And sometimes you just catch it to where you get you guys at the same time. And you're like, all right, this one's been top. This one's been bottom. You're going to have to use the middle. And it just what it is, you can't afford to slow down, especially with these, with the cup cars, you know, you break momentum. And it's, it's a lap or so before you get it back. So nothing really, nothing, you know, does, we're supposed to stay. pretty calm up there and sh-hitting our pants is probably not a good trade i think if anybody's done

that they probably wouldn't be up there very long we'd probably run them off pretty quickly it's too hot to be doing that oh yeah yesterday that's terrible we race when we raced it was like 91 92 and i seriously thought about tj i was like you got to be hot man i'm hot i'm sweating through everything down here you got to be hot up there it's that's a tough place too because uh it's like a tar roof basically. So it feels it's hot up there. But hey, whatever. Here's what it is part of the job. This next one is from Jersey Jack.

How safe is Bubba Wallace above the cut line? And what is the discussion within the team in regards to being safe with points and taking gambles for race wins? Freddie? Well, you're never really safe with points because there's guys that can win. I think we are 15th right now. I don't even remember. I think we're maybe 35-ish above the cut line. Um, we're just focused on running the best we can. And, you know, yesterday we caught a lucky caution got, you know, cycled back to the front, got some stage points and, and, and finished 15th. That was, that was probably a win for us yesterday because I don't know that our car was good enough to run 15th all day. Um, so it is what it is. There's no, I mean, if it gets down to it and we're knocked out of the cut line, you know, everything's kind of case by case basis. Right now you're just focused on, obviously you want to win every week. I don't think we need, we're not going to take any unnecessary.

necessary gambols right now trying to win because we are currently locked in or currently in the playoffs right now and we'd have to have two winners from behind us knock us out which chase is back there. Bowman's back there. There's good guys back there that can easily win races. But until that happens, we're in right now. So there's no reason for us to panic. Taylor, you know, you're a crew chief. You call races for a living. You know, obviously that you see times when the only time it really comes up is when you see our caution before the end of a stage. You know, now we've got rid of that at the road courses that that came up a lot more often there um but you know that that's it like if you're if you're on this cut line you have to make the decision like i can chase these stage points here or i could

flip it and probably get a better finish you know that's the only time that's a 50 50 call i think yeah you know you're right that's in your series especially there's that and then there's the do i pit short do i pit long possibly get trapped a lap down um and it's probably situational track to track depending on how skilled you feel at tracks right I haven't followed Bubba's point situation exactly. But I would think somebody outside the line, especially as you come up to the playoffs, is going to be much more risky. If they have to win to get in, it's easy.

Sometimes that makes it a lot easier. The decisions made for you. That's how Josh and I won Martinsville those years ago. We didn't have to worry about points. I just flipped every stage, keep the track position, go win. And just like you alluded to on the road courses, that's the decisions you'd come up against about every time. There'd be the couple road course, the couple cars that they weren't really running for driver's points.

And you're like, well, you can count on them to flip all the stages. Yeah. So if you want to go get points, you can get the free points, but you're going to put yourself probably starting 10th in the final stage. Yeah, you just have to evaluate it on case-by-case basis in most times. And sometimes it changes throughout the race based off of the speed of your car. Like sometimes you're in there and you're like, hey, we got a car to win. We're staying on the winning strategy that puts us right in.

Sometimes you're like, we got to swing for the fence. to even get a good finish. And then sometimes you're middle of the road. And that's the tough part. It was like when you're, ah, just a little bad luck for somebody else. We could be right there, but we're not really fast enough

to drive up there and get it. Yeah, I think you hit the nail on the head. I don't think there's any point for him to panic yet. I don't think you can plan for what hasn't happened. Yeah, yeah. I mean, you can't. Like, if somebody else wins, I think it turns our aggression level up a little bit

because now we are the cut line. But, yeah, there's no reason to gamble. start gambling just yet. Taylor, you're, you guys are, I think, 100 points ahead of the cut line. So, like, where is your mentality in terms of, you know, now until when the playoffs start for you guys? Gotcha. Yeah, sorry. I'm glad you informed me on how above the cutline. Yeah, like, I don't ever think of it that way. We're fifth. We're 115 back. I'm always looking at the next guy in front of us. Or maybe I always write down on my binder going into each weekend, who's two in points in front of me and two behind me, especially more when you get 20. towards all the playoffs rounds or whatever,

but right now I'm full eyes ahead. We're not running nearly as well as I expect us to be running. So I'm just gonna keep on focusing on running well and winning a race, right? I just need to maximize more stage points. I don't really look back, look forward. You know, I'm, I don't know how different crew chiefs are,

but like I'm kind of a, we are a very, we have a process, we trust the process, we try to stay with that process, that's kind of our MO. If you start doing things differently all of a sudden, sometimes it creates more damage than it's worth. This last one is from Jane. Freddie, where are the spotters located in Chicago? Which one?

I think that there's 12 corners. And to do the race properly, I would probably need 10 to 11 spotters. We have three. I think we're actually bringing five per car for our. team. So the main spotter will be above the pit road. And there's a, I don't know what they call it, a presidents club suite or something up there. So we'll be up in there. There is a building, the symphony hall, I think it's called in turn 10 or 9, somewhere over there that there's a balcony that the spotters can use. The third spotter is on a city tour bus. A two-story

A two-story city tour bus over in like turn four-ish area, I think that is. Listen, we don't know. We're going to maybe try and stick some guys at places, but then you can't really, if there's nowhere to stand, there's no point having a guy in that corner because you can't get high enough to see anything. So it's pointless. Right now where there's actually just, I see group me lighting up with the NASCAR officials and stuff about whether or not we can see the choose cone, which as of right now,

I don't think we can. So maybe we might just put a guy over there for that. Like, we don't really know what to expect. I don't think you're going to, I think where I'm standing. I'm going to be on that front stretch. I expect to see turn one and turn six coming back at me. Turn one kind of going away from me down the front stretch. And it's just, I don't know.

It's going to be. Hey, the good news is NASCAR informed us that they're going to put a spot up pot outside that bus so you won't have to shit your pants. Oh, that's nice. Oh, that's great. That is excellent. news for whatever poor soul I said over that. Taylor, on that note, obviously this is a brand new track for everyone. What's your mentality? How are you planning for this weekend? We have, we felt like

we, surprisingly enough on the road course side with Josh, we found a setup that really works for him that's predictable. He likes it. It's what we ran Portland with. Our mentality is take a car that he's comfortable and familiar with, go get him as many laps as he can. Uh, enjoy it and take it as it comes, be a little cautious. And that's where actually, if you look at Josh's road course finishes last year, that's how he approached everything. He had a lot of top fives because he's just keeping it on track and staying out of the dumb battles. You know, we're raising the car a little bit, get it off the manhole covers. Just the way the course looks, we better be good at, you know, things like braking and then straight line acceleration.

But, you know, we don't know. We don't know. So don't worry about it. We'll go figure it out and we're up there. We're all smart people. Just bring a car that we know how to adjust on, that the driver knows how to drive, and we'll just learn together and try to enjoy it. It might never happen again. I know, I mean, I could try to get stressed out about all the things I don't know, but nobody knows.

So why waste the effort? Yeah. I mean, it's going to be a show. I mean, it's going to, they're going to throw the green flag and a race is going to happen. Yes. So there's no point in about it. It is what it is.

And it's going to be interesting, especially the first time somebody wrecks, because if they're towards a, front, there's not a lot of places to go to miss them. So it'll be interesting to see what happens. Hopefully it's a good show. I know there's a lot of entertainment planned around the weekend, big concerts and stuff that they're kind of tying into this.

So it's just kind of going hand in hand with each other. And hopefully it's a good show. I don't know. I think I had heard rumors we weren't going back. Now I hear rumors that we are going back for another year. So it is what it is. And if it's a disaster, then maybe we won't ever have to deal with it again. If it's a good show, we'll go back next year and do it again.

like Tyler said, we don't know until we get there and see what happens. Hey, if you need a spotter, I'll be there. I may. I mean, what's the difference? You've been on a bus? I'd hold the sign that says spotter 500 cash. Somebody will put it in your hands to go. I actually had some friends who were thinking of going,

and I think the best spot where you can see all of the race track is up in one of the buildings that backs up on Michigan Ave. Yeah, the best spot is going to be a rooftop bar somewhere with a TV. That you could just watch it. That's going to be the best spot. With the eight second delay. Yeah, that's fine. What an idiot.

One idiot. One idiot. Well, Let's roll with it. Freddie. Well, go ahead, Casey. Kick it off. Brett Griffin.

You call it Brett an idiot? If you are listening to the show right now, if you're watching it on DirtVision, you are an idiot. Because we changed our entire day around for you. and then you don't even bother to show up. We all made it back from Nashville, okay?

But there you are. Anything else? Well, Casey, I appreciate you give it to Brett. That's fun. I mean, it was going to be, it was going to be first for not remembering anything on Saturday. I remembered everything on Saturday. You asked me if I remembered the picture.

I said vaguely. You asked Megan to take a picture five different times after she had already taken one. Oh, that's good. that happens the best of us especially in Nashville I don't know how it doesn't go to I don't even know where to go with the blame I guess maybe slightly more on Briscoe than Suarez

but somebody from that deal is getting an award I don't know Suarez Chase I don't know why you're passing the half the field coming up at road and then Daniel just use your mirrors and look before you turn I learned that and drivers did so

I don't know but somebody in that And somebody in that deal was an idiot. I'd have to agree. That's the only thing I really saw. I'd like to remain impartial on all other debates. You never know who might end up driving your car one day. You can't bash him too bad on here.

But yeah. Taylor, do you have an idiot? He said. I was just a agree. He agreed to double down with me. Well, actually, that's a great segue. Who would you like to see Phil the eight next year? Oh.

If you had a wish list. can you yeah I'd be a little more specific like I'd be okay with an all-star car of all-cup drivers yeah I don't know I do enjoy working with younger guys I've had 16 different drivers now that's so that that'd be a good question like is that like if I told you like you're going to have all the all-star you know you're going to have all the hendron cup drivers drive your car next year or you have Carson Hosevar who's a talented young driver coming up that, you know, especially somebody like that that we see kind of going through a change right now of kind of learning from mistakes. Like, where, where would, would you have more pride in going out

and winning 10 races with the All-Star car or going out and running well with Carson? Yeah, actually, that's pretty easy. I've always been the more like little black sheet type guy. Like, I'm always going to root for the underdog and want to pull for them. I'd have more pride winning with a nobody, right? Yeah. Winning with a somebody, a nobody who's not a somebody yet. Now, winning races is winning races, but I, you know, I do enjoy working the people side of things is what I really enjoy about the sport. And I, you know, a young guy coming up, as long as they're willing to work with me, not against me. And we can, you know, it's nice to get more than one year or two. Like, with no practice now, you have to put some developmental time these guys. So if you could get

on a deal where you had two years and you knew you had some time to try, even there's some tracks, if you're only with a guy once, you're only going to go there once with him, right? Like, that's a tall ask you've never been there. Especially. Especially. And you know, how different the trucks drive or whatever he's coming from drives to the Xfinity car now. Besides Carson of the up-and-coming drivers, who do you think may be ready to move up to the next series? I take Zane back. I had Zane in 19. He's pretty darn good in a truck, right? Yeah. He's pretty darn good at anything right now. Yeah. I really enjoyed working with Zane in 2019. I know he's in the Ford camp now. And then Andrew asked me to ask you about something with Sam Moyer.

Mayor. Sam Mayor. Why am I? Taylor Moore. I'm so tired. Nashville really got me. Sam, did he like pee on you or something? Oh, yeah.

That's a great story. No, he didn't actually. What the fuck? The text messages I get from Andrew. So, me and Sam, Sam's a great kid. He drove from me last year, but this would have been 2021. He got in at Pocono like two days after his 18th birthday when he's eligible. We go to Michigan.

He rips the transmission out in the first. first stage. And we've had a pretty bad year up into that point when I was a little frustrated. Ripped it out and he came in and rather than just be done, I said, no, we're going to fix it. And you're going to use the rest of the day as a test. We're going to be 30 laps down. We're going to go learn some. We're going to turn this season around. I said, stay in the car. Don't even get out. My group of mechanics was great. Put it up on jack stands. Transmissions out to do that. You've got to drop the exhaust pipes and all the straps to go with it. So I think we'd already drop the exhaust pipes.

We'd change the transmission, drive shafts back in. We're putting the exhaust pipes back in. And I'm laying on my left side. I'd be under the driver at this point underneath the car. Danny Jr. is my car chief, good buddy. He's looking at me from the other side, and I see his eyes get, like, as big as saucers. And I feel something dripping in my ear. And I look up, and it goes, like, right in my mouth, in my eyes.

And based off of his eyes, I was like, this kid just pissed on me. So I jumped out from underneath the. car, I ripped the window net out, and I started pulling his belts off, and I was going to drag him out of the window and drag him behind the trucks and just absolutely sh-a-stomp him. I got a long fuse, but like that's too far. You've just disrespected you people. No matter whether it's me or whoever's changing your transmission. And he's like, what?

What? And I'm like, you peed on me. He's like, oh, no, he had just taken a whole water bottle that cooled off and poured it off. By the time I got through him and through the sea, and, you know, I, but I don't lose my temper a lot. And then we laugh about it. He's told the story too. We laugh about it. It was kind of a good moment, right? You just got to get a little frustrated sometimes to come together. But

I was pretty, like my fuse was gone. And I was like, well, I'm going to get fired because I'm just beat up one of my drivers. And, you know, Scott, Mayor, his dad's not going to be impressed and been like Taylor Can't Crew Chief Sam anymore. But me and Sam have a lot of laughs about that. That is

phenomenal, actually. That is actually. But wasn't Pee. It was just water. Yeah, I was clarified. At least that's what he told you. All right, moving on to DBC picks. Brett is supposed to go first. I did win, so. Congratulations. Thank you.

Brett, so I think the only fair thing is when I didn't show up a couple weeks ago, you guys picked Baliki for me, and apparently he wasn't even in the race. So I think we just let Taylor pick somebody for Brett, and he can pick whoever he wants. Yeah, I'll pick Yosef Kostenbler. Isn't that that guy? What's the name?

What's the guy's name? Van Gisbergen. He's in the 91, right? But yeah, but he could do well. You're supposed to pick somebody who isn't racing. Whatever. I just like his name. T.J. picked.

I don't know how to spell that. T.J. Picked AJ. A.J. Freddie. I go. I will take. I don't know. how much road racing is really going to imply here.

I'll take Cindrick. I will take McDowell. Okay. Good picks. I would like to take McDowell, but I don't know that this is going to be like a overly, like a road course ringer is going to do really well. So you guys know all about the drivers and the spotters, right?

I think in terms of like McDowell might be one because Travis Peterson, your crew chiefs, that car is known for thinking way outside the box. Pit strategy was. I like it. I'd say right to his face, and he giggle and say, yes, I am. But, like, Travis gets those good finishes off having the balls to throw some crazy strategy out. So it could be somebody like that.

Same with, actually, Brett's pick's not terrible. Darien's pretty sharp. I think he's probably doing that 91 car like he usually does. And who knows? Yeah, perfect. Well, man, I appreciate you shooting down the street here and jumping in and bailing me out. So I don't have to talk to myself for an hour. thanks to TJ for hanging out for 10 minutes

and Brett not showing up at all. Thanks, Casey. I appreciate you guys coming. I appreciate all 13 people behind the table over there that we have now. We've got an entire social media team. I feel like we're getting judged. There's like a whole panel.

Casey's on American Idol over here. The way they've got her positioned. But yeah. So listen, we're going to Chicago. Good luck to you guys. Thank you. Good luck to all of us, I think, to get through there clean.

and hopefully it's a good show for everybody when we get out there, go, come out, see the race, go to the concerts, enjoy. Don't forget to catch the show on DirtVision starting this Wednesday. Leave us a comment, like, share, tell us what you think. Have a great week. We out.

Bye.