Door Bumper Clear - 301. Richmond & Carson Hocevar: A Slice Of Humble Pie

Episode Date: July 31, 2023

After a hot weekend in Richmond, Door Bumper Clear’s TJ Majors, Brett Griffin and producer Andrew Kurland are back in the studio with special guest Carson Hocevar. Fresh off of his truck series win at Richmond, Hocevar jumps straight into the show to break down the weekend. The group dives into Hocevar's rise through the ranks and previews where he could possibly end up next season.During this week's Spot On Spot Off presented by Money Lion, The CW takes over NASCAR Xfinity series broadcast rights starting in 2025, Shane Van Gisbergen confirms he wants to switch from supercars to NASCAR, the Cup race's high tire wear and the low number of cautions opens the door for strategy, and Carson Hocevar's post race interview is not to be missed.In Reaction Theatre, fans speak their minds on Truex's complaining over the radio, Blaney's ongoing struggles and Paul Tracy's SRX suspension. The group also previews the Playoffs and this upcoming weekend at Michigan. Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hey, what's up everybody? We're starting DBC today with Heavy Hearts with a good friend, Freddie Kraft. He wasn't at the racetrack this weekend, obviously not on the show today. He lost his father. So we're going to take a moment to remember Tom, his family, his friends, and most importantly, his big love for racing. Following is a production of Dirty Mode Media. Door, bumper, clear by two, pretty shallow entry. Door, bumper, clear. Hey, everybody. I'm T. TJ Majors, part of the Sixth Cup. this weekend. Only no truck racing for me. Maybe you should just do one vehicle every week because you

are actually fast. I know, man. Maybe my effort level was super high on Sunday. Brett Griffin, I watched from home this weekend. I will be in Michigan. Excited to go back to the racetrack. And we've got a special guest that people are going to like to hear from, I think. Mr. Carson Hosewar's in the house. Yeah, excited to finally be here and get on and talk a little bit. You know who's going to be really happy? Who? That dude that was yelling at you. you with the stage appearance in Charlotte. What was he saying?

He didn't like you. There's a lot of people that don't like me. He was very vocal. Casey's also not here this week, so we got a super sub. I would have to say, maybe even better looking than Casey at times. I don't know about that. I mean, he is an Iron Man, after all. Yeah.

I heard Casey was clipping her nails, and she cut one and she just couldn't come in. Maybe, yeah. Who knows? Who knows why she's not here? But, Andrew, are you ready for this? I don't know. You've done this once, right? I've never done this.

Never sat here. Oh, so your virginity of DBC is forever lost. Yeah, it's true. Yeah. That's great. Now, Casey is out sick, so we wish her well. You like to ask questions for a living, so are you going to ask us, like, better questions than Casey usually does? Now you're like on the spotlight's on you right here.

This is your shot. Didn't Joey Lugano come back from being two laps down? Yeah. Something like that. Yeah. I'll tell you what to. I'm just going to repeat myself. Did you go to Milbridge?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll tell you who wasn't too last. sound this weekend. Cars and host walk. Dude, that had to be fun. It was a lot of fun. Honestly, it was a really miserable weekend from the start. Like, so

the way the schedule worked, we practiced and qualified, and then we sat for 22 hours. And we were like pretty good in practice, felt really good. We sucked last year at Richmond, worked on it, rebuilt the whole car in the off season. Was that to hear you wrecked that guy? Yeah, I mean, we were wrecking basically lab cars

to stand and lead lap. We were that bad. So we sat there and last year we thought we practiced pretty good. Nighttime fell, qualifying, we're not very good. Race time, we were terrible. It's a fun race track if you're good. It is a lot of fun. I figured that out.

It's very fun. Last year I would have said flood the place like Chris Bushers said. But yeah, you had 22 hours to soak that we qualified 18 thinking it's the same deal as last year. We roll off pit road and my left front's flat. It falls on the rim. It locks up the tire. a splitter.

Destroys the splitter. Yeah. And I'm like, this is just perfect. We sat here for 22 hours, and I didn't even get to second gear, and I got a flat. And you pass a lot of the midpack, late back trucks, and you get a false read of how your truck is, which I thought made me a little bit overconfident that I thought our truck was actually better than I thought maybe it was. And you pass some midpack guys pretty easily.

Momentum's high. You're just passing trucks. And I'm like, man, we can run fifth to tenth here. Um, like, you ain't beating the 98. That thing ain't happened. He was a rocket. We get to about third. I'm like, all right, you know, good pit stop and everything. And all of a sudden, like, 98's caught speeding. I'm like, man, we, if I can get out front and just see ya, you know, maybe he doesn't have enough time to get me. And, um, you know, once I, I had the gap, all of a sudden, he started catching me. I look, I, I was looking at the pylon to see how where he was. And all of a sudden I saw he second. I'm like, oh, no, like, this is about it. And, um, I don't, I don't, I don't think. people always realize that. You guys are in there by yourself. Obviously, your spotter and crew chief were talking to you. But you take the time to look around and look at the pylon, to look at the television. You're looking at other stuff. Well, that's where, like, they asked me in the media center, they're like, well, did you think you were going to catch the 98? Or did you know how fast

the 98 was catching? I'm like, no, I can't see him. I was like, we were racing each other for the win, and I never saw him until three to go. Like, I never raced around him. I never knew what he was like. I didn't know what he was going to, I didn't know what his life was. He was fast. I saw him with, I caught him super fast with the old tires. So I never even got the chance to like, look where he was running. Like, is he running the top, running the bottom, what he was doing? So it's just weird that like, even Moody came up to me afterwards. He's like, it was the weirdest race.

He's like, you guys raced for the win for 60, 70 laps and never race, never was never even around each other. I think that's fun, though. So you're talking about your truck. Man, I've known your crew chief Phil for a long time. How much have you enjoyed working with Phil? Oh, he's the best. He's super fun, super relaxed, very emotional on the radio at times, as well as me. But we work really well together. We like, we don't do the BS. We don't overthink. We just do. And, you know, whatever makes sense we do in that's the direction we go. We don't fall into any other

trends. We don't try to copy C.E. Monkey do. We just, if it feels good, he's going to put it in, or if he has the idea, I just say, yeah, well, let's just do that. I like when you called him the first best crew chief. Yeah, something like that. You're like, I got the first best big crew. I got the first best crew chief. Dude, I was messed up. I was, I was like, I couldn't breathe.

I said, am I not just? You said what I'm going on here. We don't care. I said, like, hard. And I had never idea for three hours. I had no idea I said it. Like, I was so focused on not throwing up that that I was talking in like the back part of my brain and it was just talking and I didn't like I was doing my best to like just

keep talking yeah hoping like in the meantime I'm like don't throw up don't throw up. Dude you didn't look that hot like you weren't poured sweat no I was just I stopped breathing like I was just so like adrenaline pumped up like yeah like I was like oh no I like that's why like I didn't even want to talk to the guy like I he would I rewatched it and I didn't even know that they were trying to interview me for like five minutes like I was just sitting there celebrating I forgot, like, even Texas, they didn't interview me on the front stretch. So I was just like, hey, I'm just going to sit here and celebrate all day long. And I look down, I'm like, oh, now I got to breathe and talk.

Well, you were warming your hands by the campfire. That's pretty funny. Yeah, I mean, I had a good time. Like, I'd still be out there celebrating it. They let me. I told them, I was everybody either had their radio off or whatever. Like, I kind of did the check key of, or mic check of, hey, I'm going to burn this thing down, like, hardcore, if that's all right. and they're like, I didn't hear anything.

I'm like, all right, I'll shut my gauges off and I'll just sit there with the wood. Yeah. Yeah, don't look at the gauges. They're overrated. Well, they're digital dashes now. We can shut them off. Yeah, it's overrated. Yeah, well, it was fun to see a big personality.

I mean, we see all these guys win and they get out, and I feel like we're watching corporate influenced people talking in a boardroom, but you got out, man, and you were animated. So where does that big personality come from? I don't know. I just always have wanted to have fun. I didn't think I was going to last this long, honestly. Really? No.

I thought, you know, I thought I'd be six races and out or just fizzle out or run a year and, you know, kind of go nowhere or go to a lower team team or like, I didn't know how long this was going to last. So I wanted to enjoy every moment of it. And I figured, I figured if I was having fun, the guys around me would have fun or, you know, I'd meet some people and they'd want to help fund me or whatever. the case we'd be and nobody wants to fund anybody that's boring and lame and nobody wants to work for anybody that's lame so I figured if I was having fun the guys around me would have fun and word would spread and you know that would be my only shot you may be the only guy this year that comes on this show that has competed in all three

series Xfinity series truck series and Cup series this year tell me about how these things drive differently because we debated on here sometimes and we've said watching these races it almost looks like you can go and I'm not trying to set you up with this question. I just realized it may sound like that, given some of the rumors that are out there. I've said this year that it looks like you can almost go from trucks straight to cup because the Xfinity cars drive so much differently than the cup car. So I'm curious just what you think about evaluating the three series, you know, which one's the most fun to drive?

And what jump makes the most sense, I guess? What's the hardest car to drive out of all three? For me, it's the Xfinity car. It's most foreign for me. honestly like you said it's more it's it's it's the most foreign for me like I felt like I like I got in that gateway for the Cup series and I felt super comfortable right away and you are fast they have a lot of grip they have a lot of grip but I've been doing sim for a year and a half plus I've seen a lot of the data like I feel like from start

of next gen like I've seen all the development like I know how the car is supposed to work the kind of idea where the expanding car I've only just ever watched on TV I've never like sat down and looked at data like i only do the sim right before the race like they're up on the track more they're all over the place they got way more horsepower the truck and cup are a little bit closer the downforce level is probably a little closer you know it's just expedite car is way different so it took me until mid charlotte honestly it took me until about middle of the second race like i ran darlington i ran six i never felt comfortable the whole race like i never felt like i felt like i felt like I was getting 90% out of it, but I never felt like I was getting all of it.

Like, I just was like, just trying my best to not touch the wall. Like, I felt like I just kept having to slow myself down. Like, like where the cup car, I felt like I instantly could know where the aggression level is and get to the limit, where it wasn't until Charlotte and Xfinity car where I finally started pushing it. And then all of a sudden, we were running third at times. And I'm like, man, like, okay, like now I, now I can kind of tell. I've always heard drivers to get in them things and run them. Like, you've got to drive them so hard.

Like, I think McMurray, a long time ago, McMurray ran a race for Junior Motorsports, and he got in the car, and he hadn't been in an exfinity car in a while, and he's like, I just forgot how hard you have to drive these things. Yeah. And they're definitely on top of the track more. There's more tools for passing than the Cup car as well, as far as, like, arrow stuff.

Like, you don't get his arrow tight. I'm sure you felt the arrow tight in the cup car, even in a gateway. Well, I watched you when you got here. You talked about a little bit ago how you got here and you didn't think you'd be here alone. Congratulations on still being here because I think that's probably important. And big time congratulations on being here like at this moment on DBC. You're supposed to win after. Yeah, this is like the defining moment of your career.

When you leave here, you typically win. Oh, perfect. Well, I'm going to Michigan and run the Expedity car. So like it will work out. Like that's the one where I'm not like supposed to win. Right, right. And that Michigan's home. That'd be big, right?

It's the first time I've ever run Michigan. Wow. Like, so that's huge for me. Holy cow, that'll be a fun track, man. So I remember you getting here and being super fast. And I was like, man, this kid's good, right? Then I remember you doing some dumb shit, right? We talked about it on here.

Freddie has an old saying, if you don't do dumb shit, we won't have dumb shit to talk about. And then you, it seems like a switch went off. And you have all of a sudden just, I mean, I hate to say matured overnight. I know there was a conversation between you and Dale Jr., where he maybe gave you a little bit of humble pie to have for dessert, right? What happened? What's clicked to make you a better race car driver inside your own head? Because you had the

speed. It had to be up here, right? Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of different things. Part of it is understanding what they mean slow down to go fast, right? Like, they kept, I would, I would hear it my whole life. Like, you used to slow down. That's a Richmond tactic, too. I sat at Sonoma even, like, and I won the poll, and I had 16, I feel like, awkward. very uncomfortable like gut wrenching conversations right like with a bunch of you know even you know the alliance like trek house like you know Daniel Swarz is filling in worldwide express niece you know all the way down the chain you know my team that team everything and I had conversations with almost all of them and all of them were uncomfortable and like and all of them were you know just

slow down a little bit like you'll go faster I'm like what do you mean slow down like I always thought you had to win the race because you're the fastest guy. You had to like boxing like mentality. Like that's where I came into this. I thought, um, you know, if, if I'm in a boxing ring, I'm going to just keep punching. I'm going to figure out how to keep punching and you get that last round. You just start swinging. You don't worry about how tired you are. You don't worry about how much breath you have left. You don't worry about anything. You just plan on laying in the ground the second the ring goes because you're that tired. Like that was my mentality driving and I was just going to why wouldn't you put 110% of all your level into every lap you run and took it way to the extreme. Like I was way to the extreme.

I agree. At times we saw that. Desperate in every moment. Thought I should win every race or have a shot to win every race. At times I would like have a shot to win right and you see it all you know something happens flat tire anything. And I would see there and see it all fall. away, right? I'm like, man, what do I got to do to get back in the race? Like, back in the moment and then realizing back then, like, okay, even if you're back in the race, you're going to start 24th or 25th or 26 or wherever it is left, you didn't win in the race. Like, and once I started realizing that and I started looking back at it and realizing, you probably don't want the whole garage against you. You don't want your whole team against you. You have a lot of awkward

conversations. You're tired of the conversations with your own team owner and your own sponsors, and your own everything, that running fifth and, like, decent conversations when working on your stuff is a lot better than winning. And I was just so focused on winning. And once I got the first win, I could kind of realize, like, I thought it would fix itself, right? Like, I didn't have to make a change. Like, I very much thought, I don't know if it's the arrogance as a race car driver or whatever, like, oh, I'm not the problem, right? And then I want a race. I'm like, oh, everything It's going to fix itself. My hands are clean. Everything will fix itself. And then go to Martinsville, and then all of a sudden I'm having these conversations. I'm like, I won a race. Why are these conversations still happening? And then got sat down, had more conversations, had the big piece humble pie with Dale Jr. And then I'm like, whenever it clicked, it clicked. And I'm like, man, I just showed up in this guy's shop, idol of mine, childhood dream. And that's the first thing out of his mouth. What do he say?

He said, hey man, like, when do you get to stop tearing up? Like, that was his conversation. Owners don't like to spend money on fixing stuff. He's like, you ain't going to do that in one of these cars, are you? Like, he's like, man, you're better than that. I'm like, oh, fuck. Like, six-year-old me's like, all I see is a six-year-old me just sitting there. Like, I was envisioning, like, he was talking to six-year-old me.

I'm like, man, I got to fix this, like, really fast. Right. Right. It has to be a little bit eye-opening two things. A, Dale Jr. is noticing, right? You, I mean, you're this kid grows up. He's your hero. And he's watching you race. Right? That roles were kind of reversed. And then now he's giving you advice in a very hardcore way. Yeah. I mean, I'm glad he did. I'm glad everybody has. It's like you can't have yes men in life. And you can't, you just can't have that. Like, you, I would have been, I never would have changed if I did. Before we talk about the playoffs, I got to ask you. And I do this is going to be, you may squirm on me right here. Oh, yeah. Talking back at all the dumb shit that you did, right,

would you have suspended yourself at any point if you were NASCAR, given the fact of what we know now? I know it's hard to be unbiased to answer that, but I got to know. I'm shocked I wasn't. Not going to lie. I shocked I wasn't. I'm very, very thankful. I wasn't.

I can't talk too much about it, right? I can't, like, I can't, like, say, oh, they, like, I can't say, oh, yeah, you should let's just say you've grown up a lot. I, I'm very glad that they, I mean, I've had to go to, like, I've had to go to the hauler a few times, and I've had to go to NASCAR HQ and have those conversations. And, I mean, that's the reason they didn't, right? And I'm very, very glad they didn't, because if they did, I would. have been just, I think if they did, right? Like, I think at the time, I wouldn't have looked at it

like that was the punishment. I would have looked like it was unfair. Yeah. I would have looked at it like it was them against me and, you know, whatever, but they just kept having the conversations. They kept talking to me. They kept trying to get it into me. And I think that was what helped click. And I was like, was there one conversation that stands out? Yeah, they're, that this, you know, left it, you were like, you know what? Yeah, it was the last one, the most recent one. Right after Martinsville, went to NASCAR and walked in, and there were three or four people in there, and it was just a long talk. And I'm like, okay, yeah, mm-hmm, yeah. And I was understanding it. And I was fully vocal on my side, and I told them my side and told them

everything where I was at and I explained to them like look I'm I understand this is and I talked about my mindset where I was at where I was thinking what I was in the moment we went and I went through every single instance from my whole career talked with them like it was a long talk and um set with the truck series I talked to him almost every week and either good or bad and and you have those conversations you have that relationship you have everything and I'm glad they didn't um definitely shocked at times I wasn't But looking back now, but I'm glad they didn't because I think it would have done exact. I wouldn't have had the turnaround. I think everything was supposed to happen for a reason, right?

And I think if I didn't have all those growing pains, I wouldn't be in a spot where I am now. And it would have taken me longer to get there. I would have been in a better spot, right? If those weren't happening, but I think they would have been a lot further apart. Yeah. Well, the good news is we've been a lot of drivers too, though. that have been very successful. Listen, man, we've seen them all come through there.

Harvick, I mean, there's a long list of guys. A lot of successful guys have had these meetings too. But you've made the, you flip the switch, you're showing maturity, you're showing speed, three wins, your first year winning in the truck race. You already got three wins. Playoffs are coming up. You're sitting third in the standings. What is your mental approach going into this, man?

Because you're up against some Goliaths out there. I mean, we're in a good spot, right? And I'm trying not to overthink it. I'm trying not to ever get the pressure let get to me because I don't want to get in that desperation ever. You know, it's, it's, we're in a lot better spot. We don't have our tongue hanging out last two years. We've had our tongue hanging out.

You're always on that edge. You're always just on the cut line. So every spot matters. And, you know, if you're going backwards, you feel like you're just watching the points fall where now we're, you know, we're third points. Like, we've got plenty of room. We got plenty of gap. Even the next round, we're going to have playoff points in the bank.

like should be, you know, a lot less pressure, a lot less high of stakes. And I'm not letting myself get the pressure of the playoffs. So I'm just focused on one race at a time. The easiest thing to do. I have to work on my mind more is beat yourself right now. Speeding on pit road. Do I need to go three wide right here with these two guys that are in a much more desperate situation than I am?

You know what I mean? Like if you have a fourth place truck, run forward with it. You'd probably end up second or have a shot of winning because mistakes will happen in front of you. But it's so hard to, you know, just make yourself slow down that little bit. And a lot of people, a lot of drivers can't do it. But you got a good point buffer. And you have a good shot at finishing these races out, just minding your own business

and carrying momentum into the next round. Yeah, I've always noticed, too, like, that's what saved me. My first year is everybody crashed at Vegas, race one. Yeah. I was in the red heading into the playoffs. and race one I was in the green after because we just finished the race and like because everybody crashed like it seems like the first round is so chaotic that I don't want to now I am that guy up front that I just got to be able to just get there's guys are going to drive over their heads and that just get when they do that your point buffer is just going to get even bigger and you didn't even do anything but just mind your own business yep all right well uh Andrew are you ready Casey you ready Yeah. Hey guys.

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Where do you come from? Yeah, man, it's cool to have MoneyLine come on. I mean, you guys know I wear a spot-on, spot-off at about every single week. So it's one of my favorite parts of the show. And, TJ, I know that you love money. You know, Brett, it's official digital finance. partner of 2311 racing. 2311 racing. You would think they got

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dirty mo. That's dollar sign D-I-R-T-Y-M-O to set up direct deposit and you can get up to $55 on money line for free. That's promo code dollar sign dirty mo. Turned up to $55. Now, guys, let's get to our first topic. The CW will take over the NASCAR Xfinity Series broadcasts starting in 2025 through 2031, and they'll pay about $115 million per year for that deal. Oh, that's it? Spot on, spot off, TJ. Is the CW, like, is that a chick flick channel? I, what is that, isn't that what, like,

Greg Springer's on? Is it chick flick? Is it chick flick channel? Dawson Creek Dawson's Creek. They've got like Seinfeld on there. Oh, that's not Chick-Fleck. Yeah. Dawson's Creek probably is a little bit. Yeah, it's not Chick-Fleck.

Well, here's what we know. We know they're getting into sports. That's great. We know they're spending a lot of money to get into sports. That's great. We know that they're on damn near every television in America. Which is great.

Which is great. I guess you can get it with rabbit ears, which I didn't even know we're still a thing. Carson, do you even know what rabbit ears are for a TV? No, I don't know what that is. Have you ever seen rabid ears? I'm not. What are you talking about?

So you have this thing that you sit on top of your TV, which is a way we used to watch TV, and you have these things, and you literally would pull them up further and further and further, the antennas, and you could get three channels when I was little. Sometimes you put aluminum foil on it to make them. Why does that make them work better?

I don't know. Oh, that's what they're called? Rabbit Ears, yeah. What do you think we were talking about? I don't even know. Like, I thought you were actually going to put, like, like, I thought it was like the theme of the... Well, TJ will find you a picture of his phone.

genuinely rabid ears and that was like the thing it's just antennas they come up in the back like the energizer bunny you know well i think some people came out with ones that were like round and like maybe they look like a set of rabbit ears or so i don't i don't even know here's the biggest reason i'm spot on for it and i'd love to know what you guys think NASCAR just landed a new customer and and when i'm talking about NASCAR i'm talking about the sanctioning body just land this is no different than Carson Landing, a big new sponsor, right? We have another TV partner to add to the mix, this willing to take our product and put it in more households than we've had in the past, right?

And when I look at that, first of all, it excites me, but the biggest reason on the secondary reason why is, you know, NBC and Fox Sports One and Fox were spending a lot of money to cover the Xfinity series, you know, and now this gives them money to potentially move into different buckets to make the Cup Series coverage better. And they got a couple years to really get aligned and see what that means. So I think the two biggest takeaways for me is it gives our current TV partners an opportunity to reallocate funds to make the current products better. And here comes walking in the new guy on a long-term deal. It's not like they can come up, come in here and muck this up. They cannot.

They have got to have this succeed for their investment to work. Here comes. a big question though now that we've got you know this this new partner in here NASCAR is saying they're going to own the production side of this what does that mean where is that based out of are they borrowing people from NBC and Fox that are already at the track are they using all the cameras that are already in place are they going to have the booth live at the racetrack are they going to have the booth remote like what we see in F1 and what the Xfinity series did this weekend at Road America are they going to develop new talent to where it's not you know Kim Kuhn on on Saturday running the

Xfinity race and Kim Kuhn on Sunday running the cup race, it's going to be new broadcasting talent. So I'm curious to see how all that works, and this is my only real straight up concern, being real with you people. If those people are on NASCAR payroll, that makes me really nervous from the broadcasting side, because we know that MRN, Dave Moody, all those guys, they're all on NASCAR payroll, right? They work for NASCAR. There is no way around. The last thing I'm going to do is come on here and mother fucking Dale Jr. on this show because he's my boss for Dirtymo Media. So I want to know as a sports fan when I'm watching a broadcast, I want to know what you really think. So I just hope we understand,

and it's two years out. I hope we understand who those people are, who they're paid by, because I don't want to be sold anymore than I'm already sold now. Yeah, that's some good points to bring up there. I don't know the answers to any of them. So, but it'd be interesting to see how that works out. I think my favorite part of it, honestly, though, is that it's all 33 races. Like, it's not different. It's not this new broadcast. You can go and find that on that channel. It's not this new broadcast for just 23 weeks or 20 weeks. Like, you're going to get used to it really quickly. Agree. That it's all 33 for however many years, you know. Which how it, which one long time ago, that's how it used to be too for us. I mean, you go to the same channel, right? We at least knew

the same time. You know, we knew which partners were doing. What? Now it's all over the place. Great point, Carson. Spot on for you being spot on. Next topic. Shane Van Ginsbergen. Gis, there's no end before the ass. Professional journalist major over there.

Gensburg. Giz. Giz Hamburger. Svg. Giz Hamburger. Yeah. You can't say that. That's your get out of jail free card, SVG.

SVG. What'd you call him, Brett? I don't remember. Yeah, right. I think he called him Van Hamburger on the end. No, he just called him. Brandon, what do you say? Oh, what did he say?

I don't, I can't remember what he said. Joey said? It's easy to have a typo with your mouth, too. Why don't you Google that, see what comes up, Brad? Anyways, about SVG. I almost spit my water out. He confirms intentions to switch from supercars to NASCAR starting next season, spot on, spot off. I'm good for him, man.

I'm spot on, especially with the influence that he's had around here. I mean, he brings clearly some international appeal. And anytime I think we can get a better race car driver in here, that's better for the sport, better for sponsors. We've seen Marcus Ambrose come over here, man. And I can't imagine how good Ambrose would have been had he been in a really good car. Or if we ran some street races back then. I mean, he was a talented race car driver.

Yeah. Did a phenomenal job, you know, and contended to win some races at road courses. But just imagine if he'd have been in a hot rod. Just imagine if he'd be in the same car. Like everybody's on even cars now. Now, like, it's not, it's not, it's not, like. He was taking a B car probably then and running with A. I don't know if he's B's.

I mean, then, I mean, well, you think they were worse or better? I mean, I seize maybe. I'm just saying he was definitely out, others definitely had better equipment he was running with them. For sure. To Carson's point, if he'd been in even equipment, which there's more parity now than ever in a cup series, I think I'm spot on for it too because the guy gets in everything and runs Bathurst and other cars. Didn't Marcus heel-toe too? Like, he didn't he?

Yeah. So he's not, so I've inquired about that. He's not, he's heeltoeing, but he's using the clutch. Did you see what he's doing with the clutch? He's using every time he, yeah, Shane. Yeah. He's using the clutch to stop the wheel hopping and stuff. Like, if like, not that I'm a superb race car driver, but if I try to do that

into one corner, I'd probably be in the tire barrier. I'd have been in there like, no, every other, every lap. But I'm spot on for Shane coming over here. Like Brett said, there's, uh, it's great to get people like that and Shane was a class act. Marcus was when he came over here. Great dude. And I'm interested to seeing if Shane,

I think the learning curve for him to come over here is going to be easier than what it was for when Ambrose did it. I think the cars are closer together. I think he has a chance to come over here. And if he gets in good equipment, I think he could be pretty, I mean, don't get me wrong. The mile and a half of stuff and the air. it's going to take a little while to learn.

I mean, it's tough. But I think the guy has a really good shot of coming over here. And, you know, his first year is going to be a struggle. But I think he has the talent to pick it up and we'll see. I mean, but I'm spot on for it because I got a lot of friends in Australia and over there and great people. Dill Jr. talks about like Paul Morris, Owen Kelly and them over there. Really good dudes.

looking really forward to it if it happens. He's going to be back in a few weeks in Indy. How do you guys think he'll do in his second attempt at... Is it raining or not raining? Let's give no rain. Normal conditions. He finishes 15th. I think he finished a little bit better than that, but I think...

Do you remember what turn one at Indy looks like? Was that with Ligano on the pit road access or on drag? I think he runs top 10, but I think the competition's way closer here. I think our guys have been to this track. It's not an enclosed street course where we just, I don't think our guys were used to it. You know, that track. It was a, Shane's used to those rough street courses.

Like he, the car is very similar. Probably harder to drive than our, than the cup car. Honestly, they, I don't think they have as big of tires as we have. So he came over here and drove a car that has less horsepower, um, more grip. And a street course that he's, you know, that he's used to. too. And I mean, he got faster and faster as it went on too. And he did a really good job being patient in that race, just letting it come to him. But I think the competition, you know, you go to some of these tracks like there, Watkins Glen, Sonoma. I just think it's going to be

hard to run. Just be dominant. I think he can run with, I think he'll run with them guys, but I think he's going to get out of that race and be like, these guys are pretty good at this stuff. That's what I want Carson to tell me. How good is this guy? How hard is it going to be for him to get here? And that'd be good. Successful. Man, I don't know. I think it's going to be really tough for him on the mile and a half's, right? That's going to be tough to learn. I think the short tracks are going to be super tough.

25th at a mile and a half? He's going to be like, whoa. I think genuinely, I think there's going to be, I'm curious how he performs, right? Because I think there's a race within the race. I think he's racing Brody, Kostecki, too. He's coming over. Yeah. They race each other all the time.

It seems like Brody wins a lot. I keep seeing on Twitter. He's winning. He's gotten really good. He's getting a lot better. heard his name a handful of times even when I'm in the simulator. His name is obviously circling around. So I think there's a race within the race, especially between those two. I mean, how can it not? As a competitor, that's what you're used to as racing that guy. Right. Right. I'm curious how he does,

and I'm curious who wins between the two or who's faster between the two, because obviously SVGs already has a win. He already knows this car a little bit. But yeah, I don't know. My guess was anywhere from like 6 to 12th would be like not a shock for either. I think ahead of 6 would be above average and below 12th, I think, would be a bit of a shock for me. Don't forget they're moving the start finish line back into that last corner. So that should clean turn one up a little bit. Oh, good. That's a good idea.

I think anyway. They are? What do you think? I think they're moving it. Well, at what point Carson, because I think this is relevant to him coming over here if he starts running levels. at what point were you like holy shit man the air off this car in front of me

it just makes me suck I got to figure out how to manage this I mean the second I ran at truck race at Richmond or Phoenix that was the second I realized how bad dirty air is I just think everybody you just hear it and you're like

oh it can't be that bad but yeah it was genuinely like in I thought the cup car actually was a little better for me at Gateway than I was in the truck because I felt like at Gateway in the cup car like you could kind of move around

and avoid the dirty air or like the dirty air was so bad that if the guy in front of you was in dirty air you could run the top and even though the top is slower. A little bit. I think just the way like how it's so rear dependent is so dependent on like driving in super hard like not rolling the center

and then getting off super hard. So like you could kind of run the top at Gateway and like get a big diamond and get off the corner where like truck it's it's just all about honestly roll speed we don't have like we can't shift down and get RPM but um so you're just kind of always just left front headlight out like very rarely every can you just go up the wedge body the usual tactics our wedge body like it makes it worse on the top or cup car like you can kind of seems like it wasn't as effective when I got up there. There is definitely better air like once you're there yeah yeah how do you keep your cool

when you're in that situation because as a driver that's got to be the most frustrating part of the race when you catch a guy from a straightaway back and then you get there and you can't do anything. How do you stay calm? You try. I haven't in the past, obviously. We've seen you.

We've seen you do that. Yeah, it's so frustrating. I hated PJ1 for the longest time because it would take a worse race truck, put them in a lane that they're on the throttle more and so like Texas like you'd be wide open

around the bottom and you're obviously like if you're wide open almost on the bottom you're going to be obviously wide open on the top you'd make your truck run good there so the second like you

move up like you're now wide open versus now you have to lift when you're on the bottom so now you can't get off the corner so I'd be you'd be four or five six tenths fast in the car in front of you and the second you go to the you're running the top with them wide open and then now you have less grip when you're

going to the bottom. So now you're trying to pass in less grip and in a worse arrow of spots. So now you're even worse. So now you physically could not pass. Yeah. Tough. All right. I can't wait for this next one. I've actually got some audio for this once you cue it up, Andrew. Spot on, spot off. Carson Hosevar says he's tired after his truck series win on a I'm a fucking tired. I'm going to do a no way great so I'm coming to throw up here in a minute. I am not technologically savvy, Carson. But if somebody does, doesn't make a gift out of this that says I'm fucking tired with you running your hands through your hair in a video and send it to me. I'm going to be forever disappointed just so you know.

I mean, am I allowed to just fought on myself? Yeah. Of course. I mean, I was. I mean, I was just generally saying what I felt. I was I was about to throw up. I'd said that. I didn't realize. It was a quick F-bomb. It was really quick. It was kind of like. Yeah, it's almost like nobody heard it. Yeah. That's why they have the delay now. That was live. They missed it.

They seemed to miss it. That is actually true. That because I heard it too. Yeah. Yeah. Delays don't help F bombs. Who's going to pay that? Did you get fussed at at all?

I didn't know. Like, nobody said anything. Nobody told me anything. I don't think you should. I was done with the media center. They're going to now. I was done with the media center and they're like, well, originally they thought I said I was getting drunk. Like, originally my sponsor thought that.

Right. And they're like, you said that. And I'm like, no, I didn't. I said, I'm going to watch people get drunk. I said, Texas, I got asked what I was going to do to celebrate. And I said, I can't really celebrate. I'm just going to watch a bunch of people get drunk and I'm going to have a good time. Cool lead, man.

And I'm like, and so I was like, I was just what I say every win now. Like I just watch people. And they're like, oh. And then they all is the funniest thing. I said the F bomb, but they were worried about that. they're like, you said that? I'm like, no, no, I didn't. So we watched it like six times during the deal, and I'm like, man, I really did say that.

And then I'm like, oh, I did say that too, though. All the kids should have been asleep by then anyway. It was a night race, and I thought it was fucking funny. Yeah, I think it was a good race. It's fun to see different strategies, kind of meet and see what works out. So I was just glad, like, I was on the right end of it. Yeah, I would say so. I've been on the, I was at Kansas on the off, off,

of it and Derek Krauss blew a right front tire right in front of me and I lost six seconds on one lap. Wow. And I lost the race by 1.2. I actually remember that. Heartbreaking. Carson, you talked about it earlier about like holding your breath and you didn't even know you're doing it. Like is that something that happens often when you're driving like those close high tense

situations at the end of a race? Maybe a little bit. Honestly, it was more when I won. Like I was just running around and I was like like I forgot. to breathe when we won. Like I'm doing burnouts and I'm like, oh, what am I doing next? I'm jumping up. I'm running around. And the adrenaline's just starting to wear off a little bit. So I was more when I won. We were so much faster than. And they kept telling me, you're going to get there. You're going to get there. So I was like, oh, this is easy. I was just focused on,

okay, if a yell comes out, this is the only way I lose the race. It was fun to watch. I will say that. It was good racing, man, all weekend at Richmond, honestly. glad you didn't throw up. Same. Because I would have threw up. I can't watch people puke. No, I'm the same way. I'm gross.

It's gross. Like, I've told everybody, I'm like, if you throw up, I'm walking away. Like, don't be insulted. I'm just going to turn away. I've never cleaned up throw up in my life. Ever. Have you, TJ?

I mean, I even when a baby spits up, I'm like, ooh! Yeah, my kids, when they were little, yeah. I'm out. I had to hire somebody. How much? I had to do it once. It was brutal.

I threw up again. Like that was the worst part. I was at school. Those are the worst. I was at school and I got in trouble because I was always, like, I would always fake being sick to get out. Yeah, I did that too. Yeah, we all today. So I threw up at school and they thought I faked it. Like, because like I just ate it and it went down wrong.

So like it came up. Yeah. Not to get gross. And like, but like it looked fake. Yeah. So they made me clean it up and I wasn't allowed to leave. And then I vomited again. For real.

For real. And they were like, oh. I'm like, well. The worst was on the school bus, man. If somebody threw up on the bus and then they had to clean it up and that just sits there. Yeah, it never went away. The smell like that speedy drag out over and stuff. I got two throw-up stories.

Actually, I lied to y'all. I got two throw-up stories. One of them is I was coaching seven-year-old basketball. And the kid beside me is this jovial fun kid. And I look at him. I'm like, man, you all right? Because he wasn't acting. All right.

He just shook his head, no. And then he projectile Lama anywhere. And literally the referee looks to me and goes, coached the Mops over there and I'm like I went to the bathroom I'm telling you running to the bathroom when I came out thank God somebody else that cleaned it up I have one go ahead finish yours I want to go ahead and the other one was this was the worst

one dude oh no Bodie's friend Cam baseball teammate we're in my truck we're going to Columbia South Carolina I'm taking them to a college baseball game and Bodie's like that I don't want a milkshake Weather Tech mats nobody told me this kid can't have milk what is that lactose intolerant or something so that they get these milkshakes

and I hear Bodie say, Dad, Cam just threw up. And I'm like, surely I would have heard him. Surely he would have rolled the window down and tried to throw up outside. Brand-fitting new truck, Carsonette. So I start to smell the worst smell I have ever smelt in my adult life.

And this kid had vomited all in my back seat. And unfortunately, the other seats, right? So you're like, man, no problem. We can clean this up. I'm going to man up right here. Well, the way he's, threw up, it went in between the seats, and down under the park, into the carpet. Sell the car.

It cost me, I should have. It cost me 600 bucks. Listen, I got bacon soda. You get paid way more than that. I got Glade. I got everything in the world trying to clean this up. But I finally, after a weekend, can you imagine in the summer getting in your car after somebody's thrown up?

Now. I now know why Uber drivers charge $200 to throw up in their car. It's probably not enough. They should charge $2,000. Yeah. So back in the good old day, as well. when McFarlane was driving, Mark McFarlane was driving the Junior Motorsport stuff.

We, there was a little bit of a prank war going on. And, I mean, this is like breaking in the houses, middle of the night, buckets of water and flour and stuff. It was that bad. Well,

me and Tofer took, put sardines in the back of, open cans of sardines in the back of Mark's car at the airport and they baked in there all weekend. So, but the one thing about throwing up is this might make you actually throw up.

So, When Madeline was little, I had her and she was probably maybe, you know, one or two years old. I was like, I just fed her, uh, sweet potato, you know, the baby, baby food and stuff. And I'm sitting there playing with her and I'm laying by my back and I'm putting her above my head. I was like, you know, boo. And I, next thing and I'm like, she threw up in your mouth? That's sweet potatoes. Ugh.

She peoped in your mouth. She definitely threw up on me and went my mouth. Dude, that stuff looks like peeped before they eat it. So, yeah, so I had sweet potatoes. All the guys in the room are laughing about these puke stories. All the girls are like playing on their phones and not even listening to us. We're so immature right now. It's definitely a guy thing to do.

Sorry. Sorry for starting that. Yeah. Did we get it all out? I think we're done. It's all out. I didn't see vomit on the it. We have a different show sheet.

It's in between the lines. Yeah. It's like just in between the seats. Oh, that's disgusting. All right, this next one, spot on, spot off. Chandler Smith loses his brakes and runs himself into the concrete wall at Road America in order to scrub speed. T.J. I mean, I got to be, can I be both?

Because I'm spot on for his decision making in that process because it ended up watching the next guy. I much would have rather taken the hit Chandler Smith did than the next guy that took the alternate route. So spot on for his decision making, spot off for the part failure at that point of the track, because that would not be much fun. I think I would rather have it happen there than that Canada corner that is at the end of that long, straightaway with the kink in it and stuff, because there's not a lot of runoff in that corner. Like, it's not much. So spot on for his decision making, spot off for the.

I don't know how you, I mean, I just don't know how, listen, I know what he did. I saw it. But I don't know how you go, oh, the smartest thing for me to do here is drive 170 miles an hour into that concrete barrier over there. Like, I don't, how do you, Carson, how does that even go through your mind? Well, I've had it twice so far this year. Cota, I had no brakes. The brake canister or whatever, like flipped out, fell off. So I had no brakes, no fluid left at all.

So heading down, was it 11? Like, you go through the S's go uphill. He has downhill to the airplane. down the hill in the airpin. So I had nothing. I didn't think about turning into a concrete wall or anything, but like the only thing I thought of was like, I don't want to head on. So I just started clutching and like banging gears.

So I banged third. I bang second. Like I just started hitting the clutch and like shifting. It broke the rear axle, broke the rear end out of it. But it spun me out. And I just kept spinning and landed in the con, or landed in the gravel, which saved a truck. like Justin Mark said it in our truck and hit head on and doortops down basically killed it the whole chassis of it and that's all I thought of in that moment and then obviously gateway like

once the brake rotor fell luckily it kind of spun me into the wall but I didn't ever plan on turning left like I've always like you almost once you see one big hit you're like man if that ever happens you got to like just train your mind like I've always thought about like straight straight like don't turn left at Pocono if you break like oh no no don't Don't do that. You're just going to hit a ramp. Yeah. Just hook right and just no days over anyways. I thought it was cool on a broadcast how they talked about the Jimmy Johnson one from years ago, Watkins Glen. And then he jumped the sandpit. But what he landed in was a huge tire barrier.

And clearly he took a massive hit, but he got out and walked away. They didn't have that there. Like if he had gone straight and jumped the sand pit or whatever, like he was going to be in a world of mess. So huge heads up played by Chandler. I did ask the question and nobody told me maybe you know Carson when we saw the explosion and what appeared to be brake rotor parts going all over the racetrack

why do you lose all breaks at that point? Why didn't he have three breaks that were working to slow him down? How does that work? Yeah. Well, it's like, I think it's the, when that thing explodes,

it loses, I mean, all the fluids coming out. Yeah. Well, plus two, the left front, like that canister's right there. So it probably popped it. Pop the canister, popped the line. And I mean, plus two, it's like blowing a tire, you know, like, why can't you turn left?

You have three other tires. Once you get that fluid hot, too, it's over. It's not. That's hard. Like, you're watching and you're like, man, he's got a problem. And then you see boom, and you're like, well, now he's got a bigger problem. But you can't conceptually see that he's running a hundred seven. Like, I had a little break at Gateway left.

Like, when I was, like, trying to roll down pit road. Like, I had break enough to, like, stop. But, like, it's just long, like, super long. Right, right. It does something when you're at like six mile an hour. Yeah, it's not going to do it when you're doing 150 into the corner. Final topic. Spot on, spot off.

High tire wear and a low number of cautions opens the door for strategy to dictate the cup race at Richmond. Brett. Listen, we're here for it. I mean, we want high tire wear. We want high horsepower. We want the cars to be able to be racier than what they've been. So I thought it was pretty cool that we had a Richmondware strategy. played out. Listen, but we also saw a lot of guys screw themselves. You know, me, we talked about

that earlier. Tyler Reddick, this guy is one of the best race car drivers in my mind in all of NASCAR right now. I truly think his talent level is that high. But for whatever reason, he and that team, man, they just can't have a mistake-free racing and go out there and get max points and have a chance to win some more races. Obviously, they got to win at Kota early in the year. But that's a team that I really think should be winning three to five races a year with the talent that Tyler has. He misses Pit Road, runs over the box. Now he's got a pass through. Brad Caszowski, you know, stage win, running up front, obviously having a great day with Bush or winning the race, but Brad Casowski goes in there and screws up. These guys, it just shows you, and this is a phenomenal

part of being a race fan right now, it shows you how hard they're trying because I came up in the 90s and the 2000s where they'd go out there and ride around it, 80, 90 percent, save their equipment, try to keep track position, that last fuel run. It was balls to the wall. Now it's balls to the wall the whole race. So I thought Richmond was a great race. We had a lot of strategy play out. You know, obviously not a lot of natural cautions,

but that doesn't mean it's a bad race. I'm spot on for it. I thought it was interesting to see the play of the 19 and them were making, whether it was going to work out or not. And, you know, we don't have to have a lot of cautious to have a good race. And those guys were on edge. I mean, you know, the other thing, you know, you had guys running all the way to the fence.

So, I mean, I don't know how you, I don't know how you get it to be any, you know, any better than that. It's okay to have a, in the pace. Like, these guys were having, I don't think the race fans are people in that poll right there that you just show me, know how hard these guys are driving to hit their marks. Like the way that, that, Bisher was and Brad was, and even Kyle on them up front, like making yourself get to that pain. It's a technique and it's hard to do there. there's not many guys that actually figure it out at Richmond and you've seen it you've spotted races there how many guys really figure out how to drive Richmond not many yeah and watching those guys manage that forward bite off of four man that's that's that's so fun and that entry into one to get to

the bottom i mean gluck's pole 55% said it was a good race 45% said it's not carson was a good race you were there i'm spot on but i have two things i would number one i want to see i'm curious what resin would do to the racetrack. I think resin makes Nashville a really, really good racetrack. And I like having how the rubber gets added. Like, I feel like the resin adds a lot of rubber to the racetrack. Like Richmond, it doesn't seem like it ever really rubbers up. I don't, I didn't really see a lot of rubber. I'm generally curious what that would do personally, just because I know how important the paint is, but with dirty air, like I'd like to be able to move around. Like, we in the trucks can move around a little bit and you could run side by side. So if I had a little bit more rubber, if you had to

chase the rubber a little bit, you could, the paint's still going to be the fastest because it's the shortest and you have the grip on there. Right. But it allows a little bit of move around. I think it ruins it. I do. Really? I mean, I saw the 23 and maybe Priest race side by side for like six laps. But Priest was able to clear him on the bottom. But man, he had to be so disciplined to do it. And I think, like what you said about the trucks, if you put resin down, I think everybody just runs up and then you're never going to be able to use the bottom to pass because it was close already. Yeah. Well, the only thing I look at, right, the resin, we put down rubber, but then we pick it back up. So then it almost resets. Like in the truck race, even in Xfinity,

like, Expedity I thought was the most fun that weekend. For me, I had a lot of fun at Nashville because, like, you ran the bottom for a while, then you'd move up and then you try to go higher. And then you're like, you're always chasing the grip. And Nashville truck, it was the same way. Like every restart, you'd almost like have a fresh track. It was like racing dirt. But I think you get a lot of, I think you have a lot more cautions in the Xini race and the, in the truck race too, to pick stuff up because how many times we slowed down

yesterday? Three, four? Yeah. I mean, what was it? How many, was there any, there's only like three or four cautions at most? I think it was the two stage cautions. So you're talking average of a hundred laps, a run. That's a long time.

One at the very end. The caution at the end was. a surprise. And I don't know what happened. I never really saw. I saw it. When Noah, I mean, Noah took Suarez out. Was he mad? No, he just had tires and he was just trying to get all he could. Yeah, I got you. He was back in Chicago. I missed the corner. How much endurance does that require for spotters? Yeah, pretty bad. Well, for spotters and drivers, more of just like you have to be on for those long green flag runs without really any Brainser race. No. Only Hirschman because he brings his own. You can't see over the fence if you got a chair

You don't have like a stool Like a high stool or anything? No, I don't really work And you're in such a hurt I mean you can't carry all that But I don't mean it's definitely The drivers Do they're and I know people don't think about

Like they're working their asses off man At Richmond like that to be that precise And it's that hot too And it's hot and the car's not handling good Like we were so loose in Brad was having a really hard time Because we get that left front of the paint And it just swing the background

And we couldn't like our left front's to paint and our left rear is a foot off of it. But here comes, you know, like Chris could get to it and stay both left sides right on it and it was really, really good. So, but to see these guys go in there and I, I mean, I could actually see them yawed out like whenever they go into the corner. And man, they're, they're working, man.

And that pace with as hot as it was was slowing down. And so you got to mentally tell, I mean, he, he knows. You got to, you got to mentally challenge yourself like, okay, I got to slow down to go. faster right here that richmond's a big place for that in my opinion you know how much does that cool suit help you just a little bit um i don't think like it doesn't make you ice cool it just helps you it helps you from overheating yeah like basically it just it gets you you get hot right you get warm but it helps you never get that hot you know never it just keeps you from getting

to a certain point of just overheating do you still run with it the cool box to help get more oxygen to the helmet versus I run it in a Xfendi car I don't have it in the truck I just have I just have a cool suit yeah

honestly I never had I just had a helmet blower originally but when I broke my ankle I couldn't even I couldn't work out I couldn't I wasn't even walking so I was

so wore out they're like yeah we're gonna buy you one yeah you're no question that's what spotters need is that cool suit that'll fix a lot of problem

he won't give us shade I mean they're sitting these f***ing drivers these days they're sitting in the car they're sitting first of all they're coming They're in a mold-fitted seat to their body. They got shade with a roof over their head.

Now they got a cool suit. Like any minute, they're going to have some chick riding with them fanning them in there. Don't most of the seats still have cutouts in them and stuff for air? Yeah. Or they stop doing that as much. The Xfinny car, Xfinney car, I've never had this many blowers in my car. Feet blower, back blower, helmet blower, cool suit. Spotter blowers.

Probably shouldn't say that. That's not a great. Oh, God. There's your title for the show. Not dialing to show that. Spotter boys. I mean, great. That's what you said, Brett.

Great show. You know, people also really struggle with this narrow courage pit road. I mean, it's terrible, isn't it? I know. I know. Take us through what happened there with Brad's pit stop and almost not making it in there. What happened there? I don't know.

I gave him the five away and I start looking around at like other things for caution on the track and stuff like that. And I look in there, we're kind of pointed at a different angle. angle and it costs us like three seconds maybe just a couple of ways I mean it cost you a chance to win the race because you don't know what's going to happen on that last restart if you're still up there that's true but I mean I don't I don't think we were going to beat Chris Chris's car was better at that point but it definitely took us out of a late race restart position we got behind and got to you know we were racing for fourth fifth six somewhere in that area at that point but um yeah that didn't what do you think that wind does for Chris Busher and rousewindway kislauski racing well a lot

win in the playoffs. Yeah. Yeah. But what do you truly, what does it do for the culture right now? I mean, it's been a hot minute. It's two years in a row now that, you know,

and there's been three races this year where one, you know, something falls a different way for us. Both Atlanta races, you know, we were leading the first one. We make one other move. We could, that's a possible win.

I felt like we were, Daytona 500 was we were in, led to most laps that race. second Atlanta. There was another race where we were really fat. A couple races we were really fast to this year. And I don't know. I mean, you can see the change in the place.

I think we talked about it a week or two ago a lot. But man, it's slowly changing. And I think this just validates that even more. That the place is becoming more competitive every week. People are seeing our cars in the top five and top 10. I think this is three straight top tens or so for Brad. and to lead, I mean, I don't know what we led yesterday, let over 100 laps probably, to drive around the cars that we did.

I mean, opens eyes. Like, I mean, we laughed to Hendrick cars, you know, and that's not very often. Hendrick cars, yeah, Hendrik cars, they were struggling yesterday. But still, though, I mean, you're laughing. I get it. And people are like, you know, I have one spotter come up to me and goes, how did you guys get the lead? And I'm like, we drove up there?

Because we're fast. Yeah. He's like, oh, okay. And I'm like. Which spotter was that? It was Josh. Oh, that makes sense. He was on a different cycle and he was catching us trying to get his lap back and he had about 10 lap better tires.

And he was like, I think it just surprised them that, you know, we were leading the race. But, you know, I think it's, it's huge for, it's just more momentum, man, more momentum. Who's your spotter? Tyler Green. Tyler Green, yeah. He's good dude. Herm, obviously, spots for Bush. I hope he enjoyed the crown of ginger last night because I'm sure he did.

That's a big win. He's probably still sleeping. As Tyler Green about that time, I took him out in Vegas. All right. Does Chris and Brad drive similar? Like, do they drive the same? Like, do they like the same stuff? They always run next to each other, it seems like.

I've noticed TV say that. I think, I think Chris has learned a lot from Brad, too, though. But I think, you know, I think Chris is getting a chance to show his talent a lot more, too. They do drive. I think they drive similar because in the meetings is tough. They have a lot of the same, you know, talk. about things and, you know, traits and characteristics and, but I think they have a similar driving style. And I think that helps a lot because, like you were saying, though, a lot of times

you'll see one car run good at a company and the next car is 15 spots behind them. Like, our cars do, they tend to both perform, you know, run the same. You know, if Chris is good, Brad's usually good too, you know. I think Chris is a guy too. You talked about it earlier, Carson. He's got that Matt Kinseth persona to me. Like he's not a big personality. You know, he's pretty quiet in the media. You don't hear a lot out of him. Obviously, Matt Kinseth won a ton of races, but he races like Matt. He doesn't tear up a lot of stuff. He doesn't put himself in a lot of bad positions. He's got to go out here and do what he did yesterday and win if he wants to stick around here in a top level right. Watching him behind us and when we were leading the race and

I was telling Brad every move that Chris was trying to make because Brad was leaving. a couple feet on the bottom on exit of four and Chris was using that air in the paint right there. So I tell Brad, Brad takes it away. Next thing, you know, Chris is trying a little bit higher entry to one and getting to the bottom a little bit later. So I'm like, Brad, you got a record corner a little bit more. You'll put him in some dirty air earlier and he'll have a hard time turn to the bottom. And but I see these little things that he's trying and it's like, damn, dude, quit.

I just want to lead and get away from you. You stop doing this. Yeah. Yeah. But it was, it's cool because you see him doing that stuff. And he's a very, he's a very. He's quietly a very, um, Matt Kenseth, talented race car driver. I find it interesting too that like, you know, like you said, Carson, like the RFK cars

are running up front. Then it was also the 2311 cars. It was like their day as well. So it seemed like it was like a team oriented race. Yeah, like a lot of times, I mean, a lot of times, I don't know if you see both like, um, track house cars kind of separate sometimes, but our cars do seem to be start together quite a bit. Yeah.

Which I think is good. That shows the, you know, I mean, I walked through the shop there. Literally this car 17's here and the 6th is right here and the plates together. I mean, they're right there working with each other and stuff. All right, listen up. I know this is important. A lot of big sporting moments are coming up, a lot of big tailgates. College football is on the way.

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Let's move on to the DBCA Main, where we talk about all things dirt racing. Hey, hang on one second. Hey, Stella. What? I'm working. Can I call you back? I saw my contendal switch. Oh, that's really good.

Thank you. I'll give you a piece of chocolate when I get home, okay? Okay, too. Oh, too. Okay, love you. We too. Bye. Bye.

She's got it tough. What did she find? So, they went to Disney a handful of months ago, and ever since then with Disney, they couldn't find her Nintendo Switch. And switches are expensive. Yeah. And I have not been happy since. So this is like, this is a good day.

She found it. Yeah. And she gets chocolate now. I'll tell you really quick, the worst thing that I did, she's going to turn six on Wednesday. The worst thing that I did is teach her how to use the browser on her. I've had the talk to text because she doesn't know how to spell everything. Right. So she'll be like searching.

She hits the little thing and goes, you know, pool toys. Oh, Barbie dolls with long hair. And like she gets, oh, dad, then I get stupid me taught her how to send me that link. So I get links all the time. But listening to her word things is scary sometimes because she'll be like, hey, you know, I want toys for love. And I'll be, no, no, we're not searching that. Give me that iPad. Let me see your iPad.

Well, if she has your shopping addiction because T.J. buys everything. He owns every gadget and own to my end. Mostly sim racing stuff and things like that. You definitely need to filter her search. Are you a Facebook marketplace guy or you just buy everything? I had bought one thing on Facebook marketplace. Really? I bought a set of pedals, but it was a good deal.

How was that experience? It was fine. Yeah? He just tells me that way in here, he's getting ready to buy a new car. Like, this guy buys everything. Someone threw up in it? No, that would probably do it if he did that. But he probably has, he's a sim racer.

He probably has a lot of stuff, too. I have a lot. See? TJ, what pedals you got? Well, that's funny that you say that. Do you know what I have? No, don't. I just those some of the ones I bought off the marketplace.

So I have like That's not what kind That's where you got out I mean I have like four different pedals That's in my house I have Simtrak's Houstonfelds I have

Fan attacks or whatever you want to I have too much I have Where were we We're Bcc A main We're going to the A main Lead into that nice and clean One more time

Carson do you race dirt He does Yeah You do Any time I can get in one really I go to Adora Nothing like going to the biggest And most famous

One of the most famous dirt tracks in America. Try to make the biggest late mile race. We weren't bad, actually. We ran sixth in our prelim night in the feature, and we're 27th overall in points, and there are 92 cars. I mean,

I've only ran a dirt lane mile four times, so that's all new world to me. Did they turn on the freaking fire down the backstretch when you were there? Oh, yeah. I'm gonna tell you, I've had the luxury of going to Eldor three times. The atmosphere there is phenomenal.

It's as good as any racetrack anywhere in this country. The question is, how many times did they turn it on? They do it every feature. Yes. And there's double feature every night. So it was just nonstop. And then there's the qualifier. Then there's a last chance.

And they just crank it up. The guy that works that deal has a great time because he's just nonstop just hitting that button. Oh, man. I love it. That would be kind of fun, the fireworks guy. That'd be pretty neat. Yeah.

It would be a good job. Just nonstop trying to figure out different ways to blow stuff up. You know what I mean? Do you think they have like some sort of permanent thing in the ground back there where like a dude just be as, oh, you want, oh, fire. flips the switch and it's like, I wouldn't trust myself with that switch. But I would trust myself more than I would trust Clint Boyer with that switch. Oh, I'd never trust Clint with that. They're in.

No way. You ever seen those videos where like it accidentally like instead of like going in the line, right? Like it just all of them go off. Yeah. That would be kind of cool. Yeah, it's awesome. You ever throw more than I'm going to stop. Were there any good dirt races this weekend on TV?

I didn't watch it. Yeah, there was some good dirt races. A guy, a buddy of mine flipped out of the park at Williams Grove. Yeah, it was Williams Grove, I think. It's a cool racetrack. Yeah, another guy gave him a right reartrain to the front stretch, and he ended up next to a tree outside of turn one. So, good job.

Carson, you know, we hear drivers like Kyle Larson, I guess when Christopher Bell did race dirt, that it helps them on the NASCAR side. Would you say that you pick things up when you race dirt? I think so. I think the dirt late amount helps me a lot. It took me a little bit to learn that you lift down the straightaway and then you're more in throttle in the corner. Like that took me a little bit in the dirt late model to figure out.

And it ultimately helped me. Like we ran Kansas last year. And I wasn't very good at running the fence in a stock car. I ran Eldora the first time ever in a dirt late model. We went to Eldora Thursday, that Thursday night. And then I flew to Kansas. And I thought I was like, it was pretty crazy that you could like, it was a perfect storm to like reassure that their investment

and a dirt layman was a good investment because I was like, man, it helped me a lot to Kansas. Like I was like, I would probably tell you this anyway. I would probably tell you this because I want to run the dirt car more that it was good. But like it genuinely I thought helped me just kind of understand you don't need to go super fast into the corner. Like you actually can back it up and then just make all your speed from like the one third mark all the way through. I'll tell you what I see with it too is I watched. at Richmond, I watched the first guys that look around for grip. And you know you can find grip at Richmond, like low on the exit of four. And so I watched, you know, you watch Briscoe in practice.

He busted off a couple laps in practice. And he was going in way high, stopping, and then turning down. He was almost like, like he was coming to pit road off a turn two, finding grip. And he was doing the same thing out of four. But those are techniques like that the guys and dirt do to get to the grip. You know, they get up and they get real low, like half these times when they come off turn two. The outlaws, like, watching Larson them run. They look like they're against the inside wall, but they're flying too because they're in the

grip. And I think, I do think that translates. Like, you remember Larson? One thing that stands out to me is Larson leaving turn four at North Wilkesboro. He was, like, way lower than everybody else off of four. And it's because he's down there getting grip. and then everybody started doing it. So I think dirt teaches things like that as well.

You're nonstop moving around. I even tried that, the test. I ran his line off too. At Wilkesboro? Yeah, that was my favorite race because you were nonstop moving around, trying to find different lines. And I tried what he was doing. And you remember how he would be super slow and then turn down and get on the new

concrete or new ashfall, whatever it is, and turn two and like run and run through the dirt. Well, I tried that and it broke the nose. So I'm like, oh, you can't do that. and he did it, I did it a little further around the corner. He did it like, and it was so dirty. It was so new. Like, it never would have worked.

But when everybody cleaned it off, it was, when I saw him do it, I'm like, damn it, I had that idea. And I thought I already wrote it off. They're like, now I'm like scratching it off. Like, Danny, I mean, they all like, they saw Larsen do it. And here comes, like, Bell and Danny started doing it. And I had to tell Brad, at one point that, look, man, I mean, these guys are finding grip, another lane lower.

I know you're going to hit your head on the headrest when you hit it, but I mean, they're doing it. They're doing it. It was pretty funny yesterday. Larson caught Denny at one point. And when I'm telling you, he knocked him out of the way. They showed Denny's in-car, and Denny's clearly focused on what he's doing. And when he gets hit, you almost see his body jump. Like, somebody jumped out from the corner and said, boo.

Like, he was not expecting that hard of a contact. Now, did he lose his composure to do something stupid? No. But he literally jumped inside of the race car reacting to Kyle knocking him out of the way. Larson keyed up right when I said never touched him. Never touched him. He definitely touched him. You all talked about testing. Any insight going into this Richmond test that's happening this week?

I'd own these cup cars. I'm quietly excited to see, you know, how it is. I will tell you this, though. The air was pretty bad at Richmond, but it wasn't, I mean, it wasn't, I feel like it was better than Martinsville because you have lanes. You could move up and run that little bit of higher entry. And if you, it's such a technique there to run the bottom that people slip up and leave you that little bit of air, right?

And then once they get in within a couple car lengths, they can roll that lane higher and then turn down. You're just kind of, you're kind of in trouble at that point. But this, from what I've read and heard about this package, I guess it's like a hundred count more down force for the car behind or something like that. Yeah, that's what they're hoping for. Yeah, so I guess it's supposed to be a pretty big difference. So I hope it's good.

Yeah. You know, hey, they're trying, right? which is all we can ask for. So keep, keep, you know, working on it, making it better. I think the, uh, the 100 pounds gained of downforce was something that they already discovered before this Richmond test, that they were like doing wind tunnel testing. And like that was something that has already been discovered. So. But now they're going to try it.

But yeah, yeah. I mean, it's different between the wind tunnel and the real track. That's true. I don't know if you know that or not, but I do. Yeah. Just checking. This kid also put diesel in a gasoline-powered car, so just, you know. You did that?

Oh, yeah, you did that. Yeah, I did that. Oh, my God. Wait, but wait, did you do the reverse? What do you mean? What? Wait, did you put regular gas in a diesel car? Or you put diesel in...

This is a meeting of the fucking minds right here, let me tell you. I put regular gas in a diesel truck. Oh, you guys are like opposite. I put diesel in a regular... Hold on. How do you do that? If you have a diesel truck that you're like... Show us how'd you do it?

Go ahead. Show us your hand movements. No, I'm not going to show you the hand movement. I didn't know. This was years and years ago. Like, I just got my license and I didn't know the difference. And I just, like, held it in even though it didn't fit. Wow.

That's what she said. Yeah, I know. So, wait. If it doesn't fit, there's a probably a sign you shouldn't be there. You had no diesel vehicle at all. No. No. So you just randomly grab the diesel one?

Yeah. You're a lot of stupid. There's a joke that I want to say right now, but it's definitely not. it more. My excuse from it is I used my mom's Tahoe for a while. I had my truck. I never was close to messing up. Well, I had my mom's Tahoe and I brought it. I had to bring something down for her and then bring something back. So I came down to North Carolina. It's not diesel. It's not diesel. It's identical like interior and everything. And she needs 93 premium. So I'm like, oh, don't mess. Mom's car up. So I drove 14 hours, you know, Michigan, North Carolina,

to spend some days in North Carolina, I drove back. Flew down first second, first time my truck needs fuel. And I'm like, 93, like, there's not a, the one pump I go to doesn't have diesel. 93, pull out, got like on the exit ramp. I'm like, all right. You didn't go far. I'm on the phone, Mom, and I'm like, yeah, this and that. And I'm like, where are you at, mom?

She's like, I'm in a truck. I'm in the car. I'm like, I threw it in neutral. and it just started to like lock up and uh got me for 1,600 bucks cleaning that thing out. But that's a lot. They said if, can't just drain the fuel and change part plugs? Well, they got to change the filter. They got to change labor.

They got to do everything. So that's all. It probably took them all day to do it too. Oh yeah. It took them two days. Thanks. Oh, let it drain out. They said, uh, they said if it went through the system, it would have been 16 grand.

So. Damn. So that would have been. Man, that'd have been like Carvana. Come get it. This runs great. Wow. So luckily, I'm like, okay.

And luckily, the worst part was it wasn't even my, it's not even like really my truck. I'm on a, you know, I can actually probably excuse yours a little easier than him because. Yeah. That doesn't fit. Like it doesn't fit. Like I said, I was very new to getting my license. Oh, yeah. I didn't even realize that part.

So you had to like, you struggled. That's what I'm saying. Like, how did you even get it in there? Here's the only thing that is confusing. Stand up and show me how you did it. No, I'm not going to show you. This could be the only thing. And then, well, this is getting off topic.

But in Illinois, like, some regular gas pumps are green. So, like, I had used regular normal gas pumps that were just straight up green. No, but you got to click the thing. No, right? Did you not read? It says diesel. I know. Yeah.

Not color-coded. Like, so I'm not, I'm not that. Here's from Illinois. I don't care about that. I just wonder, like, did you not, like, be like, oh, yeah. Hey, this, this isn't fitting. What's wrong? You're not like, oh, let me read what I'm putting in here and maybe.

No, you just kept on digging. Yeah. You know, committed to the- How much was the bill? Luckily, it was within warranty of us buying the car, so they warranted. Oh, that's right. Yeah. They warranty stupidity?

Yeah. Wow. You think Jason Schultz still bills the company for the prime parking? I bet he does. VVIP. Yeah. Our old producer, he used to go to the airport. just parking the hourly for like four days and then turn the bill in.

Uh, all right, let's move on to reaction theater, shall we? Yes. I swear Martin Truex Jr. is the crying as race car driver in NASCAR. All he does is all race long. Want to know why are we doing this? Why are we doing that? Oh, we're screwed right here. Oh, we're in big trouble here.

Dude, you were running outside the top 20 and you ended up finishing and seven. Have some damn patience and let the race work itself out. Not steady pushed the button on the damn stern wheel and cry every five laps. That's a big true X-Man. What'd Martin do to him?

Well, Martin, last member of the first Richmond race, they pitted, they were on the other side of the strategy and they ran out of tires at the end. Remember they put them used tires on, didn't tell him at the end, and he was like, this thing had no grip. And they're like, oh, the crew chief's like, yeah, they were scuff.

or something. So, oh, why didn't you tell me? They definitely didn't need to suspend or get rid of Paul Tracy in the SRX series. I'll tell you what, he should have a spotter, and he should be the only one of the spotter. His fucking mirrors must not work or something. He races like an idiot. Yeah, so the mirrors, they only have a, they have two mirrors and that thing. It's the little side mirror, which is probably also the smallest side mirror that you can have. Brad told me you can't see out of them cars at all.

And most of them guys... Paul can't even see out of the front of them. Well, yeah. And that's been an issue for like three years now. So how many years is he going on? So is he ultimately suspended? Like, gone, gone? He's gone for a lot.

Definitely. Yeah. They didn't give a time range on when he... I mean, Schrader was pissed. Yeah. Did you see Schrader? When Kenny Schrader's mad, something's wrong because that guy is like the most easy-going guy, a racer and understands everything.

He didn't like hitting that inside wall. wall. And it was clearly avoidable. I was just to say they got the perfect time to do it, though, to have Johnny Benson at Berlin. Yeah, I know. And Johnny runs, like, those cars up there with, like, a wing the size of this brick wall. Super mods. Yeah. But don't they have those big wall on them?

I thought he ran those cars, too, like those late miles with the, are he, like. How old is Johnny Benson? I got to look that up while y'all. 104? Oh, the outlaw late malls. Yeah. Didn't he run them too? They, that's only, like, once.

I've seen him run that super. So he used to have the outlaw late mall I grew up racing was actually hit. So when he was getting out of that, that's the outlaw, late mile I ran. He's born in 63. What's that put him? 60. 60? Yeah.

Yeah. Wow. Yeah. It'd be cool to have it back, man. I remember him. He's super nice guy. Always was to me, man. Him driving a charios car?

That was fun. I remember it wasn't, but a couple months ago or so, three months ago that I turned, I was watching some race on. something and he was in it. They were maybe, it might have been a track in Ohio with Super Modifies or something. He was running like second or third. Might have been Generous Town maybe.

Something like that, but he was competitive still, so good for him. He'll be good. He'll be good at Berlin. This is your weekly Blaney fan update. We are currently drinking beers in the bathtub. But we'll get on next week. Go quiz.

Okay. I'm a little concerned about. That sounds like you. I'm not going to lie. How bad did Blaney run this week? He was not good. Where did he end up? He's not as bad as Cendrick.

Who is we are drinking beer in a bathtub? That's the concern. How big is this bathtub? Did he say we? He said we are drinking beer. Yeah. But, I mean, most bathtubs aren't big enough for we. You know?

I mean, take Carsonosa right here. Guys 6 foot 8 over here beside me. Do you want to be in a bathtub drink a beer with him right now? I'm not getting in a bathtub with him. I'm not getting a bathtub with anybody right now. My legs stick out anyways. Oh, I bet they do. Dude, if you put the...

I can't take a bath. I take a bath in the pool. It's the only way I fit. I hate people's feet on me, and I bet your toes are, like, really long because you're so damn tall. If your toes touch me, I would vomit. I hate feet.

I hate even pretty girl's feet. Not a feet guy. You hate your own feet? Yes, I do. I don't like my feet either. You're telling me. I got to stop. No, no, no.

No, I mean, the hottest girl, no. to me. Don't touch me with your feet. You're not touching her feet. No, don't touch me with your feet. Why, what's wrong with her feet? I don't, I don't.

Are you, are you able to go to the beach? Yeah, but I don't sit there and play footsies. Yeah, but I mean, do you, do you notice other people's feet when you're sitting there and stuff? I don't like, look. I'm not like, footophobia, but. It ain't really the feet as much as the toes. Like, do you make sure not to look down, though?

Like, are you, like, are you, like, actively avoiding looking at people's feet. It's the toes I have a problem with. Well, what's the toe? Like, like, the toe nails, though. Get your feet off. He's got shoes on, thank God. Blaney finished 14. Oh, that's not bad.

We need to be in the bathtub, he said. Maybe it's like a celebratory. Maybe it's like, he's like happy about it. He didn't sound very happy. Dad's the- about to buy a fake foot on Amazon and put it under the table. We're here and touch it on Brett.

Is that I'm letting hot? No, you just got to cut the toe out. Like you just got to cut toes. I think I found the podcast title. We drinking beer in the bathtub. Yeah. That is concerning. Yeah. Good for him.

Why are we at Richmond in July? Why? It's hot. It's hot everywhere. It's why in Richmond, Virginia, in July. There's plenty of tracks. Holy heck, NASCAR. Come on, Ben Kennedy.

That's fixed to schedule. What's wrong with a hot race? I just hate it for the fans. It is. I mean, it was... I mean, it's 100 degrees. Heat in decks probably over 100. I think it's a better race during the day than it is at night

but I just hate it for the fans I mean we talked about last year at Atlanta man we were all there just dying But that's no different than going to a football game That's no different than going to a baseball game Yeah but the football games are always Yeah football games starting to fall Yeah

I mean college starts in the summer September but they're night games man They'll be 730 kickoff in Charlotte right here I promise you there's more day games than night games In college football it is don't televise them In the south I don't know about that Well, they don't televise them probably because the stands aren't full. Or they're just small.

Well, I was in New Mexico last week. It was 107. It was hot. It's hot everywhere. I will tell you this. We go and run Richmond later in the fall. You're going to be like, well, we run Richmond in the falls. It's raining all the time.

Oh, I missed the race because it ran it on Monday. We need to run this in the summer. Okay. That word's like Martinsville where they're all complaining. Now they wanted a day race because there's too much grip, you know. You're named if you do, damned if you don't. Yeah, there's no. It definitely was a little.

like I've never been outside the racetrack and I was walking around. I never noticed how many people like the stands would be full if everybody's in the stands. But they're all like they were hundreds and hundreds of people just under the stands. You know, listen to the scanner. I think you know going into it. You know, you know if you're going to a race during the day. It's going to be hot. Luckily, you know, the race didn't go green until like 3.30, 340 something.

So you're kind of past the hottest part of the day anyway. So I don't know. I also don't mind it because if it does rain, that track dries quick. You know, and in the fall, when you get that rain and it's cold, that thing takes forever to dry. I've been watching this sport and I've devoured every freaking episode on Builder to Download for the last three or four years. I still don't understand what the point system is. So that's the problem with NASCAR. When you watch football, they score touchdown, they get six points, they get the extra point, they get a field goal, get three points.

Basketball, same thing. Three-pointed or three-pointers, a two-pointer, three-throw is a one-pointer. Soccer, hockey, one point. Don't even know those games. I know it's one point. Carson and I were talking about before the show, like it is hard to keep up with the points and knowing who's where, and I don't know how we simplify it. Like, I think that the point system is probably really good right now, but it is confusing if you don't really understand. it and it's it's a lot to understand i mean i don't understand a lot of the like you get you understand

the point system but that's the game you understand okay stage stage like i don't understand the playoffs i don't understand like any other sport like it's it's it's confusing if you're not like a hardcore fan but like at the same time like the regular season i feel like it's the easiest part you win you're in like you're high enough in points like you're in i feel like that part's simple just like how many points you get and like trying to keep up once you're to the playoffs of like your playoff bonuses and what all the bonuses and where everything is like that that part's confusing yeah yeah i mean everything's weighted you know more now than it ever has been and wins are super important playoff points are really important you have banked and i was in i've been in this position a few times a handful

times in the cup straights we've banked a lot of playoff points going in to the playoffs and man does it make it a lot easier. But you race your ass off in the beginning of the year and fight like heck to get those. And that's why people race so hard. That's why they, you know, that's why you don't have, you know, me, me and Brett were around whenever a guy had a 200 point lead. And I'm going to go and tell you, it's not, not nearly as exciting when a guy has a 200 point lead. And he's just, he honestly runs at about a 7 out of 10 at that point too. And because everyone else has to try a lot hard and he just cruises along. Things are, it's built

this way for the race fan to be exciting, exciting. Pressure packed. I remember when I was a kid, I always hated when a driver get out and say it's a good point today or like, oh, you know, I wanted to do this or we wanted to get aggressive, but we needed to get the points or needed to do this. And it was like,

that's boring. Like, why wouldn't you like try to win the, like, six year old me doesn't understand points? I'm like, why wouldn't you win the race? What were you born? 2003. About when I first started spotting. I don't even care Carson Hover Hovervar

Yeah Hosevar is a bitch Baby back See you next Tuesday He ain't worth a damn I wish I could punch him in the Jesus Wow

That was aggressive I'm laughing my ass on You must know him No He said he'll see it You're a PR guy Is that he called him? He said I'll see you next Tuesday

See next Tuesday Who do you see tomorrow? Where am I going Tuesday? I don't know. You tell me. Was that Al Nis? It's probably someone that works at NASCAR, to be honest. Oh, boy.

That was a funny one. That's it. I mean, that's all we got. Best what we got. Yeah. That sounds like somebody that you would know. Well, I don't think so. That guy had a lot of hating his heart.

Well, I know, you know what might cancel that out is he didn't have, I mean, hope, ho. Yeah, it took him with people. him a minute. He was drinking beer in his bathtub. Maybe the same guy. I just laughed that he like, he missed it, got it right, and then it was like, oh, way, I got it right. Not F that guy.

I'm going to get it wrong again. Awesome. Those were, we had some good ones this week. Make sure you call in to reaction theater at 704, 802 9572. Just save it to your phone. You know what you need to do is take those last four digits and just come up with

the word that you can make out of those letters. Yeah. Yes. So we can stop saying that. Bath. Yeah. Yeah. What if it was bad?

704. 802. Easy. Nobody caught more on this show for reaction to it than T.J. did when he was spotted for Lugano. It was every week. It was five calls a week and all five calls would be bashing T.J. Well, there's probably like 30 calls, but they only played five.

So it was not, you know. How often do you get a Blaney update from that guy? This is the second week in a row. The second week in a row. I was the first week. First week he's like, pray for us, Blaney fans. Do you have it? Andrew would have it.

I probably have it. It essentially was a beautiful part. It's actually pretty good. He's like, we're sad. I really hope he continues. Hey, yeah, yeah. I'm going to tell you, better help.com to that guy. You know, that was one of our reads there.

So better help for your Blaney. I mean, maybe he doesn't need help. Apparently, he's got somebody in the hot tub or in his bathtub with. Hey, speaking of Blaney, Dave Blaney ran third last night in a world of outlaw race. Wow. In Weedsport, New York. That's pretty good. Yeah.

Track was all slick, and he was just running around to bomb. It's awesome. Well, let's move on to AskDBC. Sending your questions each week using the hashtag Ask. DBC, we'll pick the best ones. This first one is from Chelsea. Carson, when are you going to bring back the hats? I don't know.

Those are expensive. Yeah, it says especially the pimp hat. Especially the pimp hat. Well, that was an easy one. I had a cane. So the story of the cane, was, so like the joke, so I was off for like four weeks or six weeks, whatever it was. I couldn't walk.

I couldn't do anything. They were not weight bearing is what they say. But then after a while, they're like, yeah, you're going to have to work it up, build some strength, you're going to need some port. Like, you're going to have to get a cane. So I went to Walmart and went and got a cane and went up and I'm looking through the pharmacy. You went to Walmart to get a cane? I went to Walmart to get a cane because I, well, I ordered one online, but it never.

came and I'm like well I'm leaving to the race I don't like I told everybody I'm not going to have crutches crutches are a lot harder like I need a cane so I went to Walmart pharmacy got a cane so I'm in line and I'm like man I I'm looking and I'm going through the aisles and stuff and I find this like did you use it right when you picked it up I well I found this foldable cane like I'm like man this is sweet like foldable like real easy well then this you know senior citizen gets a senior she's a discount anytime she goes to a breakfast establishment grabs the same one as me. And I'm like, oh, man, come on. Like, that's not very.

So I'm like, oh, at least hopefully like, oh, maybe nobody's going to recognize. The person at the counter reckoned, it goes, oh, how are you feeling? I'm like, it's kind of weird. I'm like, yeah, I'm doing all right. And she's like, yeah, well, like, hopefully good luck this weekend. I'm like, what do you mean? I'm like, she's like, oh, like my dad's in racing and stuff. She's like, I'm a big fan.

I'm like, okay. You just checked out the senior citizen lady getting the same thing as me. So I'm like, so I'm like, I need a different cane. So I'm looking at up. I thought you were to ask her to buy it. No, I should have. For the discount. I should have.

That's what I'm saying. So anyway, so I'm like, I need it like a pim cane. So I found one with like a monkey skull on it and everything. And I'm like, oh, I'll just need it. I need to get a Pimp hat. So that's where I got the hat. But yeah, no, I, hats were getting expensive. I'm very fortunate in life that right now I get paid to put a suit on rather than pay to put a suit on.

So if I'm going to spend any of my... Yeah, define suit. Like, No-Mex or like you sell like car... You don't like the guy at the car wash trying to get people to pull in. But... Or Chick-fil-A. It's kind of rain at its course, I feel like. I'm not...

I would be way out of ideas. And after a while, like, certain point I get it... If I can... I still have my personality to express myself. I don't need to have a hat to... I would just let your trophies do the talking from here on. Well, that's what it worked out. My first win, I got a cowboy hat.

And I'm like, I'm fine just wearing Victory Lane hats. This next one coming from Mitchell Douglas. How difficult is it navigating the Truck Series playoffs with all those off weeks in between races? That's a good question. It's really tough.

Honestly, I hate that the way the schedule is formatted. It's obviously front- You say that now. Wait till you're in 38 races. I'd rather race a lot more after, at least a little bit. They obviously front-load the schedule, because of Fox, right? Like the Fox is on Cup and Xfinity. It's no brainer why they frontload our season.

But like we run, you know, two weeks at IRP and then we have a month off. Like you run your first playoff racing, you got to think about it for a month. Wow. No rhythm to get in. Like you forget about it. Like, or like people forget about it. I feel like, you know, the Xfinity and Cup is going to be not even had their start of their playoffs. And we're already one race in. But you're in a much better position in the truck. It's got to kind of be smooth sailing for it's smoother right now. It's got to be more fun. Yeah, but at the same time, like, I much rather race.

Like, I love our seven, eight weeks in a row. Like, I'd rather race. Like, especially if you, like, if we go to IRP and crash, you've got to think about it for a month. Like, you forget about it, you get out of the rhythm. But you're coming off a win, so, I mean. Yeah, we feel good. Like, luckily, I'll have an Xfinity race and two now,

but, like, that was the biggest thing. Like, we last year, we ran a race, and then we had a month off, and then we had the first race of the playoffs there. And it's like, like, you, like, I felt like I was at a disadvantage because you, you know, John Hunter or guys ran Xfinity races or whatever. They're, like, they're constantly in a rhythm of pit stops. Yeah.

Like, I don't get picked up. It's getting reps. Like, I felt like it took me, like, two or three laps to get back in a rhythm of driving. Then you're, you're a month plus off of pit road. Your pick guys are out of sync. Like, you can't get in a rhythm and momentum. You know one of the, you know what it is. Like, usually some of the best races to win are the races before.

Oh, yeah. an off weekend or something like and i've been a part of a couple of those and even when i when when covid hit i think i think we won the last race phoenix yeah i think i won phoenix with joey and then covid hit and it was like i mean not that it was a fun time but at least you had momentum you know what i mean like i wouldn't have thought of it like i didn't race in covid time like i didn't really run like i can't imagine like that was so weird well i didn't run pre-covid like all my truck races. I ran two truck races before, but all my races were like COVID, like no practice or anything. So like, I can't imagine like if you, like if you crashed out early and then all of a

sudden you're off for three months. Yeah. That's one of the things that I think hurt Haley too, because she came in and went to all these, right? Like our first lap at Darlington was lap one of the race. That was mine. Yeah. Yeah. It's tough, man. So. All right. Let's move on to one idiot. What an idiot, man. I got a couple. Who should I tee up? T. TJ. You're ready? You got any good ones, right? I got a few of these. I'm going to go first because the guy already kind of stole mine, though. But, I mean, it has to be Paul Tracy.

And actually, it has to be whoever thought bringing Paul Tracy back to start with. And I know this is the second time I've gone through this in the show. But Paul Tracy, and then he's tweeting about it or Instagramming about it. Did he? Oh, yeah. Yeah, somebody sent him a message and saying Paul Tracy shouldn't be fired. Don Hawk is an idiot. And Paul basically was like, man, I keep my circle small and all this.

But Paul, I'm sorry, man. Keep your car wide. circle small I got you know my first one so I listened to the Dale Jr. download a little bit and I hear him bring up

they're talking about the Denny and Kyle deal and when I was working with Dell Jr., we were short track racing and I you know when a guy's running you hard like a Ryan Newman or somebody when you finally get positioned on the guy when I say position on the guy

you get your right front front of his left front what do people do at short tracks? You wash up half a lot. lane because they're going wherever you go you're carrying them so i'm like you know we would race super hard and i would tell him you know i you know take what you need down here because that means he's at your door and you can kind of let's clear this guy and get away from nowhere did does take what you need ever get used at like a mile and a half where you got a guy in your door and uh and he brought that reference up he's like yeah too do you just tell me i never told him that at a michigan or a polka no

you don't take what you need there because you're probably going i mean you're going to lose the air off your off the side of your car at that point. But yeah, I mean, it's short tracks, I would say that. So I texted him about it, and he was like, oh, it was good content. I'm like, okay, wow, I got your good guy. So Dale Jr.'s your what an idiot. Yeah, well, I got another one too, so. T.J. won't just say,

yeah. I said, yeah. I said, yeah. I said, yeah. I said, it. And, um, this one's even better, though. So I'm watching this Fannie race, and I'm listening, I'm scanning around to different radios and stuff, and they have a restart, and I'm listening to Josh and I'm watching on SMT at the same time in the TV and I see Josh get runoff in turns three by the 19 and and then a couple corners later I see on SMT I see the 19 car just kind of go

off in a corner and doesn't really come back on right away so I'm like oh boy something happened there so I flip over to the 19 and I hear you know they're talking the caution come out and they're talking and the driver's like yeah you know we kind of got real close to each other in one rate they're racing hard you know and and then he's like and i ran him off in turn three and then he just he just spun me out and turn five and then the cruci is like well next time you see him he needs to be walking i want to see him walking back to the truck i'm sitting there thinking like you had the driver just admit like i just ran him off and like how does that like you you basically started the fight right there right if you run a guy off i mean how'd that work for sage at road america a handful time sage were just

getting into the middle of corner and throw it up and run guys off well finally a guy had enough of it and sent him so i don't like to me it's like okay well maybe you shouldn't have done that and this wouldn't have happened now it's nope he needs to be walking back to the truck so that group there would be my what an idiot who was it i don't know who they are i mean the driver didn't say that he was but i don't know who the crew chief was of the car how often does that happen you think like i feel like are hearing about it a lot more. Maybe I'm not the right person to ask this question, but like, it's always happened. Yeah. It's just always, I mean, Spotters. Is it just more like, just more televised now, more known? Like, is it, is it that deal of, well, that wasn't a spotter at all in that?

Is it all these, like, is it like that whole deal of like, did we have all these problems now just because we have social media or like, now, or like, it's that. Well, people have access to it. Well, you have all these problems, right? But it's, it's like, you only hear about it now because it's now a known topic. The crew chief has spent endless hours on that car to get it ready to race. So when you it's like punching his kid.

When he sees you punch his kid, he wants to punch whoever punched his kid. So I mean, the reality is we're all full of emotions and they're barking on the radio and they mean what they say when they say it. It's just the problem the problem is, well the problem is now, you know, we're starting

to suspend people when you go back to what happened with Bubba Wallace and Kyle Larson last year. Once that happened, now it's like it can't be premeditated. It can't be on purpose when it's too much, too much. So you're asking, it's always been here to answer your question. It's never been in the forefront like it is right now across the board. But nobody cared what crew chief on the 51 car said five years ago. And now they care what all of them say. Yeah. I mean, my point of thing was like, how do you just, hey, Brett, man, I know, you're my crew chief. I just ran. You know, you're my crew chief. I just ran this guy off and he come back and spun me out. Well, then you come on and be like,

well, you need to wreck him. Well, I kind of just started, did. And I didn't do it good enough. You already pushed him, pushed him off the king of the hill and he came back and drug you off. I didn't do it. You didn't do it good enough is what he should have said. You know what I mean? Yeah. Who's your one idiot, Carson? You said you got a bunch. Oh, I was just more meaning like I've won these awards. Like I can't, I don't. I've won this award. Like I was saying, like, I got a few of these. Do you do have a few of these? I do have a few of these. I don't know.

You may be the all-time leader behind. I don't know. Paul Tracy's catching you. Did you see anything in the truck race where you were just like, you know, damn that, what an idiot. I mean, there's a few, like, lapers that kind of made me upset. What was the deal between, like, Haley and Dean? Like, what was that?

Like, we really didn't crash or anything. I saw somebody. I just saw it written down. Yeah, I saw somebody tweet that Dean just did, like, 13 times two or whatever on Twitter. Like, if you leave the track right there in your first. saying you tweet out is you immediately just go you know you're just doing something like that you're not in the right mindset to get you know what i mean like you need to do other things to to get better you need to make better luck for yourself in other terms i mean which one i mean if you're

on twitter tweeting about it tweeted about i think dean did dean did look dean's in a good spot how irrelevant is dean thompson is that his name yeah i mean haley deacon makes him more relevant he's taking advantage of it. I guess. Maybe he needs it times three. I don't know. I mean, our truck race was really calm.

Like, I never really thought it. I didn't think it was too bad. We went around. I didn't see, I didn't catch all the Xenia race. I just caught the tail end. Man, I just,

watching that Road America race, it made me miss going up there so bad. I love that racetrack. It looks like a fun place. Dude, yeah, it looks that atmosphere there. We would run there. It was incredible.

I loved it. It was phenomenal. Like the only what in India, I don't even know. I mean, it's just a mistake. It's not an, idiot, but I was like, like, I was, I was, I was kind of root, like, great, he was into Toyota,

but I was kind of rooting on, um, uh, Karam. Yeah, Sage. I was, and I would, you have the lead. And I'm like, like, like, it's like in that moment, it's like, no, like how, like, why would you, like, all you got to do is just under drive the corner, like, you know, like, just, he already had him. You, you, it was over. Like, he had him. It was over. And it, but that's the situation, though, that, like, those guys, he'll learn from that now. Well, it's probably his first lap leading a race. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, he was, he was. It's, he was. It's, one to come in a one to go like you've been following you're fighting for your first win yeah you're struggling you're fighting for your first win yeah best car you've ever been in and and

nobody to follow to gauge it off of first time all week you don't have somebody to follow and they're actually chasing you I was watching a race and I truly thought Parker clingerman was in the best spot because I knew they'd all keep screwing up not cling it's clingerman and they all did keep screwing up and then he got the lead and then he screwed up and then mayor got right back by him so shout out to mayor though man big win it was a whole lap of like It was like they didn't want a race. I will say the last time Sage ran Road America, though, he had a big wreck on the straightaway.

Noah Gregson. He's came. Sage has come a long way, and especially on resorts, he didn't force anything. He took advantage. And then, I mean, I can't blame because he saw the chance at the lead in the win and just stepped over that much.

Dude, how far can you bend your fingers back? Me? Yeah. What, did you just do it? Is that really far? Dude, look at that. Please don't put that to show.

These people can't see that. That's ridiculous. Is that worse than the toes? Look. I don't bother me. It's fingers. Oh, my gosh, dude. Might go like,

dude, these are a 90-degree angle. Yeah, I didn't even know I was doing that. That's disgusting. He's an Iron Man. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That's what it is. I wonder you got that damn diesel in the gasoline.

Where were we? Picks. That's right. We're going to Michigan. Brett, congrats on your win. You picked Kyle Busch, who finished P3. Casey picked Martin Truex Jr. Freddie picked William Byron and T.J., you're up. Man, Ty let me down, man.

I don't have who I want available. So is it? You can only use one driver a week? Yeah, we use them one. during regular season, then playoffs. Four. You reset. Michigan, Indie,

Watkins Glen, Daytona, I think. That's right. Four. I like this. Yeah, I'm going to go with a... TJ's always been last. This year he's kicking our tails. No, actually, one last year is too.

Oh, you did? That's right. Thanks. I had a terrible playoff. Yeah. I'm going to go with Legano. A Ford? Yeah, man.

why? Because I ain't got a And I got I mean I got a plan It just needs to fall into play I got a big lead dude Back up I'm up

I won Yeah well Well Casey Freddie took William Byron right Yeah Who'd Casey take? She took TrueX I wrote it on the sheet

Oh wow She took TrueX Huh That's uh Yeah That leads me with Bowman Ty Gibbs Or Sores

to be in a Chevrolet or Toyota. I'm Bowman, Bowman, Bowman, Bowman. That's my guy. I almost laid up right there and picked somebody to finish last, so I'll pick first next week. That's what I was considering, but. Moved in. Who you think wins a cup race, Carson?

I was going to go to Tyler Reddick, honestly. Yeah. That was going to be my pick. I thought I remember the 23XI cars being pretty good. Can I change my pick? So I was going to guess Wallace was going to be TJ's pick. That's what I want to go to. No.

It was too late. But, sorry. Can I change the walls? I don't know how you don't pick a Toyota, but my only good Toyota left is Ty Gibbs. I don't think there is any. Can you take a vote? Yeah, I was blown away.

He didn't pick. Yeah, what are the rules on TJ wanting to change his pick? You can't change his pick. Yeah. That ain't how this works. I don't know how this works. I don't want to play that game? You ain't going to change yours anyway.

You ain't got anybody. You're really good to pick from. You're stuck. You're stuck. Once it's out in the world, then it's locked in. Irish Hills, baby, of Michigan. Are you from the upper part? as a kid.

The what? Did you go around the Iron Seals part as a kid growing up? Uh-uh. No. You were west of there, right? Uh, no,

I'm, I'm like basically. You're near Kalamazoo. Yeah, Kalamazoo. Oh, what do they call that? The U. UP, uh... U.P.

The Upers or U. U. He's not a Uper. No, Calamazoo's down there. Oh, you're not. Okay. I'm real low. I'm real low.

Okay. Yeah. I thought you said near Canada. So, are you a Detroit Lions fan? Uh, actually, I'm a Yankees fan. Yeah. a lot. Okay. So you don't follow the tigers? You don't follow any Michigan sports? I'd barely,

we suck. That's kind of what I was getting at. So I do red wings for hockey. I'm just a bandwager. When we're good, we're good. Okay. My dad's from Cleveland, so I love, blue is my favorite color. So I went lions. He went Cleveland. So me watching NFL's really easy because it's just who's last that year between the two of us. So it's just like, oh, you went 016 this year and then we went 0. 16s. So I don't really have to follow along very much, but my dad was on the Derek Jeter foundation for a little bit, just being from there new Derek's dad. So I went to more Yankee games than I did to Tigers. So Yankees were easy and he loved the tigers. So I'm like, okay, well, you can't have the same one as dad. So. Yankees was a good pick. Yeah, I don't blame you.

I'd have been a Yankees fan too. Freddie would be mad. He's a Mets guy. They suck too. They had been good since like Daryl Strawberry was there. You don't know who that is. I have no idea. Yeah, we suck football. We just suck kind of in general. Well, listen, man, enjoy racing Michigan this weekend. We wish you big time luck in the playoffs.

I mean, that's the big picture. When are you going to say what you're doing next year? I don't have anything done yet. No. I haven't put pen to paper yet, so I can't really say anything. Good stuff going on at least? I think so. I hope so.

Are you like sequential shifting? Are you like shifting? I don't know yet. I've had, I've had, I've, are you doing this? Are you doing? I've had multiple get handed to me, so I just, whatever one gets worked out the best, and that I can put a pen to paper. I want to, I've already done it, but I got nothing to say now because I don't really have anything.

What's more important to you, winning races in your deal you sign or being a cup driver? I think you got to look at both, right? I want to, whatever's going to make me be around for a longer, right? I don't bring a lot of money to the table. So it's just whatever one. It's just whatever. Because people like when they win. So it's just whatever.

Like if I can look at a long-term deal, right, like that I can eventually be winning or I can be winning right away. Whatever the case may be, I don't, I think it's going to be a little bit of a process either. Well, that answer is my question. Who's navigating that with you? You don't by yourself or you got help? I got some help. Big, big decision, man. It's tough.

20 years old. I mean, you're talking about a decision that can get you to 23. 25 and be around for a long time or not, man. And I've seen, listen, man, we saw guys come through here like Kevin Grub, Casey Atwood, that were talented, that were young guys in your position. And, man, a couple wrong moves and poof, you don't even ever hear of them again, right? So, but you also see guys come up through the ranks, you know, like Elliot Sadler, who makes the right decision, and boom, he's here for, you know, 15, 20 year career.

So we're, I'll be pulling for you in these playoffs, man. Appreciate it. Don't let me down. Don't do that stupid. All right, I'll try not to do something stupid. Just don't do that. I won enough won an idiot's awards. I don't need that.

That reset set to playoff too. No, do you have a counter? Do you have a counter to that? We should. We probably should keep track of who wins it the most. We probably should. When do you leave to go? I think I go Friday morning pretty early.

Yeah, Arca's there too, right? Yeah, and we got extended again on Friday. Yeah, busy weekend. Hopefully not 150 degrees. Yeah. Michigan can get hot, but it's one of the best spotter stands there is. though. It is probably there in Daytona or phenomenal spotter stand.

Very good spotter stand. All right, Bristol Motor Speedway. We're doing it in style here. The Ultimate Experience. Myself, T.J., Freddie, we all hang out with you guys in the suite before the race. I actually hang out during the race. Our good friend and leader, I guess we could even call him maybe mentor, T.J. Mike Davis, he hangs out in there the whole time. I will tell you this. If you get near Mike Davis, he does not stop talking.

So if you're trying to watch the race, you probably want to talk to him before this thing kicks off. But great food, great drinks. an awesome swag bag, parking pass, your own bathroom. This is VIP style. If you're a race fan and Bristol Motor Speedway probably is one of my, well, let me rephrase that. It is not probably. It is my favorite racetrack to actually walk into and look down at that bowl.

Yeah, I mean, night race at Bristol, ultimate experience. These, you know, not that I'm trying to blow Mike's head up here, but he does a great job getting these put together. and everyone that we know that goes with these has a great time and looks forward to seeing everybody there. Yeah, we'll see you guys there. Make sure you check it out. Dirty Emo Media, ultimate experience.

Well, you guys have a good week. Appreciate you listening. Freddie, you're in our hearts and prayers, buddy. We love you. Hopefully we'll have you back on here next week. I know how much Freddie loves racing. I know how much his dad loved racing. I don't see him skipping Michigan if he can at all make it there physically because I know he's

going to want to get back with his racing family and a tough week for him and his family. but it'll be a fun weekend of racing coming up. I appreciate you guys listening, and I'm out. Thinking about you, Freddie. See you. Check out Dirtymoe media on Twitter, Facebook, TikTok, and Instagram.