Door Bumper Clear - 304. Watkins Glen: Let's Not Do That Again

Episode Date: August 21, 2023

After a weekend in Upstate New York, DBC is back to break down the action from Watkins Glen. With the Cup race being the shortest run time in modern era NASCAR, the group debated the excitement level of back to back Road Course races in the Cup Series. They also discussed Denny Hamlin's unsigned driver contract, and speculated what may be in store for Denny's and 23XI Racing's future.In Spot On Spot Off, the gang discussed Sam Mayer & Ty Gibbs' on track feud, the bubble battle heading into the regular season finale at Daytona, NASCAR and Netflix's new docuseries, and an exciting Dirty Mo Media event that fans won't want to miss.Plus, the group fields more hilarious Reaction Theatre calls, discusses the state of racing at Bowman Grey, and debates which NASCAR driver could win in a hypothetical cage match style fight.DraftKings State-Specific Problem Gambling Information:In Massachusetts, call [phone] or visit gamblinghelplinema.org, In New York, call 877-8-HOPENY or text HOPENY (467369). In Tennessee and Kansas, Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER. On behalf of Boot Hill Casino & Resort (KS). In West Virginia, Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit www.1800gambler.net. All games regulated by the West Virginia Lottery. Please play responsibly. In partnership with Hollywood Casino at Charles Town Races. In Connecticut, Help is available for problem gambling call 888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org. Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Hey, everybody. I'm T.J. Majors. It's part of the six cup of car, eight X-Fany car. And I actually are car race this weekend, like your dream, Brett. Oh, that's my dream. TJ, where did you learn a parallel park at? Because your parking sucks. He's good on purpose to feel.

Yeah. You've got the whole, the whole, you literally took up three spots with your electric car. You're being. Are you charging? your car out there? You're being a Casey right now. Ready to be in Spotted this weekend for Chandler Smith. I'm back in Daytona. Oh, Oyster Todd. Get ready. I was hoping not to see you. I don't think I'm, I don't think I'm spending the night.

I think I'm in and out. Saturday coming Saturday? I think so. Yeah. It's going to be cooler there that it is here. And right now, which I don't believe in the Civil Florida, no rate. Yeah. There's no chance that happens. There's going to be some right at some point. What's up? Freddy Crafts, spotter for Bubba Wall. is Chandler Smith. What's up, Casey? Hey, hey, Casey boat here. I don't even know what my job is anymore.

Casey, where were you coming from this morning? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, I was dropping something off at Chad Shop. Right. Yeah, right. What?

Please. Was that score? Whatever. Are you like 12? What was that song? So I creep, yeah. Just keep it on the down road. She was coming out of scores?

Literally like 12 years old. Gold stocking me now. Well, this episode is presented by our lovely new sponsor, Birch Gold Group. Get a free info kit on protecting your IRA and 401K with gold by texting DBC to 9-8-98-9-98. How many weeks is a sponsor new? I'm just curious, because I think a new sponsor is like one week. No. They've been with us now for three whole weeks.

They're a longtime sponsor of DBC at this point. No, listen, my favorite thing is. is listen to how many different ways Casey can say 989898 898. Well, you gotta mix up a little bit. So if you have normal ears out there, it's actually 98, 98, 98, and you text DBC to that number.

Did you ever realize? Did you ever, I mean, obviously you've realized this. I'm sorry. I can't remember. I can't remember the comedian that said it. But like he said, could you imagine if you didn't have proper phone number etiquette? Like, as you know, everybody's like my number is,

you know, whatever. You just rattled off. if you were like, what, my number is 3, 48, 97. You know what I mean? Like, you'd never get the phone number. Okay, well, I may say it different times or different ways, but you've got to believe people are going to remember. This is literally what our listeners are saying to you,

but you can't hear that Casey? Casey, can you read that number back again? Brett, it's 989898. I. Freddie, whatever you do. Hey, guys, please text 9898988. Listen, whatever you do right now, text DVC to 98, 98-9-8. Hey, or any of those three numbers.

Yeah, what about 9, 8, 8, 9? You got to finish it now. 9-8-9-8-9-8? Now you know they're going to remember. After the shortest race since 1972. Your 9-8-9-8-9-8s are longer than that race. William Byron gets win number five of the season. reason. How is Watkins going for you guys?

Short. Yeah, well. If you arc or raced on Friday, you froze your ass off because it was, would you? It was going to, so I didn't, I didn't archer race, but I showed up. I landed and went to the dirt track that night, and it was chilly. It was definitely cold. And then it, like, rained and missed it and it was, uh, it was it. Did Jesse Love one again? Yeah, man.

That guy's on fire. Yeah. He massaged the back bumper of the 28 in the last corner and got it. I saw that pass. I do what you got to do. I've seen, I think Bob tweeted out or somebody posted a Bob Poker's prospect list and Jesse was up there. He was. The top 10 for sure.

You got eight wins. I mean, you're probably on some list. He's doing good. Obviously, you know, he's going to have to take a big step and he's got some more truck races coming up, I assume. And you think the natural pattern is he's going to end up in a truck next year. That's going to be a big leap. You know, not that I'm not trying to bash the Arka series, but it's not loaded with competitive cars. You know, if he can go out there and, you know, there's three or four that can win.

in any time, and Jesse's doing a phenomenal job, but he's going to have to take a pretty big leak when it comes next year to get in that truck series. Well, a lot of those guys, if you notice, and girls, are Toyota drivers. So, TRD has an incredible program. It just clearly shows, you know, the work that they're doing is

working. I wish he could skip the truck series and go right to a decent infinity car. But, like, we talked about on here, the truck series, if your ultimate goal is to get to the Cup series, the truck series might be what best prepares you for that right now. I just think it's easier to show your driver talent.

Oh, absolutely. I agree. Because you could get to the truck series, and you might never leave the truck series. If it gets off on the wrong foot, you don't succeed right there. And the truck series is hard to succeed in because of that. There's, I mean, it's hard. I agree. You look at, you know, you look at two people like Haley Degan and Derek Krauss, like,

didn't have stellar truck results, but then went out and ran very well in Exfinity cars right off the bat. Derek ran really good in the college stuff. I'm assuming Derek's got some more races coming. up with the playoffs coming up. He does. He does. So, you know, it'll be interesting. But, you know, that, definitely, we've talked about it here.

What path do you want to take? Show off your talent or prepare yourself for the highest level. And that's the decision these guys are going to make coming up. Winning still cares about. Yeah. Winning, but I just think it would be easier for Jesse in a really good extended car as well as he performs an arctic car. I agree.

I just, there's no, where are you going to go right now? Oh, yeah, that's the thing. What's the top-tier Toyota seats that you think he could potentially get in next year? I would say he's, I would have him pegged to get in a Tricon truck next year would be the most sensible route, just especially because he's... He already did do a start with Tricon, so I think that's... I was going to say that, but that's fine. Just cut me off. It'll be fine. Whatever.

Freddie, he's already got a start with Tricon. Oh, does he? Yeah. I think he's might actually, too, actually. Brett, you know he has to start with Tricon? Uh-huh. Casey knows. Yeah.

Was it a 9-8-9-8-9-8 truck or was it some other truck? Yeah. So like I was saying, he has starts with tricon already, and that would obviously make sense. Listen, if a Gibbs ride opened up tomorrow, you know, he's a contender for it. You've got to have a paycheck. You've got to have a checkbook to bring with you, I would say. But, you know, that's where else would you go? You're not going to, and you're okay, here's the question.

Like the second-tier X-Findy team, Toyota is probably San. Sam Hunt. Would you rather be in a Tri-Con truck or a Sam-Hun-Exfinity car? I think the Tricon truck gives you a better opportunity to win races. And we've talked about winning is everything. But looking at the open spots for Xfinity next year in general, it doesn't seem like there really are, right? Unless there's not many.

You know, we thought that Austin Hill maybe taking off a colleague Cup series. He's not. What do you think the play is on that? Must be it, Monday. It must pay the money. Or a long term. It's, you know, so like it could be as simple as, you know, you think, all right, I've got money to go wherever I want. And then you start finding out that maybe your money prefers to be where you're already at, you know.

So it's, it's, you know, the RCR is a very attractive place to be. It's Richard Childers Racing. It's one of the most prestigious teams in our sport, you know. Dale Earnhardt built that, you know, Richard Children and Dale Earnhardt built that company up to, to heights that nobody, you know, you know, just it's, it's one of our iconic teams. But, you know, so if you think you're leaving and your sponsors don't want to leave, then guess what? You're staying.

But on top of that, you know, what else is available? I don't know. You hear a lot of movement, but all the movement is kind of amongst drivers switching teams at the top level already and taking all those seats. You know, what's Stuart Haas going to do? Stuart Haas might be the only options that we're really not sure about, because there's potential that Cole Custer Col Custer leaves.

There's potential that Riley Herps leaves. So now both those seats are open. You know, Zane Smith go in there. You know, who fills those seats? That's the only one. Does Zayn go to cup? Potentially. It's, you know, there's three or four guys in the mix for that 10 ride

and possibly the 21 ride and maybe, you know, that one domino has to fall for the other one. I don't know. It's just a lot of moving parts right now. The Xfinity series, you're going to see some changeover, especially some surprising changeover. Guys leaving teams that go to other teams that you wouldn't expect, I don't think. But like I said, it's still going to be, you know,

it's still going to be same names. They're just kind of switching teams around. I feel like it's going to fill a lot of the same seats. Speaking of silly season, I know Denny's been kind of the talk of conversation lately around his plans for next year. And he states that he is intending on staying with JGR, although no contract is signed. Freddie, obviously, you know best being having him for your boss. I would word that differently.

I mean, Denny's great, guys. That's what I'm saying. The only thing I know is I don't know what they're waiting on because Denny's great. I actually have absolutely no idea where Denny's contract situation is at. But you would think, much like last year, Brett, this is more to your side. It's got to be sponsor-related, right? I mean, we see FedEx on the 11 card now less than we ever have. And if they're stepping back even more, you know, that's what the holdup is, I would assume, though.

I mean, to me, it's Kyle Busch all over again. Kyle was in a little bit of a different scenario in that he owned a truck team, but they were all Toyota's. Denny's in the same boat. He owns a cup team, and they're all Toyota's. And, man, if Denny's not resigned here, wow. I mean, when you look at Joe Gibbs Racing and you look at who's kind of carried the torch the last few years, It's definitely been Kyle Busch, Denny Hamlin, Martin Truex. I mean, they are a step ahead of that fourth car, no matter if Eric Jones was in it,

Christopher Bell's in it or whoever's in it. So how do you let a guy leave with the credentials that Kyle Busch had? And you look back at that, you go, well, Kyle could have stayed. And Kyle had chances to stay. I don't know if Denny's had those chances yet. We know that he's saying publicly he wants to stay. But if that's true, why isn't it out that he's staying yet? So I think there's something to 2311 motorsports here that we simply don't know anything about.

And I think it has to do with their long-term commitment to Toyota. How can Toyota let Michael Jordan and Denny Hamlin leave as owners? I would be absolutely blown away. The fact that you went and got Jimmy Johnson, okay, good for you, Toyota. But if you let these guys leave your stable, holy, you lost a ton of credibility in my mind in terms of the way you're operating this thing. So to be this late in the season, Fred, he scares me. Because why hasn't he signed yet?

And you tell me it's about sponsorship. You're 100% right. Listen, if FedEx was coming back for a full season, he'd probably already be signed back up. But clearly that's not the case. So what's taking so long? If Joe said, we want you to stay. If Toyota said we want you to stay.

If Denny wants to stay, why they announced he's staying? Yeah. We talked about that with Justin Haley, you know, with his contract, you know, the colleague side had come out and said, we want Justin Haley here. Justin Haley kind of, you know, said he would like to be there. But at the end of the day, those deals didn't work for each other. You know, if you, like, one team's only presenting their side and the other team is presenting

their side. If they don't work, they don't work. You know, and I don't, listen, I have no idea what's going on behind the scenes of any, you know, obviously you see the Ford rumors out there with 2311. And is there? Oh, are they rumors out there? Yeah, they're public. Yeah, public rumors out there this week.

Wow. I've seen some people asking Denny about it. I heard about it a few weeks ago, but I didn't know it was about it. But, you know, so if Danny Hamlin moves 2311 to any manufacturers, Ford, Chevy, whoever it is, can he still drive a Toyota? Is that like, would either manufacturer want that? But think about it this way. Hold on a minute. Think about it this way.

If there are rumors he's going to Ford with 2311 Motors, and there's nothing in his driver contract or owner contract that says he's, He has to drive a Toyota. He could easily go to the 10 car this year and 2311 switch to Ford in 2025. And then he's aligned with four all away. But I'm just saying like there's no scenario, right, where you could see 2311 going to a different manufacturer and Danny Hamlin staying in Toyota. Like, is that possible? Well, I mean, how much longer is doing a race? So if he can't get a job for next year that's locked down for 2311 or for Joe Gibbs racing, I don't foresee a multi-year contract coming here at his age unless, I, I don't.

I don't know. A miracle happens. Yeah. I just know that Toyota has the resources to keep this guy in the camp, and they should want to keep him and Michael Jordan as car owners in their camp, and I can't see them screwing this up. I feel like it's very similar. I feel like it's not quite taking the negative trend that the Kyle Bush did deal last year. Well, that's because Kyle was acting like a butthole to Joe Gibbs Racing on pit road every week,

and Kyle's comments were they lacked class. Yeah, I mean, and look, I think Kyle's fine where he ended up, and he's obviously been good for RCR, and that's, you know, the past is the past. But Denny publicly has been very gentlemanlike. Yeah, Kyle wasn't. Yeah, it'll be interesting. I don't know, it's hard for me to imagine that deal doesn't get done that Denny stays there. But we said the same thing last year, so I don't know. We'll see.

Well, Freddie, more questions for you. Okay, what you got? You're the resident expert. Yep, of course. Bubba, obviously a strong finish. I know he gave credit to Scott Dixon and his comments after having those conversations earlier in the day.

And he had a very emotional interview, which is really cool to see, you know, how much he's learned and how much he's grown in that element from past experience. What do you know about their conversation or even, Bubba's mindset going into this next week. Yeah, I mean, it's, I don't know anything about their conversation, obviously, but I found out about it when Bubba talked about in his interview. But it's, it's a big thing, you know, and I think everybody, and everybody in this room knows that they've gone into something knowing that they're not

great at it. And it gives you anxiety. It gives you, you know, you can easily. And if, and if you make mistakes, you know, we, we were running top 10, top 12, Dakota and Bubba made a mistake and crashed. You know, we made a mistake in Chicago and crashed, you know. So now you've got all these negative connotations about what's going on. And, you know, and now your whole season's on the line and you've got to step up and perform.

It's really just about believing in yourself that you can do it because I know Bubba can do it. You know, we've tried to, you know, we can only tell him so many times that we know he can do it. We've seen vast improvement in the Bubba on road courses from the first year we ran Cup to now, you know. And I think that he gets caught up in thinking like, holy shit, you know, perfect example is this week. We've qualified 12th, which is really good, you know, for Bubba, especially, you know, at that place, you know, we had been normally, you know, midteens, maybe 20s. You know, so now you go out there qualified 12th. And I feel like you think, holy shit, I'm hanging on for dear life. There's no way I can do that for 90 more laps.

You know what I mean? Yeah. But you don't realize that, you know, and it's in your mind, you're telling yourself, I'm so. bad at this that I am having to drive my ass off. I'm hanging on for dear life every lap and these other guys, it's just easy for them. Well, in reality, it's not the case. They're hanging on just as much as you are. So once you kind of get that, you know, once you realize that and you're like, I'm not that much different than anybody, all I got to do is believe myself and execute. And that's what he did yesterday. He went out there and we should have finished a lot better than we did. You know,

we ran top 10 both stages. Unfortunately, we, we had, we got to. We got. We, we had, we got to a deal on pit road where the 47 was pitted in front of us and they were going to come up we were planning on coming on lap 54 and we were you know so that was our number we're coming on lap 54 well then the 47 says they're coming on lap 54 which what's going to happen there is they're they're about i don't know how many seconds behind us they were but they're going to have to come around us and potentially block us in or we would be crossing paths trying to leave the box so we make the decision we're going to stay out and run one more lap let pit road get clear and then come well of course chase elliott runs out of gas, stops in the bus stop. They throw the fastest caution I've ever thrown on a

load course. And we missed the commitment line by, I don't know, five car links. And instead of shaking out and running six to seventh or restarting six to seven, we restart like 19th or I think there's a penalty. So 16th. And Bubba does a good job to drive back up into top 12. But, and I think we ended up with the seventh most points in the day. But it's just, it's just that mindset of getting over that hurdle and somebody like Scott Dixon can just tell you like you're being an idiot. Like you are good at this. If you weren't good at this, you wouldn't be in that car. Like, get out of your own head and go out there and do what you know you can do. And that's what he did yesterday. And hopefully he can take that lesson to move forward. We have the roval this year. We're going to have

X amount of road courses next year. Can we not have any road courses next year? Come in. I'm voting for zero. Listen, let me tell you something. I see all you're bitching about the races. You text me yesterday. This is, this is painful to watch. This is why we only had two road courses for 100 years, you know, because they're not fun. You know, I mean, especially now that the cars drive so good You can't even pass anybody. At least back in the day, you see how guys would make mistakes and drive off the racetrack and wheel hop and everything else. It doesn't happen anymore because it's...

But with road courses selling out pretty much almost... Sell them off. Every week, how are we ever going to change that? You can't. I mean, the Michigan sold out. I mean, we could do the same thing. If we go to all these other places one time, they'll sell out. I don't know.

Sell out's a loose term around here lately. Let's be honest. I will say that that place was packed. Camping. Oh, yeah, for sure. That place doesn't have a problem. Yeah, that place doesn't have a problem with it. I don't think Indy wasn't sold out with it.

I don't think last week. It was close. A couple hundred thousand short. You know, but this is why we... Back to back road courses is hands down the worst thing that could possibly happen on this schedule this year. Please, dear God, don't do it again next year. Here's a question I have for you because I was looking at Gluck's poll this morning.

And they were talking about this last night of tear down. This race is trending to be about four. 40% it was a good race. Last week was 70%. I don't know what those 40% watched. But last week was 70. I mean, what was... Cinderella won the ball last week.

Right now it's 63% no. 37. Think about last week. You had one major factor, the most popular driver in NASCAR chasing a guy who's only won one race. Yeah. Oh, I get it.

That's a compelling win. I'm just saying on the track that race, the yesterday's race and the other race. Last week's race sucked just as bad as yesterday's race sucked. The only difference was, Chase Elliott was chasing Michael McDowell for the race, and after running the entire race with only one caution, they were close to each other. Yesterday, once again, we ran the entire race with only one caution, and it was, listen, I'm speaking to you as a race fan.

I don't have a dog in this fight. The last two races on television, bless NBC's heart. They did a phenomenal job of making it entertaining. The racing was horrible. But you said remove stage breaks, so you don't want any cautions. All's a stage break. state bring are people diving into the corner and wrecking each other i mean that's all the stage and listen i'm gonna they also bring an unfair advantage because yes strategies create different strategies

right because of we know when a caution's coming so no i'm all for no stage break still um so so just adjusting this i think adjusting the length of the stages is what's going to help this if we're not going to have cautions jr houston big fan of the spotters big fan of our show brought up a really good point on Twitter the other day and a thread if you want to go find them and read it. If you, and we'll just take yesterday's race, for example, here, you know, we always talk on here about running the race backwards, which is what all, you know, majority of us did yesterday. What running the race backwards means is we can run 36 laps on fuel. We ran it forward.

And did you run a forward? Yeah. No, we did actually. But, and you can, that's a different strategy. But so, and this is going to get a little long, but bear with me. So we can go 36 laps on fuel. So what you do is subtract 36 from, from 90. get you to 54, 36 from 54 gets you to 18.

So now you're going to pit at lap 18, you're going to pit at lap 54, you're going to go to the end of the race. You're doing that because you're going to try to catch cautions. Well, the stage breaks yesterday are at 20 and 40. So what happens is instead of pitting at 18 to run it backwards, if you're in the top 10, you're going to run to 20, 21. And then, you know, it's not that big a difference. It's really not a lot of decision making there

because it's pretty easy. It's only two or three lap difference. If you just break it up in third, or it races 90 laps, you go 30, 60, 90. Now that becomes a bigger decision because now you're talking about pitting on 18 instead of 30. Now that's a big window to potentially catch a caution, potentially flip the field. So if you're going to run the race backwards and attempt to win it, you're going to pit at 18, you're going to pit a 54 still, but now you're forfeiting those stage points to do that.

So I think if you adjust these stages to where it makes the decision-making harder where I can just, I can't just run to the stage, pit. It's only three laps off my number. Then I run to the next stage. It's easy. It's 40. I'm going to go to 50 something anyway. Like, if you make these guys have a harder decision about these stages, then you'll see more strategy.

You'll see different. And if you do catch a caution, you're going to flip the field a little bit. And I think that that's what if we're going to stay with this, no cautions, that's what we need to do. We need to adjust the stage. We either break it up in thirds or, you know, you have the same information we have NASCAR. Like, you know what the fuel windows are. just the stages to make these guys make a decision. Am I going to race for the race win or am I going to

race for stage points here? And you'll see some different strategies and I think you'll make the racing at least a little more interesting. It's time for one of two things to happen. We need a Gen 7A to be developed for short tracks and road courses or we need to just go ahead and skip and go to Gen 8 because I'm telling you we went from road courses and short tracks being phenomenal and oval sucking. We flip the switch. Ovales are phenomenal, and the short tracks, and I'm sorry, I'm a short track guy, I love short tracks.

And these road courses are, they're extremely hard to pass. And I have to say this, it's going to hurt people's feelings. The tire, the last two weeks, it's garbage. Well, I mean, traditionally, Watkins Glen has been one of the, in the last few years has been the least amount of falloff in the series. And we saw yesterday, I don't know, did they ever get the left rear tire off the 14 car? I think they're still taking it off right now. So the left rear tire made it the entire race.

Like that's an issue. You know what I mean? Like I know it probably didn't have the same speed it did maybe when it started, but it went the entire race. So, you know, I remember back in the day I would do some starting park Xfinity stuff and they would run to the first stage or whatever because they knew that's all they could run. They can't run any further because the tires would blow out and they'd wreck their car. So, you know, you can't let have these things last forever and ever and ever.

As a NASCAR fan, if I wanted to see this kind of racing, I would watch MSSA or F1. I would, I'm telling you, as a NASCAR fan, I'm not going to keep watching these races because there's no door to door action. There's no passing. There's no, it's, it's, it's an F1MSA race. And I don't like F1 or MSA. I'm a NASCAR fan. I don't think, I think the cup cars at these road courses are entirely way too easy to drive. You say that, T.J.

And I believe you. But when they show these in-car cameras, and I think your driver might have been one of, them. AJ was one of them. AJ's head was bouncing around there like a bobblehead. Well, that's because they're off the race track. And I'm like, holy cow, but his head was bouncing around way more than everybody else's. I mean, it's like he was doing a dougie and everybody else was slow dancing.

Yeah, but I'm not, I mean, their head moving around. They're not. So I mean, yeah, easy to drive. Yeah, but it's violent inside the car. Yeah, because they're running over curbs, because the track limits don't exist. We just pave areas and run them off and let them run over there. And these cars... The speed through this came to your point is, it's like they're driving straight. Yeah, because they're fighting all the

curbs out. They're just flying through there. That used to be a heavy braking zone, passing zone, and now you just haul out through there. That's why this is what, like there's two things wrong here. One, the cars are so easy to drive. These guys are driving into the edge of the tracks wherever they

pave and there's no penalty for it. Like nothing. How many wrecks did we used to see in turn one? A lot. All weekend long. When you start a practice, guys were right. When you qualified, guys spun out. When you started the race, guys spun out. nobody, I don't think we had one wreck into turn one.

That's a joke. And the running off thing, they just run over the curb and hammer down. And that's the thing. That's where the speed is. You know, yeah, it's when you can get the power down, but you're only worried about getting the power down is because you're driving over a curb right there. And the same thing out of the carousel. They're just flying over there using the racetrack up.

And how they're doing it between, what do you, you turn six or seven or ten and eleven? Well, I call it 10 and 11 because I'm old. They run off there now. Way off. Yeah. Like, there used to be sand there. That's how the Loeb machine won the Archer race. I mean...

The Love Machine. I like that. He ran way over to the right there and found some grip and some speed and got to the 20 in the last corner. But they're just watching William Byron and these guys yesterday, William did a phenomenal job of just driving to the edge of the track. And, you know, those guys had a really fast car. But, man, there was no...

How many wrecks you see in the bus stop most of the time? Yeah, a lot. We had one, what, one guy spent out at Suarez? I mean, it was that the only guy that was the only guy that spun out? Yeah. How is that even possible? So I'm going to ask you all this. What do we got?

Six road courses on the schedule this year. Six road courses. So is that too many? Yes. Yeah, with this car for sure. But what do you remove besides Indy obviously? Well, Indy can go to Oval. Roval can go to Oval.

That leaves you with four. I don't mind taking, I know this is going to make y'all surprised. Color me surprised. Move Chicago to Montreal. if you're going to run an extra road course there. Like, I don't know. It's just too many. I thought that.

As a NASCAR fan, just too many. Did you listen to the tear down yet? No. So Gluck was very, very concerned. I heard he gave me a lot of shoutouts. He's very concerned about your opinion last week. But they had a very, I mean,

it will never, ever happen. But I thought it was very funny to bring up. They said that like Indie and Chicago, I mean, Indie and Charlotte don't have to declare what their race is. Like, let's run the first and see like the road course package sucks.

all right, now we're running the Oval. Yeah. You know, same thing. You know, if the Oval package sucks, all right, we're going to run the road course, you know. So, like, that's something to think about. Like, if we get, especially the Roval in the playoffs, like, if the road course package sucks and the old and the 600, it's great. Yeah, you know what?

That's going to be an oval race when we get to the playoffs. I was in the process of listening to the tear down when I pulled in the gate this morning and I got a text from somebody that said, Jeff Gluck asked me not to listen at the end of the show. Jeff Gluck gave you a one idiot award on their show. Good. He said, well, he just said you're an idiot for following his advice and taking take Sally. Well, yeah, I went down to Freddie during the race, and I was like, Freddie, should we text Gluck? Do like a wellness check here.

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Spot-on, spot-off. Spot-off. Spot-on. Spot-all. It was super fun yesterday to ride her out, Merrin. I am spot-off. Damn. Where did he come from?

First topic. Ty Gibbs says I'm racing on Sunday. He has more starts, and I have, more wins after Sam Mayer turned him on a late race restart racing for the win. Spot on, spot off Brett. I'm spot off for Ty even honestly saying what he said, to be honest with you. I think it's very obvious who's further along in their career. I've had some conversations with drivers in the past about who they elect to talk about

and who they elect to tweet at based on what level you're at and what level they're at. So if I'm a Ty Gibbs, I'm not working. about Sam Mayer. Listen, I think it's great that there's this rivalry there, but the reality is they're rarely in the same series together anymore. And I love that they hate each other. I love that they show us that they hate each other. But Ty in this situation, like, yeah, spot off for the quote. Yeah. I mean, on the track, listen, we said it on here last year, I think we were actually in the old studio and we said it, these guys hate each other. And it's not like a manufactured like, oh, you know,

ran it and these two guys literally hate each other. It hates a strong word. They hate each other. I'm here for it. Yeah. And, you know, I don't know that, I don't know that Sam intentionally dumped Ty,

but I can tell you one thing. He had all the intentions of running into Ty. You know? And it's kind of the same thing we said about Ty and Brandon Jones on the show last year. And I went back and listened, I was listening to Teardown obviously last night. And to Gluck's credit,

he went on a very long rant about this. And to Gluck's credit, he said verbatim on that show what he said on here last year after Martinsville about Ty and Brandon Jones. And similar situation for me, like, I know Ty meant to run into him. Now did he mean and wreck him? I don't know. But listen, I wouldn't. And at the same time, like I said, these guys hate each other, these roles are reversed. Ty is doing the same exact thing to Sam. They're going to drive into turn one, square that guy up and knock him out of the way. Where he ends up, they probably neither one of them care. And Sam went on. And Sam still had to drive his ass off after that to get back and pass.

Creed, I think it was, to get to the lead. They got an oil. Yeah, and he wouldn't, which, God, the track was dirty as Foo Yuck at the end of that race. You don't even have to beep that out. Nobody seemed to care. I have never heard that before. Foo Yuck. I think that's okay.

Foo Yuck totally is okay. He wrecked the Foo Yuck out of you. The dog Foo Yuck. That word just came to fruition. It's a couple extra U's all it is. but you know like so here's gluck's point I'll ask this to you guys

and tj you step in here first like gluck wants nascar to step in it's not when what gluck wants to know when is too when is too much gonna finally hit where we can't just continue to wreck the leader like not so much

intentionally wrecking people throughout the wreck which they have already showed intentionally wreck rearing somebody but if if you just go in there and clean the leader out would you want nasker to step in and do something uh i mean there's been times yeah i mean i wanted that to happen at richmond one time when kyle bush decided to turn del junior but um no i don't know man it that's a really

if you do that we are going to have to go strict uh like it's going to have to be really strict kind of like formula one strict like you initiate contact that's avoidable and that's not the way i don't think that's the way our sport is but i get it like sam did wheel hop before he got there. I know that's a term we don't use there much anymore, but Sam did wheel hop. Well, that's a different cars, why. Well, he will hop because he was driving in there to run into him, I think. I mean, maybe, or he was going on there to win the race. I mean, we've seen this for, like, the last year, same thing with teammates, right? So, I don't know. Like, I do think no matter who the leader is, if you're leading, I'm leading, Brett's leading. If Dale Jr. is leading that race, I think

Ty Gibbs runs into him no matter what. And I think that's something that just self-polices itself down the road In old NASCAR in the old days, you wouldn't do that to guys because there'd be... Back to the comment, though. Ty Gibbs is saying, I'm better than Sam Mayer. Does he really have to say that? No. I think Ty's wasting his time doing this. I think Ty, like...

But would you prefer Ty said no comment when they interview them? I mean, I would just... I would just go right to... I won't see that guy again the rest of the year. Yeah, I would just go say, yeah, we ran it really good. That's like Kyle Larson saying, I'm better than Ty Dillon. He doesn't have to say that. We know that.

I don't mean anything about to tie Dylan. That tells me that what Sam's doing is getting under his skin. It is. They hate each other. But I get it, but like the bigger thing to do there would be just to ignore it because now, now Sam knows that he can rattle him if he needs to. And I mean, I think it's great. I hope the next time they're racing together and they're lined up behind one another that coming under green, Sam's just wearing his bumper out. Because I think, now you said it, you're in his head.

I mean, that's, I definitely think, you know, Ty could have just. They're going to fight again at some point. I mean. I agree. I agree. I'm here for that, too. Austin Hill signs a multi-year extension. Speaking of fighting.

To race for RCR's Exfinity Series program. Spot on, spot off, T.J. I'm kind of, we touched on this a little bit ago. I'm, I'm confused here, but I'm not very educated on it. I fully expected Austin Hill to be going cup racing sometime soon. I don't know if that's still in the cards, or maybe it is, maybe it isn't, but there was a lot of rumors about him going cup racing, and I was kind of shocked to see him going back at Svini racing for multiple years, even though I know that's really... Well, they announced multiple years, but it's... Yeah, that was a tricky announcement the way they worded. I think that he signed a multi-year agreement.

Look, here's what I hope he signed, okay? Yeah. I don't know what the f***ing he signed, but here's what I hope he signed. You said it wrong. Foo yuck. I don't know what the ffoo yuck he signed. He's going to go to Tiff. Well, here's what I hope he signed. I'm going to go to Tiff.

Like, so. I hope he signed a multi-year agreement at RCR. And in the event, he gets approached with a full-time cup opportunity. And RCR cannot match it. Austin Hill has the ability to leave. T.J's right. Yes, he was talking to other teams. Yes, one of them was colleague.

He had talked to other manufacturer teams. And it didn't work out for him. And it didn't work out for him because a lot of times when you're a rookie, you got to have enough financial backing to make it make sense. Not everybody's willing to go out there and sign. you know, the next big thing. And, I mean, look at Chase Briscoe. You know, they went out there and signed him.

He didn't have any money attached to his name. Kyle Larson, you know, when he was signed, same thing, right? But sometimes rookies need money to help him. And it doesn't mean family money. It just means sponsorship. And I think that Austin Hill did what's best for his career at this point. Once you get to the point, you know you aren't going to get in a high enough level cup ride, then that's the point where you decide, man, I'm better.

are off to stay here, win races, and he's winning races. He's competing for championships. One of the best plate racers and one of the fastest plate cars in the series, that's fun to do. Been fortunate to be a part of that, as has TJ over the years. But I'm surprised that I'm surprised that he went as far down the road as he went with these cup teams and it didn't work out because what happens now is, and listen, I work with drivers like this. Chris Rice and I sat down with the driver said he had $3 million. And when it came time to do the deal, he had a million. That's a big difference.

Well, the next time that guy comes around saying he's got money, you are very guarded, right? So I think Austin Hill is a talented race car driver. I think he's cut ready, and I think Sam Mayer better watch out because he said he's mad at him. He said he can kiss his ass. And he'll kiss his ass and kick his ass. I would be concerned if I were Sam Mayer.

I think that you see this, and we saw this, I mean, legitimately this off season or this silly season, season with guys saying, you know, you hear rumors of guys going to certain teams because they've got money and then you see that guy go to other teams and it's because they didn't have the money that they said they had or thought they had. So like you said, I think this is just the same thing of, you know, do I want to sit in the Xfinity series and win races? He was in position to win that race the other day. You know, he was on the best tires closest to the front and was, I think he restarted outside of Ty on that last restart. And obviously Ty gets shoved up in front

of them and cost him a lot spots that's why he would like to kick uh sam's ass apparently but um you know we all knew oh yeah there was everybody knew on the roof that and i'm gonna tell y'all something man ty he didn't have that door closed he was not all he was wet he was setting himself up for to make an apex you're not making an apex on a restart with a race on the line shallow up he wasn't he did i mean i don't know if you guys saw i know you saw it live but if you've not seen a replay he was nowhere near far enough right going into the last restart of the day on turn one. No, he wasn't near if. He was, he was restarting like it was lap one.

You know what I mean? Like, I'm going to get off this corner. I don't care what our tie takes right there. That blue missile was going to hit him to matter. Yeah. But maybe that missile ain't is engaged. Maybe. If he could see daylight.

Yeah. Would you have left him daylight? No, I wouldn't have left any daylight. I would have jumped the . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . the Shiite out of the star. Yeah, the Shiite out of it. God. Man, but I'm kind of surprised Austin put himself in that scenario. Honestly. Code Cusswords brought to you by BBC.

I don't know. I don't remember where they were before. Did Austin just choose the front row or was he second? I mean, obviously he chose the front row, but I don't know if he was second or third. I think he was going to be a pretty far drop. It would have been fifth. But, I mean, when these two guys are going to hit each other, obviously. You just hit them too. Sheldon Creed was in, was in. We actually chose before a shell. And we chose the left side. And Sheldon, we left the right side open for Sheldon, which I was a little worried about that. But it ended up working out because off that corner, Josh's race and Sheldon up through the S is for the lead of the race.

But, man, it's exciting, though. I'm, you know, I'm glad, you know, it was interesting. Let's move on to Bubble Watch since this is the last race for the playoffs. This is going to be fun right here. Oh, yeah. Spot on, spot off. No, it's not. Someone from outside of the cut line will race their way into the playoffs.

Before we, I am so glad I'm not in that situation. So before we do this and hand this thing off to Freddie, because Freddy's the only one really matters. Here's who has to win at this point. And I'm going to say his name because, in my mind, 30 plus points at Daytona's a lot. So Ty Gibbs, can he win a plate race?

Can he win at Dayton? T.J. I don't believe so. I don't either. Daniel Suarez. I don't believe so. Now it gets good. Alex Bowman.

Yes, but there's an asterisk there. AJ Amadinger. It's going to be tough. Chase Elliott. Astric. What do the fuck is Astrik mean? Yeah. They've got fast cars, but they don't always race.

But now you have, it was easier when you had, it would have been easier if you had one car you had to get in. Now you have two cars that are racing for that position. You know, we're going into there, if Bowman, I was already in or Chase was locked in, we're going to, they are going to line some cars up and they are not going to leave the bumper that car. And that's, we've seen it before. Chevrolete orders are going to be massive.

All right. We're going to keep going, though, because a lot of these guys have wins at Daytona. I have two guys circled on my list. I can't wait to hear what they are. What will Chevy's orders be, though? I don't know. We're not there yet. Austin Cendrick, can he win?

Daytona. He won at Daytona 500. Why you should get it? He has before. So I got to put him on the list that he can. Justin Haley. Yes. Ryan Priest

Yes Eric Amarola Yes Todd Gillilland No I'm gonna give you two Actually I gotta go Three more

I was only gonna go two more Cory Lejoy Yes Eric Jones Yes Austin Dillon Yes Holy shit

People are like Holy Shiite People are like Oh it's gonna be really hard I don't think we're gonna have a new winner There's 10 guys right here That have one plate races In the top three series

That are gonna be highly competitive I think the Justin Haley, A.J. Almondinger thing is going to be the hardest because they're not a key partner and Chevrolet could care less if they make it. They're going to want to put their boys in there, which is Chase Elliott and Alex Bowman. But I still think Daniel Suarez, there's a bunch of guys on here, Freddie, that make me nervous for you. Who's the two guys you think I got circled? I hope it's Corey LaJoy and Chase Elliott. I think you're going to have Eric Amarola. And I think you're going to have

Austin Dillon. Nope, close. No. Tie Dillon. Say Cindrick. Cendrick. Austin Cendrick and Eric Amarola, the two guys that I am concerned the most about because one manufacturer seems to dominate control of these races and it's Ford.

And then if they get control of the race, it's hard to get away from them. And if they've got team orders, majority of these fords. I hope the six controls the whole race. Yeah, and the thing is like you still need to win. Not that you need to win to get in the playoffs, but you need to win for playoff points because that's a big deal for you. We're going to tell you. We're going to go for the win.

But, you know, everybody else is kind of, you know, their interest may be lies better in getting the Penske guys are going to be trying to get the two in. Joey Lugano ain't going to give a shit about the two winning. Oh, you're right. And Ryan Blaney shouldn't because they've had issues. but there's going to be team orders there of some sort. So those are the guys, and like you said, both of them have won plate races before.

So, and there's, I mean, you're worried about everybody. But the thing is, like, I said it on here last week, and it's kind of come to fruition, that, you know, I almost didn't want to have a points buffer going in because you want to go in there and just race your ass off. Yeah. And you want to give those points up today then? No, absolutely not. But, you know, it still puts you in a position where you've got to make a decision. And, like, it's easy to say, you know, all right, you know, like we talked about the last two weeks, go out there, have a clean race, make them guys chase you down and beat you.

Well, you don't want to do that here because this is, this is, you know, if you just sit back and run in the back, safest place to be, obviously, first of all, it's not 100% safe. You know, it's not 100% safe, but it's, it's manageable back there. And Ty Dillon goes and wins two stages. now it's a 15 point deficit or something like that, you know, 12 point deficit the rest of the race. And you're like, now I've got to race this guy heads up pretty much. On the flip side, if we can go up there and gain seven or eight points and make that advantage 39, 40 by the end of the second stage, then they can't catch us in points. So now it's, I think, you know, you have to weigh both options of, you know, put yourself. We've seen last year in this race lap six, there's a huge pile up and takes out Ryan Blaine.

who ends up getting a bunch of damage who's in the battle for points. I think he ended up getting in because of, you know, Truex ends up wrecking after that somehow. Well, it made minimum speed under yellow. Yeah. I think there's a wild card here too, and I'm not smart enough to tell you that analysis on it, but there's a handful of spotters up there that have won a lot of plate races, and I call them plate races, between the Xfinity Series and Cup Series.

Those guys tend to find their way to the front. Those same spotters, they know what information to give. Obviously, their drivers are good at what they're doing there in fast car. But I mean, I've seen guys win races getting terrible information on the last lap. Swerve back and forth. What does that mean? I saw, I'm not going to get into it. But I think when you look at, you know, the guys that have won a lot of plate races,

the drivers and spotters that have won a lot of plate races together, I think you're going to find those guys up front. And look, Cendrick and Doug have been hitting on all cylinders of this place. You and Bubba have been hitting on all cylinders this place, even though y'all haven't won a lot of races yet. you've won some and some gives you the confidence to know you're giving good information. I mean, I remember we got the big hours one night after a Daytona Tala a race and you were like, I screwed up.

I told him this and I told him the opposite of what I should talk. You won't do that again. You won't make that mistake again. So I think there's a lot of guys that can make this night very, very fun and interesting. I just hope that it looks, it's going to be hot, even though it's going to be at night, it's going to be 90 degrees during the day. So when we start that race, it's going to be slick. there's going to be a lot of fun factors.

One caution, we had two cautions over the last two weeks. Obviously, we're going to stop for stage breaks. We're going to see Rex as we can. Yeah. You know, and there's a whole other factor to this bubble thing that a lot of people aren't talking about is we're 30 points out of the playoffs on the owner's side. And that's what really matters. You know, not that the driver's championship doesn't matter,

but to these team owners, to the value of the charter, to a lot of different things, the owner's points is more, important than the driver's points. Yeah. And we're 30 points behind the nine. And the nine asked about that yesterday for that reason. Really? Oh yeah. I didn't even see that. Yeah, during the race. Yeah. But so now, like that lends itself to, hey, we need to just go up there, race our ass off. And to your point, like Bubba is very good at this. We worked very hard over the last 10, 15 years, whatever it's been, to get good at this. And that can put us in position to potentially affect the outcome of the race, affect who wins. You know, we could either put ourselves in

position to win or we could help, you know, a guy that's already won, win the race. So I think it lends itself too. And if it's up to me tomorrow, if they call me tomorrow and say, what do you want to do? You know me. I want to, we want to race. So end of the race, you're sitting P4. And we're two by two. Yep, we're sitting P4. We're getting ready to pick for the final green white checker, right? Because we're going to assume that we're going to make it back to the white flag. On the top side, you've got 200 cars that have picked up there. You've got Byron and Larson, one and two. And on the bottom you've got Austin Cendrick. Who are you picking behind?

Austin Cendrick. You ain't going to push him, are you? Not a damn chance. I'm going to push him right up until it's going to, you know, like just, I'm going to, like, not to the white, you know what I mean? Like, you're going to push him as far as you can help yourself a little bit, but not past them guys. Like, that's what I'm saying.

Like, we, we almost need to be up there to be in position to manipulate the race, you know, or have an effect on the outcome of the race. Where do you want to be leading on the last lap? Coming to the white flag. Do you want to be in second place? Think you're racing to the checker? You cannot think you're racing to the checker. I'd like to be leading.

That's what happened to us at Talladega. We're blocking in turn one because there's no guarantee that the whole field doesn't wreck behind us. You're racing to the white. Yeah. So going back to the start of the race, do you see guys maybe hold back a little bit in till towards the end? There's going to be some guys that don't care about stage points. But the problem now, and especially now, it's not like it was three years. go. You can't ride in the back the whole race and then make a charge late because that's just not what

this package does anymore. So if we do say, you know, say, all right, we're going to go up there. You know what? We made the decision. We're going to ride around and see what kind of stage points them guys get. Okay, well, if they get some points, now we've got to go race. Well, guess what? We're not going to just be able to drive back up there like you have been in years past. You know, it's going to take time. It's going to take. If you could say maybe you sit and watch the first stage and see how that goes and then go race, but, you know, you can't sit the whole race and then go, go run with 20 to go and go run up in there and get me a decent finish. I'll tell you, and the guy who's really good at this, Freddie, is Denny Hamlin.

Oh, yeah. You'll see him lay back and all of a sudden he's up there and you're like, where'd he come from? He is one of the best of no one when it's go time and when it's not. So on that note, Ty Gibbs obviously has a shot. Bubba with another shot, what would Denny do in the situation if he, who would he help? That would be a son of a bitch for him, huh? Bubba Wallace.

He ain't got a contract from Joe Gibbs yet. That's true. You know, imagine being him like... What makes him more money? Bubba Wallace winning or Ty Dillon win? I know what I'm doing. I mean, Ty Gives. I'm here to cash checks, not write him.

You don't think Ty Dillon? He's going to push Ty Dillon? I ain't to push Ty Dillian. Ty Gives, my bad. I'm just glad I'm not... I did not want to sit at this table and have the discussion on having to race our way in because... That's why I said it last week. Like, I'm very happy with the position we're in.

but it makes you have to consider a lot of different options this week. But you're also, you know, and I'm not trying to discount what you guys have done for the year because I know you're 25 weeks into this thing and you've given up your whole livelihoods to be able to get here. You're in this position because Chase Elliott snowboarded and right reared somebody on purpose. You're in this position because Alice Bowman got heard. Like, and look, one man's fortune is a misfortune is another man's fortune. Good for you. But, like, it all comes down to you got to do, you got to execute to take advantage of that or none of it matters.

Yeah, my dad won multiple championships of Riverhead, and he said, always told me the second you stopped doing what got you there is when you get in trouble. So, you know, if you ask me tomorrow, I want to go up there to lead every lap and win the damn race. And if we get wrecked, that's what happens. NASCAR is in discussions with Netflix to have this season's playoff docu series aired on the streaming platform. Spot on, spot on, I don't know a lot about this. it seems like to me we're a few years late to this party but Netflix has what over 200 million subscribers

is that right so obviously that's two-thirds of America the population here is like 300 million so I'm and I'm all for this I hope that it's well put together and and represents us well and it has some drama because you know I've been involved in a few docu-series over the last few years and you got to have drama manufacturer or not yeah I think that I think that this did wonders for Formula One I think this did wonders for golf. There's a really good golf, same type of shows,

the drive to survive. And I think it's maybe, you know, to Brett's point, we're late to the party. But now this might be a good time because the Formula One races have been so bad that I'm sure that they're losing it. People are losing it. Whatever interest they gained from, you know,

this Netflix series, it's starting to plateau. So you think Jason Schultz is no longer obsessed with Formula One? I mean, how could you be? Like I get it. And this is not really that much different than Formula One's always been. It's never been a very competitive sport. But this guy wins by 30 seconds every week. Like you watch a race and they build the hype up of, you know,

Overs Steppen qualified eighth today. It's going to be a hard race for him. And lap three, he's leading. You know, it's like, Jesus, what's. But, you know, so this might be the perfect time for NASCAR to jump in here where, you know, you know, the fan experience. The fan isn't so enamored with Formula One anymore. And maybe they're looking for another avenue.

and we jump in here and present a good show, good product on there, maybe we could steal some of that people away. Yeah, I always think it's always good to get behind the scenes and show what goes on during the week, and especially if there's some rivalries that form and some drama. I'm sure there'll be some sort of drama that happens. You know, obviously it's going to be a tense week for Freddie over here in that group.

it's, I mean, he could go either really good or really bad, and whether he's going to admit it or not, he's going to be thinking about it all week. But there's a lot, you know, there's a lot behind the scenes that I think fans would get into. Now, we've had this discussion before because I think they've tried this and there were maybe some concerns or issues with drivers and teams and more of the financial side of things. How do you think this works as far as does NASCAR? car get the financial piece does like how does that work since there are so many different aspects of this sport that would be involved i have no idea i would know i mean obviously nascar owns all the content that comes inside of our fences all weekend long so i would think that they're selling this to

netflix and then if it goes well you sell it for a bigger amount i mean they've you know having known some folks that were on tv shows like the voice the first year and knowing what they made the first year knowing what they made the last year, it changed drastically because of the popularity of it. So it's almost like you're running a pilot here to see what interest you can get. And hopefully the interest is there. I mean, I always tell people when they ask me career advice when they're younger, don't ever take a job for the money, take a job for the opportunity. And I think the opportunity here is big.

And if you go out and you deliver great content, the money will come. Moving on, and y'all will be idiots if you spot off this one. The host of the Dale Jr. download and Doorbubber Clear, are getting together for a live show on Friday, October 13th at the Westgate, Las Vegas resort and casino. Let me tell you, Casey, what the VVIP package gets, and y'all are going to go crazy. This is for $2,000 per couple, so $1,000 a person. Meet and Greet with Dale Jr., commemorative, dirty moe media live, autographed gift.

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gift. Grand stand tickets, neon garage passes, transportation to and from the race. That one is only a thousand dollars a couple, $500 a piece. And then obviously beyond that, there's reserve seating that's for sale. We tried to make it as affordable as possible. And man, it's limited seats in this thing. I'm excited about it because I know how much people love Del Jr. I got to think that as many people love T.J. Majors as they love I just, I might even just buy a ticket so I can get that autographed Dale Jr. sock that you guys are, uh, my sister

text, like the second we dropped this, my sister text me, she's like, are these prices real? Like is this, what's, are you guys running some kind of scam? And I was like, no. Like, this is all legit. Like, where, do you look at the price points and you're like, where can you go and stay in Vegas for a week? That's, I know. Just the room itself, not alone get to meet Dale Jr.,

get to see the, you know, DJD, DBC, see live in person, front row seating in some of the packages. If not, the two VIP packages, you're not going to sit behind the third row. But, no, I mean, the value of these deals, like me and Brett talked about this long in advance of this announcement. And he asked me what the value I thought was. And I think the number I gave you was double what it actually is. So, I mean, the value of these tickets and these packages is phenomenal.

Well, when I tried to just value meeting Dale Jr., and getting a meet and greet with him, you know, and being in the room with him for 15, 20 minutes, getting your picture made with him, getting an autograph from him. I was like, I don't, I mean, that's got to be worth five grand, right? I mean, so, you know, this package is going to be awesome. It's going to be fun.

It's away from the racetrack, which I think is really cool, because you can treat it like a Friday night show. We're not messing up the race weekend by doing this, right? So the folks at Westgate are the reason this is so affordable. Mike Davis played a big role in making this come to life. And we're super duper spot on for this thing. coming on in Vegas. And who knows, man, we may see you at a hotel bar after.

You talk about having fun. This is going to be fun. Because I'm sure we're going to have to go on the headliner doesn't normally open, but they will this night. And then, so we'll be done early. And then God knows what we're going to do after that. So, I mean, just, God, you can't beat it. Like, if you've seen any of our live shows at the racetrack, Dale's done live shows at, you know, old red and Nashville and stuff like that. These are some fun, fun events to attend. And so you can go to westgate experience.com slash events slash dirty dash mo dash media live.

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Oh, I did. Clint was mad. Clint was trying to catch him. He was real mad. He was trying hard to catch him. Clint did a good job, but yeah, he got his ass beat. I text Davenport out races. I'm so glad you beat his ass.

It was fun to watch. It was so fun to watch. Clint was so, I think Clint was better than Davenport, but Davenport had track position, and there was only, it got to be where it was kind of one lane around the top. Yeah. And Clint was not going to be able to go to the bottom and clear him. And Davenport was probably not... He was just chilling, man, I think.

Yeah, I mean, he's not growing up. But he wasn't also at the same time. He's not wanting Clint to slide him, so he's not let him get that. You ever see how quick Tony got to leading him dirt race before? And then all of a sudden he stayed like five carlings in front of the guy. I mean, come on. That slide job Clint pulled off, though, was epic. I think it surprised Davenport.

It totally surprised him. They ran right in the back of him. Clint said it knocked the wheel out of his hand. I just thought it was funny. Like, you know, knowing Clint, like, you know... I literally tweeted right before it happened. I was like, he's going to throw a hell Mary right here. And what do he do?

He threw a hell Mary. I just thought it was, you know, first of all, Marco ran him off the racetrack. And I thought for sure that Clinton was just going to junk him as soon as he got to him. But Marco, I think, was smart enough to realize that that was coming. So he got out of the way. And then Clint ended up throwing that big sliders, ended up losing track position. And I told, I texted Brett. I said, oh, he's real mad because everybody else drove around the front stretch and, like, waved

to Davenport and Clint drove straight off the racetrack in three and four after they took the checker. I was like, oh, he's mad. That was by far the best SRX race I've ever seen. Yeah, for sure. And I've been watching all three years. I don't know what happens with the series. Obviously, Tony has a ton of dirt routes, so it's cool that they end up on dirt tracks like they do. But I personally love the series.

I don't know how you get more eyeballs on it. I think you move it up to 7.30, you know, a 7 o'clock time slot if you can. But I hope it sticks around because you're going to grassroots tracks that are literally selling out. And it's a great TV product when they put on races. I went. I went to the one at Stafford this year. And listen, I've been to a lot of races at Stafford. They'd never been that electric.

That crowd was amazing. I've never seen a pack that much. And the only thing I think I tweeted from either Couch Racer or my personal like I'd like to see them bring back the local guy. You know, the Doug Kobe won Stafford. Davenport, he's not maybe local to Lucas Oil, but he's a dirt guy. He's a dirt guy. That's one of their guys.

You know, Luke Fenhouse ran his ass off at Slinger a couple years ago. I think he finished second. Like those are the stories you remember about this series. So I think you bring back. that local guy, wherever you're at, wherever you're going, and put him against the All-Stars, because that's, you know, they're going to be the most competitive. Well, you got, we talked about on here, like you got a slight identity crisis because you've got the Denny Hamlets and the Kyle Bush is going out there and kicking everybody's ass on the asphalt tracks. You know,

you've got to bring somebody in that's going to compete with them. It's, is it Kenny Schrader's not going to run with Denny Hamlin on a half mile over, you know, just not going to happen. But if you bring in a Doug Kobe that's got a thousand laps of that place, he might compete with them. So, you know, we've seen priests do that at wherever it was Staff or two until his car, you know, failed. But I think that's the one thing that they need to get back to is the local flavor and to your point, move the start time up because even the, it's not a long show, but starting at 9 o'clock, it's not ending until 10, 30, 11 o'clock. Your buddy, Sunshine got back in the car, right? Sunshine, yeah, I went. Friday night I landed. They were at Outlaw

Speedway. It's probably about 15 minutes from Watkins Glen. Yeah, it's not far. I went by on the way to the airport. So we, I shot over there, hung out with him and Chris. and they actually started on the front row and Sunshine 1. I was talking to him about, you know, I was surprised he was back. I thought he was going to probably take the rest of the year off. They've still got about 10 races left in that series. But they're chasing an owner's title. You know, they're chasing, same as ours.

You know, they chase owner's points, and that's where the money's at. And he came back, and I think, I didn't see what, I don't know what results last night. I think he finished fourth. And the guy, Zeb wise, he's chasing one, but it's just good to see him back. And he didn't miss a beat. Like, when I got there just after qualifying, he had said, fast time. He ran good in his heat, won the dash, checked out, won the race. So it's good to see him back. Chris didn't have a great weekend, but I'm sure he'll bounce back at some point.

I'm sure he had a great weekend knowing he saw you. Oh, of course. How could you not? But yeah, it was fine. I mean, I don't get to do that very often to go see them guys race. So it was, it's fun. And, you know, you watch them on, you're watching it's kind of like our racing. You watch it on TV. It's one thing. When you go there in person and see these maniacs throw that thing in the corner, watch. wide open and just rip the cushion. You're like, what is wrong with them? There is no comparison in-person dirt track racing versus watching on TV.

And it is amazing to see when a local market has a dirt race, NASCAR in town. I mean, that's, I wish they did that more. I think having. And we used to. I don't know what happened. We used to align a lot more with a lot more. Like, Watkins Glen always has stuff lined up. Saturday night there was, what, a modified race at Shimon less than an hour away.

That's where Jeff Bodine's from, right? Yeah. They got like a house right behind the backstretched. Austin Beers won that race. Yeah. Yeah. And there's just a lot of racing going to go to. And I think I'm wanting to say the All-Stars or the All-Stars run again, like a couple hours away.

I think they were a little further away. Oh, Saturday. Yes. They ran Utica Rome Saturday night. Saturday night. And then they ran, I think, Selling's Grove last night. Yeah. Bottom line, take your family to a dirt track.

And if you can't watch it on DirtVision. Shout out to the dirt track at Charlotte at Charlotte Mother's. Speedway because I took Chloe there Saturday night for Monster Trucks and she had a blast. So I am, I'd imagine if you live close to a track, they have other events going on to, fun weekend for the kids. They really do it right. Let's move on to your action theater. Oh, Michael McDowell, from the Mick Goat to the Mick back of the pack.

Ain't that a shame. Go 12. That was the Blaney guy. He was bashing Michael McDowell? He, uh. Michael did not have a good day yesterday. No, two penalties and then the car broke. Well, I don't know.

I think the car broke might have been him too. Maybe. I think that hurts the rumors. But here's the thing, though. Like, does it matter? He won a stage. I mean, but it does matter. He got a playoff point.

That's big. Was he going to win stage two? I don't know. Was he going to win the race? I don't know. But he got a playoff point. It doesn't matter where he finishes in points because he's outside of the top ten. He's not going to get playoff points based on where he is in the standings.

But that, Jerry Freeze is on rack. Jerry Freeze is the, I don't know, president, GM of front row. They're on record as saying that they've made the playoffs before. Their goal is to get out of the first round. Seven more points would have gone a long way. And he was the best car, I thought, for that first run. He was fast.

He was really fast. He won the first stage and was, you know, in position to get six more stage points. But what are the odds? What are the odds of Cinderella showing up two weeks in a row? Not, well, listen. The pit crew, the driver, the car. Like, what are the odds? Yeah, not great.

But they fumbled the ball yesterday. That's hard to win twice. I mean, he started it when he went through four pit boxes instead of three, right? He started. But he drove back up there. Again, he had a fast car. But, I mean, at the end of the day, if he's going to have a bad day, it sucks. But he's still got a playoff point getting out of there.

I want to know who the asshole is that pointed out T.J. Smack another clip. I've listened to 100 episodes, and I've yet to listen to it and understand it. And now all I hear is T. I've been avoiding it. I haven't listened to it. What are you smacking on over there? I don't know. I was going to say something. Yeah, this is probably not the right time to be doing. Hey, I just ran into TJ Majors outside of the front stretch. You're walking to Glenn here.

I got to say, he's a really nice guy. Took a picture of me and all that. But the thing that stuck out the most to me, T.J., you are shorter than I thought you were. Take care. Five-seven. I mean, I don't know. You want to. me to, are you 5.7? Yeah, I'm not going to play center. NBA. Well, I'm only 5.8 and a half. I thought I was a lot taller. I might have been a little under the weather last week, but I can't remember a fan. I might have mentioned this last week. A fan came to me last week, and he's like, hey, man, how you

doing? I said, man, you ain't that fat. I was like, damn shit. I was like, thanks. Well, here's the problem. The TV camera has 10 pounds, and we got three of them on us. Oh, my gosh. That's funny. We look 30 pounds heavier in here. Yeah, that's what it is. Yeah, sure. Luckily, I'm sweating 30. I think they're trying to do something. You know, maybe this is the weight loss program. We should just move the recording back to like 3 p.m.

When it's like 85 in here and maybe 90. It looked like the dude of an airplane movie. Oh, flying a thing, yeah. Yeah. Boy, I'm sick of hearing Andrew Curlin giggle in the background of every podcast he's over on. But as far as the Sam Mayer move, he drove in way too deep and sorry about that, Ty Gibbs. but he still had to go on and pass a couple other people to the win,

so I say it's justified. So you're allowed to wreck the guy, as long as you've got to pass somebody else to do it. I don't. I mean, yeah, you overjoyed. He's still won the race. You talk about how bad Ties interview was? Sam's was worse.

Like, I think everybody here agrees that we just wanted to see an Xfinity guy win. What? That was your reasoning. I was thinking about the fans. I know the fans didn't want that guy winning, so I was going to do everybody a fan. Listen, I didn't know if Sam Mayor was going to cut it around here.

I mean, he was, oh, for whatever. I think he gained a lot of fans on Saturday. The way they were cheering. Two weeks, back-to-back wins or whatever it was. Like, he's... He was one that was rumored to be out where he's at, and now he's rumored to be in where he's at. I feel like Ty just acts...

I mean, he's straight the next guy that left that place last year. I mean, you know, he is straight acting just like that. Sorry about my giggling. Yeah. Stop giggling, Andrew. Yeah, I just wanted to call in and say, What a dirty piece of shit move that was by Sam Mayer. Not only did he take out the fastest car in Ty Gibbs,

but he takes out the second fastest car in Austin Hill, who is in top five all day. He needs to get his ass beat by Ty Gibbs again and then probably get another ass whipping from Austin Hill. Maybe that'll teach him a lesson not to just dive bomb other cars. God, he sucks. well, he can't say he sucks.

He won a couple races in the last month. It's going to say winner. It's going to say Sam Mayer beside him. Yeah. And we take out here all the time. Win at all costs. And I'm pretty sure when he gets his paycheck, it's going to probably reflect. It's going to win at all costs.

The chick that ran into the dude and the dude that ran into the chick. What are you talking about? Yeah, well, what's at Bowman Gray this weekend? Oh, yeah. Was that the same chick that her husband was in the Spotify? No. No. different people. I think that's a good one idiot

second. Oh, trust me. My notes for one idiot. I didn't see that happened. Back to reaction theater. We won't get too far ahead. What the hell? It's called a bump and run on a bumping wreck. Why the hell you kicking out the leader and not even winning? What the hell? Do better.

Even the kids crying. Yeah, I didn't know you. I didn't know he was friends with Ty. That was Jason Schultz in the background. Hey guys. Alan Gustafson. Just wanted to call him. call in which you all Merry Christmas.

If my math is correct, it should be about December 25th right now. So I just wanted to call in and wish you guys a happy holiday. So I don't, somebody's got to, did anybody go back and listen to this? Because I heard a little bit, bits and pieces of it, but it sounded like Alan made it sound like he was giving bad information,

which is the engineers or the strategist, whatever you want to call them, are the ones telling you like when you're going to run out or what your deal is. And they're talking about, I heard somebody say they talk about flipping a switch. And back in the day, we used to have a flip, we could flip a switch and run a lap. When you flip a switch, you pit.

Yeah, like now if you flip the switch, it's over. Like, you better get to pit road immediately, especially at a place like Walkins Glen. I think the communication I heard was that when you flip the switch, you get three laps. No. That's not. That's what was said over there. So there's a bladder inside of the fuel tank. And clearly, I've never built a fuel tank in my life.

Really? But what the switch allows you to do is to get the gas that's remaining in that bladder. and under no circumstance at Michigan would you say run three more laps and this is worse than Michigan Yeah anywhere. The switch was only one lap. I think that they were saying they could run three more and then you could probably, I heard something like you could run, you're going to pass me two more times, then flip the switch and come. So, but they're off by a lap.

Who is providing that information? That's their, they're strategists. Their engineers are, you know, they're knowing how much fuel they got in the car. how what kind of fuel mileage they've been getting because they're weighing cans when the last pit stop is done you know there's so many factors in it we went through with the exfini race on Saturday as well up front we were up in the top five or whatever there we didn't you know we had a certain fuel mileage number well we had a bad pit stop we're back there in 12th or you're not running as fast lap times so you're getting a different fuel number because you're running slower

so we went from not being able to make you know from our first set of numbers we weren't going to make the end of the race. But after the pace sewed down where we were, we were actually going to probably be able to make the end of the race. So change. We did that at Michigan. We had, you know, after the restart of the rain, we were third. And they were like, all right, we're good to the end. We made a three wide pass for the lead. And they go, okay, we're not good to the end of the stage. Now you've got to save a little bit leading because the number changes that much just whether or not you're getting a little bit of draft or if you're leading. So they have it. And then everything factors in. They, they are. If we're getting X amount of miles to the gallon,

and that only is accounting for a full tank. If this guy doesn't get a quarter of a gallon in there or half a gallon, that throws that number off a little bit. So they just ran one too many laps, unfortunately. And it sounded like he made a comment on the radio that he got bad information. So I'm assuming he's passing the blame to his engineer or whoever fed him what lap they should pit. I have a feeling the guy who built the fuel tank knew that was not accurate. I mean, Sean Warren, a friend of mine, he built him as to our hoss forever.

I think if he were sitting here, he'd be like, no, you ain't going to get three laps. No, they never said three laps. They never, I just know that even if you have that number, that number is just a guess still. Just so you know, you don't exactly. You flip the switch, you better pit. You don't know what exactly is in that. That's what they said. They said that you're going to make this lap, then you're going to flip the switch.

You might have to flip the switch and come. It was basically like you're going to flip the switch or you're going to pass us two more times. You're going to flip the switch, then come. But that's like, that's a, you're not, they're not saying, you're going to flip a switch, run through a lap. So where they were off at was the run in two more laps. Yeah, they thought that they could run an extra lap and they could. They were just two. Which is all, like, this is the other side of the strategy. Most people played the ran the race back. We went the other way because, and we, fortunately, we had

speed there too. We made up ground after we ran. We ran all the way to the end of the first deal. But what we were planning on doing is having the shorter stop later for fuel, because everyone, you know, which should have helped us out. We had to wait on fuel at the stage break. Yeah, we weren't going to have to wait on fuel. So, but, uh, it was, worked. We had speed, too, so that helped out. But the fuel thing, it's interesting. Definitely makes, definitely changes the outcome of the race. Okay, glass. Today, we're going to be doing some simple math problems. Our first one is three. We'll take a stab at it. How about you? Mr. Gustafin. Alan Gostickson. What is three plus

one? Is that a guy and a falsetto voice or is that a lady? I don't know. And the thing, like, we talk about, listen, this is going to, we're going to get hate for this again on here. But here are the irrational Chase Elliott fans again that won Alan Gusseson fired. What an idiot. Let's get rid of one of the best. Like, who are you going to get to replace that guy? They want Rudy. They want the guy that just fed him the bad number.

That's what they replace him. They think they're going to get Rudy if they get rid of Allen. Oh, yeah, yeah. We got one more, and we saved the best for last. Take me to Watkins Glen. I want to say I'm a real. and get drunk with Brett Griffin and raise hell and throw old bear cans

and put me there in a carousel I want to hear Dale Jr. Yeah. We got one car spinning. Could you take me to Watkins Glen? Andrew, do you know what that song that's after? Yeah, that's Tracy Lawrence, isn't it? Yeah.

What's the song? You're not supposed to tell him. What is it? That I don't know. It starts with a P word. Paint me a Birmingham. Yeah, I was going to say that. Yeah, I bet you were.

He's going to giggle. At least you knew Tracy Lawrence. Yeah. Good job, Jeff. I've seen him in concert. I'll get drunk with you anytime you want, man. You just find me. Yeah, no shit.

I need to pull a good one anyway. Freddy never hangs out with me anymore. Where were you last week? In Atlanta with you. I needed. Atlanta with you getting drunk. That was a bad idea for you. That was a rough couple weeks or days, I should say.

All right. Well, to leave an audio message 247, head to anchor.fm. slash door bumper clear, or call us at 704802-9572. Did I say that right, TJ? Uh, sure. Yeah. You should have read that all that hooked up. Seven. 048.8. Let's move on to AskDPC. Don't forget, hashtag AskDBC, send us your questions. we will keep track and ask the guys the best ones. This first one is from Newt-Nute-Nute-Hosevar for President 2024. If you put all the drivers in a caged wrestling rink, who would win?

Are we talking Cup or Exfinity or both? I would say, Stirl them all in there. Austin Hill is going to be hard to beat. I don't know. I think Harvick comes out in a clear, unanimous decision. could use like, you know, like you have like a big guy and a little guy in the wrestling deal, like a tag team.

Like he would just have Austin Hill clean. You know, they're an RCR or, no, he's not at RCR anymore. Like, but, you know, just have Austin Hill work together, you know, you beat him up and then I'll take care of it from here. I think Kevin Harvick, uh, in this day and time beats the f*** out all of them. It's very possible. I'll take an Austin Hill. Austin Hill would be. It's hard to handle.

You've only seen him throw one punch. You haven't seen him fight. Kevin Harvey trains to fight. I don't need to. trains to wrestle. If Austin Hill misses him, he's going to time up like a pretzel and choke him. I'm not saying he can't, but I've never seen Kevin Harvick training to fight. Trains to fight. Where is this video? We talk on like jujitsu. He got in all that MMA crap. Yeah, but did he actually fight? I think he just sponsors the, I mean, manages the

I don't think managing an MNMA fighter. I think he fights Josh Jones for practice. I think he trains to fight in Josh Jones. Fair. Is that help or hurt us? Yeah, I don't think it hurts. First thing you got to do with Josh when you fight him is catch him. And Josh was also... Hey, listen, Ross is probably a kicker. Ross's been throwing watermelons around for a while. He's in shape. Josh Jones was a kicker in sports.

Just so you know, you're just... I know. Okay. All right. He kick you in the balls. It would be hard to come back from that. I think Austin... Is that allowed or not allowed in the cage?

That's hard to recover. Depends. I think Busher might be sneakily. Sneakily. Yeah. Sneakily. he might be sneaky tough in there so what about swares took down mcdowell at phoenix those years ago

i don't really know if taking him down like pushing him over a hood of a car is taking him down then drew take mcdosewheres down bliggins durfer yeah yeah yeah he's training to fight though brett who do you think kasey who do you think i would say austin hill for sure for sure i mean the problem is the problem is like if if the guy guys were smart, like it's a cage match, they would all jump Austin Hill. Like they'd be sitting there. I think Harvard would push your alliances. I can see Harvick walking behind and pushing them all with Austin, getting them all in the fight.

I just see Hardick flying under the radar. Oh, yeah, he'd be super smart about it. I got my pick. It's Justin Haley. Just hide under the ring. He just run around crawling under everybody's legs. Yeah, first of all, I see Redick on one of Austin Hill's legs. Justin Haley on the other one.

Gibbs on his neck taking out Austin Hill. If we put you three in the ring, who would win? Us three? I'm done fighting. Yeah, I don't even think we'd fight. We just sit there. 18 years ago. Yeah, no, I'm done.

I'm out. I try to be done. I retired. It doesn't always work. Mr. Policeman helped me, convince me that it was a good idea to stop fighting, so I'm out. Another good question. This one's from Bill.

What role do Spathers play in a few mile of situations? We got a switch. we just flip it up there. Yeah. Coaching. Yeah. A lot of coaching. The biggest thing is for us now, like we did this recently at Pocono, I want to say it is.

And they have, with the extra SMT data that we have now, you can see a lot of those times when you're saving fuel, like they'll say Pocono was run 80% throttle between turn one and turn two. So now they can see Bubba's not doing that or he is doing that. And so you're doing good right there. You're saving enough for us. or I need you to do more, you know, and then it's just, you know, lap times, where's the guy that's chasing us? Are we gaining, losing? What are we doing? You know, that's basically... I don't even know if they really need to even need that. They know a lap time that they need to hit once they get their fuel numbers and they can work that into an equation

and get a lap time. Let me ask you this, though. The old car, yes, it used to be shoot for this lap time. But then we went through a period of time where guys were lifting earlier, getting back to the throttle later, and on the straightaways, shutting the car off. Are they still shutting the car off? We haven't been. I don't... We haven't been. And I'm not saying that wouldn't... I'm not saying that couldn't come into play at a place like Indy or someplace like that. Maybe a poker. We've maybe seen it a couple times. But it's like it's not usually guys that are going to win the race. It's guys that are, you know, looking to take an 18th and make it into a 6th or something like that. But we don't see as much

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What an idiot! On to What an Idiot, and I have a feeling this could be a long time. head first because I'm going to be here for an hour. I'll go first because mine's short and sweet. I was going to pick Andy Lally for being an idiot. It has nothing to do with Rick Ware racing. Just you're not on the lead lap. Get the hell out of the leader's way.

Come on, man. You're a road racer. You should know racing etiquette a little bit better than that. But I'm going to go with my friend from the tear down. Jeff Gluck for convincing me to pick Chase Elliott last week on DBC Picks. Someone sent me a message that he said Chase Elliott's name every three minutes on last week's Teardown. It's an hour show.

this week. I think it's an hour 14. So Jeff Buck, congratulations. For the first time in my life, I don't think you're smart. What an idiot. He must be wearing Jason Schultz pajamas or something. Yeah, T.J., who you got? Well, to me, it's kind of plain and simple. This is the guy, I don't remember the driver's name of Bowman Gray, but the guy that

he did get spun out, but to go and just. What? I couldn't tell. No, this is different. Different guy? Yeah, the modified race. Well, the modifies. You got a guy running for the championship behind you. He's wearing your bumper out.

And I don't think it was intentionally to spin him out, but he did hit him hard on to spin him out. Well, you know, this is what makes that place, is you go and use your car and you destroy the other guy's car rather than, you know, I just don't think, that's why I won't go there and watch race. Because, and then I had to listen to Dillner, use words that

did you hear what he said? I heard what he said. I didn't know. Oh, his car is, I don't even know how to say it. It was like catty wampas or something. And I actually had to mute it. But yeah, to go and this guy's running for a championship and to just go spear him under caution one time and then go back and hit him again.

And I just don't, yeah, you got spun out, but I didn't, that's just not, that's just not, I don't agree with that. So I have a wooden idiot. And a what an idiot somebody told us was the gate guard that was asking Mike Helton and Jim France for their hard cards yesterday that wouldn't let them in. Not an ideal situation. But just, listen, I don't know if I woke up in a bad mood yesterday about Bowman Gray or whatnot, but like it just hit me. You definitely did. It just hit me hard that this is embarrassing at this point.

It's not even racing. It's not, you know, and I, and I, listen, I love Matt Dillner. I've been friends with Matt Dillenner. since we're little kids. We come from the same racetrack, Riverhead Raceway. But this has gotten to the point now where, and listen, if you want to tell me, great, oh, 20,000 people show up every week. Yeah, because it's a fucking joke.

It's a sideshow. The same reason why Riverhead Raceway sells out for the school bus demolition derby, and they don't sell out for the modified race. It's a side show. I've seen Sean Corishane said, if you nail a poster to the board that says, we're going to beat a guy with a bat out front of here in an hour, 20,000 people are probably going to show up to see you do that. You know, so it's just, you can't call it racing.

It's an embarrassment to the sport of racing because of that factor. Riverhead Raceway had a deal the other night where they're bouncing off each other and wrecking each other. And you know what they did? They put the guys to the back. The officials stepped in and handled it. That's the reason you see like this happened at Bowman Gray is because the officials don't do anything. That guy knows, that guy, as dumb as that is to go tear your car up and knock the point leader out, he knows he has to do that because he knows the racetracks is not going to take any action against Tim Brown

because Tim Brown just spun him out. We see like two weeks ago, this Amber Lynn and Tommy Neal are fighting in turn one. They wrecked each other. They're fighting in turn one. They're beating on their cars, yada, yada, yada.

The track does nothing to, you know, stop it. And now this week, they're hooking each other and wrecking each other into the opening. And then there's, and then there's freaking,

this guy's taking, trying to steal a golf cart to run into her because his car's wrecked. His wife's on the racetrack, yelling at her. You know, somebody throws a sledgehammer

through the girl's windshield deliver hauler on the way out. Like, what the fuck is going on here? I thought the modified race was bad. I missed all the excitement. This is full-blown Jerry Springer 500 at this point. And Dillner came at me like, you don't understand.

There's great storylines. Chase Robertson, who's a good friend of Mike Robertson, his dad is a good friend of mine. Me and Mike Herman talked to him all the time. He's like, Chase Robertson, that's a great story. He won a championship. Yeah, that's fantastic. Nobody has any idea about that because they're listening to other bullshit that went on all night long over there.

Everything you see out of that place is some idiot running through the infield chasing somebody else. There's people standing around. These cars are running through the infield there. There's guys, cameramen, officials, track workers, whatever it is, standing around in danger. And the fact is that if they don't step in at some point, somebody is going to get seriously hurt at this place.

And then what? You know, we had a guy hit a Jersey barrier wide opening overnight. There was a modified over the railing. And, you know, he went over the wall and is in between the damn grandstands and the wall and the track. it like I get it I get it I it's a novelty I've been before

I go sitting in a beer garden get drunk and laugh at everybody chasing each other around but you it's an embarrassment to the sport of racing and as for a track that should be one of our most storied in the history of our sport

this is what it's come to and I don't know if it's always I know it's always been like that for the last five 10 years maybe it was after that TV show you know hyped it up Matt House definitely hyped it up but you know it just

you get to a point where you're like okay enough is enough You know, and somebody, like, it's just, I don't know where it stops. You would hope at some point. It ain't going to stop. No, they have no reason to stop because they sell it out every week. Because, listen, Madhouse, I couldn't wait to get home on Sunday nights to watch Matt House when it came, when it was on the rumor was, and Ascar bought it and shut it down because it was giving us a bad name. And people are going to buy tickets to this side show you're talking about.

They're going to sell out. They're in a big TV package for them. Their livelihood depends on selling tickets. They're going to keep selling tickets with all these antics going on. I guess my question to you is, is it safe in the stands there? Like, do fans to get in the middle of it and start fighting? I mean, I'm sure, I guarantee there's fights in the stands because there, I mean, the one thing about, I mean, the place is, you know, it's like civil war.

There's, it's, you know, there's the Burt Myers fans or the Myers family fans and the Tim Brown fans or the Chris Fleming fan. And they are very passionate about what they do. But you can't let the inmates run the asylum. Like, there's nobody, there's nobody in control, it seems, over there. And if you start policing it where, all right, you spun that guy out, you're going to the back, maybe this guy don't run through the infield and wreck the guy. My only complaint is you're putting people in danger because people now are just,

they're using their car as weapons. And there's people walking around the infield. There's guys driving through the infield trying to get each other. I was wondering why that guy got on that ranger looking thing. He was trying to wreck her. He was going to run that thing into her. I just flipped saw something on there. And I was wondering what was going on.

Because he was the one that was buried over in the Jersey Barrier. so his car is destroyed, so he's going to get on the golf cart and run that into her. Like, this is ridiculous. It is what it is. Listen, I get it. If you want to go watch it, I'm not going to knock it because I've gone and done it myself. But you can't call it racing anymore. It's gotten to the point where it's a joke now.

But you just heard Matthew Dillner's feelings. I did. And I love Matt. And then like when I see him, we're going to have a constructive argument about it. That's the only thing that I can take away from it is you can have differing opinions and talk about it. But, and I get it. He has to defend him. He's the damn track announcer.

You know what I mean? Like he's he's not going to come out and say, yeah, it's embarrassing. But I know Matthew well enough to know that he would rather see that play out a lot differently on Saturday night than the guy get, you know, he would like that race to stay green. Brandon Ward, who eventually won the Modified Championship, win the Modified Championship instead of all the antics that took place with three to go. Brandon did it. Brandon drove a great race. Yeah. And I've actually raced against him in the goodies to Astries back in a great, great dude.

But like, do you don't see, if it's such a great race, then how come you don't see, you know, a Denny Hamlin going on. up there. These guys that run all this stuff. Why doesn't Kyle Bush go up there? Where's Larsen at? You know what I mean? It's the same guys that have always been there. It's close enough to this area, to Charlotte, which is where most They shouldn't run modifies there. They should just run street stocks or something.

There's nothing wrong with the modifies there. But it's still not really a... I mean, you're not going to see a lot of passing, but that's what it is. You know, but the same point, you can't let these guys... But the way the modifies are there with the tires and I mean, stuff gets tore up so much. But listen, you don't have to go race there.

No, you don't. Moving on to DBC picks. Congratulations, TJ. You won with Christopher. Did you? Wait. I don't have the right page. No, we don't either.

So I was going to ask. You won with Christopher. I got second with Almond Dinger. So you lost. I don't even remember. That's really just the bottom line. Freddie got third. Brett got four.

With Chase. Who did I even have? Elliot. I don't remember who that I picked. Suarez. You picked Suarez. Man, I got some guns. It's like I've been.

saving up for this moment. I got Amarola left. I got what's his name that you were worried about? Cendrick left and I got Keselowski left. Those are my three that I'm looking at. I'm going to have to go with a guy. I'm going to go with Keselowski, T.J. Don't f***ing it up.

Damn, you picked my pick. Thanks guys. I really appreciate it. I will take I'll take Chris Bisher. I'll take Kyle Bush. Wow, you saved Kyle a long time. Well, he's very good of plate racing.

He won a Taldeiogel race. And he actually, did he win? So he wants a no. No, he could have won Daytona. He should have won Daytona. I think he's just in the right, but he'll get out of it eventually. I'm going, Bubba. Good pick.

We're going to ride around last, so just so you know. Daytona will be fun. I'm excited. I'm going to be fun. It's going to be fun. But not crazy. I mean, you have to race. I have to race.

I have to race. Yeah. You guys are going to have to remind me how to do this. It's been a while. Yeah. What was the last time you played? Spotter Plate race? You do the fight?

Talladega. I did Talladega, didn't I? Or did I not? No, I don't think you did. Did you? I don't know. I don't think. No, you ain't done the race since last Talladega.

I did the Daytona qualifying race. And then I did Richmond. Wow. I'm really rusty. Chandler might want to rethink this whole thing. I'm looking forward to it, though. I love Daytona Talladega style racing. I hope I don't say two by two all night because that gets on my nerves.

I got news for you, buddy. And I like to see runs for him and guys make moves and be interesting to see. Obviously, you know, Chandler needs to help his teammates in his situation. So hopefully AJ and Haley can be up there. I'm going to call him if he wants any spotting on Saturday night. He better help that damn 23 on Friday, whatever. But we're out. We're off to Daytona.

We'll see you guys on Monday. Couple things quick. Shout out to Landon Huffman, friend of ours. Big winner. Big win. 30 grand. Cars race, $30,000. Now they can rebuild that limited car that got to Troy.

Somebody said he might want to buy a bar with that 30s. He's going to have to get a little more than that. But it might be a small bar. And shout out to Tommy Baldwin. Tommy obviously announced shortly after the race yesterday that he's stepping away from racing currently to fight a little battle with cancer. I shouldn't say little battle. No battle with cancer was little.

But if anybody knows Tommy, they know that more than likely kick cancers ass because I haven't met many fights he's lost. So think about him, he's done a lot for me in my career and my life in general. Growing up, I've known Tommy pretty much my whole life. So think about him, rocking the old TBR today to show appreciation to him. But heading to Daytona and we'll go see if we can get him a dub. All right. I love it.

Have a great week, everyone. We're off to Daytona. Watch TJ Wear Speedo in Daytona. Word. Check out Dirty Moomedia. Facebook, TikTok, and Instagram.