Door Bumper Clear - 305. Daytona & Chris Rice: It's All About Winning

Episode Date: August 28, 2023

The NASCAR Playoffs are here, and DBC is back from Daytona to discuss it all! Freddie Kraft, Brett Griffin, TJ Majors and Casey Boat welcome in President of Kaulig Racing's Chris Rice. After having to race his way in, Freddie Kraft recaps his night with Bubba Wallace after making the Playoffs for the first time in their career. The group breaks down both Ryan Blaney & Ryan Preece's violent crashes from Saturday night, how they would change the Playoff format, and what the significance of the owners championship is in NASCAR.In Spot On Spot Off, the group talks about Kurt Busch's retirement from racing, Brad Keselowski pushing teammate Chris Buescher to victory and Chase Elliott's seven-year playoff run coming to an end. They also debate whether or not Brad Keselowski should've received a penalty for running his car under the red flag and predict who will make it into the Championship 4. Plus, Chris Rice teases an announcement that will "shock the world!"Learn more about Birch Gold Group: https://freekit.birchgold.com/dbc-gold-ira/Come see us in Las Vegas! 🎟️ BUY TICKETS: https://bit.ly/3OZRNM3DraftKings State-Specific Problem Gambling Information:In Massachusetts, call [phone] or visit gamblinghelplinema.org, In New York, call 877-8-HOPENY or text HOPENY (467369). In Tennessee and Kansas, Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER. On behalf of Boot Hill Casino & Resort (KS). In West Virginia, Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit www.1800gambler.net. All games regulated by the West Virginia Lottery. Please play responsibly. In partnership with Hollywood Casino at Charles Town Races. In Connecticut, Help is available for problem gambling call 888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org. Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

The following is a production of Dirtymoan media. Norse. Clear. Clear by two. Pretty shallow entry. Bumper, clear. Hey, everybody. I'm T.J. Majors.

Spotter, the 6th cup car this weekend, the 8x and 80 car. Brett Griffin, spotter for Chandler Smith. I was out of retirement this week. Ian Freddie? What were you doing? I thought I got lost. I saw you on the roof this week. I know.

I know. It was fun. I passed Brett twice. I was like, who's that guy? I was cursing him because we had a head of steam. coming down a backstretch one time and I'd seen a car pull up in front of us and I was like,

f***, Brett. What's up, Freddie Kratz, Potter for Bubba Wallace and Chandler Smith. Brett, I believe we've brought in one of my 17 bosses is here today. We did. We got the man of the hour

too sweet to be sour. Chris Rice is back in the house. Your favorite boss? Never heard that before. That's what I was going to say. Yeah, yeah, of course. No, it's Bubba Wallace is his favorite boss

because he could not get off a top of him after the race. He was sitting on Bubba. Bubba was sitting on Freddy. I don't guess I can do that. I don't know. I didn't even see him until yesterday. That was fun. No, thanks guys. Thanks for having me back on. It only took me two years to get back over here.

Y'all move studios, don't have air condition. Could somebody please sponsor them to get American condition? We've really gone downhill. Sorry. Somebody sponsor them. Whoever's listening, can you please sponsor them? All they need is some air condition. You can just bring a little windy unit if you want to. Something.

God, I'm sweating. That's why I got this cap off. You sweat through it. Yeah. We're all here for it. We have a good sponsor. Right, Casey? Yes, we do.

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What number was that? What number was that again? That was 9-8-9-8-9-8. Is that okay, T-J? That was actually... You've been practicing. Yeah, that's a good job. Well, I am Spanish, so, you know, figure that I might as well have that in.

So funny story, we had Daniel Suarez and they said, hey, can you count him in in Spanish? I said, no, I can hardly speak English, much less Spanish. I can teach you to worry. Are you fluent? Casey? What is Spanish? No, my grandmother tried. Didn't really work.

What's it like when you have South Boston and Spanish mixed together? Like, what does that sound like? That's funny because we had to have his fiancé sit up there with us because we couldn't understand a word he said. We ran like we didn't understand him either. Could you imagine if there was like a show and it was Daniel hanging out with Ward for a day on the farm? Oh, that would be awesome.

It wouldn't be a full day. maybe 30 minutes. They'd get tired of. They would each need a translator, honestly. There'd be a lot of subtitles in a year. Now, Daniel, you want to catch that snike. That's bad. All right.

Well, back from Daytona, where the Cup Series playoffs are officially set. What did you guys think of the weekend? I thought I had a good races. Great races. Yeah. The thing now, I think, we're going to see with the Cup cars is they get racy when we're all saving fuel. Because we talked about this on here a lot. You're basically setting up your last pit stop.

And there's stumpsages where we were pushing our limits to get to the end of the stage or to the end of the race. You're just putting enough fuel in to get to those marks. And then, you know, you get to what the second stage, I think it was. We're all sitting there riding around like 60, 70 percent throttle. And that's when you've seen Preece and a couple guys get a big run on top. I think AJ did it at one point. He dragged a line up there in a third lane. But that's a product of guys just saving fuel.

Like those guys are up there running 100 percent. Everybody else is running 60, 70 percent throttle. And that's just for the last pit stop. You want to be on pit road as little as possible or the shortest amount of time possible. And so now we're all just riding around saving fuel and you see it get a little more racy because of it. I thought the weekend was great, honestly. Obviously some big wrecks, which I know we'll get to. A lot of different strategies, a lot on the line.

At one point, Freddie came down to me and I said, man, are you good? He said, not really everybody that just got in that wreck has won a race. I need people out here that have already won races. So it was probably a little stressful for you at times, right? You know, I mean, you're kind of trying to do what you can do to control it. You know, you're only in control of what you can, your own car. So, you know, we were, there was one point where we felt like the pack was a little bit sketchy. So we got out and rode around the back and then they all wrecked, obviously, at the end of that second stage.

And we see, the problem is now, like, it used to be like you didn't want to be midpack. You didn't want to be 10th, 12-ish. like the danger zone. Now it's the front two rows. Like it's the wrecks always start from the two guys pushing up front. We saw it last year at the beginning, end of the stage. Denny was pushing Jonesy on the bottom. This week it was Bell getting in the back of the 54. They're leading the lines and they're just so aggressive having to push. And that's where the wrecks start now. So you can't even, it used to be like you could ride in the front or ride in the back. Now you, there's nowhere to hide really unless you get in the back. Yeah, I don't, I thought the race was pretty good.

Like Svini cars are out of control. Hey, how does it feel to win the short track? Everybody else was racing the big track, you run the short track. Yeah, we were in the battle. What was that? The Battle of the Beach. Yeah. Did you get a trophy? You lapped the field like nine times. I know. So, yeah, I thought that was pretty cool. So tell everybody what happened because we nobody knows. Apparently Brad started smelling smoke and he's like, I'm going to fire up in the infield. Or he passed gas one or the other. So he starts to roll. He's like, I'm going to move. I got to move a little bit. I'm going to try to put it out because there was most of the fire safety stuff was off of turn four with the, where the wreck was. So we're running a red flag and he's like, I smell smoke. I'm just going to move a little bit and see if I can get it out.

So I look back there and he's doing circles. So then like three, four other spotters come running there like, hey, you're on fire and I'm like, yeah, yeah, he's getting ready. He's moving or whatever. He did about four or five, five. 100. Yeah. It's 11 laps, I think we can. Well, whatever he was doing, you know, then the fire, you know, he stopped and it was out. But yeah, he's like, I smell smoke. What did NASCAR say? I don't know what caught fire. Brett, you think? Well, it had to be rubber on the head. That's what I thought. I thought it went out. He's pretty smart because they put in these new fire extinguishes to the front of the engine. So if it would have caught fire and lighted it up pretty fast, it would have made it go off.

That would have been bad. Yeah, well, he had quit because you have to have that. We were going to, we had a long stop coming anyway right there. So we were going to lose our track position. We were, we were going to have to take a lot of fuel. So. Did you ask her say anything? over the radio like what? No, by the time, by the time they got there, though, he had already put it out like from driving around. Which I find interesting because at Indianapolis, I was spotting for Landon Castle in the

cup car. And we got parked for moving under red. So it's interesting that there was nothing. Why did you move? We were just rolling. We were done. Why does it matter? What's it mattered?

Well, we're moving. You're moving. Why is one, why does one get parked and one have no penalty whatsoever? Well, they said from the expert. explanation that I was told it was a safety issue because there was a fire. So, I mean, it's, okay, it still should be some kind of penalty. Like, you're moving under red. You should be to the tail.

You should be something. It shouldn't be nothing. Well, I think what you're saying is exactly what I think all the time. Why not be the same? Don't forget the penalty. Yeah, I don't get it. Just be the same thing. Whether it's on fire, not on fire, whether it's moving, not moving.

If we got the definition of us getting parked was because we moved under red, you were moving under red. You were driving around. I know what you're doing. I'm not saying you were doing. saying you were doing anything wrong. They didn't have to worry about any wreckers or anything else being back there because all of us sitting at the entry of pit road waiting for the green flag or the caution to come back out. So they didn't have to wait

for that. You know what I mean? What's the difference between that and Sterling getting out and pulling his fender into 500? Well, I mean, one's getting out to fix damage on his car. You're fixing damage on your car. There's a fire on the car. Okay, but you're still. Sterling was not on fire. I get it as your car, so you're not going to want to admit this. I would say that about any car. I don't want any guy to sit there and catch fire. does. But I'm just saying there should be a penalty. Sterling got a penalty for getting out and making an adjustment to his car under red.

You were inadvertently working on your car under red. Was Sterling? Never worked on a car. But yes. I actually have worked on a car a lot. But to put the fire out, you were moving. Yeah, but let me ask you this.

Under red flagger, you allowed to move. Chris Rice. No, you're not. So my point being was right here is exactly what you're saying, right? You're not supposed to move. You can't drive to pit road. They hold you a lap. So when he was literally getting a competitive advantage, that's where it should have come out, right?

So it should have burned the spark plug wires up. That's not, it should be sitting still. Red flag, you can't work on them. Brad was working on his car. Absolutely. That's where I was like, what is going on? We thought he was trying to be funny. Being funny would have still been to the tail of the field, whatever they do for the red flag,

whatever you get caught for if you're working on your car. They wouldn't bring those cars to pit road, maybe because they didn't know where they went. but like so you wouldn't work on him so that that's where I was he was trying to put a fire out okay that's working on your race car that's that would be my point so let me ask you this though you're talking about the red flag what in your mind is the purpose of throwing a red flag safety for the guys that need to get the cars off of the racetrack the drivers all of it because it's a lot of people haven't there been red flags when there's too much debris too much where they have to clean up and the purpose of the red flag is absolutely safety it's also

to clean up the scene of the accident to the point that when we would draw the red, we're ready to do what? Go racing. Go back racing or open pit road or whatever the next procedure is. When we withdrew the red the other night, the cars that were wrecked went literally everywhere. Like there were several tow trucks that had hooked up to cars. And when they left the scene of the accident, which they should have already left the scene of the accident with these cars, when they left the scene of the accident, they took them

with the wrong pit boxes. Chris one drove in our pit box with our, it wasn't even our car. Well, so AJ said on a radio, he says, if nobody can tell him, tell him to go to pit stall three because he stopped him 40 first off. And then he's riding down pit road, catching signs. And these signs are, they're like $12,000. Like, they're not cheap. And then when he comes about a 13 box, because that's where I was at, I took my headset off and I screamed to him really loud. Pitstall three. The record driver literally, literally, looked at me and went, thank you. That's a true statement. I could not believe it. I was like, oh my gosh, and I got so frustrated and so mad. And I know the tower did. I know they did.

I know it's a lot going on up there. I didn't. They'll probably give us some explanation this week, but like I didn't. I was like everybody else. What is going on? Why is it? Because they don't move. The cars don't move, right, when they have flat tires. It was four flat tires on the 16 car. It wouldn't move. Ricky Stenhouse done one of the best burnouts ever. Maybe you should blow the tires, like puncture the tires when you have, when you want to do a burnout and just sit there and do it. They won't move. They won't move.

So they were trying to get them back to pit road. And they won't push them anymore. They got to hook them up. So they're only on two wheels. So yeah, it was a mess. So that continues to be an issue, though. I think Joe Lugano had an issue a few weeks ago in Pocono. With this new car, how are they going to fix that?

You can't. You can't fix it because they have no ride hype rules. And then us as owners are, we don't want to tear up the bottom of the car because it's so expensive. So we just have to deal with it. We got to figure out how to deal with it. I mean, it's just one of those things that I'm going to sit here and say, I don't think it's on NASCAR.

It's probably more on us because we don't want the bottom of the car tore up. As you've seen when that car went and flipped, that underneath is very expensive. You know, I actually brought it with me when Justin Haley wrecked at Pocono on the last lap, how much that cost just for the bottom half of the race cars a lot. So that's what happens is when you don't want them to drive and the bottom side of the race car getting tore all the pieces because it's so expensive. Last time we had you on here, it was actually to talk a lot about this new car,

which was a couple years ago when it was being tested and getting ready to come out. And one of the things that NASCAR sold you on, and not you specifically, but the sport in general is that this car is going to have cost savings. Are we there yet? No, we're still a couple of years from it. I think we're still trying to learn. You know, we've done some testing. We actually done some testing for the guys to try to make the racing better.

So I still think we're a couple of years from it. I'm still going to go on record and say, it will help us. It is going to help us. It has equalized the racing. I think some organizations or some OEMs find some advantages. Like I would say, Roush Fenway right now has found something that is probably not illegal. They just found advantages of whether their floor needs to be a certain spot or something because they just all of a sudden became competitive.

We found an advantage. We went from running dead last at the first part of the year to where now we compete 10th to 15th. So it has made the racing better. You don't see Hendricks win in every race. You don't see Gibbs winning every race. So I still do like the car. I don't like what happened Saturday night with the car's getting drugged back to the pit stall. Priests flip.

I don't like any of that. And I think we still got a lot of work to do to fix that. Thank goodness priest was able to get out of the car. I think probably the biggest thing, and I checked on him this morning, I didn't talk to him. You probably have talked to him, Freddie, is the how many times it rotated is what got him messed up. I don't think the hits got him so messed up. I think how many times it rotated. Yeah, it just seemed like talking to him a little bit, you know, and I really haven't talked to him directly,

but I've talked to him directly, but not much into detail about how he's feeling. And the biggest thing I think is, like we've said, and we talked about this on here before, like, why are we driving a car that's not as safe as the last car was? And we don't, obviously, it's hard to know all these scenarios, but that car yesterday had no chance of staying on the ground. Like the second it turned sideways back there, it was a jet flying through the air. Like,

I've never seen a car that high flying through the air in my life at a racetrack. I have. And it was Elliot's car at Talladego. It was Elliot's car there and also at Michigan. Yeah, that's right. But you've seen, like, you've seen the roof hatch blow off the thing. The window net somehow flew open. Well, if you go back, so I went back and watched it,

and then we have our engineers right now. That first hit. That first hit. So it moved. So the Wendonet hooks right here, right? Like y'all all know, the hooks right here. It moved it down about three or four inches, which it done its job.

It didn't move back there. It moved up here. So when it moved down, it made that loose. Yeah. And that's what made it come down. So it seems like, he got hit in the face with a lot of stuff. And that's the biggest problem. I understand why the roof hatch come off.

Yeah. That's what got me. It come off before it hit the ground. Yeah. Oh, yeah. You know, when it hit on the side, though, there maybe something went in there and hit the inside of the roof hat. and pushed it open that way.

Now, Denny talked about it on action denture metal. What? I mean, do we remove the grass? How, like, would that make a difference? He said some, Casey, I found interesting. He said that the car was airborne before it hit the grass. I didn't really think that was accurate at all. No, I was.

It was. Like as soon as he turned, it started to take off. And then when it hit the grass is when it started that violent tumble. So it almost led to me, it was sliding. And then when it hit the grass, that's when it really. The grass enabled the dig in. The problem was, is the car directly on the side? of it. So the air was not able to come back over the car and keep it on the ground. That was the

problem. They'll never be able to fix that. That's not a, that's not a point they're going to unless we're going a lot slower. Unless we're going a lot slower, which we need to go slower, my opinion, because we race better. You look at Atlanta. Look how many times we passed at Atlanta versus how many times we passed at Daytona. We need to race slower, I would say, just so the racing is better. It's tougher on the spotters. I will say that. So the car, when it got turned sideways it was another one here. That's what happened. So the air couldn't come back and it was just one long

long area. I don't think we're ever going to stop a car at that speed. I think the chance of flipping over is always going to be there going that fast. And like the only way to probably get that down is to get 20, 30 mile an hour out of them. It's been a long time since I've seen a cup car flip and look like it was a sprint car flipping.

Because of the revolutions per second in the flip, right? I will say this about the grass though. I'm all for if you make a mistake having a penalty, right? But at a Super Speedway. If grass is a problem, do away with it. It's not that hard to do away with it. They have plenty of time right now to do away the grass tall. Caledega is all paved down the back. The front's not. I know, but I'm saying, yeah, yeah, but I'm saying the back. The back

back is, but yeah, I mean, the front at Talladega could. And I'm all for grass at other tracks. I know some people aren't like Dale Jr. But at Super Speedways, take it out. All right, back to Colleg Racing. So you guys... Oh, by the way, I brought you guys something to talk about Colleg Racing. What did you bring? You got to get rid of that hat. I got you a collie hat and I got you guys some colic balls. I know. Collic balls.

You guys, yeah. I know you guys don't play golf, but. What are collic balls like? You can throw them at people. They're golf balls. Oh, they're golf balls. Now we have L.A. golf, so these are not L.A. golf, but we have some coming. Freddie has a nasty slice on his golf swing.

Yeah. He slices a lot of things. I line up usually about 50 yards to the left, and every once in a while, just hit one straight into the woods. Yeah, I brought you guys some gifts. I was going to bring y'all bourbon, but after Tal. After Daytona, you guys didn't eat, brother. Your guy. Y'all still waiting on that bottle of Pappy that 20 years.

Y'all smell like y'all been in a brewery already. I know it's not. No, it ain't. Amen. It's to say it's the two guys on your life. It's coming from your left, I feel like. And y'all was able to go Saturday night, so it must have been a long Saturday night. Well, we were all Sunday.

It's a good, good day to be all. You've been off a lot this year. You guys, I have been awful a lot. Thank God. You guys have grown a lot since you were here a couple years ago. Obviously, running two full-time cup cars, three Exfinity cars in the cup cars. in the Cup series this year, there's been a lot of rumors as to what Matt's intentions are.

Yeah, well, we're not selling charters. Are you sure? I'm 1,000% sure. We're not selling charters because Matt and I was talking about it. I was the guy that signs right below Matt when you have to have somebody like something happens to Matt that would be able to make decisions on it. And yeah, we're not selling charters. We're not even interested in selling charters.

You know, Justin Haley's moving on in which we made that decision a couple of weeks before he had made his. And it was, you know, we love Justin. He'd been there. He's been there five years. And we bought our charters from Justin and the Braun group, actually from Spire. So it was a great relationship and will always be a great relationship with Justin Haley. So, but yeah, we're not selling charters. We actually have it all signed up and ready to go.

And it is going to be, oh, sorry, I'm not going to tell you. Oh, you're going to tell us who it is on the show? I'm not telling you. I'm not telling you. And it's actually going to surprise the world, I think. I think that, you know, everybody tries to figure out what's going on and what we're doing, but we're not selling charters. Matt Colleg's in it for the long haul.

You never know. We might add a car in Xfinity series or something like that. With who? You're going to drive them in casing. Yeah. You almost got me. What kind of motors are y'all going to run next year? Chebys.

We love Chevy. If you don't, you can't tell. We love Chevy. But, yeah, we're not selling charters. I just want to make sure that, you know, everybody that thinks Matt's going to sell a charter. He's got some text. I've got a lot of texts. People have met with us.

You may say it again? We're not selling charters. We're not interested in selling charters. If somebody wants to sell a charter, let us know we might be interested in buying a charter. But we're not selling a charter just because we haven't announced the driver. Next thing I will touch on real quick is the owner's championship format. There's a lot of talk about Bubba Wallace, obviously making his first playoff. Congratulations, Freddie.

driver's championship but the Chase Elliott car the nine car is in the owner's championship I am of the belief that fans could care less about an owner's championship and it's more important yeah they can so they care less about it as they I could care less about it realistically why does the owner's championship matter so much to you guys well it pays that's what you know that's what pays and then you split it with the driver or you do do vice versa that's what pays because the owner is Well, you can't, so Chase goes out and has an accident and breaks his leg. Well, Rick's car still races, right? So he's got to be able to make his money back or do the things he needs to do.

So he will build a race for the championship in a nine car. I mean, he's going to do a great job. And we need Chase Elliott in the playoffs. We really do. I mean, it's one of those things. We need Bubba Wallace in it. I mean, it's one of those things. We need those guys in it.

So you have to have the owners, like the 10 car and Xfinity, is in the playoffs because it's won three races and it's going to be in the playoffs. Now, we're going to do something a little different with that car when we go into the playoffs to make it a little bit easier for the fans to understand. But it is very valuable to have our owners be able to race for something. Because if we don't have the Mac colleagues of Rick Hendricks, Jack Rouse when he started, we don't have those guys, Dale Jr. We don't have racing.

I don't mean this in a bad way, but how many drivers are going to get out and start their own race team other than Denny Hamlet. They're not going to do it. So we have to have these owners to be able to, Justin Marks, all these guys, Richard Chirutris, to be able to have drivers to be able to race. So they got to be able to race with something in case that driver gets hurt. And correct me if I'm wrong, but the owner's points is what values your charter, right? That's correct.

Yeah. So, I mean, the champion gets a bigger portion or, you know, their charter is worth more than the guy that finishes 30th and points. By how much is. And by what worth more, you mean earn more money during the race. Yes. So with a lot of people get confused, it's historical, and it's over three years that you have historical. So charter one, if you finish first in the championship and then 30th, that changes where your historical is at, right?

Like if our charters, when we bought them, they were, I don't know, just say they were 30th. And we finished above 30th last year, and it looks like we're going to finish above 30th this year and points. So the historical will come up. Well, you know, everybody knows that we're in the middle of working through 2025 and trying to figure it out. So that might go away. We don't know, but we're still racing for it in 24. And it does change how much you get a percentage of the money that you get from the TV money. I was not involved in when the charter stuff started, your guy was, Newmar.

And they've done a really good job of trying to figure out the guys that have been here forever. Like, they should get more piece of the pie, right? And then the guys that just coming in get less. Now they're in the belief that everybody's kind of equal. I think Newmar and everybody else is kind of equal. so I don't know how it works, but it is a very good system, and it's worked really well. And my dummy, South Boston, had to figure it out, and it's been a while. How far long are you on the owner talks with NASCAR?

I'm not involved with the talks with NASCAR, but I think our group has done a really good job of working really hard at trying to get the most for the owners. Who leads that effort? Is it Steve Newmark, Wither Al-Nus? Newmar, you know, Jeff Gordon's involved, different people involved that have done a really, really good job. 23xI has done a really good job. We're, we're, you like that, then. Everybody does it. They don't do 11.

But they've done a really good job, and I've been very fortunate to understand the business side of it. I was talking to Newmar. Newmark. No, I call him Newmar. He looks at me like I'm crazy. Sorry, Steve. Can I just call him Steve? Steve, yeah.

Steve. Yeah, thanks. I appreciate it. And Dave Alpern, you know, I was talking to those guys. I look up to those guys because they're so smart in business. Those guys are really, I've learned a lot from them because I worked on the cars. I was a spotter. I built shocks. I've done stuff like that. But to listen to those guys talk and understand what they understand has been fascinating to me. So you're pretty far down the road on the future. You feel good about it? I feel really good about it. I think some don't. Freddie? Well, I do. You feel good about it? You feel good about it? One of your boss, man? Does he feel good about it? Bubba?

Yeah. Is Bubba your boss or Denny your boss? Both? Both? He reports directly to Michael Jordan. Yeah. Me and MJ. He dropped sneakers off my house every once in a while. I got to meet MJ.

So one of my favorite, like so I'm a Carolina fan, Go Heels, and Michael Jordan was one of my favorite athletes growing up. And I got to meet MJ at Daytona. This race last year, I got to meet him. And dude, when I walked in in the room that I was in, he was in there, Rick Hendrick's in there. Richard Petty's in there and I'm thinking myself, dude, all these guys were my heroes growing up.

And I shook Michael's hand and I swear his fingers come up to hear on my hands. It was amazing. Brett's still not talking to me because he didn't get to meet him that one day. To Glenn. To Glenn. I didn't think nobody. When's the last time you've seen Brett in the garage? I mean.

He didn't come. He said, I need a rental car. I need a rental car. I want to come in on Saturday. Listen to this. I want to come in on Saturday. I need a rental car. Brett, why do you need a rental car?

The racetracks like three quarters a mile across the red. Yeah, right. Well, I got to go here and got to do. this. I got sponsored obligations. By the time he got to the racetrack, he had three beers. I had to go get some charredoard-o oysters. That's why I didn't get a car. Sponsor obligations. He said, he warned you.

Last thing, again, now that you mentioned this, the playoffs. And I'm curious where you guys, your heads at. I was a part of the playoff when it started and it was 10 cars. It's now 16. That is probably 16 out of 28 contenders. is 16 too many. Yeah, I think so. And I mean, this is coming from the guy that just got in the 16th car.

It's just, it's, I don't know, I feel like it's half the field. You know, it's, I like the Xfinity series. What the numbers there is 12. You see good cars miss it. Like, I feel like in trucks, you see good trucks miss it. You know, I think it should be now. I like 10. I mean, you'd have to lay out to format differently because you can't, you know, the numbers

don't work out the same. But, I mean, I like make it hard. It's the playoffs. It's not supposed to be easy to get in. Like, you know, it is what it is. But, like the number 10. That was a nice round number for me, and you should see good cars miss it. I think it's close.

I do think it's a little bit too many. I think it's, I do think, I don't know, I think maybe 12, maybe somewhere in that area. I mean, it should be, like Freddie said, it should be really hard to get in. I tell you what I like. If it's going to be 16, and listen, I understand the importance of it. If you're not in the playoffs, it's almost like you become irrelevant for 10 weeks. You have to work really hard to run up front.

Otherwise, the TV broadcast partners don't, they don't cover you, right? But I feel like if it's going to be 16, week one, let's go ahead and get rid of one. Week two, let's go ahead and get rid of one. Week two, let's get rid of two. I'm going to ask you this question. So I disagree with all of y'all. I think it should only be winners. You can't, the Giants can't make it to the Super Bowl by losing by one point,

but they pointed their way in. That's my opinion, and I've been very vocal about that. I think you should win to be in the playoffs, to be able to go for a championship. A.J. Almondinger had a 6.6 average finish in Xfinity last year and didn't make it to the Final Four. Because you needed to win, those guys done a better job leading up to the Final Four.

We didn't deserve to be in there. Somebody asked me, you know, we had a shot to make it to the playoffs this year. We didn't deserve to be in the playoffs. It never bothered me one bit, because I would rather finish 17. in points than finish last in the playoffs. That would be, that would worry me, I don't like making the second round of qualifying and qualifying 10th.

Yeah. It bothers me worse than qualifying 11th. So I think you should win. What do we have this year? 15, 14 winners? 14. 14. So it should be 14.

13. So it should be 13 cars, right? Yeah, I agree that we race all year. Well, let's have two different points. Okay, so the guys that didn't win, now we're racing for that championship also. We're racing for the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, are the whole thing, and now we've got two different championships going on when we get to when we get to Phoenix. And man, what you talking about some drama? Because what happens is,

is now TV doesn't have enough time to talk about all 36 or 40 cars. They have to talk about the playoff guys, right? Like, so you'll never see, you'll probably never see Justin Haley again. You won't even know he's racing the last whatever races, right? Like, and that's tough on TV, and that's tough on everybody, because you've got to get all those guys in. The six car, if he's having a bad day, you're going to spend 25 laps talking about it. If he's having a good day, if both, they're going to talk about Bubba, right? Because he's got to, he's got to overperform now to make the next round. So I would say just winners. So if that's, if that ends up being 12, that ends up being 12, guarantee you you'll have a lot more wrecks for the win if it's only

winners. But doesn't that provide less of an advantage, like to Brett's point where sponsors may have an issue and be less likely to support a lower budget team because they likely won't win? Well, I don't think it's a low-budget team in cup racing right now. I think they're all having to spend a lot of money to be able to go race. They're going to go like, yeah. So Phoenix, if a 23 car didn't have a sponsor, they could sign one today because they have a shot. They have a shot to make it to Phoenix, yeah. So that is a good point.

And that's on us, though. That's on the race teams to go and get into playoffs. So, I mean, I don't blame, I don't blame the 16 guys that are in it or TV. Anyway, that's on us. We got to go get in it. We need to go win. To your point, you're not a championship caliber team if you're not winning. 100%.

Like the Kansas City Chiefs couldn't win a Super Bowl last year if they didn't win. Like they couldn't make it to the Super Bowl. Like, you know, and it is a great system. And we, man, you think back when Jimmy Johnson won so many, Dale, Dale Earnhardt won so many, that was a great system too. Then we changed into something else. Is it time or should we look at something to where it's only winners or something like that? You know, and I mean, it's a great debate, right?

It's just a debate. I'm not making that decision. I'm sitting back. I love watching the playoffs. I think they got some great cars in it. I think you're going to see some teams bring out some heavy hitting stuff when we get to Darlington this coming up week. I mean, I think you'll definitely see Kyle Larson really, really fast. I think those guys will pull the belts tight.

And, yeah, they won't bring what they say, their playoff cars anymore. So the three drivers that haven't won, Bubba Wallace, Kevin Harvick, Brad Kislawful. right we're agreeing right now at least you and i agree chris rye's and i that those three aren't going to make the championship round if you look at it by stats they shouldn't i mean by stats i mean kevin harvick probably has your best opportunity right um but you even watch his interview after the race he wasn't happy because they asked him how he's going to do he's he's not answering that right like you i mean i mean i think he would say the same thing if you asked him right now should you be in the

playoffs. He'd probably say no. I don't know. I don't know what he would say, but he wants to win. That dude's a winner. Like he's going out his last year and he wants to win. So he needs to figure out how to win. And I'll guarantee he does for the end of the year because that's just the way Kevin Harvick is. One more topic before we heading to spot on, spot off. Earlier this morning, Legacy Motor Club announced that Carson, host of our previous guest of DBC will pilot the 42 this weekend. Is this a sign of maybe where Carson might be headed next year? or what do you guys think about that? No, it's not a sign of where he's heading next year.

I mean, it was Josh Barry heading there too? I mean, I think this is, I think Carson may be heading to the Cup series. I don't think it's going to be a legacy. But the, you know, this is just another young talented driver. And he did a phenomenal job at Gateway. Gateway when he did a really good job. Until I think they broke a brake road or something. He was running like 15, 16th when that thing broke.

So, I mean, more props to him again, like we've talked about. He did a good job yesterday. He got off sequence, I think. I was kind of half-ass watching the race. We were at Bubba's, and it seemed like I stayed out, and Kraus was out there, and I think he faded back to seventh or eighth, but host of our was able to stay up there and run. I think he finished second, so he did a really good job yesterday, too.

He managed that really well. He did a good, so at the end of the truck race, you probably didn't watch it. I watched it. Did the guys that stayed out there? They had another set of tires still? Kraus said he had a set laying in the box. Okay, so all them guys that cycled in the top 10 there, that's why I guess, got real exciting with them guys bussing through there which is cool that i'll tell you what man i've

never been to milwaukee but i've seen a handful of races there i've never seen him run that high on that race track i mean they can run all over the place it actually looked really really good like look fun yeah gms racing closing down the truck series yeah been big deal for they come they announced that this week and anything that goes out and dominates um because cool for him grants an awesome guy um does that mean you're going to start a truck team chris no have you ever thought about Oh, yeah. We definitely thought about it. We thought about it hard last year and thought about it really hard this year. And it just, it didn't pan out. Is it economics of it? What is it? No, it's more about you need OEM support, right? Like we have OEM support and Xfinity. We're a key partner in Xfinity and we're a second tier key partner in Cup. And, you know, they have Kyle Bullish and all them. So it's more about can you get the drivers and can you get the OEM support? Because that's kind of where it's at. That's where it speeds out.

I thought GMS. I mean, they've had a handful of young up-and-coming drivers. I think, you know. You can pick out. The two's been fast this year. Rajas had some good runs. The two's not GMS. Oh, I'm sorry.

That's right. My bad. Yeah, ever, whatever. Yeah. Chad Boughton needs to start a truck team. Yeah. Again. He already did it once.

He didn't necessarily start it. But yes, it's been in top of Humbers. He'd like the end field paved, wouldn't he? He's the next step. So where is Carson going? Do y'all know? I mean, a big rumor is the 77, if we're being honest with each other, right? Unless he's going to 31.

Never can't tell. Never can tell. He announces it, like, right after the show drops. You see, I've seen Majeski. Majeski's probably lucky he won IRP because I think he's getting ready to get smashed with a fine. What do you think he was doing? The point's fine. There's some rumors about possible bleaters in the tires.

What's a bleeder? bleating. Oh yeah, because you don't know what a bleeder is. He bleeds out of his arm. Yeah, that was Brett when he was scratching his arm in Richmond. We got a bleeder. We got a bleeder. When Brett was scratching his arm in Richmond, it started bleeding that day.

As soon as that 39 took the lead, it started bleeding, didn't it? 39 is going to win this race. I was spotting my ass off for the 10 car the other night because we needed you guys to win. And I'm like, if this 10 needs to stay covered, I'm like, he's still covered. He's still covered. And then he got like, he almost got clear of the four. And I thought he's going to have a head of steam coming on you guys. On the backstretched there?

Yeah, I was telling. Somebody bumped him Kevin again and boxed him. Oh, we're good now. He's not getting down there. We were, I think we weren't trying to get too far out. And we backed up enough right then to stay together. And it kept him boxed in. And when he couldn't get clear, I'll tell you what I was surprised at is.

I was surprised when Kevin was clear on the bottom in three and four coming to the white fly that he didn't go to the top because the 10 was on the top behind him right there. I'm not saying we wouldn't have went up with him or slid up in front of him, but he didn't even make an effort to do it, which kind of surprised me because the 10 was up there. Yeah. Racing season is well underway, and it's time to go full throttle. Feel the excitement of every lap like never before with Draft King Sportsbook. Right now, new customers can bet just $5 and get $150 and bonus bets instantly, no matter what goes down on the track. Download the Draf King Sportsbook app now with code DBC.

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Spot on. It was super fun yesterday to ride around there. I am spot off. Damn. Where did he come from? First topic. Kurt Busch announces retirement from the Cup series after saying he is still not 100% from a head injury over.

a year ago. Spot on, spot off. Chris? Well, I don't know that's a spot on, spot off, because it's a serious situation, right? I think it's a, I talk to Kurt a lot, and I'm glad he's retiring. I'm glad he's saying, hey, I'm hanging a helmet up, but man, we need to get him healthy, is the key. But the dude's done so much for the sport that people don't even realize. And I didn't realize that I'm sitting in a driver's meeting the other day, and they played a video. So he's going to help us with our safety immensely, I mean, throughout. But congratulations to Kurt Bush over his career, but mainly praying for his head injury and trying to get him well.

Yeah, I agree with Chris. It's not really a spot on, spot off because Kurt, probably one of the most raw talented drivers that have ever driven in NASCAR, really talented, and definitely want Kurt. He's done a ton, even after the fact, he's done more for 23, you know, 11 than as being a mentor for them guys and being there. And Denny did right by getting Kurt. That was a heck of a person to get to start over there.

And one thing that is kind of already taking place is, did you see when the 12 wrecked this week? Did you see how far how much the front of the car crushed him? Well, it went to the engine. It went all the way to the engine, which is good. we hit the wall in the 500 just like that and it didn't move like we got turned same way he did and it was it scared me but like when i saw that car come on the safer barrier and the front of that car absorbing all that impact man i mean i mean i text blaney after the race too just checking on him and stuff and man good you know what i mean like so glad he could walk away from that he was on pit road after the race just so you know i walked by and he's in he's in seabell's face i was going to say i think he was looking to talk to somebody he's not a fighter but he's in seabell's face and i was like oh he's He's okay. Yeah. I'm obviously spot off. He's not 100%. You know, that sucks. I'm spot on for the career that he's had. You know, he came out of trucks, the killer bees with Rouse Racing, and he was one of the few guys that came from trucks, went straight to cup, and immediately started

hauling ass. I mean, when he got in that 97 Sharpie car, man, it was no time. Boom, he won Bristol. I'll never forget he won Bristol that night. I think we had won it in the spring, so it would have been 2001, and then he wanted in the fall and he came over to Elliott's bus, man. We sat around drinking moonshine telling stories, man. It just was a cool. It's cool to see a guy, like y'all said, with that much talent, get opportunity, take advantage of it, and win everywhere he went. Yeah.

I mean, I didn't know Kurt before he came to 23-11 and just seeing the impact he's had at our place for the last couple years is, and it doesn't matter. Like, if you have a question, like Kurt's do you go-to guy? Like I was sitting in the lounge talking to him about how we thought the race was going to play out yesterday. And like just asking for advice of what do you think we should be looking for here? What do you think Bubba needs to be doing mindset wise? I know Tyler leans on him a lot. Like he's coined himself the captain of the fun department.

And if you do know Kurt, he doesn't know how to have fun. He doesn't have fun. So but now he won't. I forget he's got a new title. He named himself the other day like the chief vision officer at 2311 or something. So which he's, but you know, just he's a phenomenal. phenomenal teammate, somebody that we've leaned on heavily for the last couple years, and it's just, it's a shame to see his career get cut short like that. It was cool to see the tribute before the race.

Obviously, they recognize him in driver's meeting. He announced his retirement at 3 o'clock, but it's cool to see that. We need more of that when guys hang it up. Celebrate their careers. Dude, how about him going around on the Indy 500, though, man? He was kind of the pioneer for any of our guys to go and do that. And for him to go there and be, I mean, he legit had a shot to win the Indy 500. Yeah. Yeah. If you think about it. he had two careers. He had his career and he saved his little brother after he was, he came in. Kyle's got a lot of talent, but remember he started out really, really rough and he kind of saved his career. He talked to him and you think about that. So he had two careers.

Moving on, spot on, spot off. Brad Kislauski locks to Chris Buster's bumper and pushes him to the win for going a chance at his first victory as RFK team owner. I'm, I'm spot on for this because it didn't, I mean, we didn't, I mean, we didn't, we nothing materialized our goals were to race out of turn four so one of us win the race if we make the move it into the backstretch I'm not so sure that someone doesn't put us three wide and we throw the race away the only way to guarantee a win is to race off a turn four to the start finish line of my opinion if you get side by side before that you never know what's going to happen and I think we had had many meetings about this we had talked through this scenario we had talked about where we would line up if we were first second third you know We'd already talked over this. And Harvick wasn't in a good spot, especially as well as Brad and Chris worked together.

I'm sure it's, you know, people have noticed how well those cars, you know, when Brad and Chris get together, you know, how good they can be together. They talk about it a lot, too. We've talked about it a ton. So it's not surprising to be in that scenario and know that they're not going to leave.

If we get a run, you know, if somebody could have got to us coming out of four, Brad's going to probably, Brad's going to make the move to win the race, but he's not going to, he's not going to, to sacrifice a company win for it. And the best chance that we had was to stay locked to Chris until we got to that, I want to say, safe spot of one of our cars going to Victory Lane.

And, you know, it had been nice to get side by side, but just the runs that materialized, those guys got to race them behind us. When they get to racing behind you, I've won a lot of plate races when that happens. I mean, you get out front and guys start racing, that's the best scenario to be in the lead. And it's nice because Brad and Chris have this team work. mentality where they're going to put they're going to do whatever they can to be first and second or one of them win the race and guarantee it and it's hard to have that at a lot of places because

the you know i've seen your guys do it a lot they stay with each other and you that's the best chance you can but it's so hard to get these drivers to stay committed to that and these two guys are committed to that if it was chris it had been locked to us until and i wouldn't you know i think chris would have made a move in the line but he should you know but the only way to guarantee that is to show that commitment and be with each other until that last second. And it just didn't materialize behind us. You guys just do a really good job at that at Penske, like working together. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, it was great. So where you learned it? Yeah, it was great, man. Yeah. Listen, I was a thousand percent spot on for you staying on that 17s bumper. Last thing you won. It's another winner. I said, please don't get the race.

I let this 10 get in there and do something. Because he was the one that I thought was the... I wanted the 10 to split the... the 9 and the 48 up, but, you know, because I didn't, you never know, man, they get a good run down there. But it's definitely harder for the Chevys to stay linked together down, you know, especially on the bottom. Like, did you see how far? You guys, the Ford's actually have a some sort of advantage of the speedways right now. And yeah, we can't stay together.

We push. If you watch the cars move up the racetrack, we arrow push really, really bad. So I'm spot on 100%. Y'all know I am for that teamwork. But also, Brad was thinking that's more playoff points, right? So he wasn't just thinking about the win. It's more playoff points. And if he can get to 17 to win the championship, that's a win.

We're also-out season for Chris Buster, man. I mean, win three races in one year. Obviously, William Byron, breakout season for him, win five-ra. Anytime you win more races than one year than you've won in your entire career, that's big. And he's won at three different style of racetracks. I mean, nobody saw this coming. Rouse Finway puts both cars in the playoff.

This is a massive statement they've made this year. I mean, you're the fastest forge right now. Who'd have thought that? I mean, where'd you, like, do you guys have? ended up like fifth and sixth in points. Yeah, that's what I was going to tell you, man. The biggest thing to me is, is we're fifth and sixth in the points overall. Like, that's, that's huge, man. They went to L.A. Coliseum last year and both of them missed the race. They were terrible. We didn't make the race issue either. Oh, sorry. Damn. We finished last at the dirt race. Does that matter?

We didn't make the Galizium. I said with Brennan the whole race and watched it in the stands. Bushers seated fourth right now in the playoffs. Yeah, I'm talking regular point standings. Yeah, but like even in the playoffs standings too. Another thing, too, is two of them wins could have easily been the six. You know what I mean? Richmond, we were right there. That's what I tell myself too.

Well, I'm saying we were running with Chris at Richmond. But it's a cool thing. Both cars are fast at the same times. They are. They've got speed. Yeah. Another hot topic. Chase Elliott missed the playoffs ending a seven-year run that included

championship four appearances in three consecutive seasons and the 2020 Cup Series title. Spot on, spot off, Brett. Obviously spot off. I mean, like Chris said, we need our most popular driver in the playoff in the postseason. I mean, it's like the Dallas Cowboys having a crappy year, you know, after winning the Super Bowl the year before. But, I mean, listen, people like Bubba Wallace benefited from it.

I mean, if you put Bubba, I'm sorry, if you put Chase and Bowman back into this thing and they run every single race, it changes who potentially is 15th and 16th and who makes it in and who doesn't, right? So it's part of racing, and I am of the belief when Chase Elliott injured himself, that that's part of the life. It was an accident. The guy's snowboarding, right? He's not doing anything that's overly dangerous, not at the level to which he can snowboard.

So it sucks, but I really feel like, and we talked about this on here a few weeks ago, this team isn't leading laps. And if you're not leading laps, you're not going to win races. And it's not. Chris Rice, would you hire Alan Gustafson tomorrow if you had a chance? Oh, good. Gracious, yeah. Yeah, he's good. I mean, he's one of the best. Yeah. So it's not a crew chief thing. It's not a driver thing. They've got to find some speed.

And honestly, the pressure's finally off of them. The pressure's been on. They'll probably win all of the races. The pressure has been immensely on Alan Gustafson and Chase Elliott. Ever since Chase Elliott got back in the car after missing all this race. Well, you try to find ways to manufacture wins. Like you're not racing for the win. You're trying to manufacture it, right? Like, because they haven't qualified well. They haven't done things that they needed to do. And what I mean by that is you got to do something different. Perfect example is Walkins Glen. They ran out of gas trying to do something different.

Trying to do some different. And it messes you up mentally. I don't care what you say. It messes you up mentally no matter what. So we need him in there. So I would say, Spot off. Yeah, spot off.

Whatever you want to call it. But I hate he got hurt. Yeah. Like the drivers and people have to have fun. So we can't say, oh, don't go have fun. So, I mean, I hate he got hurt. Where do you? So I know, like, just.

use Justin as an example. Justin likes to go run his dirt modified every once in a while. Like does he have to get permission from the team? Like obviously you're never going to tell these guys they can't, you can never do something. But like each time he wants to go run, like how does that process work? Well, he, yes, he does, but we've done a deal with him where if he wants to run his modify, go run it as many times as you can. Actually, we wanted him to go run his modified to race more.

AJ's situation, he doesn't want to race, right? He wants to go play golf. So, yeah, but he ran the GMS truck one. time and he had to get permission. But we want those guys to go race. You know, I'm kind of on the fence when we look at the sprint cars. I mean, I think Kyle Larson does a really good job. I watch them every night. Thank goodness for the high limits racing because I do. I watch them every time they own. But I'm on the fence with that. We love dirt vision. Yeah, dirt vision. Love dirt vision, whatever you want to say. It's one of those things where you still, you've got to go, yes, go race because

they need race craft. These kids need race craft. So they need to race as much as they can. I don't think Kyle Larson, I think that's in his words when he comes in there. Can I race a swimmer car? Okay, now we'll talk. Yeah, yeah. That's a box got to get you. He honestly didn't think Kendrick Motorsports was going to be an option because he didn't think they would let him race him.

And he and Jeff Gordon got together with the help of a driver that I used to work with. He facilitated a conversation and they were like, if we get a chance to get a talent like this, we'll let you race whatever the hell you want. He is fun to watch this rent car. And then that allowed, you know, by them. letting Kyle do that. It allowed William and Chase to go and they go run these super late model races. And it's amazing. Yeah, Bowman. Like, you know, he went, I mean, unfortunately he got hurt. But, you know, he was running a

sprint car a bunch. He's running his midget some. But then, you know, when you see the crowds of people at these races, when these guys go over the short track racing, and it's phenomenal. Like, what they can do for the sport just by showing up to a late model race is, it's only benefiting us. I think, I'm on Chris's side here when he says they, the seat time they're getting, they're learning. they're, man, they're sharp, you know. And not to mention if, you know, Alex Bowman doesn't go run that sprint car, maybe he's snowboarding and breaks his, you know what I mean? You never know.

You can't stop these guys from living life. One thing before we jump out of spot on spot off, I just want us to touch on it. Like when you look at Daytona, right, and I've been landing there for 20-something years, and every time I land there. You had tears in your eyes. I literally, but I get excited when I land there, no matter what time of year. You want a spot again next year? Probably.

Yes. Did you say full-time? I did say it. No, no, no, you snuck that in on me. I don't know for there yet. But literally, I get excited driving into that tunnel. I don't know how a driver can land there and drive into that tunnel and be excited. Because when you look back at Jeff Bodine's wreck and that truck getting into one, you look at Ryan Newman's wreck. You're saying not be excited. Okay. Yeah. I mean, look at Austin Dillon's wreck.

Look at Ryan Blaney on Saturday night. Look at Ryan Priest. It's a bad time to be a Ryan, by the way. Ryan Priest's on Saturday night. Like, how would the hell do these guys have the balls? We were talking about balls earlier. Chris gave us balls. How do you have enough balls to buckle in and do what these guys do with that place?

Because it's still fun, man. Do you get out there and race it? It's still, if that's us on Go Cars drafting, dude, you're having a blast. It's their job. Yeah, and they're not normal. They decided it. Yeah, they're not normal to begin with. They decided it. I agree. I'm not getting in that car. I drove one of them Daytona ride-long experiences down there.

Skid to be a shit out of me. I'm telling you. I rode to Indy car one time. Scared to get it out of me. I'm not doing that now. I run Indy cars there. I'm not going. I went to Indianapolis, rode in it, and my helmet wanted to fly off. And I'm not a small dude. I'm a big dude. I'm sitting in this thing trying to hold my helmet on. I'm like, please pull over.

We see people on social media, even some in the, industry that are saying this racing has to go away. But in my mind, this is what makes them heroes. This is what makes them have superpowers. Because I ain't fucking doing it. These guys are brave and they're really, really good at what they do. And to see the guys that are really good at, you know, like going to the road courses, AJ's, he's different there. He's got, he stands out. You go to these places. We got guys that stand out as well. We got this is what they're good at. I mean, how many you take Dale Jr. there, the guys like that,

they were always competitive, man, because they're good at it. And it's fun to watch. I don't know this full fact, but probably Dale Jr. retired because of the Daytonas and Talladegas. He loves running Martinsville and Bristol. I think he's running Martinsville this year or Bristol. He's running Homestead. Homestead.

Somewhere else, too. Yeah, place, he loves those, but ask him when he run Daytona. Never. You know what I'm saying? He's not getting back in there now for sure. That's how early. Absolutely. It's the same way, no.

most popular drivers that's ever been, Dale Jr. Elliot, well, and maybe I shouldn't even tell a story, but I love Elliot enough. I don't think you're mad at me. Elliot Sadler? Yeah. Elliot was sitting at Talladega under a red flag, and he said, what the fuck am I doing out here? I'm 40-something years old. I got kids at home.

I'm going to play baseball. I got millions. I got millions of. But literally, I mean, it's like the bell goes off, and it's like, ding, what am I doing? Right. But when you look at this thing, what was the first thing that Ryan Priest said? in a tweet after he damn near died in that race car. I mean, if you're coming back.

Yeah. And then he said on there, if you're going to be a race car driver, you better be tough. Like, and we say all the time, like, if you're going to be dumb, you got to be tough. Like, you know, it's, it's an addiction for these guys. That dude has race so many modified races to get where he's at, you know, and he's amazing in a modified, probably one of the best since Richie Evans, I would say. I would put Ryan Priest's right up there with that. You know, Richie Evans was great.

I mean, he's going to come back. He's going to figure it out. They haven't run the best this year. So now he's in revenge mode, I think. And he was competitive in that race, too. So he's gone, he's got the butt. He wants to be back up there. Yeah, I thought Chandler Smith wrecked him right there in the middle of one and two.

He moved him up the hill. Oh, yeah. And he followed him in there. Oh, boy. This might be big. Oh, yeah, and the one here. Hey, Door Bumper Clear fans, it's Mike Davis here, president of Dirtymo Media and co-hosted the Dell Jr. download.

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What's your favorite dirt track? I love Volusia, to be honest with you. Belucia is one of my favorites. It's not real dirty. I love, and that's stupid to say going to a dirt track saying not dirty, but I went to I totally appreciate that. I went to Talladega this year. Oh, God.

Oh, my gosh. I sat the dumbest thing ever, I sat right off of turn four, right? And Jonathan Davenport drove for us. So I wanted to go support him, whatever. Literally had a hood on, and I had to pull it over and watch race with the hood over. It was, I mean, it was bad. It's known for that. I like Volusia.

You know, Dirt Vision, they do a good job of showing us all the cool racetracks. So I try to pick out the ones that are not so dirty. Donald Bradshaw, Gina Bradshaw, they're friends of mine that owns Tim McCready's car, so I watch it all the time. I watch a Lucas series all the time. I know I've seen a few of your drivers out at Millbridge. I think Chevy and Toyota both have development programs where they work at dirt tracks such as Millbridge.

Yes, TJ. That's two Mill Bridges in there already. What track is it, Casey? I know you're on the fence around sprint car racing and dirt racing and how it, obviously you think it helps. Do you notice a difference in guys like a Daniel Hemrick or even others like a Ross Chessian where they run at Millbridge and the difference that it may. when they're on track on Sundays and Saturdays.

I'm scared of Millbridge in their little sprint cars. I'm going to tell you, I think the way the wall is and the way the dirt ends up at the top of the wall, I wish they didn't have walls there, to be honest with it. If you're going to have all these cup guys and Xfinity guys racing, I would like it better. I don't see a big difference. I did talk to Daniel Hemrick about, you know, he, those guys are good at Millbridge. And he got to race Josh Wise's car, or he rode around at Josh Wise's car. I don't know that I see a difference, but I will say Daniel feels that it does make him sharp.

and quit thinking. Like Daniel has a problem of thinking about every little thing. Daniel has the most talent I've seen out of some people, but he cannot quit thinking. So that does help him. So yes, you do see that. I think they all should drive dirt racing because when we had Kyle Larson

drive at Darlington or win at Darlington in a tin car, he just told us he's going to get it and drive it because that come from dirt, right? Like he just gets in it and drives it and he figures it out. If it's wet, dry, whatever it is, he don't want to know what springs in it. I'm just going to drive it. So it does help them.

What was it like having Davenport run for you at Bristol? That's a, so fanboy here, I like that, right? I was so excited the first time I met him. We'd done a deal at Charlotte the year before, and Brett was there, and Brett knows this. I was so excited and really cool. He just overtried. That's all he did. He done a really, really good job.

He was really fast. He just overtried. And he was, you know, the cars don't have motor. Like his cars has a lot of motor. And then he ended up in a wreck. Kyle Larson wrecked and he ended up hitting him, but he was going to be fine. He was going to learn that he needed to slow down a little bit. A lot of fun.

So polite, so cool. Glad we got to do it and hopefully we get to do it again. Cool. Freddie, I heard you, I heard you loved your paint scheme this weekend. So it wasn't, so they got misquoted. I did not, I mean, thank you, Columbia. There's no way you could see that. Thank you, Lou Combs.

But the first pit stop, they come down pit road, they do the pit stop. We leave, and Booty gets on the radio. and he's like, we might as well be running a camouflage car out there because I can't see shit. And I was like, well, good news is I said it looks just like the monster cars on track and there's only three of them this week. Oh, that was tough a couple times. The monster cars were like, ooh.

I mean, I love, thank you support for all your support monster too. But like, can we come up with, allow these guys to change the scheme a little bit? Yeah. Because they're three identical race cars out there. Can we just swap the green and the black? Like one car would be all green or something. Yeah, they sent me. So Ashley Breivak, who does a lot of our marketing stuff,

she'll send me questionable paint schemes. And she sent that one to me. And I was like, I said, you know this is a night race at Daytona, right? Like, I said, is black the only option that the thing is all black with teal numbers. And she's like, yeah, unfortunately. So what I've learned, I'm going to help you all out here. We don't make those decisions. Yeah.

Yeah. I don't get to make those decisions. Oh, that's why I asked, actually. So Brett, Brett's been involved with some partners of ours, and we just don't get to make those decisions. I do get to make the decisions about how big things, like on the, hood and things like that, which they've all fell in love with. But yeah, I mean, I'm telling you in roof numbers, we get to make those decisions. But yeah, you can't. Remember our cars last year at Richmond? Oh, yeah. The exact same paint. Yeah, the same paint scheme, just a different number.

Right? Fasten all cars. They were, uh, yeah, I think so. That's all blue cars, blue and white. They were both the same. I like that. I'm not going to lie, that King's Hawaiian machine's nice. At play races and stands out. I did see this weekend. Thanks to Chris, actually. He comes over the radio and he's like, hey, at 9 o'clock, there's a rocket that's going to take off. I didn't see it. I was up at 3.15 in the morning to watch the first one, and it was the coolest thing I ever seen. The whole, I mean, it lit up and it, I mean, yeah, that, if you haven't seen this SpaceX thing, go watch it. It is amazing. I didn't get up for that one. I was scared it fell out of the sky because after it got a couple miles off the earth,

it just went dark. Well, it comes back down. I was like, Chris, I think it. They landed on a barge, you know, so. Yeah, it's supposed to land by itself on a barge. Yeah. When does this conversation happen? Well, this is going on during the race. I was during the race. We were just racing along. I mean, if you want to ever hear the most fun radio ever is when Brett spots voice on Channel 2, just listen to us.

We got to, I got so mad one time, I know it's going to make radioactive. Like, because I was so mad and I was, that was about to choke somebody. But we were talking about it and I told him, hey, at 9 o'clock, the rocket's going take off. He's like, where is it at? I said, dude, I don't know where you're standing at, but it's, it's at Space Canaveral or Canaveral, whatever you call it. Space Canaver.

Yeah. Pretty much straight south or where we're at. So Chandler's racing, he says, hey, you're going to be able to see this rocket when you come off a turn two. Chandler goes, oh, that's cool. Inside. That's just, that's what Chandler needs. One more thing to think about out there. Matt goes, I told him I was going to wake up at 3.30 and watch that rocket.

So I did, watch it, whatever, and got up the next day. He said, did you video it? I said, no, I didn't video it. It's going to be just a blob going up in the sky. A little dot going up. If you have Starlink, they was taking another Starlink up, and they're working on the two that they're down right now. I guess.

And you literally can YouTube watch these people working on it right now. Oh, so there are humans in there? Yeah, with seven of them into one at 3.30. Wow. The second one at 9 o'clock was taking the Space Link. SpaceX does a lot of stuff. We're about to get some tweets saying,

this is not a space podcast. Just when I thought the drivers were crazy, you're telling me people are flying a rocket to space. I'm good. When was that right here? They high-fived each other when it got up there, too. Was he looking at that rocket? It was like this.

You ready? It was like, was that when, Chandler looking at a rocket when he drove Preas up the racetrack? The rocket was earlier. That was Brett staying to say, wide open. Push, all you can push.

He said the engines, he lost the draft, like in which I saw that earlier, yeah. Is that what happened? I thought we were just working on a qualifying trim for Tallega. And then as he's losing the draft, he's like, RPM's a down. Oh, shit's going down.

I said, Brett, I know they're going down because he has no draft anymore. Yeah. He says it's huckabucking. What's a hookabuck? And you sure you want him back? Oh, absolutely. We went back there to run a fast lap to help the, you know, how they...

Yeah, you're the reason we lost it. You and the 47 are the reason we lost it. We were trying to play with y'all and y'all just... Well, you should have played harder. You just flip the solving left us. You have to stay wide open. Well, I don't really know where this conversation went to, but don't forget to catch DBC on DirtVision every single.

Wednesday. Don't want to miss it. Let's move on to reaction theater. Hey y'all motherfuck if if we don't put Austin Hill on the What an idiot this week then I don't know what to tell you but he just tried to big the entire Expendity Series field there. I don't know what he was thinking or what he is doing but I guess you block him and get I don't know what to tell everybody if you're trying to win a race at

Dayton or Talladega with Austin Hill in the field. I don't know what did you do something in the cup race? I don't think so. No, he's talking about, which I think that that was not the time to make that move. Way early. Let's get rolling and then try to do that. Yeah, but all you're going to do is kill our line and the bottom line was going to take off. That's irrelevant, though. The part that shouldn't have happened is the guy swerving around in front of him.

That guy in front of him was doing a lot of swerving. Yes, but at some point you got to realize the guy is close enough and he's going to be there, and you can't keep doing that. For the first time in a while, Austin Hill was not the best car in that race. The two car was better than the 20. the 21. Creed was better than Hill. I actually talked to Brandon Banesh, who spots for Creed yesterday, and I'm like,

what were you doing down the backstretch when you went to take the lead when you lifted and got loose? And he's like, ah, you know, and then Brandon's explained it to me, but he did say that Sheldon has put in a lot of time studying film and it was showing up. They were making a lot of really good moves. Chris probably loves when I don't spot Exfinity and I'm sitting home watching on TV. Just texting him nonstop? I'm like, Chris, do we not want a call a car to lead this race?

What the fuck are we doing out here? I don't know, but desperate people make desperate moves. That's where I'll leave it. Hey, you just want to give a big shout out to the nine crew this week. Let me tell you, they put in a lot of effort and put in a dominating performance. So way to go, Scott Dixon,

getting your second win back-to-back at Gateway. Okay, that's pretty funny. Just really, really bringing some honor to that nine team, showing what the number nine can do in victory lane. Have a good night. That was funny. Did you see, uh, did you watch any of the Indy car stuff? Did you see Willpower?

And Scott. Yeah. So McLaughlin got in the grass leaving Pit Road, right? And spun out. Yeah, clipped the apron or whatever and spun out under the grass. And Will had to swerve up the racetrack. I think he overreacted a little bit. But he went up the racetrack and couldn't get it turned and he hit the wall.

And then they'd interviewed him. He was like, what did he say? I see some dumb. Some dumb fuck. Some dumb fias. His teammate. And then Scott he put it on the poll the next day. He said, not bad, his tweet was not bad for a dumb.

That's pretty funny. Scott, Scottie is funny. I think the big of Dixon's conversation with him to win this. Probably, yeah. Bubba called Scott and told him to get after it. Hey guys. Great race here at Daytona.

Tell Brad, he can send a $1,400 check to my PayPal for a past Chris Busher. So, I mean, TJ, that's a failure on you, in my opinion. I always say this. Like, anytime people complain about something, it's directly related to their draft kings line up or there's whoever they bet on that day.

I think, I still think the move into three is too early. Yeah, well, I mean, it's risky. You did phenomenal T.J. That's all I could tell you. How much you have on it, Freddie. No, I didn't have. Just your playoffs. Just my playoffs.

My entire season was on that line there. Oh, boy, we got to give it to NASCAR. We complain a lot about everything they do, but they got this safety thing. done right. After Blaney's hit Nashville, Blaney's hit tonight, pre-slipping through the air, everybody walked away. You gotta love that. That ain't the result I wanted

tonight, but at least Freddy's happy. Go-12. Go-12. There he is. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, for sure what they've done in the front of them things and just the crash impact itself, obviously, I think there's some stuff they've got to work on with Ryan's wreck, and I know they took the car back to R&D,

I'm sure to go through it and see everything. And it's hard to simulate. that. You know what I mean? Like you can't, like, how are you going to simulate that wreck and know everything, you know, beforehand? So, you know, they'll learn from it like they did with the front clips and hopefully get it safer. Yeah. And thanks for noticing NASCAR has done a good job, right? Like, because we always beat them up. I'm a fresh one to beat them up. You know, when we built this car, when they built this car, the facility that they used was shut down because of COVID. So they, they're just into that facility back working. And, I mean, they crash a lot of cars. If you remember,

the way they had to do it this car to begin with, they actually took a live car with somebody driving it and wrecked it at Talladega. Like that was the way, so they're doing a good job and it's not costing a bunch of money. Thank goodness. So, yeah, thank goodness that both of those drivers, all the drivers walked away, actually. Those are two scary wrecks and both of them guys to be a home today and back, you know, I think what they keep priest for observation. But he, you know, he got out of the car.

He got out of the car and was standing there. So, you know, to big credit to NASCAR for keeping these drivers safe and the violent wrecks that we can have. Unexpectedly at times, man, we see these guys go out there and we don't know. We have so many safe races. We kind of forget what can happen at times. And when bad stuff happens. The last two races have not produced any wrecks. Think about this, right?

And then we have something like that. The last two races before Daytona, so that was pretty good. I couldn't talk. I mean, after watching him flip like that, and not knowing how he landed, not knowing if the Halo Bar held up. I couldn't talk. It's, well, you know, like, you, for, I saw it. It started right behind us. And I just see a car spinning, see a car flipping through the air.

And it's like, you're like, holy shit, you know, that, that was scary. Then it comes to rest. And I, they zoom in on it. And I realize it's Ryan, who is somebody I've known since he's 10 years old. And I'm like, oh my God. Now I've run down to Andy to talk to Andy. Andy's talking, you know, trying to talk to Ryan still. So it's just like, it's like two gut punch.

You see a gut, you get a gut punch. Like, holy cow, that car's. this guy, whoever that is, and then it's like somebody that I've known for half his life probably. So it was, like I said to your point, like you're speechless in that moment. You're just like, please get out. And then when he did finally, you can finally start breathing again. We're all scared at that point in time. If you see it, like we all saw it from the same angle.

We saw that cargo to the bottom. It's like, oh, somebody's spin. And then it went from like, oh, oh, no. Like as soon as you saw Hyatt got it dug in and started flipping around. I mean, we, I don't want to see that again from my view. want to see that again. But, you know, thankfully, our cars are as safe as they are, and these guys are ready to go. I mean, if there was a race tonight, he'd probably be in it. Ryan's a tough, I mean, he's tough, man. He comes from... He lives close to her, right? So you better go see him.

Yeah. Yeah, he's, like, just... Yeah, he's like... He's got a big farm. It's nine damn acres. Maybe you can get that horse treadmill out there. I think it's nine damn acres. Is it like nine acres? Well, that's an inside joke for Doug Campbell, who just... He's got a big damn farm. Nine damn acres. That's funny. Oh, God. What are we doing?

Here they are. Sorry about that. I went to the store and you got lost. This Tyler. Says. Bet you thought I went and put up the pen and quit with the rapping. No, wasn't my intention. Didn't mention that won't happen, though.

Overfill my plate. Took a break to fix my mental. Incidentally meant to because I found my true potential. The best believe me when they see that NASCAR rapping genie, they get greasy bed and greedy dreaming I'm up on DBC. Now is down to Dayton to a rap up the race. regular season as if these speeding demons needed a reason to get heated honestly thought I'd be snoozing keeping it the buck after what we saw I daga

didn't think I give a... Really? A commercial of all times. Dropback memories of impatiently waiting were baited a lady's seen that packed through our racing but no I hated watching priests flipping crazy how long is it gonna last for the love of all things holy just get rid of the grass visuals be damned it's not worth their It's bad enough that we have, it's like what happened to Blaney. How about fix it first instead of fixing it after?

It's like we're reading the same book on different chapters. Amazing racing, otherwise was happy to see it. I'm proud of Fred and Bub's a team for actually reaching. The playoffs, TJ doesn't suck, but it sucks to beat TJ. I guess you can't have it your way if you're spotting for BJ. Nah, it's great to see that team finally succeeding. It's been a minute since the cars were up there regularly leading. 17, look at mean, turn this season to a remix.

He's on fire. Ricky Bobby might just be the team. that guy in Phoenix, yo. Dirty Moe. Tyler Gray. That's clever. I guess you can't have it your way if you're spotting for BK. That's very clever. This guy's good. Tyler's really good. He's unbelievable.

Yeah. Tyler, he's made a bunch of rap songs for us and they're all. I mean, just think he made that since Saturday night. Yeah. And he probably sent in this morning. He's done it from Sunday races to Monday recordings. Yeah, like he would do it like on a Sunday night when we ran, you know, we'd And we'd have like a night race. I don't think he does it in his basement.

I don't know where he does it. He's, I don't, wherever he does it, he's doing a job. I mean, everybody was, the ones that don't have headphones. They were confused. So we're sitting here bouncing and they're just sitting there like this. Yeah. What's that, what's that party? Where you just.

Oh, that was all that bouncing. They said. Oh, that was awesome. Thank you so much to those who submitted calls. don't forget to leave us an audio message 24-7. Call our new number 704-802-9572. TJ, should I say that in a different format? Just let me know.

Casey, I'd like to make my meetings later today. We will keep playing the best once. Let's move on to AskDBC. Use hashtag AskDBC. We will keep selecting those questions. This first one is from Bradley. who was the closest driver to sign that never did sign and drive for colleague, Chris? Huh.

I think this just happened a few weeks ago, didn't it? Would you like to share? Ask that one more time. That took me off guard. Who is the driver that, the closest driver to signing that you never actually signed? Oh, Kyle Bush. Last year? Yeah.

I mean, we, I mean, that's, I mean, he drives the Xfinity car. now, but we're talking like CUP. Yeah, we were, we got pretty far down the road. I'm glad he's at RCR though. I will, I will look everybody now and say we, we, that dude's, he's massive. That dude's good. Were we ready? Probably not. You probably weren't ready for college. Yeah, we probably wasn't, but yeah, that's a, that's one that, um, it got me messed up that signed, but didn't drive. I had to listen to it one more time. Brett, you said a few weeks ago happened. Did it happen to something else where you didn't sign somebody? Chris signs my paycheck, so I'm not telling him. I'm not talking about that. I got one of my. I got one of my.

It's probably an uphill battle with a downhill conversation. Oh, I'm trying, guys. It is an uphill, yeah. But it's, I learned a lot. I'll say that as running a race team on trying to find drivers and stuff like that. But yeah, that would probably be the one. That's a great question, though.

My goodness. Thanks, Brazzles. Fans are smart. Who are you going to say, Brett? You want to tell me off the air? No, I'm good. I'm talking about this later. This next one is from,

Chris. No, it's four Chris. Oh, sorry. This next one is from Elliot. How many South Boston bologna burgers have you had in one sitting? Is this from Elliot? No, it's just coincidentally from an Elliot. So I was 340 pounds growing up.

So that's the biggest I got. So Elliot Sadler had one sitting, but let's say one day. Elliot had 16 one night. I had 11 that same night. So I couldn't eat a spending. him but yeah i've i've had 11 and i would put mustard on them and onions and let me tell you something the next day who i remember i remember the next day more than i do the bologna burgers but it was yeah they're they're they're so good oh my gosh your mom kathy wrights how long was she president

south boston speakway 30 i think we we calculated 36 years wow yeah so that's a lot of baloney burgers that's a lot of bologna burgers that is a lot of she's doing and she's had a lot of uh she You know, my mom's had a birthday, and she's getting older, and she's had a lot of people in her life that are either sick or passed away. So she's had a rough couple of months. And I told her the other day, I got to see her yesterday at my daughter's baby shower ice, and I told her that I love her and I appreciate her. And I know she's had a bunch of tough months. So thanks for that. Hold on a second.

Did you say your daughter's, are you going to be your grandfather? No, my name's going to be pappy. I'm not a granddad. It's going to be pappy. She goes, why do you want to be pappy? I collect bourbon. So, like, if you have bourbon that is collectible, I have. a whole bourbon room. I collect bourbon. It's one of my

things I love to do. And I won't Pappy because why? You can't open Pappy and it's the most expensive. So when that baby called, hey, Pappy, that's me. That's me. Love it. Let's move on to What an idiot.

What an idiot. I'm afraid to ask who might want to be first tier. I may have a surprising one. I have well, one guy that's not is the guy that picked me up on the golf cart where we parked under the grandstands there and he said, hey man, you don't suck.

Freddy sucks. And I said, thanks for the ride. I'll bring it up. His name was RJ. So, RJ thinks you suck. You know what else doesn't suck? Getting the golf cart right. Getting

sandwiches and ice cream and drinks to the roof. How about ice cream on the roof? In a freezer, ma'am? Yeah. It wasn't plugged in, but it was the thought that guys. It was plugged in on Saturday. It wasn't plugged in on yesterday. on yesterday. Saturday

wasn't plugged in. Sunday it wasn't by there. It wasn't plugged in on Saturday. I can't believe we had a Italian rap. They've been doing this for a while. With jalapia chips. Right after you quit, they started bringing stuff. Yeah, it was really nice. It was like, hey, thanks guys for getting rid of Brett. Here's some sandwiches. But the track president, I think Frank Kelleher, is that right? Yeah,

he's responsible for it. So thank you for that. It's a real nice gesture and very much appreciate it. So what we needed to do was get rid of Chip while all along. Once we got rid of Chip, well, that's your buddy chip. I mean. We'll take food. He's a bowl. I love Chip. Don't get rid of Chip.

Chip's a Bulldog fan. We're not. We don't speak to in football season. You're a cock fan. I am. Go cock. We're playing your heels first game. Let's go heels.

I like to point out the shirt that I'm wearing, Brett. I can't see you. Don't forget. I can't see her behind you. You're a Tennessee fan. Take a picture. I can't see you. I can't see you either.

I know. I've been staring at Chris Windham's car. How are you from Florida and you're a Tennessee fan? Well, I went to UCF and we are national champions. Casey. You're the only 10 I see here in a sport. but my uncle is a coach for Tennessee. Oh.

I have not seen Casey yet today. That's orange to me. One day. One day. She came in after me. I have not seen Casey yet today. One day, I'm about to text with him

and ask for one of those shirts since I've been staring at it all shit. Hey, Casey, it's 98, 98, 98. I might be able to see you in that mirror. The only people that look in orange are people picking up trash on the side of the road. Oh my gosh. Who's your idiot, Brit?

Hala. Brett. Brett's now the idiot. Casey for wearing orange. Um, my what an idiot. Man, it's a pretty long list of people. Oh, Brad goes by the track. One weekend.

I've got to say that allowing the six car to do what they did with no penalty is completely a what an idiot moment. I don't know who made that decision. Brad Kislauski had a problem. Okay. His car was on fire. He elected, as he should have, to try to take a measure to, A, not pass the pace car, but B, put his fire out, which obviously he did.

However, he can't be able to do that. It changes the entire lineup and outcome of the race by letting him do that. Because it's easy to say, oh, this driver safety, we're going to give it a pass. Well, what if Sterling Marlin says his was driver safety? He was scared he was going to blow a tire going on the next corner. We cannot allow people to work on cars during the red flag, and that's exactly what happened. So whoever made the call to let that go, you're my one idiot. You might be an idiot if you think a fender rub is an immediate.

TJ, I know if this were not your car. If this were Freddy's car and you were running a sack. I don't care if you'd burn this down. No, I was actually getting ready to drive Brad to a fire truck because there was none near him there, which because I didn't want him to burn to the ground right there. And I'm going to get a spot back. I don't care if they do or they don't want. I just don't want him to catch on fire.

Fire is scary. I agree with that 100%. But nowhere did I ever worry was Thurling Marlin was an immediate danger with a tire. At no point was Brett Caslowski going to. them burn to death in that car. I mean, dude, I mean, it's a fire. Because you're taking its fucking seat butt off and got out. I mean, you're trying, you're comparing fire to a tire rub.

I am making an example. A fire to a tire. But you can take it as far as you want to take it. What you did should not be allowed. I don't care if you do black flag him. I just didn't want to burn to the ground there. I really. And you're not going to burn to the ground.

But I don't want the, I mean, I don't think sitting on the backstretch catching fire, the guy should sit in there because you think it's, I didn't say you should sit there. I didn't say you should sit there. The tin car would have won. You might want to continue this. Just compare to a fire to a tire ropes. I said you did what you should have done, and they screwed it up.

I mean, they said it was a safety issue. What you're saying is you're not calling TJ what an idiot. No. Well, I'm not calling Braddon. None of us made the decisions. I'm not calling Braddon. It is what it is. So you're calling it.

Sounds like I know. Whoever let him do it with no penalty. So my one idiot is Bubba Wallace. And this is literally the last. green-white checker. We were in line just pushing that. I said, oh, is this what I brought up already? Did you bring it up earlier? On the way in. When you came down to me and said, hey, we lost all our teammates.

Oh, no, no, no. That doesn't count. I mean, that is needed. Listen, I moved up, thought you were coming with me. Freddie comes down there. Hey, we lost all our teammates. We're considering you. We're staying with you. You're our teammate now. I said, all right. So I told Brad, five laps in line, then he goes to the top and bails on us. As soon as the top line came, what do you do? Like, you pull up. So I thought you were coming with me when I moved up there. You did. You need to, like, then you went backwards. Well, yeah, because everybody started to save fuel behind me. It was not a good idea. You left your teammates right in front of you. There they go. So obviously we needed a new,

we did not need a new winner. So I'm spotting basically the last lap for the 10 car. Like I'm just like, I'm telling Bubba what's going on. I'm basically MRN at this point. I'm just commentating the front of the race. So whatever, we run through three and four. We're coming to the line. And right before the line, we were probably running eighth or ninth. And, And right before the line, I said, all right, boys, we're in. And when I said that, Bubba thought the race was over and lifted. And we got ran over from behind. Oh, my gosh.

What are you doing? After the answer to that, I'm like, did you lift when I said we were in? He said, yeah, yeah. He's like, I just felt like the whole weight of the world was off my shoulders at that point. And I said, well, guess what you're getting today? You're getting a one idiot award. He also wanted me to give it back to Amanda from a couple weeks ago where she still doesn't know where we practice and qualify at. So shout out to both of Wallace's for winning.

Hey, we could put Denny on your list probably because it wasn't but a handful weeks ago where he's saying Chase Ellie will make the playoffs. Pretty sure that was. You made the owner's championship. But honestly, Bubba makes up for it because he actually thanked his wife in an interview, which honestly, Chad, listen up. Never really happens. So good job, Bubba. Do I get one? Yes.

Oh, this is awesome. You have four or five if you want. Whatever you want. No, my number one, what an idiot is Freddie. Oh, God. Freddie. We hear that a lot. So him and Chandler are like oil and water,

and they want to be more together. And they're racing, doing a good job. Chandler makes a move. The Levin couldn't go with him. So Chandler starts freaking out. Well, Freddy falls right into it with him. It goes, yep, yep, we'll see that at the end of the race. I'm like, oh, my gosh, you got to remember Chandler's not but 21.

He's not going to, I mean, so it's like, what an idiot. Be a dad. Don't be a cheerleader about it. No, we have enough meetings about working together that I get a little upset when we don't work together. It was so early. He was like, don't get so upset. Oh, my gosh.

So, Freddy's my, what an idiot. But feeding in to Chandler's fire. How about that? I want NBC to look at something. And you guys, you guys hear me out. Football is coming, all right? Oh, you can't wait. Oh, I'm excited.

I get to stand on the sideline of Wake Forest and Elon. It's coming up Thursday. Yeah. So Tony Romo, everybody loves Tony Romo in the booth, because he tells you what's about to happen and what the quarterback's looking for the defense. He explains things. I was trying to watch the Xfinity broadcast on Friday night, and they cut to Dell Jr.

They cut to Jeff Burton. They cut to Kyle Petty. They cut to Dale Jarrett. They cut to Brad Dardy for some reason. I don't know how much he knows about drafting. But anyway, as a race fan. He was a high draft pick. He was a high draft pick.

Not a University of North Carolina. The Tar Hill basketball players loved on racing. That was good. So when I look at this thing. Because they made a lot of money because they good. Yeah. Here's what I'm all for at the Xfinity players. races or Speedway, super speedway races.

Give me a guy in the booth like Rick Allen and give me Dale Jr. Because Dell Jr. knows everything that's happening, why it's happening, what drivers are looking for and what drivers are trying to prevent. I don't need 17 people telling me completely 17 different narratives. I want the best plate racer that is still alive, which is Del Earnhardt Jr. One of the two best plate racers to ever live, right? You agree with that? Yes.

So give me his opinion and I don't want anybody else's. Nothing against all those other guys. I think you're right. I think good stand-ins would be whoever won a lot of races at that racetrack with Dale Jr. or Jeff Burton. So like going to Bristol, they should bring in Darrell Waltrip. Going to Martinsville, Harry Gant or somebody like that, they bring in these guys. Or, hey, Jimmy Johnson.

Jimmy Johnson won a lot of races. They bring in these guys that's won a lot of races there. Dale Jr. probably is one of the best speedway races there is that, you know, can talk about it, but he needs somebody to feed with him. And he needs that really amped up guy. So I go back and watch your races or they play on my TV every week. And I, just like they do us, I critique it. And I think about how can we make the regular race fan enjoy it or understand it better, right?

And you're right. You won't Dale Jr. because he's so smart. They might need somebody that's just like average or somebody that can help Dale Jr. To the layman. To bring it, bring it into them. But yeah. This is only for Super Speedways. I love what they do everywhere else.

But I don't care what Steve LaTart has to set. at Talladega or Daytona. See, I like Steve LaTarts because he's telling you about the fuel. They take less, they take less fuel. Why is his car doing that? Yeah, but that's what Stevie did. He understands that side more. I mean, he's way better at that Del Jr. is.

I can tell you that. Crew chief is saying two tires, four tires of gas only. What's the race starts? Not no more. Not anymore. I do, I agree when, so you need to come spot for this new car because it is a bunch of times that it is, like, to his point where... I'm just talking about super speedways.

Same thing. It's the same thing. Less fuel. The other day, three seconds of fuel. We took less hoping that Chandler would be in the middle of the pack. Do you remember that? Because we knew it'd be less fuel, right? So we took less than what we need it. So that's so variables, difference. Like Michigan, the reason 17 car won is because he got ahead of the strategy of when he took the most amount of fuel. So the last stop, he took the least amount of fuel. Because the pit stops are so fast now, they can't get them full. So they have to do that. That's how we finish decent at the line. I will agree with you. in the day when fuel was faster than the stops. Now the stops are faster than fuel, so they have to change up how they do it. That's what happened at the glen. We jumped a lot of cars at the end on pit road because we took less fuel. We come out front of them and then you can't pass there really that much anymore. We cycle in front of a lot of cars.

That's how the game is now. I've seen a lot of people, maybe I saw it more so because it was happening on Long Island, but a lot of people complaining about the race being blacked out in their area for NFL preseason games. That's ridiculous. But it's ratings. But like, you know, and oh, for sure,

you're not going to, but like where, I don't know, normally when that happened, like it would be on USA or CNBC or something. Like I've seen people having to go to Peacock, I think, to watch it.

Like, you know, that's something that's got to be fixed, I would think. Yeah, I'm not sure. I think that's something that always happens, though.

I know. It always has an issue. It doesn't make it right. One thing I will say, Brett, to your point, NBC did a good job of, um,

tying in Jeff Burton and Dale's, like, responses or reactions to, some of the action from Daytona, like they posted yesterday footage from the booth where they were reacting to some of the wrecks. And I mean, that is such a cool perspective. As for guys who have been in those cars and been in those wrecks, I think that is something that actually does well.

I've looked at it like five times already. I think Sunday or the cup races are different because they're so freaking long in general. Like the Xfinity race was fast. Like, I don't know. As a spotter, I appreciate Deljure's insight. I think they get too much information sometimes too. Like if they didn't have as much information, it would be way, way more exciting. I was talking to Jeff Burton over the last couple of weeks, and he's like, you get so much information, just so much,

that he can't keep up with it all. Right. Well, on the opposite side, let's chat about the Birch Gold. That's Gold Award. Don't forget, you can get a free info kit on protecting your IRA or 401K with gold by Texark. texting DBC to 9898-9-8. Who wins this week's award? I forgot we had a That's Gold Award.

This is where we give it to somebody who did something stellar. I think I'm going to give my that's gold award to T.J. and Brad Keselowski for pushing the 17 to the line and not screwing anything up so we didn't get knocked out of the playoffs on the last lap at Daytona. So thank you, Brad. Thank you, T.J. Whoever made that decision, you guys get my that's gold award. We wanted that award. That's what we were going for.

That's what we were going for this week. cross line, I was screaming to Brad. We're going to get the Birch Gold Award. My that's gold award is a tie. It's William Byron and Martin Truex. They're tied for the points lead. Obviously, William won the most races. Martin won the regular season. They're probably the two fastest guys.

They're gold. Chris, do you have one? Oh, no, I was waiting on T.J. I'm still thinking about it. TJ's usually still thinking, too, so I go for him lost. Yeah, I'm trying to think who played that race out smart the whole first half of the race and ended up with a solid finish because of it. Go ahead, Chris.

I can't remember. Mine is Freddie for getting Bubba Wallace to thank him so many times after the race, but obviously he's done something good. So I would say it's not easy trying to race, spot, and figure out who's going to win when you're sitting up there because that is a tough situation because you've got crew chiefs hollering in your ear. You got, I know Booty. He comes from the same town I did.

So, like, yeah, mine would be Freddie and probably the Bubba Wallace group just because odds were against them, probably more than they were for them, when they're 3.4,1, right? Like, that was a big deal that went to 34-1. So, yeah, it would be that group and probably mainly Freddie because he probably had to keep, had to keep Bubba composed, I guess, would be the easiest way because Bubba can lose his composure pretty, pretty quick. Well, that's the thing, too, people don't realize. We spotters at that particular style of racing, we know more than the drivers know. see more than the drivers can see. They came through the trial of what. I don't remember who had Kyle Busch jacked up, but he almost wrecked Kyle Busch. They were on the top side of the front of the front of the front of it. I said Chandler, you see Kyle Busch almost get wrecked right

there. And he's three cars in front of him. He's like, no, I didn't see it. And so it just reminded me of, you know, we're obviously trying to help them make blocks. We're trying to push as hard as they can and not run over the car in front of them. Help them miss wrecks. But a lot of that race, you're just trying to manage their mental processing of what's going on so they're not in there freaked out because they can't see. You know, I was thinking about it and I got to give it to all the people behind the scenes at RFK from where we were last year to where we are now. Chris having three out of the last five races, he's won.

And to be fifth and sixth in the points right now is a remarkable. You know, a couple races ago had led more laps in that race and they had led in how many years? So, you know, I got to give it to all them people that are behind the scenes that have worked there for years, that are realizing, you know, that see what's capable now and to be putting in the effort to be getting these wins and kind of be the underdog, but proven to be there at the end of these races, man, building fast race cars, putting the time in and making it happen. Moving on to DBC picks. I suppose I'll let Freddie win this week with Bisher, unfortunately. That's another reason.

Thanks for pushing, T.J. appreciate that. Yep. I think Brett had Kozlowski. I did. I finished second. Everybody I picked sucks. TJ, you still have 10 wins.

I have seven wins. Brett has five and Freddie has five. Shout out to the person who made that website. Yeah, Mike, I believe, is his name. That was awesome. DBCPix.com. He not only put how many wins everyone has, but consistency. So, like, Brett, even though you picked Kislauski, you get more points.

and the rest of it. It's interesting. Go check it out. I appreciate it. And also, I really like the picture he used for me. I think Brett would appreciate it as well. So, really, thank you so much. That was awesome. Moving on to Darlington. T.J., you get to go first. I'm going to go ahead. If I'm going to cap this championship off again, I'm going to go William Byron. It's fast. We're race for the championship now, so. How many you got to get to lock us out? Another five. We're up by. Yeah, I mean. Three and Casey and five on us.

Yeah. It's pretty much not going to happen for you. Just go ahead. I will take Hamlet. Kyle Larson. Kevin Harvick. Damn. Who you got?

Who wins a race? You can pick anybody you want. I can. Yeah. Kyle Bush. He'll be fast. I thought about making him. So now we're about, now we are in the playoffs.

Let's make predictions. Surprise nobody to pick Martin. I'm saving me. Did anybody pay Hamlin? I did. Martin's been a little quiet here lately. A little quiet, but Byron has to. Well, they're getting ready to ramp it up.

They ain't be quiet. They won nine races. Yeah, but I'm in the last two, three weeks. They're getting ready to ramp it up. He's been average the last three weeks. So let's make championship four predictions. Chris. Who are the final four?

And I have the standings. I have the standings. I'm one of the pages. On the backside of BBC picks. Final four. Final four is the 19, 24, the 5, and the 22. Wow. You think Legano comes from deep in the field?

Oh, yeah. Lugano somehow, another, pulls in belts tight when it's time to go. It makes it happen. Somehow another, he always does. P11 in the standings. It's an uphill battle from a points perspective. And the speed lately they've had. Because these bottom half of these guys, they can't have a problem this week.

If you hit the wall too hard at Darlington, or if you have a bad restart and you get wrecked. you're done. You're going to be a must-win situation on race two. Yep. But if you think about the race is coming up, Joe Lugano normally runs pretty average at. And that's all he's got to do, the first three, and then he gets pretty good. You just got to run average. No mistakes in the first round. Yes. Darlington, Kansas, Bristol.

Who you got, Freddie? Me? I mean, look, the 2419 are just sitting on a bunch of points, so you can't mathematically not pick them. And for personal reasons, I want to see Denny Hamill won a championship. So I'll pick him. He's a Virginia boy, and he's got everything. He's got everything checked off. Personal reasons. Yeah, I liked Denny. Okay.

He buys me and Freddy a lot of fireball when he wins. Jesus. And I'll say Kyle Bush. Okay. I like it. Freddie. I'm going to say 19, 11, obviously. He's great.

5.20. Wow, no 24. Nope. Interesting. T.J. 24. If you look at his finishes, I didn't even realize it, but you look at his finishes, like, it's a win and then it's nothing but 20s and he was going to win darling to the last two times who's that

william he won last room here yeah yeah this race last year he was going to win and got wrecked oh yeah who uh you know i got a top two are pretty lights hour they're consistent william even in the back at the indy road course just ran a smart race all day Joe back up uh to a solid finish with no stages you know things like that that's a strong that's a strong run for him so i got to go 24 19 Oh man, I feel like 8 and 5. No RFK cars. I mean, I feel like if I pick someone, I'm jinks in them, and I'm not jinxing them. Interesting.

Who's going to be out? This week? Four, four, this round. After the first round? That's a good, that's a good out, man. 4723. Fuck you, Chris. Do you feel like?

I think McDowell makes it. I think McDowell makes it to the next round. He's too fast. I think Bubble Wallace can win Kansas. We did last year. I know. We've won playoff races the last two years. I had to pick somebody.

You'll have picked the 19 and 24 with the most points. I'm picking the people with the least amount of points for crying out loud. Ryan Blaney, man. It's like they got a black cloud on. Yeah, I would say 23, 4, 47, and 12. If the 47 can go out and run top 20 the next three weeks, weeks, he'll have a legitimate chance to make it. Because people are going to screw up.

Yeah. He's ran well this year, man. We finally got back to where we were racing with him, and that means you're racing 15th to 20th every week. Yeah. And remember, Ricky Stenhouse is really good at Bristol. So, you got to keep that mind. Still can't pass.

Yeah. Just in general. So you got to, the problem with going to Bristol is you've got to have a complete package. Well, the complete package is the best pit crews in the garage. That's one thing that Freddie, their new team, they don't have the best pit crews. The guys with the best pick crews are up here in the top 6, 7, 8. Good point.

What can they do to make it where we can pass a Bristol? They're working on it. I mean, they're going to have to change something. Dude, we change so much at that Richmond test and work really hard. It's just that we got to figure out. Minimal results. I mean, I think it comes down. We've got to slow down.

You've got to lift more, you know, to be able to pass. Because if you're lifting, you're not handling as good. That's right. Yeah. Chris, are you hearing anything on the 2024 season and schedule? I've heard a little bit, yes. Anything new? Anything interesting? There's a lot of new.

Yeah, I think it's a lot of stuff that people are going to like, and I think it's going to be some stuff that people don't like. I was held to secrecy on some of the stuff. So, yeah, I think that, you know, the things that NASCAR is trying to do, I looked around this weekend at Bristol, at Daytona, at the young fans that we have. So it's working. Like, we went to the North Turn, and it was a young lady and her fiancé, and they recognize Matt.

So, I mean, we're getting new fans each and every. every week. So the places we're going there trying to generate the new fan, I guess, is the best way to put it. I heard Brett, I heard we might have a double header next year. Yeah, I don't, I think it's a double. We need more weekends off. So that means we got to do double headers. Let's do them. Freddie, I heard the double header the race starts on Thursday and goes till Sunday. That's not really a double header.

Is it really? That's what I heard. That's possible. I mean, it's possible. But no, I mean, it's the Olympic year. So we're probably going to get that double off weekend, I would assume. And that's the way to make up for it is to have a double. double head or so. We're all going to be lost by that second weekend again. You still here in Richmond?

Possibly, yeah. Or something else. Just that's Richmond. Probably Wednesday and Sunday, just so you know. That'd be fine. Really? Saturday Sunday was not a big hit. Not a Thursday or Wednesday. And there's probably two different racetracks.

Think about it. We can do it easily. Oh, local closer. We can do it super easy. North Wilkesboro, Charlotte, something like that. You can do something pretty. Margeville, Richmond. And, I mean, your fans could have a package to where they go to both places. so that'd be something cool.

You could do, and I've always said that we should look at doing this from a logistics standpoint. You could easily do Vegas Fontana, Vegas Phoenix. Man, yeah, they're not far from each other. I know Fontana's up in question marks with, well, what are you hearing on Fontana? Anything? I ain't heard nothing about it. No. I do.

I miss that track already, though. If tickets aren't for sale, then we're obviously not going to this. We're not going next year. Yeah, we're not so. I mean, the only thing I heard rumors about. That's unfortunate. I heard rumors about them moving Sonoma to the West Coast swing to beginning year, which I think it would be amazing because that'd be the first time we ever see it green green you always see

those pictures and you can't believe that's the same place we go to in the middle of the summer i've always wanted to go on like october when all the grapes are on the vine i think it'd be cool really because when we go it's brown and dry i don't think i'd even notice which this year it was more green than it has been had a little bit yeah the guy as somebody i'd we ran into somebody somewhere and the guy said like it took longer this year like it stayed longer it rained longer stayed cooler longer so yeah that'd be cool though to get that out of the way darlington is one of the best racetracks in the world in my opinion it's obviously my home track. I grew up 45 minutes from there. It eats tires. It creates good racing. You're not going to go out there and win a pole and win a race because you're lucky at Darlington. It's not going to happen.

Nope. We still got to have a best pick cruise. Yeah, we had a good run. We qualified second, ran and we finished fifth the first race. Talk about that for a minute. Like, we hear that a lot. Obviously, 2311 is talking about going to their own pit crews. You and I have personally talked about you going to your own pit cruise. What kind of investment is that? Is it a million bucks? It's more that's way more than that we do own pit crews they just they work with trackhouse so we have a deal with track house where they work out with Sean pete under the trackhouse entertainment so we have our own pit crews there are our own pit crews that we own and we have they're all signed up for three-year contracts it's a lot of money I know Denny's talking about what he's going to do and it's time right

like you're not going to get anybody to leave Hendrick or RFK or somewhere that's been there forever with all their benefits and everything to do and you just got to go get these young guys and I mean, at the end of the day, the 45 team had the, not the 45 team, the 54 team had the best pit stop. But it was because they were the older groups that probably come off the 11 car or come off the 18 car back in the day. So it wasn't like they were brand new. It's just such a big investment, man. It's, and people. And it's not the investment the first year or the second year.

It's the 10 years that you've got to be there because they're not going to come and just be there for a year. They got to be there for a while. Yeah. And you have to do it, right? You have to do it. You can't just rely on getting the fourth best crew from RCR or whoever you're alive. That's what Danny did. We were going to be always getting the fifth and sixth best pick crew.

Well, that's why we went and done our own. If we would have kept the way we did last year, we would just get the third or fourth best pit crew. We had to go own our own pit crew under the banner of, you know, track house and them training them because they have an amazing training facility. And it helps those guys. But, yeah, you have to do it. And the 16 group has been amazing. I think they've averaged about 12th to 15th.

They've been pretty good, but it goes back to our race car's got to be good because you can't do adjustments. If you think about it, they can't do an adjustment and be a fast pit stop. It's a lot that goes into it. I think the other point, too, where your pit crew situation is, if somebody gets hurt or misses a race on a Joe Gibbs racing pit crew, and it's a tire changer, they're going to pull the best tire changer at 2311 to take its place. Oh, yeah, all day.

Yeah, which also messes up your pit crew pit stop because they work differently together. That's right. I mean, it's like a play call, right? We have a good, so like the one car I think is the only car out of our four cars. So they actually have the best pick crew, which is good. But we all have an agreement that if one of their guys get hurt, we take the best next guy, whoever that is. It could be on the 99, it could be on the 31, it could be on a 16.

We have that in our agreement to make all four of us stronger, which is that's how I wanted it to work. Ty, Norris worked with me, Justin Mark's worked with me pretty hard. So, like, it actually worked out really well. And we have a fifth pick crew that does the 90s. one car and does that 13 car. So it's a lot that went into the pit crews at our place and track house together. You mentioned Joe Gibbs there for a second, and I had the pleasure of getting my first

Joe Gibbs win one for the Gipper speech the other night. Like, holy shit. I was ready to tackle everybody in the trailer. Like, he got up there and was just talking about teamwork, but the amount of energy he had, and he was like his, it's not hard to believe that man has won Super Bowls in his day because I was literally ready to tackle Herschman standing next to me when he was done. talking like it was unbelievable and just uh just appreciated to him like you always see coach kind of walking around and he's always kind of even keel and when he got in there and was fired up and was

firing us up uh yeah i was ready to run through a wall when that was over so that was that was that was a fun experience for me that's cool uh chris we appreciate you stopping by brother don't wait two years next time well i'll try to come earlier thanks for having me it's always cool to listen to you guys i don't listen hey literally it's not that cool no it's definitely not that cool. But when y'all are beating up on me or Collegraising, I try to turn it off. But I do get the text messages. But that's okay. I can be you what idiot. I did call out Freddie. But no, thank you. Thank you to Dale Jr. for doing this because it does inform the race fans. I love all y'all's fans, even though some of them don't like me. But that's okay. Hopefully. I hope that this is the

most downloaded one this year. Hopefully. So I can. Usually is. Wait. Wait two years. But no, thanks. Thanks for all the behind the scenes, guys and girls. that do the work. Y'all sit through this sauna. You guys all 10 pounds lighter and I appreciate it. I got to go take a shower now. Well, let's not forget, we have a really cool experience, thanks to Dirtymo Media in Las Vegas at Westgate Resorts. Brett, you want to share a little bit more? I've been wanting to come to that, but you wanted to charge me. I'm not being charged. I get you in. Maybe get you on stage. Yeah, we've got, man, Westgate Resorts is hooking race fans up with an awesome experience. Dale Jr. is coming. A VIP package. You can get an all.

autographed Del Jr. items sit basically front row. And general admission tickets are also for sale. So, man, it's going to be a fun live show with DBC and Dell Jr. downloads. So, yeah, check it out. Well, we're heading to Darlington. Brett's probably going to, are you going down there at all? No, I'm probably going to stay home and watch this one on TV. You're not going to get you no peach antelada. Well, no, I would, I was what I was going to say, it's probably not a bad idea for you, you know, because you've always, this is your home track. It is. Like, and one day, next year when you're full-time spotting again, you'll have to come down. And, yeah, so.

When you go through MacB, South Carolina, there's a place on the left on the way of the racetrack. I don't go that way. Oh, well, you should because they got a peach enchilada, and it's peach with ice cream. It's the best thing ever. McLeod's Farms is the name of it. That sounds disgusting. Where's it at? MacBee? Yeah, MacB.

Don't speed in MacB. Oh, speed, MacB? How do you say that in Spanish? Do you don't? Como did he say MacB? That's it. That's it. All right.

Well, we appreciate you all listening. Chris, thanks for stopping. Casey. Thanks for being on time today. We love you. Appreciate it. We're out. Have a great week. See you. Check out Dirty Mo Media, Twitter, Facebook, TikTok, and Instagram.