Door Bumper Clear - 308. Bristol & Matt Weaver: We Found Our Villain

Starting point is 00:00:00 We start this show today with heavy hearts. Good friend of ours, big industry name, Sherry Pollack's, passed away on Sunday following the race at Bristol. A big-time fighter for her life who helps so many people and will continue to help so many people on their journey with cancer. I met Sherry back when she was dating John Wood, her dad owned a Bush Series car that Jeff Green and Scott Riggs and those guys drove. And always a big smile, always a big hug, and definitely going to miss her. and I think it's awesome that her legacy will forever live on in this sport. So we're going to take a moment of silence before we start today's show. All right.

Starting point is 00:00:43 Well, with the Dirty Mo Live and Dale Jr. and Friends experience coming up at Westgate, Las Vegas Resort and Casino, we have a new segment this week. We are going to chat through what the odds are of certain things happening. And I cannot wait to see what happens here. So I'll kick things off and then you guys tell me what the odds are here. Ready? We're ready. Freddie tells the Columbia story.

Starting point is 00:01:12 I tell it better than he does. That's 100% chance. Your story is way more impressive than mine. Mine is not, my side of it's rather boring. So 110% chance. The 1,000% chance. Got it. Brett gets lost in Vegas.

Starting point is 00:01:27 The odds of that are pretty low because he's been there before. You'll think he's lost because he just disappears. But he's not actually. lost. He's just pulled the Irish goodbye on you. I only have been lost one time and it was at five points in Columbia, South Carolina. I just realized we have something in common. Idiots. Or I'm adding one.

Starting point is 00:01:53 Brett meets somebody that does not like him in Vegas. That's everywhere. That's a high. That's a thousand percent. There's people in his room that don't like me. One really close. TJ curses during the show. I don't.

Starting point is 00:02:06 curse Casey. Probably unlikely. When Dale Jr. starts, it's going to be unfiltered so. When Dell Jr. starts giving T.J. a hard time. I think TJ's going to either man up or whistle down. Listen, I've cussed to him. I've called him every name in the book. I just didn't push the button.

Starting point is 00:02:19 You know, we should have like an arm wrestling competition on stage. Some bring up a fan that thinks they can beat you in an arm wrestling. Well, I just a tiny fan. You know, that happened to Dell Jr. one time, too, and he left disappointed. That's a true story. But he's left-handed. It don't matter. But if you wrestled him right-handed.

Starting point is 00:02:35 It's not strong. Oh, wow. Next question. Wow. Do you think here, the next one I see just says Dale is the bullet point. Like, do you think you will tell a story that's bad enough for Dale to come on stage and beat the hell out of you? I could. I could.

Starting point is 00:02:54 You've got that ammo? Yeah. Get that one ready. There's a lot of ammo in that, in that bag. I would love nothing more than to see Dale charging the stage to be. beat the shit out of TJ. That would be my highlight of my there's probably things I could say that was made. Strong possibility after the segment.

Starting point is 00:03:14 Fireball shots consumed. Over under, on stage. How long are we on there? Do we know? Doesn't matter. I mean, kind of. Does it matter?

Starting point is 00:03:24 As a whole, 25. Over under. For all of us, like combined? Yeah. Oh, Freddie's going to do mine too.

Starting point is 00:03:31 So, I mean, I'm thinking me and you were good for about 15. Yeah. Can everybody else pull their weight? This is the problem? Well, there's a special guest coming. I know he'll do one.

Starting point is 00:03:41 At least one. T.J. will do at least one. Dale probably ain't going to do one, is he? No. I'll do one if he does one. Oh, my God. If he does one. Now we're in high school.

Starting point is 00:03:51 Here we go. Welcome back to high school. The point of the school weekend. The point of this is, it's going to be a bunch of us hanging out, having a good time. And at one point, we're all going to be on stage together. Who gets the most drunk, though? No, me. I was going to say, you ain't got nothing to do.

Starting point is 00:04:08 I have nothing to do the next day. And it's a Friday. Friday night in Las Vegas. Now with all of our bosses being in Vegas, who gets lost, arrested, and fired. Brett. TJ's going to get fired because he's going to tell a story that makes Dale mad. Listen, Andrew's never been to Vegas.

Starting point is 00:04:28 So there's a solid chance we can get him to do all three. We can get him. Yes. That's actually going to be like a mission for the weekend. a scavenger hunt. Like, check the boxes. What, uh, how many days are you there, Andrew? Uh, they probably fly in that morning, leave that night.

Starting point is 00:04:43 And I have been to Vegas, by the way. You have. Yeah, you ain't been to Vegas. Not with them. Not with you guys. Have you been to Vegas or actually like Vegas? Have you ever heard of the Spearmint Rhino? I have lost, I, in my experience, I have lost, legitimately lost, two NASCAR drivers.

Starting point is 00:04:59 Like, they went missing. And one, the next morning, sent me a picture walking down the interstate. which is highly illegal in the desert. And the other one ended up with knee surgery. So if you come hang out of me, Andrew, I promise you I can get you all these things. Well, I've got to race next weekend, so I hope it's not the knee surgery.

Starting point is 00:05:16 We'll try to not to get you injured. Just arrested and lost. Oh, well, this should be off to a great start here. Don't forget Friday, October 13th at the Westgate, Las Vegas resort and casino. To grab your tickets, head to dridymomedia.com slash live and to see if you qualify for a VIP experience, call 800435-0883. Woo! Bingo. The following is a production of Dirty Mode Media.

Starting point is 00:05:47 Door, bumper, clear. Clear by two. Please really shallow entry. Door, bumper, clear. Hey, everybody. I'm T.J. Major, Spotted the 8x Indie car, the sixth cup car this weekend, and I did Raker race, Brett, and I truck raced. I'm proud of you. Busy week, appreciate. I had a busy weekend.

Starting point is 00:06:08 I drank Fireball and Bush Light all night on Saturday with probably the craziest group of Ultimate Experience fans that we've ever had. There was some unique individuals. I mean, when you guys got there at 4.30, a bunch of them were already buzzed up. I was going to say, there are some drunk people at 4 o'clock, so I don't know what they looked like at 10 o'clock. Oh, Brett Griffin, the spotter for Chandler Smith when he runs a good old cup car. I thought about maybe doing the Roval Freddie on that Saturday.

Starting point is 00:06:36 since we're doing something on Saturday night after the old races out there for Charlotte Motor Speedway. Can you get me a geek? Yeah, you can do my. We just take the day off. What's up? Freddie Craftspotter for Bubba Wallace, Chandler Smith. I had Greg Van Alst on Thursday night, I guess. Just truck racing.

Starting point is 00:06:57 What's up, Casey? Usually when I don't recognize the name, it means it didn't go well. Oh, no, that ain't even the worst. That part went fine. It didn't go well. Oh. We need to talk about that, don't we? I haven't noted. Don't worry.

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Starting point is 00:07:32 Why can't you see T-J? Is that a fat joke? I wasn't going to say it. Well, actually, in her defense, Freddie, you did say you were like an eclipse before the show started. That was on yourself. And if you place an order by October 31st, you can get a free gift card to score some awesome dirty mo merch worth up to $500. I'll tell you, that's awesome. I'll tell you what else is worth $500.

Starting point is 00:07:56 Tim Dugger canceling on you at the last minute. Yeah. Does he got to pay us or something? He's in California. Yeah, like who thought they were going to be in Charlotte and end up in California? Not me. The same guy that ends up in Ireland the day before, you know. It takes months for me to prepare to go to California.

Starting point is 00:08:11 That should be my one idiot. It takes Dougger 30 minutes that he's going to Ireland tomorrow. But with that said, we went out and got a bigger name, probably the hardest working guy. God, it's going to be hard to say that without Bob Packers coming top of mine. But arguably the hardest working guy in all of motorsports, not just NASCAR. Bob's got that title, Matt. Matt, Weaver, man, welcome to the show. No, thank you.

Starting point is 00:08:31 This is so cool to be here. The only issue with being here now is I don't know what I'm going to listen to. This is how I start every single week. So it kind of takes the joy out of what I'm going to do once Monday's over. Well, here's what you can do. We have this rule, and we didn't tell you this before the show, so we can say it on the show. Don't suck, okay? So no, go back and listen to the show to make sure that you didn't suck.

Starting point is 00:08:52 That's the goal. I never try to suck. This show is going to be a lot more tame. Anytime, Tiff and the, her, anytime Tiff. I get scared. I get scared when I see Tiff. Yeah, Jenna. We get nervous.

Starting point is 00:09:03 We get nervous when Tiff's here because usually we're in trouble at that point. Basically, you need to be on your best behavior. Yeah, that's not going to. Tiff, can you guys sit over here in the corner where we can't see you? So, Matt, man, I want to jump right in on you. How many races do you go to in a year normally? I wanted to make it this season. I wanted to do that, whether it's in December after the Derby or January,

Starting point is 00:09:26 Chili Bowl. I've never thought about it. I'm so busy. The NASCAR season ends, and that's when a lot of people tend to do honey-dos or other projects. And to me, that starts a whole other string of races, whether it's the South Carolina 400 in South Carolina, snowball derby, Thanksgiving classic, Chili Bowl. I never stopped doing races. So I don't even have time to consider or think about the number of races that I do, but I've been asked so many times this year. And I think I want to sit down and actually put that

Starting point is 00:09:54 project together because it's got to be a really interesting number, right? If you had a guess, what do you think? I can't even because the number of like the NASCAR weekend. that's three to four races a weekend. The number of midweek, late model shows, World of Outlaws runs on weekdays, too. I do a good number of those shows. That's crazy. And how many times do you fly for the year?

Starting point is 00:10:15 Not a lot. Yeah, maybe, this year, I think I've had two flight races. We have, we do have. You lost your fucking mind. I'm going to just come out and say. So first of all, let's talk, let's talk truck for a second. How many miles were on your truck? Oh, I noticed you say were, right?

Starting point is 00:10:34 Yeah, well, that's what we're going to break news here in a second. We are, we are. It got to 482,500 miles, 2003 Silverado. Second engine, right? Second engine, second transmission. It's kind of like the truck a thesis. How many times can you replace the parts and it's still the original truck? Your truck needed its own go fund me.

Starting point is 00:10:53 And now where is the truck? It's sitting in the parking lot in mobile. Darlington Weekend, I went to leave to Florence to watch Dale race, the late model, and I went to go fire it up and the starter for the second time and five months would not go. And it's got a leaky rear mainsill that generation of truck.

Starting point is 00:11:12 It just spits all over the starter. And so it just killed the starter. What year and what kind of truck is this? We got to know. Yeah, 2003 Silverado. Okay. All right. So if you got one, you can run 480.

Starting point is 00:11:23 Yeah. Wow. Well, you need a new truck. No, you don't. Well, I heard Matt Weaver say that his truck ran for 480,000 miles. You're fine. That was the second motor, though.

Starting point is 00:11:31 it don't matter. A second motor, I've had it since high school, 2005, and it's lasted me the entirety up until 23. So I'm not asking you this in a weird way, but is there like a mattress in the back of this thing? Like, where do you sleep on all these nights? It's been a long time. That's a little weird, actually. I mean. Well, that's the reputation, right?

Starting point is 00:11:50 I mean, that's what Brett has his truck. I think I've probably slept in that truck 250 times. I can estimate that. That sounds about right. because there were times where the first four or five years that I covered Florida Speed Weeks were there for like Volusia, New Smyrna, Daytona. I'm sleeping in my truck every single night the first three or four years that I go there. So that's 13, 14 days a year right to start the season.

Starting point is 00:12:18 Yeah. That's roughly every 2,000 miles. And you wonder why we say he's the hardest working man in motorsports. Like you talked about all the events you go to throughout the year. What's your marquee event? I know there's chili bowl, there's snowball. There's a bunch of marque events throughout the year, but what is your race that you look forward to every year?

Starting point is 00:12:34 Listen, it's the big ones, right? I have the great fortune to do the Daytona 500. I go to the Indianapolis 500 every year. The Knoxville Nationals, Chili Bowl, Snowball Derby, the Martinsville 300 this weekend. I don't put one above any other, but to me it's one of those things to where when you go through the gate, if you feel something a little extra special inside,

Starting point is 00:12:57 those are the ones that I get up for the most, and you feel it in your gut, really. What series do you think does that the best job of providing for fans and attendees in general? Truly NASCAR. I believe that NASCAR fully from the on-track product to the fan experience, hospitality and engagement, there's a reason they are number one in North American motorsports, and it's the complete experience from every facet of the business. where did you and how did you fall in love with racing because you're obviously i mean you're you're the opposite of joel edmunds at this point in your career i mean polar polar opposite but no honestly what what age did you start going on the racetrack how did you fall in love with it so much i think i've

Starting point is 00:13:41 been told my first race was probably six seven weeks old wow so my dad's a dirt racer and so to me i thought everyone went to the to the dirt track to watch their dad race i thought that's what everyone did, and it's all I've ever done. And so I've been attending races either with my dad. I raced a little bit when I was a teenager, and that continued on into my professional career to the point to where I've always said, if for whatever reason this journey would end tomorrow, I would be, one, very grateful, but two, I have no idea what I would do. Like, I'm not capable.

Starting point is 00:14:16 I'm not equipped to do anything other than motorsports. Speaking of that, where are you at now? I know where you've made multiple stops along the way, but talk about where you're at. I don't know where he's at. He's just trying to figure it. He's not trying to figure that. He's driven there yet. Which, which day, right? Right now, it's sports not. I'm very grateful to have picked up that job there this year. I've made some changes the last couple of years. Experimented a little bit with what I wanted to do, what role I wanted my career to have.

Starting point is 00:14:44 I was able to latch on there. It's kind of an emerging sports company. I call it Sports Illustrated for the digital social era. I've ran short track scene for I think it's 11 years now. We can talk about short track scene. My dirt track is on dirt tracker. And so I'm all over. I'm worldwide, right? Perfect. You are worldwide. So with that said, before we jump into the guts of the show, man, what's your, like I knew my dream job literally after being here for a few months. And I, fortunately, I landed it, right? But like, what's your dream job? What's your, what's the biggest thing you could do that you possibly could make it come true? What is it? What I'm doing right now. And I can say that because for the last year and a half, I did something different. When I was at

Starting point is 00:15:27 Racing America, it was still in content creation, right? And I'm still writing, but I'm working for the Cup teams. And it reminded me how much I enjoy being on the independent media side. It's a completely different world than what I was doing. I like being that guy that can jump from discipline to discipline. And that was so much of what driven me over the past three years is that one stop wanted me to be just the NASCAR guy. And I love my NASCAR. But I wanted to be the short track guy. I wanted to do dirt track racing, and I get to do that now. I want to be a guy that's independent media.

Starting point is 00:15:58 I feel like we don't have enough independent voices in the sport, and that's of no disrespect to the TV partners, Racingamerica, NASCAR.com, but it's a different approach to the job, and I feel like we have less of that, fewer of those than at any point in our history, and I wanted to contribute to that style of storytelling. Yeah, you give grassroots racing a huge voice, in my opinion.

Starting point is 00:16:21 Yeah, 100%. You mentioned, you know, I saw you went to Racing America for a point there. And I was like, this is a weird fit for me because Matt's always been a guy. It's not afraid to ruffle feathers. You know, he's kind of been outspoken against NASCAR and certain things. And then you're going essentially to work for NASCAR, work for the teams. And I was like, man, where do you draw that line of, you know, just aside from Racing America? But, you know, I'm going to write whatever I want to write.

Starting point is 00:16:45 And if it pisses people off, that's just what happens. Well, I do feel that way, right? Like I feel like for one, my background, not that I deserve anything in this sport, but I think my background warrants me a certain degree of leeway because no one can question my passion, my bona fides, my resume, my racing smarts. And so I don't need people to always agree with me. In fact, I encourage people to disagree because I enjoy the discourse. I enjoy the conversation. I just want people to be able to respect where it came from. And it came from a kid that first attended a dirt race at six months old, six weeks old, whatever it was,

Starting point is 00:17:25 and has been at a racetrack pretty much every single weekend of his entire life from year one. And you don't have to agree with it, but you have to respect that, I think. Brett's a big fan of people disagreeing with him, too. I'm fine, I'm disagreeing. Don't block them. No, I'll block them when they call me names or when they attack people. I mean, after this weekend, there is a list of people that you have blocked. If you mentioned Clemson on Saturday morning, you're blocked.

Starting point is 00:17:49 I mean, this guy, like, where'd you find that guy you were fight with on Saturday? Clemson Tom? Yeah. I actually... Megan was like, did Brett search this guy out just to flip him off? No, I follow a bunch of college football stuff on Twitter, and this Clemson Tom ended up on my timeline, who hasn't ended up on my timeline. And you just had to flip him off.

Starting point is 00:18:06 I've flipped them off. Real fast. Yeah. What's the higher number? The number of miles on my truck or the number of accounts that you have blocked. It's close. It's a tie, Matt. It's a tie.

Starting point is 00:18:17 It's very close. one thing that you like why we want just why me and brett were talking about you know bringing you on here was the recent article you wrote about the xfinity series and and you know i think this weekend was another perfect example of it the expinity racing is better than the cup racing right now and is that an issue like is that a problem that our our triple a league is better than our MLB league right now yeah i don't i don't know that it's a problem yet and i certainly didn't write the story to disparage the current state of the cup product. But I think it's important to appreciate the things that we have in the moment. I think that the next gen is still a work in progress. I think that it's made mile and a half

Starting point is 00:18:56 tracks way better than what we've had over the last decade. It's made our best tracks, the short tracks and the road course is worse. But it's not about that, right? I think that to me my fandom began in the short tracks Bush Grand National series. And to me, the current Xfinity series has the most personality it's had since it was the Bush Grand National Series. And I just wanted to take a minute to kind of make people recognize, hey, if you're only watching on Sundays, that's cool. We want you here. But watch these races on Saturday, too, because they are the absolute best show in the sport.

Starting point is 00:19:28 Why the Xfinity Series is NASCAR's best product right now is a story Freddie's referencing and a great read. And it's actually literally what made my brain go, huh, let's get that guy on here. But on that note, we talk a little bit about this on the show of the track for future drivers today. Is it going from trucks to cup because they're more similar? Or is it skipping Xfinity Series? Is it going to the Xfinity Series first?

Starting point is 00:19:54 I mean, in your mind right now with how the Xfinity Series is, what would you think is the right approach? Yeah, it's a shame because I do love the Xfinity Series. But if I am a driver on a development platform, I think to me you look at Hosevar. The fact that Carson Hosevar has gone from being a truck series guy the last two and a half years to now he gets put in the 42 car and he is immediately up to speed. And I think he hasn't had a chance to truly get tripped up by that Xfinity car yet because the Xfinity car is, you know, way dragier, less horsepower. It's more of a drafting momentum car.

Starting point is 00:20:33 And that's what the cup car of today is. And I think that if you spend too much time in the Xfinity car, it makes you less equipped. opinion to go cup racing tomorrow. Yeah, well, Hosevar did another phenomenal job this weekend. One last question for you, Matt, before we move into spot on, spot off. Will your Cubs?

Starting point is 00:20:50 Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. We have plenty of Bs for that. But will your Cubs win the wild card? Oh, man. They've lost eight in a row or seven of eight. I said for the last two years that they've been on this kind of rebuilding phase and I just wanted September to matter again because I'm a big baseball guy.

Starting point is 00:21:09 That's why I write to every. Every night it's kind of my constant. I don't need the Cubs to make the playoffs for it to be a successful season. I just want to be able to say that they were in it all the way until the end of the regular season. And I think we're going to have that kind of year. Yeah, my Mets took off in March. So we haven't been excited about it. And I thought after the way the game started last night, I thought the football season was over in week two also.

Starting point is 00:21:32 I think this isn't a baseball podcast. I think this is a great segue to something that you talked about the other day when we were Bristol. TJ and how great he was at Bristol just kind of sitting everything on fire. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Man, I list some stuff up there. I mean, there's a, do you play with matches?

Starting point is 00:21:51 Like, because your car was on fire in Daytona. We had to drive around in circle. I know, we got black, black for that. Then you set Josh ablaze on Friday night in the truck in the exfiny race. In all fairness, Josh kind of said it. Then you switch over to Dale's channel and get him on fire. I mean, what were you doing the other night? Count my lows gift cards is what I was doing.

Starting point is 00:22:13 By the way, when you said that South Carolina 400, you met that race at Florence, right? Absolutely. Just checking. So you're going to the JRM meeting this week or no? No. Let's talk about that for a minute, T.J. What the fuck for you guys doing? Like a bowling ball in there, just wiped all your teammates out.

Starting point is 00:22:30 Well, there was a great opportunity to, you know, I was just kind of get my, I'm going to leave it go. Yeah, that's what? I assume John had a flashed. We have some experience in this area from Daytona. So, I mean, it's not like it's not like we didn't know how to do it. Josh Barry wipes out three out of five cars, his and two more. Yeah. I mean, just kidding at the mother, too.

Starting point is 00:22:53 That's Isaac. Can you imagine if Dale was right behind his and piled in? So that whole scenario, I don't know how they hit just right. They didn't even hit hard. They bumped just right and it cut Josh's tire. I mean, I didn't even think anything else with the contact. It wasn't that hard. Why are you bumping your teammates?

Starting point is 00:23:08 I mean, damn, it was early in a race. for bumping teammates. I mean, they weren't like trying to hit. Josh is trying to get the best, you know, as far as he can, I straight away. And if you look at Bristol, the wall comes down a little bit off the corners. And Sam is running the radius of the wall. When he comes out the corner, he's driving off the wall. And Josh is driving off Sam. So Josh is going up. Sam's coming down a tiny bit. They just met in the middle. And it wasn't anything, um, even that severe. But it was severe enough to go into one and not turn. Well, let's talk about the other J.R.M. Cart with Dale running on Friday. Do you think that NASCAR should have thrown that caution when you caught on fire?

Starting point is 00:23:47 Listen, if you want consistency, yes, because we throw cautions when there's a tire rolling around on pit road. Now you've got a car park there with a guy walking around on pit road. Like, you know, if I don't think, personally, I don't think it needs to be a caution. I would love, like, if they have a pit road, you know, if the tire rolls out there, just go get it. There's no reason to throw a caution. But if, if you know, if they have a pit road, you know, if the tire rolls out there, just go get it. but if you're if you're looking for consistency yeah it probably should have a caution this arguably cost us a win in the exfini race at richmond the first race josh we're leading the race pretty big lead 51 stops on pit road there's no different than that pit road than bristol pit road um plenty of room that he was sitting there they didn't they threw the yellow for him

Starting point is 00:24:28 and that bunch of everything back up and obviously you don't know what's going to happen from there but i don't see how there's a caution at bristol or there's a caution at richmond and not one at Bristol. Yeah. So. I mean, like, I don't know that it's warranted personally, but like, what's the interesting when you coming down pit road right there? Something's wrong in your car. You got to go behind the wall to fix it.

Starting point is 00:24:48 What's wrong with the guys pushing it back and going behind the wall? Do we need a caution for that? But here's another thing. What if the other guy was wanting to pit in Dell Jr.'s in his pit box? I mean, I get it. I get it. Then what are you going to do? How's it fair to screw that guy and his team over?

Starting point is 00:25:04 So, listen, Bristol does have guarded protected pit walls where I, I mean, I think to Ferretti's point, maybe you can run out there and get a tire. But at the same time, we as spotters, Matt, we tell these guys all the time, if they wreck, remember pit road's an option, you just have to decelerate. And the way that banking is, I have seen drivers go down pit road to avoid wrecks. So I'm pro throw the caution there. I am too. So listen, NASCAR tells us all the time, and you guys talk about it too, that that yellow flag is a safety lever,

Starting point is 00:25:33 not an entertainment lever. So to me, when you have a car that's on fire, the driver says I'm on fire. fire and he parks in the first pit stall. It's the number 20's pit stall. The 20 team might need it. Now you've got their crew members pulling a guy out of a car that's on fire. What if it's under red? Asking for a friend. But then you have, you might need safety crew, medical officials. There's a lot of things that get put into play in that scenario where a car is on fire and is on pit road. And so I think in that scenario, you have to be able to give that car the full attention that warrants.

Starting point is 00:26:03 I like this guy agrees with me. Right off the back. Let's not get ahead of ourselves here. I don't want to get blocked. Are you a Clemson fan? I am today. You're blocked. There we go. That end of that.

Starting point is 00:26:14 One thing is for sure, it was so cool to see Dale back on track. And you can tell from the fans yelling Dale year, yeah, 20 billion times to Sumbert, Dale. That guy's crazy. I don't even know how to describe it. That's a contender for one idiot. Do you see this guy? Yeah. He taped, he taped, I think it was a nine on the front for Chase and an 88 on the back.

Starting point is 00:26:36 Oh, I did see that on TV. And then he sunburned the rest of himself and pulled it off so he could see the numbers. I can't imagine this dermatologist approved. Oh, no. He was cooked. By the way, he was as red as that flagged. He was as he did a good job doing both sides. I mean, it was pretty evened up.

Starting point is 00:26:49 Do you think that? The funny thing for me, though, is I spent a lot of time on Mike Davis last week. And he kind of just hints around that Dale gets nervous. And in these big weeks like this, like he kind of just goes back to the way it used to be when he raced every single week. and then on TV and at the racetrack and everything else. Like, Dale looked like the happiest I've ever seen him at a racetrack. He's fine once he settles in. He's nervous for sure.

Starting point is 00:27:12 Yeah. He's even pre-race. He's holding his daughters and they're kissing him and like he just seemed joyful. I'm telling you, Tuesday before the Florence race last weekend. When I got that call at 8 o'clock in the morning, it was like, oh, they moved to race. I could tell he was like excited but also nervous too. So. I'm like this guy's got Junior's shaved into his, I don't know, stomach hair.

Starting point is 00:27:31 What the, wow. Good for him. They bring out, Dale brings out the good news. I think, was this Joey's first time spotting for Dale and I guess it's, no. I think he's probably spot it for. Oh, no, he did him back in the day. Yeah, but I meant like in the last 15 years, yeah. I would feel, I would feel really weird about having my pilot spot for me because if, because I don't, and then if you cuss him.

Starting point is 00:27:55 Well, here's my thing. I don't like to fly. I don't like turbulence despite being on an airplane, airplane 300 hours a year. I would be afraid that if I were like, Joey, what are you doing? You're an idiot. That he'd be like, oh, you wait until that next fight we take off. We're staying in the clouds. We're not going up to 12,000 feet.

Starting point is 00:28:11 We're just going to ride the bumps. Joey never gets tore up over anything like that. Oh, yeah, right. Joy's pretty sensitive. Anyway, Noah Gregson reinstated, obviously suspended a while back. He's been off the radar, exact opposite of what Kyle Larson did. Kyle was out there, man, winning races and racing everything he could get in. What do you think is next for Noah?

Starting point is 00:28:31 I think he's going to end back up in NASCAR, right? I think he's going to spend the rest of the year running the late model. He's going to run a Penties car. I saw him testing a Pentee's car. Yeah, before he went down to Toledo. I think this is going to be the beginning of his kind of barnstorming tour where he's going to run everything and just remind everyone that he's a racer and he just wants to be in a car. And I think he's going to have some options.

Starting point is 00:28:54 He's a guy that, you know, has proven he can win at, you know, the Truck Series level, the Xfinity Series level. I think most important for him is he needs something that's kind of a cultural fit. I'm not saying something that will tolerate or allow what happened to him, but he is a very quirky personality type. And I think that the moment that Jimmy bought in there and kind of changed the culture a little bit, that was never going to work out for Noah. And so I think that whatever Noah does next, it's got to be a team that kind of embraces kind of his various personality nuances, for lack of a better term. What team do you say? So him and Chris Rice are going to get along real well.

Starting point is 00:29:30 Yep. That's what I was going to say. Is that what you're hearing? Yeah, yeah. I mean, it makes a lot of sense, too. I think that they complement each other very well. You know, they're guys who like to have fun. They can have fun. But I also think that Chris is professional enough that he can draw a very clear line and you can have a good time, but we're going to get to work on Saturdays and Sundays. Well, on the same topic of driver team changes, what do you think about the news this week, especially around Trackhouse, with SDGs? Siding with Trackhouse and then Zane Smith as well. Yeah, so SVG is, you know, that was inevitable, right? He was always going to end up there. I can't wait to see what the schedule looks like.

Starting point is 00:30:11 I know that Justin says that he's waiting to see what the national touring schedule looks like. I kind of floated out on Twitter. I said, man, I'd love to see SVG run at least one full season and something and make it Cars tour. I saw you said that, yeah. I thought it was also a good idea. Yeah, and he said, be careful what you wish for.

Starting point is 00:30:26 Yeah. And so I think it would be cool for him to have one anchor series in addition to, you know, a dozen cup, a cousin, a dozen Xfinity, a dozen trucks. And so I'm super excited for him and what that's going to look like. As for Zane, listen, I've covered Zane since he was 12 years old. And he has won in literally everything he's ever driven. And, you know, Kislauski said it on Monday. You know, this guy's going to be a champion and we would have wanted him too.

Starting point is 00:30:53 And I think that's accurate. Zane's going to be a superstar for a long time. And it's just a matter of getting him comfortable and up to speed. Yeah. And I think what's kind of funky about this whole Zane Smith thing is it's like the world came 360. I mean, when Mark Swinton bought Gannasi, you know, Gannasi had Zane under contract. So it's kind of cool for Zane that he probably hit a panic button going, oh, no, what for me now? Like what's going to happen to me?

Starting point is 00:31:16 And then you fast forward, here he is. How much pressure, though, Freddie, does this put on Daniel Suarez? A lot, you know, I mean, a lot because not only do you have Zane Smith sitting there, under contract. You've got SVG who you know is coming. It's just a matter of how quickly he can adapt to ovals and how quickly, you know, the idea is to get him to a cup as soon as they can, you know, because he is a guy that's parent. He could be a perennial playoff guy because he can go out and win road course races. And we have whatever, four or five of them on the schedule. But yeah, you're sitting there now and, you know, obviously I'm pretty sure. I don't even

Starting point is 00:31:51 know if it's been announced it may have been. Sane's going to run at Spire more than likely they bought that BJ McLeod Charter for $40 million. So he's going to run there for a year or two, who knows. But there's a guy in-house under contract sitting there waiting to take your seat. And listen, Daniel, the performance hasn't been there of late. They've been struggling pretty bad the last month or so, I feel like. Ross hasn't been as fast as he obviously ended the second half of last year either. But I think, Matt, that the wicks turned up on Suarez.

Starting point is 00:32:21 Oh, I agree. Listen, so Ross is still in the championship mix. He made the playoffs. Daniel didn't. The ceiling has always been high. for Daniel. So it's not a matter of can he be that guy. I think he can. But the problem with Daniel has always been consistently putting those runs together. And I think the next-gen car has kind of exaggerated those characteristics too, because this car kind of makes you even less

Starting point is 00:32:46 consistent inherently. And so when the car can already be kind of a bit of a dart and you don't know from week to week whether or not you can contend for wins, listen, he's going to be under a lot of pressure. And I think that, one, you've got two people who now want your seat. And those charters are not easy to come by. And I know Justin wants another one, but at $40 million, God, the supply and demand is pretty scarce. On that note, for those who may not be as close to the industry, what is driving up the cost of those charters since its inception? You know, right now it's the pending TV contract. Teams anticipating getting a bigger chunk of the pie. And it's basically like stock market.

Starting point is 00:33:28 It's speculation. You know, you're, you're, you know, it's, I mean, you talk about guys were buying charters for, what, like $12, $13 million a couple years ago? Oh, they were five or six. Yeah, I mean. It wasn't that long ago that furniture road sold theirs to Spire for $6 million. Yeah. And now you look at it here it is.

Starting point is 00:33:45 That's, you know, what's five years later. I mean, Dale Jr. was sitting here going, I'm not paying $10 million. Well, I bet he wishes he would because that ain't a bad return, right? Yeah. Yeah. I'm all for it, and I'm all for it because, and I don't want this to sound condescending to B.J. McLeod, but we took away a car that gets lapped first almost every race. And we're seeing a team buy it in Spire Motorsports that historically prior to this year

Starting point is 00:34:14 had for the most part running the back with at least one of their cars. So what you're seeing happen is a big investment from Spire into expanding. And you're seeing a big investment inspire of getting rid of drivers who historically haven't won and bringing in guys that obviously haven't won in the Cup series yet, but they're going to be winners. When you look at your driver lineup, and it's, you know, Corey LaJoy, Carson Hosevar and Zane Smith, that's a pretty dang powerful, opportunistic lineup. So I think it says, and based on what they're doing from a manufacturing perspective, it sounds like they're really lining up to have some technical alliances.

Starting point is 00:34:56 Guess what that cost? A bunch of money, millions of dollars. Guess what else they've done? I asked these guys on here about a couple weeks ago, hey, what's going on with the spotter stand? Any big shake-ups from Freddie and T.J. kind of looked at me like, no, not really. Well, I knew some were coming. And so I made a couple comments about spotters are getting paid. Well, guess what?

Starting point is 00:35:13 Spires at the top of the market. If they're paying drivers and they're paying spotters and they're paying crew chiefs, they're going to have people. They're going to have talent. If they're paying Hendrick Motorsports make that up, an alliance fee, they're going to have faster cars. If they're paying for the best motors, Freddie, we knew for a fact last year the seven got a good motor and the 77 was on a different plan.

Starting point is 00:35:33 That's not their plan anymore. So we get to see a big investment by a backrunner, Spire Motorsports. I think it elevates their game. Based on the things they're doing, I would anticipate that after a quarter way through the season next year, Matt, they're consistently running top 20 with those three cars. I agree. So listen, I've always been very bullish and optimistic on the charter system going back to 2016 because as a stick and ball fan, I see the model. I see the pros of that. Having spent a year

Starting point is 00:36:03 and a half in the race team alliance and better understanding their market, their platform, this is a big win for the entire industry. And I know fans have kind of nostalgia classes on. We used to go to Daytona and we had 60 cars for 43 spots. We don't live in that world. If you or two get rid of the charter system tomorrow, you're still going to have 40, 41 cars. We're not going to live in that era. I think what the system does is it encourages a 36-car field that everyone is trying to compete. Now, we're not going to have the ultimate parity that NASCAR intends to have, but I think with all due respect to Joe Falk and Matt Tift and B.J. McLeod, we have now replaced a car that had no intent to compete with a car that wants to win

Starting point is 00:36:48 races and win a championship. That's a win for everyone, fans included. Yeah. And when you look at it, it's guys like Steve Newmark that are at Roush. It's guys like Curtis that are over at 2311. Like, you know, Steve's an accomplished attorney of a very smart businessman. Like, they're leading the charge with NASCAR. Rob Kaufman kind of started this whole thing, to be honest with you. I was at MWR back in those days. Like this model is making the owners have value. That only makes the teams more funded and it only makes everybody's game get elevated. So when I saw this, I was like, hey, good for these three guys that own this charter. They just made bank.

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Starting point is 00:39:15 so much because there are so many storylines and the intensity of every lap. And I remember back when we had the old chase format, it still felt procedural. We're still points racing. And I know there's a lot of fans who miss the old points racing, but the value of a win has never been higher at the highest level of the sport. And the things that that encourages drivers and teams to do to win races is something that we all benefit from. We do not have the Ross Chastain move last year if it's not for that.

Starting point is 00:39:47 We don't have some of the aggressive tendencies on restarts if it's not for the value of a win. And I think it makes the final 10 races so exciting. Freddie, how nervous for you? It was a very stressful last 150 laps, whatever it was. Because basically, if you don't wreck and you finish top 15-ish, you're okay. We had a four-point buffer pretty much the second half of the race. And there's a restart where we lost a couple. We had like a seven point buffer and there's a restart where we lost three spots right up the bat.

Starting point is 00:40:17 Like we got stuck in a bad lane and lost three spots and you're like, you're at that seven point buffer, you're like, oh, we're pretty good. You know, then all of a sudden you lose three spots. You're like, well, fuck. Now we're, now we're only four of the good. And, you know, credit to, you know, we were, we, Bubba just did a good job of staying patient. There was one time where we had a, we got into a little bit of a shoving match with Larson. And I'm like, what did, like, just let him go. Like, just let him go.

Starting point is 00:40:40 Once we got position on him, he just laid, he rolled over and let us go to. but you could tell he was in a finish the race mode. You know what I mean? Like no matter what. That's a nerve-wracking mode when you can't go out and attack and race. And I've been in it. And we've all been in it if we've done this long enough. You're holding your breath for 100 laps.

Starting point is 00:40:55 Like, please, no caution. Like, I wasn't so worried about it, but then you get to a point where. And like, Harvick was so many lapsed down that he really wasn't a concern for me. It was more Ricky Stenhouse, honestly, because he was running well. He was in front of us. And if we ended up, you know, where my concern came in was,

Starting point is 00:41:10 we got lapped and he hadn't gotten lapped yet. So now that puts us on a lap with four or five other guys behind us that we can lose positions to that Ricky, you know, he's not. And we can't catch anybody. And we can't catch anybody. So, you know, that was when we got laughed and he hadn't been laughed, I was like, okay, we don't need a yellow. Please, no yellow. You know, and luckily, I figured the yellow was coming because then he was leading and I feel like he gets a caution at the end of those races all the time. A bunch of stories, Matt was talking about stories.

Starting point is 00:41:34 Martin Truex, with a huge point cushion going into round one, barely gets out around one, is now he's the biggest winner. He's the biggest winner from last week. This is what we talked about last week with all these people, you know, everybody was coming on us last week about, you know, the regular season champ needs a bigger advantage. You know, he should have got a buy through the first round, yada, yada, yada. He did. Like, he did.

Starting point is 00:41:55 If he didn't have that point cushion, he wouldn't have made it. And now look at him, he's the damn point leader again. He finished like 18th, 36, and 19th. Like he had a terrible round, gets out. Now he's right back in the butt. But I want to talk real quick about the four that got cut out. no surprises Stenhouse and McDowell are out. Listen, they ran phenomenal Saturday night, both of them.

Starting point is 00:42:16 Yeah, they did what they could. Yeah. But just if you start round one and you say these two guys are going to be out, you're going to be like I'm not surprised. Joy Lugano, Kevin Harvick, former Cup Series champions, both out. Surprise factor there. So to me, and it goes back to what I said about this format, is the biggest complaint that fans give me all the time is, oh, well, the only races that

Starting point is 00:42:39 matter are the final 10. And that's not true. Every single stage, the stage points that you get, the stage playoff points, it does not surprise me that the four and the 22 are out because they did not have the regular season to give them the buffer that the 19 had. And that's really what it came to on that last race is that the success that Martin enjoyed in the regular season gave him the buffer and the cushion he needed to advance. And to me, that is the best of both worlds between a season-long format in a playoff and it rewarded him for that season. You know, and you talk about the stage points, that's the reason we transferred. We know, that first stage, we were committed.

Starting point is 00:43:16 We seen the sick. We talked about the six doing it last year. We're committed to staying out the whole first stage. Like we're just, you know, you know, you're staying out and you're going to end, you're going to shuffle. If there's no caution, you're going to run, we were going to run probably eighth or ninth get a couple points, whatever it was. But at the same point, the 22 and four, we're not going to get points.

Starting point is 00:43:30 They were starting too deep in the field. So we're just, all right, we're going to bump ahead. And then we got a caution. We stayed out. And then we got a caution. caution we stayed out again and and you know we ended up finishing second or third in that first stage that's eight points we made it by four that was the difference in us making it not making it right there yeah we did the same thing we stayed out just to get a little more buffer and we had a way bigger buffer than you

Starting point is 00:43:48 obviously but I think at you know that first age we were at like 40 points or something like that which is I just think if I'm the 22 team I thought I could win this championship if I'm the four team I don't think they ever thought that I think they were more realistic of man let's get Kevin will win in his final 10 races and send him out a winner because they certainly deserve that obviously Rodney and Kevin are great guys big big time racers but but I think if I'm looking at it from their team's perspective I think the 22's like oh well we're screwed this sucks I mean Chris rice picked him and go to the final four and I think four the four is more like hey turn the noise off go out and win a race in these final seven I think Kevin said that right I said an article we had we had

Starting point is 00:44:28 no chance it didn't matter like what doesn't matter we didn't transfer because we weren't win. Yeah. Also, interesting to note that all four drivers were Daytona 500 champions eliminated this round. I don't know if that's ever happened before. Yeah. Great stat.

Starting point is 00:44:44 You come up with that? I saw it on Twitter. Of course. You should have lied. You sound much smarter than you said, yeah. And we talked about, you know, going into these playoffs, the possibility of Ford struggling. Three of the four guys were Ford's that got knocked out.

Starting point is 00:44:55 There's a whole lot going on. I hate to keep freaking bringing things up, but Bristol Dirt. It's gone. You glad? I liked Bristol Dirt. And maybe it's not. I'm not blocked by Freddie, too. You get out.

Starting point is 00:45:07 We're literally trying to talk about spot on, spot off. That's the topic. Dirt's for dirt cars. Oh, we are good. We can do it now. NASCAR cup cars are not dirt cars. I thought the next gen car was surprisingly effective on that kind of track. I don't know if it was the banking.

Starting point is 00:45:23 But let me say this. The reason I enjoyed Bristol dirt, even at the expense of concrete Bristol, is how many times do we go to a short track? and we're talking about the underbody and the arrow push. And that was the one short track race a year where I could watch Cup guys go out there on a grip limited surface, go out there and just saw on the wheel and just race. And I really enjoyed that. And I hope that we don't lose dirt racing from the schedule altogether.

Starting point is 00:45:50 So you want to go to a dirt track, though, just not Bristol. Knoxville, Eldor. Yeah. I don't like taking. I think of the loose. Yeah, I don't know. You know, seeing that, I mean, when I saw Wilkesboro with the rain tires and martins with the trucks those were on top of the track kind of sliding around they weren't out of

Starting point is 00:46:06 control but they had their hands full and i just don't see it's so hard with the way that track moves and i love dirt racing i mean i grew up dirt tracks um and man it's just not the same like the cars don't they don't the cup guys they you know they miss their corners and stuff a little bit but it's just the track doesn't form the same as me the cars don't work like they should um we were literally driving boxes with four tires on and run a dirt track and just, I don't know, I don't think it is as good of a dirt race is what a dirt car puts on. Well, looking at Jack Gluck's poll, only 61.6% of fans said that, yes, Saturday's race was a good race. And that is comparative to the dirt race being 66% last year, or this year. So, I mean. Well, Denny won the race. So that, are you talking about

Starting point is 00:46:55 So you think he single-handedly is the reason why people said- Is Lily? 100%. I went through this with the other driver that I had. If we won the race, it didn't matter if we passed a guy in the last lap, flipped over the start, finish line. People hated the race. Because of the driver. Who was?

Starting point is 00:47:12 Yeah, Joey. Yeah. If Joey wins or Denny wins, they hate it. Kyle Busch is no longer the villain around here. It's Denny. And he's embracing it, which I love. I think the winner of that poll is worth a 10-point swing. Wow.

Starting point is 00:47:25 Wow. You think that many. And maybe that's subjective on my part. I believe. There are races I've enjoyed where I'm like, man, that's a good race. And then Kyle Bush would win it back in the day, or now Denny wins it. And I'm like, no, the fans don't like it. And I think it's purely that.

Starting point is 00:47:39 I think it's 10 points. Why has Jeff Gluck's poll become such a thing? It's awesome. I know. It's like, it's like, everybody's like, oh, I can't wait to see what Gluck's poll does. I can't wait to see, like, TV ratings too. And it's right up there. If Chase wins the race, it's an 80-plus percentage great race.

Starting point is 00:47:56 It doesn't matter if he leads 5-5. hundred laps of that race. I mean, it's... Who won the night race last year? Chris Busher. That was 60.7%. It's also a garbage race.

Starting point is 00:48:09 This was not a garbage race. No. I don't, I just, it's just definitely maybe 15% 15% swing, probably at least because of the driver the wins.

Starting point is 00:48:18 One thing I was worried about and I don't remember this happening in the past. They re-sprayed before the cup race. Yeah. And I was like, they've never done that. I've never done that.

Starting point is 00:48:27 And I was like, oh man. And you saw the beginning. Like the beginning of that race was awful. You know, you couldn't pass. It was the same gaps. I thought, I said every single car is running the bottom single file right now.

Starting point is 00:48:36 Yeah, it was a truck race. Yeah, exactly right. And it was, terrible for that. And it was just, you know, it was, you couldn't move. And not only that couldn't move, like,

Starting point is 00:48:44 it was the same gap all the way through. Everybody was split by a car length. You know, it was just like you couldn't get near a guy. The leader couldn't even pass the outside on a restart. You couldn't even make up ground because the guys could just grab the grip on the bottom, even when they got checked up.

Starting point is 00:48:57 Yeah. They were still just grip up and take back on. glad to see. And it was like, what happened was that I think it was the end of the first stage when you saw a little bit of tire disparity. Larson, Danny, some guys went up there and were able to clean that off. Because all it takes is really to clean it off. Like you need to have a bunch of, like we saw Jeff Burton was actually the one to do it on Saturday night. It's not that. That's part of it too. But they got to pull the stuff up on the bottom. And cup cars do a really good job of pulling it up. Like more cars, more tire. They're stuck to the ground. So they rip it up faster than the other cars, in my opinion. But I felt like they put it on a lot thicker. They did. AJ actually, AJ Amadinger came into a barger pre-cast sweet force pre-race, and he mentioned that the more the cup cars run it to, the black stuff actually starts getting slicker,

Starting point is 00:49:40 and you want to move up and try to lay rubber down in other parts to have more grip. It stayed pretty good throughout. We made a lot of passes on the bottom, and I would say we probably pass more cars than most coming from the back. We drove all the way up. We were going to pass Chase for seventh, and I don't, where'd you get to? I finished 14th, I think. Yeah, I mean, we,

Starting point is 00:49:58 we restarted right with each other once we both pit at the same time. And it was hard to pass, though, man. But we could run the bottom. And it's delaying the inevitable, which is we're eventually going to find more grip up top. And I mean, Bristol's in. This has been how long since they destroyed the old track? 07. Wow.

Starting point is 00:50:17 Was it that long? Yeah. It's been a while. So, I mean, here we are, damn, a long time, 15, 18 years later. And we still, or we still can't make the top not be the preferred line. So, listen, I don't know if the. irony is obvious to you like it is to me. We just railed on collectively Bristol dirt but the current Bristol concrete is basically a dirt track. How do you prep it? How quickly can

Starting point is 00:50:41 you wash the top off and then move from the bottom to the top and have multiple grooves? And then eventually it becomes top dependent. That is a dirt track. It is running a cushion. Yeah, I mean, definitely, I mean, I don't know if so. Danny was running the bottom a lot at the end. I don't care what we race around there. It's an awesome track. It's an awesome video. And I don't carry well, you're racing, I'm tuning in. I'm a fan of Bristol Motor Speedway. It's my, I tell people all the time, it's my favorite track on the NASCAR schedule. It's my favorite race is the Daytona 500, but my favorite track. What do you think the track needs to be better? I don't hate it. I love it. I don't like it. I loved it when we were ripping the fence,

Starting point is 00:51:15 and that was the preferred way around, and you had to kind of get in the guy and he'd hit the wall, and you'd go under him and clear him and slide job him. And so, man, I mean, Clint Boyer, diamond and turn three and four on the exit. Like, I love that racetrack. I'm not one of these people that wants to see bump and runs and wreck for the win and I want to see true racing and that's what we get at Bristol. Like I think it's the best racetrack when they don't do the PJ1, potentially on the circuit, but our fan base, they got accustomed to fight for the bottom and root him out of the way. If you told me that we can run around the bottom and not all be the same speed, I would prefer to be on the bottom. But that's not going to happen now because you're not going to,

Starting point is 00:51:52 you're not going to get the bump and run because you can't really get to the guy, especially with this car, you know, you're going to, we're just all going so fast that there's no opportunity to pass. Like Martinsville. You know, if I follow you down to the corner, I hit you in the middle. I don't, I don't mess you up enough for anything. I'll just grab a gear and go. Yeah, the only reason you've seen a little bit like I've seen Christopher Bell was leading, and he was able to, he would have to move, he would have to drive in the back of somebody and just get their tires up out of the grip and they would slide up to hill and he'd get by him. That was lap cars. You know, that's how, you know, he was having a hard time passing lap cars.

Starting point is 00:52:22 Lap cars make it, I mean, it makes dirt racing interesting too. I mean, that's how, when you're second place, that leader catches. It's just for whatever reason. I know. And this isn't a bad thing, what I'm about to say. For whatever reason, SMI, like they have a track like Atlanta. Holy change to it. A track like Bristol, massive change to it.

Starting point is 00:52:43 The Roval, stage breaks for coming back at the Roval. By the way, the Roval was invented by Marcus Smith in the middle of the night. His son told us about the story Marcus walked into his bedroom and said, hey, I got an idea. What do you think? Like, it's just like SMI is constantly looking for the next trendy, cool thing to do. And I don't hate them for that. Just going back to the lap cars for a second.

Starting point is 00:53:02 Oh, here we go. If you watched that fucking Arker race the other day. Oh, yeah. Holy. Hell yeah. Like, there was cars out there at Bristol Motor Speedway that were seven seconds off the place. Yeah, I told you that the other day. That's safe.

Starting point is 00:53:18 The one car had run almost 30 laps in practice. and when I kept looking at us, I'm like, all right, they're going to get better. It never got within seven seconds of the fastest lap time of the day. You shouldn't be out there if that's not. If you can't, like, I don't even know why you'd want to be out there. To me, I'd be scared of death of getting wrecked every lap if you're at a lot.

Starting point is 00:53:34 Freddie had actually a great idea, though. That's almost half a lot. It's Herm's idea. Okay, it's Herm's idea. It's Herm's idea. Herm says that we should run two races. One on the apron. One on the apron for them guys.

Starting point is 00:53:44 One on the track for the actual guys that are out there trying to race. And you can't cross the line. Like if you're on the apron guy, if you cross on a racetrack, you're done for the day. If you're a race car guy, you're going to go to the apron. Well, what if they reckon come up? No, you can't do that. You know my stance.

Starting point is 00:53:57 You know my stance on me. It was, honestly, we laugh about it, but it was ridiculous to look at. So is there, is there an approval process for ARCA as well? Apparently not. Like, I mean, there's two issues. Like, I don't know. I was joking with Megan. Megan was, we have a little sweet that they give like the friends and family for the

Starting point is 00:54:16 spoters. And we were sitting there. and the Archer race line rolled off and there was 32 cars on the race and I told Megan I've heard of 10 people in this race like 10 people in the whole race and that's not and I do a fair amount of short track racing I follow it pretty closely I'm like I don't know where any of these guys all my spotters always usually spot them races like TJ did Andy Jay who's a modified guy from a north New York and like I'm looking I'm looking at the lineup and like my buddy's like I'm spotting for this guy and he tells me name and I'm like I've

Starting point is 00:54:48 never even heard of that person before. Like, you know, and it's, that's a problem. Like, that's an issue. Like, I don't know what the, what the, what the, what the, what the, what the, where's minimum speed at? Like, we have a minimum speed rule in the cup series. Do they not? They obviously don't have one in Arca. It's lower than seven seconds. Because, I mean, it was ridiculous. When NASCAR purchased ARCA, I thought that would be one of the first things they would fix. I guess you're just so afraid that if you enforce it and that many cars have to park, they don't come back to next week. So listen, two things happened with ARCA, I think. In the late 2000s, 2012, 2013, you started to have these custom-built ARCA cars. So then you created a greater disparity in speed between the fast cars and the

Starting point is 00:55:30 slow cars. Now you have an even greater disparity of speed between the top drivers and the slower drivers, and that's when you get what we got on Thursday. So what do you do? If you're, if you're the president of ARCA, what do you do? You've got to go run street stocks. Like the thing, like the race got considerably I mean it was way more I promise you it was way more entertaining for the first 50 laps while them guys are out there sure it was it looked like the game I used this in the suite

Starting point is 00:55:55 yesterday the game pole position you ever watch the you know you ever play the old arcade game pole position like a step you know a car and you're buzzing through this racetrack and it's just in the way and you've got to steer around it that's what the archer race looked like but when they got finally we finally got rid of most of them at least not even all of them because there was one guy

Starting point is 00:56:11 I counted one guy lost 85 laps under green yeah 85 laps of the 200 lap race. Well, yeah, dude. It takes about 14, 15 seconds to get around there. Seven seconds a lap. That's about right. So, so, you know, but like when they finally, there was one wrecked out like four of them together, which I don't understand how you wrecked own that slow, but they did. The race was actually a racing. And you could watch, it was a hell of a battle between William Swalich and Jesse Love up front, you know, the late, Landon Lewis, late Lewis. I can't remember his name. You know, he ran really well in the 97 car. It was a good

Starting point is 00:56:41 race up front, but like it was painful to watch the beginning because they couldn't race each other because every time they got near each other, they were lapping three guys at a time. So it was once they got them guys, so to answer your question, Brett, I think get rid of them because you're a racing product. I'd rather have 15 good cars out there than 32, and half of them are terrible.

Starting point is 00:56:59 Me too. Yeah, I don't know what the process is to clean that up, but it would be nice for them to come. Enforce minimum speed. Well, it would be nice to have a big arc of field. You know what I mean? Like, I want to see 25, 30 cars in at least more than half of them be competitive. I mean, the last I knew,

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Starting point is 00:58:56 Spot off. Spot off. Spot on. It was super fun yesterday to ride around there. I am spot off. Damn. Where did he come from? And we will kick things off with the Exfinity Series race.

Starting point is 00:59:15 Austin Hill says, who needs enemies when you have teammates? Sheldon Creed makes contact with Hill, turning him and ending his night. I think I heard Brandon Jones say the same thing. Yeah. Who else did you wreck Sam? Yeah. Spot on spot of TJ. I'm spot off.

Starting point is 00:59:35 You know, I don't. Because you did the same thing. This was, that wasn't even close to the same thing right there. Yeah, it's not good for them. They've, and those two have worked good with each other. They go to the plate races. They look for each other. We went to Atlanta.

Starting point is 00:59:48 they would line up and they'd be tough to be. But it's definitely not good when they run into each other. And especially at that point of the season, like they can't afford bad races like that. But yeah, I've been in the same position there as well. So it's not a fun conversation, but I don't think Sheldon came off that corner. I said, yep, this is a lap. I'm done with Austin. You know, just like when Josh did his interview, you hear the other two.

Starting point is 01:00:17 and you, like, kind of disappointed in them thinking that he would just go in there and destroy the cars on purpose like that. No one, you'd have to be a pretty special individual to go in there and say you're going to destroy three of the company cars or at that point, because you're still running, if you're still running for a championship, you're throwing yourself out of it pretty much. But you're, Josh Barry is not going to be there next year. Those two guys are. He's going cup racing. It ruined their night. Like, you don't care if he did it on purpose or not.

Starting point is 01:00:43 You're pissed off. Yeah, but, I mean, there's, there shouldn't even be a thought process of, him, he did it on purpose. He admitted that it was on him. Yeah. I mean, you saw that that is, the exit of the corners at Bristol is, it's a trouble zone. And you know, because one, you don't know, we almost got into it. Lap, I forget who was it, we're going around maybe BJ on the bottom and like Brad was working the middle and we were up top. But you don't know, sometimes a guy's going to come off the corner on the wall. The guy's going to come down off. Oh, yeah. You know, you're maybe half a car down and you're thinking he's going to go out there. So you just misjudge a little

Starting point is 01:01:13 bit and it don't take much. That was like a four. Right. Yeah. Like you just breathe on somebody. he's left rear heavy enough. They're going to go around off four. So, you know, the one thing that, like, and we see it all the time. It happened with Joey Lugano later. You know, these guys go spin out and then they hit that inside wall and it's like a catapult. It springs them back across the racetrack. And it collects, luckily, we were right behind it. And I was telling us suite yesterday. Like, you had to miss that wreck three times. Like, I'm calling. All right, spin to the bottom. Now he's coming back across. Hits the wall. I'm like, now he's coming back across again. So, but yeah, I don't think. I think this is just, you know, creed is a hard racer. And I think he just, you know, misjudged a little bit. And it wasn't obviously. but I don't mean the attention. I'm spot on because this is what makes Bristol special. Teammates can't even be nice to teammates because they're trying so hard. I mean, I remember when, you know, one car would get on the inside and the car on the outside would accidentally brush the wall and it would knock him back down. It would wreck the guy on the inside. So Bristol is one of those places where you can't play nice. You got to go. You got to be giving it your all. And when you see teammates wrecking teammates, that tells me, Matt, that's what they're doing.

Starting point is 01:02:12 Yeah, so I'm spot off for RCR, right? But I'm spot on from a storytelling standpoint, from a fandom standpoint from a race quality standpoint. I thought Austin's exit was very low. And at the same time, Sheldon's the one that's trying to initiate the pass. So it's on him. It's on him to lift there, too. I think both of those things can be true. And to me, that's kind of a quintessential racing incident at Bristol these days. You're expecting the guy go to the wall that's on the outside of you because that's where you go on the edge of the corner. If he holds it down three feet, you're not expecting it. That's how the, that's when Rex, you know, happen. And obviously, Awesome was probably trying to hold them off too. And we were, I was having a spot that way, especially late in that race here and I,

Starting point is 01:02:52 because we were so concerned about losing track time, track position, you know, I would have to tell Bub, but this guy's been chopping the exit a little bit. Like, and we would hurt ourselves to give them extra room, you know, we weren't able to complete passes because we're having to stay down because you can't have that one moment where this guy, you know, he chops the exit a little bit and you're expecting to go to the wall. And now, like Brett said, you make door to door contact. You're going to be the one spinning on the bottom. Or get a flat. spot on spot off naskar throws the caution for martin trex jr hitting the wall and truex said over

Starting point is 01:03:21 the radio was that for me matt spot on spot off um i'm i'm i'm spot off for martin in the sense that i don't know this is a spot on or a spot off that probably should not have been a caution no matter how you slice it the caution would have been for martin it's either for martin hitting the wall or it's for martin being off the pace so there's no scenario in which the 19 car would get the free pass anyway, so I think it's much ado about nothing. They were probably a little quick trigger happy on throwing the caution there. I don't know why. I don't know what they saw there to think that that should be a caution, but I don't think it changes the end result. The 19's not getting the free pass there. Yeah, I agree. I really, they called it for debris, I think, right? Like on the radio, they said,

Starting point is 01:04:05 no, debris down the front, which has been in common in like a couple weeks ago. I forget where we were, Xfinity race. A guy got big sideways off a four, and they instantly put it out. And I I saved it and they're like, oh, debris down the front. I'm like, you're so full of the, there. There ain't no debris over there. It was for debris. Then it became for the contact with the wall. They changed it within like a minute.

Starting point is 01:04:24 We talked about this a lot. I'm kind of, I'm spot off because I don't, there's still not enough consistency for me with that type of scenario. Last year, we hit the wall off a two. We cut a tire hit the wall. We're stuck on the high side all the way to the front stretch. We don't get a caution. I mean, we're creeping around there.

Starting point is 01:04:40 Chris Rebell does the same thing. It gets low in the back stretch. It gets intermediate caution. was why what did we do differently other than just be we were stuck on the high side he gets out of the way and gets the caution we're in the way we don't get a caution now you got a guy that doesn't even spin out right i mean he was probably would have spun out the wall wasn't there but he was still going straight and probably would have kept going i it's reactionary for me because i think that i could see trying to you know play devil's advocate and see their side

Starting point is 01:05:07 of it like you look if you're staring at a monitor or you're staring at the race for the lead and you look up quick and there's smoke billowing off a tire and the guy's not spinning, he's just sideways and you see a little bit of smoke. Like reaction is just, oh, put it out. Like this guy's going to spin and you'd rather them, it's hard to say you'd rather them take a second to let it play out because if that happens, then the guy saves it,

Starting point is 01:05:27 he overcorrects it and comes back across and wipes everybody else out. I'm fine with a caution, just call it. Yeah, I just, yeah, like to your point, just like consistency. We're talking about what the road. Yeah, I think the biggest thing here is a conspiracy theorists. They're going to go,

Starting point is 01:05:39 that didn't want a caution. Did that help? true X. Make the next round. That's what they're, that's what they're, well, he didn't get the free pass because he was part of the caution. He still stopped the race after he had slammed the wall. Was he going to cut a tire? Was he going to have damage? Did he have a, you know what I mean? Like, was he going to have to come to pit road? Well, we don't know any of that. I'll go to say, he's going to slow down. He's going to slow down quite a bit because he just busted his ass and got loose and hit the wall. He is not going to run no super fast laughter to that. So he's going to fade

Starting point is 01:06:04 pretty quick. It's, you know, like in the timing of the caution sometimes doesn't, doesn't lend itself to, you know, It hurts it. Like, you know, they, like, when we had that rain caution early in the race, like, it was, nothing really changed. Like, it was a steady drizzle, I would call it. Nothing really good. They never got really harder, but the second, the 20 got underneath the seven, put it out. Like, what are we doing? Like, is that a coincidence?

Starting point is 01:06:26 I don't know. But, like, you know, I don't know why, you know, I'm not saying that they would do that because who, you know, doesn't really matter to them at that point in the race. But, you know, it's the timing of it sometimes that lends itself to the conspiracy theory. Correct me if I'm wrong. But I think, especially with Bristol, you have to have kind of a quick trick. finger with the rain because that PJ1 when it gets wet. Well, so the resin's not as bad as the PJ1 used to be awful. Like the PJ1, when it rained, you'd have to avoid the resin.

Starting point is 01:06:52 It was pretty slick. It was pretty slick Saturday for a lap or two. It wasn't nowhere near as bad as it was with that PJ1. No, I mean, it was slick, but guys weren't wrecked. But you want them to have that quick trigger at the rain at Bristol, no matter what, because we were talking about it in the suite day today. Like, you're five seconds from any wreck, basically. If a wreck happens, I have a track ahead of you.

Starting point is 01:07:11 You have five seconds to react to that. So, you know, it is, it's, you want them to be that way. But, like, it wasn't, I didn't think it was raining hard enough for a caution at that point. And I was hoping, I was just hoping to get the end of the dance stage. They don't take much chance with rain anymore. Yeah. Well, after that Dayton deal, yeah. No, there's no chance with it.

Starting point is 01:07:26 NASCAR, according to their race report, cited the 19 as the reason for the cost. Yeah, they went back and changed. Yeah. During that rain, because they didn't give them the lucky dog. Yeah. Well, continuing on the topic of incidents on track. Corey LaJoy loses control of his car and starts a wreck that took out. Spot on.

Starting point is 01:07:44 Defending champs. Joey Logano eliminating him from the playoffs. Freddie. Why would you say that? Spot on. What? How about I've seen people listen? This is the, I love NASCAR Twitter because they can, they make me laugh.

Starting point is 01:07:58 I did see one yesterday that, you know, obviously this was, this was intentional. Corey did this on purpose because him and Bubba are friends. And what impeccable timing on Corey's part to be able to spin out, hit that wall, and time it just right so he can come back in and knock the whole rear end out of the 22 car. Corey and Joey are friends. Allegedly. Must not be as good as him and Bubba. He didn't ride to school together.

Starting point is 01:08:21 But listen, spot off. You hate to see this decide. And listen to Corey was very fast. Qualified top 10, got track position, led. He didn't win the stage. I think Bell got him at the end. But, you know, he had speed. And sometimes you see this mistake happened with Corey, especially when he's running

Starting point is 01:08:38 well he can he can overstep at times and and this is look to me like he maybe clipped the apron off of two got you know trying to he was trying to make it three wide on Jones which probably wasn't necessary at that point in the race we were it was so hard to pass like we had four we knew our strategy was we're going to forfeit track position in that second stage because we're going to have to stay out to chase stage points we're going to restart in the 20s somewhere you know especially and then that late caution in that first stage really put it to where guys were going to be able to flip it and now it was going to be a deeper hole to come out of. So you're, I don't even know where we were running that time, probably 17th, 18th, we were right behind him. And, you know, like, where are you

Starting point is 01:09:16 going? Like, he tries to make it three wide, clips the apron, gets loose, chases it up into Jones, ends up spinning himself. And then, you know, like we talked about, hits that inside wall and kind of catapults back across. But, you know, it sucks just wrong place, wrong time for Joey. But I didn't really hurt my feelings a lot. So I'm spot off for the 22 because that's super unfortunate. But again, from a storyline and drama standpoint, that's what you sign up for in this format, right?

Starting point is 01:09:41 To me, the most remarkable thing and the most memorable thing about that entire thing is that Joey came in to do his post availability for his check-in. And he was in disbelief. He could not believe that had happened. We were asking him questions about

Starting point is 01:09:57 now that you're going to be eliminated. And he keeps looking up at the TV screen just to see if he's not still 34. Yeah. Like, is 33rd, 32nd, can this happen? And he's like, I still think there could be a way and there just, there wasn't. And so in that moment, it's so obvious to me and we want to share this with fans at home how much he cares, how invested he is. And this format, I think, shows you how much the championship and advancing means to these teams.

Starting point is 01:10:27 And that part of it's spot on to me. Yeah, we talked about this last week, Brett, on this show, like somebody is going to have trouble. and a lot of times at Bristol, it's not of your making. It's, you get collected in somebody else's issue. It's easy there. Martinsville, obviously, Talladega, Daytona, but I was looking at Joy Laganos, laps led after you brought that up, Matt.

Starting point is 01:10:43 He's led, he's led so far this year, the least amount of laps. He's led in the last eight years. Now, clearly, he's got seven more races to go out and do it. But he's on pace, 260 laps led. I mean, those big years for him, he was leading over 900, so we haven't seen him or realistically any of the Fords other than RFCK

Starting point is 01:11:00 up front a lot, you know, the second half of this year. So it does suck for him. It sucks for his guys. But I'm going to tell you something, man. I think Corey Lejoy, I think his world's about to change because he got an opportunity to get in that nine car. Great opportunity to go out there and showcase how fast he is. But he hasn't ever had a teammate put pressure on him like it's getting ready to happen when we get to 2024.

Starting point is 01:11:26 I don't think he's on the hot seat, but we've seen drivers look good drivers. I mean, you look at Eric Jones's Ricky St. 10 houses. I mean, there's been big-name drivers that we've seen get on the hot seat. I think next year, if he doesn't go out here and really, I mean, because he's the veteran. He's the one with all the experience. He's been at Spire what now? Four years? I mean, he's got to go out there and be the Spire A driver. And if he's not, I think he gets on the hot seat for 25. And that team is investing a lot. They've got the Cambridge money coming in now. The expectation is to no longer be 20th to 25th. They're now in that 15th playoff contender kind of

Starting point is 01:12:01 mode and as a veteran driver, to me, if I'm Corey LaJoy, it's a playoff or bus season next year. Wow, that's a big statement. And, like, listen, I love our playoff. I get the significance of it. I don't think making the playoff is elite. I think our round of eight is elite. I think that's our best legitimate eight teams, eight drivers that are out there. Playoff or bus for Lejoy.

Starting point is 01:12:22 Yeah. Wow. That's big. Big statement. TJ, anything out there? They kind of covered everything. I'm spot off. I was clapping and cheering on.

Starting point is 01:12:30 Yeah. Yeah, you hate to see it. Well, I mean, seriously, you don't want to see people. Listen, this is why. This is like last week when you were in a little bit old of Casey and you were trying to act like you weren't. I wasn't a mean to Casey. Look who's talking. I don't, this is why, like, Joey's had a rough season.

Starting point is 01:12:49 He hasn't had a lot of speed at times. He hasn't, and how many times we said, oh, Paul pulled a rabbit out of the hat numerous times this year? And that doesn't give you a lot of wiggle room. in this scenario. So if something happens, this is where you get bid. I mean, you just can't afford it.

Starting point is 01:13:06 If T.J. doesn't like a driver, he gives a lot of innu windows. He's very condescending. I mean, it used to be Denny. You know, he used to be such a d.

Starting point is 01:13:13 Denny on here. Still am. Speaking of being a d. Danny, where's Dalton? Is he here yet? He's at, no,

Starting point is 01:13:23 he's back at the office. I was going to say he's at Denny's, but he wasn't. Oh. Because do you remember yesterday when we took the picture what he said?

Starting point is 01:13:29 Yeah. Yeah. What he said? Instead of smile. Did he say, Did he say, Dany Hamilton? Oh, yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 01:13:34 No, so like someone was said, like, give us something to say. And Doughton's like, uh, Dany Hamlin. And then the whole suite went nuts. Yeah. Except for the Denny Hamlet fans.

Starting point is 01:13:43 That one Denny Hamlet fans and me. Well, the one. I dragged him off the bar. Freddie dragged him off the bar. Yeah. I think one of the Denny Hamlet fans was there for it. What was the girl that treated herself to her graduation president?

Starting point is 01:13:54 She drove. She drove from Texas. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She pulled a Matt Weaver drove from Texas. that's not far that's far

Starting point is 01:14:03 we're a group I think from Maine from Toronto like there are some people who came far distances for forget about Chelsea there's definitely people from Maine there listen when y'all see me at Texas on Sunday know that it's coming from Martinsville oh wow okay

Starting point is 01:14:17 flying no driving driving go good luck oh well back to Denny spot on spot off Denny Hamlin leads the last 140 laps at Bristol responding to fans booze saying I beat your favorite drivers. I remember a couple months ago on here. I can't remember who we were talking about, but you said, Brett, that you, if you were this person, you would go to like the WWE class

Starting point is 01:14:45 to learn how to be the heel. Yeah. And I think Danny took you up on that offer because he he is doing a phenomenal job of embracing the villain role right now. Listen, Earnhardt did a great job with it. Kyle Bush did a great job with it, and I'm here for it. I mean, it's like you said on here a few weeks ago. If they announce your name or you win a race and nobody cheers or nobody booze, you're pretty irrelevant from a fan engagement perspective. Denny, he's got everybody's attention.

Starting point is 01:15:13 He's getting more booze than Bubba. He's getting more booze than Kyle. He is the new most hated guy in NASCAR. You can always tell when Denny's doing something on the front stretch. The biggest waste of your time as a NASCAR fan, for at least the rest of this year would be going on the most popular driver of vote and voting for Denny Hamlin because I promise you he ain't going to win it let me ask you this aside from the villain stuff I mean talk about catching fire at the right time like how is this

Starting point is 01:15:41 guy not the favorite he probably should have won Darlington got a loose wheel probably should have won Kansas got a late caution and now he does win Bristol dominates the end of Bristol came from the back after a speeding penalty at stage one like he's the fastest guy out there and Toyota in general or fast right now, but I think it's hemorrhetic. That'd be the two I'd pick. So my favorite thing about Denny right now, and really this is my favorite thing about the current NASCAR product altogether, is that when I first started coming to races in 2010, 2011, the sports stars were so overly concerned with being Fortune 500 corporate. And I thought, you know, listen, Jimmy's not as vanilla as people say he is, but it was the Jimmy Johnsonification

Starting point is 01:16:23 of NASCAR. And as part of this next-gen era, our sports stars are so colorful and flamboyant, and they're not afraid to be the bad guy. And I think 10 years ago, people were afraid to be the bad guy because what does that mean about our corporate sponsorships or our partners? We're making our partners out to be the bad guy. And we have a handful of guys who just do not care, whether they're loved or hated or get the middle fingers, and, you know, Jenny calls them the 11s out there.

Starting point is 01:16:51 And I think it's just great for the sport. If the TV model comes through and these teams legitimately get more TV money than what they get now, you're going to see that continue to be the case. Because in the past, we had to have corporate sponsorship to afford to show up in race. And that sponsorship dictated your resources. And now with the TV modeling, we're more like other pro sports, you know, where we get a bigger piece of the pie, well, then now you're, you don't have to depend on necessarily that corporate feel that you're talking about. So I am also here for that. I mean,

Starting point is 01:17:25 I hope the teams go in and get a percentage of hot dog sales, a percentage of parking, a percentage of every single thing that's out there is a sport, because in our sport, our teams do not get that. Yes, I'm, I'm spot on because I was walking to the truck and could hear it. So it was exciting for the fans, and, you know, Denny's embracing it very well. you can go look at his... Did you boo him? I was already at the shot. He was already gone.

Starting point is 01:17:49 He was booing all the way down the stairs. He was... Yeah, elevator, everything. I knew it. Yeah, I mean, he's... It's funny. I mean, I like when he goes and takes pictures of the guys that are flipping him off and posting him.

Starting point is 01:18:01 I mean... The funniest thing he did in the last, like, years is that 11s. You know, I appreciate you guys. Give me 11s. You know, like big fans, I thank you. He walks out, you know, like, just the villain role. Like, you know, he walks out, and obviously the place blows up booing him. and he just goes to, you know, everybody's going to the mic introducing themselves, their sponsors, their car number,

Starting point is 01:18:19 and he walks up and just says, you know, and walks off. Yeah, why do they hate him? What is it? What is it right now that makes people hate Dennyham? I think it starts with Chase Elliott at Martinsville in 2017. That was like the start of the hill turn if we want to go. He got hit. He got hit into him.

Starting point is 01:18:35 But if Chase is involved, you're always the bad guy, no matter what. Oh, I know. And I think he's completely leaned into that narrative. of, and I think he's at a point in his life and career, and he's got the new contract. There's nothing that he needs to justify about his role in the sport. So if you want to boo him for it, as far as he's concerned, bring it on. I thought the Domino's commercial was fixing a lot of things, and it didn't. PJ, nice PJs.

Starting point is 01:19:02 Yeah. Yeah, I don't think that fixed anything. I mean, who doesn't love love? I mean, he's been a part of some pretty significant TV campaigns. Yeah. A lot of times that'll correct your most hated status. I don't think he wants to be correct. I think he's funny because at the same time, when you talk about he's hated, you see,

Starting point is 01:19:17 I feel like I see more 11 merch too, because of course you're going to have that devil's advocate of, if you hate the guy, I'm going to love him, you know? So I think it's very polarizing, but he's got a bigger base, a bigger fan base now than he's ever had. He, yeah, I mean, partnered with Michael Jordan. How do you hate a guy who did that? Yeah, the Martinsville thing probably started it, though. That was the, that was the beginning. Listen, there's a lot of, I mean, you go out and, like, no, there's no secret that my guy is not the most powerful.

Starting point is 01:19:42 popular and then Denny hired him to drive his car. That didn't help it. You know, like, that didn't help him either. Like, even when Chase, when I spot in that race for Joey and Chase destroyed him, like, still, you still booted him. You shouldn't have been in, you shouldn't have been there. Yeah, you're in the way. That's his track, his race. They shouldn't have been there. Well, there you have it. Why Danny Hamlins hated. Hey, Doorbunper Clear fans, it's Mike Davis here, president of Dirtymo Media and co-hosted the Dell Jr. Download. Now, look, they say don't do this, but I'm going to make a couple assumptions about you, okay? Let's see, if you're listening to door bumper clear, that means you're probably a NASCAR fan. And if you're a NASCAR fan,

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Starting point is 01:21:30 Don't forget at RacingUSA.com. You're always guaranteed the lowest prices. Hey, Casey, would you get them guys a dictionary so they can find a new big word? I am sick and tired of phenomenal. Phenomenal. If Freddy goes and takes this shit, it was phenomenal. So get them a dictionary so they can pick out a new big word. Thank you.

Starting point is 01:21:57 On it. Dictionary. I need a cinnamon for phenomenal. Cinnamon? Cinnamon, yeah. I tell you what Ligano better do. Ligano needs to go and get a bunch of those pennies that Corey keeps stacking and put them in a stock and find Corey on pit road after this.

Starting point is 01:22:14 race and teach him to learn how to drive. Poor Joey. Come on, Corey. Go back to another series because you're going to get stacked with some pennies in your head. Aggressive. Out of work, Corey. I appreciate you. Yeah. Promoting violence.

Starting point is 01:22:27 Big fan. Extraordinary, outstanding, fantastic, marvelous. Incredible. Marvelous. I'm using Marvelous from now on. Marvelous. That last call was fucking marvelous. Well, I know that I'm going to be Brett's.

Starting point is 01:22:41 What an idiot today because we all know fans aren't allowed to have their own opinion, but man, good thing we're not going back to Bristol dirt next year because, man, you know, with Bristol dirt,

Starting point is 01:22:50 they'll get a little bit sideways there, you know, not have enough forward driving, they're going to throw the caution for it. I know he's in front of the leaders, but geez,

Starting point is 01:22:58 he straightened it out. It was all good. It was going to keep up going to be sideways more than he was. But we're going to throw another caution. What's he talking about? True X. True X.

Starting point is 01:23:08 Yeah. True X got sideways at the fence. Well, I saw that. That he's saying, like, if we run dirt, that everybody's going to be sideways

Starting point is 01:23:14 and you're going to throw more questions. Actually, we don't really go sideways and run dirty either. We literally creeper on the bottom or where the grip is. We don't really go sideways. We don't really go sideways. We're not slinging in anything. No. I know that I'm not the only motherfucker on this planet.

Starting point is 01:23:30 This tired of listening to Mike Davis' app on every damn Dale Jr. Downloading and complimenting the hell out of Alex Tim. We know. we know Mike Davis shut the fuck up about it Jesus listen

Starting point is 01:23:49 the only thing that I will say there's two things like I tweeted a couple weeks ago the funniest thing about the dirty moe podcast is at the end of all the shows when Dale's giving out

Starting point is 01:23:59 the social handles the way he says TikTok like I just laugh every time but now the funniest thing is at the end of the Draft King reads they have sped Dale up to about two times

Starting point is 01:24:09 three times and it's like he sounds like the old micro machines guy but yeah And the one question I have, maybe since Tiffs here, she can answer this, how come they haven't given us that erectile dysfunction read yet? I don't know. I feel like we would do a phenomenal job with that one.

Starting point is 01:24:23 Oh, I'm sorry, a marvelous job. Freddie, it's a very hard read. It's a very hard read, I would imagine. My favorite thing that Del Jr. used to say was zip recruiter in the way he would say it. So he's gone from recruiting people to talking about. Listen, if you go back and you got to listen. and one of the Dale's shows, he does the same draft kings

Starting point is 01:24:47 read that we have, and it's at the end. Could we speed ours up? Do a lot of our fans have a rectal dysfunction? I saw ours down. I mean, maybe that's Gluck's next poll is do you have an erectile dysfunction? And listen to DBC. Because I want to know.

Starting point is 01:25:01 Hopefully those people that are in the hot tub have it. Actually, that's valid point. I mean, that hot tub is getting full. But could you imagine showing up that hot tub with a bottle full of arrestile dysfunction medicine? No, we don't want to think about that. They'd be like fiends over that stuff. All right. Well, this show has taken a turn.

Starting point is 01:25:21 Well, I do something, Casey. What? So listen, and when did y'all do the personality trait thing? What? The colors? Oh, yeah. That's like part of our onboarding. Yeah, so I'm definitely in a green.

Starting point is 01:25:35 Onboarding? Yeah, like waterboarding? What is that? Yeah. Basically, that's a phase of it. So when I was at Hendrick. We did this personality training stuff, and it's really accurate, how it's scary. Do you answer all these questions?

Starting point is 01:25:48 They come back and give you this whole sheet on what you're like, and it is to a T. Like, you're like, whoa, it's kind of scary, but. I'm not taking that test. No, it's actually, I'm, be disappointed in yourself. You're definitely a red. Have you ever done it? Well, I saw the one, like, rotating on Twitter where it's the colors. Yes.

Starting point is 01:26:05 That one? Yes. I was red. Yeah, he's red for sure. He's dark red. He's maroon. You're a blue or, I'm a green. I'm a blue.

Starting point is 01:26:12 Yeah, I'm green. green. I don't know what each color mean? Well, Dale said the blue is cool. Well, if you're red in the face, usually it means that pill you took work. How do you know? Hopefully only four hours. I don't know. I haven't done this one. Hey, listen, we do have a buddy that he took one and like he had to go to the hospital. So the side of fact, who? Wait, who? So, oh, you know him. I know. I'm giving zero hint. But like eight hours later. He's not sitting at the table. I will say that. What car is he on? Eight, eight hours. hours later, he went to the emergency room.

Starting point is 01:26:46 Okay. Well, anyways, didn't need his hand to hold a towel up. Do we have? Y'all brought it up. I'm just telling you a story. He technically did after. Now the whole garage is going on up. We're definitely getting this ad read now.

Starting point is 01:27:00 Can you tell what the color traits are? I mean, I found something like red, green, blue, and yellow are the colors. Red profile indicates a direct personality. That's definitely Brett. Green denotes an extroverted nature. blue are paste and yellow personalities are structured. Blues, what? Blues are paste and yellow personalities are structured.

Starting point is 01:27:22 They eat paste? Yeah, what is you? Like paste, like P-A-C-E-D, not paste. Oh, yeah. I got a different one. What do you got? I don't know you guys. My blue is trustworthy, intelligent, confident.

Starting point is 01:27:34 The yellow is active, positive, and friendly. My red was aggressive, passionate, sort of. Red. Red. What's green? Is there, what's green? The green is reliable, wise, and responsible.

Starting point is 01:27:46 That's me. That's definitely me. I really don't think we have any issues. Is marvelous on there anywhere? That's what I was going. No color is needed. I'm definitely green because whenever Del Dr. Dream would have to go to appearances, I'd be like, hey, man, you got to get ready.

Starting point is 01:28:01 He's like, at one time he's like, you're so by the book. And he got mad. I'm not the one that has to be there. You are. I'll send the link. And how about next week? everyone takes their personality test. Do you really need to?

Starting point is 01:28:14 You're good. All right, let's move on. Brett's going to lie. Brett, do the opposite. Answer the opposite of what you think. Okay. I'm still hung up on this freaking E-D thing you're talking about.

Starting point is 01:28:28 Why? I'm just curious how many people can't need help, you know? See. All right, Brandon? I mean, I'm getting close to 50. We're taking some hands over there. We're taking a poll in his room. Do you need help, Brandon?

Starting point is 01:28:39 Andrew. Ready? I think we're good. As the 30, as a 30 demographic, I'm good. Oh, well. Are we know what calls? No, no.

Starting point is 01:28:52 I was just waiting. Jenna's over there right in HR right now. Please schedule a meeting. I don't want to turn this thing off. We're still picking that out. Harder than said, a woodpecker list. I'm just going to play the next column. Yeah, go to the next one.

Starting point is 01:29:07 Yeah, I thought it was a pretty good race. We got a little drop one from now. Why on Earth? Do you people not have air conditioning? It is 2023. They sell air conditioners. Put one in. We're tired of hearing you all b***ach about it.

Starting point is 01:29:22 Hey, good news. It's nice in here now. It's comfortable. I'm actually cold. I'm cold in here. I'm not cold, but it's nice in here now. But it helps it. It's not 100 degrees outside.

Starting point is 01:29:31 We would love to know the answer to your question from May until September. Yeah. Well, that's because they turn it on 10 minutes where we got here. We got something over there now. Yeah, but it literally gets turned on. Well, the problem is noise. Like, we can't have. have air. Well, it doesn't run either over here. Well, that's what I'm saying.

Starting point is 01:29:46 The problem is there's no ducks in here for air conditioning. That's actually the real problem. Who looked at this studio and decided it was a good idea? Mike Davis. He said, let them, he's probably trying to help us. It's like a sauna. It's like you're trying to help us get some meanwhile. He's down there in a lap of luxury. I mean, listen, I saw what that studio transformed into because when I used to do with Mike Davis, it was like a little, that little, yeah, it was like a closet. And look at it now. Look at Denny's. That's at his house, though, right? Yeah.

Starting point is 01:30:16 20 bill one at your house. No. Let's put one at your house. You don't want anything to do in my house? I'm not going to Brett's house. I'm not going to Brett's house. No more. RPG room can be the recording studio.

Starting point is 01:30:27 There you go. We can do it there. Just what I've always dreamed of. Hey, Andrew. It's nice to meet you at the track this weekend, but you got to keep your head on a swivel in the garage, man. I saw the pace car about take you out. You almost get hit by the pace car? Yeah, because it was like during a restart.

Starting point is 01:30:43 What an is. idiot. During a race? Like, during the race? No, no, like, so you know how like the, I guess I didn't, I didn't see. He is crossed up right here. He is crossed up. Yeah, yeah, that word locked up. The security guards were like, hold on, wait, and I was about to cross and the pace car just comes like flying in. Because, you know, it cuts across the media center. It would have been much better for content purposes if you would have ended up on the hood of the base car. How many years have you been going to racetracks? Uh, like 10 or 10, 11 years. That's a lot to be about to get run over.

Starting point is 01:31:12 So listen, this happens a lot. First time at Bristol, though, so I didn't know the pace car route yet. So I think this was 2013 where it was the late model driver, Chris Van Dyke's wife, got nearly ran over, got hit by Kyle Bush, who had just pulled off the track under Green, and she was kind of meandering in front of the media center, and Kyle comes in like a bad out of hill and actually clips her. And we find out later, oh, that's Chris Van Dyke's wife, someone who's been in the racing industry for like 15 years.

Starting point is 01:31:39 We're the ones getting hit. Yeah. Wow. It looks like your phone's been hit. A lot. Holy cow, this got more miles on than your truck. Yeah, you guys talk about the truck. This thing's been through it more.

Starting point is 01:31:51 This thing got ran over at Slinger Speedway. I couldn't tell. Slinger. So I'm down, sitting down for this Friday night NASCAR race, and I'm watching this guy in 88 seems pretty good. But I just have one question. There's no way this guy's affiliated with Junior Motorsports. I mean, I didn't see him run or crash into any other J.R.

Starting point is 01:32:12 driver all night. I thought that was a requirement to race there. Anyways, it's great to see, you know, one out of five JARM cars finish the race, and we can have some more drama next week. Yeah, I mean, Dale did a great job. Like, they had their fucking pit crew. Who was doing, who was chaining tires on that thing? He went behind us and came out like five spots ahead of us,

Starting point is 01:32:31 and then he ended up leading that run. I saw that. I was wondering the same thing. I'm like, did they do too? I'm like, what's going on here? They had good stops. Really good stops. He did a good job all night.

Starting point is 01:32:40 Listen, and I wasn't surprised. You know, a lot of people were like, oh, man, Dale Jr.'s fast. I didn't think, I thought he'd run 15. Dale Jr. has a ton of laps around that racetrack, especially compared to the rest of the field. He knows what it takes to run the high side, which is where the groove went. So, yeah, he's been out of the car for a while. Right, you know he ran the bottom the entire time. I saw that.

Starting point is 01:32:56 But still, he's a ton of experience at Bristol Motor Speedway. And I think the same thing happens at Homestead. I mean, that's a place where he, he's got a lot of experience. The groove moves around. Like, I think he'll be a, I'll think it'll be a factor. I thought he was interesting to hear him talk about afterwards. you know, like relating it to a golf game. Like if you, if you know, if you're just making par as,

Starting point is 01:33:17 par as part, whatever, you know, or bogies and you're not running well, it's like, all right, you know, what, this is probably dwindling down and I'm, I'm bad right. And here you go in position to win this race. And it's like, all right, you know, now I want to, I'm ready to damn sign back up and do them all now, you know. So hopefully, hopefully he runs well. Well, even the Richmond, the last Richmond race I did for him,

Starting point is 01:33:34 I'm wanting to say we were leading that race and the caution came out late again for something else and he got beat on a restart. He's not, a late restart, he's in trouble because he's not aggressive enough with these guys. He doesn't want to ruin their races. A late restart and he's going to fade some. But if you let it single out and it turns into a long run, he's going to be a factor. Is there a pop in motorsports quite like the Dell Jr. pop still in 23? No.

Starting point is 01:33:59 I mean, you could still, like he takes the lead and the place goes ab-b-b-it again. Like, you know, obviously the crowd size is not the same. But, yeah, but no, there's no reaction like he gets. I was so happy to see him have that run because I think that the industry, if he wants to keep doing it for a while longer, we need him to show up once or twice a year to kind of provide that jolt because there's nothing like a Dale Jr. race. And the cool thing is he can do it in the playoffs. He can bring that big superstar presence to an Xfinity Series playoff race, which only helps all those other drivers that are out there too because more people are going to come, more people are going to watch. Hey, DBC, just got back from the Dirty Mode Media Ultimate Experience.

Starting point is 01:34:41 Just want to say, everybody who gets that together, I really appreciate you. All the personalities are great. And if anybody's listening, and you've been thinking about going, you really should do it because it is awesome. I just got one thing to say, T.J. Majors, I can tell he's a little guy just from his voice, but he's just, when you see him in person, he's just so much time here. He is just a tiny little guy. He's so funny. Yeah, and that just explains a lot. So I just had to get that off my chest.

Starting point is 01:35:12 Fun-sized. Yeah. Just a tiny little guy. Yeah. I appreciate it. One shout out to all of the people that came to hang out with us. Two, shout out to Brett and Spot On Activation, Shana, Megan, that kind of took everybody.

Starting point is 01:35:25 And I don't know what it looked like by the... Well, when I stay next to you and Brett, I look smaller, for sure. So thank you to them. I thank you all the people that worked in the suite. But thanks. Franks were coming out mostly. Yeah, Dirtymo Media, man. Great client of ours.

Starting point is 01:35:39 Have a lot of fun. And listen, that's, we've done five of those things, I think, at this point. We've done Bristol, Vegas, the Roble. And obviously we repeated, uh, repeated Vegas in Bristol. That was the rowdiest crowd. There was people, like I said, there was drunk people in there at 4 o'clock or 4.30 Whenever we were, so I can't imagine what that looked like at 10 o'clock. A couple of them I knew were going to need NASA for the race.

Starting point is 01:36:02 We, everybody got one shot of fireball. And some people got more than one. How many did that kid do? That's what I was going to ask. No, no. That kid was funny, though. He was pumped up to be there. How cool is it?

Starting point is 01:36:14 But think about this, though. How cool is it as a kid to get to go do an experience that is, I mean, listen, it's a big price point. We know that about it. It's $1,200 a person. Like, man, I never got to do anything that cool as kid. I never did that. There was like a family of five in there.

Starting point is 01:36:28 Good for them. Yeah, it's a good weekend. That was among one of the most fun days I've had at the track hanging out in that. That's a big statement. You've been going for 10, 12 years. Yeah. I almost got killed. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:36:42 I'm glad this sweet outweighed your near-death experience. I mean, it wasn't near-death. But, I mean, that pace car came pretty quick. I wish you would have got hurt. I wish he would have got hurt. Dude, he's got his Iron Man thing coming. You can't hurt Iron Man. Could you imagine?

Starting point is 01:37:00 Like, we would have had to build a one idiot. We would have had to build a one idiot. Hall of Fame. I've got the best idea. ever had on this show. Give Andrew. Let's slip one of those pills in his Ironman drink the morning of the race.

Starting point is 01:37:13 You guys are record. Talk about Iron Man. We know who's finished first. Yeah, yeah. They don't have to do any. Course record. Hey.

Starting point is 01:37:22 It's a photo finish. They don't have to do any that army crawling stuff, do they? Oh, valid point. Beat him by a, uh, never mind. Y'all are giving visuals we did not need. Any,

Starting point is 01:37:34 are we done with all here? Thank you, God, don't swim on your back. All the guys in here are laughing. And all the girls are shaking their head and not very funny. Never mind, it's not a great idea. How's your backstroke look? All right. Well.

Starting point is 01:37:51 Go to sail? Sail away. You can give us a call. Let us know what you think about. I don't even know. Just let us. know you think. Caller Dany Number 704802-9572. Thank you for those you called in. I'm losing control of the show, so let's move on to Ask DBC. Submit your questions to us.

Starting point is 01:38:21 Is it bigger? By using. It's like a rudder. Ask hashtag Ask BBC. Oh, fuck. It's hot in here again. Jesus. Oh, God. This first question is from Cassie. What inspired Matt to become a racing journalist, and why does he care so much about grassroots racing?

Starting point is 01:38:44 Okay, so listen, I told this story earlier. My dad's a dirt racer, and so to me, it's really all I've ever known, right? So, like, I always wanted to be in the sport. I wanted to race. That got to be very expensive. I went to school, decided to go that direction. But really, from a grassroots standpoint, I always wanted to be in. in NASCAR, right? Anyone who is in racing, they tend to want to work on Sundays, and I do. I still

Starting point is 01:39:08 love Sundays and what I do there. But the one story I would tell is I went to a pro-late model race at Mobile, my home track, and anyone who's in racing, they know the Vanderley family, and back then DJ was still racing, and being from Mobile, really good friends with the Vanderleys, so I stood on top of their hauler, and this is like really early in my career, like 2009, 2010, and they were parked next to Mike Garvey, and they were involved in a crash together, and I'm standing on top of the Vanderlea hauler, and they're right next to each other, just jawing at each other, and I'm like, man, I want to talk to all these people. I want to know what their backstories together are, why are they so mad at each other,

Starting point is 01:39:47 and I did that, and being able to tell those sorts of really raw stories about people who are not racing for millions of dollars is really the impetus behind why I cover grassroots racing because the stakes are not as high from a financial standpoint, but they are from an investment standpoint, if that makes sense. I got a question. So I know what it takes to apply to a NASCAR race and say, I want to come be a media member at your event. Will you give me a credential? What about all these other places you go to? How does that work? It's similar, right? I mean, for NASCAR, right? I haven't had to have a hard card, right? So it's been a long time since I've had to go through the track. But it's similar in the same standpoint that you

Starting point is 01:40:28 reach out to the track and say, hey, I'm coming. This weekend at Martinsville, it's a NASCAR track. So it's the NASCAR comms people. But typically for Slinger, you know, I text Todd Thielen and say, hey, I'm coming. Or Tim Bryan at Pensacola for the Derby, text or email. So it's very procedural. And it's just, hey, they know who I am, right? Yeah.

Starting point is 01:40:48 This next one is from Mark. What the f. Does Matt refrigerate ketchup after opening? I don't know where this came from, but this started to, take off in the last two weeks. I don't. And people tell me that it's this cardinal sin. I don't do it with barbecue either. Me either with barbecue. I do with ketchup. It just, it tastes gross. So I don't have to with ketchup. It says refrigerator after a... I'm still standing here. So whether or not I can. But yeah, it tastes pasty and yeah. I didn't know. I'm like ketchup. I put

Starting point is 01:41:22 ketchup on ketchup and I refrigerated it. You put ketchup on ketchup? I would eat ketchup. Yeah, I could eat ketchup. In recent years, I've defaulted to the ketchup packet because people have told me for so long that what I do is not cool. So I now say I pack it. If you open my pantry up, I bet I have six bottles of ketchup sitting there on the shelf. You put ketchup omel bag of cheese? I can, yeah. This next one is from Jonathan. Who finishes higher in points in 2024, call expire, or Rick Ware?

Starting point is 01:41:50 And do any of these teams have a car that makes the playoffs? I said Corey has to make the playoff, so I'm going to go there. I still think their best bet is a super speedway race. But I thought early this year, that 17 was running so good from a consistency standpoint. We were 12 races in, and I think they were like 16th, 17th and points, and so they're capable of that. I think colleagues can be stronger too. But because I said Corey has to win a race and win a playoff spot, I'm going to say, Corey. I think Spire definitely will have the most potential to do.

Starting point is 01:42:24 so. I think the, what they're getting ready to do over there, you know, we hear influx of money coming in. We're hearing about them expanding possibly to other series. You know, they are going to have the best opportunity. You know, Rick Ware is going to, I think all these teams are taking a step in certain directions. Rick Ware is obviously taking a big step up next year. They, they are, they took a big step this year. And they're only going to get better next year with Justin and I assume the 15 will kind of be that same Newman, Yaley kind of rotation. I don't know. I haven't heard anything on that car. We're still waiting to hear about the 16 cup car. But, you know, you know, you know,

Starting point is 01:42:54 Like Brett mentioned earlier, that driver roster of, you know, Corey, Carson, and then Zane, like, that's potential for somebody to go out there and steal a win possibly. I mean, the five drivers in conversation here, T.J. R. Hemrick, Lejoy, as far as you said, Zane Smith and Justin Haley. I mean, and you're asking, there's no way more than one of those is going to make it. No. So of those five, which one? I'm leaning towards Corey. He's got the most experienced and he can put together. I think Carson's going to shine at times, but I think Carson's going to have more DNA. He doesn't he, that just, young.

Starting point is 01:43:28 You know, in my opinion, none of them make the playoffs. Who has the best chance is probably coming down to a plate race. And Corey finds himself, I feel like, in position more often than not at the end of those things. So that's where I'm leaning there with. My big question mark is, how much is Rick Ware really going to utilize our FK? And if that alliance is as strong as what Justin Haley led me to believe it may end up being, he didn't say it would be, but may end up being. And we've seen Rick Ware do a lot of things this year for,

Starting point is 01:43:54 from a personnel perspective. And from a crew guy perspective, I mean, I've had this conversation before. It's hard to get top-level crew guys to come work on a car when you know that drivers are getting in the cars that have never won anything. It's easier when you're having a conversation with a guy that's won Xfinity Series races. And Hill Justin's one in every single series, trucks, cup, and Xfinity. So I think Wriguerre's got a lot of good things going on.

Starting point is 01:44:19 Colleague, a lot of question marks there on that 16 car, like Freddie said. And the question for me is, man, who's that team? Is it going to be a veteran? Is it going to be a guy who's won before? Is it going to be a guy who can win? Because Daniel Hemrick, for whatever reason, he lacks wins. He's a great race car driver. He's a great dude. But one win, and however many years he's been in these national touring series,

Starting point is 01:44:40 doesn't scream that he's going to go out and win a race to make a playoff. And I do think, y'all are absolutely right. They're going to have to win one of these races to make a playoff. And being where they're at, there aren't many chances. road courses, plate races, it's hard to still win these days in this car. Are you guys surprised that Hemrick hasn't won more? Because he's always up front. He's always the brides made second again on Friday.

Starting point is 01:45:03 Why has that not translated more to wins? I feel like, and Brett can speak to this more so than I can because he's spotted for him for a season. You know, he just makes mistakes. You know, he has speed, but then, you know, when he's in contention sometimes, he'll speed up at road or get in the fence. And a lot of that, I think, comes from him. He is one of, he thinks about every single detail that is going on in that race.

Starting point is 01:45:28 And sometimes I think it hurts them. Overthinks would be my answer. And Freddie finally got around to it. You know, and again, has speed, has experience. I mean, there was a time when I said he was the best driver at RCR and he hadn't even won yet. And I still think he's got that. But I think he's got, look, this is his last shot. He's going to get the cup.

Starting point is 01:45:47 He's coming in on a car that, you know, needs to run top 20, beginning. of the year, Chris Rice settled on the show. They were struggling. Now they know kind of where they're at. AJ's been showing a lot of speed at ovals. So Hemrick's getting in that car at the right time, but he's going to have to go out there and perform. This is a make-a-break year for him. I agree. Before we move on, I got a, I sent that tweet out this morning about asking Matt questions. I got a good one. Do you plan your schedule out, like start to finish beginning of the year, or is it more like, you know, like week-to-week basis? Obviously, you know what races you're going, the big ones, but, you know, weekly, like, are you moving the schedule much?

Starting point is 01:46:20 Yeah, so I'm smiling big right now because I actually have kind of a meticulous process. I'll tweet this later this week, but I buy every October, this big, thick, physical planner. And it's got like the three by three inches day by day. And I write down every single race that I could theoretically go to on a given day. So there will be some days, like on a Friday, it'll be a tour-type modified race here, super late race here, the truck race is here. and two or three weeks ahead, I'll be like, okay, am I going to the cup race? Because that kind of dictates it, right?

Starting point is 01:46:54 Cup first. And then, well, is there an SRX race, that Wednesday or Thursday, and kind of reverse engineer my schedule? I think a fan should win an experience to just ride with you for a week. I mean, again, I mean, what a cool thing to do. I mean, you're living, if you're a race fan, you're literally living every single race fan's dream. Now, I don't know that they have the posture to,

Starting point is 01:47:17 to keep it up. That's what's so impressive about it for me is you just keep doing it. Like after a month of that, I'd be like, I'm tired. I need to go home. I need to rest. Well, I don't know any better, right? Like, I don't know what I don't know because I don't fly a ton, right? So, and I've learned to love the process. And I will say this, not because I'm here right now, but you guys get me through so many drives and have contributed to me being able to make two more hours. So thank you all for that. You're welcome, man. We're glad you listen. What an idiot. Moving on to What an Idiots.

Starting point is 01:48:04 Matt, do you have anyone you want to kick things off with? Yeah, well, so I thought about this yesterday when I was kind of preparing, and we've kind of beat around the bush on this topic, but I still go back to anyone who thinks that Josh Berry, who is like the pillar of junior motorsports for 13 years, is going to one sabotage, you know, three cars, sabotage his own championship chances. He wants that championship so bad. And most importantly, I've known Josh for the entirety of those 13 years, and I've seen him

Starting point is 01:48:37 finally snap on Bobby McCarty. I know what eventually drives him to that point, and it's not what happened at Bristol. It just makes no sense. And if you think that Josh is going to sabotage this company that has been his heart and soul, you're an idiot. I agree with you. Who do you got? Well, how often do I text you during the week or on the weekend and asking you,

Starting point is 01:49:00 who does the driver drive for? Yeah. It's often. I mean, Freddie, who does this guy drive for? And you'll tell me the team name and I'll be like, oh, okay, I knew that. Well, I left here last week and I had to go to Sandusky, Ohio. And on the day before on this show, I got on here and was saying that crew chief should be kicked out and all that. Guess where I had to go?

Starting point is 01:49:20 Thor Sport. Thor sport. I walked in, I saw Ty Majeski's truck, and I was like, I was like, first thing Rich Luscious says when he walks up to me, go, enjoyed your show yesterday, Brett. And I was like, I'm an idiot. What an idiot. Just bash the crew chief and then walk into the building.

Starting point is 01:49:39 Was the tire guy still there? The tire guy was still there. What does he do with him? No, nobody swung at me. That's the good news. Well, I like this one idiot. I'm going to tell you something. Thorisport, an amazing.

Starting point is 01:49:51 operation. I don't know if you've been up there. I have. Holy cow. Those guys have tons of companies on the campus. I mean, it's like a miniature RCR version of a truck series team. No wonder those guys are successful. Obviously, they have good drivers, but I didn't realize how big their operation is. And to be only a truck series team and have been around since basically when the truck series started full time, it's impressive what they're doing. And they're good sports about stuff like that too, because I've had to take some shots too. And I see them the next week and they're like, yeah I'm like yeah we good yeah

Starting point is 01:50:24 oh I had done a sponsorship deal with it which is why I was up there but I literally had no it never registered until I opened the door and I was like you dumb ass you got anybody TJ? I mean I know if they're idiots but

Starting point is 01:50:41 just the danger that you're in some of these drivers when you're that far off the pace like it's scary somebody's an idiot in that situation for sure. I mean, I don't know, like, if you can't, if you weren't winning, if you weren't winning a bunch of races in something before you decide, hey, I'm going to go run the Ark of Bristol race, you need to be winning in stuff before you go and try to make that next step. Because if you don't, it can be, it can be bad, I think. I mean, a lot of these people just, they have money and they don't

Starting point is 01:51:14 want to run where they're at anymore and get the experience and get good where you're at before you decide to move up. All right. So another round of elimination coming up. Oh, you didn't do it yet. I thought you went first. My one idiot has to go to my friend Ryan Blaney. And I don't know if anybody saw this, but Ryan shoved Bob on pit road. What? Yeah. Bob was trying, was it Harvick? Yeah. Bob was kind of chasing Harvick on an interview to camera and I guess he nearly or did bump into Blaney. And obviously, I don't think Blaney knew it was Bob. But they both tweeted that they've talked about it you're all good. But reactionary, Blaney turns around and gets old Bob a shove. And I'm like, damn, you can't be shoving Bob. Damn. I mean, what the hell? Wow. I don't miss that. I just seen it

Starting point is 01:52:00 this morning for the first time. But yeah, so what the hell, Ryan? Knock it off. That's a big one. I just texted it to you, Brett. Moving on to DVC picks. Before we do that, though, Casey, because I'm going to need some help here. No, that's why I'm, why I'm talking about DVC picks first. Yeah, but if we get Matt Weaver to tell us which four drivers aren't going to make it to the next round first, then we may know who I need to stay away from. Well, my bracket's shot. Is it? My bracket is the absolute worst.

Starting point is 01:52:28 It's killed. Did you have us out in the first round, Matt? I did. You got me out. Did you have me out in the first round? I had the one out. I had the 23 out, the 34, and 47. 47.

Starting point is 01:52:44 All right. Casey doesn't want Intel, so we'll pick. DBC picks. T.J. What are we racing? Texas. Texas Talladega Roval? One of us has all single-digit finishes those last three races. I don't know which one. Everyone. Everyone finished within the top seven.

Starting point is 01:53:00 So the picks order is T.J. Freddie, Casey, Brett. Where are we going to Texas? Texas. You pick last, even though you finish seven. Have I picked Denny Hamlin yet? No. Fastest guy last three weeks, Danny Hamlin. Good pick. Weird. I will take Wait a minute, wow Okay, no, go ahead

Starting point is 01:53:23 No, Casey I said it wrong Yeah, you said right? Yeah, Casey, you're second, your pick second I will take Martin Truex Jr. That's a good pick.

Starting point is 01:53:35 Toyota Toyota. Mm-hmm. I will take Alex Bowman. Not a Toyota and not a playoff driver. Interesting. I think I'm going to go with

Starting point is 01:53:46 a man, don't want to use him yet. I'll go with Larson. So Matt, who would you pick to win Texas? Chase Elliott. Damn, I picked him a week too soon. Who do you pick to take the championship? I had the 11 at the start of the playoffs,

Starting point is 01:54:04 and I still feel pretty good about that. I would at this point. So which four aren't going to make it to the next round, Matt? Looking at this thing. Yeah, right here it is. So which four aren't going to make it? Obviously, the four they're out right now, Ross Chastain, Brad Keslowski, Ryan Blaney, Bobba Wallace.

Starting point is 01:54:20 Hit him if he picks both of us, T.J. Yeah, I'm trying to be consistent to what I had at the beginning of the year, so I know that I had the 11 winning the championship. It's okay. It changed. You can change. I have the six going into the final four two, so I'm not going to eliminate them. Wow.

Starting point is 01:54:34 I still think I have to say the 23. The eight has not been super consistent. I'm not seeing the eight. He's been consistent. He's been consistently bad. Right, right, right. Reck and practice. I had the one out in the last round, so I think to be consistent, I would have to say

Starting point is 01:54:51 that too so the one and I would say the 12 because team Penske just doesn't have what they need to have right now. Brad you know the only car that has single-did to finish is in the first free playoff races? You. Who do you think, Brett? Man, I don't know because Talladega is a complete wild card and the Roval now that we've got stage breaks coming back again and they've changed the restart zone. That's just that's it's almost too hard to guess but I mean when you when you look at it you certainly think those top four are going to the next round. William Byron, Martin Truex, Dennyham, and Kyle Larson, obviously fast. Are Larson maybe at the biggest deficit here, though? Plus 12 going in, that's not a lot of playoff points from a win and stage win perspective. If he has a problem at Talladega, he's going to

Starting point is 01:55:37 be staring down elimination when he gets to the road. And you guys know how easy it is to wreck there. I'm going to say falling out is bubblewax. I'm sorry. I don't want to. you to fall out. Ross Tustane, Christopher Bell, and I'll go with Matt on the Kyle Busch thing, man. He talked me into it right there. I agree with Matt that the eight has not been, you know, he's not, he's been making a lot of mistakes.

Starting point is 01:56:03 Like he's, you know, wrecking in practice. He blew a tire a couple weeks ago. But, you know, he's made mistakes in practice. You know, Blaney just has not had speed of late. We saw, you know, last night again. He kind of had decent in the beginning of the race and faded. The one has not been great, you know. But we see it all the time.

Starting point is 01:56:20 There's going to be a, somebody's going to wreck a Taldega. Like we talk about, you know, the first, we talk about the first round. We're like, oh, the top four guys are going to breeze through here. And Truex makes it by what, like six points. So, you know, you're going to have stuff happen. And it's going to shake things up, especially going to Taldaiga in the middle of this deal. If Joey makes it in, does Martin fall out or did Harvick fall out?

Starting point is 01:56:38 It was. But it had to be close. It was Martin, Us, Harvick. I think Harvick and Joey ended up tied. Yeah, they were. Gotcha. Yeah. So for you guys going to this next round is,

Starting point is 01:56:50 the strategy consistent with trying to get those stage points, at least for the first few. My question for Freddie is, you know, you have got to capitalize on these next two races because of your reputation at the role. What do you mean? It's not like Bubba. Yeah, for sure. He's not Juan Montoya. We could, we could, but, you know, you went like, all we have to do is we got to get above

Starting point is 01:57:11 the cut line, obviously, in the next two weeks. And then we just have to do what we did at Watkins Glen. Just go out and run well enough to, to maintain the gap that we have. You know, if we can find ourselves, you know, whatever, five above the cut line and then go. So you're in trouble with stages, though. Yeah. Well, that's the problem. Now with stages, you know, you don't know because at some point you're going to be in the suit.

Starting point is 01:57:31 Somebody's going to have to, you know, there's going to be guys that flip it. So it's almost easier at times to get stage points because you can't repeat. You can't repeat walking's going to be. Because if you're fast, you qualify good, you're going to be, you're good all day. Yeah. At the roval, at some point, you're getting flipped back there. And that's where it gets messy. The one thing that I don't know if we mentioned it on here last week, and maybe it came out after the show,

Starting point is 01:57:53 but how about the restart zone with the Roval? I know. What the hell? In the middle of that kink down the front straightaway. I didn't think turn one was that. I mean, turn one at Indy, we needed to do something because turn one in Indy was a disaster. I didn't think Turn 1 of the Roval was that big a deal. It's wide enough.

Starting point is 01:58:09 We were running through there four and five wide at times. It drives me nuts that these decisions are made two weeks out. It drives me nuts. We've known enough. Yeah, but they change it publicly, and then they change the stuff. Stage breaks and man. I don't, I got, like I said on here before, I think you could have done more. I think this was a just reactionary deal to the Lassie race.

Starting point is 01:58:26 I think you could have done more with the stage lengths to make it viable to where you would have different strategies versus just going straight back to stages. But, you know, again, I agree with, I think it was Dale said it. Like, you want the same format for all the playoff races. You know, if you throw caution in one race, you should probably throw in all of them for the stage breaks. I wish we could have left the chicane on the backstretch out when they, Because that's what the original plan was, wasn't it? They were going to leave it out for the roval.

Starting point is 01:58:53 Oh, really? So just run straight down the back shoulder? Oh, yeah. I think they actually tested it. They did. They tested it doing that, yeah. And it was, I heard, I guess AJ test was one of the ones. And he said it was sketchy, but that had been a lot of fun.

Starting point is 01:59:04 That had been flying. They had been hauling ass into that front show. It's so much fun. Yeah, it would have been. Leave both chicanes out. Just turn one. So, Matt, before we close up the show, I want to know you cover, obviously, every form of motorsports and you've seen have you been to milbridge uh he has i know for a fact you're

Starting point is 01:59:26 always welcome though um i've seen you interview guys like a larsen back when he was you know just getting started in dirt racing of all of the forms of motorsports which one do you feel takes the best route to get to that cup series it's changing by the day because when the next gen first came out i would have said put these kids in a transam car, TA2, and we're becoming way more road course-centric, and the car is more of a road-course car. I don't know that the dirt is a valuable model anymore just because, you know, if the Xfinity car was the car,

Starting point is 02:00:04 that's a dirt car, right? I think drivers have to just be malleable. I think that the more flexible a driver can be towards a constantly changing landscape, And listen, this next-gen car is going to keep evolving and changing too. So the more a driver is comfortable learning on the fly, I think that's for the best. So I would say if you have the means to try everything, you can't take one discipline to NASCAR anymore. Three superstars.

Starting point is 02:00:33 I can't talk. Three superstars that are coming up the ranks that are under 18 years old because you see them all. Yeah. So it's funny because I cover them so often that I don't even know. their ages. Jesse's over 18. He's in Arka now. Yeah, I can't tell you

Starting point is 02:00:53 under 18 because I can't think of their, I mean, Gavin Beauchel is pretty good. Jade, Jade's incredible. I cannot wait to see Jade Avedician once she starts to try other disciplines. I would have thought he's not 18 now, but I thought Buddy Kofoid was earmarked for NASCAR,

Starting point is 02:01:11 and that's not going to happen now. Cruz, Brent Cruise is really good, definitely under 18. Yeah. Yeah. And you mentioned mostly Toyota racing development drivers. Oh, they're the leaders in that phase, right? I mean, they are the ones developing drivers, and then Chevrolet and Ford gets to have their pick of the letter.

Starting point is 02:01:30 Interesting. Well, thank you so much for hopping on. Before we close out, I wanted to give a shout out to a huge listener of DBC and NASCAR fan, Wyatt Banks and his family, Abby, his mom. He's struggling in the hospital right now, and just want to say we're thinking about you. rooting for you. Biggest fighter there is. Absolutely.

Starting point is 02:01:53 I met him recently. Yes. Huge fan. But thank you guys all so much for listening. Catch us. Weaver. Who wins the 300 this week? Peyton Sellers.

Starting point is 02:02:02 Biggest late model race in the country. Virginia boy. He's a hell of a late model driver. That's why you picked him, huh? Appreciate you coming, brother. When you text me back, how excited you were? I was like, man, this was a good idea. So appreciate you.

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