Door Bumper Clear - 309. Texas: You Play To Win The Game

Episode Date: September 25, 2023

We are pleased to announce that our spotters DID NOT melt under the sweltering Texas sun over the weekend, and are back in the studio to break down all of the action from the weekend! Freddie Kraft, Brett Griffin, TJ Majors, and Casey Boat discuss the state of Texas Motor Speedway, both in the quality of racing and the condition of the facility.Should Texas stay in the Playoffs? The group shares their opinions. Plus, Freddie Kraft recaps the final restart that left himself and driver Bubba Wallace a few spots too short of advancing to the Round of 8.In Spot On/Spot Off, the group talks about Kyle Busch's lack of belief in himself, Brennan Poole's scary pit road crash, Bubba Wallace's title as 'the restart king', and more.The group also shares what rumors they have heard in regards to the 2024 schedule, the Playoff cutline heading into Talladega, and why Freddie and Brett won't be of any help preparing Andrew for his upcoming triathlon.Come see us in Las Vegas! 🎟️ BUY TICKETS: https://bit.ly/3OZRNM3 DraftKings State-Specific Problem Gambling Information: In Massachusetts, call [phone] or visit gamblinghelplinema.org, In New York, call 877-8-HOPENY or text HOPENY (467369). In Tennessee and Kansas, Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER. On behalf of Boot Hill Casino & Resort (KS). In West Virginia, Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit www.1800gambler.net. All games regulated by the West Virginia Lottery. Please play responsibly. In partnership with Hollywood Casino at Charles Town Races. In Connecticut, Help is available for problem gambling call 888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org. Licensee partner Golden Nugget Lake Charles (LA). 21+, age varies by jurisdiction. Void in Ontario. See DKNG.co/autoracing for eligibility, terms and responsible gaming resources. Bonus bets expire seven days after issuance. Eligibility and deposit restrictions apply. Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

The following is a production of Dirty Mode Media. North. Bumper. Clear. Clear by two. Please really shallow entry. Bumper, clear. Hey, everybody.

I'm T.J. Majors. Spotter of the 8xvinity car, the six cup car this weekend. Hot. Hot. Light load for you. Only two races? There's not a light load this weekend. You should feel great today.

No. It was only 125 degrees out there. Saturday was a marathon day in the heat. Yeah. Saturday was a long day. Brett Griffin, Spotter, I think this weekend for Chandler Smith in the Cup Series. I think we're running a cart Talladega. I don't have a travel itinerary yet.

So I'm banking on the fact that I'll be down there with you guys. Hopefully with a cool front blowing through before then. If it's 89, it'll be a cool front for us. It's up, Freddie Craftspotter, Bubba Wallace, Chandler Smith this weekend. And I will back up, T.J. statement that that was a miserable hot weekend. What's up, Casey? Casey was there. Casey was there.

the pits. It was almost, I felt like it was even hotter down there, it seemed like at times. It was probably the most emptiest pit road I have ever experienced during the race. It was brutal. And I have a whole new appreciation for the studio. Well, yeah. You have appreciation for what? The studio, because Texas is way hotter than the studio. So don't ever complain about the studio ever again. That's probably. I heard you guys had fans on the roof this weekend. Why? Somebody thinks we have fans up there, but I don't know. I've never seen any.

I mean, there was a couple of fans up there. I've seen them walking around. Oh, yeah. They were like shaking hands with people. They might have been friends with other people. The fans would actually blow cool air. Yeah, no, I've never, I've heard a rumor that there's people that think there's fans up there, but I've never seen one in my life.

I mean, TJ, maybe you could bet. I've never seen a fan up there in my life. Credit to them, they brought us water. Thank God. I did see a fan on the roof this weekend. Was it some, uh, true herring blowing on his iPad? It was actually, no, it was Kevin Hamlin brought one from his garage at his house that run off one of them of them, DeWalt batteries or something, one of them little portable ones.

Did he really? Yeah. Damn it. He's only like three or four people to my right. I wish I went down there. Yeah. Wow. I could, you can, like, literally, I know we beat this to death on here, but like

Tab Boyd had an umbrella that obviously you can't spot with an umbrella, right? You can't like the race is going on. You're not with pinoccos or everything. You can't spot with an umbrella. But the first stage break, he took his umbrella out and just put it over the like top of him and I was next to him. Like it's a world of difference. It's amazing what shade does.

A world of difference. Oh, it's 10 degrees cooler under that thing. Yeah, I literally was in a shower this morning thinking about you guys. Oh, right. All right. All right. Next time. Anyways,

this is a great. No, this is serious. I was in the shower thinking about you guys. Yeah, it was your favorite time. You know, it was so hot there yesterday. There has to be, we have to be the only people in professional sports that compete that aren't in a position to go cool off, go get in the shade, go get in the shade. Like, man, we have to be on the whole time. And all you would ask for up there literally is shade.

So, like, even you look at UFC fighters. They get a break between rounds. You guys are just. It's us. and whoever is playing Alabama, because I remember we sat on the Alibati, the visitor's side of the Alabama field that day. Yeah, but they actually do have fans.

They have those Air Miss fans that's not. I did see the Dolphins game. I watched the bit of the Dolphins and Broncos before they scored a hundred. That was a nail bit of, yeah, it was. And they even had like little portable shade things because the dolphins try to roast their opponents,

like on the sidelines. That's their goal in the summer. And listen, I was, when I was walking up, me and Nick Payne were walking to the roof from the garage. And like, I mean, it was credit to all the fans that came out to yesterday because the crowd was pretty good. It was way better than what I was expecting for it to be a hundred and seven degree. But like walking across the racetrack before the race starts, the stands are empty because you're not going to sit up there until the race starts, obviously. That's the thing too, though.

At any point they can get up and walk up and not to mention it was fairly windy. So you know in them walkways they have at the top of the stairs, it's probably like a hurricane right there. So you can go stand right there. But yeah, it was pretty hot, man. It's, you know, this race is more than likely moving to the spring next year, I think. It's going to come out of the playoffs. Yeah, we're probably going to get frostbite next year. That's fine.

I tell everybody all the time, I will take 10 degrees over 100 every day of the week. No, every day. You're crazy. I might be crazy, but you're not fat. That's probably good. I was going to say, that's because your body type. I think the coldest it's ever been. T.J. and I were at Bristol, and we literally had sleet hitting us in the face.

Yeah, it was, you would hear it. It was sleeting in our face, and I had to put sunglasses on. I remember that. To keep from getting nailed in the eyeballs with sleep. Yeah, that was, I think the coldest that I've been in my entire life was at Texas, and it was during a truck, maybe a Friday night. That's your fault. I mean, Freddie was probably there.

That's his fault, too. It was Texas a handful years ago. It was bad. I'm sure. It was freezing. Martinsville is one of the ones I remember that being the coldest on the roof. You start to race, you're like, oh, it's okay. You get to, like, that's like, my toes.

Well, the worst thing about spotting in the cold is your feet free. Your fingers in your hand, your toes. But you're moving your hands. You're not moving your feet. So at the end of the night, it's like frozen cement blocks, which I would have gladly traded in for yesterday rather than be 115 degrees. Well, you'll probably get that chance later this year. I know.

When I'm freezing, I'll say I'll trade it for heat. When I'm hot, I say I trade it for cold. One thing I'll talk about before we dive into all this other stuff that Casey's got to go through. Go ahead, Casey. Brett, it's your show. We can't forget about our forensic. I know. Guys, this episode, you can't.

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That's probably my approach now. Vans like, you get a van. Down by the river. Anyways, Brett, I know you have tons to say. No, I just wanted to talk about a little bit real quick before we dive into our show. Jordan Bianchi, Jeff Gluck this morning. We're talking about the tear down

about how Texas Motor Speedway needs a legit facelift. And I was curious what you guys, saw this weekend because obviously I've been going there a long time and you guys were too young for this but when they originally opened Texas Motor Speedway, Bruton Smith loaded up a big jet and he flew all of the NASCAR media members down there at the Cetus facility. That's how proud he was of it. Obviously they've built condos. They got a Speedway club. The area where it's located is now legit amazing. Tons of cool retail around it. Freddie and I spent a full week down there a couple years ago. They've got like a top golf place across the road, amazing golf course, a nice

marriott, obviously the in and out, the Buckees and all that. But I was curious what you guys thought of the facility this weekend, because I've noticed walking around there that it does need an overhaul, especially if it's a playoff track. Yeah. And there's two different sides of this. Obviously, you have the facility side of it, which the fans enjoy, and then there's the racetrack side of it. And I think they both need some changes. You know, like yesterday, it's so hard. And I'm fine. Three and four is okay for me, you know, because I think eventually that corner might widen out. One and two, I think, is maybe one of the worst corners we have because it's just, you know, they sprayed the resin up there and, you know, it's going to, it brings in a second lane, but the

second you get, we almost wrecked just trying to avoid Larson yesterday when Larson spun out. Like we got just a little bit high kind of like giving him room to wreck. And like once you get past that point it's like falling off a cliff like you're just gonna there's no grip whatsoever above that PJ1 or resin whatever it is um so I'd like to see them do something even if it's just make one and two the same as three and four um but it's still super hard to pass like I noticed yesterday TJ I'm sure I mean TJ's doing his job we were we were catching the six and we moved up a lane and he he moved up a lane and then we moved out you know and then once you once he takes your lane away that's it like you there's you can't pass and we we broke even like we would stay

three back of him and the 24 was catching us. He would stay three back of us. And then that's just how you run until somebody makes a mistake. So there's got to be some kind of adjustment. Like we've seen the mile and a half to be so good for this car and this one just still falls flat. You're in a corner longer at Texas, but I'm speaking more of the facility side. Like you used to drive through this tunnel and you knew you were somewhere special. Like the sweets are outdated. Like they've got to spend some money to make this place. I was in the sweet. I will say the track and SMI did a great job of providing like events and things to do for fans around it. I know I was at the dirt track Friday and Saturday night where they had, you know,

future NASCAR racers and kids and even adults. Kyle Busch was out there running. They were out there right after the Xfinity race. So I think they do a good job on the event side. Definitely different than what it used to be. I think there used to be more of like a carnival vibe. It was a little different there. And I do agree on the venue standpoint,

but I think for how big that track is and how different that track is compared to so many others, they do a good job providing that experience. It's just the little thing. It's just outdated. It's getting to, I mean, I don't know. What year was it built?

Like the mid-90s? I'd say 97. So, you know, and I don't think it's gone through much of a facelift. And to Jeff's, like, I was listening to the same thing, Jeff and Jordan. Like, you see the improvements they've made to Daytona. some of the ISE tracks, Phoenix.

You know, you can see where they're reinvesting the money or investing more money into these facilities to bring them more up to date. And you could see what's going on there. This one here, the parking lot is kind of a mess. You know, it's just, and it just takes some money and some care. A lot of money. Because look at Phoenix. Phoenix was a $100 million remodel.

Daytona was a $400 million remodel. They just gave Charlotte Motor Speedway $20 million. That's not enough money. These companies that on these tracks are going to have to subsidize it too. So I just want to point that out because our fans, this is what it's about, the fans deserve an awesome experience. And you and I should not be able to go to a minor league baseball park. And it'd be better than where we go for a NASCAR cup race. Oh, I went on Friday night to the new Texas Rangers Park.

And I mean, oh my God, unbelievable. Like, I don't even know. It's probably a couple years old now. How much were tickets? I mean, to get in the, I bought obviously a little bit better tickets, but they were 60 bucks. It was $4 to get in the door, I think, if you wanted to sit up in the top. And by the way, if you want, there's, you know, you can buy four or $5 tickets, whatever it was to sit in those bleeds, but there's also a railing with a bar top along the whole outfield that you

could just stand there like a standing room only essentially and watch the game. I don't think anybody's going to chase you off. So yeah, I mean, phenomenal facility. Sorry, marvelous facility. And, and yeah, but we just, I mean, and it's, it's not like it's dilapidated falling apart, but you could just tell it's getting older. Yeah, I walked. I think they did some, I thought they did some things to the track, because I went downstairs at the bottom of the elevator. First thing I noticed is this huge bar. Did you see that? They did. Yeah, that bar is there. It was there, but I mean. But I noticed this huge bar there, which was kind of cool where you could come right back from the stands, go right to the bar, get yourself a drink. And I also went to look for

something to eat one time and I went one, I got out of the shaft turn left and it was like a whole convenience store right there. Did you see that? Yeah. Dude, it was like walking into a 7-Eleven. Like the whole back wall was all freezer stuff, every type of beer. They have a 7-Eleven too. They do, yeah. Maybe. Well, I mean, it was right next to the elevator. When Bruton built, when he bought Bristol Motor Speedway, look at what he transformed it into. When he brought Sonoma, you guys, I don't know if y'all were going out there yet. When he bought Sonoma, you could stand on the hill where we spot from and see the entire track. Well, he went in and spent a ton of money.

We didn't even have garages in Sonoma. He built garages, built that front stretch grandstand. When you look at what he's done to Atlanta over the years with the condos, Charlotte Motor Speedway, what he built it into. It's like SMI, and I'm not, listen, SMI has some of the greatest properties we go to. They just need to come back in and spend some money to make them more current because they're out of date. And it's not one of them. It's most of them.

And they're all in phenomenal NASCAR loved markets. I don't think, like, from the bathrooms that we go to and stuff, they're pretty up to date still. but I'm sure the suites can probably use some updating and stuff. But to me, the biggest thing that we could do there is probably work on the racetrack to me. I don't know. It ain't going to matter if the fan experience is not good. You want to go to where Freddie just went to watch Texas Rangers. If you're going to pay two.

What does it cost you for a weekend to go to Texas Motor Speedway, family of four? Coming from 200 miles away. Two grand? I don't know. I don't know. Probably more than that. I mean, if you're factoring in hotels and stuff, I mean. Yeah, I don't know.

I'm just saying I don't think Goodyear can fix the racing I was like well I don't care whatever Goodyear does they're not going to make anyone run the wall at Texas and 1 or 2 like we used to that race track you got 8 lanes of unused racetrack there for no reason Especially not when you're spraying grip on the bottom of it

Well I'm just saying like middle of it We've talked about it before the first Lapse into turn 1 there when they redid this Everyone was like whoa whoa everyone was missing the corner And we need to just chop the, you know, half the racetrack off up there. Where do you think Texas is out on the schedule next year? Still one race?

One race, I would say sometime in April. March? Maybe March. I looked up the average weather for the end of March, and it's average high, the highest 70. I love being in Texas during the playoffs. I think it's a great market. It is a cool area. I mean, everything you do in Texas, their fans are awesome, the people are awesome.

You're right. It is March. My numbers are off. I have three. I would hate to see it leave a playoff, but I get it. I get it why it has to. Here's the weird thing about our playoffs, though. Like, our ratings are the highest they'll ever be all season for the first race.

And then they slowly decline. And then last week I saw we were down a couple hundred thousand. I heard Jordan Bianchi say on the podcast this morning, you got to have your 10 best tracks in the playoffs. No, you don't. Your ratings are the lowest. They've been all year. I mean, our championship race doesn't go crazy out in Phoenix or Homestead or wherever you have it.

So put your 10 best races for your fans. Do you think that's because that's when NFL starts? Yeah, I think that happens. Oh, big time. think too i mean freddie and i were talking about it a week ago um i think we're on a boat like it's a chase elliott effect he's not in the playoffs also i mean it hurts that area as well i know it's not just that area but i mean what are all the people in that area watching during our race you think the cowboys get blown out by the cardinals 100% you know and bringing up the playoffs

like we've heard some some rumors of and here's i want to ask you guys this you know what should the I know we need to challenge drivers in the playoffs. You know, you can't just have five intermediate holes and five short tracks and let them go rip. We have right now we have one plate track. We have one or drafting track, whatever you want to call it, and one road course. Would you be okay with a second drafting track and a second road course in the playoffs? What's the drafting track? Atlanta.

Atlanta? Yeah. You know, you're looking at Atlanta possible. Is that what you're hearing? Man, I don't know. I'm not a fan of two road courses in our playoffs. And I know that. I don't want two road courses, I can tell you that.

One, we've over, we've oversaturated. It's our worst racing. It's the, it's over, we've over saturated the road, you know, the road course out of I think now. But a lot of that's getting fixed. Yeah. So. Is that what you're hearing on the schedule for next year? I know there's rumors.

Listen, literally I heard rumors for two months. And then I heard that every rumor I heard was pretty much. I take back everything I said about a double header. I will tell you that part. You know, it's just, it's just ever-changing. You know, it seems like there's one date, I think, it's, I mean, we could say it's the Montreal date that they don't know it's not locked down yet. And if that doesn't get done, it kind of, it's probably going to send this thing back

into another tailspin. This is going to be a smart-ass question. How long ago was it when we realized the Olympics were going to be in 2024? I don't know. I don't think the Olympics. Probably in 2020. Yeah. I don't think the Olympics are the problem.

What's the problem? I think they've got that figured out. I think that, like Freddie said, I think we got a track that. can't get locked down. How do you not have that figured out if you knew? It's a domino effect from that. You're working with a city to, or you're working with essentially. Yeah, I'm not.

I don't know the ins and outs of that. But if, listen, if this. If that doesn't happen, it's a domino effect, what track can you, then you got to move other things around? Yeah, like there you might see Xfinity make a return to Iowa next year. And listen, if that with that, if that Montreal all date doesn't work out, there may be a very slim chance, but there's a chance that we may end up with a cup race in Iowa next year. Can we request that? Can we request that?

I don't know how good that's going to be. We're already arrowtight at Martinsville. Milwaukee is going to be. But I do like. Not Milwaukee, Iowa. Oh, that would be fun. But it's, listen, it's like, it's, let's do it. It's just one of them, like, you hear this name, you know, on the list of places that could replace Montreal if Montreal doesn't happen.

Can we have it? Can we have it the same weekend as the Knoxville Nationals? Casey. Casey. Calm down. That would be cool, though, because I would like to see the next to ask. Like, listen, like to your point, Casey, like literally every rumor that we were hearing for a while, like Brett talked about the doubleheaders not happening.

So the doubleheader in Richmond is not happening now? I heard it wasn't. It doesn't sound like it. I heard like a midweek and then Saturday night, all four in a row, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday. Listen, like I said, I heard rumors last week and this week they could be completely different. You know what I mean? Like, it's changing by the week, it seems like, or by the day. And we've seen Bob tweet it like I was expecting an announcement schedule announcement today,

but it's been pushed two weeks. And if they tell me in two weeks it's pushed another two weeks, it wouldn't surprise me. So it's just there seems like there's one date holding things up. And then listen, if you look and we're not having a double header and we know we have to have two off weekends, one is like the end of July, one's probably the first week of August, then the schedule is going to have to change because we're going to have to run a week later. And if you look at the way the schedule looks out and you back up 10 weeks from that point, where does that leave your cutoff races? Where does that leave your...

Here's where the fan can win. Look at when Labor Day weekend is. Know that Darlington is going to be there. And then that tells you how the schedule pivots. Yeah, exactly. I mean, I think either way, if Montreal gets the date, I think there's going to be a really good crowd there. I think Montreal have a really big group.

Quarter million people. Easily. I think, yeah, there'll be a lot of people there. It's a great area as well. But how long are you going to wait on Canada? Whole Canada. How long are you going to wait on that? I don't know the answer to that.

But I also think, how long what? How long are you going to wait on Canada to let you know? Oh, yeah. We stand down in guard for thee. All right, well, back to the on track portion of the race this past weekend. I know Freddie, shout out you guys had a solid day yesterday. And congrats to Hendrick on Cup win number 300 with Byron's win. She just slapped you in solid day.

Congratulations to Hendrick. But back to you, I know that last restart really changed the game for you. You know, looking... You think? Looking as you were spotting from the lead, what would you possibly have done differently? What could have changed? We needed to execute better. We did two or three restarts and we got away.

Well, the one with Larson, I don't know. We had an aggressive restart. Everybody's been an aggressive, aggressive racing for the lead, and Kyle spun out. then we had a good restart got out front and a big wreck happened. We had another do another restart and didn't get a great push from behind for whatever reason. Just kind of got away from the nine. Didn't get a good shove. They got hooked up on the bottom before us.

Briscoe was pretty tight. Then he had damage on his nose, I think, from kind of running the back of us on a restart before. So he got tight, kind of chased us up the hill. Nothing he did wrong. He's trying to go for the wind just like everybody else was. And then I think the only mistake we made, was trying to cover the bottom of three on entry versus just taking our normal line in there. I heard Boba talk about it in his post-race interview.

I don't think the 24 was in there far enough to really launch into three and get position on us. I think we could have entered a little bit better and got a better runoff before and probably cleared him. But hindsight's 2020 and there's no telling what would have happened. He might have still got us if we got out front of him and he was second. So it's a good day. We led the most laps we've ever led in the race.

111, I think it was. pole for the weekend. Close. Would I like to have locked in, obviously, which you got some wild cards coming up here with Tal Dagan, the Roval. But not in the cards that day, so all you can do is learn from it, move on. All the way around,

best weekend Bob Wallace has ever had in a cup car. Easily. Led the most laps he's ever led. I don't know. That Kansas weekend was pretty good. No, I mean, he won the race, but you started from the pole. Yeah.

Led the most laps you've ever led. 111 laps, right? I think the next most laps is like 80 at another track, like Richmond or somewhere. I mean, you had two good stages. You didn't end up getting a lot of points out of them. You're there to win the race at the end of the race, and you didn't. Yeah.

And, you know, I've seen a lot of people questioning our decision-making in the first stage of whether or not we should have stayed out to chase 10 points versus we were, first of all, we were playing to win the game. You know, you hear that, you know, Hur and Medweds played to win the game. And we thought we had a car capable of winning. We did. And to the point of, you know, we should have just took the 10 stage points. Well, look at the guy that took the-

I would have easily taken the 10 stage points at that point. That's guaranteed 10 points. From there on out, you're not guaranteed a thing. Look at the guy that won the 10 stage points. Did you ever see him again? Who was him? I don't know who was it. Tyler Redick.

Did you ever see him again? Well, he also drove into the fans. Not, not, yeah, because he was back there in 20th trying to, because he was buried in traffic. To me, you had a better car than him as well. Well, I mean, they should be the same. I mean, they're set up, you know, they're out of the same stable. Are you saying, are you saying Bobba Wallace is better than Tyler Redd? But I'm just saying, like, it's easy to see.

You can't, I don't think you can throw away your entire race to chase stage points because we've done that this year. We did it at Bristol and it was the reason we transferred, but because we got them 10 states or eight stage points, whatever it was, we were never in contention for the race again. We did it at Michigan earlier this year. We chased stage points. We got good stage points, but then we finished mid-packed because we could never get our track position. So now you didn't get the stage points and you still finished. And we got the sixth, and we got the sixth highest points in the race. And the guy that got the 10 stage points finished 40th. Yeah, but I don't know if you can compare that guy because it could have been anybody that stayed out. There was only four or five guys that got points in both stages. You're obviously stronger than that car, so I think, I think Bubba, who knows how it worked out?

Nobody really knows. We were. I just don't know how you pass up 10 guaranteed points right there. Just because we knew that we were going to end up what the 45 ended up with. Eventually, you're going to chase them stage points, but eventually you're going to have to restart in the 20s. And if you restart in the 20s there, you're not getting back to the front. No.

So we took the chance of we're going to go to try to win the race. And we got the fifth highest points on the day. We were in contention. Probably should have won the race. I don't know how you can question that. I get it. Obviously, would we have liked to have gotten everything perfect world get that 10 stage points? I can tell you how you can question it.

You can question it because there's more points on the table. That's how you question it. But I'm just saying, like the guy that got the 10 days points, TJ, got 22 points on the day. He got 10 points in that stage. You got 22 on the day. We got 37 points. But he was never in contention all day. He led the fucking race for a half.

He was in the top five, stayed out. He was in the top five. stayed out. He wasn't, to me, Reddick, did you ever see Reddick all day and be like, oh man, that guy's going to win? He was running in the top five before that. I never looked at him and thought he was going to win. I looked at your car and thought, okay, that guy's got a shot to win. You never looked at him because he was going to, I thought he was going to win traffic the rest of the day. I just saying, it's hard to pass up points, man. You're right. But at this situation, was it the right call or wrong call? Because look at the guy that won the 10 points and look at us. I don't know. I mean, Larsen. We got 15 points. One caution swayed the whole thing. I mean, look at when JJ wrecked, that changed the entire race. Okay. At the same point. We were going to run fifth then, and Redick was still buried in the, about 18th. Just saying. I know what you're just saying. You're wrong. That's all there is to it. So you can, you can tell me when every caution is going to be the rest of the race? It doesn't matter. What I'm telling you is, if you try to get stage points there, you're setting

yourself up to be buried the whole second half of the race. That's all there is to it. I mean, I just think there's a lot of opportunity because there was a lot of different strategies. We were buried with 10 to go in the race. We were 17th. We finished 7th. Okay. But I'm just saying, we've done this before. and we did it two last week at Bristol. We did it a couple weeks or a month ago. Well, that's just tells you. We come off pit road with the next to last caution.

We're 17th. We're buried. Yeah, and you've got how many wrecks in front of you to get positions? What's the matter? How's, you know, your wrecks can't happen with the other time either with other. So I'm going to take 10 stage points, restart 20 is just hoping half the field wrecks? That's a good strategy. I'm just saying there's opportunity, things happen and you can get stuff back.

Like I said, we were playing to win the race. And we were in position to win the race. That's all we did. and it benefited us. We finished top five. We were third, whatever it was. We got 37 stage points, fifth most on the day. It is what it is.

Santa Claus doesn't put cup wins under Christmas trees. And you guys were in a position to do it. He didn't pull it off. I don't know. I've seen some wins that were put under Christmas trees. Oh, what about, what were your thoughts on the pit road contact between Ty Gibbs and Hamlin? That was weird.

Oh, Josh yelling at Hirsch was kind of funny. I was thought Josh was so. excited to yell her. I ain't seen Josh move that fast in a while. I don't even know what he was yelling at Arshaven, but I think everybody, Hirschman likes to tell us all how to do our jobs at times, and I think that Josh just took the opportunity to go down there and yell at him. As soon as they hit, it wasn't like five seconds after they had contact. I heard Josh yell, Hirsch, and he was like, right. I'm like, with the 12 in that? I don't know. It wasn't even seen weird, but then he was. We talked about this with the deal with Elliot and Larson a couple weeks

go, like the, for some reason, the 54 was shaded way to the left. Like, it looked like there was a whole car. There was. Of room to the outside of him. And, and then I don't know what the communication was on the 11 pit. Like, he, I mean, he drove straight out into traffic. I mean, he got hit teaboned in the door, essentially. I don't think you could, I can't, if they hit two feet further back on the 11, it might break. Probably knocks the rear end. Yeah, the rear toe link or something, man. Like, holy cow. They hit hard. The 11 shot out there like he was trying to hit him. Not that he, I don't think he was, but I do think the 11 was surprised at 54 was that low. Because if you look at the replay again, there's a huge gap. Just like, like you said, the nine had a big gap on the outside of him.

I don't know why these guys are crowding the inside lane. You know, these guys got to go around cars to get out. And if you have room over there, you got to use it. You're just putting yourself in in harm's way. And luckily, Denny didn't get damaged that ended his race because it ended a 54's race. Right? That took him out of the race. He did. Yes.

So it could have very easily been Denny. And if, you know, I don't know, where's Danny at in the points? He's good. Way good. Yeah. Second, I think. Okay. But if he wrecks right there, that's probably what, 20 points?

Oh, at least. So he goes from there to. He would be where Kyle. I mean, he's probably wearing in front of Ross. He'd be right in front of like Kyle. Because Kyle, I don't know how many more, Kyle wrecked around then. and then he he's got more stage point

I mean playoff points and Kyle so he'd be in that area but like around 8th, 9th probably I think that's season changing right there yeah it was interesting

well let us not forget to call out the fact that we are doing a live show Charlotte Race Weekend right after the Xfinity Series race I mean I don't know about you guys but if you're in town for Charlotte race you have to show up for this

I'm staying in town to do this, so y'all better show up. I hope your fan shows back up, but he's not going to be mad this year. Maybe Freddie will get me a spot and gig. I'm sure you want to be a second spotter this week? Yeah, because I can probably drink beer. You probably can. Yeah, this week is the most useless second spotter in the history of second spotters if you choose to incorporate. Yeah, you'll just watch.

You'll just watch. Bring you a lawn chair, flip-flops, some board shorts. You can have Bodie spot for you and probably do well. I've done the backers at Talladega before. Have you? I have. You can actually really help them getting out of four and getting in the one, but you don't have much of a window to be.

Like you got to really have your hand off and pickups right. Hermie Sadler and I did a good job with it back in the day. I first did it with Chuck Joyce back in the 90s. But, yeah, you've got to have a really experienced guy. And that binoculars gotten better. Their reviews, I didn't even spot with binoculars, believe it or not, when we first got here until those wide zooms came out. So a lot of things are better.

A lot of back then, though, there was, there was the, I don't know, I want to say, the runs were big, but they were lazier. Yeah. You know what I mean? But like, remember when they, NASCAR would send out a schedule saying, all right, there'll be a flatbed to pick you up on the pit road. You get on this flat bed that take this tractor would pick you up. That was actually pretty cool to wrap back there.

It was, yeah. That just tractor would take you to the backstretched grandstands and pick you up after the race. Yeah. I remember, I was not back on the backstretch, but I remember one year they all threw their seat cushions over the fence because Dale Jr. didn't win. They were pissed off. I can't remember who did win, but Dale Jr. did not win. I might have Jeff Gordon or somebody.

I was saying, the biggest race I can remember Dale Jr. not winning there is when Brian Vickers turned. Oh, yeah, and he wrecked Jimmy Johnson. Yeah, him and. What a methodical crash by Vickers. Do you think he knew that was going to happen? If I wrecked third place, if I wrecked second place, he's going to wreck first place, and then I'm going to win. I figure that. Tom McDowell won the 500. He saw that. He's Vickers.

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I don't know how much you've seen Dirty Modo, but I don't know of anywhere else in the sport that you can get the kind of intel from racing professionals, we'll use that term loosely, about stats, drivers. I think Latar's got his thumb on things. Yeah, well, listen, let's be honest here. It's really the professor that's the brains of that operation over there. But Stevie does have a good, obviously, wealth of knowledge, many years in the sport.

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First topic. Brennan Pool spins into the inside pit wall in the Xfinity race. Should there be a barrier wall to prevent future accidents bleeding into pit road? T.J. spot on, spot off. I am not spot on for the wreck. I don't know how you can be spot on for a wreck, but I don't think you can put a wall there

because if you put a wall there, somewhere there has to be the end of the wall. And I don't know if Texas is a place where you want to even chance hitting the end of a wall coming off a four or down the front. What about Michigan? Do you want a chance of there? There's a wall there.

No, I don't want a chance it there either. I don't want to hit any wall head on. There's a wall at Michigan. That's fine. I don't want to add another one. But so seeing this wreck happen, this wreck was totally preventable, mostly by him, because to me, there was a car inside of him and he just came down across the guy from what I saw. I don't think the guy came up and clipped him or anything. But his interview said he just got run into, but I don't, I think he was trying to stop the guy's run and the guy was just there.

I don't think he spun in the pit wall. I think he drove head on into it what looked like wide open. This is extremely dangerous for a lot of people. thankfully no green flag stops were happening at the time because there wouldn't have been injuries there would have been deaths i mean you can't have a 3,000 pound car coming at you to 100 plus miles an hour i am all for figuring out a way to put out a wall if we can do it at dover if we can do it at michigan where corner speeds are extremely high coming to pit road uh you can do it anywhere yeah i think uh the buddy of mine's that case works on that car but i know he works for that team at times and uh he said that the guys were just out there retaping their marks on pit road like the team for that i think it was the 44 team might have been a 45, I don't know. But he said that pit crew was just out there because these guys, if you see it, if you watch a race, you see these orange tape marks where that's kind of where they want the driver to put that left front tire or whatnot. He said, you know, throughout the race, they kind of get tore up. So they were just out there retaping that and just got back over the wall before this happened.

And to your point, yeah, I think, I mean, you think about, I know it's low probability, but I mean, not only that hitting somebody, But I mean, what if this happens? We've seen it, you know, guys in truck practice or truck qualifying spin out, hit the end of that wall, you know, hit the inside of that wall. You know, like, what happens if this happens during qualifying? Everybody's lined up out there. You know, cars lined up. You get destroyed, you know, cars just get destroyed sitting there. People are standing around during qualifying.

Now you got people, you know, pit stops. If that, thank God, like you, to your point, there wasn't a pit stop going on. I think there has to be some kind of barrier between the racetrack and that pit road. TJ, if you're against putting a wall there, then what would you suggest? I don't know. I mean, I guess if you're, I just know that if there's a lot of wrecks in turn four at Texas, I mean, there's probably, I would hate to have a wreck just pass a center of three and four. Somebody, you know, carrying a lot of speed, get up and there and slide down out the bottom.

And I just don't. I don't think you have to have it. You know, you look at a place like Charlotte. You don't have to have it out there at the exit of four. The one of Charlotte, I feel like, starts, you know, four or five pit stalls in. So it's like it doesn't carry as far. Yeah. I guess there's probably a strategic place that's not the very end of it.

But like Charlotte does it does do a good job of getting it kind of out of the way there. Like it's not, it's at a hard spot to actually get to with a lot of speed. Because if you reckon that part of the track, you're most time you're going up the racetrack still. And yeah, I don't know if there's, I'm not totally against putting a wall there. but, you know, I definitely, it's been a long time I've seen a car almost gain speed across grass and hit on. I was worried about the car. I mean, if something breaks on that car just right or something and a tire folds under it or something and that thing launches right there. Did you guys know that Andrew went to an Eric church concert this weekend?

No. Hold on. I was going to bring something up. He's got his chief shirt all over here. You serious? Look at this. Look at this man crush Monday moment where he is now tweeted that Eric Church handed him a guitar pick. Really? Hey, thumbs up to Eric.

I do have a one idiot from that concert. Is it you? It's not me. That's supposed to my question. It's not me. But based on what y'all were just talking about, Blake brought up a great point that last year, Cody Ware also hit the inside wall. He smoked the outside wall and then the opening, didn't it? Yeah.

I thought he was hurt. Or he just barely hit the opening. Yeah. He was, that was a big wreck. I just retweeted your tweet, Andrew. Thanks, Brent. Man Crush Monday. I've never seen a kid so happy over a guitar pick.

What are you going to do with that pick? You're going to sleep with it or what happens now? I'm probably going to play it. I'll bet it's in his wallet right now. It's not. Are you going to put it in your socks for what you do this Iron Man thing? Yeah. Yeah, I will.

A little extra boost. Between the socks and the erectile dysfunction medicine. It should be a hell of a race for you. He's going to get a tattoo of it. They're going to trace it. Oh, well, now that we got way off topic there, following Kyle's wreck during the race at Texas, he says, I feel like I'm letting my team down.

Every time I try, I crash. It's like the less I try, and the more we just ride around, the better day we have. What a concept. Yeah, I spot on, spot on. spot off, Freddy. I mean, spot on for the end of his comment there.

And I, you know, here's who I noticed this about, too. And this is, we've talked about this. I think I talked about on here last week. Kyle's been struggling. And when I say struggling, like, they've just, they've been crashing in practice. They've been cutting tires and crashing. I don't know what happened yesterday. He just looked like he went into one.

And I was listening to the Gluck's in front of us. And he said something about they thought they were having trouble. And then the next restart, he goes in Rex. So I don't know what happened there. But this just seems like, I don't know if it's Kyle, the car. something breaking. What's going on there? But, you know, to his point in that second half of that, you look at a guy, the perfect example of that is Sheldon Creed. And you look at that Xfinity race here today, which I don't think we're talking about it. But we go out lap one and two

playoff guys just drive straight in the fence. Riley Herbs and Sam Mayer, the Riley's talking about his tire with no one, one tires, but you got out of the groove and drove in the fence. Same thing, Sam did the same thing off of two. Sheldon Creed's car is awful. It's been awful for the last month, it seems like. And he just rode around all day, put two tires out at the end, got a decent finish. And here he is. Now, he's a couple points to the good. That might be the best race I've seen shallow and run. Like, he's a couple, he's a couple points to the good now versus all these guys that are wrecked and way out and must wins in the Xfinity series. Now here you find Kyle, who was in pretty good position to start this round, but now here he is 17 points out because

they go out and wreck. You just, like, to his point, yeah, maybe you need to just ride around and take what it gives you instead of trying to push a little bit too hard. I'm spot on for him admitting it. I mean, you look back at his races. Race 20, Loud New Hampshire is when the wheels fell off of this thing. He's had one top five since then before that. Obviously, three wins and a really good season going. And he has, I mean, he's not wrong. And he's a guy, I mean, we all, listen, he's one of the best ever driver race car, right? You agree with that, T.J? He's really good. I mean, he's one of the best ever do it. So stop trying so fucking hard. Stop putting your team in a hole. If you're going to be as good as we say you are,

you got to be that good all weekend. You can't just show up. up halfway through the race and do it. But you go back and look at his stats, fans, racing reference.com at Loudoun New Hampshire, the wheels fell off. Yeah, I kind of agree with what he said for sure because we were loose. We were really loose that first run. And we were fading a little bit. Kyle caught us and passed us.

And the lap after he passed us, he gets super loose. It's probably two laps after he passes. We were already, Brad, I know I can tell when Brad's, okay, if I go any harder here, I'm going to wreck myself. Brad is really good at managing his stuff and staying within his limits. And, man, Kyle went by us and two laps later, he had got super loose and we got a big run on him. He slid all the way to the top through him. Like, he went into the bottom and slid to the top and the middle to block us. And it's like, okay, it was that lap or the next lap after that he went into one. And Brad's like,

he could see it. He was trying super hard at that point and just lost it. But like you say, I mean, you can't, he had enough speed in that car where if he just lets them adjust on it a couple times as a race, he's probably going to be in, you know, he's probably going to be in contention for the win. But look at guys like William Byron. He was nowhere to be seen all day. Christopher Bell, mid-pack,

and they just ride around, take what's given. Harvick. It's rare you say that about Bell because he's usually fenced for win. Yeah, he did a really good job of just finishing the race off. But Byron, man, he was, just taking what was given had a fast car same thing you did it like the roval started in the back you didn't see him all day but he ended up with a good finish because he just doesn't make any mistakes he's just finishing the races off with what's given to him and it's paying off for him right now there's like that's like harvick did all day Harvard didn't do anything all day, but ride around, take what was given. Then he ends up with a, what, six or seventh or fifth or six or something like that.

And a good day probably. I don't think that matters, honestly. Like, Harvard's either win or who cares. Well, I'm not saying. I'm just saying that's how you finish these wins up. Yes. You don't beat yourself. Well, moving on to another Kyle in the race.

Kyle Arson says, I should have just made more space after spinning in a side-by-side battle with Bubba Wallace for the one. win. Freddy? Spot on. Spot on that he didn't take us with him. Listen, it's just two guys that are really good at restarts. Two guys that are just going to let it all hang out there. I mean, we didn't have to.

What I told Bubbo coming to the greenware was, we want to win, we don't have to win. And don't, you know, don't be overly aggressive here selling out to try and get the win. And I don't, I mean, maybe I'm biased. I don't think, I mean, obviously, you're holding him tight, but I don't think we were holding him, you know, like trying to wreck him tight.

I think we, you know, we got on his door there on the one and Kyle lost it and we're, keep referencing the tear down. But I think Jeff talked to Cliff afterwards and Cliff just said, listen, you know, these cars haven't had this issue as bad as the old car where, you know, you can, you can, there's a little more side force to lean on, but then the second you lose that side force, it's over. Like there's no saving it. So, um, I think just two guys going for it. Kyle said he should have maybe gave us more room.

I don't know. Like, I don't know what else he's going to do differently there. It's just, they were tight in the one. It's just, they were super tight. Yeah.

I mean, that's what you're supposed to do. What are you going to do in that situation? No, I'm not saying they shouldn't have been. I'm just, yeah, I know that when they go down the corner that tight,

that they're going to be the guy in the inside of me. And he was, I was expecting him to be a little, like he was, we were kind of in, you can't, you can only run so high in one. So like we were kind of in that middle lane,

like a lane, half off the bottom and he was right there on us instead of you know being on the very bottom um so i don't think he did anything wrong i mean obviously he's by now but i don't think obviously i'm not going to say bubba did anything wrong because i think that we did everything we were supposed to do there but i don't know you guys might have a different opinion it's hard to look at it it's hard to look at the replay and just say oh this guy because if you're not in the moment racing every every corner and seeing the little things they're doing which i don't think the tv can show you as good as what we can see because we see what they're doing.

And to me, it's hard to say whether, I know Kyle spun out, but like he's trying to do everything he can because he needs to, he needs that foot to help make the corner. And Bubba's like, okay, you're not getting that foot. I'm going to push it down there. And it's just really hard racing at that point in time. I didn't see it happen live. But I know the cat mouse games that we all play on the straightaways and manipulating air for the corners and all that stuff.

And I'm sure there was a lot of that going on before that. I mean, everyone's doing that every single laugh. It's easy to know who screwed up. Who wrecked? Scientific explanation given. Kyle Larson probably thought he had one of the best cars in the field and didn't think he would lose it. He knows he's one of the best drivers in the field, didn't think he would lose it. And guess what happened?

He lost it. So obviously this was a big opportunity for Bubba to capitalize and get the win. I'm curious, Freddie, and I'm not working ready to go into this one. Is Bubba Wallace the restart king? Man, listen, he's marvelous, phenomenal. whatever you want to call it. He's, that's what he does at restarts.

He's really good. I mean, and that's, I mean, it's my driver, but the stats back it up to, you know, and he's,

he had, he just, obviously, it's hard to say that when you lose the race on a restart, but I think that, I think that he is obviously,

in my opinion, one of the best. I mean, you guys watch the race is the same way I do and I have a more unbiased opinion, I'm sure, but it's hard to argue

that he's not one of the best out there. You don't have an opinion, Brett, is he? Isn't he? I listen, he said he's a restart king and the stats are there that he is one of the best. And, you know, the hard. He called himself that.

The hard part is when you look at the restart data, data, whatever y'all want to call the word, I think it's one thing to be the restart king restarting 12th. I think it's another to be the restart king starting with the lead. When you look at the Kyle Busch's and the Ron Hornadais, those guys won races from the lead with restarts and you knew you were going to have a hard time beating them. He was very close to getting the win. And he made, in my mind, an epic error on the restart, after the restart, going into turn three, where it looked like he was trying to clear himself to the bottom, Freddie, but then he realized he had to hold a lane. And by the time he got to turn three

with the speed he had, he was not setting himself up to make the apex given the lane he was in. And man, it was heartbreaking to watch him lose a race that way. And listen, everybody on social media either loves you or they hate you. And I don't just mean you. I mean 2311, Bobba Wallace, Denny Hamlin. You guys are, there's no gray area with where your fan bases are. But when he got out of the car and said he was a restart king, like people were melting down. And the fact that people were saying, you know, he's not as good as he was.

Well, he sat on the pole and he led 11 laps and he damn never won the race. So obviously I'm above a supporter. but break down for me that last lapish before you lost the lead coming into turn three. Restart came off the league? Yeah. Yeah. He's already did this. Did you?

Yeah. I forgot. I asked that question in the BS. Good job. I mean, we can do it again. I don't do it again. I don't know if he's the restart king, but Bubba's definitely very, he's very good at restarts. He knows where he doesn't make them.

mistake. He knows where to be. He positions himself well. I also think I don't remember how he, I don't remember him being quite as good when he was in the 43 car. I don't know if, you know, I think a lot of the restart stuff is very car dependent too. If your car is good and the driver's comfortable, they can make moves and go forward. Like if you have a fast car, it's going to turn. You can go places other cars can't. Like we saw them mile and a half a few years ago. Remember when them, Hendrick cars were going to the top, turn to the bottom. They're only on a cars that could do that. That makes passing a lot easier. But I definitely think, I definitely Bob is one of the better, he's definitely one of the top tier guys at restarts. I've noticed that over

the years. I go back to when we were teammates with him at Rouse and even though places, I've heard him say when he restarts behind certain people, he knows he's going to pass them. That's a mindset. And there's a lot of things that it takes to make you great at restarts. The first thing is mindset. The first thing is be aggressive. I mean, Chris Rice and I, we hammered some drivers last year, last two years about you have to be an animal on restarts, especially in these cars. because if you don't pass them in, you're not going to pass them at all. Yeah, I mean, the racing analytics on Twitter, I'm not sure what the actual Twitter handle is. But they posted something a couple weeks ago about, you know, positions gained or lost.

And we were like plus 91. The next guy was like in the 50s. And then to your point, that's also restarting top 10 versus the front row. But, you know, he's just really good at taking advantage of people, like you just said. You know, like we, I think it was a you that we went outside, like, mid-year. middle of three on into one yesterday and and and it cleared the 17 like he's just really good at kind of putting people in a position where puts them at a disadvantage and him in an advantage and and it's just he's I think that some of it just comes from willing to be more aggressive than

some are willing to be at that point in a race or whatnot and he is it's I'm sure it's going to come back to bite him somewhere somewhere down the road you know but you know at this point he's capitalizing on it and yeah if he wants to call him to that restart I, we were pushing, we got to the guy in front of us right at the start, finish time, and Bubba wasn't quite there yet. So naturally, he's going to have a little bit of a run when we get to one. Well, I'm telling Brad, out of the dog leg, you got to hang a hard left because here comes above, Bubba's coming with a run.

And Bubba did the right thing. Instead of lifting for us, he made the move to the middle, the middle was open. He forced a guy on the outside, higher than he wanted to be. And it was a good move. I think there was a, I think there was a yellow pretty quick right there or something, wasn't there? Yeah, I think so. So we restarted the same exact way next.

And we kind of took it away because he tried to do the same thing. We kind of faded to the bottom half. Then we came right back to the middle. And then Bubba had no choice to go but follow us to one and two that lap. So, but no, he's, it's good to have, it's fun as a spotter to work with a guy that's looking out the front. Oh, it's so much more fun. Because you're on attack mode. Dude, when you're, no, when you got a guy that doesn't want to go and restarts, it's miserable.

I definitely think that's probably one of, I don't know if he's restart king, but I I do think that's one of the strongest parts of his game right there as restarts. What goes around, comes around, and what happens in Vegas, Freddie, stays in Vegas. For the first time ever, Dirty Mo Media is taking its hit podcast to the streets, live and in front of real people, uncensored, unapologetically authentic and unprepared. So, business is usual, basically. So here's the catch. We'll be talking about ourselves like we'd never have before. These stories, it's going to sound like we couldn't even dream these things up.

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On to the DBCA Main. I want to kick it off by congratulating all of the CB Industries team selfishly. I'm super proud of them. We've got Braxton Flat with two wins at Texas. Owen Larson, fourth. I mean, Jaden Ranyo won at Millbridge. Owen Larson races for y'all? He does.

Wow, that's awesome. Yep. and Windham with the Eldora went on Friday. How old is old now, 9? Oh, I don't know. Around there. You're really involved in that Casey Boat Racing deal, huh? It's actually Chloe Boat Industries, and I don't keep track of their ages, but I know he's young, and it was...

Eight years old. He's eight, exactly. But anyways, tons of racing this weekend between Four Crown, World of Outlaws, All-Star Championship, Congrats to Zeb Wise. I mean. Congrats to Zeb for championship. He's a good kid. Young driver.

Yeah. Logan Sevy does something that only two guys have ever done before him. Two guys named Jack Hewitt and Kyle Larson, who are pretty decent. Yeah. It sweeps the USAC portion of Foreground, which is pretty badass to watch. Shout out to Windham for winning. Finally, I thought he might have forgotten how to do that, but I guess he still got a little bit in him. Hey, I'll tell you what.

He was getting shut. to some of them resourced by Jade. Really? I couldn't watch. I'm too superstitious. By the time I was, I forget where I was at, but I turned it on race monitors to check and see where they were at the program. And they were already in the race. And there was like, I don't know, 10 or 15 to go? And he was leaving.

Friday or Saturday? Friday night when he was leaving. So then I was like, I'm not turning it on. I'm just going to watch right here. I know. I'm very superstitious, too. And I think I made a mistake. They were coming to the green.

And, man, she was like, that Jade is. Aggressive. Dude is. They're coming to the green. she's shoving him to the green. I'm like, geez. But yeah. Who won World Outlaws? I didn't see that one. RICO. RICO. Oh, yeah. That's right. They're at El Dorah. Yeah, Rico one. Yeah, Rico, he is, I mean, if anybody owns El Dora, it's probably Rico. RICO's really good there. Kyle, Tyler Courtney's really good there. Kyle's obviously good there. But yeah, Rico's, he's been ripping this year.

There's guys, like, I will say that watching, like, Tyler, or who did I see? Was it Courtney that was bouncing it off the fence into wall? Like they figure these guys, if you ever go to El Doria, these guys, the fast guys have figured out how to hit the wall and launch off of it to gain momentum. And I don't know how you do that there. I don't know how you do that. Dude, it's unreal.

The funniest thing that came out of Forecrown was Rico finished third, the night Windham won. And I guess probably had to go jump in the sprint car to go run that because I've seen Windham had to run over there. And so Rico didn't go to the podium. And somebody had tweeted like, oh, we just have a two-person podium because it's just, it's just Chris and Jade were up there. And Rico retweeted it and said, no, I'm there. I'm just standing behind a check.

That's funny. I was like, that's, that's hysteria. Dude, Rico's having a good year, man. He's been on fire this year. I got a new crew chief, and I wish I could remember his name. Ricky Warner, yeah. They've been ripping all year. Why, like, does he, so does he run the outlaws next year full time?

I mean, can't. I think he has more fun doing what he's doing. Like, you can chase, I think you can make more money just chasing what he's doing, just chasing bigger events, you know, just being, you know, like a barnstormer, like a true outlaw. He's had a breakout year, in my opinion. I know what y'all can do the train for the heat next summer. You can go to Eldora and just down on a backstretch when they blow them flames up. No shit. That'll be how y'all get in shape.

I feel like it felt like all day yesterday. Yeah. Literally on, when you got, when you walked out of that little air shaft to the roof, it felt like you were. Now you walk behind the planes at the airport And the hot air that's what it felt like the entire It felt like stepping into an oven We'll get them to open the track up And we'll all go out there and drink beer

And stand by the flames Well Wait are they bringing the fans No I don't think fans are allowed Well this weekend Outlaws head to Williams Grove Where I'd imagine the points lead will Get even tighter

Right now Brad Sweet is leading But then David Gravel slightly chipping away. I wish Brad Sweet and Rico get another shot at NASCAR. Because they've obviously raced a hell of a lot more now than they had when they had a chance

to come through here. I think they came through with the sport clips or great clips deal. Probably would have been great clips, right? Brad did. Sport clips is at JGR. I feel like they, man, I'd love to see them get another shot at it.

I don't, you know, I would love, selfishly, I would love to see that, but I don't think they have any interest in it. They have way more fun and probably make more money doing what they're doing now. I think Brad Sweet is, he's on par to be the next Donnie shots. Like, that's he, that's him.

I mean, he's already on that, I mean, he's got four or five championships in a row. Like, how many is Donnie got? I think 10. Yeah, it's ridiculous. But Brad's, I mean. And they run his place right here out of a little next door. Right next door. Yeah, right down the street.

I don't think they're here very much, but. And seeing like those guys, it's just a different breed. That's what they love. That's what they do. You know, it's not, these guys didn't grow up at an asphalt. late model track like Del Jr. did. That's what Del Jr. goes back and runs because that's what he loves. You know, these guys, that's what they do.

And, you know, I think seeing Casey go across the country racing and stuff now and enjoying it, I mean, he's really loving life, you know. It's funny because I like to watch old school late model asphalt racing more than I do dirt racing. But I think dirt drivers are way better drivers. Like just watching the discipline that they do it in. It doesn't matter if it's super darts or if it's world outlaws or whatever. Like just I respect their craft. more than I do the late model guy,

but I enjoy watching now at this point in my life, fastball guy. To your point, I think that, like, you know, and we talked about this last week a little bit with Weaver, you know, Buddy Coffoyd was a kid that was like the next guy. And he's still,

I mean, he's still phenomenally talented driver, but, marvelously talented driver, sorry. And he, he's not, he looks like he's lost all aspirations to go to the NASCAR side in it.

And I wonder if it's not like salary, you know, like we don't see the huge cup, like these guys are trying to get the cup, make this big money versus, you know, just making a living, running dirt. And now these, you know, the salaries are coming down to where it's like, well, I can almost make the same thing over here or similar. I promise you.

And have way more fun. Donny Schatz makes more money than everybody in the truck series. And he probably makes more money than everybody, but one or two in the Xfinity series. And he probably makes more than some drivers in the Cup series. And that was not that way 10 years ago. No, that's what I mean. Like, if a lot of these guys traded in what they really love to do chasing a bigger paycheck and now they're like if the paycheck's going to be equal or similar yeah i'm just going to

stay here and do what i love to do there are some truck teams that still pay well and there are some that pay awful there i would like to see somebody take a guy like this evy kid and put him in a program put him in a program that gives him time to develop his his skill because larsen came in was fast but he made a lot of mistakes he jumped the cushion a lot he hit the wall a lot yeah but once he Once he learns that finesse, I mean, you see what the outcome could be. Yeah, Logan's, he's at the top of his game right now. I mean, he wins a Chili Bowl this year. I mean, he's, I think, I don't know, I would assume he's leading some of, like the USAC points in some of those divisions.

I don't know if all about all three, but, I mean, he's just, every time I look up, he's running well in a different form of car. Yeah, I remember right when I racing came out with the dirt stuff, I started this little, just a part-time little dirt league fund and Larsson, we were in there. and Larson's like, look, if you let that CV kid, we're all running for a second. And so I let him in. I shouldn't have. I shouldn't let him in. He was so fast. So him and Kyle had really good races, but he was super fast.

Kyle was right. Well, don't forget to catch all dirt racing action on dirt vision and catch our show this and every Wednesday. Moving on to Reaction Theater. earlier this week I was asleep and somehow pocket dialed BBC calling and was only saved by Andrew's voice telling me to leave a message at the beep if I hadn't caught that you all had 30 minutes of me snoring farting anyway go Jenny go Danny I don't know you could snore and fart at the same time I guess it's possible I just got a new puppy and he does it could keep snores and farts. She doesn't.

She doesn't? She doesn't. Sorry. My bitch does it. Jesus. If anybody could only like you a little bit less. I don't know what it is. Weird.

How many of you look up. Webster. Oy, aye. Yay. And you got this clown who wins a race and you put on a big f***ing hat. That is the stupidest fucking thing that has ever

been happening in this sport. God, thanks for choking, Bubba and Freddie for making us watch that. Freddie, I have bad news for you. You're welcome. I won a race at Texas with Elliott in 2003, I believe. And by the time I got to Victory Lane, all the cowboy hats were gone. I never got one. Will got one, though.

Mind you, Will the bus driver. He got a hat, but I never got a hat. Well, you count on me to bring you one over there. He definitely had more to do with that win than you. I never got a hat. He's probably dragging on the frontstitch. Because he was already on Pharaoh when they entered a race, that's why. Yeah, that sucked.

I like Byron's hat. I mean, I don't know. Why not? Do something different. You know who looks good in a cowboy hat? Coach Prime. Coach Prime. I was going to say nobody.

He looks like a bad motherfucker up. He got humble the other day, huh? Yeah, you think? Brett to actually freaking do his job. Bubba might have won a race. You say you? Holy shit. Brett, you suck.

Brett, you are terrible at your job. Jeez, Brett. What's wrong with you? Hang on, let me make a note for one idiot. I've given enough races away to feel like I agree with this guy. But I did not partake in giving that one away. I was pulling for my friends, Freddie and Bubba.

And then I cringed when I saw him do that move. And then he lost. I think the biggest, the thing I remember you giving away, Brett, was the one time at Daytona when, was it Daytona where Clint was leading? It was a duel or something. something. We just drove around the bottom like you weren't. You had an extra plate.

You had to cheat it up plate. It was like, okay. Hey, here comes. No, this was with Joey. So, I mean, we didn't, if anything, we had a smaller plate. But I don't remember that one. But I'm not saying you wrong. There's a lot of things I don't remember.

We drove right around you on the bottom. Then it was like, surprise. You should have blocked the bottom. It easily could have. Easily could have. Yeah, we definitely should have blocked the bottom when nobody's coming. Should have blocked the bottom. Hey, Brett.

You got to let your buddy. Andrew know that one of the things professional for athletes do is they actually take erectile dysfunction pills before the race to kind of get that blood flow, that circulation going. So, you know, that might be a performance-enhancing thing that he could do. So Andrew, there you go, man. You're welcome. Andrew, they don't test for that either. If you're walking around looking like you're really excited to be there,

they would just think you're really excited to be there. There's a reason they don't test for it because you can see it. No need for the test. No need for the test. Who's the guy with a red face and pitched a tent over there? Oh, he's our triathlete guy. Is that Andrew's dad here today? I feel like I'm so sorry.

He doesn't get the context. You can see all the triathlete fans. They all stand over there and together. Can't stand close to each other. Listen to Eric Church. What song are you going to listen to while you're running with this situation? All right. You can't listen to any music during the race.

No. Oh. Well, you're going to be playing something in your head? Yeah. What do you tell yourself in your head when it's getting rough? I don't know. It's a long five hours. Yeah, I mean, you don't have any mental things stored like, I don't know.

Five hours. Probably, you probably coach yourself through it. Like, all right. That's what I'm saying. What do you say to yourself? Yeah, it's more just like, at least for the half marathon part, it's like you're counting up and then counting down. So it's like you're counting up to halfway and then you're like counting down.

and then you're like counting down from halfway. It's going to be a lot harder than you thought it was going to be. I'm just warning. I can't even sleep for five hours. I know. Yeah. We can drink for five hours in a bar. Are we ever around when you're doing any of these?

I mean, can we go and sit on the side and try you on it? Because I'll go and drink and watch you do this if we can. I will drink to that. They're mostly on the weekends. All right. You're going to need a mopad, a hovercraft, and a one-year. I mean, I'm not following around. Hey, is there like a GPS thing?

Can we get your tag number and follow you? Actually, you can track me. Oh, that's what I'm on my iron, man. If you ran by the drink station and saw me and Brett with cups extended, would you take? No. We actually need this to be like the Hunger Games where we can talk to Andrew. And actually, during the game, during the race. There was a DBC fan for my first race here in North Carolina who was at one of the aid stations.

And I saw he had a spot on hat. So, Doug, and I knew I could trust him. I'm not drinking anything. Doug Campbell ran like a half marathon down in Charlotte one night, or one day. And Priests and them guys went down there, and they were like on the sidelines. So they were like, hey, we got you a water. And they ran out and handed it to him when I was running. He downed it and it was a Modelo.

Right in the middle of a half marathon. Did I tell you what happened in Bristol? I was walking inside. And you know how the fans are all lined up on the track there? They got the end. And I'm walking in. There was a lot of DBC fans in Bristol, by the way. I'm walking inside.

Priest is over there to sign an autograph and somebody goes, hey, DJ, you're all. Freddy sucks and I saw a priest turn on grins. Because I know. I'm sure Ryan got kicked out of that. Yeah, he did. It was funny because he was just totally to sign an autographs and he heard,

Freddie sucks. And he just started grin and he looked back a little bit just kept going. It was funny. Hi Gibbs, you stupid son of a f***. You don't have a fucking driving the damn pit road. Take your dumb.

back to Fittan Xfinity where these kids drive. You're in the cup series This is where the drivers drive, dips, bitch. Jesus. I mean, I guess he gets Ty.

Big, big Ty. Yeah. I don't even know what to say about that. Big Ty Gibbs fan. Yeah. I would like to have heard what Hirsch had to say to Josh,

because that would have been interesting. It's never Hirsch's fault. I do know that. Yeah, it's usually not my fault either. Greed also know that. I'll argue until I'm right. Figured out why I don't like Bubba. It's because he's just like my nagging ass wife.

He plays a sympathy card after every race in the interview because he chokes. Just like my wife. Always saying, I think I look fat. I feel fat. Do I look fat just so I will say? No, sweetheart, you look fine. You're not fat. That's what Bubba does.

He wants people to say, you're not that bad, Bubble. You're actually a good race car driver. Kisses me. of. Full transparency, she is fat, and he does suck at racing. I mean, if my wife wins two races, she ties him.

But unfortunately, your wife's not going to win two races, dumb of that. So, um, listen. His poor wife. Um, listen, I, there's a lot of times like Bubba gets out and I cringe at maybe some of the things he says, I thought he handled yesterday's interview really well.

He got out and said he choked. He did a, you know, he messed up. You know, I don't know. The choke is the right word. I don't know. He, he's, maybe it is. He, you know, he made a bad decision in the turn three. I don't think he, I don't know that he played a sympathy card.

I didn't look at all the interviews. But yeah, you can say a lot of things about Boba if you want, but that he sucks is not one of my opinion. And if you think about it, would you rather him get out of the car? and be like, I'm the greatest of all time. Just restarting. Yeah, I mean, you know what I mean. Just ask him. Wouldn't you rather somebody be hard on himself and more humble than somebody who's overconfident?

In today's world, I don't care what he says as long as he's telling how he feels, because we have way too many of these guys that get out and either lie to us or sugar-coded or don't address a question. So like him or not, at least he gives us some authenticity because, holy cow, are we missing that? When you look back at when this sport was on the rise and we were doing all the things well, the drivers were not pansies in interviews like they are now.

I do agree with that. I think it's good for the sport. I might not agree with what he says all the time, but you're listening. And he's providing also a perspective that not many industry members provide. I mean, he's providing his true feelings all of the stress that comes into being a driver day in and day out.

Yeah, a lot of these guys you don't hear anything from. Bubba, he tells you. How many times that we've been lied to this year in interviews? Yeah. Post-race. You know, listen to me. Ryan Priest, you just mentioned his name. He lied to us.

Yeah. Chase a couple weeks ago, like, whatever. But, like, I wish, you know, if anybody had any reason to never speak in public, it's Bubba, because what happens is anytime he says anything or does anything, it's just, it's just, it's just torn apart. Like, like, I always laugh at people. Why are you talking about Bubba? You talk about Bubba. Because no matter what you could say, Bubba said the sky's blue today,

it's going to get a gazillion likes and clicks and whatnot. And it's going to be, he's an idiot. The sky's red. I don't know what the hell this guy's problem is. So if there's anybody that had a reason to not talk, it's probably him. But he consistently goes out there and puts himself out there, sometimes for better, sometimes for worse. But he's not afraid to do that and show you his emotion and tell you what he's thinking.

And I appreciate that about him. I wish for more drivers were like that. And again, if you want to say he sucks, then that's fine by you. but sure, I do. Oh, well, send us your thoughts,

whether they're dumb or not, as for you mentioned. Whenever you'd like, just call our new number 704802-9-572. Moving on to AskDBC. Don't forget,

use hashtag AskDBC on Twitter. We will keep picking the best ones. This first one is from Matt, knowing they can't change the grandstands

and structures surrounding the track. How would you reconfigure some other speedway. You can't do a big, you know, there's never, you're not going to, one thing I would scratch right off the list, do not make it another Atlanta or try to make it another Atlanta.

I don't think anybody wants that driver-wise. I don't want to spot another race like that. You're not making it a short track because that would require tearing pretty much the whole facility down. I think your best bet is just trying to go back to either the old configuration where we could kind of run all over the place or it's going to be a very. mile and a half. It's going to be a tri-oval mile and a half. I would love to see another true oval kind of like homestead, but it's not going to happen just because of the way to this guy's point.

The grandstands and the walls are laid out. It's just not possible. That's literally my question in top of mind is why can't we make one and two like one and two at homestead. The problem is and it's, you know, homestead is a different animal because it's a true oval versus a tri-oval or, you know, whatever you want to call that cookie cutter intermediate deal. You know, I'm sure that lends itself to making homestead what it is because we see it similar at California you know something like that but yeah I don't know it's I think you just go back to closer to what the original you know that we we repaved it and we need to repave it because it wouldn't dry that was the biggest thing like there wasn't I don't

remember the racing being awful it wasn't it wasn't you know we we had to repay because the one week we were there until Wednesday because the track just wouldn't dry even when it stopped raining it wouldn't dry So that was the main reason they redid it And then they just thought they had a better idea And it obviously didn't work One and two is awful It's probably the worst corner of the sport

So You know they I think you just go back to To what we had before Or something similar to what we had before And just let it rip Yeah I would I would take being there for an extra day To have the old track back honestly

I know it was hard to drive But the racing when they did race on it It was all over the track Top bottom and you had guys that could it was like a homestead or or a Charlotte you had guys that could run the fence and they would figure it out

McMurray was always one of the first up there in turn one um Dell Jr. Carl all them guys man I think Jamie was the first one up there after the refave too wasn't he? Yeah he was the first one went into turn one and forgot the turn he was

yeah it was scary looking I think he tried to turn he didn't forget to turn He tried there was nothing to turn on It's so weird looking Like even when you run it on eye racing, you go and aren't you're like, whoa, there's the bottom over there. And you're like, okay, that's exactly how they look when they run it. That's crazy.

Now, if they're potentially looking at moving this race to spring, would the weather being cooler impact or help the racing at all? Well, the racing side of it might hurt a little bit. It'll help the fan side of it for sure, I think. It's going to hurt the racing. The racing will suffer a little bit, especially as is, the track as is. you know, it's just, it will have more grip and be faster through the corners. I just don't, I didn't see a lot of guys slip yesterday because of, because of just the heat.

I saw it. The only time they slipped was if they jumped the invisible cushion. Yeah. You know, so I don't, if it's cooler, they're just going to go faster and beyond that, beyond that edge more, which could create it, you know, I think at the Xfinity race now, that could be, that could be interesting. That Xfinity race. Holy half. I knew that was coming. Somebody said to me something about, oh, we were going to go somewhere, watch the Nordame game.

And I was like, we're going to be here. We went to an estate. It's like, we're. Dude, we went to an Xenia race and an Arker race broke out. It was, it was brutal. It was. We were talking about it, but I was still, Herm stands next to me. And I was looking at Herm and I was like, man, this is going to, I think this has got potential to be a bit of a shit show.

And he's like, yeah, I agree. And then like I said, Lab 1, the 1's in the fence off a 2, the 98th in the fence off of 4. And you're like, oh, God, here we go. And it was just all day. People in the back spinning. out or whatnot. It was a bit of a disaster. Moving on to question number two. How can we get the cup cars to race at Martinsville like those late models did on Saturday? And this one is from Mike. Yeah, I saw that replay. They finished,

which is a phenomenal finish. And it was, I still think watching them late models, man, they're flying around there. Like, they're in the throttle a lot. I didn't see what the lap times were. Actually, I did see it, but I can't remember what it was. It was. It was, like a 19 second lap, I think. Maybe I didn't see a lap time. Yeah, phenomenal, marvelous. Put the rain tires on the cup cars. Let them race.

To that thing. Listen, we know what the issue is in Martinsville. It's the shifting. It's the tires. The car was just a giant bad package right now. But like you said, great finish of that race. Huffman probably could have easily got in line and put the bumper to him and moved him, but didn't.

Try to race them on the outside. Raced fairly clean. Zero idea. why that happened like that. Lost. What an idiot. What idiot. He should have just lifted

and got himself a clock. Yeah. You don't have to wreck the guy. Just a little bump and run. I've been there. It can be done. Yeah. But yeah,

I don't know. You never... Your last name is Huffman. You're not so... You don't drive with a glass bumper. The second question on my cheat is from Tim. And it says, is there anything NASCAR can do

to get you guys some fucking shade. We talked about it. We already covered. Are you got short-term memory loss today? Tim is our friend. Tim, there are things we can do. Oh, Tim, Tim, we appreciate you.

There is some things we can do, aside from the fans that the imaginary fans are there to give us. There's always something you can do. Some tracks. How cheap could you do it? I have no idea. Four by fours and a tarp. No, I mean, I think there's more two of than what you're thinking.

But could it be done? I mean, I've seen crazier things done than that. But yes, it could be done. You can't do it for under five grand. I don't know. I think if you put something up there, it's going to have to be something like those. things they put at the parks those rectangular things for shade but you have to you have to they have

to be anchored down to something that's bolted to the roof which everything on the roof is anchored down has to be anchored down yeah and they could put them up for the weekend and take them down I don't think those you can't put an easy up up there that's not happening well they said you guys could bring whatever you needed to do your job I'm not yeah the wind was bad I mean the wind was bad and over there it would have probably landed at the airport you don't think you only get 20 by 20 easy up tent would it worked. I think it would have worked till it wasn't there. I just, I can't stress enough. And I don't care, but if you hate the fact that we're bitching that it's hot up there. But I cannot stress. And you don't even realize it. Like it's, it's so hot, you kind of get used to it.

You don't even, you don't think about it. But then when Tab brought that umbrella out for five seconds and just put it over us, I was like, oh my God. My favorite used to be when I would watch sweat drip off the front of my hat. I was like, well, I guess, I guess my hat is saturated at this point. You know what I? So when I put some ball. lock on. You put it on your face. I stopped putting it on my forehead. And I got a big forehead if I don't wear a hat. But it would sweat and go down across your eyes. And if you don't, like, it's your eyes are staying in. And I kept going and getting a, um. They call it, we have a five hit. Not a four yet. Yeah. That's the Peyton Manning joke. Um, I kept going and getting a this, this towel that I had that can go all the way over your head and down across your shoulders. And I would

go in my cooler and just dip it in. We'll tell you, Bodie's cooling towels out. Now he's coming up Black Romano. Those things are phenomenal. Yeah. Keep your, like, I feel like I'm keeping my head cool. They're marvelous. Yeah. Super. Miraculous.

Miraculous. Well, we originally cut that from Tim because they'd already complained about it. We want to complain again. Yes. By all means. Thank you, Tim, for submitting that question. This next one is from Jim. What are Freddie's thoughts on Up Dog?

This is a, I'm assuming this is an Andrew question. What is Up Dog? I don't even know what you're talking. about what's up dog what's up dog never mind you know what up dog is what was the

you saw it I think I know you saw it Josh Allen what's the name of that restaurant that whole room 40 room 40 you ever seen that Andrew ever in that place room 40 do you know it Brandon

I'm afraid I'm afraid to you know there's a new yeah there's a new restaurant you know you ever wing nuts where you go, you know, the wing place you ever hear of them? It's where you can go. It's in Buffalo.

No, they're all. That's the chain all over the place. Yeah. That's all. It's like wing nuts or wings to go kind of. Okay. Now, have you ever heard of Room 40? I'm just skeptical of answering.

You'll figure it out. Okay, what's the name of the restaurant? Wing 40. Room 40. Room 40. Room for these nuts in your mouth. And this is why we have 12-year-olds on our show. If you're 12, you should not be listening.

Room 4D. Not for T. I'm not. I got to say this. I watched this video and I know it's from a while ago on Pat McCaffey's show. McCaffee? McCaffee. Yeah.

Maccaffee. McAfee. Been sitting next to Brett too long. That was pretty far off. So this kid calls in. He's like, oh, yeah. You're such a role model. He's like, no, no.

And at the end of the, what's he say it? He's like, Boston or some. Yeah. The other guy in the show, you know what I'm talking about? What's his name? I don't know any of their guys in that show. So I think it's one of the guys on the show and he's like, F this guy and they're all like, yeah!

Dude, you ever seen it? Oh, I've to show it to you. That video you sent me is pretty good. Did you hear it? Can you hear it? No, but I just saw. I mean, basically waived. All you got to do is hear it.

He does, the driver does exactly what the spider tells him. All right. Well, that looks like a driver does exactly what the spider tells him. What are we got here? What an idiot? Yes. What an idiot, man. Lanham Offman, I mean, sorry.

Why one idiot is coming from that event. I have a feeling. Dillner? These idiots. These idiots. I have a hard time called because I like Chad Bryant. But they got into it. I don't know who the other guys were.

Tate Magnum. Magnum Tate. Yeah, that was that. I saw it. And whatever. You guys want to fight. Fight. You look like idiots when you fight.

But it is what. it is. I've been in fights. It happens. But here's where you're an idiot. You just, the, the next heat race is lined up getting ready to go out and you guys decide to fight on the hood of this guy's car and destroy this guy's front end while he's getting ready to go out for a race.

The blue car. The purple car. It was the 42, which I don't know if he was any good. I don't know who it was. He did not make the race. You know, so I know that. His right front fender and his hood are buckled in and killed because these guys are wrestling around laying on it. I don't know. I saw the wreck and it was a dumb-looking wreck. And I just, that event, I seen some people complaining about the guy that runs that event. And that event seems to me like it turns into a bit of a show every year. And maybe it is time to make a change there. Because even when I was going with, I went with Bubba a couple, I don't know, I say a couple years ago. It was probably 10 years ago now. You know, it was a joke then. And it's kind of always been a joke. There's always guys wrecking the hell out of each other or jumping. and restarts or whatever it is.

Like you would think one of the most prestigious lay model of races in the country. There's just no respect. Yeah. Like you just turn each other. Well, there's no respect because nothing happens, I don't think. You know, these guys wreck each other and then they get away. It's kind of like we talk about Bowman Gray. You see this stupid stuff at Bowman Gray because nobody does anything about it. So, I mean, these guys, how, like

listen, I said, like I said, Conor Hall is a very talented race car driver. I won the national championship this year. You see these guys fighting after this heat race. why are they in the race? Like I would have told all of them, pack your shit and get out. Like you're in here having this big melee. You wreck this guy's car. Like both two teams can pack your shit and leave.

Like I don't need you here the rest of the day. I got 88 cars lined up trying to get in this race. Even when I ran that race back then, like going there, I was nervous because I was told, hey, if you're not, if you don't transfer into qualifying, you're probably just going to get wrecked. And I've qualified 27th, which is seven spots short of making the show. And just planned on not making the race. Luckily, I transferred in and didn't get wrecked. But man, they're called the hooligan race.

This is what they went out there. Oh, you've got to run a hooligan race. What? Oh, yeah, you're probably getting wrecked. Yeah, and that's the thing I don't like it. Like, they recently changed the format, I think, because it used to be they would lock, I think, X amount in from qualifying. And then they would have these races to fill the field out. Well, now everybody runs a heat.

So, like, you know, Huffman was really good a day. He sat on the outside pole. But if somebody goes into turn one and wipes them out, like, you're out. Like, you don't matter how fast you are. It used to be a little bit over half the field was locked in. Yeah, I thought. I thought it was like 20, and then they put 20 in from the last chance races. But, yeah, I don't know.

I don't know what it is if it's the people running the show over there or what, but they've got to do something to be a little better. You got an idiot? Yeah, Landon. What an idiot. Had to race one. It was right in front of you. I'm not going to say mine, but she shouldn't tweet what she tweeted or posted what she posted.

It's all I'm going to say about it. Damn it, Casey, what did you say now? Brandon, were you there, Brandon? Yeah. So Brandon Brown here. So I don't know. He's a general manager of a racetrack. We still got him here on Monday morning every week. But he said to back up that point about the heat races, like all the stuff was going on around those transfer spots.

You know, like that the future. Always is. Yeah. But I mean, that's what I'm saying. Like lock these guys in, which I guess it wouldn't matter. It's the same thing would happen. But like you've got to figure out a way to clean this up because it is an amazing event. But it just always turns.

Yeah. It always turns into a disaster. Yeah. Yeah, if you look at the last 25 laps, they had a comp caution at 25, and those last 25 laps were, they were beaten, they were banging, but it was some of the best racing, if you go back and watch it, that I think I've seen in my entire life. And there's ways to do it.

Like I was talking with this about Tommy Baldwin, you know, talking about this with Tommy. The Modified guys, Doug Kobe, Ronnie Silk, Justin Bonsignor, race each other like they hate each other's guts. But what they don't do is crash. Like whatever it is, they round. run each other over. You know, they had a Justin and Silky just had a big battle at Riverhead where they're beating and banging the hell out of each other, back and forth,

swapping the lead, and they finish first and second or first and third. Because they know that there's a line you can go to without crossing and wrecking your stuff. And these guys, the wreck I saw with Connor Hall, I don't know, whatever the other kid's name was, was it Magnum Tate? Is that his name? Magnum Tate climbed up on him. Yeah, like he jumped over him. Like he was trying to pull out a line unit.

We've seen Martinsville restarts a thousand times. He gets a good run, so he's going to take him three wide. to one. Well, I think Connor comes down a block a little bit. He jumps over his left rear, has damage. So what does he do when he gets turned one? Just hangs dead right and wrecks, you know, whoever, he wrecks Connor and whoever was behind Connor. And that's why the fight comes in. But I mean, like, I get it. Like, you're mad. But now, like, it just goes too far. And it just, it ruins a really good event. You dive three wide into the corner of Martinsville. Most of the time the guy in the outside gets turned. Because when you get to their corner, you're hitting the curb. Well, it, like, it's

kind of like the track goes back to the right some from the inside because you got the wallet on here then the curb comes back some so you got to go back to the right to make the corner and that's where the usually the wrecks happen but yeah there's just no respect i mean you got if you're fifth and they're taking four in the last lap that guy always wrecks the fourth place guy oh yeah why wouldn't you yeah why wouldn't you you're in happens nothing you know it seems like nothing ever gets done about it tj for for land and what you know in your opinion what do you think he should have done there uh let him clear you let the guy clear him off too. Let the guy clear him and I think Lannon's a good enough race car driver to get out on

the corner and not wreck him and race across the line. Really similar to what we saw in 2018. Martin True S. clear is Joey Ligano. Joey Ligano goes on the corner and bumps him and they race side by side across the line. The lap before that, and I don't remember who the guy was he was he was racing with. Yeah, he got one. So that guy ran him up off of four in my opinion and that's why landed on the front trash hung a hard laugh and they were like dooring into one at that point like the gloves are kind of off at that point so you know contact's okay so I don't know why you'd want to be on the outside of three and four worse you know I don't know why you want to be up to me I'm letting him clear me and I'm going to go down the corner and I'm going to hit him just hard enough

to get them up off the bottom I'm going to use them up on the exit once I get position on them and I'm going to try to win the race at worst you finish side by side he beats you by a nose or something still but I think Landon, you know, was good enough. And I don't know in his interview, he said something like he's glad he raced that way. Well, down the front stretch, you're hanging a left end of the guy. What's what's bump in three and four going to do? You know what I mean? You don't have to wreck the guy, but I don't know.

But it's good to see Landon. He's been strong in that car a lot this year, and it's good to see him doing that and making progress there. So great race at the end, though. I mean, that's what you want to see at Martinsville anyway. It's two guys, and I am glad they didn't wreck each other. you know, a car didn't get destroyed for a win. So it was cool to go back and see a replay of it.

I think that was happening while we were racing still. So great, great finish. You're an idiot still landing. Who won this ago? You didn't. I didn't. No. No, Brett won.

I was trying to win. Same. Casey, we're coming for you. Casey has one more race. Actually, Freddie, that's you. If you don't, if I win, I'm out. You're out. And obviously, I was.

is going to win this week until you wrecked him. Yeah. I should get a point because you wrecked Larson. Oh, we're not going there. That sounds like something Casey would say. TJ, who are you picking for Talladega? Damn, what a weekend. Anything can happen.

No kid. I mean, I can look at this list here. Listen, somebody in a Rick Ware car or BJ McLeod or somebody that we do not even know is in the race this weekend is going to finish top team. They do it every time. Man, I am, I don't want to jinx myself, so I'm going to go with Ryan Blaney. I will.

What do you mean you don't want to jinx yourself? You won't pick yourself, but you don't want to jinx yourself? Well, then I'll pick you. I'll take Kislauski. That's the first time he's heard out in years. That's what I was going to pick. Thanks for the respect. I will take.

Damn, I know who I want to take now. I'll take Joey Lagano. Aggressive. I'll take a guy who used to suck at plate tracks and for whatever reason since he got to RCR he's been pretty fast and he's got to turn it around he's almost in a must win

Kyle Busch he could have won two or three plate races so far this year and he's won one one this could be a great weekend for you would take Busher nah save him save him I think Kyle Busch has got a win and I think I wanted to take Busher but I was looking at

in Casey's list and she already picked him He and Derek have had some success together so So we'll see what. Listen, all of our picks are just, I mean, there's just shit. I mean, we have no idea. It's a shot of dark. On that note, with where Bubba is in points, Freddie, what's your strategy heading into? Win both stages win the race.

Obviously, but knowing the big one can happen at any time, where's your head at? Win both stages win the race. You guys are. I'm not saying, my goal is to lead every lap of the race. So hanging in the back won't really. do anything. There's no hanging in the back this week for us. Win both stages win the race.

I'll tell you, man. Listen, even Denny Hamlin isn't safe with these two races coming up. He's plus 37 to the good, but given that there are ultimately four stages to pay points and two end of races to pay points, that is six opportunities to win points. If he were to have a problem in stage one here next week at the roble, he's in deep dukey. he's two feet from being out. He is. Like hitting that right,

hitting the right rear tire and breaking that toe link. He's two feet from being out right here. What about Larson, where he's right now eighth? Two in. There's two guys that I'm concerned about here, maybe even three.

You know, Larson, Larson always seems to find a crash at a plate race. Not that he's, I don't think he's bad at plate racing. It just seems like he always ends up in a wreck. Truex struggles at plate race.

like I don't think he's never won a plate race right that I remember um not cup I mean he's gotten some stage points in the last few years with us because we all kind of work together um but you know if you end up wrecked here that's a that's a bad deal and you know um Ross another one is another one's another one um struggles sometimes that's I don't think I don't want to say struggles of plate racing but another one that kind of ends up something bad happens right in front of like there this is the only track we would go to that I'm I would ever say this. The bottom four after one race in round two could potentially be in the top eight next week.

Yeah, easily. All four of them could all of a sudden be flipped in in the top eight. Four guys in the top eight could be looking out. This week determines our playoffs, I think. You know what I mean? Because we need to get, if we wreck here, we're in a lot of trouble. A lot of trouble. You know, we have to go to robo and win.

Oh, you're on. Any of us wreck here. You know, so, you know, this determines we got to get. If all these cars are in the race, We might be okay. Knowing that even the roval is unpredictable, do you think that this playoff segment or this round is the most difficult of all? I think this is the biggest wild card round for sure because I think if I think all of us,

all 12 of these guys look and say, if we can survive Talladega, survive the roval, we're really good at these racetracks. You know, you look at take Tyler, for example. Tyler's, you know, plate history, not that great, really good road course racer. If he can get to the next round and look at Vegas and Homestead, I mean, he's unbelievable at Homestead. Yeah.

You know, that sets him up for a final four run. There's guy, Kyle Bush, same way. All these guys are looking at it. If I could just get through this round, I'm really good. You got three really good racetracks coming up, and that's for some of these guys that if I'm, I agree with everything you said, if I'm Danny Hamlin and Martin Truex, my goal is get as many points as I can get in stage one. Stage two, I'm going to get the hell out of there.

Because if they wreck, you don't have to get in it. And then you know you're going to have a top 18, top 16 finish. Your goal is get as many as you can at stage one. Chill out, be smart stage two. Don't put yourself, if it looks bad, get out, right? That's kind of what we did at Daytona. You know, when we were 32 to the good or something like that, you know, and we were racing the 54, and it was like, go up there and try to get stage points.

And we lost a little bit of track position. because they're all right, get the hell out of here now because, like, we can lose 32 points in this rimmed little's wreck, and it turned out the 54 was the one that wrecked, so then we were good, and then we just had to protect against a new winner. And it changes during the race, like you said. I mean, if you have a big wreck stage one, you're like, oh, we got rid of a bunch of guys. We're going to race hard stage two. But just looking, you know, outside in, I would say if I were those two guys.

And I guess Christopher Bell, too, like do your Toyota thing, go get your points, race hard stage one. But if you don't get any of stage one, TJ, then you've got to race hard stage two to get them. you're going to have to get points on one of these stages. Yeah, you got to. I mean, for us, I'd like just to find Busher. I work with him as hard as we could, try to get out front, pull the pack. I know our cars work well with each other. They can push good with each other and would like to do that and try to control the race.

I'd like nine or ten stage points into the first stage, which would boost us up quite a bit. And I think that sets the tone for the rest of the race. Then you just got to finish. If you finish, you're going to run top 50s. I want more stage points of second stage too, though, because I want to, I think if we can get a lot in the first one, we're creeping up to, you know, the next tier. Yeah. And then if we can get more in the second stage, then I think I would be pretty happy coming out of there with, you know, first or second, both the stages. And then even if you wrecked at the end, you've had a pretty good day.

I'll never forget the first year we did stages, Xfinity Race, Elliott one stage one, Elliott one, stage two, and then stage three, we got wrecked. And then the next day, Tony Stewart was not racing anymore. He had retired. So we're at Stewart-Hoss with Clint. And Tony keys up the radio and he goes, hey, Clint, I just want to remind you of something. Elias Sadler, one stage one, stage two, did not finish the race and scored the most points of anybody in the entire field. And then you're like, wow. So to your point, if you can go have two amazing stages, you can afford not to finish.

It's going to be crazy. Yeah. That makes me less. Will they race hard or will they chill out? That is the next question. Both. Because we saw Daytona falls to the wall, the whole race. Will they race hard or will he chill out?

I think that's a different event, though. You got guys that if they win, they're still in. You got rain, you had lightning. Everyone still has a chance at Daytona when you go to that race. Because even the 24th place guy in points, if he wins that race, he's in. This is a different story. I don't think you'll see. Ricky Stenhouse wants two wins.

He could care less about your playoff. Yeah, but he's not, yes, but he's not going to, he's not going to, I don't think he'll overly aggressive. I think he'll be he's going to be aggressive to get to the front. I remind you that on Monday. Wow, yeah. We'll see. Either way, trucks are also there. No Xfinity this weekend. Xfinity's off.

Trucks are there. Playoff race for them. Talk about Xfinity. There's some guys that have put themselves in some bad spots for Xfinity. Namely, TJ's guy. Well, that would have been, I forgot about that. What an idiot. The 19 Xfinity car. I mean, that's three big wrecks this year that you've

that you've caused. So maybe maybe pull the reins a little bit. Was that you? Was that with you? Yeah. Yeah, got loose and come up and clean us out. Like,

you got guys that race all year for a shot of the playoffs. You shouldn't be a part-time guy that, you know, has as much experience as you do coming and they're making those mistakes. Yeah, in the playoffs. In the playoffs. Like, I get it.

You're in a fast car, but that car has a limit too. And that's three big wrecks. this year. Which car we're talking about? The 19. Which is Trevor Bean. Yeah. Trevor Bain. Not a full-time driver. No, that's three rec cities caused this year. He calls one at Atlanta, Daytona, and

now Texas. So pull the damn reins. What a job by the way in that wreck Parker Cligerman. Like, I don't know, a Klingerman, whatever you want to call. Cligerman. Oh, it's a G. Oh. Yeah. It's Klingerman for Miandale Jr. But when they did that close caption

and there was Klingerman on the T? I was dying laughing. But we've been trying to. tell you all there's an end in his name for years. The job he did avoiding that wreck and now where's he at? He's one out versus where he would have been behind you.

He would have been 30 out, must win Roval. And now you talk about, I mean, we talked about this leading into wherever, where was their last race at? Was it? Bristol? No, the Kansas. When we were talking about he can't go there and just outrun the 98 on pure speed.

He had to do something different. When we get to the roval, that's where there guys at next. He can outrun Daniel Hemrick by one spot there. Like that's a, that's a, he's a really good road course racer. If he doesn't make any mental mistakes. Yeah, no, he's got to be, he's got to have a clean day. Texas was a mental mistake on his part. Oh yeah.

At the end. And he even said in his interview, I think on, on Parker's. At the end. He says in his interview that he was, it was the right move to make. Well, I don't think so that was right move. You were better than the seven. You just needed to line it up right. You saw an opening and you over did it. You know, I think if he. Yeah, you took the first opportunity and setting it up. Yes. And it wasn't the right move. I mean, you lost, you lost it and went up and hit him. Like, that's not the right move. There was going to be more opportunity. You had better tires than him. And I think Parker had, he has enough awareness and enough speed to regroup right there and get inside of him, pulling back on a straightaway at some point.

If Parker can stay inside of him on one exit of the corner, he's going to beat him into the next one. And that's all we needed to do. He went for it too early. but yeah i don't truck playoffs this weekend core hym's locked in around two yeah i think the the battle there is going to be end finger versus zane the top three have been the fastest three car trucks all year corey at kis mjewski's down there they had an issue at bristol who knows what kind of speed they're going to have after that little penalty they got um but yeah i think that and zane has kind of been uh like he's been on and off this year not not as fast as he has been in years past. You don't know. He's had a lot of stuff going on. Obviously, just announced his cup deal,

or his deal with trackouts, whatever you want to call that. So I don't know if that's been a little bit of a distraction. But I think that'll be a good battle the next two weeks is Enfinger versus Zane for that last time. They will have a massive wreck in this race. And it will take out of playoff drivers. Well, you're going on a limb there. They just think that. They will have a massive wrecked. I'm glad. This will be the best race of the weekend. I'm glad I'm doing this race, but my guy is just, this is his third race ever in the truck. So we're just going to take it easy, learn how to race the other line for a while, let them wreck. And hopefully when they do, we miss it and we can come out of there with the top 10. I think I'm going to have a familiar driver this

week in a truck race. Yeah, maybe what a shot to win. Oh. Oh, yeah. Foreshadowing or what he's. Do you share. Babe Ruthen it right now. Maybe. Yeah, what's calling a shot. Give me some initials or some. C.S. Yes. Yes. Well, before. Dallas. What? Oh, seriously. Here we go again. No, just kidding.

Before we close out the show. Freddy's just, there goes the big wreck, Freddy's guy. Yep. Before we close out the show, I completely forgot to mention Y. Miller with a P2 on Friday night. And Dale actually stopped by the dirt track at Texas to watch his nephew run. It was so cool seeing Dale. like he was working on tires asking a ton of questions and I know that the dirty mode media team heads to larnerville tomorrow Tuesday for the high limit race and dale was so curious to learn more

about dirt racing he had never been to a sprint car race so if you guys have any pointers feedback thoughts send them to dale send them to us we'll let them know he he is in for a treat for sure we'll share his phone number you can call him yeah you can call it's right hey we're really cool to awesome insight last week by Justin Haley and Dale Jr. on the Dell Jr. Download about what ages they think kids should start racing. Definitely if you're a diehard fan, it's worth a listen. Obviously, they talked about a lot of different things, but I personally enjoyed having started going on the racetrack at four years old until I rolled out. Now, that insight where they're basically saying, here's the perfect age to start racing.

Yeah, and I agreed with them because, you know, like we've seen with Bodie playing baseball. It's the same thing. Like, it's great that he's getting experience and playing baseball five years old. He's not going to grasp how to turn and double play until he's 10. You know what I mean? There's things that we can teach him, but it's not going to hit home until he gets a little bit older. Great insight by those guys. I was probably similar to Brett.

I grew up at Learnerville, actually, where they're getting ready to go tomorrow. Like, my dad raced here every Friday, and literally I had the same little dirt track in the dirt right there by the flag sand that my hot wheels went to every week. And then the big wheel races on the front. front stretch. I got two little fire suits hanging in my garage that I used to, I wouldn't race it unless I, and it was just a Halloween costume when they sewed patches on it. But I've, I've got a box full of big wheel and bicycle trophies. But that track is where I grew up. So Lernerville's always been one of my favorite dirt tracks and it will put on a phenomenal show there. I used to wreck the hell out of John on a big wheel race out in front of our house. I'm talking

destroy them. Yeah, you could, it explains a lot of what's wrong with you. Big wheels are a lot easy to hook each other a week. Yeah, you could have the hell out of it. Yeah, that rear tire, you can get a hold of it and turn it. We will have plenty to talk about next week. Thank you for listening. Casey, thanks for only being a couple minutes late today, too. By the way, uh, Charlotte weekend, y'all are going to be on stage in the fan zone, fan zone stage. Casey, that is six, sharp. On October 7th. Well, luckily, I will be there. 5.45. We're going to be on stage at 545. I will be there earlier for the to the news. So if this isn't a sign to get your tickets to Charlotte, I don't know what it is.

I just hope that host of our fans there for Brett again. Yeah. He would think he'll be as loud this time. If you're listening, our fan, please show up. Can I get the invite? Can we request beer?

Yes. You are invited. I'll tell you what. I'll bring a bag of picks and throw you one in the crowd. Yeah, we'll hand you a pick for beer. Hey, I won't say, though. Andrew. Where's bartender band?

Hey, Andrew, you want to be bartender, Andrew? I'll be bartender. This is a great opportunity. The guys may need some water while they're on stage. So you could, this could be your shot. I may need a ride home after. I don't need a water. See y'all next week.

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