Door Bumper Clear - 311. Roval & Bob Pockrass: "He Wrecked The Dog Food Out Of Him!"

Episode Date: October 10, 2023

DBC is here to break down all things Roval! Brett Griffin, Freddie Kraft, TJ Majors and Casey Boat welcome in Fox Sports reporter Bob Pockrass into the studio to discuss an eventful elimination weekend in Charlotte. The group recaps AJ Allmendinger’s dominating win, the most recent four drivers to be eliminated from the Playoffs, and the various strategies teams ran over the weekend. In Spot On Spot Off, the group debates the pros and cons of the 2024 schedule, the implementation of the new restart zone at the Roval, Jeb Burton’s crash with Justin Allgaier in a late race restart, Bubba Wallace’s penalty after being caught up in a crash and whether or not the Roval’s return in the ‘24 schedule is a good or bad thing. Plus, Pockrass shares what he has heard regarding the latest Silly Season moves that have yet to be announced, the group recaps their live appearance from Charlotte over the weekend and previews a likely chaotic week in Vegas. Come see us in Las Vegas! 🎟️ BUY TICKETS: https://bit.ly/3OZRNM3DraftKings State-Specific Problem Gambling Information:In Massachusetts, call [phone] or visit gamblinghelplinema.org, In New York, call 877-8-HOPENY or text HOPENY (467369). In Tennessee and Kansas, Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER. On behalf of Boot Hill Casino & Resort (KS). In West Virginia, Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit www.1800gambler.net. All games regulated by the West Virginia Lottery. Please play responsibly. In partnership with Hollywood Casino at Charles Town Races. In Connecticut, Help is available for problem gambling call 888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org. Licensee partner Golden Nugget Lake Charles (LA). 21+, age varies by jurisdiction. Void in Ontario. See DKNG.co/autoracing for eligibility, terms and responsible gaming resources. Bonus bets expire seven days after issuance. Eligibility and deposit restrictions apply.  Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

The following is a production of Dirty Mode Media. Nor. Clear. Clear by two. Please really shallow entry. Bumper. Clear. Hey, everybody.

I'm T.J. Majors. Spotter of the 6th cup of car, the 8thxfinity car. And Freddie is alive. Ready. I'm always alive. Brett Griffin. Freddie and I leave for Vegas tomorrow, Tuesday.

We're there all week, so he may not be alive on Wednesday. TJ. I'm sorry. Freddie, up and down, left and right day for you. Yeah. Yeah. What's up, Freddie Crafts, Potter for Bubba Wallace, which Bubba had easily the best road course weekend of his career.

Like, I mean, I don't know what, like we're not going to be able to say he sucks at road courses anymore, I don't think. But, yeah, we'll get into that. What's up, Casey? Hey, hey, Casey Boat here. And we have a very special guest today. The vice president of NASCAR meteorology, the president of NASCAR lights, and probably the coolest guy in the room today. I got to tell you guys, though, he.

He sent out a viral video about how he's smarter than everybody in this room. And he called me 20 minutes ago. He couldn't find the studio. Mr. Bob Pockras. Well, maybe I said directions weren't my thing. All right. You know, hey, it's great to be here. Welcome back.

How many appearances is this for you? I think this is my second. Second. I thought it was your third. Because the first one was Pockrass. Yep, Pockrass. Then you came last year. I don't think he came last year.

You did come last year for sure. He's looking at you like you're crazy. I think you're crazy because I don't remember doing a show with him last year. No, I don't remember. This is my first with Freddie. Yeah. It's kind of why I made me talk. Dang, it's been a while then.

Wow. Wow, that's been a while. Do you know how long Bob Pocker's has been covering NASCAR, Freddie? How long? Since 1991. I was nine years old. Bob, how old are you? I'm 54.

Wow. You're a good looking 54. Brett, you're 53. You've been better to your body than I've had to mind. You're running five Ks these days. 10Ks? Half marathons? What are we up to?

I did a half. You're not? Earlier this year, but that was tough. Andrew wants you to join him on his Iron Man. No, I can't swim at all. I can't swim at all. We got a play. You can't swim at all.

Well, I can swim, but it'd be really, really, really, really slow. Like, are you doggy paddling or are you actually swimming? All I know is, like, I did a laugh once at, like, the IU Natatorium. We had, like, a Boy Scout event, like, back when I was 18. 16, 17, 17, 18. And, like, I did a lap in, like, 50 seconds when most people were doing them in, like, 30. Wow. That's a solid effort, though.

You can swim, you're just slow. Yes. Yeah. You could get those flippers. They let you wear the flippers in those swimming parts. You can wear full swimming. Oh, I know, is I'd be eaten by the shark. Bob has good long run speed, basically.

But Bob really doesn't need an introduction. We always say on here how he's the hardest working guy in NASCAR. He's the first one to the media center a lot of day. So obviously you're with Fox now. I don't think Bob Pockeros has ever put out something that's not a fact. Is that true? I mean, I put out some opinions. Yeah.

Well, there's still facts if they're yours. Well, that's true. That's true. And I do my best. The good news is sometimes the facts change, though, pretty quickly in this sport. I think that's the biggest challenge. The good news is we're not going to get our normal Tuesday text from Bob correcting us on whatever dumb stuff we said on the show this week because he's going to be.

That's why I brought the fact he's never wrong because he's always telling us how dumb we are. He's like, you guys screwed this up. And Casey, by the way, there is no video footage in the Xfinity or Truck Series garage. We know that because of Bob. So if you want to be added to the text thread. Well, for the record, there was a inquiry about a sponsorship for it. So I'm just saying they thought there was going to be. But Andrew, I think this needs to be added to bloopers because I'd love to see these texts every week of like how you're an idiot after they see something wrong.

Yeah, we're never going to share those. I don't send too many. It's only once a week. It's only one text a week with a lot of points to it. If TJ had an opinion, he could be added to it. Yeah, but he's not. So we don't go worry about that. I agree with Bob.

Bob speaks for both of us. What about Bob? Bob speaks for both of us. So, Bob, we, man, we did a deal on Saturday night at the racetrack, 6 o'clock with a lot of fans. Um, where, where do you think the role will fit right now in the whole culture of NASCAR? Because it was like it was really cool and really new and really exciting now. There's one of two road courses, which I know we'll get to. But like, where do you see the roval fitting in, the overall experience of the race fan right now in the schedule?

I don't think it fits in. And that might, and that's not to say it's a bad thing, right? The, the dirt race at Bristol didn't fit into anything, but it fit because it was unique. and I think the roval still is a little bit unique in some ways because of the nature of the track because the fan if you sit in the grandstands you can see the whole track for the most part which is different than other road courses but you know I still especially with the next gen car it's been a challenge and it's uh you know I wouldn't say I was surprised that it stayed on the 2024 schedule, but, you know, I don't know that many would have shed a tear if it wasn't.

So Jeff Klux poll, which has become famous, was the Roeville of Good Race. It was 6040 when I got out of the shower this morning. Did you vote yes or no? I haven't voted yet, but if I vote, it'll be yes. Because it was an intriguing race, and I thought it was because of the elimination factor. If you didn't have the elimination factor, I don't know how good a race it was. but it was a good race in the sense you had all this stuff that you could watch and see, you know, what was going to happen and how it was going to impact everything. TJ, you voting yes or no? I'm voting now.

It's just not the tracks fault either. It's still that these cars are entirely too easy to drive on these things. And like we don't, we have very few, very few single car incidents where when you used to go to these road courses, that was there was always multiples, like tons. now they get in trouble. There's just no, they just don't get in trouble much at all. The cars are just stuck a lot. And I know they slide and they miss a jacaine every now and then, but nothing like what we've seen in the past and nothing like what we,

like we go to, we go to Walkins Glen, and arguably it's a single file race and nobody really moves anywhere. That's because they're not, to me, the cars just have too much grip still. And they're just too easy to drive on the road courses. We need the finesse factor back. where, you know, just from what I see. Yeah, I mean, yesterday's race. What are you about?

Yesterday, I would probably say no. Just for the fact of, you know, it was, these guys, the longer you let them run on a racetrack, they're going to find a way to go faster. They're going to find, you know, ways to kind of, I don't want to say cut the course, but you're going to find ways to make speed. And when we're all going the same speed,

we can't pass each other. We've seen that at every race track. We go to ovals, whatever, short tracks now. And, you know, obviously there was a factor of the cutoff line adding intrigue to it. But, you know, if it was up to me, I would have much, I would have rather had that race on the oval yesterday and just seeing what played out. But you've seen a guy like, it's tough. You bring them stage cautions back and it's tough because I think, like Tyler Redick was clearly the best car, but he had to chase stage points. all the way and he and he has to forfeit his chance to win a race because he's chasing stage points.

So I don't know, it's, it's an interesting deal. And it's, it doesn't bother me. It's not, it's not a terrible race by any means, but it's, I would have much rather had that race on the old race. It's not the track's fault. No. The track's great. I mean, the track, what they've done with that track and how they created it and the, you know,

like putting the chicanes in, um, doing things like that. Even the restart zone was, was kind of crazy. It was kind of cool. But, um, I think it's not the track. fault at all. They do a really good job. That track looks really good. So what made the last third of the last stage so crazy? The last 20 laps are nuts.

Well, it's just people just trying to get everything they can. Intensity picks up as usual, just like the end of an race. Guys wrecking mid-packed that didn't need to be. Suarez hooked the two into us. Then Bell dumps Suarez. Eric Jones had more

stop and go penalties yesterday. The whole first half of the race, all I heard was, all right, 43 has served his stop and 43 has served another time ago. Yeah, I guess he kept blowing the backstretch, which I don't know if we talk about it. We probably do. So I'll wait for that.

But like it was it was just, I think it's just mid-packed guys making mistakes. Like it wasn't, you didn't see the racing for the lead get crazy. Like, you know, I feel like every year we have somebody like we saw on Saturday, we have somebody blow turn one and wipe out half the field or just drive himself into the fence. Was that because the restart zone that we didn't see it? I don't know. I mean, we were still racing into turn one. You can still overdrive the corner.

Yeah, you can still bomb it. It's easier to overdrive the corner. It's easier to drive when you start on the big track because you're not coming out of a corner. Were they making mistakes because their brakes were getting hot? Were they making mistakes because they're fatigued? I think that, like I was watching, the Suarez Ela took us out was, I mean, I think they were just pushing hard. They were three wide behind Austin Cendrick and they just all fighting for the same corner. And somehow Suarez just turned and hit Austin in the right rear and took hook.

him into us. I don't know if he just turned to the corner too soon or what he did. Then I've seen Bell was kind of up his ass off of eight and just decided to get rid of him, I guess. I don't know. It didn't really hurt my feelings. I will say though that's a corner where they try to, you try to pinch the guy down because you can get him to slow down just a little bit more. And to Bell's credit, like if Bell, if Bell checks up there off of eight, if he checks up there to give Daniel a break, that now that not only slows him down for turn eight, that slows him down all the way back around to the bus stop chican on the backstretch. So you can't really give a lot there. I mean, obviously you don't probably want to wreck a guy, but at the same time,

you can't really just check up and stop and lose all your momentum because you're probably going to get eaten alive once you get up on the Oval. Now, Bob, back to your comment around it, not necessarily fitting within the schedule, but isn't really supposed to fit just like the dirt track. Do you think that maybe this race should have been not a cutoff race during the playoffs, but still you know, still be entertaining, but not necessarily make a break for drivers. Well, I mean, I think it makes the fact that it is a cutoff race is what makes it intriguing. So if it's not a cutoff race, I don't know how exciting it is and how, I guess it would be, the one interesting piece would be how would these drivers in the playoffs play it?

You know, would they all then end up trying to get stage points instead of the ones who are already like feeling like they have to win, flip in the stages? Take the stage breaks out again. It's not. it's worse, big time. The only way that thing got interesting was because the leader's cycle back into the pack. And I think there's still a way that,

I hate the stage breaks at road courses. I think there's a way to do, if you move the brakes around a little bit, there's a way to make that decision a little bit harder for the teams of whether you're not, you can chase points or chase the win. But Bob, where do you sit on, obviously next year we're going to have two

drafting tracks, quote unquote, and two road courts. in the playoffs. Where does that sit with you? I like Watkins Glenn in the playoffs as a track. I'm still wondering whether fans who normally camp in August will be able to camp in September because their kids are in school. It's not necessarily the same vacation time. So I'm curious what it's going to do to the fan

experience. But as far as competition-wise, I'm definitely better with two road courses than I am to drafting super speedways. So 40% of the playoffs. are essentially what we call wild card races. Yeah, and it's, I probably prefer 30%. And I was talking. I think the bigger question, and you get different opinions, is how long is Atlanta going to be, A, you know, this in the playoffs,

but B, also, is it going to change as it gets more worn? Yeah. So the biggest thing I've talked to drivers about over the past week is road racing over the last year became more important. next year, it is the most important it's ever been in our sports history. You've got several in the regular season and now two in the playoffs. It's almost like if you aren't good at a road course, you may not get out of that first or second round. I mean, it's a big time wild card, right?

When you look at guys that are phenomenal road racers, they're probably looking at this thing at grinning. Yeah, Reddick, you know, like Chase Elliott. These guys are, and there's guys that are, listen, you know, Bubba was one of them. I don't think he is anymore. Bubba's put on a lot of time in. He's put a lot. Reddick has helped a lot with stepping our game up over there. But, you know,

there's guys out there that you look, they run into 30s still. They're, you know, 10-year veterans that run in the 30s of these road course races. And now you're, you put two of them in the playoffs

and you're like, okay, well, I guess we're just going to be done now. Like that's the end of our season. Let's go back to, you know, this playoffs,

because I will talk about the season a little bit later. Right now, as of yesterday, Chastain, Wallace, Kislauski, and Bush all eliminated. Are these surprises to you? Obviously, Freddie, you're... Yeah, I mean, I was hoping we could make the round of eight.

And if we did a better job last week, we might have been in a position to help ourselves this week. But, yeah, I don't think any real surprise. I mean, I thought Brad was going to be more consistent and probably get to the round of eight, but they didn't have a good day yesterday. Kyle Bush didn't surprise me. I think I might have picked them to be out this round.

They just haven't been hitting on it. They had a bad round. Ross, same thing. The trackhouse cars haven't really had the speed of late, like the second half of the year, really. So no real surprises there, but I don't know about you guys. I got to say Chastain and Wallace are disappointing not to go any further in the playoff. We know how fast those Toyotas are. And Wallace is obviously having one of his best seasons, if not his best season ever.

Ross was a final four guy last year. So to see the car as fast as Bubba not go any further and the driver as capable as Ross is disappointing. But you look at Keselowski and Bush champions. And I have to say they're eliminated, but they honestly did a lot better this year that I thought they would do, given Kyle first year at RCR three wins.

That's a big deal. Keselowski last year, I mean, we talked about their struggles. Here he is in the round of 12. The biggest thing he's missing from his resume this year is a win. And there's a couple times he's had a chance, But I still say the two guys that I'm disappointed in, Chastain Wallace, the two guys I think had better seasons that I thought they would, Kozlowski and Bush.

I'd be more disappointed in Keslowski and Bush because they felt like they really took themselves out. Kislauski. I know he said, you know, that you, I thought the push of Hosevar was probably a little bit aggressive. What? Don't hit Bob, T.J. Jesus, Bob.

Am I supposed to hide now? Bob, you're supposed to use facts here. How come he told him to push? host of our in that moment. Keep shoving. I have this, I have this app on my phone where I can move, you know, throttle it up when I need to and I'm like, nope, we're going.

Yeah, no, I agree though. We kind of, we dug a hole for ourselves a little bit in Talladega. If we finish Talladega, even just finished the race, we're probably or on the verge of being in. Honestly, the way Truex ran yesterday, I feel like we make it because we, he didn't run very well.

And if we had, we had some different a point scenario going into that, we probably run right around maybe 8th to 15th most of the race, which would have got us in compared to where Truex ran. Truex last three races, 17th, 18th, 20th finishing. Don't even go three. Go last six. Yeah, let's go five or six.

His entire playoff. 36, 19, 17, 18, 20. His best finish is 17th in the last six races. And he's won restart away in Texas being out. Because if we could have executed that restart and won that race, that puts Martin out. Yeah. you know so we can now

finally put an end to the regular season champion needs to have a buy he's getting a buy he's getting he's got two buys now he's got two buys yes and if they don't step up he's probably you know

this is the round bye bye I mean obviously so yeah this is not going to be around where I don't think he can he can't run 17th 18th and get through this round

and it's not it's been kind of he's had a couple things happened, a couple things about, you know, a little bit of bad luck, um, tire at Kansas. I think there was one of the race where something happened, but Darlington, you know, he, he hits the wall and they don't really fix the car. That's, yeah. So, I felt like, but that's still self-inflicted, though. Absolutely.

So that's not, you know, the, the, the, the, the, the, the thing to me is more luck. The, the thing at Darlington could have been, hey, we hit the wall, we should probably check it. That could have been, you know, that's, you don't know, but obviously, he's good up on it. I feel like he could have, and that team's good enough. I feel like they could have ran that race and picked, like Harvick. Harvick doesn't qualify well. There but he gets two, three cars every run. There he is at the other race in the top five. He hit the wall yesterday, and he almost took himself out of yesterday. I saw it. Yeah. Could get up onto the big track and won. Yeah. But you look at what's coming, Las Vegas, Homestead, Martinsville. Those fit

Martin Truex pretty damn well. Yeah. They call it Martinsville for a reason. The guy's really good there. Uh, he is, he is underrated. His ability to run the wall at Homestead, he is very underrated there because, you know, you always, everybody talks about Larson and Redick and them guys, but like Martin is one of the best at getting up there and running the wall at Homestead. And then the Vegas, we, we've, the Toyota's always have speed a mile to half. So it should, hopefully for them, it should lay out for a better round for him, but they need to, they need to find a gear if they want to contend for the championship. Who are they going to beat right now when you look at it? I mean, Larson,

I mean, he let, he's pretty much. pencil him in at homestead most likely he won martinsville biren won um Vegas earlier this year you have hamlin who's going to be good every week and you know and reddick you know right now is this round lays out really well for tyler reddick as well Tyler reddick is i still think byron's the guy to be i think he's the most consistent guy at all the tracks we go to and like the denny

Denny and the other guys there, they're really fast, but then they just have that, they peaks in valleys a little too much. Why he talks about Denny? Tell me this. How many guys make the final four on points? Four.

No. I'd say two. Yeah. That's probably about accurate. I say one. You think we have three winners? I think we have three winners. So who are there?

But I'll say this. I mean, last year I didn't foresee three winners in the first round that weren't in the playoff. I didn't necessarily, even though I picked AJ Almondinger to win yesterday, it's hard to win these dang playoff races. And it just shows you yesterday how good AJ Almondinger race. It is. But I think yesterday shows us how good A.J. Amadinger is,

but it also played into what you guys said earlier is he did not have to worry about stage points at all. Yeah, it went for the win. You see the guys that were up there contending were sold out on trying to win the race. AJ, Ty Gibbs, Kyle Bush. The guys up there at the end of the race were just 100% selling out. Ryan Blaney and Christopher Bell have better race for a win because they ain't going to make it on points, I don't think,

unless they just dominate the first race. Stage one, stage two, pile in. It's going to take a win to get in if you're way back in points. I'm glad Freddie finally. It's only 10 back then. I'm glad you finally saw the light where, you know, like, Freddie saw a light. Two weeks.

It might not have a lot. I still don't see it. I think we, I think we were to have been better off yesterday not racing for stage points. That's what I'm saying. You said you race to win. Yeah. Well, why didn't you race to win, Freddie? That's, that was a, we made, they made a decision to raise for stage point.

Hold on a second. Wasn't he the one telling me I had to chase stage points two weeks ago? I still think you chase the stage points, but I sit in here and listen to you saying, you race to win. The guy up here says we race to win. We race to win at Texas. We raised to win. I don't know that we had a car to win yesterday, but let me tell you something.

I think you could have won. We could have won the race yesterday. I think you got out front. Because we outran AJ the first half of the race. And if we, you know, obviously hindsight is 2020. But, you know, if we raced, if we just flipped the stages and got out front, Bubba could have easily won that race yesterday. You were, you were.

I think you were, yeah, there's no reason. Like, I think if you would have got out front, I think AJ would have given them, I think AJ would have get him a couple fits on resarts and stuff. But if you could have got clear and out front, man, it was going to be hard to pass. Bob, who are your champ for picks now? Who are my champ for? Hamlin, Larson, Byron, and, you know, I had Truex at the start of the playoffs. Starting a waiver?

Yeah, I'd go with Reddick right now. Well, before we head into Spot On, Spot Off, I do want to give a shout out to everyone who came out to the appearance at the Charlotte Mender Speedway on Saturday. It was such a cool crowd. my wooden idiot is whoever gave Freddie a baby to hold. You held a baby? I did. He did. The guy he said, can you hold my baby?

And I said, yeah, sure, I guess. The baby was like the rapper to baby or a real baby? No, actual baby. And then the baby was not about it. Like the baby was screaming. It looked like TJ. He was screaming and crying. And then as I'm holding, he says, well, you signed my baby.

And that was where I drew the line. Like we got to. Someone wanted you. You didn't sign the baby? I was not signing the baby. That was where I had to draw the line somewhere and that's where the line got drawn. What if they just would have walked off?

Here, hold my baby, Freddy. They just take off. Give it to the wrong person. Well, thank you to everyone. Thank you for Charlotte Mender Speedway for having us out. I am so excited to do it again soon. Real soon. This week.

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First topic, NASCAR announces the 2024 schedule. Among the changes include adding a second road course in the playoffs, a first-time trip to Iowa, and Darlington as the regular season cutoff. Bob, spot on, spot off. Spot off. If you're going to go to Iowa, I think you need to go there and say, hey, we're going to go there for three years or four years and not leave it like, well, is it just a holder place for Montreal or not? You know, they're like, well, it's great, fans have been clamoring for it. This is the right time. Well, I mean, NASCAR's owned it for 10 years. So why wasn't 10 years ago the right time? They bought it to

save it or nine years ago or eight years ago. So I've never been there. So I was, I was highly recommend. So I'm looking forward to going. I would just hate that if I would just hate for to go there once and then say, okay, well, now we got Montreal or somewhere in Mexico, got their national race and they're going to leave it. If if they were going to, if it's just a one year plan, I would have said, hey, just go to homestead for a second race or go to, instead of maybe lifting people's hopes up. As far as the playoffs, I just think making Daytona the next to last race of the regular season

just takes away a lot of the drama that made that race special. You had a fix for that. I did. I want you to share it. Did you like that crazy fix? I love it. I said, why not just have the regular season be 25 races and the regular season at Daytona and have the first round before races?

And then maybe your two wildcard races in that round. don't make as big a difference. And because, listen, the only reason these races got moved around is because of the calendar. You know, I mean, the schedule itself, they didn't want to do a midweek race or a doubleheader. So then the way the calendar lays out, and this is only going to happen once every four years, is because of the Olympic double break there. Are you saying NBC is going to sign back up? Yeah, I guess so.

I'm going to assume so. Bob, what are you hearing on that? I have no clue. You're lying. Bob can't talk about that's a rival company. Not a fact. But, yeah, I mean, there's a lot to like about the schedule. There's a lot to not like about the schedule.

My biggest thing, obviously we're going back to Chicago. There was some talk about that. And I think Chicago deserves the chance to have the weekend they planned on. Obviously, last year or this year, that got kind of derailed by weather and stuff. So I know people out there worked hard and they deserve to have another race. I don't like the way to playoff's layout. I think that, you know, I know they say they want to challenge drivers, but you're not challenging drivers at two plate tracks.

You're testing their luck, if anything. So I don't love the way to playoffs lay out, but there's, you know, there's ups and down to this whole schedule. I do. I love Iowa. I agree with you. I want to hear you guys' opinion on this, though. Do we look dumb for not continuing to race on dirt?

Do we let Marcus Smith and SMI go out there and have this experiment at one of our best racetracks and then completely abandoning the dirt idea and not actually taking it to a real dirt track. What does that say about the whole dirt track thing? I mean, the question is, do you look dumb when you have windshields at a dirt track? Do you look dumb when you don't have dirt track like model type suspension in your vehicle

so that you can race it like dirt track fans are used to seeing them race? I think that's, to me, the biggest hurdle. I think if you're going to go to a dirt track, build a dirt car. Yes. And that may be way too expensive and way too big of a, I wouldn't be too big of a challenge. I mean, these teams could do it. But it just, I know some people kind of enjoy watching the struggle of those cars on dirt.

But I would love to be able to see them just slide and do what you can see. I get so tired of hearing our industry say too expensive. And I don't mean that toward you. I just, what is too expensive to Rick Hendrick? Well, how much money is he worth? How many billions? Enough. I mean, I get tired of us saying to, what are we catering to the guy that can't afford to be here so much?

Why is, why are these owners raised their hang on? We're spending too much money. Wasn't the goal of the car and just the changes that they've made, the goal eventually to make it more, like, for all teams, right? How's that working out? The underdog team. If you listen to action gentleman last week, you got a lesson on that, not working. out very well.

Yeah. So I struggle with removing dirt altogether. I love, obviously, the Daytona 500. I love that weekend. How do you feel about the clash staying in L.A.? I hate Atlanta because it's going to be so damn cold. I mean, I've been down there and sat beside Rick, Rick Corelli, literally dressed like an Eskimo.

I've been in the infield at 1997, and I'm telling you, man, it was freezing. It was below freezing. You have a chance of snow. Well, it's snow to California, too. Yeah, yeah. That's where I struggle with, like, the Bristol and Atlanta being so early. But hands down, the only thing that I despise about this schedule is the fact that Phoenix is still the championship race. It needs and has to move around.

The NBA moves an All-Star game around for a reason. The NFL moves a Super Bowl around for a reason. Like, we've got to give our fans some diversity. We've got to give the drivers some diversity. And I hope when they look at 2025 that we do get to Canada because I'm a big supporter of our. friends to the north. I've been to Mexico City. I don't care to ever go back there to another race, but I hope we get to Montreal, and I just hope we move this freaking championship off Phoenix. You know, I... How do I feel about the class? Freddy has run its course. I would love to see

that move around, too. We've proven we can run it literally anywhere. So why don't you go build it in downtown Miami, where the dolphins play? Why don't you go somewhere and people say, oh, that's close to homestead. The same crowd that goes to homestead does not live in Miami, Florida. No chance. No. You know, my, the talk about Phoenix, you know, ideally I would, if you want to leave Phoenix in the championship talk, make, make the final round, the final round three races. You know, let the three races you have in the last three races of the year. Just make that a championship round. Cut it to four by then and let them four guys race it out because then Phoenix, by, I'm fine with it.

If you leave, if you leave the schedule as is, but make those rounds, now you've got Homestead-Martinsville, Phoenix as your last. three races with four guys competing for the championship. Obviously, Phoenix matters, but it doesn't, it's not the end-all, be-all. And you could go in there and have a good race for the championship, but that's obviously never going to happen because they want the idea of the final four at the last place. And we see it every year. The thing I hate about Phoenix being the championship races, it just comes down to whoever wins the race off pit road on the final pit stop. That's all that, like a homestead. If your car is good, you know, we've seen it in years past. Homesteadette's good. You can go up there in race and potentially beat the guy.

You know, Martinsville, you can move the guy out of the way if you need to. Like Phoenix, it's just whoever wins the race off hit road is your champion. And I don't think that should be decided that way. But even if it's Homestead as your championship race, it shouldn't be there every year. No, no. Because you're going to have somebody with an advantage. Right. You don't want somebody to have an advantage if somebody's great at Phoenix to always be able to, you know, have an advantage.

Or if somebody's off at Phoenix to be at disadvantage, you want it to. to move around so that it rewards drivers who have different capabilities. That's just, that's another reason why I think it needs to be more than a single race to decide your champion. Like, you could be, if you go to that round and you have Danny Hamill, who's obviously phenomenal, marvelous, terrific, whatever you want to say, at Martinsville. Then you've got Kyle Arson, who's unbelievable at Homestead. And then neither one of them are really unbelievable, but they run really well at Phoenix.

It just levels the playing field, I think. How many tracks are on this schedule, Bob, that are not champion? ship worthy. Let's look. Let's look. But if you literally said, if you said, we're going to have a lottery. I wouldn't have your championship at Daytona, Tadaladaygo, or Atlanta. But if you're going to have, if we were going to have a lottery right now and we were

going to have balls in a little balls and a big ball and we're going to spin it around and then we're going to pull the little ball out of the big ball. Like what little ball doesn't deserve to be? What characterizes, what characters is a championship track have for you? For me, racey. I think right now, I think if we're, obviously we're not going to, just saying right now, not changing the package, nothing, the championship race needs to be at a mile and a half track. I don't care which one, just at a mile and a half track, because that's what's producing our best racing right now. If you have the fastest car should win the race, in my opinion. Like that's maybe that's a purest envy, whatever. But if you have the fastest car, you should always have the ability to win a race. If you come out of the pits fourth at Phoenix with the fastest car, guess where you're going to finish? fourth. You better get a really good restart. Yeah. You know, that's the thing that drives me

crazy about that race. You better heard Ross-Cestines run a third. But, you know, it's... And it should be a track that you don't go to at all during the year, too. Isn't that what made Homestead so good at times? Absolutely. So who, what track is that? Looking at the, looking at the

product from this year. There's nothing that Homestead should be the place. You know, but at the same point, yeah, but at the same time, you're giving an advantage to guys like Larson and Redick who can can just get on the wall and run the wall better than anybody else. Some guys are going to, I mean, no matter what track you go to, somebody's going to have advantage because everyone's got different driving traits and

characteristics and they're all, you know. But I feel like if you run, I mean, if you go to Kansas, Kansas is a place where the car, you know, it's a combination of car and driver. There's nobody. I can tell you right now, your cars are going to be stupid fast they can. But I'm just saying, but that's the car. That's the car we got right now. And that's going to, we've seen it year and year out.

That comes and goes. Somebody has a manufacturer has a slight advantage. somewhere. But that's a place where I think that there's nobody that has a distinct advantage and you're racing for the championship, not just. I feel like there's two or three guys that are pretty decent at Kansas that. Oh, there's a lot of guys. Danny's probably one of them. Yeah, for sure. That's probably one of his better. But I'm just saying there's nowhere you go and oh, Danny, like you go to Homestead, you're going to say Larson's going to kick our ass here because like Larson can just run the wall better than anybody else. Reddick's obviously very good.

But I also think that if Redick's in it, you know, I want to see that battle. Yeah, for sure. You know what I mean? We can be the scheduled. Bob, I got one question because you're the most omniscient person in the room. What's the latest on Fontana? What's going on with that place? Well, they haven't started knocking down any parts of the track yet. They have started building around the track from the lane that they've sold,

but they still haven't started construction on this half-mile track that they're supposedly going to build. I think the only thing I think is that, hey, if they weren't going to build it, they would have sold that land too already. You know, they kept that 90 acres. I think they have a plan for it. They just want to be a little bit more economical than what they're projecting their costs right now. Well, construction costs are expensive right now.

I like the current track. Does that matter? So nobody. That would be a great place to have a championship race. Oh, it would be phenomenal. But nothing has been touched? Well, not yet. Not yet.

I mean, the whole track still exists, but I think within the next month or two, part of that backstretch is going. Wow. It's one of the best parts of the track. Because they all complain about it. Experience the thrill of the racetrack like you're in the driver's seat with Draft King's Sportsbook.

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And I know, Andrew, you have an audio clip. You want to play that first? Yeah, I'm... You'll start talking and I'll... All right, TJ, spot on, spot off. I need to hear the audio clip. I'll react to that. I'll spot on it because it kind of...

There was still some, you know, a guy could get a little loose out of the corner still and they could get, make some runs and stuff, but it was way more tame in the turn one. You didn't have the dive bomb moves and the three wides that weren't just going to work, and it wasn't everybody running over each other as bad. Yeah, I thought that,

I, you know, it did what it was supposed to do. That's what they wanted. We've seen the same thing in Indianapolis. We've seen the same, you know, multiple tracks. They moved the restart zone. You know, and it was, it was not, I was concerned about being midpack, you know, in that deal, in which we were. We ended up 25th or so when we came out after flipping stages.

And I was, you know, I could, I was more concerned about guys getting in the midpack, they're getting tight or throttling up and wrecking off of the corner and being hit in the fence. And we didn't see any of that. guys did they race with respect there was some close moments but it was all right the last restart there uh i don't know it was the last restart but when when kyle was on the front row with a j i was like well this is going to get big and he he went for it but he got loose you know he throttled up and was spinning tires and start finishing on he got loose and and a j drove away but yeah this bullet point snuck up on andrew but he's ready now okay yeah i'm ready here's blaney after the race

it was tricky i kind of restarted you know way in the back i restarted in the top 10 i restarted middle of the pack it was all right it's kind of it's hard to see like you know when everyone's bunched up it's hard to see like the curbs and he was right right behind somebody you can't see it you'll jump it

or they jump it because they can't see the guy in front of them so you can get jumbled up quick but I think it's calmed everything down a little bit you didn't see that just absolute calamity into one like normal better you'd say

I think it's better I um I'll share my opinion before Bob goes, I felt like it gave the guys in the very front a huge advantage because they're just throttling up and leaving. Other people have to drive into the corner, break, make two corners, and then get back to the gas. So if it were up to me, I would throw the green in turn three. Bob. God, can I agree with Brett? Yeah. That would just be, no.

There goes all that. There goes all that talk about being smart. But yeah, it was really weird to see. And grant, at Chicago, there were. drivers who were taking the green before they made that right-hander to go in that little, I don't know what you would call it, that little stretch before the main stretch, right? So, yeah, I thought it was weird and I liked it better than what was before, but I do think they probably might need to take a look at it and see if there's maybe a more equitable way, do you realize uh i guess the question then is where do you put the choose and then does that um and then does that put you in jeopardy of having another lap under caution because you can't get

everything set for them to be able to choose and come to the restart i don't i don't think you could throw the green before that chican that's the same thing as yeah it was it would have been a disaster like yeah yeah i don't think you want i think it was fine yesterday like if you're you you throw the green and turn three and make us race into that chicane? It's going to be a show. I mean, does Brett realize that we're the back of the back of the back. Brett don't realize.

He was drunk. Listen, where the back half of the field is in Martin zone, Bristol when they get the green. They all got to sew down still. I was 100% sober yesterday watching that race. Okay. Can't say the same about that before.

It was actually so. 25th has to slow down in Martin's zone. You ain't never complained about that. When we did that deal with Chicago, I laughed my ass off because I had a spotter over there by the restart zone to call the green. Yeah. And then we had that, spotter in turn 12 or whatever was on Symphony Hall.

Yeah, symphony deal. So the guy would call the green and then we would have to go back to the spotter in turn 12 to call because we were in the back of the back. All I have to say is Bob agree with me. So fuck y'all. Whatever. But he said he liked this better than the other way. So he's really saying F you, Brad.

I didn't say I like this way better or worse than the other way. But to that point. Let us race into that chicane. I just said I don't like the front four having that big of an advantage. Well, if you want the advantage, be in the front floor. Yeah, get in the front four. I was at home. I'm good. But to that point where it obviously was a disadvantage for the guys further back and strategy,

especially Pitt strategy, came into play here for you, Freddie and T.J. I guess, you know, how was your strategy different knowing that you had to start further back compared to when you were towards a front? Our strategy flip-flopped like three different times that race, depending on what car you're dealt there. Things happen on the track and you're forcing, we were kind of forced into a strategy at one point and then we actually it kind of worked in our favor because we got up there in the top 10 and I think I don't know I didn't follow the points all day we were just trying to get everything we could and at one point I like just I think we were still when Truex was in 18th 19th or whatever and we were in the top 10 I think it was really close was it was close it was

it was yeah I think we were actually above him for a little bit when we were up in the top 10 and he was like 20th or something we were we were in but I don't know. I mean, sometimes you're just forced into a strategy. Like Freddie's race was kind of laid out for him, get stage points, both stages, and fight through the pack at the end. And, you know, we were kind of on the other side of it where we kind of flip-flopped a little bit and had a couple things happen in our race that forced us into pitting and staying out at times. But, you know, that's what happens when you have the stages and stuff. But interesting for sure.

All right, moving on, spot on, spot off. Jeb Burton crashes into Justin Allgaier in a late race restart, taking both drivers out. Freddie. Wrecked the dog. He rocked the dog food out of. Yeah, I mean, you knew that we saw, I saw him stay out and I was like, I know what they're doing, but this is not going to work.

You know, it's like, it's like this is, it wasn't, if it was a green, White Checker, you maybe take that chance, but I think there was still, what, 10 to go, something like that? You know, it's, that's, it's not going to work. Justin, I don't know if somebody from NASCAR called Justin and told him that the recaution was coming, but he pit. Yeah, I know. I said to Bruce on Channel 2, I said, I saw my crew chief. I said, what, what's he doing? Like, is he have a problem? Like, what's he doing? I said, I don't know why. I mean, I guess you're going to forfeit third hoping to get a caution. And sure enough, as soon as he least Pitt wrote, put it out. We got a fucking sign on a front. We got to throw the yellow for now, apparently. How long have that sign been there? I don't think it was very long. I don't know how long it was there, but nobody, it was, nobody ever talked about it.

It wasn't like the flag man on our channel anyway, came over and said, hey, we got debris on the front stretch. It was just, oh, put it out. And I look down there, I'm like, that's what the yellow's for? Like, I don't, like, there's, there's, there's some drivers complaining is why I ask. Yeah, well, I mean, it didn't need to be a caution, I don't think. I would have kept going. Yeah.

And it, and it jumbled the end of the end of the, race up obviously it almost cost Sam Mayer did a phenomenal job a marvelous whatever terrific job you want to say he had to race his way in and he was the best car all day so it was good to see him win and this but this caution almost cost him a chance of the win if they don't wreck if those two don't wreck and Justin gets out front

because Sam was going to restart fifth or sixth on that restart and Justin gets away it might be hard for Sam to run him down but yeah going into turn one you can see the funny part is we stand right over turn one obviously I don't you're over there too and you like you see you start see him driving in there, you're like, oh, he's never going to make it. Here we go. Just start calling a wreck before it ever happens.

Justin got too good at the start. Did this surprise anybody? No, no. One guy walked by me, I won't say his name, but Lamerert, walked by me. And I'm like, where are you going? He's like, tell her him, good luck. Like, okay. I mean, I'm not going to.

Go ahead. You know, talking to Jeb afterward. And he never restarted out front before, right? So I guess the question is, do you put him in that position, knowing that he'd never been in that role in that spot and expect him not to overshoot the corner? And when in a position where he has to be, yes, he's a win in a win in a must win situation, right? Too many laps left. He was, I mean, I understand him why he missed, why he missed it. I mean, because he has no experience in doing it.

But that was, to me, that restart was closer. to other restarts, imagine if we were starting on the big track. That would have been even harder to do. But the adjustment he had to make from restarting that last chicane, you know, it probably wasn't that much different than... The one thing I will say is, as hard as Jeb drove it in a turn one to blow the corner, Justin was still next to him. Yeah.

Like, Justin was going in there just as hard. Yeah, he was. Because, I mean, they door to each other door to door. It wasn't like, you know, Justin backed his entry up at all. So I'm not even sure Justin would have made the corner at that point. I don't think Justin can give up the front row on that restart. No. But I also don't think you need to beat him through turn one.

You don't have to beat him through turn one. And I think Justin got too good of a restart up there next to him. As soon as Jeb saw him, he's like, oh, I need to get in here. My struggle with this is very simple. When you watch a football game, a lot of people compare this to a Hell Mary. Do you have a chance to win a football game when you throw a Hell Mary? Yeah, but you're not going to throw. There was no chance Jeff Burton was going to win this race.

You don't throw a Hell Mary in the third quarter. There was too many laps left. Chepburn was not going to win the race with this move, and he obviously didn't. Well, you can't win the race if you take yourself out. That's a fact. That point is not a hell merry. You have to get through that corner.

It's Kamikaze. That's the hell Mary that you spike the ball. This is the part that worries me about Justin, though, in the playoffs. All he's going to do is get through that corner and let Jeb overdrive or not even just have an average corner. And if he doesn't force the issue there on the front stretch on the restart anyway, Jeb's probably not overdoing it and just getting in there. and then Justin's going to pass him within a lap, you know? So he was already given a gift with the caution.

So take advantage of it. No. Freddie, this next one is for use. Baud on, spot off. Bubba Wallace serves his stop and go on the front chican after the backstretched angle saying, we're the only series that does that ass backwards. So listen, and we talk about this all the time,

I don't, the one, the major part of our job is knowing the rules. and I did not know that if you get wrecked through the chican, you still have to serve a stop and go. I've never heard that. Like I thought like when you get, I know if you blow it or if you jump the curb or cut the corner, you obviously have to stop. We got wrecked, spun through there, did a 360 and then continued on lost,

I don't know, 10 spots at least. And then while we're going through three and four in the oval, they're like, oh, 23 still got a serve penalty. So then I told him to stop and go on the front stretch. But like, I get it. Like, we, we lost track position. We got spun through there. It was nothing of our doing.

I don't know. I don't think that that warrants a penalty. Like, I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong. I didn't know that was a rule. That's my fault. And I should know the rules. But I did not know that if you get wrecked through a chican, you also have to do a stop and go.

I would, yeah, I was under the assumption that if you miss it at all, you got to stop. Like, if you miss it, like with our deal, when I saw Brad go through that in the front, we were kind of on, when I saw them, because I was looking a hell of a bit. I saw him going over the, like, we didn't, we were, like, partially on the curb, partially not, we didn't hit that sign. I thought, you know what I mean? Remember where that sign was sitting for the restart deal? And I wasn't sure if he missed it.

And they started reviewing it. And in the review, I guess they, because I wasn't, I wasn't 100% sure. So they were checking it in the new review process. They, did you hear them tell us to come around and stop on the front again? Yeah. So we're doing that. And in the middle of that, they say, oh, we got to come down to a drive-thru at that point. So we got penalized twice.

Well, I heard them say drive-through penalty. Then you stopped on the front. And then they- No, they said actually tell the six to come around and stop on the front. And then in the process of that, they said, nope, six has to do a drive-through. So we must have heard different things because I said on our radio, they told the six-to-a-drive-thru, because obviously we're worried about you because of the point situation. And then I said, oh, he just stopped.

I don't know if that's going to clear it. Then they, as soon as you took off from stopping, then they said, no, you have to do a drive-thru? Did they make you do a drive-through because you didn't come to a full stop? Or did they make you do a drive-through because you didn't do it on the lap that you originally violated the rule? Yeah, if we would have stopped all the way. But the problem was we weren't, he was on, like, I wasn't sure that he had missed it. And he wasn't sure.

So they were reviewing it. And they're like, no reviewing it. You got to stop. And then they literally said stop on the front. And in the middle of stopping in the front. they changed it again. They said six got to do a drive-through and then they started review process and that's when they said, just have the six stop on the front and that's when we did that. Then, nope, you got to do a drive-through. So there was three different things that happened.

It was a drive-through, stop on the front, then back to drive-through in the middle stopping on the front. So there needs to be a better process for that. Like you should be able to, you should get a chance to be like, oh, the 23 had nothing to do that and make them have him serve a stop on the front, chicane or whatever. And you know, whatever it is like that. There should be some sort of, like, I don't think you should have to drive-through. We didn't, we stopped. I know, but like I'm just saying, though, there should be some sort of review process.

You got wrecked. You missed it because you wrecked. And you didn't gain. Did you gain anything? No, you got shoved out there. So you just, you blend it back in where you, where you come out. We were spinning through there. They would be, as many people as they have looking at Pit Road video, they'd have to have people in the review booths

checking everybody, right? I mean, as many, I mean, it's pretty obvious to look at somebody, but it's pretty obvious to look at a replay or a wreck when that happens to say, oh, that guy just got shoved through there. He had nothing to do with it. And he's already lost track position. Why we penalized him again? Yeah, I literally didn't even cross my mind.

Like, we got spun around. We were barely, I mean, we damn, we're near stopped. We Bubba did a good job of getting going again. And I just never even crossed my mind. Like, oh, we have to serve a stop and go too. Because I would have, if I knew, it was, again, my fault, of not knowing the rules word for word. I would just said stop, you know, stop and then go.

But were you in the zone where that would have? Yeah, you could stop. We were still sitting. Like when he got forward, you know, pointed straight again, we were basically running, I mean, we probably moving five miles an hour. I could have just easily said stop and then go. Well, I think there's a lot of ambiguity here because we know when we miss the chican. Yeah.

We don't know in situations like you both had happened to you yesterday. So in that situation, NASCAR should call out, you have to serve a penalty and here's where you're going to do the stop and go and then you have time to do it. I don't, I don't, I mean, yesterday sounds like you guys. They were doing a good job of it. Like, like, so they did a good job of that. If you blew the backstretch chican, they would say, all right, stop over here on the front stretch. But there's no, if you blow the front stretch one and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and if you, and, and, and, and, and if you, and, and, and, if you don't stop on the front stretch, you don't have that grace, you know, grace period.

of okay now you can stop over here before you do the past through and obviously a stop and go is much faster than a pass-through so yeah like what's wrong with hey we reviewed it stop in the backstretched chicane and take back off again as long as there's no caution in between those two points yeah yeah yeah i mean could they say also like if you lose five spots then you don't have to do a stop and go i wish i wish because it certainly seems like more than enough five what if you lose one spot then then you're already down you know what i mean to like if if say baba would have lost one spot in and blend it back in, why should he be penalized for losing ground and something he didn't do? In general, I mean, even if he loses one spot, if you get hit through there, you're losing ground no matter what.

I mean, I know it's good. I'm just trying to think, like, if you're trying to say fuel or something, could you like cruise over there, lose one spot and save a little space, a little distance? I mean, I don't know. I mean, that's why I would think you'd want to be significant. Let me ask you this. If it came down to the end of the race. and you needed a couple points, would it be faster

to just all out below that chicane on the backstretch and stop on the front stretch and go? What, Bob, you would, this would be the perfect person. What is the, do you have to, in the wording of the rules, do you have to attempt to make the corner?

Do you have to make, tempt them? Do you have to, like, so if you, if you, like these guys, like, if you just went hauling ass down the backstretch, like there's no chican. You can't, though. You can't, because everyone's going to, they're out by the wall when they first on that.

Oh, yeah, for sure. But you have to slow out a little bit. But in the rules, yeah. But in the rules, like, can you, because I think it's faster to blow the backstretched and stop on the front stretch. Only at Indy when they did that thing for turn one. Yeah. But I'm just saying, like.

Well, because you're keeping your momentum and. You're haul, they're going to the chicane. You haul ass and blow by five of them. You're going to gain a giant significant advantage and then have to just do a stop and go quick on the racetrack and then blow straight through that chican too because you're stopping in the restart zone on the oval, you know, I don't think it's faster. I think it might be close, but.

I think you'd gain. I don't know. We'll see. Somebody's going to do eventually. Let me ask you this. Yeah. If you're side by side through the last chican for the win. Just knock the guy off.

And you knocked the guy out of the last chican over between the sign and the curb where we went through. And you knock him over there. Do they penalize him for it? Should? Yeah. Because I got penalized for getting run over yesterday. What's the difference between you getting penalized? You know what I mean?

like you shouldn't get penalized really for that. And like so you just run the guy over there. He's automatically disqualified or because he has to worry about him anymore. Nope. Are they going to call that? They should if they're going to be consistent. Do you think they would? I don't know.

Two cars go through their side by side. I doubt it. Then why is it a penalty? Yeah. Before. Why is it, why are you penalized for something you didn't do? I don't know. I have to call our friend Mike Ford to ask him.

Well, on the similar topic, spot on spot off, the Cup series race for resulted in five natural cautions and upgrade from the last two road course races. And I know Andrew has a lovely clip, but he's not ready. So here you're going to skip. Hang on. Let's go back to Andrew in a minute. There's one caution yesterday that really drove me crazy. Oh, God.

Which one? Andy Fri-Lally, who is Long Island native. We try to stick together on the Long Island gang. But he wrecks. Are you voting him off the island? He's voting off the island. He wrecks over there. between one and two facing the wrong way.

So now he drives the wrong way from two to one, makes her right, goes down pit road the wrong way. Which is fine because he got out of the way. So I thought that was good. I'm like, oh, he's good. So then he stops. He didn't go, I thought he was just going to drive straight down pit road to his pit stall. Well, he does a U-turn.

Now he's heading back out towards the racetrack, stops on pit road. Well, they don't throw the yellow. So he's sitting there for a couple minutes. And I told by, I said, we got one stalled on pit road. Then I see out of my corner of my eye, he starts rolling. And I said, no, no, they're not going to throw a yellow. he rolled again.

All he did was roll to turn two where there was no wall protection and stop over there to draw yellow. What the fuck are you doing? Like, like you're irrelevant in this race. And now you're going to draw caution for, for whatever reason. Like,

what are you doing? I should have stayed that for one idiot. That size is to say, Freddie threw is what any other than it. It's not too late. But like that caution, then, you know,

we had one, you say natural cautions. One was because of 47 burned into the ground. You know, so it wasn't like, there was one. racing incident. But the other thing was there was cautions yesterday that I didn't think needed to be

cautions. Like the 78 spun and a single card span in the middle of three or four. They got rolling. And they were going to throw that one. Suarez, they threw that one immediately. I know he had damage and probably warranted a caution later, but they threw that one immediately. You know, there was just all weekend, even at Xfinity race that the sign caution didn't

need to be. I don't know. It was a tricky week to figure out what was a yellow and what wasn't. Those very could easily just went. not been called all of them. What do you got, Andrew? You back yet? I have the clip, yeah.

And so I talked to Tyler Reddick on Peirot after the race, and this is actually a funny story that comes with it. As I'm asking him, a question that relates to this, you know, was it racetrack? Was it, you know, elimination race that made for more cautions?

He asked me if I had my E.D. pills on me, but I didn't hear him. So I said, what? And he said, do you have your E.D. pills on you? And so I'm like, I've, I still couldn't hear him. I still couldn't hear him. So I'm like, yep, I do.

And like around, like, we were in this media scrum. And then I asked him the question. So then where everybody goes? Did he ask to borrow some or what? Why was he asking? Why is all the reporters standing around looking at Andrews Crotch all of a sudden? Sella moved away from him. Tyler, actually.

Tyler came to the roof for the expending race. Yeah. He was sitting there. and I took my binoculars and I'm like looking right at him he just looks at me he's like I did a I did a promo for the track for for the live show and they we recorded before practice on the on the spotter stand the oval spotter stand that I was up there during the race and and he was standing next to me he's like wait a minute it's like you're in two places it was so here's the clip and I trimmed it down but you can hear him asking me if I had my ed pills so kept that in this race seemed to have a lot

more natural cautions than the last two? You got your edie meds? Say well? Go your edie meds on you? Yeah. Was that a product? Yeah. A limination race. Like, what are your thoughts on that? Yeah, I think it's some of it's elimination race. I mean, I don't know. I didn't honestly see the cautions. But I knew that drivers were being really aggressive.

Guys down in the playoffs were being aggressive with playoff drivers, giving them something, you know, hey, you got something to lose. The playoff, the other side of the playoff drivers are being aggressive back because they have a lot to gain and a lot on the line. I think it's just a product if we get a caution laid at row courses like this, that they're just going to keep coming. This needs to be one of those things that get for a meme or whatever. Got your edy meds?

Got your edy mitts? Like, that was funny. How do you not pick up on that? Well, and then so I edited that clip, but then I asked him the question, and then I looked to him for his answer. He's like, sorry, I wasn't paying attention. What was, so like he was just thinking about the joke. It's hard to know what wants a caution and what doesn't these days.

It's hard. But before we jump out of spot on spot off, I want to know where you're at with all the scenes. silly season stuff. Is there much left to happen? You got the 10, the 16. Who's in the 10? It's a great question. It changes every few weeks. Is it AJ after this weekend?

The 10. Oh, just kidding. I mean, I will say it's not Eric Amarola. I feel pretty good about that. So who do you think is in the 10 as of this week? Can you tell us? I mean, I think Noah Gricksson is certainly a candidate for it. You know, he sounds like he's talked to several teams over the last month. And it sounds like some things have gotten close and then don't happen. And is that because other teams have started coming in or, you know,

or teams having second thoughts? Are they still trying to figure out funding? I'm not sure which. So, but certainly he has become a candit for that ride. As far as the 16, I don't know. You know, after yesterday, you'd say, man, you definitely would want to put Ammendinger back in there. But it doesn't sound like that that's necessarily.

their plan. Yeah. There's a, you know, there's a lot of, like, one of the guys that intrigued me all all silly season, Bob, you can tell me where you stand on this is Riley Herbst. You hear, you know, we heard rumors of him going to JGR. Now I heard rumors yesterday of him staying at Stuart Hoss. And I saw a rumor of him going to Rick Ware in the Cup series. Like, where, what do you think about Riley Herbst where he's going to land next year? Again, that's one of those moving. And I think the last I hurt is that he likely will stay but you know when somebody has the funding that those things can change pretty quickly it's my first thing that he really wants to win in the Xfinity series before he makes that move and can he win I think he can I think he's shown enough

improvement this year he was the most improved as many driver that I for him he had improved immensely at the beginning of this year I think that I thought a perfect fit would be him going back to JGR because they need a driver with funding. They just lost Sammy Smith to J.RM, obviously. And the monster tie. Yeah, monster tie. Everything there kind of fits together. And I think that would have been his best opportunity to win

because I think the JGR cars are superior to everybody right now in the Xfinity series. But, you know, it is, and it still might happen. I don't know. That was a rumor I heard months ago. And then that's what I talked about on here. Somebody leaving to go back to JGR was Riley. But, you know, now you hear different rumors of, you know, potentially disdain. of Stuart Haas, which, you know, I think he can obviously win.

He's got the talent. The cars have speed, but, you know, I think that you could take a step up going to JGR and being a little more consistent over there. And then we lost. And Brett left. See you later, Brett. Take care of. His ED pill kicked in.

He's got around the bathroom real quick. What, any other potential surprises for us as we had into the off season? I think that silly, Bob can correct him wrong. Silly season right now just revolving. balls around a couple drivers. You know, Noah Gregson being one of them. The Noah's, you know, he's there, you know, he's floating around. And I think the question on Noah is, is it better for him to go and if he can get a cup

ride, a staying cup where he's certainly had lost some confidence during this year, but, you know, he's proven what he can do in the Xfinity series. Or is it better for him to go to the Xfinity series, win some races and kind of reestablish himself? There's certainly a mix of thoughts in the garage on what he should do, and I'm not sure that there is a right answer. I would say, you know, if, I mean, JGR has obviously got open seats. There's a lot of, nobody really knows what's going on over there, Xfinity-wise.

I think they're going to have one all-star car and two full-time guys, and the full-time guys could surprise a lot of people. But the, you know, if that's a place, that's the only place he can go now in the Xfinity series that has an opening where he can go and win, because JRM's filled up, RCR's filled up. You know, there's not that many, you know, weekly, you know, colleagues are not filled up. But I don't, I would put JGR a step ahead of colleague as far as just raw speed in the Xfinity series.

He could win races at Colleg for sure. We've seen Chandler do it. We see A.J. do it. You know, we've seen that 10 car win races. But, you know, like, if you're going to step in somewhere, and then colleague, I mean, he was at colleague last year. He ran at the Cup car part time. so it's a natural fit there.

But he kind of, I think he feels like he controls some of the options there. You know, you talk about if it's not Noah, is it Cole Custer probably getting back into 10 or maybe a surprise guy? So it'll be interesting to see how it plays out. But I think that it's starting to wind down for sure. After AJ's win and how emotional it was, I guess it kind of sparked a few rumors or questions as to what his plans are. I just know it, AJ.

I don't think the whatever we're going to run next year, four or five road courses, whatever it is. That's really his only chance to win next year. But there's a bunch of them. Yeah, I'm saying. There's five of them. But is that enough? Like for somebody like AJ,

AJ can go back to Xfinity and be a championship contender tomorrow. He's not going to be, in my opinion, a championship contender in the Cup series. And somebody at AJ's point in his career, I think he would have, enjoy life a lot more if he's just going out there, running Xfinity schedule, and being a championship contender in that series versus just hopefully I win one of these five road courses a year in the Cup series. Let's move on to the DBCA Maine. I think Super Dirtwick is actually playing on Dirt Vision right now. Really?

Yeah, they're running out. They're running all the features today, which will be over by the time Andrew gets done editing of this. You know, I see my buddy. One day and 1045 Eastern. So super dirt week playing as we're recording the show. Old Sunshine won Port Royal, World Outlaw Race this week. That's big for him. Shout out to CBI and Cannon Macintosh for the Millbridge win.

And shout out to everyone I saw at Milbridge. You came out to say hi. Yeah, so I saw Port Royal. See, you always have like the big thing obviously up there. And when you get to Pennsylvania is the outlaws versus the posse. And the Pennsylvania posse. clarify. And here come the all-star drivers and the All-Star Circuit of Champions drivers and steal the show. Tyler, Courtney, Sunshine won the one night. And then Zeb came back and won the next night.

So good for them guys, two guys I know pretty well. And obviously, Tyler's a buddy of mine. Zeb's a good kid, young kid. He's a really up-and-coming racer. So good to see them guys have success at the Port Royal. What is it, the Palace of Speed or whatever? They said it's like, Hirschman lives out there. He went. He said it's like in the middle of a neighborhood. I've never been there. He said, you're just driving around, but it's like, you're going by houses, houses, houses, houses, and there's a racetrack. All of a sudden in the middle of it. Yeah, I like it's got the big walls in the corner. And then, uh, early this year, a guy I know flipped out of the park there in turn one. So that was always, that's what you like

about it. That's what I like about it. Yeah. There was a point in, in the NASCAR world where, like, the next big thing was the next big dirt racer. And obviously it's Tony Stewart, Casey Kane. List goes on, on, on. Christopher Bell may be the last big one to come out and do it. do you think with this new car that it's as important to have that dirt background? I think that we talked about this last week that the dirt got the, it's not as enticing anymore because of salaries, frankly. You know, like it used to be you could run dirt and make a living, but you could go to Cup and make millions.

You're not making millions now. I mean, there's, I'm sure Larsen's making millions. Bell's probably making millions. But now you have to get to the upper echelon of the Cup series. You can't just get in the Cup series. So, you know, you've seen a kid like Buddy Coffoyd was a kid that was coming through the Toyota pipeline and was going to be the next Christopher Bell. Is that a problem, Bob, that a dozen cup drivers aren't making as much as Donny shots? Dude, like a 24-time champion, though, man, should they?

I mean, I think. I don't know that it's a problem that they're not making as much as Donny shots, but it's a problem that they're not making probably as much as you would think they should for putting their life on. the line for 38 weekends a year for the entertainment of millions of people watching on television. Do you think that, do you think the fact that that dry or team owners have placed so many restrictions on dirt racers racing on dirt is also playing a factor? Because those guys who are coming up want to be able to race. No, I think what's a factor is that they get like three cents on the dollar for the t-shirts they sell when they can sell and get 80 cents on the dollar

for the t-shirts they sell at the back of their truck. at our dirt race. A chili bowl. Yeah. I mean, to me, that's, I mean, heck, Kyle Larson even said,

when we talked about after his Talladega crash, that, you know, he was like, you know, people complain about me racing on dirt, but, you know, look,

I just got in this crash. And it's like, I make a lot of money racing on dirt. And not only probably from some winnings, but also from his merch. Yeah, I mean, and that,

and so that is, I think that's as much a part of it as anything. You look at the dirt racing merchandise, right? And you see a Bubba Wallace T-shirt. The Bubble Wallace T-shirt is the bubble Wallace T-shirt for the year. You go to Daytona, you buy a bubble-a-s shirt. I mean, they come out with some different variations of it throughout the year. These dirt guys, they make a shirt for every event.

Oh, we're going to Knoxville this week. We're going to Bristol. They make a dirt. This is, oh, we're going to Port Royal. Like, whatever it is. There's a shirt almost for every event. event they go to. So that's why you just make, I mean, when we were, we with Couch Racer, we were using the same vendor as Kyle.

And you, like, every week, they're making another run of Kyle Larson shirts. Whatever, wherever they were going that week, they were making a run of shirts for that track. So, like, that's just you see, like, how much more they can sell over there. And that's that whole, and you look at the dirt world. Like, when you go to the racetrack, every fan in there has a shirt of some, either a racetrack or a driver or, but it's, it's all merchandise base. They do a much better job of selling and promoting its stuff, I feel like then and taking care of the drivers, take care of themselves on the dirt side. But yeah, you don't see as much as we used to on the cup side.

That was Blaine Deward, right? Blaine Doord, yeah. He's very good. He is very good. Well, I know it'll be a busy week on Dirt Vision. We have extreme outlaws. We'll be going for the championship with Cannon and a few other drivers. And we also have a full weekend with World of Outlaws.

So catch all those series in more. plus our show on DirtVision. Moving on to your reaction theater. Snuck up on me. Jesus Christ. I've got it. I love Bob Topcress. He answers so many people's questions on Twitter

and no matter how many times they ask it. But I do have one question for you, Bob. Does the DBC studio have lights? It has plenty of lights. We got these boob lights. What do you call them? Boob lights. Those are our boob lights.

I didn't want to say it, but if you say it, then... They're Austin Power lights. Yeah. They have seen where the girl comes out with machine gun boobies. Bob, we got those free with when Brett bought his box of a friend... Take a picture of those. So we can share that later. Yeah.

And then there's other lights, but they're turned off. So plenty of lights here at the DVC studio. Is that the most frequently asked question you get? It is. It is. people enjoy it. The only issue I ever have with it is that sometimes when something's going on,

people just fill my timeline with it, then I don't see other people's kind of questions that you may really want to answer. But it's been a fun thing. Man, I tell you, I really didn't think I had a whole lot in common with Ricky Stinthouse, Jr. before today. Man, anytime I get around 13 of pizza rolls like that,

same thing. happens to me every time. Never, never just. Same. What's he talking about? It was pretty funny. So Harris Teeter was on the car and pizza rolls were on a bumper cover. And so he's talking about the sponsor. The pizza rolls. It was on fire? They set him on fire. My old boss Eddie Partridge used to own the team I modified team I worked for and then he owned Ryan Priest's car forever. They owned a pear tree too. He did. He has a tree farm. I'll be honest with you.

But he passed away. a couple years ago, but he would be the only person on the planet. We have a big camper. We'd bring all the races and we would have a deep fryer. He would deep fry the Totino's pizza rolls. And then I don't know about you, but like if I microwave deep fry, wherever you get them out, you got to like bite the corner off and then let them air out for about 37 minutes before you can ever. He would pop him in his mouth. He would just one after another. I'm like, do you, what is wrong with you? Like, do you not have a feeling in your mouth any longer? Like what is going on? because if you ever put one of those in your mouth.

Did he on the camper that you woke up that time in the middle of the night and you wandered around? No, no, that was Don King. Oh, that was, yeah. I thought that was same guy. No, that was Don King. I peed in his camper. First day out.

Not in the toilet. Not that. It was in a garbage man. You heard about it too? I think so. It was on this show. It was on when Doug was on. Allegedly.

Nobody has any proof. You admitted it. Yeah, that's kind of proof. I got a message for you. One of the top three things. in my life. Cold beer, hot wings, Tim Dugger Music,

yoga pant, and hanging out with Tim Dagger live here at Michael Walker's tap room. I know, this is probably Brandon. He's cool. DJs, yeah, and Brett

spurs a lot of shit. Come on. I got a phone call at probably midnight on, what night? Was that Friday, I guess, when Dugger played. It was Dugger FaceTiming me. And I was like, I saw it.

I was half asleep ready, so I was like, I'm not answering that. There's no way. And then I got a video of these guys, and it was Dugger with some DBC fans, and they were partake. Brandon was the one that was at the show on Saturday. He said he was drinking water because he was out with Dugger the night before. Yeah. So, yeah. I tell you, man, Michael's tap room.

I didn't know it was a thing in Concord yet, and I saw it. It's where the old Quaker steak and lube used to be, I think. And I'm definitely going to check it out because I'm a big fan of it was place in Bristol. I've been there. It's actually it's a good place. Yeah. Nice inside. Have you been Bob? Yeah, I've been. Yeah. What's your beer? Requirement from as a Fox employee. What's your beer choice in there? You got a

beer choice? I mean, there's a two-time something. Two-time champ? Yeah, two-time. I like the Mexican one the best, the Mexican Lager. It's my favorite. Actually, I'm lying. I like the new orange one the best. I haven't had the new orange. It's bomb. It's good. Who the fuck? I thought it was a good idea to put Watkins Glenn in the playoffs.

Give me one good fucking cup race there That wasn't an oil-covered Last lap Race between Marcus Abrose And Brad Kay That track's soft And does not deserve

In the beat of playoffs What the actual F***t of the end of that tension That's the end of that sentence Over Listen I don't hate this If we go to work Here's the problem

What I'm about to say If we go to work And fix this road course package I don't hate it But if we go to work to fix this road course package. We're, and I know I was just saying I don't care about how much money, we're wasting teams money.

NASCAR should have their own R&D team. They have a ton of former drivers that are on staff from Elton Sawyer to David Green and I could keep going. They should be developing these things. Why should teams have to carry the burden of developing the best road course package for this car? Bob, do you see what I'm saying? Yeah, but I think you want the, I mean, obviously NASCAR designed the car and they haven't

gotten it. perfect, which I guess might be too tall or whenever you design a race car. But, I mean, I think you want the teams help in trying to figure it out. I think the hardest part about this new car is that, you know, when it comes to safety or anything else, is that the teams can't touch the parts or pieces. They can't go to work on it. So it's kind of up to NASCAR to say, okay, we're going to try this piece or we're going to try this or we're going to try that. instead of the team's just going and trying to develop something and do it.

So I wish they kind of would use, I don't know, you know, drivers. They can probably put any drivers in those cars and they can give them the feedback or several drivers in those cars. But I think it's more the R&D element and having different ideas and so many different people working on. So when the teams and drivers are outwardly publicly saying it's not the aerodynamics that need fixing, we need to go down. we need to go down the engine path. We need to go down this path. If they're not willing to do that, what's the point? I think the problem is you're coming to the teams for help too late.

The teams should have been involved in the development of this car versus now trying to fix this car. You know, I mean, you see like I think that you go to, you know, you get a group of crew chiefs. Take, you know, five guys, Rodney, who, you know, like there's guys out there, Gabe Hart. Like, you take five or five, four or five guys and include them in the development of the car. and they can tell you what's going to work, what's not going to work, what the pros and cons of certain parts are going to be. But now the problem is they develop this car,

and it has not been very good, except for maybe a mile and a half. And now it's on the teams to try to rectify the mistakes we've made developing the car, where I think you could go a lot further if you just include these guys, and they can tell you, we have some of the smartest minds in the garage. They can tell you you're going down the wrong path with this. You're going down the wrong path, you know, don't do this or do this or more of this, whatever it is.

But, you know, if the problem I think comes in, we've developed it. Now it's on you to fix it. Like, okay, well, that doesn't seem right. Hey, I just walked out of big Al there, Freddie and Bret. You guys are in there. But I do have one question. Why the hell is Freddy's name on the wall in the men's bathroom? It is.

That's just for a friend. Is your phone number under there, please? I don't know, but I've seen it in there. Was it under four a good time? Did you write it? No. Do you put your name up there? It had to be a DVC fan because it's f***ing spelt wrong.

And I think they do that stuff to piss me off. With a C or a Y? There's not, thank God it's not my full name. It's just Freddie. But it's with a Y. So it has to be a DB or Brett, Brett probably doing it piss me off. I never have a Sharpie.

That's not, that 100% not me. There is, there is funny because there is Freddy's in there. And there's a couch racer logo in the, in the bathroom. Which side? The right side. The one you don't ever go. I thought it's going to be like in the urinal.

It is in the euro. Wait, you got a certain. It is. You got a certain side. When you're at the urinal, you're looking at that's not on the porcelain. There's two bathrooms. There's a right side bathroom and a left side bathroom. On completely opposite sides of the restaurant.

Oh. I always sit on the right side. Gotcha. Sit on the right side. In the bathroom? In the bathroom. Yes. I've never been.

Staring at Freddy's name. Mine's on the left side. All right. We got one more. Hey, I just want to give a vastest shout out to Freddy for calling me to Jesus. If you want to get blessed, just hit me up anytime, baby.

What did you call him? Jesus. He was the guy at the stage. You called him Jesus. I called him Jesus. I'm going to get blessed. He really wanted to have a drink, so he bought me a beer

before we left the show the other day, and I appreciate that very much. I don't know what Jesus really looked like. I mean, I don't know what Jesus really looked like, but if you take the painting that everybody has up of Jesus, the guy looked like Jesus. There's two of them. There's two guys in front of him.

just like Jesus. There were two Jesus. There was just one. You just had so many beers. That could be true. Shout out to Charlotte Motor Speedway for dropping off a cooler full of beer, by the way. I appreciated that.

Yeah, that was awesome. Someone drank my beer. That was me. And a few more. Oh, send us an audio message 247. Call our number 704-802-9-5-7, and we will keep playing the best ones. Let's move on to AskDBC.

Don't forget to send us your questions on Twitter using hashtag AskDBC. The first one is from our friend's Master of Light. This one is for Bob. I'm curious who was your inspiration to become a journalist and why, and how much of an impact did that person have on you for who you are today? That was a seven-part question. I like it. I mean, I would say, you know, my older brother was in newspapers.

He was about four years older, so he started working at a newspaper when I just started college. So I would say he was probably the, you know, probably the biggest inspiration. I lived in the Midwest at the time in Indianapolis. I would say if you're talking about like just people who I read, probably Mike Roiko of the Chicago Tribune was a columnist that, you know, you read. and then maybe as got older, maybe Mitch Album. So looking back, when I met you for the first time, you were at the Daytona Beach Journal, did you think you would end up working for Fox Sports

in a role that puts you obviously in a national, big media perspective, but on TV? Like you're a TV guy now. I didn't think that at all. I mean, there's, there are so many different paths that you could take, and, you know, when NASCAR scene had their opening in 2003, the magazine, at first I didn't even think I would apply because I didn't think that writing once a week was going to film kind of my juices as far as disseminating information, but, you know, I was told, you know, this is a good

place you need to apply, and so that's kind of where that started the NASCAR-centric path for me. So, yeah, never thought about TV or anything. You know, I thought if I was going to be be on TV, it'd be like as a, you know, kind of the local reporter columnist who's on a, on a news show maybe once a week or something like that, not, not certainly not on, not on Fox. And, you know, quite frankly, when, you know, ESPN said they weren't got a motorsports reporter anymore after, was it, 2019 or 2018, I would say there's probably January 1 in 2019, and probably 30% chance I'd end up in at Daytona covering NASCAR. car. I had contracts from a lot of gambling sites,

at least a couple of gambling sites that wanted reporters. Right. And, you know, and that kind of looked like the path that was going to go down. And then Fox came up with a role for me that totally couldn't refuse and kept me in the sport. I love it. I got to say, man, you talk about the NASCAR scene. I remember we'd all be standing in the haulers and they'd deliver those things. And the crew guys, we'd all dive into those things.

I mean, it was the number one publication from an industry. perspective. I don't know how well it did outside of the sport. But it did. The incredible thing about that magazine is, you know, you think about like the early 2000s when NASCAR was just starting to, you know, when NASCAR was booming, but the internet wasn't totally there yet. You'd go out to like races at Phoenix and people be like, this is the only way we get our NASCAR information because the local papers weren't really covering it. Right. And then the magazine would go to press on Monday nights. And so people would get in their mailbox, hopefully Thursday or Friday before the national.

next race weekend. So they were getting pretty much up-to-date news for, you know, for a lot of them. You're not writing as much now. That's four days late. You're not, you're not right. Yeah, I mean, it's being hour late. Yeah. Not four days, that's, we don't talk about days late. We talk about hours. Hours. That's 96 hours late. I always hate, like when they put out that, um, what they just put out on a Sunday, a day off, it was a press release about, oh, it was about the clash. And I was like, the reporters are off to. Like let them have a day off. Why drop this on a Sunday?

Because it was part of the football. Yeah, during the football game. Yeah. Yeah. So you were talking about going from, you know, obviously writing to Fox Sports. You don't do as much writing now. Do you miss it? No, a little bit.

But, I mean, now for the Fox Sports website, I write virtually at least three times a week. So that's certainly enough. I'm certainly totally busy. and, you know, it's just different for, like, the business with Bob that we do every week on on NASCAR Race Day, it's pretty much I write like a, you would like a news notebook for, that you used to write for a newspaper. And I write that and send it to the producers and then they tell me which topics we're going to, we're going to talk about.

So you're doing some of the same things I'm going to write these long. You kids don't know for you. that we're doing on Fox Sports Digital, you know, these 10-minute pieces. So getting to do different things than used to. I'd probably not as many, you know, necessarily deep dive written pieces specifically for kind of quote-unquote print reading. Having as much fun as you've ever had? That's a great question.

I think, you know, the sports certainly has evolved, right? And so I think with this playoff system, it really creates a lot of pressure. It creates a lot of angst. And so, you know, so I think sometimes there's more drama, which can be fun to cover, but it also can be, you know, it can be stressful. And so, I don't know, it certainly has intriguing to cover. I don't know when you talk about fun, I think it's. Well, you also...

It's just different. It's just different, and the people are different, and it's just a totally different atmosphere, I would say, than 30 years ago. Your role, too, being more on camera, I know you did some ARCA stuff a few weeks ago, and what you did an incredible job of, is that where you'd like to continue? No, I mean, I'll do whatever Fox asks,

but doing the pit road on that ARCA race, it was fun. What happened was, you know, I see a schedule, because I saw a schedule and saw we were short person for that for that Arka race. It was a couple months before and I said, hey, can I do it? And we prepared, like I followed the, Heather DeBeau around and was in the Arca garage all day for a day at Pocono for a day at Michigan. So we really prepared for it. I thought I could help give some stories for the telecast, which got number one goal.

and then, as I said, you want to put yourself in new positions. So I thought that was good. And hopefully, I joke that the next time maybe if we're short-handed or something comes up and the choices are nobody or Bob, you know, that Bob. But, you know, I also told our people that, like, if we found out that that wasn't part of my skill set or wasn't something I could do, then that was a good thing to know, too, because then there wouldn't be the urge if somebody to get sick or, you know, there was some question. and, you know, somebody said, well, let's try it and then have me fall flat on my face.

Yeah. Plug and play, Bob. Yeah. How many? So, Bob is very active on Twitter. I don't know if you're aware of that or not. I don't know. So if you, if I told you Brett that you have sent out 67,000 tweets, and you're a very active person on Twitter also.

How many tweets do you think Bob has sent out? Quarter million. Just short. It's like 223,000. So he'll fix that to that. Wow. Yeah, by the end of the week, he'll have two 50s. Do you miss living in North Carolina at all?

Obviously, you're in Harlem now. Yeah, a little bit sometimes. I mean, there's certainly pluses and minuses, but I love living in New York City. It's just such a vibrant. There's just no place like it. And it's not for everybody. It's not for me.

No, no, no, no, no, no. But I just, you know, I'm, I'm, I can't it's hard to describe the fan and part of it was you know I was born in New Jersey grew up you know maybe 20 30 miles from New York City didn't and I say go in to see a lot you know I moved when I was 10 but there's just something very comforting and something that's like speaks like it's home yeah and and you know I I enjoy it how many more years does Bob Packers train rolling the NASCAR does stick around how long I don't think if Bob Packers gets that choice I think usually it's uh usually that's a

choice made somebody makes that decision for you so I am I I I don't know I don't know it's um it's a great question um you know I think there's the question is you know do do you keep going every week and doing the same role or eventually are there different roles that maybe you can transition to and what would those be and would you be as effective last question shut up Would you ever consider going to work for a team? Oh, that, I mean, consider, I think you'd consider everything. But that would probably be pretty difficult, I think, to. If you were all for the director of communications or vice president of communications for a Cup series team, would you do it?

Probably not. Probably not. the hard part is, is I'm, I just doesn't fit my personality. Yeah. You know, I think I don't, I think I could do the job, but I don't think I would enjoy doing the job. The job, the journalism of this job is what I love. People's discretionary time and their discretionary income is limited. And if I can have an impact by what I write on them deciding whether they're going to go to a race or whether they're going to root for this person or whether they're going to spend their money,

money buying this driver's t-shirt that that's what drives me well last question do you have any regrets about running into brett and i in a dover casino no not at all casino bob is probably my favorite bob no because i mean the the thing is is that uh i i i can handle myself in the sense like i know when where the limit is are you saying we don't What I'm saying is that I can't get, what I'm saying is that I will say no once I feel like I've hit the part of the night where I need to stop. Which story was your favorite, Freddie? The hickie story or the one about losing his glasses? The glasses, for sure.

We're going to bring those up again? Can we tell the glasses story on here? I think he told it on here. Oh, we did. I didn't. I thought Freddie wasn't here then. I haven't heard it. I haven't heard it.

Can we retell it real fast? you love that story. Andrew, do you know the story? I was just saying I haven't heard. I got a lot of new listeners. Oh my gosh. So, I mean, I love this. You guys love this story.

But it's a simple story. I was at a friend's house. I got up the next morning. I, uh, she lived about 25 miles from where I worked and where I lived. and I you know you get up in the morning and you're kind of groggy so you just kind of go like this and looking for your pills get in the car and I start driving and about 20 miles down the road the signs are still kind of blurry and I'm like wondering why because I should be awake and I look in the rearview mirror and I have her glasses on so I have to drive all the way home or all the way to her place to get my glasses to get my glasses yeah yeah there you go I think the Hakey stories is just as good.

This next one is from Katie. What's Bob's favorite track? And how many miles has Bob flown? Oh. I have no idea how many I've flown. I certainly have... Are you a million miler? What do you fly in New York?

I fly Delta now. Yeah. Don't... So... Good for you. Lucky. I'm left from American from being in Charlotte to Delta. So I don't have like million-mile or status since I changed.

Probably would if I did. but or if I didn't. Favorite track, I mean, I grew up in Indianapolis. So I think, you know, that's, I joke that I didn't even know that, like, I figured Daytona had stands on the inside. Because you grew up in Indianapolis. That's what you have. That's what you know.

And so to me, that's still kind of my favorite place. It's where I went to a race when I was 10 or 11 and went, you know, every year, you know, when I was in college and stuff and where I first started doing. Motorsports journalism was there. So I don't, you know, so that, that to me is my favorite track. If you're asking a favorite NASCAR track, like where to watch, Rockingham was my, I just loved watching the cars slide off a turn four and come down that front stretch.

Are you happy, talking about Indianapolis, so you're happy we're going back to the whole racing? Oh, yes. Yes. I mean, when they started the brickyard, I mean, I was at that first brickyard in 94. like the whole point was so that you know if a NASCAR driver was like on a plane and somebody said well do you race Indianapolis you would answer yes and it wasn't yes but the road course that you know that wasn't right that that answer doesn't have the same impact or the same

I think if you're going to race Indianapolis the Oval is the place to race I agree with you what about the low track there what you think about it but the IRP oh IRP Lucas O'all race way park they rename that thing every year i can't keep up um i mean i like it i mean it's been a it's it's where you've seen some great um great exfini races or bush races back in the day and i think i like that the trucks are there kind of wish exfendi was there um you know it's kind of frustrating that there weren't races there what a nixote rations that would be like that would be a phenomenal Oh, my gosh. I mean, it's so good.

And the question is why don't they have one? Is it because they can't afford the sanction fee with the sponsorship that they can get? And if that's the case, then should NASCAR lower that fee just to have that type of event? Can they justify that while charging others? And I do know that going to Indianapolis Motor Speedway, it's easier for the teams to get sponsorship for that race versus IRP. it's easier for them to entertain guests than at IRP, but why can't you do both? Like, why can't, you know, during, you know, during Indy 500 qualifying weekend,

I don't even think Xfinity races, right? If it's during the All-Star weekend, why can't Xfendi go there and race, race that weekend or something like that, where there's a will, there's a way? Yeah. Now for those fans who are listening, you've been to every single track and more, what, what track would you recommend? as being their bucket list for going to. It's so difficult because you don't know what that person likes,

but I would still say the Bristol Night Race is a race that if you have one to go to, just because the atmosphere is so good that there's just nothing quite like that event. Daytona 500 Bristol Night Race, two best things on our schedule. From a experiential standpoint. Yeah. What goes around, comes around, and what happens in Vegas, Freddie, stays in Vegas. For the first time ever, Dirty Mo Media is taking its hit podcast to the streets, live and in front of real people, uncensored, unapologetically authentic and unprepared. So, business is usual, basically.

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Go for it. So I hate to have to do this, but I have to call out one of our fans, RJ. We met at Big Al's last night, and they were making an entire DBC trip of their weekend. They did a live show. They were coming to Big Al's. So after telling me that, I handed RJ my phone and it said, type your number in here. And I was going to, I invited him to come sit in. We have some fans here.

Nell, one of our favorites. She comes to every damn event we do. I don't know how she does it. I don't know how she does it. But so I was going to invite them to come sit in on the recording this morning. And I think that RJ typed his number in incorrectly because when I invited him, the text didn't go through. And I sent him a picture of where to park and that didn't go through. So RJ, unfortunately, we were trying to have you come listening today, but I think you gave me the wrong phone number.

So I apologize, but you were going to have to be my wood idiot this week. Brett, who you got? There's a long list, but I'm going to narrow it down. I thought Crafton's fine was too large, but that's not the idiot part of it for me. I mean, I think to find $25 grand for a punch that Freddie said on here last year about the Bubba thing or whenever that was, how unprecedented that was. To me, this is the most unprecedented punch fine in NASCAR history, but that's actually not. Why I'm going to say, what an idiot.

The fact that you find them, the amount that you did, is literally telling these drivers, don't handle it yourself, don't handle it in the garage, don't handle it on pit road, because now you've set a precedent, you're saying go wreck each other and tear up each other's race cars and put that on your crew guys and on your owner. And for that reason, whoever decided the fine should be, be that catastrophic, you win my, what an idiot. Can we give an honorable one idiot to Chandler? What do he do?

Not wear his head sock. 10 grand for not wearing your head sock. So when I came out, I literally, I text him, I'm like, dude, 10 grand head sock. Is that hard? He said, it was sweaty. It was one lap. And I didn't think it was a big deal. They saw it on camera.

Obviously his safety. I'm an idiot. It's 10 grand. What an idiot. Wow. 10 grand for not wearing a head sock during qualifying. he just got so he agreed to go race this truck right and obviously you can make a little bit of money racing a truck and then he turns around and gets fined 10 grand which means he lost money

racing the truck because the reason the headset was sweaty is because he had been in the truck I thought it was for his cup was no it was truck qualified it was truck qualified yeah good lord I can't even fathom that that's an idiot I didn't even know gosh all right good job Chandler you can be my an idiot too. I mean, that's bad. You're going to piggy back off of somebody else's idiot. He ain't going to pick an idiot the rest of year. Llan and Huffman's still mad at him.

I think Landa Huffman's madded a lot of people right now. I don't think is me. Bob, do you have a wooden idiot? I had one, but I mean, I was one of those who thought Krafton should be suspended for breaking a guy's nose when he was in street clothes and the guy was in the playoffs and

Kraftin wasn't. If he hurts that guy, he has trouble breathing, then Crafton's teammates advance, but not that Crasson's going to stand up for his teammates. You know, I'm certainly standing up for himself, but yeah,

but I'll go with him. So you're saying Brett's one idiot? I'm a little bit questioning that now on that that he feels that that was just like your normal railroad stuff. Well, Brett's been punched in the face enough that he side's with the guy doing the punch of.

But I'm actually going to go with the the NASCAR industry. And this, from what I saw on Friday night before Tim Dugger played, whereas I saw all the Joe Gibbs racing drivers signing autographs at the racetrack, at the Toyota display, and a huge line of people to go see their favorite driver. And that's really easy to do in Charlotte when most of your drivers live in the area. And when NASCAR went to this schedule of a lot of just Saturday, Sunday shows,

they said, we're going to have our drivers out on market on Fridays. They're going to be doing things on Friday. Fridays at the track or somewhere in the city. And yeah, there's some that might do one that do an appearance, a sponsor appearance, but if you can do that at Charlotte, you need to find a way to do it every weekend for the people who are camping at the track to enhance that experience. And it may result in writing a check, but there's got to be a way that maybe every organization has to pick three tracks where their drivers have to go in on Friday.

and get on stage or be on a fan zone or something and do a huge autograph session because there needs to be something for those people in market on Fridays when there's nothing on the racetrack. That's absolutely right. You're spot on as anything I've ever heard. I mean, we grew up in the air bob where cup drivers were doing 60 plus appearances a year. Some of those at the track, some of those in store, some of those flying out of market to do them. And what that does is that takes our NASCAR experience to the marketplace.

And now we're not as big of an event as we used to be on the weekends. We're a two-day show instead of a four-day show. So again, I think Bob needs to go work somewhere that he can be used, Freddie. I think he's the next NASCAR president. Yeah, I agree. What an idiot. Well, I would agree to some extent. But I think on the autograph session and just the time standpoint,

it's valid because if you look back on how drivers were used with sponsors, it's changed so much and I think it has to do with some of the restrictions that. When autograph lines are well run, you can sign 500 in an hour. It's a lot of people. You know, I did forget about something. Uh-oh. I could give it a way. I can give it out.

Yeah, one of us showed up late for a birthday party. Seriously? Casey Boat. Late, surprise. I wasn't going to say the name. It's a couple minutes late, right? Yeah, a couple. 60?

Probably at least, yeah. 75? And that ballpark. That is not my fault. Casey, that's not late. At that point, you should just stay at home. I thought about it. I felt bad, but I texted.

I made sure that they knew Chloe fell asleep late. I didn't know to tell you. I was ready. Now we're blaming the kid. I was, I thought, I thought for sure. Nobody's not here to defend herself. Nobody was going to know about it. I pull in.

I like, like, try and like sneak into the party. And then I look at TJ and TJ is holding a sign up says, where's Casey? Yep, yep. T.J. Jonathan was there, Dailed. I mean, I can't tell you how many times I apologize. T.J. just has to remind me. I'm sorry.

I have a kid who apparently likes. Casey, everyone there had a kid. Tushie. I have no words. That's a bad example. That was a terrible excuse. A kid that split late. I'm sorry.

Some people have more than one kid that were there. Yeah. They made it on. time. Bob, before we dive in the DBC picks, I don't want you to tell us who you think is going to win yet because you'll screw it up. Your top five picks yesterday, A.J. Amadinger, won the race. Yeah.

How about that? I got Custer in the Spinney race and he finished second. So what goes into that and when do you decide? When do you decide you're going to? I do them usually the night before. So you literally sit down and do your research the night before. Yeah. Well, and usually do it as I watch a replay for Cup.

I'll watch the replay of practice and qualifying because usually we're talking to drivers and stuff during that time so I don't have a really good sense of exactly what happened. Right. And then, you know, I can look at some stats if I, you know, especially if it's a, if it's a track that I want, I feel like that past performance is going to be key. How many have you got right in a cup series? Oh, I don't know. I think I've got like four maybe.

I don't know. That's pretty good. Four out of what? 29? Four out of 30. 30, 35? I don't know. I do it, I mean, I'll be real honest.

Just so many people who play fantasy or gamble or whatever, I get a lot of questions. Like, who's your pick, who's your pick? Or who's your, you know, what do you think about this driver for that driver? So I just decide at 8 a.m. every race day, I'm going to have a tweet scheduled and people know that they can go look at it. and if they want to use it for their fantasy team or anything more, then they can take that risk. TJ and I have two wins each year in a playoff. I think, TJ, we should just kick these other two out.

You and I reset at zero for these last four weeks. Honestly, they're both, they are both eliminated from winning, but they can still beat you. I just got to not be last. They got out of last. I don't go to buy dinner. You all need to pick crappy for me to even have a chance to catch you. And honestly, let's be honest.

I got to win so I can. Let's be honest. You got to win the next four races. What sucks is if I had just won one last year, I'd have won the whole thing. I won two in the playoffs. But anyway, who's first? A lot going on there.

I'm first. I will take Willie B. Damn it. Damn it. Let me go back to the drawing board. Damn it. Oh. I'll take blaming.

Oh, yeah. Brett screwed. We're going to Vegas. I'll take Bell. That's who I was going to take. Was Bell. Oh, you can't. No, I can't.

Damn, I forgot. You caught it. go ahead uh i don't know why i must been looking at your list i was yeah the funny thing is a guy that we all want to take we've all already took i know i this we've all already used up hamlin yeah i would uh and at a mile and a half so he's been lights out well i'm going to take christopher bell andrew while t j figures out yeah i can't pick him who he wants because i can't all out i'll allow it i will take oh it's i mean i'm shooting for the fence right here right now Rex Jr.

He's been on fire. He's been on fire. That's a good thing. I'm changing his luck. Job, Casey. I'm changing his luck. Bob, who you think? Who are you taking?

You can take whoever. At Vegas this weekend? Yeah, yeah. We're rolling into dice. I am going to Hamlin or Legato. That's his name. Hamlin,

Byron, or Lagano. You need a list? In case you don't know all the names. No, I know the names. I'm just trying to think of of the last few races there. I'm going to go I'm going to go with Larson.

Larson. Which means you're saying that you think the groove is going to widen out? One or two for sure, right? I just think he got through this round. I think he got over what could have been for a second straight year, very guilt-ridden performance. He's going to go to Indy on Thursday

and getting an indie car. and do his rookie orientation program. He's going to be just kind of on a, just be so happy and so confident that I think he'll get it done. Yeah. What if the Indy cartels doesn't go good? You're changing your pick? Hey, I picked him.

I'll stick. What's the orientation consist of for our fans that are out there? I think you go like, I don't know where they start, but you have to do like five or ten laps or 15 laps at like 210. Then you go 10 or 15 laps. at 215. Just like ARCA. Then 220.

And then I think you have to do maybe 20 laps or 30 laps at like 220 or 225 or 230 or 230. But they do them in increments. But if he goes out there and just bust off 230 right off the bat, then you can't, right? Yeah, you can't. You have to start out at that kind of slower pace. So it is a complete opposite of like ARCA or something. What do you think is going to happen in Vegas, Bob?

Well, I think it's going to happen. I think it's going to be a pretty traditional. mile and a half race. I don't see a lot of I think it's, yeah, I think it'll be coming pretty straight up pretty like a lot of the mile and a half we've seen this year.

I don't think there's going to be too many nothing crazy. Too many surprises. And that's why the only surprise was the Casey picking Blaney. Because he's a Ford. Is that fair? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

What do you mean? He's surprised you picked a Ford. Bob just had a second. an idiot. Don't worry. But Legano, like, honestly, like, Lugano has done really well at this track and that's a Ford. Yeah, but just not really, just this year on the intermediate tracks. Don't worry, Casey.

We humbled Freddie, too. That, you know, that I'm just, I'm not sold that they're going to be that strong. So does Ford have a new nose coming next year? Yeah, both Ford and Toyota have new bodies next year. Why would Toyota want a new body, you think? Then the Camry was redesigned, correct? Yep. So

they, they, they're just going to look more like the street car. Chevy. had the option to, but did not because they're still supposedly trying to figure out what brand they're going to rebrand to. Because a Camaro is being discontinued, right? So for the most part. So, uh, and they can continue run the Camero for, I've heard for at least a few years, if not more, but obviously it doesn't really make a lot of, it makes no sense to have something that yeah, it's not in street production. So, so they opted to, and plus obviously they're around well. Where does Bob stay on the strip in Vegas? Um, well, wherever, wherever I get put,

by the company. Where are you typically at? I've been all over. I've been all over. What's your favorite property? My favorite property? Ooh. My favorite property in Vegas.

He's got a sh-h-h-h-hren on his face. He's lost his glasses somewhere. If it's my money, I'm probably staying at like Treasure Island because it's central. But it's not your money. You can move around. If it's not my money, I mean, gosh, you stay at the encore and it's pretty nice. If Bob shows up wearing a turtleneck this weekend, we're going to know that he's at the encore.

So Bob, does that mean? Do you go, like, out at night in Vegas? Can we find you out if we go out after our show? None of your business, Casey. Don't worry about it. Yeah, don't worry about it. No, I want to party with Bob. Are you coming to our show on Friday?

Yeah, you come to the Westgate on Friday? I don't know the, what, expanding practice and qualifying that night. Yeah, it's about 530. It's at 5.30, and I just don't know where I'm going to go over to the Arc of West Race or not. Yeah, I could promise you we'll be more entertaining. I would think that, I would think definitely that your show would be one to see. When I went to do the site check at Westgate, I was literally like, there's Elvis stuff everywhere. So we had a call last week with Mike Davis and his team, and I brought it up on the call,

and I'm like, man, I don't know if you guys know this, but there's going to be Elvis stuff everywhere. So Freddie started doing some digging, and he comes back, and he's like, Like this is where Elvis did like a long residency and that he had the whole top floor. How many square feet you said is? Somebody said like, somebody said like, like, 15,000. So Freddie's like, we got to do a tour of the Elvis suite. I'm like, why don't we just rent it? We just stay there.

Yeah. Why would we tour it? You think there's had it been any fun having that suite? Nah, I doubt it. So anyway, we're excited to go to Vegas. So are you staying in the suite? Did you get it? No, I am at a resorts world for a couple nights.

And then I am staying at Westgate, but I got to talk to him. about that sweet because I didn't know there was such thing. Yeah, we have to find out. I think it might be a little bit of a cost associated. I think I should get that. If anything, I put up to the ball. They don't want to clean it up. Where do you stay, Casey?

I don't know. Where am I staying, Andrew? The Luxor. I bet you're at Mandalay Bay. Uh-uh. I bet you're at Cosmo. South Point. She'll be a South Point.

We're at Cosmo. Well, they were originally one time at that pyramid place, and I got them out of there, thanks to KJ. So now they have you out of the Cosmo. Yeah. Wow. That's good. You're welcome.

Thank you. Cosmo's fun. It's young. It's good. How much money are you taking to Vegas, Casey? Be honest. Or you just take the credit card. How much of Chad's money are you taking?

It depends on... You gamble? I have not. I need to learn. So this might be a lesson that we have this week. Every time we teach somebody how to gamble, we lose and they win. So let's plan on that Thursday night. Who is it?

William. William Byron. Cost me like two grand to have him win. 500. I'm like, listen, I sat down with Clint the first time. That's a mistake. And he borrowed $2,000 from Elliot. And he sat down and he's playing $25 a hand. And I'm like, Clint, $25? Like, really? Freaking guy wins $30,000. $30,000. The first time we'd all play blackjack. Do you show up at the track the next day? Yes, he did. And I lost my ass teaching him how to play blackjack. So Thursday night, you guys are going to teach him. Yeah, I want to get in on this program.

For me and Freddie sat down. This was about three or four years ago. And I was actually getting strep throat and I didn't know it. And we walk into the casino and he had been up and down. I had been mostly up. And he's like, what do you want to play? And I was like, I don't care. What are you going to play?

He's like, three card poker. And I'm like, perfect. Well, three card poker, your play doesn't influence the rest of the table. You're only playing your hand. So I buy in pair plus. I buy in ante and all that stuff. He sits in my seat. He sits right next to him.

He sits. So the way that, you know, I was sitting in the second seat. And I had been telling him, like, we were playing Blackjack and I was losing my ass. I was like, I'm done playing Blackjack. I'm just going to go sit and play three-car poker for a while. It's not, there's no skill to it whatsoever. He just sit there and lose money usually. So he's played playing Blackjack.

And I was sitting there and he comes over and takes the number one seat. So now he's got my hand that I would have had if he didn't sit down. And the first hand. I look at him and I go, you ain't going to believe this. This is straight flush. And he, I don't even know how much money he won, but I wanted, $3,500. And I gave Freddie all the money back that he was down for the night. I'm that nice of a friend.

That's a good guy. But you're an asshole. He would have just showed up one hand later. We could have had, we had more. I love going to Vegas. It's going to be fun. Bob, we wish you a lot of winnings. Thanks for coming on.

Thanks for having. Absolutely. Before we dip out, I did want to say, send our wishes to our friend, which I will guaranteed to butcher her last name. But Shannon McMinimi, I think it is. We know Shannon. She's come to all the events. She unfortunately lost her husband kind of unexpectedly.

They just got married. They've been together for about 10 years, I think, and they had just gotten married. And I knew he was sick and battling cancer, but it sounds like this was kind of unexpected. So best wishes to her. Hopefully see her soon somewhere. We're thinking about you and hopefully see you soon. We are thinking about you. Best wishes to you.

And Casey, don't be late for the show on Friday, please. we're flying in Thursday just because of that make sure you have a key to her room whatever make sure y'all take Wednesday night off y'all take Thursday night off you all take Thursdays

for you guys make sure you all survive since y'all yeah you gotta get there tomorrow somebody's got to get there to have it ready for y'all okay we'll be ready when y'all it would not be you that I would trust no I'm saying these guys have to get there

from the track I don't no I know Brett yeah we can count on you I'm good yeah might be the first time my life. I've said that. Yeah. Really? And the last.

Shots before the show. Casey's buying. Casey, you're buying? All right. It depends on. Chad's buying? It depends on it. I'll call Chad and say thanks.

We'll see y'all out there. Looking forward to it. And y'all have a great week. Hala. Hala. See, how better than me when you do that, Bob? Oh, my God. That was awesome.

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