Door Bumper Clear - 313. Homestead: Too Talented For His Own Good

Episode Date: October 23, 2023

Homestead did not disappoint, and the DBC crew is here to break it all down. Brett Griffin, Freddie Kraft, TJ Majors and Casey Boat have plenty to discuss from Miami as the Championship 4 field begins to take shape. From Christopher Bell's win to Dale Earnhardt Jr's return behind the wheel, the group had a lot of ground to cover.In Spot On Spot Off, should Christian Eckes been penalized for changing lanes on the restart? Did NASCAR wait too long to throw the caution for a tire sitting on pit road in the Xfinity Series race? Was Kyle Larson too aggressive on his pit road entry that left him crashed into the sand barrels? And is Christopher Bell out performing expectations?Plus, the group talks about Chandler Smith's departure from Kaulig Racing, the dynamic of fans rooting for drivers vs race teams, and previews a heavily anticipated Round of 8 cutoff race at Martinsville this weekend.DraftKings State-Specific Problem Gambling Information:In Massachusetts, call [phone] or visit gamblinghelplinema.org, In New York, call 877-8-HOPENY or text HOPENY (467369). In Tennessee and Kansas, Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER. On behalf of Boot Hill Casino & Resort (KS). In West Virginia, Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit www.1800gambler.net. All games regulated by the West Virginia Lottery. Please play responsibly. In partnership with Hollywood Casino at Charles Town Races. In Connecticut, Help is available for problem gambling call 888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org. Licensee partner Golden Nugget Lake Charles (LA). 21+, age varies by jurisdiction. Void in Ontario. See DKNG.co/autoracing for eligibility, terms and responsible gaming resources. Bonus bets expire seven days after issuance. Eligibility and deposit restrictions apply.  Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

The following is a production of Dirty Mode Media. Door. Clear. Clear by two. Pretty shallow entry. Bumper, clear. Hey, everybody. I'm T.J. Major, spotter of the six cup of car.

The 8X finery this weekend. Ed Freddy's here. That's all you did? Yeah. What else is you wanting me to do? I don't know. Usually you're busy. Brett Gref and Spotter Colleg Racing.

What's up? Freddie Crafts, Spotter for Bubba Wallace, Chandler Smith. and Nick lights this week. Hey, guess what, Freddie? What's that, buddy? Casey's got a silly season who she wants to tell everybody. Oh, she's going to tell us. No, I don't.

I was also told that I've been smoking a pack of cigarettes this morning. It's too good to be true. I don't. What is it, Casey, tell us. You're such an ass. You said you were going to talk earlier because you were saving yourself, and here we go. Casey, can you not? I would also like to give a shout up to.

Can you not be loving this week to this morning? Andrew for completing his Ironman. I mean, that's more than any of us. Yeah, a hell of a celebration. Andrew has hickies all over his neck. I don't know what happened. I've got to run in a fucking Iron Man, I guess. I don't know what happens with the finish line of these things,

but looks like Andrews would be getting his neck sucked on for the last two hours. I think for $300 there's better ways to do that. It was from the shape of the foot to. Okay. Okay. Yeah. All I heard this morning was something about strippers and leickeys. That's all I heard.

Yeah, because there's a wet suit to help you get the wetsuit off. So the wet suit, the strippers probably gave me those. How did we do in the Iron Man? We, because we did this all together. We did it. What was the time? It was 537.39. Is that faster or slower than the first Iron Man?

The bike and the run were both significantly faster. And that was actually the first time I ever swam in an Iron Man because the last one got canceled. The swim of the last one got canceled. Oh, sweet. The last Iron Man was a fraud. The last Iron Man was a, it was not a 70.3, it was a 69.1. It took you five hours.

Wait a minute. 69.1. Now the guy's neck. Did he say five hours? Five hours and 30 minutes or something. Did you take a five hour beforehand? No, but a bunch of little caffeine installments throughout the race. Well, sounds like you, uh, DBC fans at the beginning of the run.

Oh, yeah. At the beginning of the run, I like, I'm literally leaving. They gave you a fireball transition? No, they didn't. They didn't. I asked for fireball at the water station, though. Uh, I asked for fireball at the water station, uh, And she yells at DBC.

So I told her I had my pills on me. There's fans everywhere. Oh, really? A bunch of fans. Did your pills contribute to the hickies? It's just, Oh, gosh. That was after the best thing.

They saw him walk by. They were like, I'm sucking on that guy's deck. Is that a shark? What is that? A shark fin? No, it's Andrew swimming. Things I didn't think out here at 9 a.m. Nope.

Oh. Do you think anybody's ever actually looked at Andrew and said, I can't wait to suck on that guy's net? Yeah, I'm sure somebody. somebody somewhere. Brett, what are you trying to say? No chance. Somebody somewhere.

It's been dying to suck on Andrew's neck. There's somebody out there for everybody. Your neck suck are you. You neck suck at some of a bitch you. I mean, come on, Bray. You've had a hickie before. No. Never.

I just know how to get rid of them. Okay. You put crest toothpaste on the end of a toothbrush and you brush it like you brush your teeth and it goes right away. How did you get your first one? I did it to myself. I did it to make and clear with the teeth. what are they called a Hoover vacuum cleaning?

You were practicing. What were you doing with a vacuum cleaner? I just want to see what it felt like. I thought I locked the door, Mom. I'm sorry. I. You didn't even start at this this time. I didn't have anything.

I'm glad we haven't really backed that up at all this week. All right. Well, let's go back to actual important conversations. So two spots have officially been. claimed in the championship four. Do you say the number two again? In the championship four, what do you love that number, don't you? We really love that number, don't you? We're not, we're going to talk about it. Okay, two spots have officially been claimed in the championship for the Cup series. What do you guys think of yesterday's race? I love that number. What did you guys think of yesterday's

race? That was too long. It was too long for you. It got long. Oh my gosh. What happened to you? They got wrecked. When you were second, third, three laps down, what happened? They got wrecked. Well, first of all, we pitted and we were just finished our pit stop and going around, and that's when Larson decided to KO the barrels. So you're pretty much. Oh, we got pinned and got the free pass, and we were going,

making up ground, getting on the top three wide, and one of the guys. Third two is a tough deal for you this weekend. Yeah. Turn two, the number two. Oh, man, it's terrible. Turn two. Who wreck you? Yeah.

Which time? Which day? The start wheel. Saturday was the guy that owns all this stuff. Sunday. We know who. John Hunter decided to crowd everybody up the racetrack for 28th and just washed. I think it was Ross in the middle and we were up, we were up top three wide or something.

We might have got four. You were the middle. Ross was top, I think. Ross was somebody. Ross was top of one, yeah, you're right. Yeah, you were outside of John Hunter. He squeezed. Because Ross went to the fence.

Yeah, we were middle, I think. And the day before we were up against the wall. And, yeah, I just squeezed up. Just, I don't know, man. But I'm not surprised. But it is what it is. It's racing. It gets tight over there.

But you got to know. You got to know when not to go up any higher. So were you good in practice on Saturday? Yeah. So was Bush or not good in practice? Uh, average. I mean, I saw you were running second. He was getting lapped, you know, when I turned the TV on there at stage one.

I was like, man, that sucks for Busher to miss it. Yeah, they, they struggled there a little bit last year, too, and, um, not really sure why. Most of the time our cars run together. Yeah, that's the first time I've seen that big of a, just, you know, disparity between your two cars. And Chris wasn't terrible. Like, he just hadn't, didn't have a lot of fire off speed, but then, like, late in the run, we would be running, I don't know, we weren't very good to be the first half of the race. we would be running like 15th. He'd be a lap down, but he would go by us.

You know, so he wasn't awful, but he just got trapped in that first run, lost a lap, and that's the end of the day really. If you lose a lap in the first run and you don't get the free pass right then. Like, I'm telling you, the king of this, king of doing this, the beginning of the year was Legano. He would get a lap that first run of the race, but he'd get the free pass or be run right on the edge of it, and then they would rebound from there,

but it's definitely tough. There's guys that were really good that got lapped early. Another guy in that scenario was like a bowman. there's a handful of his pit box right i don't know yeah i think he had a pit problem yeah but he wasn't like he wasn't fast no and but there's it's it's tough if you get a lad man then then you're if a if a good group of cars gets lab it's even harder because then you got to race them guys and it's crazy to me like talking about how close you guys normally are and how different you were yesterday even the hendricks side of it the five and 24 hauled ass ran top five all day yeah you never

saw the nine and 48 all day they were back there by us but for the most of the you know majority of the race Yeah, we were good there. Brad was good last year as well, and we were able to, we were able to come back and have speed. I thought we were in practice, I felt like we were second to Blaney in long run stuff. Blaney was lights out fast. But, yeah, I feel like we were really good. We just got pinned from that caution. We were running, we were probably seventh place, sixth, seventh place.

We were going to probably cycle out to fifth if Larson doesn't knock the barrels all over the place. And we were okay. I mean, I feel like we would have finished between, depending on the, restart in the time we would have finished between fourth and eighth probably so but you know we lost a little bit speed as the race went on but another strong run though yeah we were the exact opposite we ran like hell all day long and then finished sixth somehow yeah well a lot of guys look how many cars got like we got better we we took time at one point to just they wholesaled it on pit road I think it was the I think it was the barrels caution we just sat there when they went wholesale changes and well you gained

a lot of track position yeah yeah we were probably like 16 17th and gained we 12th restarted, you know, came out of the pits last, so we restarted about 16, 17, 17, but then our car was better where we could drive up and gain spots on restarts. That was our big struggle all day. It was, you know, one above his strong points is obviously restarts, and we couldn't go anywhere on restarts until the very end. So we've salvaged a decent day out of it. But I think the biggest thing I took away from yesterday is we need to change the schedule next year. We need to get homestead, the hell away from Phoenix. So people don't have this vivid memory of how great this race was and how racy this place is where we could be running the championship race at before we go out there and follow. each other around for a couple hours. Yeah, this race is, this racetrack still, even, even with the cup car, Xfinity car, no matter what car you put on this track, it just produces. It's got, you know, the wall is a, you know, you say Larson, you know, should be the favorite, but guess what he did? Running to the wall.

I mean, by himself he hit it. I don't know if you saw it on, saw anything, but he hit the wall by himself, you know, and there's always, it's a craft, man, to be able to, and I'm not talking about Freddie. You know, it's a, it's a skill to be able to run up there. do that. Like I, it takes you a while, like, watching, like, Brad was probably one of the highest on entries to turn one. I mean, there's times I'm like, oh, God, we're hitting it. We're hitting it. And then he wouldn't hit it. I'm like, how do you do that lap after a lap after a lap? And to see the guys that can do it is, it's impressive to see them. But I'm going to tell you what ain't impressive.

If you are not in a playoff, you're not on TV. Yeah. It is, if you're a fan of a driver that's not in that playoff. And listen, there's 30 more drivers out there that aren't in it. Yeah. Holy cow. If you, if you're not in the playoff or Kevin Harvick yesterday, nobody knew you were in the race. There was somebody. And that's a shame because to start of the season, I told Burton to start the deal, I said, man, I feel like where Fox was struggling and where you guys are doing great is you cover the whole field, not yesterday. I seen the tweet, and I don't know if it was you or John on couch racer, but somebody that should have been talked about a lot yesterday that probably didn't get mentioned was A.J. Almondinger. He got mentioned at the very end. Like he, he,

ran really well. He had a lot of speed. I mean, he finished third there last year, finished fourth there yesterday was fast. Like he was, and I was thinking about that the whole time. I'm like, this guy probably, you probably don't even know this guy's in a race and he's having a phenomenal, terrific, marvelous day. Yeah, it was, it was painful yesterday. So Brett, when you put together sponsorship packages, like, I mean, I do the same thing. What does that tell you for playoff races?

Are you charging more because you have a better chance of getting the playoffs or how does that work from a team standpoint? I mean, we all know from an activation standpoint, Phoenix is a big. because it's the finale, right? Whether you're in the playoff or not, it's still the finale. So it's a big championship race weekend to do things around. But you, listen, this isn't about sponsorship, Casey, and I not feel where you're coming from. But as a fan, if you're a driver, if your driver is not in a – if you're a Bubba Wallace fan yesterday, if you're a Brett Keselowski fan yesterday, you don't even know they're in the race.

That's just a shame. They've got to fix that. There's more to just seven or eight guys being out there. Man, it was – and I don't know how – obviously – I can't watch any of them. TV, but I mean, the Saturday races, there's a lot of stuff happening in those Saturday races. You know, you had playoff guys just not having a good day. Nick's too fast, like two guys that I thought could go to homestead and contend, Nick Sanchez and especially Christian Eckus, they go there, Sanchez runs into a guy coming to pit road, knocks, you know, kills the left

front of his truck, ends his day, essentially. He only misses by a couple points. And then you had Echis, who speeds on pit road. Obviously had an earlier penalty, we'll talk about later, but speeds on pit road ends his day. You got the 38. They're doing everything they can. Obviously, they got the windshield about ready to fall in on Zane, but they're hauling ass at the same time. And then Rich Luscious makes the Hail Mary call of the year where we talked about this last week with Small, James Small, you know, you look like an idiot, but you could turn around and look like a genius. Like the same thing. Now, Rich looks like a genius, but if the caution comes out any time in them last 58 laps, Ben Rhodes is done. You know, he's got no tires left. But

What a hell-marry call for Rich and banning that team. And it created some really cool drama. Is he going to win? Can he stay out front? Yeah, he pit. So he drives back, you know, essentially what happened was he came and put his last of the tires on with 58 to go. I think it was. And then he's just committed to, I'm going to stay out because we knew everybody else is going to pit.

It's just faster to two stop there, or one stop, I should say. And he's just committed to, I'm going to stay out. So then he had, I think with 30 to go, he had like a 30-second lead. But it was cool, though. Yeah, and here it is. Can you come run me down? And they ran him down, but he was not going to be a third place truck in the race, or second place, I guess he finished.

And he did because, you know, he finished there because of that call and because guys couldn't get to him. So, I mean, kudos to Rich for that. I mean, Rich has only been there, what, like three or four weeks now, like or races, I should say? Yeah, they got switched to the middle of the playoffs. So, I mean, awesome to see that deal pay off. But I thought there was two really fast guys that had an opportunity to get themselves

to the final four and they both made really big mistakes yesterday. TJ, I got to know because Freddie probably can't comment. Was Reddick's car as ugly from the roof as it was on TV? Yeah, it was weird. From a distance, you were like, who is that car? What is that? It was like a drunk zebra running around out there. I don't know if it was that, but it was definitely, it took me a handful of times to figure out,

okay, that's 45, that's 45. Even your car a couple times, I had to look twice and be like, You know how some people wear shirts and you look at the print and it starts messing with your eyes? I feel like that's what that called it. You see a different image when he keeps looking at it. Freddie, shout out to you. I mean, matching your car with your haircut, that was a real win for you. My haircut?

I mean, the one that you posted. I don't know what your hair officially looks like. You look like that mushroom guy from Mario Bros. That one, that's what I was going for. Right behind you. Yeah. Look at that good looking stuff. Yeah, but we need the mushroom guy.

Unfortunately, I took it. I should have just left it like that, but I didn't. I can't believe he didn't. That's pretty weak. I don't know if you should have left it. You should have just faded that right up. Look at the growing up background laughing. Did you see her?

That was the girl cut in my ear, I think. Yeah, she's laughing. How about a boss man, Gil Jr. with the top five finish on Saturday? Yeah, how about he had to wreck his teammate to do it. I wasn't going to bring that up. He didn't want to feel left out of the group. I mean, he found out how strong the magnets are in the J.R.M.

cars they find each other every week. Yeah, it's crazy, isn't it? Oh, this is what y'all been talking about in those team debriefs. I wonder y'all keep hitting each other. Yeah, I was hoping, I was hoping, you know, to get a, I don't know, to get a, we were having a, there's plenty of, you know how many things I had written, typed and was going to send, but I didn't. Just say it, man. I don't, like, I wanted to get, um.

A gift card. Well, that too. I got a couple of them, not really. But, uh, we should have got like, like, LW or somebody to send us a message, you know, and like, like a voice, hey, you know, disappointed. you got wrecking the cars. And listen, I do, we're going to give him hell about it. But he came out afterwards and said that he didn't know he was out there.

Who was spot for? Joey. But Joey said it. And this is what we talk about about, you know, who's the best spotter. And there's no such thing as the best spotter because there's different fits. You get so used to, like Bubba gets so used to me that back in the day when we had a switch out for, you know, non-companion rates or something. He hated it just because it was a different, you know, a different voice on the radio. And Dale's so used to, how many years have you been spotting for Dale?

over 10. Yeah. So he's so used to TJ's voice. TJ's cadence, Joey is a phenomenal spotter. But, you know, he gives a lot of information. And if you're not keen on trying to process all that information at once, it's easy to get lost in the scramble of exactly what's going on around you. And, you know, that's just maybe not a great fit.

But Joey said he was out there. Dale didn't know he was out there. So there's a, you know, lost in translation there somewhere. And it's just unfortunate. He definitely told him that he was there. but his on restarts, I can tell you right now that Dell Jr. is not worried about the guy on the inside down here in the middle of the corner.

So you kind of leave that guy out sometimes because you're not going hanging a left. You're not going left on the exit of the corner. You're going up the racetrack. Yeah, when you get off the X of the corner right before you get to the X, you let him know he's there so he doesn't move on the straightaway. But he definitely gave him the info that he was there. But I can tell you right now, if you don't emphasize on like stuff with him

that's coming like three back, two back. back when you don't if you don't your your octave gets a little bit higher and because sometimes i'm not even sure he's listening to the words he just hears you getting louder and he he knows the guy's coming there so he knows by the by the level of your voice the tone of your voice and for he after hearing it's got that's what he's probably used to hearing it's just it's cadence and it's pitch and we have it you know we fight it with the NASCAR officials when we get a new race director sometimes you know they have the same cadence so you know tim burman is you know pit road is closed move the wave arounds we're one to go at the line the next guy's pit road is closed

then we wait a lap and it's you know the cadence gets off and we're all looking around going are we want to go we not like it screws us up so you know it's just it's a bubba's always said to me it's just a comfort thing like i'm not obviously i don't think i'm the greatest spotter in the history of the world but like for bubba it's it's a comfort thing for him because he knows what i'm going to say he knows when i key up or how i'm talking like you said to picture your voice or or or you know how elevates you get if something's going on or not so i mean it's not i know he said he didn't know he was out there but it's not that joey didn't tell him it's just you know yeah there's he didn't he didn't listen he wasn't listening for sure not that that that that that's that i've ever dealt

with that with him but um you know they're like spotters there are there are some that that that you can give info to your driver and the driver wants to use that you want to see line you want you tell them different lines and stuff and there's a lot of spiders that that that's not in their they don't do that that that's not in their you know what what they do and but there's a lot of guys like Brad wants to know where guys running. Brad wants to know what techniques they're doing. Like if you see a guy going on the high side, turn to the middle on next, you tell your guy if you see him make up ground over, you used to look at his lap time, okay, that was two-tenths faster. Maybe we should be doing that. You know, there's, they're saying that you're always

suggesting and stuff. And a lot of it you talk about during the week with your driver. Like, there's probably not much that me and Brad don't cover during the week as far as line-wise, how the race played out, what techniques to try. There's probably not a lot. We don't cover. but they want to hear it during the race. But yeah, there's no doubt that Joey Meyer gave him all the info. It just didn't translate to what he couldn't paint the picture. He didn't understand the pitcher. So you guys alluded to a lot of spotter changes coming next year that haven't been announced yet.

How, I mean. At least two. Comfort wise. Comfort wise, how does that work? You know, how do you prep for that, especially coming into the season when you're used to a certain spot? and obviously that's changing. It can make Daytona 500 interesting, Casey, like, because you get there and we don't have all those testing and practices

and you show up basically and run the duels, and it's a new voice, it's a new technique, and I promise you they're not going to do it the same way your last spotter did. Doesn't mean they're better, doesn't mean they're worse, but it's going to be different. So as spotters up there, we're aware of that, right? So you just got to really spend a lot of time with your driver, understand what he needs, understand what's important.

To TJ's point, you know, I spotted from Michael Walter at one time, and he was tight at Michigan. He said, I don't want to hear inside the rest of the race. So you just got to have that relationship where you can adapt on the fly and be able to help each other. And it's definitely a challenge when you... I mean, look, I showed up with Jeff Burton,

had never spotted for the guy, and we won the qualifying race of Daytona. It doesn't mean you're going to struggle. We didn't win another fucking race all year, by the way, but we won the first one. But it comes down to just that synergy that Freddie was kind of talking about. Should be interesting.

I mean, the biggest thing I took out of that, uh, exfinity race was Sam Mayer. Like, where's this guy come from? Yeah. I mean, he, he's struggling. And I shouldn't say that because he's always had speed, but he made a lot of mistakes early in the year. And even through the middle part of the year, you know, the first race of the playoffs. I think he wrecked on lap one. Where were we at? I can't remember what Texas. Texas. Um, you know, so he's to battle back from that now being a championship four. Um, you know, I think he's kind of learned from mistakes and kind of figured out that, you know, if I just hang around here long enough, good stuff happens and I can find myself, where I need to be.

And another thing is with that, that team is a lot of the guys from the nine car. You know, it's Marty Lindley, crew chief, but a lot of the engineers and stuff are from the nine car last year. And they, the nine cars dominated homestead. Like whether it was Byron, Reddick, it's weird. Noah would run against the fence. And Sam didn't run against the fence a ton. Yeah.

I mean, he did late in the runs. And that's where I think he found speed. Late in the runs, I've seen the first run. He kind of hovered around 10th. And then all of a sudden he drove up and was probably going to win the stage if there was a few more laps, but just credit to him for figuring it out here, and then he goes, so he carries a lot of momentum into Phoenix. I watched Sam in practice, and he went out behind Josh, and he wouldn't run against the fence, and he just, he got, he lost ground to us, but he just didn't, I think

he knew if he went up there that early, he was probably going to get in trouble, but he got better, he did the weekend perfect, man. He got better as the weekend went on, and as he took advantage of what was handed to him in the race and made it work. I mean, he, he's definitely, improved and I'm honestly not surprised he's in the championship for it now. You better be glad Riley Hurstain in this playoff. Man's on fire lately. I don't know what they found, quote unquote, found at Vegas, but they have carried that over to Homestead and they were fast.

Two, three more laps. I mean, and the double zero was the class of the field. Riley was fast earlier this year, though, too. He had some, you know, he had a first couple. Was he win by 15 seconds? No. T. No.

I'm saying for Riley, he had a really. great start to the year. Then he fell off for a couple months and now he's got lots of Steve. He fell off for a couple of years. And all of a sudden the last two weeks, this son bitch is on fire. You tweeted he's the best driver in the experience series. It was right after he resigned for next year too. People are so damn dumb. Like Jeff Burton texts me after the race. He goes, man, people are upset about your tweet. You're saying Riley's the best driver in series. They don't agree with you. And I was like, what an idiot. They've never heard of sarcasm. So, look, but honestly, I'll both sides. Riley Herbst is flying the last two weeks.

weeks. Yeah. You can't deny it. Fast cars go fast. Fast cars go fast. They do. Looking at the championship for. For Xfinity, we don't have that sheet. We didn't get that. Well, if you look on your phone. Well, you can share. There's one sheet that made it through the printer. The printer is a printer jammed this morning. Oh, here it is. I got it. He was a little busy this morning, guys. Freddie, why don't you tell us? Awesome Hills plus three all guys. Where you get that? I're only one. There's only one copy of this. Guys, can you believe this is only one One printer at J.R.M. John Hunter is up 44.

Cole Custer up three. Austin Hill up three. Allgeyer on the bubble. Mine is three. Sammy Smith, minus 49. Chandler Smith, 54. And Sheldon. Who wins Marzell?

Chandler Smith. Duh. Is he good there? Oh, we're good to pissing people off there. That's what I remember from the first race. But, I mean, he'll be okay. Good. I remind Josh.

One guy gets in on points. You agree with that? I'll remind Josh how Chandler was the beginning of the year. I don't agree with that because I think Josh Barry could very easily win this race. Somebody like Barry could steal a point. Mayor is really good at Martinsville. He could steal a spot there, or not steal a spot, but open it up for two guys. What about Allgaier?

Algar is, I don't think, I don't know, I don't remember him being stellar at Martinsville. He's Mr. Phoenix. So I promise you, Sam Mayor and John Hunter don't want him in there. Oh, for sure. Yeah, Justin, that's a weird spot for mayor because you need to help your teammate, but there's no way I'd help Justin Algar. So there was an interesting thing that happened in this race, and I was, I really didn't know where to bring it up in the show, but while we're talking about the Xfinity guys,

I'll bring it up now. So Cole Custer, I thought NASCAR screwed up royally, and I still don't know how I feel about it even after this. I went to them yesterday and talked to one of the race directors and got an explanation on it. And so Custer hits the wall and turn four. All right. Cuts your tire, hits the wall. It's on DVP.

Undergreen. Undergreen. Stay's green. He, you know, he can't get the pit road because it's too high on the racetrack. He comes slow down the front stretch with a right front flat, nurses it back around, comes down pit road, gets a penalty, too many men over the wall. The penalty was a little bit. I mean, it was a cut and dry rule because they had an opening in front of their stall and the crew chief put one foot out to catch a tire. So it's, you know, that's a legit penalty.

So I get back to thinking and I said, well, if it's a penalty on DVP for too many men over the wall, it should be a two-lap penalty, not a drive-thru like he did. I was like, oh, that's interesting. So then I, so before I went to NASCAR, I talked to my own team about it, JR and Booty. And I said, hey, listen, this is what happened yesterday before I sound like an idiot and a hauler, make sure I'm right. And I said, you know, he hits the wall, DVP, comes down pit road, too many men over the wall, just a pastor instead of a two-lap penalty. I'm like, that's not right. And they said, well, you get an extra man over the wall. You're allowed to have an extra man over the wall if you're on DVP.

This is hard to follow. Just stick with me. So now I'm like, okay, well, wait a minute now. Then he got screwed because he shouldn't have got a penalty at all. If he just had one extra man over the wall, it should have just been straight through no penalty. So now I'm like, now I'm really confused. So I go to the official and I said, here, one of these two things happened. Either this guy got screwed or this guy got really lucky.

It should have been a two-lap penalty or no penalty, not a past. through. And the explanation I got was that he hit the wall in turn four, cut his tire, slowed down down the front stretch, but the minimum speed is so jacked up at this place. And he referenced a couple road courses that were similar that he still cleared the DVP clock by making minimum speed crossing the line with a right front flat. On the lap that he made contact with the wall. On the lap that he crashed. Should you be allowed to clear minimum speed on the lap that you This has already happened. With Blaney?

Yeah. It was kind of similar. It was under yellow, I think. It was coming to yellow. But that's what that's, but my point is now, like you're, you're opening up, I feel like you're opening up a huge can of worms here by, you know, if we wreck at anywhere, you're coming down to tri-oval and how many times you've seen a guy wreck off a four coming down to trial over and slide through the grass or slide to the front straightaway, if it's still green,

even, I don't know what the rule is. If it's yellow or green, Bob's going to have to text me about this, but you shouldn't be able to clear the clock when you're wrecking. Think about Ross. He would have brought the caution out with a hellmellon and broke the track record on the same lap. Yeah. I don't know. I don't think you should be able to clear the clock on the lap that you crash.

Like you should have to make it again. I don't know. I don't know what the right answer is. The following lap under green should be the lap that you clear it, not the lap of. This is like reviewing a chicane penalty. You should be able to, you should have one lap to review it if it's there. And listen, I don't envy the person that's on charge of DVP at a place like Homestead because, I mean, somebody's hitting the wall every lap there, and then you're, how are you judging?

What's, you know, I mean, it's, it's got to be a hard job. But I just, it, the explanation, I didn't love it. Maybe the clock shouldn't, you shouldn't be on DVP until you actually sit. Like go to the pit road. Until you get your stall. Yeah. Like, you know, start, finish, like cross the pit. Yeah, because if you park in your stall and you say, that's when the clock should start,

because then you're working on it. Yeah, I don't, it's, it's a weird deal. And it's a little catch 22. And I guess the way Bob's going to have to. confirm we'll get a text from Bob in the morning. But it's a weird deal that worked out. I want to say it worked out his favor, but it really didn't because it should have been, I feel like a clock should have been cleared and he should have been able to get an extra

man and not got a penalty. And you see him, he's three points to the good, which a terrible break for him. I don't know. It didn't look like he hit the wall hard enough to cut the tire. It looked like maybe the tire went down first, but, you know, tough break for Cole. I really like Cole. We had a similar instance in the cup race of kind of a first. I don't remember this ever happening before.

We were second car a lap down. It was the one and then the six. Oh, yeah. And they gave us the free pass because the one got passed after the yellow came out. Like, I guess he was coming off pit road. The leader rolls by him. The yellow comes out.

The leader passes him at speed or slow, you know, and then you can't speed up and go back past him. The rule is the lucky dog is the first car lap down at time of caution. So when the caution comes out, the six is the first car lap down. Then they lap the one after that. So it's just a bad break on their point. It was. The three months wins in this race, Sammy Smith, Chandler Smith, Sheldon Creed, a fight for

fourth potentially. Colchust, Rosson Hill, Justin Hogarth if anybody else wins. It's crazy. A lot of drama, Martinsville, Expendity Series. How about Cubs series? You got Denny and Martin, who would have thought they'd be fighting for their lives in this championship for as well? I mean, the last month and a half.

But Denny? Martin. Yeah. I mean, Martin's first four finishes the playoffs where he had none better than the 17th. And then the next race, he didn't, what was the Roval maybe or whatever? I don't know. He finished right in the same ballpark. I mean, this is Martin, that 19 team just falling off.

His playoffs went ugly for them. Yeah. Like, I can't even believe they're still in it, honestly. But he's a stud at Martinsville. Yeah, they named it after him. Yeah. I mean. It's pretty solid.

I mean, I heard people say yesterday this is a must win for these guys. guys. It's not. I mean, it's a must win for Busher. But, you know, the first race there this year, now it's not going to be easy. Blaney averages 37.8 points in the last five races there. I went back and looked. But the first race this year, Danny finished fourth, Blaney finished seventh. Denny made up 14 points in that race just by Blaney didn't have any stage points. Denny finished like eighth and third or eighth and fourth into two stages. So it's not impossible. If Denny can go up there or Martin, either one, and make, you know, get a bunch of stage points. And Blaney doesn't get a lot of stage points and then just beat them, you know, if you beat them by seven spots all day

long, that's 21 points. So if you're Blaney, are you going for stage points? You better. Yeah, you have to, you have to maximize the day. And you're going to see that's the way, which by the way, Chris Gaphardt, I thought, did a phenomenal, marvelous, terrific, outstanding job calling the race yesterday because we see a lot of monkey see monkey do, especially at a place like Homestead, Darlington, where somebody pits and everybody follows them. And Gabehart stayed loyal to the fact that I'm going to run, I'm going to split these stages in half. off because, you know, a lot of guys pit around 30 to 32. They ran to about 40, so then they had about eight lap better tires, and they netted positions, I think, every stage. You know,

they came in, they'd be running eighth or ninth, drive back to seventh. Then they were coming like six or seventh, drive back to fourth in the last stage. Then they're sitting there second on the, after the pit stop on the last, you know, to start the last stage. So I thought Chris did a really good job yesterday, but, you know, you're going to, you're going to see this play out this week where they're going to essentially have to do the opposite of the 12. Like if the 12 is going to follow them for stage. We see a caution before stage, and you see the 12s are going to stay out or short. You know, he's going to stay out there for points, and you're only going to gain one on them.

You might as well flip the stage and go for the race win. So it'll be interesting to see how that plays out. But, yeah, I think the 12 has got to do everything he can to maximize his points. I think the pressure starts for these guys with qualifying as a driver. Because you spend all week knowing if you don't qualify well, you're in a hole, potentially for stage one and two, definitely for stage one. But if you're sitting here looking at this thing, Ryan Blaney, Tyler Reddick, Martin Truex, Denny Hamlin. If they don't qualify well, they're going to have to go in a must-win.

Yeah. And on top of all just track position, it's a pit selection. Pits selection is a big deal at Martinsville. And I don't want to write Tyler off. I think, like I said, last week on here, this week was Tyler's chance to really cement himself in there and then maybe have to play a little defense at Martinsville. He'll be good there. But I just think that he's going to have to, it's an uphill battle for him more so than guys like Danny and Martin that have been proven winners at that track. Experience the thrill of the racetrack. like you're in the driver's seat with Draft King's Sportsbook. Bet on your favorite racers and feel the rush of every pass,

pit stop and victory like never before. Right now, new customers can turn five bucks into 200 instantly in bonus bets. Bet five on anything to score big no matter what goes down on the track. Here we go, TJ. Martinsville this week, somebody's looking to punch their ticket to Phoenix. Yeah, Martinsville, it's going to be a great race, and you never know what's going to happen at the end there. I've been a part of some bump and runs there and ended up pretty well for me.

So I'm excited to see what the action is going to be on the track. Yeah, Stevie and the boys on Dirty Modell. They'll have the stats for you, but what they can factor in is who's going to knock who out of the way late in the race there. So it'll be interesting to check that out, see some of the favorites are. But it's going to be a while weekend. With props, parlay is it more. There will be action to follow all race long.

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21 plus age varies by jurisdiction. Void in Ontario. C.D.K.N. dot co slash auto racing for eligibility terms and responsible gaming resources bonus bets expire seven days after issuance eligibility and deposit restrictions apply let's move into spot on spot off spot on spot off spot off spot off spot off it was super fun yesterday to ride around there and i am spot off damn where do you come from First topic, Christianakis is penalized by NASCAR for changing lanes too soon on a restart in the truck series race. Spot on, spot off, Freddie.

Man, I want to say spot off. I was told also to clarify this a little bit. He wasn't penalized for changing lanes. He was penalized for laying back. That's not what they called, though. I know, but I guess somebody went and talked afterwards and said it was actually for the laying back, not the changing. lanes. That's what I was told. How could you call a penalty for changing lanes and then change your mind what the penalty was later? Well, I mean, he probably did both of them. They just chose that

one at the time. Listen, which one did they say over the radio? Changing lanes. That's what matters. So, you know, if you go back and look at this replay, it's as close as it can get. And I'm fine with it. But the problem is, it don't sound like it. You're setting, well, no, I'm good. I'm good with it. But I'm not going to be good with it after the next two weeks because you're setting a precedent. going to two places where this happens every restart that if somebody, we just talked about this last week with Regan, you know, you're penalized, they penalized the 11. I'm sorry,

they penalized the 19 when they easily probably could have penalized the 11 because they both moved at the same time. But you're penalizing him for being half a car out of line at the start finish line. He didn't break the plane of a bumper. He was changing lanes, quote unquote, by the letter of the law, he was starting to change lanes just before the start finish line. But he did not get completely out of the bumper.

a line. He was a half a car out of line, probably at the start, finish line, and then had the momentum to get outside of him just after the start finish line. But we're going to Martinsville and Phoenix, where this happens every restart. Dr. Divebaum. And you better now hold to this, which I guess now you don't have, you, you open the door to get out of it because now you're going to change, you're going to claim that the penalty was for something else. But you're, this, it annoys me to no end to hear that they changed their mind and the penalty was for something. We can't assume they change their mind. That's your saying.

Like, so it's just like we're going to, like we talked about last week, Brett on here, Phoenix is the king of. King of Adelaide. I mean, look at Ross Chastain and Chase Elliott last year. Yeah. Like so. I got a picture of Ty Gibbs is way below the line before there. So listen, if you're going to call it that tight, that's fine, but you better call it that

tight moving forward. You've set the precedent this week and probably, you know, put this kid in the hole for his playoff future, you know, and obviously he spent on pit road and ruined his day. But you put him in a hole where he, he probably had to be a little bit of panic mode to a second half of the race because of this penalty. So now you need to call this consistently moving forward. I'm spot on for it because this is actually consistent

from what I've seen with. They did the same thing to Jesse Love at Kansas. He was out. I've got a video picture of it as well. He was halfway out with a run. I don't know if they actually penalize you. I know they said it was for changing lanes. I don't know if they actually penalize you.

If someone slams on their brakes and you move a little bit to miss him, but you don't gain anything. But if you have a run, you're halfway changing lanes and you have momentum to get to the guy, they're probably going to call it because the Jesse did the same thing at Kansas. He laid back a little bit,

got running the truck race, and he started moving. I mean, he was moving before the start finish line, and that's what the role says. No changing lanes, and he had momentum. Like I said, I don't think, you know, guys get checked up, something misses a shift, you move out,

you get back and you don't get anything. I'm not sure they call that. But if you do both of those things, and combine with each other, I think you're getting called for it. And I'm fine with that. Yeah, just stay with it. As long as it happens moving forward. There's probably some that were missed, and I know there's some that are missed,

and if it's going to be police like that, it needs to be pretty strict. Like, you know, if your guy's going to move, he's moving, penalize him. I mean, there was some times this year where Loudon, Chandler, your guy, below that he's moving. I don't know. I didn't figure it in. I got a picture of it, too, if you want to see it. Nope. I'm sitting there looking at it.

He's no further out than what Christian probably was, and he's got momentum making a pass. Listen, if you watch that replay at the same exact time, the 11 and the 19 who's on the bottom, split. But is this a race director thing, or is it everyone? It's a judgment call. Y'all know this. I know, but is it like surprised? Is it like just the race director's judgment call? Absolutely.

Okay. So, I mean, I guess it's like, I don't think it's the committee. I think it's the committee. The committee's back. Yeah. Because they don't call to me. It's called, you know, a lap or later or whatever it, half a lap, whatever it is. They have a committee meeting up there and talk about it.

Because I think it's at the end of the day. Wayne was probably mad. Well, it's the series director's calling him. He wasn't there. So Wayne Otten's now making that call. Wouldn't you need to have multiple people looking on this if you're a race director and you have a whole field that you have to look at? Should be one person.

But somebody else should be keeping an eye on it. I mean, you're one person. Freddie, do you think that you can keep track of the. higher field. You can't. You need more than one person to be watching. But the call should be one person's call. Just hold on a minute.

If you bring me the video, Casey, it should be my call. It should not be a call. Agreed, but you just said that you were delayed. He was delayed in saying it, which meant that he needed somebody to share that. They're the ones who said they have a committee. I'm saying that that's how you know that it's discussed. Like it's, it's, nobody's going to see everything. But when it should be brought to one person.

I'm not the one that said they had a committee. Casey, they said it. Don't be mad at me. Well, you can tell when something's happening because you restart's under review. Yeah. You know what I mean? That's whenever you're waiting for it. So most of time, that's front row stuff.

And you're in that situation, you're hyper focused on it probably because you know the guys in front of them stayed out on old tires. So you know there's going to be some movement here. You know, this is what we're going to focus on. Yeah. That was. It was a good call. I mean, it was they were trying to win the race. If the costa comes out, any point.

Near the end of the race, he's going to win. Well, on a similar topic, NASCAR waits to throw the caution for a tire sitting on pit road late in the Xfinity Series race. Spot on, spot off, TJ. Was this after I was out? Probably. It was the last caution, I think. It was the tire sitting on the outside of pit road. Yeah, I mean, I was probably driving in my car, so I didn't see it.

So we have a green flag cycle, and that, you have a green flag cycle. and I wish I knew how many laps it was. I would have, without going back. I think Joel knows. Joel said it was 25. I don't know that it was 25. It was a long time. It was not two.

I can tell you that much. It was more than five, probably more than 10. We had a green flag cycle and a tire must have got away and rolled out against the outside wall. And then we ran and ran and ran until the 11 car, who was on a different strategy and everybody because he burned a set of tires. He pit and somebody else pit. There's a couple guys that were staying out that we're probably trying to catch a caution.

And then as soon as they cycle through, we do the yellow flag. So the cycle was allowed to finish before the caution was thrown. Yes. And I have a problem with that because we've talked about on here before. This is not an entertainment flag. This is a caution flag. And if that tire out there is unsafe at lap 15 of a run, it's unsafe at lap one of that run. Whenever that tire goes out there, if you deem that that's unsafe, throw the caution flag then.

I don't care. You screw, you screw. What the situation is on the racetrack. Those are the brakes. That's what happens. Sometimes, you know, people stay out and catch cautions. That's what happens in our sport. People drive, you know, Sheldon Creed, Pitt, hoping to catch a caution late.

I didn't get one. The sand was a big deal. I think we should have kept racing. But, you know, it's, we beat this horse to death on here. But it's, if that is a caution, it is a caution the second it happens. Not a caution 10 laps later. And I don't think it's, we've seen it before. If you're going to be consistent, you've got to throw that caution because you're not

going to send somebody out there to get the tire while we're under green. because God knows what could happen. It was fairly close to the end of pit wall too. I think it was only, I don't know, eight or nine stalls in. So, you know, it's fairly close to the end of pit wall. So somebody could slide down there

and we've seen what happened with Larson. So you don't want to do that on your green. But as soon as that thing's sitting out there, you see it, and you know, they've seen it. There's how many officials on pit road, you got cameras everywhere.

It's hard to see from the booth. I'll give you that. You know, I couldn't see it up against the wall from the tower. But you've got to throw the caution. I just, though, I don't think you should throw the caution, for it at that point.

Sitting out there by the wall like that, like nothing is going to go there. I think you have to throw the caution because if somebody comes down pit road and God forbid that thing moves and you hit it and launch it into a pit box, you're going to hurt a lot of people. I have no problem with throwing that caution. But you need to throw the caution when it happens if you deem that that's unsafe. I just know that there's a lot of room for a tire to get away on a pit stop for a car that don't matter just to get a caution for somebody else.

I get it. What are you doing that point? You have to throw the yellow. It's unsafe. This is not a race altar flag. This is a caution flag. And it goes back to consistency too. I mean, they call it for every other race.

The caution flag is caution. Like something's wrong. Something's happening. It's for safety purposes. It's not for, hey, you know what? We're going to let this pit cycle play out. Then we'll throw the yellow. That's not the way this should go.

Brett. I disagree with T.J. because the tire is out there. It is a large piece of debris. It is in a groove where it could be in contact with another truck. Is it likely no? But if it's out there, it's out there. This is black and white.

It should not be a let's save somebody's race. Man, we have debris drop the caution. We see this happen all the time. It doesn't matter if it's on the racetrack on pit road. They don't want to have a complete cluster for fuck on their hands, on their computers, on the television, and slow the race down for 12 minutes because they don't know who belongs where on the racetrack.

If they throw a caution, Casey, and people are coming on pit road, leaving pit road, sitting on pit road, and under green, holy confusion. So they're trying to save that, but to the integrity of the game, I agree when you see it, you throw it. And to me, that goes back to exactly what we just said. That should be one person's decision. And I said in the NASCAR hauler with these two guys sitting beside me a long time ago, that we don't even know who's calling the shots in these races.

Because we don't know who to come to talk to after the fact. And this goes back to that. So I don't want to sit here and bitch about it anymore because Freddie bitched about enough for me and T.J. And Brandon and Andrew and you, but I do agree when you see it, you throw it. And who you screw, you screw. Spot on, spot off. Kyle Larson didn't need to be as aggressive trying to catch Blaney

coming on to Pit Road. Brett. Boy, I wish y'all could have seen this one on TV. Freaking Steve LaTart and Dale Jr. They just were 100% sold on the fact that Dave Blaney. God, what year is it? Ryan Blaney slowed down way too much. He oversloughed and caused Kyle Larson to hit him in the ass.

He just won. I mean, before they went to commercial break, it was 100% Ryan Blaney's fault that this thing ever happened. Here's the thing I love about Kyle Larson. He's in, I think this is because of where he came from, his background on dirt, like those short races. He's in 100% go mode all the time. This is what makes him so freaking special. He's sitting on a win. He's chasing another win.

And he said during this media availability this week, they said, how much did you work on Phoenix this week versus Homestead? He said, Homestead 100% Phoenix, zero. Why? Because he knows he's the best driver in this field. He knew he had a chance to win this race. He knew he lost it when he lost track position. He's trying to get it back right here. I don't think Ryan Blaney did a single thing wrong, by the way.

And I don't think, you know, Kyle Larson did anything wrong other than trying to. too hard, and he overcharged it, and he got there, and he had to decide. He hit Ryan Blaney really hard in the ass or take a right, and he took a right. He still clipped Ryan, which barely screwed his body up, even though he nailed him in the right rear. Obviously, he hit the tires. T.J. saw the sand and the water and all that stuff blow out there. But up until this point, this race hadn't really been that good.

So this really changed the dynamic of the race. Obviously, it changed the flow of the cautions, the restarts. People kept taking the bottom for some reason after this and losing the lead. figure out why in the hell that kept happening. But for Kyle Larson, man, this guy was, uh, is the best racer in the field of that particular track and he is desperate to win. That's what fans pay to see. I think the bottom was three to one at one point on restarts. Um, but, uh, yeah, and to be, say, call over aggressive, like spot off. Like he was, he, he's only there for one reason. He's there to win the race. And that's his opportunity to make up

ground, hopefully get closer. Maybe pits, his pit, pops have been phenomenal all year. So there, they can hopefully maybe jump the 12 on pit road. If the race plays out green from there, that's deciding the race right there. It's going to be between the 5 and the 12. And if he gets out in front of whoever gets out in front of who is probably going to win the race. I'm going to ask you something right here.

Who runs out of talent more than Kyle Larson does? I don't know. I hate to say he runs out of talent. He just oversteps. Did he run out of talent the other day? Yesterday? Is that running out of talent? I don't think he was ever out of control.

He made up 40 car leaks. I think that he panicked and decided, like you said, I'm not going to wreck the 12. It's not the 12's fault that I'm viraling in here. To your point, I've seen somebody said, and I don't know how accurate it is, but I have to go back and look at SMT. Blaney's, somebody said on TV, they're showing, you know, they're talking about Blaney over slowed way too much. And he was like right at 45 mile an hour at the pit road entry. And here comes Kyle flying in there. But he made a conscious decision to wreck himself versus wreck.

Ryan. And he said at the end, he was in control the whole time, and I think he would have been speeding. If the 12's not there, he's going to, he's going to blow that first section, I think. Did you see already at the barrels? Yeah. But I'm just saying, like, he, I don't even know. I don't know what he did inside, whether he let off the break at that point trying to get back to the right or whatnot. But, you know, it's hard to say that he ran out of talent. It's just like he, he's almost too talented for his own good. You know what I mean? Like, it's almost like he feels like there's not a position he could put himself in where he's going to be in trouble. That's what I'm getting at. Yeah. Like, it's like, you know, I had a friend Jazzy that does a lot of sim work.

He works for Truex now. And he's like, no driver out there can be as good as my sim because my sim driver runs at 100% every lap. Well, Kyle Larson runs at 103% every lap. And I think that's what this is. But how many times, though, T.J., does he make an error in races? Well, I just like the part where you said. I don't think anything wrong yesterday other than get pit road too hard, hit some barrels and take himself out of the race. But now, he didn't do anything wrong.

I mean, yeah, I'm spot. off for it but Blaney I thought did pit road in practice Blaney his first shot of pit road he missed he overdrove it and had to go around again and try it again so and when you're running good in that race and Blaney can't afford leading Blaney can't afford

none of them guys really except for Larson none of them guys can afford a bad race right now and you see where it puts you if Blaney overcocks pit road there he's finishing he's way back who knows he gets put back there in the soup like we were and you get door and you run it you know then you're in the wall and then you're done so i don't know um it's just so i thought blaine needed a good job of doing controlling what he can control if larcen

gets in there and beats him and he finished a second to him all day okay great and we're playing finished second anyway right yeah yeah so blaine needed a solid day a win would have been awesome but he needed a top three day and that's what he got but though like what you just talked about though is i don't know i think he's his own worst enemy sometimes just tries too hard and that 103% that 3% sneaks up once in a while and gets him and I know he wants to win and I mean I love watching everything he goes

and races the dirt late models the midgets the sprint cars I mean he's fun to watch and everything but that 3% in in our races right now you can't afford that if you if you that 3% is what's gonna what's going to cost him at some point

and luckily luckily that 3% happened at a certain spot that it did at Vegas otherwise he's probably not winning in that race. If that thing happens five car links earlier or later, he's probably backing into the wall or something. He had a great save afterwards, but the wall is what saved him in the beginning. It was so awesome. Before he got there, I mean, he makes up 30, 40 car lakes year. Like, holy cow, he's coming. It's almost like he turned in a little bit too early. And it kind of narrowed up that approach to pit road. And that's when he kind of had so much more speed. I don't think he was making the

speed line. But, you know, that 3%. I don't either. I don't think he's making it. But this is what I mean, Kyle Arson is what makes these races fun to walk. He had, you know, he's doing that two reasons. He, he's only there to win the race, and he has nothing to lose. So if he blows through the, you know, if he's, if he makes up 40 cars and gets down to, you know, gets down to speed, great. Now I can jump this guy up at road. If he doesn't, oh, well, I'm still at Homestead.

But still, it's not worth wrecking yourself there. Well, I mean, I don't think he intended to go in there and wreck himself. He's intended. But what I'm saying is that, I know he made a mistake. He's screwed up. But, like, he's, he's just being overly aggressive trying, because he knows. he's got to close that gap or his race is over. He's only there to win the race.

So what happened to Vegas? Was that with us? No, whenever he spun out trying to, we were started, he was running us down, we were leading the race. He's running us down. And then he burned his stuff up and we started pulling away. And that's when he spun out is when we started pulling away. Because you could see he was loose.

Like I did like he's almost too talented for his own good. He thinks he can do stuff that the car can't handle at times. Which is awesome. Yeah. No, it's fun. That's fun to watch for sure. Imagine if everybody tried to get to pivot. wrote that good. How exciting it would be.

Spot on, spot off. Is Bell someone you expected to go this far in the playoffs at the beginning of the season? And what about at the beginning of the playoffs? Freddie? Yeah, I picked him in my final four, the beginning of the playoffs. Listen, he's got the recipe, what you need to be successful. Great driver, great crew chief, great team, fast race cars. That's what you need. He's got it. He's the one to, he said it yesterday. I listened to the beginning of a tear down on the way to home last night. And he said, like, good race, you know, I, if I have a fast race car, I look good. If I don't have a fast race car, I don't look good. So, you know, he, he's performing as he should, you know, and they step up in big moments. You know, this is the third time now where, you know, last year,

Roval, three places he really doesn't really enjoy, honestly. He's not a big fan of the Roval. I don't think he goes out there and wins and a must win. Martinsville, not a super, you know, not a lot of success there goes out, wins and a must win last year. Yeah. This race yesterday, he's struggling. Like he was decent the first stage. He's back there with us, second stage.

About to go a lap down and then boom, they get a good caution. You know, I'm sure he caught that caution the same way we did, get some track position back, and here you go.

He's in position to win the race when the 11 and 12 start racing the hell out of each other and restart he takes off, clean air, win the race. So he capitalizes on a moment. They obviously had the car good when they needed to,

and I don't think he's outseating any expectations because this is, I think, what he should be doing. Five wins in the last two years. seems like all those wins come in big moments, and this is a big moment for him to win, gives himself a week off realistically to get ready for Phoenix.

His team more so to work on that car for Phoenix, I mean, we've talked about before. The guy who wins that first race at a playoff in a round of eight, man, it really sets him up for the championship, and now you've got two studs that are locked into this thing. And that's, I might change my wood an idiot if Larson was serious about putting 100% effort into homestead and none in the Phoenix because that's dumb,

because, I mean, that's real dumb. I'm uh, I don't know, he definitely has been just when you kind of think he's out done and here he comes back. Then he just wins a race. So this race kind of worked out like apparently he was losing his mind earlier in the race. Um, I guess they played, they were playing some of his radio clips. And that's not like that's, I mean, you got to control that stuff because look what happens. You got to control that stuff. You can't think you're out of it when you're running like that.

and just start having those moments on the radio like that, just realize that it can change just like that. But for him, his car is definitely fast enough and he's good enough to be, when you put him in them positions to capitalize on, that's what he did yesterday. I mean, I don't think if that yellow doesn't happen, I don't think Christopher Wend's that race.

He's going to have to figure it out at Phoenix, though. He's not been great there. Last year he made the final four. He qualified 17. I picked him a son. I think he only got like one stage. He got some points. I think he finished 10th.

But to your point, he has an extra week to prepare this year. You know, last year he didn't know he was in until he won Martinsville. So now this year you've got, you know, you've got basically two weeks to get ready for Phoenix. So hopefully it'll be a little bit better. And, you know, the only question mark on this team, like I said, great driver, great crew, great crew chief, great team. Our buddy Sherwood's over there. You know, pick crew. Pick crew's kind of been the Achilles heel and maybe across the board at Joe Gibbs Racing.

Like the 19 had some struggles yesterday, I think. So, you know, which is not normal for them. That's the question mark. But didn't they change? So didn't they change pit crews, which is why Chris was done well with Ty, right? They swap with Ty and then I don't know that they didn't swap back. But they, or they didn't swap back, but they had issues right away again. You know, so it's just they, because it's going to, Phoenix is going to come down to a money pit stop.

That's, no matter what, if it's the last green, if it's the last stop before a long green flag run or if there's a green white checker. Even after stage two. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, it could be, it's going to be come down to a pit stop at some point. And you have to be on your game because we've seen the five and the 24 teams are money right now. And you're going to have to go heads up with them at some point in this race. We've seen it. We've seen it change like that.

I mean, I don't know how many years ago it was. Brad was probably going to win the championship. Has a bad pit stop. Last stop. Loses it that way. It can flip that quick, man. Casey, what do you do to celebrate when Christopher wins? I'm curious.

look at Andrew's neck classy wow I didn't mean it was him but maybe we should cheat Chad's neck what does one thing has to do with the other

yeah I don't know where you're going so you think when he wins at Casey's like Chad come suck on my neck that's what you're saying maybe you're obviously have not spent a lot of time with us

changing my one idiot for the third time in his case no we are very happy for him and working for sure she ripped that thing off his nose

did you see that I did. She did. But, but. Like a breather right, though. Yeah. Was it? She comes ripping in, gives them some kisses, and then rips this thing off of his nose.

Well, I mean, the first of the guys after they win, like Kyle. Straight up Talladega night's moment. Those free right. Those actually work. I've never worked. Work yesterday. Yeah. Helped him.

Yeah, that's what got him. 100%. It was the breathe right. He was, they put, they pit for four tires at a breathe right on the last stop. And then she just ripped it right off of them. Wait, Freddie, speaking of, did Bubba, uh, did he? He asked for Dr. Pepper the last pitch stop? Under the red flag.

That's code word. No, it was legit. Oh, they posted it. Yeah. He's a, he is a weird character when it comes to hydration. He would rather... Just hydration? He would, yeah, too.

But he would rather drink. I remember when he was younger, like truck series, he wouldn't drink water. Like, just wouldn't do it. What would he drink? Coke or Dr. Pepper, whatever it was. And I'm like, I mean, eventually just got to clean up a little bit. I don't think this is a good dietary plan.

But yeah, so yesterday he, well, it was only, I don't even know what there was left, 20 or 30 to go on that red flag for Larson. Special sauce. And he said, give me a Dr. Pepper on ice in a bottle. So they did. I mean, and he got up on the wheel and drove back to the top five after that. So maybe we need to do that more off. Yeah.

Dr. Peppers and Breathe Right Strips. All you racers out there that are trying to work your way up. Do not take his advice. Ryan Blaney called Denny Hamlin a hack following the race after close racing between the 12 and the 11 cars. You want my time on this one too, Freddie? That's not all he called him. What else did he say?

Freddy's spot on, spot off. You should go back and listen to his audio after Danny hits the wall. Called him a b***ed. Yeah. You could say a f*** head on here. No, you can't. Yeah. That's a double bleak right there.

He called him a penis head. Richard Head. Can we say Richard hit? Pinn his head, Richard Head. Richard Head. Yeah. Yeah. We can't say,

I guess, no. No, I'm just going to mark this whole minute to monitor. Please mark it. Well, we just want people to know what he called. So, yeah, so I guess I didn't see it live. Oh, they were Duke. I was watching it. It was fun to watch.

Going by some of the audio I heard, it must have been pretty exciting. It was. Yeah, so they wreck and then Blaney says, F that Richard Head. and then afterwards I see him a hack and I think it's great. They were literally, listen, this is what we want out of these guys.

We've been begging for somebody to say what they're thinking and Blaney finally gives it to us, you know, all these other guys get out of pit, oh, you know, just racing. He's like, no,

screw that guy. Dude, you know, like. I'm telling you, they were, I was enjoying the show. We were, this is after we got,

put in the wall. And so I'm, I'm kind of, I'm like, oh, they're racing pretty hard. So I just kept watching them. And they were,

squeezing each other out of, for. Denny tried to slide job him into one and he came up and he did stop. I will, I mean, Denny put it right on. He did what he's really good at. He put Blaney in a tough spot, but Blaney in a very skilled way reacted to it perfectly and stayed right there where Denny was planning on washing him up a little bit and Ryan timed it perfectly and did exactly what he had to do to stay on the outside of Denny right there. It was two guys racing really hard. Then it got to the point where they were, you know, Denny got inside a matter of four and turned to the bottom and Ryan chased him down. It was like, but I mean, that happens in every truck series

race every straightaway. So that's nothing new. But it was, I enjoyed watching it. Those are two guys that are highly talented with fast cars not wanting to give. And that's what that is good racing. Let me ask you this. I didn't see it because we were, I don't know, we were probably 10th or 12. So I didn't, we were racing back there. Did they, that's when Bell got both of them in one shot, right? There was a front row restart. He went to the, So this is where I think Denny screwed up. I didn't see the reason. They were going down to back too wide after racing their tails off.

Bell's coming with a run, but not a massive run. And I think Denny thought maybe Christopher wouldn't make it three wide. And if he did, he wouldn't have enough momentum to clear him. It was very obvious Denny didn't necessarily want to run the bottom because he was entering so high, which he's one of the best at that anyway. But he enters above the middle, and Christopher Bell goes down the bottom and just clears them both and gone. See ya. Yeah.

Yeah, this car, this car, one thing that probably makes this track racey is this car actually, it does wrap the bottom in the middle a little bit better than the old car, I think, a little bit more. So even on long runs, like you can see some guys get out and use the middle still. And it's tough, but it definitely makes the racing really exciting. And watching, I mean, these guys are within inches of each other up on the exit of the corner. And it's, it's, we have two special racetracks, Darlington and Homesteads. Homestead's one of them for sure. This is just one of the most special racetracks in America of the mile and a halfs that are out there. Yeah. And I seen people like, I got a sweet last night. I can't believe you guys said this is the race was where the championship should be. This place is boring. This place is boring. I don't know anywhere we go anywhere we go.

That anywhere we go. That's edge of your seat. I mean, Daytona, Dalega, maybe. Even that place, they get right. I mean, Daytona, we sing about by the wall. Yeah. What do you want to do there? Like this place, when it comes down to it, you see. fast cars be able to make moves. You know, it's just, I don't know how you can have a better. And TV doesn't do it justice. TV does not do this place justice. Well, that's a shame. It can't.

I mean, TV can't do it, especially when they're only covering playoffs. I mean, if you just sit where, you sit on our point of view looking down into turn one, we go into turn one, even like late in a run, there's, there's cars in six different lanes, it seems like. All over the place. One thing I like that I miss about the cup car is seeing in the experience race, you can tell when them guys start throttowing up. You can see the car start to, and you know that guy's like on the edge right there.

You don't, the cup cars, you don't see that drive it sideways. The things start rotating on the throttle. Those things are dirt. Because they're downshifting. It's standing wide up with the gas. And yeah, but that's what I'm saying. You don't have that, like, that, whoa, this thing is really powerful here. You don't have, it's just that Twitch and they either spin out or they, you know, you don't see it.

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awesome throwback paint scheme from this past weekend's race at Homestead, Miami. Let's move on to the DBCA Main, and did you guys watch that late model race last night? No. I didn't, only because I was flying. Yeah, we were probably flying home. Was that the Eldora race? It was the championship race for the, was it Lucas Oil? Well, yes.

It was a one race shootout essentially for the championship. They went to like a cup format. Yep. Where they eliminated out of nine, three or four guys. Ricky Thornton, Jr. loses it when, I mean, he, everyone thought that was the guy the win. Well, I was thought we, unfortunately, we ran into college. Strickler a couple weeks ago at the bar. That's, you know, we'll see that guy again.

And he was telling me, he said that, yeah, that started a lot of stuff. But he was telling me that, you know, Ricky Thorntons obviously dominated the year. He's like, he's the guy in late models right now, but he's not very good at Eldora. So it's kind of, you know, it sucks for him that he dominates the whole season. Then we make this race, the championship about one race. And I'm assuming he didn't win, right? So I guess he was spot on with his, you know, assessment of it. So who won?

Hudson O'Neill won a champion. Oh, a little huddy one-noe in the... He's in the rocket house car, right? Is that right? He's in the rocket house car, I think. A little fan favorite there, too. All those guys are... That guy made me a lot of money in the chili bowl pool a couple years ago.

He was like, nobody ever heard of him, and he was like a, I don't even, Group 8 guy or something. Yeah. And ran really well. But, yeah, that rate, I didn't get to see that race. I was here flying home. I saw the finish of the outlaw race the other night at Devil's Bowl. Oh, my gosh.

What a... Last race. photo finished last race at devil's bowl. Yeah. Shout out to whoever tagged us in that photo. That was a, Gravel, Gras will be McFadden.

Yeah. McFadden got held up by lap cars in the last corner just enough. I mean, they won by like a foot. Like it was one across the line. So back to the late model race. Do you,

we've had some comments around the format of the NASCAR championship and if it maybe should, there shouldn't be a last, a one race deal to get that championship. Do you agree on the late model side as well that maybe it shouldn't be a one race deal?

don't think it should, I don't think you should ever determine your season long champion on a one race deal. And like, I like the, you know, the, you look at golf. They do that FedEx deal. And then they get to the, you know, it's season long points. And then they get to the last race or the last tournament and they give the point leader essentially, he starts like strokes ahead of everybody else, you know, I just, I don't know. I hate the fact that you can just have, but, you know, if we're trying to be like every other sport, that's how every other sport is. A wildcar team can get and make a run to the Super Bowl. You know, you're seeing it right now.

The Diamondbacks are probably the, I think they've got the worst record in the playoffs, and they're game six tonight against the Phillies. So if you're trying to make it like other sports, it's great, gives you that game seven moment. As a NASCAR traditionalist, I hate it. I do like, you know, there's not a lot of things that for those that I like, but I do think the like a three race deal at the end, you know, mix of different tracks.

Even if Phoenix is in that, I don't care. But go to, you know, go to the last three, Martinsville, Phoenix, Homestead. fine let's run those three and pick the final four going into it you know in those last three races let's let them race it out and then races yeah and you can narrow your field down too then you know I mean you can narrow you know we talked about it's 16 too many you could start with 12 and then you eliminate you know four and four and then you got four left you know four than four if you want I don't care but I'm saying you have three rounds of you know four four and then you got four guys left for the last three races whatever it is but I just I don't know I can't you know it just

bothers me you look at take the trucks for instance you know I think um Majeski was the dominant truck all year. We didn't see a lot of speed out of him after he got busted with his deal. But, you know, Hosevar and Hime have been really fast. Like, Ben Rhodes, like, has been just an average guy this year, and he could easily go out and win a championship now. You know, like, not that I have anything against Ben Rhodes, but what does he done to deserve to be the champion?

He's good at Phoenix, too. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. He's like the all guy or a Phoenix for the truck series. You go win Phoenix, and now you erase everything you did all and have a mediocre year. to now you're a champion. Like, I just don't like that. Well, tons of...

And I like Ben Rhodes, by the way. I'm not disparaging him. I'm just using him as an example of, you know, somebody that's not been the fastest truck all year. And now he's racing for a championship. Ben's a good dude. He's goofy and funny. Actually, I hope he wins again, so we get another interview.

He is goofy. You don't remember that interview? Oh, yeah, he's... Yeah, I want to see Ben. I want to see him win James and he's drunk again. Well, he's a dad now. He won't do that. He lives in Kentucky, right?

You can't drink when you're a dad? No, I'm just... saying. I was trying to give him an excuse. I just say, I've seen somebody do it quite often. Maybe Ben will send us some bourbon since he's from Kentucky. I think he's from Kentucky, right? He is. I don't know. Oh, he's 100%. No idea. Yeah. Yeah. Tons more dirt raising action on DirtVision this weekend and this week. We've got Millbridge this week. You can catch us also every Wednesday, catch our show on TV. What's this week? Milbridge.

I enjoyed that lady on the download. Yeah. Yeah, we talked about last week. Ashley, she's great. Don't forget to catch us every Wednesday on DirtVision as well as tons more. Freddie, are we going to the Outlaw race in Charlotte Thursday? Thursday. That's next Thursday.

Yeah. Are we in town still? Yeah, I am. I think so. I thought everybody. I wanted to take Bodie that so bad. I thought there's stuff on the track on Thursday. I'm in Indy.

We got FFA. Unless you got Arka, maybe. Nah, I'm a Brett's doing my Arka car. I'm planning on going. I don't even look far enough ahead to see the schedule. Could you imagine if I walked on a spotter stand for an Arka practice? No, I can't imagine it. Whole Roos will be like, what the hell is he doing here?

Brett, it's Arka and I cut up. First topic for Ask DBC. No, we got Reaction Theater. I'm sorry. I don't have it printed. I'm just kind of rolling with it. Let's move on the Reaction Theater. You know what we didn't have this week

With Brett being gone We didn't have to deal with him breathing into the fucking microphone all the time I can't stand when somebody else is trying to talk Or make a point you have dark Vader in the background Jesus Somebody give him like a mute button Or explain him he can back away from microphone Or something like that

I don't think people realize And they do that, it's just going to get worse As people have not realized that about Brett in general Like if you tell Brett he's bothering you Guess what? Way to see Halloween pictures next week. Are you going to be Vader? No, I'm not.

Are you out of town for Halloween? Did you tell me that? Way to go. Yeah. I'm sorry. Man, is everyone looking forward to Martin Trex Jr. just upsetting the system? We've got finishes of 18, 36, 19, 17, 17, 17, 18, 18, 20th, 9th, and 29.

So if he goes into Martinsville, essentially wins his way in, then wins Phoenix. Does NASCAR freak the hell out and change the playoff system again? Honestly. I mean, this is like Kansas, but the opposite version, having a good regular season and in the postseason. So does this make them change the format again? No.

No, it shouldn't. This makes what Freddie said right, though. Like, it's a one-race championship deal. So does he deserve to be in the final four? I mean, probably not. But if he wins Freak in Martinsville or Googers gets, you know, 55 points, he probably. Probably does.

Before the playoffs started, the 19 and the 24 were everybody's favorites. So to say he doesn't really deserve it, compared to the regular season that he's had, it's probably not really fair because he was, those two were the, that we're supposed to duke it out for the championship. So he had a great regular season, and this is why he's still even on this sheet right now, is because of how good he was the first 28, whatever race. How many is it? 25, 28 races.

26 races. There's 26 races. Martin was lights out and won this championship or won the regular season championship because of that. Yeah. And so. And to that point, he's not in the owner's championship anymore. He's out. He was out last round, you know, at the end of this round.

So, or in the last round. So. So, yeah, the format, like, I think they have it the best. I'd like to see less cars maybe and a three race playoff. But the format is what it is. And I think it's reward you for having a, stellar regular season. What an incredible contribution.

I mean, I'd take this at the same level as everything else he provides to the show. All right, let's move on. Hey, Kyle Larson, you f***en, you f***en, great job. The little incident on Pitt Road changed the whole dynamic of the race and end up being very bad for my driver Denny. Now, you better start using your head. This is a guy that, I know he's a Danny's fan,

but what happened to Daddy had done to do it. Kyle Larson. Wow. But that sounds like a guy out of me that had some money on Kyle Larson at some point. That's an angry elf right there. I will say this. That's one thing about the broadcast. I feel like the NFL does such a great job of.

And actually, let me back up. College football lays out all these amazing bets. And the NFL yesterday, last night I noticed that some guy came on and said the tight end is going to have over 40 and a half yards. I feel like our TV with Dirty Mo Doe, like they could use Latourie. heart to really take these matchups and talk about them. You know what I mean? I mean, it happens on the NFL broadcast. It happens on the NCAA broadcast. Why aren't we highlighting the fact that you could have Kyle Larson yesterday against William Byron, right? Because I felt like some of those things are

They bring it up. They may have more fun. I mean, because it's Draft Kings does it. Like there's so many ways to have fun with it. Yeah, and I've listened to a few episodes, and they bring it up, but a lot of times they don't have the matchups when they record. You know, they say like they're coming out. I'm saying TV needs to do it. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like in every other broadcast. NCAA, that's all they talk about on Saturday mornings. Yeah. That whole... They should have an entire second.

Game day shows all about that. Yeah. So, anyway. I'm sorry that guy was so upset. Who was he mad at? He was mad at Larson. No. Hitting the barrels.

Somehow, Larson hit the barrels broke whatever it broke in Denny's steering. I don't know how that correlates, but that's in his mind. You guys are all worried about Freddie puking on the first couple of rows of CIT. You ain't lived until you've been in a car in the front seat and had Freddie craft pure fireball all over your shoulder and have to get out of the car and walk the rest of the way home so you don't throw up hi mike how are you who is that that did happen uh my buddy mike why we never that was a turkey derby celebration that went severely wrong you threw up on him i threw up from the back seat projectile vomited on his shoulder and into the vents of katie blew its car and i think we had

to get rid of the car what why uh yeah that did happen so And Mike did walk about a half mile back to the house because he was so mad at me that I think I was, I don't remember any of it. I wasn't really physically there. But I mean, I was physically there. I wasn't there mentally. You never throw up either. I don't ever. It's very rare that I throw up. But it doesn't sound like it. We drank a lot of fireball. And Ryan Flores, I blamed it on Ryan Flores because he was driving the car from the bar home. And I said his driving was erratic. And that's what's been what happened to me. I was sitting in the middle of the back seat. that you're an elegant new drink of choice, your espresso martini? Oh, he did.

He did. He did. I said he's not drinking them again. And that dumb s' in Ireland all week, just drinking them after one after another. I'm like, listen, you know how you load up and go to the Myrtle Beach for the weekend or whatever? Tim Dugger loads up and goes to like Ireland for the weekend. That's his Myrtle Beach. He just goes for, you know, I'm going to pop over to Ireland for a couple days.

I'm like, it's a two-day trip to Ireland. Like, okay. Little munch, isn't it? I'm going with him at some point. I think maybe January we're going to go. but like I promise what I'm not going to do is you're going to drink a martini. I might drink one. I'm not going to drink 12 like I did that day.

That was the dumbest I've ever done in my life. I was, Micah disagrees with you. He thinks the dumbest shit I ever done was throw up on it. Mike, not Micah. Micah. I mean,

Micah might think you're an idiot too. Micah is the idiot that was hammering in the shop that one day when they tried to prank me and you in the old building. Remember when he was out there beating on that thing with the hammer? Yeah, yeah, yeah. We should have just took care of him then. Should have. Josh Barry,

George by the boss. I think somebody owes him a low gift card. Or a bunch of them. See Steve and Stefan. He's got a stack of him in his office. He turned his down. Apparently, to make it look better from their side,

they went from 200 feet other gift cards to 500 of the gift cards at the show out there. They were not $500. Stephen and Stephen. Maybe they were going to give you two. Dale needs to come on and defend himself for this. Well, there's no defending to it. There's, it is what it is.

He had the entire live show to defend himself, but he really didn't have much. What are you going to say? Oh, yeah, I did that? Or what are you going to really say? Are you going to, would you ever take a gift card as a form of payment for spotting race? Me?

Yeah, $250 gift card. You're having to ask me that? I just want to hear your response. I wouldn't take two. No. I know, I don't know that I'd take $250 cash. Exactly. On your day off.

Yeah. I don't think my radio turns off for $250. Yeah. It's got a slot decide. You slick the $100 bills in. I'm going to wait until he asked me to go to that. Is the 400 coming up later on? Yeah, well, wait until we get there.

Just remind him when he says no that he didn't know that Josh Barry was on his outside at Homestead. You know what I'm going to remind him of this is when I say, hey, we're coming to the green next time, bye. Turn my shit off then. He'll freak. He would lose. Could you imagine when he would do it?

Oh, boy. I don't know. It depends what he's paying him. Yeah, I mean, I've shut up, but he's not paying him. He's pissed me off so bad before that I didn't say anything. So we could get to that point. We gotta give a big shout out to Andrew on his 70.3 track line. Dude, that is awesome.

Pumped for you. However, Brett, T.J. and Freddie, every time he talks about it, remind him. He's only half an Iron Man. Only half an Iron Man doing his 70.3. Still amazing. But you got to go out there and do the big one now, bud. All right? All we're doing is helping you.

Go out there and get the big one. Andrew, you're not an Iron Man. Andrew, you want the big one? Oh, God. Is there a long? What's the big one? You got the little one? You want the big one.

So it's a 70.3, which is a half iron man. So a full iron man is double the distance. So you're half the man we thought you were. So you're half the man. So you're half a man. Yeah. How long does that? Take 10 hours?

12 hours? People do that? Oh yeah. So you're not an iron man. He's a half. No, he's an iron man. He did it twice, though, so he's an iron man. Yeah.

How many people die after a real iron man? I don't know. You and Freddie? I would die at the start of the Ironman. I would die at the start. I'd be like, shoot me now. Yeah. When you pop this pistol, put it to my head.

Please. Get it over with. Oh, my God. So what is that? So it's like what? Like a two. Two point three mile swim? Uh, two point four mile swim,

a hundred and twelve bike and a marathon. Are you training yet? You got one lined up you're going to go and do? Uh, within the next five years. Five years. I want to do one. Dude. You know,

the shit gets harder when you get older, right? I actually hear you peak at triathlon like around your 30s. You got 15 years for that. Yeah. See? So you got 15 years before. You're going to waste five years of your life trying to peak.

Aren't you? I mean, you're still in your 30s, right? No. Oh, you're out of 30s. I was going to say, you're in peak physical form, man. I mean, look at me. I already do. I mean, dude, come on me.

Hey, you might be. The Giants are short on Lyman. They had that Justin Pugh out there. I mean him in the same size. Did you see that guy? I mean, a little tired. All straight from the couch. It's going to be Freddie, straight from the couch racer.

Giant one yesterday. They didn't sure did. I hate it. I know who didn't. That's it. All right. Well, to leave an audio message 24-7, don't forget to call our number 704-802-9-7572.

We will keep picking the best ones each week. Let's move on to Reaction Theater. Send in your questions on Twitter using... We read that reaction theater. Wow. I'm not cutting that out. I'm tired of bailing you out. For the record, I'm going back from text message to one text message to the other text message

to look for our questions and read the script. That's also on my phone at the same time. So, Andrew, you failed, not me. Hey, the printer failed first. Let's move on to hashtag AskDBC, which is what you will use on Twitter when you're sending your questions. Now I have to go back to Andrew's text to see what it is because he didn't pick them out until just now. So if you're going to call me out, I'm calling you out.

I'm really looking forward to reaction theater, guys. Let's move. Hope we got good calls. Thanks for listening this week. This first question is from one of our favorite listeners, Master of Light. How do you calm down a frustrated driver during the race? Depends on the driver. Dale Jr., how do you calm him down?

You don't. Let him go. Yeah, you key the other. actually just don't key up the button and you calm every effing name that you can think of in the book. Well, Steve LaTard acts like he was some master psychiatrist with Dale Jr. Is that not the case? No, I mean, he, I, Lattart did a really good job of setting the bar early. Like, look, if you're going to, I'm your boss, basically, and you're going to, you're going to be here an hour before the garage, an hour before we're on track. You're not walking in here as cars are rolling out. You're going to be in here. We're going to talk about the practice plan. You're going to be. and, you know, go over everything. And it was the perfect point like Del Jr. talked about at the show.

Many of you weren't there. But he talked about both of them being at the points of their career where they both needed to step up and Steve did a great job of being in charge of that situation. And Doug Jr. did a good job of listening to him and understanding what he needed to do. But no, usually when a driver like him starts losing his cool on the radio, and honestly he didn't do it as much with um he didn't do it much with stevie at all i mean we had stevie had a goal for that run and he made sure we knew it and that was what it was and if there was a problem with the car you told him what it was we could work on it and that was it there's other there's other guys that you don't go faster when you lose your cool i can tell you that right now i've never

seen a guy be mad at the car and speed up they they all slow down so the quicker you can mentally handle that yourself and you spotters can try to help but a lot of times when you say something they just they use that as fuel to the fire but um my favorite is when you say you're a faster run on the bottom and they'll move down and slow down a half second yeah and then you got okay you proved your point yeah you did that on purpose we're not that stupid the you know it's and it's different it's different driver to driver you know there's guys that i worked with that Bubba's a perfect example of just kind of let them go like a lot of times i tell them just don't hit the button like i know you're want to yell and scream and it gets through you know but you're not you definitely the last thing you do is argue with them

that's not going to help anything it's just a calming voice of all right yeah I get it you know yesterday we were struggling the beginning of the race and it's just like okay we suck right now just get me to the next pit stop that's all we're doing right now like just focus on getting to the next pit stop give them a chance to work on it because a lot of times when you're frustrated you'll make a mistake and hit the fence and now instead of being able to work on the setup of the race car you're fixing quarter panels or whatever but then there's other guys that it's just like stop hitting the button, please. Yeah.

Like there be guys worked, you know, worked with recently that they hit the button and they slow down three tens. And it's like, you're just, like, stop. Just stop talking. Like, I don't care what you do. Please, just stop pushing the button because you're just making this worse. Like, so you get to know how to handle each one and some guys want to be kind of talked off the ledge.

Some guys just want to fight with you. So Bubba at times, we've talked about it before. Like, he just wants somebody to argue with. Like, and just so, no, know that somebody else is with me and this. I know we're both pissed off. Is that what happened on Twitter last week with Ryan? Yeah. Evan Ryan, that was pretty funny.

But, yeah, you know, that's just the way you just handle each driver differently. And obviously, you know, some personalities more than others. Some of these young drivers look for veteran spotters because we've, we, you can, and if they, you know, they look for the guy that they can, that'll tell them, hey, quit that. Drive your car. Tell us what you need. And if the driver has a respect to the spotter like that, then I think it's a good combo too because, you know, we've seen a lot of stuff.

and you can keep guys out of the trouble and you can keep them focused. That crew chief needs and the engineers need to be working on what they can do to make that car faster. And screaming and complaining and stuff doesn't make the car faster. Hey, this is what I'm fighting. But sometimes it helps to have that veteran guy on the roof telling you, hey, you know, get back in your rhythm here. Hit your marks. We're going to ride this out. Maintain the best you can.

You might lose a spot or two. But let's ride this out and work on the car and see where we end up. 36 spotters on the roof on a Sunday. what percentage of spotters actually have a good enough relationship with their driver to calm them down and have an honest accountability talk with them? Less than half. Oh, I'd say it's way less than half. If you just look at the combos, a lot of them guys don't have relationships during the weeks.

Like, they don't talk to the driver. Some of them, like on the other side of that, some of them just want to be the driver's best friend. You know what I mean? And they just, they won't hold them accountable or they won't, you know, just they'll kind of agree with them. And then you don't want to really put yourself in that position because then the driver's going to car. And the spotter goes, yeah, yeah. And then you're like, the team guys go, that guy. You know what?

You know, you don't. You got our car was shit. Yeah. Even the guys that are experienced, like even like I remember specifically last year at Martinsville, Brad and Denny got to bump in each other and they're turning each other down the straight of it. I'm like, quit that. Like I told Brad straight up, I'm like, quit that. Like we're not, we can't be on pit road in a lap changing a left front tire.

Our race is over at that point if you do that. So just quit that. and he actually Brad responds really well to that stuff too like all right yeah I'm being dumb here because he tells me like hey keep me keep me straight in there don't let me get carried away and it's nice to know that when you tell him that stuff

he's like you know what you're right we've talked about this and I did a Kelly Crandall show a while back and it's a lot of it also is the people that you surround yourself with and how much effect family has on it like we've seen guys just run through spotters and run through really good spotter another one just a guy that's probably run through more spotters than anybody just made another chance

change and he's had every good spotter on the roof and just made another change, Exfinity driver. And you're like, what in the hell? And it's just because I think people just, you know, they maybe hold him accountable or some guy, you know, whatever. I don't know what it causes it, but, you know, there's been times where I've seen guys get fired because they tell a kid, you're an idiot. You know, you shouldn't be doing that.

And they go, the parents step in and go, we don't want that guy no more. Yeah. You know, and that's unfortunate. I know what you're talking about. He's been through a lot of spotters. And I'm not, I don't know that the one now is going to hold him, hold him, be like, hey, that's what he won't. somebody that won't.

That's the problem, though. You need to have somebody that does. That is the problem. Speaking of Spotters, Freddy, I'm going to ask you this question from Justin. Thoughts on Chandler Smith not returning the call of next year? You know, I think for Chandler, it's, you know, he's looking at opportunities elsewhere. And for whatever reason, didn't work out a colleague. They got some stuff going on there that just didn't mesh well together.

and Chandler's got other opportunities elsewhere maybe. So, you know, that's, it's just a business decision that them guys are going to move forward and mutually agree to do something different, I guess. And from my standpoint, I've been a colleague for a few years. I may be there again next year. I may be with Chandler. I may be elsewhere. Who knows?

That's all going to come out in the future. I honestly don't know. I have no idea right now what I'm going to do next year. So, I mean, I've been there for a long time and I've been through, what, three or four, I've been to have a different driver for the last four or five years over there. And so it's a great place to work. I enjoy it over there. We have fun, and we'll see what the future holds.

But I think Chandler just kind of making a business decision for himself here. Any rumors as to where he's going? I mean, you see rumors about Joe Gibbs racing. I mean, there's, he's got to go somewhere. We talked about last week, you know, a guy's making decision. We referenced Sheldon Creed. You can throw Chandler into the mix of guys that have to make decisions about whether you want to be a mid-pack cup driver or a front-running Xfinity driver.

And I think Chandler sets himself up here. if he goes to a place like Joe Gibbs racing, he could potentially go out there and win a bunch of races next year. And then that sets you up long term for being in a better position. Sheldon Creed, he hasn't announced anything. He could do the same thing. He could be going to Gibbs and set himself up. You know, he goes out and wins a bunch of races next year.

He could set him up for a better future. So, you know, the 10 cars still open. That could be an option for Chandler. I don't know. But I think that if I was, you know, in the position of telling me Chandler or Sheldon or whoever, what to do, I'm thinking you're going, you want to go win Xfinity races versus run mid to back of the pack in the 10 car because we've seen this year that they're not up to speed where they need to be.

Yeah, listen, this is big boy business. And Colleg Racing and Chandler Smith had business decisions to be made. I think, and I have been privy to a lot of information to which I legally cannot speak to. But I think at the end of the day, both parties lost a little bit here and both parties won a little bit here. and when you look at teams, and I've been a part of the sport for a long time and a part of deals like this, when you look at situations where parties split before contracts are up, there are a lot of different scenarios around that. It can be sponsorship, it can be opportunity, it can be teams wanting other drivers.

It can be drivers wanting to go to other teams, right? A lot of different scenarios. But in the best way I can lay this out for you guys is what I just said. I think they both lost in some ways, and I think they both won in some ways. and I think when they look back two years from now, they'll probably both be happy they did what they did. Because you want people in your organization that want to be there, and you also want to be in an organization that wants you there.

And this particular situation in our sport requires funding, drivers, you know, crew chief. There's a lot of different things to go into these recipes to make race teams work. I mean, look at Sheldon Crete. I mean, look at how much better Austin Hill runs than him. So I'm sure that Sheldon Creed, for him to make a change, is saying, I'm not getting the same opportunities Austin Hill is getting

because you can't walk into Richard Childers's office and say, man, your team sucks because it doesn't, right? You look at Sheldon Creed now, he's making a move. Wherever he's going, he hopes he's going to win races. If you do not win races,

you do not have a five-year plan in place that's going to work in the sport. I don't care what series you're in. You look at Christopher Bell, he had one win two, three years ago. Now he's hot. He's not going anywhere. William Byron.

setting the world on fire. He's not going anywhere. The only way to solidify and cement your place in this sport and in this space is to win, win every year, and when often. Otherwise, you don't know when they're going to cut you loose. How common is it for drivers to a or teams to ask to be released or end their contracts early in NASCAR? I mean, I've known so many scenarios, Casey, where that's happened, where drivers have walked in and asked to be released. But I've also known scenarios where team owners have walked in and said, we want to release you. We want to fire you. We want to terminate your contract. We want to free you up to let you go talk to other teams. And if there's interest

out there and better opportunities for you, we want you to leave. So it's a 50-50 split again. If everything is working on the business side and everything is working on the competition side, nobody wants to go anywhere. But when there's problems, and the business side can be a lot of different things, the competition side, a lot of different things. When there's problems, people want to make changes. And that's normal. I mean, I mean, how many times, have you quit a job? A bunch. How many times have you quit a job?

Yeah, I think it's... How many times you've been fired from a job? Because I've quit jobs and I've been fired from jobs. This is no different. The only difference is there is a contract in place, and when there's a contract in place, you have to work through the legality of it. That means a lot of different scenarios are out there

to make both parties do what I said, lose and win. Moving on to what an idiot. What an idiot, man. What do you guys got this week? T.J., your eyes lit up. Who are you calling me? Well, your face kind of says it all. Call it guy that Rick John Saturday, idiot.

I can't believe Bill Jr. didn't know what T.J. stood for after all these years. I can't believe it. I can't believe it was listening to the show. That makes me even more mad than it. What an idiot. I don't know. There's a, man, just when you think you have somebody, somebody goes and tops it. I don't want to take Freddy's, but my biggest one for the, I mean, it was highly entertaining, but, um, the Saturday night stuff is ridiculous. Yeah, the car store. Yeah, the intentional wrecking.

Well, is Kip losing control already? I can't believe Kip goes over there and all hell breaks loose. Just cue a text message chain about from Kitt in a minute. Yeah, he's got his hands full right now. The intentional wrecking, the great race, actually, I was enjoying the show. And man, it went, it went bad in a heartbeat. I mean, the guy, two people race for the championship, take each other out, or not really take each other out. One got kind of taken out.

And then multiple times. And then's up the guy wins a race. But so which one do you really give the idiot? So the thing, I'm not there, so I wasn't privy to all the radio transmissions. We're talking about Katie Hettinger and Caden, Quaple. And they're racing, were they racing for the lead when they crashed first? Yeah. How yeah.

So, you know, they get, looks to me. It looks at me like Caden comes up. He kind of squeezes her a little bit, gets a little loose, and the back of his car gets in hers. And then she, like, chases them down the racetrack. It seemed like to me, and I could be wrong. And she wrecks. And it is what it is.

That was, I thought that was a racing deal. And wrecks other cars, too. Yeah, it collects other guys. But then the next restart, wherever it was later in the race. And from what I'm understanding, people on the team were telling her, instructing her to do this, which is worse. we've talked about that on here a hundred times about, you know, the one time Chad told Byron to go wreck Bush.

Byron's stuff ended up more wrecked than anybody. But then she goes and right hooks them down the front straightaway, which is the worst thing you can do in the sport. And we've said it before. Rex yourself too. Rex herself. Rex, her car worse than his. Obviously, he came back and won the race.

Her car is destroyed. And it's just a terrible look for what the, never should you ever right hook somebody, but especially for what happened down the backstretch, didn't warrant by any means. And this is kind of two weeks in a row, the same team, this is the same team that Nassie was driving for at Winchester 400 that's on the front stretch trying to fight a kid

and that ends up launching Steven's dad down the front stretch doing the burnout or donuts, whatever it was. You know, this is two weeks in a row. This same group is kind of looking bad and I hate to call them idiots because I like them guys, but it's a bad little.

You can like them and they still be idiots. Yeah, no, it's just, It's a terrible experience. Yeah, trust me, I know. But it's just a terrible look for the sport, for everything. And I would hope that some suspensions are coming because you can't just let people right hook people out there.

Yeah, even, what isn't there another race too that happened in? Something similar like that? I don't remember. I don't have a full-blown what an idiot. Actually, I want to give somebody a semi-idiot. I thought it was great yesterday that NASCAR was. was on NBC and went head to head

with F1 on ABC versus usually we're buried on cable and their own network. So it'll be interesting to see how the ratings do. I bet we're triple what they were. We'll see. This isn't my what an idiot, but there was some debate this week about how do teams

grow fan affinity of the team? And I think a prime example of this is in football, Tom Brady left the Patriots and he went to the Buccaneer. Patriot fans, state Patriot fans. Some of them. Most of them.

I have, I know some that they were like, I'm not saying that they didn't go support the bugs, but if you're a, if you're a Dallas Cowboys fan and Dak Prescott leaves, most of you are going to stay a Dallas Cowboys fan. And the debate was brought up this week in our sport. A slight difference between Dak and Tom Brady. Same thing. Same thing, regardless of how you think it's not. How many?

Seven rings. But when you look at you look at it. at our sport and the debate is we need fans to stay fans of a team when a driver leaves. There are very, very, very few instances where this applies. And I think probably the two most history teams where this has always applied in my lifetime was if you were a Woodbrothers racing fan, you were a Wood Brothers racing fan no matter who drove that 21 car. It didn't matter if it was David Pearson. It didn't matter if it was Morgan Shepherd, Michael Walter, Elliot Sadler, you were a Wood Brothers fan through and through.

Richard Petty. You grew up a Richard Petty fan. You were a 43 fan. No matter who drove that car, you remained somewhat of a Petty fan. Obviously, Richard Petty is now not in an ownership role, so that's changed a little bit. Track House is probably the closest thing I see right now to trying to develop the brand and do things that would make a fan stay loyal to a team. But at the end of the day, if Brad Keselowski sells his interest in Rouse Fenway, Kislauski today, and he leaves and he goes to Rick Ware Racing, every single Kislauski fan is going to leave and go with him.

It's just the way it is. We, our fan base grows up, attracted to, and I don't mean physically, I mean genuinely attracted to a person's persona, their talent, the color of the car they drive, all these things. But we form a relationship with the driver. That's never going to change for race fans. We're never going to stick around at a team when a different driver might have got my driver fired or my driver might have quit to go somewhere better. Like, I think, you know, the debate was brought up and I'm all for being a part of the debate,

but I think that we're missing how old school our fans are always going to be no matter of a whole. I think to your point, we, I being at the 43 for a few years, I got added to every group chat or group, you know, 43 fans or whatever it was. And there's just a loyal group of fans. that are going to be a fan of the now, maybe not so much because of, you know, just kind of switching their legacy. But for all those years, they were, Richard Petty fans were just, they didn't matter who drove to 43.

No. They were 43 fans. And the same with the Wood brothers, but to your, yeah. And now you're going to have, you know, take our team, for example, people could be, somebody of Michael Jordan fan is going to bring him into the sport. They're going to just be a fan of the 2311 team, you know, no matter who's driving it. So, but, yeah, I agree with you on that. If Bowley's 2311 tomorrow, all above a fans are leaving.

Yeah. They're following him. Go ahead. We just, we didn't make our, our stars got so big, though. You know, like, no matter where Adele Jr. went, they were going. You know, Tony, all them guys, wherever that driver went, he had such a following. And it wasn't just the team. Man, those guys were.

I think that's an age thing, though. I think, you know, to your point, Wood Brothers, like right now, I think, like, just message us, like, 2311 in Trackhouse, you do see how they're making efforts to have that same affinity, have the same fandom that O'Wood Brothers had, the history, the relationships that they have with their fans. I think they're doing a good job. And I do think that this is an age where the older demographics were just more loyal to a team because of where they start.

Plus, if you look at it, whenever whoever wins the race, you don't know. who them crew guys are. You don't know who that mechanic is. You don't know. You might, you know the crew chief, but you might. You might not know the crew chief, though. You do. You do now with, I feel like. Not as much. I mean, when a little kid watches that driver win, he doesn't, all he knows is that's my, that driver. He doesn't know most of the time. But with social media, I think Joe Gibbs Racing has done a great job of highlighting their pit crew and highlighting the guys. Who's the crew chief for the 42 cup car, Casey? I'm not saying them. I'm saying Joe gives. I'm saying people. I'm saying people. identify with drivers drivers. Drivers are the stars. I agree, but I do think teams have done a better job now. I don't disagree with that. I'm just saying like if Tony Stewart leaves Joe Gibbs racing to start Stewart-Hoss racing, he's going to take all of his fans with him. The only thing I think you have an opportunity to capture your fan is Jeff Gordon retires. All right? Now who's going in the 24, right? Dale Jarrett retires. Who's going in 88? You know, Rusty Wallace retires. Who's going in the two? I mean this year, Kevin Harvick is retiring.

You think all those fans are going to jump on the Josh Barry bandwagon? No. Some of them are. You think a Bowman inherited. A perfect example of that is Jeff Gordon. Jeff Gordon retires. Who goes into 24? William Byrne.

Chase Elliott. Chase. And they realized, we're going to build a whole different brand around Chase Elliott. Chase Elliott's got to get in the nine. And then you put Byron in the 24. But, you know, that's just a, you know, that was a case of this is not the Rainbow Warriors anymore. this is Chase's team. Well, not really.

All right, let's go and switch Chase to the nine and put somebody else in the 24. I forgot about that. So, you know, it's just, yeah, it's, it is based solely on driver. Look at Bowman, though, man, he inherited. One of the team owners said, and it might even been Keselowski that said this. It's a terrible return on investment for us to invest in what that is. And I agree with whoever said that because the affinity is always going to lie, for the most part, in the majority, with the driver.

Yeah. And, you know, Dale leaving, but Bowman has never really had his own. own identity. You know, he replaced Dale in the 88. Then he replaced Jimmy in the 48. Like he, and he's got a decent fan base. But I think a lot of it became because he was replacing Dale. Dales, he filled in for him. Yeah. He filled it for him. And then he replaced Dale in the 88. Now he's replacing Jimmy in the 40s. Why does Josh Barry have a big fan follower? Dale Jr. Dahl. Duh. Hands down. I also change his name to T.J. Barry. Do you guys notice that that went with William Byron specifically, obviously being in the 24th.

you know that brings a whole new fan base but I feel like just more recently with his success that he's had on track and how much he's grown I see more William Byron shirts out there than I did before. Yeah winning doesn't suck right but meaning like what you're saying about teams and drivers yeah he did get that fan base when he inherited the 24 but like he's also making a name for himself in a different light with his success where it kind of died down a little bit once Jeff retired. It's the same as Chris Bisher. Right.

Oh, I've seen. I've seen. I've seen more Chris Bisher. Did you ever see a Chris Bisher shirt before this year? He goes down and wins three races and now you see shirts. Even RFC shirts. Even RFC shirts. I've seen way more now than I did beginning of last year.

So it's just because of the- House racing was on top of the world. In early 2000s. Five cup teams. Five prominent drivers. Win in every race you freaking went to it felt like. And then they fell off. the face of the earth, went from five cup teams down to two, went from three and four and five

Xfinity teams down to zero, went from two trucks down to zero. Now, I think Brad's brought them back a lot of relevance because of his name. And I also think, obviously, the competition's gotten better in the last, you know, 24 months. But at the end of the day, I stand by the fact that the majority of fans are going to side with drivers over teams. And you people that don't, I love you for that. I'm always going to be a Wood Brothers racing fan. Until the day, that I die, no matter who's driving their cars. But I'm going to follow certain drivers before that. Moving on to DBC picks.

Is Casey still on a switch? Yeah, it's over. Okay. Oh, you're good now? For the record. For the record, it's over. You guys are all racing for a second. All you had to do was look back and Freddie had got to pick last when Denny got

DQed. So I should have been able to pick last. I'm glad. You guy didn't get to DQ. I'm glad he did originally. Then he got reinstated. Yeah, but when we recorded the story. See, I knew that was going to happen.

Okay, whatever. Whatever. All right, I'll take Bell. You could have Larson then. No, I'm glad. I won with Christopher Bell, although you just tried to cheat last week because Larson was going to be the one. I didn't cheat. I picked the order on the sheet.

I thought I was going to win again, man. Byron was in a good spot. And then he wasn't. He let me down. I taught him how to play blackjack, man. My only chance now is to split the bill. We are picking for Martin'sville. Freddie, you go first.

Somebody's eating for free. I'll take the kids menu that's I mean I've My best chance now is I've got to split I'm ordering two meals Casey Martinsville, Martinsville I'll take Bubba Wallace

Why not? Nice You throwing the towel in I won him above her here last year in DBC picks I don't remember where we finished but Never mind

What Never mind What are you going to say? I was going to tamper with the picks Oh don't do it wait just wait why who's next tj uh actually um brett's probably next i think it's my turn yeah oh this is wrong then math's hard oh andrew this is all andrew i'm looking at my phone here oh man ryan blaney i picked him

i no t j kind of sucks he's got to go for points but i'll take the six or we're all picking our own guys i can't say until the picture You were going to give me signals. What was your signal? No. And you actually can't even pick this driver, so. I'll take Byron. You didn't pick Truex?

No. Dude, you've seen his average? Guys got a 50th place average. Yeah, I know. He's good there. Everybody shaved their beards. What were you going to say, Andrew? That's what I was going to say.

In the beginning of the playoffs. Andrew. We all know Martin's. Oh, yeah. We all know that. But, like, he's also finished. How's that working out? Yeah, like, it's like behind tied.

Dylan. Fair enough. What's Margeville? Saturday, Sunday for y'all? Friday, Saturday, Sunday. Xfinity practice and qualifying Friday evening. For 15 minutes? 20.

20 minutes? 20. Yeah. 20 minute of practice. Yeah. Pretty much, yeah. It's okay. I'd rather do that than drive up there and do a four-hour practice.

I'd rather drive it every Saturday morning and practice and do it all in one day. That would be ideal, but I'm good with it. Just Exfinity, no trucks. Trucks are off till Phoenix? I hate it. Correct. Why? I hate it.

Why do I hate it or why are they not there? It makes no sense. It's a good track for the trucks. I think it's back next year, but it's close to home. They go all the way to F-Portland to race, right? Oh, God, here we go. But we can't race in Martinsville? Can we study economics?

Anybody. They're running Chicago, too. Anybody want to stay economic. Oh, my gosh. It sucks. Like, I would rather the truck series end this weekend at Martinsville with their championship weekend than to go to Phoenix. Could you imagine that bloodbath? That would actually be that.

Car's playing. I feel like the truck series at Martinsville is a very fitting identity for a championship race for that series. I mean, they turn into she shows every once in a while. They do. Oh, they do. But it's at, I'm here for it. But it's just, man. Too many off weekends in the truck playoffs. I agree that. Spot on the game. Oh, in the playoffs. Yeah. Like, it's too many. It's way too spread out. It starts before the Cup series. And then they only run seven races or something like that, right? I wish they lined up with each other better. Well, if you are able to make it, Xfinity 500 race weekend is one based off last year you do not want to miss. They do a great job. Xfinity's title sponsor? We are. Nice.

We are. That's fun. Here's my advice for Martinsville. If you're within four hours of here, go. It is an awesome racetrack, awesome experience. Amazing weekend, no matter where you stay, unless it's in a tent, do not sleep in the town of Marzville. There is not a bad seat in a house. They're in a good hotel in town.

I got a buddy named Dylan that's coming up there. He's celebrating his bachelor party in Martin's. Tell him this story. And what? Tell them the story about you text me and say, where should they do for there? He said, where should I text? Because I don't, like I text Brett and Josh Williams, who lives up there. And he texts me and he said, where should we go?

You know, we're going bachelor party. We've got to find something to do on a Friday night, I guess. And I'm like, I don't know. I can't really help you in Martinsville. But like, go to the Dutch Inn. I text Brett and he said go to Uber to Nashville He said

He said what I need to tell my friends to do They're on a bachelor party this weekend at Greensboro I said get an Uber to Nashville They're not even in a green's bar they're staying in the track I was trying to tell them to go to Greensboro You know what happens if you're going to They built a new casino in Danville So I sent them over there

Oh nice Danville's a really cool town Pretty town Do you know what happens when you go to the Dutch Inn What happens with Dutch flu? Dutch flu Not anymore right They still let them smoke in there

surely not. If I would guess I'd say, yes. Do they serve martinis? That'd give you the Dutch flu too. The flying Dutchman inside the Dutch inn is an iconic if you're, this kid's a modified driver from Riverhead and I told him, I said, you have, as a right of passage, you have to go have a drink

at the Dutchman multiple. That was the place back in the day for modified. I'm sure probably probably. No, listen to me, man. Of all the places we went, the two number one places to go in the 90s and early 2000s was the Sheraton at Dover, which is no longer.

No longer. The entire hotel is now closed down. And then the Dutch inn at Martinsville because those were two bars that you knew you could walk in and there'd be anywhere from eight to 12 cup drivers in there. Having a beer, hanging out with the fans, dancing, singing karaoke. Normal lifestyle. How many cup drivers do you be in there this weekend?

Zero. Maybe Danny. No chance. Not a chance. Yeah, he's going to. In that Fire City ward of that concert. The helicopter ring and leave the track in. drop him with the Dutchian and then say, come back to his house.

If there is a spot in the helicopter, I would love to be on it. But, Denny is you're listening right now. Margeville has got to be on your freaking bucket list. Oh, yeah, 100%. I tell everybody, every time that that's the answer when everybody asks me my favorite track. Yeah, it's really great. I appreciate your list. Hold on a second.

I got a quick question for you. I got a quick question for you. And I meant to bring it up earlier and I didn't. But I want to ask you anyway. That was not. 38 car, 38 truck gets black flagged. I mean, disqualified for... DQed for the windshield.

The race is not being in there. It was very obvious during the race, if you're watching and have any idea what you're looking at, that it's illegal. It's obvious, yeah. Should NASCAR have made them pit and fixed it then? Let me ask you, is it a safety issue? Is it caved in enough to where if something hits it,

it's a safety issue? Potentially. Because if it is, and I have to say yes, otherwise I think you have to take it after the race and find out what happened. Because so many times in our sport, I mean, listen, the T.J. remembers this. The last thing you wanted to see Jimmy Johnson doing a race when he was so dominant was to be struggling and hit the wall

and then have a chance to come down and Chad Canauss and his team work on that thing for five, six, seven laps under caution. So, I mean, my question is, what's wrong? We just saw, we saw, back in the day, you saw, like, if they did too good of a job of, you know, flaring out their skirts or the jackman ran into the side of the car and flared out the right rear too much, they made you come in and fix it. Now you watch this guy running down the front straightaway with his whole windshield caved in. Like, why are you not telling him, you better come and fix that now?

Because you're altering the playoffs, the whole race when people are, he's leading to race and people are reacting to, oh, this guy's going to win. Now I've got to do something different to where we can all see like, this guy's not going to win no matter what happens because he's going to get disqualified

because his windshield's caved in. Is there a scenario to which that windshield would have been admissible and permissible? I mean, I guess if it's damage maybe, but... Because if your NASCAR, do you know why it's failed? Can you say, man, this wasn't the team's fault? Listen, Michael Altrupp beat Elliott Sadler at a truck race at Daytona with half a rear spoiler.

Oh, warm out. I mean, we led, we're leading coming to the checker. Michael pulls out and drives by us running 40 miles an hour, fashion we can run. Because he only had half a rear spoiler. Should he have been allowed out there? No, but they deemed that the rear spoiler came off as part of a racing incident. even though it gave him a freaking 80 horsepower arrow advantage. So I don't have enough information about it.

But for me, Freddie, I look at it and I immediately say, is this a safety problem? If so, come fix it. Are they cheating? We don't know yet. We're going to have to see how this plays out. All right. Sorry. Got a sound about a tangent there.

I mean, they make people come in and fix doors and modifications and stuff. But they didn't modify the windshield during the race. Yeah, well, they, yeah, I guess. Well, it modified itself during the race. So did Kevin Harvicks. That was an accident. A few weeks ago. That was an accident.

Kevin Harvick, two weeks left. Man. Really cool to see Rodney and his family do the command yesterday. And that Budweiser car. Yeah, that looked good. Yeah. They did a great job. All of their videos.

I don't know who managed it Josh or Stuart Haas or whatever. Josh Jones ain't managing no videos. Their team, they work on those videos. Jerry McGuire don't know how to make a video. Jerry McGuire. He knows how to be in a video. Y'all are the worst. They kick the video.

They kick field goals. Jess, if you listen to the business of motorsports a couple weeks ago, Josh gave great credit to Jess and that whole team. She is the best of the best. That's awesome. They got her away from the Yankees, to be honest with you. They've done a great job. I mean, I teared up last week.

I think Kevin, I think he could pull off a win in the next one of the two races. Well, he's been the man of Phoenix forever. And he's a good short track. beat the championship. Yeah, but I'm just saying he's good enough. He's good at these tracks. You got to have a really fast car. Yeah.

And it's just for whatever reason, Stuart Huss cars are not fast right now. I think they'll be fast again very soon, but they're struggling right now. Good run fair camera roll yesterday. He stole the top 10. Harvick actually got up there in the top five or six there after the pit deal. Kevin Harvick. He's a stud. I mean, you talk about a guy.

I mean, it's unfortunate he didn't win a race this year, but this guy can still get it done. and he's going out. But it's going to be to the advantage of things like the Cars Tour. You know, he's going to go run cars to, like, you know, races. And you're going to see, yeah, I don't think Kevin's going to be the kind of guy that goes away. You know, I think he's going to be around because he's going to try and bring Keelan through the ranks of this sport somehow, you know, whichever path. His kid's the most diversified kid coming up.

Ever. Like, he runs everything. So, you know, it'll be interesting to see what path they take on. But Kevin's not going to be somebody that just disappears. I don't think. You're going to see a lot of him, obviously, on TV. but then racing as well. I mean,

been cup racing, you say full time since 2001. Obviously he missed the Daytona 500 that year, but he's a guy that you could potentially see Freddie, in my opinion, take on some ownership stake somewhere. I could see him buying into a track house, you know, in a minor majority role.

Like a minor role, not, can't be minor in majority. You know, minor majority role. Listen, I had a flu last week. My brain is still not right. But, I mean, I could see him buying into somewhere that he thinks owning a piece of the team will help him down a road

because he's got a plethora in a portfolio, with sponsors and you don't want to spread them out. You want to be able to house them in one spot and service them. Yeah, and you mentioned Eric Amarola running good yesterday. We've heard some, you know, obviously that it's, I don't know, I hate to say it's a done deal because he hasn't announced it yet, and we've been hearing this for a couple years that he's going to retire from cup raising. But I've heard a lot of interesting rumors about what he may do exfinity-wise next year. He may run some, you know, some really good team, some, you know,

B-level team maybe. But it'd be interesting to see if he jumps in a, because I think he could excel in a good infinity connection. I've heard five to 18 races for him. is exfitting stuff next year. So it'll be interested to see what it. And listen, that's another guy. Like, if he wants to stick around to race some, man, let him. Yeah, absolutely. That's the fun part about what we do.

But listen, thank you all for listening. Long show today. TJ was rambling and... I loved it. Okay, sorry, Casey. We didn't mean to upset you twice. Sorry, Casey. I mean, how is this different from you other day?

You didn't upset me at all. Most of the time I mean to upset. I'm apologize for an advertiserable answer again. I take everything in the grain of salt that you guys say. Smoker Casey. Smoking hot. Casey's, I have. Always allergies.

Plus, shout out to bartender Ben, who is on that Stuart Haas team that works on a lot of those videos. Does he? That's what be, yeah. Oh, good for him. They did a great job. Well, we just raise these guys and they just run off and leave us. Run off and do good job. That's right.

Raise them. Yeah. I'm proud of Dirty Moe alumni. Matthew Dillner, all of you guys that are out there that we've made your careers. You're welcome. Matthew Dillner got mistaken for Brett this week. Oh, my God. That happened.

He ain't got a cap tooth, red beard. I didn't think he was that ugly, but I didn't either. All right. We'll see everybody in Martinsville. Thank you for listening. Come say hi. Have a great week. We're out.

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