Door Bumper Clear - 316. Tyler Reddick & DBC Christmas: Inside Offseason Rumors

Episode Date: December 11, 2023

Deck the halls and stock the alcohol because DBC is back for a special Christmas episode! Cup Series driver Tyler Reddick once again joins the holiday show for some fun recapping the 2023 season and looking ahead to 2024. The group talks about all of the NASCAR offseason changes, spotters on the move, and explains what new game Freddie learned on his trip to Belize.In Spot On Spot Off, the group addresses Steve Phelps' comments saying "more horsepower isn't the answer," NASCAR's massive new seven-year, $7.7 billion TV deal, Joey Logano saying NASCAR fans are 'spoiled,' and Tony Stewart's move to run a full NHRA Top Fuel season. Plus the group shares their hilarious answers on the worst gift they have ever received, and finishes off the show by reading their favorite mean tweets. Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Door, bumper, clear. Hey, everybody, I'm T.J. Majors, and welcome to the special Christmas episode. Brett Griffin, I usually come in here and grab two waters. And today, I got handed three different kinds of drinks. I got a monster beast unleashed, Mick Ultra, which is my kind of go-to and I'm going to drink a lot. And what's this black thing, Tyler? Yeah, it's Beast and Leach original. Mean green.

The white one is the white haze. You're spilling everywhere. That I'm spilling, yeah. Tyler has destroyed. drinks. He's had two spills and a crash. We just got here, Freddie. Hey, what's up?

Freddie Crafts, spotter for Bubba Wallace, and I don't know who else now. That's good. That is, that is really good, yeah. What I recommend is getting, he said don't shotgun.

What I recommend is getting really drunk and trying to shotgun one. Because I've seen somebody do that one time. Yeah, what happened? We had to pour him into a car and drive him home. No names mentioned. Tyler, welcome to the show. Hey, what's up?

Hey, yeah. Merry Christmas. I figured bring some beast. Is that a beast over there? Like she cracking a beast? Look. T.J. is not partaking.

He's got to go be at that. I have, yeah, I have some school functions to go to a little bit. You can have one drink. I got one. I'll try, I'll wait until,

you know, I don't want it to be gone. Oh, TJ, even I'm drinking here. I'll give a, what, probably, which one's better.

Everybody but you was drinking here. Which one's better? You say that one's pretty good? Tyler said the original was pretty good. That is good. That is good. That is good. No.

For you, like, like. Yeah, we're going to go. When I'm asked that question, I feel like my go-to is like, you know, the white haze is like the white monster, you know, the original. The green monster's pretty good. The mean green is like the original. So if I put this in my fridge in my house and my kids think it's a normal monster and they're like really happy for Christmas. That absolutely tastes like a normal monster pretty much, yeah. Well, good news is only 6% alcohol.

Yeah. I want to keep it in my beer fridge just to make sure we don't have any action. That's actually pretty good. Yeah. Hey, Casey. Oh, hey. Casey, you want a beast. I can see Casey again, guys.

I'm so pumped about it. Casey. I like your shirt. I like your shirt. Andrew, thank you for scheduling this Christmas episode. Although we didn't schedule the dinner that I think Freddie owes us. I'm buying two steaks since I missed last year. Yeah, if you guys need a ride, I know a guy.

Tyler would like to attend and he already has a car service for us. I think Tyler's like grandfathered into it. He is. He is. Anyways, how's y'all's office? going so far. It's good. I actually took an all season

this year so far. I've only done one race. Mine was terrible until Freddie went on vacation. I saw him on a beach. That was time. I didn't get harpooned.

That was a good start to the vacation. Where exactly is Belize that? Belize that. Belize, I don't know where it is. Don't stop. Belize it.

I don't know. It's like the bottom of Mexico is the best way I could describe it. Oh, I thought it was its home country. So it's in Mexico. No, no, it's in its own country. But it's the, the tip of like the bottom like south of Mexico.

This is a great geogger season. I have no idea where the f***. You know how it is? You take a plane there from Dallas, Texas. Pretty got on the plane. Texas first. Yeah. That's the only time I,

you guys. You guys say Dallas, Texas, so we knew where it was. Got on the plane until he got to the tip and then he got off and, yeah, get off the tip.

Damn. But it was fun. It was a good time. Yeah, just right next door to Hawaii. Yeah. Probably 10, 12 hours. Dude, you had to be hot. That's warm.

It was hot, though. It was pretty warm. It's close to the equator. No, that's Exumas. Oh, yeah. We didn't really see any. No, that was, like, there was really no, I've seen some iguanas and . We saw a crocodile, which was a little terrifying because we were on a washed out road

driving somewhere, and there's a, there's a crock, just hanging out over here to the right. And I was like, yeah, hopefully this golf cart don't break down because we were driving. The first two days rain like hell. So we had this really good idea. somebody told us there's a place called secret beach which if you ever been to Belize you got to go or if you're going to Belize go that sounds like a place where you go to get where you stay there and you don't come back so somebody's like you got to go so we had the bright idea we're going to go they said it's two miles from your resort and we have

everything's golf cards you drive around golf cards and I was like all right that's not bad two miles I don't know who measured that that must have been some kind of Belizeian measurement it must have been two miles like straight across right like it must be like as the bird flies but yeah so So we got drenched, probably ruined a couple of golf carts. It was, uh, Sunshine was knee deep in a pond and a puddle trying to push Wyndham's golf cart out. And there's crocodiles.

Yeah, there's crocodiles around there. I mean, it was. And surely there's no alcohol involved. No, there was none that day. We were just tip-top shape. Did you catch any fish? You were fishing at one point. We did catch a bunch of fish.

Yeah, we caught it. They were, I, I'm not, uh, the water sports king of the world by any means, believe or not like, like a water sports. You look like a water ski. You look like a wake surf. Believe it. Believe it was a lot. me and Michael Phelps don't hang out on the weekends.

But they went down, all of them could do it. They went down in speared lobster, which I thought was really cool. I got in there and watched them do it. So why didn't you drive in? I was not diving. I'm too buoyant. My fat ass can't get into the water. He was the buoy.

So they did that. We caught some. Did you imagine Freddie floating on top of the water like a court with these guys tied to him? And they go down to Spears level. And he's like, they can't see you as a podcast. They're envisioning you with swimming. on trying to hold everybody up.

There's no swimmys. I just had some fins rolling. They're all looking at Freddy on. But don't worry. You can visualize it on dirt vision when it comes out. So feel free to do it again, Brett. It was good. We had a long...

I hope somebody drives a cartoon of you underwater spear and a... Spearing a lobster. What have you been doing? Have you been spearing a lobster? As soon as the season got over, a friend of mine, Greg Stumpf, got married. He's, you know, a guy that started off X paint. Paints a lot of helmets. So we went down to St. Thomas.

I've been down there in the past, like on cruise ships and stuff, but we went and stayed down there. He got married. Don't you think it's way better to just go stay? Man, I don't know. I really liked cruise ships. Yeah. I mean, I enjoyed my time there. We stayed at, I think they stayed at the, the wedding was at the Ritz Carlton and St. Thomas.

And I was like, okay, until I saw the bill. And I was like, I'm not doing that again. It was expensive. It was fancy. But it was nice. Like, you could walk down out of your room and there was like a serve yourself bar, which is dangerous, right? Just walk up or whatever you want and leave.

I think literally on the wedding day, I walked down there and they had like a bottle of tequila sitting there and all the guys wanted to loosen up a little bit. I just pretty much emptied the bottle into a couple cups and walked out there and didn't say anything. So I kind of made up the cost a little bit. I did that at a Gwen Stefani concert one time. Oh, yeah? Remember the divorce wedding deal?

Who was it they got tore up before their wedding? Dickerson. Jeff Dickerson. Yeah, that's a wedding story. He had to get remarried the next day because his wife was so mad. We should have him on. It was, it was like 30 people. He's a very good friend of the spotters these days.

We should probably get a longer. We should probably have Biggerson on here. We should. Yeah, it was like you said, right? It was warm. It was like 80 the entire time we were there night, day. That's awesome. It's really pretty.

And then you had a blast in Nashville, right? Yeah. Yeah. Well, one thing about St. Thomas that I want to talk about that was just wild, right? those that have been there know about it, right? But everyone drives like U.S. domestic cars over there, but everyone drives on the left-hand side of the road

in left-hand drive cars. That's sketchy. That's a little sketchy. Yeah. And the roads are about as white as this table. Yeah. And they're windy, hilly roads. And you're just like, how do people just not pile up,

just hide your head on all the time down here? The sketchiest part of my trip to Belize was they said, we're going to do the chicken drop tonight. And I'm like, I don't know what the fuck. chicken drop is, but I'm in, whatever. I thought we were going to dinner. Maybe it ends up being dinner. So we go to this place, I think it's Wahoos or something like that, maybe.

A chicken drop at Wahoos, Freddie. That sounds really like a good spot. So we go back there and I look at, we walk out on the beach and they've got this grid with number one through 100. You go over to this lady, you buy a ticket and it gives you the number one through 100. And the next thing you know, the guy, there's a DJ going nuts and the DJ's like, security bring me my fucking chicken and I'm like what the hell is going on like now here comes a guy dancing with a chicken through the crowd and he hands it off to another like a bar you know

somebody that's at the bar hanging out the chicken handler yeah and the guy goes all right you know the guy tells a story about where he's from what he's doing on vacation so the guy goes okay here you can do now you got to take the chicken so the guy hands him the chicken he's like he got to spin it around three times go up and down with it three times left and right with the three and at this point, I still have no idea what the f*** going on. And then he goes, and then you blow in the chicken's ass and throw him on the grid. And then...

I'm sorry, what? Blow? So the guy, the DJ lifts the thing's tail feather up. The guy blows in his ass, puts the thing down, they throw it on this grid. And then wherever the chicken sh-h-h-hits is the number of the winner. There's like a grid of numbers on the ground. Yeah, whatever the turfs lane is. Yeah, like whatever box the chicken shiots in.

That's the winner. It's just a bingo. Yeah. It's like chicken-s-bing bingo. I have to imagine the guy that has to blow in the chicken's ass makes a lot of money out of the deal. No, he's a, he's, I could have done it. Like, it's just somebody there hanging out. I'm glad you didn't.

It's not, we were trying to get Tyler. I know where you're going after spot. But I mean, I was like, they bring this thing out. They had told us like, oh, you whatever. And I'm like, next thing you know, this guy's flipping this thing around his head and up and down. Ten years from now. Now blow in the butt. I'm like, what?

He's really standing right. I got a good video of it. Ten years from now that DJ going to be, Freddie, bring me the chicken. I was like, that was fun, though. Is it something like you bet money on? Yeah, yeah. So it costs you like $2 or $3 a ticket. Yeah.

And then it's the winner takes all. So it's like $200. I think one was $500. Like, so you just win whatever you want. They have one like every half hour. They do a chicken drop. So if you're in Belize,

go to the chicken drop. I don't know what the bar was. I think it's a while. There's a guy that lives in Belize that used to work at Junior Motorsports. You know, remember Phil. Somebody told me that. Phil.

Stephen told me that. Yeah. He used to work here and he got done here and he just went there. And now he's a, I think he takes care of a rental property or something there. It was nice. What do you guys have to do? What are you doing doing?

I don't think I've been doing anything after listening to you guys. I mean, St. Thomas and Nashville and... I'm sure you went to Columbia at some point. I did go to Columbia for a game. Secret Beach there? For two games, actually. Yeah, we won one, lost one. I mean, I've had fun.

It's been a quiet, quiet. Listen, I got three kids when you got three kids that are in school with, I'm waiting for Christmas and he'll get busy from there. So, T.J. knows a deal. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's a handful. But we, I mean, I've been pretty quiet. Went to my parents' house for Thanksgiving and went to a Bill's game where they beat the Jets.

Is that the one he invited us to, but then didn't really invite us? Yeah, once a game, we'll still get ready to start. Yeah, that would have been a good one to go to because they literally was, it was rowdy that day. And they beat the Jets pretty bad. So that was even better. We, I went in really early and got to see, you know, honestly, the access that you have early. if you go into the stadium. Like, the players are all really out there, and you can, like, Stefan Diggs played.

Is Joy Lagano know that? I don't know. He's probably never been to a Bills game, but Stefan Diggs played catch with fans for like an hour. So any. Joy Ligano said our fans are spoiled. It sounds like you're a spoiled football fan. I must be a spoiled football fan. But that's the lowest that I've ever sat.

And I sat 10 rows up behind the Bill's bench. And you kind of get spoiled because you can actually hear the conversation. He admitted it. He's spoiled, too. Well, from normal seats where I always sat before, like you could actually tell a lot more what's going on. If you're into football, like, I'm into football quite a bit. So, like, it's, it was cool to be here, the conversations and see them come off there and see the interaction between the players and guys like Stefan Diggs is an unreal character and team builder guy. He is up and down that bench talking to every single guy, motivator completely.

So I have a whole, I thought he was before, but I have a whole new impression of him right now, just what he is as a teammate. but no it was fun then um did that had Thanksgiving and come back my youngest Stella broke her arm so that that was a little bit of a she didn't break her arm she broke her elbow elbow that sounds worse I don't know that's way worse yeah it's not fun when

little ones break their arms but she's in a cast now and she she gets it off on the 18th so that's good and off before Christmas Kelsey you jump Kelsey who the fuck is Kelsey Casey did you jeked any airplanes since Phoenix junking? Oh did I like I like

I've been on a lot of airplanes, and I'm really sorry to whoever was on my flight from Fort Lauderdale to Charlotte after Thanksgiving, because that was all Chloe. But yes, I can say all the other flights for. How was your trip to California? Did you go to a bunch of vineyards? Oh, yes. A lot of wine was had. I guess there was a race, too. Chris is really pumped that there was, I think they rained out one day, like pretty early, and he got to tag along.

He was our photographer. It worked out really well. He seemed like he was really happy about that. Yes, Placerville, California, if you ever get a chance to go out there, especially for that U-Sacqueries, I mean, there's nothing better. Larson win that race? He did. He swiped it. He won like everything out there.

He swept it. Yep. And then Florida. I'm surprised. Wow. And then Nashville, which was, I feel like we just, you know, they always, I don't know, I love Nashville. They always do a great job there. They, uh, there's a lot of fun to be had in Nashville.

Yeah, a lot of parties, a lot of open bars. I usually works out good. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Freddy kept racing for a while. They bring around food to you too, but for whatever reason, it's just when you go to those things, you're like, yeah, no, I don't eat.

I think that's where Tyler and I schemes, like, what dinner is going to be like. We're planning on, like, the most expensive steak restaurant because it's on you this year. I can skip it. I'm, honestly, I don't remember all the conversation. conversations we had. You can't skip it if you're the guy that paid you. Just a second. Because I skipped and I was the guy to won. We'll save the bill. Freddie didn't quit racing until like five. I did run two races. I ran two races like the first two weeks off, but then then I quit. Yeah. I didn't go to snowball. Oh, yeah, that's right. You didn't do

the snowball. Yeah. Okay. I went to Southern National and watched a great litmall race. Did you go? Oh, it was entertaining. Did you go to, what do you call it with Dale? Oh, you're going to go? You weren't the one yelling the kid. That was Joey. No, yeah. I get a tweet during There's a race. Dale ran, what was it, the South Carolina 400. That was only 250 laps. I don't know. But so, Dale, I don't know, he must have got into it with some kid, like a young kid or something. And there's a tweet that was like, that kid needs to learn his lesson or something. And I'm like, here we go. T.J's beating me and the children again. Oh, yeah. Friends out of winning. I'm like, hey, man, I'm not there. You know there, right? And that's the same kid that the kid's good for, I mean, he's young, like really young. Who is it? I don't even. Tristan McKee.

Okay, yeah. Yeah, so he was there the first race that I did for Dell Jr. down there, and he was fast. Is he one of the ones you? No, he's one of the ones that was, he'd get to you, and everyone's saving tires, but he'd get to you. He ran into, like, five or six cars straight, and when I, we got to us, I told Del Jr. I'm like, hey, this kid is running everywhere. He said, he moved up and let him go, but the kid ended up wrecking on the front stretch

really hard. He just needs to drive at a 9 out of 10 instead of a 15 out of 10, and he'll figure out he's young. We'll get to it later, but my wood and the year came from that race. Dude, no, if you went to Southern National, you might have a new water. Oh, really? I saw them fighting, but I think I was on vacation. Should I go through what? Did you see any of that?

So we get there. Me and Brad drive up there on that Sunday, and we're sitting in a stands right across from where this all this stuff starts. A guy leading the race or running second gets run over by the guy in third. I mean, he just runs over him and wrecks him. Well, the guy gets out of the car. He's walking back down the pit road area. Well, the guy that wrecked him's coming down pit road where the wrecked

He tore up his own car too. And I'm like, this isn't probably, I mean, they're going to meet. So he goes up to the passenger side of the car and reaches inside. And he's like, then he starts grabbing wires. Good move. I like that. Yeah. Resourceful.

There was, then there was guys getting in the driver, getting putting headlocks. And I did see a girl get her hair pulled, but it ended up being from her sister. Was that at the track? Oh, that was the rate during that time. Yeah. Her own sister pulled her hair. Yeah, trying to get her out of there. because she was uh she

guess she has a really short fuse and she's and her sister saw it was a good good sister move um but so that's not the end of it we go down we cross the track after that race and we're talking to people and seeing a lot of old friends there um and we're getting ready to cross back before the the late mall race and the guy um they got wrecked in the limited race is racing the late mall race for another team well the dad of the kid that wrecked him walks up to that car. I mean, the drivers are in the cars. He reaches in the side of the car. And so it's ripping wires out of that car. So another fight breaks out. And there is, uh, it's,

it sounds like a shit show. Yeah. I mean, we're standing like, what is going on here? Um, so we, they end up delaying the race or slowing it down to get, let them fix that car real quick. And, and, uh, the race ended up being really good. Josh and Butterbean and, and, and Caden, put on a really good show. So one of the best, probably one of the best, probably one, of the best, if not the best late model race that I've witnessed in person with them guys. I mean, they swapped the lead to last probably five, six laps in a row. The lead swapped every single lap twice a lap. Yeah.

I've seen a video that we've posted or Race America posted that was 25 laps of them just kind of going. Dude, it was unreal. Josh ran him down, and he was really polite in the beginning, and then he moved him a little bit. And as soon as that, as soon as he touched him a little bit, it was like, okay, as soon as you get frame, I'm moving new, then they just took turns. I mean, they were doing the whole thing where you lift before the corner entry to keep the guy pinned on the outside so we can't turn out and cross you over. They were doing

like a lot of great short track moves and nobody wrecked. It was clean as could be. I mean, it was rough, but I mean, it was like, I ain't, that whole place was on their feet. That's good. Well, let's start off with a pretty hot topic because I feel like Freddie, Brett, you've tweeted about it. You like that store? What in the world? Oh, yeah. Just kidding. I used shopped there a lot. I have I haven't had breakfast today. This thing's really strong. You're getting light in it. Me and you both, I ain't eat either.

You're going to be a lot. Because I was smarter than you guys. You are going to be a lot of fun today. This tastes just like a regular monster. What are some, do we need to start highlighting some spother changes? Because I feel like they're changing more than the driver's on. Spotters are changing. Listen, I don't, Freddie may have a whole list.

Salaries changing. Salaries Dublin. I'll get some of that. Is that for you guys too? No, because I'm unemployed. Listen, anytime the sport takes its most popular driver, Chase Elliott, and its champion, Ryan Blaney, and key members, I call us offensive coordinators for all you football fans out there. Nothing is more important when the race starts than the driver. Second most important thing is a crew chief making the car better.

Third most important thing was you take the green, and my mind is the spotter because he's obviously the eyes and ears. When you have changes, Tyler, at that level, I mean, I didn't expect to see Chase Ellis. and then Ryan Blady changed spotters. Did you? Yeah, no. Yeah, hearing that was very interesting, but, you know, I recently went through a change, right? You know, parting ways with Derek as I came over 23-11 and picking up Nick, pain. So with the younger guys, like someone like Nick that lives here, right, it made that transition

pretty easy because we were able to spend a lot of time together during the week to get up to speed and everything's a little different, right? Everyone's experience on the roof is probably at a little bit different place. Like Eddie and Josh have a lot of experience on the roof. So they may not need to spend. You know, everyone's different, right? What they need is different depending on the drivers. So but to see, you know, guys that have worked with the spotter, you know, that long and then just switch it up.

I mean, there's a learning curve to that for sure. You know, you got to get used to it. So it'll be interesting to see how that works out because, I mean, we go to the clash and we go right to the biggest race the year, 500. So you need to kind of be on the same page. And this year, I think, about most years is not only do we go to the 500, we go to Atlanta week two. So you're starting off back-to-back plate races, which we, Ryan Blanchard is a kid. He's going to go spot for John Hunter. He was a third spotter.

He's somebody I know from the modified ranks. And we got him a job at 2311 and was Tyler's third spotter. But happy for him at the same time, right? Like that's what you want to do when you bring on these guys to do the second or third at the road courses, right? the hope if they're trying to pursue it, you know, as a full-time job or as a, you know, career opportunity, you want to give them the experience and hopefully put them in that position, be able to go get that full-time job, right? Like we've had Greg Stumpfant and talked about him earlier.

He does it kind of for fun. He's not necessarily looking for that as a job, right? He's already got his hands full-painting helmets, but it's cool to see that for Ryan because I thought he did a really good job in the role that he had, so for him to, boom, get thrown into it and get to go cup racing is exciting. Yeah, we're a breeding ground for Cups spotters in 2013-11. Nick, Nick, that spotter for Tyler this year was my second spotter for Bubba two years ago. Then Blanchard's going up.

I think my second spotter may be getting a cup job this year. Brent wins. So that'd be cool. But in all I have right now, 13 spotter changes. Joel would call it poaching season. Poaching season. So what? David Keith, God rest of soul, would call it ninja season.

Ninja season for sure. What is the reason now? Money, money, money, money, money. Money, money. Where's this money coming from? It's cut, like we talked about earlier in the year, Spire made it a point to go out and get talented spotters. You know, they felt like, to Brett's point, they felt like there's three people really in control of things on Sundays, which the driver, the crew chief, and the spotter. So they were willing to go out and get talented drivers, the best crew chiefs they can get, and the best spotters they can get.

And with them doing that and offering guys, Brad said double. But let's be honest. When you look at it from a business perspective, yes, it is a lot more money in our world as spotters, but for a billionaire-ish team owner to upgrade your spotter for $50,000, we're not talking about a lot of money. Yeah. And what that did was, what's the like rising tides, raises all ships. Like now guys were threat, guys that didn't have contracts were saying, okay, well, I'm going to go to Spire. Unless you, Matt, you know, their Spire was making these offers and guys that were out of

contract will go, I'm going to go over there if you can't match it. All right, now we're going to match it. So then in turn, now it's raising the salary of all the guys that are staying where they're at. And then obviously some guys you see Josh is leaving. There's another guy leaving Penske. Harrison spotter Tyler's leaving. I think with those two, though, it's really important to say, Tyler Green spotted for Carsonosa Warren trucks, longstanding relationship. Josh Williams, longstanding relationship with Zane Smith. Yeah, they built these. These are, they've, this isn't just like a one. Yeah. This has been building. years years of working together but to your point it certainly helps the market yeah for sure i mean

you see we've seen feedua is going to go spot for blaney now um so that opens the four car up i mean but there was a lot of things to the background of that for in order for you know there was things hinging on each other for the for josh to go and for timmy to be able to go over there and they just got cleared up like yeah the one josh made that announcement so that was yeah three days ago three days ago did you ask brad for more money yet not yet I'm so under comment. This is going to go. This motherfucker spotted for the richest, most popular driver in NASCAR history

making middle of the market. So no. That is actually true. That's actually very true. He got gift cards. I always shot for the top of, regardless of performance, my fat ass shot for the top of the market. T.J was fine living in the middle. I got bills.

I got kids. I got Bill. I got Brett. I got to hang out with it. I got to get more money. Yeah. That's also change. A lot of this is timing, though, too.

Like when, like Freddie said, when your contract's up, you know, it's hard to go on. I mean, Freddie had another year, right? It ain't that hard. Same thing here. Like, I'm not like if they want to, I mean, you don't want to go in there and rock the boat. You know your time's coming. And it seems to go up. I'll rock the boat for you.

You want me to call Newmark for you? No, absolutely not. I don't need to be my own agent. I understand that. I feel like I kind of had rock the boat as well. Yeah, yeah. Cheers. Cheers.

Cheers of rocking boats, Tyler. Here's where these guys screw up. They think they're going to go in there in numbers. Let's three or four of us walk in there together and talk to a general manager and get more money. No, you idiots. Do you not realize how business works? This is where these guys are spotters or not business people.

I think that I heard one team that was talking to one of the spotters and one team's like, well, if we do that for you, we got to do it for everybody. And I'm like, no, you know, if they don't come in here and export, you ain't got to do it? If I go in there and ask for this X amount of raise, it doesn't necessarily mean I'm not negotiating for me and Nick, my teammate, you know, I'm negotiating for me.

If Nick wants to come in here and go, yeah, I want the same as Freddie, more power to him. But, you know, I'm not worried about what everybody else is doing. I'm worried about what Freddy's doing. We're still. And Tyler, I would love to hear your perspective on this because obviously I knew Elliot Saddle worked with him like a brother to me, a family member of me forever, Clint Boyer, same way. Jeff Burton, I knew for a long time before I spotted for him. But the relationship is so important.

And to your point, I spent every waking moment with Elliot during the week on airplanes, and buses and freaking appearances because I was his business manager too. He made me a better spotter. How much better did you see Nick get this year because of you? I mean, we spent time together, but I was, I gotta be honest. Like, I saw a lot of that drive just come from himself. You know, he was really motivated. That was something that really excited me in the beginning

when we were, you know, me and Billy sat down to talk to him about getting paired up together and working together is I could just, in the conversations, we had, if you will, in our interview, right? Like, I could just tell he had the similar drive and, like, as a driver, I have drive and I look at things and, you know, this is how I want to improve, right? If you would take that and put that in a spotter's position, like the things that he's focusing on, working on paying attention to, he was doing all that and he was focusing on all of that, all of that.

He likes Rolexes too, so you got to like money if you like Rolexes, right? Speaking of a need to raise. I think, unfortunately, you know like Bubba is you know I would you call it like a a I don't know what there's a lot of names I call Bubba I got to be honest like Bubba loves Rolex watches advice yeah and somehow you know Nick you know I think I don't know did he have one I don't know if he did before the year started oh I know he's got one now but did he buy the one off but like I feel like no but but Baba having all these nice Rolex

I feel like it kind of rubbed off on Nick and and he went out in Vegas and got a Rolex He's pissed his drunk. Damn. No, he wasn't, but he pissed his fiance off. I know that. They're getting, they're getting married here in a couple days. Here's the deal. Nick had to cancel half the wedding. That's what I said. He went from the wrist car. We went from an open bar to a cash bar because Nick bought a roll. Went from the Ritz to the Hilton, man. It's, it's bad because, you know, he's even trying to work on. This is an older one. I've had this for a couple years. Actually, it was my, I think my grandfather got in like the 90s. That's it. Oh, that's a family watch. That's an air watch. Hand me down. don't count. I didn't go buy it. Here's the thing about Rolex, though, for all you ladies out there who get upset when you're a man by Rolex. You look into Casey. What is on that? Well, I just want to make sense. I'm sure Chad's got a ton of Roll. Yeah, Chad's probably got a bunch. When you buy a race cars.

When you buy a race car like Chad boat, it goes down in value. When you buy a Rolex, it's going at least hang the market, if not go up. Imagine buying a Rolex pre-COVID. It's doubled in money. That was my favorite, my favorite part of that weekend, because we have obviously given Nick a lot of a lot of shit on that weekend. And he's like, I can sell it for double right now. And I'm like, no, you couldn't. Because if you could sell it for double, that guy would have sold it to you for double. Yeah.

Yeah, I don't. That's, that's, that's, I don't understand the, the watch game. I would just get him a new headset. Casey, he's got one of those too. Oh, yeah. Oh, he's getting it. I've heard.

So he is. Got a new scheme on the way. New scheme. No pain train. Is the rap song I want a roly, rolly, rolly, rolly with a dab a ranch? Is that what the, what the, what are you asking me?

Oh, yeah. Are you up on the, are you up on the, are you up on the latest rap music? I have no idea. I mean, that's not really late. That's not late. That's old. It's old.

I have no idea. But if you're trying to tell me. If you're trying to tell me that. In the line dancing. I was actually. I was not cold dancing. Line dancing. Roly.

Rollie, rolly with a side of dabber range. Next on stay. Brad, I found it. It's, it's this song. Rolex. I know. I know the song. I just don't know that said dab a ranch.

Or if it said. Dab a ranch. Put ranch on your Rolex? That's what I don't know. It is dab of ranch. All right. Well, we are way off topic. Let's quickly, uh, no, obviously we mentioned the spothered changes.

What are the spotter changes you got, Freddie? You got a list. You want them all? Yeah, let's hear him. I'm not doing all. See you. Josh Williams leaving. Josh Williams leaving.

Tyler Green leaving to go to Hosevar. Eddie to Hunt's going to, uh, I don't know if he's announced yet. Yeah. You can imagine next on list Tim, Tim, Tim, Tim, he was going to Blaney. So you might put that together. Jason Jarrett is leaving colleague. I don't know if he's announced where he's going yet. Blanchard, we just said, is going to John Hunter.

Crazy. Chris Osborne, I hear he's making a return. Like I said, Brent Wins, my second spotter may be doing it. Fisher, what's his first name? Oh, yeah. That was my second guy. That's your guy. Appreciate it, Fisher.

What's his first name? Michael. Michael Fisher. Oh, yeah, I heard you got some Indycar guy. Michael Fisher. Isn't it funny? The middle of the ground guy who gets mad at the guy for trying to, you know, raise his salary up. I talked to that guy, Brett.

He said he's sticking with you. Who? All road core stuff. I heard there was some IndyCar engineer you were bringing in to spots. Oh, no. I've got a list of people that I've read the data better. Yeah. I tell you,

that's kind of what I heard they hired them for. TJ's hiring an assistant comes down there on the roof of them and read data. I heard they hired somebody that's going to be a spotter slash engineer. So is he going to make more money than you next year? There's probably a good chance. I'll tell you the guys I got jobs for going to make more money than I am, which is terrible. Yeah, that's unfortunate.

But, uh, what a day is. I don't think I really, it just knocked all the sound out. it's back. I don't think it really helped that. Sorry. Andy Houston is going a spot for the driver of the 10,

who you probably saw hanging out in the shop the other day. Well, Joel said he signed. What do he signed? Joel, I think, is going to sign to do. Joel's signing to do Coach Gibbs' new driver, who he announced on the sidelines of a football game. Good times. And then I don't know.

I heard some other, I'm assuming, I haven't heard this for sure. I assume Trey Pool is going to spot for Chase Elliott. I would think. I don't know. Who else they would get? But, yeah, I don't know. so interesting but yeah i mean it's it was

dominoes and that chase elli and edith hunt deal just came about like all these other deals we knew about months ago that one was last week two weeks ago whatever it was so that that one came up so what what about uh who you just noted going to the 10 is that confirmed yet i mean Noah it's Noah hanging out in the shop I mean what I mean you think he's just hanging out with Drew I thought he said it to snowball he that's what I told there was some reports out there he said he is the done deal yeah I mean I don't know what the holdup is on announcing it

I'm assuming sponsorship or something, but they've got pictures of hanging out in the shop. He mentioned the snowball. So, I mean, there's nobody else to put in there. There's nobody else to put in there. What else is there? I mean, who else is left now? I mean, I guess the bandetto, he's still, he's still updating weekly on that. He's got no update.

Yeah. And I saw, I saw AJ. Okay. Freddie Edmonds. I saw AJ. I love Joel so much. I'm just going to be a complete. So the whole show.

I mean, yeah, like, Joel. Me and Eric got along great on the racetrack, but yeah, Jolt's pretty damn funny. I don't necessarily agree with everything he says, but I was, I don't agree with anything he says and it's still funny as the way he was saying, like, I've been trying to peel the roof back on that three. Yeah, that'd have me rolling when I heard that. I mean, do you hold a grudge?

No. I mean, I know drivers hold grudges, but damn, that's impressive. I don't know if it was couch racer or one of Brett's tweets. love time. That was like, it was like, all these spotter changes and Joel replied, yeah, I'm spotting

for the three next year. He was, that was a good episode. I mean, if that happened, clear high. No, no, he'd wait until they went green and turn his radio off and make him,

yeah, get black flight to come out there. Oh, Lord. Oh, well, what about, Tyler, what are you hearing from this test that took place in Phoenix? I don't think you want to.

Are, what? Put in some crickets. It's cricket town. There you go. Yeah, I'm not really hearing anything. Don't touch that one. Well, we know who would touch it. Good news is they drove 2,000 miles to test mufflers.

No, they test a lot more than that. I know, but couldn't we test mufflers right here in the business part? We tested mufflers last year there. I was at that test. I think the mufflers deal is more of a validation. Like, you know, they made, I think they made some further changes just to make sure, you know, they were, I think we ran at Chicago, they were, you know, not really happy with the temperatures in the car. So they did some more work to, you know, just really get the, the heat radiating

through the chassis to the driver and all that kind of worked out a little bit better. I'm almost, I'll tell you y'all one thing about mufflers. Our cup cars are too fucking loud. Do you remember the first test? Yeah. They're really, really loud. I mean, listen, I'm not a guy. The guns, like the will nuts, like I remember we were at the Daytona test and I'll sit up on the roof when

Austin was driving a car. Oh, it's loud. I was up on the roof and I'm like, dang, you can hear those guys. They're loud from like half a mile away. The first text, when we tested Charlotte, I was in the infield, we weren't going to go out for like an hour or so.

So I was in the infield and I was going to drive around to the roof. And so they went by and the first text I sent Brett was, these things are loud as f***. Like it was ear pierced and it's not so much like, I don't have a problem with cars being loud, but it's like the pitch of it is like ear piercing. It's not like, it's bad. a fruity engine.

It's like a... Like the old car, you know, Xfinity truck, the old cup car, you know, the Gen 6 car. You know, it was loud. But like, when we went to the next-gen, we went to the next-gen car, I mean, I had to go find an audiologist, I think it's called, like a specialist

to like really make sure my ear mold's sealed because I would get out of the car after the race and my ears would hurt. I would lay down in bed. But they ring for a day. And they would ring for days. Like, drive me crazy. So, I mean, the cars were just, I mean, if they were any louder.

Remember that car they built, garage, whatever. Yeah, that car, remember when it would get on the straightaway? You would hear it, like, it would stand out. One car by itself is too loud. When you put 40 up out there, it's way too loud. We tested those mufflers last year. And listen, I love loud. Like, I love to know that it's a race car.

I love to know that the motor's screaming. But if you're a fan and you're anti-muffler right now, you've not sat at a racetrack in the last year. Or they've sat at all of them, and they've lost. They can't hear anything. I think that's what's happened. I will say, though, those mufflers, when we tested them last year there, it was like, when driving to the track, it was like 28 degrees, like, in the morning.

So I'm sure they never got a real sense of what the heat would be when the temperature cold. Yeah, I don't think I ran that second day. Did you want to see a Nix test? I think I saw you after the first day. Yeah, we ran into each other that night. Yeah, I didn't. I was in the car.

But, yeah, it was a lot quieter. And, I mean, I don't know, we ran at Chicago. you know I thought I mean I understand we kind of had to do it there but I mean driving the car and and hearing it I mean I always like louder is better and like my street cars and anything else but but I honestly thought the sound of the engine inside the car and outside the car was just I mean it's more tolerable but also sound a little bit better too so I was like yeah I don't have a problem but I think they've they've worked to fix that what about the new Toyota Camry and the Ford Mustang what are you hearing I know it was the first time it was on track, what Phoenix? Obviously, you weren't there, but whatever you heard from that? Yeah, we had some people from 23-11 attend. I think Dave Rogers went, Julian Pena. Maybe, I think Eric Smith may have went from our side.

But, yeah, you look at the timing sheets. It certainly looked like, you know, it was no surprise the 20 was really fast, but it was also really cool to see, you know, the 43 with Eric Jones driving it, Legacy Motor Club car be, I think like on the day that I was looking at the first day, know P2 so certainly seems like we didn't go in the wrong direction with the new car so and I believe me I wasn't thinking we would so it was it was nice to see the speed out of that car and um and I'm you know Blaney was really fast there when we ran the championship race but uh he seemed to have good speed too so it's it's hard to really say with with the test environment and you know them doing

package changes and stuff but yeah it seems like I'm not 100% sure everybody goes there There's no tech attest. Yeah, I'm not sure everybody goes there with their... But like in today's... Yeah, with that car. What's the point in taking something outrageously out of bounds to a test? I don't think you... I don't know if you take exactly...

You're not going for a championship there, so I don't know if you're really... But are you really going to see anything details-wise on the car anymore like you used to? Like, you used to be able to see people getting aggressive with side skirts or defamation in areas. Not in the car, really. I mean, it's hard to look at it, though. The Ford looks quite a bit different, so... The nose of the Ford looks really high. Like the fenders are really tall.

And the size where it players up a little bit. I think where the headlights and everything on the front of the car is just drop down even lower. And that makes the fenders. How does it work? Obviously, you mentioned, you know, 2311 guys going for a JGR car and the Legacy Mother Club car. How does that work? You're obviously not going to share certain secrets, right? You're just kind of more there for the manufacturer purpose.

No, I mean, like with... How many else is this thing? Oh, my God. Breast doing math, I said. Get him water. 16 ounce. Get him water right now. He was like,

unzipping his shirt a little bit ago. He's worn up. 21 plus on here. No, like with us, you know, we have alliance with JGR. I don't honestly, couldn't tell you

LMC status with all that. But, you know, they got Dave Allen's smart crew chief I won a championship with him. Very resourceful guy. You know, they've been even towards, even through last year,

you know, they were able to show up to the track at times and bring a lot of speed. And I know after their future partnership got announced, necessarily. I don't think they were getting the stuff they were getting before. So for them to bring that speed to the racetrack just shows that team's going in the right way. Cool. Well, before we head into Spot on, spot off, if you all are looking for a holiday gift, head over to

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No, I can tell you how much it was. $250. Yep. You got two of them, right? No, no, no, no, no, no. Let's get that. That was a, that was a, let's, let's, um, how can we make this not look as bad? Yeah.

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To the, to the, to the, to the, to the, to the, to the, 50. Left on it. Bray, you want this. other one? Yeah. You want crack another one of them? Oh, no way. Brett's shaking. I'm going back to my normal beer. Oh, really? Come on. Dude. Tyler, look at him. I got to leave in an hour and a half. Are you going to be driving? I'll be fine. I'm going to drink a couple. Listen, I've already drank half a bottle of water since you said that out in the water. You like, you like pulled, peeled back off the throttle a little bit or a lot. Well, you're right behind the fire. I thought we fixed the air condition. They're too close to the

fire. The issue is we don't have AC and it is very cold outside. So, Brett, you should be quite comfortable. Not when he's drinking that stuff. Water? Literally holding a water right now. Pace yourself. I have no words. Let's move on to spot on, spot off.

Spot on, spot off. Spot off. Spot on. Spot on. It was super fun yesterday to ride around there. I am spot off. Damn. Where did he come from? First topic. Steve Phelps. says, I don't think the answer is more horsepower because more horsepower is expensive.

Brett, you're on a roll today. Go for it. Boy, I'm going to sound real dumb. You cool enough? I won't be the first time. We'll let you know. I thought our motors were capable of producing massive horsepower right now. I thought the EFI kind of kept the number down.

Is that somewhat accurate? Help me not sound but so dumb. know, I wish Dysinger or Andy Graves were here to kind of help me out here. But as I understand, it's not too far out of reach. But anytime you increase horsepower, I wouldn't say the reliability, but the lifetime of the engine is going to go down, right? And so I think with the target number of races that NASCAR is wanting us to hit, you know, the amount of races we run with these engines.

So I'm not lying. That would change. I'm not lying. I'm going to be honest. I can't say with 100% certainty that you could. I was told by an engine builder a while back, not like a Doug Gates, but like a guy that works in the engine shop, that we run the most expensive 600 horsepower motor in the world.

And I don't know if that's accurate or not. But I was also told that it was capable of running way more horsepower than what we do. Listen, fans want it. Here's my struggle with it. Freddie and I right now could leave the studio and we could go out and we can afford at our salaries, not yours, Tyler, CJ can't afford this, he's in a Tesla, we can afford to go out and buy a car with 650 horsepower.

So the Superman mentality that I had growing up with race car drivers driving these crazy amounts of horsepower, i.e. Dale Earnhardt, Dale Jarrett, Ricky Rudd, whoever you want to name that drove a 900 plus horsepower car. Even you when you did an Xfinity Series winning a championship, I missed that as a fan. when I hear people of the media, people in the industry, people in NASCAR saying, yeah, fans don't care how many horsepower it is.

Yes, I do because I have a massive respect. I mean, listen, I was an FFA convention in Indianapolis. These kids walked up to the car and they started asking me questions. What's your gear ratio? What's your horsepower? What's your transmission? What's all these things? And they're looking at me like, and they go, man, my uncle's dirt car has more horsepower

or the 600 horsepower. I don't know what's say to that. Like, it does take away the Superman effect that, that I think. think we have. Now, listen, here's what it doesn't do. It doesn't lower corner speeds. Our corner speeds are through the freaking roof. What would it do? It would make our straightaway speeds higher and make you actually slow down to break for the corner, make the corner. So for me, I am a pro, and we've said on the show, we beat the horse to death, literally, give more horsepower. And so if, when we have the Steve O'Donnells of the world, the Steve Phelps of the world, say, well, we're

considering it. We're looking at it. And then you say this, like, fans don't care how expensive. it is. Like for you to say it's more expensive. Guess what? We don't, fans don't care. Fans want to see you guys driving a thousand horsepower 215 miles an hour down a straightaway Michigan race cars. Yeah. No, I, you know,

certainly, I feel like it was a month or two ago. I blew through like, I don't know, from like 20, it was one of those years in there we had all the horsepower and all the down for us. I was watching qualifying laps. And man, that was exhilarating to watch. And I'm like,

I mean, we're still on the edge now, but like, there are moments we're, there's moments we have in the car and with how sensitive this car is from the naked eye. It's really hard to see it. You know, a lot of times when someone has a moment in the corner, you have to see the SMT data or the Motek data, if you will, in post to, like, see, oh my God, that guy. You just about wrecked in, like the middle one or two. You're wrecked. You just wrecked. You just, it's hard to see it because, you know, we're having to think so far ahead with this car. But I think the, I mean, again, this is all kind of on.

in Sam. There was, shoot, a couple months ago, just for fun. I asked some of the guys 23 of them, let's just, you know, there was a weird knob we could kind of work on to just basically increase the power of the car by, I don't know, 150 horsepower. Didn't really change much. I mean, we're talking the amount of off-throttle time was reduced very little. Because down force is so high? Very little. No, I think there's a lot of things added to it, isn't there? drag of the car, the min speed of the car, like the car has a lot of scrub. So how many horsepower would you need to make a difference? I mean, a lot.

That's what I think that. I mean, we're, I think you need to be above a thousand horsepower to like. I think that's the thing. I think that move that needle. And that is a, that's a very, I mean, that's, I mean, to go to that, I can know, I can believe that. You can, that can happen more short term. When you're talking massive jumps in, in power.

I think that that's what they, in my opinion, that's what they need to do, though, is just, all right, we're going to go, we're going to go. We're going to go test, and we're going to go with, take Tyler, and Tyler's going to have a motor with 750 horsepower. And you're going to go there and, like, because what everybody does now is they go to the test and you see, I think it was Bush earlier day, gets out and says, you know, well, it's not that much different, you know, like the test at New Hampshire, like Bell's like, I don't know what it's a different, you know, and guys are like, well, that's terrible.

Now, if we took you this test and you did, you know, all right, here's 150 more horsepower and you go, well, that wasn't much different. Now that's what, but that's what people want to hear. Like, not that they want to hear that. But they just want to see, all right, let's try it. If it sucks, if it sucks, we'll go by and we'll figure out another way. But they just seem like they're not, they're so reluctant to just, you know what, here, here. We're going to give you enough rope to hang yourself with.

Here's, here's 800 horsepower. Oh, it doesn't make a difference. What do you know? Now we've still got to go back to the drawing board. Like, just at least appease people. Let me ask you this. Here's one example. Let me ask you this.

You're driving. What if they took shifting away and gave more horsepower to short track like Martinsville? You think that would make a difference? I mean, the amount of horsepower we would have to. to have, if they took shifting away, it would be, I mean, it would be, it would have to jump a bunch because if we were locked into fourth gear or whatever gear would be, third year, whatever it is, for us to have the amount of power to spin the tires at, I don't know, let's just say it's 5,000 RPMs if you're locked into just one gear. Yeah. I mean, it had, the, you know, the peak

would have to be so much higher than it is now. So that, that is the, to me, I don't think it's struggle, right? I agree with it. We need more power. But if we take away shifting, now we have even less power in the middle of the corner. Like, I mean, it was, I mean, oh, what was it? Martinsville, the tail end of that run. It was actually kind of wild.

Like, we were starting to at the end of the race, have enough fall off to where staying in fourth or whatever gear it was was faster. But, I mean, you just go in the middle of corner, 100 and some laps on tires, 150, 120 laps on tires. You just punch it in, you know, fourth gear or whatever that. If you just stayed in one gear. that many laps on tires with this newer softer tire that we ran, you would just punch it. And, I mean, that was after 100 and, let's say, 15 laps of downshifting, you know, spinning the tires, all that.

You can still do that. Yeah, I mean, the amount of power would have to be very. So this is completely opposite. I think it's my opinion. Well, that's my thing is I think it's, I think it's, if you're going to give them horsepower, I think the tire. I mean, they made a bigger tire for this car, right? So, and like, that's one of the things that I don't think we need it was a bigger tire because you know, everyone in the beginning, Danny always complained about the corner speed.

Well, if you get more tire, they're going to fly through the middle of the corner already. Yeah. And I think, you know, that tires are a lot of grip. You give them, I don't know the exact diameters of how much bigger they are per tire, but I'm sure that little bit is an astronomical. Astronomical. Thanks. Astronomical.

Too many monster things here. Too many beasts. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's a lot. So, and if you give them more grip and take away. horsepower and plus with the way these cars are with the downforce and everything I just think it's going to be hard to get back to where we're never going to get back to where we were it's not going to go back that far but I do think a little bit of adjustment with

the motor a little bit with tire a little bit and you know if you do 5% here 5% there 5% another I mean I think you can I think you can get it better which I think they're creeping in on it how much would it mean to the fans to check the box that we tried more horsepower at a test I mean I feel like it would make them feel better but I feel like the worst thing we What would be worse is if we just add 100 or 150. Got to add more. It would have to be a ridiculous amount. I think that if we're going to go down the road.

Even though we know it's not going to work, like just say 150, 150. I don't think that will work. It'll work. I'm saying just say, okay, you guys have been asking more horsepower. Here's 150. And this costs X more to get to 150. And it doesn't make a difference. Now the drivers are going to tell you we need to go to, you know, 1,000.

That's another 250. That's X amount more money. You know, like, I think just just appeasing the fans of, hey, at least we've tried it. Like, here's, here's, we're going to go. It would be good to let the fans know. Hold on a minute. Don't, don't just appease the fans. A piece of drivers.

Which I mean, the drivers should know, like if Tyler knows. I mean, Tyler does. It's not reality, right? But I mean, it makes sense when you think about it, right? Like, okay, you know, if we're going to eliminate shifting to try and help short track racing, I just from. The dumbest thing. I read all winner on Twitter. Oh, boy.

If you downshift, you get black flagged. What the fuck are you talking about? Somebody said that? Like a fan? Well, no. What was it? What, Bob's tweet? It was a, what?

It was a fan suite I saw. So, oh, he's just black flagging them if they downshipped. Did you block them? That's the main thing. Did you block that again? Oh, I'm sure. He got blocked. Yeah, for sure.

That's interesting idea. I mean, so like, I was asking Billy, like, so are you going to call me a pit road every time? And then just, you know, call me off after a downshift? when I get away with it? Yeah. Pitt this time. Never mind. Oh, just kidding. Just kidding.

Where, what? You almost got wrecked somewhere on paper. Is that Dawkins? Dumbass? Must have been his fault. He's laughing. You know, that was really dumb. That was all me.

You ruined the fucking forever. I did. It's forever my fault. Forever your fault. You ruin that in four, man. Oh, man. You know. He's got a mother-fuck you on the Daytona.

What do you get Newman for Christmas? I didn't get him anything. Honestly. Um, unless, unless Newman's like on the long term, like, plan to, like, get back at me, I don't actually think he's too upset about it, but because I ran him the other day and he was asked, you know, asked me about Bogan into racing. He's like, you need any help? Just let me know. I'm like, he's a good guy. But, uh, yeah, I messed that up really bad. I'm like, I saw a four coming. I'm like, I got to get to pit road. And then I look at my camera. I'm like, oh,

501. 51 coming hot. Coming in. Oh, that's funny. I got a good laugh at. Well, more big news coming from NASCAR last week. They announced a new seven-year, $7.7 billion TV deal that features the CW, Fox, Amazon, TNT, and NBC. Spot on Spot of Freddie. What was the old deal? Does anybody know? It was four channels.

But it was, what I'm saying, money-wise, 10 years? 400 million, 10 years, something like that. Oh, 400 million. Oh, wow. So this is a big jump. I don't know. It was a bunch of money for 10 years. Yeah, we got all kind of channels.

And it was if I thought we got away in like when we went to like a network deal, it was because it was hard to find. Like it was on TNT. It was kind of all over the place. And now we are right back to being all over the place. And I, and what's even worse, I think is like I saw a chart the other day about where to find it for practice and qualifying. And that was basically all streaming, wasn't it? That's my biggest fear. That's my biggest concern.

There's nowhere to find any of that stuff. I mean, you got to search for it. So I don't know. I'm glad that there's more money coming in, and that's obviously going to help everybody. Hopefully that this will give the teams a bigger chunk, and they could finally afford to pass more money. But you call it out, Danny.

I'm going to tell you what they don't plan to do. Share it with you. Oh, they're not going to share it. I don't know. I haven't heard anything about my raise. I've been waiting. Probably can keep waiting for a while. Probably.

We'll see. But, yeah, I mean, hopefully, like I said, you know, this is hopefully this in general, of money helps the sport. But if that's how you had to go to get the money, that's how you got to do it. But it just seems like we're kind of scattered across the board here. I don't know what the CW broadcast is going to look like. I tried to watch.

I think there's a couple football games on there that I tried to watch. Super high deaf. You know, the football games weren't bad. And it's going to be NASCAR production. So I'm assuming that it's going to be the same as what the, you know, you know, we're consistent. Yeah. For sure.

So, you know, it'll just be interesting to see what they have as far as hosts and stuff like that. But listen, it just seems like it's going to be a challenge finding some of the content you want to watch.

Well, I think like the real diehard fans, right, that are really locked in are going to know where to find every single thing that the fans

that want to watch practice, right? They're going to know. But the problem is, like, you talk about the diehard fan that wants to watch practice, does he have HBO Max?

Or... Well, the good thing is, with a lot of these things, you can get them if you want to me you don't have to have other stuff. So I'm, I'm kind of spot on.

I'm optimistic about it because it might open the door for a lot more people to, you know, to have access to it. And obviously, it's a pretty big deal. So I don't think NASCAR would do it if they couldn't give people access to it. Like, I think they want to please the fan. I think they want to get it out there. And I think they've done their homework and seen the, obviously, they've been through with these people. I just know, like going back, like my dad would want to watch everything. If my dad, my dad wouldn't be able to find practice qualifying.

There's like die-hurt fans and there's veteran fans. You got differences here. Veterans like, I don't know what channel. 20 years ago, your dad wasn't worried about where he's going to watch your streaming stuff at. You know what I mean? Times are turning. And I think it's going in that direction. And I don't think there's any stopping it.

I think it's just going that way. And I think we just have to adapt and hope people do as well. I think now more than ever, teams, we talked about this before, teams, drivers, sponsors, NASCAR, so they have provided more content on. social media than they ever had before which is giving them that access right second i mean we talk about the sport and the growth and popularity of it who would have thought all of these you know broadcasts and all of these networks were interested in the sport and want to help it grow right i mean that is a good time for the sport if i were a sponsor i would look at that

and say well you know if people are interested if they think that we're going to have the viewership which these networks do obviously then since they bought into it then you know you know That's a sign of growth within our sport, which I feel like we've had more of than we've ever had. It'd be cool. We had like crossover where like the NBA on T&T guys come out to the race and Shaq's power out. I've seen you stand next to the football. Basketball players. We don't need any more out there for you.

Michael's already really tall, right? But Shaq's like a whole nine level right. Spud web. Dude, check is gigantic. Holy cow. He used to have one of his shoes. It's in Mike Davis's office. Yeah.

I'm telling you. He was having a blast on the grid block at the F1. That was so funny. Did you see when he came to Concord? That was so funny. Did you see what came to important? Before y'all got to talk about Shaq's feet size. You know what they're saying?

He wears big socks. My favorite thing about this whole TV package is it appears NASCAR got more money, which is awesome. That's big for the teams. It's big for the charter members. It's big for the next seven years of the sport. I think that's awesome. The fans are saying, our spoiled fans, according to Joy Lagano, are, or saying that, you know, it's in too many places.

I don't want to hear that. I really don't because you have a smartphone that if you say, if you say, what NASCAR channel do I need to watch today to watch qualifying? It's going to tell you. And if you don't have a smartphone, then just follow Bob Pockris on Twitter because every week he tweets out exactly where everything is going to be. Can you follow Bob if you have a smartphone because you won't have Twitter?

Well, you got a computer. You can figure out where it's going to be, what channel is going to be on, what time it's going to be on. So I don't want to hear the complaining about that. here's my struggle. I'm 48 years old. I don't have Peacock. I don't have Amazon Prime. I grew up coming on eight kids. You don't have Amazon Prime? Nope. You should. Not on Brett Griffin's iPad, nor on my television. Someone in your house has Amazon Prime. So when I come home from college and I wanted to watch practice, which I did on every Friday afternoon at 3 o'clock Eastern,

I can't do that now because I don't have the subscriptions for it. When I want to watch qualifying at a bar if I go to milfs which it's uncle milfs is the name of it it's not even that's okay it's it's late norman tavern but what do we call it type yeah everyone calls it that yeah we call it that yeah we call it what i said uncle milfs you never see any in there i don't know i mean my little guy's 11 he's got can we go to milfs and get a cheeseburger and i'm like sure but anyway one day he's going to milfs on friday afternoon and i want to watch qualifying they're not going to have it on like that my struggle is what if I want to watch it and A, my device doesn't get it because I don't subscribe to that or B, I'm in a bar that doesn't show it. I mean, Freddie and I were in,

where are we at to watch the class that year? What beach were we at? Santa Monica Pier. Sanneumatic Pier. We left Santa Monica Pier. The race is five, seven miles away according to the guy and Belize that Freddy's buddies with. We get there 45 minutes later in a $2,000 Uber ride. And we literally, there's 10 TVs in there and we say, man, can you put on the NASCAR race? Oh, is it around here? Yeah, it is actually. It's a LA Coliseum. Boom, we put it on. We watch it. I'm afraid that can't happen anymore. That's what I'm worried about. I think those need to evolve as well, though. You know, like places like that need to evolve with the times as well. Yeah, but that's expensive, bro. I'm not saying,

maybe there's some sort of package that gets worked out with with, with, you know, places like that, bars, restaurants and things. Like DirecTV, they made a package for bars and restaurants. They pay per seat. They pay out the ass. And I actually was having to have. having drinks with Doug and his girlfriend, Gina. And she was like, oh, it ain't a big deal. You just stream it right to the bar. And I'm like, yeah, I don't think it works out. I remember my buddy owns a couple bars in Georgia.

And you literally have to pay, like, whatever it's, I think it was like a UFC fight. And it's say it's 39, 99. You've got to pay that, like, you've got to pay some absorbing amount of money per seat at capacity. So it's, you know, it's. You know what they need to do is do a deal like Touch Tunes. You go in there, you can touch tunes the TV with put Apple TVs on there. You want to watch that TV. That's a bad idea because Dale will be changing the channel.

Jesus, that's the worst idea I've ever heard. Dale, made a bar fight over the channel. Imagine going to Mills's and having control whatever you wanted on that TV with your phone. That'd be hell with the channel watching Milfs. Hey, man, wouldn't it be fun? Changing the channel every five minutes. Listen, I think it's great for owners. I think it's great for NASCAR.

I think it's great for tracks. We don't know what the division looks like in terms of the money yet. I know a lot of people a lot smarter of me are going to figure that out. I think it's good for drivers. I've watched, I lived the error of the highest paid drivers in NASCAR history. I watched rookies come in

and get massive contracts to drive race cars. Now I'm watching rookies come in and get crappy and owners and general managers and presidents that are going to hear me say this. I don't care. It pisses me off that a guy goes out there and works 40 weekends a year, risk his life,

works endless hours in a simulator, works at a test, does things for you, obviously races on a weekend, and he can make half a million dollars driving a cup car. That pisses me off because I grew up in the air where guys were making $10 million plus driving a race car in no other sport do I see their athletes, i.e. Major League anything going backwards from a finance perspective. And Tyler, you don't want to speak to this, that upsets me. the good news is guys like Denny Hamlin who have been drivers in the sport and made a lot of money. It is awesome for him to get to be an owner. When Dale Earnhardt on DEI, Dale Jr's initial cup series salary coming in as a rookie was bank. I ain't going to say how much

money it was. It was bank. So for me, seeing guys like the younger guys like Denny, obviously Michael Jordan, how much money Michael Jordan made playing ball? Billions. I'd imagine a lot. So for me, Like I'm a big fan of that. I'm a big fan of us seeing more money come back in because it should be shared with the teams. It should be shared with the drivers. I don't know how far down the ladder it gets to, unfortunately, crew guys and spotters and that kind of thing,

but I'm a big fan of money. So I was looking at this on Reddit this morning. Sorry, I turn red right there. I got up. Reddit. I guess on the money lap, Adam Stern said something about, like, if the deal is not done by Daytona, you could see teams essentially striking.

No chance Daytona 500. Not not that's not that they're talking. But he said like, you know, and not so much striking as just doing things during the race to show their displeasure with the fact that this deal is not done yet. And I just, I mean, I don't see that happening. Like what? The problem is they won't all do it. They won't all do. Somebody wants to win the race.

Like you just say, all right, here, when they throw the green flag, we're coming down Pedro the first time. Let's say all the A drivers say we're going to do it. let's say Justin Haley says, I'll do it, and Corley-Joy says I'm not doing it. Like, it screws the whole thing up, so I don't see that. I don't see all them. Me neither. I don't see everybody. But speaking back to last year, Tyler, I'd love to hear your perspective on this because

last year we were sitting here worried about the safety of this car. NASCAR made massive gains, right? Yeah. No, it's been a lot better for sure. You know, it was, it, obviously, it's tricky, right? like with where we've went the direction we went with the chassis the parts everything right it takes more time to implement those changes but yeah it's made it's made good strides and helping you know the driver and and the i guess the absorption of of that of that heavy car that energy getting

absorbed in deflection and all that sort of stuff um it's been big changes great for us well we sat here with jamey mcmurray who obviously isn't driving this car and he's like man if i'm a driver I'm going to really focus on my compartment, my headrest, my helmet, my things I can control. NASCAR went to work on the things they could help these teams with. And we're not sitting here. I mean, a year and a half ago, Freddie and I would go out for a beer or have dinner or talk on the phone. And we would literally be worried about you guys when you would wreck. I mean, the Kurt Busch wreck, it didn't look bad.

No, the ones that don't. It didn't even Bowman. That's the scary part. They didn't love it. That's a crazy part. They had to park at Marksville from getting hit on a restart. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, so for me, like, kudos to NASCAR for what they did on a safety side. Yeah. Yeah. It's not even an issue now. I mean, it's not even on the radar now anymore. I mean, it's always on the radar, but it's not an issue. So. Yeah, I hope that they can get.

I mean, going back to the TV thing. I hope this thing's a positive for everybody. I just don't understand the fans that are out there worried about. Well, I don't know what channel to find it on. Well, good God, almighty. You can Google directions on how to drive from here to Bozeman, Montana. Surely the guy you can figure out what channel is. You're talking to one of our friends there now.

I know. I'm talking to a lot of friends. And look, NASCAR doesn't want to hide the racing from you. No. You know, they want you to see the racing. But I'm worried. You know, you find out where it's at and you go, well, I don't have that. That's what I'm going.

I know how it goes, right? Like, I feel like I'm guilty of this when I watch other sports. Or, you know, when I'm pulling up my phone and want to watch practice or whatever it is. You know, if you just aren't, you know, if you last minute, like, I'm going to jump in and watch this and you haven't thought about it or thought it through, right? You're going to be jumping around trying to find it. but thankfully Casey y'all at Xfinity have given me

a lot of good he gave you though a lot of good options to watch pretty much every race with the app so I've been thankfully when I can't really figure it out I've always got that to go to and just I'll find it there

Speaking of Xfinity Anthony Alfredo just announced he's going to drive the five car for our motorsports Tyler Ancrum's going to drive the 18 truck for Bill Mcinally which isn't like McAnley is kind of absorbing a lot of the GMS kind of equipment.

I don't know. They got a bunch of different trucks. By Brad. Sad Moffitt's got a really exciting announcement coming. I can only imagine what that is. Yeah. Petty. Petty deal has an announcement coming.

It seems like. Oh, my God. What the fuck are you doing? See you later. Stop falling everywhere. Yeah, but that's cool for Alfredo. There's a lot of news dropping late this year, it seems like, isn't it? Well, it's PRI week, and I feel like that's the week.

I don't know. I just feel like a lot of things are done a lot later this year. I mean, you got two cup teams, two fairly prominent cup teams looking for drivers still. Yeah. What is that? You've got it. It's a sheet of all the silly season moves. All right here, page two.

There's no way this is all of them. It's not all of them, but a lot of the notable ones. I mean, you got false information on here. Like what? Crew chiefs, they just announced a spire cruise yesterday. There's question marks and Kevin Bellicourt. Bellicourt's not there anymore. See, I did this two days ago.

That's why. Host of our got Lambert, I think. Lambert. Okay. And Zane got, uh, no, who got,

somebody just got Harvix, uh, engineer. Was that maybe Hosevar? He went to, uh, it was, I have,

Doran, uh, yeah, I don't know his name. Um, Duran, Duran. Yeah,

he went to, he went to Spire, I think, right? Yes, he did. He was a casual dream mate, yep.

He went to Zane and then Luke Lambert went to host ofar. Uh, Jesse loves on here. Yep. Um, we got all that. Josh Williams,

Colling 11. It's a good deal Um, who else? Gregson, we've talked about in a 10. The, the, the Collie Cup car, I don't know what the hell's going on with that deal. Apparently it's not title anymore. Well, I don't know. It seemed like it was.

I have no idea. And then Dale said it, Dale said on his show, and then it seemed like it wasn't. AJ, they announced AJ's full-time Xfinity, but then they also said AJ's going to run some cup races. They didn't specify if he's going to run some cup races in the 16 or the 13 or. I may be really unemployed if he's not running, so I'm in the third car. Yeah, you might be real done. I might need a second spotter job. See, if I can know anybody.

Poacher. Poaching season. I'm not poaching. I'm looking for some. Brett's got an Indycar guy. You're going to have. So, yeah, I don't know. But to your point, yes, it's very late in the year for two teams that are fairly, especially

one of Stuart Hoth's and then one of colleague that you don't even know we're getting into what mid, what's today's date, like the 10th or something like that? It's the 7th of December. Yeah. Yeah, we're early December, but still it's late. But still, it's still pretty late for two teams not to have cup drivers. I mean, dude, you've already skipped the snowball, been to a beach, it's late. Turkey's already done.

Oh, boy. It's the 11th today. You're lying. Well, this episode's going to drop on the 11th. We don't know what day it is. See? I told you it's at least a 10th, you liars. All right, Casey, carry on.

Freddie, I knew where you were doing. You're doing. You're d' idiots? Oh. You guys alluded to this earlier. but Joey Lugano says, our fans are spoiled in regards to the access they have to drivers during an average race weekend compared to other leagues like the NFL.

Spot on, spot off, Tyler. Hold on a second, Tyler, before you answer this, because I watched this whole video to make sure that his quote was not out of context. Out of context. It was not out of context. All right, well, I'm glad you did. Yeah, he loves, he loves, I feel like he likes to get some attention

when he's on show. Maybe he's trying to knock Danny off the booed list. I mean, what's he like or the top of the boot list, I should say? I don't think that's going to happen. Yeah, I feel like I understand what he meant, but his delivery was just not the way to put it. Tyler, what do you think, how do you think he meant it?

I mean, I don't know how he meant it. But like from my perspective, yes, you know, the fans get a lot of opportunities to, you know, I feel like it's easier to get into a garage, a cup garage, exfini garage, truck garage, than it is to, well, I guess

can't really compare a truck in Exfini, right? It's a different level, but, you know, like when I went to, when I went to see a Broncos game last January, I mean, it took knowing some serious players to get on the field and just stand on the field, not necessarily get to meet Russell Wilson or meet, meet this player, this coach,

you know, it was one of the, I think it was one of the assistants before they cleaned house, so I lost my in over there, but, I mean, it takes serious connections to, even just get close to them, right? Not necessarily even guarantee you're going to get a photo or an autograph or, you know, a conversation with them. So I feel like, you know, NASCAR tries to NASCAR, the tracks, the teams all try to make

a pretty good effort to give the fans a lot more access than the other sports do. And I mean, I guess I can't really touch on it because I don't know, right? Like, I don't know how many other, you know, I don't know if, you know, like, NFL teams are getting fan mail and they're having their players come in and sign stuff. But like we were talking about earlier, you know, like, like, you know, I went and sat, you know, if you're, if you're sitting in a suite, I feel like you're not going to get an experience with the fans like that. You're sitting down right by the bench. Your interaction is different right. And I can't really speak on that like you can, TJ.

I think that where I get lost here is I think that sometimes you get confused with access versus being seen. Like, Tyler, Kyle Larson stands at the back of his trail at these dirt races and will meet every single person. that is lined up there and you can take they take pictures and the line goes on for hours and hours and hours it looks like. Joey references walking out of the driver's meeting and signing a handful of autographs is that, you know, that's a get close to us. Or they can walk out in the grid and take a picture with me five minutes before the race. No, they can. No, they cannot. You know, some people can. Maybe sponsorship or a guest of the team might be able to get a great picture. But like those people don't have access. You talked about like the way you got access

of the football game was you had to know some people. Like, I know how many, I mean, I know this number off the top of your head. Maybe you can say one or twice a week. How many meet and greets are you doing a week? At the track, I feel like we got like four to five number. But how many are public? Yes.

That's my point. Oh, it's public and you can walk up and yeah, I mean, no, it's all like, you know, it's all sponsors. It's a, it's a guest of the team. It's never just like, hey, come in the hauler and hang out with Tyler. There's no souvenir. There's no souvenir deal. You're going to be here for an hour. Yeah, I mean, and you do do stuff out in the, in the fan zone. That is one thing that maybe

could change that a little bit, right? Like, I feel like, you know, when it comes to merchandise, like depending on what your deal is, I feel like there's a good number of drivers out there. You know, there's some drivers like Kyle, Larson, I think Elliott. There's other drivers that have it set up really good to where, you know, in a way you get rewarded or you're getting something out of it, right? Like, and then there's others that probably don't see much, if not any, of, you know, merchandise sells. You're not really, I know that sounds bad, right, but you're not really incentivized for the right or the wrong reasons to interact, right? So that could, that's something I think that could certainly make that better, right? I think our fans have incredible access.

I think that being the fact that they can come in the garage, but you're not, you know, like he makes it sound like, you know, Joe Schmoe can walk up to his car five minutes before the race. I'll say it. I'll say it. Joy the guy was full of shit. Okay. He's full of massive A massive Because What he's saying Isn't true Fans

8 years ago Pre-COVID Pre-Recession in 2008 They were accustomed to Tyler Redick No offense to you Because you're younger You don't remember these days

But Tyler Redick's Calibur of Driver Would be doing 60 plus public appearances a year And he would be doing them In grocery stores for Monster He would be doing them in Hooters restaurants

he would be doing them all over the place that the public can get to. Now the sponsors are not spending the money to fly the drivers in because the return analytics have changed. What's important to the sponsor? It's not getting 500 people into a grocery store anymore. It's completely different. So like for Joey to sit here who grew up, rich as hell in the Northeast, who raced his whole life, who came down here, races now. He said NASCAR drivers make a little bit more money.

they do. How much money does Landon Huffman make a year racing? Not much. How much money does Joy Lugano make a year racing? Don't tell me, I'm not done bitching yet. Hold on a minute. So don't tell me that our fans are fucking spoiled because they are not spoiled. They're accustomed to, a fan my age is accustomed to being able to meet Bill Elliott at McDonald's at University Area by UNCC after qualifying from 6 to 8. That's what they're accustomed to. Joy Lugano probably don't say, okay, how many times is he going to? to Planet Fitness here to sign autographs. How much money is he making to do that?

Good for him. He's not doing it as often as he was when he got here. Once he signed his seven-year Pennzoil-Pensky contract, COVID hit, he went missing. Don't give me that, and this isn't just about Joy O'Gon-O. This is about any of our drivers that don't appreciate our fans because our fans spend $2,000 to $5,000 a weekend to go and take their families to the racetrack. That is a pile of money. So the fans standing on the fence or the fan that gets to walk out on the racetrack for the pre-race concert,

they don't get your autograph. They might get to high-five you as you walk down the stage. Yeah, it's not guaranteed. It's not guaranteed. What we do know about our fans is they love our sport. They're passionate about our sport. They want to meet our drivers. So let me speak for you fans by saying this.

There are other ways now to meet your drivers. Just don't be a pain in the ass about it. Know that they go to places like Millbridge. know that Kyle Larson races all over the country. Know that Tyler Reddick tweets wherever he's going to be when he's going to do something fun if he's at a Broncos game. I promise you, if you walk up with Tyler Reddick say, hey, man, will you take a selfie real quick?

As he's walking through the parking lot going into the Broncos game, he 100% will. But to say our fans are spoiled. I don't care what Stefan Friggs did on a sideline, TJ. I'm tired to see that video. I'm just saying that's what you do for a regular ticket. A regular ticket gets you that, though. A regular ticket doesn't get you that.

At the football game, it did. I just, that's five video. Nosebleeds. Okay, so if you go to the 49ers game and you're in the upper deck, you're going to get that video of playing pitch and catch with McCaffrey? If you walk down there. But that's a ticket you can buy, right? You walk down there and they don't check tickets three hours before the game like that.

You walk down there and do that. Our fans don't deserve to be spoken to in the context and the way that he said that. Yeah, I think that's the biggest thing is our fans have great access. You know, we talked about it on here before. They get to listen in on the radio, which you don't do with these other sporting events. They get to listen in a lot of stuff. But to say they're spoiled. Yeah, I know.

They pay for that. But to say they're spoiled, it just crosses the line for me. Okay. So, Brett, you mentioned there's no reason, you know, sponsors. You and I remember, I think I was at a bar with Brad Kiselselski every single Thursday. Of course you were with GMR marketing. With for Miller course. And we did the same thing with multiple sponsors.

Tyler, we brought you to a few Xfinity stores, Harvick Exfittany stores. You mentioned sponsors might not see the value or their goals have changed. They changed. Right. So how do you bring that back? What is... Nascar's got to bring that back. NASCAR's got to figure

out a way. The same way that we go into markets, man, when I landed in Vegas, Freddie and I walked into a store and it was a $250 F1 shirt that was hanging up for sale. But when I landed in Vegas, the whole airport said F-1 is coming. When I land in Vegas on NASCAR weekend in the same

airport, I may not see a single sign that says NASCAR is coming and or NASCAR is here. We landed in Vegas on NASCAR week and there was all F-1. That's all said. I'm trying to be nice about it. My point is we've become, we're in the check cashing business. We've got to write some more checks. I saw NASCAR now, they've got this big, you know, 50 plus thousand square foot productions company that's awesome we got to be on the radio we got to be on the billboards we got to be on all the things and nascar has to figure out a way nascar was in the best business of the world winston took their sport to the marketplace guess who came in and did it even bigger sprint 70 plus million dollars a year they spent on activations taking our sport to the marketplace

when monster came in monster's business model was completely different it wasn't wrong it was right for them Now there's four presenting sponsors, but nobody is taking us to the marketplace the way that M&Ms did, the way that UPS did. I could keep going. I'm not going to bore you with that. But like we've got a NASCAR has to figure out a way themselves what's the most efficient way to take our drivers to the marketplace because every time somebody meets Tyler Redick, here's the best thing about our drivers, including Joy Lagano. When you meet our drivers at a hospitality, at a restaurant, at a bar, at a bar. at an appearance five minutes before the race because a sponsor got you a pass, you feel there and you feel like you know our driver and you have a big connection with that

driver for the rest of your life. And you pull for that guy for the rest of your life because you feel like you know him. Oh, I know Tyler Reddick. We hung out. We took a picture together. He asked me if I had kids. Like that is what we're missing as a sport because our sponsors spent all that money to take us and make us in the marketplace with our drivers.

we don't have that anymore. If it were, when we went to out west or Midwest, Menards would have all the Penskees drivers in there signing autographs for two hours apiece. They'd have their own race fest in the parking lot. I ain't seen that. I don't know. I kind of, I agreed to some extent, but we're still selling out. So fans are obviously staying there and they're spending, they're going to the bars.

They're doing things. Like, I think that I don't know what the, like, answer to this is, but the appearances are happening. I mean, we're doing them. Not as much as there was. They're down 90%. Is that the stat you made up? Go do the math. Okay.

Oh, anyways, spot on, spot off. Tony Stewart announces that he will run a full NHRA top fuel season. TJ. I'm spot on. I think what they say? She was Leah stepping out. He's taking her ride. Yeah.

Yeah, he's trying to start a family. Yeah, that's cool. I think he's in a good situation. I think he's having fun. And spot on. Tony Stewart having fun is always a good thing. Is there anything this guy can't do? If this guy's on a motor?

Yeah, I mean, it's ridiculous. He's going to win a race. He won the damn... He's already done that. He won a top alcohol race while back. He was leading the points last I looked in the last race. I don't know if he won a championship. He'll win a race.

He'll win multiple races. Yeah, he will. He will. He said this was per somebody else. Like he didn't know if he was good enough to do it. Last year when I was at the racetrack walking around in Charlotte, they were like, yeah, Tony doesn't know if he's good enough to. I'm thinking he's Tony Stewart.

I'm pretty sure he's good enough to, whatever. He sets his mind to. But like it's cool for fans. It's cool for an HRA that somebody if his caliber's going to do it. Tyler, like, I mean, have you ever considered doing that? No, but seeing like, you know, Kyle's obviously set the bar very high, but like what he does is awesome. You know, post your post-Nascar racing career, right?

Like being able to go out there and do those things. Certainly there's risk involved, right? But as a competitor, right, that doesn't really bother you. You know, you want to keep competing and doing things. So yeah, I mean, I'm going to have my eyes glued to what he's got going on and see how well that goes. Because, I mean, is a competitor, you're never going to like just shut down an idea. You know, you're always going to be open to trying something else. And this came up a bunch on this show this year, obviously, because of Bowman and Chase.

And if you don't want to talk about, we don't have to, we can cut it. But contractually, are you obligated to not drive anything? Like, is there something you can't drive? Or is it like permission base? As long as it's, you know, as long as it's something really ridiculous, you know, I'm pretty sure me and Denny are on a good, you know, understanding. I'm not going to just go jump in something and not talk to them about it. And if there's something he's not comfortable with, I won't do it. but yeah, I think it's pretty straightforward in that front.

Like, you know, as long as it's not going to interfere, you know, with my commitments to the team and what we got to get done during the week, you know, obviously I won't do it without Denny's blessing, right? Like, I'm getting paid a lot of money to drive a race car for him and do it at the highest level and be fully committed to it. So I don't want to, you know, track myself or potentially anything on the table that would hurt our performance on Sundays. Do you see yourself, one, and would it help or hurt returning to dirt racing?

I mean, I know Dirt Lake Model's background is where you come from. That world is blowing up with multiple high-paying races. I know we've talked about, you know, the thought of maybe getting a Chili Bowl car or something like that. Don't do it. What? But, like, is that something you want to get back into, or is it something now, like, right now you're just so focused on cup racing that? This year was, um, There was a lot going on this year.

You know, this offseason had some other stuff I had to take care of, too. So I wasn't really thinking about racing until we got back going on the Cupside. But certainly I feel like I guess it's kind of an unknown, right? Like it's been so long since I've done other stuff. There was on occasion a couple times. I went and ran a main sprint at Millbridge, ran some other cars and other series. You know, I think there was two years there. We went and ran some WRL events at it.

Dakota and Nola, and that was good experience. It wasn't necessarily dirt, but getting in other things and running other cars, racing against other drivers. I think it's just good. Like, you just continue to sharpen your skills and maybe learn some new skills. Like, I feel like, you know, especially when I'm spending more time on eye racing, you know, just driving just completely different cars, whether it was dirt or asphalt, you just pick up on different things that you just have to learn like it's a different

driving style every time depending on the car. But the more that you can just adapt quickly, I think the better driver that you will be. And you can help that process by jumping in other cars and running other races. But again, I've noticed with the amount of tools and resources and the technology that we have on the cup side, you can spend a lot of time on the simulator. And it will reward you. But there are some weeks where you do and you don't necessarily see that reward something isn't quite right but but that's where you know if you're not around during the week to be able to put that time in you're not going to be able to improve it so just trying to figure out how much time i can you know what weeks are good to maybe go off and do something else what you know

what days of the week can i be away trying to figure that out first before i just blindly jump into it is probably the if you want to see some really good pictures just google tyler redick back in his dirt racing days yeah he's the first time i remember seeing your race i think you were four years old and you had hair down in the middle of your back, and it was ridiculous. Was it a late model, the 11 car, right? What's Danny like as a boss, man? Like, I don't mean he's...

Great. Fri. Phenomenal. I don't listen to him. I don't mean it's like a successful race car driver, mentor boss. Like, what is he truly like as a boss? Man, he's... I knew he's going to be involved,

and I got that understanding pretty early on. But just like, I mean, he's very clued in everything that's going on. And he's got great people at 2311 to handle the different pieces of the puzzle, if you will, that make up a race team, whether it's, you know, like Steve or on the competition side or the marketing side. So, you know, the social media content side. Like, he's got people in place to do that stuff. But don't get me wrong, he's definitely clued in on what's going on. You know, we had a production day yesterday with Beast Unleashed and for the cars that we're going to have next year. And he's, you know, he popped in.

seeing the car in person. Like, he's very tuned into what's going on. And obviously, on top of that, we got a shop that we're building, and it's getting close to being done. I saw it yesterday. It's really sweet on it. Which fans can see right off of I-77. Oh, man.

You can hit a rock. How do you know it's 2311 because the windows are really funky? Yeah. Yeah, you won't miss it. You know, he's very, very locked in. And, you know, it's been great to lean on him to get better short tracks. It was kind of, it gave me a laugh. uh what you know after richmond he was kind of upset with how much he helped me there because he

couldn't pass me in the first stage but i took care of myself by the end of the race for him but but uh you know it's been nice to to see i mean he really cares about it you know i could say the same thing about michael he's very clued in to what's going on michael may not be in charlotte north carolina or in morrisville every single day but he's very very locked in on what's going on so it's i mean i've been really impressed with with how much time and effort denny puts into it and it's it's a tough. It's hard for, I don't know how he does it, honestly, being a driver and an owner. I'll put you on the spot. Do you think he got a three cars soon? I haven't had any hints about it, honestly. I've kind of been away from the shop a little bit, though, the last couple of weeks.

I don't, I mean, I don't see it next year, but, you know, I wouldn't be surprised if down the road that's something they want to do, because, I mean, the more, obviously, I think the model they have works really good, and I think, you know, if you add a third car, it would just continue to improve that, you know, the way that they're going to do that. You know, the way that the way our team goes about it. You know, I think we have the room for it. I don't want to speak for those guys. But I think if we're successful and we win races and, you know, we, you know,

our partners are happy. Why not add a third car. Put you on the spot again. Pick an Xfinity driver. You've got to go be your third car teammate. Any of them. Doesn't matter how long they've been there if they're brand new. Xfinity Driver.

That ran last year. Dang. You got to hurry up because I got to pee again. You know, I'm not lying. He doesn't like anybody. I don't think he'd ever do it, but I do think Justin Algar is a really solid race car driver. I mean, he's, I've been a teammate to him. You know, again, I'm just real quickly thinking about that.

But I spent time with him, you know, as a teammate and not his teammates as a friend, right? Like, I just think he's really, is a really solid race car driver. And a nice guy. And a very nice guy. Yeah, for sure. He is a good guy. The thing is, like, obviously, I joke on here all the time. about how Danny's great and yada yada yada and that's obviously i mean obviously i like him because

he is my boss but the thing that really strikes me into tyler's point he is so involved with every every aspect of the company and the biggest thing i take away from it is it never settles like somebody asked him i've seen an interview this week where somebody asked him about like how great was it to get both 2311 cars in the top 10 of points this year and he's like that was great but now i expect more like i that's not good enough you know we kind of messed up like they were just going to be happy enough, but we both got in the playoffs. And we put both cars top 10 in points. Yeah, we should have saved a year for that. We just sped up. We just, we made a lot more ground on that mountain we were climbing than we thought. But I think that's what's going to make

us better is him. Like, that starts at him. That's the top of the chain. Just demanding excellence. And like he's always said he's got a five-year plan to be where he wants to be and we're going in a year four now. And it's on track. Like, now we have to move forward. Like that was, you know, that was a great job last year, but that's not good enough next year. Next year, I expect both cars to be whatever you know so i think that's that's one of the biggest things i take away from him is just his he strives to be so much better every year and expects he expects himself to be great and he expects all of us to be great at the same time yeah and and and on those weekends where we do show up and we are a little bit better or faster than than our you know our joe

gives racing teammates like you would think that that would be good enough for him at times no but it's not no he he he just you know every little thing but but that's great because as a race car driver I'm the same way. I mean, I could get out of the car and have a fifth place car and finish second or third with it. And I am going to be just absolutely steaming mad that I didn't find a way

to win that race. And that's, those are the kind of people you want to have. Yeah. I think it's going to help us having a third car at Daytona this year. Well, I mean, it's especially at plate races. Yeah. When entered it last year.

Listen, if going into the last lap at Daytona 500 last year, Pastrana, who like going into Daytona, he was the biggest sponge ever met in my life. He's like, just tell me what to do. I don't give, I don't know nothing. I don't give it. You guys tell me what to do. Yeah. And we had a restart. He was on our bumper. And he's like, just tell Bubba, I'm not lifting. Like, I'm going to put whatever it is. I'm following him. And he piles into a wreck. I'm piling in there with him. I don't care.

And we were going to come off of turns to at the 500 on the last lap with we had the eight in front of us and Pistrana pushed out of us from behind and Amarola ended up wrecking Pistrana. And, and but like, having those extra cards, especially, them plate races, could be the world of difference. It might be the difference in winning and losing. Position we were in, we're, Bushers leading the race, we're second, and Kyle Bush is behind us. He gets run, gets on the outside of us. If we have a third car right there, Brad or whoever, Brad and Chris can move at that point

to cover. And then when the third car recovers from that, then you got, you still got strength up there. I think that's why the colleague cars were always so successful at the Xfinity stuff, because you had three of them lined up. Exactly. And the third car, the last guy is kind of hard to block. But if you see the third guy gets covered, you cover now, you cover that line, come back and pick him up, whatever it is.

But the more cars you have in line, it's harder to split that group up. That's exactly why we run it. I mean, you want more strength at the end of the race. And you got a good guy. David Reagan's a great player. He'll fit in great with Brad and Chris. I mean, he'll be a worker right there. David's good at those tracks.

Well, let's move on to the DVCA Maine, where we catch up on all things dirt. And I'd like to think that this is the off-season. for dirt, but I think we have more to talk about than we've ever covered. I heard a crazy number the other day. Oh. Oh, boy. I heard your husband's bringing 14 cars to the Stultes shootout. Is that true?

Anyways, I don't, I don't think it's 14. Do you know how many Rolexes you can get for 14? I mean, I don't know how, like, because you run multiple cars, cars and multiple classes, so I don't know, but I heard some crazy number. He has, he has a good number of cars going to shootout. She has no idea. You just broke a moose. Don't tell Chad, I told you.

No, I do. I can't speak for shootout. I think it's actually lower than that, but I hope it's lower than that. 13. I do know, it's probably all in there right now. Apparently we own that too. I do know he has a smaller number for a chili bowl to be more focused. Six percent.

What? Six percent. Remember, how many chili bowl cars can we? He hasn't announced. He has not announced it yet. I know one of them. But anyways, I'm going to start things off by saying Milbridge because I didn't know. Milbridge starts back up on Saturday.

So let's take a drink to that. This weekend. Yeah, day races. How about Brandon Shepard? I just, I didn't know about it. I saw the video. I saw the video. I saw the video.

He tested at Milbridge. There's been a lot. They were in a super dirt late model at Millbridge yesterday. What? Shut up. Yeah. It was cool. You're testing.

They got that big race in the dome. You could race like six cars out there at once. Have you ever been to Millbridge, Brett? No. I haven't either. Yes, you have. You're liar. I went to Salisbury for a meeting and I came back and I took her on turn.

Have you really not been to Milbridge? I never been to Milbridge. Are you kidding me? No, I'm not kidding you. I've never been a Millbridge. I got to make a kid. The coverage is so good that I just don't even need to go. You get spoiled if you go there too much.

Yeah. Drinking word to the show is too late to tell you. I can make a confession the last time I, was there. I think I went out there on a Tuesday night and me and Bo and Lombardi and his daughter went. And I just went to just go watch some racing. I think Randall Burnett's son Tatum was racing. A couple other kids were racing. But we just kind of went to hang out because Bo likes to go. And Larson's, I think Owen was racing. And Kyle wasn't there. He was busy doing something else. But Caitlin was there and I ran into a smile.

I think his name is. And he was like, you know, Audrey's carts. and in the holler if you want Bo to go sit in and I'm like, oh my God, I don't think I'm going to do this. But I eventually walked down there and Caitlin's like, yeah, throw him in there, get him in the seat. And I think Audrey's a little older than Bo, but I mean, I'm in trouble. Does Alex another's happen? Yeah, I sent her pictures and everything and I think she was having a heart attack. So did you get him a car yet? No, but he fits perfectly in this car.

It's bad. Tyler's going to need a race. I'm in trouble. I was going racing. As I was. I'm committed for the long term. The funny thing is it happened. One of the best stories I heard about something like that was Austin Payton, who's a friend of ours.

Oh, yeah. What's he? Dennis. Manager. Yeah. But he does it with Ty Gibbs now. Well, Ty Gibbs just dropped off a cart at Austin's house for Austin's little boy. He's like, oh, this is for him.

He's like, he'll be fine. And Austin's like, great, awesome. I mean, dude, obviously we have all come from a lot of different places to get here. When you go to a place like Middle Bridge, do you realize how hard. hard it is to go from racing the way you grew up racing to making it to where you made it. On the backside, no, but I do remember, I think the, you know, my first asphalt race was at Mobile, Alabama, and I was running for Schrader. I just remember, like, I don't know, the race was so long.

I hated the windshield. It was so hot. I was miserable. I'm like, there's no way I can do this. Like, there's no shot. and we went to Salem and it went a little bit better. Larry Moore was a crew chief. And, yeah, I mean, I ran okay, but like it was just, I was so lost.

And then we went to Rockingham of all places. Wow. And for the NASCAR K&N Pro Series race, the first NASCAR race, I guess. I was there. But I don't know, just because it was hot and I wouldn't say it was hot, right? But the track was slick, the tires wore out. It was like, oh, okay, this makes sense. Is that where you met Brad?

He won. Yeah. Well, I met. I think Jeremy Thompson, who, you know, was very instrumental there for many years, was spotting for Moffitt. Yeah. And that was the guy that clear hide himself on me off of two and ended up winning the race. So that was pretty well a big race.

That was a big championship battle in that race. Yeah, Brett lost championship and Kyle Larson or grew up racing. I was spotting for Corey, I think. Yeah. Because Bubba was driving the Gibbs car. I wasn't spotting for Bubba that day. But these kids you see running around, I mean, some of them are going to make it the cup. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. Like, you've made a lot of you. It's crazy. Yeah, I know, but like you said, you know, 10, 15 years from now, maybe even longer than that, right? Some of these kids that are racing, there's certainly, I mean, a good amount of them are going to have the opportunity, right? Surely some of them, a couple of them, are going to, you know, find their way into

the Cup series. I thought that was cool during Blaney's speech. He was talking to Harvick about, like, when he was a kid, he would go out on driver intros with his dad and meet Harvick. And now now he said he almost feels old because he's at driver intros and here comes Keelan. You know, he's like it's like the rolls reversed. And then like you said, we talked about here. Keelan, like he drives everything. So eventually he's going to go wherever he wants, it seems like. But yeah, he said, he's like, I almost feel old now because I remember being, I remember being Keelan and now I'm the driver he's meeting. He's like, this, I'm starting to feel old

myself. When he said that, all I could think of is, you know, all the times that Bo comes to driver intros with me and I'm just like, oh my gosh, the money. Who's most favorite driver right now? I mean, it was Chase for a very, very long time. Chase is still like one of his favorites, but it's been really, you know, maybe it was because I won some races. I know Chase had a lot of things go wrong for him this year, but maybe he's just gotten older.

Is it dad? I mean, it's, I would say he's got a number one favorite, but like you, he'll always say, Daddy, Bubba, Chase. Okay. And then he'll say Denny. Just like Freddy. I had to work that one in there. But no, he does.

It's weird. We have the same list. No, Chase. No, I think what's honestly helped is I've, you know, been at the team. I've found, you know, some of Kurt's little, you know, 164th die casts or some of mine. And as I've gotten them to him, he's more gravitated more towards me. You mentioned him.

How great is Kurt? Like how, like, nobody gets this, like, you know, a lot of people don't get to see the side. We get to see. No. The guy is like, not all around. Like, just all around, but like we, he named himself, I guess. Well, I shouldn't say we named him. He named himself the captain of the fund department over there.

I think he's transferred over. He's transitioned over to chief vision officer. Chief vision officer, yeah. But no, I mean, you can explain that one easier. I mean, the amount of experience that guy has, the things he's been through, there's, you know, I think in the videos that NASCAR's put out that others have mentioned, no one in our era, if you will, has been through things he's been through and been able to, you know, I didn't, I wouldn't, I guess, in probably his eyes, I wouldn't say he, he went out on top, but I mean, he, you know, was winning races, competing for him to go through all the things that he did and get back to where he was, is really hard to do. The amount of detail, this started with Kurt. Like, so we, when Kurt came over, we began having meetings a couple hours before the race every week. And it's, you know,

all the, it's all the engineers, spotters, drivers, crew chiefs. And like the amount of detail he can go into about, like, you know, like somebody would like, oh, you know, track tightens up here. But Curt will be like, listen, at the end of this first run at such and such racetrack, the car is going to get tight. But don't worry about it. That's just the nature of this beast. Don't, don't free the car up because it's just that run.

If you free it up, you're going to be way too loose a second run. Like he can tell you what the car's going to do at one point in a run or what lap of this time a day and you're like, holy shit. I swear he knows what's going on more with my car than I do. And he's up there, you know, looking to SMT or sitting up there with Billy and I'm driving it. And he knows what's happening more than I do. I mean, that's just, I've tried to get better in that regard and it's taken time. I mean, you probably remember right when I first got in the truck. Like, I'm pretty sure you pretty much had to tell Doug Randolph what the thing was doing because I just, I'm not really sure, right? Like, I'm used to. You were very raw. Yeah. I mean, you didn't know the process.

You didn't know anything about asphalt racing. But I mean, you adapt it very quickly, though. It wrecked a lot of stuff along the way. Yeah, but I mean. Transmissions, yes. I mean, you were harder on transmissions than you were any body panels on the car. Yikes. Dirt vision season doesn't seem to end.

Tons more racing, as I mentioned. Millbridge starting off this Saturday at 1 p.m., come hang out with Chloe. And tons more on the schedule between shootout, chili bowl. More announcements, I'm sure, to come. Catch a lot of it on DirtVision and stay up to date on our show on DirtVision. Let's move on to AskDBC. Don't forget to send in your questions using hashtag AskDBC. Although we won't have a show for a few more weeks, I guess, until February.

You can still submit your questions. I'm sure Freddie and Brett, while they're nice and sober, will get to them on Twitter too. First question is from Carter. What is the worst gift you've ever received? You know, so this thing is a bad gift. Yeah. My grandma, she had a lot of grandkids, and we got a pair of nylon socks every year. God rest her soul, I love her to death, but you knew what you were opening, and it sucked.

Claudia, Claudia used that sewing kit she got last year yet. I don't know. Do you remember that? No. Are you doing Christmas in my house again? Cindy gave her like. What are you going to get me? I don't know.

You got me the best gift ever last year. That Dutch oven. that sounds terrible. It's actually a Dutch oven. Why are you and Brenner with the cheese together? Hang on a minute. Yeah, you might want to explain this one. Where was this?

This is actually a Dutch oven. Was this in Columbia? I don't even know. This was Columbia, wasn't it? We lost Travis. Anyway. Does anybody know what a Dutch oven is? I mean, the fucking what actually a Dutch oven is?

It's not a... No, please. It's a pot. It's a cast iron pot that I'm going to use today or tomorrow probably. But Brett told me for years, he's like, the best thing you can do is make a pot roast with this Dutch oven that I got. And I was like, that's cool. And I always, we like, we share recipes all the time. Does smell good?

Cook a lot. It smells awesome. It smells like chicken. So last year, Brett, Brett, last year gave me a Dutch oven. Christmas. So you guess what I'm going to get you this year? What did Dale say that shit was? Pass the cheese.

What was it? Remember at the live show? Pass the cheese. I'm going to bring some cheese to Brett's house for for Christmas. We didn't get to do Christmas a couple years ago because my friend

Brett. That's a game you can't return. You guys are tighter than I thought. I don't. It's a great gift to give family. Yeah, I can't top that one. It's a gift that keeps on giving. The second that left my mouth, I was like, that's bad idea.

I think he might have just got me that last year for this reason, for this moment. He's like, I'm a bite. Tyler's your name bad presents. I mean, I have gotten a few, but like, I don't know who's listening, so I'm not like going. I've gotten some really creative gifts. What if they were getting you it again? No, no, there's no way. Oh, what was it that?

I mean... There's so many options here. Yeah, I don't even know where to start. We're talking like tronis. TJ, what about you? I just can't. I'm scared to say. Gift card.

Yeah, I don't know. Yeah. You can't be the words gift if you never got it. So, yeah, that was pretty bad. I actually, I know Blake said he doesn't like gift cards, but I like, I don't mind gift cards. I mean, I know it's... Dale, are you listening?

Well, yeah, but if he actually goes and buys the damn gift card, it's a different story. So, I don't know. Normally, is there a member of your family that always gets you the same thing every year? My grandmother sends me a check for $25 every year for my birthday. Check? Every year for my birthday or Christmas. No. I have, I stopped catching them.

I kind of save them now for, I'm going to. I probably put them somewhere like frame it or something like that. But yeah, I don't think I haven't cashed one in a long time. I think one of my relatives gets me literally like socks every year. And I think I have like three packages of unopened socks. And they're socks that I may never wear my entire life. And I don't even think anybody wears these type of socks. You got like the white ones with the blue and yellow stripes at the top of them.

All right, listen, I got to run. But before I run, Casey. see i love you andrew you've done an okay job this year no one idiot for me i'll let you guys handle that title thanks for coming absolutely always good to see thanks for bringing the bruise uh i wish everybody listening a merry christmas we couldn't do this show without you fans thanks to all the guests who come on uh probably except for joel i don't know if we should thank joel or not everybody wants to start his own podcast that was pretty good no listen i love joel he and i were literally we were talking on the phone we hung up and he tweets that thing of this pin i'm like we

were just talking about what you're going to do today. I was worried that was going to cost me money. I thought we signed him to couch racers. But a lot of support goes into this show. A lot of guys and gals go in and do this thing. And Mike Davis, are brainchild and all the sponsors, all the ad reads,

we love you guys. Merry Christmas. Happy New Year. Tyler, we'll see you next year. Oh, yeah. All right. All right.

What else is new? Brett's leaving early, not showing. Hey, you got to pee again. He will. You better pee before you. I want to get one out before you go. I'll see a little bit.

What an idiot. Do you have a wooden idiot? Oh, yeah. Oh. I told you the one from Florence. Oh, the kid. Ryan Glensky. Oh, the.

This is my wooden idiot of a lifetime, I think, because I'm watching this race of Florence, and it's, it was a quick race. I think it only took, what, six, seven hours to run 300? I actually thought the race was pretty good. A lot of wrecks. I mean, there's a guy that went through a fence. And they were the funniest, this race, I was making notes. I'm like, holy shit.

We're going to talk about this race forever on DBC because a guy went through a fence and then Blake, who works here for us and Eric Brennan are announcing, and they're talking about they back the tow truck up to this guy. Now, Florence doesn't have walls for anybody who's never seen the place. So he hangs a throttle or jumps over a guy, drives over to first turn banking, down the hill through a fence. So he's probably what, Blake, I don't know, a quarter mile off the racetrack, if that you'd say. So they're hooking a tow truck up to this guy, and he's okay, obviously, he's out. and next thing you know, I hear the announcers like, and the pace car's off. They're still looking this guy up to the tow truck and here they come off a four, taking the green.

And I'm like, okay, I guess they didn't see this part. So, yeah, so they're dragging this guy off the track. So then. What's a quarter mile off track, you said? Then somebody went Quinn Huff and pitted from the top lane to the bottom and almost wiped the leaders out. I mean it, right? Yeah. Well, no.

Like, you didn't do what this guy did. This guy just hung the left and, like, wiped out everybody underneath them. but my man Ryan Glensky, who I feel bad and I'll call him an idiot now, because I think he's since apologized or maybe got some bad information. But he, early in the run, Florence is notoriously bad on tires. Choose him up. And most guys kind of run part throttle, 50% whatever, take care of their stuff. Well, Clark Houston, Andy Houston's son, decided, fuck that, I'm out. And he took off.

And he had seven, eight second lead at a probably, I don't know what the lap time they run there is, but he's gone. He's on the other side of the racetrack. And Gilleski, who's very good driver, he's very good at Florence especially, has backed himself up to the guys running second and third, which were the kid that won, Zillich, and I forget who the other guy was. And he is just maintaining pace with them. But he's a lap down because Clark is on the other side of the racetrack. So the yellow comes out.

He cycles back around to the back. Doesn't get the lucky dog because Clark had lapsed half the field at that point. So he cycles back around. Now later in the race, he's at no point now, all these cautions come out, but there's a bunch of guys laps down or whatever. He's not getting a bad. He's not getting Lucky Dog. He's not getting a Lucky Dog. And they're making a, Blake and Eric are making a point on the broadcast to say, like, sucks for Ryan. He's stuck a lap down still.

He hasn't been able to get in position for Lucky Dog. So then he has a run where it's a longer run. He drives up to like fourth or fifth in line fast, you know. And there's another caution. Well, he's fourth or fifth in line. And now it's like, I'm watching at home and it's taking forever. We're running 10, 12 parade laps. And I'm like, what's this guy?

Like, what's going on? They're like, Ryan Glensky won't get out of his position. Like he says he's fourth and he's obviously a lap down. He doesn't realize he never got the lucky dog. He must have thought he got it somewhere and he didn't. And I'm like, this guy. I mean, he's ruining the race now. Like, we're making parade lap.

Now there's an official comes on front stretch. He kind of swears at this guy. He's got his hand out of the window flipping off the tower because he, you know, he knows. Yeah, he is just so sure that he's on a lee lap. And I'm like, this is incredible. incredible. Like it's so they never got to lucky dog. He's never, never got a lucky dog.

So his family's on pit road or his crew, whoever is they're flipping off the tower. They're yelling at officials. Finally he comes, makes a hard left down pit road almost cleans out like three or four people at the end of pit road running way too fast on a live pit road. Gets out, double bird to the tower yelling at officials. And I'm like, this guy doesn't know. Like he must have. I'm like, who's screwed up here?

The tower or him, somebody has screwed up royally. Yeah. Somebody's an idiot. I'm thinking, I tweeted during, I'm like, whoever is wrong in this situation is going to be my one idiot on DBC. So finally, I forget who, if it was Caitlin or somebody that was the, not Caitlin, Jacqueline, but the infield reporter finally catches up with him. And he's like, this stupid tower, I never even got lapped.

I kept them guys behind me the whole time. Because he thought that nobody told him Clark was leading. Oh, so he was. So he ran this whole race thinking he's on the lead lap and then he got up there. But nobody, he was a half a last. lap down. He was already down a lap and a half probably because Clark, nobody told him Clark but he had no idea who the leader was. So he made a complete ass of himself. That's pretty bad. When he was a lap down the whole time and I'm like, this has got to be one idiot of a lifetime,

which I don't know if you give it to, eventually I found out it was, what is this was mom, Blake? His mom spots for him. And she took blame. She's like, I just lost track of the leader. Yeah. I thought. The guys that he was holding off were the, the guys that started off front. When you go to Florence at a place like that, you have to know who the leader is because you have cars that do that. They take off and run. Start taking off. You have got to know who that guy is. But for him to, I mean, he made a complete ass of himself and then was a thousand percent wrong at the state.

Like he was raced how they cost me a win. Like he just like he went off that they were so wrong and he knew everything. And I'm like, oh, this poor guy. And then it would come out later. I'm like, he's, that's, that's, unfortunately, I think you're a very talented guy driver. So I was watched that. Boy, I had family over. at my parents' house and I couldn't hear.

I remember them talking about that guy a lot and I didn't know what was really going on. So that explains it all. It was a really bad look. I think he's a really talented race car driver and I'm sure he regrets every minute of it now. But I'm sorry at that moment. You were one idiot for sure. You got an idiot for the year? I mean, just every official in that Philadelphia Eagles and Buffalo Bills game.

I was kidding. The end of the, I thought the end of the, what's let's go straight football now? Packers. Oh, it was so bad. It was so bad. It was like four direct calls in a row. How can Mahomes get hit when he's in balance and right on the line and trying to go forward? And you call that a personal foul.

But, you know, I'm not even mad at the horse missed horse collar tackle or whatever. The fact that you throw at an intentional grounding penalty on top of that when there's a receiver five yards from where the ball, somebody took a picture of it. This is when TJ gets, he tweets about football. I tweeted twice. I was so mad at that point. He had two tweets like in a day, which is a lot. You not calling anybody. anybody you tweeted about recently maybe or something?

Yeah. You tweet about somebody? There's that, but. He caused another hell of a wreck. I'm talking about most of our. He caused a hell of a wreck at the snowball again. I missed that. Last chance race.

Yeah, he last chance race. He's side by side with, I think, Augie running. I don't even know. They're both in the race. Gets loose, chases it up. Well, when he gets loose, he chases up into him, which is, like, you're already overstepping because you're both in the race at that point.

And then, like, Sammy gets underneath him, and he just kind of hangs a hard left. Yeah, but I will say this, and I've been in that situation. This situation, I was the guy in the bottom one time at South Boston. Peyton Sellers got loose in the outside. And when those guys catch it or a short trail, they come down the track. He's not, like, Pey wasn't trying. This is a pretty abrupt left turn with the guy underneath him.

I'm just saying you come back. Like, when you're loose and you chase it up a little bit, you don't even think real quick. You're back down the track before you even. Guess who doesn't ever get the benefit of doubt anymore. Oh, yeah. Well, I'm not saying he doesn't. But I'll tell you the disappointing part of me of that is the way that, that, you know, honestly that Sammy reacted to that.

Maybe they wreck. Sammy didn't seem like he had any interest in continuing on that. I'm saying he lets that, you know, he doesn't get in there and they carry on. Those two guys wrecking front of him. He benefits from it. But instead, he just said, I'm done with this. I'm plowing into the guy, which was kind of disappointing because I thought Sammy was a, I thought he was fast enough if something did happen.

You know, obviously down the best qualifying and stuff. But I can to say that when people get loose like that, they come down the track a little bit like i know Peyton didn't hang a left i know he was out of control and the one thing that and you could talk about this is a driver especially you know uh the end of that race majeski is leading nassie gets underneath them majestic kind of just gives him room it is what it is he's better to me lets him go on yep fast forward a handful of laps later here comes bubba bubba runs nassie down kind of puts the bumper to him a little bit off floor gets underneath him and nassie just runs him in the inside wall and and ruins both of their days i mean he didn't like it wasn't dirty

malicious, but he didn't get him any room, kind of squeeze him in the wall, and that's how you end up. And now the guy that was smart enough to just, all right, today's not my day, he inherits the wins the race. You know, so it's, I see that happily with somebody that tweeted that. And it's like, it's just a perfect synopsis of the, the amount of times you try to squeeze a guy down or hold him down, you're going to wreck at least 50-50, probably more than that. Those guys get close to that wall. I don't have a lot of asphalt light model experience, really, but when I run that, race at Lee Speedway a while back last year. I was completely surprised by how tight,

how much tighter you can run a lay-bant-all car. But I mean, you are going slower. It is a little bit different, right? Like, you know, when I was running the bottom at that race, like, people are right there on your right front. You're like, oh, my gosh, making you think about it. I'm like, oh, I can use this to my advantage. So it is a little bit different.

I can't really speak on it that well. But, you know, I think when you're running at higher speeds, you just know to give yourself a little more. And I don't remember who you were racing that night. you might but that was a perfect example of like kind of how to do it like you guys ran side by side for the last portion of that run and finished I mean it didn't work out good for you but I messed that out but you should you should have dirty him up a little bit maybe but you know it's like you guys ran side by side and ran through the line like that work but I was more talking about

just like throughout the race I was learning I was like oh okay you know you just run a lot tighter than you would think and I mean nasty said in his interview though he said he was either going to win or wreck himself but I think he pinched him a little bit too much experience with it, but I did make that connection to, okay, when you're the outside car, you can be way more aggressive than in a stock car, it holding the guy underneath you down. It will sometimes work to your advantage way more than it would in a stock car. I agree. So that was surprising.

And vice versa, like if you're on the bottom, like if you're on the bottom of somebody, you know, you try to position yourself and use them up a little bit more. It's, I mean, you're not going to get connected and take off and go sliding up into the wall because you're not, you know, you're going a lot slower. You're not going 150 miles an hour. If you're on the inside, it's all where the right front tires. If you're on the outside, it's all with the left front tires. If it's in front of the other guy, you can pinch him down.

If the other guy gets a position, he can run you up. And it's a battle for that. It just seems like the amount of times you see somebody try to hold somebody down like that, you get wrecked. I mean, I don't know. I guess it kind of depends on the racetrack, but like late at the end of the race, I feel like if you're on the outside, you're kind of delaying the inevitable. I don't, I don't, I'm not a short track asphalt guy. But I'm thinking a race like that, you're kind of delaying the inevitable, right?

You are. you're better off to, you know, let him go, like, hit in line and try and just move them up and put yourself in a restart. That was eventually for the win right there. I mean, I think he knows if Bubba gets around him, it's over at that point. But, I mean, not necessarily. But it was for the win when Nassie passed Ty. You know, Ty didn't squeeze him down into the wall.

Ty just said I'm beat at this point. And I go to Southern National and watch two guys swap the lead six seven times. No, more than that probably. I don't know. They swapped the lead twice a lap for like five, six laps straight. So it can be done, but it just to me it was unnecessary. that point but kind of ruined a good race well i would say mine is uh myself in nashville for two reasons uh first reason did not show motor no actually didn't i just just

had too much fun on wednesday night i was all but convinced at like i don't know 1230 that i had you know i had a couple more in me right i got one more in me is uh as they would say and no um i've seen Alexa shut me down and that was that was the right call so shame on me for thinking i had I had more left. And then shame on me a second time the following night, Thursday night, because as soon as the awards were over, I was over it. I was just, I was ready to go get in bed. So I left.

I got in bed. And I proceeded to miss probably one of the probably most ridiculous after parties. Yes. Casey can attested this. Yeah. Me and Alexa had a passed. Oh my gosh. Where do I even start?

I mean, by all means. I mean, I missed it, right? But I just, I get videos. I just, if I would have been there, I probably would have been on the stage like half 50-14. of them. Flow rider was Oh my gosh.

That was a one everybody dancing. Oh my gosh. I have a whole new appreciation. I missed out on a full-blown fantastic entertainment. I just, I don't know.

I should win to bed. I could see you up there with your shirt off running around my little rider. I can see that. No, I've been down there videotaped and I've been down there

a couple clips from Alexa, but I completely missed out. Oh, it's awesome. Now that you got a goal if you win her next year you can be up there. Oh yeah. That, that, unfortunately.

He doesn't even have to win. I mean, just go. If you win next year, I'm going. Just saying. Go stay for a week. And no going out Wednesday night. You're staying in.

Well, you know, I set myself up for failure. I think we're talking about it earlier, you know. You have all these parties or these get-togethers. You know, we had like three or four of them. And, you know, it's open bar and they're walking around food and whatnot. And you're just like, I don't eat any food. I'm a safe room for the important stuff. Yeah, that worked out great.

I just did a vacation like that. So, yeah, it was. No. Well, yeah. when I was in St. Thomas, I didn't do that. I ate everything in sight and drank everything in sight. When I got home, I gained seven pounds. I was like, okay, well, that was bad. I lost, in like, a week, like five days, I gained seven pounds. I lost seven pounds on this trip. I mean, I got to, you guys even down. For those wondering, I got it all back. I just stopped eating and

certain water. There's probably a lot easier for me to lose weight than you to gain weight. I mean, the first couple come off pretty easy. I can fire lose five walking out to my truck right now. flushing everything out. You also have a wedding to plan. So. Yeah. You also have a wedding to play. So Alexa will probably be proud to know that you lost it back, lost it again.

Yeah. Well, I mean, I got some work to do in the off season. I'm looking forward to it. Herm, you know, Herm. The best advice Herm ever gave me before my wedding, I'll give it to you. Don't get skinny for your wedding because you're going to have a thousand wedding pictures. Casey can attest to this. A thousand wedding pictures around your house,

and eventually you're going to get fat again, and then you're going to have to look at yourself skinny all over your house forever. I know it's going to sound crazy, but like... Herm's not even married. I think I'm like 150 right now, but I think in 2021, I got down to like 135, and we have, you know, just those devices all over the house

that have the screens and the pictures or TVs, whatever. So I'll see pictures pull up when Beau was very, very little. and I mean I'm like like just like absolute skin and bone and like dang I mean I don't look like that was like you were you were high training to get into the next turn car right I remember that yeah they lose all my

my fat and then I just cook myself when I got in it but then I get I feel good when I see like all the old pictures when I was like a buck 65 170 I was like oh my god I don't even know who that is my bobi like who's that I'm like that was actually your dad so that was herms advice because I was like leading up to my wedding I was like I got to lose some wait. He's like, don't do that. He's like, then you're going to look at. Then you're going to look at.

So what does Herm look at? Well, he was just telling me that he was right. I mean, I've got skinny pictures. He didn't even married. Yeah, but he knows. You're getting wedding advice from someone who wasn't married. Yeah. Well, he was right. Well, you know what. You need to ask Herm what Earl told him one time. Oh, I know. You got a full-body mirror. Yes. Earl, Arborbin, Earl Barbin says to me and Herm one day. I had just gotten married. And Earl had actually just gotten married too, I think. And Earl's

he's a bigger guy. And he said, He said, Herman, you got a full-length mirror at your house? We'll end on this story. We've got to get that out of here. He said, Herm, you got a full-length mirror at your house? And Herm said, no. And we've been giving Herman forever because him and his girlfriend, Kelly, I've been together for, I'm 47 years.

Yeah. And he said, you know how I decided to get married, Herm? And Herm said, no. He said, I got out of the shower one day walked by that full-length mirror in my bedroom I kind of just bounced up and down a little bit

and said yeah this is the best I'm going to do I better marry this one he says so maybe you need a full-leg mirror at your house well maybe Chloe needs to come to the studio next time

because I just found out she's at Costco and she thought a guy was Santa bigger bigger guy with the beers so Freddie I thought you said her picture I don't know what happened.

Yeah. She wants to sit on Freddy's what? I was going to be your elf on a shelf. You got any shelves that'll hold me up over there? Freddy's sitting on the counter. Mommy, what's that? That's Freddy on the counter. Although on Christmas, she was looking at the picture of Brett and Freddie from like way back

in the day that was on my phone. And she goes, da-da. And I'm like, what? What? I said, which one is she talking to? I don't want to go. Anyway, as we said earlier, thank you all for listening. Thank you to the great guests that we've had all year.

Thank you, Tyler, for coming back and being our favorite Christmas guests we've ever had because you're the only one we've ever had. Thank you to all of our support. I mean, between. Thank you all, sponsors. Dirty Mo, obviously, Mike Davis for continuing to keep us around. Bojangles, Dirt Vision. We've got a lot.

We've had a lot. all year. Yeah, I'm working on getting paid with getting us all paid. And they show with gift cards. You guys know I'm working on that. Thank you. Thank you, Andrew. Thank you, Colby.

Thank you, Blake. Travis, go f-h-h-h-h-h-yourself. You're on the wrong show. The guy that left. Travis, what did he do? He's just been drinking all that. It's the moral support. What about the guy that left?

Brandon. Yeah, F him, too. F-Hu, Brandon. What? My host and poise you. Oh, well. Oh, yeah. Your host is great.

I don't know what you tell you. Travis is your boss. technically. That's not happening. But, you know, thank you, everybody. Abby was here this year earlier in the year. Ben Walton. Dalton from the social media side.

Just everybody that helps us with Dirty Moe. Tiff, thank God for Tiff. What would we do without it? Thank you for the Dirty Moe lawyers. Justin, I feel like. They work overtime. They work overtime. Thank you.

Got that right. F you, Jason Schultz. I mean. The live shows, everybody that came out to the live shows was amazing this year. This whole year was amazing. And hopefully with Mike kind of, you know, obviously Mike's not going to be on the download anymore. He's going to kind of be more of an, he's going to oversee all of us, which is, I don't know.

But hopefully that just takes us to the next level next year. So maybe he's our first guest. Listen to the next level while you're at it. Maybe he's our first guest. Dude, I got an idea. Oh, God. Sorry to extend this. Did you see the guy that worked for the Jaguars?

No. He got arrested. He stole $22 million with like using like gift. Was it like, it's like store cards. I think we could... Oh, good idea. Yeah. $22 million before they caught him.

You think he had a good... All right. So, yeah, if you don't see me... DJ, I want to thank anybody before we get to hell out of that. I mean, I don't want to repeat everything, but everybody that Freddie mentioned and Brett and everybody that pieces it together and mostly all the fans that listen, there's not a weekend. We don't go to the racetrack where we don't get stopped and say everybody, you know, I went to an event last night in Moresville, and the first thing somebody said to me was,

I love the podcast. And they didn't like Brett, unfortunately. I was like you're in the same. Necessary evil. I meant to read some, do we want to read reviews? I say, yeah, let's do it. Let's do it. So there's, there's a couple. But I have, let's see, one of the ones I liked was, oh, hold on, this is the later one. Are you doing Apple? Oh, yeah, Apple, Apple podcast reviews. Funny, Controversal Clean. So this is from Carmen Scott from March. Funny Controversial Clean, Not So Clean. One of the best sports podcast. on the waves. They good on each other and others.

I'm assuming that means get. They bring truth and perspective. You won't get anywhere else. Listen every week and we'll have you waiting for next week's episode. That's not even scratching the surface. There gets appearance of top-notch, Tyler, that's you. NASCAR listens, and you should too. I thought the end of that was pretty good.

There was one. I had a couple bad ones, too. I had to save because, you know. There was a Reddit thread about how I was a bad producer. Well, you're terrible. Yeah. I mean, they had some great points. This used to be a really good podcast.

Now it's just a bunch of adolescents boys, adolescent boys with childish jokes laughing at each other. All Monday morning quarterbacks and are frequently inaccurate. Kiss my ass, Bill Mac was the guy. Let's see, what else we have? Mac and Alley? Might be him.

What are you doing? What are you pulling up, Tyler? I'm trying to pull up your Reddit thread. Oh, I think I've got a screenchild. Oh, yeah. I have one that I need to be fired too. Everybody, I mean, trust me. We've all been fired on Reddit multiple times.

Thank you. You guys are so funny, interesting, and speak your mind. I love that, to be honest. I'm tired of listening to the driver's whine. Tyler, stop whining. Crash each other and act like spoiled children. There are no big personalities. We need that.

Thank you. Great job. That's from Sue B. Sometimes these guys act like junior high school kids. Then Brett talks over everybody because he knows everything. The young lady, I'm assuming Casey, tries to keep it on track, but Freddie, they spell my name wrong. And Brett just can't help themselves with stupid talk.

How about talk about NASCAR and leave comedy to comedians? T.J. sees me, here's the most funny part about this thing. TJ sees be the only grown-up. Right. Do better, guys. And I look forward to your insight about NASCAR and other stuff. Slick meat, really?

Like, this guy wasn't about like this. Wait, their username? Wait, was their username? No, the username is Slickmate? No, the username is, it says Brux T, but I think it's supposed to be Bruce T. Maybe grades, really slick meat. I may have given too much credit with junior high.

Maybe grade school just keeps getting worse and worse. The last episode I couldn't even get past the drunken intro. You must not like any of those. Can't believe you support a bunch of drunks with this podcast. Try to be a little more professional. That's not going to happen. Tyler, I found that. You did?

Yeah, let's hit a couple of them. So, yeah, Andrew dot, dot, dot isn't the best producer. Clyde said Andrew's voice sounds like nails on chalkboard. Someone responded to that and said, say it louder. Dude acts so damn clueless, especially on DBC. That's pretty funny.

And then to that, to that, I replied, I could not agree more. I think I like that. Keep going. I appreciate that. What else we got?

Keep going. I think the rest of mine are good. But keep going on Reddit. I mean, there's... I mean, there's... It was a screenshot from the Reddit threads. I'll have to go back. So the Reddit threads are my favorite.

I screenshot. I'll tell you what the red that people really like. Brett. Oh my God. Listen, after I'm not going to, one road course ran in the middle of the summer or whatever, that after that thread or after that race, there was, it was highly entertaining. I love it. I comment on all the time because they're like, I like to comment and they go,

DBC just sucks now. And I go, well, what are we doing different? I don't get it. Like, we're still drunken idiots and have the same opinion. Brett's always been an asshole. I don't know why this news to anybody. Why are you surprised in his opinions? I don't know about you guys.

I find the mean tweets so amusing. Just like the fact that you can rattle someone like that. The funny thing is what I always do. And people like Ryan Priest called me one day because I forget something happened. Maybe the Bristol dirt race when him and Larson got into it and people were just piling on. And they say stuff that is so inaccurate and so outlandish that you're like, he's like, that's not even true. And I go, that's what they want.

They want you to respond. Like they want you to say, you're so dumb or something like that. I said, I just like them all. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Freddy's the biggest dumb ass I've ever seen. Like it. I think I did that. I can't remember what it was, but Joel tweeted something about me.

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, you guys had to get him a like, give him a like, you and Nick. At Bristol, I was walking in across the track there and preach to sign an autographs. And somebody's like, Freddy sucks. And I just looked over at priest and he's laughing and grinning and stuff. It was pretty funny. You had in the moment, it was funny. Yeah, you had a nice little interaction here on Twitter.

Well, I've won from a few years ago, and it's a comment on my own YouTube page, and it says, I just want to punch that kid in the mouth. I don't know why. But honestly, it could be about Jimmy Johnson. We don't know. Yeah, probably not. It's probably you. Yeah, I assume.

It's probably me. We love all of you. We love you if you hate us. We love you if you love us. And we thank you for listening. That's my always go-to. It's usually on Facebook because the people on Facebook are a little bit. but more they'll say like, this is the dumbest shit I've ever listened to.

I just go, thanks for listening. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because you're still listening. You're still listening. So to all of you, haters and lovers, thank you for listening. And we will be back in February. Yep. Merry Christmas.

Happy off season. Merry Christmas. Oh, Brett would say, holla. Check out Dirty Moe Media, Twitter, Facebook, TikTok, and Instagram.