Door Bumper Clear - 321 | Phoenix: The Worst Track in NASCAR

Episode Date: March 11, 2024

Everyone is back in studio to discuss how to improve the racing at Phoenix, the Toyotas' dominance, the controversy swirling around Roger Penske and IndyCar, and potential championship race locations in 2025. Plus, the guys discuss the phantom caution thrown for Hailie Deegan in the Xfinity race, Austin Dillon's bad luck, and if Chase Elliott will miss the playoffs.21+ and present in NC. First online real money wager only. $10 Deposit req. Bonus issued as non-withdrawable bonus bets that expire 7 days after receipt. Restrictions apply. See full terms at fanduel.com/sportsbook. Gambling problem? Call 877-718-5543 or visit morethanagame.nc.gov. Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

The following is a production of Dirtymoe Media. Still good, by one. Go on the drive, man, it'll come to you. Fall asleep on the gate out back. Keep up in top. Here, C7. Bottle three. Bottle three, right.

Go, go, go, go, go. Bopper, clear. Still there, bumper, bumper, clear, clear, clear. So, I'm T.J. Majors. Spotted the sixth cup of car this weekend. I did Arca Race with the Andy Jank, Coyette car. Pizza, man. Why?

Because it's fun. You love Arca Racing, Brett. I just don't know it yet. Brett Gryffin, I've been jacked up on painkillers for a week. So if I say anything amazingly stupid, that's why I have a release. How long have you been on these painkillers? That's what I was going to ask next. It's got to be, six years.

What's up, Freddie Crass, spotted for Bubba Wallace and Kyle Sieg this week. No arc erasing for me. But boy, what are we? What's up, Casey? Good morning. Hey guys, Casey Boat here, and we are back from Phoenix. I mean, I would say, TJ of everyone, you probably had the most solid weekend, so speak.

My Arca race wasn't that good. Nobody gives a shit about Arca. I do. It got rained out. You got rained short. So, that's the best thing to get. Arca. Arca is going to Arca.

Lap one, turn one. We were sitting. We went to. Twin Peaks and there's a handful of us there. What's that? It's a local watering hole there. The coldest beer ever. Coldest beer ever, yeah.

Twin Peaks. And we sat there and said, how far do they make it on lap one? And it was like, I was like, or how far do they make it? I was like, I'll give them three laps. And then somebody's like, I'll give them this. I was like, man, I said,

turn one is probably the number one culprit. And they wrecked. They go, I was wrong. They made it all the way to turn two. I don't know. the wreck might have started in one. No, it pretty much started in one. Based off your picture, I understand why you guys go there so often.

Oh, God. I didn't, so nobody's going to believe this whatsoever. I took a picture because it said Arca Phoenix, right? Snap the picture. Now I'm at the bar sitting there. Tweeted out Arc Night in America, whatever else I said. Put my phone down. An hour later, it's like, my shit's blowing up.

I'm like, why is there so many comments on this picture? Look at the picture and I'm like, What happened? Oh, yeah. What was in a picture? Oh, Brad, you know you love. Twin Peaks. One of the waitresses was in the bottom corner.

You got to fit the brand. I didn't know. I was in the Twin Peaks in Concord a couple years ago because we used to fly to Concord. And this lady was interviewing, attractive lady. And she went in the bathroom and she came back out with like this outfit on. And she looked like a Viking. But I guess you have to try on the clothes to interview. as part of the deal.

Well, perfectly named place. As Freddie shows us, the picture of the... It's a great... The TV's nice. They do have the cold spear ever. That's the only reason we go there.

I mean, swear to God, that's the only reason I go there. I mean, you're not going to jump over the counter and attack a waitress. Besides your extracurricular activities, I'd say, based off some feedback, there's some solid criticism

around yesterday's race. think Saturdays is pretty much. I don't think you're going to go to Phoenix without having some criticism at some point. So let's go twice and let's go for a championship. Hang on a second. Here's where, before we get into any Phoenix bashing, I have to say nobody takes better care of the spotters than Phoenix race away. We've seen Julian Latasha up there yesterday. And I actually was giving them crap because Saturday.

Yeah, Saturday. The shade that they put up for us last year was amazing. Yeah. And until this time we went by and it was freezing. Because we were shaded and it kind of created a little bit of wind. You started the race and you were cold. But in the other race, you're hot. I told Julia, I said, this is ridiculous.

Whoever put this shade up. I don't know what they were thinking about. Can't make you that he was happy. All she has to do is listen to one episode of the show and she knows what to do the Miki Peders. But I mean, they have bathrooms up there. They bring us food. They have coolers.

Yeah, they brought all day long. I mean, there's nothing more redneck than a port of potty on the roof. I love that. With that being said, though, I think we're going to have a difference of perspective of this race. I think so too. And I think that it seemed to me like people that watched it on TV thought it was, I think that people that think, listen, you don't think it was a good race.

There's no way in any world you think it's a good race. You probably might think it's a good race for Phoenix. But there's a big difference between a good race for Phoenix and just a good race. Here's my perspective on Phoenix as a fan laying in the bed, watching. There's nothing crazier in all of motorsports than a restart of Phoenix. They were five wide multiple times yesterday. And when you have that aerial view that's not tight, it is freaking awesome to watch. To your point, yes, it's going to single file out. Obviously, it's hard to pass. But for me, as a fan laying there watching it, the way the strategy

played out in Cup, the way the, you know, the things happen in the Xfinity Race, obviously we can dive into details later, but man, I would grade that race yesterday. The cup race is a B-minus. I wouldn't grade it as a bad race. And I know Gluck's pole is trending that it's a bad race. You guys probably thought it was a bad race. I talked to some of my broadcast buddies after the race, and they said it was a snooze fest for them. But, man, I thought it was a pretty good race. So the thing that, like, I think, I don't know, I don't know what it looked like on TV, but it was, for me, and this, our car wasn't great. TJ's car seemed like, could pass a little bit better than some.

There's only three cars. Three cars all day consistently that I thought could make passes. It was the 20, the 17, and the 6. They were guys that were back there with us and made progress each time they got on the track. You know, they got up. You weren't driving straight to the front. You were going to get two spots that run, get a good restart, get another two spot, and you just had to, you know, methodically work your way up there.

And you had to have pit stops to maintain. The race was, for me, was pitch stops and restarts. How many guys crashed on their own? Derek Krauss, Denny Hamlin, who, oh, by the way, is one of the best. Kyle Busch, who's, oh, by the way, one of the best. Like, how many times do we go to short tracks, which I don't think Phoenix is, but we're running the short track package? How many times do we go somewhere these days and these guys wreck on their own?

Not very often. Especially not in a short race. No. That's a short race. It's a 300-lap race. Let me ask you this. Does Denny Hamlin spin out if he's not trying to stay off the 45? I mean...

What's the difference? He's still racing. He races every race next to guys like that. I mean, he washed up three quarters to a full car width. Probably not, because if he's going to wreck, he's probably already wrecking at that point. But nonetheless, one of the most talented guys racing for the lead wrecked himself and hit the leader and spun down across the whole field, which could have been a complete another shit show. I mean, for me, like, I don't know what, what are your expectations going into Phoenix that you're so let down that this was a bad race? And I'm not talking about you.

I mean, just the people that are saying, all this sucked, what were your expectations? The thing is, I think the thing is, you shouldn't have to temper your expectations of, it could still be a bad race and a good race for Phoenix. You know what I mean? Like this, you know, we're talking about the free races we come off of. You're being a clown right now. I don't care. Did y'all talk about that last week?

Yeah, I think we mentioned. Daniel Suarez's fiance called us all three clowns. I said, I said that I left my makeup at home. And she listens, by the way, so I hope she's listening to that. You guys, seriously? You're pissing off more people? I did do some digging on why people felt the race sucked, so to speak. You did. And some were actually there, and they said it was hard because they don't have the broadcast

to listen to, to share, you know, the broadcast did a great job of making it seem more exciting. Not buying that, because you can listen to MRN from... Well, from feedback. From feedback, it was that. But they also were saying that it's hard to pass. And I don't know about you guys, but I don't think it'd be hard to pass if, Martin Trix had to literally pit from the lead unlapped himself and finished seven.

Yeah, but he did that with 50 lap better tires. So let me ask you this. But what was Vegas? But he had 50 lap better tires. Christopher. Christopher was an exceptional car. Oh, yeah. Did he drove from the back to a top 10?

What was Vegas's ratings? He got tires when everybody else got tires. When you saw guys yesterday, I swear to God, and our car, like I said, wasn't great. if we were in the middle of a run just said a crane came in and picked Bubba's car up and placed him anywhere in the field that's where we were going to run that whole run

and that was true for just about anybody you look at Tyler Redick how good was Tyler Redick all day he gets cycle back he runs top two top three's winning stages battling for leading stages you put him back in 12th when he took four and everybody took two you never saw him yet you know you like Ty Gibbs Ty Gibbs was really fast the first stage

has a bad pit stop comes out midpack never saw him again until he cycles back up front with pit strategy You know, like it took forever to get back up there. And guys, like I said, there was guys that could make passes, but it was, if restarts, you could make up ground. You can make up four or five spots on a restart. Then you might be able to pass one or two guys that run after five laps of shaking it out.

But then you were stuck. And that's all. I mean, it is what it is until you saw. On equal tires, it was very hard to pass again, I thought. Yeah. I don't think, I think the race was on social media already. it started off at a negative before they even went green. Oh, it's always going to.

Yeah, and that's like from social media and past races there. I feel like the driver's comments, like a couple of them got out, so they felt like it was worse. A couple of them got out, so they felt like it might be a little bit better. But I feel like if you don't get out and say this is the greatest thing ever, then it's going to be a negative race anyway. I thought, I was listening to Teardown last night. Gluck was trying to make an example,

and I think he just continued to contradict himself because he said, like he said well good cars could pass you know but then he said like you know he's like well if if you take if you you know the hay he's made using the hens your cars as an example he's like the henture cars can run top five all day until you put them in traffic and then they couldn't do anything well that that's a problem 14th was what they shouldn't have been able to run top five to begin with you know what I mean like that's if they're not good enough to run you know if they're not good enough to pass but you put them up front you know you look at the end of the race true x stays out on old tires and drives away from everybody that put tires on and he's gone and I don't

I mean, if he doesn't have to stop for fuel, I don't know if the 20 catches him. You know what I mean? Yeah, well, that first group was at the beginning of that run, that first group was iffy on fuel. Like they were, it was close. So I'm sure once Truex got out there, they were probably like, okay, well, he's got, it doesn't make sense to chase him because he's got a pit. I mean, but I think, I think Ty got the second. He did. fairly quick.

And he was, he had a really, really, really good restart. He had pit with us. So he had plenty of fuel. Yeah. But it's just, I, I, I, you. Other than blow the place up and start over, what are you going to do? You can't do anything. The only solutions are, just deal with it.

You have two. Listen, they're not taking a dataway because they sell it out every time we go out there. So taking a data way is not going to happen. I don't think, like, not every track can be the best track on the circuit. So I don't really, and you know what, it is an exciting track. And I think people just need to let it go take Phoenix for what it is. You want to make it exciting. I mean, this is never going to happen.

But listen, the tire is the problem. The tires, like centers around. I mean, it's a major factor. It needs to fall off way more. You know what? You don't even change a tire, but you get two sets. That's it. You get three sets.

You get two sets laying there, one set on the car. You got to run 100 laps each set. You know, it's 312 lap race. I just think everybody else through pretty much the same strategy. I mean, probably. If you got two sets and there's two stages, you're going to take them. You're going to run, you're going to run 100. And you can't even run, you're going to pit the second stage is.

The second stage is 100 laps. You're going to run the whole thing. Nah, man. Yeah, probably. I mean, you got to. Well, no, it's born a hundred. hundred laps, right? You have to take them because if the college comes out and you're going to get a

more than a fuel window. So you're going to pit and not put tires on in the third stage? You put your qualifying scuffs on, I guess. Maybe something. But I'm saying, like, if you've got to do something because there's, there's just, nothing's going to change. Especially if it's unlimited tires and the tires don't wear out. Well, they just need tires.

Is it the worst race track on the circuit? Yes. For racing. Yeah. I mean, it's, I mean, for the cup cars, probably. I would say, yeah, probably for the cup cars. not the worst for Xfinity. I mean, the other race has seemed to be, the Xfinity guys seem to be able to do more.

But that's pretty, pretty common with the way the cars are there. You can drive up behind somebody and get them loose with those cars still and you can do more things like that. These guys in the cup cars can't really, they can't manipulate. The only real area you manipulate is the wake. And you don't really, like, like we talked about before, when they went to the new car, remember we saw somebody drive right up behind somebody. they didn't get loose at all they got super tight that they took that took away all the um all the

passing all the offense you could play behind somebody yeah the manipulation comes from the front now the guy in the back used to be able to manipulate it or drive up and look at you loose now it's manipulated from the front if you get the arrow block or you mirror drive them it's over yeah yeah and that makes it hard to pass we we had a hard time passing ross because and the 99 um the 99 ran somebody down in front of us and we caught him well he started mirror driving and the guy in front of him drives away. If he would have focused, like, I don't understand what the, what you're thinking is. Like, if you're better than, you're going to get called a clown again. Well, no, I mean, it's, this is, this happens throughout the field a lot, too. You start

focus on the car in your mirror instead of passing the guy in front of you and then you lose 15 car lines to the guy. That's the telltale sign for me all the time with, especially Phoenix is the perfect example of it. Like, we were behind the 47 at the end of the race and we can't get past. We can't get past them. We can't get past them. We can't get past them. We can't get We get by him, drive away from him by a straightaway in two laps. You know what I mean? So like you're obviously much faster than that guy, but you just can't get around him unless you're astronomically faster like Martin was at the end when he's got, you know, a second

and a half better tires. He was passing a car a lap. Yeah. I mean, he's running. It's like a second and a half fall off over 60 laps. And I think he had 50 lap newer tires. So he's over a second faster. He's going to pass people.

But, you know, nobody else is going to be able to do that. The only thing that, I mean, I do think the track's getting a little wider in three and four still, it's slowly getting wider down there. I mean, we'll talk about the package. They move the wall? Not yet. No. But, yeah, I don't know.

We would set up passes. Listen, it exceeded my expectations. And the thing is, in today's world, we got so many different ways to watch. I mean, it used to be, like Casey said, MRN, TV, or in person. And now you've got the social media element. Obviously, our perspective is that of spotters. And I just feel like it was a freaking B minus. I don't know what y'all is expectations are.

No, there's, like you said, it exceeded your. expectations because your expectations were pretty low. They were very low. I didn't expect three guys to wreck by themselves. I didn't expect to see, you know, guys in the back, Austin Dillon, Austin Cendrick, who needed to have good runs, pile into a wreck. Austin Dillon, I don't know what he's got to do. Austin Dillon is the unluckiest son of a B.

On the planet right now. I mean, he's been caught up in wrecks every week. Every week, it seems like in the first five laps. They've been Josh Williams, too. I mean, same deal. Josh Williams. I don't know about Josh. He's,

he is struggling. He's going to have to do. He made a spotter change. Yeah, made a spotter change after two weeks of, I really didn't understand that either. I know he, he went back to the guy he had last year,

which I get. That's a comfort thing. You know, Bubba talks about that a lot. But the two weeks, he, like, there was just, I think he got two flat tires.

Like, or got caught in a record Daytona and they got a flat early at Atlanta, and then made a spotter change. Like, I don't know if the, was a spotter shooting the tires out from Bruce,

or if you don't like what you're hearing though oh yeah no for sure i get it but put the window net it hasn't it hasn't it hasn't really translated into any better he's got to go look i mean the good news is he's off um this week but he's got to hit a full-blown reset you're going to coda

but here's what he's got to do he's got to qualify better that's a sorry you cannot qualify especially in Xfinity I mean if you're qualifying worse than 20th something's really wrong in a car in a fully funded car like what colic has yeah you can't you can't you can't go and the cup series look it's going to happen.

Kyle Busch qualified terrible at Phoenix. So if you're Austin Dillon, you can sleep that night going, I'm all right. Kyle Busch also is back here with me. If you're Josh Williams, you cannot qualify outside of top 20 in a college race car. And the thing, especially with the Exfendi series we've seen,

that's one of the better point battles at the end of the year, you know, because you're never, ever going to get stage points in the first stage if you're back there because the stages aren't long enough. I mean, I don't even know whether they were there. 35, 45 laps. Super short. So, you know, you're never going to have time to get there if you're qualifying.

I mean, he was behind us this week. I don't know, like 28th, 29th or something like that. Yeah. You know, you've just got to do a better job. There's no, there's no excuse for you. I wonder if I see, like, I wonder if there's just a point, like, like a guy like him comes in there. You know, it's not what you're used to driving like. You know what I mean?

Like, it's not, like, we've seen Josh take cars. You're not used to being in a fast cars. Yes. Well, we've seen Josh take cars that. shouldn't finish 15th and finish 15th with them, you know, and it's a whole different mindset, in my opinion than it is to go out there. Okay, I'm a top five car this week. There's guys, and colleague is one of them that, you know, they run their cars a certain way. And if you're not used to driving your car a certain way, then you've got to get used to it quick. And it's,

and it's, it's an edgy deal over there. Um, but, you know, there's, you know, it's, he's, there's guys you see in this sport that overachieve in under, under, funded cars. And then they get an opportunity in a better car and kind of do the same thing. And I love Josh, by the way. He'll preface this. I think Josh is an awesome kid, a guy, awesome guy, super talented. Had him on here last year for one of our best shows, I think. But you're on the verge of now that you being in that pool of, is this guy just a top 15 guy, or can he step it up and make it happen in a better ride? I think there, I mean, we had, there was some other drivers that went through a call on

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cellular is also easy to use. Spot on, spot off. Spot off. Spot off. Spot off. It was super fun yesterday to ride around there. I am spot off. Damn. Where do you come from? Let's move on to spot on, spot off. First topic, the short track

package still makes for boring racing and it needs to be fixed. Brett. Again, I don't think Phoenix was a boring race. Had it been a 500 lapper, I may have a completely different opinion, but the amount of laps that they run and the on-track action that I saw, I gave it for the third time of B-minus. The story is going to be told this weekend at Bristol.

The story is going to be told three weeks from now. They don't run it at Bristol. No. They don't run this short-track package at a short track. Well, then what the fuck are they running at Bristol? I don't know. Jesus. This makes about as much sense.

It's interesting how few curse words we had last week. Well, when you do dumb shit, you're going to cuss. You can't, why don't you run the short package in this? Freak, short, short pack, put your eye to that. That's a pissed off like it. Ray, you should try consumer cellular. Consumer cellular. I think one thing I did notice, maybe Freddie saw it too, is I felt like the cars were

looser through off of four than normal. Yeah, yeah, you could definitely notice. You noticed it big, especially. I saw more than I ever have. Like, firing off practice, firing off. You could see guys, I mean, Bubba, he went by. in practice. He was, you know, tight on that wall, like around the start finish line.

Yeah. And in both, both days, I noticed he, he scuffed the left rear and, like, majority of the cars I felt like had that little scuff around the right rear wheel well. But it was, you know, you could definitely notice it more. But, you know, at the same time, it. Phoenix. Does that trending in the right direction, though? I think so.

I think it was, I think after the race, it's funny because you look back and it's like, Chris Rebell was now loose. Yeah, Chris Rebell was just fine. But, you know, you look back and it's, I seen, I listen to Gluck last night he talked about Truex saying you know the package was better you could move around a little more after this is after the race you can move around a little more you could pass

that was after he just drove to the whole field in the middle of the race in the middle of the race he was bishing this thing's terrible and you can't pass and so it's just circumstantial like I probably I'm sure my view is skewed because it didn't matter what we did yesterday wherever we cycled out whether it was fourth 11th

15 17th that's where we were going to run until we got another chance at a pit stop or a restart. So I think it was visually they looked a little more on edge. They looked like they could move around a little bit, but you still could pass. A little more

on edge is in the right direction, though, because I think guys aren't in the throttle the whole time. And this is not a fair place to judge it, because we've talked about it out here before. So where they're running this thing again? Richmond and then Martinsville. Martinsville, I think, will be the real test. Yeah, Martin's

is the place that I... Martin'sville is a place that they have hurt the most. Yeah. You know, Phoenix is we've taken 14 generations of cars and 75 different packages and just don't have great races there. So you can't really expect to, you know, change a short track package. On top of that, we race there twice a year and every year we go test there. That's because it's warm. So now you're, every time we talked about Martinsville last week on here, every time you test somewhere,

you make that box smaller of, you know, the field's going to get tighter and tighter because you have that much more data for that place. You know, I don't think Phoenix is, I know it's rough looking at times, but like there's multiple different lines there and guys can get side by side. But it's also how good these guys are and making it hard to pass too. You've got, look at Formula One guys. They know exactly what to do at times like taking the entry away to corners and stuff. I mean, these guys, when you catch them, know how to make it super hard to pass. You can get beside a guy, but it's really hard to clear them.

Wow, we couldn't even get beside a guy. Well, I mean, but that, like, it's, Phoenix, I think, is unique because you go into turn one and you got a guy that runs all the way up against the wall and you got a guy eight, ten car lengths below them or on the bottom, and then they meet on the exit of the corner. I still think that's something that... Boy, that's fun to spot, isn't it?

It's pain in the ass the spot, but, I mean... The broadcast said yesterday, the spotters have a great view of this racetrack. I'm like, what f*** they do? You've never been on this spotter stand. Oh, my gosh, yeah. They do have a great view, but their angles are absolutely garbage. I mean, it's cool for the middle of the corner where you can say three outside,

But when you get to the exit and they're coming at you, you're trying to clear your guy up. It's not quite as ideal. But, yeah, I think people just need to accept Phoenix for what it is. And it still can be, I think we're going in the right direction with it. And, you know, there's still, there's some exciting points of that race. It does not need to be the championship weekend. No. I mean, for any reason.

Like, there's, there's, the only way you can convince me that Phoenix should even be part of the championship conversation is if it's a, some kind of playoff. In three-race playoff like Denny's brought up before, you can run Martinsville, Phoenix, and Homestead. And those are your three races with four guys, whatever you want to do. I could even accept it being the last race of the season in a three-race playoff. But there's no way you can sell me on the fact that that's our best option

to go back for a one-race playoff. If you're going to keep it to Phoenix at the end, it probably would be beneficial to have it like a three-game, three-race series or something at the end. I'm going to ask how this. Pittsall number one. should it be as big of an advantage as it is. So, you know, you've been saying this for a couple days now,

and I saw some tweets about it also. You know, it's an advantage basically for the camera position. The camera position is at the end. Very, very, very short distance from the pit box exit to where the camera line is. The camera is basically at the end of the first pitch box. The camera line needs to be at the speed line. Yes. That's an easy fix.

That's all you've got to do to really help it anyway. Because you see anywhere you look that the camera is, is at the end of that box? It's easy because what happens is you don't have to do anything. If you're in that per stall, you just basically bump forward a little bit and you're through the camera while everybody else is. Like you'll be, there's numerous times we had it last year. I forget where we sat on the poll, maybe Texas.

And it was, we would bump through the line and three guys would go by us. And we'd technically be fourth, but we were the first one off pit road because we tripped the camera first, you know. Same thing. It's at Dover. But going back, championship weekend in all three series, we saw Kyle Larson win a championship. because of a pit stop and where he was on pit road.

We saw William Byron, who should have won it. Ryan Blaney blew his doors off and won the race or finished second to end up winning a championship. But should we go back to Phoenix of all places where if you sit on the pole, you have a major advantage? I don't have a problem with that, honestly, because you earned it. You know, it wasn't like a draw. It wasn't some kind of lottery.

You know, you can... And they've changed the qualifying order at the end of the year, too, to make it even for all the cars, too, so you're not going out into a group that's way worse. You know what I mean? So when Brett Kesslowski makes the final four and Bubba Wallace makes the final four, and Denny Hamlin sits on the pole, and you qualify second and you qualify third and he kicks your ass all day. You're going to be okay with that.

You're going to be able to eat it on Sunday night after that race. Yeah, yeah. So are you saying Denny would have won the race yesterday? Had it not been finished. I'm just saying it's very obvious. We should not have an advantage that big just for sitting. But was it, I mean, what did Denny do yesterday? That was such a.

I'm not talking specifically Denny and yet. Yesterday. I mean, three out of the last seven races going into yesterday, the poll siter won. I think that the numbers get skewed a little bit, especially if you know, I think this is an advantage at a lot of play. You look, I think Charlotte, I was asking JR about this before I came in here. Charlotte is another one. I remember. Texas, obviously, might have been another one because it's like there or wherever it was we were on the poll.

I can't remember. But then the numbers get skewed a lot more in Phoenix's favor for what we're talking about. You can't pass. So if you do manage to come off the lead, then they can't get around you. Or if you come off, you know, if you're running third and bounce to the lead. Or if you're running sixth and bounce a third, your position retention is a lot better, you know, or you get a good restart. So the numbers, I think, obviously Phoenix is a heavily favored pit stall number one,

but I think a lot of different things play into it. I don't understand. Yeah, Denny earned that spot. He should get a guy ass all day if he did it. You know what next time? If I want that spot, I need to go out there and get the damn. Focus on qualifying. There needs, you know, it's part of the, hey, man, you're putting it on the line right here.

Go run this lap. You know, and some guys are better at qualifying in others. But yeah, I mean, that's a position, even if it's you and you earn it, that's your spot, man. I mean, I think it's earned. Well, on a similar topic, after Toyota's dominance at Phoenix, they would be considered the favorite going into November. Spot on, spot off Freddie. Yeah, I guess spot on. You know, they were obviously very fast.

I think they led all the labs except for when Gillen stayed out and ran long. I think it was four or five different guys So the first stage I looked up And there was four Toyota's You know checked out The only the only concern I have And listen And we go back in November

I don't know how simple The weather can affect that place a lot So that plays into it We saw coming out of that test I think That we kind of knew Toyota was going to be pretty strong When we went back But the thing that concerned me

Was they were very fast But when they lost track position They struggled Except for Bell. Bell was like the outlier yesterday. His car was exceptional. He could do whatever he wanted. Yeah, I don't think Bell is a good. He's not a good reference. It's not very often you see cars like. I think on the broadcast they mentioned every single car had a different setup. I'm assuming. Yeah, I mean, I'm sure they're not. I mean, I don't know how close ours were to the 45 or anything.

But, you know, like once we, we were kind of buried in traffic. And the thing is, like early in the runs, you saw like Tyler was running top three, I think, and it was able to drive to the front. That's not so bad. But when you get further back in traffic, it just gets worse. You know, you you just get tighter and tighter and tighter. So then, because you got your car set up to run up front. You know, if you're the 45 and then guys, they know they're up front, they can be a little freer because they got good track position. Well, then once you lose the track position, you're tighter. Now you're like, oh, shit.

Like now I wasn't banking on this. So now I'm really tight. I need to be able to, you know, you're running a little bit tighter up front because you're going to clean air. So now you get buried. Now you're in traffic and now you're tight as f***. So that was the only thing that concerned me was when they did lose track position, it seemed like it was harder.

The 43 got back. buried, never saw him again. Did you fence that guy? No, somebody fenced us into him. It was a mixture. Yeah. A mixture of what? Of the 23 and 14.

Oh. And the 43. 43 was just kind of an innocent bystand. Yeah, 43 was, he didn't do anything. Yeah. It doesn't seem like the day love loss between Eric Jones. We, it got real tight between the 14 and 23, and they kind of washed up. We went to, we went, we left the whole open down the backstretched.

We filled it off a two before. Well, let me, now, let's get this right. They left a hole. They're already three wide. Bubba makes it four wide. Yeah. Okay. So it was Bubba's fault.

I'm just, no, I mean, I don't blame him for driving in there. Is there a rule against making it four wide? No. Is it hard to pass a Phoenix? You make your own luck.

Okay. I'm saying it's, I looked at the video I saw the fourth, where you make it four wide? The last guy to the party was here. The 14's got a half a car with. I'm not saying he didn't come up in. Who made contact?

Okay. Yeah. The 14 came up. If there was a rule against making it four wide, let me know. because I was four-while. I don't know what the 14 knew, but he came up from... So you're saying Joe didn't tell him.

No, I don't know. No, he don't even need a spotter if you go back to the comments from Wiltsboro. He's got cameras. Him and Burton. Yeah, them too. He came up like there wasn't going to be anybody out there, and there was two cars there. And it looked like he was only expecting, I mean, honestly, it was kind of impressive that Bubba got into that spot, first of all. Like, they weren't going to be four-wide, but Bubba got a great run off the corner.

So it's still Bubba. was fault. No, the 14 came up like there was going to be one car there and I think when he heard two outside it was already too late. Yeah, it was, he had like the thing that he had, he had room to his left. And I, he, he made a lot of room to left. He made the comment, you know, if he wants to complain that we made it four wide, his comment after the race was, well, first of all, he said, I don't know what Corey's mad about the guy behind me wrecked him. Well, no, we were outside of you. Um, so if you want to blame on us, we were still not behind you. We were outside you. Uh, and then he said like, listen, I don't care. The, the, the aggressive guys are the guys that run up front. So I'm going to be aggressive. Well, then if that's your feeling, you better be ready for everybody else to be aggressive, too.

Yeah, it was definitely an aggressive. But you had to do it. I felt like, especially there. We're on two tires. We have to get as much track position because you know there's guys with four coming. Like, it's the last restart. You know, it could be the last restart of the race. So, I mean.

So let me ask you this. Say Briscoll comes up a little bit further and just takes you and the 43 out that, you know, in that corner. Do you still think that you have to make that move? Yes. I think you do at Phoenix. I think that's a, you know, at some places, no. Maybe you can just back off and get back around them. But I think at Phoenix, if you don't, if you're not taking every opportunity to get a front of somebody, you're not doing it right there because you have to be at your most aggressive,

especially on restarts to get as much track. 43 was on. Probably stayed out. Yeah, I think he was, I don't think he did. I think he was on the one, he might have been the one of the ones that pitted with like Ross when they pitted like and then they flipped it. we did two. I don't know what the 14 did. You're definitely not going to want to go in the corner behind a guy in older tires.

No. No, we're not going to. You can't. You can't. I preach to Bubba all the time, especially at Phoenix. And it really goes for anywhere. You have to have momentum moving forward when you get to turn one. If you stop for somebody, if you run in the back of somebody, you're getting split five wide at Phoenix.

You're getting split five wide at Las Vegas. You're in a position you didn't choose. You have to figure out a way to have momentum going forward when you get to turn one. That's all there is to it and restarts, especially at a place like Phoenix. And listen, it was, I'm not saying it wasn't an aggressive move. Obviously, it didn't pan out. But you have to take those chances at a place like Phoenix if you're going to run in the top 10.

You had momentum when you hit the 43. Right to the right. We were going right with right. Right. Not left. Brett, spot on, spot off. Do you think Toyota is favored in November? It's very obvious who the fastest cars were all weekend.

And given the way that the strategy played out, obviously Christopher Bell drove back up up through the field. But, man, if you give, if you put four Toyota's up front, they're going to stay up front. But on the same note, if you put Kyle Larson in the lead there, I don't know how easy he's going to be to pass either. So there's a lot of time between now and getting back to the second Phoenix championship weekend. Teams are going to get faster. You know, Ford showed a lot of speed yesterday with the RFK guys, and they're going to continue to get better. So it's way too early to tell, honestly, if there's an advantage. But it will be very interesting to see for you

fantasy players out there. When you get to Richmond, I would load up on Toyota drivers. There's obviously a difference in this race compared to previous years with Toyota. Is this a product of the new car? It's, yeah, probably. I mean, obviously, I would think, I don't know, I wasn't, they didn't invite me to the TRD meetings. Why? Weird. But, you know, you would think that first and foremost priority is we have to be better at Phoenix.

You know, if we're ever going to win a championship, that's where we have to be better. And, you know, I don't know if they put all their eggs in that basket, but they, you know, they certainly hit on something because we have the Toyotas have not been very good there in the next gen package. I think somebody said they had like 15 laps lead total in the other four races or whatever we've had there since we went to this package. So they obviously did something to improve on their Phoenix package and they hit on something because not only was, you know, it was across all three Toyota teams also.

The 45 was very fast. The 43 qualified well. He was running in the top three or four until he had a bad pit stop. you know, the 54, all the JGR cars are fast. I thought Ty Gibbs was going to get his first win. Yeah, he looked like, there was points where you look up and you're like, Danny's checked out, he's leading and then Reddick runs him down. And there was just,

he saw the 20 car. Yeah. The 20 was the, he drove to the front every single room. I knew he was going to. That's why I picked him. Yeah. You didn't even pick him. We picked him for you.

He wasn't even your first pick. He was his fourth pick. But on the same note, on the same note, Chevy, they weren't as dominant as they have in PrevC. again, is this product of the change? They won the first three races. And for whatever reason, man, you never really think they're going to be the championship favorite in the last two years they've cleaned their clocks winning championships.

So, I mean, that's the problem with a one race championship event is whoever shows up, a Ryan Blaney, a Joy Lagano, whoever that might be, they've got all their eggs in one basket. There's usually not multiple four teams from multiple organizations in the championship weekend. And it's usually one team from one organization. And if you're JGR, you got two cars in it. Like, it's hard to balance that. So I think it's a lot of it just kind of the way it's played out. But when you look at the way the season started, Chevrolet goes out, win, win, win,

and it's like, man, this Toyota Ford thing must not be great. Well, Ford still had one or four races in. And the Ford's like, I mean, Blaney, I think he's leading to points, but it's like a quiet, obviously he almost won Atlanta. But he hasn't been dominant. He's just been kind of a top five, 10 guy getting stage points, every stage. Riganos wrecking every week.

Ragonos in the back every week. Stuart Haas has shown a big improvement. I was going to say, I was going to ready to say, like, the most notable Ford is probably Noah Gregson. Like, he's been, if he was, what's going to hurt him is that damn penalty they got last week, because I think he's still buried in points. He's 26th, then points. He would be 15th without the penalty. Yeah.

So, I mean, that hurts. That's a race. They basically took a race away from him. I will say I looked at Noah's car and I was like, Danica. It looks just like that in his car. We were talking about that all week. Yeah. All weekend.

Is Noah hot like Danica, Casey? There's no a hot. Is he a hot driver? I would say Noah's very hot. I don't know. Absolutely. Spot on, spot off. NASCAR should not have thrown in the couch in for Haley Deacon in the Xfinity race.

I'm afraid to get the answer, but TJ, you're shaking your head. No, I wasn't there spotting it. And I wasn't watching it at the time. Oh, here. I would run. You were watching Mr. opinionated over here. I mean, honestly, he's half the war in the last topic.

You may see a replay? Just put your head in your jacket. Just put your head in your jacket. Take this shit off. Go outside. Spot on, spot off. Come back in 20 minutes. I mean, there's no choice but to be spot off.

And I meant to try to get a chance to run into the race director, Jesse, from that day. But Jesse is the race director for Xfinity now? He was that day, yeah. Wow. You could tell they knew they did something wrong because it was a very, it was a very, strange, oh, you weren't there, so you can't even back this up. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It was a very strange caution call to begin with.

Like there was a, there was a, somebody keyed up, you know, because we can hear, say somebody keys up the microphone, even if they're not talking. You can hear a button get keyed up and you can hear it. So there was like a key up and then, I don't know if it was a corner guy maybe that I heard saying something quick. And the next thing you know, the yellow's out. And I'm like, the first of all, we couldn't hear a yellow flag all weekend. Yeah, it was really bad.

It was really bad. The worst it's ever been. So then you look, you're looking for lights, so see the lights are on. You're like, what the, all right, like, I don't know what the yellow's for. So then we finally see a replay. And I'm like, how I knew that they screwed up or that they knew they screwed up was radio silence after the yellow. After the caution. Like it was radio silence for at least a lap. So let's walk you guys through that.

Typically, when the caution comes out, there is a sequence of events that happens from the tower to communicate to safety vehicles. and two vehicles that are first responders to get on the scene and make sure everybody's okay. So you're telling me, after the caution, it was silent. Silence. It was like they were looking at each other going,

Who hit that fucking button? You know, like, it was, it was, I guarantee, you know, if the corner, again, the radios were not working great, so maybe I missed something that they said that, but it sounded like a corner worker might have said like turn one and maybe they just panic, you know, like they saw Haley,

but Haley wasn't even, sideways. Like I've seen times since before where people get like sideways and save it, little smoke on the tires. She was just kind of running the high lane and got a little out of shape and the yellow came out. And then the problem with that is you reset the field and then we

wreck the whole field on the next restart. Like, so this. I mean, they don't. The drivers control that. But this is how something like this can't great. Yeah, they're holding the wheel. This affects the race so much

that you can't, like it can't. It was a very unfortunate situation. Chandler Smith has checked out. The race is playing out organically. They throw this BS caution. And like Freddie said, it completely changes everything. Well, the same guy you just said won the race. It completely changed everything.

He lost three spots on pit road. He comes out. He's being very aggressive. For somebody that didn't watch this, you shouldn't know a lot about what happened. I know who won. How did you win? By finishing first. Yeah, when the guy that checked out, left rear tire blew out.

He had no idea. Keep talking. We'll just let you have this segment since your omniscient on this subject. Just saying. So I'm telling you guys, the problem that I have with this is we shouldn't have thrown the caution. Like, we have to decide. We need the same person throwing the caution every week in every single series so that we know there's consistency. Lack of consistency for the, how many times have we come on this show and said there should have been a caution when there wasn't?

There should not be a caution when there is. This is one of those times where there is zero reason to throw the caution and to Freddie's point. When you did throw the caution, pit stops happen, guys give and take and lose positions on pit road. They have a very aggressive restart up front. The leader's wreck, and they wide up 20 cars. You know what it reminds me of? It reminds me of a bad roughing the passer call in a football game. Yeah.

It's a flag that affects the outcome of the game. Or like a no pass interference, something like, you know, like you're changing. I mean, they basically put a company out of business for race manipulation. No? Right? I mean, MWR got smoked with, you know. But, you know, like there's, you know, this is the ultimate race manipulation. You're throwing a caution when there's nothing wrong.

Like, obviously you're not doing it intentionally. And I don't know. The problem is I have lost races for this same stuff. Clint had a massive lead at Dover. This is just one example. I have 50 in my pocket. Clint had a massive lead at Dover, and they literally came over the radio and said, put it out. And I'm like, caution's out.

Clint's like for what? I'm like a cigarette butt because there's nothing has happened on the racetrack to warrant a caution. We went on to lose that race. So John Hunter, whoever, they thought they probably were in contention to win. They didn't win because of that caution. You know, Chandler obviously overcame. He was leading the race. He came out forth, aggressive restart.

He is part of the wreck. you know, Chandler and I talked about this yesterday. He called me, so, man, what do you think I did wrong in that restart? I was like, nothing. You shot, you were, you were squirt in the middle the whole time, and you finally got it to open up. When you shot it, the 98 kind of hit the apron. He'd come up into you. The 20's kind of coming down. You're in a bad spot. TV said it was John Hunter's fault. I don't think it was all John Hunter's fault. It was a victim of circumstance. But to your point, we don't wad all those cars up if they don't throw that caution.

Yeah, and I talked to Chandler. He texted me. Same thing. I took him congrats. I spotted for him last year, obviously. And the same thing. I said, man, it's like you can't change the way. If you change the way you drive, you're not going to win races. You're not going to win races. So, especially when your pit crews losing three spots every time you pit. That's not ideal either. You have to drive like that. You have to drive like that. I'm up for it. Yeah. So Brett, you make the comment of consistency having the same person making those calls. Well, I mean, I think Jay brought it up. Every, every sport has those issues, right? Because it's sometimes subjective with a ref or whoever it is, how do you change that? How do you fix it when it's always going to happen in every sport?

There was no reason in that situation to be in a rush to throw the caution. If you thought there was debris there, you have plenty of time to get TV to help you go down there and look with their cameras. Clearly she barely brushed the wall. I don't even know if she knocked the paint off the wall. She drives off. You cannot, when you see a massive wreck, when you see Denny Hamlin wreck in front of the field and shoot back across the racetrack, that is an automatic caution. Literally. I saw some people yesterday. That shouldn't have been a caution. Yes, it should have been. They're running 160 miles an hour. He wrecked in front of the field. He went across the racing surface. You have to have enough common sense to know that's a caution. But you cannot rush these

cautions that shouldn't be cautions. They rushed it. They missed it. Moving on, Michael And Reddy's Sell a Series comments about Roger Penske and Indycar. And just a quick blurb, he says, sell the series. There's people out there willing to do it. What you need is big money behind it to get it to that level. And if he's not willing to do it, I think he should step aside and let someone else buy it. I'm going to give you a little bit of more context to this too. So there are also some reports in the Associated Press in the news this weekend that Roger Penske went to the team owners and said he wants to do a charter system. Obviously, that's coming from NASCAR and the valuation. He told each team owner to Jed, you see this?

Yes, I know of it. He told each team owner he wants $1 million for them to own a charter in IndyCar. And they all told him to fuck off. They weren't giving him a million bucks. One million dollars for each team. For each team. So he essentially would raise $25 million in capital. So I have to think that some of Andretti's comments were built around that.

But Andredi also went on to say in this same article that $25 million, if they were going to go out and raise $100 million, he can see where that would greatly help their series. be a bigger deal, that he feels like they are a, quote, diamond in the rough as a series. So Michael Andretti is taking big shots at a billionaire, Roger Pinsky, who went out and spent hundreds of millions of dollars to buy IndyCar, buy Indianapolis Motor Speedway. So I don't know. I'm spot off that these comments are being made publicly before your season even starts. Because to me, that's a bad look. When I look at that series, do I think there's a lot of opportunity?

Yeah, I do. but I think A, they run too few races. B, I think they run too few of cars. And C, they do a terrible job of making their drivers superstars. Who is a superstar in IndyCar right now? I mean, the New Garden. But he's not a... There's no superstar.

There's no... Enough people don't watch it. He ain't a superstar. When you go back to when Michael Andretti raced or A.J. Foyt raced or Mario Andretti or whoever, they were superstars. Tony Stewart was a superstar when he drove from... for IndyCar. When he was a part-time Bush Series driver and driving a shell car for Joe Gibbs racing, he was a superstar in the IndyCar world. They don't have one. So while I respect what Michael

is saying, and I don't think he's necessarily wrong, I don't like these comments being made publicly. And it's hard to read somebody being critical of Roger Pence. Agreed. Because we see for, I don't know anything about the inner workings of the IndyCar series. For me, I think it's as popular as it's been in the last decade or so, or maybe more so. Now, you don't know the drivers, but you didn't know the drivers then, aside for maybe the Andretti's, you know what I mean? But, you know, like we see firsthand when we go to Indianapolis Motor Speedway, we see the effect Roger Penske had on that place. Everything's immaculate. You could see the money, you know, every, you could see. So it's hard for me to believe that he's not fully invested in making this the best

it could be. I think that, I don't know about the million dollar chart. Like, I would need to know more about like what their purse looks like you know what what's their return on their million dollars or if you're somebody like andredi who i think owns four or five cars he's putting five million in you know when when's he see that back they get what's their purses look like um but they they i did read reports that said their tv packages garbage it's not a lot of money yeah it's it's just there's i don't know there's some just like you said this seems like it you're you're bringing to the public that don't need to be there yet but to me the biggest years that IndyCar has major relevance is when somebody goes and runs a double.

And this is a year where Kyle Larson is doing it. Nobody's done it like 10 years. I think it's been Kurt Busch like nine years since he did it. They've only ever had one driver to do it and do it well. Tony Stewart finished sixth and third in both races. So for me, man, like this is a year where they need to be pouring. And look, the ND500 is a big race. It's the biggest race of the year for a lot of people. For me, it's not, but it's certainly in my top five of must watch races. But for IndyCar, this is a year where you're going to have more eyeballs on you because of Kyle Larson, who has a massive grassroots following, who has a massive NASCAR following, who obviously has open will ties, take advantage of it. Yeah, and you see the framework of, you know, what these Netflix shows are doing. Figure out a way to just get your, like a lot of times we talk about on here, like they're running heads up with Cup.

Like, you can't do that. Spend a million bucks and do a do a show called the double and just follow Kyle Larson around. Yeah, something. I'm sure if somebody will be... I'm pretty sure that's happening. Yeah, I'm pretty sure that happened. And you look at other stuff. Like I said, I don't know the inner workings of it,

but then you see a lot of... I feel like Andredi's obviously being critical for some reason. Like there's something he wants that he's not getting. I've seen him critical about manufacturers. You know, he wants more manufacturers in this sport. Formula One. The Formula One deal probably isn't helping either. Yeah, but like I don't...

Like, I always say this about manufacturer. Like, he's wanting a complete redesign car to fit the, like, I think it's the MSA engines. in it because the different motor builder, you know, manufacturers. But like, I hate that. I hate that idea of you've got to change your series to make it. Like, your series should be inviting enough. Like, we didn't, nobody changed anything for Toyota to come in.

They didn't have to, when Toyota came into NASCAR, whatever that was, mid-90s or whatever, what, early 2000s. You didn't have to change the car to make it. Okay, you know, we got to dumb this down. So Toyota won't. No, they just wanted to be part of it. Like, I think if you just make your product attractive enough, people, people want to do it. Who was our last superstar?

Danica. Theirs? Yeah, I guess. I mean, she was a superstar. Whether you thought she could drive or not, she was a superstar. I mean, that's 20 years ago, 15 years ago? Probably, yeah. It's a long time.

You need a superstar. Yeah. I mean, like the guy and the guys they have, Will Power is probably the most outspoken one. Yeah. Well, he double birded at the tower, right? Scott Dix. Yeah. I mean, they have super talented drivers, but you just don't know who they are.

So what is obviously NASCAR, I feel like, has clear superstars in the sport, more so promoted. We don't have what we once had, but yes, you're right. Right. So in comparison, IndyCar, what do they need to do differently to increase their star power? I just put, like, so, like, I've only watched the last couple years because of Scott, McLaughlin. So, like, you just, like, follow him a little bit.

And, like, he's, I met him a couple times with Bubba. And, you know, so it's somebody that I can relate to. I know him. I'm cheering for him. But so now I know a little bit more about it. But then even at times I'm like, this guy's dominating. I forget who it was last year. Somebody who was dominating a race.

and I'm like, man, this guy must come out of nowhere. And they look, he's like the point leader. I'm like, oh, I guess he's pretty good. Like, you know, like, I never heard of the guy before. So it's like they definitely have to do a better job of just promoting their talent. I think race times. Yeah. Oh, 100%.

If you got to flip, if you're a NASCAR fan, you have to flip back and forth, you're not going to go watch Indy car. No, you're not. Yesterday wasn't bad. So when was the race yesterday? I don't even know. He was at 12. There's your problem.

You don't even know when the race was. Yeah. Who won? I do know that, New Garden. only because McLaughlin was second or third, I think. Yeah. If we asked the average NASCAR fan who won. Not a chance.

They wouldn't know. The only good thing, I'll tell you one thing they got going for them. They got old Georgia working over there now. Georgia is working there. Listen, here's the other thing they had going for them. And I said too few races. That Nashville race downtown had a ton of hype. Now it's gone.

Yeah. There's some construction going on. Oh, that's why they can't do it. With a stadium or something that's going on, but they're going to the Nashville track in Lebanon. Lebanon. It's only 40 minutes from downtown. Which is nowhere near downtown. Nashville.

Anyway, good luck to IndyCar. I'm an IndyCar fan. I'm not a hardcore fan. I do love to watch it. That race at Fontana 10, 12 years ago, is one of the best races I've ever seen in my life. Yeah. Oh, yeah, I don't want to,

I don't want them to go back to Fondana. Well, they all quit. They said they're not doing that again. It was so crazy that all the drivers said, we're not doing that again. It was too dangerous. Yeah. But if you're bored.

By the way, Fontana's gone. If you're bored, we're not running. If you're bored, YouTube, the Fontana Indiccar race, it was freaking epic. The weight is over, NASCAR fans. FanDuel, America's number one sportsbook, is officially live in North Carolina. And right now, new customers get $250 in bonus bets. Guaranteed when you bet your first five bucks.

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Baby, I love Phoenix. I love this racetrack. Hard to pass. Hey, let's change the spoiler. Hey, let's change the undercarriage of the car. Let's do everything but give the car horsepower. The teams want it. The fans want it. The owners want it. Tell the drivers want it. As Denny said, Jim Fran, get your head out of your fucking ass. And give these boys some horsepower. These cars suck without it.

DJ, I want to award you this week for not wrecking anyone. So it's a young season. I think this is the first week. You haven't been involved, so you get the A-plus medal. Vegas last week was clean. Baba, love you guys. And Brett, hope to see you in Chicago. I am actually going to Chicago.

I know, you told us. I can't wait to wear the crown. I'll be the king of Chicago for a day. Hey, listen, Denny... Did Denny say that about Jim Fras? Didn't he tell Jim Fras get his head out of his ass. Let's clarify that. Denny said that you could make a phone call right now to Doug Gates

and he could turn up the horsepower to 750 horsepower and not lose any durability. And there's a lot of conversation. I saw Gluck some of his comments last night about they're worried about saving the team's money. Fibing the team's money. Like, I'm tired of hearing that. Fans don't care how much money you save.

That's part of what, while we're in this next-gen mess anyway. You're trying to save the team's money. Yeah. And I also listen to Terry down last night. Gluck Clinic clarified that Danny was repeating stuff that Doug had just said in the media already. You know, like it wasn't like Danny's idea. Like I can call Doug Gates right now. That was something that Doug had said or somebody had one of the motor builders had said through the media.

But we had Tyler on here and Tyler was the first one to tell you that going to $750, he ain't going to do anything. He said he even said a thousand. Yeah. He may not do anything. So, you know, I get it. And listen, like, at this point, I'm just like, please just do it. Let me tell you this. Let me, y'all rebuttal this.

If we add more horsepower, you have to slow down to make the corner. When you get on the gas, you have the ability to spin the rear tires. So you amplify tireware if you add more horsepower. And you increase all throttle time, which makes handling matter more. Is that accurate, TJ? I mean, it sounds accurate. It sounds like it would be a sputter. I ain't an engineer.

It sounds like it would make sense But then you don't know All of a sudden We're going to start Where we're going to start downshifting again Now like What's the what's the gear package Are you sure

The tires are going to wear more Because I don't know if they are Like I don't know if they are Conventionally the old car Yes that would have made sense But now I don't know We just start dropping gears

And get to a lower gear And take off better You know like I'm not sold on the tire wearing more I don't know We don't ever Just because you're spinning the tire doesn't mean, they're so durable now.

I don't know if that's going to, I don't know if that's going to fix it. There's a reason why Tyler came in here and said that $750, ain't going to do anything because they've tried it out. I mean, like, they should be able to spend the tires right now. I wish, yes. They should be able to. Just do it.

Like, here's my thing. Just to shut everybody up, do it. Just do it one time. And then when it's not any better, go here. Because like Danny said, if you can do it that, and I don't know how easily you can do it, that's a question for the engine builders. but if you can literally just tune this thing up to $750 for a race,

go, you know, go to Martin. If Richmond sucks, go, you know what, here you go. Tune this some shit up to $750 for Martinsville, and we'll show you that this ain't going to work. Thank you. Please, just show me it doesn't work. That's all I think anybody really wants. I think people want more horsepower because it increases the hero factor.

It increases the fact that the average human can't drive it. I mean, I don't know. Why does it always have to be a motor? You know what I mean? To me, like, they just, if they didn't advertise, And if they said, yeah, it's $750, who's going to know? You know what I mean? I said I tweet the other day.

I said that for the first time in my life, I think that an IndyCar driver could leave IndyCar and come over here and get into a cup car and be competitive because of how wide the tire is, the amount of down force it makes, because it's easier to drive than what it has been. I mean, when you watch these in-car cameras, their hands are not wrestling the wheel as much as they once were. Do you think that's accurate? I don't watch many of our cameras, but... I'm up talking about the Indycar driver. You think the Indycar driver... Listen, Dario Frankeety, Sam Hornish, Danica, a lot of good Indycar drivers

came over here and struggled. Yeah. They got their ass kicked, to be quite frank. I would say it's definitely a more level playing field now. Is that a good thing? I think it's much easier. Is that a good thing for Cup? No.

So the problem is, the cars reader drive... I don't think it's easy. I don't think it's good either. But the competition, these guys are so good. Competition's crazy. Right now they're going to run. That's their good the competition is. Yeah, he's figuring out back there right now.

These guys are so good at positioning themselves and knowing it's chess. They're playing chess the entire race, and you hope you move your pieces in the right direction. And these guys that have been doing it know where to put their cars, when to lift, where to be at certain times, and it's huge. Oh, I did not get drunk enough to watch. Chase Elliott qualified third, and then the Toyota Floodgate. open up and they completely dominate every Hendrick Chevy on the track. I understand the caution

sucks, but I also watched Pilaretic restart directly in front of Chase on the last restart, and then fly, fly away like Jenny and Forrest Gump. Look, something's

got to happen. I know it's early in the season, and I don't want to be jumping to conclusions, but as a lifelong Elliott fan, It kind of seemed like today was the day for him to get out there and snap the necks and cash some fucking checks. Like, get after the shit. I keep telling myself, I shouldn't worry, it'll figure it out. But damn, it's time to go.

Snap necks and cash checks. I like that. I never heard that before. Is it time for him to worry? Listen, you look at – I thought Chase ran okay. I think yesterday was – you know, yesterday was kind of an outlier. They were decent. To Gluck's point, they were good enough to run on the top five when I got to the top five,

and they were good enough to run 18th when they got to 18th. Kind of like everybody else yesterday, the majority of everybody else yesterday, I should say. But, you know, you look at places like Vegas, and, you know, the 5 and the 24 are clearly outperforming the 9 and the 48. And I don't know why. Does that fair? Yeah. The 48's got to get his shit together. and I'm an Alex Bowman fan.

I enjoy watching them race. I mean, I remember being at Dover when he was running an Xfinity race years ago, running for some team I came. I remember Chris Rice was his crew chief. And I text Robbie Bent. And I text, Roby Bent Motorsports, and I text Chris Rice. And I said, man, is Alex saying he's loose? And he's like, no.

And I said, dude, he is sideways coming off a four. And he went and talked to Alex. Alex, Alex's like, no, it ain't that bad. Chris tightened him up. Got a hot ass. But that's how long I've been following Alex Bowman, because I remember that day. and since he got hurt, man, he's struggling.

And listen, he's safe. He doesn't have to go anywhere. That car is fully funded as long as Rick Hendrick wants it to be. Ally is the underwriter for financing for car dealerships. And oh, by the way, Rick Hendricks got more than one of those. The sponsorship is not going to press Rick Hendrick to make change. But he's slow. Like I said, they don't seem to be in the same ballpark as the 5 and a 24 right now, for whatever reason.

Not at all. Yeah. Hey, can somebody tell me who won the race? I just got in from outside watching the grass grow. It was more entertaining than that bull's. Listen, every fight in boxing is not Mike Tyson back in the 80s and 90s. Like, you're not going to turn every race on and it be a freaking 10 out of 10. Atlanta really screwed this all off.

I just, I hate to tell you all this, but like lower your expectations at Richmond, for example, in two weeks. Somebody's going to be really good at Richmond and really mess the race up for you. If you are three wide across our finish On Atlanta That's a Martin Truex stinking that up Go mow your grass if you want a three wide It's pretty high You know

Everybody seems to forget Well I don't even know what the margin of victory was yesterday Probably a handful of seconds Was yesterday the greatest race you ever seen Freddy Yeah it was about the best thing Clowns But I mean

You look back in the day These guys are winning Like laps You know what I mean Richard Petty was winning races by laps So I mean You're just gonna have I really think when you start the race with the Daytona 500 and Atlanta,

you're going to have two really close wild finishes. And then we get into the real tracks. And the thing that kills me is like if, you know, they threw a Haley Deegan caution with three to go yesterday. And we had a 17 wide restart into one. Probably a 25% job. Oh, wow. This race is great.

What a finish. You know, like so. Ross goes to the bottom, cleans out eight of them and wins the race. 85% rate. Everyone loves the race. I mean, that's what they want, right? I mean, if we're going to have to playoff race there,

you have to have a competition caution with five to go. Just run a five-lap race. Don't even run a full race. With the four cars. Just let us go. You just let us go to run five-lats. You got to get an advantage of the number one pit-stall. Let them use that first.

Yeah, we can put a speed comp on, too. Remember the NASCAR heat game? Mandatory pit stop. Where we can link TVs together, and you could speed comp and just automatically catch up because you were slower than the leader. Yeah, I got a question for Freddie. How do you miss a bright red car?

on the outside of Bubba. Maybe it's time to go see an optometrist. I don't know about y'all, but what did this test in November even accomplish? Watching it from home, I felt like the faster cars were still barely able to pass, especially after tires evened out. Just a swing and a miss from Goodyear. I mean, Bush was able to run 100 laps on the same set of tires. I'll meet you at the automotry, so you can see that that was an orange and red car outside me,

and you missed the two bright red ones underneath me, underneath us. But, yeah, I mean, I don't know. Like, for one, testing hurts. Testing hurts the race. Like, you know what I didn't notice this week is that extra 30 minutes of practice really made a big difference.

I'm glad you guys had more practice. It hurts to laugh, by the way. But, so you want an hour and a half practice this week? I mean, I was about three hours to see if we could make any kind of deal. difference. Jesus.

Yeah, it was testing. Like, we test there every off season, it seems like now, because of the weather. With five cars. Yeah. Or there was more there for this to test. And Christopher was there, right? Oh, yeah, Christopher was there. And he was the best one at the test.

And guess what? He was the best one yesterday by far. So he had two days of practice. Yeah, he had two days. Yeah. You guys need more testing. It's spotters mandatory. I got to check my contract.

I might be okay with testing. But, yeah. It's just, it is what it is. Like we talked about, we did it at Martinsville, now we're doing it here. Like, you test too much and you just make the box smaller. You know what I was, there was a point where me and Freddie were racing really hard. Was that the one 22 trying to drive me through the back of you? Was it?

No, no, no, it was it? It was it. It was after that. Yeah. And then I had a little bit of, uh, did you guys already forget about last year? I don't remember Bubba Fenson Brad there? Oh no, yeah, we don't care. That was last year.

I don't know if you know this. Flip your memory already. I don't know if you know this. Bubba doesn't give his shit that much. Yeah, yeah. Bubba doesn't like Brad's what he's saying. Short term memory. I don't have any run-ins.

Yeah. They don't have a day. Other than Fontana, Phoenix and the other one that you get. That's not many. That's three over three years. That's one a year. We're average one a year. Really, we are.

That one of Phoenix last year, I wanted to kill him because it was like the end of the race, right? It's funny how TJ is making these comments because Brad actually had a clean right. yesterday. No, it was fine, but I was like, oh, God. How many weeks until Talladega? How we got a long time still.

Oh, man. The morning, guys, a good evening whenever you're going to be filming this. I don't know what's going on. What is this race? Because I got high. You know, if I wanted to take a four-hour nap, I'd put my dog to sleep and lay in my bed. Don't put your dog down. Jesus.

It's ridiculous. I'm getting so fed up dealing with these races. It ain't fun anymore. Clearly. He sounds awful laid back. Maybe you need to take up a new sport, bro. Yeah.

I don't want to just call somebody. He's that guy that you're sitting in a traffic like and you're like, I smell weed. That's how much laid back pissed off guy I've ever heard. Yeah, like if I'm mad, I'm a little more madder than that. What are you? Or animated. You have the opposite.

You have the guys that cry when Blaney is. That guy ate a couple of gummies. I don't know what happened there. I don't know what people really want from this. What do they want from? What's it going to be? It's Phoenix. It's like you're talking to your girlfriend right now.

What do you want from me? I can't see. The story of the conversations means that out. Listen, I've said it on here a thousand. Do you want me to change? What do you want for me? What do you want me to wear? The best quote I ever heard about Phoenix was on this show and it was Jamie

McMurray said they had had a good race there since 1989. I mean, but what do you want? Three wide? I mean, like you said, I mean, does there need to be a green-white checker? We all wreck each other, and then it's a great race. You should just call a caution, file aps to go. You had pit strategy.

You had fast cars. You had pit stops. There was three different strategies that played out at the end there. Like, what do you want? They had a great race at Atlanta, and we all told you it wasn't that great. Now they have a shit race, and we're telling you how great it was. We are a bunch of clowns. I mean, I don't think it was the greatest race ever.

I'm sorry Christopher's wife. I don't mean that in a bad way, but... Morgan's going to be mad as me. Sorry. But, hey, we deserve to get our ass to get a guy that was that fast. I don't know. He was fast. Why do we not deserve that?

If the guy showed up and was lights out, that's credit to them. I hope I'm wrong, but I got a season prediction for you. Oh, boy. Chase Elliott ain't going to win a race, and I'd be seriously concerned with him making the playoff. I hope I'm wrong. I hope I'm wrong. He's going to make the playoff. Yeah, where is he at a ball?

And he's coat a bound. I mean, let's be honest, he's pretty dang good at road courses. Or I don't know if he's that good, but the car's definitely fast. So one or the other, both. I mean, yeah, Chase, he's got to be good. He's going to make the playoff, and he's probably going to win a race. Chase has won't enough road course race. If you had to place a bet Casey on whether or not Chase Elliott is going to win a race, would you bet yes or not?

Yes. I would bet yes. I think that, like Bowman, he's had a rough go the last year. Since he got hurt too. Since he got hurt, exactly. And I think just now he's probably trying to get his confidence back. I think they mentioned that on race day. My confidence would be shot too.

I think he makes a playoff. He's top 10 in points. I can't remember where. Four races, four winners. But he, you want to say he's going to win a race. But when he came back from injuries last year, you know what we all said? He's going to win a race. We were wrong.

And we were wrong. And he doesn't have the speed to win a race right now. whether they find it or not is another thing, but they don't have the speed to win right now. He's got two great tracks coming up. He does, yeah. And Bristol and Kota, man, if he sucks at those two, three weeks from now and we're on this show,

and that guy calls in, I may be on his side. I may say he's not going to win a race, but I think right now he wins a race, makes a playoff. There's enough races on the schedule still left before the playoffs that I can look at and be like, yeah, Chase should be faster. Now, if we go to Kota and he doesn't show signs of speed there, I'll probably be a little concerned.

Because he's like Mr. Roadcourse, right? Yep. Like, he's, yeah, he's won. I don't know how many road courses he's won now, but he's proven to me that the car is fast, and he's fast there too. I mean, you can't, I mean, he's hard. I mean, he's good at road courses.

If we ran nothing but road courses, he'd have more championships in Dale Earnhardt. He'd be, yeah, Chase has proven to me that he can be very successful on road courses. Hey, DVC, this is Dale Jr. Just wanted to call in, and talk about a few things about the race today. And hopefully tomorrow I will be able to hear my cell phone show.

I'm just kidding to St. Dale, Jr. I'm not a cool, though. Damn it, Dale. Hey, not a bad race. Question, though, is Noah Gregson legit? That's like three solid finishes in a row. or was Eric Amarola just terrible? Noah has had a very impressive...

I've been very impressed. Yeah, and not even, like, throw out Daytona and Atlanta. They don't... That's different, but we get to the harder tracks, per se, and he's impressed me. I was really impressed with him last week at Vegas because he was good in practice and he screwed up qualifying. Yeah.

And just kind of, he just didn't really screw up, just kind of underdrove it. owned it. He only screwed it up. But he dug himself out of that hole. And he didn't, like, it's very easy to see guys get stuck back there and then make mistakes trying to get it all back. Like, I got to get to the top 10 in this first stage.

You don't have to. I mean, obviously, you'd want to. But, you know, he kind of just methodically, you know, got to like the top 20, putting that first stage. Then he just kept going. And then all of a sudden at the end, he's in the top six. And you're like, holy, where did he come from? You know, like, yeah.

I mean, he was consistently top 10, I think, all race the other day. I think he ended up 12 because of strategy at the end. again, a guy that ran top 10 all day, gets stuck in 12th, and can't go anywhere. You know, it's just, but he's very impressive. Remember when Kyle Larson got suspended and he came back and he was on a mission? Absolutely. Remember what he did the next year? Championship.

He won a championship. Noah Gregson. Championship favorite. You heard you hear of here first from Greg Griffin. Noah Gregson is not going to win a championship this year. Tim's will probably put a bet on. Where's Tim's as he's still in here? But Noah is on a mission.

This guy's got to prove. the world wrong. He sucked at Legacy Motor Club. When I'd say he sucked, he sucked. He was back there running 30th every week, qualified 30th every week. The cars are for Stuart Haas are obviously better than they were last year. This guy's driving his ass off and he's proven everybody he deserves to be here because we didn't know if Noah Gregson deserved to be a Cup Series driver. Did we? I mean, there's definitely a point where we weren't sure of it. We know now. Yeah.

Do you know now? Because I know. We talked about it. Last time you were here, we talked about who's going to be the highest Stuart Huskyy, and he wasn't even mentioned. You know, I think we all picked, one of us picked the other three drivers there, and nobody mentioned Noah. And he's, he's by far outshined all of them so far this year.

Josh Barry? Struggling. Yeah, he spun out and qualified. I don't know. Where the hell do you run all day yesterday? I don't, did he wreck? I think I saw him spinning. He wrecked you qualify.

He got caught up in that He got caught up in that The 42 That's 26 That's a car That runs pretty well At Phoenix In the past

They fixed the car From qualifying too And then he got caught up In John Hunter's rocket torpedo I know it's the bar Right now for SHR Let me ask Because I didn't see it

I don't know if you guys I don't know What kind of condition You were at this point in the race But I just been on pay killers I know That's what I'm worried about

Did John Hunter just run through the back of the 22? That's kind of what it sounded like. Dude. So, man, you hear Joey lift a ton. And he said to Bob Pockris, Bob, you've got to lift to make the corner. He's kind of being an asshole Bob, which I don't appreciate because I like Bob a lot.

I don't like him attacking. Why did you just get destroyed? Why did you attack Bob? Bob just asked the question. John, he said, John Hunter said he didn't mean to hit you, and he attacked Bob. But anyway, I digress. He slowed down to make the corner, and he got, John Hunter didn't.

John Hunter. His car must have been handling a lot better than the 22 car. But that's three out of four races where Lugano is wrecked, digging yourself in a hole. We saw Denny Hamlin dig himself in a hole. Came back to win two races, made a playoff a year. But they don't have the speed right now to win. So I went back and overlaid it, and I went back. And what I did was I put Joey's car, John Hunter's car, and then John Hunter's previous

lap where he lifted. And he got in there. real deep. The lap behind Joey where he hit him, he was in quite a bit. Like the other lines... Trying to loosen him up a little bit. Yeah, the other lines like where he lifts and stuff is back here. His other one where he hits is like over here.

So it's kind of like, yeah, it's kind of hard to say that was... That's a pretty big mistake on John Hunter's part. But, you know, you run in that area. I mean, you weren't running good to begin with. And you get in that area, that's where you can get in trouble. So I don't think John Hunter meant to do it. I think he, you know, I think John Harn still has, it seems like once a race, he still has that one moment where he just tries to do something that instead of just,

instead of Noah, just be methodical, take one at a time, just chip your way out. It's like he tries to bite off too much at one time. But yeah, you put yourself in that position on a restart, and then you collect, you know, you collect two or three other cars. I don't know who all it got. I got the seven, the four. I think Zane drove it in there as well. I mean, it goes because it's had nowhere to go.

But yeah. Joey was, Joey hit, I mean, that's a pretty hard hit. It was very, very violent on the end car camera shot.

I was a little worried, I mean, that's pretty, when I saw the end car car, when you think about wrecking at Phoenix and you think about wrecking in the dog leg, you don't think it's that violent. Man,

he took two big shots. Yeah. Yeah, that's, glad he's okay. Obviously, one of the most talented guys in the field,

Joy Lugano. He was upset with John Hunter and Bob. You know what? If Brett drove a race car and got wrecked, I'll bet his first interview, he'd be so polite to the guy that was interviewed. Could you imagine Brett's interview?

Have you ever seen me not be polite? No. Yeah. Okay. Well, we have one more call left, guys. We're going to find that clip of Bob. Go ahead. I'm sorry, Jay.

Put 200 horsepower in the cars and take a transaxal and we shove it up to Steve Feltz. Casey just spit her coffee through her nose. And I'm glad I wasn't drinking anything. I got to be honest. I don't think a transaction is going to fit up anyone's ass. I hope not. I don't think I'm making fun of people's ass is funny. I never told him exactly what happened

I'm not telling them either asses and painkillers I love can form your own conclusions yesterday Christopher's prize conference did you see that with Bob where he said

he's like Bob did you pick me to win and he's like no and he's like yeah because I always lose when you pick me so he's always the one that gets the short end of the stress that's because everybody loves Bob everybody loves Bob I can't blame Joy for that right there though Especially since if you know you're listed at the same point.

The thing is he's already mad because he's running like . So then he gets wrecked over and it just compounds. It hurts when you get hit. Yeah, then you wreck hard. And then the guy says that, well, he says you backed your corner up and you know you lifted at the same spot. You're like, no? All right.

Well, be sure to send this more of your thoughts because these were really good. I just got a text. Oh, boy. Real quick from the greatest, your favorite driver, Denny Hamlin. I was going to say. And he said that, remember this. They automatically give the championship for the first pick of the pit stalls. Oh.

So you got to remember that too. So you don't have to qualify on the pole. So I just got to beat the guys. You got to beat the three guys that you're racing. Does that make you feel better, Brett? No. It just, I mean, but I mean, he won, Larson won that championship in 2021 like we talked about because it was Pitts-Tal selection.

It's a team sport, Brett. But did, do you think that... I'm just bringing up fat? The first spot is going to make a huge difference in comparison to the second? Yes. Oh, yeah. Massive.

So Camp four, it won't really matter then. Like, whoever gets that first spot is going to be... Massive advantage. If they leave the timing line, word is. First is picking first. I don't think seconds picking right behind him. No, second's picking an opening somewhere. Yeah.

Don't forget our number 704-802-9-5. 7 to save it into your phone, call us whenever you want sober, drunk, we want to hear it all. That was a great reaction theory this week. Yes. Moving on AskDBC. Another way you can get a hold of us. Use hashtag AskDBC on X to send us your thoughts. First one is from Jonathan.

What are y'all's thoughts on Homestead potentially going back to hosting the championship weekend in 2025? Should have never left. Yeah, I'm fine, but just doing Martinsville, Texas, Phoenix, Homestead, if we have to again. It was Texas Phoenix Homestead? Yeah, Martinsville, Texas, Phoenix, Homestead. I was the favorite three words in NASCAR is Texas Phoenix. It was, yes. I don't know.

You know, I definitely think it's... Listen, we could say where it shouldn't go. It shouldn't go to Pocono. No. It shouldn't go to Phoenix. Nope. With this particular package, it shouldn't go to Richmond. Nope.

Outside of that, I'd be open. pretty much anywhere else. Now listen, I'm living or dying on saying I'd be okay with it being at a road course, but it'd be better than being in a fucking Phoenix. And it's, yes, probably. I don't think so. I think our fan base would go ab-a-b about that. There's no way a road course race can be.

It should be a lottery. I don't think, obviously, obviously it's not going, it's got to be a NASCAR track. NASCAR's never giving up the final race to SMI, I don't think. Not again. Atlanta used to hold it, but you're right. So, you know, not with this one race format. But, I mean, any mile and a half, I would be 100%. Not Texas.

I'm almost bringing to Charlotte. Texas is SMI. Running to Charlotte. I don't know. I know it's a little cold at that point. I'm just saying. Charlotte's SMI, too. So, Brett, if you are selling out every race,

ratings are really great for a championship race, especially. And I'm sure ratings for yesterday's race will be pretty solid. with timing. They've been going up. Exactly. If you owned the track, would you change it? Would I change Phoenix? Yes.

If you owned it and you saw the benefit, if you were making money off of it, if you saw a profit, so if you're NASCAR, would you change it? I'd blow it up and start over. I hate it. I hate it. And miss out on all that money. You don't, you know how to miss out on any money. You just got to rebuild the race track.

It takes time to do that. Add some freaking banking. I mean, listen, leave the configuration if that's what you like, but add some banking to both ends of the thing. And I don't know. I'm not a fan of Phoenix. I'm not sure I change one and two very much. I've won at Phoenix and I still don't like Phoenix.

But yesterday's race was good. So, I mean, I know I'm being a whatever I'm being, but. You're being T.J. I'm talking myself into both directions. You are. You hate it and you love it. But I have expectations going in Casey that are realistic. I don't have an expectation that it's going to be what we saw at Atlanta or it's

going to be what we see at Bristol this weekend or that it's going to be what we see when go to the Roval, right? It's an expectation, and we exceeded my expectation. Across the board this weekend, Xfinity An Cup. I'm also a Chandler Smith fan, so. You know, going back to the worst track, I don't think it is Phoenix. I'd probably say it's probably Texas to me. Well, I almost won Texas last year, so I like Texas. Why? Why Texas? It's just narrow. You got to track this 15 lanes wide. You're running two of them. That is one and a half. That is, yeah. That is, you know, that is. That's the weirdest layout. How is it possible in 20? with all the technology that we have, that we can't take the homestead product,

whether it be asphalt, the progressive banking, the whatever you want to call it, and apply it to other places that suck like Texas. I think that the main problem is, I forget, is the layout. You know, you can't, like, you'd have to, like, blow it up. Then grandstands-wise is different because of, you'd have to blow the whole thing up because you're going from a, you know, a cookie cutter mile and a half with the, with the, There's definitely have to be a lot of construction. It would look strange because you've got them grandstands kind of built around that dog leg.

We'll try over the way we want to call it. And then you're going to go to a straight oval. I think there's a lot to that. Yeah, I think they're going to do something. Yeah, they're going to do something. It's going to be in Atlanta. Marcus Smith ain't scared to do something. No, I think it's going to be in Atlanta.

Yeah, they're going to probably try to make it like Atlanta. And two years now, we're going to be like Texas, this is what we're going to have people calling in saying this is the greatest race has ever seen. You've always better get a raise. You know what? I mean, I agree. Imagine Texas in a plant like Atlanta in hot 95 degrees. And the problem with Texas is like Atlanta is going to wear out. Texas probably it'll take a lot longer, I feel like.

Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, whatever they do, I'm sure it'll be better than what it is. Yeah, well, just, I mean, it looks ridiculous. We go in a turn one and there's 47 lanes that are right. Why? And we don't use any of them. We can.

It's too slick. Why does nobody build another short track? What are they doing in Fontana? California. Like a Bristol or something. Just where they want to go to the L.A. Dodgers Stadium to race. I'm assuming that that's going to be... I'm assuming that they're talking about a road course in the parking lot, right?

It's not like, I mean... I think it was there are discussions being had around the California area. And so they're... According to this article from Steve that there will be a race in 20 to 5. I would blow up L.A. The whole city over. Here we go. I'm kidding.

I love that way. Well, let's move on before Brett gets himself in trouble again. This next one is from Tyler, and he has a hype with other questions. I don't think you can say you'd blow up a city on air. I don't think that's... I don't mean literally blow it up. I mean, let's start over. You have just been named the Tsar of NASCAR.

What are the first three things you would do and change? And Brett, I'm afraid to ask you. TJ, let's go with you first. TJ, how do you spell czar? CZAR. You're already looked at the... paper is no way you do it's not that hard of word to spell um i definitely re-shift the championship stuff like freddie said i don't i think it's uh i'd like to see it be a combination of a handful of

races like maybe three at the most um at the end and uh i mean i definitely still try to keep evolving the the short track package to you know maybe i mean they're going to try things but I would probably try some horsepower maybe, maybe different softer tires like, hey, we need tires that fall off a second and run. If we had tires that fell off a second, I mean, that would change a lot of things. If they're falling off, guys are going to figure out how to finesse and save them, and then you're going to have comers and goers more. So I would probably work on some products like that.

My first three things I would change is add more horsepower, add more horsepower, and add more horsepower. I would change the playoff system to where it's a three race playoff. I would, I just agree with TJ. The tires have to be better. Tires have to wear out. They don't know. They don't need to be better.

They just need to be worse. They need to be worse. They need to be worse. They need to be more fall off. But just not to agree with him completely. I would, I mean, I would, I mean, obviously not ideal. But scrapped his car and somehow figure out a way to get more closer in line to what the Xfinity packages. And then the last thing

I would do is triple the spotter salary. That's a great idea. Okay. Well, let's be a little bit more realistic. Hey, I'm the czar. I can do whatever the fuck I want. That's right. You're the CZA-R. Cizor. Cizor. I'm the Oh, you can't probably. Master of Flight wants

to know. This last one is for Master of Light. Does I got his name? Does he don't meet his own segment? Master of Light. Master of Light is the fastest podcast. listener on the planet. Is it not Master O Flight? Because he, three minutes after the podcast drops,

he said it's the greatest podcast. He is a great conference. I love him. You're having a rough day. Him and Kevin. What are what speedy listens to it on? Like 32X. It's got to be,

it's not like a micro machines guy. He sounds like T.J. saying, hey, sounds like you. Consumer cellular. How about your death wrap? Do you ever do any more of that? My goat.

I can't do that today, by the way. I would be my pants if I did that right now. Ship your pants. Apparently, it's the goat on fire. Big hit. We need an album, I guess. You need an album, but... Oh, please don't.

I can't do that. We'll get Tim's to mix a new intro. Yeah, yeah. We'll pull it. What was your favorite one as a spotter and how much of an impact did it have on you to be a better spotter in future races? T.J.

Oh, man. There's a lot. I don't know if I can narrow it down. Obviously, Daytona 500. Homestead with Dell Jr. The Michigan win in that Batman car was really special that day. I think also with Dell Jr. That was, I don't know, that was just a big emotional win.

You know, there's also, there's a lot of big wins, man. I don't know. Hell every one of them's big. I know. Like you win, I mean, that Martinsville to get us into the championship final four in 2018 when nobody had us in there. And then winning the Homestead, winning there in Homestead, that's big two out of the last four races but

I don't know it can go all the way back to the Xfini days I won my first race with Brad at Bristol in the JRM stuff I mean you don't these races are hard and they're all really special I mean I made a list of all the tracks I had been fortunate enough to win that I don't I can't find it but you know

when you talk about winning I talked to Chandler yesterday and I don't know that he wants us public hopefully I get upset about it but he won the race in Phoenix without anybody there his dad wasn't there it goes to every race. His wife wasn't there. She goes to damn near every race. And he said he almost started crying at Victory Lane because he was, even though he won the race, he felt alone. Like he's in one of the biggest moments of his racing career so far. And it just goes to show you,

like to put a win in perspective, Casey is hard to do. I would probably go back to the first win I ever got as a spotter, which just so happened to be the sixth race I had ever spotted in my life. Bristol Motor Speedway 2001. We won with the Wood Brothers, and Elliot started from the backstretch, which nobody had ever won from there. He started 38th, I believe. Nobody had ever qualified that poorly in won. The Wood brothers, in their 50-year history at the time, had a gazillion wins. They had never won Bristol.

To get to Victory Lane and see Elliot with his first cup win, and to see Eddie and Lynn Wood in there, and Leonard Wood and Glenwood, and, man, just to have an opportunity to come from Pagel of South Carolina, win a cup race, With the Wood Brothers, freaking awesome. And I'll never forget that night. We went and cooked a steak, and we went to test the very next day that Martinsville, Virginia, for two days. And, I mean, to TJ's point, they're all awesome, but that was probably my favorite. You know what probably, wasn't that a fuel mileage deal, too, so it was even more. So we had a hundred.

It wasn't really a fuel mileage thing. We just had a hundred and something laps on our tires. So guys pitted for tires, and we elected not to pit, and we came out and we were running second. and Kevin Harvick was leading the race and he had a tire go down. He had to pit. We inherited the lead and we held off John Andretty.

So it was really cool. It goes from like, okay, this is going to be a really good run. Yeah. So like, holy shit. I remember that was a challenge.

Do you remember one of the video games? Remember? Yeah, it was like they would give you certain challenges and it was like, all right, you're Elliot Sadler, you're leading with a thousand last new tires

and you've got to try and hang on forever now. Jeff Gordon was coming on new tires. He finished third. It's crazy. I can't remember what happened yesterday, but I remember this. Andretty in a 43 car. So you ran one, two with a 21-43, which was awesome. And Jeff Gordano, by the way, is coming on new tires. But yeah, dude, that was pretty awesome.

For me, it's my two cup wins with Bubba. Personally, my favorite one is Talladega because I know everybody says it was rain shortened, but that was the hardest I had a spot in my life because you never knew when the checker flag was going to fall. Yeah, I'd like that one back. You're blocking your ass off for three labs instead of, you know, you don't know exactly what the last lap is. So personally for me, that was my favorite. But as a team and as somebody that's been with Bubba for 15 years now, the Kansas win just validating the fact that you can't, you know, there's no more.

It was a rain win. You never won, yada, yada, yada. He went out there and dominated that race. So that was just kind of an icing on the cake moment for us there. So it's between those two. It's so funny, though. Like, Jet Burton, we won the race at Talladega and it was rain short. And, dude, I don't discount that at all because we knew rain was coming.

we knew we had to fend off every single run that was coming from behind us. When you're at those plate tracks, it's not a secret when the rain gets there. So, I mean, if you say winning a plate race, rain shortened is a gimmee, then you're an idiot. I mean, to me it goes back to some of the lower series as well. Like, you've got some big wins with some younger guys, too. Like, you know, winning with Tyler's truck race at Daytona the first time. Things like that. You know, there's a lot of, you know, being good friends with Brad when he first moved here.

We'd always talked about the rock monster. Like, dude, we got to win that trophy. Well, we won over. And next thing I know, I get, Brad buys me the exact same trophy that he has because we'd always talk about the coolest trophies and we won it. Right, right. Yeah, and even, you know, working, some of them go back to like, uh, run some races with Regan, Ben Rhodes. I mean, my favorite year of winning, and you guys know I don't spot a lot of truck races. I never have.

and I never will again. But in this particular year, I won Rock and Ham with Casey Kane. I won multiple races in the Xfinity Series with Elliot Sadler, and then we won a race or two in the Cup Series with Clint. Like to win in all three series in the same year, it's freaking hard. Like, real freaking hard. Unless you have a Kyle Busch that you're spotting for in all three series. Then, and honestly, it was pretty freaking easy back in the day.

But it's hard to spot for multiple drivers and multiple series and get wins across the board. What an idiot. Well, that's a perfect segue into what an idiot. Who do you guys have? Oh, I mean, we got some good ones this week. Do you? I mean, there's a Hall of Fame.

There's a What an Idiot Hall of Fame this week. Are we talking dirt bikes? Yes. Okay. I mean, that was going to be. Man, she's a 10, though. It's okay. Was that of the numbers she was holding up?

Oh, man. All right, so this chick, this monster chick, monster girl, monster lady. What do you call these people these days? Sign girl. It was like sign girl or card girl. What do you call that in dirt bike race? You call it a 10 where I'm from.

But this lady goes running across a track in the middle of race. So that's a hundred. What happens is. Yeah. So what happens is... It's 100 in Pagelan, just so you know. 100. 150.

So they, I don't know, like, listen, I don't know enough about it, but I know that they don't. I know enough that you don't run in front of a dirt bike. But they, but like, you're obviously confusing because they take off and drive into turn one or whatever from a different, but then they don't use that same lane. So I don't know if that got confusing or what, but when I seen that video and she's just kind of do, do with the signboards walking out there and here they come.

Like, what do you think went through her mind when she turned her head and saw the whole field coming out? Oh, the leaders. Like here come the, oh, yeah. Yeah, that one. And then my favorite part of it, like here's why. She's too hot to be it. Here's why I'm giving her the award because her interview, she just said something like, I don't know, maybe them, I've done that before and there's no problem, but maybe them 450s go faster or something.

That's why, I mean, duh. Did you see her? I mean, I just saw the far away clip. I didn't see what she looks like. Where's that video I see, Freddie? I mean, she just gets clipped and gets knocked down. Imagine what the guys in a dirt box. No, she dove back.

Oh, she dove. That's pretty smart. One guy went to the left to go around. Yeah. look like they were going to be racing into that corner a little bit, too. You got anybody? My idiot is who ever hit the caution button

with the Deegan thing. Fortunately, unfortunately, it tore a lot of cars. Derek wrecked by himself. Can he be on that list? Derek's on that list. Derek's my one idiot.

Yeah. And it's not only with a wreck. People wreck. We just talked about it. Danny Hamilton spun out. Kyle Bush spun out. You can spin out. You can do whatever you want.

What you can't do is spin out on lap five. And then get out after the race and criticize the package and the car and everything else. Especially after you come off a good run. Yeah, you did a really, really, really good job last week. Yeah. And listen, you make a mistake. I don't, listen, it happens.

Like we said, other people spun out. People will spend out their whole lives. But you can't compound it and get out and start talking about the car. Like, that's one of those. If somebody asked you that question, be like, man, I don't know. I wrecked on that five. I really didn't get a good read for anything. You know, my car had that.

Like, I get it. It was hard. But just go ahead and keep that to yourself. 10 to 15 times harder than anybody. has ever been, is what he said, right? Yeah. I mean, like you say he can wreck lap five, and obviously he did, but for me, you can't get on the edge that early. You need to run all the laps.

You need to gain these guys trust. You need to gain these guys' respect. I like Derek Krauss. I want them to do well. You can't go out as a rookie and do that. That screws up a lot of things for you. It screws up a lot of opportunities for you, and then you double down on it to your point. you get out in your overly critical of the package.

Christopher Bell didn't say that from Victory Lane. I think he passed 150 cars. I don't think it would have mattered. We all probably could have had 750 horsepower, and he still probably will. Brett. My one idiot is the caution guy again. Who's your one or not yet, Casey?

Chad. No, he wasn't home this weekend. Casey did inform us that Millbridge fires off this weekend. Yeah. I think it's too. How many cars Chad got? going out there this year, about 40? I truly have not seen him.

Like, the race, he left for... I bet the difference. You've seen him at least the last couple months, I'd imagine. Speaking of Millbridge, the guy I saw at Millbridge when he was starting out, Quaple. A big win for him on the car store. Car store win. Yeah, I thought...

That kid's got it. We almost had a guest this week, because I told Old Butterbean, he, which this kid, if you don't follow him on Twitter, like, I don't know if you've ever seen it. I don't know what Butterbean is. Butterbean, so his name is Brendan Queen. he's you've probably seen his cars cars got a really cool paint scheme that I've seen for ever it's like a old game like a old video game kind of digitized numbers and stuff like that um but um he actually announced this week that he's going to drive a truck race for tricon and north

smokeball so i said we'll bring you on and talk about it because i've always wanted to get on here because he's he's his personality is amazing yeah um and um lamba bean butterbean butter bean yeah um so then i was like man if you win this race tomorrow you know maybe Maybe we'll roll it up into one show, but it didn't look like he had a great day. A lot of guys didn't have a great day. Man, who all missed that? Nassie and Huffman didn't even make it? Was that right?

Probably. I'm going to wait for the YouTube video. I've got a vlog. Blake's over here. He's the announcer, but it looked like a good, obviously I didn't see much of it because we were getting ready to race. But it looked, seemed like it sounded like, who was it? Brent Cruz at down. Sound like talking to Rodney last night.

Is this true? Brent Cruz was pretty much in control and missed a shift at the later race or something like that. Yeah, that's unfortunate. You talk about becoming kids, that kid's got it. That kid is real good. Yeah, he is real good. Our boy, Jesse Love, top five this week, second, second place. SVG, got a lot of love for finishing sixth, good run for him.

Yeah, he needs some racecraft still. Like you could see he kind of makes mistakes. But, I mean, he's not doing anything wrong. He just kind of gets aggressive on restart sometimes and stuff like that. but yeah he was good Hosevar Hosevar is impressive man listen

he's turning the wig up on his their race they were really bad in the race so for some reason they were dropping fast

well they had a loose wheel or something maybe that's when I saw it and then they had to put B drove back up I mean listen two top 15s in a row he was good last week

or two top 20s I don't know where he finished yesterday it might have been 16th the pressure was on he was 15th yesterday pressure's on who the All them drivers in that organization over there.

No, you know, the pressure's on Corey LaJoy. Is that what you're saying? I mean, the pressure's on over there, yes. I mean, and Carson, listen, we give him shit about stupid mistakes he makes. He's just picking up where he left off. Whatever he drove last year, he drove in the top 15, you know, or better. You know, he got into seven when Corey ran the nine, drove to the top 15 before something happened. You know, he got in the, what was he driving at the end of year?

42. He was flirting around the top 15 a lot of times there, too. So he's picking up right where he left off and he's a talented race car. still has some moments. I haven't, the one that's kind of, like, Zane, I was expecting to be a little better. I haven't really, I know he broke a toe link at Vegas early, didn't get to see much there. The first two races, I don't really count against anybody. No.

But I, you know, I didn't really notice him much yesterday. I don't know if he had a problem again. I know you said he got caught up in one of the wrecks, maybe. Yeah. But he, he, especially if Carson's running as good as he is, he needs to be at least matching that. And Corey was actually, I think Corey was going to, if he doesn't wreck at the end there, he's probably going to come out of Vegas with a low teen finish there, something like that. Vegas, like Vegas, he showed speed.

Yeah. Oh, he was vast all day. Yeah, he was up front. But then, like, he faded a little bit. I saw an interview where he kind of blamed it on Carson. He said Carson kind of squeezed him in the wall and maybe damage his car. I don't know how true that it was or not. But then, like, you talked about, like, manipulating guys from the front.

He tries to, he tries to block Brad. And I don't think you guys ever touched him, but he ends up in red. You know, like, and that's something that happens. But, but I just thought, I was. to point out that I think Carson is impressive. He's doing a very good job, yeah. Well, shout out to Brett. You won DBC picks.

Three of them? Technically, you didn't even pick the winner the last two weeks. That's even harder. One with Christopher. We are going to make picks for Bristol. Good luck to y'all. I will. Bubba's good at Bristol.

He's all right. That's a lot of confidence. I'll take Dennis. Uh, who's next? You're taking James Hamlin? James. You will. Who's next, Casey?

Me or you. What I finish? You finished? Not win. Fifth or six? Because Ross, Blaney passed Ross for the fin. Oh, you had Ross? Yeah.

I, Blaney. Um. Dang. I'd really be for his worst finish of his career at Phoenix, I think. Yeah, he got on a wreck on Saturday, but even on Saturday he wasn't. Yeah. Hot to trot. Damn.

I'll take I don't want to I've already used Bell you took Denny I can't take um I'll take I I'll take Ty

who Ty Gillian Dylan you got Ty Dylan there's only one Ty in the cups you get points for one of the truck

race I'll try I see what I can do for you I'll see what I can do for you I'll take Bisher damn it well I'm gonna have to pull T.J.

And take 30 minutes to make a pick because I didn't think any of you all were smart enough to take Chris Bisher Tyler Redick Valerie Rennock Smart of today.

Is that who sent you that pick? No. Who told you to take Chris Pistler? He did not. He did not. Who's helping you? She's lying. Who's helping you?

The Spinney racing social guys. So tell him thank you. Oh, man. Yeah, Bristol's tough. I'm going to swing for the fence and go with William Byron. I haven't picked him yet, have I? I can't read his writing on this phone. I know.

I got my magnifying glass. Can you maybe next year? You hadn't done Byron yet. Can you blow these up a little bit? Yeah. Maybe we need to do an ad for prescription lenses or something. Seriously. I can read it.

Listen to our spotter show where none of us can see. Prescription glasses and tucks medicated pads. That's the preparation H. I got to get bread a donut. That's where we're at in their life. No, that was part of this rush. Did you not sit on a donut? Oh, no.

You can't sit on a donut? I said, do not sit on a donut. You had a donut after you broke your ass last time, didn't you? Oh, he broke your ass at one time. I broke the end of my tailbone, being an idiot. I don't want to know anything else. I've been ruffled this body. So one part of it at least.

Yeah, your ass. I said I had your surgery guy. I said, this is a real pain in the ass. That's karma for you. They were trying to get details out of me last week, but I was like, I'm not. So Bristol predictions other than who's going to win? Rain. Is the weather going to be good?

I don't know. Oh, God. Please don't let it rain. I heard it was three days of rain. There is nothing better. as a race fan than walking into Bristol Motor Speedway. I don't care if the race isn't even there.

Like that place is just the coolest place. I'm excited to watch this weekend. I don't think I'm going to go up though. Christmas this weekend, you know that? What? Christmas this week. St. Patty's Day. No, actually, it looks...

Don't say anything. If it looks okay, don't say anything. Oh, rain. I see rain on TJ's phone. 60 and rain. 62 degrees on Sunday and 40% chance of rain. 40% is not bad. That place drives fast.

You guys are going to be fine. Well, we tested rain tires there, so. That would be dumb. We're good. That would be great. That'd be real dumb. If it does rain, I got Eric Jones to win. Eric Schumacher at that test.

I mean, that dude. He's wheeling it. Oh, yeah. Like, yeah. For those who will be watching in the, I guess, stadium, so to speak, and then on TV, what can we expect? Lots of passing? No, probably not. Well, the grooves are going to move.

They'll be, they'll be, yeah, I mean, there'll be some passing because guys are going to catch guys there quick. I wish there was a channel that I could turn on that would just show me on my TV, and obviously TV's gotten a lot bigger, the entire racetrack. Like just an aerial view of the entire racetrack. You could spot, you could see it, the whole track from the spotter's time. But that's all, like, because there's always action and always racing somewhere to be found. Somebody is always up somebody's at some point, every single lad. Like, it doesn't matter. matter. To your point, like some of the bigger, you know, some of the major sporting events have like an alternate channel that is, you know, sometimes it's betting related. Sometimes it's just, you know, analytical related of, or, you know, like a manning cat or whatever. But it's like a different camera view, different, you know, there's different stuff on the screen. And maybe that's something that we need to, you know, especially maybe with the Amazon deal for next year or something like that, like we're streaming. I've taught Ardy Kimner a couple weeks ago. We were talking about different things within the TV world. And, and I said to him,

I watch the race as a spotter. So you're never going to give me all the camera angles that I want because I'm consuming differently than a normal fan would consume. So if I could see the entire track, and we can't do this everywhere, but at Bristol you could do it on a 70-80-inch TV, it'd be freaking phenomenal. You know, what we didn't mention last week, because you are here, and I just completely slipped my mind.

What's your opinion on old Dale Jr.? Dale Jr.? Well, I gave him what an idiot for them not resigning him. I'm excited to hear that he's looking at coming back and doing the summer races. I think it's a big loss for the sport that he's not in the booth. I think it's a big loss to NBC that he's not in the booth. I think Jeff Burton and Steve LaTart will do a fine job, but Dale Jr. just brings a different level of excitement and a different level of research.

And, I mean, I think we even talked about it on here. I mean, Dale Jr. doesn't have to go back and watch old YouTube races. He doesn't have to go back and go through old photos. I can tell you Brett Griffin has never done that. time and watch an entire race from win every year. Doesn't matter if I won the race or finished last. So for him to invest and be willing to invest as much time as he does into being a part of the sport these days, it's-

Dude, it's very frustrating. I was in Jersey for the Turkey Derby. A friend of mine, Kevin Ayers, was a spotter up there. He came to me and said, this guy, a photographer from up here passed away recently, his family has all these photos. They think that Dale might be interested in them. So I'm like, what are they? He's like, oh, they're like mid-90s, early 2000s, Dover, and maybe Loudoun or something like that.

I was like, well, what do you got? So he shows me, and it's a tub, a giant plastic tub full of pictures. So I'm like, you know what? I'll take him. I'll see if they'll want. I'm like, man, he's not going to want these. You know, I'm looking. I'm like, what this guy?

He got this kind of time in the day, whatever. So I text him. I was like, hey, I got a tub full of pictures. Like, I don't know what you're like, do you want me to just go through him and see? And he's like, drop him off. Drop him off at the studio. I gave him to Stephen and Stephen gave him to Dale and Dale, he said, man, he went through them, he went through all them pictures and found a, you know, it's like a small stack that he really

liked that he wanted to keep and hang on to you, but like, to your point, like, he just loves the sport. Like, that's, he just wants to see stuff like that. It's a shame. I know T.J. knows way more than we obviously know. But it's just a shame at NBC and him couldn't come to terms. Yeah, it's going to be different. What were the contract details, CJ, do you know? Bad. Bad. Bad. I don't know.

Not good. Obviously not good. Apparently not good. Not good enough. Yeah. But, yeah, I think it'll work out for him. Would you truck race for a check? No.

It's going to be huge. That's what. We're talking big. We're talking more than you made to do Cups. Don't tell Joel that. He finally missed one. Did he? Yeah, he finally missed the race this week.

He finally retired? Yeah. I told him he's coming on after. or whatever his next cup race is maybe Kansas. See officially in retirement now? No, no, no, no. He'll be back. He's coming back next week or something, probably.

So is he truck racing full time? No, not full time. No, just when he can't. Yeah, I think it's Connor Jones and it's probably a handful more. I don't know. I'm looking forward to getting back on Spotter stand. I may need you guys to tell me the rules. What the hell is that? Can you say?

I don't even know. I can't say. Yeah, whatever. It's soon. I've got to be honest. I haven't missed you at all. No? No.

Well, when you said that Twin Peaks picture, I actually missed you. You're going to try to get your spot back? You're walking back to get your old change thing you got going on. Oh, yeah, I forgot about that. He's getting his old change today. You're going to try to get all your old spots back when you come up? Yeah, I'm getting my old spots back. What do you mean?

You should be like at the end. I'm thinking about it. Brett took a year off and came back and kicked everybody out of his. Like everybody's the year that the year that Brett was gone. You're like, all right, well, I can take Brett spot because Brett's not here. The next year, Brett came back and kicked that guy. Like pulling people's tape up. Like, just kick him right out.

I hear for 20 years. I said, well, technically, you took a year off. I'm sure everyone misses me. It don't matter if I took a year off. I don't matter. Grandfathered in. That's right. I'm the oldest guy up there.

I don't know. I'm not the oldest guy. I was going to say it. No. Before we go, we probably, I think it was Pam and the Ops team at Phoenix, though, for all the food and stuff. Listen, like I said, whatever we talk about the package on track, they treat the spotters better than anywhere else we go. Except for Chicago. Spotter Julie takes care of us in Chicago.

I can't wait to go there. That facility is super nice. Yeah, I mean, everything about it is great, except for one small detail. Working there, activating there. They do a... The black part. They do a great job. All right, moving on.

Well, thank y'all so much for listening. Brett, as much as I hate to say it, we are glad you're back. Thank you. It's good to be back. Glad you're feeling better. I'm glad I didn't have to sit next to you from what I understood your procedure was. And have your week. We'll be back.

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