Door Bumper Clear - 323 | The Lost Art of Road Course Racing

Episode Date: March 25, 2024

Connor Zilisch joins Brett Griffin, Freddie Kraft, TJ Majors and Casey Boat on Door Bumper Clear to recap his race at COTA. The hosts discuss whether COTA provides good racing, the number of track-limit penalties, and the on- and off-track incidents. Why are track limits so difficult for NASCAR to consistently enforce? What's the solution? Also, with William Byron being our first repeat winner of 2024, does that cement him as a NASCAR Cup Series championship favorite? Another hot topic was Chase Elliott's comments about participating in the next NASCAR Netflix show. Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! FanDuel Disclaimer: 21+ and present in NC. First online real money wager only. $10 Deposit req. Bonus issued as non-withdrawable bonus bets that expire 7 days after receipt. Restrictions apply. See full terms at fanduel.com/sportsbook. Gambling problem? Call 877-718-5543 or visit morethanagame.nc.gov. Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

The following is a production of Dirtymoe Media. Still good. By one. So number drive, man. It will come to you. Fall asleep on the eight outback. Team cover in top here. You come in a top of your two-cum.

Bottle three. Boutle three-wise. Go, go, go, go, go. Door. Bumper, clear. Still there. Hey, everybody. I'm T.J. Major.

Sputter of the Sixth Cup car, the 41 truck, and I was part-time on the Jesse Love Machine this weekend. Oh. The Love Machine. That's awesome. Brett Griffin. Spotter Richard Childers Racing. and I'm going to kick it to my buddy who wrecked on the first corner out of 5,000 corners to be made yesterday.

No, I wouldn't a first corner. It was the 11th corner. It was the first lap. It was the 11th corner. Wasn't my section. I can't play. I take no blame. Who was it? Who was it? Freddie Graff. Spotter for Bubba Wallace. Ty Dillon this weekend. What's up, Casey? Hey, guys. Casey Boat here. And again, to our special guests, remember, don't listen to anything these guys say. Anyways, who do we have on the show today? Yeah, so back in February or January, I guess it was.

I mentioned we were probably going to get this kid on the show at some point this year because he went out. He's a fucking kid. I don't know if Casey, can you see him? He's 10 years old. So far this year, he has won the Rolex 24. He has won the 12 hours of Sebring. He's got multiple, or he's got at least one cars to him when I know of.

And he still hasn't slowed down for turn one at coach. That's what I was going to say. What's up, Connor? I'm Connor Zillish. Yeah, no, turn one at Cota is not my favorite. But it was a long day. I'll say that much. Connor Zillich.

Where is that name from? Russia? I think it's German, but I honestly don't know. My great grandfather was adopted, so I don't know the whole family. Did you say Moresville? Yeah. The name is not from Moreswell. It did not start at Morsville, most of the time.

So speaking of that, you know, you popped up in my radar, I think last Last year you were in the Rackley Cars Tour. You won a car store race for Rackley guys. But where do you, first of all, where do you come from? And what got you in a race? Yeah, no, I grew up in South Charlotte, actually. I'm one of the few that, you know, born and raised in Charlotte and, you know, have been here my whole life.

So I grew up racing, you know, asphalt go-carts on road courses and was never really a big, you know, NASCAR guy. I was never really into it that much. I race go-carts in Europe throughout, throughout my early years when I was 10, 11, 12 years old. And, you know, I honestly wanted to go race F1, but it was unrealistic and not possible. So I met Kevin Harvick back in 2021 or 2020. I was teammates with Keelan on a go-kart team here in America. And, you know, that's kind of how I got introduced to the NASCAR world. And, you know, I got my first stock car race when I was 15 in 2022. And ever since then, I've kind of been chasing this

dream of race in NASCAR. Yeah, you take a really interesting development path now, compared to what some other guys have. And then I see, so you're running Trans Am, TTA2 cars a lot, which really competitive. We've got wins in that series. Then you're running some plate model stuff, ARCA East, Arkansas, you know, National Series stuff. And then obviously trucks and Exfinity this year will get to that. But, you know, that's a path. We see some other guys.

And I think Brent Cruz is doing that a little bit. I've seen Jades kind of jumping in some of that TA2 stuff. Who leads you down that path of, you know, maybe not the traditional path to where most of these guys come from? Yeah, no, I mean, I've grown up and I've always kind of took the mindset of I want to race whatever I can get in. And, you know, that's kind of the way I've looked at it, you know, ever since I was, you know, 12 years old that, you know, I basically got to take every opportunity I can get. And, you know, I feel like I can be competitive in anything I get. And, you know, guys like Kyle Larson who do the same thing, right, race sprint cars during the week and then go

win on Sundays. You know, that's the kind of guy I want to be. And, you know, I want to be able to, you know, get in any car and be competitive. So, yeah, when Kevin Harvick got me my first race in Trans Am, you know, he helped put it together with Nitro Motorsports. and I qualified on the pole by, I think, 8-10s, and, you know, it was leading the race until an injector failed. But that kind of got my foot in the door, and, you know, I got a full-time ride the next year because of that. And, you know, ever since then, I've started doing late model stuff with Chevrolet.

I actually met Josh Wise. Kyle Larson, he was running a go-kart race, a big go-kart race, I think Roval weekend one year. And, you know, that's kind of where I met Josh Wise and everyone at Chevrolet and made that connection. And, you know, we went out to Famous Toast that week. and, you know, Josh, I guess he saw something in me. And, you know, ever since then, I've worked with him, and he's been a big help and, you know, kind of pushing me in the right direction.

So do you go to school? I'm a senior in high school, but I do online school. So, I mean, I say I'd go to school, but I wouldn't really say I'm getting an A plus education. Yeah. You're going to school in college already, basically. TJ, what were you doing at 17? I was in school still. Brett, what were you doing at 17?

I'm not telling you. So yesterday, I noticed, we talked about two weeks ago, coming out of the short-trap Bristol race, it was like, in order to run top three, you had to be 40-plus years old. You know, I'm an old-class-car guy. I'm an old-like you. I grew up from four years old until now. Just absolutely loving as much NASCAR as I could get.

Yesterday, the top three were all under 30 years old. Gibbs 21, third, bell, 29, second. Byron obviously won a race. Why are these young guys, including you, so much better at road racing now than what you used to be? You won, I think it's, I mean, it's newer, right? You know, NASCAR didn't race on as many road courses as back in the day, so guys didn't focus on it as much. And, you know, I feel like these guys coming up and, you know, guys younger have kind of come to the realization that you've got to be a good road racer if you want to race if you want a racing cup. And, you know, William Byron, he puts a lot of work in, you know, he works with Max Pappas and, you know, goes to the go-kart track quite a lot.

often honestly and you know these these guys that are coming up know they have to be good at it so I feel like they put in the extra effort and for me I'm kind of it's all I know and you know the oval stuff's going to be the thing that I have to get good at so it's a bit different for me but you know it's it's still kind of the same concept for those guys we watch the romfellos of the world the bars heads of the world going way back come in and man I remember them absolutely getting their asses kicked when we got to oval struggling I remember bar said just being happy he qualified somewhere might have been Michigan or somewhere. So what is the biggest difference for you going from the road racing? Because I know you're constantly looking ahead. You're worried about the apex of the corner. You're setting yourself up for

the next corner. What makes Oval so much different? I feel like the short track stuff isn't going to be too difficult for me to get used to. I think it's going to be the bigger tracks. You know, just getting used to the car kind of being yawed out, honestly. You know, that's kind of one thing with road racing that you don't really feel. You know, you're always kind of going slower and you're not really going through a corner at, you know, 150, 160. So, you know, I think that's, that's the biggest thing, right? That's the guys that I've talked to, like, you know, I've talked to SVG about it. And he just said, like, when he went to Vegas, it was so weird how, you know, you feel like you're about to wreck, but really it's just how the car drives. So, you know, I haven't personally been out there to feel it yet.

I'm not old enough to go race on those tracks. But, you know, based off what I've heard, I think that's going to be the biggest thing. So I have to apologize because I think I might have jinxed you on Saturday because your weekend was going phenomenally right up until I said, hey, you want to do DBC Monday? And you're like, yeah. And then they dropped the green flag in that truck race and everything in Conner's life went right to shit to break down your race on the truck. So let's start with the truck race because it didn't get much better that night. But let's start with the truck race. Had that go. Yeah, no, I went to turn one and, you know, I first off, I thought you were coming to see me. I thought like you saw me up there right behind you and you were just going to, you were just going to,

I want to come say hi. I had that much confidence in myself. No, I, I, I, first of all, I, the restart zone, right? It was moved way back. And, you know, everything that I had kind of looked at and studied was the restart zone being further forward. And, you know, I got on it early. I got a good jump, but, you know, Taylor, Taylor stayed right there with me. And, you know, I was coming down the front straightaway and I started moving left.

And Tyler Green was spotting for me. And he's like, stay in line, stay in line. And I didn't realize, like, I was like, can we move out? Like, can I block before the start finish line? So, you know, Taylor Gray got underneath me, and, you know, I kind of lost all my references, and, you know, I was out looking in my mirror and, you know, just rookie mistake, honestly. But, you know, I locked up, went straight off in turn one, and then that caused me to cut a tire there, flat spotted so bad, the left front cut. And then after that, it was just an absolute mess. I mean, I was coming through the field.

I got dumped by Ancrum, and, you know, I got two cutting the course penalties, so I had two drive-through penalties. and cheater. I know. I know. And then I was passing Majeski for second. We dored each other, and that started, my tire was going down for the last, I don't know, that was the start of stage three, I think, and, you know, my tire was going down, and then they all got back by me.

So then when the caution came out at the end, I was, I think I was running forth, and, you know, they told me to pit, and I was going to be the first car coming down pit road. I was like, man, why are we pitting? And they took the tire off the right, the right rear it was, and it was, like, completely corded. So probably a good thing, because it probably would. wouldn't have made it to the end, considering we had two overtime finishes.

And, yeah, it was a mess. That was my first truck race and my first NASCAR race. And, you know, those guys get after it. You know, I've, I've raced in some competitive series before. But, you know, I got my fair share of the action. I got dumped. So, you know, I got the NASCAR experience. And the thing that killed me was you could, I was keeping an eye on them

because I just, we literally just talked about them coming on the podcast. And I'm like, if this son runs 30th, the rest of the day, we're not. I'm calling them. Listen, in a group chat, we'd already kicked you off the show. Sorry, I had the wrong number earlier. I don't know who this. So I got, like, watching you in practice, did anything about the truck surprise you about how it drove? Because in turn 12, I mean, there was probably three or four times where you came in there

and I could hear a wheel hopping like crazy. Yeah, no, that was the biggest thing, right? The cars that I drive, the T-A-2 car is like 2,800 pounds, and, you know, it's independent for suspension, so it's a lot different. The ARCA car was kind of similar, but I didn't really. have any issues with the wheel hop at Watkins Glen. So that was one thing that I had to get used to to. And one thing, that's probably why I, like, four times I wheel hopped and blew the corner into 12. But, yeah, once I got used to it, it was fine. I did it a few times in the race, but most of it was

just me getting used to it. But yeah, it drove different. I mean, like, when you're exiting the corner and the inside front tires off the ground, that's one thing I've never felt before. So definitely some things that were new, but, you know, at the end of the day, it was just another race. I think it's easier, though. I would rather see you go in there and wheel hop because then you know where the limit is. You know, you're finding the limit early in practice rather than find that in the race. So it's easier to, it's easier from, you know, a spotter standpoint when you're going to say, hey, back your corner up rather than it is, hey, you need to drive in deeper because that usually doesn't work out very well when you have to tell the guy of that. I love to see a stat

of how many trucks you pass because these, these issues, these issues weren't like he got the 20th and spun out or like it was like drive back to the top five issue. All right, I'm going back here again. Drive back to the top 10. Yeah. Problem. Whatever it was, it was. It was always. It was It was always, I mean, how many trucks do you guess you passed? I think I passed Stewart Freezing four times. Like, I feel like I saw that truck at least four times on Saturday. You don't got any blue paint? I didn't.

No, we didn't. I didn't upset him, thankfully. Did you get to dump anybody? Did you wreck anybody? No, I don't think I wrecked anybody. That you want to take place for? I think the worst, I saw some guys complaining about how I adored Majeski, but it wasn't even that bad.

He was in the way, and it was the last stage, and Corey was driving away from us. I was like, man, I got to go, but I guess I messed it up because I cut a tire trying to Yeah, I was actually surprised. The rub was really bad right. And it was weird. It was like, it was certain areas. Like it was like maybe uphill or something like that because like in the 19, it was really bad.

I was like, oh, he's probably got a pill. Then it like it went away. You come down in a front judge. In the one, it was really bad again. I was like, yeah, he's probably screwed. But then like I saw you back there and it seemed okay. But yeah, it's one thing. When a spotter says, hey, you got a tire rub.

And then when they say it's not smoking anymore. that's usually either it's either a good thing or a really bad thing because it's going to know it it way real quick it's going to clearance itself you bring up you bring up a really good point there's not a lot of teenagers in other sports that are coming up through the ranks that have access to talk to you know michael jordan lebron james whoever that might be but you're literally growing up around all these guys and the guy like kevin harvick is helping you mold your career you just mentioned SVG is it intimidating at all when you strap in and you're now racing against some of those guys like the Matt Craftens of the world or not coming up a NASCAR fan. You don't even know who they are.

No, I mean, I know who these guys are. I don't want to say I wasn't an NASCAR fan growing up. I just wasn't super big into it. But I mean, it's, it's, I don't really get star struck. I mean, it's definitely a little bit intimidating, you know, just how young I am, right? I, you know, kind of grew up, I didn't, I don't want to say grew up watching these guys, but, you know, I've seen them before. And, you know, I, you know, it's, it's definitely pressure. And, you know, I'm so young. and I don't feel like I have a lot to prove, right? I've got a long-term contract with, you know, a cup team. And, you know, I feel like I am in a solid spot, right?

And, you know, they don't put too much pressure on me to perform. So, you know, I don't want to say I'm in a high-pressure environment, but, you know, I'm still trying to make a name for myself and, you know, prove myself. So, you know, when you're racing against these guys that have been doing it for, you know, 10, 15 plus years, it ain't going to be easy. But, you know, I've got a really good group of people around me that, you know, help make it easier on me.

But at the end of the day, we're all racing to win. So, you know, it's definitely not going to be easy. All right, I'm going to get you in trouble. Oh, God. You ready? So I b-b-cheed all weekend. I don't even know if I could say that. Would you sit here beside me, 17 years old?

I complained all weekend about track limits, and I understand why they exist. But I'm going to ask you a point-blank question. As a driver, let me rephrase. Let me back up. As a fan, when I'm sitting there watching this thing on TV play out, and I watch you completely blow a corner with no penalty. And then three corners later, I watch you stay on the racetrack versus not being in the dirt and they penalize you.

Why and how is it possible for us to make these rules enforceable but understandable? It's so hard, right? You know, every time that I've raced at Coda before, we've had the turtles. So, like, if you miss the S's, there's consequences, right? You're blowing the nose off the thing. So, you know, it's, I don't like how they just take the turtles away and leave it up to the, you know, NASCAR people to decide if you cut it or not. Because, you know, there was multiple times I was behind guys. I was like, that guy just cut the shit out of that.

Like, I'm like, you're just going to let that slide. But I got two drive-thrus. And, I mean, like, I didn't feel like I was doing it that egregiously. But I just don't like how it's how it's at NASCAR's discretion. I feel like if you put the turtles out there, it leaves us no choice but to go around them, right? You can't drive over those things. So, I mean, F1 does it when they go there, right? So, you know, I don't know.

I think that'd be the best way to. So I'm right, is what you're saying. I mean, I don't want to, I don't, I just, I feel like it's such a judgment. I just, I feel like it, I know. I feel like it's just such a judgment call, though. It's tough to, I mean. We've had turtles before and badly, but yeah. I think they need to get more in line.

You talk about Formula One. Like Formula One has different rules for that. You know, it shouldn't be just cutting dry. You missed it by three inches. is we're black flagging you. You know, Formula One has warnings. They have, you know, now you can't just, you can't just solely rely on warnings because if you don't have a warning all day, then you can just drive through there on the last one.

So they have, like, if you do it really egregiously, then they just say, all right, you have to get that spot back or, or you got a time penalty or whatever. So you're okay with invisible? I'm okay with, it's visible. It's a visible line. If you're on the right side of those rumble strips, that's a penalty. The problem is, though, Freddie, you're right. It is visible, but there's no visible out of bounds.

for a fan this watching. And also, it's not enforced in every corner. It's pick and choose. So this was in a disaster last week, and I'm sure you probably went through it yourself. Up until Wednesday, I think it was. Or no, I'm sorry. Starting Wednesday.

I was walking the track and we're going through the S's. You know, we have the idea that, you know, we are not allowed to cut anywhere. And halfway through the track walk, we get an email from NASCAR. It's like, all right, we've decided that we're just doing the S's now. So last year, last year it was just the S's. Yeses. Wednesday of this week, they sent out and messages to the drivers, you can't cut any corners.

So Wednesday, Thursday, these guys are spending, God knows how many hours in the Sim trying to relearn how to race the racetrack. Yeah, I mean, you're essentially, it's a different racetrack. So then we get to the track on, I think we landed on Friday. And it's probably, and then you're like, we actually don't have the capability to do that everywhere. So we're just going back to. So now you got all these guys that are prepared to run the way, one way. Then they change. We're prepared to run it again another way. And then it changed a third time to go back to. the first way. But yeah, I'm okay with, like, it's, I obviously hated it. Saturday was all day. It was 47 penalties, and I was only there for one of the races, and it was enough for me. So I can't imagine what the second one was, but yeah, it was a lot. So, Connor, I mean, I would say,

I would ask you this question, but I guess you were part of it, but how vocal were teams to the drivers about, like, you know, they're being, they're basically penalizing everybody, because I feel that there was a little bit of inconsistency around some of the drivers, not to get myself in trouble, of having penalties compared to just money to go. Were they inconsistent around who they were penalizing? I don't think so. I mean, I wasn't around everybody, so I don't really know. But, you know, I know that every single time I went through turn two and I was about to enter the S

as Tyler, you know, would come on the radio. All right, bud, keep it on the track. I was like, all right, come on. And I still got two drafters. And it seemed, and I don't know when you got yours, but it seemed to me, like watching the Xfinity race, majority of the time you got one is because you were following somebody in there. Oh, 100%. Yeah, I mean, you can't see the ground right in front of you when you got a car right in front of you.

So it's super difficult, and you're kind of just judging off where they are. And, you know, that's kind of when I got to the point. I was so fast to the S's. I would literally just make sure I was half a car outside of the car in front of me, just so I know I didn't cut it. after I got the second one, I was like, I am not getting another drive-thru today. So what's your next NASCAR race? I think it'll be later in the year.

I have three truck races announced right now. We're working on getting more with Spire. And then I have Watkins Glen. I think Watkins Glen right now is my first one that I have for sure in the Xfinity car. And Brian Patty was your crew chief? Yeah, Pat. Dude, how awesome is he? He's a good dude, man.

He, you know, I don't know what he expected going into the weekend. I feel like I was pretty confident, but I think he was excited, right? He enjoys road racing, right? He worked with Montoya and fellows and a lot of those guys that were good at it. So he enjoys- He even helped Clint Boyer when a road race. That's how good Brian Patty is. Exactly.

So, you know, he definitely enjoyed working with me, and, you know, I feel like we got along really well. So we got a few more races later this year, and, you know, I'm excited to work with him. You know, he's definitely one of the guys, one of the smarter guys I've worked with. You should try to hook him to your help and take him with you everywhere. you go. Having worked with Brian Patty, he makes everybody's cargo fast. It doesn't matter what he's doing. I want to shift gears for a second. Social media. You and Jesse Love are going at it last night and make a fun of each other, which I thought was hilarious. It's such a big part of your career now 15, 20 years ago. Nobody even knew what it was, right? But now, like, you have to have the followers.

You have to have the engagement. You have to have a platform to market yourself and also your partners. How do you balance that, man? How do you have fun with it but not get in trouble with it? Yeah, that's one thing that I've realized has, you know, gotten to be very important. And, you know, one thing that I've started to try and take more seriously, but you can't take it too seriously, right? Like, whenever people ask me, like, oh, do you like, why don't you have anybody run your social media? It's like, you can tell when somebody has someone run their social media.

And it's just like the engagement goes down and, you know, it's just not good. So that's one thing, you know, until I'm like to the point where I don't have time to manage it, I'm going to do my own stuff and, you know, keep. Keep it personal. But, you know, I feel like it's become very important. And, you know, it's tough on Twitter, right? You can get yourself into some sticky situations if you really wanted to. But, you know, like, Jesse and I, we were with each other last night when we were tweeting that stuff. And he's like, we're sitting on the couch. And he's like, just go look what I responded to first tweet. And I was like, oh, you're starting that. Huh? I was like, okay, well, watch this. And I was like, here, how do you like that one? One of my favorite social media moments of the year so far is Jesse tweets out, was it Daytona? I guess it was Daytona, right? It rained out. He said something about how long he's been on the poll.

Oh, yeah. And then so me and Brett text, I texted it. I'm like, man. And it was like five minutes after he posted it. And he's dying. He's laughing. He's like, oh, man, that don't sound good. So I was like, yeah.

And then like an hour later, it blows up. And he's like, yo, am I going to get in trouble? We're like, no, you didn't do anything wrong. That was hilarious. He went from laughing about it to like an hour later he's like, oh, shit. Did I, like, am I going to, did I do something wrong? We're like, no, you're fine. You didn't, I said, let everybody else take it out of context.

You didn't do anything wrong. Listen, I mean, we've never been in any sticky situations because of social media. Speaking of social media, though, obviously you have a development deal with Trackhouse, and they are one of the best teams. He just said a long term. A long term. Well, whatever. Long enough.

Long enough. I'm happy. I'm happy. Multi year. Multi year. But, I mean, they are obviously one of the more engaging teams in our sport. What's it like Justin and Ty in them guys? Yeah, it's been really cool. You know, I honestly didn't expect for them to cover me as much as they do, right? They post me almost every time I win a race or, you know, qualifying the pole and, you know, they got guys that come to my races. Yeah, no, it's, it's been really cool to be a part of what, you know, Justin and Ty are building over there. And, you know, it's, it's cool to see what they're doing behind the scenes as well, right? the deals that they're signing with sponsors, you know, it's, it's a tough time right now for a lot of teams. But, you know, I feel like they're thriving and, you know, that's, it's really cool to be a part of. But yeah, I mean, they do such a good job, keeping it modern and, you know, doing, doing the right things on social media to, you know, help grow their brand. And, you know, it's, it's honestly, you know, probably the best place for me to be. And, you know, I feel like I fit in really well with everything that they're doing. So I know we talked about Xfinity and truck races.

I know your schedule is way more full than Xveni truck races. Where can people come see your race at? Yeah, I've got a bunch of, I'm doing a whole ARCA East season. I've got four national races with Pinnacle lined up. So I got 12 total ARCA races, and then I'm also running 10 cars to a race, eight to 10 cars to a races with Pinnacle as well. They got a new crew chief over there from Chad Bryant, Connor Halls, old crew chiefs. So I feel like we've got a really good shot at winning some races in late mall stock.

I struggled last year. But yeah, I'm doing the cars to a races. and then I've got the EMSA races I'm doing. I got three more of the endurance stuff. So that's going to keep me busy. Those races are. The 24-hour race was so cool. I mean, that was just the most, I don't know, different, I mean, experience.

You know, staying awake for 24 hours for a race. So you didn't nap any? I slept from 11 p.m. to 12 a.m. That was it. One hour. I slept one hour. Who were your teammates again? Christian Rasmussen.

He's an IndyCar driver. Ryan D. he's a veteran in sport cars and then in the class I'm in every team has to have what's called a bronze driver which is a gentleman driver right they usually fund most of the program mine was Dwight Merriman so you know there's there's a lot minimum drive time minimum minimum by a minute over minimum drive time yeah how many hours did you run uh I was 18 six I was like six and a half um the rest of us yeah me Ryan and Christian split about six and a half I finished the race at Sebring, so usually the fastest or, you know, most experience will finish the race.

And, you know, that was really cool. That's what kind of separated Sebring and Daytona for me was, you know, Daytona Christian finished. He was, he's a badass. I mean, he's really, really good. So it was cool to learn from him and be his teammate. And then at Sebring, I finished the race. And that made it special when in that one. And, you know, I was going against guys that have raced an F1 and Indy car.

And, you know, wow. Yeah, that car is just so. opposite. I'm mad at Kyle Busch right now because he is the reason that Connor can't race NASCAR. Kyle Busch came in and they were like, whoa, whoa, we got to sew this phenom down and Kyle Busch is and was a phenom. And they were like, we got to make a rule on how old you got to be to run races. And that's why. That's because at 17, man, I can see you're mature enough. Obviously, you're fast enough. Like, you're ready. Yeah, that's one thing. Like, do you guys think, I mean, I don't want it to change now because I've already been heard enough by it. If it changes now, all it's going to do is help the kids coming up behind me.

But what's, I mean, is there any chance of that going away age? I doubt it. I think that they should adopt a rule kind of like similar to the Chili Bowl. Right. Like it's a case-by-case basis. You know, like obviously, I'd rather race with you than half the 35-year-olds that are out there right now. You know what I mean? Especially the truck series.

You know, it's so, you know, there should go into a, you know, look at this kid's resume. Look at what he's done. He's been on ovals before. or, you know, he's more than capable of more than probably half the field already. You know, it should be related. But then the problem is, like the chili bowl, you know, all of a sudden they dropped the age limit and you're going to have 400 requests for 10-year-olds, and that's, you've got to be able to weed them out, you know,

by the kids that are ready versus the kids that aren't, I think. Freddie preaches consistency. Now he wants everything to be open. No, I just said I don't want to be open. It's crazy, though, because they, I think they just changed the age for legends to 10 last year, I think. Yeah. Right. So, you know, Keelan was coming up and Kevin wanted him to race Legends, but the age, I think, was 13 or 14, which seems kind of realistic.

But I think it's either 10 or 12 now, right? And you've got these kids that are 10 years old racing legends, and you can't get an ex-finity car until you're 18. So how do you fill eight years with late models and ARCA? That's why I'm mad at Kyle Busch. That's what I'm telling you. But there's not many, I mean, there's not many prospects that come along that are probably able to probably. probably do that. You know what I mean? Like there's, there's a few. There's probably maybe two of, yeah, I was going to, maybe a couple, maybe not even that year of that,

but there's like, you can handpick them out on one end probably that these kids. Hey, this kid's probably good enough to be moving up a little bit. But if you hit the accolades, i.e. win the 24 hours of Daytona. You win Sebring, which by the way is a big deal. I mean, we almost go faster in the cup cars at Daytona in that thing. I just don't know how, like, you got people that are going to say, well, my, you know, my son. or whatever. They started this race because honestly it's not really hard to get into a car. I mean,

it's pretty easy to get into a car Daytona, isn't it? Yeah. You could buy your way into it pretty easily. And that's another thing. But you can't buy your way to make it. You can't win. Yes. 100%.

You don't want to put it in a judge. You don't want it to be a judgment call at the same point though. So it's like it's going to be, it would be so tough to, you know, make it off a resume. Yeah. So when do you turn 18? July 22nd. And you have quite a few races lined up with junior sports after that. Yeah, four.

Yeah, you have Walkins Glen, Kansas, Miami, and Phoenix. So, I mean, you're pretty much... Oh, you're running Homestead. Yeah, I'm in for a treat on. Oh, yeah. So he turns 18 soon, and I guarantee we'll be seeing him quite a bit. I'm doing the truck race before it, but still, yeah, that's going to be... We definitely appreciate you stopping by, and I'm going to close out with this.

As good as Brian Patty was and really smart to work with, we're going to go ahead and apologize on behalf of the spotter you're going to have an 88 car moving forward. forward. Did TJ? Yeah. Oh, you're going to tell him to shut. You're going to tell him to shut up for sure. Because he's going to tell you everything you're doing wrong.

All I heard is keep it on the track, bud. Sounds like I'm going to be saying that a lot. Hopefully not. Hopefully not. Man, good luck to you this year. I appreciate you stopping by. And, you know, hopefully we'll see you back here soon. Yeah, thank you guys for having me.

Yeah, appreciate it. We'll be following, man. Thank you. Have it going, guys. Good luck, brother. Thanks. Hey, man, it's cool. Cool Connor stopped in.

I'll say one thing before we keep this thing rolling. of Casey is he sent a tweet out the other day that basically was I'm doing this for the people who love me, not the haters. And what a mature head on his shoulders, talented kid. He may be the next real big thing. Yeah, I seen Jordan Bianchi had tweeted something or posted a story where he said a prominent figure in our sport says he's going to be a future cup champion. And, you know, he didn't reveal who it was.

But, you know, that's what people. Did he? Yeah. I mean, yeah. So then if it was Kyle, that's big praise coming from somebody like out, Larson. Wow. Agreed. Cool. Well, shifting gears to the cup race,

William Byron dominated winning his second race of the season. That's the first repeat winner for three straight seasons since Jeff Gordon did it. So I don't know if that tells us something about the future for Byron or even this year with the championship, but, I mean, safe to say he had a solid race. What about you guys? How was a Brett? I mean, Freddie. Brett didn't.

I was going to say, Brett, watched it from the couch with. Brett is probably drunk. Freddie, TGA. I hear you guys had some real close concerts. There were some run-ins. Brad finally paid by the back for one of the three or four times. I don't consider that one of them. Why not?

Did you spin us out? You stopped in front of us. It turns out you got to slow down for that, turned that tight corner. Yeah, you slowed down too much. Yeah, apparently. Don't do that. As I seen you sliding in there trying to pass the 42. You were 15 an hour slower than your normal speed at that point.

Okay. You're going to get hit. All right. So tell us what happened here. There was nothing. I mean, Brad did not do it intentionally. I think Brad was racing the 42 and just had them locked up and got to our collection. Well, they did stop in front of you.

Like you were way slower than your normal corner speed there. You're not going to say that. I don't really, honestly, you don't remember. But I'm sure you went back and looked at S&T. Oh, I did. I did look at it. But I mean, it was just typical. Like, when you rear-end somebody on the road, who gets who's vaulted it?

that all depends that's all up for speculation um yeah there was tj that was that was i mean me and tj both had a very long race i want to talk about the first wreck that you were in i don't even know what happened like freddie's i don't know what happened i saw those guys three wide and i went back and watched the replay and you would think that corey lejoy knew he was three wide based on where he was entering the corner and then when he came back onto the track freddie did you not give him enough room or or did he just crash the party? So. What happened?

I like this answer. Sorry, I was in a little of a text. So, no, Corey, so Corey runs out wide, and I don't know what he was told. Bubba, Bubba was told right side. I don't. Was he told two right side? He was told right side.

So he didn't know we were three wide. It kind of looked like that, but I didn't want to assume. And I don't think Corey knew the same. There were two on the left side. I think, you know, I mean, Corey, I think they're wrecking no matter what. I don't think we ran but Martin into Corey. Corey has to come back on the track there because he's going to run into the grass if he doesn't.

But the, you know, Corey's coming back and he's, I think he's going to chop Martin no matter what. We could have done ourselves a lot of favors. Where is that? Into 11? Off of 11. Yeah. So Corey runs wide and then comes back. And he, when he comes back, he kind of runs us into Martin and we all kind of meet in the middle.

and it destroyed our right front. But, you know, I think we could have all, I don't think it's 100% Corey's fault. I think we all, it's definitely not Martin's fault at all. He was an innocent bystander. You know, we could have all helped each other out a little bit more there, but it just sucks on lap one that that happens, and then here you are the rest of the race kind of chasing your tail.

This is where to, like if you're watching you're not a very educated, hardcore NASCAR fan, was Corey LaJoy on the racetrack? No. At corner exit? Not at all. Not at all four tires. we're completely off the asphalt. Yeah.

So as a fan, if you're a new fan coming from Netflix and you're watching this, it's confusing. Well, that's what I'm saying. And this is why I want to feel like I'm piling on court because I was the innocent, you know, my guy was involved with it. But like, we didn't put you out there. You know what I mean? You ran yourself out there because you're trying to get a strong exit off of 11. Now we could have cut you a favor and let you back on, but nobody's obligated to do that,

you know? And instead you just come across and chop Martin and then we all end up ready. you know, that's a mistake on Corey's part, whether he, you know, he wants to admit it or not. But at the end of the day, like, I get it. Like, you ran out there and you need to get back on the racetrack, but it's not our fault you're out there. Yeah, I don't think it's anyone. You can't really point at someone 100%. So just one of them situations.

Casey, I just looked. William Byron has won eight of the last 42 races, basically 20% of his starts in the last two years. that's really good. I mean, 12 ones total, but the majority of them have come in the last two years. Since he got hooked up with Rudy, right? Yeah, yeah, for sure. That definitely flipped a switch for William.

And, you know, sometimes like Chad, you know, it was Chad before Rudy, right? I mean, that's, obviously, we've seen in the past, Chad's not the easiest guy in the world to work with. You know, he expects it and demands a lot. And, you know, sometimes that things don't gel like that. But they kicked everybody's ass when they ran trucks together. They should have dominated and won a championship.

I think they blew a motor in a play. playoffs and we're going to eliminate it before the end of the year. But, yeah, once they got back together now, they just clicked. I want to say one thing before we dive in all that stuff too. SVG, obviously very, very talented. But we did see that he's human. 20th in the cup race, 27th after his penalty and infinity race. Yeah, I mean, the cup race, it was, and we talked about this last year when he went to

Chicago and won, that was a perfect storm for him. Oh, 100%. That was, you know, his wheelhouse. he drove that type of racing was perfect for him. When you go to places where we've been before and our guys have got laps and you're kind of

you're going to get in where you fit in. You're not going to be a stand out there. You know what I mean? He's obviously a very good road course race, so we saw that on Saturday. He kind of, you know, he drove up past AJ and was going to go on to win that if there's not a late caution. Yeah. But, you know, he, obviously I'm not taking anything away from. He's a phenomenal road course race or a phenomenal race car

driver. But when you get out there with 36 other really good raise car drivers, especially places they've been and made lapsed at before, you're kind of just just one of the guys again. And he should do that in the Xfinney series. Yes, for sure. Because those are the up-in-comers that are learning and he does this for a living and, you know, overseas. You could clearly see on Saturday there was four guys that dominated that race. You know, whether they were running in the top four the whole time, it was SVG, AJ, Larson, and Ty Gibbs. Like they were the clear fastest four. They kind of got away from everybody and then Chandler was

fifth. It was obvious one of those four should win them. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. So you could see the gap right there in just cup to. I mean, and you could see it. I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt and say that NASCAR called that race yesterday, exactly the same as they called Saturday's race. And you saw 47 penalties on Saturday, and you saw, I think, four course-cutting penalties yesterday. And a lot of the course-cutting penalties on Saturdays were guys that ran on Sunday.

AJ, Ty Gibbs got one. I know SVG got one. There's guys in those races that got penalties. So, you know, the talent level, I don't think people appreciate how talented the Cup Series field is all the way through. That's what we say. That's why the race is you give these guys a car that's easier to drive. Not that it's easy to drive, but it's easier to drive than an Xfinity car or even a truck, in my opinion, there. I mean, those cars are sliding all the truck and Xfinity car slide over the place. This cup car is, it's literally like you see them RC car videos or them guys.

It looks like an RSC car going through there, and they're flying, but these guys, but these guys are they're so good and accurate man it's if you give them something that handles so good like that it's hard mistakes aren't really made in practice i was down there in 12 in practice stuff there was so many wheel hops and truck and exfini stuff cup car rarely i think only two three guys missed a corner in 12 and practice the whole time in truck and exfinity it was every few every couple minutes somebody was sliding off there missing it and and you just don't have that in the cup series number of because the guys, the talent levels up and the cars are easier to handle.

Not that it's, you know, obviously when you get to the Cup Series, the gap, the window to, I mean, it's so tight, you've got to be so good when you're there. But it's definitely really hard. Did you see, I don't know where you guys were spotting from, did you see the Chase Elliott situation where he lost control of the car and he ended up, quote, out of bounds and they penalized him. So in that situation, he's coming up on a left-hander than a right-hander. The left-hander, he loses it. And he gets completely sideways, and he washes, catching the car, washes, quote, out of bounds through those S's. They penalized him, you know, for doing so.

Whereas in a typical NASCAR race, there is a penalty for missing a corner. Or you have an opportunity to save it, i.e., you're hitting the wall, you're running through grass, you're spinning out. I was in complete disagreement that he should have been penalized the way that he was penalized for literally saving his race car. Yeah, I don't. To me, if you're going to miss an ass like that and you slide off or whatever, make it like the Watkins Glen. If you miss the bus stop, you got to come to a complete stop over there and then you take off again. I don't think you should be. He probably had a drive-through penalty.

Yeah, that's a huge penalty for just, you know. Blowing corner. Yeah, so. Yeah. I was listening to like half to tear down so far. And they said that that was brought up and NASCAR said there just isn't a place like we have at the Roval for them to stop. Like they, you know, because you're not, if you blow it in that, there's, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know if you know what the back of that track looks like, to be honest with you. But, you know, that that was there.

You need a track walk? This is where I talk. No, I don't. You know how long that track is? Take me all months. Three-something miles. It's like, one of little scooters. I blow the tires off of it.

but this is where I think that you need to have warnings. Like this could have been very easily satisfied with, don't do that again. You know, you know, you can at least get one more like, because there was no warnings. I mean,

the warning was like the typical deal like, you know, probably a driver's meeting. This is your warning, you know, because that's what happens with other rules. Like we're going to enforce this today, consider this your warning.

But I think you could have like, I don't think warnings should happen right behind other cars like that. But I do think you could be a warning for completely blowing it and saving your car. You're wrecking, you wrecked, but you didn't wreck. I think that like, And it's so, like I said, I think that they need to adopt some kind of, if they're going to continue this, especially at that place.

And then especially if we go to some kind of full course where they're using this, you have to have warnings. Because that's what they're basing it off a Formula One. I don't know. We don't need to, we don't need to. We need to, we need to be any more line. Don't cross this line. I agree. I hate.

But then how do you officiate that? I hate it. The problem is we shouldn't have to officiate. No, it should officiate itself. It officiates itself. Curbs like it's. I'll ask you one more thing before we jump, Casey, is, listen, the tires were all we talked about last week. How do you guys rate the tire yesterday at Cota?

I mean, hard as rocks, barely fell off. Yeah, it was not a lot of fall. I mean, there was fall off, but not a lot of fall off. Obviously, nowhere near what we had last week. Not like what you would have at Sonoma where a guy would pit and you'd know if he had four lap tires. Yeah. You know, nothing like, I'm not even close. Like, I'm not even sure if the cost was out the end with pit.

I don't think yesterday was any kind of reflection on last week because I don't think, I don't know if you could snap your fingers. and make a change like that, you know, when you're, I don't know how you got to pack up and get out there and stuff. So I don't know that, you know, I think you'll see Martinsville, maybe this week, Richmond is going to be a direct result of what happened at Bristol. But, yeah, definitely kind of, it was similar to what we had later last year. I would love to have a tire you could blow the rear tires off of at Cota and any road course, honestly. I would, it would be, man, it would be awesome. I mean, it would just be, you'd see guys. I mean, SVG would probably be, he'd probably be up near the front more because he's used to driving stuff like that.

And to be honest, there's not a lot of these, the crop of guys we got now. There's only a few of them in there that have ever had to really drive stuff like that where you could blow the rear tires off the thing and it would hurt you later on. That bristle race was the first time that I've seen something like that since, but that's how we used to race. That's how it used to be. You saw the guys that would, they had finesse. they knew how to take care of their stuff, and there was an art to it. There's an old old saying. Put an egg under the throttle?

Well, yeah, but there's an even older saying that. That's anywhere that Kyle Petty ran fast, you should lift at Star Finish Line. Like the Rock and Hams, the Dovers back in the day. To your point, man, some guys knew how to take care of their stuff. Some guys didn't. Yeah, Martinsville, Bristol, the guys that lift early and aren't just as hard as you can get to the corner. But there was, it was a talent. But to me, it was a talent for them guys to be able to do that stuff.

And I would like to see some of that come back to, you know, these road courses like Sonoma. You had comers and goers because guys would run super fast, but 10 laughs later, they're like, they're dropping. Yeah. Real quick, before we go on the spot off, obviously now we know Justin Haley, great run yesterday, got penalized for weight issues. Can you take us through what the inspection process is poster? Well, let's start with this part first. Random is not random. No.

No, no, no, no. You aren't going to pick. What are the odds that they spin a wheel, you know, five through 40, and it land on Justin Haley's number, who, oh, by the way, had the best race going in Rick Ware racing history. Yes. Yeah, they ran. Really good race. To be honest, I don't know. We don't know for sure.

I don't know. Nobody knows here that he was a random or not for sure. But that's the only thing that makes sense because he wasn't in the top 10. and I don't think they run every car across the scales. So I'm assuming that he was some kind of random and he was light. Less than a 10-pound dumbbell line. So do I think that that's an advantage? Yes, I do.

I truly do. Do I think that it makes an average running position of 14th by Justin Haley and Rickware Racing versus what they normally run out there, which would be in the 30s possible? No, I don't think eight pounds does that for you. Do you think that? No. I agree with that. You know, and listen, Justin probably should have ran better.

You know, I've seen where he said, and this is, this is, I'm not picking on them because they're doing a phenomenal job this year, I think. But, you know, they still have to clean up small issues because they didn't get the car full on the last pit stop. So Justin, instead of being able to, he was running 10th or 12th. Yeah, right around 11. And he couldn't attack that last run because he had to save fuel to get to the end of the race. So, you know, instead of being able to attack and probably, he could have easily probably protected his position of 10th, 12, wherever it was. and now he's falling back into the clutches. I mean, you know, he just, and now he gets, unfortunately, gets disqualified.

But the, you know, it sucks for them guys. You beat yourself. Yeah, but Justin, I mean, at this point, he's got to be considered one of the most underrated drivers out there. Because you saw what he did last week. Last week he could drive it to the front and kind of maintain it pretty well. You know, he's doing a great job in that 51 car. We are so excited to have consumer cellular as a part of door bumper clear. They are also the official wireless.

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Spot off. Spot off. It was super fun yesterday to ride around there. I am spot off. Damn. Where do you come from? Moving on to spot on spot off. on last week's DJD, Dale asked Chase Elliott about his interests in participating in season two of full speed. Here is what he had to say.

It might not be the most entertaining thing or the most popular answer or whatever, but dude, I really just want to go fast and I want to do my job at a high level. And if I feel like there's anything that's going to take away from that, I'm probably going to say no to it. Spot on, spot off. Freddie. Oh, great. Here comes the portion of the show where everybody says we hate Chase Elliott. Why do people say that? I don't know.

I mean, we can probably come up a few. I completely, completely understand what Chase is saying. But it's just not how this game is played. I promise you, every driver in the field would like to just solely focus on going fast and solely focus on whatever is going to make them a better race car driver. But there's a whole other side to this, and it's the business side of this motorsports. And you can't just rely, Brett, on, I'm not going to do that because I think it's going to slow me down on the racetrack. I hear him.

My man, my struggle is, is it better? Man, this is a complicated debate. Like, I can literally sit here and argue with myself. Connor just walked in here. He's a young kid. He's 17. He needs sponsors. Chase Elliott doesn't need sponsors.

You know, Connor needs owners to like him. Chase Elliott doesn't need an owner to like him. He has that. Like, Chase Elliott has never been in a bad race car in his life. Is that fair to say? Fair. Yeah, probably. I'd say it's really a chance.

He's always been in elite cars. Is that fair? Yes. He has a ton of talent. He's a champion. He's a winner. Like, he's done all the things. But to help us, I mean, I'll go back to what Kevin Hart.

Kevin Harvick took a freaking jab at Delarnhart Jr. And said, if he had ran butter during his career, and oh, by the way, they're business partners now. But if they ran, if Dale Jr. had run better during his career, our sport will be more popular than what it is. That's what Kevin Harvick said. Whether you agree with that or not, I don't know. But I can sit here and say, if he were on this Netflix series this year, does it make more people watch the Netflix series? Does it make more fans come to our sport? And in my mind, the answer is yes. I mean, Jeff Burton told me all the time, you're supposed to leave the sport better than you found it. You're supposed to do things to help grow the sport. You're

supposed to do things to help engage with fans, engage with sponsors. And so, man, when he says that, it's like, selfishly, he doesn't care. And I know that's probably not the case. But at the same time, it's a lot of work to do what Denny Hamlin did and let all these people into his world. Denny Hamlin doesn't have a championship, but he's a Hall of Fame driver in my mind. And he's running a company, and he gets the big picture. I don't know that Chase has to care. I think I'm spot on for what Chase said. Chase is just being Chase. And he's never, you know, tried to, said he would want to do more. Chase just wanted to, he's never really changed. In my opinion, he's been the same way. He just wants to race and go race. And he doesn't really, you know, I think he does what he's asked to do with his company and his sponsors and stuff.

But, you know, as far as doing stuff like this, that's just not, not Chase's personality to me. And, you know, Chase is just being Chase. And it's hard for me to, I want him to do it. I want him to do it. I want him because, you know, Chase is a, he's a pretty funny dude once you get to know him and stuff, and he's a good guy. And I think it would, I think it would do a lot for the sport as well. But, you know, Chase is just being Chase. And I'm going to, you know, I don't think he needs to be somebody that he's not. I don't, you know, you never see, I don't think, I mean, I think him, maybe him and Blaney went back and forth a little bit, like jokingly last year. But Chase is not the guy that's out there begging to be the most popular driver. He just somehow happened to be the most popular driver. Why is he the most popular driver?

I mean, I'm sure, you know, his dad was a multi-time. I couldn't, what's the number? It's got to be teens. You know, I think that was a huge fan base. He inherited two huge fan bases because he had his dad's huge fan base that won multiple, multiple most popular driver awards. And then he got in the 24 car, which already had another huge fan base off of Jeff Gordon. So he inherited two really big fan bases. And we give him here all the time about, you know, not.

doing much to deserve that award but you know it's like to TJ's point you see the numbers our TV numbers are up 10 15% every race so far it seems like this year and you got to think that has some kind of reflection on that Netflix series much like it did for F1

and I just selfishly I just wanted to be part of it because of you think it has that much more effect if he's there but to your point TJ that just that doesn't fit his personality he's not that's not him he's not super outgoing you know, publicly, I should say, you know, a nice person.

But, you know, that just doesn't fit his thing. But to that point, Brett, and I think we heard it somewhere. I think I was maybe the Barstool, large from Barstool, I mentioned it. He thought he heard booze for Chase during the Bristol intros, which is, I didn't hear it. We were inside. But if that's the case, like, do you think he's ever in jeopardy? Stuff like this, is he ever in jeopardy of losing that most popular driver award? I mean, he could, man.

I mean, when you look back and he hadn't won a race in a couple years, and obviously he's coming off of injury, he's coming off surgery, didn't he have shoulder surgery? Yes. And I don't think, you know, that probably gets enough attention. That takes a while to come back from. And I just, it's no different than when we sat here with Jamie McMurray. And I said, I don't want to see Jimmy Johnson get in a race car and struggle. I don't want to see him tarnish his legacy.

And it doesn't matter what we want or what we think is right for somebody. They're going to do what they want to do themselves. I am spot on for him coming on the Dell Jr. Download, to be honest with you, because why wouldn't he? Yeah. You know, but he hasn't. I'm sure they've asked him for years to come and be on that show. And, you know, boom, here he is.

And he's talking about things that are near and dear to him. So I don't think he deserves to be beat up over it. Maybe we're beating him up over it. But it's just I wish he would. And I think it would help our sport if he did. But he doesn't gain anything from it. That's my point. That's what I was about to say is it's no secret.

He's getting a lot of for his performance on track. if he were to have been asked, can you be on this show, something that would take up more time, more time, probably more stress, more things to add to this already busy schedule, I mean, would you say yes? If it doesn't really do anything for you?

Listen, I worked with Elliot Sadler, and I managed him for 20 years. There's a lot of reasons why he moved back to Emporia, Virginia. One of them was because you couldn't get to him. If you asked him to do something in Charlotte, he didn't live here. There's a reason why,

Chase Elliott doesn't live here. There's a reason why Mark Martin didn't live here. Could they come to Charlotte? Yeah, they could fly in here whenever they wanted to. But they also had that easy excuse of, I'm not there. I'm not coming. We talked about on here when we discussed the show. One of the stars of the show is Booty Barker.

And I can tell you firsthand knowledge that if you asked Booty and he was completely up to him, he would have told you no. You know, but unfortunately for him, our boss, Denny, was an open book and wanted to make sure 2311 was an open book because he knew and and we saw people complain about how much attention 2311 got because of that but he knew what that could do for the sport he and look I mean booty hates it but I mean it made booty a star I mean there's people coming by the hall or every week to try and talk to booty now and I bet he loves that I mean the number of people when I give a tour who asked like where he is so they could meet him it's unreal but that's the beauty of the show is

the guy you least expected to be a star is the star but chase is the star already he has other things to focus on that's why he don't want that's why he's telling you no moving on the caution free cup race at koda fizzles out some of the buzz that's been building early this season spot on spot off brett i feel like they didn't throw a caution all day just to piss freddie off because last week you know freddy was freddie was just on them about hey man we needed a caution here we deserve a caution here i feel like all them guys listen they were opportunities to throw cautions not really i mean there's a lot of spins Well, there were a lot of spins that were about to happen on TV, and TV would cut to the next shot. Like, there was a deal going up turn one where this car goes flying out of the camera angle,

and then they cut to something else. But I am all for a race playing out organically, and I think it adds to the strategies, you know, and whatnot. I mean, I know we're now stopping again for stage breaks, and we went through the point where we kind of weren't. But I'm spot on for a caution-free race. It also got you guys out there faster. Yeah, are you spot on for the fact that this was the fastest cup race in history? Was it? I'm sure it was.

In this track's history. Sorry. It's got to be close to the fast one in history, though. Last year was the fastest one, wasn't it? There was one or two hours. We beat this one hour, 52 minutes. Yeah, we went. Where was it last year?

Y'all remember Sonoma? Indy Roadcourse? Yeah, that makes sense. Indy Road course. Yeah. I thought it was great. You know, I thought that it was, there's half the fan base.

So, like, I thought last year, obviously, remember last year was, show at the end. It was multiple green white checkers. We all go in to turn one. We wipe each other out. We throw another other. Come back and do it again. I prefer this much more than that. But then you're going to look at half the fan base. I mean, take the two races

from this weekend. Half our fan base would rather see what happened at the end of the Xfinity race, where SVG is cruising to a win, the yellow comes out, turns into a bit of a shit show. They start pushing each other around. Kyle Larson ends up winning the race. And then the other half of our fan base, I think, wants to see the true best car and driver that day win the race.

And that's what happened yesterday, where Byron and I thought was the best car all day. We also got to see, talk about the stage breaks, Bell ran the race like there was no stage breaks and probably should have won if there was a caution after lap 50 because he was on tires, he was coming and he didn't get there in time. But he ran the race like there was, you know, he didn't, the stage breaks were just cautions to him. He ran the race. You know, he didn't pit the first stage.

He stays out at the stage break, runs to like lap 23 or 24, whatever was fuel run. Then he comes in again at 49. So he's just running the race backwards like we used to do in the past, like we would have done if there was no stage breaks. So, you know, I think you have two different strategies. They're both playing out well. I think a caution might determine the end of the race there. But I thought it was there's not much more you can ask where out of road course race.

Why can't they enforce track limits everywhere? Like, what was their reasoning for that? I think cameras probably, if I had to guess, because that's how they were doing it in that area was that somebody, according to the TV broadcast that I was listening to, somebody would go through there. There must be somebody just dedicated to watching that corner or those set of corners. They would flag it, review it, penalty or no penalty. Yeah, it wasn't instant. Yeah. And I think that they're relying on some kind of camera system for that.

And they obviously, I don't think, you know, I'm sure they have cameras in every quarter. corner, but I don't know if they have that specific, you know, like cameras that are that well, you know. You would need something almost above it to get the right angle because we saw, you look at the angle of some of these cameras too, that Atlanta finished last year between us and Christopher Bell. Remember how it looked like he beat us the line and the camera's a little bit of an angle? Yeah. Then you go back to the start finish line. We're in front of them a little bit straight on. Yeah. So if you have a little bit of an angle, it could change, like to me, the only real way to do it is something above it looking straight down on it. But again, I don't even want to

get in that, I don't even want to be in that, that box. I want to, these tracks need to have, like, um, things that you can get in trouble with that, you know, like the wall. You said, Walt, what's Chicago doesn't need track limits? It does because it has its own. Yeah. And we need, like, I don't care if it's a sand trap. I don't care if it's a curb put, we need something there to say, hey, guys, there's the line. You step over it. You're going to chance a lot of them. We're penalizing you. So in the right-hander where they were literally running off the track, that is not considered to be exceeding track limits. What was that advantage?

Well, you had to run there because there wasn't an advantage to going off the track, really. You had to run there because if you got one foot to the left, the track was so dirty that you were going to wreck. If somebody went too wide, people wrecked by themselves getting off to the left. It was so dirty. So if you ran on the track, you were penalized. Yeah, basically, yes. But if you ran off the track, it was time. Yes, that's my point.

There was times, I was watching Saturday's race, and so what happened, they filled it in for Sunday, but you could see by the end of the Xfinity race, there was a large hole there. Yeah, so, like, because guys would, the guys would not only hook the apron or the red kind of rumble strip, but then they would get their right side tires off into the grass, and it was just literally digging a hole. And then I seen one time, like, late in the race, SVG's in the air. Like, he bottomed out and it was flying. I'm like, man, I don't know if I'd be pushing it, but then you have no choice because we were, talking about with Connor earlier before the show started, and I watched Brisco go do it a couple

times because we were trying to chase him down. If you got, the track was filthy. Like, because all that dirt and stuff that was there was getting just pushed out onto the racetrack. And if you got your left side tires just a little too far, a quarter car with, maybe less, to the left, and you touched that dirt, it was, you were on ice until you got up to turn nine. So it was. You were getting past, too. Yeah. Oh, yeah. If you didn't spend out. Xfinity Series, rest of the year, some road course was coming up. That was only road race for trucks all year, so congrats to them. But will anyone other than A.J. Amandinger or SVG win an Xfinity Series road course between

down the end of the year? I mean, yeah, they didn't win this one. Well, this one had Ty Gibbs in it. Larson. This one had Larson. You're going to have the 17 guard thing in all of them, whether it's Larson or Bairn. But Barset ain't outrun an SVG. Who's running out of his baron?

How many ever run in Portland? I'll tell you who might win one. I'll tell you right now who might win one. It's fucking Connor Sillich. He's getting in the 88 at Watkins Glen. he's going to be hard to handle. I mean, that's somebody that's going to challenge him.

I don't think there's any regulars. Like, you know, we used to see back in the day would, like, be Custer and Briscoe could kind of run, which Custer is still there, but he didn't seem like he was much of a factor this week. So,

you know, it was, there's guys out there that can win, and obviously if you put a late race restart together, it's going to be a bit of a disaster. But, yeah, we'll, where did you stand on that? Just quickly.

Which one? Like, Austin Hill goes in a turn one. moves them. So SVG makes sure he pays him back and then Austin is somehow mad about it at the end of the race. I don't understand it. I mean, but you could say the same thing about the cup race with some of these guys like Stenhouse and SVG or Stenhausen who, uh, the third car. He tried that damn World War stuff again.

I feel like there was just retaliation just all over. But this was a difference. This is completely different than that. This was for the win. You know, he lined him up into one. I mean, he didn't go in there and wreck him, but he moved him out of the way so that he couldn't. The same thing that happened to him back. Yeah, well, I mean, SVG did hit him much harder.

But I think at that point, SVG is saying, if I'm not winning this race, you're not winning. You're not winning this race either. Like, either I'm going to move you and I'm going to win or Larsen's going to win. But you're not, if you move me, you're not going to win. He didn't wreck him, but he definitely got him out of the way. I mean, and it was a- He wrecked himself, really. The car, like I was the last lap. He took him, it was.

I mean, you know, I don't know. It's hard. I don't know how a guy can complain about. You know, what I look at is where Austin Hill messed up was, is he didn't do a good enough job when he hit him to get away from and stay away from. If you're going to do that, you've got to do it enough to where the guy can't get back to you. Because if he gets back to you, you 100% know what's getting ready to happen. You got pie him, buy him because you hit him. If he gets back to you, how is it not the same?

I feel like I've known Austin a long time and I've spotted for him in multiple series. and I think it's I hope it's just kind of heat of the moment and when he goes back an hour later and looks at it he goes all right you know because he said like he said I don't know why he checked up in a turn one he started to do that already but then in the end of he's like but you know I didn't really

even hit him hard like I mean he said something like he checked up early in the one I'm like sure he like justified the hitting but you still got by him because you hit him I don't think he's going to if you switch the roll if you reverse it he's going to it's going to be the same way so but Austin drove honestly he drove a great race

too to be in position right there i mean he was in position to take advantage something if anything happened so yeah well this is a perfect segue into the next topic spot on spot off kyle bush confronting christopher bell after the race for contact between them in turn one i see you smiling brett what do you think uh uh man cow bush is one of the greatest ever drive a race car but if anybody ever rolls up on me like that i'm gonna get my ass kick you or they're going to get their ass kicked. Like Christopher Bell was kind of caught off guard, and I don't know why he was because he wrecked Larson

and then he wrecked Kyle or whatever he did to Kyle. Christopher, like, backs up, leans on his car, and clearly surrenders to, I don't want any physical confrontation here. But I'm from a real redneck town, and Kyle was mad. Kyle had every right to do what he did. I'm spot on for the whole scenario happening,

but yeah, don't roll up on me like that. TJ? Do you see it? Oh, yeah. TJ, do you see it? I mean, I saw a little video clip of it. It was everywhere. Yeah.

Yeah. I don't know. I mean, I'm not Christopher Bell, I'm assuming, is not much of a fighter. Like, I can't see Christopher Bell going anywhere and beating a shit somebody. Like, I don't, I've never seen him really that animated on pit road either. Like, I know, I'm sure he's been mad. But Kyle? No, oh, no.

Oh, Christopher Bell. But Kyle, like Kyle, what it reminded me of watching the video was Kyle storming up to Lugano. That's what I thought. Yeah. You know what I mean? You remember that? He's forming up and he walked in there and swung. And I was like, by then I knew he didn't hit him.

But like that's what it reminded me of. But Bell was just, I think Bell was dumbfounded because if you watch the wreck, I'm not blaming all of it on Bell. You know, Bell's going into one. Bell is inside. Kyle opens his entry way up into one, which Skies do. And he's trying to, I assume, set the guy up in front of him. But he answers, he opens his entry way up and then tries to cut down and Bell's there.

You got to cover that. It's not Bell's job to lift for you to make that pass. He's there to pass you. You know, Bell gets in there hot, and I don't think, like, you can see when a guy clearly like dives in there, breaks locked up or just pushes the entry. Oh, can you? Yeah, I saw it right right when you fucking ran in the back of me. But, you know, that 50, 50 at anything, and I probably put a little bit more of it on Kyle just for the fact that you open your entry up so much. You got to expect if somebody's back there within two or three carlings of you, they're going to get there.

If that's John Hunter, if he's eight back, he's in there. I'll go ahead and tell you that. Um, yeah, I don't, what I wonder is, so you saw Kyle walk up to him and he starts counting. Did you see him like he was, so they, that happened there last year. Bell got him there last year. I didn't, I didn't go back and see what happened. Okay. According to Jordan Bianchi on the tear down last night, that they, they, they dumped him there last year and then they got into it again this year.

And it was, they, they, they speculated that it was, you know, this happened now twice. It's not going to happen a third time, you know. Yeah, okay. Well, yeah, I mean, that's, I mean, I can't. I can't blame all Christopher, but I can see where Kyle's frustration is, too, though. And I think Christopher was honest after the race and saying, listen, I screwed up and dumped Larson. Like, I screwed up and got in there and ran in the back of Kyle and spun him out. He goes, in the one, I was just taking my corner and he left the door open.

You know, and he's like that. So he owned the fact that he dumped. It wasn't like he was just saying, you know, like kind of like Austin Hill, I'm innocent. I didn't do nothing wrong here. You know, he openly admitted I dumped Kyle Larson. What I don't understand is. Here's what worries me, though. is Christopher Bell put himself out there as the guy that you can run up to after the race and he's just going to surrender.

He didn't surrender. He didn't even flinch. He leaned back on his car and was trying to get away from the college. Well, the dude was like on top of him. What did Ross Chastain do when Noah Gregson walked up to him? So you're saying he rolled up to swan. Christopher should have punched him in the face. I'm not saying that anybody should have punched anybody. I'm just saying Christopher didn't want a part of that car.

You did not want any part of that. You did hear him say at the end like, dude, okay. I know you have a bromance. Christopher Bell. But let's be honest. If he was in the wrong, I would absolutely say it. But he didn't even flinched. The comments show.

Like, he literally was like, okay, like, I don't know what you want me to do here. Okay. What I was going to say is the part that bothers me about this is Kyle's done this before. And if you remember, you were full-time spotting here then, too. At Bristol, Brad's driving the 22 car. Kyle's passing him and Brad's still outside him on the backstretch. Well, Kyle clears himself and goes across Brad's nose. It's not Brad, you know.

So what's Kyle do? It goes up the racetrack, lifts, and lets Brad go by, and then just spins him out. Like, you can't, I don't know, to me, Kyle's been in situations like this where you make your own luck on things, and it's not, you shouldn't let the door open. If you don't want somebody to be in there, you shouldn't leave the door open. But I think also Kyle has been driving long enough that he just kind of thinks through the guys should respect like, okay, this guy's not going to make the pass on me right here. He can barely get his nose there, which is probably true, because I don't think Bell was going to make the pass. But, you know, I think Kyle was just thinking, okay, well, the guy can't make the pass. He's not going to go for it.

I can work on this guy a little bit, and then he goes to make his move, and Bell's there. Not saying Bell can't make that move because he can do whatever he wants for the doors open, but I just think Kyle thinks that some of these guys are going to give more respect to then you don't see it much these days. You don't see much respect. My favorite part of these wrecks are when they go back. to some of the in-car cameras, and you see and hear the contact, and then you hear the guy who initiated the contact,

just floor it. Throttle up, yeah. Oh, yeah. Not only am I wrecking you, I ain't lifting, I'm going to really wreck you. Who all day show that way? I can't remember, but it was pretty funny. All right, well, what do you guys think about this one?

Spot on, spot off. Ty Gibbs should have let Bell go run down Byron. Yeah, I'm spot on, I think. Wow. What, should have let him go? I have never heard TJ, though, on this side of the argument because he's usually like, what if a caution comes out? What if that guy has a problem?

But that's his teammate. I put myself in that situation. And if I look at us, like, if it's not, if it's teammate, I mean, that's just somebody sits in these Monday meetings with every week too. And if he's got better tires than you at a place like this, and he's obviously marching him down, he ran him down pretty quick, Bell was flying. Once he cleared whoever it was, he, he, he, He was flying.

He was flying. And like I look at it. If we're running second and we're not catching the leader and here comes, you know, Chris catches us, it doesn't make sense for us to try to hold him up. It improves your own chances to win the race. Let them race. Let them go up there and wreck each other. We saw that on Saturday.

You know, the two leaders take each other out and the guy in third place wins the race. 100%. You let that guy go. You know, if you're not going to, if you're not catching them, to your point, obviously, if you catch a yellow, but we just talked about it, we didn't see a yellow all day long. So you can't really bank on one there. So let them two idiots go right. You know, like, I'm going to go up there and hope he catches them and hope they take each other out.

This isn't air blocking. This isn't an arrow track like that where you're going to, where you can hold somebody off for a long time. This is a guy just ran you down. He was pretty good at that yesterday. Well, he wasn't air blocking. He just uses the car as a block itself. I'm going to tell you on this side. I'm going to have to disagree with both y'all.

You're running second. Man, who knows what could happen. That guy could have a problem. him, you know, the leader run off the track, leader spent out, caution come out. I am just 100% cannot believe T.J. Of all people. Because William Byron really looks like the type of guy that's going to run off the track of Dakota.

I'm just saying, man, it's still a race. Two years in a row, he's dominated a race. He could get a flat. I mean, there's all kinds of things. Could. Could. He didn't. He didn't.

Two years in a row. I'm team tie. I think that, and I think, I get that. I agree with you. But I think for if, if that's Bubba in that situation, I'm spot. body more for myself than helping Bell because my best shot to win the race is them two wrecking each other. So, you know, if you're worried about the one point for third, second or third, okay, I can see maybe race. There's one big thing about this story that people tend to forget.

His name is on the building. His name is on the side of the hauler and he's on every hauler, not just Ty Gibbs's hauler. Joe Gibbs, Gibbs, the word Gibbs is on everything. It's on the crew shirt. It's on every crew shirt. it's on every fire suit. So you don't think they're going to the competition meeting and some of this? I don't think they're going to fuss it.

Ty Fibbibb's tomorrow. Okay? I don't think anybody's going to fuss at him. I'm just saying, to me, Ty could be the, you know, the, it's a veteran move to do that. Like these old,

these old school guys would have a veteran. But I'm saying he's learning and growing that direction. Second year guy chasing his first win. This would have made it, this would have made it him look like, you know what, man? I'm going to get this back some. day and he'll probably need that back. I just wish I had the capabilities to hit a button in here

all the times TJ would have been on Ty Gibbs's side. We probably can come up with a real. Now he's on the other side. Listen, they're teammates. So, and like Freddie said, you let them guys go up there and wreck? You get two spots. I get it. Say goodbye the busted brackets because Fandul lets you bet on every game of the tourney. Whether you're betting on a big upset or a one seed, it's time to go dancing on America's number one sports book. You can bet on everything from Moneyline to over unders to which team will cut down the nets. All on an app that's safe, secure, and super easy to use. Take the court with $200 in bonus bets.

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Let's hear what the fans think on Reaction Theater. These ought to be lovely. Usually are. I'm so thankful a quarter of our schedule is road course racing. That was also I love, no passing, riding around, nothing going on, just logging last. That's the best kind of racing. I love it so much. I wish they do have to schedule. We need more road course racing. That's beautiful racing.

I love it. Don't you guys love it? I love it yesterday because I hope races like that get less of them on schedule. You know, I'm obviously, I thought we were perfect. We had two. I think three is probably a fair number. But when we have, what we have this year, four or five? There was six, now it's five.

Yeah. So, I mean, it's, I think it's too many. And hopefully races like this will lend itself to maybe replacing a couple. It's a struggle, though, because we went through that era where road courses were better than short tracks. And road courses were way better than Milan Ave. I think that that era was the old car. It was.

You could move guys. You could, you know, the races were a bit more of a shit show because of damage. And you could move guys. Now you really can't do it. It started when, for me, personally, it started for me when Brian Vickers wrecked Tony Stewart in the last corner at Sonoma because they had been in a pissing match. Put him on the tires. Oh, dude.

I mean, Ryan Vickers was like, oh, you want some? Come and get some. He did. I don't remember what year it was. I'm going to say 15 years ago. But that's when road courses were like, man, they're awesome. And now they're not for cup. Yeah.

I mean, Watkins Glen, Sonoma. I'll take Chicago Street course over these other ones too. I mean... I can't wait to go there, by the way. Whoa, you want to talk about things you never thought people would say. There might have been some sarcasm in that comment. Regardless. Geez.

I want to give a big shout out to NASCAR. I had a really long week this week, six-day work week, a bunch of overtime. He got a good nap. Really tired. My one day off, sit down. Yeah, I've been staying up late watching the basketball games. games, sit down on the couch and nod off two or three times, got cut up on my sleep. Thanks for that, guys.

Really appreciate it. Listen, I took some of the best naps in my life in college watching Cub races. You know what he didn't nap? What? Last week of Bristol. No. T.J. must have been wearing a fucking blindfold or something. Brad ran over everything but the fucking pace car.

Pala. Who's Rickmore cars you shared to break his house? I'd probably say William Byron and Malix Bowman. in a Daytona? That's only one rig. More often, more occurrences. Volume, volume of wrecks. We spun one guy.

Well, the other one had it coming. Well. The other one was like a legit like, like, like, well, I technically, they both had it coming because I, I told Bubba last night. Bubba said, Bubba said, Bobba said, Bobba said, no, but he probably owes us a few. Yeah, I mean, yeah. The bad part about it is you still like finished decent. Yeah.

So, and the ones. where you got us. Well, won't we still finish? Phoenix, we were okay, yeah. California, I think we both ranked, right? We wrote out. I don't know, maybe. I think that was what Harrison came piling me later

and wiped us all out. I love it. Yeah. BBC, long time listener, first-time caller. That race sucked, but anyways, looked like a car with the number seven on it. Just nailed the fucking right side of my truck

down in the garage. Anyway, I hope you all are well sitting here watching the 19 picture who finished out their fucking stop. It should be done any minute now. So, catch all later. We stacking fenders instead of stack of pennies. That was talking about from high as to lows, man.

We talked about how fast bell was it in that race. Truex. Truex is really good. He was involved with that wreck early with us. So he had a pit. So he had to come out of a hole. And he got back up to the top 10. And then I think they had like a 16 second green flag stop at the end, which really, I think

he drove back to the top 10. That's two pit stops. Yeah, basically. So he drove back to the top 10. But he was, he had. a lot of speed yesterday. I was driving on Saturday and getting updates when I could on the on the Twitter in between campus tours and whatnot. And I was so happy for Corey LaJoy. Like I watched that he made the top 10 and I was like, holy cow. Like this is a that's a good run major accomplishment for

for Spire Motorsports for Corey. And then to have that happen on the first lap, man, I was just like, oh, I felt so bad for him. But I mean, he made his own bed, I guess. I don't know. I can't, I don't know if Bubba made the bed and Corey got in it or if Corey made the bed and Bubba and Corey got in it but one way or another. I don't, you know. They both ended up in bed. But there was multiple chances.

I don't know where'd Corey end up? In the back. Bad. So, I mean, there's multiple chances to get it bad though. If you were, if you were decent, you could get to the teens. Like, you know, there was a group there. You kind of got stuck in. I mean, once he, he just kept fading.

I expected Todd Gilliland to be better yesterday. I mean, I really did. Yeah, he was, he kind of, yeah. McDowell had problems. McDowell obviously could have been good, but he just ran right around 20th. I expect him to run 15th or about it. And he's been good there. I did not expect you to be slow as you were.

I mean, Chris Busher, bless his heart. He ain't been on TV. He ran top 10 all day. And he said his name. We actually were on pace to be basically where Denny was. And because we were racing with Denny and then we got into the mix there. And it was just too late in the race at that point. We pitted at the very end.

I don't know if you saw that. Okay. We pit because we thought we were only, we gave up like two or three spots the last five laps because the caution did come out and you figure half probably going to pit at that point. You know what I mean? And we weren't going to piss. We were going to try to jump half of them. So Brad said he would come on here. When are we going to get him on?

I don't think this is a good week. I agree with you. This is not the one we want to talk about. We should get him on after the next plate race. Plate race. He might be a protective custody. That was being funny. Well, hey, I'm looking to give you a reason for it.

The public hates you after plate races. They literally hate you. That's fine. They can hate me all they want. I'm on here for the people that love me. What name is the day I'll earn heart was that? I give that race an F1 out of 10. I don't know what I just watched.

I watched a half a race with track limits, a penalty to Chase Elliott, and I don't even like that guy. And then other corners, why did they even pave the track? because they're running like the bristle dirt at a turn. Is this you? You disguise your voice better? I don't know.

I... That's the hell is the season so far. So I guess we've got to have one stinker. I'm just telling y'all what the fans are experiencing at home. At home, yeah. And this guy clearly is a genius because he has the same opinions as I do. This is the way you interpret the fucking race. It cannot be this way.

It's hard. I can't imagine what it's like if you're, especially a new fan, if you're coming off this Netflix deal and you're not really accustomed to, you've not seen a road course yet. And you hear, this guy's got penalty for course cutting. And then you see somebody like drive into turn eight and not even touch the racetrack or, you know, I can't imagine what that's like. Back it up anymore. Well, real quick.

How many sporting events have you and I watched at a bar? A lot. I mean, hundreds? Probably. Imagine sitting at a bar as a fan and you're watching with no sound and you're watching and your guys running 13th and all of a sudden he's gone he's gone he's 30th and you're like what happened you have no idea what happened you think he pitted because he had a problem he had a problem yeah yeah it's it's too confusing too discretionary anyway all right so this was first time ever going to a race

had a great time at the track since 830 in the morning um the holy crap That was a boring race. 15 to go, I could not keep my eyes open. The only reason I stayed awake the entire race is because every time the cars came to turn 1, it would wake me up. It had a great time. It was a great experience. But, yeah, that race sucked. I wouldn't want him to Cota to be anybody's first race.

No, no, absolutely not. And I don't know what, like, I get that. I wish we can call that guy back and say, what do you want them to do to change it? Yeah, what do you expect? Do you want a competition caution with 10 to go? Like, you know, sometimes that's how they go. Here's what the guys got to do. The guy's got to get his ass up and walk around and go experience.

Like, man, Road America fans are the absolute best. They walk and golf cart that entire track so that during a three-hour race, they experience every corner. And at a place like Kota, you've got to do a similar thing. Yeah. I mean, to answer your question, Casey, tireware could probably help, but it's still, you're not, we, you don't see wrecks. You know, like we saw spins yesterday.

We saw Rex last year on Green Whitechacker restart into one because where the restart zone was and we could all run each other over. I thought that was a good change this week. You were carrying a lot of speed in the turn one on restarts this year as Connor got to shout out. But because you're going around that corner, the field's a little bit more spread, so you're not on top of each other down there. As a fan road courses have a few problems.

Number one, most places you cannot see the entire track. number two when they come by you at turn one you can see them coming up the hill at you you can see them drive away from you then there's about two minutes where you can't see them at all yeah so like that's what i'm saying you have to move to change your viewing experience and there's a whole a whole lot of other tips i could give you uh some of them include slamming fireball many bottles but like you you if you go to a road course race i e wakins glen you're gonna have to move around to enjoy the experience of the race itself pre-race post race i think that's great everywhere we go But yeah, I think you look at it like if you're going to a road course race, I want you to treat it, unless you're willing to walk around and really enjoy it, you're treating it as a camp trip that just happens to have a race going on in the background.

Because if you're going there expecting to see a phenomenal race at a road course, it's probably not going to happen. Well, keep those calls coming. Don't forget our number 704-802-9572. Use hashtag as CBC. Send us those questions. We'll keep picking the best ones each week. This first one is from Tyler. Do you think we should just go to North Walesboro after Bristol instead of running CODA, just like Junior tweeted? I think that if you would like to see the champion determined by the best car and the best driver on that day, you go to Koda over Phoenix. Period.

I thought somebody says I'm on North Wilkesboro. I think he said Wilkesboro and then go to Cota or something like that, right? He said leave Phoenix and don't go to Cota after Phoenix. Go to North Wilkesboro. Maybe I skipped ahead because the question on reading is not that question. Yeah, that's why we had to, sorry, we had to get new questions because you answered every, all of the questions. Gotcha. So I'm reading my phone.

So go to Wilkesboro instead of Phoenix? Is that the question? Go to Phoenix. Leave Phoenix. Don't go to Cota, go to Wilkesboro. Uh, yeah, like I just said, I would much rather see less road courses on the schedule. Um, so yeah, I'm good. I'm definitely good with less road courses and more short tracks. I think Austin, Texas is a phenomenal market to, to have a NASCAR race in.

Obviously, it's the capital of the great state of Texas. I'm a huge fan of going to Texas. I love that we have a presence there, but I am on the bandwagon of too many road courses. So I would prefer to leave there, Phoenix being there and go to good old Northwoodsboro. I want to see a point race there. Dude, I can't wait to get there as fast. There were two, modifies were two and a half seconds faster than we were. The cup cards were, or the cup two seconds. Imagine if we have that much fall off.

Jesus. Yeah, I don't think that's going to happen. Be awesome. I'm telling you how it is. Can you imagine wrecking at North Walesburg going that fast? No. Luke Baldwin almost did it. And that was like they were there testing the other day.

But shout out to Luke Baldwin, by the way. Yeah. One of the biggest modified races in the country yesterday is, third modified start. This kid was not racing anything as of two years ago. He got in a legend car and I mean, he was on eye racing maybe, but I'm blown away by how fast he's progressing

and how really good, how great of a race car driver he is. But he went there, Priest was driving Tommy's car testing for a modified race that's coming up. And Luke got out of the groove just a little bit. They said he was running a lot of times faster than Priest when he got in the car and just missed the groove a little bit

and almost busted his ass real bad. There's an old saying he ain't hit the wall yet, T.J. Yeah. He almost found out how much his dad would like to kill him if he would have destroyed that race car. But yeah, so it's going to be interesting to see how much that groove can widen out because that was what we fought when we went to Texas.

When they redid Texas, if you left the bottom groove, it was over, like over quick. So hopefully the groove will move out a little bit, and I think it will. But yeah, it's going to be interesting when we go back there. This next one is from Aaron. what is going on with the Ford's and who do they have upcoming in the talent pipeline, such as Zillich, Raja, love.

None of those. But do they need it if everybody else is developing drivers? Man, here's the thing I say about drivers is I feel like if Ford wants to steal a driver, they'll still one, you know, and drivers are usually not the problem these days. It's funding, and the funding is getting better per the model. but Fort probably needs to be a little bit worried. I mean, we're six races in, and not only do they not have a win, they don't have anybody top ten in points except Blaney,

and they're just not fast, they're not relevant. We're going to Richmond this weekend, and when we get asked DBC picks, I'm going to assume we all load up on Toyota's if we're going to pick the fastest cars, because Ford just isn't relevant right now, and I don't know why. I want them to be.

Yeah, they've qualified well, and TJ, I mean, this is a topic for you, but they seem like they qualified well at Vegas. They had good long run speed at Vegas, but then you really haven't seen much since then. And it's got to be worrisome at some point. Is a mile and a half what you need? I'm not sold on that yet. I think we'll see as we get to these other places.

We've had good speed at some mile and a half. So I'm kind of optimistic on that on the mile of half stuff still. I feel like we were pretty competitive there. As far as what my car was, I feel like, and Chris. but yeah I don't I don't know it's hard it's hard to tell yet I'm as far as the pipeline I'm not yeah I mean everyone's there's a there's a big pool of drivers and they're not all going to have places to go so you know I know they don't have the biggest developmental program right now but I don't I don't think finding drivers you know everyone's got their eyes on drivers if you wanted to go

get a Sammy Smith or a Chandler Smith or a Justin Algey or you can't could go get him. I'm sure you could. They had a family feud Saturday. Did they? Sammy and Chandler. Did they? Yeah. Chandler was getting close to my One Idiot Award, I thought, but I think I've got somewhere else to go there. But he's gotten mine many times. Yeah. I mean, to answer the question, I don't know. I don't know of any drivers that are on my lose too. That are in the Ford that are in the Ford pipeline, really.

You know, like, you know, we know Connor's track house. Yeah. There's guys. in the Toyota pipeline. Once Brad's truck team went away, it kind of dissipated. I mean, you see these drivers such as a Jesse Love. Like once they get to a certain point, I mean, Ford, or Chevy and Toyota have spent millions. Where does Jesse go? Have they? Where's Jesse going? Yes, they have. You see it. You of all people see it. What do you think, Brett? Like, where's Jesse go in a year or two? Well, let's look at what happened. Okay. Richard Childers Racing, Ais Chevrolet, went and stole Jesse Love. I mean, he wasn't.

going in that Xfinity car. He wasn't their number one pick to go, but holy cow, he ended up there and I think he's ready. Austin Dillon, how much long is he going to race? The problem is, you've got a guy sitting there

that is obviously more than ready for Cup and is stuck in Xfinity already. So now you're the second guy that's more than ready, stuck there. But Austin Hill could have gone cup racing last year. Yeah, that's true. And he decided not to.

Yeah, I agree. I don't think, and I think if he's sitting there right now looking at the scenario, which he decided not to, pursue he's probably going who yeah glad i didn't right but but i don't know man you got you got two guys at rCR that are probably both going to be cut ready one is now one's going to be in two years with no charters and right now no seats open yeah and listen there's you ain't going to fire kyle bush to put austin hill in a cup there's going to be there's charter movement coming there

you know there's going to be teams acquiring a third charter maybe more than a third chart you know so there's going to be some some seats opening At the same time, there's two, I think, that are going away. So, you know, it's going to be interesting, but there's got to be, if you want a guy, you're going to go get him. That's plain and simple. That's all there is too. How much longer is Brad race, you think? You're guessing.

I don't know. I think he's probably got one more contract in him, however long he wants that to be. But I think he's got one more contract. He's, what, 40? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I think he's got another contract in him. And I think Denny probably does, too.

And he just said he wants to race for himself. Yeah, but I'm saying... You've got to have a charter to do that. Yeah, but I think... Not really. I don't know how many... I don't know how many years that he's got left, but I think Brad and Denny are probably close to the same time frame.

Like, I can see them being pretty close to within a year of each other of being done. But I don't think they're there yet. Do you think if either of them were they get another championship, they'd be done? No, I just think they both want to race to, and they're both really good at what they do, so they enjoy it and they want to do it. They're both... They're both... Not yesterday, maybe, for one of them,

but they're both very competitive, obviously, so there's no reason to back down now. Joshua had a question that's similar to what we talked about, a lot of this show. Lots of folks wanted to remove stage breaks, and if we did, does it make this race more entertaining? What do you guys think? No, I think the race, I don't think it would have been any different.

Like I said, Bell ran the race like we didn't have stage breaks, and I thought it was the better car at the end. But I don't think that they really, had any effect on the race really yesterday there was a little bit of overlap like those guys had to pass a few cars but it wasn't this um this big you know Xfinity and trucker way more you put them guys the guys leading a race like Chandler leads the race wins the stage

you put him in 12th with tires come and you know what I mean so here's here's this I'll get into it now because I'm not going to call him an idiot later maybe Brett will and maybe I'm stealing your one idiot right now but Chandler was a perfect example I thought on Saturday where he forfeited stage points to improve his finish. You know, that's what you're doing. If you're, if you're, if you're, Chandler was in fifth place, I think, all day with the top four guys were the best four.

Chandler hung around fifth all day. Them four definitely pitting because they're only there for one reason, or maybe SVG, but SVG is trying to win that race to get into playoffs. So, you know, you're going to stay out and bank, you can bank 20 stage points and two playoff points if you win those two stages, and then you get wherever you get back to and you're going to, I guarantee if you bank 20 stage points, you're, you're going to, I guarantee if you bank 20 stage points, you're going to be in the top five of overall points for the day. Absolutely.

And then you go in the last state. So now you've forfeited those points. And now you go to last stage because I got track position. I'm good. And you wreck Sammy Smith because Sammy had dumped you earlier. He ran you off the track again. And you kind of square him up and wreck him. And now you ruin your day.

And now you forfeited all the work you didn't first have to give up stage points. And now you're going to end. I don't know where he ended up finishing because of the shit show at the end. But you forfeited 20 points to. to get track position and then you go about it the wrong way and forfeit all that track position by wrecking somebody and tearing your car up. Chandler wrecked the eight again? Yeah, yeah. I haven't seen that before. Chandler, Sammy, Sammy, actually, it wasn't even Sammy. I think it was Austin Hill.

Shove Sammy through Chandler's same place where you got us over there. Was that 16? Yeah. And then later in the race, they had another run in where Sammy kind of ran them wide off of one, I think it was. And then Chandler just kind of looked to me like Chandler got behind him, squared him up. And next thing you know, of course, to be your point, TV-wise, you don't see what happened. You just see the eight spinning and there's damage on the 81, so you know what happened. But you don't, I didn't see exactly that. But Chandler ruined his day, essentially.

After, like, you can't make that mistake. If you got 20 points in the bank, okay. You can make mistakes like that maybe because it doesn't cripple you, but you forfeited those points and now you're going to finish in the back after that. So it's a mistake you can't happen. What an idiot. Sorry, Grant, but I still do it. I've seen you had a couple other on the list.

No, you didn't still want an idiot. I mean, just to elaborate. I literally thought Chandler should have stayed out in one stage two because you left a playoff point on the table, and you're probably not going to beat those four guys that are running in front of you to win the race. And then I literally told him before the race, do not do anything stupid, do not get in a piss and match,

stay on the racetrack all day. That worked. And, I mean, he literally lost his mental composure and that caused him to wreck a race car and screw his day up. So he probably deserves an honorable mention, but I've already gave him that via text. So I think he probably knows where I was telling that. I don't know

TJ you go I have to go with Brandon Jones Oh Why is that? Oh yes you're right I mean you're 100% right You're gonna win the stage and you cut the course From the lead

You got a four second lead Yeah and you cut the course Coming to the green checker Yeah You're right I remember that now Mine's counter zilich Because he had a one second

pole speed ahead of everybody else Blows turn one Makes his day way harder than it should have been. This guy should have won the race by 20 seconds. But he still got the top five. Yeah, he still came back. I think that's okay.

My, I don't, listen, I'm no mechanic. I don't know. I mean, I used to work on modified a little bit here and there, but I'm going to have to give it to who's ever responsible for the entire rear end falling out of the O4 truck yesterday or Saturday. I don't think that's a mechanical way from somebody putting it together. It looked to me like a weld broke, I'm assuming the truck arm weld. but listen I don't know enough to get in the detail but when the I've never seen that before

when the funny thing is I don't know about what the TV was showing but the TVs we had at the racetrack first it looked like a wheel you know it looks like there's a wheel sitting there but you can see like this outline behind it of the second wheel and you're like did he lose two wheels how the hell he lose two wheels and then the camera continues a pan and you're like holy there's the gear the rear end housing there's an entire rear end housing a rear end assembly over in turn 12 oh 50 were still were still the truck arms on the back. That's good.

It was... It was impressive. I've never seen anything later before my life. I heard that he went to first gear and wheel hopped it so bad that it just broke, like it broke stuff. You could see, I don't know, you could see where a well broke, but it was, like, it was something that I've never seen before. I don't know if I want to say this. Brett, congratulations.

You won't again. I don't know if like you're cheating or something. No, I didn't. I got second to law. Who did you have? Oh, just tired of. Reddick, nice fifth, beating y'all. Oh, that's easy.

By one spot. You got to pick first, right? Freddie, you get to pick first. I'm saying Brett that got to pick first last year. Yes, you did. I will take Martin Tricks. That's who I was going to take. I thought you'd be off the table.

Oh, TJ, are you going to suck this week or are you going to be good? I feel like it would be good. We've been pretty good everywhere except for that. I'm going to take Ty Gibbs, and I really hope. he gets us car on Easter. Oh, man, that's two I was going to take. I, man, that was my pick. So I'm going to go with, he's going to go two in a row.

I'm making sure I'm going to go William Byron. Denny Hamlin. Can't believe you all left Danny Hamlin on the table. I already picked them, and he won. So what can we expect in Richmond's? What tire are they taking? I don't know. Yeah, I'm not sure.

What package are they taking? Short track package. So we're taking the Bristol. Well, not the Bristol package. Not the Bristol. We're taking the Phoenix package. Phoenix package. Bristol, okay.

I hope a lot of tire wear. I hope for, I hope they wear out. I hope the green lines out. I hope it's a little better than Bristol, but like to Dale's point, I hope Dale said on his show, I hope the tires wear out before the fuel runs out.

That's the biggest thing I think we need to have happened at these places. I hope we're five back with tires inside, inside. eight back coming quick Easter weekend Yeah They did make it in that race Shout out to some teams too I know Gibbs is one of them

Is flying home I don't know if we're out I haven't heard Gibbs is gonna fly their people home Saturday after whatever the garage closes They did make the Saturday schedule earlier too So that helps So people can be with their families

On Easter morning and then But that's the team doing that obviously A team I don't know how many teams are doing that But shout out to them So you can be home with your family on Easter morning. Yeah. So it's about family time.

Easter Sunday. I'll be at Ocean Lakes and Myrtle Beach. Pumped up. I'll be watching from there. You're going to hide Easter eggs on the beach? Yeah. You bury them in the sand?

Do you still do that? I usually put like some money in the Easter eggs. That's how you incentivize the kids or really get into the Easter egg hunts. You know you haven't? Yeah, there'd always be a little bit and then it'd be like a $20. And you have a $20 egg.

You know you haven't done in a long time? What? Sing your song. Which one? Mertle Beast song. Oh, I forgot about that. song. That's a good song.

Sunny Ledford. I don't ever want to think about that guy because of Cinco de Mayo at the Rusty Rund. Do you remember that? I call Brett. This is like one of the, I mean, not the first time we went out, but like we went to the Rusty Rutter, which is no longer in business. It's called Hello Sailor now. But we went out to Sunny Seas.

Brett had won Elliott run Talladega, right? I think it was that week before Saturday before. Danny had won the Cup race. So Elliot, we. We went out to celebrate for Brett, and it was single to miles. And now we're, of course, obviously there's some drinking. Of course. Sunny Ledford's concert.

Doos is in there with his white jeans and Davey Allison's shirt. And we partook in some celebrating. Well, then he was ordering trays of Fireball. That is a fact. Here's a bad part for me is I left my house at 4 o'clock, Casey, and I looked at my kids, and I said, I'll be home at 8. I got home at 8 the next morning. Anyways, thank you all for listening.

Thanks to Connor for joining us. Be sure to check out Richmond and catch us on YouTube. Follow, subscribe on YouTube. We need to beat Denny's show. I don't know what else we need to do. You got more than we did? Yeah. A little bit.

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