Door Bumper Clear - 325 | Martinsville: Home of the Everlasting Tires

Episode Date: April 8, 2024

This week on DBC, Brett Griffin, Freddie Kraft, T.J. Majors, and Casey Boat recap all things Martinsville. We kick things off with Hendrick Motorsports' historic 1-2-3 finish, coming on the 40th anniversary of the first-ever Cup win for NASCAR’s winningest team. Brett weighs in on why Xfinity races are outshining Cup races, stating, “It’s not supposed to be that way.” Are we witnessing the rise of a new star in Carson Kvapil after his P4 Xfinity debut? Plus, our take on the very public feud between Denny Hamlin and Marcus Smith. Lastly, we tackle the controversial topic of the NextGen car's performance on short tracks and the urgent call for a major overhaul. What changes are needed to ensure the competitiveness of the sport?Episode Highlights HMS’s historic 1-2-3 finish  Are Xfinity races better than Cup? Carson Kvapil’s impressive Xfinity debut Denny Hamlin v. Marcus Smith The NextGen car needs a major overhaul  Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel!  Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

The following is a production of Dirtymoe Media. Still good. By one. Go number dry, man, it'll come to you. Fall asleep on the gate out back. Keep up in top. Here, Buc7. Bottle three.

Bottle three. Go, go, go, go, go. Bucper, clear. Still there, bumper, bumper, clear, clear, clear. What's up, everybody? I'm Gita Majors. Spotter for the 6-Cup car this weekend, the 41 truck, and ran the 88 X-E-8 X-Fadity car again.

You're busy. So busy. Qualpa had a good day. Yeah, we are averaging, what, a 10th place finish with two weeks? That's pretty decent for two first timers. That's pretty good. Brett Griffin, spotter this weekend back in the saddle, Austin Hill at Richard Childress Racing, also went to Cleveland to spot.

The Lady Game, Cox, went an adie yesterday. Yeah, I'm going to have to give TJ one idiot right off the bat because they're averaging a 10th place finish, and they haven't finished worse than 6th with that 88 car yet. I'm not really sure how that one works. Did Bubba finish? I don't know what I was thinking. It was a total of 10.

Yeah, I don't know what I was thinking. Yeah. What's up? Freddie Crafts, spotted for Bubba Wallace. Matt's hard, Freddie. That's especially this time of day. Bubba Wallace, Kyle Sieg, and Ty Dillon this weekend.

You had a good day? I did have a good day yesterday. Finally, first time all year we had a clean race. What's up, Casey? Hey, guys, Casey Boat here. Starting off strong with our math this morning. Well, congratulations to Hendrick Mothersports on their 1, 2, 3 finish at Martin's Bill Speedway.

Nobody saw that. Who knew all they had to do is paint their cars red to make them haul ass. Ruby Red, by the way. They mentioned out a few times. How was the weekend otherwise? Did you see Jeff Bodine?

Yeah, he actually had a little table set up. Inside the gate signing autographs next to like a Hendrick show car. I mean, that's a guy that's 100% lucky to be alive. Yes, for sure. For one. And two, man, I remember watching that Levi Garrett car back in the day. God, that was cool.

Yeah, he's been involved in, I mean, I mean, what, the late 80s? I mean, that whole era there. Shemong, New York, right? Yeah. Mm-hmm. Their house is right. There's this racetrack in Shemong,

call in Shemong Speedway or something like that. And they're, I think the Bodine family house is like just off the back straightaway there. Was he the first guy to really come down to the south and actually be successful in a cup car? From like that modified world? Yeah, probably. I think so.

You know, him, yeah, he was before Spencer, you know, I mean, I'm not successful he's called Spencer. He won races. But, yeah, he was probably the first one, I would say. Yeah, that's cool. Well, he just had the, you know, I think he had the rival, you know, and obviously the racket. Where was it?

Wilkesboro. So we can thank him for all you damn Yankees being down here now. He's probably the start of it. Yeah. Yeah. Got to thank somebody. I'm surrounded by you. I'm in a Yankee sandwich over here, Casey.

Congratulations. Yeah. What's I tell you? Super fun. Two of us, one of you already. We know how boring our day was yesterday How was your day yesterday? My day was really good, man.

I've been to a lot of sporting events, been to a men's final four men's championship game. Saw North Carolina beat Gonzaga years ago. I think it was 2017. But to have your team in it, man, that's super cool. And to win three national championships, that was my buddy, Chris Matlock, I was with him.

And he said his new nickname is three rings, spelled with a Z. So, man, it was super cool. I mean, Cleveland is a really cool. for those of you that haven't been. They've done a lot of stuff downtown to make it more fun. So I was reading all the tweets on how great the cup race was. It was amazing.

Yeah. Absolutely amazing. I mean, you started off with the comment on boring. Let's, you know, let's dive into that a little bit. If you were a Hendrick fan, you loved the race yesterday because all you saw was them guys up front. Right. But you obviously had a strong finish. Was it boring from your standpoint or just overall?

I mean it's it's just it's just frustrating that you know you can't pass and you know I thought we had a very good car which we did and you know we could we could catch the leader every run but you know we caught Larson at the end of traffic all you had to do was basically bide your time and wait for the guys in front of you to catch traffic and then you know then you would catch them and then hopefully you could pass them in traffic and that was pretty much the whole race you couldn't just run somebody down to pass them it's felt like the Byron they they flipped a switch probably, I don't know, it was before the last pit stop, maybe like 150 to go or something like that, 125 to go. I kind of saw him coming. Like he ran down whoever was behind us. I think it was maybe Larson and caught him before the pit stop. And we were running fourth or fifth. And I saw, when we came out of the pits, we were all back together again because we all

pit together. Like three of us, I think us Larson and Chase pit together. Danny waited an extra lap. Byron pitt the lap before us. And when he came out of the pits, like he had, he passed us, I think, down the back. straightaway as we were blending. But then, like, he spent the next five laps just cutting through traffic. Like, and that was the race, really, because you knew whoever could get out front and that

would, like, me and TJ talked about before the run, like, you'd restart and wherever you cycle to that, you know, wherever you fell in line on that restart, that's where you were going to run until late we paid or you got a caution or something. So, like, when he made that, he was, like, he was the only one. He cut right through traffic, drove to the lead and then drove away. It was whatever they, you know, Rudy or him found the second or last adjustment, they, they hauled ass the second half of that race. But, yeah, I mean, it's just, TJ, I'm sure you're day.

I mean, you were back there. I've never seen TJ. T.J hit the rail yesterday. His hands probably bruised because he was punching the rail all day yesterday. Because we were not very good. And when you're in the high teens, low 20s and it's a fight. Well, we couldn't, I mean, we struggled on restart. It's really bad.

Just off. I mean, just one of them days. You have them, you know, occasionally. And that's the first time we've had a really long time. And it was miserable, but, you know, we fought through it. I think we ended up like 24th. So it could have been worse. I mean, you didn't DNF.

You didn't, you know, we were still, I was hoping everybody pit at the end. We could have got to wave around and, which we'll talk about everyone not pitting except for one car here shortly, I think. But just rough. We just get used up. When people know, when people know that you're just off that day, they don't waste time with you. And, you know, you go into the corner and, you know, you go into the corner and, you know, guys going there like you're not there on the outside because they don't want and you mean that you had to go too so i don't blame them for doing it i probably would too but it's just not a fun day going back to

cars staying out with like 100 plus lap tires i think joey's ran 180 plus 160 wasn't it 180 yeah i'm pretty sure that's what they said on the broadcast i mean we all know we i feel like we're hearing the same thing every week after a short track race except for maybe we Bristol. What's the issue with short track racing? Here's what I'm tired of. I'm tired of hearing about what we're going to do to fix the short track package and we haven't fixed it. We're going to go test this. We're going to go test that. Like we talked about before here, especially this is another example of it and we saw a little bit of Phoenix. We go to, we go to Martinsville to test. Well, you know what that does? Makes everybody better. So I looked down yesterday at lap 100 of a run.

And literally the five cars in front of us and the five cars behind us ran within a half of tenth of each other. Yeah. Like we ran like an 18 and everybody in front of us ran lower than a 24 and everybody behind us ran, you know, it was like from a 20 to a 24 was like the number right there. Like you know, whatever, we're 21 or 20, you know. And it was everybody was a half a 10th.

I'm like Bubba like I noticed he was like moving around trying to find speed. I'm like, dude, you're the same speed as a leader. Like you're just, that's all we got. Like everybody's running the same speed. You're not going to gain. You're not going to lose. Just don't make a mistake because I mean, that's the frustrating part for me is I get it. Like you fire off.

We've seen it multiple times in any race track, really. The race starts, everybody's kind of the same speed. But when you get to lap 100 of a run, there should be some discrepancy. Like, you know, there should be somebody who took care of their stuff better than others or whatnot. But, I mean, you look at the whole top 10 was like within, like I said, like a half a tenth of each other. It's like, God Almighty, we tested it. And we saw it when we tested. Like everybody's the same.

Like, I think Briscoe tweeted like he tweeted before the race. You know, holy cow, look how cool it is that the poll winner and 30. six were only four tenths apart. I'm like, yeah, that's great, but that's going to be a big problem. Also, yeah. Like, that's going to be the whole race. You're not going to be able to make up any time. Green flag, check a flag.

Everyone stays where you're at. Yeah, it was, and I mean, it's just, that's like, anytime anybody asks me, what's my favorite cup track to go to, it's, it's, it's, it's still is, but, man, it's just, it's not what it used to be. Yeah, like, you can't do anything, really. It's just kind of stuck. Yeah, like, there's just no, and there's no finesse to it. It's literally,

you drive as hard as you can every single lap and that's it and there's no you can't you don't have any technique to that track anymore there's no there's no driver technique there's where the rubber lays out but you know like it used to be um you know okay watch this guy yeah he's a little slower right now but in 40 laps or 50 laps or even 70 laps it's like look out he's going to be fast the last 20 of a run no there's none of that anymore there is no there is no you know this guy's better you know, on the throttle a little bit, and he can save a little bit of tire. I mean, it's just, it's just, I don't know, I hate it. Like, it used to be way more of, I mean, you used to go to Martin's zone,

just people would struggle. I'm not saying it's still a very hard track. You struggled under braking. You struggled to lay the gas now. Yeah, it was hot. You struggled to rotate the center. Yes, it was tough. Yeah.

And gas will push you around a little bit. Now, I mean, we're literally running, running slot cars around there, and there's no, if your car is super fast, there's no technique to it anymore. There is no having to learn how to race. But there is an exfinali race. The Xfinity race is really good. And I wish you could just put

900 horsepower in an Xvini car and let all the cup guys drive them because that would be a phenomenal race. You see, like we talked about it last week on here about mistakes, like how many times we go to Martinsville and somebody would wheel hop into a corner and back it in the fence and practice, you know, half the time. You know, like Stenhouse was famous for doing it if I felt like.

Yeah. And like, obviously, there was no instance. this week in practice. There was no incidents really in the race except for maybe guys running each other over or having issues with wheels falling off or whatnot. But you know,

you see lap one of Xfinity practice. Chandler goes in and locks, makes a mistake and pays for it. Like the lock, breaks lock up and he ends up in the fence. Like, don't worry, it gets easier,

Chandler. Yeah, yeah. Like, it's supposed to. And it's not supposed to. Now, you shouldn't go,

like, college shouldn't be harder than the NFL. No. You know what I mean? It is. It is. Yes. That is going to be the best analogy

that we probably give you, during this entire year. Appreciate it. It's not supposed to be that way. Yeah. It's just, yeah, I don't. There's no,

like, well, there's just no mistakes. I mean, even doing anything. Well, Trey Ryan on Twitter, um, he sent me a stat and Freddie a stat that there's only nine total D&Fs over the last six races.

Just the fewest ever in NASCAR history. When you look at Martinsville, you look at Richmond, you look at leaving those tracks. You expect attrition. I mean, you don't expect every single car to finish every single, fucking week.

No, I mean, that's what I said last week about, I think Corey, I think Corey, finished last and he was four laps down. Like that's unheard of. You know what I mean?

Especially in a short track. Yeah. And then this week there's, did anybody, nobody, was anybody on to the race this week? 42. Oh, the 42. Yeah. That's it.

I think. Maybe the 66. No, 6 broke after. Yeah. The 66 yesterday. When is the last time we had a blown motor? I think, no, I don't remember when we blew one. I don't, I mean, I don't either.

I remember we blew one at Sonoma because I ended up up, I went to the bar and came back up to the spotter stand. I don't know if that was this car or not. You blew one in the Xfinney series, but it doesn't count. Yeah, I don't. Your buddy blew on a big house. I don't. I just, it's, it's, I mean, I remember the Cup series it being a thing.

I mean, you'd watch a car grenade and then you'd literally look around and go, oh, or his teammates going to blow up too. Yeah. You know, like those days are gone. Are they trying something here? I'll tell you what they're in. Thank God they made that race 400 lap yesterday because another 100 was just going to. I mean, they might as well shorten the next one, too, while we're at it.

It's just a, it's just. people, new fans don't know what they're missing, obviously. You know what I mean? You don't really know. You don't, it's hard to describe. Yeah, but new fans aren't going to stick around if it's a parade. Yeah, I don't. I mean, there's just no, imagine Xanity car with even more power and better drivers.

I mean, it's going to be, you can, when, man, guys hit each other in the corners in these cup cars, and it doesn't even. It launches them forward. Yeah, and there's not like, I don't know, there's just. So that, that, that, that. last pit stop. Obviously, I think a lot of us were hoping for more of a surprise and how many people would pit. Denny pitted, which, I mean, obviously it wasn't ideal for him. What would change that will allow more of a strategy or more something, something that people would be willing to try? It's just a tire. I mean, it would be unheard of years ago. We had 100 laps on our, 100,000 laps on

our tires. We pit with 102 to go. And the green white checker, it was a green white checker. So we had a 102 laps plus, you know, whatever those yellow laps are. You were pitting. You had to come. That was unheard of to stay out on old tires like that, especially with, I think there was 14 or 15 cars in the lead lap at that point. So it's not even like a huge pet. It's not like you're going back to the 25th if you pit.

Like, you're going to be a worst 15th. And that kind of played in the Denny's. I was reading Gayhart's comments about why they pit. And it was basically like, well, we're not going to, we already have two wins. We're not going to win from fourth on the same tires. So if them guys all stay out, you might as well come because fourth and tenth are essentially the same to us. You know, you're giving up six points, but in the grand scheme of things, just trying to, and Denny, you know, their hope is probably that if, if people

see Denny coming, they follow them, you know. I think that's what he's hoping for, for sure. And I thought they would. Yeah. I, like, we were, immediately were like, we're not coming. Like, you can't. Like, there was, where were you running? We were fifth or six. Yeah, yeah, your top five, I don't think you're pitting. But if you're, how many, there weren't a lot of cars in the lead lap. That's what I'm saying. There's 15. Yeah, so if you're back half of the top 10, why not pit? And even some of them guys didn't come. Like, I was surprised that. You know, I can't remember there was who was back there, maybe Briscoe. But like, like, Redick actually, I think Redick was, Redick and Priests were probably the only two that really benefited from it.

But they didn't, I mean, they gained two spots. It was like, I think Brettick was running 11th and came out and finished fourth. And it was just really because he was super aggressive. They should have been like knifeing through there. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Back of the day, they would have, you know, had a chance to win, basically from 11th even, you know, as bad as that was. But it's just, it's just like when I, like, it was not that I questioned it.

Like, the yellow came out and then booties are, we're staying out. And I was like, okay. I knew he was like. Initially, you're like, wait, we're staying out on it. And then you're thinking about it. You're like, yeah, might as well. why not? I knew it was going to be bad in practice.

Whenever you look at the lap times, everyone's lap times were dropping the same amount. I knew we, in practice, we were really good all weekend, like our car hauled ass. And we ran Cindrick down. He was a straightaway in front of us. We ran him down and could not pass him for 30 laps. Bowman caught us from behind, and then we finally got around Cindrick, and Bowman followed us by him, and then we put a straightaway back on Bowman.

And it was like, okay. The only thing that made that race, not that it was great, but the only thing that helped that race yesterday was that it was warm and it was sunny, and it laid a little bit of rubber, so gas could run up a little bit and turn down, and that enabled a little bit of passing.

And if it was cold and cloudy, it probably doesn't do that. And, man, it's going to be really bad at that point. I was going to say, we go back there in what, October? Xfinity 500 has historically been one of the most exciting races leading into the championship race. do you see any changes taking place prior to then? I hope the tire.

Why don't I just bring the bristle tire? Let us figure it out. You know what I mean? I promise you these guys are smarter enough to make that thing get where they want it to. You can see it even in Xfinity. Like, I don't know, there's a different tire, obviously. But you would go out and it's like it's not, the pace doesn't slow down. It almost seems like the pace doesn't slow down because of where.

It slows down because of heat. Because the Xfinity guys, you would go out and you'd run 20 laps, and your pace would slow down, I don't know, three-tenths, four-tenth, something like that, you'd come in, make an adjustment, and then go back out and run your fastest lap. Like, you know, after the tires cooled back down and you made an, obviously, you made an adjustment to make your car better, but it seemed like everybody would come in, you know, run, run, run, come in, and then go back out and run a tenth faster than they ran the whole time, and then they would have the same fall off.

So it was like, it wasn't like the tires were worn, they were just getting hot, and then, you know, it would be. But it used to be like that. We used to know if you come out on cold tires, run a couple quick laps, then you fall right back off to where you were kind of running. I remember, I feel like you never really ran faster than your fastest. I mean, you would run faster than you stopped that, but you wouldn't run your best lap. You shouldn't run your best lap.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That's what the Xfinity guys were doing. It's not for us anyway. But it's also weird there, the way the track rubber's up and stuff too. Like it also adds into the how the times run. Like second group and cup practice is always going to be slower because it lays a bunch of rubber and stuff. well before we had into the spot-on-spot-off we could shift gears to the infinity race mentioned Carson running incredibly well I mean what do you guys think how

was how was it adjusting to working with Carson? Ah just no different than the week before with Bubba you got a first-time guy and Martin's still a tough place to go but you just go over everything and he's been there before so it wasn't it wasn't like you know he doesn't have any laps around a place he's got many laps around there in a light model but this is a much bigger show than the late mall race big show in a late mall for sure but like this is you know much bigger show and um he did good he raced the racetrack all night he didn't really um he didn't really buy in anything that was going on around him if somebody called him and ran him down there was no pressure he let him go um he drove a very smart and um he was able to settle in

he was able to settle in the long run i wish we had a longer run because every time he'd get rolling there the caution would come out and he'd get up into the top five and the cost will come out for the stage or a wreck or something and we would have to you know pit and we've we've struggled on pit road quite a bit so uh just losing that track position him having to make it back up but he did a really good job i think carson uh he's got a lot of talent and um racing against a lot of guys would experience yeah he and honestly he looked he didn't have a run with anybody like all night long and there was plenty of opportunity for it he didn't buy any of it we actually took the outside and a

last three restarts took a big risk with it because you know of them last couple that you know where cars usually end up is in the second and third lane so yeah but we don't have anything to lose you know we moved up a road to take them spots and we kind of got lucky it worked out and he he got through there and and um but yeah the car was was basically clean all night yeah as big of a wreck as i've ever seen at margisville oh that wasn't as big as the one that del junior drove through yeah that was bigger than that. I mean, Del June, that wreck, I thought we were wrecked six different times. Yeah. That was, I don't even, did Brandon miss a shift?

He had to him. He had to him because he stopped. Yeah, he was on the outside of us. And I noticed, like, we kept going and he didn't. I'm like, that restart was jacked from well before we even went green because, so you know this and nobody at home knows this. But we're rolling around and right before one to go, they call out the penalty cars. And they said, I forget who, who, who, and the 98's a penalty car. So, all right. we're choosing one to go choose so the 98 never moves nothing else is said on the radio we're coming through three and four 98's a penalty car 98 dropped to the tail he don't move he chooses

so now everybody he's running mid-pack i mean i would say top 10 sixth eighth maybe something like that he takes the top so now for all of us we count like we have to count everybody behind him you screwed so now i'm like damn it like this this guy just now like we choose based on him in the outside lane because it's shorter because it's one less car that's supposed to be up there. So we go up there, come down the backstretch. Nothing else was said about the 98. The whole roll down the backstretch, nothing else has said. We go green.

Nine misses a shift. We all wreck. All right. So now we're all down at our official Kyle. And we're like, Kyle, what's going on? Like they just said, oh, no, they took the penalty back. Well, nobody told us that they took the penalty back. So then they're like, oh, yeah, they reviewed it and rescinded the penalty.

Okay. whatever, fine. Then they go back to, you know, we're sitting there under red while they clean up. They go back to yellow. They're like, bring the 98 down pit road. He's got a penalty.

Like, well, did he have a penalty or not? Or you guys just let him restart the second or up there on the top. You know, I was like, then they had to, I mean, that race.

Way to rerack at one time. Yeah. Is that when they had to reroute? No, no, that wasn't it. That was like they should have done that at that time, but they didn't or at least move the 98 out of line.

They did not do that. And then they one time, they called the, I heard the choose. get called in like the restart zone. Oh yeah. And the front two guys go to the top. The front two guys are just up there like,

still warming their tires and they go top. Whoever was third or fourth, they bailed it about the eight. We went to the, they and us went to the bottom. Like, oh, we got third.

And I mean, the guys on the roof were going nuts because, especially the leaders. And I was like, oh, man, they realized luckily they realize. And I'll give him credit because I don't think in past they might have done this,

but they realized, okay, we screwed up, put everybody back single file. So we were told that. you rewracked them because the spotters didn't hear that it was a choose. Well, I mean, we didn't. If he said it, we didn't hear it.

But when I heard it, he didn't say choose all the way. I think he said coming to the one to go. And then they never, you know, they always say, all right, we're choosing this lap. Because you always look at the flagman. When that guy rolls that flag up most of them, that's what I look at a lot. But I heard choose in like, but it was late like right before we got to the box. And I don't know if he said. it down the backstretch and we didn't hear it. That's what he's referring to us not hearing it.

But I heard him say it late. But yeah, that was and then, but to their credit, at least they fixed it because it could have been, you know, a lot worse. But man, what a, that truck race. Oh, don't get me sorry. Oh, geez. Like, did you watch truck race? I did. Oh, my God. I think Lane's still trying to finish. Lane Riggs could not have been outside of anybody worse than he was all night. Like, whoever he got outside of got dumped. And into him,

and then he spun out. Well, that's not exactly. Well, the two times, I don't know. I didn't, I spun out 27 times, so I didn't see all of them. But the two times I saw, he was outside of somebody, like I think the die kid punted the 97 or the 76 into him.

And then somebody else had seen got punted up into him. I seen Scott. I was walking to the elevator, and Scott was walking next to me. He's like, well, here we go. And I was like, good luck. And that's the tough, and we kind of knew it going in with Lanes,

a very aggressive driver, really talented kid. But this is like, you know, you get places where you've been before and think that I need to show out here. And that's one of them places for Lane, I think. And it makes it worse. And it makes it worse sometimes because it feels you put this unwanted pressure on yourself to go out and perform. And then it seems like nights like that come out of that. Yeah.

He like into the things that you do in situations like that is we were racing with him. First time he gets to us, Bailey's on the outside. And Bailey's fairly, I mean, he doesn't, he's a clean driver. I don't think he really, I mean, I haven't seen him really run over anybody. And, like, Lane just throttles up and runs us into the wall off of four. Like, just drives until we both hit. And so Bailey goes back down there and bumps him out of the way. It just moves them up the track like you, like they would.

And it goes by and then Lane's all mad. And then the spotter asks to explain to him, was probably because you just ran him into the fence off of turn four. And then here we come to the checker and we're outside of him again. And guess what he does again? for like 20th. Like, Judge in offense again.

Yes. Maybe it's the top 20 bonus. Like, but like, what, what is the point of it for like 20th? You know what I mean? Like, you're, and you, so Bailey, I'm yelling at Bailey after the race. Bailey is like chasing him down. Like, just stop. Just don't do anything.

And like, but it's just not worth it. Like, that's, you have a chance. And this is one thing that me and Carson talked about and Andrew the crew chief. You have a chance when you go to Martinsville. If you're good there, if you race the racetrack only and don't get caught up into the other stuff, You have a chance to prove yourself that you look like you belong right here. And you don't go to these places where you feel like you should show out, like Freddie said, and you look bad.

And there's two opposites right there. You know, Carson went there and raced the racetrack. Somebody was faster. He said, you know, all guy ran him down. He said, go ahead, buy. In one corner. And, you know, you get outside of lane. He's driving guys into the fence.

And it's just not worth it. You have a chance at a place you should. A top five there, lane was fast enough to run top five. like he was fast enough to run top five all he had to do is race to track instead of race you've seen the truck race at Martin's one before it's terrible

I'll tell you what else Lane did I thought it was funny it was you know we kind of knew resarts we're going to be cracked down on this week for some reason like I told my research has been under review

so I thought it was funny that Ty got a penalty for changing lanes too soon late in the race we were running like 10th and it was a legit penalty I had like seven penalties

yeah we had we we we we we couldn't help but get penalties. We were trying to collect them for later. But my problem with it is, I have no problem with them penalizing us because what we did was wrong. But then I go and look at video and the 38, and I know this, you guys both know this,

like when you get a long line, a lot of penalty trucks, there's a long line that's not covered. You know, like it was the bottom line. Oh, yeah. So there's like seven or eight trucks in line on the bottom with nobody outside of them. Yeah, all penalties.

So off of four, they come to green. and I always tell my guy, like, make sure, I know it's very tempting because there's nobody out there, but make sure you stay in line until the start, you know, start, finish line. Off a four one time, I see the 38 just come out of four, jump to the top, drive by like three trucks down the front straight away. And I'm like, no penalty for changing lanes there, I guess, whatever. Then I see another guy did basically the same exact thing that I did. You know, there's just, there's other guys doing it.

And it's like, I don't mind you calling penalties. But if you're going to call it on one guy, you better call it on everybody because that's what's going to happen. And somebody's going to pull up footage of somebody doing the exact same thing. or somebody doing it even more blatantly, and they don't get penalties. So why is that? Like, I don't get it. Truck race started off so good, too.

The first part of it was really good. And then it's like, I told even it was, once we got to about halfway, when them guys pit, you know, because it was, them guys were another,

tires didn't matter. You were going to pit, you could have like three or four sets. You had three sets laying. Everybody was planning on pinning one time. It was like, so the like, Hime and Echus and them got to lap 100 stage,

put tires on and they were done pinning. And I was, but they were mid-pack. And I told Ty, I was like, this is probably when the show is getting ready to start. Because them guys are trying to get back up there. And this is where you get.

And from that point on, it was, I felt like a caution every five laps. Brett, are you willing to admit that you're wrong? Because I believe last week... That's a dumb question. You're an idiot.

I believe last week you had some doubts on Carson. I have doubts on anybody going to Rortonsville for the first time. And I don't care how many laps you run on a late model. Every time you move up into a C-Rourts. series, it's fucking hard. That is a hard. That is a hard race track. And I've seen extremely talented drivers.

The guys who went on to be ultra successful at Martinsville, like Adele Jr. His first race, he hit everything but the pace car. So I was super impressed with Carson's outing. And obviously, TJ's spotting skills guided him into an amazing finish. I don't think it's, there's a lot of, there's a lot of, there's a lot of mental stuff that goes into it. Like, if you can get the kid to go. there to he's really good he's really talented already but so if you can get a guy just to focus on

his what he's good at like bubba at richmond he was really good at just running low disciplined himself and saving his tires and it turned in um richmond's good because it turns into a long run at the end and you got guys that can show that and that was his strength and he played to it and it worked out well and same thing with martinsville you got to not get caught up in the i thought that i thought the i thought the sphany guys actually put on a really good show without without cleaning each other out bad and not just destroying race cars. They did a really good job. Carson played to his strengths there, and it worked out.

JRM cars were also very, very, very fast. They made a great call, all of them, except for mayor. Mayor was too, I think he was running too far forward, but they all made a great call at that first caution, which was lap 30, something like that. They all came down pit road and then flipped the stage and it got all, because they all had to start in the back, they had a crack. I think all of them had a crack road. It was like 20 to go to stage, whatever it was.

that there's a 20 to go and they they all got all that track position back right there and then they could maintain it the rest of the day and I think what you know last week of brett said like he's like cars is going to get his ass kick I don't think he meant like on the race track like speed wise he just meant getting pushed around and if he and if he ran the race the way tj's talking about what that does is gain respect of the guys you're racing so that they don't really have to push you you know if he tries to hold off all guy or maybe not all guy's a bad example because the teammate but you know if there's somebody coming with speed and he's trying to hold them off and block him that's when you're going to get your ass kick that's when you're going to get shoved up to

racetrack but like if you start letting guys go and they see that you're you know racing them cleanly and you're gaining respect right there then they're not going to they're going to be less inclined to boot you the next time they come to you well that's what we talked about i said you have a chance right here to set the tone on how these guys are going to race you this is you know somebody runs you down we've landed we had to do it twice and it worked out both times one time was a team mate the second time i forget who it was but he i mean he gained a lot of respect for guys he didn't run anybody and i mean it was a very successful race for him i thought it was funny uh listening to some of guys. I'm friends with a lot of the JGR guys, obviously. And they were talking about Eric Amarola,

who was obviously like in a, he's obviously, congrats to him, finally got rid of that. Asterix off his Xfinity win. So he's got his own win now. I don't have to share anything with Danny. But, you know, he's over. Which is great, right? Yeah, he's great. He's over there in like a mentorship role for the younger drivers. And they're kind of like, you're like, yeah, in that race, he did everything he told us not to do. Like he tells him don't play games on a restart. He's been the king of the Xfinity series right now playing games. He looks like Joey in the front row like waiting, waiting or slowing down and going.

Like the stacks the field up. We end up piling in the back of each other. You know, booting teammates out of the way. I don't know what the hell he was thinking about when he chose the top. I thought he messed up. I couldn't believe he chose the top. I thought they were switching. I thought when I seen that play out, I'd seen, they go green.

Originally, he picks top. I go, it must be a teammate restart. So then they go into one and Chandler races the hell out of it. I'm like, I guess it's not a teammate restart. Then Chandler gets clear and he goes in the next corner and punts Chandler up the racetrack. And I'm like, okay, maybe it was supposed to be a teammate restart. And Chandler didn't went back on it like old Dustin did. And that's why he's mad.

And so I went down to Tyler the next yellow and I'm like, is that supposed to be a T's like no? Or I said to the landlord. I said, no, no, we just, he just picked the top. I was like, I could not believe he. I was like, what is he doing? I actually chose the outside because I thought they were doing a team and restart. And then we would, whenever that jammed the bottom up, we gained, maybe.

maybe pinch somebody and holy cow and i'm like okay they're racing we're going to race it out of i couldn't because i you know it had and it was right after i think it was like the restart after they had to do the re-rack and he had he was going to end up on top there and i was like i was baffled i was like oh my god i'll tell you what i was baffled at was how many times those three cars hit each other oh god are they they're like magnets and then i'm going to have to take i'm going to tell sheldon creed he's got to go to my buddy jimmy blue it's driving school of how to move people out of the way and benefit from it. Because he...

He's trying to... You can't be half a nice guy. Like, you've got to... If you're going to move somebody, move them. You can't try to do it nicely because all you do is end up hurting yourself. There's a couple times where he... I can see him, like, he's like not fully committed. It's like, just get rid of the guy.

He's got like the... He's like, I'm going to... I got kid gloves on here. Let me push you a little bit. And then he doesn't do it hard enough. And then he puts himself in a bad spot. But those cars, good Lord. I mean, they were wailing on each other there.

Chandler and Sheldon. Yeah, that was a good show. That was fun to watch. I seen a good battle. SVG and Jeb were going back at it again. That was pretty funny. Yeah. Yeah, they were going at it.

They're going to have that. I hate I missed it. I miss that. His interviews, SVG's interviews. I forget what he said about it. It's a good fun is what he called. He's like, this is good fun. I'm out there beating him back.

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Spot off. Spot off. Spot off. It was super fun yesterday to ride around there. I am spot off. Damn. Where do you come from? Moving on to spot on, spot off. Fans should actually be excited for Texas after the two short track races

we just endured. Brett. Boy, this is an interesting mile and I have to come up at this point in the year, right? I mean, Texas has been come under a lot of fire of not being a, quote, great race for these cup cars. And we haven't come, we haven't been back there in the spring or this early in a while, right? Yeah, so, man, it's going to be a lot of weight. It's going to be a lot of weight in C for me. I hope it's, and here's the thing about Texas Motor Speedway.

You're in the corner longer at Texas Motor Speedway. than any other mile and a half we go to. The corners are very long, very sweeping corners. So, man, it's going to be interesting to see what happens. The best thing that we can hope for is that there is tire wear and that the groove widens out. But, man, it's been a hot minute since we've had a good cup race at Texas. Yeah.

The question of, am I excited to go to Texas? That fans should be excited after these short track races. I don't know if you're ever excited to go to Texas right now. I mean, I know the last two races were not good. As a fan watching what to expect. Well, the problem is it's a lot of times it becomes a bigger version of Martinsville. Like you're just kind of following each other around because you can't really do anything. Timing your run.

Yeah, you're trying to time runs. So, you know, maybe. I mean, like, I'd be a fan to be excited because the last two have been boring. So you're hoping for something better, but I don't know that you're going to get it. We might say that in the last three next week. Yeah, that's my point. I'm a... Well, then you had to Talladega, so it should be a little different.

I'm spot on. I think, well, it's going to be rough, I think. I don't expect too wide a lot. There's going to be tricky. There's going to be a little cushion there. The only exciting part is going to be when somebody jumps the cushion a little bit. But you'll see that more on Saturday than you will. Here, Jeff Gluck's poll right now is 68% of people said Martinsville was not a good race.

Wow, it's actually, because when I voted it was 75. But here's what I want. Here's what I want to get to. when you look at all the races that we've run this year, track house won Atlanta, which was somewhat of a wild card race. Every other race has been won by Hendrick or Gibbs. So when they came out with this car,

it was parity, more chances to win. Well, guess what? That ain't it. William Byron has figured out how to win. Danny Hamlin has figured out how to win. But those two organizations are winning all the races. So if you're looking at Texas and expecting to see somebody new running up front, no it's not going to be i think it's yeah i don't you're gonna be the there's less

chance of a wild card the further we get into this yeah so i do think you know i do think there's um i do think a ryan i think ryan blaney will be fast there he's just really good there he just knows how to get around there i think um um i'm optimistic about our speed there i think we've been we were good there last year but this new car i don't know if everything is translated over quite yet. But I feel I'm optimistic about our speed. I'm glad there's not much practice. Well, I was about to say.

Practice will be in the morning. So what, I mean, how will that be, like, I imagine temperature, tired, all that should be different for the race, which is in the afternoon on Sunday, right? I don't know how much different it will be. What time in the morning is it? I think it's like 9.30. Yeah. I just know.

930 practice. I just, I know. Do they not know I'm coming back this week? I want to do a 930 practice. They just don't want you to go out the night before. I want to do 1130. It's an earlier exfini race, so I think so. Saturday I'm going a high limit race is at the track.

Oh, they are. At the dirt track. Oh, that's awesome. Really? So we're going to go see Tyler and Windham. And then Dugger's playing a show after that. So probably over there hanging out. But yeah, I don't know how much that's going to affect.

Brad said he wants more practice that it's not saving teams money to not practice. Do you see that? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I don't know. I don't think it would hurt. How is it not saving teams money, though? Like, you don't have to buy.

Because what they're doing is they're taking the money that they are saving and having to spend it on simulations. And, you know, it's not, it's not, you know, you're not spending the same on practice. It's just the fact that they're, you're not going to, and we said this when they talked about, you know, we're going to save teams money. You're never going to save teams money because all they're going to do,

they're going to spend every dollar they can to go, faster. So if they're saving X over here by not practicing, that's just going to get relocated to, you know, reallocated to, okay, we're going to put this much more into, we're going to hire two more engineers or, you know, whatever it is. You're never going to save them money. Like they're, unless you put some crazy cap on them, which I don't think is, you know, a good idea. But the, the, you're never, like, they're just going to take the money and spend it somewhere else. Whatever they save here is going to move over here. So it's just. Well, that and the bigger teams, obviously, you know, right off the truck, who's going to unload faster? motor sports or aspire motor sports. Yeah. Yeah. Hendrick. So, and if how much from practice to race, the Hendrik cars are probably not gaining

much, you know, speed-wise. They might gain, probably not really anything. Now, if a seven, you know, anybody, seven, whoever unloads and they're off a little bit and they have a practice. They need practice. They need practice to close that gap up. Yeah. So they can get, if they get,

if they make their car five or 10% better, that makes them that much more competitive in the race. Now, the gap's not getting further at that point. It's getting closer because the hinder cars aren't getting better. But is that a good thing? That's why that's my stance on less practice because we don't want them getting closer. We want people to miss.

If we get everybody, if we give you three hours of practice like we used to have, and everybody gets to within a half a tenth of each other like we were yesterday. Like that's a bad race. I mean, when you guys had a ton of practice, it's not like we got to that point either. just because all the cars are close doesn't mean

there isn't a way to fix that though because Bristol is a prime example everyone can be Bristol everyone qualifies right on top of each other how about how close are they at Bristol? I'll bet the top 30 are within what three tenths probably closer there and then you go to the race

guess what the driver comes into play and one he's got to manage his stuff if you find a way to mix that in there where the driver actually comes into play and managing his he's got to manage that speed. You got a lot of speed, but you better manage it. Now, that takes a lot between the years at that point, too, and these guys have to figure it out. I think if you add that element in there, I mean, that's what we mean. That's what we're missing in my opinion. Yeah, from a fan experience,

I'm looking at the schedule. It looks like the Cup Series garage opens at 1.30 on Friday. Nothing on track Friday for the Cup series. Having grown up in Pageland, South Carolina, and having Darlington, Rock and Ham, Charlotte, a lot of tracks close to me, within an hour. hour, hour and a half, we've never, we never one time loaded up our car and drove to those tracks to watch an Xfinity series practice. We drove to those tracks to watch Cup Series practice. Yeah. And if it just so happened, there was an Xfinity series practice that day. Great. So be it. I'm over the belief we got to put these big stars back on the race track more, period. Yeah. And even if even if you have to run, you know,

if you have to run with, we need other things running. Like, in my opinion, like, you go to Loudoun. What's the difference, T.J., and having this schedule, instead of opening at 1.30, open at 1130, and then once you finish tech, do a practice that afternoon. I think you get open. If you don't have enough officials to do that, that's your problem. Yeah, I don't know. I think they have a, I do think it's because they have a certain process with officiating and tech

and stuff like that. But, you know, I was going to say, you know, we used to go to Loudon, and how many races were right oh my gosh when you went to loud they started eight in the morning and they didn't stop till dark but you had you had like two races on friday you had two three races on Saturday and the big race was on Sunday yeah yeah and those people I mean they got a full weekend of racing they did I think it's cool that the high limits is running there that's a big that's a big deal for them they'll get a lot of industry people to go to that race for sure and it's cool so but we need we need people we need things we need things on the track I don't like this

This weekend, we could have had, you know, I listened to my godfather teammate, Herm, he tells me how things are a lot. He says we need more races like it. We should add anything, a late mall race or something at Martinsville before a 50-lap race or something. Starting the race so late, we could have had a race at 11 o'clock there or just something. Well, they've never run a race on the same day as a cup race. I mean, they do have the truck race on first. So there's something going on.

Yeah, but what I just tell you? I never packed up my car to go watch a truck race or truck practice. I don't know. The cup thing is what lures people in. I do have to give credit to Texas, though, because they did this last year. They had the micro races leading up to it, which originally they were supposed to, and it got rained out because the weather's supposed to suck leading up to the race. And then they have the sprint cars on Saturday. So I feel like, of all tracks, this one has done really well with creating a weekend for fans to go.

Speaking of Texas, I think Marcus Smith will show this weekend. We're going to get to that. I know. I think we should do it now. Don't worry, we will. Well, I was about to ask, so are you finally allowed to say, like, what your plans are for going to Texas? I said, I'm spot on, Austin Hill. I said it at the beginning of the show.

Spot on, spot off. Denny Hamlin and Marcus Smith's public feud and the apologies posted after. They had a feud? I mean. Very public feud. I mean, at midnight. Oh, I was up for it. I actually woke up sick Friday night and something I ate, I guess.

You stood next to me all weekend? It was something I ate. So I'm like, it was prime time because it was perfect because I got to witness the entire thing as it was going down. What kind of sick? Just eight. Like throwing up. Get away from me.

It's okay, Brett. I thought all I can think about, first of all, I was like, how is this real. Like, this is not real life right now. Is it, was it funny or was it childish? I thought it was fun. I mean, I thought it was funny. Both. I thought it was funny. Then it got. Here's where I was at. It got out of hand. Like, so I thought it was, you know, I think that, you know, we see the, it started with a picture of Denny is obviously great. But it started with a picture. Marcus is great too, by the way.

Why don't she sell shirts that say Denny is great? Where is that? We'll make it. I don't know why you haven't done that. But, you know, it's, you know, it's. started out with fair criticism, which I don't know where Denny's, you know, the context comes from Denny, but the pavement came up at, at Sonoma. Let me ask you this. Has Atlanta had any issues since the repave? Have they had to patch or do anything there? No, I don't think so. No. But then, so then he, he references North Wilkesboro in his original tweet. That's just criticism. Like, whatever, it's not per. And then Marcus, John Friott. Did he not want Wilkesboro paved or what? I don't know. Because where is this coming?

from. Why? When I said, I don't know what the context of it was, but then Marcus comes in right for the gut with a- Colum. Championship thing. What I kept thinking about the entire time that I seen this going back and forth was I wonder how many texts Dale Jr. is getting right now.

Because I feel like he's the optimum middleman for the two of them guys. And I feel like his phone probably blew up at some point. So in case you don't know what we're talking about. and I think most people do know what we're talking about. But Denny sent a tweet out that said, when paving on a budget goes wrong, North Wilkesboro will be next. And there is a picture of the asphalt

that looks like it's about as thick as a sheet of paper that's coming up. Where at? Which one? Oh, Sonoma? Yeah. And then Marcus responded with, this is a great post from somebody

who doesn't know all the information. Ignorance on display for the world to see. I will delete this tweet. when Denny Hamlin sends me a text or gives me a call directly to ask why this is happening. Then from there it went to, you don't need to delete. We've seen your reconfiguration record. And then Marcus says, yes, we take risks. Sometimes they work.

Sometimes they don't. We've seen your attempt of the championships as well. Welcome to reading with Brett Griffin. When you have a chance, well, we got to make sure people understand the context. When you have a chance, maybe you could give me some golf tips. So it went real personal. One of my favorite rap songs was zero to 100. real quick.

That was real fucking quick. That's what happened. When did you listen to rap before you went to that heavy metal, whatever? Yeah. Go total fire. But if you're sitting here watching this thing play out as a fan, you're, you couldn't be happier. Oh. That's, I don't put it past the two of them that this was, I mean, I don't think it was,

but it would not surprise me if the two of them conjured this up for attention. I mean, it was, it was all. Anybody talked about that night on Twitter? I don't think you do. I'll tell you what it did for Denny. It made people stop talking about his restart. Yes. And that's, I mean, truly, it worked.

He got, how many booze did he get on Sunday? Oh, he got a lot. That tweet he did? By the way, that tweet was a little early in the morning, Denny. You wouldn't want to wait on that. So then he got booed. Oh, he always does. He always gets booed.

For the moment he sent Jason three, he's been booed. This is a discussion that should be happening behind closed doors and we all got to see it. What a great app Twitter is. Oh, it was. Excellent. So who won the argument? Denny or Marcus? So I had, well, Danny's great. And I had to, I had to give it the nod to Denny because.

Oh, yeah. I can see that coming. Marcus, like, just had the same comeback every time. Like, Denny was kind of switching up a little bit. And Marcus was like, well, you're not a champion. Denny would come back with something else. You're not a champion. So it was like, man, you got to, if you're going to fight, you got to have to come.

You got to figure out something new to hit him with. I mean, and there's probably plenty of you could. I don't think you're giving Marcus. He has a few additional. You're not getting Marcus enough credit for the uninformed part, though, because, you know, I don't know. So it's a split decision. There's a, I'm sure Denny isn't fully aware on what goes into paving. You know what I mean?

I'm sure Denny isn't really, that's not his area. You're the deciding judge. I'm the anonymous, unanimous split decision. We need your, we need your opinion. You're the swing vote. We aptly need your opinion. I think. Listen, I'm not picking aside people.

I'm not Team Denny or Team Marcus on this thing. But when Denny came in with the punch and he said, you're going to ruin everything your dad gave you, that's a knockout blow. You ain't getting up from that one. So I got to give the W to Denny. Because that one took balls to send. Yeah.

Balls. Balls is a word, I guess. So when I was reading it, I was actually thinking about me, just that, you know, I wouldn't. But I was sitting there thinking like, man, this is a great time for a, I've been hacked or which one gets deleted first. Because that's what I was waiting to happen. I will admit, I was refreshing my feed trying to see if they like, it was, oh, Marcus has been hacked. Denny has been hacked.

Like, what's going on? I think my, I think the guy that actually started the, with that original pitcher was Corey Lewis, who was one of my buddies from. Way to go, Corey. I know. Give them a shout out. Thanks, Corey. For the record, they did fix the track.

for the GT4 America race. I wonder what the issue was, though. But if North Wilkesboro has a problem now, Denny is going to look like a genius. Denny is a genius, right? What do you mean look like a genius? The guy is a genius. Denny might be up there trying to dig it up before we get that.

He may be. He's going to be a hoe slapping. He's going to look like the... Not that kind of hoe. Like the hoe we got a hoe to gore the carton with. He's going to live in a gopher from a caddy shack. Danny's going to pop up. His head's going to pop up down the back straight away.

I told you all this assholes. What was that thing you used to do? What they used to do on the pre-ray shows? That, that... Oh, it's the... Digger. Digger. Yeah.

Digger Dany will be coming up. Digger Dany. I mean, these promoters are always promoting. They're going to have a boxing ring for drivers to box it out. Like, now it's Marcus and Denny. Oh, man. I mean, it kept things entertaining. I'm not going to lie.

I'm not going to lie. Who do you got if they box? Oh. Probably Marcus. I'm going Marcus. Ask Bubba which one he'd pick. I don't think Bubba's fought the, uh, Marcus. Maybe not Denny either.

We need them both of the show. A ring's a little bigger than motorhome. Yeah. Tight town finds. I got Marcus, though. Yeah. Probably. You think Marcus?

Yeah. Yeah, I think so. Denny delivers. Denny delivers. Yeah, but I mean, like, I don't know. I got, yeah, I got Marcus all day. Well, back on the on-track topic. Sam Mayer's comments after the Xfinity race, which were that's just NASCAR National Series racing these days.

When talking about how every time he's been front of a JGR car this season, he gets punted. T.J. I can see where he's frustrated because I'm spot off because, I mean, if me and, me and Freddie are racing for the lead and we knock each other out of the way and Brett gets by without free of. charge, the first one of us that gets free, he's not going to let him win that race. And, you know, I mean, it's Martinsville. You're not, I don't, I'm not 100% sure Sam wouldn't have made the same move. If he was leading the race, got moved and somebody got by, and he felt like he should still be leading, he's probably going to move the guy up the hill a little bit.

But spot on, if he would have got destroyed, I would have been spot off. but that was probably one of the better Xfinity endings that I've seen without a bunch of cars getting wrecked. You know, usually we had it on a restart, but that was just a miss shift. And that would have happened that would have happened in the truck race, cup race. If anybody misses a shift to track like that, you're going to have a wreck. I have news for Sam. It's not, they're not picking on him because they've not got to have each other all night long as well. So it's not, it's not, he wasn't a lone wolf here.

You weren't singled out. They were, it was just got, and it was another product of how hard it is to pass at times. You know, like, Chandler, Chandler was really good the other night and he had to come from the back and he did a really good job of managing his race until he got some track position.

But you could see he was faster than some guys. As Sheldon was one of them where he's, like, he's behind him. And a teammate, you're hoping for a little courtesy. He's giving them the little, there's differences. You know, you see it, you know, you watch enough races there. You see, he's going in the corner,

just like giving the small taps like, hey, I'm back here. hey, I'm faster than you, hey, you know, like for a couple laps and then finally just says, all right, if you're not going to give it to me, I'm taking it and gives them a big shot and moves my race track. But that's just how that place races, you know, and that's always, and that was even back when the cup races were great, that's how it was. Like, you called a guy, you gave him a chance to get out of your way. Teddy Chris. I mean, some of the cup races, you had a little bit of teammate. Like if a teammate was better, you kind of let him go, but you got it back if you

were faster. But, you know, Teddy Christopher, you say it best. It's like the three tap rule. And it was, it was the first tap, let you know I'm here. Second tap is, you know, you pick a leg, you know, get out of my way. Third tap is, you're getting out of my way now. You know, so that, I mean, that's what that was, but that's short track racing. That's what it's about. And then, you know, it sucks for Sam, obviously, but them guys, it was just brutal up there. And like you said, we've seen Sam fighting on pit road before.

So it's not like he's some at this racetrack. So it's not like he has been some angel in the past. I'm sure if he was in the 20 or the 18's position and it's the 20 and it's going to try to move the 20 to get the win. So, you know, it's just, it's just part of the game. and I mean, he's right, it's NASCAR National Series racing, but everybody's going for a win in the closing laps of Martinsville. Bump and runs older than he is.

It's always been around. It's always going to be around. I think one thing to think about those is with these drivers these days. They do hold other drivers up because a lot of times their car will get better and or these tires don't fall off and you do get away. So back in the day at Martinsville, if they were lined up behind you and you had a guy beating your rear bumper off, you pulled down, you gave him the outside to clear you,

and then you obviously got right back behind him in the corner. You never gave up the preferred line because if you got moved out of the preferred line, you were going to the back. So this is just short track racing, man. Quit, quick, quick crying. That ain't a way to go. Next up is Reaction Theater.

One of my favorite parts of the show where we hear from you crazy people. Well, let's hear what our listeners think on Reaction Theater. Sitting on the couch, just got done to stage two. My five-year-old looks at me about halfway through stage two. I says, dad, why are the cars not trying to pass each other? If you're not fooling my five-year-old, then who are we fooling?

That's what I was curious about, and I'm glad the poll was backing up the fact that it wasn't a good race, because I was worried that we were close together, and once we got in traffic, we could kind of dice around a little bit. It was still really hard, but you could make moves based on a guy getting stuck behind somebody, but I'm concerned that it doesn't look bad. You know what I mean? like it if you don't know enough about like why we can't pass like it's almost oh wow they're all together like the top five we're always on the same half a straightaway yeah and it's like

this is not i mean i get it it's we're all together but it's not good racing um so i'm glad to see the pole is still the only time it got good is when joey's tires started fading from having 180 yeah when joey started fading he was making it hard to pass and you know which was exciting because that's what guys do, but they were able to, they were able to get by him. But that's like the only time that I saw where it got. And you had, and you had to have it. Like Danny, I thought I had a really good car. Obviously, the Hensur cars came on second half.

They were unbelievable. But, you know, Denny, I think Danny was a little bit, we were second to Joey at that point. We ran them down, caught him, couldn't pass him. Then Denny caught us, passed us and passed Joey. And then we passed Joey when Denny did. So it was like we, you know, it's just, you know, stages of good cars. Like, I think Danny was a little better. He could pass the two of us.

Then we used him to get the 22. It's just, you know, it's just so hard to pass, and it's so frustrating to do it. Clint Boyer's got all the answers. I saw him. I don't know if you know this. He just, he texted. He texted them to us just now. Oh, God.

He said, number one, max horsepower, which guess what we've been saying for years. Number two, right height rule. C.G is too low. Number three, picks the bumpers where they don't line up so you can't push each other. Number four, make the wheel tire one and a half to two inches more narrow. He said that'll fix it. He's right. I mean,

so how long does it take? So why do we keep going all the way to Phoenix to test and not test these things? Because I don't think that they want to commit to that big of a change. I don't know why. I don't know why. We have way too much tire. I can tell you that. Way too much tire.

It looks like we got four John Forrest tires on these things. If you want to make Clint happy, get on your Twitter today and send him all the graphics that Fox sent out this weekend. Oh, no. Don't worry. He's gotten them. Please. Because it gets on his nerves. You don't think we've sent him enough in the last couple days?

He gets on his nerves real bad. If you want to get under his skin, just tweet him graphics. There is not enough Blanton's bourbon in his fucking house to watch this race. We talk about tire fall off. We talk about the new short track setup. And here we are. Joe Wriganop puts on two tires and runs like 80 fucking laps in the in the lead. This shit is stupid.

I'm tired of it. I'm just going to go drink some more bourbon if I can find it. Take care. That blend is hard to get a hold of, man. Not for him. Man. One of our, so I had to tell you this. I was talking about it last night with the guys at the bar.

But so we have codes. Obviously, everybody's got them. And our codes were different stuff. You know, it's like a broad topic. And then you say stuff related to that topic. And yesterday, you know, Booty and Bubba are bourbon drinkers. You know, so sometimes it's a bourbon code or whatever. And yesterday, they're calling shit out.

And I'm like, I don't know what we're doing. Like, it's like, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this thing you said could relate to all three of our general topics. I'm like, as long as you guys know what the hell's going on, I'm good. Because I don't know what the, what it is. I think it was, I think it might have a type of money for me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. I, I believe I gave. I think he got, didn't you give it to you? No. He gave me to Elmer T. Lee. He's ordered me some, something else. He might owe some money now.

I mean, I'm willing to take it since I texted you, Freddy. Yeah. We had, again, I said we had a clean race. We couldn't have a clean race yesterday because, but we get all the way through the race. Great day. Second and both stages. Finish fourth. Great last restart.

Everything's going great. Perfectly clean day. And then Bubba goes and says the word shop on pit road like a dumb ass. Now he's going to get fined. Like, God, just can't get a whole clean day in. But we'll maybe try it in next week. It's the same thing here. Yeah.

It doesn't say airspeed on the building, though, does it? I don't think so, no. It's just airspeed. That's the name of it. I drove by this morning on the way from the airport to hear, and I saw the McDonald's car going through one of the tunnels. That's pretty cool to be on 77 and see a race car right there. Yeah.

Airspeed. It lights up. It's cool now because they can light it up different colors, like the roof. If you go by, it's usually red, but we were giving Reddick a hard time because he made a comment the week before Easter, a couple days before Easter. He's like, the building was purple when I went. Is that, was that for some pain scheme he was running that week? And I was like, it might be Easter.

It might be free. He's like, is Easter, is purple and Easter color? I was like, just stop. They're exfinity colors. Yeah, I know. So instead of passing, we have shifting. Yeah. This is working out great guys.

Phenomenal race. Who gives a shit? 400, 500 who gives a fuck? I mean, seriously, what the fuck are we watching? This fucking car fucking sucks. I'm tired of everyone telling me how fucking great it is. I hate this car. I go faster in my car.

This is horrific. I mean, this is about as much fun as watching that one weird ant cross-stitched faces of the family that you really don't put up anywhere except that back bathroom that grandpa goes in to remind everybody that old people smell funny. Yeah, that's what this is. I'm fucking sick of it, okay? What? He doesn't like his aunt that cross-stitches. What the hell is he talking about?

You don't know what cross-stitching is? No. By the way, these cars are really fast. Is that like crochet? No, it ain't nothing like crochet. and you actually take this piece of cloth and you make little bitty X's to make a design.

Cross stitching. So interesting. Let's move on. It's a sport in the South. A sport? You compete at it? You learned your textile plant back in the day. I can't believe you fuckers are on what cross-stitching is.

Matthew, what a crazy day. Freddie, man, congrats on your guys' run all day in the top five. Hell of the day, man. TJ, I'm still trying to figure it out if y'all are still even at the racetrack and race, I don't know what the hell happening all day, but my God.

So I say that and I'm kind of wondering we're three years, almost three full years into this car and we still suck as a sport I feel like. Now we do have

great races here and there, but there is no way NASCAR, as a body, can really think that that race and how they nut road Hendrick Motorsports the entire time? They say nut road? They think that's okay for the sport. They think that that's what fans want to see. What a joke. Cross-ditch me some nut-roading. I've never heard of Nut Road

Nut Road Have you? No. No, I don't think so. Wow. Okay. All right. Okay.

Are these guys right? With their complaint? Yes. I mean, I, yes, that's it. Yeah.

It was not the Martinsville that we were hoping for. Listen, you can bash the car all you want. But the car did help. mile and a half racing. I don't think that's really debatable.

But it hurt the stuff that was, like the stuff that made our sport really exciting, short track super speedways, this car has demolished that right now, in my opinion. And maybe it's the tire, maybe whatever it is.

But, you know, that's, we need to get those two things back to being really exciting because we don't, that's more built on. One thing that is we used to do back in the day is we had super speedway cars.

We had road course cars. We had short track cars. cars and every every style of track had a different type of car so and that made to me probably made racing better at those places because the car was built for them tracks now you're

trying to take a you could take a car right now and run you know pretty much anywhere Sonoma and Bristol back to back days we were the same car we were talking about it last night and we were kind of talking about the 66 and why he was out there I'll never know but the only

place he was fast all day was pit road you got to like three speeding penalties but who drove that David Stark. David Star. Um, you look, and he was a second off the pace and qualifying. Wow. Yeah. Um, like Briscoe, Briscoe said, I had text Briscoe because his tweet said, it's only four tenths from first to 36. I said, you didn't want to say 1.4 to 37th because it's like a joke. But we were talking to a former team owner that was, you know, he's in, in the competition side of things now. We're like, Brandon McReynolds was there. He's like, what would it take if I just wanted to build a race car right now to go racing, a cup car,

to like why would they guys show up what's it taking Tommy Tommy well it's Baldwin I guess I'd tell you now uh 400,000 dollars without a motor and then he said okay well what would it take to go back in the day when you owned one he said about 125,000 so this car that was that was my question to you is what cost so freaking much about this car I don't know you're buying everything versus building it I don't know um so it was that's not efficient I mean you're talking about I guess you know you're you don't have as many cars so That's supposed to be the cost-saving factor of it. But when the gap is that big to-

I've not seen one owner come forward and say, man, they're saving us so much money. I think everyone I've seen come forward and saying anything is saying that we haven't, we're spending more money than we ever have. Yeah. And I don't think it's, I mean, the cars are really expensive. And you, like the underbodies get damaged. Like, everything gets damaged.

And then you got to, you know, you got to buy it from somebody else. There's not a lot of stuff you can fix. You know, you can't fix anything. You saw you guys. Can't fix anything. Even if you don't have another one, you can't fix it. It makes it. So it's just, it was wild to hear those numbers last night.

But are there even minor changes that can be made to this car that? Apparently not. So they essentially have to start from scratch. They're making minor changes and nothing moves the needle. No, these need huge changes. They need overhaul. The short track package just needs to be something completely, completely different. Like, I don't, we can't take the same stuff that's going to work at Talladeg and Daytona and at,

and Atlanta and Charlotte and think it's going to work at Martin'sville. I mean, could you imagine, you know, five years ago saying, yeah, I'm running my Daytona car at Martinsville this week. I mean, like it would,

when you guys literally leave this track and say, I can't wreck this week because I got to run next week. And the brakes are too good. The tires are too good. Oh my gosh. The brakes, dude. They can drive.

Everything about it just screams. It's, this is never going to be a good short track car. Yeah. And, sorry. It's what it says. Like when Clint drove,

you could, spin the tires all the way in us right in fourth gear and not be shifting these guys are shifting and gripping up i mean when these things grab they grab like you can tell these cars you you know when a guy down shifts and uh did you get hit in the middle of the corner yes or at all and like shoot out of the corner no i mean nobody bumped you in the middle like it doesn't upset you not i'm trying to say though like yeah oh yeah i know just yeah like these things just they're literally rc cars that have an insane amount of grip like just stuck man the car i mean they too much.

Like they're just too fast. They're too quick. They're too gripped up. There's no edge. You know, when we first went to this car, a guy said the line went from, the area of wrecking went from, okay, they could kind of race in there

to where it would just snap on them. You know, and you need that area, you need that gray zone where these guys try to race in and make mistakes. Yeah. You know, and man, they're so gripped up, though. These guys drive so deep into the corners. Like, when that guy made that phone call a little bit ago,

he said, Well, dude, I'm going to tell you what, these cars are fast around. Yeah. They are fast. Like if you were, I mean, they're digging. And, you know, even when the pace is supposed to slow down at Martinsville, you remember, you know, you get into a hundred laps into a run. They're like crawling around there. Dude, these guys are running, qualifying laps, a 120 laps into a run.

It's funny because they, you know, they're making these changes to take downforce away, you know, from, you know, for the short track package. I'm assuming the goal is to make them harder to drive, so you've got to be off throttle. And everywhere we've gone now, I get a report before practice of expected pace, you know, expected qualifying pace, whatever it is. And at Richmond, I would think, you know,

the goal would be to slow them down. You know what I mean? Like you're trying to make them harder to drive to slow them down. Richmond, we were a second faster than expected pace. This week we were, they expected the poll to be around a low 20. We ran a 1970 and qualifying for the pole.

so like they're just going faster whatever you do I don't know like that's the thing we always talk about off-troddle time make them harder to drive that's what's going to fix it because they were literally all just running the same speed

as hard as you can the whole race well it's not just that you need to be able to hurt the tire to me you need to be able to hurt the tire where if you if you do go too hard there's a price to pay 60 laps and no run yeah you might not get to that

there might be a natural wreck before that but that's the price you pay but you have the guy you have this young kid Freddie's first race. He's super fast, takes off, and he thinks he's, you know, the best guy there. Then he gets 70 laps in a run. Here come of these guys that know what they're doing. But you also might get the 40-lap caution, and Freddie's still up front leading a race. Tell me about it. And obviously, I didn't watch yesterday. Tell me about Stuart Haas,

because I saw Josh Barry didn't finish well. That was a place I probably thought he would have. Yeah, they were, so they were good in practice. Briscoe was really good. He was top five, seven all day long. priest was good he screwed up He screwed up his qualifying lap really bad And that like you know that Is two things about qualifying Going out early

Kills you Kills you So if you are a guy that doesn't run up front Or you know you're never It's going to be hard to run up front Because you're never going to qualify up there I mean you're going to have to hit it perfect You know I was talking about that with Corey on pit road

About you know he went out early And it's just it's almost like a two or three tenth swing Going out early versus you know Midpack there But so Ryan screwed up qualified. He got up, I think he finished eighth. I don't know, Barry, I felt like Barry got into something early. He had a penalty.

He had a penalty. He had a penalty. Well, I was like middle. I just saw where he finished. He sped on pit road. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think he sped. I think he had to. Yeah. Or I don't think he about, there was some other kind of, yeah. Yeah. So I remember that and then Noah. Noah was, eh, decent. You know, I saw him coming. It was weird, though, because I'll tell you there was guys,

like, Ty Gibbs wasn't, he was garbage all day as well. You couldn't, like, I don't even know if they were garbage. Because if you put him in the lead, they probably we would have led. Well, Martin, Truex, same boat. I mean,

we ran right with them guys. We were racing them for position. So, and we were low 20s. Yeah. So, and that's not normal,

you know, I don't know. It was a weird deal yesterday, too, with wheels falling off. Like, but they didn't fall off. Like,

they got wedged up into the wheel well. I don't know why that would happen there. It happened to, it Bell. And then it happened to, was it Zane? Yeah. Which,

God almighty, Zane Smith, something's got to change for that kid. Like, he's I think he's literally lasting points of all the guys that have run the races. Wow. And it's just, I mean, a lot of it's stuff like that happening. I think he brushed the wall at Vegas and broke a toe link like that five.

But they've got they've got to have to turn something to turn that shit around. The host bar. Hostvar is competitive. Yeah. 17th yesterday. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. We saw that last year with him. He's going to run. That's, that's his reign. I mean, he came out last year ran there. He's 15th to 17th. Yeah. And he got in the 42.

That was where that's kind of where he ran. a lot of times. That was a Hendrick Motorsport's ass whipping. Boys, I've looked into my crystal ball, which is actually just a fish bowl full of fireball. But I think Rick Ware Racing is going to back down to one charter. They're going to rename themselves. Where's the front racing?

That's what the f*** racing, WTF racing. They're going to sell that charter to Dale Jr. He's going to merge Richard Chil. Fire Austin Dillon or put him in an office somewhere where he can't hurt nobody. And it's going to be Earnhardt, Childress, Racing, move Kyle Busch to the 51, but Martin Tredge Jr. in the eight, and all will be right in the world. Be careful. That guy had a lot of fire.

What I learned is because you can't even compliment Rick Ware Racing anymore, so don't try. But that was an interesting take, and he has definitely definitely. been into the fireball. He's definitely been into the fireball. By the way, you can't, you can't be in a hurry right now to buy a charter because we don't know what they're going to be working. Yeah. Yeah. Like, we're in, probably for the first time in my life, we got big boy negotiations going on like most pro sports do, and we're at a freaking standstill. Yeah. I mean, and you see, like, there's guys, and so obviously you see the rumors out there, Stuart Haas is selling charters, probably two of them, I would say. Do you think that's true? Yes. You do.

Yeah. And then, and I've heard rumors of, you know, and listen, Gene Haas, God, like he don't. He doesn't need to money. He's funding a damn F1 team himself. So I don't think he really gives a shit the money. And you hear the numbers are lower than who paid 40 million for a charter last year? Like, is that Spire? Yeah.

So the numbers are lower than that. And it's like, it's probably just because Gene just, if that's the case, just wants to get rid of them. Like just, you know, why would he not at this point, like the way they're running and stuff? Well, if you have Tier 1 support. those charters running those race teams isn't as expensive if you don't have tier one support. I mean, when you guys hear tier one support, you're talking $10 million a year coming from the manufacturer, you know, plus a lot of perks, right? So if you lose that, then I could see why selling a charter would be attractive to him.

But if he has that, I don't see why it would be attractive to him, knowing how rich this guy is. Well, I mean, and you say that, but we've also heard the rumors that they're losing their tier one status at Ford. You know, you see them, you know, they're actually, they've actually picked it up a lot this year because I was going to say, you know, last year, at the end of the year, you saw front row outperforming them, you know, and that's kind of flip-flot now at the beginning of this year. Front row had a good start, but now since then, Stuart Haas has been. So the first two races. Which, which, what's the name had a really good day yesterday? Todd, Todd Gillen ran top 10 pretty much all day yesterday. He had, I don't know where he ended up, but he had a really good run. But yeah, so that's just what I heard.

But it's going to be interesting. I will say that we've got to, but listen, man, we're, we've got to get this deal fixed. Oh, a thousand percent. I mean, and here's the argument. Like you ask yourself, or I ask you, what do you need more? Do you need NASCAR or do you need owners? And in today's world, I had a conversation we got about this. In yesterday's world, right, you built everything.

from the ground up. So teams probably had more leverage then than they have now. In today's world, NASCAR could literally buy all the parts and pieces and put the cars together in Concord and then whoever drives them drives them. Yeah. It's a different world. And they've gone up from 28% to 42% on the revenue sharing and the owners are going, that ain't enough. Well, what is enough? And when are y'all going to figure this out? You think maybe that had something to do with that Twitter beef we saw the other day? Maybe, but you can't. I don't know how we can just keep acting like this. I ain't a big deal.

Another part of that guy's call there, touching on Freddie's topic as well. The Kaz actually ran a really good race yesterday. He was low 20s right there. He ran long at the very end, just tried to hope him for a caution because it would have really... Helped him? Yes, it would have been a lot. So he was like 27th or something. Yeah, he ran just, him and Justin both ran between 20th and 24th most of the time.

So that's still, that's, that's, Not, it's still a step up, like, in the right direction. Here's the biggest improvement that Rick Ware Racing has made. They used, how many times did they used to be the last caution of the race? Yeah, you know, nothing. I mean, it felt like hundreds of times a year. We only ran 36 races, so I know that's not accurate. But that's gone.

Yeah, no, those two guys, I think Kaz is quietly doing a good job. I mean, he's been in there. He's doing a good job. Justin's doing a good job. I mean, it was every other week. The last caution of the race would be a Rick Ware, That's not the case anymore. I would say something nice here, but I got in trouble for that.

Stop. Listen, they've upgraded a lot of things. I mean, Tommy Baldwin's a big upgrade to that organization. Robbie Benton does a lot for them. Obviously, Justin, it does a great job. I haven't worked with him. I know what they get in him. Yeah, I think they're in a good spot.

Well, if you have a thought, be sure to use our new number, 704-802-9-572. new number? Well, I guess it's kind of not really new anymore. Our standard number now. Up next, we take your questions at hashtag AskDBC. This first question is from Christopher with what the 42 and 47 did today to hold up the leader to allow teammates and manufacturers to pass should NASCAR be policing. A lot of cars better. Bell? I was kind of questioned it for a second. I mean, and this kind of goes off of what we had talked about before with. I didn't really see them do anything wrong. I mean, you couldn't pass.

No, we held Denny up for about five, six laps, but, and it was because we didn't want to get lapped anymore. Yeah, you're not doing it. I think Kyle Bush did the same thing where they were just trying to maintain their- Kyle's not holding him. Kyle was on the lead lap trying not to go a lap down. Kyle's not doing that to cost anybody leading that race to me. We did this with Chase. I don't know how long ago was it might not even been this car I can't remember but it was this car I think

it was the first year with this car chase caught us in traffic we were you know we started the back or something he caught us and we ran in front of him for 50 laps he couldn't get like we were good so we just ran in front like and it wasn't like we were trying to hold him up for danny or somebody like we were just trying to stay on lead lab and I mean I don't I don't I didn't see what these guys did if they were like deliberately blocking or something but I you're not I mean you can't really block for one I see nothing wrong with if you were doing that I've seen nothing wrong with it because it's the guys especially if you're lead lap it's the guy's job to pass you um you're not supposed to move over for him especially if you're lead lap so it is what it is what are you supposed to do move over for the leader yeah and it's it's almost

easy for them it's easier right now than it's ever been to hold somebody off at martinsville and that's probably why it looks like that these guys i can tell you right now rickie stanhouse is not rolling over he's not rolling over and he doesn't he doesn't really i don't think who's he helping You know what I mean? I'm Chevy. I don't know. Who did he hold up? Danny to get maybe one of the hinder cars by?

Like that doesn't line up. That's not on his radar. No. You know, so in the 42, I mean, he's not holding somebody up so a Gibbs car can pass because Danny was the only one that got the lead. So, you know, it's not. I don't know. It just seems off base to me, but I didn't see it.

So I can't really comment on it. The sex one is from D-Wing, I think. D-Wing. Do you think Kyle Bush regrets his signing with RCR? His average finish is 16th, and he's as irrelevant as the number three. The team overall is garbage top to bottom. I mean, I think it's the second part of the opinion, but what do you guys think on Kyle's? So what happened yesterday with Austin Dillon?

I saw he didn't finish well. Obviously, big crew chief changed there. I just don't think they ran good. I think he didn't he have an issue? Maybe. I saw Kyle's tweet where he said they just weren't very good. I seen they went under the hood at some point, under the three. I don't know if that was having an issue.

or if they're just making a big adjustment. Yeah. Could be there at that point. Yeah. I mean, I think the cool thing about this car is, I mean, we saw RFK struggle when this car came out. And look how much better they've got. It's just a matter of finding the speed. Kyle Busch is one of the greatest to ever drive a race car.

And RCR is very fortunate to have him. I don't see any way, shape, or form. They let that guy leave ever. No matter what you got to pay him. You can't lose it. And I don't think he's regret. I mean, I'm sure he would like to probably still be at Gibbs, but that wasn't an option for him.

So, you know, this is the best option he had. It'll turn. Yeah, I mean, he's going to be fine. They're going to figure it out. He won three races the first year he was there. Yeah. You know. He didn't, he didn't just forget how to drive.

He didn't forget how to race. These guys, it's just, you can't be on top the entire time. Yeah. This next one is from Chris is William Byron the next Jimmy Johnson. Very few mistakes. and when they take control of a race, they finish it. Sometimes with the best car and sometimes without. What do you guys think?

I don't think there is another Jimmy Johnson. Not that I, I mean, he's going to be a very, very good race car driver. He's going to win probably 50 plus cup races, I would say. I don't know that he ever gets seven championships, which I don't even know that if he did win seven championships, even comparable to Jimmy because it's two different errors. Two different formats. It's one race championships versus Jimmy's Chase Championships.

So, yeah, I mean, I don't, it's unfair to William to compare him to Jimmy Johnson. William is going to be a very good, probably future Hall of Fame race car driver. But here's the thing, though. He's the first driver to win three races of the first eight races since Kyle Busch did it in 2019. And the other guys that have done that, Jimmy Johnson in 2010, Kevin Harvick, 2018, Kyle Busch, 2019. Those guys are, that's big company. Well, I mean, I said he's going to be a Hall of Fame, but do you think he's a name's Jimmy Johnson? No.

I don't think you can get to that stat now. But how do we know? Yeah. I mean, I saw Caitlin Clark play basketball yesterday. She's better than advertised, by the way. She looks better in person than she does on a TV shooting the ball. Will we ever have another Caitlin Clark? Will anybody, well, it's hard.

It's easy to play if you can't touch the person. You couldn't touch her. Oh, bro. You laid a fingernail on her. It was a foul. I don't know. I think William Byron is. He's a hell of a lot better than I thought he was going to be,

and I thought he was going to be good. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. When I see him, when I seen the moves he made to get the lead. And once he got the lead, I knew he had control of the race at that point. I don't know if his car was that much better or if he was the thing that really boggled my mind was we come out. So like what's the worst thing? You pit, green flag stop at Martinsville.

What's the worst thing that can happen? A caution. Yeah. So I come out, we come out. I beat on Bubba's head like, we cannot have a caution here. No matter what happens, don't make any mistakes. Don't bring out a caution. Well, Byron just goes in there and he's fucking laying the bumper to people and moving people and darting through traffic.

And I'm like, damn it, don't cause a caution, William. I guess who won the last race of Texas? Probably William Byron, I'd imagine. William Byron. Oh, that's right. We should have won any f*** up. I think we had to poll, too, didn't we? 13 wins and 224 races.

Yeah, I mean, he's going to win easily 50 races, I think. I mean, nothing happens. But if his career goes out as long as, you know, it should, I mean, he should win easily 50. And that puts you in an elite company. What an idiot. Moving on the one of the hits. Who do you have this week? Well, it was going to be Daniel died for me because I heard he told a spotter to kiss his ass.

He meant another driver. And I didn't think that was very intelligent to do that. But Daniel reached out to me and let me know that he was talking about another driver could kiss his ass. So he clarified that. Let me say one thing. Take the radio stuff away from it. You could still give him the award for how he ran that race because he looked like an idiot out there. Like you can't, for what they were fighting over is one thing.

you're running a teammate down to the curb for no reason when the teammate's on tires. There was one point in the race where Ty, we just got clear. I don't know, like we were on the outside of him. It was a restart. We get clear of him. I don't know if somebody maybe got in the back of him and got him a little loose or whatnot. We get clear of them. Not even like a close clear.

Like, you know, sometimes you got to get down like take guys nose off. Yeah. We were clear by half a car length. We get down in front of him, down the back straightaway. He goes into three and drives in the back of us and don't get all, all the way through the corner trying to jump, like, knock us off the bottom. I'm like, are you mad because you left a hole? Like, I don't understand what your problem is.

And there was multiple times, you know, he goes in there, he cleans out to 76 and knocks him into the 38. Like, listen, there's a reason why your guy, no matter what happened in that fight, the guy still quit. And the reason why he quit is because he doesn't want to be part of the sideshow anymore where he's not, this kid's not doing a good job. You know, he's got to get his head on straight and figure out how to be clean about it, go out there and be quiet and get for.

This is a lot like I preached to Derek Krauss back in the day. You're going to have to do a lot to earn these people's respect back because right now you don't have any. And it's case in point when your fucking spotter quits because of this, maybe it's time to look in the mirror and go, we've got to clean this shit up a little bit. Well, he's not my what an idiot, but obviously he's one of yours. My what an idiot is a country music singer. Oh, God. Who decided to throw a chair off of a sixth story building last night in Nashville, Tennessee.

Morgan Wallen chunked a chair off the fucking building. Shunked it? Through the chair, according to the police report. Through the chair off the top of Eric Church's new bar. And guess where it landed? Right beside the two police officers. Guess what they did. They went in there, pulled the footage, and took his dumb shit to jail.

He's my wood an idiot. That is a stellar wood an idiot. Remember that time? One of Spotted left the chair got off the roof. Oh, I was standing beside of his dumb ass to jail too. That's your boy. It was, the wind was blowing 50 miles an hour at Phoenix. I'm not kidding you.

And Chicago was sitting out there in a chair. It's just something about him in the part where it's not fenced in. He's the only idiot out there in a chair. Well, he stood up. Guess where the chair went. Over the side. And then his dumb spider man crawled up there to the edge of the roof looking down there. And I started to just throw his ass off with that chair.

idiot. I, so you got an idiot, TJ? Yeah, I mean, I'm going truck race and still with Lane. You ain't gonna beat more. So my note is funny. My note was the whole truck field.

One of my first note said the whole truck field was one idiot. From the, from like 50 laps or whatever after the first stage in, pretty much most of the truck field. But I gave the honorable mention to Lane because that's that you should go there and excel because you've got laps there. And that's a chance to really show. And you totally did the opposite.

So who's better? lane rigs are a coopopal i don't know if you can tell yet uh they both have they both have speed carson ran um carson's been fast when he's ran he ran really well i don't think he's ran enough big tracks yet to have a um but he works at it man he's a racer so i think uh lane's problem he's just he's overdriving everything he's trying too hard and when you try too hard you get behind and then you try even harder and you get even further behind if he just takes his eighth place truck at times and runs eighth with it he's gonna start stacking single to the finishes but he man he was um surprisingly fast at coda i thought so for a road course for the first time

but like i said man he should have went to martinsville and he should have looked like he should have that was a chance to really pull off a top five or something yeah um or have a good showing if you get shelf at the end fine but at least show that you know there's you know progress i think I think Quoppel's in an amazing spot. I mean, Junior Motorsports is a funnel two championships in that series and a funnel two Cup Series rides. So my official, what an idiot, and this goes back to last week, touching on the restart.

So the Elton comes out and says, you know, this might have, you know, this may have been a penalty at lap 10 versus lap 400. And a lot of people don't realize I think what he meant was, Not that it's a call one way or the other. You have more time to review it at lap 10 versus the last lap of the race. So everybody got up in arms last week about, you know, why you should never officiate it differently at lap 400 versus lap 10, yada, yada, yada, yada.

And then we fast forward one week, and I see all of these same people bishing about a foul called late in the Yukon game that is clearly a foul. And they're like, they're going, well, you can't call that foul there. Why not? Yeah. If it's the same, if you're, if you're arguing last week that you got to officiate the race, the same at Lab 10 as 400, then you've got to officiate the basketball game the same as the first minute versus the last five seconds. Yeah.

So it's like, this is the way it goes. But I don't disagree with you. But in both scenarios, TV was not our friend. And in the Denny restart, TV didn't show it. So as fans, we didn't know. Yeah. The camera angle that I originally saw with the Yukon deal, I couldn't tell it was an illegal screen. I thought it was a bullshit call.

And then I actually went back on Twitter yesterday when I saw multiple replays from other angles. And I said, oh, it was a freaking illegal screen. So as a viewer, we're limited in what we have sometimes. I just love the fact that it flip-flopped in a week where you got a, you got to call the race the same way the whole time. And then it's like, you can't call that foul that late in the game. Well, yeah, you can.

It's a f*** foul. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know how, like that was, yeah, it's foul. And the other thing, it was people not realizing what, I mean, it's hard. Elton spoke, what he said wasn't correct, you know, that he should have elaborated more on why it was a penalty at some point, maybe not the other, because of it's literally just how much time you have to look at it, you know. And I know, and I know, we'll just take the time and look at it. And I'm like, you don't want, you know, 10 minutes to go by while they're reviewing a restart while they're trying to figure out who's supposed to be celebrating. Yeah.

It's just, but I thought that was fun this week. All right, 12 DBC picks. Shout out to Freddie. Told you all Bubba don't lose. I know. I don't understand. I was very confused by that one. You won by picking Bubba.

And now we... It was a good restart. We got by TJ's guy on the last lap. And now we're digging picks for Texas. Teha. Which... I believe Brett goes. first. I do? Yes. Oh, man. I got a, I got to swing for the fence.

He swung for the fence last week and lost. And Martin sucked. How does Martin suck at Martinsville? Place is named after him. I haven't picked Bubba Wallachia, have I? Oh, don't be trying to, no, don't be trying to come, Johnny come lately to the party here now. Is he, have I picked him? Uh, no. He's not in the list. That's what I was looking for. No, he's up here. He's up here. He's up here. He's up here somehow. Oh, I hadn't picked him. We don't, we don't have Alphabet of. It's not out of bad. He's right above William Byron.

So I will take, he finished third last year in this race, and Freddie said he should have won. So I'm going to take that tip, and I'm going to run with it. Bubba Wallace. I hope you have a good day. Oh, man. Man, oh, man. I'm stressing. I didn't get tips for this week.

Well, your tips suck anyway. Tell me she's 0 for whatever we've run so far, seven. I know. I need help. Zero wins, Casey. Maybe your tips suck. Part of me wants to take Kyle Bush, but then they question. I would take him.

Well, you know who finished second last year. Ross Chastain. I know, but I kind of want to save him. Yeah, I already did use him. Who are you going to save him for? I kind of want to save him. If he's going to run second, you're going to win. I already used him.

I don't know. I'm hoping for it at the end. Everybody just kind of like gets rid. I'll do. I think I did. Yeah. Casey, you already picked him. I'll take Kyle Busch.

I'll take Kyle Busch. Kyle Busch. Somebody please help me. Kyle Busch won there a few years ago. I'll take Danny. I'll take William Byron. You have to, if you're trying to win the race, you have to pick JGR, i.e. Toyota. That's what I was going to say.

If I gave you five, we were talking about that earlier with the teams, like, if I gave you five picks, like to tell me five guys that you're going to bet on to win the race. I'm taking Larson, Byron, Denny. It's going to be five guys. But that's every race now. I know that's the issue. So, like, next week, I don't know. They said the parody, you know, the parody, we're talking about this, not our picks. We're talking about in general.

The parody is gone because if you're asking us to pick winners, we're going to give you guys from basically name those, you know, eight drivers first and then go somewhere else. All right, moving on, Texas. What can we expect as we watch this weekend? You might have to tell me some things that I know that I don't know about spot, man. It's been a while. Well, so there's going to be like 17 lanes to the right. of us and turn one and two that you're not going to even want to go near.

Okay. Like 14 lanes in three and four. So forget about how wide the track is. Don't ignore that completely. Find the cushion and then don't go above it the rest of the race. And if the guy is running high in three and four, just run high in front of him. Same thing in one and two. If he runs up, just run up.

I mean, it's pretty easy. Yeah. Did you see our boy, Zillich won again? I did. That's awesome. Come on DBC. I didn't know the county fair had races. A race.

Sorry. I almost responded to his picture instead. I almost said that to him. Oh, well. Any good barbecue spot, y'all are hitting while you're down there? Somebody sent this one. Did you see a picture? Yeah, but you're not driving to Arlington.

Is that what that was? Oh, yeah. I'm not driving Arlington. I'm not going to make it there. I usually make a good hard eight stop. I went to a craft barbecue place in Kansas City that was really good. I'll tell you, some of the best barbecue. I had was that place we went in,

was that Richmond? Oh, Richmond. Yeah. That was good. Just go to the stockyards. You can't go wrong. I like the stockyards. Stockyards.

Dangerous place, boy. Maybe odds be ever in your favor. Everywhere is a dangerous place. Saturday night I'll be, so Saturday I'm going to, I mean, Saturday afternoon, I'll probably be over there going. I'll be at the dirt track, which I think is right there. It's on the back. What times that start?

I would assume around sunset. Probably like hot labs at like six, seven o'clock. How do we get in? We tell. Larson put us all on a list here. Yeah, it's call Larson. Yeah. somebody probably hard cards maybe but then dougar's playing right after that so i'll probably be

over there hanging out for a while but all right well thank you all so much for listening as always be sure to call our number for a reaction theater use hashtag ask dbc send us a message whenever you'd like hang on a second oh i forgot one thing we needed to talk about because it's a friend of the show uh-oh did you see our buddy timmy hill timmy was real mad And I'm going to tell you something about Timmy. Y'all don't know. He's real big. Timmy is a lot bigger.

Brett found that out because... He's a grown-ass man. Brett talked so much shit about him on here. And then Timmy came up to spot for his brother. And Brett's like, that's some shit's like six, too. He's bigger than that. I would dunk on his ass, though. Listen, you had the same reaction that Stuart Freezing had.

He went from... You're absolutely right, Timmy. Real fast. I mean, Stewie, I get it. I get Stewie's frustrations, but, you know, he's been wiped out a couple times this year. a lot. But, I mean, to take it out on board Timmy Hill, of all people, in that last restart, that's when we got our penalty, we were behind him. And I just, I mean, Stuie was like a bulldozer. He was just running through everybody. I'm sure he's pissed off about getting turned around again.

But boy, Timmy, Timmy, I've never seen Timmy mad. And I don't, I hope they're anybody else for want to see him mad again because he's a little scary. Yeah, Timmy. I think Stewart thought the same thing. He had some animated language she used. Stewart, I mean, the reason was mad a few weeks ago of Bristol. And he went from, I got this fight one to, yes. I wonder if Timmy's still working with that little unit or whatever he said. Oh yeah, he did have a small unit. What?

He had the smallest unit I've ever seen. He should try. But he was winning with it. He was winning with this small unit. And if you don't, Timmy, just try Teledoc. Teledoc can fix small units. And to big units. I think you just buy one.

I think you buy a bigger one. What episode was Timmy Hill on here? It was during COVID. It was during COVID. It was all type of. Go back. Listen. Go back and listen to the Timmy

Hill episode and he'll tell you all about his unit. There's probably Google or YouTube Timmy Hill DBC and I guarantee there is a clip of it somewhere. He was on with Garrett Smithley. Yeah. That was a fun episode. Brett, are you going to make any friends this weekend in Texas? Me?

Back on the spot or stand? Do you get your spot back? I want to wear my cowboy boots, I think. You please wear your cowboy boots. You should wear it at the track. With your shorts. With your shorts. Yeah.

Please. I don't remember where you sit at Texas. I'm going to stand where I always stood. I'm going to put like Blanchard or somebody right there. I'm going to throw her ass off the roof. You could throw Blanchard off. He's tiny. Yeah.

Can't wait. All right. Well, thanks. It's going to be fun. Looking forward to Texas and hopefully a better race to Martinsville. I'm not looking forward to having you back, but. Oh, you are. I got to go to Denver first.

So I'm in Denver for two days. It's not that far. It's like 20. Not Denver, North Carolina. Denver, Colorado. I'm in Denver two days. Checking out some stuff. And then I'm flying to Texas.

All right. Well, you. good luck with that. Have we're a week. Yep, we'll see you all after Texas or in Texas. In Texas. We're out. We out.

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