Door Bumper Clear - 327 | Talladega: Late-Race Blocks, A BIG On-Air Argument, & Jesse Love Joins

Episode Date: April 22, 2024

Freddie Kraft, Brett Griffin, T.J. Majors & Casey Boat are back in studio to discuss all the action from Talladega, and they are joined by the winner of this weekend’s NASCAR Xfinity Series race, Jesse Love. Jesse shares his excitement for being locked into the Xfinity playoffs and tells the DBC crew how much fun the Xfinity cars are to drive. They talk about how the majority of the Talladega Cup race is run at half throttle to save fuel and whether anything can be easily changed to fix that. The DBC crew also discusses the Toyota pit strategy that both worked and didn’t, Michael McDowell’s last-lap block, and the planning that went into RFK’s race strategy, which somehow ended up with T.J. and Freddie in a heated argument because, of course. Also, why are the scoring pylons going away? This weekend’s race brought some hilarious Reaction Theatre calls, and the DBC hosts fielded fan questions.Episode Highlights Toyota’s pit strategy at the end of the race Fuel-mileage superspeedway racing What’s up with the scoring pylons disappearing? Michael Jordan celebrates in Victory Lane T.J. and Freddie get HEATED Jesse Love talks about how fun Xfinity cars are to drive Michael McDowell’s late block coming to the checkered flag Freddie boldly makes Dale Jr. his “What An Idiot” this week Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel!  21+ and present in NC. First online real money wager only. $10 Deposit req. Bonus issued as non-withdrawable bonus bets that expire 7 days after receipt. Restrictions apply. See full terms at fanduel.com/sportsbook. Gambling problem? Call 877-718-5543 or visit morethanagame.nc.gov. Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

The following is a production of Dirtymoe Media. Still good. By one. No number drive, man. It'll come to you. Don't fall asleep on the gate out back. Keep coming top. Here.

You come in top. Here. You come in bottom three. Bottom three, right. Go, go, go, go, go. Door. Bupper. Clear.

Still there. Pumper. Pumper. Clear, clear. Clear, clear. Hey, everybody. I'm T.J. Major.

Spotter of the six-cup car and the 73 banana-eating Arka driver. Your fetish with bananas continues. I can't get away from it. It's crazy. It's a problem. You need therapy. You know what I was bad?

I didn't even get my video, my camera on video. So go ahead. Finish this and I'll tell you what really happened. The fact that you video people eating bananas is a problem. No, just like two people. Brett Griffin, spotter for Richard Childers Racing this year. I was off this weekend at Talladega. I'll be back in two weeks.

Yeah. What's that, Freddie Craft Spotter, Bob Wallace? Kyle's seat this week. Ah! Hi, Casey. Hey, guys. I don't really know what's going on right now, but, well, it seems we have another special guest. We just, you know, you come to the show and then you win the race.

So I sent out a video this weekend congratulating the Xfinity Series driver. You look great, by the way. Well, listen, I was in my backyard building a fire. And I got a lot of text after I sent my video out because people were concerned about a lot of things, including my sexuality. Because I said... I have questions. Next on stage,

Jesse Lowe. And here he is in studio. Hey, everyone. Yeah, you look like a roasted tomato. Awesome. I loved it. I loved it. So anyway,

let's go back real quick to this banana deal. Did you see how long it took him to figure out how to get a bite of this day? So I didn't realize that was my driver. And I'm like, I'm looking at this game. I'm like,

who's eating the banana with the in-car camera? Then I'm like, oh boy, yeah. I'm going to let it go. don't say anything. Did you see this? Did you watch the Arkansas? He's trying to eat a banana.

Did you just ask me if I watched the arch the race? Sometimes you tune in for the interviewer today. It's weird. So he's trying to. The Grinford funeral home 500. No, I'm good. He's got a banana in his hand and he's like,

trying to figure out to get in his mouth. That's awesome. Yeah, that's a lot. That was, you know, a terrible win though because we were hated it for 80 because we were running fourth and the fuel pump quit and we were probably going to finish third something like that but he needed a solid run

but had a fast car and a shot at it and the Archeracistice was usually, it was uncharacteristically not entertaining. Jesse dominated it because he was on the box for the winning Archer car and then he went ahead and won the expedit race. So we don't have to really go through Jesse love

future. His future because I think honestly I think we made him famous before he was famous. What's up Jesse? How are you today? How are you? Not so much. Has things going. I'm feeling really good.

Yeah, sure. So I text Danny Lawrence and I basically got you out of your competition meeting this morning. It's happening right now. They said I was really good on pit road. Apparently you said bad directions too because Jesse couldn't find the place. I said, what's he going to say? I can't hold the wide open and saved a little bit of fuel. Here we go.

Here's a trophy. So you actually can save fuel. You're not as bad as Connor accuses you of being. We got big mileage. I saved a lot of fuel at Atlanta. I led the entire last stage. It showed. And damn near made it.

It wasn't enough. Damn near made it. But this time I thought about an overtime and I actually saved enough. You know how many to tell your flags? Damn near is one? Let me ask you a question. Not many. How much was it in the back of your mind?

Like as you're running around there, are you even thinking about it? You just, I mean. No, I was thinking about it. At one point, I was around like 15. We were going to give, listen here, like you, you missed a block in three and four that we were going to give you a lot of for, but luckily it worked out for you. Here's a thing. If he gets to my inside and then I get shucked the top.

and I have no help, and I'm probably screwed for sure. And I've been getting to the shut to the middle all day long, so I was just going to let him. I figured if he just drove by me that I could side-draft from really late in the trival and still get down. And my car was very, very fast. It was fast. No kidding.

Like, I made like three or four mistakes in the last 10 laps of the race, and it still did not matter. So as you're making those blocks, you're thinking, I'm going to run out of gas? No, I didn't care. That was like my first speed of a race, right? I didn't care if I wrecked her. one and it was phenomenal. So when you made the late, late, late, late, late, late, late block on Austin Hill.

Yeah. Did you, hey, like, was that a you and a spotter move? Was that a you move? Like, what was that move? That was a spotter was like, get up, get up, get up. And I was just, whee-be-b-bo-p-p-p-p- You hesitated a little bit. It wasn't as quick as you wanted to be spotted. Was that sound?

I was just me bopping my way up there. Listen, there's nothing. Nothing worse is a spotter when you say get up and the driver is like casually moving up. You're like, you're like, I may get up now. Like stop going slow. Like, like, yeah. That was my mistake was I was like, are you sure? Like it was tight.

Yeah, that's what we're saying. We're clearing you because we are sure. But if you fucking wait, you're going to get wrecked. Yeah. Sorry. Well, my bad. That's a D. He cut me a break.

Who knew you could be the first one first? Yeah, I was going to say. But then Austin left me like four times at the end of the race. And then you didn't feel bad? You know who didn't cut him a break? 48. Oh, yeah. Parker cuts no brakes.

Oh, Parker, yeah. He was on a mission. No breaks. I want to back up just a minute. Because when you were here, when you were literally like a year ago, you were racing a lot of different things. How in the hell did you end up at RCR full-time in Exfinity series?

Like we talk about dreams coming true. How does that happen? So, I mean, long story short, and it's not to bad nothing that toyed up, I should have gone full-time truck racing, right? I deserved that opportunity. And Corey stayed in the 11, so I was going to go full-time in the one. And then that opportunity wasn't available after a few months.

So I just got to get knocked down the pecking order when I felt I did not deserve to be in that situation. So the hardest part was probably getting in the door at RCR, but once I got in the door and met the people, then it was super easy. I think it was just super easy once I got there. meet the people and see the organization firsthand. And it's a lot kind of like how my marker team was run where it's very family-oriented and kind of like how I enjoy racing. So it was a fun transition that was pretty easy. Obviously, got a really good crew chief and all the people there helped me out a lot.

So it was kind of a no-brainer. But getting in the door was the hard part first. I would say it happened quick, right? Yeah, absolutely. It was I met with them on a Wednesday afternoon or after the shop. everybody thought it was Carl Edwards so swear to God they'll have the shop closed down and everything for me to walk in and meet the people

and they thought it was Carl Edwards but I probably signed the contract a week week and a half later that's insane so Exfinity series full time quite the jump I mean to be where you were a year ago to where you are now biggest surprise you faced in that series

saving fuel yeah I mean I would say just the details of it me and Danes Stockman talk about it a lot but you don't have to worry about details in ARCA you can screw up a lot of things and still win the race. You make a mistake on pit road, you make a mistake qualifying, lose stage points, whatever it may be. If you make a mistake, you're screwed for either that stage or if you make it in stage three for the rest of the race. So that's the biggest thing for me is the details of the Xfinney series, and obviously as you

move up to the Cups series, the details get even, you know, more severe when you make that that mistake. And we're just trying to be mistake-free old weekend. And if you're not, you're in big trouble. So that's been the biggest part for me. Obviously, as a driver's standpoint, qualifying is hard because there's such a big delta from practice to you're running so slow at the end of practice. And then you're going three, four seconds faster and qualifying. It's ridiculous. So that's another big thing for me right now. And Brandon Maness is spotting for you, right? Yeah. Branden's awesome. He did a really good job this weekend. Yeah. Benish. I found this out yesterday. It's not Banish. We've been saying this motherfucker.

name wrong. For 20 years? Are you Banesh? Benish. What? Yeah. He's like, he's like, yeah, they say Banesh and it's not my name. I was like, what do you mean?

It's not your name. That's what I've been calling you for 20 years. Wow. I feel bad. Just let it go. Just let it go now. Just let it go. Oh, did you boys have fun with Talladega?

No. I was going to say. Somebody, was it you last night text me about, they said, did Redick or did Tyler even lift? I was like, yeah, lifted the whole fucking race. He's running half throttle like the rest of us. That sucks. No kidding. How many times

did you run half throttle in an Xfinity series race? Never. That's... Under yellow when he was saving fuel.

Yeah. Only trying to get a push. You better not lie. I'm going to go back and look. You're SMT merchant. Yeah. No, only run I'm trying to get a push.

I just, I got to know, like, so TV, you're watching on TV, Casey, you're watching on TV. I mean, I know you're a little bit more experience of a viewer.

Uh-huh. Is it obvious? I mean, is it obvious? Is it, is it up? I mean, is drunk as drunk as you are your bat to bag. I didn't start drinking until after the race.

Bulls. So is it obvious on television that we're running half throttle? Are they talking about it? So, yes. It's obvious that you're running slower. It's not obvious you're half throttle. The only tool that we had to go off of visually when they would shoot tight or even wide zoom was the miles per hour that the leader was running.

And it was obviously, man, it got 20, 18 miles an hour slower. than when you would run wide open. But I pulled up timing and the scoring. It was six seconds off. Like on our scoring apps, it says best lap time and the last lap time. So as a fan of the sport and as somebody who's worked in it, I literally am sitting there and I'm like, they're not racing.

They're riding. Yeah. What you would do would be we had a little bit of a window going into it where you can run five hard laps maybe, and try to manufacture from the track position. So like when that third lane forms, you get up, you block it, you drive to the front, and then you just ride. Like once you get track position, once you're in the top 15, 20, that's all you need to really be.

Circumstances get you into different positions. But, you know, when you look at Austin Dillon right now, you look at Harrison Burton, you look at, you know, Justin Haley, I could keep going. There were a lot of cars that if they had gotten together and ran full out, if they'd gone 100% throttle, how far ahead of the pack could they have gotten and would it have put them in a position that after a pit stop, it would have mattered? Because, I mean, like you look at B.J. McLeod. I mean, it was obvious that anybody who was willing to stay in the throttle could lead the race. Yeah.

Which is super weird. I mean, and we've always had Cinderella stories at Daytona, Talladega, mainly Talladega, because handling doesn't come into play. But, like, I don't understand why nobody just sacrificed speed for fuel sales. savings just to see what would happen. Toytus tried to do it. We tried at the end. Yeah. And it was going to...

John Hunter. It was going to be... But y'all weren't running that much faster. We were pretty fast. We were a second faster. Would y'all have made that up back up? I mean, you don't really need to make the gap up. You just need to make up to you jump them.

Like, that's all you're really trying to do. Yeah. And we would have easily jumped them. And then it also puts you a position where it won the race for them. Because we were talking about it. Unfortunately, it worked out this way. but you do that. You're making time up on the pack.

You're running, I mean, we only got about three laps into it. And it's basically to, you know, see how they react. Everybody's up there running half throttle. We come in,

now we're going to run wide open to the end and make up time. Now what they're going to do? You know, like, what are they going to start running wide open now, run themselves,

put themselves in a bad spot? Are they going to keep saving and let us catch them or jump them? And at the same time, if a yellow comes out, we all cycle to delete. Yeah. On TV,

it sounded like y'all running like two tents faster. Well, there was like the lead car was, I looked down one time. The last, the last time I looked, it was like six or seven tenths. Was that the 34? Danny, I think the 34 was leading. And Danny was like the fifth car in line maybe. And he ran like a, he ran like a 70 and they were running 30s. So we were, I mean, we were quite a bit faster.

I'm sure they were going to react. You know, I don't know what we were talking about. We were starting to go hard. We were going to try to run everybody out. Yeah. So, so, I mean, it's just. Why were you all different on fuel? Uh, uh,

well with the last run of the race yeah because i saw that matt was selling the six to push and i was yeah we were trying to push because all the chevies were trying to save and we're like all right well let's force them let's force their hand to not be able to do it so if you're if they're running faster that the group's running faster than they want to run and we get away they're going to be in trouble you know what i mean they need the group to save fuel and if that group's hauling ass they got to run a certain speed so you push them to a certain speed and um which i feel like it was going to work because if we could have got to second, Brad can, we can push.

Like, we push the 17 to the lead from, you know. You know, Brad can push. We can push. But the 38 and 34 we're trying to save up front, and you can't do that. What are you trying to say? Listen to the clowns. We get T.J. mad right here.

No, I did. That's not going to make me mad. You just closed your eyes the whole time you were saying that because you're made. I usually always close my eyes when you talk because I don't know what's coming out. And but yeah, I don't know. We were just trying to push them out of fuel and put them in a scenario they didn't want to be in. And I think if we could have got to pace fast enough, which I think we were getting there.

Like it was they didn't want to do it, but I'm down there like telling these guys, look, if we don't push these guys, we're going to get beat. So we got to push them and force their hand. And we were just starting, we were just starting to really take off whenever. those guys decided they couldn't stay in line. I mean, the goal here is to spend less time on pit road. I get that. But if you're going four to six seconds a lap slower than top speed, I just don't understand why he's Stuart Haas racing and some of those guys that are so far

down in points in our must-win scenarios in stage one didn't say, hey, let's just go wide open. Because even if it doesn't work out, and I think it would, but even if it doesn't, you're not going to get lapped. It's not just, so this is what people, there's a lot more to it. I don't like are we going to talk about the this is this a segment we're talking about sure let's let's talk about the fuel saving part yeah like if we don't save fuel we're going to be the whole like it's not the it's not the race is fault it's the we have it's the engineers and the teams that have figured out a way to the most efficient way and that's the most efficient way to do it but there's a lot

more to it than what people think it's not just a fast pit stop it is your in lap your outlap how many in your group, how quick you'd organize, how the driver is on pit road. There's the how fat, I mean, there's, there's more to it. There's a lot of things that have to add up to get your track position after the stop. So, which is kind of, which is kind of cool. And without us and do you agree it's not racing? I mean, you're not going as hard as you can, but that's not the fastest way to be. That's not the most efficient way to win the race. If you're NASCAR, if I were NASCAR, I'll phrase it this way. If I were NASCAR, I would take my two smartest guys. Why? I think I'd do good.

Yeah. I think I would take scoring pylons down at racetracks. I would bring in the two smartest guys in the NASCAR company that are competition-related. And I don't know who that is these days. But I would bring those two guys in. Let's just say it's Chad Little and Elton Sawyer because they're former racers and they're now business guys and they're highly intelligent. And then I would pick the two smartest crew chiefs I know and the two smartest drivers I know. And I would sit in a room and I'd say, how do we make it where you guys? have to race a full race again because right now you're not racing and it's a four-hour show

with 30 minutes of racing max right now i'm going to tell you right now there's no remedy none because if you if you if you say you know i've seen people say shorten the stages so that it's a few it's a fuel what okay then we run wide open you can't pass oh we well that's the thing you know we don't have these strategies if there's no if that's a bigger problem that's the problem with this package we've been i've been beating it to death on here i'm sorry i beat a dead horse but like you can't pass with this package. When you saw after the big Toyota wreck, the field got two by two and what did they do

the rest of the race? Two by two. I saw the third lane. When I saw Ty Gibbs move up to throw that block on a third lane, I was like, what are you doing, dude? This is another thing, too. Guys are still throwing blocks in the third lane. When you don't throw a block, you have to build momentum. These guys are going up there, slam in the door on guys. And you're stopping it. Kills the lane, too.

And that is, I don't, this is, remember Daytona, I preached about do your homework about it. You can't send your guy up there and think it's going to go forward. If you're not going forward. You need to be going forward and pulling that lane when you start it. Even if they were going forward, it wasn't going to work. It wasn't going to go on in front, but it would have died like it did. We had a deal yesterday where there's a number that we had lap time-wise that was, okay, you can run a third lane right now. Once the pace falls off

enough, that means we can run the third lane because they're not running hard enough. We can make it work. Once you get to the end and everybody's running hard, you cannot go to the third lane. It's just not possible. Like, no matter what you do, you might be able to get a little, I'd seen one time who was up there, Van Gisberger. He had a good run. He had a good run. That's my point. It just goes backwards after that.

That's my point, though. Like, and this is not to discredit Jesse Love. But we could put him in a cup car tomorrow, and he could go 100% lead the race if he wanted to because nobody wants to lead. Everybody wants to. There were 70 plus lead changes in a race that would normally make it a good lead change. John Hunter wanted to lead the heck out of that thing. It's just, it's unfortunate that we're in his position.

but when you say there's no remedy, that is partly where I wanted to get to. There has to be a remedy or Talladega is f***. Let me tell you something. Taledegas f***ed. Because you can't, when everybody's running wide open, you're never going to get more than two by two side by side going back and forth. Maybe the leader gets clear and goes back and forth. That's it. There's nothing you can do.

So that's why you see the fuel saving because once you get to that point, if you don't have track position, you're just along for the ride. So Eric Jones during the race made a comment saying we're running 20 miles per hour or 20 miles per hour off full of full speed right here. I put my throttle down one eighth and drove by 15 people. And he's talking about how should people be penalized a lap if they're only going like if they're not running max speed. And obviously he was referencing that 100% rule, which Bob clarified it doesn't apply. But that rule died when Brian France got fired. Okay. I think.

But does that, is that something that could be a potential solution? of penalizing No, no, no, you can't penalize a guy for not going wide open. I mean, it's part of the strategy. Somebody, somebody was on Twitter last night commented like, you know, the teams ruin this race. I'm like, I ain't the teams.

They're doing whatever it gets them to win the race, like whatever strategy, whatever they have to do to win the race, that's what they're all going to do. Like this, they're just playing with the cards they're dealt. And this is the only way to win the race. There is a big chess match going on during that race with all of us out there.

Oh, listen, I mean, there's still a lot happening. You're still spotting. Like, you're trying to manipulate a lot of things in that first. And it's all before the pit stop of each stage. So you're trying to manipulate, you know, where you're at in line. Saving fuel, but you want to be the front half of the field saving fuel. Who are you pitting with? How many are you pitting?

Are you pitting from the second lane? Are you coming with this group? Don't get down there in the bumps and spin out like your favorite guy. It's just like it's, it's the worst form of super speed racing I've ever. done and it's we said on or i said on the first show we did after daytona 500 when this car debuted this car is garbage at super speedway races i've sent on here it's multiple times this car has ruined the best stuff about our sport short tracks and super speedways it's great on a mile and a halfs most of them but i mean that all we're going to hang our hat on it's it's it sucks

at road courses like it's like i mean it's obviously easier to drive at road courses and and and these guys haul ass there but the road course but the road course course races suck. The short track races suck. Now the speedway races suck. Like, what are we doing? Here's what's weird, too, is I'm only, you know, Jesse for this. You went out one Xfinity series race. You gained a ton of experience. If you put yourself in your shoes yesterday and you were a rookie in that race, there's not a ton of opportunity for you to learn how to throw blocks, what the air is going to do because you're not racing 100% of the race. Yeah, I mean, I don't think Shane learned a lot about how to go win a cup race.

yesterday. I mean, he learned, obviously, some, how to save fuel. But that's just such a weird former racing right now, and it sucks to watch because the entertaining, when you're three-wide, four-wide is cool, but you know they're not going to wreck, which is a good thing that they're not going to tear up stuff, but you know that they're not driving 100%. And that's, like, as a fan, because I was a fan yesterday, watching the race, was a frustrating part. We qualify in a affinity car single car draft or single car run at like 181 and they're running 175 179 it's crazy to think about and then when it's like okay it's go time and i was you know watching the race with somebody and i was like here's where it'll get a little bit more dicey and right as i said that it was stupid because

then they all got you know double file and just rode in the line back all it is is a you know tug-a-war between the top lane and bottom lines sometimes leader can kind of go top-bottom but it's just i don't know. I'm not educated enough to even comment on what they need to do to fix it. But it is frustrating to watch. I feel like Dale Earnhardt would roll over in his grave over what we're doing at these places. So like we like getting ready for Daytona, there's a kid that's spotting now that I helped get a job. And before Daytona, he's like, let's go over some stuff. And I'm like, man, I said, what? He was going to spot both races. And I'm like, the X-Vin race is going to be way harder to spot than the cup race. And that's obviously not the way it should be. But the

Cup races, just get in line, manager gaps out front, and, and, and, and, and, like, two, three laps. Like, and, and, and, like, you're not, that's, the easiest has ever been the spot. I mean, there's stuff you can, like, there's ways that you have to, you know, make some moves to get track position wise, but other than that, you're just, just, just, just, all right, just ride in line here. You're in line. Go ahead.

Save fuel. Like, what, like, like, it's just, it's, it's, it's frustrating because you put so so much, TJ did, you did, you know, Jesse does now for, for, you put so much time and effort into getting good at something, watching film, learning tendencies, how to get good at plate racing, and now that's all been crumbled up in a ball and thrown out the window because it doesn't matter anymore.

It's just different. It's just evolving into something else. Like Ty Gibbs, the move Ty Gibbs made yesterday yesterday was a great move four years ago. You know what I mean? That was a move that would have propelled him forward and probably to the lead. But yesterday, with this car, it doesn't go anywhere.

KB did the same thing. He moved up and I was like, oh, sweet, that's going to roll. And then I had not been thinking about if you have to have, you know, four momentum when you pull out a line, all that stuff. I was just like, hell yeah, let's go, KB. And it went straight to the back. And it's just ridiculous.

And if any car, it would have tugged that lane hard. He took to Twitter. He took Twitter after that and said, ride in line, finish where you are, try the race for a win and finish last, that he hates these cars. I mean. Is that what he said? Yep. Oh, he was pretty vocal.

He really hated these cars this year. A little bit. The only way the top line had any chance scientifically of working is when the first two cars got tandem. And it would carry them to about the fourth row. But the second they were not tandem, anchors out and they're going backwards. I think I'm not sure if we could, but I think the best shot would probably be Brad and Chris leading the lane. And, you know, someone that could stay with us behind us. I don't know what Chris had going on yesterday.

I don't know if he was saving that hard or there was a couple times up top. When he was leading the lane? Yeah. Yeah, they were all saving. I know we were saved, but there was one time we weren't to say, like we're end of the stage riding and he, like, he killed our lane one time. I don't know if he got somebody turned him and got loose or like, we're going out of a backstretched and I'm like, I saw that stack.

I think the 17th broke. Like I was like, he's leading our line. We're back. We lost five rows. I was like, something had to happen because it looked out of place. Herm just, Herm said he like, he said, I don't know. He said, we just lost. He goes, I was there.

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Speaking of broke, did you know it's cheaper to tear down a scoring pylon than to change a few light bulbs in it? Really? I feel like we kind of brought some attention to the pylon scoring missing at Texas last week. I feel like Denny brought a lot of attention to the pylon's missing. And as he should. And so it was said by a NASCAR spokesperson, according to Giordi. And I thought it was Elton.

Sorry, but it wasn't. It was Mike Ford. That they were outdated, needed to come down. And then I saw where Chip Wild told Denny that they were to service the people in the infield. I've been going to race this since I was four years old. First thing I do when I get there, when I walk inside of the grandstand area or in the infield or anywhere in a garage is look up at the scoreboard. So to say that people in the grandstands don't use the scoreboard is the most ignorant thing I potentially ever heard. You can be anywhere in the track and see if there's a practice going on and you're like, who's fast?

Okay. You don't have to go reposition yourself to see a screen. I seen yesterday or I talked to an official yesterday that was capturing cars on pit road after the race. or after qualifying. And he's like, we don't know. That's how we rely. Who's the top five? All right, we got to capture these five guys. You know, he's like,

somebody tell me who we got to capture here because we don't know. You know, yesterday, you know, as you know, both you know, Jesse, you never spotted. But, you know, you're in your binoculars, I don't know, 75% of a lap there. So you're not, I would make sure I would scan by the scoreboard so you can see it. You know, all right, I see. Now, yesterday I had to find myself taking my binoculars down and looking down. and looking down at the TV screen to see how many laps there was left. And I'll tell you this, the thing didn't change all the time at exactly the start, finish time.

Exactly right. And it would change in the middle of one and two. So I'd be down, I'd look down like, all right, 12 to go. I look up and it's 11 to go. And there's times yesterday I looked down, they're playing a replay. When they play a replay, there's nothing on the screen. It's just a replay. You know how sometimes on the big screens when they would show a rack on the track somewhere

and you glance what you're like, oh, they're wrecking. Like, that's scarier now. This made my blood boil. Like taking these scoreboard. He's scoreboards down. That's what they are, scoring pylon. For me to be there as a paying fan and not know. I mean, Talladega,

they come by. And you're like, man, no, where's my driver? You'd have to look on the scoreboard to figure it out. Now you don't even have that tool. And I don't know what they meant by outdated. There's a lot of things way more outdated than the damn scoring pylon in Talladega. You're going to get called to holler for that. He's right.

I don't know what they mean by that. That's why I said. So you're telling me it's cheaper to tear the scoreboard down than it is. is to change a few light bulbs and update it? You look at North Wilkesboro. Sorry, Andrew. North Wilkesboro, they had a very outdated scoreboard, obviously. I mean, it hadn't used it in whatever, 15, 20 years since we've been there.

What did they do? They kept the scoreboard or a pylon and redid it with LED lights to make it look, you know, the vintage, what it used to look like. You're telling me you couldn't do that. But the same company just tore two scoring pylons down to Texas. So is this an industry move that they've decided? And these people, quote, thought about it. No, you didn't think about it.

And you didn't consult with people who actually come to events. No. And when I seen the thing that said, like, well, you know, you have the app on your phone. That's exactly what we want people to do. Like, don't watch the race. Look at your phone the whole time. That don't work. Yeah.

I mean, I don't know. I didn't, obviously, we have our own Wi-Fi on the roof, so I don't know. But I've got to guess. Like, Talladega is one of the notorious places that it doesn't work. Your phone don't work. Yeah. Yeah. Now, maybe that Wi-Fi was a little better.

I don't know. I can't comment on that. But even if it does work, I don't want people looking at their phone the whole race. That's the other funny part is they were like, well, it only really helped the people in the infield. How many people are in the Talladega infield? A lot. You know, I'm talking about going, the Rangers are into playoffs right now, and they're playing in D.C. Or they're playing in D.C. on Friday, and it's not far from Dover.

So I'm talking about I might go to the game on Friday night. And I'm like, just think about there's no scoreboard. Like, look at my phone and see what the score is or how much time's left in the period? Like, it's a fucking scoreboard for a reason. Remember Fontana scoreboard? Remember it had the, if you were down a lap, I had minus one next to your number and stuff.

And it will weigh down. I assume that one's torn down too now. Oh, I'm sure. Who ever said, take the scoreboard down should be fired. For now. It'll be gone. What if they just put up new ones that are better? Can he have his job?

If they can have a job back? If they listen and put up new scoreboards, they can have their job back. Do you think we'll have a new scoreboard to tell they going to go back? Nope. you all think so I doubt it

I'd rather look around that scoring pile on than spot down in a turn of three on the bottom you can't even see the cars like they put that thing up in the middle like you miss a part of the backstretch because they put that big screen up there I'll deal with that yeah well I'm saying you can't even see the cars

in the three at Halliday because the bottom they built that berm up on the bank the inside yeah yeah like the RV part you spot it last year like it's hard to see man I think it was Harrison last year got turned and you couldn't even tell

I had no idea. Like, he just disappeared. I was like, where the f-21 go? Yeah. Here you go. Another trending topic from the week was Steve O'Donnell's comments around charter agreements and how they are close to reaching an agreement. What are you guys hearing on that one?

It's just kind of weird that that comes out. And then the first thing that comes out from the ownership side is they've had no movement. Which one he thinks, which one of you think is accurate? I'm going to go with the no. movement side because there seemed like there's one guy that said they were close and just about every owner that i seen i actually called a team executive last week um to ask him point blank what did you say i said which one i can't tell you i called a team executive casey and i said where are you guys out on his charter agreement because we talked about last week or two weeks ago it's a

really big deal and then you see that they say that there's they're close to a deal and and literally the words to me was we haven't heard from them so no movement is bad. I've seen where Danny said that there was like the three or four main bullet points that they're trying to address was there's no, there's no consent. Here's, and this is one of the sticking points. I don't know if I'm supposed to say this or not. But if you owned something and they told you you could have this worth for seven years, but you thought that your position in the sport was worth it for a lifetime,

that is a big deal. It's like me giving you a charter, and I'm telling you, all right, Freddie, I'm going to let you have this for seven years, and you go, no, I want it forever. Like if I'm invested here, I want it forever. And they go, no, you can't have it forever.

We're going to basically let you have it for seven years. So essentially, you're building your house on land that you do not own. And then the landowner could come back in seven years and go, I'm taking the house from you. So I think a big sticking point in this thing, Casey, is these guys don't want a house. to negotiate this charter agreement every five years or seven years, nor would I if I were an owner. I would want to know that my investment, think about how much money Matt Collick has spent

in the last three years. Think about how much money Denny Hamlin and Michael Jordan have spent in the last three years. Think about how much money Justin Marks has spent in the last three to five years, three to four years, however long he's been around with track house. Like, it's hard to tell me to build a mansion on land I don't own. Yeah, I mean, you look at. it, what, who bought, spire by BJ's charter? Spire. $40 million they spent last year on that charter. And right now there's no guarantee they're going to have, you know,

it might get taken away from them next year. That would be insane. And there's new money coming in right now. Like when you look at Rouse Fenway Kislauski Racing, obviously Finway was a partner 15, 18 years ago. They came in. Richard Childress took on an investor. There's a lot of new money being,

we hear Michael Andretti's name a lot right now. We hear that he potentially, you know, GameBridge was involved in the Spire thing. So that's a good thing. But if there's no long, long, long term plan, it's a gamble. Interesting. Well, before we had the spot on spot off, of course, we want to congratulate 2311 and our friend Tyler Reddick on the win yesterday. A lot came out of the race, but I will say having MJ in Victory Lane and seeing how excited he was might have been a highlight. How old do you think Bo is going to have to get before he realizes?

of Michael Jordan was holding him in Victory Lane. Like, is that not the coolest moment? I thought he was holding Tyler. When Alexa passed Bob the MJ, you see Bo the MJ. You see Bo's face like, I don't know who this is. Who the hell is this guy? And then MJ never gave him up. Like Alexa gave, I saw it on Pit Road.

Alexa handed Bo to MJ. And then next, I never saw him without Boe until like they got well into Victory Lane celebrations. I see him in Victory Lane. Ty was pulling in. MJ still got Bow in his hands. I did see with the comments. just said it would look the same if he picked Tyler up like that.

It would be, yeah. Well, really cool. It's awesome to see that this team is growing. It's, it was awesome to see just their reaction. You know, like, and listen, we talk about teamwork and stuff like that. If you notice, which, you know, obviously our plan, whether it was going to work or not, we ended up looking pretty foolish, all wrecking ourselves. Yeah, all that all wrecked yourself.

Just one guy wrecked you. Is it worse than like coming off a turn four running one, two, three as a manufacturer? and not winning the race because they did everything they could they did everything right they if you watch go back and watch we were me and lambert were riding to the airport because we were unfortunately out of the race me lambin's TV and you look and see the 10 and somebody else were behind the 19 and 50 45 and I'm like they're going to stop pushing they're just going to stop push it well wow yeah so down the back straightaway all of a sudden you see them just back up and that that's when you guys all get clear on the bottom yeah I don't think it was because of them

they didn't back off right then uh yeah it did like there's if you really think those guys are just going to sacrifice it I don't know I don't know what they were doing but they they backed all there was a giant gap between the 19 and the 10 so they did something different and they did just randomly get the three cars clear on the bottom no really you don't think we didn't plan that ahead no yeah I think I think you plan oh what what are you talking about I'm just yeah we don't know we're doing a play we just randomly got clear we could have we could have pushed the 34 out clear and whatever we wanted to okay uh

If you go back and watch the fucking replay of the back straightaway, the 10 car, does the 10 car not back off the 19? The 10 car. Does he not back off the 19? They were getting spread out before that. Does he not back off the 19, TJ? I don't know. I'm not watching him.

I'm watching my car. I said, go back and watch the replay. There's a two-car gap between the 10 and the 19 because they backed off to stop pushing a Toyota to the win. That's why three cars got clear on the bottom. So you think the two Toyotas on the top could have pushed to the win? Because you're a f*** if you think that's right. Obviously they couldn't. They needed help is my fucking point.

Donner. They needed help and they didn't get it because the Ford's backed off of them. I don't think you're getting them to back off. I've never heard T.J. Carson Warren. I think it's what you're coming to the Chegger flag and you're sitting here telling me guys are lifting from third row back because they're not. Those guys, we're sitting there's a guy. When I saw Noah get up, I think it was Noah. I literally said if he doesn't push right here, this top lane's dead.

And what happened? He stopped pushing and the top lane died. Tyler Reddick was fifth and backing up. upcoming off turn four. Weird. That's just because TJ planned it that way. Fucking God.

My God. I mean, Jesus Christ. Yeah, we just randomly got clear on the bottom by not, by just not pushing ahead. Yeah. We just randomly got clear for Eddie.

You did. You just randomly got clear because the top lane stopped fucking pushing each other. Y'all aren't supposed to cuss a lot on the show today. Or the bottom lane knew what they were doing. Just beat the whole thing out.

My hand is just hovered over the curse. It is. It's our first plate race. We don't know how to, you know, manipulate a run. It looked like you for plate race coming off before.

You all wrecked each other and didn't win the fucking race. We didn't wreck anybody. One guy tried to cover the entire track. All right. Whoa. I don't think Jesse's been to band. Brett, okay.

So, Brett. Yes. What it looked like to you? Well, when I saw the 10 get up, I literally said my mind if he stops pushing a Ford wins his race. I honestly thought the 10 stayed on the bottom. And ironically, that lane died. Just so you guys know, pretty sure the 10 was on the bottom.

He may have been on the bottom. I watched somebody get up. I don't know. I mean, you watch the fucking replay. You tell me, you know it all? One of the one of the one of the one of the, One of the four of the ten, they were identical cars. I will give you that because they didn't look alone.

One of them got behind the 19 and stopped pushing down the backstretch. That's all there was to it. Like whether or not it was playing, whether he was backing up, they stopped pushing down the back straightaway. And that's why the bottom lane got clear. Well, one and one thing I'll say about Michael Jordan since for talking about Michael Jordan. I've been trying to shift a spot on, spot off for like 10 minutes. It's my son who has a lot of access to our sport.

obviously all my kids do. My son is more excited about Michael Jordan being at the racetrack than anything that could happen in the NASCAR world. And my point of that is when I look at Jesse Love, who is 19 years old, like we have got to figure out a way to go back and connect to teenagers and young people, and we've got to get them excited about our sport. We're not going to do it riding around at 60% throttle because their dads ain't going to take them to the racetrack. So Michael Jordan, thank you for being there.

I'm glad you won the race. And it's a big deal. I would imagine that every sports show in America today. The fans not like the three wide, like the strategy part of it? Because, I mean, you're not racing, TJ. You are racing, but you're like. I'm just saying. You're an NFL guy.

You're an NFL guy. Let's have a route to where your wide receiver runs 60%. Walk. Walk routes. Walk your route. Is that going to be exciting for a fan to watch you understands racing? That's what Stefan Diggs did the last part of the year. Seven Giggs is about.

They fired him. Yeah, I mean, it's not. it's... Are you going to watch NFL game for its flag football for half the game? Tell me this. What's more exciting? That, which you saw, or is two by two and nobody passing anybody? Oh, no. I don't want that. I don't want that either, but it's literally, it's the Brett's point. It's either going to have to be that. It's watching football if they couldn't run. It's either going to be the strategy and the drivers manipulating the fuel and engineers and all that calling a race like that. Or we need to do something. We need to put the wicker bill on the top and get them where they can go 18 wide. I tweeted last night. You would like this package. And I tweeted last night, the Freddie, I don't necessarily like the package.

I just don't want it to be a free for all. I don't want it to be a free-for-all. I want it to be back where you build a fast car. If you're a professional athlete and you're not operating at 100% of your talent level, then you're not a professional athlete that I need. Spot on, spot off. Spot off. Spot off.

Yeah, spot all. It was super fun yesterday to ride her out, Marin. I am spot off. Damn. Where did he come from? First topic, Joey Lugano shares on Series XM earlier this week that he is jealous of how much off-throttle time the Exfinity cars have compared to the next genes. Jesse. He should be.

I mean, I'm spot on with that because Xenity cars the most fun thing that I've ever driven on pavement. Obviously, no, it's not a sprint car or something, but Phoenix were dead sideways almost every lap. You go to Texas was the only kind of cooler, I thought, where it was hard to pass and not much fun. But everywhere else I've been to, you are just hung out sideways, right? Even if you're tight, you're able to rip the thing off the wall and create a bunch of yaw moment and make a lot of speed that way, which is kind of how I like to drive it. And it just looks fun to drive on TV, and then you get in the car, and it's even more fun to drive. So the Xfinney stuff is, I think, definitely the best show every week. And it's, I think, because we have a lot of horsepower and not a lot of downforce and less tire than the cup car.

And it just works out that way. So I think I'm spot on for that one. Have you made laps, I mean, obviously not in a cup car, but like on a sim or anything? No. No. Well, I'm racing. But as a driver, you can tell how something drives just by kind of watching people do their deal inside the car. And it just looks like you have a ton of grip and then you have none and you're just on that razor's edge the whole time of trying to figure out where that limit is.

Listen to the Xfinity Series we talk about all the time how great it is and Joy Lugano is a talented race car driver, a Hall of Fame guy. And he's absolutely right. I mean, and Jesse's telling you everything that makes the Xfinity Series cars so great. They do slide around. You know, you can drive it in deeper and miss the corner and make and save the car. When these cars get sideways in the cup car, you're wrecked. There is no saving the car. So I'm spot on for what, you know, Joy said here.

I'm also curious as to what TJ just found on his phone because I know he was looking at data. I just had to switch my what an idiot. That's all. I'm pretty sure he has data set for the next few topics. I've had my one idiot for a week now. Freddie, spot on, spot off. Well, even though he's an idiot, T. T.J.

great, good point about it in the past of how much you can manipulate guys. You know, you can drive up somebody's quarter panel there or, you know, to their bumper or pack air on their left rear. And you can make things happen with your- You have offensive weapons. Yeah, you have ability to affect the other guy. Like our cars now, we can't do that, it seems like. So that's the biggest thing for me is, you know, you can race around each other on top of. And the reason why you can race around each other is because you're off the throttle. You know what I mean?

Like we talked, Danny, I think it was, was talking about Martinsville. I think maybe Cynjerk was a lap car holding him up. And he's like, I was trying to punt this guy out of the way because he was holding me up. And I couldn't get to him. He's like, I couldn't do it. He's like, as much as I wanted to hit him, I couldn't do it. So that's the biggest difference for me. And then obviously, it's just, you know, we talk about it every way.

It's a better race. Like, you watch him and it's just, I mean, could you imagine those cars with another 200 horsepower? Like, that would be unbelievable. But it is what it is. And it's just, you know. The cup driver that's having the most fun is probably Eric Amarola and driving the Xfinney car. Like seeing him, I don't know Eric before he went to Xfinney car. doing the Xfinity stuff, but he looks like he's having a lot of fun doing it.

I mean, who was it Ross? Was it Ross that came on here and talked? He said, it's way more fun to drive the Xfinity car versus the cup car. Like it's just, you can just, a race car driver, like you or, you know, somebody that's grew up racing and especially Dirt World or dirt background or just any kind of really, anybody that really wants to race is going to have more fun driving that Xfinity car than they are driving the cup car. I think Eric's having fun because he's in really fast cars too.

Yeah, it doesn't hurt. Yeah. If he wasn't in super fast cars racing up front, I don't know if he'd be. having as much fun. But, you know, he's got as compared to a lot of guys in that series, he's got tons of experience. You know, he's been a cup driver for how many years, 10, 12, 15, yeah, more than something. Yeah, 15 years. And, you know, obviously a talent too. And he goes there and he knows how to put a race together. But the cars are harder to drive. And we saw it with the cup cars at Bristol. When the driver came into play more,

you saw the guys that have been around longer and been in part of that situation. before they rose at the top more too like Denny, Martin, Brad have been around forever. They've had to drive cars where you had to manage and do things. And I think, I mean, a 500-mile ex-fini race, but the cup drivers would be fun.

I mean, could you imagine that? Put it on any track you want anywhere right now. We talked about this next topic quite a bit earlier. Fuel mileage racing is the future of speedway racing. Spot on, spot off Brett.

I think it's the now. Well, Martin Truex said it's the future. is. It's been the now for a while, and they've got to fix the future, or Speedway racing. I mean, you look at Atlanta Motor Speedway, right? The new Atlanta. It's exciting

to watch from beginning to end in these cup cars. And if they go out there, and they got to go out there and ride around 50, 60% throttle, it's not going to be. Well, they do that there. We do it there. I mean, it's... Yeah, we're still doing it there. The difference about Atlanta is

the optics. What's just, everything instead of being this wide is this wide. And you can get into a bad scenario at Atlanta, though. Like, it's just narrow into three. And you can, I mean, I don't know. They got to figure out a way to fix this. I mean, well, Martin. Why don't the Exfinity cars do it?

So if y'all take four tires, then you're full on fuel or no? No, no, no, no. No, no. What, are you empty? It depends on how much you're putting in. Yeah. If you're getting a full tank, you run a full, four. Fuel run, yeah, oh yeah. You're going to win out fuel. They can change the tires quicker than they can take fuel. Yeah.

And that's, that's an issue. Like us, like we are kind of taking two right sides or left sides or whatever based off how much fuel we're putting in the thing. Where if y'all were wearing out the tires a ton and you're forced to take four every stop, it can open that. I mean, I don't, I really, it's hard to speak to it. But I don't know that we, did you? I don't know that you ever filled the car yesterday. It was like just enough to get to this mark. Then just enough to get to this mark. You only fill it under the stage brakes. Yeah. Because we came down coming to the one to go. Everyone, we did it the first time and only a few cars did it.

But from there on out, everybody did it coming. I mean, there was how many cars single file? It was like a single file restart. Yeah. It looked like an old school restart with lap cars on the inside. There was like six or eight cars two double wide and the rest were single file. But we came to, we were, I thought we were kind of planning on being the only ones to come down bedroom.

And I looked at I was like, I was like, uh, everybody's coming. Yeah. Because it's like, it's like one of them things like, you know how it at plate races, a lot of times guys will pit off sequence just to be away from everybody. So you don't have an issue on the road. So not hit each other on pit road to not spin out. So then we all come where we're just coming on one to go. And you come up what to go and you're like, all right, well, here comes everybody,

but like three cars. It's like, oh, now we put ourselves back in this box. Yeah, I just feel like it's going to, if we switch it the other way and everybody can run over each other and we can get the huge runs and be eight wide across the line. We're going to have multiple, multiple, multiple big wrecks every single race. What did y'all think about Corey Lejoy wrecking Exiting Pit Road because of the puddles? I don't know why he hit it. Those puddles were there. I mean, I told Brad, when you're leaving pit road, you need to be at least a carlingth away from the yellow line because it's wet.

I didn't know he wrecked. We spent out. Oh, yeah, he spun out. Leaving pit road. Exiting pit road, he hit the puddles and he spun out to the left. He got out on the other line where it was really wet right there. And I mean, it was, I mean, it was, I mean, it was, obviously. It wasn't like it snuck up on you. So do you think it's okay? It was wet? Well, I mean, it looked like weepers to me. Like it wasn't, I think they tried it and I think it just we. It wasn't on the actual racing. You had to try to go hit that stuff if you were going to hit it.

Like you had to actually go up there and do it. And it didn't bother me. I didn't think it was an issue. So you think Corey just was the only guy that was dumb enough? I saw the 16 get on it and about spin out, but he saved it. I mean, it's, dude, it's no different than I mean, we used to race with stuff like that at Fontana. Hey, this wet would stay away from it. Like, you know, and it was literally, like, you had to go up there. It was on the other line and above. So if you were on the other line right there, you were risking it.

And it just, I didn't see it being an issue. I mean, it wasn't, there's only an issue for one guy. I mean, I didn't. And I mean, I told Brad about it. I'm sure. Did you see him, Ray, Jesse? You see what I'm talking about? I didn't see it on TV at all.

They also blamed Denny wrecking on hitting water. I heard that, and I didn't see any water over. That was pretty dry. I listened to the full broadcast yesterday. Usually I have to mute it after a while, but I listen to the whole thing. And then when they were like, Denny ran through the water, I'm like, man, I don't see any water. So you mute Clint? Yes.

You have to mute Clint a lot. We had Clint so mad last week with text messaging, Casey. It just so happens that when you guys see something you're like in the broadcast, I see it too, and I text I mean, I get a text. I don't know how much he texts Clint, but I will get a text with Brett and Clint in it about 17 times

a race, and it's just Brett. Here was my text yesterday. What Fox NASCAR thinks that we want to see the intervals as a fan on the scoring pilot that's on the television? We only want to see how fast they're running

or what manufacturer they're in. Listen, he didn't reply to that one. I will tell you, and I've watched a couple of spending races this year, the worst thing about that I've noticed about the broadcast is the shoes it is completely backwards on the screen on how it should look I get so screwed up looking at that thing I can't it's it is completely backwards on how it looks text Clint next time that you see it will put you in our group it is it is so bad like and I do it every week so it's like you should it should come

naturally I'm like wait a minute who chose where that's not right oh it looks like yesterday Lagerflop. Yesterday, they went to come. So we're watching this race, and it's not super entertaining, but it's all right, right? But they get to the point to where Buster makes that move and that save, we went straight to commercial. And I text Clint. And Freddie was in this thread. And I was like, what dumbass thought it was a good idea to go to commercial at the literally the climax of what we've watched so far.

How many times do you start a text with what? A lot. Oh, I guess almost most of them. full-bone essay as to why we had to go to commercial. Most of his tweets started like that, too, D.C. When I looked at my group me last night, there was 77 messages from DBC, and I was like, I can't read all these. I was at Big Alas.

And I looked, the one that I picked, there's Andrew, Andrew, who's here today, thanks Andrew for coming by. Yeah. Welcome back. He had one. It was like, what was it? Christopher Bell one. It was like, oh, there's a big one of Tallinnage.

It's a picture of the DoorDash. They're wrecking, but it's just. I was like, we're a commercial. Oh, no. Oh, yeah. That's not good time. That wreck was something. I mean, it caught me off guard.

I was like, I was like, how are you wrecking? We're only half a problem. And then somebody said the magic words, which was who's involved? I'm like, yep. I'm so shocked. Speaking of wrecking, spot on, spot off. Michael McDowell throws a late block on the final lap starting a multi-car crash. He threw more than one late.

Spot on? Yeah, I don't. Oh, yeah, I'm really spot on for that. I mean, as much as you just praise Tyler for driving up there winning the race with nothing going on, like he just drove through everything. Just don't lift. Yeah.

Great win for Tyler, though, in them. But, like, that's the thing of play race. And he just be in the right spot. To me, he was out of the race off of turn four. Like, he wasn't going to win. He was out of the race down of extras, honestly. And it didn't. Which he didn't lift.

I'm glad you think he did. If it makes you sleep tonight, he lifted. I mean, he obviously. he backed off him. I don't know what to tell you. It's just how it worked out. I'm telling you. I forgot you were so good at the bottom. It, uh, I don't know. The block, like you can't, he blocked high, like, way high, all the way to the damn wall high. And then all the way to the other line bottom. You just can't do that. He looked to me like he was wrecking before he even got to the bottom. Like when he was, oh, he was coming down there.

I don't, like, when you're making that move, you know the guy is pretty much going to be there. you're just, you're just going to wreck yourself. I don't know where at some point, like, you have to know, okay, I'm just going to have to side draft him here and throw him down. Maybe I'll get a push or something. Like, you're still going to finish top three or four probably, right? Or top five at worst. I don't know why, like, it's hard.

So you help that spotter get that gig, right? Yeah, Michael. Yeah, he does a good job. So what was his role in all that? Did you talk to him? Do you swing out? No, he's standing right next to me, actually. No, I was like, dude, you can't.

that many lanes like that. He's like, I know. And that was it. So, I mean, you talk, we talk about on here, you got to do what you can. Michael McDowell is currently 26th in points. And you're leading off a turn four. And that's maybe your only shot to get in the playoffs. And that's, that's, that's, that's all he's thinking about right there. And I think he owned it. afterwards. I saw one interview. His interview was really good. I saw one interview. He's like, man, that's it. Like that's, you know, that's, that's, that's, I'm doing what I got to do to win the race. It's like, you know, it is what it is. And it, the first block was what you were happening to win the race. The second block is you're taking yourself pretty much out of the race.

And he was late. Yeah. If you're coming from the wall to the apron, you're going to be late on it. Like, it's just not. He was late. So speaking of late, Jesse Love wins the race Saturday. And honeymoon. What's that guy's name?

Honeyman. Honeyman. He was running at what looked like on TV 10 miles an hour faster than you. Six miles an hour. According to data. Jesse's also got data. You should take a look at it, Freddie. So he's six mile an hour.

faster than you. It was stupid how early this dude pulled out. How easy was that to block for you? Well, I was, so the reason, like if I were you, I would, like, I don't spot off what Michael did, right? Because when I was in my position where I did a terrible job getting way too far out. I saw that. I was like, ooh. I was like, oh, dude, it was so, like, obviously at that point in the race, I'm in a superior car to the people around me with everybody kind of running out. So it was very easy to get far out. And when Honeyman was coming with that big run, I was like, oh, God. And I was in not the same position as Michael, but in probably the same thought process where I was like, I'm just going to block a wreck. Like, I don't care.

I don't care at this point. Because at the same point, like, I just want to get locked in, dude. That's all I want to do. And then obviously I saw him just start pulling out of line. And it made it very easy to just have him push me away with the bubble. and killed the run. So if he was six-mile an hour faster you when he was catching you,

he would probably have been eight miles an hour faster than you when he actually caught you. But he pulled out two car links before he got there. I was watching on TV and obviously I'm pulling for you and I told my stepdad Roy,

I was like, well, honeyman, just, he just wanted to race. Honeyman. I don't think he was going to get there. Here comes a big run. Are we talking the backstretch or the trial? Backstretch, I think. Okay.

That was two days ago. I don't remember. NASCAR does not call the caution until after a Tyler Reddick crosses the start finish line. Oh, I'm going to have to throw this to you, TJ. You just started with me last time. I'm going to get again. Sorry.

I'm spot off. I'm spot off because, you know, you go back and look at... You would have won. It's not only that. I thought you won. I thought you did too. We probably would have won, but it's still, you got a guy. It's bad.

Like, when you're staying there, it's rough. Like, the yellow doesn't come out. And Cory LaJoy is sliding down the front stretch on his door. Well, I mean, to me, the yellow should have came out when McDowell is hitting the wall head on in front of the field. Like, so I went back and looked. And I went back to the last race, Texas, where Brian Blaney gets punted up the racetrack, three seconds from the time of contact, three-ish roughly, within probably a quarter-second

of that. From the time he has contact to sliding up across, he's all the way to hard eight. He'd go all the way to there. We don't even race up there. sliding out of the way, three seconds. Justin Allgaier on Saturday gets turned down to the inside, sliding, hits the wall, caution should have came out that needed to get to him. It needed to come out. Three and a half seconds. In no man's land down there, off the racetrack. Go back to Daytona, Ross Chastain at the end of the 500 gets turned down to the bottom of the racetrack.

As soon as he gets onto the apron, it's roughly, it's about four seconds until the caution comes out, four to four and a half seconds. Quick. This was... That's a long time. That's pretty quick. I mean, to call... Four seconds?

Three to four seconds is pretty good. Imagine being late calling a block four seconds at Talladega. But, I mean, soon as you see the rack. Three seconds is pretty good. 1001, 1002, 1003, 100... That's pretty fast to call a wreck. I mean, if you're looking at... If Justin Aguard starts spinning, is he going to hit?

He's not going to hit. As soon as you see the contact, you're hitting, right? Yeah. So, Ryan Blaney, they had it. He wasn't, didn't even hit yet, and they threw it. Kyle Bush at Richmond, didn't even brush the wall. they're, you know, protecting. And here, I don't like it because these wrecks in the dog legs and the tracks with Daytona,

man, you don't know how they're going to be. And it just, I don't know, it's scary to send guys through wrecks like that. And I don't, you know, that's the part that, whether you're winning or not winning. I mean, that's just quick, need to be quicker on the trigger with that, in my opinion. But how many seconds was it just a weekend? It was a lot. I mean, it went all the way to the line. So I thought you won.

I thought it was a little. I thought honestly I thought the caution was come out when I saw Corey or Michael going up the track I'm like the caution is going to come out here we're going to be in front but you know it's and here's what we don't know and we talked about this in our NASCAR meeting the one we got in trouble at Indy we don't know who has the authority in those situations to throw the caution I mean I flat out said it is it the guy that's calling the race is it the race director is it an executive series director the series director the Yeah, like who has the authority to say, put it out? I don't know. It's a committee. Well, I mean, that's why it takes four seconds. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I think, you know, looking when Justice Spun, when it was about, I don't know if you can call it any quicker.

Because if he just saves it and he doesn't hit anything and he's down there in no man's land, then you threw a caution for basically nothing, you know. But you know he's hitting pretty soon after he's wrecked. Well, as usual. As far as pointing toward the wall. Well, as usual, he finds the, the car finds the only point of the track where it has a, and they do a really good job of protecting these places. But the one point that has a little bit of an angle to it, you know, there's got to be points like that where that has to come out just a little bit,

but of course, he catches the very end of it. We saw Justin Algar this past week at Pisces, having sushi me and my girls. And I sent them that clip of the wreck. And my girls, Keeley was like, oh, my gosh, did he die? Because that was a nasty wreck. Thankfully, he did not. He got right out. Yeah.

He immediately dropped his window net, but that was a scary one watch. Yeah, it was good to see him. I mean, there's been hundreds of wrecks these guys get out of, thankfully, and they do a really good job of. I mean, you can see the safer barrier there, and they do everything they can to keep these places as safe as they can. Now it's time of our favorite segment, Reaction Theater, where it's your turn to be heard. Reaction Theater is brought to you every week by Consumer Cellular. Consumer Cellular has fast, fast, reliable nationwide coverage as the leading carriers, but with plans as low as 20. $20 a month.

And for a limited time, new customers receive their second month free when they sign up and use promo code month free by May 31st. Let's go to the calls. I just want to say, I like the fact that Jesse Love and Tyler Air Reddick have won

the race at Haldaga. I think I'm going to go wax my girls back. Hell yeah, baby. I'm coming. You inspire people, Jesse. You inspire people to waxenck. We're going to what do he call Tyler?

Tyler. Tyler, Aeretic. Air redic, okay. Wax the backs. Don't use that as a pickup line. There's nobody ever waxing my back, just letting y'all know.

That's probably a good thing. I bet your back's Harry. I think of yours, Harry. Thomas Mines. There are three guarantees in life. Death, Texas, and Freddie and T. And Freddie and T.

All jokes aside, thank you both. for doing that because without you that race would have had no highlight fix the super speedway I don't know how you're going to do it but the fuel mileage racing is terrible. Amen.

Well we're three wide and TJ's happy. I'd rather have the strategy than Nate when he'd I mean yeah but the problem is it doesn't matter like it's just a means to an end to run to go back. Like I said though if we get to that package we're going to wreck there's going to be eight cars running in their race and everyone's going to be like why do they keep

wrecking it's because we're all over each other every single I'd rather have that. It was more fun. I don't know. I don't like that. Hey, this is Inelegant Life calling from Arizona. And I want to just say that motherfucking McDowell screws me every time. This week, he's f***ed himself.

He's fizzledgy. He's f***ed him. He's going to be fucking exhausted. And all of that f***ing. God, what is up with that? Shue. Did she beat herself? Did you beat that?

I beat it. I beat it. I don't know what she said. I just heard of continuing to be. She's like such a same lady. That's what me and TJ's arguments. That's what me and TJ's argument is going to sound like, bha,

bad, blah. I'm going to tell you, if you're getting an argument with a woman like that, you're in some deep. You're in trouble. Oh, I think we all probably have.

You ever listen back to the show? That's how you guys sound. That's how we sound. Yeah. Hey, I was trying to look at my phone to see the leaderboard, but there's just no Wi-Fi over here. So, I mean, do I just take a guess?

Save the pylon. We just need that one kid. We'll hire that one kid that's got the pylon. That's what I was going to say. We just need to design him. Because that thing's awesome. Yeah, bring him to the track. Yeah.

Holy cow. What do you think the over-under is on how many dude wipes did Alfredo need? When Austin Hill came across his nose, I'm giving you the line at three and a half. Holla. he actually I thought he did a really good job on Saturday he was up there in the mix for a while but yeah he did a good job both days they landed yeah he did a good job yesterday I don't even know where he finished yesterday um was it really it's somewhere up that's good uh wide open

syria end up serious that's all you got to do um but yeah he did a good job on Saturday I thought and do I love plate racing these days nothing goes together better than 50% commercials and 50% throttle 22 commercials you say here today That's what I was told, 22 commercials. At roughly two minutes of commercials. 45 minutes of commercials, 44 minutes. I can't do, man. I don't know if that's normal for three and a half hours of television.

That's a commercial every eight laps. That's pretty good. Boy. All right, this is our last one, I think. Man, tuned in to FS1 today for the commercials. It was awesome. Y'all see them commercials? Every once in a while I had this Xfinity race.

Some bullshit. God, but didn't see too much of it. No, but the commercials are fucking great. Can we not beep anything that guy said out? That guy was the first time calling. Was that you? No, that wasn't I mean. That's what my text messages look like, so I just thought maybe that was you.

That's what Clint's messages look like. Clint hates me. Clint used to love me. He hates me now. I got in the middle of a Brett Clint pisser match the other day, I was like, I got a bow out of this deal. Those were some great calls this week. We're excited to have Consumer Cellular as a partner of DBC.

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to dial each other up on the radio like they used to on Super Speedways? That's a bad idea. Man, that was fun though. It was fun. But I wasn't even around that day, but it was fun to listen to it. Yeah, I don't know. That, they would use it for reasons they're not supposed to use it for. That would be the problem. It would be constructive.

It would be now. Stop holding our lane up. Like if Bubba was yelling all day yesterday and people, I was like, all right, just calm down. So do you know what we're talking about, Jesse? Yeah, tandem days? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you literally would be running 200 miles an hour and you would just dial it over to

whoever you were tandem with and just talking to them, man. It was. Nowadays, you just get cussed. I would have gotten cussed out four times on Friday. At least. Probably by Austin. Did you see him hit Maya Snyder? Because I don't think you want to piss Austin off.

Dude. So I used to box with Austin. What? Which was like stupid. It was stupid. I was probably a bad idea. I was like 16. That's a bad idea. It was like part of our workout regime when I was at Toyota.

And he would just like basically put his hand on my forehead and just I would just swing at him. And then you'd get one punch. Like a little brother. It was ridiculous. I'll never fight Austin. Good playing. Yeah, that's probably a good idea.

There's a couple guys that have probably said the same thing now. After that, yeah, after that pit road incident, I don't think anybody's really going to fight off. It's awesome. Yeah. If you're going to fight Austin, you better sneak up. You better, like, Matt grafting him. You better, you better.

You better, you better. You better, you better. You better hide behind some tires or a pit bullse on way from to walk by and then run. Oh, this next one is from Jacob. What would removing stages at super speedways due to racing? Would fuel saving go away, or would it get worse? That's a good question. Well, you, why don't you answer it?

Oh, I don't. He gets to run wide open. If you just page stage points where they're running, how does it play out? The problem is, what I think a lot of people don't understand is the saving fuel is the only, going to be the only exciting part of the day. Because if we just run wide open, we can't go anywhere. You're going to be really disappointed in the racing. That's what I'm saying. Like, if you get rid of the fuel saving, you're not.

going to have the comers and goers. You're not going to have the Ross drove and Danny drove from the back to the front. That was their strategy. Get up there real quick and try to maintain. Well, I mean, there's like three or four different strategies going on at one time with that. You've got the guys in their front that are leading. They probably don't want to be leading, but they are, and you can't really get out of it. So you're trying to drag the field back. It's still evolving a little bit. I mean, it is evolving because now we were going faster that last run than what I think people wanted to go, too. So it is kind of changing a little bit. But, But, I mean, if you go and make a big change right now, we're just going to find a way.

The teams are just going to, they're going to find the way around it. They're going to figure out how to spend the least time on pit road like normal, because you can make up more time on the racetrack. You know, I mean, but not being on there very long. I wonder if the average fan, though, like, when me and Brett are watching the race, and we know they're not pushing, it looked really cool because they're three-wide, and there are comers and govers, and the racing is great, except the olivant is that.

we know they're not pushing hard. And I wonder if the average fan knows that too, if they're just like, oh, this is awesome? Is Clint, are they talking about that? They're talking about it. They're talking about it. I wish they didn't. There was a point yesterday where the leader was out front,

and I don't remember if it was McDowell or who it was. But Clint made the comment of, oh, this guy's doing a great job of managing the runs behind him to stay in the league. It was probably John Hunter. And they're running 173 miles an hour. And I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about? I probably text him. John, I do.

What are you talking? I'm telling you. John Irr thought he was 2004 Dales Jr. But he may as well do that because it did look cool on TV to Jesse's point. But I was literally sitting there going, what's he doing? I mean, I bet Blancher was out there like, man, like King Kong here. Look at me guys. When I got the big house last night, Megan's like, man, Ryan, I'm a good friend of mine. He did somebody that I helped kind of get along the way a little bit.

And Megan's like, he was doing such a great job when they were leading. I'm like, we were running half throttle. It was easy. But I mean, look, man, the. fans that are watching on TV think he's doing it. You know what I mean? But that's fine. Spotted at times a swerve left and right.

Coming to the checker flag. That's what John Hunter was doing until he ran over you, Freddie, and wrecked your whole Toyota line. James Small had the best comment on the plane last night. He's like, the one thing we didn't talk about in our meeting was, don't all wreck each other. He's like, we should have brought that up. Maybe that should have been a bullet point. Maybe just tell TJ's favorite driver that. is, uh, what was the other, what, what did you say last night, Blake?

What did that guy say, like, at the end of the coming to the checker that would, uh, Brad broke McDow's ankles? Yeah. Like a basketball move. They were literally, were two wrecks yesterday, though, where I felt like it was on the spotter. When the nine ran over, Justin Haley, that looked like it was on the spotter. That was, the driver had no idea they were checking up in the middle. Uh, and then obviously with John Hunter's deal, I felt like he didn't know the gaps out front,

which is on the spotter. And again, I haven't heard they're all. very young in their spotting careers. At the same time, absolutely. Like I didn't really, I had to go back and look at the chase one. I know he ran out in the back of Justin.

Oh, but at the same time, John Hunter, whether or not Blanchard was giving information by the gaps, and I went back, and he did say quarter tight, quickly in front of him,

you got to know, you can't, that's a spot you can't be pushing. You got to be off by that point. You know, that's a spot. Entry to three over that tunnel. That's a spot you really can't just be, you know,

wide open up a guy's, whether your spotter is doing his job or not. That's just something that you have to know. Corner entry and the middle of the dog or the trial over on the front. Or I will say if a guy's running the bottom and because you can, if you got two good guys and they're more than they're pretty talented, but pushing like that, you can, you can do it. But if you get your right size of that seam in the bottom lane, like it moves the car. It was, it's like a fine line for the Toyota package, the Toyota deal we were doing because like

to make up the time on the pack, you have to, you have to, you have. have to be as tight as you could possibly be. And we saw at Daytona when we ran, you know, three cars basically tandem and the rest of it were like tagging on, like we were much fat. I have a second faster than than anybody else in that practice. So obviously Daytona Taldaiga don't exactly relate to each other. But so now you're trying to be as tight as you can be, but it's just you got to know, like you can't be that aggressive. And it's just, you know, obviously it's unfortunate and we look dumb. But, you know, it was, he's, he's, It's just got, you got to know you can't push there.

Well, Eric Jones obviously had a bad wreck there. So thinking of him, hoping he's recovering, and we'll see him back at the track soon. Moving on to what an idiot. What an idiot. I'll let these guys go first. TJ, it seemed like you had one. I mean, Freddie, Freddy's right up there with the leaders now. I mean, thinking a guy lives on purpose to let someone else win.

Wide open. Like, wide open. Same thing that... So they just drove away from them on that point? I think the bottom lane knew how to build momentum when they needed to. So they just... The top lane, they just... Tyler and Martin just drove away.

They just got... They couldn't stay together. Like, they couldn't. No, my point is they drove away from the two forwards behind them. Like, what did they do differently? Like, it just spread out. Like, at the end of... Remember a couple years ago, the end of 500,

when we had Briscoe behind us and he just fell off of us? He never left it either. But it's just how the runs work out. I apologize. I forgot. you're the man. No, I'm just telling you they know what they're doing. And I

honestly, I want to give it to another guy that won, but this week... Jesse Love? No, Max won his first dirt late mall race, right? Yeah, he did a great job. But, and then Max completely forgot that he bought tickets to go see

what's his name? Tyler Childers. No, he was in Buffalo this week with Drew. Who's Drew up in four? Luke Combs. Luke Combs. Yeah. He bought tickets to Luke Combs concert and totally forgot that he had him and nobody ever got

to use him. Who did that? Max McLaughlin, yeah. Wow. That is pretty dumb. Yeah. And so he, I mean, they could have been cheap either, right? No.

I don't know. Not a chance. Unless Drew gave him to him. No, I don't think he knows Drew. Yeah. So, I mean, but that would, that would probably hurt a little bit. But he probably made the money back his against me. I should give Drew Parker Clint's number because Drew always does.

Drew, like, if you don't think I complained during the race. Drew Parker is... He's very opinionated on his NASCAR stuff. He's very... And he's got lots of ideas, too. I think we're trying to get him to come in here, but he's too busy for us. He's just too big and busy, yeah. Who you got?

Well, I had two people, but we've already talked about them. The person who said tearing down the scoreboards is, you know, a good idea. And the person who puts intervals, when we're... Literally, we look at the screen and we see how close everybody's racing. I don't need to know that the six... is 0.06 seconds behind the leader. I need to know how fast I run it. That's it.

That's it. That's it. Maybe. You want to call yourself an idiot today? I don't know. I'm not going to call anybody an idiot. I just thought it was, because I got wrecked by John Hunter at Daytona

in the same position. Tight, tight, tight. Here comes the push. And I was just like, okay, here we go. So I'm not going to call me idiot because he's a cup driver and I'm not. But I just thought that that was. Not ideal.

You made a comment earlier that you, You were, and I've heard other drivers say this too, you were committed to either staying in the lead or getting wrecked. Yeah. What, like as a normal human being, which you're not, but as a normal human, like, how do you do that? I mean, how do you mentally commit to at 190 miles an hour, I'm okay with getting wrecked? I don't know. I think that obviously how we're just racing how we're wired, right? But at this other point, like, I would, I'm willing to take that chance. It means I lock into the playoffs. As a driver, there's a ton of things that are off my chest now that I'm locked in the playoffs.

I was thinking about it more and more than the last few weeks. Because right now, I'm, you know, I'm third or fourth in points, but I'm probably not quite good enough to be third or fourth in points. Like, we've been kind of digging out these finishes. and I probably thought I was going to slide down to about 6th or 7th, and then you just kind of get in that point where people can win their way in and push you out. So I know I can be championship ready by the end of the year, but I got to have that opportunity first.

And there's just a lot of things are off my chest. I was willing to wreck if it means I have a shot to lock in the playoffs now and just go for wins the next few months until the playoff starts. and that's what I can do now is to go race loose and not care. But I also haven't wrecked the speedway, so I don't know how bad it hurts. So I don't care. I don't think about it. Don't try it.

It's not fun. Freddie, would you like to start your list? Sure. No, I only have one guy on my list. And it started on Tuesday. Oh, no. What'd you do? I didn't do anything.

Show's going to get shut now. This might be our last episode. I got to the bathroom. There's a guy that was out there in the podcast world this week that called us morons. Well, that's every week. That's not. I mean, I don't exactly disagree with him. But Dale Earnhardt Jr.

Welcome to the Wooden Idiot segment. Dale's great. Dale is, Dale, yeah. Oh, my God. Andrew's probably going to cut this right out of the show because he's a DJD employee now. But first of all, so Dale gets a lot of credit for this post that went out, a social post about how, you know, he's the old guard and he's, you know, he's drinking and he's, I don't know, it ended up on Pat Mac at the show. They cut it right before he said he would never hire that guy. like I think he went on to say like if there's a guy that you know if I found out a guy was at

Syed's on Tuesday and Wednesday he's probably less likely to get hired so like which one is it like it's kind of hypocritical to say like that was how you did it and you ran better that way but now you wouldn't you wouldn't do that for somebody else so I thought that was hypocritical but Dale was having a bad show because he went on the whole show to say like how Texas was doing well the track is getting ready to come in and you know the track's getting better and and then he said, we need more practice because Jimmy spun out and Jimmy needs more practice.

And then they bring Chase Elliott on. This was the best part. As the winner of the race and Chase goes, yeah, the track still sucks. We don't need any more practice. Dale actually was funny because we need about an hour and a half. And Chase has no idea what Dale said, I assume.

And Chase is like, well, we definitely don't need like an hour and a half of practice. I was dying, laughing. And then he went on to call us moron. So I thought that was fun of, you know, he spent his whole, whole show talking about how good the track was and and then Chase came on and kind of told them exactly. It seems somewhat better, right? I've only been there once, but Texas? It seems somewhat better than

what's saying to me. Yeah, I mean, well, he didn't understand, like, I guess he was giving us shit because I said the race was entertaining, but not a good race. It was entertaining, Dale, because we had 47 caution flags and restarts are entertaining. Once we got strung out, that was, that was the end of the entertaining part. To me, that was way worse of a race than what Talladega was. Oh, yeah. You know, it's just, I don't know. It was entertaining, though, because there's a lot of cautions. And if it would have said Green and Larson laps up to 15th or whatever,

it's probably not very entertaining. You had your hands full in the beginning of that race. Yeah, I was free. And he was just talking about manipulating people, right? Like, in the Xfinity car, I was loose to start Texas, and people were packing air, and it makes it tenfold worse. And then when you piss off your tires, they don't come back right away. So, yeah, that's part of the hardest thing, actually, about...

It's a lot of fun. The jump to the Xfinney series is not getting behind or getting ahead on the track. Yeah. Because if I was super free, then I was like, you know, screaming free. So we tightened it up. Then I was tight. And we couldn't get free back up for us today. You go to a place like Richmond, the track changes so much with rubber.

You go around the second lane, and I thought I was going to lap the whole field. And he burned her tires off and core your right sides. Yeah. You know, that's pretty impressive how people can manage. Like Eric Amarola, a perfect example, like managing the weekend, to where he's never like, I don't feel like lights out, like, damn, he's fast, but he's kind of just always ahead of the racetrack. Yeah. And then he's at the end really good. These drivers that have been doing about know the swings the racetrack goes through and what it's going to turn into as a race

and you get longer runs as it goes too. Here's the biggest thing they know that you don't know is they know where their car needs to be at the end of practice to make them be where they need to be when they start the race. And that's a big advantage to them. So who's helped you the most? most over our CR. Honestly, everybody. I mean, the obvious answer is Austin. He's been a phenomenal teammate. I know there's a, you know, that drama. Austin Hill, Austin Hill, not Austin Dillon. Austin Dillon, too, but I'm talking, you know, mainly on Hill. Even with his, you know, drama last year, I wasn't skeptical about it, but I was curious about how it was going to be. And he's been a phenomenal teammate to me. We talk every day, almost every day of the week. And,

I think that's 95% the reason why I've been pretty decent on the Speedway stuff is just kind of talking to him. I watched primarily him and then Denny Hamlin. Those are like my two guys that I watched in the Speedway world. And I try not to watch too many people because then I feel like you're getting, you know, 10 different golfer swings in your own head, right? So I tried just do two guys. But also like Danny Lawrence is over there. He runs kind of the Xfinney program and he's phenomenal.

And Mike Dillon, Andy Petrie. all the people that run the place give me a lot of advice and feedback not about the race car but outside of it and I appreciate that a lot and obviously me and stockman work I feel like perfectly together he's a lot a lot like me we wear emotions on our sleeves for sure which sometimes makes us bud heads but I feel like we worked together perfectly Danny's been around a long time yeah yeah a long long time I mean I know I'm sure Austin is helping you, but the reason why you run so good to play races is because you're riding on a rocket ship, by the way.

It is impressive. I was thinking if I were to qualify 10th or 12th, I'd probably have to ride the brake pedal. Yeah. You want to know how you know how good those cars are? When Austin is waving at the camera down the back straightaway and throwing up the peace

sign during qualifying because he knows he's going to ready to be by everybody by a half a second, that's how fast you cars. But I will say though, that's, we used to spend the guys used to build cars specifically for these tracks and they'd spend a lot of time on them and I've worked in the shop. I've been part of fast cars that have, man, you spend hours on these things and it's not, it was a work of art when you went to these places and ran that fast and sometimes, you know, you had a really good car and you were able to stay up front. Other times, you got wrecked,

but you could manipulate a lot more things by the work effort into the car and, I mean, fabricators could build some really good cars back in the day. part about RCR's XFINI stuff is how fast they are, but I feel like my car drive is the best in the field. Like I can do whatever I want. Another good trade. We give up nothing, like we gain all the speed. We give up nothing in the handling of the thing. I said to somebody on the way home from the Xfinity race, I said there's nothing more discouraging than it's obvious. The RCR cars are the best. Do those two cars, the 48, even the collie cars are good? Like, you know, the people that the alliance with RCR. But there's nothing more discouraging when they're the, they're the best.

the fastest cars. Oh, and by the way, they get the best fuel mileage. Like, everybody else is running against Jesse. You know what I mean? I mean, he did a good job saving, obviously, but everybody was saving this. So, like, a lot of times you see, like, guys that, like, this car's hauling ass. They got the best engine package, but they're giving it up somewhere else. They're getting bad fuel mileage to get that. These guys just haul ass and have the best fuel mileage. Well, it's very obvious that their commitment to speedway racing is very high. There are organizations in the Expendity series that win a lot of races that they don't have the commitment to it because they know the odds of you tearing those cars up are pretty high.

I was at Robillet Racing when they developed a super speedway year-round package, and they put two guys on it, and man, we were stupid fast every time we went somewhere. So those cars look fun to drive. That's for damn sure. Best thing is you get to put it cover in anything and take it back. You don't run Talladee again. Run Daytona. Run Daytona, too. Yeah. Maybe they do now. No, they do. No, they do. Yeah, they do. They didn't used to, but they do now. Used to be truck one, exceeding to the other, but not. It's both times, I believe.

You are obviously friends with a lot of up-and-coming drivers like yourself, such as a Connor, Zillich, Brett Cruz, a ton of others we can probably list. Who from, you know, that small group do you see really making their way up to the Cup series being that champion in the future? Yeah, I don't have, I don't have many friends, but I feel like the friends. It's okay, buddy, we'll be your friend. That I have, I'm really close to. Yep.

And, you know, Connor and Brenner, two very, you know, good friends of mine. And they both have a really good shot to make it. You know, I think that, like, Brent did a really good job when the cars tour race this weekend, and Conner's having a really phenomenal season himself. But they get compared a lot. Obviously, Connor's three years older than him, I think, or two years older than him. But they're both really good. I mean, Conner's probably the most talented race car driver that I've ever raced against.

and Brent, his racecraft is really smart. You know, he doesn't always think a lot outside the car, but when it comes to golf and racing, Brent is really intelligent and makes up a lot of good decisions doing that. So Conardust needs to work on executing, I think, a little bit, not, you know, doing a coat all over again, but he's so fast, and Brent's got a good head on his shoulders too. So they're both really good,

and I think our little friend group, we're all running really good. at what we're doing. And I think that we're kind of not motivating each other, but we're all running good, so we're all making each other run better. I have definitely, I've seen Brent run Milbridge,

and I question his intelligence at times. Have you seen Jesse run Milbridge? Well, I mean, he was like 13 or 14. The first time I seen him running, he's just out there ripping the boards, and I'm like, this kid, you can tell he has not crashed. Zero fear. So you three on the track,

dirt or asphalt, who went? I think I'm the least talented of the group. think I'm a lot. You can block them. I'm a lot smarter than they are, and I've, you know, a lot more perfected than they are. But, I mean, road racing, I, you know, cannot hold a candle to them, but everything else, I feel like, you know, I can just out-race craft them right now. But road racing, I mean, they are really, really good.

Connor showed how good. And Brent's as fast as Connor. Like, if they were both in the truck race, they both would have run that same way. Brent probably could have executed and done a better job there, but how fast they both are is ridiculous. And you're going to see Connor probably did the same thing at Watkins Glen in the Xfinity car, and I'm just trying to catch up to him at this point. But like Watkins Glen last year, he was almost a second faster in the arc car, and it was ridiculous. I don't know where you find a second, but they're both really fast,

and the more road racing they do, the oval stuff is different. saying they're going to be like that fast on an oval but the road racing stuff is ridiculous how fast they are speaking of walk is glint tj didn't they uh fix the chican for you uh oh yeah they mismayed they just removed just make it straight i mean they remove the curbs yeah on the entry we used to hit on the right's gone like entry to bust out the one on the right like you hugged that inside so we're going to play that game of you're too far right and your black flag yeah uh yeah i don't think i have it anymore it's bad it's it's It's flat.

It's flat. I mean, we didn't really, I mean, I think they did it because it was the, beating the drivers up a little bit because they're jumping over it and landing and it was kind of probably. I mean, the bus stop used to be a craft too. Like, you went through there and you had to be good at how you, like, precise. Yeah. I guess it's just straight.

Send it. Well, it's straight. Basically. Let's chat DBC picks. Thank you, T.J. For getting me my win with Kislauski. finishing second. We're moving on to Dover this weekend, and Brett, you get to go first. I do. Well, I was sitting over here pondering. You're going to go Ty Gibbs.

Do I want to go Ty Gibbs, or do I want to go Chase Elliott, or do I want to go Alex Bowman? Because those are the three drivers I have left under the HMS and Toyota banner that just so happened to be pretty fast. So which one would you pick? I've raced against Ty at Dover, and he's really good. I think Ty is going to be hard to beat. Ty Gibbs. Don't forget this. This is a cup series. Ty Gibbs gets his first win ever this weekend and Kyle Larson finished his second.

I see that all three of y'all have Kyle Larson left. And Kyle Larson, to me, is the second best driver to ever drive it over behind Jimmy Johnson. Tony Stewart, a very close third. So which one of y'all are picking Larson? Who's next? Freddie? Hap asleep over there. Yeah, sneak up on you?

Yeah, I'm just trying to think. You over there lifting? Richie, I'm lifting. Backing up. I don't know who that is. Let's take Kyle Larson. I don't know what took so long right there. What were you pondering?

I'll go with that Martin Truex. That's what I wanted to pick, and I realized I picked him again. I probably didn't want double pick for the second time this year. Did you get a text yet? Who got left, Casey? I would go Christopher Bell. As long as I didn't pick him yet. Well, we knew at some point this year that was going to happen.

I know. Right. Anyways, as we head to Dover, what can we expect? as we watch on TV or at the track. Tight behind somebody. Yeah, no, no. You can't have... Exfini race will be good.

Is there Xfinity race this week? Yes. Oh, yeah. Xfinity race will be good. Arca is Friday. Xfinity Saturday. Arka, East or something. Yeah.

That'd be fun. You don't think Reddit can go back to back here? That'd be good. Very easily good. They could, yeah. I was looking at stats. Trey Ryan 99. Twitter sent us in track house.

I'm sorry, 2311 was the fifth fastest team the modern air to win six races. Took them 118 races. Behind Stuart Haas, Hendrik Penske, Trackhouse. And Stuart Haas and Trackhouse were already in business. 2311 started ground up. And I say that as like Stuart Haas, Haas racing was already in business.

Chip Ganassi racing was already in business when Trackhouse bought it. I almost feel like that's not always a positive, though, because not always, because Denny, when Denny started 2311, he had phenomenal backing. partner and the information that was carried over there was already from fast cars. So it's not like he just started from scratch with a brand new team and, you know, with a bad car. Like Denny already knew how to make cars go fast, knew what they were doing. There's a obvious connection with JGRR right there. But you still got to put all the pieces together and it's, you know, good for them to, you know.

I think winning six races out fast is a good thing. I don't know how he says bad. It's not bad. It's not bad at all. It's just I don't think it was as Hard for him You know it had been probably harder if he left there and went and started himself Because I don't know if they're they'll probably look at him as more of a competitor at that point You know obviously they they would have but him being associated with JGR and the ties with that They have fast cars Denny's no idiot either. It's probably all on purpose

He's great I don't know if you've heard yeah MJ made a funny comment in his interview after the race about Denny wrecking It's like kind of helped him win or something So we were, so we, like, we had this plan all pit together, you know, and if there's, and like, you needed, you needed certain numbers of, certain number of cars to make it work. And we were given Denny because we're like, if we, if we do this, like, you can't speed, you can't mess. Ty, we're giving, basically Denny and Tyler, like, Tyler has a habit of both of them that

don't do the same. So, so, so, our pre-race meeting, you know, we're, like, giving them stuff about it. And he's like, hey, you know, listen, I'll be fine. And the first pit stop, he spins out. second one I don't know what happened they came off way behind us lost the draft again like I was like hopefully when it comes time to do this he drove by his pit box oh yeah he was his first time pitting ever ever should that be an honorary wouldn't it is that actually should be how do you drive there's it's not even full I'm talking about some mouse oh I was talking about so uh did you see the race yes during the race is this during the race this happened uh yeah callig racing tweeted out cautions out all the toyotas just wrecked themselves with this laughing emoji. Jokes on you who won the race. Just saying.

Yeah, they didn't age very well. It was aging very badly until the last 300 yards. Well, if you'll be at Dover or thinking about heading to Dover, you can catch myself, TJ, and Freddie

at the trackside access stage on Sunday before the cup race at 11 a.m. We might have a few special guests coming by. Yes, Freddy. So make sure you stop drinking with adequate time in between. Eight hours, right, Brett?

At least eight hours. I was, no, yeah, I'll be in a bar like, and if you haven't got your tickets yet or still thinking about going to Dover, this is obviously your reason to stop by. And the weather. You don't want to miss it. Looks actually good.

Really? Yeah. Dover's such a cool racetrat. It is. Like if you watch them go off into one and go off into three, like it looks like a roller. coaster almost. Yeah.

You look like you get, you know when you're going on the road and you kind of go up and down the wind? Tickle heels? Yeah. Yeah. You get a little. Oh, gosh. Yeah.

That's what it feels like in the corner. It's terrible. Makes you do funny feel. Like, what? Wow. I've never had that happen. Guys, we're trying to get people to go to our period. This is, this is going to get them to go.

Yeah. So weather looks good in Dover for Sunday, especially. It's supposed to be high, mid high 70, sunny. That's perfect. That's subject to change because it is Dover. and it normally rains and makes... I'm going to a wedding in Georgetown, South Carolina, this weekend. My nephew Troy's getting married.

Troy's getting married? Yeah. Troy. So I'll keep this short, but long story short, I have a bourbon tasting at my house. And we tasted 14 bourbons. And then we obviously proceeded to keep having fun. And Freddie, typical Freddie, goes, man, I want to go to Saeeds. And I'm like, I'm out.

That's not how this happened. Troy said he had never been. And I said, okay, we got to take him. So nonetheless, I look at Freddie. What did I tell you before you love my house? Don't do it. I said, do not do it. If you do, if you take him to this bar, what's going to happen?

Get into a fight. Guess what happened? Got no fight. I can't take a griff into a bar like that at one in the morning when he's been drinking all day. He's one of them guys. I don't know how we started talking about Saeeds, but don't forget. Every week. Dover Motor Speedway, 11 a.m. on the 28th, you need to get your trackside access pass

to be able to attend the appearance. So don't forget. We'll share the link. Be sure and go and go play craps on Friday evening. There'll be some drivers in there. You know what was really cool? The one time the guy from Grotto or Grotto, whatever you want to call it.

Grotto. Sent us up some vouchers for Pete. Remember they? They gave us some little free pizza dance. I wasn't there for that. Yeah. Yeah, leave it. I promise you at some point,

Tad Boyd will come to the roof with an entire sheet of pizza and be giving them on. The best Grotto story ever is Lambert. Did you ever hear the story of Lambert? Oh, no. I think I have. So Lambert. It's good.

They basically, they had a deal. Lambert walks up, gets a slice of pizza and a Coke. And I forget what they said the deal was, but I forget the price has worked out. But literally, they're like, you're like, you're sure you don't want, we got a deal two slices and a coat for $10. And there was no deal. Like, it was the same price if you just bought three, you know, two slices. And Lambert's like, yeah, I'll do that.

I'm like, you just spent an extra $3. Like, it was like $3 for a slice. It's like $3 a slice and $4 for a soda. Like, you sure you don't want a $10, $10 for two slices? I was like, you idiot. We could all take selfies with a piece of pizza, for some free vouchers or something. Deal.

Thank you, Jesse, for stopping by. Congrats on your win. We'll see you all at the trackside access stage on Sunday. Stay tuned for another great weekend of racing. I also just want to say, Trackhouse fan club wants to personally thank, he wants to personally thank Brett for unblocking him on the show last week, and he says that I think we're best friends now.

unblock somebody. I do. Oh, yeah, you said you were going to do one. Well, it'll take too long, because I don't know how to get back to that screen. I don't know if you noticed, but I, you probably only saw four replies. I had 250 replies to that. Are you blocked by bread? He didn't have many. Um, oh, and if you're Lala Moore, thank you for sending me the Reese's pretzels. I don't know who stole them, but I. Reesies? Yes, apparently we have a package of, of food. Reeses? I think, I thought it was Reesees. Reces. Yeah. Thank you for sending me. them. It's Reese cups. It's not Reese's cups. Reese's peanut butter cup.

Anyways, thank you. I'll be eating them all day. Have a great week. Yep. See you after Dover. We all.